Connor Price: Owning His Music, Finding His Faith

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Because we connected what like two months ago.
Yeah, In that time.
We've written a song, we'vereleased a song, made a bunch of
content.
I performed at an arena for thefirst time last night, popping
out with you guys.
It was crazy, man.
I've never been in a space likethat Like my experience
performing has been at the most,2,500 people, me and a DJ on

(00:20):
stage, let alone like having afull band.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
And basically making a decision to say, hey, we're
going to stay independent.
What fosters that?
Outside of the percentage, isthere some pride you take in?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
it.
No, I'm really big oncollaborating organically with
people.
I don't want to just be put ina room with someone because some
A&R felt like, oh, he mightwork well with him.
I did the Spin the Globe series, where I would spin a globe,
land on a country, find anindependent up-and-coming artist
from that country and we'dcollaborate together.
So cool.
And when we did the song he hadless than 1,000 monthly
listeners and at the peak of thesong he had 2 million.
But I was just being neutral.

(00:52):
I was like I don't want to beneutral, I want to know where
I'm at and where I stand.
And I literally just bought aBible on Amazon and opened it
and I didn't tell her I had.
And she's like did you buy aBible?
What's going on?
I was like I was likeeverything's good, I'm just
figuring stuff out.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Let me let me just read this.
This is what I love about themoment that we got to do with I
Need Help.
Was you're on a journey andeveryone's on a journey at some

(01:30):
point?
Right, what's up, everybody,and welcome to another episode
of Mavericks on the Mic.
I'm JJ, I'm Norman.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm Norman, and today we have a very special guest,
the one and only.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Connor Price what's up you guys?
How you doing?
What up man?
Thanks for having me.
This is cool.
I love that we're dressed allblack too.
We got the memo Like an omen.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
It's a Jay-Z rap line .
For those of you who don't know.
You know I don't listen to alot of jay-z now, but I used to,
actually maybe sometime.
I love jay-z, I like him too.
What up, what we?
What is?
What are we doing here havingthis conversation with conor
branks?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
hey, man, this is, this is cool.
I feel like it's it's so muchhas happened in the last uh,
because we connected what liketwo months ago.
Yeah, in that time we've we'vewritten a song, we've released
the song, made a bunch ofcontent.
I performed at an arena for thefirst time last night, popping
out with you guys, uh, and nowwe're doing a podcast.
How did that feel?
It was crazy, man, I've neverbeen in a space like that.

(02:44):
Like my experience performinghas been at the most, 2500
people, me and a dj on stage,let alone like having a full
band.
That was really cool becauseI'm used to in the in-ears
hearing just like the mp3 of thesong, so to hear, you know,
almost a different rendition ofit.
Like it's different when yougot live bass and live drums, it
hits different.
You feel it behind you.
Um, it gives it a completelyand people who are there

(03:06):
watching it and experiencing thesong almost get to experience
it in a new way because they'rehearing it differently and it
made me perform it differently.
It was, it was cool.
I didn't expect that.
Um, yeah, it wasn't asintimidating as I thought
because, luckily, the way youguys lit that song was like
spotlight so I couldn't reallysee the crowd, which is probably
a good thing, because that's alot of people.
Man, I was trying to like lookout at people.

(03:26):
I just saw like a sea of black,which was probably a good thing
, cause it may have freaked meout.
But yeah, it was a really coolmoment.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Do you get nervous before?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
you perform Always, but even prior to music.
I've done acting for a reallylong time and I always get
nervous before auditions.
But I think that anxiety I justsort of try to channel into
excitement.
Like you know, you can eithermake it hinder you or you can
use it to your advantage.
So I always.
I think it's a good thingbecause it just means you care,
and so I try to just use thatanxiety and energy into the

(03:55):
performance.
But yeah, I always get nervous.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
We're going to talk a little bit about.
I Need Help, obviously, and thesong and the moment, but I'd
love to talk about where you'refrom, how you got started.
I mean, you kind of, in a lotof people's eyes, are like the
stalwart of indie music andreleasing songs successfully
with not having a label teambehind you, and so I'd love to

(04:20):
start there, like how you gotstarted in music, how you got
started in acting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, cool.
I grew up in Markham, ontario,which is a suburb like 30
minutes northeast of Toronto inCanada.
So I grew up in Canada Mom'sAmerican, dad's Canadian when I
was six years old I'm one offive kids, I'm the middle of
five when I was six years old,my mom met this woman who
started Twins Talent Agency inToronto, and my younger brothers

(04:45):
are twins, and so sheencouraged my mom to maybe get
them into acting.
And twins work a lot as actors,especially as kids with the
whole.
You know Dylan's Cole, sprouse,mary-kate and Ashley and the
reason for that is there's ruleson how long kid actors can work
, but when they're identicalthey can play the same character
and you get a full day out ofusing both of them.
So producers love hiringidentical twins for child actor

(05:11):
roles and so t and tamara.
There you go.
Yeah, another great example Ithink they're fraternal.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
They were never playing the same character.
I don't think that they'reidentical twins.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Actually, you might be right I don't, I can't
remember somebody in here knows,are they okay?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
actually are also fraternal.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, sorry, yeah, but I do know they were playing
the same character on Full House.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, for sure, I'm just making up.
It's unnecessary.
What do they call them Me?
I'm very explicit or specific,specific On facts.
That's it.
That's it Interesting nugget.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
You're just the fact checker on the side here, I
guess you know, and yourspecialty is twins.
Wait, are they?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
fraternal.
I'm pretty sure they are.
Both are.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they both are.
Well, my little brothers areidentical Eight minutes apart
and especially when they wereyoung, they looked identical and
so, yeah, so they startedacting, doing commercials, got
into TV and film.
I saw that they were having alot of fun going to these
auditions.
I was like, let me try this.
And so when I was six years old, they were four, I was six,
we're two years apart.
I started doing commercialswhen I was 10, I did a movie

(06:17):
called Cinderella man, which wasa boxing film directed by Ron
Howard.
I played the son of RussellCrowe in that film.
That was the first time I was apart of like a big production
and went to LA for the premiere,signed with an agent out there
and then started, just yeah,doing TV and film throughout my
childhood and high school andstill went to public school and
never homeschooled or anythinglike that Split my time between

(06:37):
Toronto and LA.
And, yeah, acting was my life.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
You were recently on like Chicago Med right.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, I did a bunch of guest stars, chicago Med.
I got an episode of Trackercoming out in a few weeks, wow,
yeah, yeah, a few things.
I'm still trying to keep myfoot in that door.
Music has really taken over.
But yeah, the acting thing myheroes are the Idris Elba like
Donald Glover, these guys thatare multifaceted in music and
acting and directing andstand-up Not that I do standup,
but just people who are doing abunch of stuff, and so that's.

(07:06):
That's my kind of dream career.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I remember giving an update to somebody, like they
were asking where the mix waslike, for I need help or
whatever, and I was like, yeah,you know, connor's on set right
now.
So it'll be, it'll be a fewdays.
Even then, I'm still trying toyou know I like multitasking.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
My wife will tell me I'm awful at multitasking which
I am but I like having a lot todo and I like being able to
explore different mediums, evenwith like my content, I still
edit my content.
Like I like knowing howeverything works and when I have
the opportunity to get good atsomething or learn something, I
like just narrow in and I wantto get really good at it.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
How is that you mentioned your wife?
She manages you correct.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
She does, yeah, yeah, I mean, we've known each other
forever.
So, even going back to theacting stuff, so when I first
started acting as a kid, thefirst time I went to LA, I was
10 years old and Brianna, herlittle sister, chloe, was a
child actor as well, and so ourfamilies, they're from Chicago,
we're from Toronto.
We both went to LA at the sametime, on the same year, and
stayed in the same apartmentcomplex and that's how we met.

(08:08):
We were just these kids runningaround this apartment complex
playing volleyball, yeah, oneyear apart, and we like stayed
in touch after that trip andevery time we were in LA we'd
like reconnect.
And yeah, long story short,yeah, we've been married for
almost eight years now.
We have a two and a half yearold one on the way in December.
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
So, yeah, we've known eachother forever.
So she's known me through allthe acting stuff.

(08:30):
And then the transition to musichappened around COVID, when all
the acting stuff shut down andmusic was something I always had
a passion for and at that pointI had like put a few freestyles
on YouTube, like it wassomething people sort of knew I
liked doing, but I was neverpursuing it seriously.
And then, yeah, when COVIDhappened and there was no
auditions and acting completelyshut down, brianna was the one
who encouraged me to be like,hey, maybe we should like try

(08:51):
going all in on this music thing.
Like this is something youclearly have a passion for.
People do respond well to it.
Let's give it a shot.
And that was also luckilyaround the time when, like
TikTok and music discovery onTikTok was huge and I on TikTok
was huge and I love makingcontent.
And so just the combination ofthat timing and how we presented
the music with like skits andstuff like that, it just like
worked like immediately and italmost which was crazy because
acting has been such a like agrind for me to get from here to

(09:14):
here and music felt likeovernight with COVID and TikTok
and putting out a bunch of songsfollowing the Russ method of
just like constant releases, andit just really kind of took off
and yeah, and then she at thetime was working as a uh, she
was the um creative director ata pet company and she was
managing that and then alsohelping me with my stuff and my

(09:34):
stuff just became so much thatshe ended up quitting her job
and full-time.
We're just doing the music stufftogether and to this day still
doing that, and we've met withevery label and at the end of
every call we just look at, lookat each other, like we can do
this by ourselves and not giveup.
However much percentage likelet's, let's just keep grinding
this independent thing and Iwill say y'all are an amazing
team together.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Thank you, you know what I mean.
There's it was I told Iremember telling brianna this
like it was kind of a convictionto me, like because I was, I
was looking at the way y'allwork together and do life, do
business.
I was like, man, y'all areamazing, like as a couple,
obviously, but also like in thelike you understand what you
guys are doing.
She does the marketing, you dothe content.
Like it's just like the musicand it's just it's a perfect

(10:14):
marriage.
And pun intended for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I appreciate that and it's also been like the hardest
part of our marriage, likeworking together and you get to
situations where you'redisagreeing on certain like.
It's definitely tested us.
So it's made the best momentsin our relationship and the
worst, but even the worst isgreat because we get to work
through so much andcommunication is so important.
Yeah, communication has beenhuge and that's really taught

(10:36):
that to us with working togetherand it's helped our
relationship in so many ways.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
There's a lot of articles that have come out
recently about just the changein music, right, and how
distribution or distributiondeals are now all the rage,
right, everyone has adistribution.
People have gone from artistdeals to now primarily doing
distro deals.
I think they mentioned I thinkthe group is called NYLA or
maybe it's pronounceddifferently.
Oh, laney, it's called Laney.

(11:01):
Yeah, you're right, l-a-e-y.
Sorry, I got it Turned aroundLaney Specific, but what they
were talking about was how Laneywas signed to.
I can't remember what labelthey were signed to, but
recently there was a bidding warfor their distribution deal and
you being independent, how isthat?
You know, how do you look atthose conversations?

(11:25):
Because I'm sure it's going tobe a lot of independent artists
catch this and you and Briannaare basically making a decision
to say, hey, we're going to stayindependent.
What fosters that outside ofthe percentage?
Is there some pride you take init?
Is there something you noticein those meetings that just
doesn't?
Even if they were able to dothis, it's not worth giving up

(11:47):
our independence.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, I mean there's every time we have those calls
like the main thing I want to dois be like ask, like what, what
can you guys do that you don'tthink we could do on our own?
And a lot of that might bestuff like uh, oh, we'll, we'll
connect you with these producersand these big artists and I'm
like I don't really I don't, Idon't know I'm.
I'm really big on collaboratingorganically with people.
I don't want to just be put ina room with someone because
someone, some A&R felt like oh,he might work well with him and
I've got my producers I workwell with.

(12:12):
The business is set up right,we don't have to deal with the
headaches of not working withsomeone new and because there's
a label involved, there's justbecomes all these other
logistics.
That makes it not fun.
And like my favorite collab sofar and my biggest collabs have
been with smaller artists likelike, um, I did the spin the
globe series where I would spina globe, land on a country, find
an independent, up-and-comingartist from that country and

(12:32):
we'd collaborate together.
So cool, yeah, and these wouldbe guys like man.
The second no, the first one Idid uh was with this artist
named killa from zambia and whenwe did the song he had less
than a thousand monthlylisteners and at the peak of the
song he had 2 million and thatsong went nuts because of the
content and people wanted tosupport the underdog and I was
like that's me, that's my brand.

(12:53):
I don't need to be the guywho's trying to be the next
Drake or the next Jack Harlow.
I don't see that for myself.
I don't even want that formyself.
I want to be the champion forindependent artists that's
giving a spotlight tounderappreciated artists, that
living in countries that you maynever have heard of.
Like that's where I'm happiest.
I don't need to be in the roomwith these big producers and
these big artists.
So that happens when theyorganically great.
But I don't want that to bebecause some label guy is like,

(13:14):
hey, let's get these guys in thestudio, like I want to organ,
not having anybody be able totell us like, hey, this has to
happen.
Or oh, you've got this writersession with so and so and yeah,
and then also, just, you know,control on the percentage side
of things and ownership isreally important to us and yeah,

(13:36):
distro deals especially, I'venever understood because I'm
like man giving up a percentageof the song for someone really
just to like hit upload.
I'm like I got DistroKid, likethat's what I've been using and
they they've been great.
And you know people are like,oh yeah, you won't get playlists
.
I'm like I have done songs withother artists and use their
distribution and they've got thebig distribution and we get a
few playlists.
And then I do DistroKid.

(13:57):
I upload it five days beforethe song comes out, where
they're like it's impossible,you'll never get a playlist and
I get massive playlists.
I get new music Friday.
It's like people don't realizehow that it's possible to do it
on your own, the independent way.
You just need to have the fanbase there and doing that is
just releasing, consistently,engaging with your fan base and
it's there.
Yeah, I think there's a lot ofkind of misinformation out there

(14:20):
as far as, like, the paths youhave to take to get certain
things, but but at the end ofthe day, everyone can be told no
, labels can be told no fromplaylist curators, and so I've
always just found I feel most atpeace and the records of mine
that have done the best andperformed the best aren't
because of someone huge beinginvolved or a big distributor
being involved or a big labelbeing involved.
It's all just because of theorganic nature of how the song

(14:41):
came up, whether it was throughcontent, through a cool
collaboration.
So, yeah, those have alwaysdone the best and make us feel
the best, so we focused on thosethings.
Yeah, I hope that made sense.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Y'all are like really tapped into to the social side
of things.
Yeah, for sure, I know that'ssomething that's like kind of
the heartbeat of a lot of thingsthat we do on the Maverick City
side.
It'd be great for you to talkthrough like the content right,
the intentionality around theskits, the engagement.
I know that's, I know for youwhen we were rolling on.
I need help.
I know that was like where yourmind was going.

(15:11):
We were having playlistconversations and like where it
would land, but you werethinking about content and
marketing and social.
Maybe talk about that a littlebit.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, I mean that was the foundation for me when I
was talking about how duringCOVID there's just this huge
like like TikTok hasn't reallyfelt the same since, but there
was like a moment where peoplejust were hungry to discover new
music on TikTok and if you weredoing something new and
interesting to promote yourmusic it would catch on.
And for me, skits did reallywell and I think a reason for
that was primarily because of mybackground with acting and so

(15:43):
like getting to play me and thenthe producer and the weird
brother, like just introducingall these characters, was just
fun for me to do.
I liked filming it and I wouldfilm them all myself.
I would film front facingiPhone, I'd set up the shot, hit
record, run to my desk, say theline a few times, dress up as a
new character, I just film itall, edit it myself and I
enjoyed that process a lot andput it out there and, yeah,

(16:03):
people really seemed to respondto that was sort of like
creating a story around the songand then leading into it
because people don't like beingsold to, they don't want to.
If you, if you start your videowith hey, check out my new song,
it's like, not like.
But if you find an engaging wayto hook them which I would do
with these skits and kind of setit up, and then all of a sudden
the song is playing and you'relike already halfway through the
video, so you're like, allright, let me hear the song, and

(16:23):
then the song is good enoughand it catches them, then
they're like I'm sharing this,I'm liking this, I'm gonna go
find him on spotify, and so itcreates like a fan, because they
see you're putting effort inand you're really trying to uh,
give value by entertaining, notjust being like, hey, listen to
my song.
And so I always view content aslike how can I, how can I bring
value?
And usually that's through theform of entertainment.
So it could be a skit, it couldbe an interesting transition

(16:45):
video, it could be a day in thelife, whatever that might be.
And I found that that justconverts really well to not only
making people a fan of the songbut a fan of me or a fan of Mav
and what we're doing and thestory behind the song.
And so, yeah, content I havefelt is just like converted so
well to getting new fans, havingcurrent fans be excited about
what I'm working on because theysee a new skit and they like my

(17:06):
skits and it's like, oh, what'sthis skit about?
No-transcript my songs, with ahuge emphasis on like, yeah,
like I'll finish a song andbrianna and I will sit and talk
about like interesting content,ideas and what's.
What's an interesting way topromote this and, um, yeah, so
that's sort of the world that welook at, because that's what's

(17:27):
worked so well for us.
And I find, even like on theplaylisting side, obviously
there's like a few playliststhat you get on and it's like it
does crazy stuff for you, but Ifound, for the most part, a lot
of playlists are just passivelistening.
It's like people in the car orit's on at the gym and so it
technically gets a stream, butit's a passive listen and that's
not somebody who is likelygoing to be like oh, who's this

(17:47):
guy, it's just sort of on.
And so I would much rather,yeah, focus on the people we can
make core fans who are not onlygoing to listen to this one,
but click, follow and then nowbe aware of the next release,
you know.
So I really kind of focus onengaging with that.
I respond to as many commentsas I can?
I'm big on that some days, likeif I'm on an airplane and I have
wi-fi on the plane, I'll gothrough my dms and I'll just

(18:09):
click random ones and leavevoice notes, just just to make
it personal.
Be like yo and I'll see.
I'll go to their page.
See, their name is taylor, so Ican be like yo, tay Taylor.
What's up?
Appreciate the love.
Thanks for listening.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
That goes a long way.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, and so I spent a lot of time on just creating
that community.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
You talked about something that's really.
It's really I wouldn't call ittechnical, but it's really like
intuitive and that's thedifference between a passive and
active listener and theimportance of that right, and so
we call it.
Sometimes executives lean backversus lean forward.
Oh cool, which is essentially aprogrammed listener means that

(18:47):
someone is on a playlist.
It's basically like turning onthe radio right, you can't
control what comes on.
Next Song comes on.
You're listening to whatsomeone has programmed you to
listen to, versus you going totheir profile, clicking their
profile or searching for thesong specifically to listen to,
which is active.
That's lean forward.
Lean back means someone'spresenting them music.

(19:08):
Lean forward means they'regoing to search and hunt music.
And the difference between thosetwo is really important,
especially for independentartists, because when you're
talking about getting on thoseplaylists, when you're talking
about having an audience readyto receive your music, those
lean forward listeners are theones that are going to search it
out.

(19:28):
And so how have you seen youraudience grow and how have you
been able to grow an artist?
You talked about some of thesocial media ways, but from is
it style of music?
Do you believe it's through thecollaboration, like what's been
your modus operandi?
Shall I say?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, I think it's been a multitude of things.
I definitely think that Spinthe Globe series was like my
first huge, like really viralmoment that got a lot of people
paying attention.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
What an amazing well, back up for a second Sure.
Explain what an amazing.
Well, back up for a second.
Explain.
Spin the Gophers.
It's amazing, Sure, and it wasBrianna's idea.
I'm giving her full credit.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, so I'll give you the story of how it all came
together, because it was kindof like a fluke.
So I at one point was asked towork on a song for Fast and the
Furious.
It was like Fast 10.
It was one of the I don of thefast and the furious and I was
working on the song which, whicheventually would be violet,
which is the first episode.
It's been the glow, but anyway,so I'm working on the song.

(20:24):
It gets to a point where they'relike uh, we're gonna go with
another song.
So now I have this like halfdone song that I really liked.
And and then brianna was likehey, do you remember when you
like, connected with that oneartist killer from zambia?
I feel like he'd sound great onthis.
And he was this guy who, like,reached out over Instagram early
back and we connected.
I thought he was reallytalented.
She's like, I think he'd soundgood on this.
So I sent it to him.
He did a verse, crushed it.

(20:45):
And then now we did our meetingwhere we're like how do we
promote this?
And she's like all right, whatare the interesting elements of
the like?
What, if you like, spin a globeand you land on Zambia and then
you say you're going to find anartist, and I was like, yeah,
so she basically just likeexpress the idea of spin the
globe, and I was like that'samazing.

(21:06):
And so I filmed that.
So the the the first one sorryto to to break the illusion, but
like the first episode was,like you know, we like forced
the pick on Zambia to make thesong happen and it was sort of a
throwaway piece of content.
We didn't expect anything,because everything up to that
point was that perform well withskits, and so this was
something brand new that we hadnever seen and never tried or

(21:26):
experimented with.
And so we just put it out thereand it like immediately was one
of those ones where, like bythe end of the night was at a
million views, woke up the nextmorning, 7 million views, were
like this is going nuts, and itended up at this point like 70
million on Tik TOK, 70 millionon YouTube shorts, like just
perform well everywhere.
But it was immediately likespin the globe episode two

(21:48):
When's it happening?
Like people were just demandingsomething next, and so what
that did, which was really cool,was we sort of created a series
and that really caught peopleto follow on, because they
wanted to hit follow to see whatthe next episode was.
What country is he going to landon next?
What are they going to looklike, what are they going to
sound like, what language arethey going to be rapping in?
And so it created this like fanbase of people who wanted to
see who I was going tocollaborate with.
Collaborate with next peoplefrom that country, from Zambia,

(22:10):
getting a moment to have thisviral moment, you know, to have
one of their artists spotlightedwas was crazy.
And so now, like this Zambiafan base is coming, and now
people from Germany, like yo,land on Germany next, and
Austria, like yo, land on ourcountry next.
And so all these like globallisteners who all like love hip
hop.
And the amazing thing about hiphop is it's so universal, like
good flow is universal.

(22:31):
You don't have to understandthat the language to be like
this guy goes crazy or this girlgoes crazy, and so, uh, it was
like the perfect marriage ofthat genre and collaborate,
collaborating internationally um, that people would just like
really got caught onto.
And so, yeah, they they werelike we're like we want an
episode two, and we just likewe're like, all right, well,
let's do it again.
Let's now spin the globe landsomewhere.

(22:51):
And then the next one was theNetherlands.
We found this guy named Ben'sand then we did spin in, which
to this day went on to be mybiggest song.
Just found out recently it's uhgold in the in the us, my first
plaques.
That's kind of cool yeah thankyou, thank you, um, and that's
with yeah, this guy, this 19year old artist from the
netherlands who was like, yeah,at the time, I think, 30 000
monthly listeners and now over 2million just off the song, so

(23:12):
that's just awesome.
And then the first time I everperformed was in europe, and I
performed in amsterdam and thenwe got to perform the song
together.
It was the first time we evermet.
So now we're performing thatsong in his hometown.
It was just like it's, it's ledto so many cool moments and I
think people just really like,uh, yeah, an artist having the
opportunity to put on for, andyou even say that now, like the,
the globalness of music, now,whether it's like Spanish music

(23:34):
and with k-pop, like it's somuch more, I feel like um, not
accepted, it's always beenaccepted, but people are hungry
for it, and it's like accessible.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, the the internet democratized music,
right socials and the internetlike it kind of makes it sure.
It's like it's what you weretalking about earlier, about the
whole label thing.
It's like and I could just dm aproducer that I wanted to work
with rather than like signing adeal, a deal with a label, by
the way, we might have to borrowthe Spin the Globe.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
It's kind of an amazing idea A lot of people
have and a lot of artists,unfortunately, have stolen the
idea and not credited me Wordfor word, copying my script and
my shots.
It's been brutal.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
I've had some, some conversations yeah, even
trademark it as you.
You originated it.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, we should market, yeah but we'll, if we,
if we do borrow the idea, we'lldefinitely give you credit.
Some people have no punintended.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
some people have put their own spin on it, which is
cool, um.
But but people who are justlike literally copying my shots
and the way that I edit it, samesound effects, and that that
bothers me, especially when theydon't give credit.
But yeah, I'm all for it.
Yeah, if you're inspired by itin some way, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
We had talked about it a while ago, just differently
.
We were doing tribal albums inthe different countries.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, we were thinking about taking, like we
had this idea to take, like topworship songs in different
countries and then fly the bigworship leaders over from each
of those different countries.
That's cool, do them in theirlanguage and translate them.
I think it's a great idea.
I think it's a great idea,absolutely.
You guys got to do that forsure.
Yeah, let's talk about I NeedHelp.

(25:14):
Let's talk about thiscollaboration.
I think we kind of had aninteresting moment because I
dm'd you like in may, yeah, andyou kind of ghosted me.
Well, I definitely didn't leaveyou on read, I just didn't see
it, I didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And then I also do have such a bad habit of not uh
um, going through the likehidden dm part and going to
maybe like the verified, likeother partnership messages.
Yeah, yeah, right, and so, and,but Brianna does that.
And so one day she was like, doyou know Maverick city DMG?
But she, she's a huge fan andshe's been aware of you guys for

(25:51):
a long time and she's like weneed to hit them back.
I'm like, all right, let's doit.
And then we connected.
Do you mind if I share thestory?
I would love for you to shareBecause it was really cool
because, you know, because I haddone the song Up with Forrest
Frank and this was big in theChristian space and that was my
first time collaborating with aChristian artist.
And after we had put that songout, I had a lot of Christian

(26:14):
artists and Christian bandsreaching out to me with like
demos and stuff like that andthey were sending me these
incredible songs but they werevery worship heavy in a way that
where I was at in my faithwhich was like brand new, like
ground zero, like I say in thesong, I had bought a Bible.
I hadn't opened it yet, so Iknew it was something I wanted
to explore, but I didn't knowwhere I was at.
And so they were sending methese great songs and I was like
it wouldn't be authentic for meto be on this because I'm just
not there yet.

(26:35):
And that was the conversation Ihad with you, because I
remember the first demo you sentme I think it was a song called
God's Not Done, god's.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Not.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Done and it was really cool.
It was like like this hypemoment and I was just like I
don't know if I'm there, becauseeven on the Forest song, the
only reference I made was mindyour business now, who I worship
, that's like the only thing inthe line.
Because I was like if I'mcollaborating with Forest,
everyone's gonna be like, oh,connor's a Christian artist now
and dah, dah, dah.
And I was like, let me justlike I'm still figuring it out.
You know, and I and I told thatto you you were very honest.

(27:02):
But what I loved about yourresponse cause I would tell all
these other artists that whereI'm at sorry, I don't feel like
I'm authentically in a place tobe on this and represent you
know that what the song isspeaking on it was sort of one
who said, all right, then tellme where you're at.
And I was like, all right, well,I bought a Bible because a lot
of people I look up to whetherit's podcasts I listen to or

(27:24):
whatever are, you know, talkingabout God or referencing the
Bible and I want to be able toknow what they're talking about
and there's got to be somethinghere.
I don't like the fact that I'mlike engaged in the conversation
and sort of.
But then if I talk to someonewho's like atheist, I'm sort of
like I was not playing bothsides, but I was just being
neutral.
I was like I don't want to beneutral, I want to know where

(27:45):
I'm at and where I stand.
And I got to give myself achance to figure that out.
So I literally just like boughta Bible on Amazon and I remember
my's going on.
I was like I was likeeverything's good, I'm just
figuring stuff out.
Let me, let me, let me justread this.
Yeah and uh, and then and thenall the timing was weird.

(28:08):
Like three days after I orderedit.
That's when Forrest DM me.
I was like, okay, this timingis kind of crazy.
We did the song.
It went crazy.
I was like, yeah, I bought it,I haven't even opened it, I
haven't read it, I don't knowwhere to start.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
We talked about that.
Yeah, I know, we talked aboutlike where to start in the Bible
Totally, which honestly, it wasso cool for me because I
remember FaceTiming you thinkinglike okay, getting ready to
have a business conversation,like get the song done, done,
and it just flipped to this yeah, really real remember.

(28:42):
Yeah, like, hey, dude, I likeyou.
I think you asked me like hey,like I just bought a bible, like
where should I start?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
yeah, and I tried starting in genesis and I was so
overwhelmed I was like this isa lot my heart for you, just was
dude, I've, I was like dude.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't know why, but I feel like we got to figure
out how to stay tight inrelationship and do this
together like, yeah, find a songthat works, keep talking.
Because what you were saying tome in that moment and this is
what I love about the momentthat we got to do with I Need
Help was you're on a journey andeveryone's on a journey at some
point.
Right, and what I was like,what I was thinking in my head,

(29:14):
was like this is a greatopportunity for me and for
Norman and for what we do, to besort of like a representative
of who we believe Jesus is inour lives and to share that with
you, but not in a preachy way,but just in a real like.
And I would say like thecoolest part about the I need
help thing is the relationshipthat we built with you and your

(29:35):
wife and getting to kind of seeyou.
You guys are move way closer tous now.
Yeah, that to me means morethan the song, and I know that
sounds weird to say no.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, I get it absolutely yeah, all my collabs,
even the spin the globe stuff,I'm still in like whatsapp group
chats with them.
We keep in touch, like justtouching on what you're saying.
As far as, like, um, thecollaboration, the, the, the
friendship that I make with thatperson and everything around
the song, yeah, is always reallyimportant.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I think the beautiful thing you guys are highlighting
is that oftentimes, you know,especially in the Christian
community, it's like you meet anartist.
They say I don't know where I'mon my journey and it's like oh,
you got to hit them with thisHellfire and Brimstone right.
And what I often tell people isbecause I didn't.
You know, my parents arepastors, but I didn't

(30:23):
necessarily grow up in church.
My dad ended up moving toAfrica, my parents got divorced,
and so I came back to church at31.
You know what I mean?
I didn't go to church andcollege once my sister
evangelized all over the world,but for me it was a journey too,
and I remember, uh, the thingthat got me back in the church

(30:45):
and really, you know, living, uh, my living out, my faith, was
relationship, it's like, youknow, my brother and sister
although they were, you know,they were in it, they didn't
like shun me because you knownorman's being norman, right, it
was more so, like, all right,where are you?
Why do you think that?
What do you think about thesethings?
Now, there's this patent storythey were getting ready to plant

(31:07):
a church and there's this bookcalled Martyrs for Christ.
There's this book calledMartyrs for Christ.
So, if you know about churchplanting, which you probably
don't clearly, but there'ssomething called like the
initial group.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's like the planning group, but it's very
important to the life of likelike.
These people have to be sobought in yes, right, because
you're about to play the church.
So that's the context.
Like your brother andsister-in-law or your sister and
brother-in-law have gathered agroup of people that are like
hunkering down and saying likewe are connecting, we're moving

(31:43):
to, we're uprooting our lifewe're moving to.
Columbus South.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Carolina.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Here comes.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Norman.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
We're screwing our jobs.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
everything you know like Jesus told Richard R Ruler
sell all your goods and come andfollow me.
It's that time.
That's the church plant room,so we're sitting in the living
room in Columbia, south Carolina.
Everybody's talking, andthey're talking about this book,
martyrs for Christ.
One thing about me is I am avery practical guy and I'm going
to ask the question thatnobody's going to ask.

(32:10):
So my pastor goes.
You know they're in in Asiawhere they're persecuting
Christians, so the governmentcomes into the house and he asks
them you know, do you believein Jesus?
If you say you do, they're goingto shoot you in the head Like
right there, you're dead.
Right, that's pretty graphic,but that's what they're doing,
sure.
And so I say, of course, Iwould say no.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Like why am I going to die and lose my own family?
God know I believe in him.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Got to prove it to this guy.
It's clear that I should behere for my family.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
That would be most important.
Tell him I'm not going to admit.
I love Jesus.
He says this in a group, in agroup of people that are selling
everything they got.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
And no, no, this is the worst part the pastor is my
sister.
Like it's not, I'm not at somerandom person, so it's probably
like what kind of church is this?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, like what?

Speaker 3 (33:07):
So now I just didn't have that revelation.
And that's the thing, like thecool thing about it and I often
tell people especially peoplethat get to do what we do is
that the relationships you buildwith people in journey help.
Like one of the coolest thingsabout my brothers and sisters
being pastors and me kind ofcoming up and having a different

(33:28):
life is that I often can youknow, I often give them context
for what they're dealing withwith someone in the church.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's good you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
And there's different things, whether it's like you
don't have to have and this iscool.
This is the thing I often tellthem is that everyone's
different and the people thatyou're drawing to you on this
journey that you're going onwith I Need Help.
There's tons of them.
There's tons of kids that justgrew up.
It kids that just grew up.
It's not that they were badpeople, it's not.

(33:57):
You know, there's some huge sinnature out there.
I mean, as far as I know, I'venever heard Connor Curse.
I've never heard Curse is notsending anyone to hell, guys, by
the way, but I've never seen.
You're a great person.
You grew up in a great family.
I think that we misunderstandthat just some.
They just haven't had theintroduction, just haven't had
the introduction, and or theyhave a different intellectual

(34:20):
perspective on religion, right,and so I think what you and JJ
are talking about inrelationship, as you guys have,
as we're building this bond, andI talk to Brianna about
everything under the sun,business wise, whether it be
your mulch, to us and our kidsit's like.
Relationship is how people getdrawn closer to Christ.

(34:42):
Relationship is how people getdrawn closer to knowing him and
finding their way and findingtheir journey, and shunning
people simply because theyaren't where you are.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think sometimes does us a bigger disservice than
a service?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Sure, sure, that's what I was going to ask you, I
think sometimes does us a biggerdisservice than a service.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Sure, sure, well, have you had?
And that's what I was going toask you is how have you had?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
experience with it, Cause I'm sure, like when you
put out that first song withwith with Forrest, and then now
this song with us.
Forrest is even a higher statetransition than the Christian
music recently, like I don'tknow what maybe people would say
, because we're more overtly aworship group.
How has that?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
been Like people asking you questions.
Honestly.
Everyone has been likeincredibly supportive and in the
mindset of like this, likethank you for being authentic.
Because that was my worry waswhen we had that conversation
and I told you like this iswhere I'm at and props to you,
because you were the only onewho said then let's write that
song, and I was like are yousure?

(35:39):
Because I'm going to props toyou, because you were the only
one who said then let's writethat song, and I was like are
you sure?
Because I'm going to be sayingthings like I bought a bible I
haven't opened yet, I don't prayyet, I don't know where to
start.
You're like a lot of people arethere on that journey and I
think that story is worthtelling.
And then, after we got off thephone, the first demo you sent
me was the Taylor Hills, I NeedHelp idea and I was like this is
it?
And then that night I wrotethose two verses, sent them back
and it was like this is it,this is the song.
And so, yeah, it was.

(35:59):
I didn't know how people wouldrespond, but it's been
incredible because everyone,like every comment I see, every
DM I see, is either like howmuch the song is like maybe they
were in a certain place in lifeand they needed to hear
something like that.
Or it's just like we're soexcited for you to be on this
journey.
Like like it isn't any judgment.
It isn't any judgment, it isn'tany expectation, or like it's
just it's been actuallyoverwhelmingly positive, which

(36:22):
is great.
I didn't necessarily expect thatjust because I'm I know what
the internet can be likeespecially in the comment
section for someone making musicand it's been so far.
It's been incredible.
Everyone's very supportive andunderstanding of the fact that
it is a journey, which is great.
Cause that was my worries thatI put out a song with someone

(36:42):
like Forrest or Mav City andthey stamp me as oh, he's a
Christian artist.
So now there's this expectationthat he has to be this, this,
this and can't do this, this andthat.
But it seems like they're veryunderstanding people who listen
to the song of like cool, he'son a journey too, if they're in
that space, or they knew thatthey were on a journey at one
point, so they know what that is.
And there isn't someexpectation of like what I can
or can't do.
It's just like they're they'rewishing me the best and excited
to see what happens next.
And I'm excited to see whathappens next for myself and as I
continue to read the Bible now,and, and, and learn where I'm

(37:05):
at and where I want to be at,and even talking to my wife
about it.
Religion was something we nevertalked about and she, she's
Christian.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, that was, that was one of figuring things out
and I just, I don't know, I justfelt so much love for you, just
kind of where you were at andthe transition with acting music
and kind of where you were atspiritually.
I was like man, we got tofigure out a way to write a song
that embodies where you are,because I think my sense is like

(37:35):
a lot of people are where youare, even people that profess to
be Christian.
Sure, you know, sure that likehaven't opened their Bible in a
while and don't know how to saythat they need help, right,
right, I think that's a realplace to be Risking being
vulnerable Absolutely, yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Because I feel like, especially that kind of is the
thing where it seems like you'reeither at point zero or point
100.
Like at point zero or point 100, like this in between is sort
of like, yeah, there's sort ofjudgment of like well, are you
fully committed or are you not?
And so I don't often see,especially in music, like
somebody who is speaking on thatpart of the story.
So it's cool, we got to have amoment to to express that part

(38:09):
of the story yeah, there's aterm in church we call or use.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's called sanctification and it's like the
process of like.
When someone actually professesto know Jesus, there's a
process of becoming like himdaily.
We don't say that when youaccept Jesus, everything changes
.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
There is no point, you're always moving closer.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I like that, yeah, and I think when we think about
it like that, it kind of takesthe oh yeah of course,
technically, everyone's on ajourney.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Everyone's on a journey.
What part of it are you at?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
What part of it are you at?
Everyone's on a journey and thereally cool thing about
Maverick and this is one thingthat I we've really been
intentional about is we're not achurch, but we're also not
people who put themselves outthere to be this perfect, like
we've made mistakes, we've donethings that we shouldn't have
done.
We have our own journey and webring that to the songs we write

(39:05):
, to the expression that you gotto be a part of last night, and
so I think the vulnerability,authenticity that we've kind of
held but also like a lot of whatyou're saying about how you're
connected and you feel likeyou've been authentic with your
fans, bringing them along onthis journey felt like it just
made a powerhouse collaboration.
That feels really honestTotally.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And I've also been seeing some comments which is
really cool of like, hey, I'mI'm not a christian, but this
song resonated with me andthat's been really cool too,
because I also think there'sjust this overall theme of of
the importance, especially nowthat I'm like a dad and I have a
two-year-old, and I think it'sreally important to set an
example of being vulnerable,even when it might not be

(39:39):
popular to and, yeah, the kindof overarching idea of it being
okay to ask for help, whetherit's, hey, I don't know where to
start on this Bible.
I feel overwhelmed.
I don't like, where do I start?
How do I do this?
And for me personally, like upto this point in my life, I've
always been one to like ifthere's an issue, okay, I'll
figure it out.
I'll figure that out on my own.

(40:00):
I don't know if that's part ofbeing middle child.
I was just sort of I've alwaysbeen quite independent and lived
on my own pretty early on andwith the acting stuff, just I've
always just been veryindependent, and so it's like if
there's an issue, I'll justdeal with it, and so to give the
opportunity to now express thatin a song and kind of set that
example for my son, who I touchon at the end of the second

(40:21):
verse, I think is reallyimportant.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
One thing we don't often see, and especially in the
African-American community, ismen saying that they need help.
You know, I think that was onething that really sat with me
was one successful people don'task for help a lot, that's just.
That's the thing.
We're very insulated.
Second part is men don't askfor help a lot.
Right, that's the thing.
We're very insulated.
Second part is men don't askfor help a lot.
And then, most importantly,non-christian artists don't

(40:48):
generally talk about their faithor wanting to talk about their
faith, because it does put youin this box of what you
mentioned, someone that's notalways a Christian.
It's not that he's a Christianartist.
I don't believe.
And especially post-Spin theGlobe, because you collab with
so many different type ofartists who you know, it was

(41:09):
clear they had all kind of adiverse group of religious
beliefs and backgrounds andethnicities.
And as you were talking,something I was thinking about,
jj, you touched on it was thatas I sit and I thought and I
think through, I think for somepeople Christianity is more than
ethnicity, than it is even areligious belief, especially in

(41:30):
the deep south.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Touching on the conversation we were having in
the dressing room yesterday isthat some people just grow up in
church.
It's not even something thatthey, like you know, it's a part
of the culture that they grewup in.
You know, they grew up seeingit, but they never even began
the journey of moving or gettingclose to God in a real sense.

(41:56):
They did it more so, from asense, that's what my mom did,
that's what I saw my dad do, andthere's some good in that.
But there's also where you seesome what we call talk about
confusion, where what I see inyou is someone that genuinely,
when you say I believe this,it's going to be something you
decide you do.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Whereas in a lot of especially Southern households.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
It's not a choice.
You know what I mean.
There is no you're going to youbelieve in, it's like.
Not that it's forced on, butit's a part of the culture, the
ethnicity, of what we grow up in, especially in the deep South
and in America.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
What was the turning point for you?
Because I know, obviously youwere somebody who grew up in it.
You were sort of the example ofsomeone who would have been
like, not forced, but like, justlike, lived into it.
But you went the other way.
What made you, on your own,decide to pursue it?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You know I think they talk about there's this it says
bring up a child in the waythey should go and they'll never
depart from it.
I think because of because ofhow I was raised, so my mom
didn't really, you know, sorryfor saying this, mom, my mom
didn't really go to church whenI was growing up you know.
But she always had this peace,or shall I say, a confidence in

(43:15):
God.
You know, it was just one of.
She always prayed.
She had this confidence, nomatter what our life looked like
, right.
So her and my dad are divorced.
She's working at Nice.
We're living with ourgrandparents, you know, and I
can't complain.
Both my parents were doctors,pharmacists, whatever you want
to call it.
So I had a great financial liferight.
Growing up, I think the thingfor me was there's always.

(43:42):
There's always this senseinside of me that something is
missing, right, and I couldnever get a discernible piece.
That always felt like I was onquicksand.
So it's like, no matter howgood things were, I always felt
like I always had this feelingof, oh, when is that hammer
gonna drop?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
when is this hammer?
You get what I mean.
When is?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
that hammer gonna drop.
And until I literally made theI understand, when is that
hammer going to drop?
And until I literally made thedecision.
I was in the shower once when Iwas working we were living
around the corner in Atlanta andI felt I heard the audible
voice of God tell me to quit myjob and to go serve back at that
church that I had said that tobecause they kicked us.
And that core group thing wasyou know, you guys are clearly

(44:23):
not ready.
And so I called mybrother-in-law and, lo and
behold, they were starting thechurch the next week, like it
was their first service.
And so we drove three and ahalf hours down and I quit my

(44:47):
job and I started serving at thechurch for free and doing
whatever my brother and sisterneeded, just through
relationship.
Over time I begin.
You get what I'll say aboutlife transformation.
Is that that's the proof to meGod is real Like there's?
No.
I've never sat or watched anyYouTube videos of anybody
debating and said, oh, he gotthe better point than that guy
debating and said, oh, he gotthe better point than that guy.
I've never you know, he hasn'tpresented himself to me in the

(45:09):
flesh that I can touch him andsay hey, man, I'm God.
You hear what I mean?
There is no other way toexplain someone's life, going
from complete and utter shamblesto one that is just
overwhelmingly positive andbeautiful, aside from the

(45:29):
presence of God, and that's mytestimony.
So for me it was man, you know,I had whatever, you know, I was
kicking it, clubbing, drinking,you name it and God, one day I
was at church, arrested my heartand you know, I felt his
presence personally, you know,and through relationship, like

(45:52):
what you you know, yourconversation with jay there,
with my brothers.
I just asked him every questionthat I had yeah, you know what
I mean, like why this?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I'm finally reading the bible and I can't get one
sentence without because, solike if I I'm the type where if
I'm reading something andsomething's not connecting, I'll
keep autopilot reading but I'mnot connecting at all.
And so I'm trying tointentionally read and every
sentence there's either a word Idon't understand, a name I'm
trying to be like what does thismean?
Or like a phrase and I'm likewhat do they mean by that?

(46:21):
And I'm constantly having tostop, do like 20 minutes of
research and it's taking me solong, but maybe that's the point
.
There's this Bible calledCommentary Bibles.
It's a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Maybe I need that so they explain kind of the
etymology of words like whatthis means in context of that
time.
This is a classic story of thewoman at the well right and
without the context of that time.
This is a classic story of thewoman at the well right and
without the context of what'shappening there.
Jesus walks through a placethat they don't normally go,
which is Samaritan, samaria.

(46:53):
They were seen as like youcan't, it's like going to, I
guess think about a strip club,I'd imagine, samaritan, you
cannot go there, right so?
But Jesus is going through thisarea and his disciples are
saying to him you know, right,bro, we don't go to Samaria, I
have to go and meet someone.

(47:14):
And so the context of that timeis he's meeting with they're
not even supposed to be talkinglike a Samarian woman, samaritan
woman and he's Jewish.
They don't mix, they don't talkto each other, they don't go
around each other, they don't doany of that.
And so when you think aboutthat in context, and what he's
saying through this scripture isthat everyone's worthy of my

(47:35):
time, regardless of where theyare, she's clearly not at this
point, she's clearly not Jewish,she clearly doesn't believe.
But he thought it was soimportant for that entire
country.
She goes back and saves thewhole country.
And this woman she has multiplehusbands in that time and she's
sleeping with multiple men.
She's not some preacher or someevangelical, she's a normal

(48:00):
lady in her community and shegoes back and back.
Then you, you remember, womencouldn't preach.
So this is.
He chose a woman to go back tosave her entire country.
So the context is what you'retalking about.
That commentary writer, youknow that makes that story come
alive, sure, sure it gives uslike in modern day context.
Imagine a pastor deciding to goto the strip club and get a

(48:23):
stripper and say, hey, you'regonna be the woman'm going to
use to go and save all ofAtlanta, right?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
No, that's what it is .

Speaker 3 (48:32):
And so that's why the Bible, the beauty of it, the
stories in the Bible are betterthan any reality TV we watch.
They really are Any reality.
Like you are going to gothrough these things You're
going to be like what.
You've heard of David in theBible.
Have you ever heard of David,David and Goliath?
When you get through the storyof David, let's talk David.
I'm going to spoil it.
He killed his best friend, tookhis wife and had kids with her.

(48:56):
I didn't know that part of thestory.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yes, and this is the man after God's own heart.
The Bible says that he was aman after God's own heart.
After that, yeah, all right,we'll be talking.
I think if I could just sayhumbly, like as you read through
it, one thing I and I've gotsome books that I'll send you
but one thing I would just sayis to, like, there is a through

(49:18):
line you can pull it at anypoint, no matter where you're in
the Bible of God being a God ofredemption, of God being a God
who meets people where they are.
That's constantly through thereand that you know as you look
at the backdrop, obviously youget to the New Testament and
Jesus arrives.
I would say for us and I thinkthis is kind of one of the

(49:39):
reasons why I was even somotivated to be like bro.
Of course we can figure out away to do a song together,
because it's like I want my lifeto be and I feel like and I
hope it is, but I know Normanfeels the same way it was like
we want our lives to beexemplary of what God has done
in our lives and how he changedus and made us new, and you know

(50:00):
, it's like doing life withJesus is so much different than
than doing it any other kind ofway, and I think, hopefully, and
as we continue relationship,hopefully you've been able to
see that and hope you will,hopefully you'll be able to
continue to see that and that's.
I think that's really it.
It's like that should.
That's a great starting pointto say, and I don't know about
all this Jesus stuff, but let'sstart here.
Yeah, let's see how, let's hearabout what he's done in your

(50:23):
life, and I think that's yeah.
I mean, I'm hopeful, I'mexcited for you.
I think you're in a really, andI just want to say too, you
being as vulnerable as you wereto even tell me that, because
you didn't have to say it theway you did, you were just
really honest and I just I don'tknow, I just wanted to honor
that.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Just be like honor, that just feel like bro, that
was really special.
I appreciate that.
Thank you for thanks for beingopen to it.
Like I said, yeah, because alot of other people might have
been like, oh, good luck on yourjourney, like you know, but you
kind of yeah, you, I think you,you asked a lot of good
questions and gave me theopportunity to open up about
that.
So, yeah, it goes both ways.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Appreciate it absolutely um, I want to talk
about like kind of this wavereally quickly, of like indie
artists like that we're seeing.
I was telling Brianna the otherday.
I was like I feel like y'allare the mother and the father of
these, you know what I mean.
It's like this kind of this newwave.
We see it.
You know you got the Forest,you've kind of emerged.

(51:14):
You got you and Nick D oh, he'sup there, yeah.
But I just I see you guys,graham, jay, yeah, I see you
guys as kind of like a new waveand I don't know if there's
anything you want to say.
Is there like a genre that youguys call yourselves Like?
Is that?
No it just seems like superindependent, really great at

(51:35):
socials and really fast withputting out music.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I mean, for me, like my blueprint, my North Star was
always Russ.
Like I got to shout out Russ,because to me that's like the
godfather of like just thatindependent lane.
He was the first one to reallypopularize the like putting a
song out every week, and when hewas doing it it was on
SoundCloud, you know, and soI've been following kind of a
lot of his methods and hisemphasis on independence.
I got to kind of connect withhim recently, which was cool,

(52:00):
his first.
I guess maybe I should, maybeI'll keep that private, but he w
he was very adamant on beinglike yo, I see what you're doing
, stay independent, trust me.
I was like that's the plan,that's, that's the legacy I see
for myself, um, but so it's beenreally cool to kind of get that
look from him and um, but yeah,I think the extra element that
I've added to it um is thecontent thing, and that was

(52:21):
really just like I said, it wasa timing thing of like around
covid, everyone was just sort ofon their phones and on the
internet and content.
There's this big wave ofcontent and, uh, people just
really like the content.
The content converted reallywell to the songs.
Like whenever I had a video goviral on tiktok the very next
day, every time my spotify wouldjump.
I'd see the graph go up forthat song that I was promoting.
I was like, oh, this is, thisis working.

(52:42):
People are entertained by thecontent and if there's a song in
it that they like it, they'regoing off of TikTok and going to
Spotify to listen to it.
This is working, let's keepdoing that.
And then you kind of catchthese waves and if you're lucky
enough, like I had to have amoment of spin the globe, which
was a series Now people are likewaiting for the next episode
and they're in this algorithm.
So every time I posted a globevideo immediately, it was just
like people knew what to expect.

(53:03):
The format worked and I coulddo it, you know, like episode or
season one of spin the globe.
We did it eight times, eightdifferent artists, and each time
it was so yeah, we don't reallyhave a name for it, but I was
inspired by someone like Russ asfar as the independent mindset
and the releasing consistently,and then very inspired by
someone like Nick D, who wasreally like one of the first to
really go crazy with the contentside of things and following in

(53:25):
his footsteps and I'll neverforget that.
He reached out to me or Ireached out to him, and then he
like immediately responded withhis phone number, just said,
call me.
And we FaceTimed for like sortof like we did where we just
like connected right away.
I FaceTimed, had a long call,same with him.
I called him just thought it'dbe like hey, what's up, and we
just talked for like two hoursand he told me like everything
that he thinks I should be doingdifferently or try more of this

(53:45):
, and just like followed in hisfootsteps and was able to kind
of, uh, yeah, take, take whatthe advice from him?
And yeah, he's, he's been.
He's one of the biggest reasonsI'm where I'm at because of how
much game he gave me early onand just immediately wanted to
help shout out Nick D, shout outNick D.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I remember when we first, when we kind of came on
the scene in the Christian musicindustry, it was like this, you
know, and it seems like a solong ago, but it really wasn't.
It was like artists would take,you know, you put an album out
and then you wait a year, putanother album out, and I
remember we dropped likeprobably 10 albums in a year.
You know what I mean Just crazycontent.

(54:22):
I remember, um, the feelingthat that like created in the
industry.
It's like now you have allthese artists that are dropping
all these songs and I just Ilove the way that y'all are
doing that.
It just feels so fresh.
It feels like you're owningyour lane.
Y'all are so connected to thefans, which I also love,
something that we are reallybeing on as well.
So, man, kudos to you.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I think another thing it really did is gives me the
opportunity to be, to have likea variety of music be what's the
word I'm looking for.
But just like, because I'mputting out so much, I could one
week maybe put out a more rapfocused song, next week put out
something more pop, r&b.
I could do something like INeed Help and not feel like I'm
the type of artist that onlyputs one song out every month

(55:02):
and it has to stay in a certainlane, like I feel a lot of
freedom when I post soconsistently and put out so much
stuff and I'm not holding ontoall these demos.
I'm just like I feel good aboutsomething.
I'm going to put it out.
It gives me the freedom to be.
Versatile is what I was lookingfor, and now my audience expects
that they're they're.
They're not thrown off when oneweek it's a hip hop song and
the next week it might besomething like I need help, and
so it's cool that I've been ableto have and develop a fan base

(55:24):
that knows that I'm going to dowhat feels right in the moment
and it might be a vulnerablesong about where I'm at in my
faith, and then it might be meand Nick D having fun doing some
EDM.
You know rap bop, it was justlike I like that.
I've kind of set myself up in away for them to expect the
unexpected and get to do a bunchof stuff.
So super cool man.
Yeah, super cool.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Absolutely.
So we were coming down, you andI, we were just talking about
life and where we came from andall of that, and we've kind of
hit on that as it pertains toyou.
What do you see happening inthe future, like, what are some
things that people can expectfrom you, that they may not
expect?
And then you know, sure, thenormal yeah, I want to do.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I want to do a lot more long form content, like
I've.
You know, short form is isgreat, but I think I think one
thing short form does reallywell is casting a wide net of
audience, of like getting newpeople to listen, and I think
long form content is what keepsthose engaged, like really
feeling connected to you, and soso, like YouTube specifically
like Bree and I recently weretalking about, because we've

(56:29):
done Spin the Globe season oneand two, and if we were to do a
season three, I'd want it to bedifferent, and I think the way I
can make it different is by,instead of filming it vertically
for TikTok and it's like a 60second like highlight clip of
like Spin the Globe, find theartist.
It's like this quick thing ishow cool it would be if, like
it's it's it's in the style ofyou know those like netflix food
travel shows where they go tothe country and they show, you

(56:52):
know, the culture of the area.
How cool it would be if I didan expanded version for youtube
where it's like a 10 minute longvideo where, let's say and this
will be hard logistically nowhaving yet, you know, a
two-year-old and one on the wayto have to, like, maybe go out
to Africa or Europe, but maybe Ican keep it more.
You know, maybe it's spin theglobe USA edition, where I'm
just focused on different states, but I can go to that state,

(57:13):
vlog it, show myself travelingthere, show myself connecting
with the artists, seeing wherethey record what their setups
like, what the music scene islike there, film a music video
in their city, use avideographer from that city,
like just show the whole processand make it more of like this
documentary style thing whereI'm still collaborating with
these other artists, and make itmore long form.
And so that's sort of thedirection I think my content is
going, which I'm excited about.

(57:35):
And, yeah, giving people theopportunity, even like this,
like I never really do podcasts,but more like longer form, like
uncut, like more of me, insteadof just this perfect 60 second
I'm going to spend this globeand wherever my finger lands,
it's just very like scripted andquick and people don't really
get the opportunity to know me,you know, beyond these perfect
edits, and so I want to do more,more just like longer form,

(57:56):
looser stuff that gives peoplemore of an idea of who I am,
cause I think that's what'simportant is, instead of trying
to cast the net so wide whichI'll obviously continue to do,
because short form is stillgoing to be a part of that but
also focus more on doing longerform stuff that lets people know
more about who I am, evenoutside of the music, to watch
me travel to these places andinterview the artists when I'm

(58:16):
with them in their studio.
Yeah, yeah, so that's sort ofwhere my head's at as far as
content Dream collab, dreamcollab.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
So that's sort of where my head's at as far as
content Dream collab.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Dream collab.
Dream collab, gosh.
That's a good question.
There's like Charles Gambino,donald Glover is sort of like,
but I don't know if that collabwould work, like our audiences
and our brands are kind ofdifferent, but just the
opportunity to like sit with himand talk to him, that would be
like like anyone I could justsit down and have dinner with,

(58:43):
would be him for sure, becausehe's, you know, excels so much
on the acting side, thedirecting side.
He's created shows, of course,music, um.
So yeah, he's like a huge I'm ahuge fan of his, so that that
would be amazing.
Um, yeah, other artists wise,I'd have to.
I'd have to think on that, um,because I feel like, weirdly
enough, some of my favorite likedream collabs wouldn't be music
artists, they'd be contentcreators Doing something with Mr

(59:06):
Beast.
I don't know what that would be, but our fan bases would mesh
up well and I just love content.
So I don't know what that wouldlook like, but a lot of times
when I think of dream collabs,it's content creators.
He has mastered content, mrBeast.
Oh, of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
He's doing it at a level that no one is Bro.
I just have to say this you arelike the exemplary image of
what an artist, a successfulartist, is.
Right.
Like you master the contentthing, you do the social as well
.
You put music out frequently.
I don't know.
I'm sure people obviously outthere who are kind of getting to
know you.

(59:44):
I'm just like kind of puttingthem on game.
Like Connor is the guy to watch, like great model of how to
release music and be an artist.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I think another thing I'm really trying to do more is
it's it's pretty, you know when, when I was early on and trying
to like catch that wave withspin the globe and like,
especially with the firstepisode, and it did so well.
Now I'm sort of like quicklyputting out two and three, and
I've created this sort ofexpectation of putting out music
consistently.
There is a level sometimeswhere I feel like I'm
prioritizing the speed overtaking my time to make sure the

(01:00:16):
song is as incredible as it canbe.
So one thing I also am doing,in addition to the kind of
longer form content stuff I wastalking about, is with these
songs, is I don't necessarilyfeel like I'm in a space where I
need to be putting out a newsong every week now, and so that
gives me more times to moretime to sit with these songs,
even little things, like I usedto when I found a course that I
liked and I had a good vocaltake, I would just copy and

(01:00:38):
paste it three times.
Now I'm like I'm actually goingto like re-record the second
chorus and maybe add something,just so that there's there's
flow and there's somethingdifferent, and I sometimes got
caught in this like formula.
It's like the spin the globeformula works.
This type of song works.
Verse course, verse.
Let's just copy paste this, youknow.
And so I'm trying to get out ofmy head of like following
formulas and yeah, try differentthings, which we did really

(01:01:00):
cool with.
I need help as far as, like youadding the choir and you
sending me those stems, and nowI get to work with christian, my
brother-in-law, who mixed thesong and figure out the moments.
Or or with nick, like addingthese vocal chops and like like
just having more to work withand the song like goes somewhere
.
We introduced the choir laterto give it like a layer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Like that was fun for me, what you were trying to say
earlier was like I, it'ssomething I feel like we were
pretty good at.
It's like it's that marriagebetween being a tactician and
creative, yes, and like tryingto find, like where the perfect
overlap and intersections are,because it is like there is a
lot of strategy that goes intoreleasing a song.

(01:01:37):
Yeah, we were.
I mean, it's funny the thingsthat, like last night, we had a
moment last night where it'slike you know, we're thinking
about man, we need this song tobe done so we can get this
content to release it.
For you know, and it's justlike there is like this ebb and
flow, and I think that's thebattle you're talking about Like
how do I follow the what'sworked, but also how do I like

(01:02:00):
let creativity speak into?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And I think this song making it was a perfect example
of that, cause you I love tohow involved you were, cause you
could easily have been like Icould have sent you the first
mix or the first ideas orwhatever and you could have been
like great, like cause the songtechnically was done, but you
were like the second verse asfar as like when we would
introduce the choir, having Nicklike record a bunch of stuff
and us picking through the bestmoments and him throwing ad libs

(01:02:23):
through my verse and pickingthe best ones.
Like you were very adamant onmaking sure that things could be
better in certain sections andand that made us take more time
with the song and yeah, Icouldn't be more proud of like
how it, how it sounds great you,you getting that choir together
was like like yeah it's yeah,it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
No, we, it's a great, great, great marriage.
And it's like I've learnedsomething about collaboration.
It's like cause I know you saidsomething about I don't know
how this would work I thinkcollaboration at its highest
form and from what I'veexperienced, like my when I've
gone into it with a I don't knowhow this is going to work and
you just get in there and itworks.

(01:03:02):
I don't know.
You know there have been somecollaborations that we've done
where I'm like is this gonnawork right?
And then, low and bold, you getin there and it works and I
just think I don't know.
There's something really coolabout the magic of bringing
people together that don't thatdo different things, yeah, yeah,
and seeing what you can come upwith, that feels universal yeah
, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
So I think I think we definitely did that with this
one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
We generally ask all of our guests about their
Maverick moment, and so that'slike.
So, as Mavericks we're knownfor, like being independent,
unorthodox, kind of breakingaway from the herd, doing our
own thing and bringing somethingnew, fresh, to something.
In our example, what JJ lovesto use democratized worship

(01:03:54):
Worship was seen as this whitespace where this small group of
collect few artists and writingrooms got together and made
music.
And now that's brought into you, mean you got worship
collectives at every church,basically under the sun.
At this point, what do you feellike was your maverick moment?
Like, what was that moment?

(01:04:14):
You knew all right, I'm on tosomething.
I'm starting like I am buildingsomething that is going to
leave a legacy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
My first tour.
Okay, and the reason I say thatwas everything up to my first
tour as far as, like, theattention I was getting, the
streams that I was seeing, theviews on the music videos were
all just numbers and comments onthe internet.
It didn't feel real.
It didn't feel real at all.
And the moment I put out myfirst tour luckily it sold out

(01:04:50):
and then seeing them for realand a big thing that I also
didn't touch on earlier, whenyou were asking about like
cultivating that fan base andwhy I feel like people were
really attaching themselves tothis music, was I also keep all
my music clean and what Inoticed is, at the show, so many
families would come.
Parents would be there withtheir kids and they're both
singing the songs, and I wouldmeet a lot of them at meet and

(01:05:12):
greets or after the shows andthey would always say like, hey,
I bond with my son or daughterbecause we listened to your
music on the way to school, welistened on the way to soccer
practice, and so it's our thingtogether and so now we come to
the shows together and so thatthat to me, was like when it
felt real, like sort of like wewere talking earlier.
I'm like, have you ever have amoment where you stop and like
take it in?
You're like, not really, I'mnot there yet and I struggle

(01:05:33):
with that too.
But that was a moment out ofthat first show where I was like
, whoa, we did it and I'm Briewas side stage, my brother was
doing merch, my brother-in-law,christian, who makes his
master's, is that front of houselike the family?

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
was there and they all had jobs and we're all like
supporting each other and thatwas like that was my, my magic.
That's beautiful man.
We did talk about that and itwas just like that's something
we would definitely have to getbetter at.
It's like you sit back.
You've been working this hard.
You know we.
You know how, you know thegrind.
You know you know how it is.
You're up all night justsitting back and taking it in
Like man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
What we've done and what God has allowed us to do
and assisted us in doing man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Look at last night.
You guys, you guys did that man.
That's crazy.
You guys filled up an arena,yeah, I know.
And they're all singing thewords like loud.
And they're emotional yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I don't know that we take, I mean, the craziest thing
man is and someone asked methis last night.
It's like is it?
Is it?
It's not that it gets common.
That's not what I would say.
It's that I'm so focused on thenext show, the next tour.
All I thought about last nightwas what's the next tour?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I get it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
The next song.
The next song.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm talkingto him about how we can set up
the song that follows.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I Need Help and you know we need to get this content
.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
It's like I do think we have to figure out how to
slow down and say yeah look atwhat he's doing right now yeah,
I mean yeah because if not,you'll always be chasing that
next.
And the reality is, if you satin the now yeah, then the net,
the net you'll appreciate thenext a lot more totally.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I think there's definitely a balance we can find
, because you obviously you sittoo much in the now, you get
content and then you miss out.
You you think too much in thefuture.
You're like, well then what wasthe point of what I was working
if I didn't enjoy it?
Yeah, I think my son has taughtme that a lot because, like he
kind of forced my you know, theykids force you to slow down and
and you realize how quicklythey're growing up.
So that's something I've beentrying to work on.
It's just just be present inthat moment and you know there's

(01:07:42):
the moment to be present andthen the moment to be like all
right, let's focus on that nextthing.
Finding that balance is tough,easier said than done.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
There was something that came to me when I thought
about it it's so real because Ithink I've dealt with it this
year is that when things aregood, you're generally chasing
the next good thing.
That's right, and what ends uphappening.
I think the reason why becauseof Mental Health Awareness Month
I think the reason why so manyartists, so many successful

(01:08:09):
people, they fall into thesedeep depressions is because we
generally don't slow down untilwe're not successful anymore and
then you're forced to deal withthe now.
You're forced to live in thenow, right, right, because
things aren't moving anymore.
And when things were moving,you were chasing the next moment
that by the time you're forcedto slow down, the moments aren't

(01:08:32):
there anymore, and so it's like, man, if I could just go back
to, I would have loved If Icould just go back to an arena
full of people and sit there andappreciate what's going on.
When you slow down and you andnow no one wants to show up it's
like wow, yeah, how do we, howdo we get so far away from?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
that it's the sadness or two like man, I've missed it
.
Yeah, I didn't get to enjoy it,you know, yeah, the whole good
old days kind of.
Yeah, that's that.
I mean, that's a lot of mymotivation of like, that's why I
want to enjoy it, because I donwant to enjoy it when you walk
away from it.
You want to be able to be likeman.
I lived that, I experienced itand I'm good.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Absolutely, absolutely, something I'm
working on for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Absolutely, we all are.
Did you have any questions forus?
You want to ask anything?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Gosh, what's next for you guys as far as, like, how I
was looking at content, beingdifferent, how I'm looking at
songs and balancing, you know,making sure the quality is, or
the quantity is there, butwanting to increase the quality
all the time.
And what's what?
How do you guys view as far asmaverick city as a collective,
whether it's business orcreative?
What are you guys viewing asthings you you want to improve,
or what's next in that sense?

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
that's good.
That's that's really good.
I think this is one of thethings that was next for us.
We didn't have a voice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yeah, which is crazy, because all my experience of
working with you guys, themajority of it is talking to you
guys.
And then I'm like, followingMaverick City, I'm like where is
JT?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
and Norm.
These are the dudes man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
And they're like I've never seen them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
That's really funny, you know, and so well we didn't
have a voice.
They were defining whatMaverick City was, and so we
want definitely, you know, do apodcast, get more content out.
We just started a televisionfilm division earlier this year,
so we are.
We have a full on productioncompany filming two films in Los
Angeles right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Wow, really.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Wait, tell me about that so.
Documentary yeah, wait tell meabout that Documentary Scripted.
No one is a movie and one is aChristmas movie and one is a
scripted series.
I believe that's awesome.
Phil Thornton is our CEO ofThree Diamonds Production
company.
Works with Trill.
That's so cool, phil, aisha,aisha, so they do a good job

(01:10:47):
over there.
I mean, phil has tons ofexperience as an executive
producer in television.
Phil, yeah, it's one of thebest man, um, but that's
something that's really excitingbecause it's a vertical.
It's just we want to reallyexist in our vertical.
As I told you yesterday, we'rereally wide, yeah, and so what
I'm, what I want to improve on,is us being agile, being focused

(01:11:07):
on the things that we do well,and so I believe what's next for
us is we're ramping up alsopace.
Again.
You know, once you startwinning Grammys and you get
sucked into this thing ofquality over quantity, when what
really works and what hasproven to work is that pace.
Yeah, even though you wantquality, you can get quality and

(01:11:31):
maintain pace.
we lost pace, sure okay, yeah sowe're, we're picking back, like
we've now had a release rightnow almost every week since, uh,
september, september good foryou guys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
I, I love that.
That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
So that's the thing for us right now.
It's television, film, pace andthis podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
I like that.
I like that that's really coolabout the television and film
stuff, Because I think, likeobviously the goal for that is
to create long-form content withChristian values.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah, it's across the board.
Of course, with Christian valuesfor sure, but I mean as a
company in and of itself.
We want to be, I believe inexcellence, right, and so what I
mean when I say that is that,yes, we're going to create
excellent content with ChristianValues.
At the same token, just like wedon't shy away from
collaborations currently inmusic, which we get a lot of

(01:12:19):
flack for Sure, I mean we wantto take what we do throughout.
So I think I don't want to telltoo much about Phil's thing,
but the current movie that he'sworking on it stars Marcy Martin
, right, and so you know whetherwe are taking it into the
mainstream and being greatstewards and great partners for

(01:12:42):
really big artists, or we'redoing a really dope film on the
life of Kirk Franklin or thestory of Mavic city.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
That's cool, that sort of was like what I was
saying earlier, as far as likehaving the freedom to be
versatile, you're, you're havingthat with with with that as
well where, uh, yeah, you're,you're, you're not forcing
yourself into one box where youhave to do one thing and people
are, and people know to expectthat they can get this or that
they can get a Gorilla collab, aConor Price collab or a

(01:13:09):
Christmas album or whatever thecase might be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
So that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
That's the next one or a Christmas song with Doran
Wells.
Oh cool, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, the versatility ofcontent, and that's cool.
I'm excited to see what youguys make.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
We may have to get Conor in a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Absolutely, that's not even a maybe, hey man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
We may have to do it on Conor Well, all right, yo man
, it was a pleasure having you.
Conor man, yeah, thanks forhaving me.
It was a pleasure having thisconversation thing, man, we did
it all.
We ran it in the ground.

(01:13:48):
Yo, thank you guys for catchingmavericks on the mic.
We just had a greatconversation with our brother,
connor price.
Thanks for having me.
Uh, if you haven't checked itout, I need help.
It's out now everywhere.
Video out now everywhere.
Something cool that happened.
What I need help is that youguys helped us both break our
one day record on Spotify.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
First day was crazy.
Yeah, first day that we putthis song out, you guys really

(01:14:11):
went nuts and so we want tobreak that record again.
Go and stream.
I need help please need you andyou need him.
Thank you, bye.

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