August 19, 2025 • 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kars Samaras of Redbridge Group Australia is on the line,
calls good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
To you, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Where has all this support for labor come from.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's fairly it's pretty much a continuation of what we
saw on election nine. That is a very strong level
of support for labor within urban Australia, so in Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane,
Sydney and so on, where of course the Coalition lost
a lot of seats. They currently only hold around ten
urban seats in the entire country. So we see that
(00:32):
trend is continuing and I think it will get worse
unless something drastically changes over the next three years.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's been claimed that a large amount of labor supporters
come from migrants.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
They do. Historically, it's always been the case. After the
Second World War, the first of wave of migrants, we
really did only see them appear on the elector role
and actually in the nineteen eighties they took some time
for that particular ways to find its own on the
electoral roll and obviously that created a whole bunch of
(01:04):
seats in Adelaide, but also another parts of the country
where labor was obviously very successful and securing those seats.
We're now seeing the second wave and that's again having
a fairly positive impact on Labour's electro fortunes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now you're reported as saying that Australia's Indian community has
emerged as a powerful voting block for Labor.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, yeah, that's right. If we can buy not only
the Indian diaspora but also the Chinese, the aspert in
this country, they're close to combine of one million in
this country already in the state of Victoria, for example,
where the Indian community is added its largest within the
close of this decade, we will see in excess of
six hundred and seven hundred thousand Indian Australians actually voting
(01:49):
at elections.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
At the last poll, what percentage of those Indian members
of the community voted Labor.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, between seventy five and eighty five percent opinion where
we looked, and a little bit lower in Queensland, but
higher in Victoria. But there are very significent levels of
support for the Labor Party at the moment.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Does it surprise you that the Indian community have voted
so strongly for Labor?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Not really, although when we do speak to them, they
will go at some length of explaining to us their
values matrix, so to speak, and that is they are
wealth accumulators, they run small businesses, they are all about aspiration,
the sort of qualities that you would say would have
been attractive to a John Howard government.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I was going to say that sounds more like a
coalition voted to me.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, correct. But the more we asked him was so
why aren't you voting for the coalition? Their response is
I don't like this. It's unfortunately for the coalition, particularly
over the last ten years. I wouldn't say this is
necessarily the case under how a bit more under Abbot
Turnboard than Morrison. They developed a fairly anti immigration narrative,
although when you look at the stats during their tenure,
(03:04):
two hundred thousand permanent residents will coming to this country
every year, the same as it is right now. So
you could know the policies didn't change, but the rhetoric did,
and the rhetoric his way actually would hurt them.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So where does all this leave the coalition? They have
a new leader in Susan Lee. Is she making any
traction in any impact at all?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now? Look, I think it isn't really about the leader. Now,
it's really about them as a political movement in this country.
They need to have a serious think about where they're
going to head as a political movement. I would say
the existential crisis that they're facing is akin to the
sort of problems that the conservative forces in this country
faced in nineteen forty three, when men decide to go
(03:45):
and form a new political party. That's how drastic it is.
Of course it is. On May third, it was the
lowest result that had since nineteen forty three.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I know they've had roundtable meetings and talking of an
new direction, but do you see any change in the
direction of the coalition.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Seating were expressed by some elements of their leadership. But
their problem is they lack the discipline and a lot
of their backbenches out there freelancing on issues which are
hurting them. So, whether it's on migration, whether it's on zero,
all these policies which have created all this problems for
(04:26):
them are still been basically torn down by elements within
that caucus.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
There's an election what two and a half years ago,
I guess is that a long enough time for the
coalition to make up ground.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, they're going to have to get They have to
get the skates on because there's going to be an
additional seven hundred thousand generations z on the elector role
from the May third election of this year too when
that election occurs, and that's fairly problematic for the coalition
because they only are receiving a round one in five
of those Australians instead of support in the ballot box.
(05:07):
So they've got a few problems to actually confront and overcome.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The migration levels are still huge are The latest figure
show that more than fifteen hundred new arrivals to a
stay there every day, and on past record it would
appear that most of those would favor labor.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
They do just historically, and what we do know is
that those who arrived in this country and of recent
times and voter at the recent federal action the latest
would have been twenty nineteen, usually takes about five to
six years before we see someone appeal on the elector roles,
sometimes a little bit longer, sometimes as much as ten years.
(05:49):
So what we're seeing in twenty twenty eight is those
individuals who arrived in this country just before the pandemic
and just after the pandemic would have been rolled to vote.
So there is a bit of a lag and so
all that the migration intake that we're seeing at the moment,
we really want to see that manifest in the ballot
(06:10):
box for at least another ten years now.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The Coalition certainly got its work cut out for it.
Cos Samaras, thanks for time today. Thank you, Director of Redbridge.
Cos Samaras on the situation that prim and Anthony Albanezi,
his popularity continues to soar despite the cost of living crisis,
the housing crisis, the aldill bloom, you name it, Way
more popular than the Liberals, way more popular than the
(06:34):
Coalition as a whole. Well, joining me and Ow in
the studio, I have Sunda, Gosh Sawanda. Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Good morning grem and thanks for having me on the show. Really,
thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, look why Sunda is in the studio. Sonda is
an account manager here at five Double A and for Nova,
and he was concerned about some of the direction we're
talking about immigration and the radar immigration and a lot
of people were sort of saying we're getting the wrong
sort of people. It's a burden on the community, it's
a burden on the nation. So many people coming into
(07:09):
the country. So Sundha, I'd like you to tell your story.
Now you've been in Australia for two years, you've been
from India. How difficult was it for you and your
family to be granted visas to Australia.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Okay, it took almost about three years for us to
be granted visa. The reason I actually wanted to talk
about it is because this is something that I heard
yesterday about people talking about immigration as if people are
just boarding one of the dreamliners flying into the city
(07:43):
and just they probably just start living in Australia without
a proper screening process. The idea that I want to
convey in today's discussion is the fact that US immigrants
we go through a proper screening process before we are
actually granted the visa by the government. So not only
(08:06):
the screening process, it's also about us setting for an
English exam for us to prove our capability in terms
of listening, reading, writing, and understanding English as a language
to communicate when we come into Australia. Also the fact
that our experience, our educations are all we go through
(08:27):
again a screening process where we apply to relevant departments
in Australia. Who figure out whether we are eligible to
work in the in the nation. Now, having said that,
us coming in here, you know, uh trying to seek
accommodation for us, going through multiple inspection to be able
(08:49):
to get one of the homes for us to rent.
That itself is such a hassle because no property owner,
no property ential agent, would give that home to us
right away, that house to us right away. They would
take us. They won't take our our applications in a
(09:09):
way that they would take an Australian UH living in
this in this uh in any city in Australia in general.
So they would they would ask on the sidelines for
deposits which are upwards of six months plus. So it's
not an easy game for us to be able to
come here and you know, start living straight away. The
(09:33):
point I'm trying to communicate is we are here to
to be able to uh positively impact, make an impact
in the society, contribute to the society and you know,
be a part of a well oiled missionary We as
soon as we come into Australia, we are not living
(09:54):
on welfare. There are certain types of visas which we
are granted. Like for me, I'm on a four nine
one visa. So I have to be able to, you know,
contribute to show my taxes every year for the next
three years to be able to granted a permanent residency.
Pouset that I will be able to, you know, get
(10:14):
to CenTra link and get to get all those welfare
schemes that government has for a normal Australian.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You can understand people's concern thinking so many people are
coming into the country. You know, if they do end
up on welfare, they don't have jobs, they're taking our houses. Now,
I think you would agree that you know, you're more
than welcome in Australian and you're making a contribution and
that's appreciated. But the immigration levels are just far too high.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Actually, I also believe the same. I believe quality over
quantity has to be given precedents here. But if you
know for a fact that there's someone here sitting at
the top have ensured that the entire screening process has
been fair, It has been taken through multiple round of
(11:01):
internal discussions for them to be able to grant visas
to a particular person, why would we question their authority?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now, what money do you have to put up front
to come into Australia.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Almost to the tune of ten to fifteen thousand dollars
for a family of three to be able to granted
you know, Australian visas.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And do you have to have guaranteed a place to live?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Not really, we'll have to go through As I said,
we have to go through the process. When I came in,
I booked an airbnb for four weeks, paid almost about
ten thousand dollars to be there, and then while I
was there, I actively looked for rentals and eventually I
did a win something and that's when I moved on
(11:44):
to a rental home.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So thanks for coming in and telling your story. I
can understand your concern and thanks for sharing it with us.
But there are two issues here. It's the size of
the migration the quality of the migrants. And you're saying
the screening process is such that we we are getting
the right kind of people here and you are having
to fulfill so many requirements to become a part of Australia.
(12:08):
So thank you for telling us your story. Appreciated.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Thank you, Graham, Take care.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Sundar Gosh, who's an account to manager at A five
A and over with his story on becoming a migrant,
an immigrant to Australia, and I think the issue is
it's the quantity, isn't it. We need good quality migrants.
This country has grown to where it has been in
the past by the standard of migration, we've done it
(12:35):
pretty well. But in the last what is it twenty
five years, our population has grown by forty three percent.
Forty three percent, it's the fastest growth rate in the
developed world and has got totally out of hand. There
are not enough homes for the people that are already here,
and we're letting more people in at the rate of
(12:56):
fifteen hundred and forty four a day. Fifteen hundred and
forty four a day. That will mean in three years
time a city the size of Adelaide would need to
be created to house them. So, you know, it is
a ludicrous situation. And that's another question that we would
ask the Prime Minister if he was available to come
on the line today.
Kars Samaras of Redbridge Group Australia is on the line,
calls good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
To you, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Where has all this support for labor come from.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's fairly it's pretty much a continuation of what we
saw on election nine. That is a very strong level
of support for labor within urban Australia, so in Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane,
Sydney and so on, where of course the Coalition lost
a lot of seats. They currently only hold around ten
urban seats in the entire country. So we see that
(00:32):
trend is continuing and I think it will get worse
unless something drastically changes over the next three years.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's been claimed that a large amount of labor supporters
come from migrants.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
They do. Historically, it's always been the case. After the
Second World War, the first of wave of migrants, we
really did only see them appear on the elector role
and actually in the nineteen eighties they took some time
for that particular ways to find its own on the
electoral roll and obviously that created a whole bunch of
(01:04):
seats in Adelaide, but also another parts of the country
where labor was obviously very successful and securing those seats.
We're now seeing the second wave and that's again having
a fairly positive impact on Labour's electro fortunes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now you're reported as saying that Australia's Indian community has
emerged as a powerful voting block for Labor.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, yeah, that's right. If we can buy not only
the Indian diaspora but also the Chinese, the aspert in
this country, they're close to combine of one million in
this country already in the state of Victoria, for example,
where the Indian community is added its largest within the
close of this decade, we will see in excess of
six hundred and seven hundred thousand Indian Australians actually voting
(01:49):
at elections.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
At the last poll, what percentage of those Indian members
of the community voted Labor.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, between seventy five and eighty five percent opinion where
we looked, and a little bit lower in Queensland, but
higher in Victoria. But there are very significent levels of
support for the Labor Party at the moment.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Does it surprise you that the Indian community have voted
so strongly for Labor?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Not really, although when we do speak to them, they
will go at some length of explaining to us their
values matrix, so to speak, and that is they are
wealth accumulators, they run small businesses, they are all about aspiration,
the sort of qualities that you would say would have
been attractive to a John Howard government.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I was going to say that sounds more like a
coalition voted to me.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right, correct. But the more we asked him was so
why aren't you voting for the coalition? Their response is
I don't like this. It's unfortunately for the coalition, particularly
over the last ten years. I wouldn't say this is
necessarily the case under how a bit more under Abbot
Turnboard than Morrison. They developed a fairly anti immigration narrative,
although when you look at the stats during their tenure,
(03:04):
two hundred thousand permanent residents will coming to this country
every year, the same as it is right now. So
you could know the policies didn't change, but the rhetoric did,
and the rhetoric his way actually would hurt them.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So where does all this leave the coalition? They have
a new leader in Susan Lee. Is she making any
traction in any impact at all?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now? Look, I think it isn't really about the leader. Now,
it's really about them as a political movement in this country.
They need to have a serious think about where they're
going to head as a political movement. I would say
the existential crisis that they're facing is akin to the
sort of problems that the conservative forces in this country
faced in nineteen forty three, when men decide to go
(03:45):
and form a new political party. That's how drastic it is.
Of course it is. On May third, it was the
lowest result that had since nineteen forty three.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I know they've had roundtable meetings and talking of an
new direction, but do you see any change in the
direction of the coalition.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Seating were expressed by some elements of their leadership. But
their problem is they lack the discipline and a lot
of their backbenches out there freelancing on issues which are
hurting them. So, whether it's on migration, whether it's on zero,
all these policies which have created all this problems for
(04:26):
them are still been basically torn down by elements within
that caucus.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
There's an election what two and a half years ago,
I guess is that a long enough time for the
coalition to make up ground.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, they're going to have to get They have to
get the skates on because there's going to be an
additional seven hundred thousand generations z on the elector role
from the May third election of this year too when
that election occurs, and that's fairly problematic for the coalition
because they only are receiving a round one in five
of those Australians instead of support in the ballot box.
(05:07):
So they've got a few problems to actually confront and overcome.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The migration levels are still huge are The latest figure
show that more than fifteen hundred new arrivals to a
stay there every day, and on past record it would
appear that most of those would favor labor.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
They do just historically, and what we do know is
that those who arrived in this country and of recent
times and voter at the recent federal action the latest
would have been twenty nineteen, usually takes about five to
six years before we see someone appeal on the elector roles,
sometimes a little bit longer, sometimes as much as ten years.
(05:49):
So what we're seeing in twenty twenty eight is those
individuals who arrived in this country just before the pandemic
and just after the pandemic would have been rolled to vote.
So there is a bit of a lag and so
all that the migration intake that we're seeing at the moment,
we really want to see that manifest in the ballot
(06:10):
box for at least another ten years now.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The Coalition certainly got its work cut out for it.
Cos Samaras, thanks for time today. Thank you, Director of Redbridge.
Cos Samaras on the situation that prim and Anthony Albanezi,
his popularity continues to soar despite the cost of living crisis,
the housing crisis, the aldill bloom, you name it, Way
more popular than the Liberals, way more popular than the
(06:34):
Coalition as a whole. Well, joining me and Ow in
the studio, I have Sunda, Gosh Sawanda. Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Good morning grem and thanks for having me on the show. Really,
thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, look why Sunda is in the studio. Sonda is
an account manager here at five Double A and for Nova,
and he was concerned about some of the direction we're
talking about immigration and the radar immigration and a lot
of people were sort of saying we're getting the wrong
sort of people. It's a burden on the community, it's
a burden on the nation. So many people coming into
(07:09):
the country. So Sundha, I'd like you to tell your story.
Now you've been in Australia for two years, you've been
from India. How difficult was it for you and your
family to be granted visas to Australia.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Okay, it took almost about three years for us to
be granted visa. The reason I actually wanted to talk
about it is because this is something that I heard
yesterday about people talking about immigration as if people are
just boarding one of the dreamliners flying into the city
(07:43):
and just they probably just start living in Australia without
a proper screening process. The idea that I want to
convey in today's discussion is the fact that US immigrants
we go through a proper screening process before we are
actually granted the visa by the government. So not only
(08:06):
the screening process, it's also about us setting for an
English exam for us to prove our capability in terms
of listening, reading, writing, and understanding English as a language
to communicate when we come into Australia. Also the fact
that our experience, our educations are all we go through
(08:27):
again a screening process where we apply to relevant departments
in Australia. Who figure out whether we are eligible to
work in the in the nation. Now, having said that,
us coming in here, you know, uh trying to seek
accommodation for us, going through multiple inspection to be able
(08:49):
to get one of the homes for us to rent.
That itself is such a hassle because no property owner,
no property ential agent, would give that home to us
right away, that house to us right away. They would
take us. They won't take our our applications in a
(09:09):
way that they would take an Australian UH living in
this in this uh in any city in Australia in general.
So they would they would ask on the sidelines for
deposits which are upwards of six months plus. So it's
not an easy game for us to be able to
come here and you know, start living straight away. The
(09:33):
point I'm trying to communicate is we are here to
to be able to uh positively impact, make an impact
in the society, contribute to the society and you know,
be a part of a well oiled missionary We as
soon as we come into Australia, we are not living
(09:54):
on welfare. There are certain types of visas which we
are granted. Like for me, I'm on a four nine
one visa. So I have to be able to, you know,
contribute to show my taxes every year for the next
three years to be able to granted a permanent residency.
Pouset that I will be able to, you know, get
(10:14):
to CenTra link and get to get all those welfare
schemes that government has for a normal Australian.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
You can understand people's concern thinking so many people are
coming into the country. You know, if they do end
up on welfare, they don't have jobs, they're taking our houses. Now,
I think you would agree that you know, you're more
than welcome in Australian and you're making a contribution and
that's appreciated. But the immigration levels are just far too high.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Actually, I also believe the same. I believe quality over
quantity has to be given precedents here. But if you
know for a fact that there's someone here sitting at
the top have ensured that the entire screening process has
been fair, It has been taken through multiple round of
(11:01):
internal discussions for them to be able to grant visas
to a particular person, why would we question their authority?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now, what money do you have to put up front
to come into Australia.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Almost to the tune of ten to fifteen thousand dollars
for a family of three to be able to granted
you know, Australian visas.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And do you have to have guaranteed a place to live?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Not really, we'll have to go through As I said,
we have to go through the process. When I came in,
I booked an airbnb for four weeks, paid almost about
ten thousand dollars to be there, and then while I
was there, I actively looked for rentals and eventually I
did a win something and that's when I moved on
(11:44):
to a rental home.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So thanks for coming in and telling your story. I
can understand your concern and thanks for sharing it with us.
But there are two issues here. It's the size of
the migration the quality of the migrants. And you're saying
the screening process is such that we we are getting
the right kind of people here and you are having
to fulfill so many requirements to become a part of Australia.
(12:08):
So thank you for telling us your story. Appreciated.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Thank you, Graham, Take care.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Sundar Gosh, who's an account to manager at A five
A and over with his story on becoming a migrant,
an immigrant to Australia, and I think the issue is
it's the quantity, isn't it. We need good quality migrants.
This country has grown to where it has been in
the past by the standard of migration, we've done it
(12:35):
pretty well. But in the last what is it twenty
five years, our population has grown by forty three percent.
Forty three percent, it's the fastest growth rate in the
developed world and has got totally out of hand. There
are not enough homes for the people that are already here,
and we're letting more people in at the rate of
(12:56):
fifteen hundred and forty four a day. Fifteen hundred and
forty four a day. That will mean in three years
time a city the size of Adelaide would need to
be created to house them. So, you know, it is
a ludicrous situation. And that's another question that we would
ask the Prime Minister if he was available to come
on the line today.
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