Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 13 August 2025 - Mornings with Graeme Goodings

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Welcome to Wednesday, this thirteenth day of August.
Lots to talk about today, Lots on the agenda, so
we'll get right to it. A four day working week,
yes or no? Well, the Australian Greens have welcomed the
actu's call for shorter working weeks with the same pay.
The Australian Greens went to the last election calling for
Australia to pave the way for a four day working week,

(00:23):
and now the AC two has joined in the call.
Is now the right time? Do you think eight? Double
two to three double?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Would you like a four day working week? Can the
nation afford a four day working week?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Has disgraced former liberally to David spears quest to return
to politics falling before the first jump. He's being investigated
for a possible breach of the Privacy Act after he
emailed his former constituents asking them for money to go
towards a charity walk that he's participating in. Well, he
appeared on The Breaky Show with Dad and Will this morning.
We'll hear what he had to say and what Tom

(00:59):
Kittsons thought about David Spears's possible return to politics. Yesterday
you may remember we had a call of Brenton who
sounded the alarm about security checks being introduced for search engines,
the same pretty much along the same lines as the
age assurance technology behind the teen social media ban. Apparently,
the age checks will apply to logged in users in

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a bid to limit children's access to content such as pornography.
So it's fair to say what next. From December twenty seven,
Google and Microsoft will have to use the sum same
form of age assurance technology on users when they sign in.
If they don't, they face fines of almost fifty million
dollars per breach. So Brenton was on the money. We're
going to find out more about it from Professor of

(01:42):
Information and Science at RMIT, Lisa Given. So there it is, folks,
your information is going to be out there online. If
you don't give that information, you cannot log into search
engines like Google and Microsoft. What are your thoughts? A
double two three below. Federal MP and former soldier Philip

(02:02):
Thompson has launched a push to outlaw the desecration and
burning of the Australian flag. It follows the recent protests
where demonstrators were filmed setting it a light during Palestinian rallies. Thompson,
who served under the flag, called the scenes disgusting. He
slammed the Prime Minister's response is weak. He's said to
introduce emotion in the next setting of Parliament criminalize such acts.

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Is or should be the burning of the flag a
criminal offense? What are your thoughts about that? Evidently, a
prominent pro Palestinian activist dismissed the flag burning. He referred
to the national symbol as merely a piece of silk.
Like to know your thoughts you and KI, did you
feel the quake overnight? Three point six is fairly minor,

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although I guess if you're right at the epicenter you
might have noticed it considerably. So if you're on KI
and you felt the earthquake overnight, to give us a
call tell us about it. Well, it's been labeled as
all talk and no action. That's our Leader of the Nationals,
David little Proud has described Labour's agriculture roundtable. He says

(03:05):
it was shrouded in secrecy. The invite list, the agenda
and the outcomes not publicly available. David little Proud will
join us a little bit later on this morning. Well,
it's hard to believe, but it's been fifteen years since
the Jody Lee Foundation was launched. It was born from tragedy,
but driven by a powerful purpose to save lives through
the early detection and prevention of vowel cancer. He was

(03:29):
founded by Nick Lee after the heartbreaking loss of his
wife Jody at just forty one, and since then the
foundations become a national force in raising awareness, changing behavior,
and prompting life saving conversations around one of Austrata's most
common and preventable cancers. Will have a chat with Nick
Lee a little bit later in the morning. Of course,
your calls a vital important ingredient part of the show.

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Eight double two to three double oh is the number
to ring. While the federal government's wore against smoking is
creating a giant black hole in government coffers, new analysis
reveals spend on legal tobacco was almost halved in just
three and a half years. It comes as state and
federal governments continue to grapple with the black market tobacco
trade with untaxed cigarette and vapes, leaving the federal budget

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worth about ten billion dollars less a year. That's B
with a billion or B for billion. Independent economist Richard
called Chris Richardson, who conducted the analysis of the Australian
Bureau Statistics data, said the numbers show the horse is
well and truly bolted in curtailing the black market tobacco trade.
He said, if we were collecting the tax at the

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pace we were five years ago, the federal government would
probably be getting an extra ten billion dollars a year.
It's almost hard for it to get worse, he says.
All the international evidence is once a black market bills,
it's really hard to break. Federal budget papers stated the
federal government only expected to bring in seven point four
billion from the tobacco excise last year, almost half of

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what had been predicted three years earlier. The government also
dropped how much it expected to earn from the tax
on tobacco over the five years from just down to
six point nine billion, So a drop in revenue, little
or no impact on the number of smokers, and a
raging black market. And there are claims today that organized
crime is rife in Australia and it's all to do

(05:12):
with the illicit sale of tobacco and vapes. Joining a
little bit later on, we'll have a chat with Leo Fukari,
the Australian Association of Convenience Stores Chief executive. What are
your thoughts on smoking? Are we going about it the
right way? Is this the thing to do? Are we
getting the results we want? I'm setting aside the dramatic
drop in revenue. Is this what we're doing? We're having
this huge black market. It's making a huge impact and

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you know we're seeing it on the streets. Only yesterday,
wasn't it a vape store was burnt out? It's running,
must be running it. Close to two dozen vape stores
have been burnt out in the state. There had been
more violent attacks in Victoria. It's happening all around the nation.
What are your thoughts? Give us a call eight double
two to three double O double O. Look at a
smartphone earlier and they're suggesting smartphones and what is your

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smartphone replaced? What now does your smartphone do that you
had to use other implements for in the past. I mean,
landline telephones are virtually gone. You don't need a digital camera,
you don't need an iPod or an MP three player,
GPS navigation devices, well, they've gone the way of the Dodo,

(06:24):
an alarm clock. A lot of people. I've stopped wearing
a wristwatch, street directory, the newspaper, radio. I mean, you
can get it all via your smartphone. And they're suggesting
that by twenty thirty it will be just about all
you need. You will not be needing just about any
other item, good thing or a bad thing, like to

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know your thoughts. Eight double two three double dow from
the text line, Greg says Graham. Two things. Firstly, yes,
it should be an a fence to burn or desecrate
the Aussie flag. Secondly, week defines this, Prime Minister, Thank
you for that, Greg. We'll be back shortly. Eight double
two three double O double is the number five double.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
A Mornings with Gram Goodings.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Eighteen past nine five double A on this Wednesday morning. Well,
the Reserve Bankers lowered the official interest rate cut by
twenty five basis points to three point six percent, marking
the third cut this year. The move follows reductions in
February and May. This is what Governor Michelle Bulk had
to say about the cut.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Forecasts imply that the cash rate might need to be
a bit lower than it is today to keep inflation
low and stable and employment growing. But there is still
a lot of uncertainty, so the Board will continue to
focus on the data to guide its policy response.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
And Treasurer Jim Chalmers response.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
This means three interest rate cuts in the space of
six months. This is very welcome relief. It will put
more money in the pockets of people who are under pressure.
And the three cuts this year together are about three
hundred and thirty dollars a month, or almost four thousand
dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Treasurer Jim Chalmers, Well, doctor Susenstein, we got the cut,
but a month life and expected.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yes, that's right, Good morning, Graham. There were many who
were expecting a cut last at the last meeting, but
I think, as Michelle Bullock pointed out, there was still
some uncertainty around the data. Now they've gotten additional data
points in so they feel more comfortable making that call
to cut rates.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
So there are four costs of three more. I mean,
can they be that specific that there'll be three more cuts?
Because we're in a world economy here and anything can happen.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
That's exactly right. I agree, I'm skeptical about three cuts.
I think that that sounds like a lot. Michelle Bullock
in our discussion yesterday really wouldn't didn't want to be
drawn into giving a specific level that the cash rate
has to be to be considered neutral, because right now

(08:56):
it's considered to be in the restrictive range, which means
it's still actively trying to bring down inflation, and so
we need to kind of wait and see how.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
All that goes.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
I think we'll probably be in for another rate cut,
but we'll have to.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
See what are the primary considerations before rising allowing the
interest rights.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
Well, there is the fact that services inflation, which accounts
for a great deal of what households spend their money on,
is still increasing. It's increasing at a decreasing rate, but
it was three point three percent for the quarter ending
in June, which is above the three percent threshold if
you apply it to each category of spending. So that

(09:41):
needs to come back down. Plus there's still a bit
of policy in the numbers. In other words, the energy
rebates are still kind of making their way through energy prices,
so they're a bit artificially low. As you point out,
there's a lot of global uncertainty. We don't really know
at the end of the day how import prices for

(10:02):
Australia will be impacted by all the tariffs that's going on.
So if if import prices go way up, if when
the energy relief comes off, if those prices shoot up
and its services inflation remains stubborn, it may be that
they'll put continue to hold the level at three point six.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, the impact is this latest cut likely to have
on homeline rights? How much are we on side?

Speaker 9 (10:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:30):
I think the banks must have been feeling the pressure
because many of them, all the big four, have come
out and announced we're going to pass the whole thing
on to their mortgage holders. So that's all really good news.
So you know, there's the on average, if you have
a five hundred thousand dollars mortgage, twenty five basis points
you know, roughly translates into about eighty eighty five dollars

(10:52):
something like that, so you know, that's a nice additional
cash in your pocket. This what has happened today is
that many homeowners have used that money to continue to
pay at the same rate, so they're trying to build
equity more quickly. And we've also seen just today they've

(11:15):
announced that the number of mortgage holders that have been
in arrears has dramatically decreased, and as a matter of fact,
the majority of mortgage holders today across Australia are actually
a bit ahead in terms of their mortgage payments. So
we see that households have used the previous two rate
hikes and probably they use this one to kind of

(11:36):
shore up their position in terms of their balance sheets,
so to speak.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Would that be your advice rather than take the money
out of what you're paying and pay less and spend
the money in other areas well?

Speaker 7 (11:48):
I think that really is going to depend on your
individual position.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Right.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Lots of people have offset accounts that helps reduce your
interest payments. Having a healthy offset account can help, but
if you have credit card debt or car loan debt
or high interest debt, it might be worthwhile to take
that additional savings and put it to that debt as.

Speaker 10 (12:09):
Opposed to your mortgage.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
So it really depends on how individual families and how
individual households, what their financial situation.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Is, account in the interest right have any impact on productivity.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
You know, productivity is a long term concept and it
has to do with the underlying conditions. It's what we measure.
It's like a it's like an indicator it's not in
and of itself. What we're really looking at is that
firms invest in innovation and in new ways of doing
things and can help employees, the workers provide more goods

(12:48):
or services with what they're working with. That's an increase
in productivity. It means that we have increasing goods and
services without overly increasing cost, which is our standard of living.
So if firms can do all that, that's a good thing.
So to the extent that lower interest rates allow firms

(13:09):
to invest in this kind of activity, that's a good thing,
and then that will have an impact. But it's you know,
it has to do with overall economic conditions as well,
because even if interest rates are a bit high, if
firms see investing in that is going to bring net profits,
they're going to do that regardless. So it's there is
a link, but it's not a I wouldn't argue that

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it's a direct really strong link.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Is the right cut likely to have any impact on
house prices?

Speaker 7 (13:38):
Well, there is the argument that as it becomes more
affordable or you can access more people are able to
access mortgages, they are going to be more people that
enter the housing market, and that increase in demand is
going to bid up housing prices, so we have seen
that play out in the past, but we still know
that the overwhelming fact are impacting pricing right now is

(14:01):
a lack of supply. So you know, a few more
home buyers may impact and it may impact those especially
at the entry level to the housing market. You know,
so houses under the median housing price, which is getting
pretty high these days, but it'll probably have a bigger
impact in that segment. So that's a very competitive segment

(14:23):
as we speak. But if we can get new homes
into the market at that lower level, that of course
will help alleviate that pressure on prices.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Doctor Stone, thanks so much for your insight today.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Thanks for having me, Graham.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Doctor Susan Stone. Credit Union is an economics chair and
the right cut. What impact does it you have with
the ZIP if you have a mortgage, do you keep
paying the same payment so you pay off your home
a little sooner or do you take that money out
and put it towards bills and the cost of living?
Let's know what you think. From the text line, screw
the banks, put all your money into crypto. William says,

(15:04):
good morning, Graham. How iconic when the interest rates go up,
the government step away and say they're not responsible, that
the RBA are independent when the interest rates go down.
Jim Chalmers is the first person to go on and
say this government is responsible for the interest rates going down.
What a joke, and we hear the Commonwealth Bank has
posted a cash profit rise to ten point twenty five
billion for the year to June.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Mark, good morning, good morning, how are you today?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Good thanks mane.

Speaker 11 (15:31):
The vaping issues that we have in the country, the
cigarettes and all that kind of stuff, yea, the people
that were empowered and made these laws back then and
decided to keep changing them now. It's vapes came in
to stop people getting off of the harmful chemicals that

(15:54):
cause cancer that the companies put in the cigarettes. Never
heard of a Native American Indian dying from cancer from
smoking tobacco. Tobacco who's not harmful, it's not good, doesn't
kill you, it doesn't give you cancer. But everything else
they put in is As for the government allowed this
stuff into the country, a backhanded deal somewhere in the

(16:18):
line there that is still allowing all of this to
come into the country. They've got a lot of arts
for so is the Governor General was the problem to
get this government out, but she was appointed by this government.
I don't know what to do.

Speaker 12 (16:35):
All I know is the.

Speaker 11 (16:36):
Australian people need to really wake up and do their
own research and actually what's going on in this country
because it's not good.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Good on you, Mark, thanks for your input.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Look what the federal government's doing. Their war against smoking
and vaping is creating not only a giant hole in
government coffers, but this elicit tobacco trade. It's a giant
economy on its own. And prohibition has never worked. Has
a look at prohibition in the US in the twenties
and thirties. It didn't work. There must be a better way,

(17:07):
and with smoking and vaping, what we're doing at the
moment isn't the best way. Other countries appear to be
doing it better. Hi Graham. Regarding Tom Kutzon Turnas's comments
on David spears possible return to politics, Tom has no
credibility whatsoever on this matter after his own indiscretions. Remember
Goods and Turnis racked up sixty plus road traffic offenses

(17:28):
when he was Road Safety Minister, which included running red lights,
speeding and using his mobile phone while driving. I guess
he prefers to forget those days, Bolt says, gooday, folks, smartphones.
Newspapers are all but gone, although you could probably trace
the beginning of their demise way back to the introduction
of television. Yeah, that's an interesting point. Did we stop

(17:49):
buying newspapers to some degree when television came around? It's
certainly been dramatic since the introduction of the Internet and
being able to read newspapers online. How would you feel
if you no longer had a newspaper, Because they're saying
that they've probably got about five years to run. So
if you enjoy getting them morning paper and over a

(18:09):
coffee or breakfast or whatever, just sitting going through the paper,
it's a daily ritual. I must admit I don't get
the paper delivered anymore, or I get everything my news
information online, although I still subscribe to the paper. But newspapers,
will you miss them when they're gone? They certainly will
be gone in the next five years or so. Hey,

(18:31):
double two three, double O double If you want to
comment back shortly five double.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
And a reminder that all this week we have double
passes to give away to the Royal Adelaide Show. Are
you ready to go? It's time for the show double passes.
Just give us a call. If you were the best
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au and Drake's Supermarkets. From the text line, hey gg

(19:01):
on having to give all your details to go online
and Google. Conspiracy theorists are correct. They've been telling everyone
for months. It's a digital prison ahead and soon will
restrict every aspect of your life. It's done on purpose
by the government to control all lands, sea and human
activity as well. They're going to steal your assets. They've
already taken the crown out of the constitution. We will

(19:23):
become a republic then it's game over. Unfortunately, ossies are
easily fooled and too laid back. I was with you
for most of that. If we've become a republic or not,
that will be that will go to the vote. There'll
be a referendum, and if people want us to be
a republic, I don't think that's a bad thing. What
are your thoughts on that? Should we become a republic?
In fact, A double two to three doublelow doubleow. Well

(19:45):
much closer to home, there was an earthquake measuring three
point six hit in the early hours of the morning
on Kangaro Island. To tell us more about it, as
Adam Pascali, chief Scientist Seismology Research at the Research Center, Adam,
good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
What can you tell us about this quake?

Speaker 13 (20:03):
Yes, just a couple of minutes past one am as
a mid Jude three point six on Kangaroo Island. So
it's shaken up a few people, So it was felt
reasonably widely in the area, and it's an area that
seems similar earthquakes before.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Three point six. It's lower number, so it would not
necessarily and in this case it doesn't appear to have
caused much damage. But can a quake about size if
it's epicenter is sort of in a highly populated area,
cause much damage.

Speaker 13 (20:36):
If it was very shallow and in a populated area, potentially,
Usually we sort of say about magnitude four is where
we start to see minor damage to local structures. But yeah,
looks if it was shallow enough, it was close enough
to the surface, because that makes a big difference the
depth of the earthquake, and generally they're at about ten

(20:57):
kilometers deep, but sometimes you can get just a few
kilometers below.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
We had a quake recently, Laura in the mid North.
Are these coincidental or the earthquakes come in patterns? Do
they run in a sequence of any kind, not that
we can.

Speaker 13 (21:14):
Use to associate them, or when they're particularly when they're
that far away from each other and that small unlikely
to be related. Earthquakes can triggure other earthquakes on nearby faults,
but they have to be pretty big original earthquakes, and
the other faults need to be reasonably close otherwise there's
just not enough energy to move things along. But yeah,

(21:35):
there certainly have been a few earthquakes have similar sort
of magnitude in the Midtown Australia and the Adelaide Kangar
Island area in the last few years.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
What about on the world scale, are we seeing an
uptick in earthquakes or is it pretty much the same
as it's been over generations If you look.

Speaker 13 (21:53):
At the long term record, it's pretty much the same.
I think we're just a lot better at communicating news nowadays.
We hear about things that we may not have heard
about in the past, and everything's pretty much instantaneous. But
social media every on sharing information, so I think we're
just much better informed than we and the seismologists. We're
getting better at communicating this stuff to the public as well.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
When we look at earthquakes, particularly Adelaide. Adelaide had a
very severe earthquake in the fifties, and people say, the
longer it goes, the more likely there is of another earthquake.
Is that reasonable to assume that?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
So earthquake?

Speaker 13 (22:32):
Well, faults have return periods of earthquakes, so you expect
to have a certain magnitude over a particular time frame.
Now there's a huge variability in that timeframe. On the average, you.

Speaker 14 (22:45):
Might say, Okay, we're going to go to magnitude.

Speaker 13 (22:47):
Five every one hundred years on this particular fault, but
it won't be one hundred years. It might be fifty years,
or it might be two hundred years. So it's not
the timing is not that predictable. We just have a
neither view of what we expect as the activity rate
on particular faults. So I don't think there's an immediate risk,

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particularly for Adelaide, but it is one of the more
active parts of Australia for the Flinders Ranges and then
down through Adelaide and obviously down to Kangaroo Island as well.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Adam, thanks so much for your insight today problem Adam Piscali,
chief scientists at the Seismology Research Center on the earthquake
measuring three point six. There are evidently about twenty or
thirty reports to Geoscience Australia. Did you feel the quake?
Give us a call? Eight double two to three double
o double Oh. Did it reach the mainland or was
it just on Ki? Evidently sam My producer approached the

(23:44):
mayor of Ki for a comment on the quake, and
he apparently stepped through it. So it couldn't have been
too impactive, could it. So all's well on Ki?

Speaker 15 (23:55):
Tom, Good morning, Maury Graham. We're going from this to
all Protestants in general.

Speaker 16 (24:01):
Really.

Speaker 15 (24:02):
I mean, I'm the first person to actually, you know,
sort of speak up if I think somebody is not
doing the right thing by the country. But in reality
is you know, in the so called democracy, you'd have
to be living in very land if you believe our
leader or the leader of any democracy really is the
one calling the shots, even in the dictatorship. It's always

(24:24):
the people around the actual dictators actually still calling the
shots of the dictator seeing the democracy. It's even more
so so whether he comes across as our current leader
comes across as week. At the end of the day,
he's not in charge. Everyone else who's around him is
in charge.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So do you think it's anyone in particular calling the
shots or just a party decision?

Speaker 15 (24:44):
Money money, business, business, money. Yeah, which brings me the
next question, who actually owns our reserve bank?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well, there's the question the country.

Speaker 15 (24:57):
Good good luck finding out and good luck finding out
who actual he funds them, he pays the salaries. Yeah,
I'm sure the text is trying to find out the
US Federal Reserve, trying to find out who earns that.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
So you're you're virtually suggesting that it's big business behind
the scenes of all levels.

Speaker 15 (25:17):
Of God, it's it's big money. Wouldn't call it business.
But at the end of the day, I feel in
a way I would have a sympathy for the leader
because at the end of the day, I can always
remember a film clip many years ago, obviously, when Reagan
was in charge in America and one of the major

(25:37):
he was doing a major speech somewhere. I can't think
of the name of the fella, but he was one
of the head bankers and he was staying off to
the side, and as Reagan was speaking, this bloke stepped
forward and tied him to get on with.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
It seriously to the president of that was.

Speaker 15 (25:54):
That was on mainstream media and from that point onwards,
I thought, my god, here's the leader of the so
called one of the most powerful countries in the world.
Are you've been told what to do by a bloody banker.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Well that's frightening. That is certainly frightening.

Speaker 15 (26:09):
I'll feel for them in a way. But at the
same token, yeah, we've got to understand that our leaders
are not the ones who are actually in charge.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Mat Yeah, good on you, Tom, Thanks for bringing that
to our attention. I think so many political leaders go
into politics with the right mind, the right philosophy. They
want what's best for their state, what's best for their country.
Then they get into the system, whether it be let's
not talk about independence here, because independence are theoretically independent.

(26:39):
But are you join one of the major parties. If
you want to get on, you've got to join a faction.
You've got to agree. You've got to agreez toparm. You've
got to form an alliance. And once you've formed an
alliance and agreement and somebody's looked after you, you go up
the tree and then they call in the favor and
you repay that favor. So by the time you get
into positions of real power, you are often beholden to

(27:01):
a lot of people who got you there. And they're
the backroom boys, as they say. And I don't need
to jog your memory too well to know the people
that you hear behind the scenes that aren't the front people,
aren't the leaders of the party, aren't the prime ministers
or the deputy prime minister or opposition leader or whatever.
It's the backroom boys, the numbers men who decide who

(27:22):
will be the leader. And so there are so many
strings attached to a politician. So by the time they
get at or near the top, are they making decisions
in the best interests of the nation? Sometimes you wonder.
I'm sure some are, but I really wonder. What do
you think? Eight double two three dou doumblow Hi Graham,
what are your thoughts regarding the nationwide March for Australia

(27:44):
protests planned for August thirty one, which is the subject
of much debate and supposedly a response to the recent
Sydney harbor Bridge protests. It's purported to be calling for
people to march against mass immigration and its contribution to
the home affordability crisis, etc. Is this another right wing
test that risks ending up in confrontation and violent clashes
or a legitimate gathering of everyday citizens. Steve, you asked

(28:07):
some questions that I can't answer. It's the March Proustrata.
I'm well aware of the call for it. I'm wondering
how many average Australians will turn up because we are
pretty she'll be right mate apathetic in this country and
it's only those with a real passion that turn out
to protest. So the rank and file Australians who I'm

(28:28):
not saying this protest is worthy of it, but rank
and file Australians rarely turn up to protest or demonstrate.
So this March for Australia. Is it being backed by
right wing extremists? I don't know, but look, you have
every right to protest or demonstrate in this country. What
we don't want is violence and Australian turning against Australian

(28:51):
As long as there it is a protest for the
right reasons, I don't have problems with it, but yeah,
I don't know how we get to the bottom of that.
See if you've asked a question for which I can't answer.
Also on the text line screw the banks, put all
your money too crypto, it's that a thought. Eight double
two three double o double ow and industrial scale tobacco

(29:11):
tax avoidance and no action implies high level corruption. Thank
you for that, robot. Eight double two three double double
is the number to ring. We're going to come back
after the break and talk about burning the Australian flag.
Should it be criminalized? A flag was burnt recently at
a protest and I think one of the protesters speaking
on radio said he was a pro Palestinian activist dismissed

(29:34):
the actions of protesters burning the Australian flag as a
piece of silk. What are your thoughts? Is it illegal
to ban flags, to burn flags, to less it great flags?
Should it be in Australia. We'll talk about that, like
to know your views on eight double two three double
o double oh.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Thirty to ten five Double A on this Wednesday morning.
From the text line Graham, I'm furious the agile bloom
has been turned into a political football. Shame on all
politicians who are sticking their heads up just to gain votes. Bloody, disgraceful.
Thank you for that, Sue. Well, this morning on breakfast
I call a Craig called in to say he'd seen

(30:14):
a dead dolphin on Henley Beach. So South Craig's called
in from Henley Beach. Craig, good morning to.

Speaker 11 (30:19):
You walking the dogs on the beach at hen We
reached south and up dolphin a.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Dead dolphin, mate.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Christ, So where exactly Henley Beach was it, Craig?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Henley reached house.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
So it's between me out and the.

Speaker 14 (30:34):
Journey half.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Horrific. Isn't it harming any marine life? But when it
gets to be dolphins who are sort of so close
to humans, it just brings it right into perspective. Well,
Opposition leader Susan Lee is in town to take a
look at our natural disaster. This is what you had
to say.

Speaker 17 (30:52):
Well, I can make a very strong statement right now.
This is a natural disaster, and it's a national disaster,
and it's a nationally significant disaster, and I can't believe
that we're getting more excuses from the Labor government about why, when,
and how they are actually not doing the things that
they should have implemented from day one. I'm quite shocked actually,

(31:16):
and to listen to South Australians as I have been
over the last few hours has really made me realize
what I'm going to see and here when I travel
to the region today is going to be quite shocking.
And as a previous Environment minister, this is really awful.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Opposition Leader Susan Lee, Well, Murray What is making another
trip to South Australia cap in hand. He's sort of
apologized for not taking the outbreak seriously. Well he hasn't
sort of apologize, you know that clever mistake. You know,
I'm sorry if South Australians think that I'm not taking
it seriously. We want more out of you than that,

(31:53):
Murray What. And he will join me tomorrow to talk
about the alga bloom crisis. Quite frankly, the handling of
the crisis here in South Straia has been nothing short
of a disgrace and both Premier Peter Malinarskis Federal Environment
as Murray Watt. They've both been asleep at the wheel.
Now we've had more than four months of devastation, a coastline,

(32:14):
shellfish industry, NASA dolphin washed up on the beach. Federal
government's finally coughed up fourteen million dollars as a rescue package,
only after public pressure reached boiling point, and that's been
matched by fourteen million from the state government. Now what
concerns me greatly is the lack of South Australia pressure
on the state, on the federal government, because it would

(32:37):
appear and the Premier can set me right if this
is not the case. He only approached the federal government
in the last few weeks for federal support. Yet this
problem emerged in March of this year, So why did
he wait until the end of July to approach the
federal government. Not only is the state government amiss here

(32:57):
and the federal minister Murray, what what about South of
State and senior government ministers Mark Butler, Penny Wong, Don Farrell,
Amanda Rishworth. Now what action are they taken? And they're
all sitting back there in Canberra saying, well, playing with words,
it's not a national natural disaster. But it's a serious issue. Well,

(33:17):
marry what will be here tomorrow and we'll ask him.
Will he finally concede that is a natural disaster? What
he thought? It's eight double two three double double the
number to ring. Sorry, I got a little bit hot
up about that, Phil says, morning Gg. The government allows
a highly addictive substance into the country that is seven
times harder to get off than heroin. Then when many

(33:38):
citizens are addicted, they pump the price up. And my
eyes this amount or my eyes, this amounts to extortion.
The price hike created a black market. But of course
the taxes are needed to pay tens of millions of
dollars needed to build bridges that they pulled down in
thirteen years. The government of becoming more communists by the
year under a joke, Hard does a smoker be a
burden on the medical profession when they die a PREMI

(34:00):
to your death. The folk that live into their nineties
needing new hips, knees, organ replacement and multiple medications are
a burden. Phil, that's a pretty cock eyed look on things.
I would say. I would say anyone that contracts lung
cancer through smoking is a burden on the health system.
Don't say just because they drop off and die, that
it's not such an issue. Interesting view eight double two

(34:24):
three double oh. In reference to the last caller that
said business runs the government to a point, he has
a certain amount of merit because our gas supplies seem
to be influenced by the companies and the government for
some reason refused to look into getting revenue from the
gas sales to foreigners out of Australian soil. Graham's tom
seriously claiming that Donald Trump isn't calling the shots in

(34:44):
the US. Albow might be a puppet, but Trump is
no muppet. Thank you for that, Rex Well. Regarding Austraighta's
proposal to recognize Palestine, US Secretary of Saint Marco Rubio
has labeled nations recognizing Palestine as totally meaningless.

Speaker 18 (35:00):
First of all, it's largely meaningless, right, it's symbolic, and
they're doing it primarily for one reason, and that is
their internal politics. They're domestic politics. The truth of the
matter is that the future of that region is not
going to be decided by some UN resolution, is not
going to be decided by some press release by a
prime minister or a president from some country. It's going

(35:21):
to be decided on the ground fact. But all these
statements are meaningless. They're not going to change anything.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Mirco Rubio there on the recognition of Palestine. Well, we
were talking about flags earlier and the fact that there's
been a call for people who desecrate or burn flags
to face criminal punishment. Philip Thompson is a member and
former a Member of Parliament and he is a former
serving soldier.

Speaker 19 (35:47):
Like many Australians, we've seen the Australian flag burned to
protests and I want to preface this by saying it's
not about the protests. I don't actually care about the
reasoning behind whatever they protesting. It's about the action of
burning the Australian flag. I've said underneath it. Our Shraane
Defense Force members wear the flag on their shoulder. Mates

(36:11):
of mine who have been killed in battle have the
Australian flag draped over their coffin. And I think that
it is about time that it become a criminal offense
to burn this flag. And I'll move this motion in
Parliament and I'm hoping for the support of the government
in making it a criminal offense.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Now that's MP Philip Thompson behind the push to pass
laws making it illegal to desecrate and burn the Australian flag.
What do you thought? It's a double two three double
o double. Oh, Jeff, you has some thoughts on the matter.

Speaker 20 (36:41):
Good morning, Hello Graham. I was in the Australian Army.
I joined when I was a young fellow with the
intent that if our country ever went to war, that
I would be the first to step up and defend it. Right,
So anyone who wants to burn our flag is a
direct off, directly offending to me because this is Australia,

(37:03):
and my grandfather also served in the war, so you
know we're stepping on a very gray area here. And
this matter of this Australia March, I think it's a
grassroots movement where people have been witnessing foreigners flying their
flags in Australia on occasions like they did on the

(37:28):
Sydney Harbor Bridge, and then they pretend to be Australian.
So I can see a lot of frustration out there
for a lot of people about this, and I think
that I'll be attending this march. Whoever's organizing, I don't care.
I feel like it's time that Australians stand up and

(37:51):
say it's enough of this high immigration because it is
a problem. Right, my children are in their twenties, they
can't afford a house. Well, whether immigration is the cause
of it, we don't know, but a significant factor, because
you can't just bring in people from other countries and

(38:12):
then expect them to compete with Australians for housing. This
is just unacceptable. And the reason they give us is
we need to boost our GDP. Well no we don't.
We need to have our Australian children moving into homes
and having families and they shouldn't have to go into
debt levels. That's totally unsustainable. They say. They bring these

(38:36):
economists on and say it's all about we need to
boost up GDP, we need to boost spending, but we don't.
The government is only doing this at the behest of
the multinationals. And it's pretty clear who's running the show.
Like we can't even tax our own natural resources like
other countries can tax theirs. Why aren't our politicians working

(38:57):
for us in a way that can enrich the people
instead of enriching others who are multinationals and stealing our wealth.
Why can't we have that.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Grand Jeff, I can't add anything to what you've said.
Thank you very much for your comment today. So would
you take part in the March for Australia campaign? Depending
on who organized it? Would that make a difference? Would
you march for the causes to reduce immigration, reduce the
cost of living and look after Australia and Australians first,
Let's know what you think regarding the burning of the flag.

(39:27):
It would appear that Independent member Frank Pangalo has been
looking to do this last year. He wanted to introduce
new laws to banned flags and insignias used by prescribed
terrorist organizations being proposed by Independent Or. He wanted to
ban the flags okay, also calling for the immediate removal
of an offensive anti Semitic symbol paintent on the Old

(39:48):
Synagogue in the city's East End. Also wants the flag
burning band. But is banning or burning flags banned anywhere
in the world. We might look into that. Eight double
two three double is the number Towe Tony, says Morning Graham.
The algae problem is a world wide problem, not just Australia.
It's a sign that people are the problem too, many

(40:09):
of us continuing drawing on the natural resources to feed
and housing ourselves. We are careless, wasteful, and unproductive how
we make the use of our resources. Yet nothing is
done to improve the productivity and efficiency on the use
of these resources. Look, I think, well, we don't know
specifically what is causing the algal blooms, not only here
but around the world. But the nutrients that flow into

(40:31):
the ocean, that flow out of the murray, the fire
retardants after a bush fire that end up flowing to
the waterways and out to see, the chemicals, the fertilizers
that end up flowing out to sea. We are paying
a price here. Why do we allow this to happen?
Why do we allow so much just flow out into
the sea, untreated, untouched, and we are now paying the

(40:55):
price for it. And this could be the thin edge
of the wedge. It could get worse. The thoughts are
this algal bloom. It was thought that when the water
got colder and the weather got more unpredictable and the
winds blue and the storms picked up, that the alga
bloom would wash away. Well, here we are in August.
The weather's going to start warming up again soon, and
the algal bloom is still with us, so there's a

(41:16):
lot that we don't know about it. It will be
interesting to put some of those questions to murray. What
when he joins us tomorrow On five double A eight
double two three double O double oh back after the News.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Six past ten on a Wednesday. Good morning, thanks for
tuning in. Well, we've been talking about the flag. Should
anyone who burns or desecrates the Australian flag be punished?
Comes after a federal MP who served under the Australian
flag launched an urgent bid to outlaw its destruction after
protesters were filmed burning an Australian flag at recent demonstrations

(41:51):
in Sydney. So what are your thoughts should we ban
the flag? It would appear that Israel, Saudi Arabia, France
all have heavy fines four flagged section. We don't have
any air in Australia and the United States, where most
of US, I think would have thought that they have
been such a patriotic country would have strong laws regarding
the desecration of the flag. They have no criminal offense

(42:14):
for burning the flag provided it's done peacefully and not
in violation of other laws like arson or inciting violence.
So there you have it. Should we bring in laws
to say it's a desecration or an offense to burn
or desecrate the Australian flag? What are your thoughts? Let's
know eight double two three double o double ow. Well,
yesterday we had a caller who sounded the alarm about

(42:37):
security checks being introduced for search engines along the same
lines as the age assurance technology behind the teen social
media ban. This is what Brenton had to say.

Speaker 21 (42:46):
In twenty twenty one, the government, Federal Government past the
Online Safety the intention of which was to protect the
safety for children.

Speaker 22 (42:55):
Accessing harmful content on.

Speaker 23 (42:57):
Social media as of July this year.

Speaker 21 (43:00):
An online Safety rule made in July twenty nine, twenty
twenty five, whereby from December the twenty seven Google, Microsoft,
YouTube and other search engines, I'm going to be requiring
every individual, every Australian, not just those purportedly under sixteen
of every Australian to provide their digital ID in order

(43:24):
to access those search engines.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
That was called a Brendan yesterday. So joining us now
as Professor for Information Sciences at RIMIT, Lisa given Lisa,
good morning to you.

Speaker 24 (43:35):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Is Brendan on the mark? Is that what's happening?

Speaker 24 (43:40):
He is on the mark in terms of a requirement
for people wanting to access an account on a search
engine service. That doesn't mean people can't search on a
search engine without logging in, but if you log in,
you are going to have to prove that you're over
the age of eighteen, otherwise some content will simply not
be shown to you.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I've got to say that I use Google often and
never log in.

Speaker 24 (44:05):
Correct, so that really won't change. What might change for
you is that there will be a requirement for the
companies to blur images. So let's say if you were
searching for a pornography website and it came up with
a little thumbnail image, any images there would be blurred
in case someone under the age of eighteen happened to
see that content, but you would still be able to

(44:26):
click through and access the content as you normally would.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Is this action unique to us to rit it or
is it being done elsewhere?

Speaker 24 (44:33):
It is the first that I have seen of this.
There are other countries. The UK, for example, has just
introduced something where people will have to log in if
they're accessing particular sites, so same if you're looking at
a pornography website, it requires you to be over the
age of eighteen. There are controls in place now on
those kinds of sites in the UK, but this type
of a more blanket approach at the level of a

(44:55):
search engine does seem to be a new thing.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
What do you think's behind this new the change in regulations?
Is it child safety or political optics or something else?

Speaker 24 (45:06):
Yeah, I mean, certainly at the heart of this regulation
is child safety, and it's dealing with very particular areas
around extreme violent self harm and online pornography, So those
are kind of the core areas they're trying to target here,
and the goal is to ensure that children are not
inadvertently getting access to this content. The challenge, as you say,

(45:26):
is many people do not log into services. But of
course if you are logged in, even if an adult
in the home verifies they're over eighteen, if they don't
log out of the service, then anyone in the household
could also get access to that content.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
So it's almost impossible to police. Is anywhere Yeah, anywhere
in the world doing it better. I mean, we agree
that child safety, we need to protect young people from
some of the horrors that are on the internet. Is
any country doing it better than us?

Speaker 24 (45:56):
Look, I really think that the United Kingdom and the
European Union are really the leaders in this space. I
think what they really do is they try to balance
things out a bit, so they say, look, there is
content that is absolutely legal, but it's aimed at adults,
and we do need controls there. So they're really starting
to put controls in at the level of specific platforms

(46:16):
and specific sites that people might access. I think that's
a much more appropriate and measured approach than trying to
say one size fits all, let's do it at the
search engine level. At the end of the day, people
will find a lot of workarounds, and as you say,
it's very difficult to actually police that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
When Brendon now Cola mentioned that yesterday, for a lot
of us, it was the first we'd heard of it.
Why is it being so little public discussion or even
political devide about it.

Speaker 24 (46:40):
Yeah, particularly when the social media ban got such sheet press.
You know, that was a new piece of legislation that
was being passed. It obviously was open for discussion, very
highly discussed across Australia. This is actually a regulation that
falls under the Online Safety Act. There are a number
of different regulations that come into play, and there are

(47:01):
other ones apparently that are under development, though I don't
know the scope of those. And this is really something
where you know, the industry bodies themselves, so companies like Meta, Google,
they have been involved in the discussions and the framing
of this new regulation, and obviously the e Safety Commission
is the one that you know, put out the notice
about it and in theory would be checking that these

(47:24):
are you know, the companies are following suit with what
the regulation purports. But it really did kind of feel
like it came out of the blue. It hasn't had
a lot of coverage. I wrote a conversation piece about
it that was on the heels of one article that
had been put out into the world, and we haven't
seen a lot of press on it overall.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Do you think the Safety Commissioner is I have a
step to mock.

Speaker 24 (47:47):
I think that the Safety Commission is absolutely in the
lane that they want to be in. I mean, they
are there trying to protect children. I think when you
when you look at the intent of the regulation, it
absolutely is is you know, the heart's in the right place,
as they say, I think the devil's going to be
in the details of how this gets launched. Obviously, the
onus is on the companies to demonstrate that they are

(48:08):
putting these controls in place. But what that's going to
mean for all of us is that we will be
obligated if we sign in to prove the world at
the age of eighteen.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Now, Professor, we have a call on the line. She
might ask a question, so you go ahead, yes, good morning.

Speaker 25 (48:23):
To the both of you. My question is what sort
of things will we need to fill in? Because I
think that a lot of the things that we need
to fill in, well, I guess we're already there, you know,
when we're in the phone book and everything else like that.
But what sort of questions will Google and all these

(48:44):
others be asking of us before we allowed to be
shown whatever we want klind is thing, Professor.

Speaker 24 (48:55):
That's a great question, and the regulation does outline this
in detail. So, for example, the companies could decide to
ask you to prove you know, the minute that you
log into your account, so it could be something where
they're saying, oh, you know, you need to upload a
piece of ID, or they could use facial scanning to
assess your age, the variety of mechanisms to do that.

(49:15):
They can also rely on existing information they already have
in their files. So for example, if you have maybe
logged into the App Store and there's credit card and
information in there that you use through your Google account,
they may take that as a proxy to demonstrate that
you're over the age of eighteen because you have a
credit card. So there are a mix of different ways

(49:37):
that the companies can do that. Of course, we don't
know what a specific company we'll choose to do, and
we're going to have to just watch as this regulation
comes into play at the end of the year to
see how that's going to work.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Thanks me cool by professor. On the text line, somebody's
asking what if I have had a Facebook or YouTube
account for four leen ears?

Speaker 24 (49:58):
Yeah, great question again, and they may look at that
and say, well, you probably weren't four years old when
you started your Facebook account, So they may immediately kind
of say, look, you've been on the platform this many years,
we anticipate that you're over the age of eighteen. If
it's a new account that you're setting up, then reasonably
they would be asking you to prove your age at
that point.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
How concerned should well a. Stradens be about the erosion
of online anonimity.

Speaker 24 (50:23):
I think this is something that experts around the world
are really starting to call out. Certainly, you know, people
really are not only careful with their private information, but
we really believe in freedom of information, free access to knowledge.
I think people are very worried about you know, who's
watching in behind the scenes. Many other people will very

(50:43):
cynically say, look, the tech companies already know everything I
do online, so some people may not be concerned. I
think it will have a bit of a chilling effect,
and I think we'll see a lot of people who
are actually opting to search outside of an account. Again,
that may limit the content and we don't know, oh
you know, we don't know what we're not seeing when
that happens. So there may be content that we should

(51:05):
reasonably be able to access that suddenly is blocked because we've.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Not logged in.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Another text is asking the question who defines what is
harmful content?

Speaker 24 (51:15):
It's a great it's a great question, and I think
that this again, devil is going to be in the details.
Are all there are always going to be sort of
the easy picks. If we think of something like porn Hub,
for example, which is a very well known site, we
can reasonably expect that something like that it requires an
ID to access for over eighteen. But there will be
other things that may get caught up in the mix.

(51:38):
We already know, for example, images of women's breasts for
health reasons, for learning about breast cancer, for example, is
that something that would be blocked to somebody who was
under the age of eighteen but might reasonably need that content.
This is where the devil will lie. And until these
things start to you know, working practice, we won't really

(51:59):
know some of those pep foles.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, I think we've barely scratched the surface. Professor, thanks
so much for your time today, My pleasure.

Speaker 24 (52:06):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Professor Lisa given Information Sciences at RMIT. What are your thoughts, folks,
age checks for search engine users? Do you use them regularly?
I've never signed in, i must say, but if you
need to sign and or get special access you might
need to. So it would appear that as of December
I think it is. The limitations will be similar to

(52:29):
the age assurance technology behind the teen social media ban,
so more information will have to be revealed. What are
your thoughts? Eight double two three double O double oh
back shortly five double.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
One past ten. A four day working week? If I
thought about it, do you work a four day working
how do you get away with it? Well, it's been
on the minds front of mine for the Greens. They
went to the last election pushing for a ward a
four day week. They've welcomed the Actus call for the
shorter working week, the same pay, of course, So how
realistic is it? Joining us now as Senator Barbara Pocock Green,

(53:04):
Senator for essay, Senator.

Speaker 10 (53:06):
Good morning to you, Good morning Graham, good to be
with you.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I don't think anyone would think working a four day
week isn't a good thing personally, but is it good
for the country.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
Well, we're looking at a range of different experiments underway
around the country right now and internationally, and there's a
lot of evidence telling us that productivity doesn't fall, that
absentees and falls, labor turnover falls, workers' health and.

Speaker 16 (53:35):
Wellbeing is a lot better.

Speaker 10 (53:37):
And the businesses places like Medibank, ox Fan some quite
large companies across the world coming up with research evidence
which tells us we should be moving in this direction.
And when we look at the last ten years, we've
seen rates of profit increase at twice the rate of wages,
lots of workers feeling a fall in their real wages.

(53:58):
This is a way we could share the gains of
the last decade or so and the ones coming at us,
perhaps through AI more fairly, so that families and lots
of people who are doing long hours or phil burnt
out could get more suitable reasonable working hours. And we
think this should be a topic of discussion at the
Productivity Summit next week.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Isn't it going to place a lot of pressure Many
businesses are going to the wall, cost of everything, cost
of electricity, cost of goods and services. Isn't this just
going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Speaker 10 (54:31):
Well, for some it certainly could change the way they
work and maybe challenging. But what we're saying is let's
do some experimentation. We were a country that led the
world on reducing working hours eighteen fifty six in Melbourne
in the construction industry, and everyone said at that time
the sky would fall, that Melbourne would be shut down

(54:52):
and that this couldn't possibly work. Well, it's now forty
years since we've had a reduction in working hours in Australia,
and I think it's time to have a go at
looking at places where it could work, to really evaluate
what the outcomes are, the good outcomes and the challenging one,
and to look at workplaces where it can work and
improve things. And a very different workforce than we were

(55:15):
even forty years ago, lots of women in the workforce,
lots of cares people want more flexibility.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
But let's look at.

Speaker 10 (55:22):
A general reduction in working hours in those places where
it can happen, and let's look at what the outcomes are.
You know, where it reduces labor turnover results in a
lot happier and healthier workers. You know that's a positive
benefit as well, and certainly there are Australian businesses who
are reaping those games right now.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Wouldn't there need to be safeguards in place to ensure productivity.

Speaker 10 (55:44):
Well, workplaces. We don't legislate for productivity. We try and
get all of the right things in place, including good
workplace relations law that protect workers and also make sure
that workplaces have good frameworks in which to operate, so
we have laws, for example, that mean you can't do
very long hours of work. What we need to do

(56:05):
is also look at ways in which we share the
benefits of productivity in our society. And at present we've
seen a big increase in the profit share, the wages
share has really shrunk, and there will be plenty of
workers listening to this who know that they're feeling that effect,
the burnout of it, the difficulty of managing the household bills,

(56:25):
and this is a way we could protect the pay
increase but give workers a share of the productivity they're generating.
And AI is really important here. We're looking at massive
transformations possibly in a lot of workplaces. We need to
make sure the benefits are a really significant new technology
don't just go to the bottom line of very large companies,
but are shared between all of us in our community.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
When you say a four day week, does that mean
a reduction in ours or would you do the same
number of hours and four days as you did in five.

Speaker 10 (56:56):
Well, if you do the same number of hours in
a pressed week, that's not actually a reduction in hours.
There are plenty of workplaces that do that now, and
it can be a useful thing, but it doesn't.

Speaker 16 (57:07):
Actually reduce your hours.

Speaker 10 (57:09):
What we are talking about in the many companies that
are exploring this at present is eighty percent of hours
with one hundred percent of productivity and one hundred percent
of pay. And there are plenty of examples where that
has worked out where they, for example, one of the
workplaces that I've been reading about and there are plenty
of them, do things like they've got rid of a
whole bunch of useless meetings, and there lots of us. No,

(57:32):
we do way too much useless stuff at workplaces. So
it acts as a bit of a productivity whip. When
you reduce the length of ours you've got available to
do things, you've become more efficient. And workplaces in many
locations have sat down how to look at what can
be done that would make them more efficient and effective
less useless jobs, and that can really result in big

(57:55):
benefits and no loss to productivity in fact big games.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
There would be some business or industries however, even there
that just couldn't operate on a four day week.

Speaker 10 (58:05):
Well, it's a four day week for the worker, it's
not necessarily a four day week for the workplace. So
you know, in the school system, for example, we're not
talking about all school suddenly working only Monday to Thursday,
but you might change the hours of teachers and school
assistants and so on, so they're spread over the working
week from Monday to Friday. So yes, it's restructuring working

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time for the worker, recognizing that workplaces need to make
arrangements that suit the services or the products that they
are producing in the way they do it.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Is it likely to have an impact on casual and
part time workers.

Speaker 10 (58:40):
Well, I think there are already plenty of people voting
with their feet on full time work because they find
they not only have to work full time hours, but
in some cases extended hours, and that really doesn't suit
people who've got caring responsibilities, whether it's your parents.

Speaker 16 (58:54):
Or your kids or whatever.

Speaker 8 (58:56):
So it won't make.

Speaker 10 (58:57):
A difference to the security of your job. We've got
a lot a lot of very insecure workers in Australia.
Our third of workers are casual or precarious on contracts
or whatever. That's another issue. This is really about looking
at the hours for a modern labor market with the
kind of lag of force we have now and making
sure we fairly share the benefits of productivity changes and

(59:18):
new technology, not just to bottom line and profit, but
also to workers and their families.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Senator pa cop good to chats the four day working leek.
What do you think Rex?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Good morning, I'm stay good. She believes what she's just said.
I'm sta good.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
How can I work? And she's holding Melbourne as an
example of productivity and a wonderful place to be finished.
Victoria's gone on the tube.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah, not the best place. It's not a shining example
of how to run a business or how to run
a state.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
She is in dreamly good look to yep.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Got on your exit. Yeah, I appreciate that. John and Nan,
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 26 (01:00:02):
Well, you know, useless meetings they went out with the DODO.
I mean, who has useless meetings nowadays? I don't know
how you're going to do five days work in four days.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Graham, that could be tricky.

Speaker 26 (01:00:18):
I just don't know how it's going to work. I
mean business away. It might be right in pocock Land
and government and bureaucracy, but out here in the real
world where people actually work for a living. Whereas a
fish and as blazers there's no way known you're going
to get five days work done in four days faithfully.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Well, as I made the point to the Senator, there
are a lot of businesses doing it really tough at
the moment, you know, dealing with added costs, power bills
and goods and services, and all of a sudden having
to lose their workers for a day a week have
with no guarantee of increased productivity. That'll send more businesses.

Speaker 12 (01:00:53):
To the wall.

Speaker 26 (01:00:55):
Yeah, shoes and dreamland. Anyway, Well done, Grahame. I look
forward to the three to five days a week going.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
John. I don't think that the boss is suggesting I
can work the four days. Yet we're working on it.
What are your thoughts on a four day week? I mean,
it sounds great in theory, but in the parlor state
that the country's in at the moment, is that what
we should be really looking at. Let's know, you're thinking
eight double two to three double double back. After news headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Twenty seven to eleven five double A on the subject
of a four day working week, Vince says, Hi, again, Graham,
a four day week is only going to add more
stress to produce the same output in a five day
week and will reduce our weekly income with the same
loan repayments. How does that work? Yeah, a lot to me,
answered Vince. I know working hours change over years. It

(01:01:45):
used to be a forty eight hour week. I don't
know what it was before that, then went to forty
four I think forty, then thirty eight hour week and
so forth. It is reduced progressively over the years. But
are we ready to take the next step to a
four day week? Someone suggests, so I would like the
Greens to work a four day year. Well how about that? Well,
there are claims today that organized crime is rife in Australia.

(01:02:07):
It's all to do with the illicit sale of tobacco
and vapes. Australian Association of Convenience Stores chief executive for
Caring joins me in our thea good morning to.

Speaker 16 (01:02:16):
You, Good morning Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Very alarming. Just how serious is the problem?

Speaker 16 (01:02:21):
It's a ten billion dollar problem to the Australian tax payers.
And that is when you combine the illegal tobacco market,
and that could be chop chop or packaging that comes
in from markets around the world that doesn't have any
health warnings on them as well as the illegal vaping problem.

(01:02:41):
So the tobacco is worth about six billion dollars in
lost excise, and the vaping market is estimated at about
four billion dollars, which is almost exclusively currently being supplied
by organized crime groups.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
We haven't always had organized crimes in this area. What
has caused the problem?

Speaker 16 (01:03:00):
Look, it's pretty simple, Graham. I think what we've had is,
you know, you can today you can purchase a illegal
packet of smokes in a twenty size for somewhere between
ten and fifteen dollars, and that same equivalent is anywhere
between forty five and fifty dollars. So that's because we've
had successive years of significant excise increase, and it's sort

(01:03:25):
of grown by sort of nearly six hundred percent over
twelve years now. The intent of excise originally, which we support, was,
you know, in simple terms, you put the price up,
people can't afford it, they stop smoking. What we've actually
seen play out now is because the gap is so
wide between the illegal and legal markets. You know, I

(01:03:47):
think consumers that choose to smoke, and they're adults, they
can make a choice, they're actually just buying it illegally,
and we think that because so that's one part. The
second part is effectively, for your listeners vaping products, if
you would like to use them as an adult, you're
meant to go to a pharmacy, sorry to a GP,

(01:04:09):
get a prescription, and then go to a pharmacy if
it's greater than twenty milligrams of nicotine. But if it's
less than twenty milligrams of nicotine, you're meant to you
can buy it over the counter. The problem with that
policy is only about seven hundred chemists out of some
thirty thousand actually range nicotine vaping products over the counter,

(01:04:31):
so you basically can't get them. And when you've got
you know, some two and a half million adult smokers
and one and a half million adult vapors, where you've
got such big demand and no supply of vaping products,
the illegal markets just you know they're going to count
on it. And it's simple when you look at risk

(01:04:56):
verse return. So you know, I think the organized crime
groups can purchase an illegal tobacco a container of illegal
tobacco for two hundred to three hundred thousand dollars, and
that same container can be sold for anywhere between eight
and ten million dollars, and the actual penalties associated with

(01:05:19):
that aren't actually keeping up with what the reward is,
so they're really weak penalties and only one person, literally
one person, has actually been prosecuted for this from an
importation perspective, So you've got there's more money in illegal
tobacco and illegal vates now with significantly less risk associated

(01:05:42):
with it than there are illegal drugs, heroin and all
the other bad things that come into the country. So
these organized crime groups have said, great, we've got all
these consumers, we've got a reason to give it to them,
either excise or prohibition of availability. Fill the demand, and
that's why we are where we are now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
The South Australian government is boasting that we've got the
toughest laws in the country. We've invested an additional sixteen
million dollars to create the Illicit Tobacco Task Force. The
minister has said the task force has removed thirty million
dollars of illegal tobacco from the streets. It's all going
up in smoke.

Speaker 16 (01:06:21):
Yeah. Look, so firstly, I'll say, you know, congratulations to
the South Australian Government and Minister Michaels. They really do
have the gold standard in legislation enforcement. They've got the
power to shut down stores for three months and soon
to be up to a year for bigger offenses. They've

(01:06:42):
set up this task force, and now what we have
is every other state and territory moving is quick. Sorry,
a lot of the states and territories moving as quickly
as they can to actually mirror the South Australian laws.
What we actually need to see is these people getting caught.
We need to see them prosecuted and go to jail,

(01:07:03):
and we need significantly more enforcement. Graham, I do feel
for the states because they have no control over the
excise on tobacco, they have no control over the regulation
of vapings as a consumer product, but they're left to
deal with what has become a national crime issue. It's

(01:07:23):
no longer about public health. They have to invest their
own money. A police resources are stretched, government resources are stretched,
but they're not getting much money from the federal government
to actually enforce this. So you know, I'll take this
opportunity to call out the Treasurer Jim Chalmers and the

(01:07:44):
federal Health Minister Mark Butler and say of the excise
that you're actually getting in from the legal tobacco market.
I think you need to start sharing a significantly larger
portion of that with the states and territories so that
they can actually set up these task force to use
the new powers that they have to shut down these

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stores once and for all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Is there any way under the current system that organized
crime and the illicit sale of tobacco on vapes can
be beaten?

Speaker 16 (01:08:17):
In my opinion, the solution is very simple. You know,
you look at the basic economics. The reason we have
an illegal tobacco market and now one in two a
tobacco product consumed in Australia are illegal is because a
legal pack is five times higher than an illegal pack.
So you know, our view is that the excise firstly

(01:08:39):
should be frozen and no more increases. But realistically to
make a dent in it, we believe the excise needs
to come back to about half of what it was,
so about the level at twenty eighteen still make it expensive,
but you reduce that gap. Secondly, we believe that regulating
vaping products in a control manner where you have plane packaging,

(01:09:03):
limited flavors that aren't attractive to children and only available
through licensed retailers, will suck the demand out of the
black market. And then thirdly, I think we actually need
the Commonwealth to step up and put on an enforcement
body such as the AFP, and they need to then

(01:09:23):
harmonize all of the legislation and enforcement requirements so that
you've got one set of rules. At the moment we've
got eight or nine different sets of rules. So in
our view, those three elements, if they are implemented simultaneously,
that will actually drive excise that is currently funding organized
crime groups back into the federal government to be able

(01:09:46):
to spend on important things like health, public infrastructure, education
and enforcement of this insidious program that the illegal criminals
are running.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Well, something has to be done. Thanks for your thoughts on.

Speaker 16 (01:10:00):
It today, really appreciate it. Thanks so much, Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
For Cai there from the Australian Association of Convenience Stores.
Are you a smoker? Do you pay full tot odds
or do you smoke illicit cigarettes? Driven there by the
fact that you're paying five times more than the illicit cigarettes.
So people who normally would be law abiding citizens are
just driven because of their addiction to buy these illicit smokes.

(01:10:27):
Let's know what you're thinking. Eight double two three, double dough, double.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Dough five, double A Mornings with Graham, Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Okay, let's take some calls. Sarah, good morning.

Speaker 27 (01:10:37):
Good morning, Graham, Good morning, Graham. I need help. I
care for a child with a rare medical disability, and
I've strongly advocated for this child to Jackie Bray, the
See of DCP, to the Child Protection Minister Katrine Hilliard,
and yet Jackie Bray has found adequately provided for the
child in care, has failed to intervene. And I personally

(01:11:02):
met with Peter, a premier, and he is well informed
and aware of the child's case. And Peter too has
failed to preside to the child.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
So what is the issue. What are you needing, Sarah
that you're not getting help with?

Speaker 27 (01:11:15):
Oh, this child is a rare medical disbility, and the
things that this child's being deprived of, Peter Graham is
being in our medical travel next week, we are working
hard and planning to go to a rare medical review
in Melbourne, and that is being denied. I don't have

(01:11:38):
time to explain everything that's happened, but I can say that,
you know, I see Peter in the media stepping up
and fixing other matters for the community, but he won't
step in and fix up the mess that Katrine hil
Diod has created.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
So we're talking about your specific case here. Is it
just a monetary issue or is it an administration issue?
What is the real issue?

Speaker 27 (01:11:57):
I think the real issue is the child is in
care and I think the issue is I guess those
governing bodies, you know, the chief executives, the ministers, those
governing bodies have power over I mean, I'm a carer
and when a Karra speaks up, there's retribution, and there's denial,
and there's you know, we get to speak up. You
speak up and you get shut down. And unfortunately this

(01:12:18):
child is any one of hundreds being deprived of needs.
But yeah, the key issue I think Graham at the
moment is for this child is disability. Is there's equipment,
there's support, and more importantly, right this very minute, is
this being denied to travel to Melbourne next week for
a medical review. It's an opportunity this child's not going

(01:12:41):
to get again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Looks Sarah, I'll look. I'll put you back to my
producer Sam to take some more details from you. We
will get in touch with Katrine Hillyard's office and speak
with her to see what the issues are and what
can be done to help out the situation. Thanks so
much for your call, Deardly.

Speaker 15 (01:12:58):
Good morning.

Speaker 28 (01:13:00):
And when this first started with the algal bloom, I
was devastated that there was nothing being done to try
to combat it and address what was happening. Initially, I'm thinking, well,
we know what to do with aquariums when we've got
algal breakouts and things, and I'd expected some more action
rather than waiting for mother Nature to come and fix
the problem. And now we're over four months into this,

(01:13:25):
I can't believe that we're still not doing something solid
to try to address what's happening out there. And my
concern now is about all of the decomposing bodies that
are under the under the sea and what might come next.
And my concern is that without doing something to try
to remove these things from under the ocean, that we

(01:13:48):
could end up with flesh eating bacteria forming because there's
no crabs out there anymore to eat what's what's dyed
and it's just rolling around in there, and who knows
what's to come if we don't start doing something to
try to remove the algae from the beaches and do
something solid to try to address what's happened.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah. I no, you're making some good points there. I
know money has been spent to look after people who
have lost income and the like, which is all well
and good. How much has been put into research I
don't know, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 28 (01:14:24):
Not all into actual things to try to mitigate and
combat what's happened. You've got all this fine washing up
on the beaches now, like there should be more action,
and I don't even know whether or not they should
involve military or what we could do. But you can't
just wait and see, you know, if things are going
to improve when we know we're still coming in summer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Yet I'm almost of the opinion hearing you speak, Deirdre
and what you're saying, that we should have an algal
bloom minister, someone who's sole priority is to fix the problem,
because this is a major issue, could be a generational issue,
It could go on for a long long time, and
it's we just don't want the environment minister, the water minister,

(01:15:08):
the premier, you know, looking the issue, you know, and
look casting it aside and putting it in someone else's basket.
Let's let's get a minister up and running, and I
thank you for your called Didre. I know you might
so as well. We don't need another department, but maybe
we do need a minister for algal Bloom whose sole

(01:15:29):
priority is to find out what the problem is, what
we can do about it, and to solicit funds, more
funding from the federal government, more from the state government,
and that is their sole task, and not not doing
anything else because this is a unique situation. It has
never happened before, and hopefully it will never happen again.

Speaker 23 (01:15:47):
Dave, good morning, good Thanks good I Sam tidied up
the lawn the first time in about six weeks. I've
been able to drive all white children is well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I'm pleased to hear that we're allowed clear good eye.

Speaker 23 (01:16:06):
I was just wondering where mister Mellon out this was.
I was seen him the other day on a sky
snippet the YouTube throwing to sell copper for the HP.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:16:19):
I'm just wondering whether he's lost some dough and he's
hydrogen plant deal over at Boyeler and he's trying to
rekeep some lost costs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Don't mention green hydrogen.

Speaker 23 (01:16:32):
No, green hydrogen. Yeah, don't mention the pair Bill. Yeah,
and instead of spreaking copper, he should have been spreaking
uranium and have a can't let him. I plant planet
around the country, so I help us there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Well, we certainly at least should look at it, Dave,
There's no question about that. Other countries are doing it.
Other countries are realizing that nuclear is the cleanest energy
of all, absolutely the cleanest energy of all.

Speaker 23 (01:16:58):
And that's the biggest We got plenty up there. All
we got to do is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Use it, that's right. I mean the people sort of
say argue against it. Will it takes so long to
build a nuclear energy plant. But you'll talk about the SMAs,
the smaller plants. They're being built around the world. Yes,
they're expensive, but once you've got them up and running,
they'll they'll run for fifty, sixty, seventy years. It's not
like wind farms where you know that how long do

(01:17:23):
the wind panels last? The windmills last, same with solar panels.
They've got a life.

Speaker 29 (01:17:29):
Now.

Speaker 23 (01:17:30):
The other thing, carry on from yesterday with the EV
tax i, Like what the sandage of the EV repair
stations are based in the country. How many of those areader?

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
No Dave, that wouldn't be happening.

Speaker 23 (01:17:48):
With it, and I've left not on that it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Yeah, where else are they getting their power? Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:17:56):
Where are they going to unless they've built, Unless I've
got fifty solar panel, they out on the paddick somewhere
in a windmill. They're not going to have enough fair
to do that out cheaper and easier to whack up
by a diesel generator or beyond a sense, and nobody
knows any difference. And as they believe they're getting free power.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Ah, yeah, good only Dave, thanks for bringing that to
our attention. Look, people sort of think that I'm against evs.
I'm not at all, but I think there are lots
of questions that need to be answered for people driving
around smugly thinking that they are saving the environment. The
stories that you hear of some of the things that
have gone into making an ev In terms of comparing

(01:18:37):
them to an internal combustion engine, initially they are far
greater polluters to the environment than internal combustion engines where
they get their lithium and rare earth than the batteries
and so forth. Yeah, from say pol a pedestrian has
been injured in a crash at wind Vail this morning
just after ten Police and emergency services were called to

(01:18:59):
the Golden Way following reports that a pedestrian had been
struck by a car. Pedestrian has sustained injuries. The Golden
Wires currently closed to southbound traffic from Sari Farm Drive.
Please avoid this area, so stay on FIVEA and you'll
get further information on that. David says, Gig the gentleman
you had on your show a couple of weeks ago

(01:19:19):
who talked about a licensed product he has access to
which uses microbubbles to eliminate algae. He mentioned success they
had in America. Why is this technology not being discussed
and mentioned to the ministers both state and federal yet. Look,
well you really need to have a good sit down
chat to see exactly what the government is doing. And
I do suggest we should have a minister for algal bloom,

(01:19:44):
a minister for a natural disaster, because it is a
real and happening thing at the moment. And all right,
maybe when the algal bloom issue is resolved, hopefully in
the short term, we will get rid of the position
of Minister for algal bloom. But at the moment, I
think it that series that we needed well. Premier Peter
Manlanaskus is joining senior US congressional representatives at the Osborne

(01:20:06):
Naval Shipyard today as the Australian and American Leadership Dialogue
launchers for the first time in Adelaide. Here's the Premier.

Speaker 30 (01:20:12):
Adelaide feels exceptionally grateful for the opportunity to be able
to host the Australian American Leadership Dialogue. Over the course
the next few days, we are seeing senior Congressmen, senators,
officials from both the defense sector but also the public
service in the US here to engage with counterparts within
the Australian bureaucracy and military and political sphere to make

(01:20:33):
sure that we continue to build the momentum that is
already being enjoyed in South Australia around the relationship. Of course,
central to that is Aucus and as a state government.
We've obviously made very clear that we welcome the Orchest
review that has been conducted by the Trump administration because
that review will allow and will bring to light just

(01:20:54):
how much work is already underway here in Osborne, but
also in South Australia more broadly, particularly as we challenge
on that challenge that Congressman Courtney referred to in Workforce.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
That's the premiere speaking about the Australian American leadership dialogue.
Hi Graham, I smoke, But why am I going to
pay eight hundred dollars per fortnite when I can get
more for less than half of that. I don't consider
myself a criminal. What is criminal is the tax on
legal cigarettes. See, the government thought they were achieving two things.
That we bump up the price of cigarettes will stop

(01:21:26):
a lot of people smoking, and those that continue smoking, well,
the excise that we've put on it will make a
lot of money. Well that's backfiring big time because they've
put so much on top of cigarettes that it's prohibitive
to buy them, and a lot of people who are
very straight and narrow and do the right thing citizens
who have an addiction to smoking are saying no, we'll
buy the cheap stuff. So it is backfired big time.

(01:21:48):
FIVEA A breakfast program regarding Algill Bloom colleague who has
shown a video on the weekend of a professional netter
working out of Port Pirie whore netted six tons of
King George Whiting in one hall. The catch was big
for his boat, so he called in his fellow professionals
and divided up the catch. I have no idea what
the legal catches for these operators, nor what oversight there is,

(01:22:09):
given the state of the Gulf warders at present. The
sort of behavior is unacceptable. A catch that size would
represent at least fifteen thousand fish and severely depletes the
current threatened fish stocks. And so it goes on. Cannot
read any more of that, but yeah, thank you for
contributing that. Gooday, what do they expect us to work
four days every week? I go to talk to the

(01:22:31):
shop Stuart about this, says Eddie. Thank you for that, Eddie.
Eight double two three double o double. If you want
to talk about training hours, working hours, smoking? Are you
an avid smoker? Not avid? An addicted smoker? Are you
breaking the law so you can maintain your habit? Let's know?
Eight double two to three double o double. Oh back
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really hard to believe, but it's been fifteen years since

(01:23:16):
the Jodie Lee Foundation was launched. Born from tragedy, but
driven by a powerful purpose to save lives through the
early detection and prevention of bowel cancer. It was founded
by Nick Lee after the heartbreaking loss of his wife
Jody at just forty one, and since then, the foundation
has become a national force in raising awareness, changing behavior,
and prompting life saving conversations around one of ustrada's most

(01:23:37):
common and preventable cancers. Nick Lee, welcome, good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (01:23:42):
Thanks Graham, good to be on.

Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Congratulations on fifteen years of extraordinary work. But it must
be bittersweet, Yeah it is.

Speaker 8 (01:23:52):
Look, I'd bring Jody back in an instant. She was
obviously thirty nine when she was diagnosed and died at
the age of forty one, but look since then and
setting up the foundation in August twenty ten, I'm really
proud of what the foundation has achieved. There's loads of
early detection stories and loads of people that we've been

(01:24:15):
able to support in many different ways, not just early detection.
But yeah, it is a somewhat bittersweet, but what a
wonderful legacy that she leaves to despite dying in tragic circumstances,
being able to help so many people through the foundation.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Fifteen years on, what stands out as the most significant
impact the foundations made.

Speaker 13 (01:24:41):
Look, I think for.

Speaker 8 (01:24:43):
Me, when I set up the foundation, you kind of
hoped that you might savor our life. We've done that
in spades. There's been lots of, as I mentioned, great
early detection stories, but I guess the thing that really
I didn't expect was how many opportunities that we had to,

(01:25:07):
you know, help others in different ways as well. So,
as you know, we run a number of events each
year and that kind of challenges people in a physical way,
so hopefully making healthier choices. We've had quite a few
families that have been impacted by bout cancer and then
been able to channel their energies in a really positive
way through the foundation and its activities. You know, we've

(01:25:30):
had loads of volunteers over the years, We've employed quite
a number of people, We've created lots of awareness in
the community, so yeah, it's helped many people in many ways.
So I'm, as I said, super proud of that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yeah, bout cancer isn't to often talk about openly. How
have you managed to break through the stigma that and
start those important conversations.

Speaker 8 (01:25:57):
With difficulty? Look, I one of the things that I,
I guess have been most challenged by is the fact
that we haven't got more people to act on our messages.
I mean, it's a pretty simple message, and we often
use the word BEAT, which is our kind of vision
to beat a bour cancer given it is so prevalent

(01:26:20):
but very preventable, and the BEAT message is pretty simple.
It's B is for be active and healthy, E is
for explore your family history as to act on symptoms,
and T is to take the test. And logically people
can pretty readily wrap their heads around that, But then
so many Australians are still not protecting themselves from this

(01:26:44):
disease that is more than ninety percent preventable if caught early.
So yeah, it's it's really about how do you motivate
people to take that next step, not just to create awareness,
but to go on and protect themselves. So we run
a lot of different programs to assist with that. We

(01:27:08):
have some celebrities that help us get some cut through.
We have some ambassadors that have really powerful stories. We
use very smart, creative people to help us change behavior,
and we try and do that at scale. But yeah,
I know we would have saved many more lives if
we've got to or just simply been able to convince

(01:27:28):
more people to act on those simple messages.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
There's always been issue regarding men and men's health, you know,
or blogs think they're bulletproof. Has this changed over the years?
You know, men don't talk to one another about their
health issues where women openly do. Men don't go to
the doctor, and unless it's a last resort. So is
this still a barrier or is it gradually breaking down?

Speaker 8 (01:27:50):
Well, look, Graham, I think it is gradually breaking down,
but in my view, not fast enough. I think there
are more men talking about it now. And you know,
when I look at my son's generation, they're far more
readily to discuss health, their health with their mates than
perhaps I were, certainly my parents were, So I think

(01:28:12):
it is changing. But it's a pretty horrific stat isn't it.
And I guess the most alarming stats is around suicide
in this country where three quarters are men, and I'm
sure a big part of that is that they're just
not talking to each other, they're not using their social supports,
and they're not reaching out for help when they need it.
And the same apply for bour cancer. They're not doing

(01:28:36):
the screening tests and the participation rate behind the government
program for males is around the forty percent mark. So
that's just not high enough when we'd love more men
to be doing that simple test.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
It's not that long ago that bal cancer was considered
an older person's disease. Tragically, that's no longer the case.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
No, and this we feel like the Joe Lee Founde
has a really important role to play. Jody was only
thirty nine years old when she was diagnosed. We've managed
to convince the government to reduce the screening age down
to forty five and you can opt into the screen
at that time and then you get the test automately

(01:29:17):
from fifty. But there are a growing incidence of younger
people getting this disease, and if you look at the
last thirty years, that increase is two hundred and sixty percent,
making it now the leading cancer killer in younger people.
So you know, that's something with Jody being thirty nine
and we having you know, as you know, quite a

(01:29:39):
lot of youth ambassa's attached to the Foundation, we feel
like that's a really important area that we can make
a difference. So we're really focused on that and getting
messages out to that younger group of people into the future.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Next fifteen years is certainly a milestone. What does the
next chapter of the JD. Lee Foundation look like?

Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
Look, I think it's in many ways it's more of
the scale same at greater scale and really trying to
focus on what are the key things that are going
to convince people to act. But we will also have
a greater level of focus on that younger group given
that statistic that we just talk through. So we will

(01:30:23):
work very hard to encourage younger Australians to make better
health choices to try and eliminate this disease in younger
generations going forward. And we also have had some success
in low screening participation rural and remote areas, so we'll

(01:30:43):
continue to drive that work as well, encouraging people in
those areas where their participation rates particularly low to take
simple test.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
If anyone wants more information on the work of the
Jodie Lee Foundation or what they can do or advice
to get what should they do.

Speaker 8 (01:31:01):
Just google Jodie Lee Foundation and Jody Eving spelt Jodi
and will pop up. There's lots of ways that you
can help support the foundation. We have a lot of events.
We've got a gala ball coming up at the end
of this month. We've still got a couple of tables
that we can sell, so if anybody is interested in that,

(01:31:23):
that's on the thirtieth of August and details are under
our events tab. And we've got the Melbourne Cup and
the Polo and other events coming up where we'll be
raising money and creating awareness. There's volunteering opportunities and going
to the website too will also help inform you of
the key things that you can do to protect yourself.

(01:31:46):
And we've got really practical tools on that website as well,
like our screening tool and some information about our initiatives
like Crusty Gutners. So yeah, great place to see all
the things that we're doing and get behind us if
you're passionate about preventing bow cancer in this country now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Nick, Finally, if you could give one message to every
Australian listening to five double at the moment about their health.
What would it be.

Speaker 8 (01:32:18):
Do something as simple as that? I think, yeah, we've
I feel like from an awareness perspective, there is a
much greater level of awareness than when we started the
foundation fifteen years ago. But now it's time to act
on that. So get hold of a simple screening test
and do it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Nick, always great to chat. Thanks for your time, Thanks
for an appreciate it. Nick Lee, the chairman and founder
of the Jerdy Lee Foundation. It's cut a past eleven
five double A five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings
nine in past eleven five double A on the Wednesday
morning Nancy's ad Fenden. Good morning, Nancy Graham.

Speaker 31 (01:33:00):
I was just listening driving to West Lags but I
stopped the car and I was listening to your program
BAO Cancer. Yes, that walk back a few memories. I
lost my own mother at the age. She got diagnosed
at sixty two, passed away sixty six from this. By
the time she had said anything to us, it was
too late. The cancer had spread. So I'm on everyone's
case whoever I see. Even my own doctor pushed me

(01:33:22):
to go in and have tests because it can be
a genetic thing as.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Well, certainly.

Speaker 31 (01:33:27):
So yeah, it just brought back a few memories and
I do my best out in the community. Also, I'm
a committee member of the Saint Or Family Association. We
had a bingo night and one of our raffles we
raised funds for bail cancer because it was something close
to a few of our hearts. Just but I'll give
us an extra plug there. But no, it's good to

(01:33:49):
hear things like this because it brings back an awareness
and I just wanted to commend you for that.

Speaker 15 (01:33:54):
That was all.

Speaker 31 (01:33:55):
Thank you very much for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Oh thank you, Nancy. Thank you for pulling up the
car and giving us a call about that. The Jodey
Lee Foundation done some wonderful work. I'm an ambassador for
the Jodey Lee Foundation, having gone through the rigors of
bow cancer and I was one of those silly people
who didn't go to the doctor on a regular basis.
But it's all about awareness and bow cancer is one

(01:34:17):
cancer that if detected early, is eminently treatable. So it's
an interesting point on doing the test. And no names here,
but the surgeon that I had, a wonderful, talented man,
in a lot of discussions that we had, and we're
talking about having colin oscopes and regular checkups. I said
to him, and he was somebody probably in his fifties

(01:34:39):
at the time, how many checkups have you had for
bow cancer? How many colin oscopies? And he said none.
I said, You've got to be kidding me. He said, no,
I haven't. And I thought, well, practicing what you preach
not eight double two to three doubo is the number
to ring well Haw's disgraced former liberally David spears quest

(01:35:01):
to return to politics fallen before its first jump. He's
being investigated now for a possible breach of the Privacy
Act after he emailed his former constituents asking them for
money to go towards a charity walk he is participating in.
So we've heard. He hasn't said specifically, but he's considering
a return to politics. He spoke on breakfast this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Can we just cut to the chase and can I
ask you, David, given what you've been through, do you
feel ready to re enter politics as early as March
next year?

Speaker 15 (01:35:31):
At this stage?

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
No?

Speaker 32 (01:35:32):
No, I don't you never say never. There are other
opportunities to sare the community. And I'm really passionate about
that part of Adelaide that I used to represent God's
country post cold five to one.

Speaker 18 (01:35:44):
Five eight.

Speaker 32 (01:35:46):
And a bit of five oh four nine as well.
But you know, I've got a lot of healing today,
a lot of free building today. I'm really honest about that,
and focusing really on my mental health but also mental
health advocacy at the moment. And and there are, as
i say, plenty of other ways that you can use
your skills and experiences to stare up for the community.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
Well, Tom Kutzon Turnas had his say on the David
Spears manner.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Well, the one person who's missing from all of this
is Vince Tazia. Vince wanted David Spears to be Premier
of South Australia. I think the Liberal Party have got
a lot to ask for when it comes to David Spears.
And I think David Spears and the Liberal Party have
put South Australia through a soap opera.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
They were all sick.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Of David Spears. Should he run for politics again? If so,
would you vote for him if he ran in the
seat of black where he ran before At the time
that charges were laid. Drug charges were laid against him,
which he vehemently denied. There were plenty of people in
the electorate who stood by him and said they would
vote for him and they believed in him. Following the

(01:36:51):
fact that he was proven guilty, would you still be
so adamant in your support. Let's know, if David Spears
ran for the seat that he held before again, would
he be voted in. It would appear the major parties
are taking it seriously. We've heard that the Labor Party
the government is in fact going to put more money
in that area, obviously fearing that David Spears could have

(01:37:13):
enough groundswell of support to get reelected. What do you think?
Eight double two three double double, Oh, good morning, Graham.
Read the Algill Bloom. I agree with you. The problem
is man made. We are reaping the rewards for greed,
pollution and disrespecting our environment. We reap what we sow.
The only cure is to stop corporate greed and pollution.
This is a great lesson to us for the future.

(01:37:34):
Thank you for that. Marty high gg I smoke rollies.
I pay forty five dollars that would legally cost me
around two hundred and fifty dollars. What would you expect
me to do?

Speaker 23 (01:37:43):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Only, Peter, A lot of good people are also buying
the cheap smoke so they can afford to put dinner
on the table as well, right hi gg Imagine the
uproar if anyone who opposed the protest march in Sydney
or Sydney Harbor were there and burnt the Palestinian Indigenous
or Haspolo flag all which were being displayed, that would
be seen as inciting the hatred and violence. Why wouldn't

(01:38:07):
the same apply to burning the Australian flag. Wake up Australia,
says Rey. And on evs and road costs, electric av
electric road costs and any higher car or RV who
will pay the cost per kilometer use on the road tax,
they will go broke because no one will hire a
vehicle to travel interstate or the country. What are your thoughts? Well,

(01:38:28):
A big meeting is coming up in the next few
days between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin hoping to resolve
the Ukrainian issue. White House Press Secrety Caroline Lebertt spoke
about it a short time ago.

Speaker 33 (01:38:40):
This administration has really used every lever, has taken every
measure to achieve peace through a diplomatic solution, and I
think the President of the United States getting in the
room with the President of Russia, sitting face to face
rather than speaking over the telephone, will give this president
the best indication of how to end this war and where.

Speaker 17 (01:39:00):
This is headed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
And this is what former national security advisor to Trump
John Balton had to say.

Speaker 29 (01:39:07):
We've seen in the past that that Putin does much
of the talking, and I think he's got the burden
in a way to try and move Trump in his direction.
He's got to try and figure out what will persuade Trump.
Whether it's true or not is irrelevant, but will persuade
Trump that he's the trip that Putin seriously wants peace.
The real metric here the person being tested is Putin,

(01:39:30):
not will Trump show he's tough, but will Putin be
able to get the KGB mojo going again to re
establish the close personal relationship to get what he wants.
Trump wants this to be his deal that that he
makes with Putin that he then presents as Lenski, which
obviously is very dangerous for the Ukrainians. So uh, and

(01:39:53):
it certainly fits right into Putin's game plan, Keep the
Ukrainians out, keep the pesky Europeans out. Just one one
between him and Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Watch the space twenty seven past eleven. Let's take a call, Mel,
Good morning, Good morning. You want to comment about David Spears.

Speaker 24 (01:40:12):
Yeah, Look, just two quick comments.

Speaker 9 (01:40:15):
I think for any leader in our community, they should
they should be a role model for everyone else. And
I'm not sure that David quite fits the bill, So
that's the first thing I want to say. But also
on the other side of the sense, I feel it
shows a level of arrogance that after the lies, he

(01:40:38):
feels he can come back and be voted in again.
So I just wanted to share that opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Thank you for that, Mel. Yeah, there was a lot
of support for David Spears when he was first charged
with the drug offenses, and he denied them vehemently, saying
it was artificial intelligence, the picture had been manufactured, it
wasn't him and a lot of his supporters rallied around them.
Do you feel just as strongly enough because he lied,

(01:41:04):
He absolutely lied, bare face lied. So would you be
comfortable voting for him at the next election? What laws
would need to change to allow him to sit if
he's been convicted of a crime. I'm not sure of
the law whether you have to serve jail time before
you are stricken from being able to serve as a parliamentarian?
Like to know that. Have you ever been pulled over

(01:41:27):
by the RBA A smug feeling when you've had nothing
to drink and you know, in fact I've driven past
and I haven't had a drink and they haven't weighed
me down to stop, and I'm thinking, well, stop me,
let me blow into the bag. Well, the RBA tests
are out there. We see them quite frequently. RBT, not RBA,
the Reserve Bank. I'm talking about stuck on interest rate

(01:41:49):
cuts here, the RBT. And apparently southa Stateia has fewer
tests per capita than Eastern states, but has a higher
rate of positive results. A portion of motors caught via
random breath testing in southa Strada is almost tripled out
of Victoria and more than double that of New South Wales.
In twenty twenty four to twenty five, Victoria carried out
four hundred and fifty two random breath tests per one

(01:42:12):
thousand people. New South Wales four point thirty, Queensland three
hundred and seventy four Southastraia only two hundred and eighty three,
but when it came to positive results, ours were substantially
higher than the rest. So what are your thoughts like
to know? Eight double two three double O double oh.
Back after news headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Karen on the text line says morning. Regarding David Spears,
why on earth would you vote him in? He not
only used cocaine but was a supplier to and to
begin with, he adamantly denied this, blaming the footage in
his kitchen as being ai okay, all talk and no action.
That's how Leader of the National's David little Proud is

(01:42:54):
describing Labour's agricultural roundtable. He joins me in our David,
good morning to.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
You, good morning, go to you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
We'll talk, no action. Why do you say that?

Speaker 14 (01:43:03):
Well, what we've seen announced is actually what was announced
before the last election. A food security committee that three
and a half million dollars was committed before the election.
Is just really the formalization of that without addressing the
real issues. The real issues facing agricultural sector is taxation,
the unrealized capital gains tax on superre intuation funds, which

(01:43:26):
over three and a half thousand farming families have their
land tied up in and rely on the weather to
be able to pay for this tax. It's about the
energy policy that's not just destroying them in terms of
the cost, but also the renewables approach is tearing up
their productivity and your food security. And it's the competition
not being prepared to take on the supermarket. So the

(01:43:48):
government's done everything but facing to these issues, many of
which they've created, and unfortunately are not prepared to help
productivity in the agriculture sector, which means you're going to
pay more and that's before you even get to infrastructure
of just billing some potholes so that we can get
the product from you from their paddict to your plate.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
So who attended this roundtable?

Speaker 14 (01:44:10):
Well, we're still not sure there was fifty invited. I mean,
with all due respect the fact that they're not prepared
to tell us what was even on the agenda who
was invited, Whereas least grim Jim Charmers has put out
for a couple of weeks who's been invited to the
broader economic productivity round table? And what the and what

(01:44:30):
the agenda is just ask more questions than gives answers.
From Julie Collins, it seems as though she's running from
facing up to the issues that are facing primary producers.
But the only productivity this government has created has actually
been for U West farmers to bring their beef into Australia,
circumventing much of the science around the biosecurity risk that poses.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
Was this round table I didn't you don't know who
was invited, but wasn't meant to be bipartisan.

Speaker 14 (01:44:57):
Well, it's interesting Jim Chalmers has got to buy part approach.
Having Ted O'Brien, Shadow Treasurer attend, I'm prepared to be
constructive and go there and lean into these problems and
facement together. I went to the Jobs of Skills summit
after the twenty two election because I think what people
want from their politicians is outcomes and you've got to

(01:45:19):
be prepared to have those conversations. Now, Julie Collins didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
See it that way.

Speaker 14 (01:45:22):
That's her, that's her progative. They're the government. But if
you really want to help farmers, then you've got to
face up to those challenges that are there, have the
courage to face up to them and address them with
real solutions.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
If you'd been invited to the roundtable, what issues would
you have been pushing?

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:45:39):
Well, definitely the taxation issues one of the major one.
I mean, just understand TAXI unrealized capital gain. When you've
got farmers, as part of their success in trying to
bring their next generation back to the land, have put
much of their properties in the supernation. If you spend
six or seven hundred thousand dollars on a crop planning

(01:46:00):
for some wehat in the winter and it doesn't rain,
you have no income. Yet your asset still goes up
and you've got to pay thirty percent on the increased
value of that. How do you pay for it when
you're relying on the weather.

Speaker 15 (01:46:11):
How does a.

Speaker 14 (01:46:11):
Farmer pretend to be able to pay for that? I mean,
you look at the energy issues that are trring prime
agricultural land apart, as well as families and communities, and
not even filling in some potholes. We've had thirty billion
dollars worth of infrastructure spend on roads and dams. The
tools that farmers need to get the product grown and

(01:46:34):
end your plate had taken away. So it's just some
common sense, back to basics. They're not asking for a lot,
They're just asking to have these simple things put around
them and then for government to get out of their
life as quickly as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
You mentioned that all labor has done has help us
beef producers. Do you think this is an attempt to
secure a meeting with Donald Trump?

Speaker 29 (01:46:54):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:46:55):
Well, definitely. I mean it's obvious that Kevin Rudd's not
doing so well over there. The fact is that if
they were so confident in science, why did they in
the Greens boat against the Senate bringing the Department of
Agriculture in front of them to explain the science of
which this decision was predicated on. If they're so confident
and just understand, this isn't an agricultural issue, this is

(01:47:16):
a human health issue. We are talking to things like BS,
which is mad cow disease tuberculosis that could be brought
into this country in contaminated meat because it originated from
countries like Mexico or South America, not from the United States.
So if they're so confident and the process was so robust,
why wouldn't we look at the science and challenge the

(01:47:39):
science and make sure it's peer reviewed. So that's the
challenge of the government. But it's obvious that there was
a decision the department had to catch up to and
they've simply allowed it to happen, and they hell with
the risk. That's not how you should undertake biosecurity, That's
not how you should undertake trade. But that is the
diplomatic failings of an easy government with the Trump administration,

(01:48:01):
not just on trade, on Orcus and now on Palestine.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
You've expressed your concerns previously about the proposed supertax. Just
what impact does that likely to have on the man
on the land.

Speaker 14 (01:48:14):
Yeah, so it's already happening. So the family farm and
I used to be in old rural banker lending money
to farmers, much of them put they buy land, expand
in the hope that their kids might come back. What
happens is is those invariably a lot more than three
million dollars. Now, what's going to happen with the legislation
that government's ramming through now is that every time the

(01:48:37):
paper value of that asset, even though they haven't sold it,
goes up that increase above three million, they pay thirty
percent tax on and we're already seeing some farmers, in
fear of this, are transferring these parcels of land out
of their superannuation into other family visits. But that also
triggers what we call stentry, hundreds of thousands of dollars

(01:48:59):
in trans burkos just because this government has has changed
the principle about taxing unrealized capital guide And it shouldn't
be just farmers that should worry about this. I mean,
their concern is if they have to pay a tax
and they've had a file wheat crop or the drought
hits and they have no cash to pay for it.
Their only way out of this is to realize the
asset and actually sell it. That's not productive, that's not

(01:49:22):
adding productivity, and that's actually hurting farming families compete against
big corporates. So we should be all worried about this
because if labor starts on supergation funds, they'll go over
trusts and they'll probably end up instead of going after
negative gearing, they probably go after your residential investment properly.
At some point. This is an ideological shift that starting

(01:49:44):
with farmers, but it could go all the way to
the mom and dad investor out there, because it's a
dangerous principle of taxing and unrealized capital gain. That's frightening
to think that that's a principle that's coming to our
taxation system here in Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
If I can hark back to the Agricultural roundtable that
you say was shrouded in secrecy, have you asked for
a briefing from the minister?

Speaker 14 (01:50:07):
Well, we will be asking for a briefing and through
question time and that's the only way we can do
it because it's not a function of Parliament, the roundtable.
It's a function that the government has created. But you know,
I would have thought you would have put the agenda
out and the attendee, So why Jim Chalmers did so
that you can ruminate these issues within the industry and

(01:50:30):
across the farming sector, not have fifty a ten that
we don't even know who attended. In fact, I met
with some of the research development corporations this morning and
they were baffled. If they're talking about proactivity, why would
you have the R and D agricultural organizations there to
talk about productivity?

Speaker 15 (01:50:48):
They weren't even invited.

Speaker 14 (01:50:49):
So it's it's just the bizarre that you have a
Minister that didn't bother to tell who was there, what
were the topics on the agenda, because that not necessarily
fit with what the man on the land wants. And
particularly when talking about those research and development corporations who
control about a billion dollars worth of research dollars every

(01:51:12):
year for science for genetics and plant and animals to
get better productivity, why would they be the starting point
to be there. So I just think the minister's trying
to lay low without any scrutiny. There won't be a
lot out of them, the platachudes that have come out
of it, and nothing more than promises that were made
twelve months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
David Little Proud, thanks for your time today. That's the
Federal National Leader David Little Proud on the agricultural roundtable
that he wasn't invited to. Shrouded in secrecy. The invite lists,
the agenda and the outcomes not publicly available. Eight double
two three double o double is the number to ring Well.
A short time ago, the Prime Minister held a news conference.

(01:51:52):
He was asked of the recognition of Palestine will impact
Australia and US relations.

Speaker 34 (01:51:57):
President Trump has been advocate peace in the Middle East
and indeed is characterized by being an advocate for peace
around the world. And this is an opportunity that the
international community are saying very clearly, enough is enough? What

(01:52:18):
is a way forward for peace and security after seventy
seven years of conflict the whole world and indeed Australia
has been committed to a bipartisan support for a two
state solution for a long period of time. One of
those states is Israel, the other is Palliser. In order

(01:52:40):
for Palestinians to be able to satisfy their legitimate aspirations
for their own state, Israel must be assured of security
as well, and that is what the world is working towards.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
And the Prime Minister was also asked about the four
day working week.

Speaker 34 (01:52:58):
I wouldn't mind a six day and twenty three hour
work week myself rather than twenty four to seven is
people will come up with a whole range of ideas
and you know that's not a bad thing, you know,
I think a lot of people would like to have

(01:53:22):
a five day working work and say, look, these ideas
will come up.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
I'm not going to give a.

Speaker 34 (01:53:27):
Running commentary on all of them, but certainly the government
has no plans in a range of industries, sometimes people
work different hours. So for example, in the resources sector,
for example here in Queensland, I've got friends who work
in that sector who live in Mackay or Rocky or

(01:53:48):
Cans work for a period of days on and their
work a period of days off, five days on, five
days off, or there's various roster arrangements as well, so
they singhs worked through the ACTU of course is entitled
to put forward whatever ideas it likes, but that doesn't mean,

(01:54:12):
as I've said that at government policy. Because someone put
forward an idea the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Four day working leak for it or again it the
views of the Prime Minister. As you know, Royal Adelaide
show is not that far away, presented by Drake's or week.
We have double passes to give away or you to
head along best caller of the day, Still time before
Sam does a final judging. If you give us a
call now eight double two to three double O DOUBLEO

(01:54:38):
is the number to ring on the text line. Hey Gg,
so spears told a lie that makes him more than
qualified for Parliament. Remember no ramping or power bills down
by two hundred and seventy five dollars. You'll only need
this green card. The list is endless. Mark, you make
some very very salient points, Jack says Hi Graham Albanez,
he lied through the voice debarcle and he was voted

(01:54:59):
back in power. Anyone can lie and will lie. Morning.
Regarding David Spears, why on earth would you vote him in?
He not only used cocaine, but he was a supplier
to your thoughts. Give us a call. Eight double two
to three double O double oh back shorty five double A.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Mornings with Graham. Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
As we ender the final minutes of the show, Still
time for you to call if you'd like to have
a chat. I'd love to hear from you. Eight double
two three doublow double low four day week. How is
the construction industry going to survive? I was self employed
as a plumber for thirty three years, lots of time
working six days a week. There are too many lazy
people in this country. Stop immigration. This country is going

(01:55:38):
down the toilet. Thank you for that last Mark, Good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:55:42):
Good morning Grain. Look talking about hospitals, Look, I rem
the old days at the Rowdale, at the old hospital
right where they had six people in a room or
four people in the room. Now you see a new hospital,
they got one per room.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
That's right. Yeah, it's a lot of.

Speaker 12 (01:55:57):
And they're not thinking of the future of the population bigger.
Now that was a mistake when that was plain and
now that's why we get this a lot of trouble
at the hospital and secondly the world allelaide I hope
when they built this hospital, that build it for four
or six people in a room, because those poor nurses
have to go up and down on one per room.

(01:56:17):
We've leasedally got six. It will be less work for them.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
Yeah, you make an interesting point. I know why they
do it and the health and safety reasons. It is
ideal to have one person per room because if there's
any chance of spreading disease, it's less likely in one
person per room. But if you don't have enough beds
for the people, you know what would you rather be
ramped in a hospital, in an ambulance outside or in
a bed sharing it with three or four other people,
or sharing the room not the.

Speaker 12 (01:56:41):
Bed, Yeah, gray with ramping. Look, my suggesting is what
they should have done is kept the wait for hospital
as a backup, because you know how the royal gets
busy with ramping. Well, they could put people in that
hospital and when there's a gap, brought a space, bring
one out of time lest will stop the ramping. That's
one way they could have done it. Kept that way

(01:57:02):
for the hospital to use it for themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
Yeah, no, you make a good point. I don't know
the logistics of it, Mark, but they're putting people up
in hotels at the moment. Now, that isn't the ideal situation.
We're assured that it's meeting all medical requirements and standards. Well,
not to the hospital level, but where else can we
put the people? Hi gg, how is it that there
is always women who want to work less in a

(01:57:26):
four day week than they can constantly winge about the
apparent gender pay gap. Can't have it both ways. Don't
think that's quite right, lou, But thanks for your input anyway.
A short time ago, Chris Bowen at the Prime Minister's
press conference, had a few things to say about his
new battery policy.

Speaker 35 (01:57:43):
Was in Brisbane that the Prime Minister and I announced
his program during the election campaign. It's great to be
back in Brisbane to acknowledge the fact that now twenty
eight thousand Australian households have installed a cheaper home battery
under the Albanezi government's program announced in April and now
are in August, and the program has been implemented and
is working so successfully across the country.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
April to August is.

Speaker 35 (01:58:06):
A pretty fast turnaround, but that's because Australian households have
embraced this program with such enthusiasm and as the PM said,
right across the suburbs and regions of Australia, twenty eight
thousand cheaper home batteries installed, seven hundred here in Queensland
and mainly in the suburbs.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
That's the one on only Chris bow and the Energy
Minister spreaking his new battery policy and how well it's going.
We have an open invitation of standing invitation to Chris Bowen.
My producer Sam regularly gets in contact with his office
saying we would love the Minister to come on the
program on five Double A and tell us about his
energy program and how well it's going so far. He

(01:58:49):
has not been able to find the time to do it,
but he says Australia is largely on track to meet
its legislative target of reducing emissions by forty three by
twenty thirty. That's despite recent figures that show flatlining progress
in twenty twenty four. So since then we haven't made
a whole lot of progress at all. But minister, please

(01:59:11):
come on the on the show and put us right
on the matter. John, good morning, good.

Speaker 16 (01:59:15):
Morning, how are you good? Thanks, and you turn the radio.

Speaker 22 (01:59:21):
This minister, for whatever it was about soul he was
talking about. I don't agree with what he's saying about
solar panels because I put a I did my homework
and put a thirty four panel twelve point nine kilo
one unit in my house yep. In summer. We're not
paying for power. But then with this battery subsidy, I

(01:59:46):
asked how would it work? And you know, they said,
the battery if I use duct that air conditioning, the
fridge and TV and all that on the last two
three hours. So what's the point.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
And you've got a huge system up there.

Speaker 22 (02:00:00):
I've got a queue. I've got a huge system through summer.
It sits on ten killer once for our pumps out.
And they still said to me, batteries are no good.
So I don't know what they're going on about. I
just don't believe it. I spoke to a lot of people.
The company that I used. He said to me, don't

(02:00:23):
worry about it. It's not worth it. And what we're getting back,
we just had the electricity price to go up. We're
getting back two and a half cents or three cents
per killer one hour back and they're charging us fifty
two cents.

Speaker 16 (02:00:38):
We'll electricic.

Speaker 22 (02:00:39):
How can they say that batteries are good and that
solar is good, because really, at the end of the day,
I think it's not going to be even worth having it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
Yeah, good on your John, thanks for that. Look where you.
Once again, we'll ask Chris Bound to come on the
show and justify his push towards renewables at the rate
he's doing it so far, he said, no, leave for us.

Speaker 36 (02:00:58):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
I didn't wake it in.

Speaker 36 (02:01:01):
I didn't know you did.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Just open with the start.

Speaker 21 (02:01:04):
I know.

Speaker 36 (02:01:04):
No, I'm excited to be here. Hey, coming up half
to one o'clock. So the changing face of our roads
when you were driving your car in the seventies and
the eighties, imagine the cars that were on the road
with you at the time. While we're seeing Holden's Fords, mitsubishis.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
A few little Ford Anglias, and Ford briefs and Zephyr's.

Speaker 36 (02:01:27):
So experts are telling us now, in about ten years time,
you'll see none of those no Holdens, no Fords, no Mitsubishies,
no Suzuki's. End of an era because there is a
wave of cars coming into Australia from China. So in
ten years time, all of those great cars that you
grew up with that you might have been nostouchi abouts

(02:01:48):
and no changes. Over time, Hyundai becomes big and other
brands become big manufacturers. But it's interesting because I know
there are some people who don't like the idea of
anything to do with China sort of overtaking our country.
But our roads are going to be very different in
ten years time.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
So you're talking about the surface on the roads, and.

Speaker 36 (02:02:04):
Well that may very well be the same too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
They weren't the potholes twenty years ago in the roads
that there are today.

Speaker 36 (02:02:10):
But it's interesting if you if you're sort of nostalgic
for those old days of Holden's being made here and
Ford's made in Geelong and mids and bushes down south
that's all over.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Yeah, Well that's that's the look when you look at
the supercars I'm not a petrol head, but I enjoyed
Bathurst and the like and Rocky v.

Speaker 36 (02:02:28):
Dick Johnson.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
Yeah, Fords versus Hold and so forth. Red versus blue,
Blue versus red, Mustang versus Rys Lovers look the same. Whoever,
they're not our cars anymore.

Speaker 36 (02:02:39):
Yeah, so we'll discuss that on the show. Laura Sharon's
going to join us the winner of Mastership. Yeah, we're
in a no lose situation there last night South Australia
va South Australia, so much like a Crows and Poor
Grand Final. Either way you look, we're winners, win a
chicken down and pose one of the judges. So again,
that's a wonder it came to South, nice South, and
I mean we're flat for callum of our own here

(02:03:00):
at five double A on the weekends on the menu.
But we'll speak to Laura so that's a great result
for her and musical legend John Schuman's gonna drop her man,
oh will. He's got to show this weekend at the
GOV where he's doing two sets better than new bit
of the old. So you'll get the new John Schumann
and the Vagabonds, and then you'll get some red Gum.

(02:03:20):
So firsty, that is the music of your ear and
you want to fund night out the gov this weekend,
so John will drop by for a chat after three.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
And only nineteen will feature prominently, No question about that.
I ssume it's the last song he plays. But it
have to be, wouldn't it. I mean, that's it's the Biggie.
It's the Biggie. It's a wonderful.

Speaker 36 (02:03:36):
Amazing, isn't it. And it's like an anthem. It becomes
more than just a song. I mean, Red Gum's got
so many great songs, but I only wonder what it
would be like. I didn't serve in the military. I
don't believe you didn't either know. But to those who
did and those who fought in Vietnam listening to that song,
we're just bring it all back, all of his music,
and all of Red Gum's music too. He actually puts
effort into the lyrics. It's almost like poetry with music.

(02:03:59):
Whereas you hear some of the ms of today. There's
one song called Watermelon Sugar High, and he says that
about fifteen times in the song, there's no kind of
artistic put a bit more effort in like John's a storyteller.

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
Yeah, mind your songs over the years, you can't pick
out either. There was a song, yummy, yummy, yummy, I've
got love in my time, my tummy. That was a
good song. Maybe there's something for your program, the most
stupid lyrics.

Speaker 36 (02:04:23):
Stupidly Maybe I'll do that tomorrow when John's no. Thank you,
We'll see you at one clot.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
Lee Forest after one this afternoon. That's it for today,
Thanks so much for your company. Back tomorrow to do
it again.

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