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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to mess Ukasa. I am your host Nico House.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And tonight, if you are watching, we have a special
edition of mikasas Sukasa. Due to the unforgiving traffic of
Miami Dade County, I will be broadcasting from my vehicle,
So if you're happen to drive by me on the
highway from my Miami followers, give me a little beat
beat in a little too, too, because we're gonna We're
gonna talk about some real things tonight, some things that
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have kind of been danced around, some things.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That need to be discussed.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And my job tonight isn't to persuade you one way
or the other. But what I would like to do
is give you the information to help you make an
educated decision for yourself and therefore ultimately helping you make
the right decision.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Because the path to victory.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Especially when we were talking about politics, it's absolutely found
through different avenues.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And so my job is.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To is to to help you you find whatever way
is the best way for you, as long as that
way is once again foundationalized and educated, is educated decision
making in facts. So dim exit or dim entered, Lord knows,
that is the question of possibly a lifetime because the
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outcome of this debate could very well determine the outcome
of the future of our democracy. As we know, the
dim exit movement started because of how the Democratic Party
treated Bernie Sanders. Then they treated Senator Needa Turner horribly
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at the convention, they treated their constituents horribly.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
The people that they represented, they had.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Super delegates who supported Bernie Sanders are assuming who completely
ignored the states that supported Bernie says that they were
voting against the interests of the states. And so it
was a compilation of all these events that ended up
leading to the Democratic exit.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And so after the election is over, Uh, we.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Have seen the Democratic dim enter or Democratic Party entrance. UH.
And they whether people agree with them or disagree with them,
they believe that it is possible to completely reform the
Democratic Party and make it progressive and uh, you know,
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fill it full of berniicrats essentially.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Like I said, the possibility of that is at this
point unknown.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I say it's unknown.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Because the reality of the situation is there is there
is a stronghold in the key positions, uh, in the
Democratic Party and the Democratic National Committee and so on.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And I mean any.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Important office in the Democratic Party. They're essentially being holed
by establishment people who will know how to play the
game well and keep progressives out.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's the reality of the situation. Now, does that mean
that we should leave the Democratic Party alone and leave
them to be corrupt?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You're talking about this at this very moment, the second
most powerful party in the country that has a lot
of influence politically, socially, and financially, and that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That reality needs to be very understood.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Morally, we do want to automatically say that we don't
want anything to do with the Democratic Party whatsoever. And
the truth of the matter is that might not be
the right answer because morally, yes, we do want to
do the right thing, but in context, we want to
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do the right thing in the right way.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So some people believe the moral thing to do is
to leave the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Some people believe the moral thing to do is to join,
rejoin the Democratic Party and take it in from the
ground up. So I'm gonna go ahead and clarify what
them inter is because there have been a lot of
people in the dim inter movement who feel which is
this is?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Which is true?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Actually from what they've what they've been telling me, and
the responses that I got in the poll that I
took earlier today on my personal Facebook status, there seems
to be a miscodification of what democratic interer is or misunderstanding.
So they asked me to clarify that for you, and
I told them that I'll be more than happy to
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And what democratic inter dem enter is is taking over
the party from the ground up so that it can
be progressive again. Now I don't think it's like people
some people believe from what I've read, that the them
entry just take over are rejoin the party and do
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anything you can to be the Republicans and Donald Trump,
or rejoin the party and vote blue. Uh, you know,
no matter what. But that's not in essence what the
the democratic the dem ter is. So that was asked
of me to clarify, and so I absolutely have no
problem giving clarification. Because if we're gonna if we're gonna
deal with these these issues that there needs to be
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scope given, we can to just just.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Start arguing it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
If we don't know what we're arguing about, then we're never.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Gonna get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So but once again, because this is an objective discussion,
we need to keep it very honest about what them
exit as a result of and why people feel so
strongly about them exit. We can we can obviously point
to the obvious, which is the corruption within the DNC
during the primaries, but.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Let's talk about the fact.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
That it is not just the establishment that you were
battling against. I know, when I say establishment, I mean
the politician. Is not just establishment politicians that you were
battling against. Representative Tulci. Representative Gabbert went to Syria, as
most of us know what is being called now a
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secret trip. I didn't think it was that secret. She
went to Syria.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean, she's a grown woman, she com made.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Her own decisions, she's a congresswoman. Like I didn't think
it was that big of a deal. But she went
to Syria.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
This is why I didn't think it was that big
of a deal.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
If you know, a lot of people have been to
Syria in the past and it was never a big deal.
Like they didn't go through some big hullabaloo about like
why you're going.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Why were you there, who are you talking to? Who?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You all? Like, So that was.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's why it was hard for me to codify that
as being a secret right because when she came back,
she told everybody so, and she she was excited tell everybody.
She was excited to go people to tell people about
the conversation that she had.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Here's the issue.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We know that Democrats were going to do whatever they could,
you know, because of Obama's legacy with Syria and the
military industrial complex that a lot of these Democratic Party
members are funded by.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They're not going to take the side of Tulsi. And
I say the side of Toulsi instead of the side
of aside, because the side.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Of Toulsi is peace in humanity. In this particular case,
piece of humanity does not make people money.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So the slander began.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But what's even more important is where the slander came from,
which is CNN started slandering her business Business Weekly or
Business Insider started slandering her. Washington Post. Josh Rogan from
Washington Post wrote, wrote a ridiculously disrespectful and disparaging article
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about Toulsi Gabbard. I'm alluding to things that I'm want
to really repeat on the radio. But it just was
not It wasn't an objective. It really none of the
discussion except for a few independent sources of course, but
none of the discussions about Tolci's trip to Syria were unbiased,
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which worries me because, well, like I said before, trips
have been made to Syria prior to Senator our Representative
Gabbert going. And she literally said, which is what I
would expect anyone who wants pieces. She's like, I went
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there to have a conversation because I'm tired of seeing
innocent people get killed. In what world do you come
back and you say this that that statement, obviously your
actions have followed.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean you've been the standing rock where.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You stood up for innocent people and you know, you
stood up against big money interests and protected the people
in the water that they that they need to live.
You've showed consistently over the last couple of years that
this is your ultimate goal is to protect the innocent.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
When you say I want to stop terrorists from being
funded by the United States, I want to know exactly
how they've.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Been funding and where that money has been going to,
and what has a United States funding of terrorism?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
What does that led to.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
When you say things like I want children to stop dying,
I want them to stop stop asking me why are
we funding terrorist groups, why are we bombing them? When
you say things like I literally I just want peace.
I want the Syrian people to have peace, and I
want to talk to whoever I has to talk to
to reach a conclusion. Maybe it's not the one hundred
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percent conclusion that I want that I would like, But
isn't diplomacy talking to someone that you don't agree with
so that y'all can reach a mutual understanding. So whenever
these are the quotes that you see over and over
again from from from Tulsi's meeting with UH with a.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
SOD and it worries the hell out of me.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That these publications are being backed by people who obviously
are in line with the Democratic Party, the Democratic establishment,
the military industrial complex. They can slander anyone who stands
up to the Democratic Party, even as someone as popular
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as Tulsi.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
The people said it was so easy to to take
down Bernie in.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Publications because he's an old white guy and you know
he's been there forever, so it's easy to do that.
But when you can take down a minority woman, and
oddly enough, all the.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
People who are I'm with her, I'm you know, we
gotta stand by our women.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
No matter what, we got to stand by Democratic Party members,
no matter what vote blue on matter what CNN attackses
Tolci Gabbert, business insider attacks Uh, Toulci Gabert, Uh what
Washington Post attacks her? And all of a sudden, these
people who are saying that anything negative said about Hillary Clinton,
it's sexist. But Toulci is literally trying to stop people
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from being murdered and bombed and stop trying to stop
terrorist from being funded is being slaughtered and not I don't,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm on the internet a lot, and I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Hear any dissent by the feminist majority that is Hillary
Clinton supporters.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Now that's scary to me.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
If you're if you're a dementor person, that should freak
you the hell out. Legitimately freak you out, because let's
be very clear, media.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Obviously control the outcome of this left media.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The media had people legitimately believing that Bernie Sanders was
not a civil rights activist. The media legitimately had people
believing that Toulci Gabbert not totally gab excuse me, that
Bernie Sanders was a sexist, was a misogynist. The media
had people believing that there was no type of protest
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going outside of the DNC convention. The media was used
to propagate Donald Trump's presidency. The media was used to
suppress the reality of a Hillary Clinton's past and her
future if she were to win presidents, presidents, the presidency.
So that should scare you because we know how effective
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the media has been.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And although you may be progressive, although.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You may be able to you're you are aware and
you can attract other light like minded individuals. The simple
fact of the matter is you have to be able
to prove that people, if they decided to do them enter,
are not going to waste their time.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That is what it ultimately comes down to, that they're
not going to waste their time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now, on the other side of that coin, for the
dem Exic people, we're gonna go back to Demanic intersecond.
But for the dem Exic people, we need to face
the reality.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That this is a two party system.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's a two party system now, it's gonna be a
two party system next week. If you remember, like I said,
for the dim inter people, which is something they should
be worried about, the establishment has done a very good
job making it extremely complex, nearly impossible for progressives to
take over their parties from the inside, because you have
to know the people, you have to be able to
put them in power.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You have to be able to to affect the rules.
You have to be able to change the by laws.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You have to be able to have the money to
back you, and you have to be able to proposition
someone else you know that quit pro quote. So for
dem exit people that want to believe that the Green
Party is the only way or total independence is the
only way, you might want to rethink that because I'm
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telling you legally, just everything happens so fast during an
election that you could be proven righte every year. Yes,
the election was stolen, but they're not going to renig
the presidency.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So we still have lawsuits active right now, as you
all know.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I mean, I was part of the group of people
that starts.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The DNC lawsuit. We're still dealing with it. We're still
dealing with the DNC lawsuit. So we need to face
the reality that the Democrat A Party Republican Party do
technically dominate. This is a two party system, and yes,
we do want a system that you know that is
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open and accessible to all parties. But the reality of
the situation is it's not the case right now. As
much as we want to pretend that we can build
up the Green Party to twenty thirty million, and we can,
I don't give a damn if we had one.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Hundred million people in the Green Party. Guess what there?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
If I control the results, I control the voting, I
could dominate. I dominantly control the precincts.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I have the judges in court. I have the.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
If you're a Republican, you got the Republican judges in
the right places. If you're if you're a Democrat, you
have the Democratic judge in the right places. I have
the money influence, I have the backing, I have the longevity.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I don't give a damn.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
If you had one hundred million people vote for Joe Stein,
you will never or hell Jerick Gary Johnson.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You will never see that five percent that you need
to get party funding, because we know right now that
they're very willing to openly, to openly rig the system,
and we'll have absolutely no remorse for it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Now. I'm not saying you can't win.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
At the pre sing level. I'm not saying you can't
win at the state level. I'm not saying you can't
be a senator. I'm not saying you can't be a representative.
I'm not saying you can't win your scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm not saying that. It's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But to pretend that if we just gather numbers, now
I'm saying pretending to vacuum, if we just gather as
many numbers as possible, we'll get that five percent one
day would be being politically naive.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's not gonna happen. They're not gonna allow it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
The DNC and the RNC their corporations, and we all
know the corporation's goal is to make money, period point blank.
So on the dim exic side, that needs to be
a reality that y'all need to face.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So now we're gonna go back to the dim.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Interer sign why y'all should still be freak the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Uh Perez, as most.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Of you know, admitted that the primary was rigged, surprisingly enough,
because Keith Ellison would have I would have thought that
would have been Keith Ellison who would have admitted the
primary was rigged, considering that he's the one that Burner
supported considering that he's the one that old Bernie people
are backing. He's supposed to be the progressive, which he's not.
But that's a different discussion for a different day.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
You know. They people keep saying like, oh, you got
to settle for what you got. You know, you gotta
take what you get.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And to be quite honest with you, I'm not doing
the whole take what I can get through anymore. Now.
I'm not saying that people can't make mistakes. If you recall,
if you all know, I'm very I'm extremely pro to
stay solution, pro Palestine. I'm not down with the Israeli expansion.
If you all recall, Bernie Sanders voted at one point
in time for a bill that allowed the bombing of
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Gaza and a bunch of innocent people died, and he
had to make a swift apology for that when he
was running because he had fallacious intel, which unfortunately seems
to be going around a lot recently, and he thought
that things were happening and God's on the Gods strip
that weren't in fact happening.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And so I didn't reneg completely on my support for
Branson and Enters.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I didn't scorn him. I said, okay, so he's human too.
But guess what, at the end of the day, I
knew his intention. I knew his intention, and you know
how I can confirm his intention. He apologized for it,
and he clarifies, and he tells us how he's going
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to do it differently in the future. Now, Perez and
Ellison refused to apologize, refuse to call it what it is.
What's even scarier is that Perez in fact did call
it what it was, even citing the descent of the
Bernie supporters, and then turns around and said, nah, like
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four hours later, BSU not, this is about four hours
later he said, no, actually no, Hillary won a fairst
square That is literally the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Of what you said.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So why are you changing your mind now? I think
there should be some some perspective given on this. Now,
Remember the DNC is in the middle of a lawsuit.
That's an admission of guilt, sir h. And when he
gets called, especially giving that quote, when he gets called
to the bench and they're like, did y'all rig the election?
Especially given that the DNC has already said themselves their
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their lawyers.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Said that that that that We knew that they were
going to rig the election. That was obvious. So we
people still don't any money, so that was their defense.
So yeah, about that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So when he gets called to the stand, because then
doubtably after that little spill, he will he's when he
put that right hand in the Bible. The lawyers probably
like no. They called him and was like, no, you
can't say that.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Either the lawyers or.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
The establishment called him and said no, you can't say that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
You den deny, deny, deny, deny, deny.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Keith Ellison is supposed to be the progressive relatively, I guess,
and he can't say it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now. I understand how politics work. I understand you have
to play the game sometime, but this isn't politics.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
To play the game so you can win the majority
of a populace. You're trying to win delegates who have
a concentrated amount of power in the Democratic Party that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Is so strong that you're scared to say the wrong thing,
so you walk on eggshells and then expect us to
believe that you are the great bringer of change. Obviously,
and if in case, those of you, for those of
you who do not know this, the.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Democratic Party has a good habit, bad habit, depending on
who you are. They have a really consistent habit of
not having party chairs for too long. The chairs last
for one year, maybe two, and Clinton era, I think
he switched out to four or five the Democratic Party chairs,
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they just don't last long in general. So if either way,
and people I've talked to people about this, I don't
believe that Perez nor Ellison makes an impact enough to
stay in twenty through twenty eighteen. But the most important thing,
if you're an Ellison fan, if you're a progressive, if
you're doing the same thing. Which I hate to make
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this comparison, but let's be real, Bernie indoors Hillary Clinton also,
but that doesn't mean I'm gonna believe everything Bernie said,
tell do everything Bernie Sanders tells me to do. Bernie
Sanders has to play his game also, but I understand
his intentions, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So I don't believe the Elesen is exactly who he
says he is. But even if he was, which is
the more important thing, what can you do.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The same people you have to win over have the
same amount of power to vote you out, did you?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't know how people forgot.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That they can come to a consensus to kick your
ass out and you can't make any kind of change.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
They can come to a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Consensus to say, Bernie Sander, you're doing way too much
to help Bernie people.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Why are you playing fairly? Why won't you take set money?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Why are you appointing burning people to be you know,
VP or whatever. Why are you appointing burning people to
the committee? Why are you It's just there's a lot
of ways you can get voted out. So that amount
of concentration of power is what should scare the hell
out of people who are preaching them into.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Because at the end end of the day, he doesn't
have the power. We literally we we had half of
a half of a platform committee, if y'all don't remember,
a whole half, And they were like, nah, nah, I
don't give a damn.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
If you've got Colonel O West, you know, Captain Crunch,
you know Martin Luther King could have been sitting right
in that booth, and they were gonna be like, I
don't give a damn who you got. You're not getting
what you want out of.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
This party a platform form.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So I'm all about pragmatism and reality and I just
don't believe that Keith Ellison is nor Perez. I don't
think either of them can make any type of progressive
change in the way that we need, and I think
they're relying on them.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It's probably naive.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Also, just like just like that makes it believing that
they're like that, that that the two part system is
not in place and it's going to stay there for
as long as you know, we until a revolution, a
ridiculously crazy revolution happens. We need to also remember the
Democratic chair The chairs have only had as much power
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as the Democratic leader of that time gives them.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
W Y Scherman Schultz was the was was Hillary's little
golden child obviously right, That's why Hillary was allowed to win. Uh.
Howard Howard Dean, I believe that's his name. Howard Dean
was one of the original people who were going to run.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
UH.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
He was.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Mostly unbiased, but he also was about preserving the Democratic Party,
which is why he allowed Barack Obama to win.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And people don't.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Understand, UH that did have a lot to do with
Barack Obama beating Hillary.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Claim.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like I said, Bill Clinton himself went through several DNC
chair people. So the effectiveness of a DNC chair is
often delegated by the leader of the party. Now, I
would love to say that Bernie Sanders is the leader
of Democratic Party, but berniey Center is still independent. I
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would like to say that Tolci is the leader of
the party, but they're shunning Tolsi. So at this very moment,
Keith Ellison would be at the will of the voting
the voting members of the Democratic Committee, which would be
that delegation, because there's nobody that he is directly reporting to,
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if you will, even if he is an officially working
for them, there's nobody that he is directly reporting to,
and so any progressive move he makes, it's going to
be met with fierce opposition. But also, which is kind
of fortunate for some people, for Perez, any progress, any
establishment move he makes, will also be met with fierce
I position opposition because we know that there are Bernie
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delegates that are still going to fight him tooth and
nail no matter what he does.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So, uh, I think I think that that that that
needs to be understood by the Demantic people. So now
we're gonna go back to the dem exit.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Uh I really I don't want to say I really
I don't want to sound mean when I say this,
because you'll have to understand, y'all. I love Jama Baraka,
I love Jill Stein. I love the Green Party and
what they did and what they're trying to do. But
we also have to realize that the Green Party they're
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a little disorganized.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They're a little disorganist. A lot of people didn't exited
they went to the Green Party.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Uh, they're a little disorganized. And I'm not gonna speak
on all the details because some legally, I don't want
to get anybody in trouble because it's to that point
and they're still finding themselves. That doesn't mean they won't
find themselves, because let's be clear. Also, the Democratic Party
isn't disorganized, but they've been disorganized for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So it's a little bit more okay.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know, it's like that old guy at work who's
always getting it wrong, but he got tenured. That's what
the Democratic Party is, and you're the new person who
can't afford to mess up at all, and.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
We've seen a few missteps along the way.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, I respect justin like I said, I respect the
John Brock, I respect the Green Party, but you're trying
to take a group into the Promised Land, who also
have in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
They're set in their ways, and I don't know if
they're unified enough, because it's just as a habit of
the left, they splinter themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
There's an intern a bottle with the Green Party right
now a lot of people aren't aware of. I'm not
going to detail about it because just bad blood. It
would be too much bad blood and people going back
and forth, because that's not really the point. It's just
there's a lot of internal conflict and no unification. The
same issues that are going on within the Democratic Party,
who's already established, are going on right now within the
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Green Party, where if you're the Green Party, you can't
afford any missteps. And that's just the reality. It's cold,
it's hard, but it's the truth. You cannot afford mixed
steps if you are.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
The Green Party and.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The dim exit people, if you are the ones who
say let's go green, green, green, green, they're the only answer,
They're the only answer.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The Green Party is not the only answer. The Democratic
Party is not the only answer. The Libertarian Party is
not the only answer. The Republican Party is not the
only answer. The same way I will tell somebody the
dim intergroup the Democratic Party is not the sole solution
to this situation because if you think about it, if
they win, say.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
If they do win, if they do happen to get ninety.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Percent of the people to come back, which they desperately need,
because if you don't know, they lost twenty percent of
the Democratic Party during the them exit, which people did
not think was a big deal. I don't understand how
you thought losing twenty percent, fourteen million people left the
Democratic Party and they thought that that wasn't going to
affect the outcome of the general election and their congressional districts.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
And the senorial like that is a huge number.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But if everybody said we're all getting behind the dem menser,
we're all getting behind them, to what incentive at that
point did the Democratic have to reform?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yes, you can.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Reform at levels, because there's a lot of levels to this.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You can reform at the precinct.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But until they feel the heat, until people start losing jobs,
until political consultants aren't getting hired anymore, because that's.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
A big deal. People don't get that.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But political consulting is a pretty pretty profitable business, and
people like winning because when.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You win, you get paid and you get caught up again.
You got to start holding feet to fire and eventually
they're going to say we can't win without them anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
The largest party in the country got reduced fourteen million
this election, So you have to hold your feet to
the fire. So no, for the Democratic answer people, you
know that's not one hundred percent the answer. But the
them exit is for the people saying only Green Party. No,
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that's not at all the answer either, that's not the
only answer.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
What you probably need. No, not probably, I'm telling you
both parties need to be being built up.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
What you need for a success that's full progressive takeover,
because I understand some people want to be Democrats, because
it's just that the regional nature of the country, the
way people the democraptics work in this country, it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
May just literally be impossible for you to have a
Democratic party are a Green Party because the infrastructure isn't
there yet. And you want to then have a Democratic.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Party but very progressive side of the Democratic Party, which
I'm perfectly fine with whatever you're going to have, But.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
There are going to be Green Party people near you,
and if you're in a state such as Michigan, for example.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
After the primaries are over, or after even if there
is a general election, perhaps maybe you guys you work together.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Perhaps maybe if it looks.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Like the Democratic person has a stronger infrastructure, or the
Green Party person have a stronger infrastructure, the progressive Democrats,
or because not everybody who's a Democrat is running for office,
nor do they have a cana that they like. So
if you're a Democrat and you're all about dem inntor
because you want to reform the party, your party isn't
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the only one that needs help. You're party not the
only progressive ish party that needs help. What you have
to then do is suck up your pride, say, look,
I'm a Democrat, but I want to don't want to
see this, uh, this district fall into neo conservative hands.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
So let's work together. I will take the resources that
I've gathered.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know, I don't I don't like my candidate, the
Democratic candidate, or you know, maybe they're just not a
Democratic candidate running and somebody in the Green Party was
bold enough to run, like you put your resources behind
that person, and you put your party aside. There are ways,
and most of it the reason we haven't been able
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to come to the conclusion that we need to because
everybody's fighting, whether it's dem Exit, whether it's dem inntor
whether it's Green Party, whether it's Democratic Party, some people, Libertarian.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Party, hell even at the local levels.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You have to understand the Democratic Party and the Green
Party are both going to fail if they don't learn
how to embrace each other. Embrace the differences and understand
the differences, but understand the similarities. And I believe, I
honestly believe the majority of the Democratic Party, considering how
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many votes Bernie Sanders got in the primary election, we
can go to say that at least have I would
venture to say, giving the rigging situation, at least more
of the Democratic parties is progressive, does want to do
the right thing. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.
And so when you have situations like that, if you're
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in a Republican district and you're a Green Party member,
or you're a Democratic member, or if you're a Democratic
person and you see a Green Party member running or
vice versa, go out and you start building from the
precinct up period.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Damn the party politics.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Because there's going to be a point, hopefully once we
get ranked choice voting and all that good stuff passed,
where you can then be about your party again, you know,
have fun, be you know, patriots versus falcons again. I
don't care, because you know, ultimately we're going to see
the same we want to. I want to see baseline
ethics held at a point like the details that's a
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lot of the time. The details are what separates the
Green Party. The moral detailser what separates the Green Party
and the Democratic Party, the progressives from both parties because
because they don't even see how to eye, the progressives
from both party don't.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
See how to eye. And so when you get to
the point where you have a.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Moral baselines, when we get to the point where our
system is not rigged anymore, we get to the point
where the system is accessible to all part parties, the
debate stage is accessible to all parties.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
You can go back to party politics once.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I want to say it, I don't want to say it,
but this Republican Party, this neo conservative nonsense, they need
to go once we get them out, and even have
some sensible conservatives in like reasonable actually fiscal conservatives, because
like in some states, fiscal conservatism is necessary. I completely understand,
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not that super how they do these Christian or cross
bearing flag rapping, gun tote and nonsense, the racist rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I don't want throw those conservatives. I don't want throw
these conservatives out.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
But once they're out, then we can get back to
party politics and we can argue about.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
The details, not about right and wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Like literally, we're at that point where I think is
right and wrong? Like why do I have to explain
to you why banning Muslims from countries that never have
attacked us, so no indication of attack attacking us, and.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
You're banning people with VISUS is wrong? Do I have
to Why don't I have to tell why we have
to have a debate about that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's the type of people we need out and we
can get that to that point. But believing that one
answer is the holistically right answer is wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You have to seek out the people in your area.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I don't tell me it's impossible, because I know that's
probably people are gonna watch the video letter and.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Say, nah, the Green Party doesn't want to work with us,
the Democratic Party doesn't want to work with us.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
The group Jill Stein knew damn well that I worked
with Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I introduced her in the speech.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
The Green Party knew I worked with Bernie Sanders, the
Democratic Party know that I work with the Green Party,
and yet both of them constantly reach out back out
to me so that we can work together because they know.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
That it isn't.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I don't really give a damn what color you are
at the end of the day, as far as your
party is concerned, I care about what you stay for
as a person, and what you stand for.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
In this area and how you are planning to benefit
this area or a.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Group of people, whether you're Democrat, Green Party or conservative.
A conservative reached out to me and said, I want
you to give a speech.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Guess what.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I'm going to go give a speech if I understand
that his intentions are pure. Now, you're not gonna Ben
Carson me make me the Uncle Tom of the group.
But I'm not going to I'm not gonna I'm not
going to suppress progress because I disagree with you on
some things. Maybe he disagrees with the person disagrees with
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me on on affirmative action, but he still believes the
minimum wage should be raised because he sees how it's
affected their community. Guess what I'm going to go give
the most passionate speech I can about raising that minimum
wage and why no matter what race, color, ethnicity, religion,
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you are.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Minimum wage and livelihood is a right. I mean lively.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Being able to maintain your livelihood, to have an opportunity
to maintain your livelihood is an absolute right.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I don't care if you're conservative or not.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So once we stop being so divisive, we will finally
see things getting done that we have never been able
to achieve its progressives before.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Because I always tell you all, the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Great unifying factor behind both establishments is money. It's very
easy to unite people behind money. It's very easy to
unite people behind blind ambition. But the progressive side of
both the Democratic Party and the Green Party, everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Believes their issue is the most important issue at that time.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
We have to deal with racism first, We have to
deal with the economy. We have to deal with the
environment first. You're not vegan, so I don't like you.
You're not vegetarians, but I don't like you. How do
you kill these cow We gotta deal with you know,
Miami's flooding, it's everybody's issue is the most important at
the time, so you feel like I can't help this
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person work on their issue. But what we have to
understand is most of our issues are are.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
We can work we can work with if we work together,
like we can fix all of those issues simultaneously. If
we just said, Okay, what's your goal. I want progress.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I want to equal our equity of opportunity. I want
racism going, I want sexism going, I want.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Equity that guess what, I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Which one of those comes first, I don't know, but
we'll figure that out afterwards. But first, let's put ourselves
into positions to make that change. Then we can hash
it out once we get there.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That is a fact.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's kind of interesting because I feel like I'm explaining
kindergarten logic. You know, you gotta I feel like I'm
having like a Barney moment right now, where explain people, you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Gotta work together if you ever want to get anything done,
Like I feel like this is common sense.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
If it's literally a game of divide and conquer that's
being played against both of you all, because guess what,
I don't give a damn about what the Democratic Party
is saying the Green Party has been just a divisive
If you ever utter the words Democratic Party, they want
to castrate you.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
And sometimes.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I feel like that too with some of how some
of your Democratic Party people get. But that's not the
majority of Democratic Party members.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That is not the majority of Green Party members, I
promise you.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And it's easy for you want to get really hyped
when you're on Facebook and social media and your little
instant messengers whatever however you communicate. But when you get
in front of each other and you get a feel
for each other, and y'all realize at the end of
the day you really want the same thing, all of
a sudden, you can start bridging those gaps.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
All of a sudden, you can.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Start working towards the goal that you wanted, regardless regardless
of party affiliation.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I know, for a fact, I don't know that many
Green Party members in Miami yet. However, I do know
for a fact that if.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I decided to run the twenty third district of Florida,
that's Watchman Show's district, by the way.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But if I decide to run for w Washerman Shows,
districts run against her.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Whereas most people wouldn't even think about joining her. Guess what,
I know that Green Party people would put their weight behind.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Me to see me beat her.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Because I'm not going to go and ask for the
support of the Green Party.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's not what I'm going for. I'm going to ask
for your support.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I'm going to ask for the support of those who
want to see moral righteousness prevail.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's sometimes it's like with with sports.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Sometimes you gotta get back to fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Sometimes you gotta be the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's boring, it's it's not always flashy, but you gotta
get out on those precincts and you gotta you gotta,
you gotta put you gotta put LaMarcus, Audridge and Gasol
on the same team, even though they don't hang out
each other, don't like each other, don't have anything in
comment other than being on the Spurs and wanting.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
The same goal of getting a ring. We may not
be from the same background.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
After we get this ring together, we may not even
still be on the same team.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
But let's go get the rings period.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Let's work together now so we can both celebrate and
we can both have better.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Control of our destinies.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
And if you don't know anything about sports, once you
get a ring, you definitely have a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Control of your destiny. So that's what we have to do.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
So a couple of more things for both of them,
enter and dim exit because like I said, I'm trying
to give you all the facts, because the truth of
the matter is, it really depends on where you're at
whether you should dim enter or dim exit.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You need to go to your Democratic Party meetings. You
need to go to your Green Party meetings.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Shit, some of you might not even go to Republican
meetings because you might have some reasonable Republicans around and.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
You have to fill out the situation.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Don't assume you know how the Democratic Party in your
district is, because if you knowing what you know about
Debute Washerman shows, she would assume that the Democratic Party
in Florida is like that. I'm telling you'll not with
a lot of them yesterday. They are not like Debbute
Washerman shows. They're extremely progressive. And I actually do not
believe Debue Washerman Show's actually won to keep it to
keep it around.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I don't think she actually won.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So you can't presume to know your party before you
know your party. The Democratic Party of the Green Party
is a banner. But the people, the areas are all different,
every single one of them.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
So go get to work.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Stop relying on Facebook to decide whether you're going to
dim inter or dim exit because guess what, California has
done a damn good job realistically of them inter and
they're dominating bie Bernie.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Cresseer dominated California right now. The establishments running like chicken
with their head cut off. It is fabs.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
So I'm sure you all saw a key indicator of
that is that that Ellison is winning over.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
There was an article talking about Ellison winning.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Over California recently, which that's supposed to be the area
that Hillary Clinton was just so you know, unbeatable in
the establishment was so unbeatable in so But on the
other side of that fence, look at Michigan. Michigan had
Green Party candidates win Michigan. Did them exit successfully because
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they were corrupt, they were establishment, they were in a
Republican state. So to to the with the with the
minority Democrat party that had most of his power concentrated into.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
A few people, why then would you throw your little
bit of weight by it.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
They're like, no, we're just gonna dim exit and we're
gonna build up the Green Party there, and the Michigan's
Green Party is legit, it's super legit.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
They're too legit to quit. So understand, if you don't
know your precinct, don't talk to me about either them
enter or dim exit. Don't even ask my opinion.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Go find out yourself, figure it out, feel out the
situation if you want to ask me about Okay, this
is what I experience.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Which one do you think is a better idea? Because
you went out, you hopped your butt off the couch,
you got off your.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Damn I phone in your computer, and you went and
went to a party meeting, You went to a precinct meeting,
you went to a district whatever. You talk to the
potential candidates.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
For both parties you've been reading up.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Then you can talk to me about them them exited,
them enter because, as a cliche goes, all politics are local.
And guess what if we paid attention to details instead
of trying to generalize how we should deal with these
situations politically, then baby, perhaps we can get some shit done.
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Because guess what the establishment is paying attention to details.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Believe that believe they have those bylaws, what they can
get away with and what they can't get away with,
front and back, memorized.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Believe they have the estimates. This is how many people
show up to this meeting. We don't have to worry
about them. We'll get to how many people show up
to this meeting.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
We know we can't we know, we know. They know
what parades are going on. This is not this is
not a joke. They know what paraise and events are.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Going on in your town to plan meetings knowing that
none of you all will show up so they can
pass bylaws, get people elected in the little local committees,
and you find out a week later because you were
at the little Botai cultural event or you wanted to
go to the to the food event and your city downtown.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
This is really what they do. It happened in North
Carolina recently with hk On. But all politics are locals.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
So if they're going to be paying atitation to the details,
you have to be one step better and out smart them.
Because the one detail or the one thing that they
aren't going to do that you, if you want to win,
are going to be willing to do is say, hey,
Green Party, I don't like the Democrats. That I'm working with,
and there's a lot of us who don't like the
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Democrats that we're working with. So we want to take
over this district that we want to take over this area,
but we're going to need help. Maybe I become Green
Party afterwards, maybe not. Maybe you become Democrat after maybe not.
But we can get them out, we can take away
the power from them, and then at least at that
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point we can make autonomous decisions and I will be
in control of my Progressive Democratic Party and you will
have a little bit more help whenever it comes down
to it. Because there's there's plenty of believe it or not,
there are plenty of offices to go around.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
School board, there's you know, there's there's I mean, the
list goes on.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I don't want to go into all that, but there's
plenty of offices to go around, especially if you're in
big cities.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's compromised. There's a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
There's a lot of ways issue I'm even compromising. If
Tosi had decide, if totally decided to run in twenty twenty,
obviously I'm not going to run against her in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
That would be kind of selfish of me.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Right, Obviously I'm not going to run as a Green
Party candidate so I can try to hurt her chances
of winning.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Why would I do that.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's selfish, That's not teamwork, that's selfish blind ambition.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
We have to work together.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
If I have to sacrifice what I was planning on
doing so that the movement can progress the revolution, then
absolutely there's nothing. So that is the moral of the
story for today, ladies and gentlemen. I gave you the facts,
not all because we can be here all day talking
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about why you should enter, why you should exit, but
at least you all know you have a little bit
more scope. Ultimately, the Democratic the dim enter is about
reforming the party from the ground up at the precing level. Ultimately,
the dim exit is not a bunch of people expecting
people to be morally perfect, despite popular belief. What they
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are looking for ultimately is intention. What are your intentions.
Are you remorseful for your mistakes and explain to me
how you plan on changing that and if you're not
going to present that and we don't have anything else
further to talk.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
About, that is what the dem exits as based off of.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
If you can't keep your party in check. Why would
I then try to go in and try to change them.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
You can't even do anything about it, so dem exit them. Answer.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Both answers are right, both answers are wrong, but you
are not going to know with which ones right or
wrong until you get your ass up off the couch
and off of Facebook and go find out yourself.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I think we're all agreeing to that, right.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
So with that being said, it's about that time for me,
ladies and gentlemen. It has been an absolute pleasure. So
I'm glad we had this conversation. I hope that people
became more educated because of it, and please like and share.
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Most of you all know I am in the process. Well,
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In the process of getting the studio together. I'm trying
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At twenty eight years old trying to do everything myself
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Speaker 1 (52:55):
So have a fantastic evening and always remember find your balance.
I'm a good night
Welcome to mess Ukasa. I am your host Nico House.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And tonight, if you are watching, we have a special
edition of mikasas Sukasa. Due to the unforgiving traffic of
Miami Dade County, I will be broadcasting from my vehicle,
So if you're happen to drive by me on the
highway from my Miami followers, give me a little beat
beat in a little too, too, because we're gonna We're
gonna talk about some real things tonight, some things that
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have kind of been danced around, some things.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That need to be discussed.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And my job tonight isn't to persuade you one way
or the other. But what I would like to do
is give you the information to help you make an
educated decision for yourself and therefore ultimately helping you make
the right decision.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Because the path to victory.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Especially when we were talking about politics, it's absolutely found
through different avenues.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And so my job is.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To is to to help you you find whatever way
is the best way for you, as long as that
way is once again foundationalized and educated, is educated decision
making in facts. So dim exit or dim entered, Lord knows,
that is the question of possibly a lifetime because the
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outcome of this debate could very well determine the outcome
of the future of our democracy. As we know, the
dim exit movement started because of how the Democratic Party
treated Bernie Sanders. Then they treated Senator Needa Turner horribly
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at the convention, they treated their constituents horribly.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
The people that they represented, they had.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Super delegates who supported Bernie Sanders are assuming who completely
ignored the states that supported Bernie says that they were
voting against the interests of the states. And so it
was a compilation of all these events that ended up
leading to the Democratic exit.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And so after the election is over, Uh, we.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Have seen the Democratic dim enter or Democratic Party entrance. UH.
And they whether people agree with them or disagree with them,
they believe that it is possible to completely reform the
Democratic Party and make it progressive and uh, you know,
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fill it full of berniicrats essentially.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Like I said, the possibility of that is at this
point unknown.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I say it's unknown.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Because the reality of the situation is there is there
is a stronghold in the key positions, uh, in the
Democratic Party and the Democratic National Committee and so on.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And I mean any.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Important office in the Democratic Party. They're essentially being holed
by establishment people who will know how to play the
game well and keep progressives out.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's the reality of the situation. Now, does that mean
that we should leave the Democratic Party alone and leave
them to be corrupt?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You're talking about this at this very moment, the second
most powerful party in the country that has a lot
of influence politically, socially, and financially, and that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
That reality needs to be very understood.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Morally, we do want to automatically say that we don't
want anything to do with the Democratic Party whatsoever. And
the truth of the matter is that might not be
the right answer because morally, yes, we do want to
do the right thing, but in context, we want to
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do the right thing in the right way.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So some people believe the moral thing to do is
to leave the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Some people believe the moral thing to do is to join,
rejoin the Democratic Party and take it in from the
ground up. So I'm gonna go ahead and clarify what
them inter is because there have been a lot of
people in the dim inter movement who feel which is
this is?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Which is true?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Actually from what they've what they've been telling me, and
the responses that I got in the poll that I
took earlier today on my personal Facebook status, there seems
to be a miscodification of what democratic interer is or misunderstanding.
So they asked me to clarify that for you, and
I told them that I'll be more than happy to
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And what democratic inter dem enter is is taking over
the party from the ground up so that it can
be progressive again. Now I don't think it's like people
some people believe from what I've read, that the them
entry just take over are rejoin the party and do
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anything you can to be the Republicans and Donald Trump,
or rejoin the party and vote blue. Uh, you know,
no matter what. But that's not in essence what the
the democratic the dem ter is. So that was asked
of me to clarify, and so I absolutely have no
problem giving clarification. Because if we're gonna if we're gonna
deal with these these issues that there needs to be
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scope given, we can to just just.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Start arguing it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
If we don't know what we're arguing about, then we're never.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Gonna get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So but once again, because this is an objective discussion,
we need to keep it very honest about what them
exit as a result of and why people feel so
strongly about them exit. We can we can obviously point
to the obvious, which is the corruption within the DNC
during the primaries, but.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Let's talk about the fact.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
That it is not just the establishment that you were
battling against. I know, when I say establishment, I mean
the politician. Is not just establishment politicians that you were
battling against. Representative Tulci. Representative Gabbert went to Syria, as
most of us know what is being called now a
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secret trip. I didn't think it was that secret. She
went to Syria.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean, she's a grown woman, she com made.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Her own decisions, she's a congresswoman. Like I didn't think
it was that big of a deal. But she went
to Syria.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
This is why I didn't think it was that big
of a deal.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
If you know, a lot of people have been to
Syria in the past and it was never a big deal.
Like they didn't go through some big hullabaloo about like
why you're going.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Why were you there, who are you talking to? Who?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You all? Like, So that was.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's why it was hard for me to codify that
as being a secret right because when she came back,
she told everybody so, and she she was excited tell everybody.
She was excited to go people to tell people about
the conversation that she had.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Here's the issue.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We know that Democrats were going to do whatever they could,
you know, because of Obama's legacy with Syria and the
military industrial complex that a lot of these Democratic Party
members are funded by.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They're not going to take the side of Tulsi. And
I say the side of Toulsi instead of the side
of aside, because the side.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Of Toulsi is peace in humanity. In this particular case,
piece of humanity does not make people money.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So the slander began.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But what's even more important is where the slander came from,
which is CNN started slandering her business Business Weekly or
Business Insider started slandering her. Washington Post. Josh Rogan from
Washington Post wrote, wrote a ridiculously disrespectful and disparaging article
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about Toulsi Gabbard. I'm alluding to things that I'm want
to really repeat on the radio. But it just was
not It wasn't an objective. It really none of the
discussion except for a few independent sources of course, but
none of the discussions about Tolci's trip to Syria were unbiased,
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which worries me because, well, like I said before, trips
have been made to Syria prior to Senator our Representative
Gabbert going. And she literally said, which is what I
would expect anyone who wants pieces. She's like, I went
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there to have a conversation because I'm tired of seeing
innocent people get killed. In what world do you come
back and you say this that that statement, obviously your
actions have followed.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean you've been the standing rock where.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You stood up for innocent people and you know, you
stood up against big money interests and protected the people
in the water that they that they need to live.
You've showed consistently over the last couple of years that
this is your ultimate goal is to protect the innocent.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
When you say I want to stop terrorists from being
funded by the United States, I want to know exactly
how they've.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Been funding and where that money has been going to,
and what has a United States funding of terrorism?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
What does that led to.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
When you say things like I want children to stop dying,
I want them to stop stop asking me why are
we funding terrorist groups, why are we bombing them? When
you say things like I literally I just want peace.
I want the Syrian people to have peace, and I
want to talk to whoever I has to talk to
to reach a conclusion. Maybe it's not the one hundred
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percent conclusion that I want that I would like, But
isn't diplomacy talking to someone that you don't agree with
so that y'all can reach a mutual understanding. So whenever
these are the quotes that you see over and over
again from from from Tulsi's meeting with UH with a.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
SOD and it worries the hell out of me.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That these publications are being backed by people who obviously
are in line with the Democratic Party, the Democratic establishment,
the military industrial complex. They can slander anyone who stands
up to the Democratic Party, even as someone as popular
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as Tulsi.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
The people said it was so easy to to take
down Bernie in.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Publications because he's an old white guy and you know
he's been there forever, so it's easy to do that.
But when you can take down a minority woman, and
oddly enough, all the.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
People who are I'm with her, I'm you know, we
gotta stand by our women.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
No matter what, we got to stand by Democratic Party members,
no matter what vote blue on matter what CNN attackses
Tolci Gabbert, business insider attacks Uh, Toulci Gabert, Uh what
Washington Post attacks her? And all of a sudden, these
people who are saying that anything negative said about Hillary Clinton,
it's sexist. But Toulci is literally trying to stop people
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from being murdered and bombed and stop trying to stop
terrorist from being funded is being slaughtered and not I don't,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm on the internet a lot, and I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Hear any dissent by the feminist majority that is Hillary
Clinton supporters.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Now that's scary to me.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
If you're if you're a dementor person, that should freak
you the hell out. Legitimately freak you out, because let's
be very clear, media.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Obviously control the outcome of this left media.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The media had people legitimately believing that Bernie Sanders was
not a civil rights activist. The media legitimately had people
believing that Toulci Gabbert not totally gab excuse me, that
Bernie Sanders was a sexist, was a misogynist. The media
had people believing that there was no type of protest
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going outside of the DNC convention. The media was used
to propagate Donald Trump's presidency. The media was used to
suppress the reality of a Hillary Clinton's past and her
future if she were to win presidents, presidents, the presidency.
So that should scare you because we know how effective
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the media has been.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And although you may be progressive, although.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You may be able to you're you are aware and
you can attract other light like minded individuals. The simple
fact of the matter is you have to be able
to prove that people, if they decided to do them enter,
are not going to waste their time.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That is what it ultimately comes down to, that they're
not going to waste their time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now, on the other side of that coin, for the
dem Exic people, we're gonna go back to Demanic intersecond.
But for the dem Exic people, we need to face
the reality.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That this is a two party system.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's a two party system now, it's gonna be a
two party system next week. If you remember, like I said,
for the dim inter people, which is something they should
be worried about, the establishment has done a very good
job making it extremely complex, nearly impossible for progressives to
take over their parties from the inside, because you have
to know the people, you have to be able to
put them in power.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You have to be able to to affect the rules.
You have to be able to change the by laws.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You have to be able to have the money to
back you, and you have to be able to proposition
someone else you know that quit pro quote. So for
dem exit people that want to believe that the Green
Party is the only way or total independence is the
only way, you might want to rethink that because I'm
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telling you legally, just everything happens so fast during an
election that you could be proven righte every year. Yes,
the election was stolen, but they're not going to renig
the presidency.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So we still have lawsuits active right now, as you
all know.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I mean, I was part of the group of people
that starts.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The DNC lawsuit. We're still dealing with it. We're still
dealing with the DNC lawsuit. So we need to face
the reality that the Democrat A Party Republican Party do
technically dominate. This is a two party system, and yes,
we do want a system that you know that is
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open and accessible to all parties. But the reality of
the situation is it's not the case right now. As
much as we want to pretend that we can build
up the Green Party to twenty thirty million, and we can,
I don't give a damn if we had one.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Hundred million people in the Green Party. Guess what there?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
If I control the results, I control the voting, I
could dominate. I dominantly control the precincts.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I have the judges in court. I have the.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
If you're a Republican, you got the Republican judges in
the right places. If you're if you're a Democrat, you
have the Democratic judge in the right places. I have
the money influence, I have the backing, I have the longevity.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I don't give a damn.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
If you had one hundred million people vote for Joe Stein,
you will never or hell Jerick Gary Johnson.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You will never see that five percent that you need
to get party funding, because we know right now that
they're very willing to openly, to openly rig the system,
and we'll have absolutely no remorse for it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Now. I'm not saying you can't win.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
At the pre sing level. I'm not saying you can't
win at the state level. I'm not saying you can't
be a senator. I'm not saying you can't be a representative.
I'm not saying you can't win your scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm not saying that. It's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But to pretend that if we just gather numbers, now
I'm saying pretending to vacuum, if we just gather as
many numbers as possible, we'll get that five percent one
day would be being politically naive.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's not gonna happen. They're not gonna allow it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
The DNC and the RNC their corporations, and we all
know the corporation's goal is to make money, period point blank.
So on the dim exic side, that needs to be
a reality that y'all need to face.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So now we're gonna go back to the dim.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Interer sign why y'all should still be freak the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Uh Perez, as most.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Of you know, admitted that the primary was rigged, surprisingly enough,
because Keith Ellison would have I would have thought that
would have been Keith Ellison who would have admitted the
primary was rigged, considering that he's the one that Burner
supported considering that he's the one that old Bernie people
are backing. He's supposed to be the progressive, which he's not.
But that's a different discussion for a different day.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
You know. They people keep saying like, oh, you got
to settle for what you got. You know, you gotta
take what you get.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And to be quite honest with you, I'm not doing
the whole take what I can get through anymore. Now.
I'm not saying that people can't make mistakes. If you recall,
if you all know, I'm very I'm extremely pro to
stay solution, pro Palestine. I'm not down with the Israeli expansion.
If you all recall, Bernie Sanders voted at one point
in time for a bill that allowed the bombing of
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Gaza and a bunch of innocent people died, and he
had to make a swift apology for that when he
was running because he had fallacious intel, which unfortunately seems
to be going around a lot recently, and he thought
that things were happening and God's on the Gods strip
that weren't in fact happening.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And so I didn't reneg completely on my support for
Branson and Enters.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I didn't scorn him. I said, okay, so he's human too.
But guess what, at the end of the day, I
knew his intention. I knew his intention, and you know
how I can confirm his intention. He apologized for it,
and he clarifies, and he tells us how he's going
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to do it differently in the future. Now, Perez and
Ellison refused to apologize, refuse to call it what it is.
What's even scarier is that Perez in fact did call
it what it was, even citing the descent of the
Bernie supporters, and then turns around and said, nah, like
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four hours later, BSU not, this is about four hours
later he said, no, actually no, Hillary won a fairst
square That is literally the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Of what you said.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So why are you changing your mind now? I think
there should be some some perspective given on this. Now,
Remember the DNC is in the middle of a lawsuit.
That's an admission of guilt, sir h. And when he
gets called, especially giving that quote, when he gets called
to the bench and they're like, did y'all rig the election?
Especially given that the DNC has already said themselves their
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their lawyers.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Said that that that that We knew that they were
going to rig the election. That was obvious. So we
people still don't any money, so that was their defense.
So yeah, about that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So when he gets called to the stand, because then
doubtably after that little spill, he will he's when he
put that right hand in the Bible. The lawyers probably
like no. They called him and was like, no, you
can't say that.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Either the lawyers or.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
The establishment called him and said no, you can't say that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
You den deny, deny, deny, deny, deny.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Keith Ellison is supposed to be the progressive relatively, I guess,
and he can't say it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now. I understand how politics work. I understand you have
to play the game sometime, but this isn't politics.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
To play the game so you can win the majority
of a populace. You're trying to win delegates who have
a concentrated amount of power in the Democratic Party that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Is so strong that you're scared to say the wrong thing,
so you walk on eggshells and then expect us to
believe that you are the great bringer of change. Obviously,
and if in case, those of you, for those of
you who do not know this, the.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Democratic Party has a good habit, bad habit, depending on
who you are. They have a really consistent habit of
not having party chairs for too long. The chairs last
for one year, maybe two, and Clinton era, I think
he switched out to four or five the Democratic Party chairs,
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they just don't last long in general. So if either way,
and people I've talked to people about this, I don't
believe that Perez nor Ellison makes an impact enough to
stay in twenty through twenty eighteen. But the most important thing,
if you're an Ellison fan, if you're a progressive, if
you're doing the same thing. Which I hate to make
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this comparison, but let's be real, Bernie indoors Hillary Clinton also,
but that doesn't mean I'm gonna believe everything Bernie said,
tell do everything Bernie Sanders tells me to do. Bernie
Sanders has to play his game also, but I understand
his intentions, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
So I don't believe the Elesen is exactly who he
says he is. But even if he was, which is
the more important thing, what can you do.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The same people you have to win over have the
same amount of power to vote you out, did you?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't know how people forgot.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That they can come to a consensus to kick your
ass out and you can't make any kind of change.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
They can come to a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Consensus to say, Bernie Sander, you're doing way too much
to help Bernie people.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Why are you playing fairly? Why won't you take set money?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Why are you appointing burning people to be you know,
VP or whatever. Why are you appointing burning people to
the committee? Why are you It's just there's a lot
of ways you can get voted out. So that amount
of concentration of power is what should scare the hell
out of people who are preaching them into.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Because at the end end of the day, he doesn't
have the power. We literally we we had half of
a half of a platform committee, if y'all don't remember,
a whole half, And they were like, nah, nah, I
don't give a damn.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
If you've got Colonel O West, you know, Captain Crunch,
you know Martin Luther King could have been sitting right
in that booth, and they were gonna be like, I
don't give a damn who you got. You're not getting
what you want out of.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
This party a platform form.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So I'm all about pragmatism and reality and I just
don't believe that Keith Ellison is nor Perez. I don't
think either of them can make any type of progressive
change in the way that we need, and I think
they're relying on them.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It's probably naive.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Also, just like just like that makes it believing that
they're like that, that that the two part system is
not in place and it's going to stay there for
as long as you know, we until a revolution, a
ridiculously crazy revolution happens. We need to also remember the
Democratic chair The chairs have only had as much power
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as the Democratic leader of that time gives them.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
W Y Scherman Schultz was the was was Hillary's little
golden child obviously right, That's why Hillary was allowed to win. Uh.
Howard Howard Dean, I believe that's his name. Howard Dean
was one of the original people who were going to run.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
UH.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
He was.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Mostly unbiased, but he also was about preserving the Democratic Party,
which is why he allowed Barack Obama to win.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And people don't.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Understand, UH that did have a lot to do with
Barack Obama beating Hillary.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Claim.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like I said, Bill Clinton himself went through several DNC
chair people. So the effectiveness of a DNC chair is
often delegated by the leader of the party. Now, I
would love to say that Bernie Sanders is the leader
of Democratic Party, but berniey Center is still independent. I
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would like to say that Tolci is the leader of
the party, but they're shunning Tolsi. So at this very moment,
Keith Ellison would be at the will of the voting
the voting members of the Democratic Committee, which would be
that delegation, because there's nobody that he is directly reporting to,
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if you will, even if he is an officially working
for them, there's nobody that he is directly reporting to,
and so any progressive move he makes, it's going to
be met with fierce opposition. But also, which is kind
of fortunate for some people, for Perez, any progress, any
establishment move he makes, will also be met with fierce
I position opposition because we know that there are Bernie
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delegates that are still going to fight him tooth and
nail no matter what he does.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So, uh, I think I think that that that that
needs to be understood by the Demantic people. So now
we're gonna go back to the dem exit.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Uh I really I don't want to say I really
I don't want to sound mean when I say this,
because you'll have to understand, y'all. I love Jama Baraka,
I love Jill Stein. I love the Green Party and
what they did and what they're trying to do. But
we also have to realize that the Green Party they're
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a little disorganized.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
They're a little disorganist. A lot of people didn't exited
they went to the Green Party.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Uh, they're a little disorganized. And I'm not gonna speak
on all the details because some legally, I don't want
to get anybody in trouble because it's to that point
and they're still finding themselves. That doesn't mean they won't
find themselves, because let's be clear. Also, the Democratic Party
isn't disorganized, but they've been disorganized for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So it's a little bit more okay.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know, it's like that old guy at work who's
always getting it wrong, but he got tenured. That's what
the Democratic Party is, and you're the new person who
can't afford to mess up at all, and.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
We've seen a few missteps along the way.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, I respect justin like I said, I respect the
John Brock, I respect the Green Party, but you're trying
to take a group into the Promised Land, who also
have in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
They're set in their ways, and I don't know if
they're unified enough, because it's just as a habit of
the left, they splinter themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
There's an intern a bottle with the Green Party right
now a lot of people aren't aware of. I'm not
going to detail about it because just bad blood. It
would be too much bad blood and people going back
and forth, because that's not really the point. It's just
there's a lot of internal conflict and no unification. The
same issues that are going on within the Democratic Party,
who's already established, are going on right now within the
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Green Party, where if you're the Green Party, you can't
afford any missteps. And that's just the reality. It's cold,
it's hard, but it's the truth. You cannot afford mixed
steps if you are.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
The Green Party and.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The dim exit people, if you are the ones who
say let's go green, green, green, green, they're the only answer,
They're the only answer.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The Green Party is not the only answer. The Democratic
Party is not the only answer. The Libertarian Party is
not the only answer. The Republican Party is not the
only answer. The same way I will tell somebody the
dim intergroup the Democratic Party is not the sole solution
to this situation because if you think about it, if
they win, say.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
If they do win, if they do happen to get ninety.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Percent of the people to come back, which they desperately need,
because if you don't know, they lost twenty percent of
the Democratic Party during the them exit, which people did
not think was a big deal. I don't understand how
you thought losing twenty percent, fourteen million people left the
Democratic Party and they thought that that wasn't going to
affect the outcome of the general election and their congressional districts.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
And the senorial like that is a huge number.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But if everybody said we're all getting behind the dem menser,
we're all getting behind them, to what incentive at that
point did the Democratic have to reform?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yes, you can.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Reform at levels, because there's a lot of levels to this.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You can reform at the precinct.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But until they feel the heat, until people start losing jobs,
until political consultants aren't getting hired anymore, because that's.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
A big deal. People don't get that.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But political consulting is a pretty pretty profitable business, and
people like winning because when.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
You win, you get paid and you get caught up again.
You got to start holding feet to fire and eventually
they're going to say we can't win without them anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
The largest party in the country got reduced fourteen million
this election, So you have to hold your feet to
the fire. So no, for the Democratic answer people, you
know that's not one hundred percent the answer. But the
them exit is for the people saying only Green Party. No,
(30:44):
that's not at all the answer either, that's not the
only answer.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
What you probably need. No, not probably, I'm telling you
both parties need to be being built up.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
What you need for a success that's full progressive takeover,
because I understand some people want to be Democrats, because
it's just that the regional nature of the country, the
way people the democraptics work in this country, it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
May just literally be impossible for you to have a
Democratic party are a Green Party because the infrastructure isn't
there yet. And you want to then have a Democratic.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Party but very progressive side of the Democratic Party, which
I'm perfectly fine with whatever you're going to have, But.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
There are going to be Green Party people near you,
and if you're in a state such as Michigan, for example.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
After the primaries are over, or after even if there
is a general election, perhaps maybe you guys you work together.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Perhaps maybe if it looks.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Like the Democratic person has a stronger infrastructure, or the
Green Party person have a stronger infrastructure, the progressive Democrats,
or because not everybody who's a Democrat is running for office,
nor do they have a cana that they like. So
if you're a Democrat and you're all about dem inntor
because you want to reform the party, your party isn't
(32:06):
the only one that needs help. You're party not the
only progressive ish party that needs help. What you have
to then do is suck up your pride, say, look,
I'm a Democrat, but I want to don't want to
see this, uh, this district fall into neo conservative hands.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
So let's work together. I will take the resources that
I've gathered.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You know, I don't I don't like my candidate, the
Democratic candidate, or you know, maybe they're just not a
Democratic candidate running and somebody in the Green Party was
bold enough to run, like you put your resources behind
that person, and you put your party aside. There are ways,
and most of it the reason we haven't been able
(32:51):
to come to the conclusion that we need to because
everybody's fighting, whether it's dem Exit, whether it's dem inntor
whether it's Green Party, whether it's Democratic Party, some people, Libertarian.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Party, hell even at the local levels.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You have to understand the Democratic Party and the Green
Party are both going to fail if they don't learn
how to embrace each other. Embrace the differences and understand
the differences, but understand the similarities. And I believe, I
honestly believe the majority of the Democratic Party, considering how
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many votes Bernie Sanders got in the primary election, we
can go to say that at least have I would
venture to say, giving the rigging situation, at least more
of the Democratic parties is progressive, does want to do
the right thing. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.
And so when you have situations like that, if you're
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in a Republican district and you're a Green Party member,
or you're a Democratic member, or if you're a Democratic
person and you see a Green Party member running or
vice versa, go out and you start building from the
precinct up period.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Damn the party politics.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Because there's going to be a point, hopefully once we
get ranked choice voting and all that good stuff passed,
where you can then be about your party again, you know,
have fun, be you know, patriots versus falcons again. I
don't care, because you know, ultimately we're going to see
the same we want to. I want to see baseline
ethics held at a point like the details that's a
(34:33):
lot of the time. The details are what separates the
Green Party. The moral detailser what separates the Green Party
and the Democratic Party, the progressives from both parties because
because they don't even see how to eye, the progressives
from both party don't.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
See how to eye. And so when you get to
the point where you have a.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Moral baselines, when we get to the point where our
system is not rigged anymore, we get to the point
where the system is accessible to all part parties, the
debate stage is accessible to all parties.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
You can go back to party politics once.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I want to say it, I don't want to say it,
but this Republican Party, this neo conservative nonsense, they need
to go once we get them out, and even have
some sensible conservatives in like reasonable actually fiscal conservatives, because
like in some states, fiscal conservatism is necessary. I completely understand,
(35:29):
not that super how they do these Christian or cross
bearing flag rapping, gun tote and nonsense, the racist rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I don't want throw those conservatives. I don't want throw
these conservatives out.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
But once they're out, then we can get back to
party politics and we can argue about.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
The details, not about right and wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Like literally, we're at that point where I think is
right and wrong? Like why do I have to explain
to you why banning Muslims from countries that never have
attacked us, so no indication of attack attacking us, and.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
You're banning people with VISUS is wrong? Do I have
to Why don't I have to tell why we have
to have a debate about that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's the type of people we need out and we
can get that to that point. But believing that one
answer is the holistically right answer is wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You have to seek out the people in your area.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I don't tell me it's impossible, because I know that's
probably people are gonna watch the video letter and.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Say, nah, the Green Party doesn't want to work with us,
the Democratic Party doesn't want to work with us.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
The group Jill Stein knew damn well that I worked
with Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I introduced her in the speech.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
The Green Party knew I worked with Bernie Sanders, the
Democratic Party know that I work with the Green Party,
and yet both of them constantly reach out back out
to me so that we can work together because they know.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
That it isn't.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I don't really give a damn what color you are
at the end of the day, as far as your
party is concerned, I care about what you stay for
as a person, and what you stand for.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
In this area and how you are planning to benefit
this area or a.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Group of people, whether you're Democrat, Green Party or conservative.
A conservative reached out to me and said, I want
you to give a speech.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Guess what.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I'm going to go give a speech if I understand
that his intentions are pure. Now, you're not gonna Ben
Carson me make me the Uncle Tom of the group.
But I'm not going to I'm not gonna I'm not
going to suppress progress because I disagree with you on
some things. Maybe he disagrees with the person disagrees with
(37:37):
me on on affirmative action, but he still believes the
minimum wage should be raised because he sees how it's
affected their community. Guess what I'm going to go give
the most passionate speech I can about raising that minimum
wage and why no matter what race, color, ethnicity, religion,
(37:57):
you are.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Minimum wage and livelihood is a right. I mean lively.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Being able to maintain your livelihood, to have an opportunity
to maintain your livelihood is an absolute right.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I don't care if you're conservative or not.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So once we stop being so divisive, we will finally
see things getting done that we have never been able
to achieve its progressives before.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Because I always tell you all, the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Great unifying factor behind both establishments is money. It's very
easy to unite people behind money. It's very easy to
unite people behind blind ambition. But the progressive side of
both the Democratic Party and the Green Party, everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Believes their issue is the most important issue at that time.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
We have to deal with racism first, We have to
deal with the economy. We have to deal with the
environment first. You're not vegan, so I don't like you.
You're not vegetarians, but I don't like you. How do
you kill these cow We gotta deal with you know,
Miami's flooding, it's everybody's issue is the most important at
the time, so you feel like I can't help this
(39:18):
person work on their issue. But what we have to
understand is most of our issues are are.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
We can work we can work with if we work together,
like we can fix all of those issues simultaneously. If
we just said, Okay, what's your goal. I want progress.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I want to equal our equity of opportunity. I want
racism going, I want sexism going, I want.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Equity that guess what, I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Which one of those comes first, I don't know, but
we'll figure that out afterwards. But first, let's put ourselves
into positions to make that change. Then we can hash
it out once we get there.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That is a fact.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's kind of interesting because I feel like I'm explaining
kindergarten logic. You know, you gotta I feel like I'm
having like a Barney moment right now, where explain people, you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Gotta work together if you ever want to get anything done,
Like I feel like this is common sense.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
If it's literally a game of divide and conquer that's
being played against both of you all, because guess what,
I don't give a damn about what the Democratic Party
is saying the Green Party has been just a divisive
If you ever utter the words Democratic Party, they want
to castrate you.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
And sometimes.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I feel like that too with some of how some
of your Democratic Party people get. But that's not the
majority of Democratic Party members.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That is not the majority of Green Party members, I
promise you.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
And it's easy for you want to get really hyped
when you're on Facebook and social media and your little
instant messengers whatever however you communicate. But when you get
in front of each other and you get a feel
for each other, and y'all realize at the end of
the day you really want the same thing, all of
a sudden, you can start bridging those gaps.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
All of a sudden, you can.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Start working towards the goal that you wanted, regardless regardless
of party affiliation.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I know, for a fact, I don't know that many
Green Party members in Miami yet. However, I do know
for a fact that if.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I decided to run the twenty third district of Florida,
that's Watchman Show's district, by the way.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But if I decide to run for w Washerman Shows,
districts run against her.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Whereas most people wouldn't even think about joining her. Guess what,
I know that Green Party people would put their weight behind.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Me to see me beat her.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Because I'm not going to go and ask for the
support of the Green Party.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's not what I'm going for. I'm going to ask
for your support.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I'm going to ask for the support of those who
want to see moral righteousness prevail.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's sometimes it's like with with sports.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Sometimes you gotta get back to fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Sometimes you gotta be the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's boring, it's it's not always flashy, but you gotta
get out on those precincts and you gotta you gotta,
you gotta put you gotta put LaMarcus, Audridge and Gasol
on the same team, even though they don't hang out
each other, don't like each other, don't have anything in
comment other than being on the Spurs and wanting.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
The same goal of getting a ring. We may not
be from the same background.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
After we get this ring together, we may not even
still be on the same team.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
But let's go get the rings period.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Let's work together now so we can both celebrate and
we can both have better.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Control of our destinies.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
And if you don't know anything about sports, once you
get a ring, you definitely have a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Control of your destiny. So that's what we have to do.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
So a couple of more things for both of them,
enter and dim exit because like I said, I'm trying
to give you all the facts, because the truth of
the matter is, it really depends on where you're at
whether you should dim enter or dim exit.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You need to go to your Democratic Party meetings. You
need to go to your Green Party meetings.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Shit, some of you might not even go to Republican
meetings because you might have some reasonable Republicans around and.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
You have to fill out the situation.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Don't assume you know how the Democratic Party in your
district is, because if you knowing what you know about
Debute Washerman shows, she would assume that the Democratic Party
in Florida is like that. I'm telling you'll not with
a lot of them yesterday. They are not like Debbute
Washerman shows. They're extremely progressive. And I actually do not
believe Debue Washerman Show's actually won to keep it to
keep it around.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I don't think she actually won.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So you can't presume to know your party before you
know your party. The Democratic Party of the Green Party
is a banner. But the people, the areas are all different,
every single one of them.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
So go get to work.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Stop relying on Facebook to decide whether you're going to
dim inter or dim exit because guess what, California has
done a damn good job realistically of them inter and
they're dominating bie Bernie.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Cresseer dominated California right now. The establishments running like chicken
with their head cut off. It is fabs.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
So I'm sure you all saw a key indicator of
that is that that Ellison is winning over.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
There was an article talking about Ellison winning.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Over California recently, which that's supposed to be the area
that Hillary Clinton was just so you know, unbeatable in
the establishment was so unbeatable in so But on the
other side of that fence, look at Michigan. Michigan had
Green Party candidates win Michigan. Did them exit successfully because
(45:26):
they were corrupt, they were establishment, they were in a
Republican state. So to to the with the with the
minority Democrat party that had most of his power concentrated into.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
A few people, why then would you throw your little
bit of weight by it.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
They're like, no, we're just gonna dim exit and we're
gonna build up the Green Party there, and the Michigan's
Green Party is legit, it's super legit.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
They're too legit to quit. So understand, if you don't
know your precinct, don't talk to me about either them
enter or dim exit. Don't even ask my opinion.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Go find out yourself, figure it out, feel out the
situation if you want to ask me about Okay, this
is what I experience.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Which one do you think is a better idea? Because
you went out, you hopped your butt off the couch,
you got off your.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Damn I phone in your computer, and you went and
went to a party meeting, You went to a precinct meeting,
you went to a district whatever. You talk to the
potential candidates.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
For both parties you've been reading up.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Then you can talk to me about them them exited,
them enter because, as a cliche goes, all politics are local.
And guess what if we paid attention to details instead
of trying to generalize how we should deal with these
situations politically, then baby, perhaps we can get some shit done.
(47:03):
Because guess what the establishment is paying attention to details.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Believe that believe they have those bylaws, what they can
get away with and what they can't get away with,
front and back, memorized.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Believe they have the estimates. This is how many people
show up to this meeting. We don't have to worry
about them. We'll get to how many people show up
to this meeting.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
We know we can't we know, we know. They know
what parades are going on. This is not this is
not a joke. They know what paraise and events are.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Going on in your town to plan meetings knowing that
none of you all will show up so they can
pass bylaws, get people elected in the little local committees,
and you find out a week later because you were
at the little Botai cultural event or you wanted to
go to the to the food event and your city downtown.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
This is really what they do. It happened in North
Carolina recently with hk On. But all politics are locals.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
So if they're going to be paying atitation to the details,
you have to be one step better and out smart them.
Because the one detail or the one thing that they
aren't going to do that you, if you want to win,
are going to be willing to do is say, hey,
Green Party, I don't like the Democrats. That I'm working with,
and there's a lot of us who don't like the
(48:25):
Democrats that we're working with. So we want to take
over this district that we want to take over this area,
but we're going to need help. Maybe I become Green
Party afterwards, maybe not. Maybe you become Democrat after maybe not.
But we can get them out, we can take away
the power from them, and then at least at that
(48:46):
point we can make autonomous decisions and I will be
in control of my Progressive Democratic Party and you will
have a little bit more help whenever it comes down
to it. Because there's there's plenty of believe it or not,
there are plenty of offices to go around.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
School board, there's you know, there's there's I mean, the
list goes on.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I don't want to go into all that, but there's
plenty of offices to go around, especially if you're in
big cities.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's compromised. There's a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
There's a lot of ways issue I'm even compromising. If
Tosi had decide, if totally decided to run in twenty twenty,
obviously I'm not going to run against her in twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
That would be kind of selfish of me.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Right, Obviously I'm not going to run as a Green
Party candidate so I can try to hurt her chances
of winning.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Why would I do that.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
That's selfish, That's not teamwork, that's selfish blind ambition.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
We have to work together.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
If I have to sacrifice what I was planning on
doing so that the movement can progress the revolution, then
absolutely there's nothing. So that is the moral of the
story for today, ladies and gentlemen. I gave you the facts,
not all because we can be here all day talking
(50:06):
about why you should enter, why you should exit, but
at least you all know you have a little bit
more scope. Ultimately, the Democratic the dim enter is about
reforming the party from the ground up at the precing level. Ultimately,
the dim exit is not a bunch of people expecting
people to be morally perfect, despite popular belief. What they
(50:30):
are looking for ultimately is intention. What are your intentions.
Are you remorseful for your mistakes and explain to me
how you plan on changing that and if you're not
going to present that and we don't have anything else
further to talk.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
About, that is what the dem exits as based off of.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
If you can't keep your party in check. Why would
I then try to go in and try to change them.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
You can't even do anything about it, so dem exit them. Answer.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Both answers are right, both answers are wrong, but you
are not going to know with which ones right or
wrong until you get your ass up off the couch
and off of Facebook and go find out yourself.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I think we're all agreeing to that, right.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
So with that being said, it's about that time for me,
ladies and gentlemen. It has been an absolute pleasure. So
I'm glad we had this conversation. I hope that people
became more educated because of it, and please like and share.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
And I'm going to be posting before I go.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm going to be posting my Patreon account if you
were not, if you were not a donor or a contributor,
I would greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Most of you all know I am in the process. Well,
I have moved to Miami, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
In the process of getting the studio together. I'm trying
to get equipment.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Equipment for now only myself, but I have to get
equipment for my colleagues that we have.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
I told you.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
We brought on a few people recently Tanya Singh, who
some of you may have seen commenting on here. We
brought on Royce Harrison, Jasmine Rodriguez, Brandon Finley, and we're
bringing on more people and so we want to make
sure that we are giving you the best quality content
that we can.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
And so I'll post a link to Patreon in.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
This video and if you could become a contribute literally
get five ten dollars a month and you won't miss it,
but we will.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Greatly appreciate it. Greatly appreciate it. Everything helps, and that
helps bring you better.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Content and better quality, and it means that can get
more people on the job. We can give you more perspectives,
we can bring more awareness to key issues.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
And I won't be going great.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
At twenty eight years old trying to do everything myself
because that is what is currently happening.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
So have a fantastic evening and always remember find your balance.
I'm a good night
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