What happens when you stop, On Purpose - with Pamela Dangelmaier - Mind Blend

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Before we begin today, I want you to compare this, now this,
and finally, complete silence felt that shift.
We all live in a world that fills every space with noise,

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urgency, expectation. But what if the thing we're
missing is the space itself? In today's episode, we explore
the quiet, the pause, the stillness we often avoid but so
desperately need, and how silence, when chosen with
intention, can become one of themost powerful tools for clarity,

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creativity, and resilience. Let's explore with my guest,
Pamela Dengelmeyer. Welcome to the show, Mind Glen.
I'm your host, Karen Chong, and I'll be diving into the minds of
incredible people, each an expert in their very own way.
Together we'll uncover insights and share ideas so you can be

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inspired and empowered to navigate your own unique journey
in life. Ready to get curious and
discover what's possible? Let's blend.
Today I'm joined by Pamela Danglemeyer from British
Columbia in Canada. Hi, Pamela.
Hi, Karen. Thank you for having me and for

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providing me with this wonderfulopportunity to yeah, to spend
some time with you and to talk about things that I think are
mutually important to us and, and I hope for your, for your
listeners as well. Yeah, I know that you are a
mindfulness expert, a TE DX speaker, and the author of The

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Power of the Past and many more actually, and we will dive into
that. So very excited to have you here
on mine Blend. Welcome to the show.
What we're going to talk about today is something that I'm
personally very interested in and is silence.
Now, before we dive into why we're talking about silence, I

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would like to ask you, Pamela, to kind of tell us a little bit
more about your journey and whatdrew you to silence in the first
place. Well, thank you for that.
Yeah. What drew me to silence, You
know, I have lived a very busy and curious life.
I've worn many different hats ine-commerce and in business.

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And what I discovered a number of years ago, now, this is going
back a good 20 years or so, is Iwas so caught up in the busyness
of life that it overwhelmed me. And I had experienced what, you
know, what could clinically be called a breakdown in my life.
I, I wasn't able to function theway I normally thought I could

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function. I was overwhelmed with thoughts.
I was physically stressed to thepoint where I I developed a
thing called hyperacusis, where literally everything was so loud
in my life that even my voice itself was overwhelming.
And that almost forced me into aworld of silence.

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And in that silence, I discovered just the most amazing
things, most of which was that Ihad this internal wisdom that I
had drowned out in the busyness of my life.
And when I discovered that, I realized that I could then take

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advantage of that and use it as a powerful tool to guide my life
to go from overwhelm to clarity and to be able to live a life of
purpose, live a life of calmnessand change that busyness into

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intentionality. So that was really the beginning
of this journey for me. And I went from there to
actually getting some some training.
I have a graduate degree in mindfulness based teaching and
learning. I went on to get a certification
as a life coach and propelled meforward into what I do now,

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which is motivational speaking and workshops centered on the
principles of mindfulness, specifically integrating pauses
into our day and the power that that can bring to people's
lives. Wow, I have never met anyone who
has experienced hyperacusis. Yeah, yeah.

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You don't want to experience it.Trust me, you don't.
When you were describing it. When you were describing it, I
was thinking back through the times when I have nightmares,
and in the nightmares it was either chaos or it was war or
something similar to that effect.
The whole town was surrounding me, people are screaming.
And then of course I got up because it was a nightmare and

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then it was all silent. So it maybe reminded me of that
experience. Yeah, it's uncomfortable for
sure. And I think that to some degree,
modern society is suffering fromhyperacusis in general because
our world is so filled with noises and distractions and

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sounds that we almost have become used to it.
And that drowning out of what I call that beautiful moment or
moments of silence. It's like, as I mentioned in my
TE DX talk, it's like modern society has silenced silence and
there is so much wonderful treasures to be found in

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silence. And so that hyperacusis forced
me to be silent and that is whenI discovered it.
And so it's what I want to sharewith other people.
It's the gift that I want to give to others.
Yeah, and it's what you're advocating.
Silence. It's almost like you're giving
silence a voice, which sounds like an oxymoron.

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But I definitely do find that inother conversations that I've
had with other people, some of them are career coaches, some
are just mentors of mine. And there's more and more value
in focusing, not multitasking and just taking a moment, take a
step back and evaluating, reflecting, and then take

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action. So I definitely see that being
advocated a lot more and more. And it's like you said, our
world is noisy, especially you've heard of squeaky wheel
gets the oil in the world like that.
How do you go about advocating for silence?

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Well, the biggest stumbling block that I have come across
when I advocate for silence, as you say, is that people innately
sense a feeling of fear when they experience silence, true
silence, for the first time. It is rather scary because all
of a sudden we are aware of all the thoughts that are running

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through our head, all the feelings in our physical
feelings in our body. What are our our, yeah, our arms
are feeling like, our legs are feeling like our heart is
pounding, whatever it might be. And also the emotions and those
external sounds tend to drown those things out.
So when we introduce silence, itcan be a scary event for people

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and so they will shy away from it.
But what I like to help people understand is that, you know,
intentional silence doesn't meanthat you have to go and sit on a
beach in Bali cross legged with candles burning and incense and
or go up into some, you know, nature retreat somewhere in a,
in a small Hut and cut yourself off from society and live

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totally in silence. That is, that is the extreme end
of it. And it for most people, it's not
attainable and it's not really what they want to do.
But what I like to encourage people is to build small moments
of silence into their day with intention.
So they actually say to themselves, for instance, you're

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traveling to work. If you're driving in a car, a
lot of people have their radio on, they have a podcast playing,
or they have music playing, or they have something going on.
I say for that short amount of time or even just for part of
your journey, just drive in silence.
Just notice that you're driving.Notice what's around.

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You have no distractions other than the actual physical act of
driving. These are small moments of time
where we can build silence into our day and it's very easy to
do, but it starts with intentions.
So of the people that you've told this to, have they given

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you the report afterwards, what they experience?
Yes, absolutely. And for the most part, it is
positive. I would say when people
understand that there are no strict rules to this, that
there's no amount of time, like you have to do it for 30 minutes
a day or 40 minutes a day or whatever it might be.

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When you give people the autonomy to choose when they
want to do it, when they choose to do it, it's much more
empowering. And inevitably, yes, people will
say, wow. I paused for a moment.
For instance, before I went intoa big meeting, I stood there
before the door, before I openedit, I paused.

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I took a deep breath in. I let it out slowly.
I felt myself grounded. And then I entered the room.
And it makes the world of difference as opposed to rushing
from your desk, rushing from wherever you came from, rushing
up the stairs, going into the meeting room and, and standing
there and, and either being partof the meeting or presenting or

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whatever it might be. It's those moments of short
pause. And yes, I've had very positive
feedback from people who's beginto incorporate this into their
daily. Life.
Yeah. It's so important to not just
run around like have this chicken or jumping from imagine
you're jumping a Lotus leaf fromleave to leave to leave.

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You don't stop. You're going to sink and die.
It's like that. And you know what?
I you also just reminded me of when I took my driving test, My
I, my instructor knew that I wasvery nervous.
He gave me a glass of water before handing me over to the
the examiner. I think there's a name and it

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made the difference. The intentional pause just
breaking you up. Or when you see something
happening, people are about to fight, they're heated.
If you're just a passerby just interrupting that moment, it's
already something very useful. Yes, it's very.
Yeah. It's very powerful.
And you know, and I think intuitively as human beings, we

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know that. We know that pause can create a
space for us to reflect, even ifit's for just a millisecond, and
then choose a proper response orchoose some kind of response.
You know, it reminds me of a a very well known quote by Viktor
Frankel. He said that between stimulus

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and response there is a space, and in that space is our power
to choose our response. And in our response lies our
growth and our freedom. And that space can be a
millisecond, it can be two seconds, it can be 3 seconds, it

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could be 5 minutes. It's just an opportunity to go
inward and draw from our inner wisdom that will guide us
correctly every single time. Yeah, and I do, I do agree that
we get a little bit uncomfortable when things are

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silent. And I'm sure you've heard of the
silent treatment that many partners experience from their
partners, and it's normally associated with negative people
being silenced, voices being silenced.
How would you approach someone who has that perception?

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Well, that type of, as you say, silent treatment is what I would
term sort of a negative use of silence.
It's used as a as a power tool against someone and I'm I'm all
for power tools for people, for yourself.
So in that sense of their experience of silence has been

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negative, then to understand theintention behind that type of
use of silence as opposed to theintention behind the type of
silence that I propose, which isfor the greater good for you
personally, to get yourself grounded, to get yourself turned
inwards and to be able to guide yourself with your inner pilot.

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As opposed to an autopilot. Because so often we are just on
autopilot. We're, we're just going about
our day deflecting and reflecting and, and, and doing
things that it's like a, it's like a sailboat without a mast
and a sail. We're just being tossed about by
the waves. But as soon as we do take those

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small pauses of time and or longer pauses, as soon as we
build those into our daily routine, we begin to understand
that we actually do have an inner pilot.
And that inner pilot is the one that will guide us, that will
serve us best and give us the greatest power to live our lives

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fully with positivity, intention, clarity, creativity,
all of the things that we as human beings possess.
And each individual is unique and bring something wonderful to
this world. If someone is new to this, they
are used to having a very hecticlifestyle, just in distractions

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here and there. What's the first step they can
take? Well, the first step is to do
the silence with intentions. So as I said, to build a small
moment of silence into your day.And I talk about that in my
e-book, The Power of the Pause. There's lots of different pauses

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that one can take, but the very first one, and the easiest
really is, as I mentioned already, is to just
intentionally pause. It can be at any time.
It doesn't have to be necessarily before a stressful
moment in your day. It could be when you get up in
the morning and you're in the bathroom and you're brushing
your teeth and whatever it mightbe, just to take a moment and

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intentionally pause. Take a breath in, breathe out,
and that's it. That's a pause.
And in that pause, as you begin to build those into your day,
you will begin to discover really wonderful things.

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At the very least it's given your your mind and your body a
rest, a rest from your hectic day, from whatever it might be.
A rest, a pause, a space to justbe.
And we have so few of those in our days.
So yeah, that just taking a an intentional pause, a deep breath
in and out, that's all it takes to begin, and it feels good.

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It feels good. I do yoga.
So whenever I do that, I do feellike when I'm busy at work, just
staring at the computer screen, I don't blink and I don't really
breathe. And I my optometrist told me you
need to blink more. Put a post it on your computer.
Like next to your computer blinked.

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Yeah, like even these natural human operations are distracted,
distracted, busy. So clearing space in your head,
it's really important. Why do you think we have gotten
so uncomfortable with stillness?Well, I think because it's just

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been drowned out with so many other things and we become used
to it and then it becomes a habit.
And I felt, you know. I'll go and do that.
OK, yeah, I know. I was just going to say it
becomes a habit when and then wedon't even remember that we
actually had silence in our lives when we were younger
already or in other parts of our, our, our days and our lives

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because things have just become so busy, so loud, so quote, UN
quote normalized that we don't even realize it.
There were times in our lives earlier when I'm sure that
everyone had a quieter time, depending on your age.

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You know, speaking from myself, I grew up in a time when there
wasn't any Internet. There wasn't, there weren't cell
phones, there weren't constant distractions and things giving
us, you know, dopamine rushes and, and pulling our attention
constantly away from ourselves, from our relationships with

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others. And so it's become the norm.
So of course, when we introduce silence into people's lives or
encourage them, it's unknown territory for many people.
And people are often afraid of unknown territory of change, of
things that aren't known. But as I said, if you introduce
it in small doses, yeah, pretty much I'm, I'm pretty sure that

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most people will agree with me that there is a magical
wonderful thing that happens when you do pause, even for a
moment and notice your breath. Yeah, if you're usually really
responsive when you get a message, you respond right away.
People can see that you're typing.
When you don't do that, people think, Oh my God, what's wrong

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with Pamela? Like, where is she?
And this afternoon, I was not really talking to my husband.
We're both at home. And at the end of the day, I was
like, we haven't really talked all day.
Are you OK? We are both OK.
But the fact that we haven't actually made noise made me felt

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strange because usually there'llbe something on.
There's music or TV or we're on meetings.
So yeah, we have gotten used to just constantly having
distractions. Absolutely, yeah.
I recently read a book actually by Sarah Anderson, and it's
called The Lost Art of Silence, and it talks all about this,

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that in years past, in centuriespast, silence was a huge part of
the human existence. And as we have moved forward
through the centuries, it has become less and less and less
and less. And I really believe that we're
losing an opportunity to create clarity and calmness, focus and

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purpose in our lives if we allowsilence to slip away, because
silence gives us the opportunityto recognize what's important
for us as individuals in our lives.
And therefore we can then live healthier, happier, more
fulfilling lives. So it really is, I believe,

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crucial for people to to begin to work moments of of pause into
their daily routine. Yeah.
And experience it because society won't give it to you
necessarily. You have to be intentional about
claiming back silence that you deserve.
That's right. How do?

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You think silence intentionally building silence into your
routine. How do you think that relates to
how well somebody listens? They're very closely connected,
Absolutely listening. I believe truly listening,

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mindfully listening to someone else is one of the greatest
gifts that you can give to another person.
So often in this world we don't feel heard.
We don't feel truly listened to.We sense that when we're
speaking or talking to someone, whether it's our partner or a Co

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worker or a stranger in the library, when we we sense
innately that when we're speaking, if they're not truly
listening to us, we feel cut offfrom them.
We feel distanced from them, notunderstood, not appreciated, not
given any kind of value or respect.

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And so mindful listening really is truly exactly that.
It's listening with intention towhat the other person is saying,
allowing them to speak, allowingthem to express themselves, and
doing our very best to avoid automatically beginning to

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formulate what we're going to say next, because that's often
what happens. Someone will say something, they
say something, they say something, they say something,
and it goes back and forth like this like a tennis match.
But there really isn't the intention on both sides to truly
listen to the other. So yes, they are completely tied
together. They're talking at each other,

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not with each other. I have experienced that there's
so many times in my career being.
Exactly, Karen, that is it. It's the intentionality and
being present in the moment and it's not the norm.
It is and that's what's so that is that is I guess the the the
challenge that that one faces asa mindful person is that it

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isn't the norm. So when 1, you know, you're in a
meeting or you're in a, even having a conversation with
someone, the it's not normal to really sit and listen and people
will feel it immediately and think, well, what's going on
here? She's really listening to what
I'm saying. They'll notice it intuitively.
And in meetings there's often the pressure to get it done.

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We've got 20 minutes for this meeting.
We've got to say what's got to be said.
We've got to do what's got to bedone and we've got to go to the
next thing. And if you take the time to
really listen and to pause aftersomeone has spoken, before you
actually speak, people will turnheads and go, what's up with
her? What's going on?
But it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing because
inevitably when you do respond, you will respond from a place of

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knowing and A and a place of understanding of what has been
said. And usually what will come out
are words of empathy, words of wisdom, words of creativity,
whatever it might be, because you've truly listened and now
you are responding instead of reacting.

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Yeah, it's asking the questions about something the person just
said that has. That happens a lot actually.
People are distracted or they weren't paying attention.
So have you encountered any misperception of what you're
saying about silence? Because maybe we associate

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silence with doing nothing and usually doing nothing is not
productive. Again, it's associated with
negativity. Yes.
Have you encountered that? Yeah.
Well, with some of my clients, yeah, because there are, these
are high achievers, these are people who are used to doing
going, being travelling, always on the go.

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And so when I suggest the notionof pause and well, I don't have
time to pause, you know, what does that?
What good is that going to do for me?
And I say, yes, you do have timeto pause because we have a
misperception about what pausingis and what it means and how
valuable it is. If we looked at pausing, as

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valuable as, as you know, presenting in a meeting or as
valuable as finishing a project or as valuable of whatever you
value is high, and we set it at the same level, amazing things
can happen. And pausing is not not doing.
Pausing isn't stopping. You know, it's like when I tell

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people that, for instance, the concept that silence isn't the
absence of something, but it's the presence of everything.
And in so in pausing, you're actually dipping into the well
of all that you are, all of thatcreative power, all of that past

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history and wisdom and your value system.
And what is it that you want to bring to this world?
And what is it that you want to achieve?
And if you don't allow an opportunity to pause, where are
you drawing your inspiration from?
Where is it coming from? So it's super valuable.
And yes, it does take some people a while to understand

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that pausing is not just doing nothing.
Pausing is actually doing everything.
Yeah, My parents, for example, they, if they see me at home not
doing anything when I was a kid,I think they told me to go do
something. Right, right.
Well, you know, and, and I understand that, but the truth

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is, is that we physically need pauses as human beings.
We cannot be expected. We all know what happens to
people. We have them in our lives.
We know them either personally or through relationships with,
with coworkers or friends. Those people who are driven, and
I mean driven in the sense of they go from the moment they get
up in the morning until they stop at night.

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What often happens with people like that?
They have some kind of physical or mental breakdown at some
point in their lives. It may not manifest right away,
but you're pretty well assured that at some point that chain is
going to break. So we physically need pauses for
our brain, for our our our physicality, for our emotions,

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and literally for our bodies. We need pause.
That's why we sleep every night.But we can also bring micro
pauses into our day. Absolutely.
Yes, micro pauses is important. Being able to work something in
step by step, breaking them intosmall steps.
That's also another reoccurring theme that I've been hearing.

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Yes, yeah, because it all has todo with overwhelm, again,
because of of the society, the culture that we have created
asks us to always be on and to go, go, go and do, do, do.
And yes, people have achieved amazing things.

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Absolutely. Look at our world now.
This world is an amazing place. As we said, you are in the UK,
I'm on the West Coast of Canada here.
We are having a wonderful conversation.
And that's because there are people behind the technology
that allows us to do this. So yes, this is wonderful, but
we also need to balance it, balance it with self reflection

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and self-care. And when we do that, I suggest
one way to do that, one very powerful and effective way is to
build that pause into your day. OK, well we have done anything
but being silent for the last about 30 minutes, so I'd like to

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play a lightning round with you to finish off our episode.
So just step reaction. No.
OK, so you encourage us to buildsmall pauses into our lives.
What's a pause practice that youalways it's your go to.
Mm Hmm. My pause practice is I actually

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have an app on my phone, a mindfulness app that rings a
bell randomly once an hour. Randomly.
Randomly. OK, so I have it, you know, I
have my cell phone with me as most people do.
It's part of, of, of the, what Ihave the technology that I carry
with me. And that little bell will ring

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randomly every hour, except whenI'm, I said it, I'm sleeping
obviously. And the bell sound will last for
maybe 5 seconds. And when that bell rings, I take
a pause. I take a deep breath in and I
let the breath out. It's based on the teaching from
Tiknad Han, Vietnamese Buddhist monk, very, very prolific

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writer. And he actually began to
introduce this idea of a random bell.
And it's very easy to do. And it's amazing what happens
when that bell rings, when you notice what are you doing right
at that moment in time. Am I rushing?
Am I busy? Am I?
How am I feeling? What's my breath like?
So yes. Yeah, that's a very good point.
It's waking you up, like shakingyou, yes.

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Come out of whatever you're in. Yes, in a gentle way, because
it's like a it's a nice light thing.
That's all that it is. I was.
Going to ask how does it sound like?
Yes, yes, it's a it's a lovely, just nice light bell sound.
And I'm sure you said it when like you need to focus for
example your writing or talking to someone.
Yes. Next one What's one place where

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silence surprised you? Well, I would say I'd have to go
back to when I was giving my TE DX talk and I referred back to a
time when I was a teenager and Iscuba dived and it was the first
time that I experienced a true immersive silence as I dipped

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down under the waves. It was noisy up above, lots of
sounds, and I went below and allI could hear was the sound of my
own breath going in and going out.
And that was admittedly somewhatunnerving to begin with.
But then I began to love it. And yes, it was surprising for

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me that that immersive, all-encompassing silence.
Yeah, and because you were scubadiving too.
You, you were deep. Yes, and I was floating.
I was floating, you know. So I was, it was a world unknown
to me. It was a physical feeling.

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It was an emotional experience that that I hadn't experienced
up above the water. So it was quite profound for me
and one that really did change me in many ways, because at that
point in time I recognized the wonderful power of that silence.

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And it made an impact on you. It did, yes.
Yeah, it did. Next one What has been the most
effective way to make someone gosilent immediately?
To make someone go, OK, well, I think focus and intention and a
very soft voice from me. Often when someone is speaking

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and they might be upset, they might be, you know, angry or or
emotional in some way. My first step is to really look
at them in a very caring and empathetic way, even if they're
angry at me. And then to speak with kind and
gentle words, but in a very soft, gentle voice.
This can be very disarming for people and also says to them,

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listen, I care about you. I'm listening to you.
What is it that you want to say?Yeah, yeah.
There's no use pouring oil and fire, really.
No. And it's it is a challenge
because sometimes we feel we feel attacked personally or we
feel a strong emotion ourselves.But again, it's that moment of

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quick pause, breath in, breath out, and then to really
intentionally look at that person with understanding and
empathy as much as you can muster, and then to speak in a
gentle voice can be very, very helpful in connection and also
in disarming what could be a hot, volatile situation.

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Yeah. OK.
Last one. Do you talk in the elevator?
Wow, that's a good question. If yes, actually I do.
I do. If I go into an elevator and I
see strangers there, I will do my very best to make a
connection with them. I will say something like, oh,

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wow, that's a great dress you have on or oh, you know, oh, I
didn't know this was going down.I thought we were going up
something, anything. Very rarely.
No, I won't stand in an elevatorand be silent with people.
And even as I say, even just a smile is a way of communicating

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with with people just to let them know, hey, you know, here
we are in an elevator together. OK?
Might be like 5 seconds that we're together, but it's going
to be an enjoyable experience. Yeah.
Yeah. That's that's interesting
because I am definitely in this camp of not talking in the
elevator. I I'm having a conversation with

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a friend. I was stuck.
When someone comes in, I'll stop, mainly because I don't
want anyone else to know what we're talking about.
But it also depends on where youare, because in London there's a
stereotype that you don't look anyone in the eye, you don't
talk to anyone. So it's perfectly acceptable to

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not talk or look or smile at someone if you're in the
elevator with them. I smile because I that's just
something I do. So I still smile.
May not talk to them, but I acknowledge their presence and
that's what you're doing. Exactly.
Exactly. You acknowledge their presence.
And I mean the question that, you know, we have to ask

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ourselves in situations like that where the culture says
don't look, don't smile, don't talk.
The question you might want to ask yourself when you get in a
situation like that is what's a loving or wise choice that I
could choose right now? Yeah.
And even if it is to break the norm and smile, to smile at
people, yeah, look them in the eye and, and smile like, OK,

(35:54):
yeah, we're all here in this elevator and says we're not
supposed to talk, but I'm going to smile at you.
Yeah. I'm not talking, yeah, I'm
talking with my eyes. That's right.
You're talking with your emotions and your and your
smile. Yeah.
Well, thank you very much today,Pamela.
It's a topic that I am really passionate about as well.

(36:16):
Just the power of being there still in a world of chaos.
It's something that I really swear by, partly because of my
field of work, project management, but also because I
see increasingly that it's really needed.
It is, it is and it's, it's a simple, attainable practice that

(36:37):
anybody can incorporate. And, you know, that's one of the
reasons that I wrote my e-book, the Power of the Pause, because
I had so many people asking me, how do I start?
Where do I begin? How can I incorporate this into
my life? And it's, it's a lovely little
book booklet about, you know, 30pages long or so.
It has lots of tips in it, lots of great ideas of how you can

(36:58):
build pauses into your day. There's even like a A7 day
challenge at the end where you can try a different pause
technique each day where you canjournal about it and see which
one works for you. Because the truth is, I'm not
here to tell people how to do itfor them.
It's like a buffet. There's opportunities and

(37:18):
choices that fit for each personindividually.
And but once you find it, my gosh, the the golden treasures
that can then can come out of that beautiful space are are
wonderful. And so, yeah.
It's just like an enlightenment,almost.
Yeah, yeah. I will also leave Pamela's

(37:40):
information where you can connect with her in the show
notes. So listeners, if you found
today's conversation resonating,definitely keep the conversation
going. Connect with me and Pamela.
Thank you. Thank you, Karen, so much for
this opportunity. It's been wonderful.
And as you said, it's an oxymoron to be talking about

(38:01):
silence, but, yeah, but that's what makes it fun and and
interesting and creative. I love that.
So again, thank you so much. Thank you for being our guest on
Mind One. Thanks for listening to this
episode of Mind One. Maybe enjoy the conversation.

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it. And let's keep the conversation
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leave me a comment. Until next time, stay curious,
keep exploring, and let's continue to blend our minds and
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