Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 12 June 2025 - Mornings with Graeme Goodings

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Welcome to this Thursday, June the twelfth. The
sun is shining a beautiful day in Adelaide. Well, there's
tension in Canberra and on North Terrace this morning with
news the Pentagon has launched a review of the Orchist
Defense Pact to make sure it's a line with Trump's
America First agenda. It's around the two hundred and forty
billion dollar agreement with the US that the US has

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with Australia and Britain into some doubt. And we're going
to speak on that and about that with the Strategic
Analysis Australia Director of Defense Strategy and National Security program
Michael Showbridge in a short while. Also, what's happening to
news and Current Affairs on TV? Two of Australia's longest
running current affairs programs are being pulled from the air,

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raising serious questions about the future of news driven television.
As you know or have heard, Channel ten has confirmed
that the project will end on June twenty seven after
more than four and a half thousand episodes. Meanwhile, over
at the ABC, the flagship panel program Q and A
has been axd after seventeen seasons and over five hundred episodes.

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We'll speak with media Stable TV commentator Nick Hayes about
that students as young as fourteen are being asked to
debate whether a controversial gender role movement is good for women.
The state's peak body for school debating has come under
fire after setting a controversial topic about the trad wife movement.
Debating essay sparked outrage online after it encourage year nine

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students to debate both sides of the argument the tradwife
movement is good for women. Children from across the state
will debate the topic next week as part of the
third round of the interschool competition. So what are your thoughts?
Give us a call eight double two threebleo. Some really
positive news. Adelaide Prohibition Liquor Company has triumphed at the

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twenty twenty five World Drinks Awards in London, taking home
multiple top honors, named Brand Innovator of the Year, Southern
State and Distilly also claimed World's Best Coffee Liqueur for
its Bootleg blend and World's Best Nut Licure for its
hazel nut and macadamia creation. We will hope to speak
with the people from Adelaide's Prohibition Liquor Company a little
bit later on in the morning. Now, when you buy

(02:08):
a sunscreen with an SPF factor of fifty plus, it's
reasonable to assume that that's just what you're getting. But
consumer Group Choice has found that most popular sunscreens failed
to deliver the protection promised on their labels. We'll speak
with Choice about that, find out which ones you should
avoid and which ones you should subscribe to. Well. It

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was a turnout the likes of which had never been
seen on this day in nineteen sixty four. More than
three hundred thousand people lined Anzac Highway and converged on
the city to cheer scream. Some of them fainted as
the Beatles came to town and only Ringo was missing.
It wouldn't have happened but for one man. Bob Francis
will reminisce a little bit later on in the morning

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and speak with someone who was actually there and got
up close and personal with the Beatles. If you have
a Beatles story when they came to Adelaide in nineteen
sixty four, we'd love to hear it. Eight double two
to three double o double oh is the number to
ring eight double two three double doubo. I would really
like to hear your story. Also on the show today,
we have a legal segment. This being Thursday, Johnston Withers,

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practice leader Tim Darney and team leader Caplan Walkington will
be in the studio. If you have any legal queries,
legal questions, get them ready. Be on the phone at
ten thirty eight double two three, double double the number
to ring. So Lots happening on the show today, but firstly,
a cautionary tale for solar battery users. Peter Anderson joined

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agl's virtual power plant scheme in twenty twenty one, receiving
a one thousand dollars discount on his battery installation in
exchange for allowing AGL to use his battery to support
the electricity grid. He signed up for five years, but
a year in things took a bit of a turn
without clear warning. Peter was moved to a complex demand
tariff system where using grid power during peak times triggered

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higher charges for the entire month. At the same time,
AGL began draining his battery more aggressively during those peak periods,
leaving him reliant on expensive grid power. Peter says they
went from taking little bits of power to just sucking
it down to five percent. Now AGL denies fully depleting batteries,
claiming they always leave twenty percent, but frankly, draining eighty

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percent still seems somewhat excessive. Peter's bill sword prompting him
to leave the VPP. He now prefers to manage his
own energy use. If you're part of agl's VPP, check
your bills. If they're rising, it might be time to
reconsider whether the program is still worth it. If you're
on the Virtual Power Plant scheme and it's working for you,
give us a call and tell us about it. I'd

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like to hear about it. Eight double two three double
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things are happening in your neck of the woods that
you'd like to talk about, we'd love to hear from you.
You know the number eight double two three double o
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Speaker 2 (04:55):
Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Something else that I want to talk about today too,
is sir, parking in the CBD. How do you find
it well? According to the council, parking has never been better.
They've increased parking to eighteen seven hundred and fifty eight spots.
Not everyone agrees. Some of the retailers say where are
those parks? In fact, that Hut Street's ideal Shoe Repairers
owner Richard Liberalato says he can't believe there were more

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than eighteen thousand parks on the street. He reckons have
they built more streets or have they made car parks smaller?
So we'll pursue the issue a little bit later on
with the Deputy Lord Mayor Philip Martin and Richard Liberlato
about that. So what are your thoughts about parking in
the city. Do you avoid the city because parking is difficult,
too expensive or do you find that it's just too
hard to find a spot? Let's know what you're thinking.

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Love to hear at eight double two to three double
ow doublow. Well, there's tension in Candra and on North
Terrace this morning with news the Pentagon has launched a
review of the Orchest Defense packed to make sure it's
aligned with Trump's America First agenda. It's thrown the two
hundred and forty billion dollar agreement with Britain and Australia
into dart So just where do we stand? Michael Schubridge

(06:03):
is the director of Strategic Analysis Australia. He joins me, Now, Michael,
good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Hey Graham, how are you well?

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Thanks? So what do you what do you make of this?
Is there reason to be concerned?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yes, you know, I think I'm reminded of that fridge
magnet from the Howard government, the alert but not alarmed.
This is going to be a pretty serious review by
the Pentagon and then it's going to go up to
Donald Trump's desk, and there are both both looks will
will be important. You know. From the Pentagon, we know

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that Elbridge Colby, who's the undersecree of charge of this,
he's an orcho skeptic, and that's lining up with his
view of America. First, Trump's signature policy direction, and it's
all about is this deal in America's interests? And some
of the big factors there are America hasn't got enough

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of these submarines to meet his own needs and right
when we want the first three is when the US
Navy is at its low point. And even with US
ingesting cash into the deal, are we more of a
hindrance than a help as the US meets its own
industrial and production challenges.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
So could the whole ORCUS agreement be scrapped at the
end of this or or adjusted? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, scrapped is probably the more extreme end. Renegotiated I
think is pretty likely, and that sort of gets you
to the Trump side of it. I mean, Donald Trump
has made a point for years now of seeing every
deal that Joe Biden is predecessor did as a bad

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deal and either one that should be entirely ended or
negotiation renegotiated, because Trump can do a better deal for
American than Biden ever could. So I think renegotiation looks
very credible.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Is there anything ause Stratia can do? I mean, do
we just have to sit back and wait for the
outcome of this review. We have the Prime Minister going
to the G seven summit, likely to meet with the President.
Is he likely to bring up ORCUS?

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
If he doesn't, he's wasting valuable time. But I think
Australia can't look like a supplicant here. We have to
be able to say why August is important to us
and why we think us doing this with America and
the UK is good for all of us. And if
we can't make that case, and we can't show whe're

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doing the heavy lifting we need to, then we're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
The US has already called on our strata to up
our defense spending. Anthony Albanezi said, that's a decision we
will make. What are your thoughts, Well.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
This review says it's going to look at whether the
allies that the US and the Australians and the UK
in this review, stepping up with collective contributions to collective defense.
And when the Americans look at our country and our
defense capability in spending, they know that we can't afford

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the military we plan along with nuclear submarines for two
to two point three percent of GDP. So the amount
of spending is definitely going to be on the table
in this review and probably in the Trump Albanesi meeting
if they have one.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's come to light today that Australia ranks fifteenth in
defense spending. Does that show us up in a bad line?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, I don't think that means we're actually proportionally spending
less relative to our national wealth, because I think we're
about the twelfth or thirteenth largest economy, and you know
that backs up the number America is spending three and
a half percent of its GDP, and an America first perspective,

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which is Trump's view of the world, is anyone who's
spending lesson is free riding. And it's pretty hard to
say that's not true when we want American crown jewels
in the former nuclear submarine.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Australia needs Orcus just for defense of the nation, but
we also needed financially and here in South Eastralia. The
whole program is pretty much based here, so it's not
only defense issue, it's a financial security issue well.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And from an Adelaide point of view, the terrible history
of submarine decision making by various Australian governments over time
must add in to the to the concern. You know,
this is third time lucky, isn't it. We were first
going to do the Japanese submarine program, then we're doing
the French program, and now we're doing the Orchest program.

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You'd have to think if this program gets canceled and
you're sitting in somewhere like the AC, you're like the Wiggles,
what's next, chef, What's next?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
It is very concerning, But if you can step back
from it and take the economies away from it. Is
it realistic to build submarines in Australia. I mean, doesn't
Britain already have a program up and running and we
could have the submarines built there well.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Unfortunately, I think a big reason for UCAS is that
the UK needed a cash injection and Australia is providing that,
and the UK is struggling to meet its own submarine needs.
In fact, the UK government has just made their problem worse.
They just announced they're going to go from seven attack submarines,

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which is the kind we're getting, to twelve and build
them twice as fast as ever before. That looks like
a very courageous commitment and it just makes the ORCHEST
challenge worse. I think there's a real issue here about
even adding in the Australian financial and technical contribution third

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wheel in this US UK Australia partnership make it harder
or easier, and it could quite easily be decided. Actually
the extra Australian partner makes it harder.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Setting aside this current review of ORCUS is or have
there been any diplomatic or policy signals from the US
regarding our defense commitment to one another? The alliance that
we've had for many, many years.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Well, you know, there's been some positive sentiment. Certainly, people
in the US Congress are very positive about Australia, and
that's both Republicans and Democrats, and very positive about August.
The Pentagon Chief EXAs has been positive about Australia as
an ally, but he's also been pretty clear that he

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thinks Australia is underdone on defense and needs to lift
its game. And that's led to you know, our Prime
Minister saying somehow it's a sovereign it's a matter of
incredible sovereign pride for US to be underspending on defense.
So that looks weird from Washington. So there have been
signals that yes, we're a valued ally, but we really

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need to show we're doing what we need to for
our own defense and that gives us, that makes us
a valuable allie. If we look underdone, the Americans are
starting to notice.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
So what you're to stray to do? If the US
scales back its role in Orcust or becomes less reliable
as a defense partner.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, I think they're fundamental to Australia getting nuclear submarines.
So if they scale it back, I think the aucust
deal collapses, we should look to renegotiate this deal on
our turn. So there are things about it where we
think it's in our interest to do it differently, and

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I also think we need to be a little bit
open to well. Look, submarines are a military capability. There
are other military capabilities, including effective long range strike, which
is what submarines are pretty good for. And the orchestraal
delivers military power incredibly slowly. It takes thirty.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Michael, are you there. I think we've lost you.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yes? I just heard you say it takes thirty and
then you cut out.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
It takes thirty years for us to get eight nuclear submarines,
and when we've got eight, that means two are reliably
deployable because these things spend most of their life at
import and being maintained. So I think we need to
not panic about a review and take it as an
opportunity to look at it in a pretty clear eyede

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way from our own point of view.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Donald Trump wrote a book called the Art of the Deal.
He's a deal maker. He puts out ideas sometimes are crazy,
but this thought behind it. He's initiating a deal. Is
there anything overarching that Australia can offer America and say
as part of the deal we can do this. Do
we have any chips that we can throw under the
game to make ORCT more attractive.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, where we're a pretty close ally. That's seen in
every conflict with America since federation, so that's a strong car.
We're also giving America a forward operating base in Western
Australia for its own submarines as part of this deal.
That matters, But I think we should show whe're doing

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the heavy lifting we need to do on UCAS and
therefore we're more than pulling our weight, and that a
mean doing things we've taken off the table for a
long time, like where's this these post submarine based going
to been? And when are we going to start constructing it?
At the moment the Australian government is going to be
telling the trumpet and oh we don't think we've even

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got to work out where the site is for that
base for a decade. That doesn't really look like we're
all in. So we could make some changes to show
we want this.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Now. Michael, final question, any idea how long this ORCUS
review will take?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, the Trump administration has kicked off heaps of reviews
and a lot of these things are sort of ninety
day or six months. I'd be thinking that's the kind
of time frame because there's a whole urgency about the
way the Trump administration is rolling, and I think both
Donald Trump and Pete Hexit will be impatient, so I

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think it's a shorter rather than longer review.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Michael, thanks so much for your insight today. That's Michael Schubridge,
Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, on the Orcus Defil deal,
the fact that it is under review in America at
the moment. What are your thoughts? Eight double two to
three double double back shortly.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Twenty eight to ten five double A. I see that
Tom Harley has been appointed Chief Operating Officer of the AFL.
Not a surprise that's been mooted for the last few days. Harley,
who started his footbook career Port Adelaide, played one game
for Port I believe, and couldn't get a game for Port,
but when then went to Geelong, played pretty well, became captain,

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played in a couple of premierships, went on to become
a CEO to Sydney, obviously impressed at an administration level,
and now going to the big office in Melbourne, appointed
Chief Operating Officer of the AFL, and we wish him
well too well. In the red corner the City of
Adelaide boldly claiming it has more parking than ever before.

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In the blue corner Adelaide' ce traders who say the
council has a war on cars, with several proposed developments
slashing parking spaces. So what is the situation? Joining me
now is the Deputy Lord Mayor Phil Martin. Phil, Good
morning to you.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Good morning again Graham. How are you?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I'm very wealthy, thanks, So what is the situation with
car parking spaces? Are there more than they have been
in the past?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Well there are in fact, indeed, listening to you talking
about a war on cars, unless to wonder whether in
fact we've actually had a war on truth. The number
of car spaces in the City of Adelaide have increased
substantially over the years. In fact, over the last quarter
century it's just been going up and up. Currently we

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have of the order of nineteen nineteen of street parts
and that compares to a number two years ago that
was about two hundred fewer. But we also have, of
course parking off street and off street parking is provided

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by both the City of Adelaide and commercial car parks
is also substantial twenty eight cars and when you propose
two numbers together, you end up with umping around forty
five forty seven car spaces. And then on top of
that we have parking that provided associates associated with commercial

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developments of the city, and that lifts it even further
up to around fifty three thousand spaces. We actually have
the highest rate of car parking available to workers in
the country. No twenty five car spaces per worker available
every day in the City of adelate.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
So, Deputy Lord Mayor, why is it then that so
many people feel like the city councilor's anti cars. They
want to get cars off the street, they want people
to use public transport, and you know, they want more
green space. You know, we seem to be an odds here.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Well, yes, I think there's a lot of misinformation around Graham.
I don't know where it comes from, but it's disappointing
because the truth of the matter and we are dealing
with truth rather than fear and anxiety. The truth is
there is a growing number of car par parking spaces
available at the city on street and off street, and

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it's part of a pattern that's been going on for
twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
So what is the long term plan. I know, greening
the city is wonderful and it would be great for
people to use more public transport. It to be good
for the climate, good for all sorts of things. Is
the long term plan to reduce the number of car parks?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
No, it's not, actually, Graham. Certainly, we've got proposals for
a number of streets in the city which we want
to upgrade, and we are talking to our rate players
at stakeholders about what kind of design they'd like to
see and testing whether or not they're prepared to lose
car parking spaces in return for greater amenity. That's a discussion.

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Nothing has happened at all. But even if all of
the plans on the table were enacted, we would still
have more car parking spaces in the City of Adelat
than we had last year. So no, that is not
the strategy of the city. But it is a strategy
of the city to encourage people to use public transport

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to encourage people to use alternative forms of transport like eastcoots,
which are caught on in the city of Adat, bicycles,
other forms of transport including Shanks's pony as we used
to call it, walking the length of the city.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
There are plans though out there to reduce the number
of parking places on Hot Street, O'Connell Street and Gudia
Street over the next year or two.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
No, there are not plans for that. We have a
series of proposals for community consultation, including on Hunt Street
and O'Connell Street. Those consultations, I think have concluded. The
reports are due to come to council shortly, and if
those reports show that there is overwhelming opposition to any

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of the proposal, then the elected body will have the
opportunity of saying yes, we'll do it, so we won't
do it, or we might do it this way instead.
And there are lots of options. Of course, one of
the options that's always open to council, and I'm talking
about the elected body and pressing a personality, but it's

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always open to council say no, we don't want to
do that, we want to leave parking as it is.
We might upgrade public roun make sure that we've got
great foot paths and we've got great street furniture. Maybe
we'll leave to parking as it is. That's an option
that's open to council. So when those reports come back,
that discussion will occur. But right at this moment, car

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parking in the city of Adelaide is looking something like
a car parking oasis.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Phil Martin always great to chat. That's the Deputy Lord
Mayor of Adelaide, Phil Martin, on the amount of parking.
How do you say it? Do you find there's always
plenty of spots when you drive into the city. I'd
like to know your feelings on it. Or as the
Deputy Lord Mayor said, you know, per capita, we have
more parking spaces in our city than any other city

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in Australia. Is it just an illusion than that we
seem to be losing parking splaces? Or somebody who questions
the number of spots we've got, not the numerical number,
but the fact that it's not easy to find them.
Is hot street ideal Tooe Repair owner Richard Libretto, who
joins men are Richard, good morning.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
To you, good morning, how are you look.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, thanks, now you heard the Deputy Lord mayor. You've
been feeling pretty strongly about that. What you're feeling regarding
car parking spaces in the city.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Look the car parking in the city, it seems to
be okay at this stage. I mean, the problem is,
like they said, you know, we're getting more car parks,
but we've actually got a lot more residents moving into
the city. Just behind hut Street along East Terrace, we've
got so many multi story partment buildings going in in
Hurdle Square long East Terrace nowhere that we have a

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lot more residents. And yeah, some of them have two cars,
some have one cars. They're not a lot of the
new buildings that are going in they're not even allocated
provisional parking, you know. So there's a lot of residence
there which are having to park on the streets. And
we've got a lot more workers coming back into the city.
But I mean, our biggest gripe at the moment here
in Hart Street is one of the proposals they put

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forward was the fact that we're going to go one
lay each way with parking on each side, parallel parking,
and then during the day there'll be fine. We're have
parking each side, but at peach times we only have
one side of the road to park on. So we
reduced from one hundred and fifty to seventy eight I think,
and then then peak times have dropped down to thirty
five car parks in the street, which is fine, but

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then how much of that's going to be electric and
how much of that's for disability you know, So it
does restrict the amount of parking we're going to have
in the street.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
So what impact do you think that will have on
retailers in hot Street?

Speaker 7 (25:00):
It'll be huge.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I mean it's the retailers, but it's the service industries
as well, you know. For ourselves. You know, we cater
a lot for endis, so we've got a lot of
people which are elderly or disability and they really do struggle.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Unfortunately Adelaide, as much as we have ample sparking parking,
the most parking spaces in the country, the fact that
Adelaide spoiled seventy five Columbus along the coastline. We don't
have the public transport of Sydney or Melbourne. You know,
you go to Sydney and is a training every three
or seven minutes. Melbourne, we've got a fantastic circle circular
train network, which is brilliant. You know, we're never going

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to get a train here in Adelaide, not for many years,
and we don't have the population to do it. But
you know, maybe they should start introducing electric or hydrogen buses,
that is, big buses. They could be small eighteen seasons,
but make them frequent, every five minutes, running in a
continuous left. Then people will jump on and off quite easily.
I mean, it works well in Melbourne, you.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean maybe hydrogen buses or electric us as the
smaller ones, even mini buses as long as you're standing
in the street and you missed one and you see
another one coming down the road, perfect excellent. You know,
it opens up the entire CBD. People can catch a
train into Victoria Square or catch a train into the
train station and jump on the loop and they can

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access the whole CBD that way. But you know, we
are spoiled out quite a bit along the coastline. So
I mean, we've got seven percent i'd say roughly of
our clientele. They are here in the city, but everyone
health has to come in from Oh my god, we've
got plants from Victor, Harbort and gaul Or. They're coming
from everywhere. Well, Richard, and it's the same with the chemist.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
This idea for reducing the number of parking spaces is
not set in concrete as yet. It's been considered by
the city council. So have you approached the council? Is
there the retail traders have voiced their opinions, Yes, of
course we have.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, And I think a final graph is due towards
the end of this month, early July, so it will
come down the consultation again. But you know, I mean,
you have to boich your opinions, but to sort of
sit quietly nothing will ever happen. So you know, it's
nice to actually boce your opinion, and we've got the
opportunity to do it, which.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Is great, Richard, great to chat. Thank you for putting
your point of view forward. That's sir, Richard. Libralato, libra lato.
Sorry about that. Richard who has the Hot Street Ideal
Shoe Repairs, who's concerned about the removal of more car
parking spaces. He says he hard to believe there were
more than eighteen thousand on street parks in Adelaide. But

(27:31):
as you heard the Deputy Lord may say, that's a
fact eighteen seven hundred and fifty eight in fact. So
how do you find parking in the city? Do you
give it a miss? Do you use public Transport's? Public
transport good enough for you? I'd like to know you're
feeling eight double two three doubleo. Mark says the city
council must increase the parking fine for loading zones. Read

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the submarine orchest plan. Isn't it obvious that no matter
where they are built, the enemy, whoever it may be,
will have some weapons produced that could snuff up the
subs as soon as they are detected. Regards Neville Graham,
is the city council counting loading zones? Fifteen minute parks,
thirty minute parks all pretty useless for shoppers. If there
are so many parks available, why are workers parking along

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Sir Lewis Cohen Drive? Could parking be too expensive? Thank you, John,
A rubbish population gone through the roof and good morning
Graham and Patrick. Have a great day. Five double A
listeners luncheon today at the Walker's Arms Walk of the World.
Have a good time. I reckon. We'd be better off
if Orcus was scrapped, says Andrew, at a cost of
three hundred and sixty five billion dollars for three subs

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that we don't get for fifteen years. We'd be better
off paying half that for a missile defense dome. Lots
of people, lots of ideas, will take a break back
shortly five Double.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Well, we music world was saddened to learn this morning
of the death of legendary singer songwriter Brian Wilson, who
founded The Beach Boys, died at the age of eighty two.
In an Instagram message from his family, we are heartbroken
to an answer to our beloved father, Brian Wilson has
passed away, they wrote in a message shared on Instagram.
Beach Boys that was the background of a lot of

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a lot of us our lives. The Beach Boys a
musing didn't have to be a surfer. It just was
something about the music and Brian Wilson was the core
of the Beach Boys. In the legendary Brian Wilson dead

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at eighty two, Tributes of poured in from musicians, actors,
fans across the Globe. Elton John calls Brian Wilson the
biggest influence on my songwriting. He said, Brian Wilson was
always so kind to me from the day I met him.
He sang someone Saved My Life tonight at a tribute
concert in two thousand and three, and it was an
extraordinary moment for me. I played on his solo records,

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He sang on my album The Union, and even perform
for my Aides Foundation founding member of the Rolling Stones
Keith Richards, singer songwriter Mick Fleetwood, Nancy Sinatra. Tributes have
flown in were poured in from around the world. A
troubled soul, there was no question about that he had
some issues, but there's no questioning his music and the

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impact he had on other musicians as well as Elton
John said. The Beatles also were very aware of the
music of the Beach Boys and in particular Brian Wilson,
and both admitted that there was cross pollen they influenced
each other. So when the Beatles admit that they were
influenced by Brian Wilson, well, you know it must be so.
Speaking of the Beatles on this day in nineteen sixty four,

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the Beatles came to town and we're going to reminisce and
remember that a little bit later this morning. If you
have any memories of the Beatles tour of Adelaide, were
you one of the three hundred and fifty thousand people
that either line Danzac Highway as the left Adelaide Airport.
Did you meet them at the airport or did you
go to the town hall or outside the hotel? What
hotel was that they stayed at. Someone will remind me,

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but yeah, it was. It was the biggest biggest gathering
of Beatles supporters anywhere in the world for all time.
They remembered that and reminisced on the Beatles themselves that
Adelaide provided the most welcome visit that they'd been on
anywhere in the world. We'll pay tribute to their appearance.
Did you go along to Centennial Hall seen them perform

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Love to hear your story? Eight double two to three
double O double O.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Mike, Good morning, Oh Graham, the steam's coming off my shoulders.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
What's what's what's what's riled you?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Mike?

Speaker 4 (32:08):
We have talked about this before. I cannot I cannot
believe the amount of no parks available in the city
of Adelaide.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
I'm a courier.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I used to own a security company. I used to
deliver goals through Rundell Mall. Currently I work with a
team that delivered to the city.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
There are no.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Parks in and around the city precinct, full stop, full stop.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now, the deputy lads said, there's on street parking of
eighteen seven and fifty eight spots. Surely you can find
one somewhere, oh right.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
So let's talk about Frame Road when the fringe comes
along or an event comes along. Let's talk about King
Williams Street when an event comes along, because they cover
up the parking signs and they cover up the loading
signs early the day around ten am. That means no
one can deliver, no one can park, and the businesses suffer.
I've talked about this countless times on your program. I'm

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grateful for being on. Someone needs to stop, look at
what we're doing and help the businesses of Adelaide because
we can not deliver.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
So you think it's a vehicle unfriendly city.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
You bet.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
I encourage the Lord Mayor to get in my van.
I'll even.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Oops, Mike, we've lost you there and sorry, just repeat this, Yeah,
we lost you there for a second.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
I encourage the Lord Mayor to hop in my van
and I'll be happy to show her what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
So it's that serious, do you do you?

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Now?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
There are a lot of people that believe that the
Lord Mayor and the Council at large really want to
make Adelaide a car free city. Now what the Deputy
Lord Mayor said today is flies in the face of that.
We have more car parks per capita than any other city.
But there seems to be this that if we can
get people out of their cars onto public transport, make

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the city a greener place, get people walking around the city,
it's going to be a better place.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
You don't see it like that, No, no, no, How
do we deliver?

Speaker 4 (34:13):
How am I supposed to service businesses that are using
e commerce solutions in these days and times. They're using
big e commerce platforms because they're not getting the foot
traffic for retail trade full stop. If they're not getting
the retail trade, they are then turning into an e
commerce platform or an e commerce shop and they are

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servicing customers Australia. I can't get to them, I can't
pick up I can't deliver.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
So as a career, what do you need? You don't
need long term parking deal. What about the loading zones?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
We need more loading zones and we need designated zones
that are a bit longer than thirty minutes, because most
of our average drops are between ten to fifteen minutes,
and then you at your full time that's five or
ten minut it's on top of that that means I
can only delivered to one store out of one hundred
and penny crops in thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I understand your pain, Mike, thanks for sharing it. I
hope you've got a little bit off your chest there.
But if you're a courier or have regular work in
the city, what is your experience? Do you find it
okay or is it very difficult to get a spot?
Are loading zones occupied by people who are overstaying there welcome?
Should the fines for parking in a loading zone illegally
be increased? Let's know what you're thinking. Eight double two

(35:30):
three double double.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Julie Says went to town last week for the first
time in twenty two months. Had to go to the
Apple store three hour park on Flinders Street fifteen dollars
was clock watching the whole time for the meter to
get back in time. For carers. As I nurse my
mother at home, public transport doesn't work for me. As
you never just go to one place. You go to

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shops on the way home, et cetera. All my local shops,
Burnside Village, the parade, et cetera. Don't charge for parking. Julie,
thank you very much for that. Yeah, and that is
the thing, is that that people are going to the
regional shopping centers that don't charge for parking. Is that
more convenient for you? Is that why the city is
struggling to get people back into the city. I mean,

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COVID was a circuit breaker, there's no question about that,
where so many things change that you couldn't come into
the city, you were banned from coming, you had to
stay in your area, and the city suffered dramatically. The
city is still struggling to get people to come back
into the city. But we got used to living in
the suburbs working from home. Getting people to work back

(36:36):
in the city again is a strain, There's no question
about that. Because people find working from home very convenient.
Just going to work maybe in the city once or
twice a week, so we can understand the issue the cross. Purposely,
if the council want to make the city more appealing,
they can't charge as much as is charged by car parks.
If you go into some of these car parks, it's

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very expensive and you add that on your shopping. Once again,
you might need to use your vehicle, because it's all
well and good to say use public transport. But if
you've loaded up with lots of goods, you bought a suitcase,
you bought this, you bought that, bought the weekly shopping.
It's very hard to jump on a bus or jump
on a tram where if you're in a car park,

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you drop it all the car, go back and do
a bit more shopping. So there are things to be considered.
I'd like to know what you're thinking is about that
eight double two three double o doublo is the number
to ring. This is the first time that I've heard
this story. The Australian Women's Weekly was first published in
nineteen thirty three. It was founded by Frank Packer and

(37:40):
Ted Theodore. Initially published as a weekly newspaper, it's sometimes
known simply as The Weekly. It is no longer a weekly.
It is now a monthly magazine, but it is still
called the Weekly. An interesting story about that that when
carry Packer took over when his father retired, he made
a few changes Ite Butto's became the editor of the

(38:03):
Women's Weekly, and they decided that because things had changed,
weekly was too often, it should become a monthly edition publication.
So Kerry said, well, let's call it the Women's Monthly,
to which I had said, no, Kerry, it's probably not
a good idea. So even though it comes out monthly,
it's a weekly. Back shortly five double A Mornings with

(38:25):
Graham Goodings seven past ten. Welcome to Mornings on five
double A. Thanks for your company, Love you to take
part on eight double two to three double O double oh.
From the text line. Only problem for Orcus is Trump
hates anything with Biden's fingerprints on it, and nuclear subs
are very hard to find. Philips says Graham. I went
to the city last Saturday to visit the or at

(38:46):
the RAH was on the platform eighteen minutes before a train.
I was about to step into the train. The doors
shut left three people on the platform. I was at
the edge of the platform, not good at all and
the filthy station lifts were health hazard. Thank you for that, Philippa.
Anyone else experienced some bad situations regarding the trains, in

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particular health hazard, dirty stations, trains not leaving the opening
the doors long enough for you to get on or off.
Like to hear eight double two three double low doublelow.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Well.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
A question I want to know is what's happening to
News and Current Affairs TV. Two of while Straighta's longest
running current affairs programs are being pulled from the air,
raising serious questions about the future of news driven television.
Channel ten has confirmed that the project will end on
June twenty seven, after more than four and a half
thousand episodes. Meanwhile, the ABC's flagship panel program Q and

(39:37):
A has been asked after seventeen seasons and over five
hundred episodes, and this is how the project announced its
acting earlier this week.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
After sixteen years and nearly four and a half thousand episodes,
the project will very soon be no more.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
I am so grateful that I got to sit on
this desk and play TV with all of you. It's
been such a fun thing to do. But you know,
it's the people who make a show, and the project
isn't just the people on this desk, it's the cast
and crew behind the scenes.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
They are the real stars.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
I'm talking you know, the producers, the editors, the cameramen
and women, the comedy writers, the floor crew, the people
in the control room, the director of the hair and
makeup team, all of them who work their guts out.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So what is happening to News and carent Affairs TV?
Joining in ours media stable TV commentator Nick Hayes, Nick,

Speaker 7 (40:32):
Good morning Graham.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
It's a little bit of a fair day for television.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well it is. Oh I said on this program before
that it doesn't really matter whether you like the shows
or not or dipped in and out occasionally the fact
that so many very talented people in front of the
cameras and behind the scenes are out of work.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, really good point.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
I was listening to your program yesterday and a lot
of calls calling in either love it or hate it,
it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
It was the program that we're delivering news a little
differently program designed to capture the eighteen to thirty five
age group. Sixteen years ago.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
It was really.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
Quite innovative and brand new and it did capture a nation.
At its peak, it was producing anything up to one
point one to one point two million viewers around the country.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
That is that's well when you compare that to the
AFL Grand Final that hits around three million viewers across
across the country. But you know you're talking at half
an AFL Grand Final, which is an amazing result. But
we know that the numbers haven't been there, and that's
been partly because there is a lot of competition now
today for the eighteen to thirty five viewers, they're not

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necessarily watching TV. We shouldn't also forget that Channel ten
is owned by Paramount and they're about to also do
a massive merger with sky Dance Studios and they've been
instructed to have a three and a half percent cull
of all their stuff. So the project was an easy
target for them to take off their.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Would it have been an expensive program.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Nick very expensive, very expensive, Graham, It's just what it is.
It's not just the people that are just sitting on
the desk, and there's some big pay packets that were
sitting on that desk, but it's the people behind the
scenes as well, and as you heard Sarah Harris say
it's the people behind the scenes, it's the producers. When

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the project started, it was just a Melbourne show and
a Melbourne show that was broadcasting nationally, but it then
went into Sydney. There's over one hundred people that were
working on that show, and we did hear from the
boss of Channel ten saying of that hundred stuff, fifty
will lose their jobs and fifty will move into other spaces.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Within the network.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I mean, it is a shame. But the commercial reality
is if the not enough eyes glued to the set,
revenue falls and listeners, viewers disappear, go elsewhere, and it
becomes uneconomic to keep running. But what about when it
comes to Q and A. Now we're talking about the
ABC here. They're not reliant on funding other than from

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the government. So why did they pull up in on
Q and A.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
It's an interesting question because I don't remember you or
I getting a call or a letter saying what did
we think of Q and A and whether we should
pull it off or not? Because it's actually a public
funded program. I think Q and A partly its viewership
had dropped dramatically, and no doubting about that. It hasn't
reached the numbers that it was hoping for another very

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expensive program to put together. And if you're going to
look at the ABC, the ABC, probably we're looking at
the cost of living crisis that's going on and the
cost of putting together a show like that. They have
definitely sort of called called it how they saw it
and then decided that this is a show that they're
going to have to let go. But ABCQ and A
was one of the very first innovative programs that was

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using Twitter now es to integrate into the program and
really challenge some of the topics and issues that were
going on. But you'll hear from some of your listeners
today they will say that it was two left wing.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
That's exactly the feedback.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
Yeah, the program was very much for First Nations to
talk about climate change, all the really big issues that
do affect people. But it's not necessarily challenging some of
the things that are happening day to day for people
that will be listening to this.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Program, and I think most reasonable people don't mind hearing
contrary views. In fact, they welcome it. But the feeling
that we get the feedback to this program is it
was all so left leaning and the word woke keeps
cropping up and people just had enough.

Speaker 7 (44:42):
Yeah they do. I was fortunate also that was tune
into Steve Price on Your afternoon program so and he
did talk about it at a time where he was
actually cornered and probably representing more right wing conservative views. Look,
we as human beings need more like this. We need
more information put in front of us so that we

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can make educated decisions, no matter what position or what
bias we might have.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
But if we're well informed, we can make those educated decisions.
And maybe ABC Q and A did have a bit
of an agenda to head towards a more left leaning approach,
but it will be sadly missed. I think it is
a program and programs like that which do challenge some
of the thinking, some of the ways that we go
about our work, our day, our life, and then you know.

Speaker 7 (45:32):
It does we will lose that part. But I think
what we will find moving forward is that programs that
are far more cost effective, programs where there is maybe
only one host with lots of experts and commentators that
give us a good round and sound view of what's
going on, will be what we'll be seeing more of

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in the future.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I think you've hit it on the head there. As
I said, I don't think people mind hearing views that
are contrary to theirs, all coming from one side, whether
it be left leaning or right leaning or on the middle.
I think most reasonable people say, well, let's hear the
arguments from all sides and then I'll make up my
own mind. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Absolutely, I think it's exactly what we're after, and I
think we need more of it. You know, you just
can't sit there and consume Sky News after dark and
then or on the opposite side of the spectrum, just
sit there and consume the ABC media. You need a
little bit of everything to make well rounded, good decisions.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
So, Nick, what do you see as the future for
free to air television? Because streaming has and just people
having access online and social media and thekers really impacted
free to air television. The numbers watching free to air
are way way down on years gone by. So is
there a long term future for free to air?

Speaker 7 (46:46):
Well, there certainly is. There, certainly is, Graham, And I'm
more confident about it, more buoyant about it, not just
because I'm in the industry, but I think that free
to air places such an important part of everyone's consumption
of content, and in one way, Gram social media is
actually killing social media.

Speaker 10 (47:06):
Social media is so.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
Full of no regulation, no balance. People are sitting in
silos and just consuming content that they think is right
and what is sits and fits with them, but they're
not getting the full picture. And I think that's the
important role that traditional media plays and free to wear television,
radio and print has still got many days in front

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of it.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
With social media, with all the algorithms and like, you
get fed stuff that you think, well, this is this
is what the people are thinking, But they're just giving
you what you are thinking or want to think. So
with at least freeware television, you get a pretty balanced view.
You can suggest that there's leaning one way or the other,
but you can make up your own opinion. With social media,

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the stuff that keeps being fed to you is just
feeding your preconceived ideas.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
You're spot on, Graham.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
It's news that you want that you're getting through social media,
not necessarily news that you need. And that's the viginitive.
That's the definition of a well rounded, an educated decision
that we have and programs like yours will give us
views and will give us opinions. We don't always have
to agree with you. We don't and.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I'm looking for the dump button here.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Don't need to dump me, Graham, because I'm a massive
fan of yours. But look, you can. You don't have
to agree or disagree. But what you have to do
is just consume it and then make your own mind
up and decisions. And I think that's when you really
are becoming a very well rounded person. And that's something
for the youth and the young people as well, because
Snapchat and Instagram and all of those social media platforms

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that are out there aren't just the solo place, but
where they do consume now and they will mature and
start consuming traditional media moving forward when they buy a house,
when they buy a car, or when they need to
find out what is really going on in the world.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Nick, thanks so much for your insight today. Appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Good on your GM.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
That's Nick Hayes, media stable director and TV commentator. What
are your thoughts on the changing role of television? What's
happening to news and Current Affairs TV five Double A
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double O double is the number to ring, Jack says
Hi Gram. People are fed up with biased reporting ABC, BBC,
et cetera, and are at turning in droves to unbiased
channels on YouTube. Thank you for that, Nick says, I

(49:51):
am Oka Graham and listening to five double A twenty
four to seven because it's all crap on TV. Thank
you for that, Nick, Diane, Good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (49:59):
Oh good morning. Actually I couldn't agree more. My husband
I used to watch Q and A religiously when Tony
Jones was on it, and it was quite good, and
I mean it was less leaning, there was no doubt
about it. But you know, it wasn't that bad. But
my god, Virginia Trioli, Patricia carvelis that And I mean,
just don't blame the Q and A, I mean seven

(50:21):
point thirty report, I mean most of ABC. I mean,
I don't know why we're paying all this millions to
go into it. It is so less leaning it's unwatchable. Actually,
I must admit my husband I mainly watch YouTube nowadays
because a lot of the channels Channel nine very biased,
very less leaning, and it is quite unwatchable. So the

(50:42):
only way you're going to get more balanced is to
watch YouTube, and then you can sort of choose what
you want to watch. But otherwise, I mean to say,
if you watch Channel nine like sixty Minutes, which we
don't watch anymore, we used to love that too, but
it's so less leaning that's unwatchable. But you know Laura
Kingdall and Sarah Ferguson on seven point thirty, we used
to watch that too. Haven't watched that for years.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Have you ever watched Sky News.

Speaker 11 (51:07):
I haven't got Sky channel, because.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
That's the other side that's very wrong.

Speaker 11 (51:10):
No, I haven't got that channel. I'm not on Fox
or anything like that. Graham, No, so no. But the
ABC I just said to my husband, oh my god,
this is so dumb. And the project was a bit
the same. I mean, Q and A was full of
if you know, if you weren't into welcome to Country
and all that sort of thing. I mean, and the
average person. I mean, they don't mind a little bit,

(51:31):
but I mean it was a bit like when we
went to Melbourne for the Melbourne Cup last year. We
got onto the plane, we were welcome to the country.
We got off the plane, we were back welcome to
country in Melbourne. Then we got onto the shuttle to
go into the city and we were welcome to country.
We couldn't believe it. We've gone on the tramp. I
said to my husband, I've had enough of this. I
can't wait to get into the hotel going to believe it.

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The person on the hotel desk welcomed with the country,
and I said, no, we're Australians live here. I said,
I'm just about set up with all this crap. And
and she said, oh look, I'm so sorry. And a
woman next to me she said me too. She said
we all she said, get the eye off. And then
we went to the Mowing Cup and the course we
were welcome to country. I mean, it's it's the ABC.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I full of it.

Speaker 11 (52:17):
And you know, they're just so woke. It's just it's unwatchable.
And no, we've just got to we've got to get
back to balance and you know, and just be you know,
I was listening to Steve Price with lees Forrest yes afternoon,
and he even said it was just terrible. It was
almost like they wanted to got you questions with him.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
He's a little bit more right leaning than that the
rest of the people on the project. Good on you, Diana,
thanks for views. Appreciate them a double two three, double
O double O. Andrew says it's no coincidence the project
and Q and I are finishing up. People have had
enough of left leaning work content. Well. People vote with
their feet, or vote with their eyes, vote with the switches.
So if these channels want to appeal to the masses

(52:58):
and get a mass audience, they have to not necessarily
pandle to them, but give a balance for you. And
I think most of us would be happy with a
balance for you. Kyle, good morning.

Speaker 12 (53:09):
Oh h here you go.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Good? Thanks? Yeah, good good.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
So just passing on the you're trying to explain how
to get more people into the city. In my opinion,
I think we need more skyscrapers. Like I know, there's
a lot of backlash going towards this skyscraper, and I
think this has something to do with why people don't
go in the city in general. I think we need
more buildings, more infrastructure, more activity, more people on the floor,

(53:36):
more restaurants, more cafes, and you know, it'll bring you
a bit of vibrancy to the city, which Adelaide desperately need.
And that's why we haven't gotten anywhere in the past,
because there's always these lobbies that come up and regulations
and rules, and we need more buildings, more people in
and that'll bring up more people to the city. Makes sense,
all right?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, good on your Kyle. Now, thanks for putting that
point of view forward. Appreciate it, Hi Graham, have fed
up with bias reporting, ABC, BBC, et cetera. From on
same line, Graham from grawl that says, Hi Graham, I
can't understand how the ABC Q and A will no
longer be broadcast. It always portrayed a balanced view. Ninety

(54:15):
nine green woke left and one percent the rest. Thank
you for that, Graham at the Holding Hill and Tom,
Good morning, Tom.

Speaker 13 (54:23):
Graham, Good morning, more of a stane. I'm I'm afraid Diane.
Was it the lady who was the caller?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (54:31):
Go Diane, she's pretty much nailed it, said you produce her.
I don't even own a smartphone these days, but when
I do on my friends smartphone, we go there to
have a laugh and and just check things and look
at things differently. I tried over the years. I tried
to watch some of those shows that are being asked.

(54:54):
I tried to watch so called funny shows on ten
or ten, and if I had a brick, I would
have put through my TV. It was absolutely crap, my
numbing crap. And I could not believe that people thought
this was funny. And they're all laughing, they sitting there laughing.
I thought, Okay, where's the punchline, where's your humor here?

(55:14):
It's just absolute But yes, and ABC has been that
way for a long long time. But yet, like I said,
I certainly wouldn't miss any of that sort of stuff.
But then again, I'll be perfectly blunt. Obviously I listened
to your show, and sometimes I listened to the nighttime
talk back on your radio show. But after that, I

(55:34):
don't listen to your radio anymore, to your station anymore. Yeah,
I just find it just too depressing. If my friend
visited me, we'd go online or put in an old
video or DVD, some of the old English or American
very early comedies and have a bloody good laugh.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Well, there are so many more options these days. You know.
It wasn't that many years ago that we had three
commercial television Chairanels and the ABC. Then SBS came along,
so we had a choice of five. Now, I mean,
how many choices do you have? Take streaming into account,
take YouTube into account, take online. There are unlimited choices.

Speaker 13 (56:13):
SBS does have some good movies, SBS World movie. SBS
is very pro I can't you say it, very anti
a certain group and very pro another group. They just
flog it to death. But they actually do have from
time and to on a good world movie and they
have shows a little bit outside of the square as

(56:34):
opposed to ABC. But ABC has been propaganda for twenty
five years. It's thirty years.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, I think people are starting to see through it. Sorry, Tom,
we just have to leave you there. I think people
have realized and people will vote for their with their feet.
They appreciate what they're getting, they like what they're getting,
they'll stick around. If they don't, they'll go. That's that's
the joy of living in a free world, in a
free country.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Five double A Mornings with gram goodings.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
And being a Thursday morning at just after ten thirty,
it's time for our always popular legal segment as we
welcome into the studio, Tim Darney and Caitlin Walkington. Welcome
to your birth good morning, Thanks for having us. It's
always a pleasure. Any One with a call, any question
legal wise, give us a call now eight double two
to three, double O, double O. Before we get into questions,

(57:20):
one of the big stories of the week has been
the IVF Monash mix up. I mean, at the second
it beggars believe how the parents would be parents would
feel in the situation. I'd just like for you guys
to put into perspective for us the legal angle of
a mix up at the IVF level.

Speaker 14 (57:40):
Yeah, it's really interesting, and I think it's probably worth
just having a quick recap of the two cases because
they're a little bit distinct. With these examples that we've
had come out in the news recently. So the one
that's come out this week is unfortunately a woman has
been implanted with the wrong embryo. That so the play
or the proposal was that she was going to receive

(58:02):
her partner's embryo but got implanted with her own. So
that is the mix up that's occurred this week that's
caused Monash to apologize for the second time. The earlier
case that came out earlier this year was a little
bit more extreme, although you know, equally upsetting for both parents,

(58:26):
where the wrong embryo was planted entirely, so a Brisbane
woman actually gave birth to someone else's baby, and you know,
when that story came out, there was a lot of
concern about, okay, well, how does this affect parentage and
legally who's going to be that child's parent. Is it

(58:49):
the person whose DNA is the embryo or is it
the woman who's carried the baby to term and given
birth to it. So that only got actually discovered when
they had other embryos transferred between clinics and it came
up that you know, the embryo and the child that

(59:09):
she had was not actually her DNA. So it's it's
caused a lot of upset and concern in the profession
and you know, in society in general. And I know
that there's discussions between the health ministers that are occurring
this week where it's going to be set as a

(59:30):
priority to see if we can create some consistency between
states and territories about the regulations and rules and the
standards that they have surrounding all of this, which is
definitely needed because currently it's considered state by state as
to these processes and rules, and it is whilst they're
saying that these are rare occurrences, it is pretty alarming. Yes, exactly,

(59:55):
it's pretty alarming to everyone. So there's a lot of
out call to say, all right, we need to have
this dealt with. So there is a meeting between the
health ministers this week, so hopefully that that could be
able to be dealt with in these news is in
these news articles as it comes up, you know, other
people coming forward with some further horror stories that there

(01:00:17):
was another Australian woman who her and her partner had
their three sons conceived through IVF and they paid to
use the same donor for each of the childs so
that their children were biologically related and had the same
DNA and it turned out some years later that through
DNA testing that their eldest son is actually from a

(01:00:40):
different donor than the other two and that was only
picked up because two of the three children had health
issues and the other didn't, So that's how it all
came to light. So there needs to be a fair
bit of overview. But I guess the big case that
the one earlier this year that from a legal perspective

(01:01:01):
that's sparked a lot of conversation is okay, well, what
does it mean and who is going to be the
parent of this child? So is it the person who's
DNA is in the embryo or is it the woman
who's actually grown the fetus and then given birth and
cared for this child. And in Australia, thank goodness, we've

(01:01:23):
never had to deal with that legal issue before, but
it's certainly been something that's been dealt with in the US,
where there's been a number of legal actions that have
been taken in the US. And so when our court
systems don't have any precedents or reliable cases, they'll look
for other common law jurisdictions to see how the courts

(01:01:45):
have adapted that and adapted the position in other circumstances.
So if it ever had to be tested as to
who had, you know, who should be the parent of
this particular child, we would be looking to these particular cases.
So I thought today I might tell you some stories
about what's happened in the US and how the courts

(01:02:06):
have gone through.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
We might take a call before that, Caitlin, we'll hold that.
We'll hear from Neil first. Neil, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
I was wondering, if you an administrator, what would you
do if a person passed away in the state but
they had an asset in South Australia but died into state.
Would you go with a firm that has an office
in each state.

Speaker 14 (01:02:31):
Good question, Neil. It is something that comes up from
time to time where people have assets in different states,
and as you've correctly pointed out, the law between each
states and how to deal with you know, a deceased
a state is different, and so is the probate process
between us each state. So quite often, Neil, if there

(01:02:53):
is properties in different states, you actually need to get
a grander probate in one state and then you need
to apply to the court in the other state to
get that recognized. So it doesn't necessarily need to be
through a national firm that has offices in both states.
You would start in the state where the deceased primarily

(01:03:14):
lived and where all their main assets were. You would
engage a solicitor there to get a grant of probate
to be able to deal with that a state, and
then you would, once you have that grant, go to
a solicitor in another state to get that grant. We
call it sealed by the court, so it's just recognized
as a document and then that will once you get

(01:03:36):
that resealed, that will allow you to deal with the
property in the other state.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Okay, Neil.

Speaker 14 (01:03:43):
Yeah, So if you've got any other questions, Neil, and
if there is any property in South Australia, you can
give me a call off Air and I'd be happy
to help you and.

Speaker 15 (01:03:49):
Talk that through with you.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
State.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
But the main assets were in South Australia and probate
was granted in South Australia before, not the state. He
was passed away, but the main effort was out Australia.
So I just think a national firm or it's got
an office, but it's pretty easy communication between the two.

Speaker 14 (01:04:14):
Yeah, that is a way that you can do it.
It's not, I guess always required that you have to
deal with the national firm, but yeah, that is one
way that you can deal with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Thanks for your call, David says on the text line,
does power of attorney stop when a person dies?

Speaker 14 (01:04:31):
Yes, it's a common question and it does, David, So
you can only give people power of attorney, and a
power of attorney is a document that allows people to
make legal and financial decisions on your behalf. As soon
as you pass away, their authority ends and the powers
to deal with your legal and financial affairs actually move
to your executor. So quite often it makes sense for

(01:04:53):
the people who is your attorney and your executor to
be the same person, but it's not always the case.
So you just need to recognize that as an attorney,
your power and your authority does end when you pass away.
Even if you're trying to do all the right things
and get that person's affairs sorted, you no longer have
the authority to you know, for example, pay for the

(01:05:14):
funeral or sort out their last bills. After they pass away,
that job would then pass on to the executor. It's
the same in respect to an advanced care directive. That's
where you point people to make medical and lifestyle decisions. Obviously,
once you've passed, there's not any medical decisions that really
do need to be made for you, but a lot
of people fall in the mistake in that document in

(01:05:34):
saying what they want to happen to their body when
they pass. Well, your advanced care directive is done finished
as soon as you die. So if you do have
any directions about being buried or cremated or how you
want your service to be, that needs to be recorded
in your will, which is the document that has effect
when you pass A.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Double two three double oh doublo. If you have a
question for Kate them or Tim a ring now a
double two three double oh doublow. If we can get
back to the IVF mix up and the ethical dilemma.

Speaker 14 (01:06:04):
Yeah, So, like I was starting to explain, is that
we don't have any precedents here in Australia as to
how this issue would be dealt with, which is a
good thing and hopefully we won't have to deal with
this issue, but if we do, we would be looking
to the US commentary and how the courts have dealt
with that over there. So unfortunately, there has been a

(01:06:25):
number of documented cases in the US where families have
had to take legal action because there has been a
mix up with embryos. So an example of that includes
in twenty twenty one were a California clinics or two
couples raiged in children that were biologically not theirs. The
consequence of that, by agreement between these couples was they

(01:06:47):
actually did a child swap, which sounds a bit like
a movie show, but that was the consequence that that
you know, they grew and gave birth to the wrong
children and then they swap them over. You know what
age they were, It was very very young. It got
identified straight after birth because I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Mean you can imagine if they were toddlers or five
and six year old and all of a sudden they're
having to change parents. Yeah, as babies, I mean, as
traumatic as that is, it would be a lot easier
than yeah later on.

Speaker 16 (01:07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:07:15):
And some other stories relate to dealing with it when
it becomes later on, and then that is where the
courts will have a large factor and in respecting to
work out who's what's in the best interest of the
child and who's the best person to raise them. So
that's going to be the court's primary consideration. There was
another case in the US from Georgia where a lady

(01:07:37):
had to sue the clinic. There wasn't a parentage case
but the issue was that she gave birth to an
African American baby despite her self being white, because there
was an embryo mix up, and there was obviously a
lot of questions that got raised and things like that,

(01:07:59):
and that was a compensatory case in those circumstances.

Speaker 17 (01:08:03):
There's cases as well, like there was a German man
I think it was whod ended up fathering over one
hundred children internationally and they're still counting because the clinics
misrepresented the sperm banks, if you like, misrepresented the where
the sperm was actually coming from, and it was this

(01:08:25):
one man, Kaitlin. In a legal sense, I mean, are
you required to give consideration to in this case, you know,
adoptive children or biological children that were adopted out step
children for example. I mean, if you look at this

(01:08:45):
extreme case, this man would have over fathered over one
hundred children. He'd have to have a pretty big estate.
But what what what legally would you say in that sense?

Speaker 14 (01:08:57):
Yeah, I guess the starting point and what I say
to all of my clients is you should leave your
estate to who you want to. So the test status
wish is the primary regard. So you leave your estate
and give the benefit to who you would like. From
a legal perspective, though, we've had the big changes this
year that came into effect on one January under the
Succession Act, and the Succession Act sets out who society

(01:09:19):
and the government and the courts consider that you have
a moral obligation to provide for, and those people fall
within a particular class, So they include children that you've adopted.
They obviously include your biological children, And the biggest change
that came into effect this year was that it actually

(01:09:39):
does also include step children. If, for example, you've foster
children or children you've biologically given birth, but then they've
been adopted from you, the courts consider that you don't
have a moral or a legal obligation to provide for
people in those categories. You know, sometimes that is a

(01:10:02):
question that I get quite commonly asked, is in a
foster situation or a relaxed situation, where can I bring
a claim on their estate that there've been my parents
for twenty one years and they've left me nothing. Well,
unless that was a biological or a formal adoptive of process,
you don't actually have the options to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Okay, eight double two three double double is the number
to ring. If you have a question of Caitlin or Tim,
call now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
It's our legal segment for Johnston Withers Lawyers. Eight double
two three double O doublo is the number to ring.
If you have a question Tim or Caitlin, get in
now eight double two to three double O before we
look at any more calls or texts like to put
to you both. The state budget was handed down in
the last few days and everyone's had their pick at it.
Was there anything in it for the legal services and

(01:10:55):
the legal system? Well, there was.

Speaker 17 (01:10:57):
Broadly in terms of can pack them and stack them?
From a jail perspective, the prison system did fairly well,
so I think that they would be happy. And that's
at I suppose when we look at the law generally
and funding, it's probably a bit broader than what people

(01:11:18):
think because you've got, firstly, you've got the actual court
system itself, which does both criminal and civil and so
the Chief Justice or the Chief Judge is always going
to be screaming out for more funding.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
All right.

Speaker 17 (01:11:37):
That's just probably the nature of South Australian politics. Forever
has been the Chief judge yelling at the Treasury and
or the Attorney General for greater funding so that the
courts are better equipped to deal with what they deal with.
What is always going to attract more money, particularly in

(01:11:57):
our state where the budget is pretty stretched on health
and education, it's probably i would say the court system
comes third in that. And so the politically, the government's
always going to look to the criminal side of the
court system because that's where they're going to get hurt

(01:12:18):
politically if people are for instance, if people's cases aren't
getting processed or what it might be, and we see
incredibly long delays now, so this is an ongoing and
has been an ongoing issue for many, many years. If
you look at the even in the criminal system, if

(01:12:39):
you're charged with an offense, you would be that serious offense,
you'd be lucky to have the substantive hearing within a
year or a year and a half, So justice is
slightly delayed. I think the victims of crime are always
surprised by the fact that the crime will happen, the
person will be charged, but they'll be waiting eighteen months

(01:13:02):
for a hearing. A lot of that is just resourcing.
You just the Crown Law Department that does the prosecuting
for us as a community. That's their job as lawyers.
They prosecute. They can only be funded or they're only
funded too so much. Now they were granted additional funding
in this budget and that makes a difference, so you know,

(01:13:27):
they we they'll receive an extra seven odd million over
the next three years. So with that money they'll employ
more lawyers and with more lawyers, you'll be able to
have faster prosecutions. So that's useful, that's good. The courts
themselves get cranky because the facilities now are pretty dated

(01:13:47):
and this has been a really longgoing thing. We've got
old courts. So if you look at the state courts,
which you'll see the old Magistrates Court if you're down
on Gooja Street, the Supreme Court beautiful old building, but
they're old. You compare that next door is the Federal
Court and that looks like you know, a spaceship that's slandered.

(01:14:09):
It's a useful building and if you're ever unfortunate enough
to end up in those courts, because it might be
a family lord proceeding, they're beautiful, you know, very well equipped,
whereas the old state courts aren't so well equipped.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
So the federal courts, federal money, I take it, state
care works. I think when it comes around to budget time,
everyone's holding their hands out, and rightfully so, and health
and defense and you name education. And when it comes
to votes, governments are very aware of where the voters
will be looking. And I guess if the money is

(01:14:44):
poured into legal they don't necessarily see that there's any
advantage for them.

Speaker 17 (01:14:48):
No, no government's going to be re elected because the
courts are now more comfortable place to sit, right, it's
just not going to happen. However, if there is crime
in the street and there's seemingly and people aren't being
properly put away, et cetera, et cetera, that obviously is

(01:15:11):
a vote winner. And so yeah, it's all about competition
between those competing resources.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Let's take it. Called David, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:15:22):
I was just wondering if the people you have on
your program would give me some indication as to what
my son could do in that his wife has suggested
that she's done, you can have the children. I'm out.

Speaker 14 (01:15:40):
I'm sorry to hear that you've got that going on, David,
stay tuned next week as well. We've got one of
our senior family lawyers, Robin coming on Heir, who's going
to talk about the family court changes, because there's been
a lot of changes that have come into effect only
on Monday this week, so it's a big space and
there's lots going on at the moment, So Robin will

(01:16:01):
be on air next week to talk to everyone about that,
so stay tuned. But in the meantime, David, the best
thing that your son can do is get some legal
advice as soon as possible because obviously going through any
property division and property settlement, including when you've got children,
is a massive thing to be doing in your life,

(01:16:22):
and having that advice to be able to make informed
decisions and knowing what your rights are and how you
stand is a really important thing to do. So what
I would be suggesting is that he arranges an appointment
with a solicitor. One of our family lawyers at Johnston
Withers would be happy to assist.

Speaker 17 (01:16:39):
But before he.

Speaker 14 (01:16:40):
Makes that appointment, I would suggest that he just puts
some things together to make that appointment as efficient as possible.
So if he could start writing details down about their
assets and liability, so you know, go through and think
about property and super and life insurance and savings and
recording how those are owned, whether they're individual joint. Also

(01:17:03):
looking at you know, contribution, so you know who's earning
what and who contributes what to the household, so you
know care of children or household tasks. Having notes on
things like that because they're the first questions that the
solicitor is going to ask at that first appointment. So
if you have, if he has all of that information ready,

(01:17:24):
that's going to make it a really productive first meeting.
So that's what I would suggest. But the key thing
for him, David, is getting some advice as soon as possible.

Speaker 17 (01:17:32):
I think the other thing, David is that there's an image,
if you like, out there that when it comes to
divorce or separation, that it's always ugly, that it always
costs a lot of money, and you know, what's the saying,
find someone you don't like and give them half your assets,
you know, that sort of old school mentality. Whereas the

(01:17:55):
court system itself is very much designed these days for
people to to come to an amicable outcome, and it's
about being able to talk through it and working out
reasonably what you want. Starting from a sensible position. Having
a lawyer involved early does not mean that then the

(01:18:15):
matter will end up protracted or are necessarily litigious going
through court. But it's very, very wise for your son
just to have that background knowledge about the range that
he may be entitled to keep or maintain or have
to give, so that then he can have sensible conversations

(01:18:39):
with a partner, knowing what might might happen if indeed
the worst happened and you ended up going to court
and getting a judgment.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
Yes, I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Good on you, David. Thanks for Carl. Let's hope that's
been a help to you. Guys. Time is against us.
Thank you. Somebody there's lots of talk about we'll save
it for another day.

Speaker 14 (01:18:57):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Thank you, Graham, Tim and Kate and from Johnston Withers Lawyers.
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AU Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings, It's a
past eleven on five Double A on this Thursday morning,
twelfth of June. Higg totally agree with the ladies view

(01:19:21):
on ABC generally and Q and A I suggest she
doesn't watch Afternoon Briefing, same obvious bias. Higg, your last
guest commented that we should hear all sides of arguments,
weigh it up and form our own opinions. I agree
with that. During the election campaign, Labour conternally called the
coalition far or extreme right, the term often used for
terrorists or Nazi supporters. It's not as simple as left

(01:19:44):
is good, right is bad. That's exactly it. Ray. They're
good points about all aspects and to be extreme is
probably it's not their Australian ways it I think most
reasonable Australians will happily hear an argument then form their
own opinion. David says Adelaide City is meant to be
the central business district for the state. Sadly that changed

(01:20:05):
and is now distributed all over the peripherals of the
city in places like Penfield. If you want to get
more people into the city, then encourage businesses or business
to have its headquarters in there, with the benefits of
having our airport only minutes away, whereas other cities airports
are much longer drive away. Thank you for that, David, Well.
I'd mentioned the date June the twelfth going back sixty

(01:20:28):
one years, a turnout the likes of which has never
been seen in this town or probably anywhere in the
world for that matter. Three hundred and fifty thousand mostly
young South Australians lined Anzac Highway, converged on the city
to cheer, scream. Some of them fainted for four young
lads from Liverpool who had taken the world by storm.
Well actually it was only three lads because Ringo was
sick and Jimmy Nichol, who was actually from London, had

(01:20:51):
to fill in for him here sixty one years on
after the band touched down and there charted a Anda
Jet on June the twelfth. It remains not only one
of the biggest gatherings of people in southa Stadia, but
recognized by the Beatles themselves, is that the biggest reception
the band received anywhere in the world, all in the
city with the population at the time of less than

(01:21:11):
six hundred and seventy thousand. And it almost didn't happen,
you know, Adled was originally left off the Australasian tour
itinery the fact that late radio personality our own Bob
Francis wasn't going to take lying down.

Speaker 19 (01:21:25):
I've read in the paper that the Beatles weren't coming
to Adelaide, and I sort of went on the air
with a feeling of why the hell do we miss out?
You know, a little old Adelaide, the City of Churches
is not going to get it again. And just off
the top of my head, I just said, wouldn't it
be great if we get some signatures together. We got
enough signatures, we could probably convince ken Brodjiet to bring

(01:21:47):
the Beatles to Adelaide.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
And within days eighty thousand signatures Bob managed to get
together and that certainly swayed a few heads changed a
bit of thinking. The Beatles concert planned for Sydney, Melbourne
and Brisbane and New Zealand were extended to include Adelaide.
At the Adelaid press conference, they said they were overwhelmed
by the welcome.

Speaker 16 (01:22:06):
Well fellers, tell me, what did you think of the
Adelaide reception as the bean Isla was like what I
mentioned to you on the planet would be yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
And that was very early on in their careers, and
they said many many years later that Adelaide's reception will
live long in their memories. Just it's incredulous to think
that three hundred and fifty thousand people were out there.
And this is in the early days of the Beatles.
Of course, it was like within twelve months of them
hitting the world headlines. And if it hadn't been that,
let's put it this way, Australia could not have afforded

(01:22:39):
the Beatles were. Evidently they were signed up to come
to Australia at a very cheap rate before they hit
the big time nationally or internationally, and we got them
at a bargain basement rate because I think Ken Brodziak
said later on that once they left Australia their price
went up tenfold, if not more. But it was a

(01:22:59):
great time. If you have recollections of the Beatles too,
I'd love to hear them eight double two three double double?
Oh were you at the concert at Centennial Hall.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles?

Speaker 16 (01:23:21):
You couldn't hear anything except when they finished the song.

Speaker 18 (01:23:28):
The applause screaming faded a little and you could hear
Paul say thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Ah, were you the I'd love to hear the story
the Beatles in Australia, more specifically, hear in Adelaide on
this day in nineteen sixty four, they give us a
call if you were there. Eight double two three double
o DOUBLEO. Well, Jan Cox SALVEMONI certainly was in Adelaide

(01:23:57):
at the time she actually met the Beatles. He joins me. Now, Jan,

Speaker 6 (01:24:02):
Hello Graham, lovely to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Ah, look what wonderful memories tell us all about it.
I'm just going to sit here and drink it all in.

Speaker 6 (01:24:10):
Your intro for all of that little girl in me
out so here I am.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
How old were you at the time?

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
Well, I was fourteen when I was at the airport.
I was the only teenager at the Adade Airport. I
was actually thirteen years old when I learned about the Beatles,
and that was from a friend of mine called Elaine
Haynes at school, and I became an instant Beatle maniac.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
So how did you get to be the sole teenager
at Adelaide Airport to meet them?

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
Well, a lady called Jill O'Toole was the secretary to
the manager of the Adade Airport, and that was Bill Thomas.
And Jill asked Bill if he wouldn't mind if I
could be there because I am partly paralyzed down the
right side and the chronic lung disease, and he didn't hesitate.

(01:25:03):
He said, yes, of course, he said, she's going to
be brought to the airport by a chaff driven car,
my own chau for driven car. And there I was,
and I was rushed out of the car into the
building and hidden up in a little room. I think
it was for people that were naughty, also small. And

(01:25:27):
then I was taken down through the media because it
was only the media and the people at the airport
that were there and meet. And I was put in
a car and taken out to the tarmac because they
didn't want the plane anywhere near the time the actual

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building because they were scared of a riot. The whole
airport was blocked off. Nobody was able to get in,
or they were hoping that nobody would get in. And
there was I standing with every body waiting for the
plane to land. And I then landed at Cantet him
It was twelve eleven forty five and I sort of

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walked forward. Jill helped me to walk forward, and there
I was at the bottom of the steps, right at
the bottom on the as they were coming down on
their right hand side and they came out, and as
they came out, Paul and well, Paul is my favorite,
you see. So Paul was leaning over the other side,

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and I wasn't going.

Speaker 20 (01:26:36):
To have that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
So I forgot that I had to behave myself and
yelled out Paul, and he swung around and so did John,
and they came down the steps and right in front
of me, John said, you could a bit young to
be a photographer, Runcher, and I'm sorry about the accent,
but to try. And so I must have said no

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indignantly because as far as I was considered, it's going
to marry Poul. So anyway, I took a photo which
is a close up of the two of them, and
that's been around a bit. People are quite interested in
that photo. Yes, so that I wanted to get his autographs,

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but unfortunately there were so many photographers and I had
my little camera. So I took a couple of photos,
but I held out my autograph book to Paul to
actually get his autograph. But at that stage he was
twenty one. He was looking at me and he was
ready to do it, and he didn't have any power

(01:27:44):
at twenty one. So then the card was only allowed
to stay for three minutes and off they went. Yeah,
it was eleven years later. It's another story, but it
was eleven years later. It was a row of coincidences
in Liverpool. I was a dream come true of going

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to England and I met Paul and got his autograph.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Wow fulfilled a lifelong dream.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
But you didn't get to marry.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
Him, No, no, But I've got to marry a man,
a wonderful man. I'm married to Graham forty one years
and he's born in the same years.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
So beautiful. What wonderful memories Jan just memories.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
Been fantastic. And now I'm a professional speaker and I'm
actually talk about the Beatles if anyone wants me to
talk about the Beatles, and you thank you. And I'm
writing for the Big Smoke in Sydney and I'm being

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sponsored by the Choice Shop to write articles on disability.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Now, you weren't one of the hundreds of thousands of
people outside. Was it the South Hotel that doesn't exist?

Speaker 11 (01:29:09):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
No, I wasn't because I was fourteen and my parents
were quite looking after my interests.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
They were very strict.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
No there. They were wonderful parents, but they had their limits.
On letting me loose in the city. They weren't let
me loose in the city.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
And you didn't get to go to the concert? Then
it sentennial.

Speaker 6 (01:29:35):
No I did, but you know all those people at
the concert, I think I got the best deal. I
got to write there, So I was very spoilt.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
That's a story.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
I got given a book when I was sitting in
that little room waiting, and I still got that book.
And I was asked by a reporter once, you know,
why wasn't I had it? Why didn't I have it
wrapped up special? Because that's an antique. And so we'll
hang on a minute. I was fourteen. What does that

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make me?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Jan?

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Thank you so much for your time today. Thanks for
retelling the story. Jane Cox cell Emoni who actually got
to meet the Beatles when she was just fourteen years
of age. Rob, good morning, how are you going good? Thanks?
You've got a Beatles story for us.

Speaker 21 (01:30:25):
No, no Beetle story or just that Fairy Prices gets
all the credit and we tend to forget that. Ron Tremaine.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
I was going to mention Ron. I know he was
he played a big role in it.

Speaker 21 (01:30:37):
Didn't Oh yeah, he's alive. A fop and they worth
while giving him a call.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Well, yeah, good thinking, good thinking. I think Kim Benythan
played a role as well, but certainly Ron Tremaine was
He got the petition going.

Speaker 21 (01:30:53):
I think initially got the petition going its dear et cetera,
et cetera. And of course because Francis was larger than
live character, you know, he got all the wrap up
and because he's radio programs, you know. Oh, I think

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Ron should get a pat on the back at the
end of the day and probably hasn't have a lot
of a lot of time that's in his life. It
would be good for him to have another word at
some stay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Well, if we can get onto Ron tremain, where will
gladly do so? Because as you say, he played a
vital role in getting the Beatles to Adelaide. Good on
your rob Thank you very much for that. Speaking above
France as larger than life character. Evidently he shadowed the
Beatles all around town. I guess he felt he had
a right to do that. He interviewed them at the
town hall or different locations. He also booked the suite

(01:31:45):
next to Theirs at the Hotel South Australia. He gave
listeners hourly updates, really exciting times. What group would do
that today? What singer would generate that level of interest?
I was just thinking as I say that. You know,
Taylor Swift is huge and millions and millions of followers.
But if Taylor Swift came to Adelaide, would she generate
that sort of support? Would he generate hundreds of thousands

(01:32:08):
of people in the streets? I think not. I think
the Beatles were of another era, another age, and another
level fond memories if you have any let's know eight
double two, three double double A, five double A Mornings
with Graham Goodings, twenty five past eleven and five double
A And if you needed another reason to have fond
memories of John Martin's, do you realize that it was

(01:32:29):
John Martin's that funded the Beatles' visit to Adelaide. I
don't know what money was involved, but John Martins wrote
the check to help the Beatles get to Adelaide? Do
we love John Martin's? Wouldn't it be great to have
Johnny still with us? Story for another day? Steve, good morning,
Good morning.

Speaker 22 (01:32:47):
How are you grin good?

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Thanks?

Speaker 22 (01:32:49):
Yeah, just a bit of a story from yesterday, my
father in law was quite sick and they called an
ambulance for him. They took him down to the alarm
the curit. He was ramped at number seven, which is
obvious at this time of year, and we understand that
because he's a private patient. They asked could they go
to the cavalry, So they rang the cavalry. The ambulance

(01:33:12):
people rang the cavalry. They went down to Calvary. They
got there. My wife and I got there about the
same time as he did, and he was actually behind
the administration section in the hospital. The ambulance driver came
act to us and said they will not take him.
The doctor said no, so he drove all the way
down from the Lambaquan into the cavalry and when he

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got there after them said yes they would taken They
said no, did nineteen years old, but no.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
He just they basically they just said that.

Speaker 22 (01:33:44):
They had no space.

Speaker 7 (01:33:47):
So after they said.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Yes, then they said no.

Speaker 22 (01:33:49):
So I said, well, you can't refuse the patient. You know,
on their web page and on their on their you know,
Paul Waiting, they talk about patient care and so on.
So the ambulance they down these people, they rang the
they rang up their bosses and they said, so she
contacted the hospital and he still said no. I went
in again and said, look, he's ninety years old.

Speaker 13 (01:34:10):
What do we do.

Speaker 22 (01:34:11):
So basically the ambulance driver said to us, the best
thing for you to do. And by the way, they
were fantastic, the ambulers drivers, they were super good. They
just said, well, put him in a wheelchair and take
him in. So we put him in a wheelchair, we
took him inside and they tri arged him and two
hours or three hours later they.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
Put him in.

Speaker 22 (01:34:27):
So you can't get into a hospital when you're in
an ambulance, but you can get into when you walk
in in a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
What a bizarre situation.

Speaker 22 (01:34:34):
Absolutely unbelievable. And the other thing is too, Graham, is
that in the other side of it there was people
who were not as sick as he was, and they
were still going in in front of him. They had
another ambulance that came an hour later, and that went in.
He's ninety years old. He sat in a wheelchair for
two hours. Ye I asked them, could they lie down
in a bed somewhere and they said no, there's not

(01:34:57):
a bet available. When we eventually walked past through.

Speaker 13 (01:35:00):
There's beds everywhere.

Speaker 22 (01:35:01):
For him to lie down on. I'm not saying he
should need to see somebody, but he could lie down somewhere.
And I just think it's bizarre and we don't know
what course of action to take. I mean, I'm not
going to make a big deal out of it in
the sense of, you know, take him to quarter or
anything stupid. But I'm just saying that that's the type
of stupidity that happens where they can't even take and
they suggested that they put him in a wheelchair and

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take him inside. I'll carry him in.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Basically, it sounds like bureaucracy gone mad. I mean, it's
not about patient welfare, it's about no abiding by the system.

Speaker 22 (01:35:33):
I said to the doctor wouldn't speak to me. I
said to them, So you can't get in in an ambulance,
but you can get in a wheelchair as you come
in the front door. That's bizarre, absolutely bizarre. And anyway,
we didn't get home till one o'clock in the morning,
and he's still still over there. He's doing well, thank you.

(01:35:55):
He's got a chest infection and you know he needed
to see you know, the ambler said he needed to
see somebody. Yeah, you know, he has heart problems and
so on.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
But I just I just don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:36:06):
My wife and I've been sacking, you know, all day thinking,
you know, what do you do? I rang the hospital
and they put you through to the team leader, and
the team leader just says, or the doctor said there
was no space. Yeah, but yeah, anyway, that's that's just
my thing. I don't know what else to say or
what else to do, but I thought it's important that
people understand that if you go on an ambulance and
you can't go in because you're three eyed or you're ramped,

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just get out, walk in, walk in through the other
through the door, and they'll see you.

Speaker 7 (01:36:34):
It was three hours later, Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
I wish I could calm your mind and ease it.
But good to know your dad's doing okay. But yeah,
well a bizarre situation. The health system is in that
the bureaucracy that exists, and you know, there's got to
be a better way. We need someone who can streamline
the operation, not at the expense of the patient. Let's
let's put patients and potential patients first, and everything else

(01:36:58):
in the secondary position. What are your thought's eight double
two three double double back after news headlines five double
A Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty seven to twelve on
this Thursday, hope we find you well. Now, when you
buy a sunscreen with an SPF factor of fifty plus,
I think it's reasonable to assume that that's exactly what
it is. But Consumer Group Choice is found that most

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popular sunscreens most popular sunscreens failed to deliver the protection
promised on their labels. Let's find out more about it
from editorial director of Choice Mark Cerel's Mark, good morning
to you.

Speaker 12 (01:37:32):
Hello, how are you going?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Look really well? Thanks. I'm a bit concerned about this
because we know how vitally important it is to have
sun protection, and we sort of think if we go
out and buy an sp fifty, well, dear idea, that's
going to give us fifty times the protection of just
going out to the sun with no protection. But what
you've found that is not always the case.

Speaker 12 (01:37:51):
Yeah, a lot of testing founder only four actually tasted
in the fifty and above range. But I do think
it's want to stay that a sunscreen with an SBF
for twenty or thirty or forty, those are all. That's
really good protection. And if you have those sunscreens and
your cupboard, usould still use them. We always say, you know,

(01:38:12):
any sunscreen is better than no sunscreen. We won't be
able to keep you from sunscreen. But yeah, it's still
a bit concern and I think my strength consumers deserve
you know, this stort better go here when it comes
to the testing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
So I mean the the amount you tested where you
did find some that fulfilled the requirement of fifty plus,
that was only four.

Speaker 12 (01:38:34):
Yeah, that's right. We founded the Mecca Cosmetica had hit
his target Cancer Council Kids sunscreen and Neutrogena one of
the neutrogena brands, and a La Roche per Se. They
all hit their targets. Did that, They all tested and
passed their SPF claims. But yeah, I think there's a
couple that are a bit worrying, you know, the ones

(01:38:54):
in the twenties. There's one that tested an SPF for four.
I think that's the most concerning one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Four.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Yeah, so as you say, you know, twenty plus is
pretty good protection, but if you know it's fifty plus
or twenty plus or whatever, but it actually only is four,
you could get serious damage in a very short space
of time.

Speaker 12 (01:39:14):
That's right. You mentioned it before, the SPF how it works.
You know, it's like what you're what you're actually getting
when you put sunscreen on is essentially more time before
you actually get sunburn. If it's an SPF for four,
it's technically four times amount that you would have without.
In that case, you know, the difference between thirty and fifty,
it's actually quite a small percent age, is quite a

(01:39:36):
small difference really, But when you start getting to the
low single digit stuff, I think that's a bit more problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Did these sanscreen manufacturers who didn't fulfill the requirements? What
was their defense? What did they have to say?

Speaker 12 (01:39:50):
Yeah, almost all of them are standing by their testing,
which is fine that we stand by our testing one
hundred percent. In the case of the the Ultra Violets
on screen, which is the one that tested an SPA
for four, so we did the full go stand ad
Australian standard testing and go on SPA for four, and
because it was so low, we actually sent a new

(01:40:11):
batch to a different lab in Germany to get a
second opinion and that came back at an SPA for five.
So we're pretty we're pretty confident in our testing given
that result, and just giving the fact that the lab
and the test and we were using this gold standards.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Yeah, well, I think most people listening appreciate what choice does.
And you've set the gold standing on what is good
and you don't have any vested interest, There's no question
about that. Obviously, some of these sunscreen manufacturers would have
a vest at interest they want to defend their product.
But yeah, so what advice would you have for people?
I mean, looking out the window, it's probably not the

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time of year to be too concerned about sunscreens, but
it won't be long before we need to be. So
what advice would you have for people?

Speaker 12 (01:40:57):
Well, you know, I'm from Scotland, I'm peel and pasty
have been some burnt and winter many times here in Australia.
It's not always about how sunny, as you know, it's
a bit UV rating and stuff like that, so you
should kind of be using such, you know, year round.
I would say that first and foremost. I would also say,
if you have one of these sunscreens in your cupboard,
still use it. One of the sunscreens on the list
that failed to match the SPA of claims. I have

(01:41:20):
it and I plan to use it. It's in the forties,
but even if it was in the series of twenties,
I would still use it. Just I think learning how
to apply sunscreen correctly is useful, that it makes a
big difference. Reapplying makes a big difference, wearing a hat,
all the things that you see and all the ads
you know, a suncare and skincare and all that applies here.

(01:41:41):
Just you've got to take care of yourself out there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
Yeah, I think it's about reapplying. I think a lot
of us think SP fifty to fifty plus. You know,
I can apply it and I'm right for the day,
but it all weighs off or it all reaches the
end of its useful life, so you need to reapply it.

Speaker 12 (01:41:56):
That's right, And just yeah, come to choice check are
the ones that scored highly. Those were the bit the
ones that we recommend, obviously, but you know, any sunscreen
is better than nor sunscreen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Mark Serrel's great to chat, Thanks for your time today.
That's Mark Cerrel's editorial director of Choice. Just quite remarkable
that seventy five percent of sunscreens acclaim spf fifty plus.
Don't cut it. They don't cut it now. As Mark said,
you know, twenty or thirty is pretty good, but if
they're saying sp fifty and one or two of them

(01:42:29):
were only SPF four, so be wary. Among the most
concerning results Ultra Violets Lean Screen sp fifty plus, Mattifying
Zinc Skin Screen, which claimed SPF of fifty plus but
delivered only SPF four. The four sunscreens that lived up
to their SPF claims were Laroche Pose Anthelios Wet Skin

(01:42:54):
Why such a tricky name, Neutrogena, Ultra Sheer Body Lotion,
Cancer Council Kids, and Mecca Cosmetica To Save Body. They're
all SPA fifty and some of them actually are greater
than fifty, so you can't go wrong there. But if
you're wandering wondering, want more information, go to Choice Magazine

(01:43:15):
eight double two to three doubo is the number. Let's
take a call Elizabeth, Good morning to.

Speaker 20 (01:43:19):
You, Yes, good morning, good to talk to you.

Speaker 18 (01:43:23):
I love your program, Thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:43:24):
I want to say something about the Royal Adelaide Hospital. Sure,
to begin with, it hasn't as many beds as the
old hospital had. And we got lost in the car
park and so I went to the elbows and I said,
our car should be here, where can we find it?
And they said, well, it's on the other side of
the build, directed us how to get there. We actually
walked out and walked down the way that we're driven

(01:43:48):
and found it. But what I want to say is
that those elbows and there the people that bring all
these patients in and out said this hospital was not
built for purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Well a cost us what was it, two point eight
billion dollars Elizabeth that should.

Speaker 20 (01:44:06):
Be an occasional Calvary hospital has more beds and cost half.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Yeah, look, I take your point, but what has to
be realized here. And I'm not an apologist for the
state government. When you build a public hospital, the standards
and I'm not being critical of Calvary at all. It's
a wonderful hospital and no question about that. But and
we can take this up with the Health minister. But
a government build hospital has to fulfill standards way beyond

(01:44:39):
that of a private hospital. And I won't go into
detail because I don't have the information in front of me,
but I know for a fact, and I have spoken
to people who are closely involved, they say that the
standards required, the earthquake resistance redundancies. When it comes to
power blackouts and theaters, just so many aspects have to

(01:45:00):
be at a higher level than a private hospital. Now,
I'm not forgiving the Adelaide Hospital Royal Adelaide at all.
I'd believe it was inadequately built. Initially. It was never
big enough for a city that's grown at the rate
that Adelaide has grown. And we know only too well
that the population across Australia is growing, and we know
why that is the case. But why when you're spending

(01:45:23):
two point eight billion dollars you don't build a hospital
that is going to be future proof. An Adelaide Hospital
isn't future proof. Let's hope the Royal Women's and Children's
will be future proof because populations keep growing. Eight double
two to three double o double oh. From the text line,
Bill says, did you know that the Adelaide City Council
employs more than twenty parking inspectors? Yes, more than twenty

(01:45:45):
to do nothing more than catch you out if you
overstay your allotted time in a parking space. Not to
mention the council car that drives around the city streets
and North Adelaide taking photos of Uber and Deidi drivers
picking up and dropping off passengers on a yellow line.
Greedy revenue raising, that's all it is. That's why I
don't shop in the CBD anymore. Thank you for that. Bill.

(01:46:07):
Do parking inspectors still use the old chalk routine because
I know many years ago you'd park in an area
and put your money in for two hours, then go
and roll your car along a bit because they'd put
a chalk mark on your tire. So, ah, there's the
chalk mark. You've overstayed. You're welcome. So you just rolled
your car half half a tire, roll along and they

(01:46:28):
think you're newly there. But now they're far more sophisticated
than that. There are cameras and there are so many
ways to catch you. I didn't realize they had twenty
parking inspectors, so that would be an expense to the city.
There's no doubt about that. They would have to recoup
their wages, no doubt about that at all. Gig, we
don't want balance, we just want the truth. Balancing just

(01:46:50):
for the sake of it is pointless, blaky. Thank you.
If you were input, always appreciated. I also have been
watching YouTube and have gone away from mainstream TV media
just so I can get some balance. It's interesting the
number of people that are saying that that are going
to YouTube for as a source of information, and you
can pick and choose, and obviously with YouTube there's a
lot of rubbish, a lot of left wing stuff, a

(01:47:12):
lot of right wing stuff, a lot of extreme stuff,
but there's also a lot of reasonable stuff and material
there and you get to make a choice. You're not
being dictated to buy a network Morning Graham. I will
miss Q and DA, but definitely not the project. It
was a weird, baffling concept to try and combine news
items with humor and never really worked, especially so when

(01:47:33):
most of the panelists were so called graduates from Melbourne
Comedy Company and we're never really funny anyway. Then Steve
Price would get dragged in occasionally to give the program
some credibility. Anyhow, I much preferred you reading the news
on TV in your inimitable style, Good Evening, Graham, Goodings.
Here did I say that, Stephen? I don't know if
I said it the way you spelled it, like I

(01:47:54):
was having a stroke by the way you said it,
but anyway, thank you, I appreciate your comments. Eight Double
two to three Double O. When we come back five
Double A's beck best of say celebrating and profiling some
of the great brands of our state. I will have
some tickets to give away to the best of SA dinner.
Don't call yet, I'll tell you when.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Twelve to twelve on five Double A.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Adelaide's Prohibition Liquor Company is triumphed at the twenty twenty
five World Drinks Awards in London, taking home multiple top honors.
Adam Carpenter, owner and co director, joins them in our congratulations. Adam,
well done.

Speaker 15 (01:48:30):
Good morning, Graham, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
I believe you just arrived home.

Speaker 15 (01:48:34):
I just got off a plaining about four minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
Wow. Look tell us all about it. What did you win?

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
So?

Speaker 15 (01:48:42):
The World Drinks Awards is one of the most pristigius
awards in the world. Based in London. We collected the
world's Best Coffee Liqueur, World's best at Nats Liqueur, and
the Brand Innovator of the Year, which is one that
we're really excited about for sort of the most innovative

(01:49:06):
brand activations for any distillery in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
Well, winning one award would have been enough, but multiple
honors I mean that you have scooped the pool.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
It did make it worse.

Speaker 15 (01:49:17):
The trip to London. Yeah, so it was quite a night.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
So tell us what's the secret?

Speaker 15 (01:49:24):
Oh gosh, what's the secret? Lots of hard work, I
think is the secret. I mean, our team are incredibly
dedicated and talented at what they do, so he our
head distiller, has done an amazing job with the quality
of the products. But the Brand Innovator Award was for
lots and lots of work that we do around our

(01:49:45):
activations in particular, so the huge collaboration we did with
Chihuli for the Chihili is the Botanic Gardens Gym, the
Adelaid Festival, activation for Bespoke chin for the Adelaide Festival,
and numerous projects of that sort of caliber which all
sort of combined for that Innovative Brand Award.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
So it's the World Drinks Award held in London. I
guess there are people coming from all over the world
to take part.

Speaker 15 (01:50:17):
Absolutely yeah, yeah, distilleries from everywhere, absolutely everywhere. So there
were two other Australian distilleries there and it was great
to see them collect awards as well. So it was yeah,
it was quite the nine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Did you go they're expecting to pick up awards.

Speaker 15 (01:50:35):
Given that we come all the way from Australia, we
get a gentle.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Nudge it might be worth your while winning.

Speaker 15 (01:50:42):
But it might be worth getting on a plane.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
And it obviously was absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 15 (01:50:49):
It was a bit of part of a whirl wind
trip where we went to Singapore and Paris on the
way and then Tokyo on the way home, all for
trade visits. So it's been a eleven days.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
This will certainly give Prohibition Liquor Company a boost on
the world scale or world stage.

Speaker 15 (01:51:06):
Oh absolutely, Yeah, things like this are incredibly important to
be able to benchmark, to gainst the wall against the world.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Mean, after that that world wind trip, you're back in Adelaide.
It will be hard to sort of refocus and get
your feedback on the ground.

Speaker 15 (01:51:24):
Knowing that I'll be back in the office this afternoon, Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
But yeah, there'll be a lot of I mean the
people that work behind the scenes that put in a
lot of ours, a lot of work of the unsung heroes,
I should say it's all recognition for the work they're
put into.

Speaker 15 (01:51:42):
That's right. It'd be so great to go in and
see the team and celebrate with them. We might even
have a little express of martini.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
That sounds good. So what sort of do you actually
get some awards trophies? What do you actually get?

Speaker 15 (01:51:55):
Yeah, we had to buy another suitcase to carry out.
Chris just proces times. That's a good problem to have.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
That's brilliant, Adam, Thanks for sharing your time. I know
you're a busy man just off the plane, But congratulations
to all the Prohibition Liquer Company and.

Speaker 15 (01:52:11):
Well done, Thanks so much, Grim Thanks, thanks good to chatty.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
Adam Carpenter, owner and co director of Adelaide's Prohibition Liquor Company.
If you tried their product, got to be honest, I
haven't tried it. They've been named Brand Innovator of the Year,
World's Best Coffee Liqueur for its bootleg blend, World's Best
nut licure for its hazel nut and macadamia creation. If
you've tried any of their wonderful gin products, give us

(01:52:37):
a call. Let us know. Eight double two three double
O double is my number. Anthony, Good morning.

Speaker 10 (01:52:41):
To you, Good morning, Graham, just in regards to future
proofing the hospital. So I don't understand with the women's
and children is from all the pictures we've seen, why
don't they do a cold shell and build four more
flaws on it. They don't have to do the fit out.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
They just run the service to that and just leave
four floors blank.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Oh you got me there? Are you an architect or
somebody who works on that sort of interesting?

Speaker 10 (01:53:05):
In construction, a building start at about fifteenth percent of
the building cost.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Sure, yep.

Speaker 10 (01:53:12):
So if you just build four more flaws, it might
not be ten years until your touch it. But you've
got all electrical, fumbing everything.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
Up there, so you don't fit them out. They're just
their shelves. As you say, that's right, and.

Speaker 10 (01:53:22):
Then in ten years time they might fit them out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Wow. That makes an awful lot of sense, And in
the large the scheme of things, it wouldn't be a
great addition to the cost. I assume for the cost, it.

Speaker 10 (01:53:33):
Would be a lot less than trying to build a
new hospital to try and redo it after.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Yeah, I like it, Anthony, Maybe you should be on
the design team.

Speaker 10 (01:53:43):
Get me on there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
Look, I'll see what I can do. For you. Thanks,
no cooch problem. That's Anthony with his thoughts on the
Women's and Children's hospital because I mentioned, you know, why
are the hospital's future proved? We spent two point eight
billion on the Royal Adelaide Hospital and you know it's
already short on beds. I don't know they put in
any more beds than the old rural Adelaide and then

(01:54:05):
women's and children's hospitals should be future proof because the
population will continue to grow. Leith Forrest is on this
afternoon good morning. Did you ever have to sit in
the Women's and children's waiting room with the kids? Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:54:18):
Yes, never happened at midday or one in the afternoon.
There was always two thirty in the morning, exactly three o'clock. Yeah,
we had double chairs. Not will but our number two son.
It's not our daughter, but he used to get in
a bit of strife at times. And yeah, we were
in there in the early hours. Why Wiggles DVD on rotation.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
I mean it was a nice atmosphere that was nice
and bright yellow walls. It was all the best they
could to sort of calm harrowed parents. So my son
was or is allergic to everything so anaphylactic. So you
would sit there and you would like you would have
trouble breathing, which doesn't appear from the outside to be
an emergency, although breathing's fairly important. You would have, but

(01:55:01):
you would sit there, wouldn't you then, And you'd sit
there at tri arche. The next a kid would walk
in with his arm hanging off and he well, he's
going to jump the queue. Then the next person would
come in and throw up everywhere where. They're going to
jump us too. So I do feel for them because
it's just it's Grand Central Station. It's so busy. Emergency
departments are the sad. I mean, that's where you need
to be if you're in strife. And when I had

(01:55:24):
a gastric upset that sort of led to my bowl
cancer and I was in the emergency department at the
hospital writhing around for two and a half hours. But yeah,
as you say, people come in and they're worse off
than you. You know, he looks healthy, but he can't breathe.
This kid, Yeah, it's kind of important that we get seen.
But they do amazing jobs. So hopefully fingers crossed with
the new one very quickly on the show the South

(01:55:44):
and I will continue the chat on Orcust. We're going
to speak to Brian Wilson's best friend, the legendary lead
singer of the Beach Boys, passed away at the edge
of eighty two. Yeah, what a loss, What a loss.
What a contribution you made to music so great and
the tributes that have poured in from so many legendary
like Elton John and.

Speaker 23 (01:56:02):
I always think when you see the caliber person who
comes out and says how influential they were on their career,
you know they made a difference. We'll head to la
we'll speak to someone who's on the streets, find out
if it is as dangerous as we think. And speaking
of music, Vicar and Linda bull Bridge dropping by for
a visit. They're here for the Cabaret Festival.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
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