Feres Doctrine: The Introduction

Episode Transcript

Gary (00:01):
Hello.
Thanks again for tuning into mypodcast.
The military illumination.
I'm your host, Gary.
And today what we're going to betalking about is we're gonna be
talking about the fairnessdoctrine.
Just an introduction to theFerris doctoring and you know,
how it impacts.
People, families and servicemembers and, you know, people

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whose.
You know, the only men and womenwho were.
Thinking about Joined themilitary.
Military illumination will be.
Did we just basically look atthe things that are not being
said, sharing some light ontoit.
So that a person can make aninformed decision whether or not
to join the military.
Basically because before, whileyou're in the military process

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recruiting process, Th allyou're going to hear is a good
stuff.
But you won't hear their truenature.
Of what you're actually gettinginto.
So military illumination, but wedo, we just kind of inform you.
Share with you based on ourexperience, based on my
experience.
We're 26 years.
Dealing with this situation and.
Having to seen it firsthand, thedevastation of it.

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So today what we're going to dois just, I'm just going to talk
to you about the fairnessdoctrine, give you a really
broad overview.
There's a lot of material outthere on the web and under
internet that.
Let's talk about the same thing.
One website I think is very,very good, actually.
Went to it.
I stumbled on it, through myresearch and It w it was more

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in-depth than I ever knew it iscalled save our service members.
Dot org.
And it's backslash Ferrisdoctrine.
Once again.
That's save our servicemembers.org.
Backslash Ferris doctrine.
That's another thing that we dohere it's we gave you the
resources because we don't havetime.
I don't have time to end in timethat.
A lot of it.

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To go into detail.
There's, there's more thanenough information out there.
If a person is truly trying todecide whether or not to
predict.
The eight year commitment to themilitary or to, to see what they
can do out without it.
Honestly.
You can do the same thing.
It gets to make a long storyshort let's get started real
fast here.
Ferris document I want you tobrand branded in your mind is F

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E R E S.
Doctorate, D O C T R I N E.
Once again.
F E R E S.
Doctrine D O C T R I N E.
And basically what the thirddocument is.
It's a it came out of anincident.
A Supreme court case in 1950.

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It was calm.
It was Paris.
Versus United States.
Barriers is basically LieutenantRudolph Paris was a person in
the military.
That was killed.
And sent to a niggle gins of themilitary in a bear expire.
Okay.
So, what do you want tounderstand?
First of all, is it the person.

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First of all I want tounderstand is that.
A person joined the military.
Incident to that service.
They're into.
Something happened.
Okay.
What happened with Paris?
Rudolph Lieutenant.
Ferris.
Was that he was killed in a bearexpire.
That was negligence on theUnited States army.

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Okay.
So.
What that third document is.
I normally run around the Bush,but what it is is basically.
It steams it.
It stems out of it.
Stems out of a.
Federal tort claims at.
Okay.
In states that the government isnot liable under federal tort

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claims act of injuries toservice members.
Where the injuries arise.
Arose out of incident to thecourse of activity, incident to
service.
Would that acception therelationship of military
personnel to the government has.
Governed exclusively.
By the federal law.
So this is a federal tort claimsact.

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Which is borrowing a servicemember and their families.
For suing us government.
For injuries sustained in themilitary and simple to put.
I think one thing, what.
What do you want to understand?
What do we understand here?
Is that.
Various is Ferris, his family,his wife, and his kids, his wife

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was trying to recover monies tohelp raise their families for
her family.
I'm really going to give you abroad overview, kind of bringing
it back to where it's gonna.
You can see how it impacts youand you can also see the true
nature of the military.
So here we had this widow.
Who was killed.
Whose husband was killed.

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In an incident in the military.
Okay.
She has young children.
So she's saying, okay.
My S my husband was killed.
Helped me out.
Provide some income so that Ican sustain myself for a period
of time.
And essentially.
What happened?

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So essentially what happened wasthat she's just trying to
survive.
Okay.
And now.
The military admitted.
That there was negligence.
They admitted that.
They were at fault.
They emit it.
That it was an issue with sometype of furnace system.

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But they refuse to make herwhole.
I want you to think about thatnow?
Lima, all the patriotism.
I think about all the things youthink about the military.
Everything that they see they'regoing to do to you.
Do for you.
Excuse me.
They do do things to you though,but That the recruiter saying.
You're making it sound like it'sthe best thing since sliced
bread.

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Honestly.
But for a case to get all withthe Supreme court.
It has to go through all thelower case courts first.
It has a trickle all the way upthere.
And during this whole time, Mrs.
Barrett is probably deal withlife probably.
Just trying to make ends meet.
Paying for attorneys.

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So what happens is that when itgets up to the Supreme court,
The Supreme court rules againsther.
Now the ferret document is itactually includes three types of
three different cases.
Right?
Then I'm going to go into itmaybe at a later time.
But they all kind of cametogether and I.
And it was just titled Ferrisdock and for whatever reason,

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probably because it was just.
Like a better term.
They just needed to, to labelit.
Maybe.
I'm not sure.
I don't mean to underplay it.
But so basically what I'm sayingis that.
There was three other, there wastwo other incidents.
Where The military had rung theperson injured them.
Yeah.

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Person was injured.
And then we're trying to recovermonies and I think the other
two.
We're a medical type ofsituations within.
In the case of civilian courtswouldn't have been detriment
ground for malpractice lawsuits.
What they could have taken tocourt in one.
But since the people were in themilitary, They get nothing.

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So you just let us just let thisthing sink in.
You're talking about.
You're talking about themilitary medical, talking about
how you know that situation is,but at least screw it up.
You can't Sue them.
You're just a piece of meat onthe slab.
Going to clinic goes down to theattorneys JAG.
Oh my goodness.

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Don't.
The recording of.
Yeah, we've got our own legalsystem.
You're on a uniform code ofmilitary justice on a JAG.
No prom.
We will make it look out to yourrights.
Well, as you know, alreadythat's BS.
It's BS because all you need todo is look at the us Supreme
court cases they had to do withmilitary legal system.

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Lawyers.
Right.
And you're going to see the samething.
The ferret doctrine.
We'll prevent them from bringinga lawsuit.
Against the military, I guessthe government.
So one thing I want you tounderstand is this.
The the, the tort claims act,which is law passed by Congress.

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Okay.
So therefore, you know thatthey're not on your side.
So my Doug's key.
I'm sorry.
My Doug's.
They keep barking.
So.
I'm gonna keep going.
So we know that they did theCongress.
Your senators andrepresentatives.
That are not on the side of themilitary.
Or in the military, they canbasically care less.

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So.
So.
And I'm looking.
And then when we look, when wethink with a pair of doctrine,
Which has led to understand isthat.
You have no rights.
And no one's going to come saveyou.
But they won't tell you thatduring the.
Recruiting process.
Or if they do say that they willdownplay it.

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Or they'll take, don't worryabout it.
Right.
On whatever they want to say.
But it's there.
Recruiters are under the samecrews as you, as, as recruit.
Right.
It happens to everybody.
So.
Listen, I'm gonna read it onemore time.
The 19 is 50.
Us pointing court case Parisdoctrines.

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It's Ferris versus UnitedStates.
They ruled or concluded.
The government is not liable.
Under federal tort claims act.
For injuries to service men.
Where the injuries.
Are arise out of the cause.
In the course of active activityincident to service.

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Without exception.
The relationship of militarypersonnel to the government has
been governed exclusively byfederal law.
So I'm not an attorney, but whatI read in here is saying is
this.
The.
The military personnel.
Whatever happens with them.
Is.

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Exclusively is.
Is being governed by thefederal, the federal law, the
federal government.
The federal law is in control.
Therefore you have no rights.
Okay.
This, this trickles down, youjust.
But anything.
There's, that's why in themilitary.
Sexual assaults are so high.

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Such as assault among highranking officers and enlisted
people are very high.
I was.
Suicides very high.
Nettleton's is very high.
Malpractice is very high.
Y.
Because the law, the lawyersthere terrains, the judges, the
doctors, whatever.

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They don't have no.
I had no fear.
Of being held accountable.
Cause he let the protection ofthe Feres doctrine.
So, you know, a young lady whogets, I don't know, sexually
assaulted.
You know, buys somebody in themilitary, especially it might
change.
It wasn't a lower enlistedperson.
It, it could be such an assault.

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It could be harassed.
Right.
First of all, they're going toshow that person is dead.
She would definitely be Well,how do we say.
Targeted.
Yeah, that's a given.
There would be retribution.
That's a given.
But in a lot of kinds of weird.
Where she did.
I won't say she, he, whateverthey happened to everybody.

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Happened.
In the civilian world.
They would have the able to havea case for at least damages.
Against employers.
Well, not the military.
Okay now.
Military.
I don't care what anybody says.
I seen it firsthand.
1998.
Right.
Firsthand.
How a person.

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Legal rights was trampled on.
And no one batted an eye.
In the.
Senator.
Penny Marie.
Right.
And state.
At the time it was Gary Locke.
And for the last three, youknow, 10 years different
governance.

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Governor's.
Is he.
They can care less.
So I seen firsthand.
You know, so as I'm speakinghere, I'm sharing this with you.
Is that the very first thing youneed to understand?
Is the fairest doctrine and itsimpact.
Once you understand that fairducking and its impact.

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Then you can understand.
Everything else that goes afterthat.
You can, you can hold it thatlight up of knowing that
knowledge of knowing about theferret doctorate.
It gets anything that the govand that the recruiter tells
you.
And, you know, for a fact,there's no guarantee.
You know, for a fact, he doesn'thave to be, he doesn't have to

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tell you truth.
You know, for the fact that onceyou get in.
Even though the good intentionsof the recruiter is.
The military does not have toabide by it.
Yeah, I just want to let youthink each one of that sink in.
Because having everybody know.
But I do know that over 20, whenI talk with the army army.
Army appeals.

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Bored.
Military Appeals.
The representative told me theyget over 20,000 a year.
Of complaint.
But people are trying to gettheir records cleaned up, stream
down from things that were nottrue.
Things that were a lie wasfalse.
So I'm then going to a whole lotof detail.
I didn't go into a lot of detailabout it.

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I don't need to go into a lot ofdetail about it.
There's enough out there.
They have a person is diligent.
They can look it up.
E the Supreme court cases andstarving.
It's Barrett versus UnitedStates.
Epi R E S versus the UnitedStates.
I'm gonna look it up.
And like I said before, areally, really, really great

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sores.
Right.
There's a lot of them out there.
I will say.
Really great source.
For this.
We'll be looking for it now.
Save or save our soldiers.
And we do with it.
Save our soldiers.

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Dot org.
They're at document.
Okay.
Yeah, here he goes right here.
Okay.
That's one thing that Idefinitely will, will.
We'll suggest that you go look,they go Google it.
You will look it up.
And I also will put it in mytranscripts as well.

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Another one was B counterrecruiting.
That com.
That's that's another reallygood website too.
To go to get some moreinformation from.
Counter recruiting.
Kind of recruitment.
Okay.
I finally found it.
The save our series members.
Dot org.
X last Barrett doctrine.

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If you want to know more aboutthat.
The fair doctrine you can checkthem out their website.
I'm a Luby.
I'll be going into more detaillater on.
About it.
But at this point in time, I'mjust getting started.
And just want to illuminate,just want to shed some light on
some very basic stuff.
Kind of gives you just kind ofgive a person.
A really good, basic overviewand understanding of it.

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And help them understand, youknow, that you gotta be diligent
when you deal with them with theus government.
Right.
You've got to be understanding.
You got to do your homework.
You have to do your duediligence.
A young person coming out of themill coming out of high school.
They're bombarded with it.
You know, you, you know, anykids that are just graduating
and thinking about a militarycareer.
And then the thing about it,because they want to pay for

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college.
Or they want to get training ina certain trade.
Tell them.
To think about it, introducethem to the fairest doctrine.
Tell them go visit their localcommunity college.
They're both taking them toschool or.
Are there other schools that areout there there's.
And there's a lot of places outthere that will do internships.
Right.
A lot of the trades.

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There's a lot of opportunitiesout there, right.
That you do not have to give upyour life.
For eight years.
Yeah.
It's eight years.
That's the first thing they'lltell you is no, no, no, you
don't have to go eight year.
You can sign up for four years.
Well, It's eight years.
Look at the contract.
They may let you out at fouryears, but they can also bring

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you back.
They can also keep you if theyget into a war.
So You know, And another onewould be another one that was,
would.
Would it be the fairest doctrinewould be that You know, if you
go in your school or you don'tlike it, we're going to reassign
you to the needs of the militaryneeds an army needs a Navy, even
Marines, if you, you know, soyou may, you may qualify.

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For a high tech school that youwant to go to, but understand
this, a person understands thisis that they're only going to
graduate so many out of there.
They're going to wash out apercentage of them.
Just to feel the other rinksthat they can't feel directly.
And if not that you can do aboutit.
There's nothing you can do aboutthe Ferris doctor and you're

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going to be putting somethingelse that you don't like.
On the last thing I want to say,even above the fairness doctrine
is that.
You don't have your own person.
You serve at the will of the usgovernment.
My suggestion would be.
If you'd gone to join, if you'regoing to live and be a sailor,

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be a Marine.
Be a soldier being an air mangoing there because you want to
serve.
Don't go in there because thebenefits.
The benefits aren't real.
Yeah.
And that's, that's somethingelse we're going to talk about
later on.
The benefits are not real.
And you may not even get thebenefits.

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Okay, so then multiple, we'retalking about CA.
College money.
We were talking about something,a lot of other recruiting
gadgets they use.
But understand this.
Whatever they tell you.
Whatever you hear, whatever yousee on TV.
Whatever they may lead you tobelieve that they're, that they
have integrity.
Don't trust him.
Feres doctrine.

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When that hold the militaryaccountable.
When the health officersaccountable.
And I will also share some of myexperiences that I learned
through my friend's situation.
I was able to reflect my, myenlistment.
And my eyes were open.
Right.
And I've had, I know what I knewbased on my friend's situation.
And what I looked at athindsight with what I went

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through.
I would have never had, I wouldnever even have joined.
It was never have been an optionfor me.
You know, I had a good career.
I'm not going to complain.
Mo, you know, that, you know, Iwent in for the military.
Education, the guy said I canget it.
He said he can go to school.
We created said, Hey, I can goto school.
After hours he's told me it's apicture of.

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These people with his suit onhis shirt on and his tie on
these big old rooms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Four months later, I found out.
What I was going to be doing istactical, which means that I'm
in the field all the time.
And it took me about five yearsto take my first class online.
My first class.
So I wasted five years.

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So that's my story.
There's more to it.
Just remember this militaryillumination.
We're not about telling youdon't go in the military.
What is here to tell you?
Eliminate the facts that they'renot sharing with you.
That can derail your plans.
Have a great day and come backfor another episode or next
episode we'd.
They were postponed within thenext week or so.

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Have a good day.
Bye-bye.