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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A story that was on seven News the other night
that horrified me and no doubt you too if you
saw it. An ADLEI woman was devastated after a thirteen
year old little pup wasn't so much a pup dog
but tiny little puppy, Lulu, fatally mauled by an off
leash staffy cross at Croydon and Verma said the dog
(00:21):
launched at them, leaving Lulu with horrific injuries. The attackers
owner fled without offering help or contact details. The incident
has sparked renewed concern over off leash dogs in public parks,
and significant reforms to dog and cat laws, including banning
puppy farms, expanding feral cat eradication, and increasing penalties for
dog owners that attack people and other animals has passed
(00:43):
state parliament. So to talk to us principally about the
dog issue is canine relationship coach and dog club owner
Daniel Tropiano. Daniel, good morning to you. How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, good morning, Graham. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's a pleasure now you're involved with the dog. So
that's the angle we'll look at. There are obviously far
too many of these cases where dogs uncontrolled and this
case maulled and killed a small dog, but it could
just as easily have been a young child.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I totally agree with you. I've been waving my hands
about this issue on five Laid over the last couple
of years. The problem is is that we have a
systemic failure here, and we can make all the changes
to the Acts, which is a reactive response to a
traumatic situation, it's not going to stop these dog attacks
from happening. It may create a bigger consequence to the
(01:37):
people once they happen, but we're still going to experience
the trauma before we even address the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So what do we need to do.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, Again, we need to work with the industry in
order to come up with some sort of regulations, whether
that's on the front end of dog ownership. We need
to have some sort of compelling system where we need
to make dog owners aware of the fact that when
you keep these animals there's a serious amount of work
that needs to go into them to make sure that
they can be productive in our society. And those people
(02:10):
that buy dogs at the minute and how clueless to that,
are not going to be reading the Act to see
what punishments they may face if the dog is responsible
for a dug attack, because most of these people, they
will tell you that, well, my dog has never shown
me signs of doing this until the day that happened.
We're going to have more and more problems.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I mean, any dog can bite it, there's no question
about that. But isn't it the case that there are
certain breeds of dogs that are more prone to be
quite vicious.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh, like we have breeds that are bred for jobs. Yes,
of course, there's certain jobs that require a different type
of character in the dog. The thing that remains the
same is that we have a standard that we need
to live by in society, and it doesn't matter what
sort of person you are, you still need to follow
that standard of behavior. And the fact is is that
we don't have that same approach when it comes to
the dog world. We think that we need to make
(03:01):
these dogs bouncing off the walls, excited and happy to
be wherever they are, and all this arousal is just
covering some nervous dogs underneath, and it's going to lead
to more and more problems. Again, so from a training perspective,
what we would like to see is a realistic approach
to the training aspect of these animals. The thing is
that stood out in the Deputy Premier's media release, or
(03:24):
the media release I was sent quoting the Deputy Premiere,
was that she said that these punishments are going to
act as a great deterrence. Now I'm happy for the
fact that she used the word punishment, because if you
look in all the literature coming from the Dog and
Cat Management Board, the RSPCA, nearly every counselor in our state,
they all say that punishment has no place in behavior modification.
(03:46):
But that's just not the case, and that's why the
whole system fails. Even a training perspective. The narrative is
that you cannot punish these dogs. It's punishment that is
going to come into play, which is going to keep
dogs in society to a standard of behavior that's necessary.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So you believe that every dog should have to be trained.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I do. I definitely believe that even a little shits do.
It doesn't matter the breed, doesn't matter, what sort of
person we are, doesn't matter if we're big or small.
We all have to follow the rules.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And this is the thing, isn't it. I Mean, you
get a lot of people say, look, I've just got this.
It's a little lap dog and it wouldn't hurt a fly.
But you're suggesting that every dog needs to be trained.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, you look at the little lap dog, right, Nana's
little white multi shits do and walks down the street
and is barking at everything that it sees. Now that
same behavior is the start to a potential by risk, right,
So guess the fact that it's a little white dog
doesn't mean that it's not on the pathway to potentially
biting someone. So of course every dog needs to understand
the rules.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
So where do we start. What have we got to do?
I mean, as you've said, you know, imposing strict fines
and punishments is at the wrong end of the process.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Definitely end of process. The punishment is only effective if
the timing of the punishment is correct and the size
of the punishment is correct. And what we're doing here
is we're coming in way after the fact and we're
trying to give a huge punishment. But like I said,
it doesn't stop. We can put things in place. I
don't know what they are yet. But if we look
(05:20):
at the same way that we build behavior and dogs
and get rid of behavior. If we can follow the
pathway that's going to lead to these traumatic events from happening,
and find a point along that pathway that we can
intervene and make sure there's checks in place or something
in order to make sure that everyone's above board, whether
that's some sort of a dog ownership license, and you
(05:40):
have to accrue a certain amount of points of sort
of like professional development but for dog ownership along the way,
whatever it is. But we need to get people a
little bit more active when it comes to the appropriate
housing of these animals.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
As I was saying before talking to you, this horrific
incident where this use tiny little dog was mauled to
death by a staffy cross and that the physical size
of the dogs would mean that the little maltiler had
no chance at all. But staffy crosses are renowned for
(06:13):
being vicious dogs. Is there a case to be said
for banning dogs of this nature?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The banning dogs. They've tried to ban breeds in the past,
and banning breeds just sends the breeding of those breeds
into the underground. So that's not the answer either, all right,
So again we need to be a little bit more
proactive onto the whole. Dog ownership doesn't matter what dog
you're going to get, right, dog ownership is dog ownership.
You need to have a firearms license because the firearm
(06:41):
can potentially cause death, and a lot of these dogs
and breeds like they can cause serious harm. Doesn't matter
what that it's an aggressive breed or whatever. We had
a Jack Russell maybe a year or so ago at
a playground attack a little child. So again it's not
the size of the breed, it's the fact that these
dogs don't they how to function in today's society because
(07:03):
they're not living balanced and clear lifestyles.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
What advice would you have for people listening in who
have a dog or are thinking about getting a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Cold Dog Club so that we can guide you through
the process. We consult with people from before they even
get dogs so that we can actually take them on
a journey so they really understand what they're getting into
and we can find the appropriate sort of dog to
fit their lifestyle, and then we can guide them through
the process so they don't have any of these issues.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Great advice. Thanks for your time today, Daniel, great to
chat that much.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Have a good rue face.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Daniel Tropiano K nine Relationship coach. What are your thoughts, folks,
do you have a dog, do you trust it, has
it been trained? And as Daniel said, it not necessarily
the size of the dog. It just can be the
dog's demeanor. Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings
A story that was on seven News the other night
that horrified me and no doubt you too if you
saw it. An ADLEI woman was devastated after a thirteen
year old little pup wasn't so much a pup dog
but tiny little puppy, Lulu, fatally mauled by an off
leash staffy cross at Croydon and Verma said the dog
(00:21):
launched at them, leaving Lulu with horrific injuries. The attackers
owner fled without offering help or contact details. The incident
has sparked renewed concern over off leash dogs in public parks,
and significant reforms to dog and cat laws, including banning
puppy farms, expanding feral cat eradication, and increasing penalties for
dog owners that attack people and other animals has passed
(00:43):
state parliament. So to talk to us principally about the
dog issue is canine relationship coach and dog club owner
Daniel Tropiano. Daniel, good morning to you. How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, good morning, Graham. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's a pleasure now you're involved with the dog. So
that's the angle we'll look at. There are obviously far
too many of these cases where dogs uncontrolled and this
case maulled and killed a small dog, but it could
just as easily have been a young child.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I totally agree with you. I've been waving my hands
about this issue on five Laid over the last couple
of years. The problem is is that we have a
systemic failure here, and we can make all the changes
to the Acts, which is a reactive response to a
traumatic situation, it's not going to stop these dog attacks
from happening. It may create a bigger consequence to the
(01:37):
people once they happen, but we're still going to experience
the trauma before we even address the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So what do we need to do.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, Again, we need to work with the industry in
order to come up with some sort of regulations, whether
that's on the front end of dog ownership. We need
to have some sort of compelling system where we need
to make dog owners aware of the fact that when
you keep these animals there's a serious amount of work
that needs to go into them to make sure that
they can be productive in our society. And those people
(02:10):
that buy dogs at the minute and how clueless to that,
are not going to be reading the Act to see
what punishments they may face if the dog is responsible
for a dug attack, because most of these people, they
will tell you that, well, my dog has never shown
me signs of doing this until the day that happened.
We're going to have more and more problems.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I mean, any dog can bite it, there's no question
about that. But isn't it the case that there are
certain breeds of dogs that are more prone to be
quite vicious.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh, like we have breeds that are bred for jobs. Yes,
of course, there's certain jobs that require a different type
of character in the dog. The thing that remains the
same is that we have a standard that we need
to live by in society, and it doesn't matter what
sort of person you are, you still need to follow
that standard of behavior. And the fact is is that
we don't have that same approach when it comes to
the dog world. We think that we need to make
(03:01):
these dogs bouncing off the walls, excited and happy to
be wherever they are, and all this arousal is just
covering some nervous dogs underneath, and it's going to lead
to more and more problems. Again, so from a training perspective,
what we would like to see is a realistic approach
to the training aspect of these animals. The thing is
that stood out in the Deputy Premier's media release, or
(03:24):
the media release I was sent quoting the Deputy Premiere,
was that she said that these punishments are going to
act as a great deterrence. Now I'm happy for the
fact that she used the word punishment, because if you
look in all the literature coming from the Dog and
Cat Management Board, the RSPCA, nearly every counselor in our state,
they all say that punishment has no place in behavior modification.
(03:46):
But that's just not the case, and that's why the
whole system fails. Even a training perspective. The narrative is
that you cannot punish these dogs. It's punishment that is
going to come into play, which is going to keep
dogs in society to a standard of behavior that's necessary.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So you believe that every dog should have to be trained.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I do. I definitely believe that even a little shits do.
It doesn't matter the breed, doesn't matter, what sort of
person we are, doesn't matter if we're big or small.
We all have to follow the rules.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And this is the thing, isn't it. I Mean, you
get a lot of people say, look, I've just got this.
It's a little lap dog and it wouldn't hurt a fly.
But you're suggesting that every dog needs to be trained.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, you look at the little lap dog, right, Nana's
little white multi shits do and walks down the street
and is barking at everything that it sees. Now that
same behavior is the start to a potential by risk, right,
So guess the fact that it's a little white dog
doesn't mean that it's not on the pathway to potentially
biting someone. So of course every dog needs to understand
the rules.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
So where do we start. What have we got to do?
I mean, as you've said, you know, imposing strict fines
and punishments is at the wrong end of the process.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Definitely end of process. The punishment is only effective if
the timing of the punishment is correct and the size
of the punishment is correct. And what we're doing here
is we're coming in way after the fact and we're
trying to give a huge punishment. But like I said,
it doesn't stop. We can put things in place. I
don't know what they are yet. But if we look
(05:20):
at the same way that we build behavior and dogs
and get rid of behavior. If we can follow the
pathway that's going to lead to these traumatic events from happening,
and find a point along that pathway that we can
intervene and make sure there's checks in place or something
in order to make sure that everyone's above board, whether
that's some sort of a dog ownership license, and you
(05:40):
have to accrue a certain amount of points of sort
of like professional development but for dog ownership along the way,
whatever it is. But we need to get people a
little bit more active when it comes to the appropriate
housing of these animals.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
As I was saying before talking to you, this horrific
incident where this use tiny little dog was mauled to
death by a staffy cross and that the physical size
of the dogs would mean that the little maltiler had
no chance at all. But staffy crosses are renowned for
(06:13):
being vicious dogs. Is there a case to be said
for banning dogs of this nature?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The banning dogs. They've tried to ban breeds in the past,
and banning breeds just sends the breeding of those breeds
into the underground. So that's not the answer either, all right,
So again we need to be a little bit more
proactive onto the whole. Dog ownership doesn't matter what dog
you're going to get, right, dog ownership is dog ownership.
You need to have a firearms license because the firearm
(06:41):
can potentially cause death, and a lot of these dogs
and breeds like they can cause serious harm. Doesn't matter
what that it's an aggressive breed or whatever. We had
a Jack Russell maybe a year or so ago at
a playground attack a little child. So again it's not
the size of the breed, it's the fact that these
dogs don't they how to function in today's society because
(07:03):
they're not living balanced and clear lifestyles.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
What advice would you have for people listening in who
have a dog or are thinking about getting a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Cold Dog Club so that we can guide you through
the process. We consult with people from before they even
get dogs so that we can actually take them on
a journey so they really understand what they're getting into
and we can find the appropriate sort of dog to
fit their lifestyle, and then we can guide them through
the process so they don't have any of these issues.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Great advice. Thanks for your time today, Daniel, great to
chat that much.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Have a good rue face.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Daniel Tropiano K nine Relationship coach. What are your thoughts, folks,
do you have a dog, do you trust it, has
it been trained? And as Daniel said, it not necessarily
the size of the dog. It just can be the
dog's demeanor. Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings
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