Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 14 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Welcome to our beautiful, beautiful Thursday morning. We
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(00:42):
the show today, there's a new party in town. Former
One Nation MP Sarah Game has launched fair Go for Australians,
with outspoken athletes City Counselor Henry Davis as her lead
Upper House candidate. We will be speaking with Henry Davis
why he's joined the Fair Go Party. What is the
FAGO party doing, what do they stand for? We'll find

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out about that surprising you. Data shows young Australians are
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report finding most types of cybercrime actually becoming less common,
but rates still remain high, and almost two thirds of
people surveyed say there've been a victim of online crime

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You can remain anonymous. I can understand a lot of
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they've fallen for these scammers, but they are very sophisticated
and very clever. Also today Melissa Hartman, a mum of

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two from Christy Darn's who are just thirty, quite literally died.
She suffered a sudden cardiac arrest flatline for twenty minutes
and survived against all the odds, despite less than a
one percent chance of making it. Now, mel lives with
hypoxic brain injury and is using her experience to challenge
assumptions about disability. She'll join us on the program today.

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more on the show today well. According to Australian Geographic
the twenty twenty five algal bloom in southa strata has
caused an environmental and economic crisis of historic scale, with
over nine thousand documented marine deaths across more than four
hundred species, including sharks, rays, leafy sea dragons and dolphins.

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Experts warn these figures vastly underestimate the true toll, spanning
four and a half thousand kilometers, twice the size of
the act. The bloom has devastated vital ecosystems like sea
grass beds, coral reefs and sponge habitats, prompting comparisons to
the twenty nineteen twenty Black Summer bush fires in terms
of ecological damage that, by the way, was declared a

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natural disaster. Commercial fisheries have been hit hard, with squid
fishing halted and oyster farms temporarily shut down, and many fishes,
especially in regions like Kangaroo Island and Cape Jervis, have
been forced to abandon traditional livelihoods. Despite a combined twenty
eight million dollars in federal and state relief, including wave
license fees and small business grants, many in the industries

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say support is woefully inadequate. Tourism has also suffered. Dead
marine life, washing ashore and discolored waters have driven away
beach goers, while health concerns such as respiratory irritation and
skin rashes have been widely reported. Coastal towns relied on tourism,
including York Peninsula communities, have pleaded for urgent assistance to
prevent long term business closures. The bloom's impact extends beyond economics.

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Emotional distress is widespread among residents and scientists witnessing mass
species dios and ecosystem collapse. The iconic dive site at
the Dredge off Glenog now lies barren, stripped of its
vibrant marine life. There are growing calls to formally declare
the algal bloom and natural disaster, something that federal government
has so far resisted. Critics argue that delays in government

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response have deepened the crisis, with both the Greens and
the Opposition demanding stronger, faster action. Public confidence in seafood
safety has also been shaken, despite government assurances and testing programs. Meanwhile,
biodiversity experts are urging a coordinated long term response, including
improved marine monitoring, greater investment in ocean health, and immediate

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disaster funding to support recovery efforts. In short, the algal
bloom has exposed vulnerabilities in southa Stradia's marine ecosystems and
coastal economy, demanding urgent attention, funding, and leadership to address
both the immediate and long term consequences of the unprecedented
environmental event. And still, Environment Minister Murray What, after another

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fleeting visit, has refused to acknowledge its unnatural disaster. His
ham fisted backsliding word games don't fool anyone. They might
fool himself, though no one with a shred of understanding
of the gravity of the crisis or compassion would call
it less than a natural disaster. Murray What has doubled
down on his no natural disaster stance, and then there's

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his lawyer's apology. I accept that South Australians think that
governments were too slow to respond to this event, and
for that I apologize. Now take notice, he's not apologizing
for reacting slowly. He's apologizing because Sartha Stradon's think he
reacted slowly. Do you know what weasel words mean? Minister?

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Seems like you're the master. I'll be speaking with Murray
wa shortly where he's back safe in his ivory tower
in Canberra after another fleeting visit to Adelaide. Why did
he come here? A lot of people thought, well, he's
come back for a second visit, realizing the error of
his ways. Maybe there'll be more money, more assistant, more guidance,
more federal intervention, nothing at all. Just went down and

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had another look and said, no, no, nothing to see here.
It's not a natural disaster anyway. If you have any
questions for Murray, what I'd like to hear them. He
will be joining me eight double two three double double O.
That will be after nine point thirty this morning. So
much happening on the show. Love to hear from me?
On eight double two three double O double O back soon.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Sixteen past nine five double A on this absolutely delightful
Thursday morning. From the text line, Hi Graham, what by
name and what by nature? Sorry, don't want to be disrespectful.
Sorry isn't that what he's been to? Essay? But this
guy couldn't run cold water? Thank you for that, Bud,
Good morning, gig. Can you get Alexantik on the show
to talk about digital ID coming in December. I'm very

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concerned about the long term ramifications for us all. We
will certainly look at that. And David says, Murray What
only visited because the algill bloom made national news and
in estate media. We're asking the same questions we have
been asking for months. Well, we have Murray What on
the program. I know he made another fleeting visit to
add ladies in Melbourne this morning, but we will talk

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to him. If you have any questions that you'd like
me to put to Murray what give me a call now?
Eight double two three double O double Oh. Well there's
a new party in town. Former one Nation MP Sarahgain
has launched a new political party, Fair Go for Australians
and she's looking for members. Outspoken Adelaide City councilor Henry
Davis is one of them. He joins us now, Henry,
good morning, good morning, Thank you for having me. What

(07:32):
has prompted you to join fear Go for Australians, I think.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Which is a great fit. Sarah is someone who I
really respect, and we've had some work that we've done
together through my work on council and she was looking
at some legislative reform for local government and we've always
just really got on so we see eye to iron
a lot of those issues. My real concern is with
the Liberal Party, which I've recently left, is I just
don't think that they're in a credible position to be

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forming any kind of government, let alone really mounting a
valid opposition. So people turn to and I think that
there is a real lack of accountability for this labor
government at the moment. So it was a natural fit
that Sarah and I teamed up and I'm looking to
run in March.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Would you expect a new party form this late in
the day to have an impact at all at the
next date election? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, you know, nobody knew who Peter Mallan askus was about,
you know, until six months or six weeks before the election.
So I think what really resonates with people is what
your message is and what you stand for and where
you're coming from. And people are looking for a real alternative.
You know, where do you put your vote? There's a
lot of people who don't want to be voting for
the Labor Party. They certainly won't be voting for the Liberals,

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so who can they turn to? And we're looking to
put together a credible opposition party.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
So what does feargo mean to you personally?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, straight up, it means that you know, every Australian
we have abundant resources. You know, we're one of the
world's richest countries, and we still have families who can't
afford to get into a house. We still have skyrocking
electricity prices, even though our renewable sector was meant to
bring that all down. And there are just a regional
health for example, I'm the chairman of McLaren Vale Hospital
and I had to fight to keep that hospital in

(09:06):
community hands and I just really feel like the government
has let us down and it seems like everything is
stacked against us at the moment. So the bureaucracy and
the way that the government's going I think is making
it harder and harder. South strands get ahead and I
want to give them a fair go as a straight
up everyone should have the opportunity to make it in
this country. We are the lucky country, but it doesn't
feel very lucky anymore.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Ramping is obviously going to be a huge issue.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
What are your views, Well, it's exactly right in the
middle of a ramping crisis. You had a local Labor
member to basically encourage a community shut down a hospital
that was taking overflow from Flinders and it's it's unfathomable
to me that the Labor Party and the Liberals wanted
nothing to do with this conversation. So it was up
to the locals to discuss this and sort themselves out,

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and eventually it resulted in a massive Supreme Court case
which was just absolutely outrageous and really divisive for the community.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You have a whole.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Hospital falling over in the middle of a ramping crisis
and there is no accountability and no one's even talking
about it. It's little instances like that that we need
to be fighting for as a credible opposition, and I
feel like the levels are asleep in the whill.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I was just going to ask you that you were
a member of the Liberal Party for about two decades. Yeah,
you're dissatisfied. Now are where do you assess them in
terms of a credible opposition? They have no credibility.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
The problem is and I have been a member for
twenty years and I have worked blood, sweat and tears
in the rain, handing out and it's a party that
I really really want to succeed. But unfortunately the state
team is so divided at the moment. They don't stand together,
they don't know where they're going, and I think they've
lost sight of who they're really fighting for because what

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they're fighting for is pre selection in their own seats
because there's all these challenges coming up. So the issue
is that the Liberal Party requires a strong constitution and
a strong group of members to stand strong, and they've
run that down and now every single member has become vulnerable.
That's what they're focused on, is just getting pre selected.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
No, Henry, we have a very interesting text from Richard.
He said, fear go for Australians. So you won't get
a fear go if you're not on Australian citizen sounds
like selective inclusion to me.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, you know, the Australian Parliament stands to look after
Australians first and foremost. We also have a whole bunch
of people who want to become Australian. So if you
subscribe to our values as a country and you want
to become an Australian, we welcome that. Last night, the
Adelaide Choir sung, I still call Australia home and it's

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we are a land of where people come from from
overseas to form this country. Everyone here is a migrant,
apart from our first First Nations people. So there's absolutely
that journey. But we do need to put our focus
on Australian citizens and make sure our country is safe
and strong first.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
So what's your stance on the current level of immigration.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Oh, we don't have houses to house people. So the
other issue, like the reason why there's been in this
push for immigration, is because our birth rates are falling.
You know, we have one point five children per couple
at the moment, which means we're going backwards. So in
order for our economy not to crash because there's four
elements of our macroeconomy, land, labor, capital and entrepreneurship. Labor

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is a big part of that. So if we don't
want us to go into recession, we have to bring
in people. And that is the issue, is that Australians
don't feel like they can have children anymore, whether it's
climate change anxiety, whether it's the cost of living. They
can't get into a house. We need to look at
that issue and something John Howard was suggesting was a
baby bonus. So that's why immigration is such a problem here.

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But we're not building the houses to house them and
as a result, it's getting even harder for people to
raise families.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, and that is the frustration, is it If we
can't build enough houses to house the people, we've got
the suggestion of bringing in more people. They've got to
live somewhere too, So this is a compounding problem.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
And then people are going to have less children because
they can't get into their own home. So compounding problem
in Australia that we're not really addressing. And it's got
to be you can't scare people to death over climate change.
Like I've spoken to a lot of colleagues and people

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from our university days who are literally saying that they
won't they don't want to have children because they don't
want to add to a climate change problem that people
are really terrified and paralyzed by it, and I think
people underestimate the message and damage that this is having
to cause. We need to create a safe society where
we can raise families and then we wouldn't need this
mass immigration to then ensure that we don't go into

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a recession, because if we go into recession, we'll lose
all our capital and then the country will collapse. So
we need to get back to looking after our families
and have the focus remain on them, not fringe squeaky
wheel groups.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Do you think the issue of climate change is being overstated.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'm very pleased to say that the amount of carbon
emissions as a globe has now plateau, and as a
globe we're starting to reduce those club those carbon emissions.
So the thing is, like, you know, we need to
have a balanced view to this. We can't marta as
ourselves as a state, which is exactly what we've done
here in South Australia. We've switched to wind and solar

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thinking that would be cheaper because they bid negative thousand
dollars a Mega what hour in the market, and then
gas comes in and charges one hundred and sixty dollars
an hour o Mega what hour and it's whoever BID's
last gets that gets that price. So we're creating these
massive market distortions and it's really really hitting people's wallet
and then they can't start families and they can't get ahead.
So climate change has been this and I've seen it

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on Council. Every single policy, no matter what it is,
now somehow relates back to climate change, and that is
just ridiculous and I'm sick of it.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, well, I think people are, you know, philosophically think yeah, well,
let's do what we can regarding climate change. But the
situation hip pocket is getting worse and a lot of
people are sheating at home to our mad headline Russians
to renewables.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Well, it's wild because all you're doing, you know, you've
got brown coal and black hole being pumped out by
the Eastern States. So if you're a small business, and
particularly like I've got a friend who's just start up
a three D printing business, right and that could be
a very very large scale metal three D printing business.
Where are they going to set up It's not going
to be in South Australia because of the energy prices.
They're going to move to the Eastern States. And so

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again we're penalizing ourselves by the way that this market
has been set up and that doesn't give you a
fair go and that's what this party was established to
fight for.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
So how do you respond to critics who label a
new party as right wing? What's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I mean the traditional conservative values. I mean that's
where a lot of Australians sit and they need a
strong voice. The Liberal Party is in complete chaos and
we stand by those values of having strong families. There's
a big pushback against this woke ideology, swelling of bureaucracies
that we really want to and sure is curtailed then

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really focused on actual outcomes, not pleasantries. But it comes
back to looking after people and we just really don't
do that. And I've seen that, you know in our parklands,
for example, like Edwards Park was meant to be a
temporary solution from people coming off country to seek medical help.
Now that's going to be essentially a permanent solution. The
state government has no empathy whatsoever. They created the voice

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and then they let people just you know, squander, and
so there's this real misalignment between looking after people and
I think that I can do a much better job
of pushing the Labor government to have better outcomes for
South Australians.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
On the subject of the South Stradian Voice to Parliament,
do you support it?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Absolutely not. The nation had a clear and this is
a problem is Malanaskis ran to virtue signal to the
entire nation, probably when the polling was good. But when
people looked at this, they don't fundamentally believe that you
should have a separate set of rights, particularly as a
citizen and something so important as our democracy, that people
should have a separate set of right based on their

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ethnicity and their skin their skin color. To me, that
is fundamentally racist and it creates a massive divide. And
the Australian people wholeheartily rejected that divisive nature. So I
don't stand against the Voice. It's produced no outcomes. You know,
they don't care about the people living in Edwards Park
who are coming down for medical treum, and they're not

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looking after them and to me this is just a
pointless virtue signaling outcome, whereas you know, rather a scrap
the voice and put what the department is asking for
to solve the Edwards Park solution because we have First
Nations people living all around our parklands and camping there.
I was at a fire on Tuesday night and if
that had been in summer, that could have been quite disastrous.

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We're not looking after these people and to me, all
the state government has done is just use it as
a way to plicate, you know, and virtue signal without
any outcomes.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Recent elections have suggested that people are losing faith in
the major parties. The major parties vote has dipped at
every election in the last fifteen or twenty years or so.
As a minor party, as a new party, fair go
for Australians. Do you think you can draw on those
people who are disenchanted and feel disenfranchised.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, absolutely, because I think the major parties have really
started to lose sight of what they stand for. I
actually think it's affecting the Labor Party less because the
Greens vote has really absorbed a lot of the loss
from Labor, but the Liberal Party has just become structurally
weakened to a point where it can no longer function.

(18:31):
And I am one of the biggest Liberal Party supporters
in terms of their values, but the problem is that
the membership just aren't there. And I've been a donor
and I've been to these things and I've tried to
get some action from these MPs, but they just do
not act. And so people are looking for a real
alternative to the Liberal Party, and I think that we
can at least show the way and have some confidence

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back and bring some more confidence back into this debate.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
You're running for fear Go for Australians as an upper candidate.
Where does that leave you as an Adelaide City councilor
I should be fine.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I'll continue to serve on the Adelaide City Council, work
with my colleagues, but it probably about a month or
so before the election, I'll take a leave of absence.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Henry, thanks for coming in today.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
So what do you think, folks, if you've got to comment?
The new party Fairgo for ol Stradens established by former
One Nation MP Serra Game and her first Upper House
or lead Upper House candidate is Sir Henry Davis, who's
a councilor the Adelaide City Council who joined us this morning,
give us your thoughts eight double two three double O doublow.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Twenty eight minutes to ten five double A on Thursday morning. Well,
the handling of South Australia's algil bloom crisis has been
nothing short of a disgrace, with the Premier Peter Malaskers
and Federal Environment Minister Murray What accused of falling asleep
at the wheel after more than four months of devastation
to our coast line and shellfish industry, not to mention
the untold tens of thousands of dead marine life. The

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federal government finally coughed up fourteen million dollars as a
rescue package, but only after public pressure and that pressure
had reached boiling point, and that was matched by fourteen
million dollars from the state Minister Murray What joins me now, Minister.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Good morning, Hi Graham, good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Do you admit now that you made a mistake in
not taking the outbreak seriously and sooner?

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Well, as I've said before, I can absolutely understand the
frustration and the level of concern among South Australians about
the Alba bloom, and the fact that it continues much
longer than anyone expected it would. So I've accepted the
criticism that people have made around my decisions and efforts

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on this.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
So you know what you should have acted sooner?

Speaker 6 (20:50):
Well?

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Well, what I have said is that while I may
not have been visible in the way that people would
have liked me to have been, we have been working
for quite some time with the South Australian Government around
what was needed to help manage this event and to
support those being impacted. It's over three weeks now since
we announced our share of that twenty eight million dollar

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funding package, and that came after a considerable period of
time working with the South Australian Government to determine what
support was needed.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
When did you win? My first approach by the South
Australian government for help.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
I began talking with Susan Close, the South Australian Minister,
very soon after I became the Environment Minister, which was
mid May, so we've been talking about this for quite
some time. I realized the event has been going alonger
than that, but I took on this role in around
mid May, and very soon after that we started speaking
about the impact it was having. As I say, I

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think the expectation was including among the scientists advising government,
that the event was likely to end much sooner than
it has. If you look at what's happened overseas around
these sorts of blooms, they have intended to go this long.
So I think everyone has been surprised by how long
this has gone on. And of course as it has
gone on longer, we've needed to adjust government responses. So

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that's why we announced that funding package. It's why we've
now made a weather forecasting tool run by the Bureau
of Meteorology available for the public. And also, as you
would have seen yesterday, we've now taken our third set
of actions, which is to ask the Threatened Species Committee
to consider assessing the level of marine damage.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
This all should have been done months ago.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Look, as I say, I accept that people have views
about that, Graham, And so what.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
You're saying, you accept that people have views about it,
do you accept that you should have reacted sooner?

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Well, As I say, Graham, I understand the frustration that
people know.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I know you understand the frustration, but do you accept
that you should have acted sooner?

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Well, I've already talked about this about this week, Graham,
and I.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Sh you you don't accept you.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I recognize that you, as an individual had been called
for action for quite some time. And what I'm saying
to you is that while we may not have been
visibly seen to be working on this, we were regularly
working and have been for some time with the South
Australian Government about what was needed.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Isn't it true that the Premier only approached you in
late July about it?

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Look, I don't have the date as to which the
Premier approached me about it.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
First of John, I believe it was Susan.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Close as the Deputy Premier and the Minister of the
Environment obviously was managing this event, and we had been
speaking about it regularly about the type of support that
was needed. And what that meant was that when we
received the request from the South Australian Government, we turned
it around within twenty four hours. And that's because we'd
made the taken the time to work with South Australia
around what was required. That funding is now flowing. We'll

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be investing through that package more in science, in business
support and cleaning.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
Up the beaches.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
I'll leave the others to express their views about the
some wrongs of it, but my focus has been on
delivering action to help South Australia through this event.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Why do you continue to refuse to classify the bloom
as a natural disaster?

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Well, for starters, Graham, That's actually not a decision I
can make as the Minister for Environment. But who makes
that decision that that is ultimately made?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well?

Speaker 5 (24:23):
That that are those sorts of decisions ultimately made by
the Emergency manage Minister, which is a portfolio I used
to hold.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
But who holds that now?

Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's Christy McBain is now. But I support her her
position and I support the government's position, which is.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Would you recommend to her that it should be a
natural disaster? Well, because you've been here and you've seen
it firsthand.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, I have, and there's no doubt about the seriousness
of this event Graham. But can I respectfully ask why
it is that you are seeking a declaration because my
impression from speaking to South Australians is that the reason
that PEO people want this declaration made is because they
think that's the way that they'll get federal funding. We
are delivering federal funding. We're already delivering fourteen million as

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part of that twenty eight million dollar package.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's been suggested that's a drop in the ocean to
what's really needed.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Well, not all of that funding has been used up
until our Graham. We're investing in the science through that
businesses are being supported and there's more funding available there
for businesses to access if they want to and if
they qualify for that funding. We've said that we will
consider any further request that South Australia makes of us,
and we couldn't be working more closely with the South

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Australian government on this. So for those who feel that
a declaration of some kind is required to trigger federal funding,
that's not the case. We've made that funding available just
as we make funding available for droughts. The drought that
South Australia is going through at the moment isn't categorized
as a natural disaster because like the alble bloom, it's

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a long running event rather than a quick event like
a cyclone or a flood or a fire. But what
we focused on is not worrying too much about what
things are called, what declarations are made, but what sort
of funding is available and made available, and that's what
we've managed to do.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's a common health belief and no one has been
able to refute it that if this disaster happened on
Bondli Beach on the Gold Coast, on the Sunshine Coast,
in Port Phillip Bay, it would already be a major
national international story and declared a natural disaster.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
And again I understand that that's the view of South
Australian So I've heard that very clearly.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
You don't share that of you.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Well, what I share is a desire for action to
help support people who are being impacted by this and
to support the marine environment, and that's what we've done.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
You know.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I will leave it to others to make their decisions
about how this compares to other events in other states.
My focus has been for quite some time delivering the
support South Australia needs and working with the South Australian government,
and that's what we've done, and that's what we'king contenue
to do.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
A lot of people thought your second visit here was
to make another donation or another contribution. Why did you
come a second.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Time, Well, I came a second time, Graham, because I
wanted to continue building my understanding of the event as
it's unfolding. We understand that this event doesn't sort of
stay static, and that there were continued needs and continued impacts.
And I'll be back again next week next week with
the Prime Minister because we want to continue understanding the

(27:29):
development of this. So yesterday I was really thoroughly briefed
by scientists at the South Australian Government Research Institute. We
obviously went on water to inspect the elder bloom and
to take water samples to continue building that understanding. And
also yesterday afternoon I had a very productive roundtable over
a couple of hours with representatives of businesses who are impacted, councils,

(27:52):
environment groups, again to hear directly from people about what
was required. We did make that announcement that I had
personally asked the Threatened Species Committee, the committee of experts
who looks at these things, to determine what impact this
event has had on marine life and what recommendations they
have to make. But again I repeat the point that

(28:14):
not all of the money that we've already provided has
been used and it's available for people to keep accessing.
So there's a substantial amount of money on the table
by both the federal government and the state government, and
that money remains available for people to access.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
We don't know if there will be an end to
this algle bloom. It could be here with us forever
there was hope that it would go away. We need
to find out what's causing it and how to stop it.
Is the CSI are involved. Who is looking at the
problem at the moment.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Look, the primary research on this gram is being conducted
through the South Australian government. There SARTI, the South Astralian
Research and Development Institute, has some excellent scientists who are
working at this and examining this, obviously providing support through
federal agencies to that effort, but it's lot the locally

(29:05):
based scientists who have the prime primary role in examining
the impacts. But that will now change, of course, now
that we've also asked for Threatened Species to Committee to
have a look at it. That's a new step that
we've taken. But yeah, it's been primarily led out of
South Australia.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Do you acknowledge that your your slow response has shaken
public confidence in your leadership as Environment Minister Again, Graham.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
I'll leave it to other people to draw their make
their own views about that. What I'm focused on is
supporting South Australia, delivering the funding, delivering the other support
that's required, and I'll leave the commentary to others.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Minister Murray, what thank you for your time today. Environment
Minister Murray Watts. No apology forthcoming. They're doing the best
they can. What are your thoughts? I love to hear them, Mate,
double two three, double o double the number Phil good morning.

Speaker 8 (29:54):
Good morning Graham. I'm no expert at this, but I
have worked for the tech program, the Threatened Endangered for
Protective Species and rub shoulders with a lot of CSIRO scientists,
including my sister in law. Making reference as the Minister
just did to these outbreaks in California and in the

(30:15):
Cayman Islands has no reference to our golfs, the Golf
of Saint Vincent, the Spencer Golf and the Gulf of
Mexico or Golf of America is very unique. We have
dodge tides, a tide where there is very little movement,
thus being no oxygen or low oxygen levels. And this

(30:37):
is prevalent in Port Lincoln. When the dodge tides are about,
they do not feed the tuna because tuna need large
amounts of oxygen and they start burning a lot of
oxygen when they begin feeding. So they won't feed the
tuna during dodge tide because of that fact. Now, this
is very unique to our state, and comparisons to oversees
outbreaks not relevant.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, that's an interesting point you make. I mean, we're
clutching at stores at the moment, obviously, aren't we because
we don't know. But you make a really good point
about the waterway that is golf Saint Vincent and Vincent's golf,
dodge tides and the like. It's a perfect cocktail for
obviously breeding of algal blooms. Thank you. If you call
Phil Brad at One Tree Hill, could I Brad?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (31:21):
Mine Grahama. Yeah, it's a pretty minister. What has gone?
I just wanted to ask him his question directly unlock
a lot of other people. I'm you know, you're listening
to political talk and then in the you can't see
the woods for the trees and the trees for the wood.
I got. I'm just a simple boater. Nothing flash. All

(31:45):
I wanted from him just an answer. All I wanted
was I I wouldn't get it a yes or no,
yes or no? Do you believe this is a national strategy,
strateg trategy or well?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
He effectively said it isn't. He handled it, but it's
not his decision to make.

Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah, but you know he hides behind the pretty coach,
so the woman who makes those decisions. All I wanted
from him was it definitive yes or no, in between,
no gray areas, nothing, Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well I pushed him on that three on three occasions, Brandon,
he was never going to say yes or no. Thanks
for you called Julie, good morning.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
Good morning, Graham.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I hope you're well, very well, thank you.

Speaker 11 (32:28):
That's good, Senator.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
What isn't an insignificant arrogant little man who is treating
us like fools?

Speaker 11 (32:39):
He obviously is.

Speaker 10 (32:41):
You know, I feel I got some little pawky little
pawky's about when he was notified about such things.

Speaker 11 (32:47):
And I still think the lister closed and no announced
us a man an Auscus are still very much to
blame as well.

Speaker 10 (32:54):
I think that's taken their eye off the ball.

Speaker 11 (32:57):
She's a disaster.

Speaker 10 (32:58):
It doesn't matter what thought bolo that woman gets to
remember when she was in charge of the space.

Speaker 12 (33:03):
That's a disaster.

Speaker 13 (33:05):
Now.

Speaker 11 (33:06):
I know as Australia we have to look after our
neighbors and other countries. But only I heard from where
I read somewhere, because I've always got something gone or
listening to something. We have spent five billion or are
spending five billion dollars in overseas aids Now, don't you

(33:27):
think it's time we started looking after this country because.

Speaker 10 (33:31):
This is very quickly getting out of hands. And I
hope when my friend mister Watts sits down to Heavy's
writing and chips the second guesses of what waters that
may have come out of. So yeah, you know, I
just think if you can spend five billion dollars for
overseas AID, I know the old saying Graham.

Speaker 12 (33:53):
Charity, Julie, and I don't think they.

Speaker 11 (33:57):
Are looking after us.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Thank you for call Bill, good morning.

Speaker 14 (34:00):
HM got a Graham?

Speaker 15 (34:01):
Are you going like it?

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Through?

Speaker 15 (34:03):
Politician? He never gave you a proper ants or a
proper response.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wriggled like a worm on a hook.

Speaker 15 (34:09):
Yeah, it's week weekst bater mate. I like Peter Melanowskis.
But it's dead right. If this happened in Bondai Beach,
it's clear to national disaster. Now this is this could
hurt our export industry throughout the whole world. Now, you know,
we we're known for our fishing industry. We're known for

(34:29):
our you know, shell fish everything in South Australia and
known as one of the best fishing spots in the world.
And yet people can't you know, do anything about it.
I like Peter and Peter Melanowskis, but we voted, we
voted labor in the federal and unfortunately it's going to

(34:51):
come back to bite its because, like you said, if
it was in the Bonday Beach, that would have been
fixed up straight away.

Speaker 16 (34:56):
Mate.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, good on your bill. Thanks for that. And part
of the issue is that we we have a labor
government in Canberra and we have a labor government in
South Australia. If it had been a coalition government in Canberra,
Peter Mellanaskus would have been shouting from the rooftops. He
would have been screaming and shouting saying, come on, Feds,
Declara a natural disaster, give us some money, take action.

(35:18):
But because labor party cozy relationship. He put the party
first eight double two three double double back shortly.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Five Double A. Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Eight minutes to ten on five double A. After our
discussion with Environment Minister Murray Watt, who made another fleeting
visit to Adelaide, we're continuing to talk about the algal
bloom crisis. Will take some more calls. In a moment
this morning on Breakfast with the Boys' Environment Minister Susan
Close spoke about the alga bloom and was asked if

(35:50):
she was confident it would go away anytime soon.

Speaker 17 (35:53):
I wouldn't say confident that it's going to go away
before summer. In fact, as always in government, you have
to plan for the worst case scenario so that you're
not caught short. And we are absolutely planning for it
to be here so that we're ready. There's still some hope,
you know, some discussion amongst the scientists that nature balances,
so at some point it will stop even where they

(36:15):
have recurring There's a couple of places in the world
that have recurring algo blooms, but there are pauses between them,
so it will break up. It's just a question of when.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
And Vincentasia with his response to the government. This microphone
works better, doesn't it. Vincentasia was on breakfast and he
gave his response to the government's reaction to the bloom.

Speaker 18 (36:39):
Labor seems to be more about saving face than actually
saving the environment. The Prime Minister's quick to announce that
he's coming here next week. Well that's one thing, but
it seems to be five months after the actual emergency
has started. Labor has been completely asleep at the will here.
What they need to do is they need to declare
it as the national emergency that it is.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Vincentazia and Susan Lee, the federal opposition leader, came to
see firsthand the extent of the uggle bloom crisis.

Speaker 19 (37:07):
It should already have been declared a natural disaster and
all of the help that is needed should flow now.
When I hear wizzle words from Murray World about can
we fit it into a criteria? What the hell, Murray what?
Stop worrying about your criteria in Canberra. Start worrying about
these communities and just deliver a program that supports them.
You are the government, You have the power.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Susan Lee with some pretty strong comments there. Terry Good morning,
Good morning, Graham.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
This just comes to more attention. I just thought about something.
Murray wat obviously couldn't give a toss a bit or nothing,
especially in seat of Australia by the sound of his comments.
But what I wanted to remind him was Elbow gave
sixty million dollars over ten years. So that six hundred
million for a rugby shirt.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Can you guinea exactly now?

Speaker 7 (37:55):
Now?

Speaker 6 (37:55):
I think if people can equate to that one, work
that one out and sort of say, well, do you
think the rugby shirt's worth more than South.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Australia's hard to argue against that point, Terry, it certainly is.
Thank thank you, thank for your comment. Out to Hamley Bridge, Gary,
Good morning, good thanks been around.

Speaker 9 (38:17):
For seventy two years, lived in South Australia a long time.
I'm about to get held down what I'm going to say.
Thirteen desalven Nation plants in South Australia. Three of them
are currently on because of the drought stand back all
Lon Sale, whichever is one of kangaro is another one on.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
The way stand back. It's not operating at one hundred
percent anymore. That was shut or phase down or not
shut off. But phase down a couple of money around here.

Speaker 9 (38:45):
Yeah, I know because of the bloom. I can tell
you now, this amount of salt is coming out of there, mate,
it's we're producing what they call the dead sea.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah. Well look did you hit on Channel seven? They
had a sea sick special in the Premier that and said,
in fact, the algal bloom doesn't respond and in fact
it responds negatively to extra saline.

Speaker 9 (39:07):
Of course it does, but that's what they say. Do
you believe the government? I don't believe the government. The
fact is out there. It's a lot of bloody salt
in that waters, and more so than the normal. And
the other point is they're not declaring it a national disaster.
Are they a natural disaster? Are they? Because it's not
a natural one, it's a man made one. As I said,
I'm going to get held down for this. But when

(39:28):
you've got desalination plants pumping into that ocean the way
it is, we're causing the problem.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, thanks for that, Derek. Look, yeah, now I appreciate
your input. And although the Premiere has discounted it, I think,
you know, all bets are off. We should be looking
at absolutely every possible aspect of what could be causing this.
Is it a cocktail of things. Is it extra saline
in the water. Is it the output of the murray
and all the nutrients that come out from all the
fertilizer that's pumped on the murray, the bulk of it

(39:57):
from New South Wales and Victoria, but southa Swania producers
also use fertilizer and it ends up out in the
in the ocean, and that has that cocktail effect with
the water warmer than normal, causes this problem. Perhaps there's
not been enough investigation into it. This is what Premier
Peter Malanaskus had to say about the impact of the

(40:17):
detail plant.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
In fact, just on the detail plant.

Speaker 20 (40:19):
It's interesting the science tells us that the Coerniam Mickey moytoy,
the algae performs less well as the salinity goes up.
So if the theory is that the detail plant is
increasing slinity in our salinity in our water and that's
causing the algal bloom, the office that is in fact true.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So these myths, these.

Speaker 20 (40:38):
Are genuine concerns that people raise, but they are just
myths and it's important that every decision maker focuses on
the science and the facts, because that will inform good
judgment going forward.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
That's the premiere. Peter malinaskis dismissing the impact of the
detail plant when it comes to the algal bloom. But
this is unpreceleted. We just don't know about this. And
we talk of algall blooms in other parts of the world,
they're not the same as this one, and the environment
is different. The Gulf of Saint Vincent is very different
to other waterways where there are algall blooms. So what

(41:11):
is the difference here? And you can't discount anything. Everything
has to be considered and we need a full and
thorough investigation. John says Graham. I'm equally sickened by the
politicians as I am by this plague, both the federal
and our local MPs. Close who earlier this morning said
of mister Watt quote, he's a lovely guy. I had
a coffee with him recently, demonstrating the near incestuous relationship

(41:33):
between governments, how poorly we are governed by these low
caliber people. Thank you for that, John. Look, I've spoken
to Murray Wad on a number of occasions. He's a
pretty good bloke. I think He's a likable guy, but
that doesn't make you an efficient and an effective person
in a position of responsibility. He has dropped the ball
on this one, and dropped it from a great height.

(41:54):
Good morning, Graham. The Algall bloom is not a natural disaster.
It is as you stated, it is man made, the
looting aftermath of the Murray flood and fertilizers including phosphorus,
fire retardant, et cetera. Thank you for that, Marty. Yeah,
we're probably playing somatics our natural disaster, national disaster. It
is a disaster of epic proportions, no question about that.

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to ring well. New data shows young Australians are more
likely than older people to be abused, harassed or scammed online.
The Institute of Criminology has released a new report finding
most types of cybercrime are becoming less common, but the

(45:03):
rates remain high. Let's find out more about it from
Anthony Morgan, research manager at the Australia Institute of Criminology.
Anthony good morning to you.

Speaker 23 (45:12):
Morning Graham.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Were you surprised by the outcome of the report.

Speaker 23 (45:16):
Look, I think we're always surprised when we see how
high the prevalence of cybercrime is in the Australian community.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
This is the.

Speaker 23 (45:22):
Second time we've published a report from our Australian Cybercrime Survey.
As you said, there's some positive signs in terms of
some decreases, but the overall rates of victimization remain high.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Now, the surprising thing to me was that young people
seem to be caught up in scams more than older
people because the feedback we get as older people who
are not so savvy and tech savvy and fay with
what's going on in a digital world get caught up,
but young people are bearing the brunt of it at
a team appears.

Speaker 23 (45:52):
Yeah, that's Look, that's something it always surprises people, I
think because we're surveying the wider community, we see who's
more likely to fall victim and it has a lot
to do with people's online behavior. So younger Australians are
spending a lot more time online than perhaps their older counterparts.
Their entire life is almost built online, so their vulnerability
to being exploited is greater as a consequence of that.

(46:14):
The only point I'd make is we always differentiate between
the prevalence of victimization, so how often you fall victim
and then the consequences of that, So it could be
a very different experience for older Australians.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
What is the tactic going forward in this area? Because
the cyber criminals are becoming more sophisticated. As soon as
we find a way to intercept and stop them in
one area, they bob up in another. What is the
long term plan or in fact goal, could we ever
stamp out cyber crime?

Speaker 6 (46:43):
Look, I do I.

Speaker 23 (46:45):
Think we're never going to get it down to zero.
I think that's the reality of all crime. But I
do think there's a lot of room for improvement. I mean,
everybody has a responsibility for preventing and reducing cybercome. It
doesn't just rest with online Australians. You know, government has
a responsibility, private business and platform owners, online companies, they
will have a responsibility. But there's some simple things that

(47:05):
Australians can do and which our report shows they're not
currently doing at the levels we'd like to see to
protect themselves online. So using secure passwords, multi factor authentication,
updating your security software. Those sorts of things can really
help to protect you online.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I guess it's a case of you know, we've being
familiar with it for ages. Yes, passwords, multifaceted and or
authenticating your password, and you have to do it this
way and that way. People are just sort of worldware
and say, look, you know, I've been through all this before.
But basically what you're suggesting, if we don't do these things,
we leave ourselves wide open.

Speaker 23 (47:41):
Absolutely. You know, I have conversations with people in my
life who I know continue to remind them that, you know,
these are simple but effective strategies, and encourage them to
do it because it can be an inconvenience. We totally
understand it could be an inconvenience to have multiple passwords,
to have to try and remember them all and to
keep updates in software.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
But it's really.

Speaker 23 (48:01):
Important that people take these steps because that's what can
help them prevent cybercrime and becoming a victim and experiencing
the negative consequences.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Is it possible that the numbers on those impacted by
cybercrime is just the tip of the iceberg, Because a
lot of people feel embarrassed and humiliated when they're caught
out and parted with their hard earned money.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (48:22):
Look, there's a few things in our report that I
think are really interesting about that. So one is we
show that what we see in official data is probably
only ten percent of the total amount of cybercrime that
people in the community experiencing. The other thing that came
through from our report is that people experience harms beyond
their financial losses. And one of the harms that we

(48:44):
saw increased this year concerningly is the number of people
who said they are embarrassed or that their reputation was damaged.
So there's still this stigma associated with falling victims to
an online crime, and it stops people from reporting. So
it's really important that people understand that it's the same
as any other people are. You know, victims are not
to blame. Scammers, as you said, are really clever and

(49:05):
increasingly so, and it's important that people report when they
do fall victim.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
You talk about high risk behaviors among those victims. What
are these high risk behaviors and how can they be addressed?

Speaker 23 (49:19):
Yeah, so's I will always point to three things that
people can stop doing and which we know from our
research will if they continue to do then will increase
the likelis that they'll fall victim. One of those is
sharing passwords with other people, another is using free public
Wi Fi for things like financial transactions, and the other
is keeping their passwords secure as well, so not recording

(49:46):
them in a place where people might otherwise discover those passwords.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
You noted that fewer people that are using online safety
strategies over the past year or two. Why does that say.

Speaker 23 (49:59):
Look really hard to say. One of the things that
we found this year, and keeping in mind the survey
was from twenty twenty four, is that there was a
big decrease in data breaches. And that's because in twenty
twenty three weeks or the Medibank optis data breaches. I
think because there were a few people who are experiencing
data breaches, it's possible that people weren't finding that they

(50:20):
needed to respond by putting in safety strategies so that
they didn't fall victim. If you are targeted in a
data breach, you're more likely to be a victim of
other types of cybercrime, so it's really important that you
respond when that occurs. So that's one possible explanation.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
It could be that.

Speaker 23 (50:34):
People are also just becoming a little bit too casual
about their online safety and not remembering to keep these things,
these strategies updated.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Is the government investing enough in digital literacy? Are they?
Are they keeping ahead of the game.

Speaker 23 (50:51):
Look, I think it's still very much an improving and
emerging response. There's a lot happening under the certain out
of the Cornworth govern Cybersecurity Strategy to help improve people's
online safety and digital literacy. There's been a big focus,
for example, on smaller medium businesses. You know, it's ninety
nine percent of businesses a smaller medium business and they're

(51:12):
more vulnerable to cybercrime. There's been a huge investment in
trying to protect smaller medium businesses and positively, we saw
a decrease in fraud and scams this year, so it's
possible that some of that investment is actually paying dividends.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Finally, Adam, just a word of advice to people. What
steps can people take immediately to protect their cybersecurity.

Speaker 23 (51:34):
Look, if people to do anything right now, it's go
and install that security update on their phone that they
keep getting bothered with the notifications. Install and talk to
people around you if you need advice on what to
do so you know, there's some really simple stuff. Visit
there's an act Now Stay Secure website that has some

(51:56):
really simple strategies. But look, don't ignore you prompts the
multi factor authentication. You have to send it, you know,
the password to your phone, or don't ignore the prompts
to make your password a little bit stronger.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Than It's annoying though, Anthony, when you're in a rush
to do something, I know, I know, I know we
need it and we need to do it. But when
you're a rush to do something multi factor authentication, you go, oh,
you've got to be killing me.

Speaker 23 (52:19):
I understand. I totally appreciate it. It is one of
those things and I think that's why people don't do it.
But you know, if you can, if you can implement
those those multifactor authentication, particularly on things like your banking
and those other kind of really vulnerable parts of your
online life, that's absolutely critical.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Anthony, Thanks so much for your time today. Anthony Morgan,
research manager of the Australia Institute of Criminology, surprising new
data showing young old Stralians are more likely than older
people to be abused harassed or scammed online. And we
have an open invitation to all of you. If you've
been scammed or aware of a scam that's happening, let
us know. Come on here and tell us or text us,

(53:00):
let us know, because the more people know, the more
people are aware of a scam, the less likely we
are to be caught. Back soon five double A Mornings
with Gram Goodings, twenty past ten on a delightful Thursday morning.
Hope we find you well. Be nice to get out
in the sun wunder today? Is that what you're doing?
Good luck to you. Tell us what you're doing? A
double two three double double Steve. You like to talk

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about scams?

Speaker 24 (53:23):
Yes, we were very very fortunate to abort two scams
about about a month ago, though both within a week,
and they were to two different people in our little
company that we've got and on both occasions myself and
one of the other employees had email the invoices for
large pieces of equipment, like one of them over a

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million dollars and if the infuses work were intercepted and
forward on a gain to the person that we sent
it to, but with a tiny change the email addrestor
came from and it looks like it was coming from us,
and they had changed the bank account details on the

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invoices and both times it was based Manhattan Bank in
New York and the gifts they had paid it if
we wouldn't have got our money back.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Wow, you've got to be so so careful, Steve.

Speaker 24 (54:21):
Well what we what? We had an IT security expert
come in and he has set up now a two
facts that authentication for.

Speaker 9 (54:28):
Any any.

Speaker 24 (54:31):
Emails that we send out. When the customer gets it,
we have to authorize it and before they pay, we
get them to call us and verbally confirmed that the
bank details over the phone before they pay it.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Well, it's crazy what you have to do, Steve, but
this is this is the world we're living.

Speaker 12 (54:50):
Yeah, we don't know how they do.

Speaker 24 (54:51):
It, but we've put steps in place to stop it happening.

Speaker 8 (54:55):
Again.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Good on you see you. Thanks for acquainting us of that. Yeah,
you've this too. The authentication annoying and all as it is,
it is necessary. Nigel, you want to talk about scams too?

Speaker 25 (55:07):
Yeah, Hi, Graham, thanks for taking my call. I just
wanted to you asked about scams. My wife recently passed.

Speaker 26 (55:14):
Away and the day of her funeral.

Speaker 25 (55:18):
On Facebook.

Speaker 6 (55:19):
There were three.

Speaker 25 (55:21):
I guess what do they call like friend requests that
went out to all our friends saying if you want
to see the service on a live stream, you have
to like friend them and follow these links. And some
people did. They ask for money, and it was infuriating
because on the day if you're I had to put
a message out people there is no live stream.

Speaker 8 (55:40):
This is a scam.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
How insensitive. That's disgraceful.

Speaker 25 (55:44):
These people have no morals. So I just want people
to be like, be so careful.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
No, that's that's great advice, Nigel, thanks for telling us. Look,
they come at you from all different angles, and the
immediate thing is, no matter what it is with the
social media or emails or whatever, your immediate reaction should
be not to trust. You'll have to, you know, if
there's any element of data at all, assume that it's
a scam, because I find that doing that, Like you

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get a phone call out of the blue and you
think this is a scam. If it's something serious, they'll
ring again, But the scammers usually don't. Ben good morning,
Oh okay, Graham, how are you good? Thanks?

Speaker 27 (56:25):
Good Graham was just to comment I think I heard
you say yesterday about the illegal tobacco trade. Yeah, and
it was in relation I thought I heard you say,
and forgive the about wrong that it was illegal for
people to buy a llegal tobacco.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't know that I use those words. It's illegal
to sell it, definitely.

Speaker 27 (56:48):
Yes, Okay, I get it that it's illegal to sell it. Yeah,
but it's obviously not illegal to buy the products because
at the end of the day, how do I know
that Will Words have paid the tax on eggs from
Botswan or whatever?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah? I think you're right there. No one has ever
been fined or charged for possessing illegal cigarettes unless they're
trying to sell them.

Speaker 27 (57:12):
Yes, correct, So whilst I get it it's a illegal
and and by the way, is it legal to sell
them or is it legal that they haven't paid the
tax on them?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Well, you've got me there, Ben, I don't know, but whatever.
At the moment that the illicit tobacco war is huge,
the government is losing the battle. They're losing billions of
dollars in taxation and it's it's a battle they're not winning.
Thanks for call, John, Good morning.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
Good morning man. Just swing Viterer between or have been
a swing viter between the two major parties, both Labor
and Liberal. The years I've voted for both more than
a handful of times. I've just set up with all
political parties to be honest. I mean, I don't think
they're too many honest politicians are or making except even
gone Ad because he put his what names on the

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line with the goods and service stacked too those easy as.
When he did change his mind, he said, look, if
I get reelected, this is what I'll do. Very go there.
But I think Tony was one of the worst prime ministers.
The way they what they're twenty four teen budget was
a disgrace, and anybody's got any idea that they just
go back and have a look at it. And also

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with fat I'm not I'm not a one nation bank
because I think they're boarding on racist and I'm not
a Grain because i think they're too radical. So i
don't know where I'm going to part my vote in
the teager.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
What sort of job do you think? Albo is doing.

Speaker 7 (58:42):
Better better than did before. I did not vote for
him in twenty two. I did vote in this time
because I wasn't that fan, but I thought.

Speaker 8 (58:54):
Just with.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
He wasn't cross detail on the previous leading up to
He does not know the cash rate, he does not
know the unemployment rate. But it's better across. They down
more than more than he's been in power. I think
the worst part of the current government is Chris Bowen.
He's as Grace's disgrace. But I don't I don't just

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up with all politicians. I know you're mighty fi bubble.
You don't lie to ards. Please just do not lie
to us. We stay through it. People take the voting seriously.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Know when you're lying pot on your john. Yet, look,
people aren't naive anymore. I think politicians they are smoothing
you and you know, weasel words and so forth, and
the salad sandwich words. We're seeing all through that now
and Chris Bowen is the master of that. And despite
continual requests, he refuses to come on the show. Chris,
good morning, Good morning, Grains. You want to talk about

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the ev tex.

Speaker 26 (59:55):
Yes, you mentioned the last few days or whatever, but listen,
I should point out we've got a Toyota. I can
tell you what it is if you like, but yeah,
we have. We haven't got to plug the car actually
charges itself. We can't plug into electricity, so it's trucually
half electric and half hybrid petrol hybrid. Yeah, so I

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wonder how that's going to work. We don't know his
energy from the grid at all, if you know, with
the charges while you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
But do you use petrol at all?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yes, so you are. You are paying the excise tax,
which is about fifty one point cents in the dollar.
I see, so you are already paying. You're probably paying
less than most because your car generates its own power.
But look there, Well it's good. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 26 (01:00:44):
It's good to kind of be. I can drive from
here to Morlmourn on one tank.

Speaker 24 (01:00:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Well, a lot of people are going towards hybrids, and
thanks for you, call, Chris, because hybrids get you over
the hump if you're just in a pure EV and
you reach it almost the end of your range traveling
in the bush and there's nowhere to plug in a
urine strife. But with a hybrid, of course, you can
pull in and buy petrol, so you've got the best
of both worlds. Matt Canavan the Nationals, Now, this is

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upcoming roundtable that the Prime Minister has suggested there could
be a tax on evs. This is what the Nationals
Matt Canavan had to say about it this morning.

Speaker 28 (01:01:21):
Well, I mean, I'm just sick and tired as a
country where we tax with one hand and spend with
the other, when maybe we could just get government out
of people's lives. I mean, if they're seriously, they seriously
think there's an issue with electric vehicles not contributing to
our public coffers, not contributing to the upkeep of roads,
why are they handing out hundreds of millions of dollars
a year in subsys two electric vehicles.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
I mean, if that's a.

Speaker 28 (01:01:45):
Problem, get rid of the five hundred million dollars a
year fringe benefit tax exemption that the federal government presides over,
the import tariff concession the federal government provides, get rid
of that, the luxury car tax discount they provide electric vehicles.
And then on top of that you have state goverments
complaining as well, because they have a lot of the
road spending and maintenance that almost every state governess country

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offers registration discounts and exemptions to electric vehicles. So why
don't just start there, get rid of that, and then
you can actually reduce the size of government, reduce the
amount of ridiculous complexit in our tax law, and fix
this budget issue without having to establish a whole new
tax which requires more bureaucrats and more oversight, more red

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tape for people driving. I just don't get it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
That's the Nationals Matt Canavan on a proposed or likely
ev tax. Eight double two three double O double was
the number to ring. We'll take a break for news headlines.
After news headlines, it's a legal segment, So if you
have a legal question, now's the time to get on board.
Eight double two three double o doublow the number.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Five double A. Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Twenty eight to eleven on five double A. It's our
legal segment when experience matters. Trus Johnston with his lawyers
with over seventy five years legal experience, Johnston Withers dot
com dot AU. Tim Darney joins me in the studio. Tim.

Speaker 29 (01:03:06):
Good morning, Good morning Graham, and thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
It's a pleasure to have you here out in the
sunshine this morning. Did you walk to the office.

Speaker 29 (01:03:13):
No, I didn't because I'm extremely busy. As much as
I would love to walk into the office. But it
is a stunning day out there, to be honest, and
apparently it's not going to last.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Though, no rain, so it's going to be wet for
the footing on the weekend. We enjoy it, well, we
can exactly. Hey, double two three, double o double. If
you have a legal question, get in early as best,
because we don't want to leave you at the other
end of the line. In fact, Karen has phoned in
right away, so if you're ready for it, Tim, Karen.

Speaker 30 (01:03:38):
Good morning, Oh Hi, good morning, Good morning, Tim, Good morning, Karen.
I'd like to ask a question of a choice of
executors and trustees of a will. I have three people
that I trust in my family to be executives admised

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date and trustees. And I was told the other day
that because I've nominated three people to be trustees, two
people can outvote the third person. Whereas I've stated in
my will, the three must agree for anything to happen

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within the estate if it's to be sold or divided.
So is that true?

Speaker 31 (01:04:28):
Please?

Speaker 29 (01:04:32):
They would the law would be that if they didn't agree.
I think ultimately that is something that would end up
having to be contested and having to be decided by
the court if it was such an issue, and if
they were so divided over an issue, Karen, and I

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think that's potentially the difficulty with.

Speaker 30 (01:04:58):
The biggest state.

Speaker 29 (01:05:00):
Yes, yeah, Look, to be honest, given that it is
a big estate, I would be very reluctant to give
you specific legal advice over the phone. Who drafted your will?
Was it a lawyer or how did that come about?

Speaker 28 (01:05:21):
Yes?

Speaker 30 (01:05:22):
I did go to a lawyer and he wouldn't let
me sign the will because he told me that the
two people can override the third person. Even though I've
stated in my will that the three people with whom
I have confidence and trust in to be executives and trustees,

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that the other person can be overridden, And that to
me is not in line with my will, with what
I want for the three people with whom I have
confidence in, yeap working or having the estate.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:06:06):
Look, I think the difficulty is how can you be
assured that all three of them will agree? What if
they what if they don't? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:06:19):
Then the estate states where it is. Yeah, it's a
livable estate to be divided between the children.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Yep.

Speaker 29 (01:06:28):
Ye did the lawyer that you had. Did he have
any solutions to that predicament? Did he would? Was he proposing, perhaps,
you know, a further amendment, if that makes sense, in
order to accommodate for that desire that you've got. That
all three of.

Speaker 30 (01:06:48):
Them agree, No, he had no amendment. I said to him,
if you don't want me to sign it now, I
will think about what I want to do in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Yep.

Speaker 30 (01:07:03):
I'm well into my eighties and I want to make
sure because the contosil is that none of the other
children have any of the estate yep, yep, Yeah, because
they've not shown any interest in me for twenty five years.

Speaker 29 (01:07:20):
Yeah, all right, Look, that's what It's a little bit
of a complex one, and I think you really need
potentially to get some alternative advice to ensure that what
the solicitor is currently telling you is correct, and then
you'll have to have a really good think about what's
the best options for you going forward, Karen, So feel

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free to ring Johnston with us. I know that is
the sort of query that Caitlin would certainly be prepared
to have a general conversation with you about. But it
might be that you're really the lawyer that's currently advising
you is right, and you are opening a state up
for potential issues in the future if you wish to

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maintain three executives at all. Agree. Sorry, I can't sort
of be more specific than Karen.

Speaker 30 (01:08:11):
But that's not my will though, then is it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
No?

Speaker 29 (01:08:13):
And that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
So yeah, thanks for you call Karen. Barry on the
text Loane just said, don't need a lawyer. But this
is the best weekly segment on radio, so they are tim.

Speaker 29 (01:08:24):
Thanks Barry, and Barry's my brother. It's Barry Downey from
and Yeah, I'll buy you the lotto tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I said you didn't finitely give it away.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Caitlin's not with you today. She's off in the bush.

Speaker 29 (01:08:37):
She's providing legal services to those in the bush. Thinks
she's in the sort of Claire area today.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
That's her neck of the woods, isn't it's her neck
of the woods. I drove up to the mid North
yesterday from Malalla. It's lovely. It's so green.

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I mean, the drought is not ended effectively, the good
rains isn't enough, but it is just so good to see.
It's at least it's good green.

Speaker 22 (01:09:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:09:01):
They call they call it a green drought, of course,
because it's just not enough. But it's it's much better
to see green than brown.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Isn't it. There indicators that could improve will good morning, Oh,
good morning.

Speaker 32 (01:09:16):
I'm just in a situation at the moment of power
attorney between a family friend. Might be a mom's in
age here, but she's pretty oblivious what's going on. She's
got no sense of what she's got in the bank,
et cetera. Now I've got a family friend that handles
her finances, although I'm dual power of attorney, Would I
have a right to say what goes on with her

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banking and so forth?

Speaker 29 (01:09:42):
Yes, you would if you're holding the power of attorney,
will you would definitely have that.

Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
She holds.

Speaker 32 (01:09:50):
I mean, she takes her out every week, and you
know that's a bit of social activity with her in
a wheelchair, blah blah blah, and she handles all of
her financeers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:10:03):
But I'm just wondering whether you know, I've got an
entitlement to say something about what goes with her money.

Speaker 29 (01:10:12):
Yeah, you do, because you've got the you've got the
power of attorney. So okay, you you really you're entitled
to make appropriate decisions, decisions, inquiries and just ensure that
it's all you know, that you satisfy yourself that it's
all above board. And of course your interest is is

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your mum's interest. So as long as the decisions that
are being made you know, are in your mother's interests,
then most certainly yes.

Speaker 8 (01:10:46):
Okay, all right, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
For that, No problem, Thanks for Carl Well A double
two three double O double is a number, ring Tim
Downey in the studio to answer your legal questions from
the text line, Greg wants to know, can you clarify
the offense relating to purchasing illegal goods and the defense
relating to knowing whether or not those items were sold
illegally related to vapes?

Speaker 29 (01:11:12):
Okay, so do you It doesn't appear that the issue
is he doesn't want to be buying vapes if he
thinks maybe there've been acquired illegally.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Is that I get the impression that or if he
has vapes that he does know are illegal, could he
be prosecuted prosecuted? Okay?

Speaker 29 (01:11:36):
If his knowledge that the goods if a thing called
a bona fide purchaser with notice, So if he really
if he knows that they've been quite illegally, Yes, then
he would be in the cart per se if that
if that's provable, if you like, because he's knowingly, of

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course acquired the items which have in the old parlance,
fallen off the back of a truck. So even though
that was seen to be you know, not necessarily a
crime per se. I mean, you knew you had knowledge
that these goods were acquired illegally, But your defense is
going to be, well, I didn't know that. I thought

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I thought I bought them legitimately.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah. Well, I mean you've got these illicit or smoke
chops all around town, and you know they're all over
the place, yes, and so people going there and they're
they're very cheap. Do they need to assume that they're
cheap because they're a listen or maybe they're just a
good deal?

Speaker 29 (01:12:37):
You know what. It's interesting because I thought this very
thing the other day when we had another one of
the tobacco fires, and I did think, what is the
story with that chop chop as they call it? Because
and I've just got to say, I don't really know
the answer. My under and which was why I was
thinking about it, because My understanding is that that they

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should chop chop is illegal, like you're not selling the
tobacco pursuant to the actual current regulation, which are really thorough,
and they come with an enormous tax. So I don't
know the answer. But I can't understand how people can
sell tobacco at a quarter of the price because they're

(01:13:23):
not paying tax on it. It just doesn't make sense
to me. I would have thought that it's that, in fact,
the sale of those goods are illegal because the sale
of tobacco is heavily regulated.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Well, they're cracking down, and South of Stratia's rules in
this area are the strongest in the country. Yeah, but
it seems to be focused totally on the distributor on
the outlets. I haven't heard of anyone being tapped on
the shoulder saying you know, where did you get those s?

Speaker 29 (01:13:48):
Makes nor have I and so I really don't know
what the answer to that question is. When you think
about it, I mean, you would just say, look, you know,
I suppose the defense would be, well, I don't know
what the rules are. Someone offered me a packet of
cigarettes for twenty bucks and I said, yes, well, you know,

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well I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
A person is not obliged to know the ramifications. You know,
is the right sales tax being put on this or
you know, and excises and so forth.

Speaker 29 (01:14:16):
Yeah, and I suppose it's the same as if you
buy duty free. I mean, for all you know, you know,
you don't understand the background the tax regulations. You might
buy some cigars you don't know that in fact, the
distributor hasn't paid sales tax on it. So and again,
I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted. I think if
that was going to be something, that would be a

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thing and there would be police waiting around the front
of those stores for someone to come out, and they
would then be prosecuted. So I just don't quite understand.
But because I'm not into Chop Chop myself, so I
don't know how one goes about buying it. But yes,

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that would be I really I think you're probably safe
if that's the question.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
I think we'll find out from the Minister's office, the
Minister for Consumer Business Affairs.

Speaker 29 (01:15:07):
Say who would be hassy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
We'll get Andrea michaels On or at least ask her
offers eight double two three double O DOUBLEO is the
number question for Tim Duney Ring now eight double two
three double O double oh.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
It's illegal to sell.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
It's twelve to eleven on five double A. Will take
another call in a moment for Tim Darney eight double
two three double O doublow where we're talking about elicit
vapes and tobacco. You've got some more information on it, Tim.

Speaker 29 (01:15:37):
Yes, being five double A and so closely connected. We
had it first hand previously from Commissioner Grant Stevens. And
in fact, it is not illegal to buy tobacco. It's
illegal to sell what's commonly referred to as chop chop am,

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but it is not legal to purchase, So you won't
be prosecuted for buying the tobacco that falls off the
back of the truck for about a quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Of the prize.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
We're not saying to do it. We're not endorsing it.

Speaker 29 (01:16:10):
We are absolutely not endorsing smoking in any of its forms.
But just for those people that are both smoking and panicked,
you don't need to panic too much.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
We've got some calls banked up. Let's get into them. James,
good morning, Yes.

Speaker 33 (01:16:26):
Good morning, Graham tim By my questions around super funds
and Caroline my will and my wife. If one of
us passes, the other one gets the one hundred percent
of the super My brother's in a slightly different situation,
and I have power of attorney. What I'm asking is,

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as a general statement, the use of binding nominations for
super fund. When would you use that and why would
you use that?

Speaker 29 (01:16:58):
You use it because it means that the beneficiary is
going to get that money immediately, and it's not going
to get and it's not going well. When I say immediately,
I mean you know, once obviously the once the super
fund's gone through all the normal processes, but it doesn't

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mean that it's got to go through the actual probate
and the estate and then it goes to the executor
and so forth. So it's a much faster and need
you know, in a way to access someone's for a
beneficiary to access funds after someone's passing, and so it's

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sort of it's a shortcut if you like, and so
you can and it needs to be you know, you
need to sort of keep your eye on who you've
nominated because it's something that you might nominate twenty years
before and then wish to change down the track, and
some people don't change funds, so the binding nominated person

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remains the same.

Speaker 33 (01:18:12):
But so just sorry, Jim, thank you, just on that.
If there are a number of nominated beneficiaries in a
will and there are family members not in a will,
does a binding nomination lend herself to more likely to
be contested or not.

Speaker 29 (01:18:32):
There's probably no reason on the face of it why
a binding nomination wouldn't be contested. The ensurer will make inquiries, well,
the fund would make inquiry basic inquiries because presumably it's
the nominated beneficiary that's going to be seeking the money,

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and if there's any if there's anything that would give
rise to potentially a dispute, then the fund would probably
want to be careful about that and they would, you know,
seek further information, and you know, it could get tied
up at that point. It's hard, it's a sort of
probably a difficult question to answer. And I'm assuming you're

(01:19:20):
anticipating that in your brother's case there will be potentially
some drama or confidentially.

Speaker 33 (01:19:28):
Yeah, not necessarily, but potentially yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:19:31):
Yeah, And you don't have to know, you don't have
to name someone you don't have to make a binding nomination.
That would be the other thing. The money would then
just form part of the estate.

Speaker 34 (01:19:42):
Sure, and that.

Speaker 29 (01:19:45):
That may be another way to do it, but potentially
as well, if let's say it's the biggest asset within
the estate and it's just going to one person, then
you know, yeah, you can see that that could lead
to fleet. I could understand why it would.

Speaker 34 (01:20:03):
Well, that's exactly what cod.

Speaker 29 (01:20:04):
Yeah, I thought that might be.

Speaker 33 (01:20:06):
Yeah, yeah, I thought, all right, thank you, Noah, is James.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Pleasure, Thanks for you call James Angela, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 35 (01:20:16):
I was wondering about capital games on a personal property.
So when the husband and I finally shuffle off our
mortal coils, we would like our two sons obviously to
inherit the house fifty percent. But I'm told they would
have to pay capital gains on the difference between the
current value and the price at which we bought the house.

Speaker 33 (01:20:38):
Is that correct?

Speaker 29 (01:20:41):
No, not initially, because we don't have inheritance tax Angela yet, right,
which is a good thing.

Speaker 35 (01:20:49):
But I was told that. I was told that by
our financial advisor. We probably paid it, Yeah, four hundred
and fifty for the house. It's now worth over a million,
and I thought they can't pay the capital gains on that,
Are they going to be worth them having it?

Speaker 29 (01:21:03):
Yeah, I'm yeah. I think probably need to be super
clear here. Let's say they hold it as an investment
and then they sell it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
Yeah, So I think.

Speaker 29 (01:21:18):
What he's talking about is when they sit where you're
you're going, and he is going ahead one more step,
and that is that then the property gets converted and sold,
aren't you that's what you're talking about.

Speaker 35 (01:21:30):
That's exactly right yet, because I don't think they will
want to live in it. They may rent it perhaps,
but I thought the money would be there to help
them with them or just make cost of living, et cetera,
and would give them a good help. But you know,
if they've got to pay capital games, that's a lot
of money.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:21:46):
Look at the I'm not really because I'm not a
financial advisor, and I'm certainly not a tax accountant, right,
a tax lawyer, and you would need specialized generally specialized advice.
Be a bit reluctant to delve into that, but for
the sake that if they it will eventually when the

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when the property when it's realized. No, look, yeah, I'm
not quite sure. It depends if they hold it. If
they hold it as an investment property themselves and they
sell it, there would be capital gains in that sense,
but I'm not quite sure why it would be backdated

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to when you purchased it. That doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
No, it doesn't to me.

Speaker 12 (01:22:32):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:22:33):
No, they said, the difference in the value.

Speaker 35 (01:22:36):
Between what we purchased and it's sold for.

Speaker 29 (01:22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:22:40):
No, that would be a lot of money.

Speaker 29 (01:22:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:22:43):
Look, because it's only been an asset to them once.
It's once of course you pass and it's realized.

Speaker 20 (01:22:50):
Yeh.

Speaker 29 (01:22:50):
Look, Andrew, i'd actually get a separate financial advice on that.
It just sound quite right to me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Okay, thanks for you, no worry, Thanks Angela, and I
think we can squeeze one more call Jeff.

Speaker 14 (01:23:03):
Good morning, Yeah, good morning.

Speaker 26 (01:23:06):
My mine's a bit complicated.

Speaker 31 (01:23:08):
Wonder if I might be able.

Speaker 8 (01:23:09):
To talk to you a little bit afterwards, because I
know you're again to the news.

Speaker 34 (01:23:13):
So is that okay, Jeff.

Speaker 29 (01:23:15):
That's fine. You can ring Johnston with us. They will
and someone can work out it for us to have
a quick chat, or if you're happy to leave your
number with Sam, then I will grab your number on
your way out and I'll try and give you a call.

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
All right, Yeah, okay, then thank.

Speaker 9 (01:23:34):
You for that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
That's okay. Yeah, thanks for your call, Jeff. Yeah, we've
got a few calls on today. As I always say,
it's probably a good idea to ring early, and this
is the case often we have no calls at ten thirty.
By halfway through the show that the phone runs hot,
and we have lots of things we want to talk
about today. Expirass your payments for prisoners that sort of
crops up from time to time.

Speaker 29 (01:23:54):
Yeah, it's a really interesting one and we'll try and
cover that next week. But yes, the new South Wales
case of Kathleen Folbeck and they've offered her two million,
which sounds like a lot of money, which you've been
in jail for twenty years, so it's really when you
think about.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
It, Yeah, who would be prepared to go to jail
for two million dollars for twenty years?

Speaker 29 (01:24:16):
Very very few And that's the question did her team
have put to Chris Mins the premiere? And look, we've
had this in South Australia, so there's a few cases
we could chat about that we will run out of time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Tim always great to chat you too, Graham, Tim Darley
from Johnson with his lawyers. As one caller said, it's
the best program, best segment on radio. So we're Tim,
you can up your rates.

Speaker 29 (01:24:42):
Thank you and thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Barry. That's Tim's brother Barry. Double two three, double double.
We'll take a break for news and the final hour
we might replay a bit of that interview I did
with Murray what the Environment Minister most informative? Well up
to a point, you be the judge.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Six past eleven, five double A. Very shortly we'll hear
once again from Murray Watt, who I interviewed a little
while ago about his return visit to Adelaide and his
refusal to acknowledge it's a natural disaster and his weasel
words apology to southa strainans. We'll replay some of that shortly.
Eight double two to three double O double oh is

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the number to ring, but on a much happier note.
It's showtime, folks. The official twenty twenty five Royal Adelaide
showbag list has been released. This is much a weighted
every year, isn't it. It features a record breaking showbag
and then plenty of new or revamped options. Joining us
now is Jordan Phillip, who's the Royal Showbag spokesperson. There's

(01:25:48):
no question about the release Jordan of the showbag. It's
almost as exciting as the show itself.

Speaker 36 (01:25:54):
That's correct, Graham. It is a long standing tradition to
throw the shows and pick out and plan your day
at the show, so it's a very exciting mile stone
for us and the lead up.

Speaker 13 (01:26:06):
To the show.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
So how many showbags are going to be available this year?

Speaker 36 (01:26:10):
So we've got four hundred and sixty eight showbags this year.
One hundred and ninety five of those are new or
upgraded from last year, so a really great selection, a
lot of value bags. So we're very excited to have
Norwod Primary School, Drake fis Mark shoppers and camp Quality
in through the doors today to test.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Themal so they are the official testers. That must be
just about the best job in Adelaide.

Speaker 6 (01:26:34):
It's certainly one.

Speaker 36 (01:26:35):
Of our favorite years watching all the camp Quality kids
and our winners from Meat to Hear come through the doors.
They've spent a long time to carefully selecting two bags
and to take home. But they're the first South Australians
to see the showbags this year, so it's just such
an exciting day.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
How are children in hospital included in the showbag experience.

Speaker 36 (01:26:57):
So once we're done with the testing and the kids
are taken home showbags, we still have a lot left over.
So the South Australian Police come and collect all of
those and during the show they drop them off to
different hospitals, so you know, if they're seeing things or
hearing things from friends that people are at the show,
they don't feel like they've missed out. They'll get their
own showbag or two while they're in hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
So tell us about the Yellow Brick Road showbag. I
know that's a real favorite for the kids.

Speaker 36 (01:27:23):
Yeah, the Yellow Brick Road is a family favorite. So
it is fourteen dollars. It is a lot of value.
You've got five hundred grams of past so, you've got
cereal from food banks, You've got yogurt, Relli's muff and
Delicta ice cream and it's just a three pieces of fruit.
So lots of snacks throughout the day to keep the
kids sustained. And that's a great way to get around

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the showground and see everything as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Now, while we all love the show, it does come
at a cost when prices are high and so forth.
How have showbag prices been impacted this year?

Speaker 36 (01:27:56):
So showbag prices, we're really happy to say that ninety
five percent have remained unchanged. The small increase you'll see
is what is reflected in the supermarket shelves really so
around the chocolate bags. But even then it's around fifty
cents to a dollar. But again a lot have increased
their value as well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
So can you let us in what are liking to
be the top pick show bags this year?

Speaker 36 (01:28:21):
Well, I always say the yellow brick Croad. I'm a
bit biased, but certainly you've got the Pompon Purin a
lot of those novelty Japanese brands that are quite trendy
with the young ones at the moment. We've also got,
of course Berty Beetle.

Speaker 31 (01:28:34):
You can't go past.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
And then I love Bertie Beetle. I got to admit
Bertie Beetles a winner.

Speaker 36 (01:28:41):
Yes, it's definitely a favorite. And Bertie Beetle hasn't changed actually,
so that's the win for family and for Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Now there's always an expenses, I said of going to
the show, but there's always there's lots of free stuff too,
isn't it.

Speaker 36 (01:28:56):
Yes, So there's more than one hundred free things to
see and do this year, for our one hundred years
at Wayville. We are so excited to say there's probably
the most at the show that you could ever get
in all of the years. So we've got the Southern
Light Spectacular presented by Drake from the main arena each night.
So Nightly Fireworks has been upgraded to a thirty minute pyrotechnique,

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drawn and light show, which is an immersive, narrated experience.
We've tripled the amount of shows for Bluie we know
that's a popular one with families, and bringing her across
for the weekend for the first time as well. So
got me all your favorite fringe performers will be back
all day on the Boulevard stage. So there's so much happening,
And of course you can watch a the shear sheep,

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milk a cow and you know, connect with farmers that
are returning to the city.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
We can't forget the farmers, can we, Or we can't
forget the animals that are always a highlight of the show.

Speaker 36 (01:29:49):
Absolutely, we're actually really pleased with the competition entry numpers.
This year we should exceed twenty five thousand. And that's
the heart of the show, really, isn't that So true
returns to city and it's a great opportunity for them
to all reconnect not only with Metropolitan Adelaide, but also
with each other when they've been doing it so hard
on fun. They're all looking forward to getting asked and

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just enjoying themselves tonight days.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Thanks Jordan, we'll see you at the show.

Speaker 36 (01:30:16):
Thanks Gray, We'll see you there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Jordan Phillip from The Royal Show about the showbags, always
a feature of the show. Can get a bit expensive,
can't it. But there's a whole new variety of showbags there.
But lots of stuff, as Jordan said, lots of free
stuff at the show too, and I forget to all
week we're giving away double passes to the show. We
have one to give away this hour to the best
call of the morning. Well, earlier this morning we spoke

(01:30:38):
to the Federal Environment Minister Murray Watt, who has again
refused to label the toxic olgill bloom destroying our marine
life as a natural disaster. This is some of what
he had to say this morning.

Speaker 36 (01:30:50):
That's correct, Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
It is sorry Jordan Murray, what why do you continue
to refuse to classify bloom as a natural disaster?

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
Well, for starters, Graham, that's actually not a decision I
can make as the Minister for Environment. But who makes
that decision that is ultimately made?

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
Are those sorts of decisions ultimately made by the Emergency
Manage Minister, which is a portfolio I used to hold.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
But who holds that now?

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
It's Christy McBain is now. But I support her her
position and I support the government's position, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Would you recommend to her that it should be a
natural disaster? Well, because you've been here and you've seen
it firsthand.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
Yeah, I have, and there's no doubt about the seriousness
of this event Graham. But can I respectfully ask why
it is that you are seeking a declaration because my
impression from speaking to South Australians is that the reason
that people want this declaration made is because they think
that's the way that they'll get federal funding. We are
delivering federal funding. We're already delivering fourteen million as part

(01:31:58):
of that twenty eight million dollar package.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
It's been suggested that's a drop in the ocean to
what's really needed.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
Well, not all of that funding has been used up
until our gram. We're investing in the science through that
businesses are being supported and there's more funding available there
for businesses to access if they want to and if
they qualify for that funding. We've said that we will
consider any further request that South Australia makes of us,
and you know, we couldn't be working more closely with

(01:32:24):
the South Australian government on this. So for those who
feel that a declaration of some kind is required to
trigger federal funding, that's not the case. We've made that
funding available just as we make funding available for droughts.
The drought that South Australia is going through at the
moment isn't categorized as a natural disaster because like the
alble bloom, it's a long running event rather than a

(01:32:47):
quick event like a cyclone or a flood or a fire.
But what we've focused on is not worrying too much
about what things are called, what declarations are made, but
what sort of funding is available and made available. And
that's what we've managed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
It's a common health belief and no one has been
able to refute it that if this disaster happened on
Bondli Beach, on the Gold Coast, on the Sunshine Coast,
in Port Pillar Bay, it would already be a major
national international story and declared a natural disaster.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
And again I understand that that's the view of South Australians.
I've heard that very clearly.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
You don't share that with you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Well, what I share is a desire for action to
help support people who are being impacted by this and
to support the marine environment. And that's what we've done.
You know. I will leave it to others to make
their decisions about how this compares to other events.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
In other states.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
My focus has been for quite some time delivering the
support South Australia needs and working with the South Australian
government and that's what we've done and that's what we'll
continue to do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
That's Murray Watt, the Environment Minister from earlier this morning.
What are your thoughts? Eight double two three double o doublow.
I believe the Premier, Deputy Premier and sardi's Mike Steer
will give a news conference in about fifteen minutes time.
Read the argle bloom following this morning's Task force meeting.
We'll try to bring you some of that press conference

(01:34:12):
if possible. From the text line, well done, Graham. You
did a great job trying to get the answers we
all wanted. What is a typical politician that doesn't accept blame,
ducking and weaving and not answering. This is the modus
operandi of the Labour Party of Straighta wide. They are
weak and we are sick of it. It's unfortunately uneducated
and easily duped. Younger generations voted for these idiots. Thank
you for that. Mark Rick says high gg climate change

(01:34:35):
is a great cover for all manner of sins. Of course,
Mali would dismiss the detailed plant. And then we had
Rosie who said, there's good interviewing and there's rudeness, but
yours was bare face liberal favoritism. Well, Rosie, come on
and have a chat. Let's talk about it. Tell me
what was barefaced liberalism. I think it was bare face

(01:34:55):
support for salvas stradia. Gooday. I wonder if Maza Watts
had a seafood ask it for lunch while he was here.
Good on you, Eddie. Morning Graham what is the minister's
advice for students attending aquatic activities and the general public
swimming and using South Austonian beaches. People's livelihoods are awaiting
his direction. Jobs, sporting clubs, the general public need his

(01:35:17):
answers and it is this. Thanks good on your Neville
eight double two three double o double oh back shortly
five double.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Well, the latest unemployment figures are out. Numbers have dropped.
Unemployment has dropped from four point three to four point
two percent nationally. Don't know what the local figure is,
but no doubt you'll hear it on five double A
News if it doesn't come to hand to us before
that time. Let's take a call Dave, good morning, Good.

Speaker 12 (01:35:45):
Morning, Graham Murray. What you do know he's an ex
lawyer for the Union to out of Queensland.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I was aware.

Speaker 12 (01:35:54):
Yes, he's pretty polished over the last couple of years
that they're buying in. You must then as estimate the
mets or what not. And he's got a waste than
five minutes of talk and absolutely cramp you know if
you know where I'm coming from you but yeah, he's

(01:36:17):
wied bite and he gets to a point where he'll
say he'll he'll blame everybody else but himself, and he
will always have an exit strategy to get out, so
he's he's clean.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
But yeah, I thought he sounded pretty shaky today, to
be honest.

Speaker 12 (01:36:37):
Yes, I think you had him bought the short and curly,
but you couldn't quite get that last tug on the left, not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
And on that night, Dave, Thanks for corl. We'll move on. Andrew,
good morning. You want to talk about the Aldo Bloom
as well?

Speaker 34 (01:36:50):
Oh yes, good morning Graham. Yes, like your previous call said,
don't let him wriggle free, Pam Albert eas he likes
to bendy the words climate change about you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
The Bloom.

Speaker 34 (01:37:02):
He gave Vnam one hundred million dollars for climate change
and he's given US fourteen million. So he's coming out
next week and I hope you can ask him why
do they get one hundred we only got fourteen?

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
And of course he's given sixty million to Papu ner
Guinea for a rugby league team as well.

Speaker 34 (01:37:20):
That's right, but I mean, but that's different though that
they specifically gave Vietnam one hundred million due to climate change.
I mean, China's their neighbor. The other thing is Premier
Mala now two presents well, relies on his good looks
to get him through most sticky positions. I think he's
got about sixty media advisors. Maybe if he had half
as many and half as many more scientists on his payroll,

(01:37:42):
we might not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Be in this boat. Yeah, good on you, Andrew, Thanks
for that. We'll keep moving through. We've got plenty of
calls on the line. Love to hear from you. Waight,
double two three, double o, double o, Pat, good morning.
Do you want to talk about home invasions?

Speaker 13 (01:37:54):
I do, but I grew one hundred percent of both
of those callers. They made excellent points. But yeah, spending
a bit of time in Oria, home invasions are horrendous
over there. And machete attacks have grown up. Who the
hell heard of machete attacks growing up? It's obviously people
were in boarding that are got a different culture.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Well you have to wonder, don't you, because you're dead right.
I mean, who only saw a machete in a movie
or something. There were no machetes in Australia unless they
were used for you know, cane cutting in Queensland and
the north New South Wales coast. Yeah, who do have
a machete in this part of the world.

Speaker 13 (01:38:30):
The question. I was going to talk to your lawyer
about it, but I've got tied out. But in Victoria,
the Labor government has ruled against people defending themselves in
a home invasion. So what's the situation are you allowed
to So in Victoria you're not allowed to defend yourself.
You can be smacked over the hell with a hammer whatever.

(01:38:50):
You can't defend yourself and you'll probably go to jail
if you do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
Now, Pat, we will find out exactly what the rule
is if you were the subject of a home invasion,
at what level I you are allowed to defend yourself.
I know in the US it's any force that you
think is necessary. I believe in Australia that there was
the case of, you know, the similar force to if
someone comes at you with a knife. You can have

(01:39:13):
a knife, but you can't have a gun. If you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 13 (01:39:17):
That's a crazy rule. But the and we should be
able to we should at least be able to have
pepper spray. But that's the ce You're not going to
have that either. Anyway, Grandma, if you could find out
that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Yep, no, we certainly will do that. We'll do that
story for another day. Thanks for that. Pat Craig, Good morning, Guji.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
How are you mate?

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Good mate?

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
Good hey.

Speaker 14 (01:39:36):
You had a guy on yesterday just towards the end
of the show talking about solar and a battery, and
he was saying that he thinks the battery is a
waste of time because the conditions. Well, I have eighteen panels,
a battery. I have not had a bill since October
last year. One air conditioning, dryers, washing machines, air fryers,

(01:39:58):
all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
It was interesting what he said. I mean, I'm not
o fay with solar panels work and how many you need,
but it sounded like he had, you know, a vast
array of solar panels.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:40:09):
Well, I don't know where he's getting his information from.
I've only got eighteen, so I don't have a lot, right,
but I haven't had a bill since October last year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
So when the sun goes down, you rely on your
batteries and you can power your house air conditioning, washing machine,
dish washer.

Speaker 14 (01:40:26):
You recall a couple of weeks back when it was
overcars and you were saying about there'll be no soul
of today.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:40:34):
I got home, My battery was at ninety percent, so
you don't need direct sunlight.

Speaker 27 (01:40:39):
It just has to be light.

Speaker 14 (01:40:42):
So as of about sort of half past four or
five o'clock, we go off the group completely. Not that
we're on it because we're getting at the solar. Yeah,
and we're on the battery all night long.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:40:52):
My wife runs everything and we never ever have an issue.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
That's and how much would it have cost you to
set up the says them.

Speaker 14 (01:41:01):
I got in when the government was helping out a
few years back. So my assistant, the battery and the
panels costs fourteen grand for me. Yeah, it cost me
fourteen thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
But I got pretty good deal. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:41:13):
But I just think anyone who says that a battery
is no good you've got to look at it, because,
like I said, I haven't had a bill since October.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Yeah. No, that's a fair story, Craig. Then thanks for
sharing it with us. We're happy to hear stories anecdotally,
because one story doesn't make all break. You know, what
you've said, Craig doesn't mean to say that everyone should
get that sort of efficiency. We don't know how this
system works. The call of the other day, I can't
think who it was, said that their system only operates
for a couple of hours before it is overloaded. The

(01:41:43):
battery just can't do the job. Maybe there's a fault
with the battery, but we'll look into it further. Well,
said Julie, who rang in saying why are we giving
money to overseas causes when we need so much at home,
which includes aid to business as an essay affected by
the algill bloom, says Hi Graham. How bad is Murray
Watt's inability to answer your simplest of questions or to

(01:42:05):
be honest. He's just another career politician with his start
in the trough and couldn't be less interested in the
welfare of our environment. It's tragic where your interview with
Henry Davis. I have heard and liked young Henry Davis before.
I think he presents well with clarity about his opinions.
I liked him, Thank you for that mark. He was
quite impressive. We've had him on before speaking as an

(01:42:25):
ann Adelaide City councilor, but now he's gone out in
this new party with the Sarah game. It will be
interesting to see if he gets cut through. But you're
not left in any doubt as to where he's coming
from and what his philosophies and policies are. Now when
you get down to the hurly burley of politics and
we get closer to the election, whether he can maintain
that we will find art hi Gg So our Prime

(01:42:48):
Minister can acknowledge and oversee state but do nothing to
help ours as an emergency. What crap? What in labor
of the masters have spin look up for filibusting? There
is a picture of what thank you for that, Dave
Ella of Modbury here that was exactly the expected response
from what's answers to your questions? Really disappointing. Well, there

(01:43:10):
will be a news conference shortly. The Premier is holding
a news conference after their task force on the Algal bloom.
The Deputy Premier will be there, somebody from SARDI will
be there and hopefully we'll be able to bring it
to you live, if not live soon after janis good morning, Hi,
how are you good? Thanks? Do you want to talk
about solar panels?

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Well?

Speaker 31 (01:43:30):
Yeah, I just wanted that man that you just spoke
to he's a lucky man.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Why is that? What's your story?

Speaker 31 (01:43:37):
Well, I've got forty six panels and a killer battery,
and I definitely get a.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Bill forty six He had eighteen panels. He said he
hasn't had a bill in a year.

Speaker 31 (01:43:50):
Bill around the four hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
You're getting bills at four hundred. You've got forty six
solar panels A ten now, I look, I'm not savvy
in this area. Is a ten kilo considered large? Small medium?

Speaker 9 (01:44:02):
It's average average?

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Yeah? And how much have you paid? Were you prepared
to say for the panels and the battery?

Speaker 31 (01:44:10):
Look, before that, I was getting close to one thousand
dollars bill.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
So it's cut your bill in more than half, but
you're still getting a bill.

Speaker 31 (01:44:19):
Yeah, So that man mays.

Speaker 15 (01:44:24):
Be lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
He's very lucky. Thank you for that, Jane.

Speaker 31 (01:44:27):
Can I touch on the algae bloom?

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
Yes?

Speaker 31 (01:44:30):
Go ahead, because I did a message they I don't
know if you're familiar. There's a drain that runs along
Eastern Parade Ottaway.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
No, I'm not aware of it, but tells more.

Speaker 31 (01:44:41):
It's a big drain, but it also goes through all
the businesses around Wingfield. Area around the landfill area. So
I've noticed and there's been green sludge in the drain.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Hmm. What could be causing that?

Speaker 31 (01:45:03):
Well, it was near outlet, so I guess it's coming
in from somewhere and going out I guess to the see.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Do you know if the council is aware of it,
because they certainly should be.

Speaker 31 (01:45:13):
I wouldn't have irony accidentally came about it because I
was looking for someone's cat.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
So would that be the Port adelaide Enfield Council.

Speaker 21 (01:45:23):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Yeah, okay, we'll make some inquiries to see that. And
this is Ottaway you're saying whether yep, okay, thanks for
letting us know that, janis. We'll make some inquiries about that.
A double two to three double double is the number.
David says. I have twenty two panels that are fifteen
killer what battery and have not had a bill in
six years? Gone here, David, Thanks for that. Hi, what
brand is the battery of the caller? I'd love to

(01:45:47):
know how many people live in his house. Regarding the
gentleman who said, despite the size of his panels and
batteries and so forth, he battery runs out early. Another
caller says haven't had a bill for years. We need
to find out too more because you know, different situations,
different batteries, different sizes, it all makes a difference. And

(01:46:07):
if you're still getting a bill, well it's quite reasonable
to question it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Twenty seven to twelve, five Double A on the Thursday morning,
and it's my great delight to welcome Penny Ready to
the studio. We're going to talk all things fruit and vege. Penny,
are you.

Speaker 22 (01:46:24):
I'm good?

Speaker 16 (01:46:24):
The sunshining, it's a great day. It's good to be
back in the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
It's not quiet spring, but it's got that old feel
almost hasn't.

Speaker 16 (01:46:31):
It definitely feels very much warmer out there than what
it has been, so I'll take any piece of sunshine.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
I was driving up to Malilla yesterday and that was
so green. I know the drought is not over, but
there's obviously been a break in the season and it's
just so lovely to see all the greenery.

Speaker 16 (01:46:47):
Yes, absolutely, and I'm sure the growers are loving it
as well. It's looking good, good growing conditions at the moment,
not the dry that we have been seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Pick a local pick Sa it's all about fruit and
veg and recently announced the Red of the Year we did.

Speaker 16 (01:47:01):
You know, it's interesting. One of the things that our
campaign talks about is about buying in season produce from
your local fruit and veg store and we love to
celebrate that and once a year we run a Retailer
of the Year award. It's a national campaign over eight
hundred stores across the country and it's about celebrating all
of those independently owned fruit and veg shops that are

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providing amazing quality, amazing service and servicing our community. They
really are a part of the community. So we had
Adelaide freshmoorph of our win for the fifth year in
the row. Actually and impressive, I know, there's such an
impressive store. I was impressed by the top three stores
here in South Australia this year. We had Fruit of
Beller at Ingle Farm, which is not a large store

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by any stretch, but they do amazing quality down there
and they came second in South Australia and fourth nationally
out of eight hundred stores, which was they're definitely punching
above their weights there and it's interesting, just like a
twenty dollars spend if you just take you know, I
know we're all about convenience and we're time poor, et cetera.

(01:48:06):
But if everyone in South Australia could just spend twenty
dollars a week in a local fruit and veg store,
the ripple effects would magnify so much. It would be
you know, that's all we need to do. It's just
small things that we can do that can make such
a difference to the economy and to the people that
are providing us and feeding us here in South Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Yeah, because when you spend, it stays within the system,
doesn't It's not being exported to the multinationals in the
like exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:48:31):
And there's so many of them. They're family owned businesses.
They've got their children working behind the counter and out
the back, and they're at the markets early in the morning.
You know, they put in such long hours and do
so much to provide so much. And also it's that
community piece like these these stores. Yes they're they're selling
fruit and vege, but they often you know, they're supporting

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the local football teams or the local netball teams and
they're really a part of the community. And I think
you know, we as South Australian's are quite parochial and
it's good that we should be able to give back
to them and support them. And you know, you get
such a different shopping experience going into a store where
you know, when I was up at Adelaide Fresh when
they won the award and I was, you know, capturing

(01:49:11):
some photos and stuff with them, and you couldn't get
five minutes without them without a customer coming past. Hey, DNA,
how are you doing? How the kids going? You know,
did you get those different tomatoes in for us this week? Yep,
we've got the heirlooms, they're available. So it's just such
a different shopping experience, there's no.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
Question about that. And you know we're paying tribute to
you know, the three winners of Retailer of the Year first,
second and third. That's just the tip of the iceberg,
isn't it, Because you know, no matter where you look
around South Australia, you get that great quality and friendly service.

Speaker 16 (01:49:44):
Absolutely. So we have forty two stores that are part
of our membership of pick A Local pick ASA, so
you'll find them in every corner of the city. You'll
see that red dot pick A Local pick as in
those stores, and you know that when you're buying from them,
they're buying fresh quality produce from the South Australian produce market.
They're buying in season locally grown produce as well, and

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when you're spending a dollar in there, it's supporting their family.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Well, it's all about fruit and vegs. The segment.

Speaker 16 (01:50:11):
What's good at the moment, Well, it's although the sun
shining today, we are still in winter, so it's all
about citrus season and getting that vitamin C into our
bodies and keeping those colds and flus away. So the
afora mandarin is in at the moment. It's a bit
of a crowd pleaser. A lot of people know this
variety of mandarins, so it's really bursting with like a

(01:50:33):
honey type flavor. So they're they're they're really lovely eating mandarins.
So if you've been waiting for them to come into season,
they're available at the moment. Also in the citrus, we've
got blood oranges.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Penny, just before you, I want to go back to mandarin's. Yes,
I love a good tasty mandarin. How do you judge
a good mandarin? Because they're often they sort of very
soft and almost squishy. You know, should should the skin
be loose?

Speaker 16 (01:50:58):
Well, you know, I think it's a personal preference, not necessarily.
Some people say that the skin has to be loose
to a peel, but I haven't found that. I find that,
even like a Ferm mandarin, if it's an easy peel,
it's going to be easy peel, whether it's softer, whether
it's not. And a really good trick that I have
been taught is instead of peeling your mandarin and pieces,

(01:51:19):
put your thumb right through the middle and split it
open in half. Oh really, give that a go. It's
a great trick.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
You've learned something new every day. You're going to talk
about blood oranges.

Speaker 16 (01:51:28):
Yeah, blood oranges. I love when they come into season.
There's such a beautiful looking fruit. They've just got such
a distinctive flavor. Really good for juices as well, Like
a blood orange juice is just you know, something very
quite different. Great for cocktails, great to slice up and
dehydrate and put into your gin and tonics as well,

(01:51:48):
pack full of vitam and c really healthy snack on
the go as well. So yeah, look for them. They
look they just look amazing. They have got a blushed
skin on the outside, and that's how you can tell
the sides going to be red.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
I remember someone who'd never seen a blood orange before
and when they opened it up there they thought there
was something wrong. This doesn't look like an orange.

Speaker 16 (01:52:08):
There is actually a brand out of Victoria called they
call them Dracula Oranges, and yeah, clever marketing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
That's still tasty.

Speaker 16 (01:52:16):
It's still tasty. And if you still if you're not
quite on the citrus bandwagon, but you want to get
some vitamin C, kiwi fruit are absolutely packed full of
vitamin SEA. They actually contain twice the amount of vitamin
C that an orange does, so if you're really craving
it so green Kiwi fruit, says a brand called Nichikiwi
that comes out in New Zealand. We don't really grow

(01:52:37):
much kiwi fruit here in Australia or South Australia, but
the new Chuikiwi brand is a really good premium brand
that's available at the moment. It's only quite a short season,
but you will find that brand at the moment. And
the kiwi fruit people are trying to jump in with
the oranges and they're suggesting that we cut a kiwi
fruit into wedges like we do an orange and to

(01:53:00):
pinch and bite it. So quite often people don't want
to eat kiwi frigs are like I don't have a
spoon and I can't scoop it out, but just cut
it into wedges, bite it and yeah, like you wouldn't
pinch the skin away, or you could eat the skin
because there's lots of fiber and in kiwi fruit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
They said we don't grow much kiwi fruit in Australia.
Why would that be because we'd have similar climates different
parts of Australia.

Speaker 16 (01:53:23):
I'm not sure it's just whether we don't have the
rise soil or but yeah, I mean kwi in New Zealand.
I actually was fortunate enough to visit a couple of
years ago and see quite a few of the farms
over there. It's it's a big business over there. I
think we should just leave it to them. They do
it so well. Okay, you're laying I think exactly. I
look vegetables. I found something really interesting this week and

(01:53:46):
it's out of angle veil in our Northern Adelaide planes
the purple congo potatoes.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Wow, that sounds pretty exciting.

Speaker 16 (01:53:53):
Yeah, they are so they're kind of there obviously a
root vegetable, they're kind of not the traditional shape of
it of a potato that we would normally have, but
they are packed full of antioxidants, earthy and nutty flavor.
Can you imagine serving your kids up a bottle of
purple mashed potato. You know, if you're having trouble getting
your kids to eat fruit vegetables, there's one that you

(01:54:15):
should definitely try. I encourage everyone to go out and
try and tell me what their kids say. So, and
you know, potatoes are a really good performance food. The
USA potato people have done a lot of research around
performance in potatoes and with athletes and really focused on that.
I think for a long time we kind of like
looked at potatoes. Oh, they're carb headed heavy, I don't

(01:54:36):
want to eat them. But they're actually a really good
carb to have for active people. So if you're active,
they're a you know, great pre workout meal, great for
recovery because the potassium in them is really good for
muscles as well. So yeah, but yeah, try the purple ones.
Give them a trya it a lot of some people
to tell me how they went.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Are they ground locally?

Speaker 16 (01:54:57):
Yeah, just sounding angle of ale. So yeah, the small
potato coat are doing them. So, yeah, you can try
something different and support a South Australian grower.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Purple congo potatoes sounds great. Yeah, with similar color turnips turnips.
There's a little bit of purple, isn't there a little
bit of.

Speaker 16 (01:55:14):
Purple and a turple without humble root vegetable. It's great
for your rustic winter cooking. And someone suggested me to
the other the other day that a way of adding
turnips into your dat if you're making a potato bake,
which you know Australians love a good old potato bake,
you can try intertwining it with a few slices of
turnips and we just add a little bit of nuttiness
and a different flavor to them as well. So if

(01:55:34):
you're wondering what do I do with the turnip, mix
it in with the potatoes and add some extra veedge.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
See I don't I could honestly say I don't like
the taste of turnips at all, but in a soup
they just add some sort of tang and taste.

Speaker 12 (01:55:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:55:48):
So, and it's all about finding how it works for
you and what you like it to be. Cooked at all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Right, spinach, that's a favorite of mine.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
It is.

Speaker 16 (01:55:56):
Yeah, so it's a it's an absolute powerhouse of a nutrients,
packed with vitamin ac and k iron, calcium like you know,
no wonder what was using the cartoon character Popeye.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
That's right, salor man.

Speaker 16 (01:56:10):
It's also lowing calories. Look, there's so much you can
do with it. You can add it into your eggs.
I find it at home when I do scrambled eggs
on a weekend. I always add a bit of spinach
into it. My teenager's friends that come over look at it, go,
why are your eggs green? Apparently not everyone does that,
but it's a really good way just to add a
bit more boost, a bit of iron into it. You know,

(01:56:31):
you can add it in and you haven't got any
extra sugar or anything, so you can blend it in
a smoothie saute as a side dish. It's very, very versatile.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
I'm always intrigued with spinach. You can buy a whole
big bunch of spinach and by the time you cook it,
it's sort of exactly. It shrinks down to a minute
amount that it's so tasty.

Speaker 16 (01:56:49):
It is tasty and yeah, adds so much nutrients to
whatever it is you're cooking.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
So the Royal Show is coming up, getting involved it is.

Speaker 16 (01:56:57):
I've just been at the launch down there actually talking
about on the way in. So yeah, we had a
mascot Gidget the Strawberry down there, who gets involved in
the mascot games on the last day. We're also part
of the Yellow Brick Road, which you spoke about before.
It's such good value fourteen dollars. And look, the thing
I love about the Yellow Brick Road is you get
all ages and like you think it's just for families, No,

(01:57:19):
you get older people, single people, young couples. It blows
my mind how many people buy the Yellow Brick Road.
So pick A Local Picksa has a stand in the
Goiter pavilion and we're actually two stops on the Yellow
Brick Road. You'll get a banana and an apple at
our stop. We also do demos throughout the day different
Ashen Valley juices, Rainbow Fresh salads, High Fresh salads, and

(01:57:42):
we've got to have brand ambassador Calum Hank coming in
to do a cooking demo for us as well. So yeah,
so he's just been on Master Chef. So if you
want to meet him. On the Friday, come on in,
we'll be doing a cooking demo. You can see him
cook up some Matolo Family Farm potatoes and you can
get a photo with him.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
It's always great to chat Penny. Thanks for dropping by,
Thanks for having me, and we'll see you at the show.
See you at the show. Most definitely look for the
red pick a local pick SA. Your local fruit shop
will have that sign and vegstore you know that you
were supporting a South Australian business, supporting SA growers. Back
shortly five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings eleven to

(01:58:21):
midday on five Double A Well the short A short
time ago the Premier held a news conference on the
basis of the task force Algall Bloom task Force and
this is the essence of what he had to say.

Speaker 20 (01:58:35):
The first one is in respect to the results that
we've seen in Metropal and Adelaide. So last week we
recall that we reported across those seventeen sites that eight
had seen going backwards and let me rephrase it, eight
had seen the ago up. Nine had seen a decline
in the presence of Alguie. This week we're in a

(01:58:55):
position to report that across those son seventeen sites, seven
have increased, five have decreased, and five remained steady, So
which is consistent with what we saw last week. You know,
some will go up, some will go down. What we're
seeing with the algae is that it pulsates. The key
conditions that we've been looking for in regards to the

(01:59:19):
algae is obviously we're looking for cooler weather and we're
looking for less sunlight, and in the absence of those,
it's reasonable to assume that the algae will continue to persist,
at least on that basis, barring other interventions.

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
Days like today aren't.

Speaker 20 (01:59:35):
Particularly great for the algae because the sun is very
much out, and of course we're not photosynthesizes, and that
has an impact accordingly. But nonetheless, there are also signs
of abatement as well, and there are still some reason
for hope. But as I've said previously, the government is
very much working towards the worst case scenario, which is

(01:59:57):
the presence of the algae over the course the spring
on summer months. It would take a pretty bold person
today to predict that it would be absolutely gone by then.
Now we're standing that there are some people who thinks
that's every possibility.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
In regards to.

Speaker 20 (02:00:13):
Oyster production, which is the one area, well one of
the areas that has hit as a result of the algae.
So you'll remember, at least I hope you remember. Where
the algae has an impact is where we see the
presence of the Brevy toxin. And the species that are
affected through the brevy toxin are oysters, muscles, Abaloni and Pippy.

(02:00:38):
We have obviously been able to clear all the muscles
and that remains true, so that's great for muscle production,
which basically leaves the two most significantly impacted is some
oyster growers, but also Pippy specifically good or Pippy. The
imation I thought i'd focus on is the most the
biggest one, which of course is the oysters.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
And in respect to the.

Speaker 20 (02:01:03):
Oyster berevy toxin levels who pleasingly they've all gone down.
So this is the presence of the brevy tox and
where it does exist, it has gone down in kal
American River stands, Rey, Poor Vincent, and Koubaowi.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
That's good news.

Speaker 20 (02:01:20):
Seeing the brevy toxin going down amongst our oyster production
areas is good news for them in terms of likelihood
of being able to go back into sale for those
affected areas soon. It's important to remember, of course, that
overwhelmingly all of our state's oyster producers are overwhelmingly there
is a majority of our oyster producers who are perfectly

(02:01:41):
clear and able to sell and people have safe to consume,
which is good news for them. There is a handful
that do remain impacted. They're in those locations that I
refer to, and in the areas that have been impacted.
We have seen the presence of the breviy crocks and
go down. Having said that has not yet gone down
to the levels that allow it to go to March.
But we're seeing a trend in a positive direction, but

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that needs to be maintained for some time before they
will be in a position to be able to sell.
Bearing a mind that for the oysters, they have to
be tested below the appropriate levels for at least two
weeks consecutively before they can be clear to go into
the market, knowing that the level or the threshold is
already very low. Indeed, but for the vast majority of

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ours to produce as they are already able to sell.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Ass is the case with.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Muscles, that's the Premier, Peter mananawskis, I believe the press
conference is still going on. He was joined by Deputy
Premier Susan Close and Sadie's Mike Steer. That's from the
task force meeting this morning on the algal bloom crisis.
From the text line Graham, why don't you put your
hand up for the essay? Liberal Party seem to know
a lot and you always rubbish the Labor Party. Easy

(02:02:50):
to make big noise as a radio host, but all talk.
Put your hand up for Liberal Party please cheers. Jeremy, Jeremy,
I don't think the Liberal Party it'd have me. You
obviously never heard me get stuck into Stephen Marshall, did you?
You should have listened more often. I don't think I've
been running from COVID.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Well.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
It was like must watch TV for a while there
with Marshall, Stevens and Spirior. It was like, oh, what
times the press conference on. Let's watch it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
Let's see if they contradict each other.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
We are allowed to go out of our house.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
That was the time that I was very critical of
Segan Marshall because I.

Speaker 4 (02:03:21):
At your time too. Don't touch the football, you know.
Plus there was a little bit of byplay. For those
of us in the media. We enjoyed the Andrew Hoff
versus Grant Stephens kind of Tater Tate the press conference,
which is always great. So I missed those days, and
yet here they are now. It pops up every now
and then an Algal Bloom presser.

Speaker 7 (02:03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
It is pretty sad though, isn't it. But Murray, what
is back? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:03:41):
Well you had him in the corner, Muhammad Ali style.
You were just punching away, and like Homer Simpson, he
just stood there and took the punches and didn't fire
back and rang the bell and that was the end
of the contest. Curiating, is it? He's the Fonds from
Happy Days. He cannot say sorry, and you cannot say
I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
How difficult is to say, Look, we should have reacted sooner,
you know, I mean, but no, he was sorry. That
South Australian's thought. He was slow in reacting.

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
There, I'm sorry if you're offended, not I'm sorry for
offending you, but I'm still throw it back on you
like it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
It's deficult. Weasel words and lawyers, and he's a lawyer
and politicians are common for them. Anyway, there'll be no
weasel words in your show.

Speaker 4 (02:04:24):
This afternoon, No, there will not. I do like though
that the Lips have now got something to hang on.
So now Susan Lee and now Vince Tazia and now
Pado down at Glenel like they're all we need a
topic to try. Oh yeah, hit some you get some
punches in and score some points.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
Yeah. Well wait, this is it. They haven't done all
that well with ramping when they should be able to
do a lot better. Yeah, so maybe they can latch
onto Alga Bloom.

Speaker 4 (02:04:47):
Coming up after one o'clock Greyhound racing band in Tasmania.
What does it mean for South Australia? Will it follow
suit Act first? Then Tasmania? Could the other states follow?
So we'll discuss that coming up a little later in
the show. Kay Collins is going to jail. Yeah, I know,
can't believe it myself. What has she done this time

(02:05:07):
that her wrap sheet is long? She's going to join
us and tell us exactly why. So lots of fun
coming up after one o'clock.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Today, going to Leith we'll hear from you then Leith
Forest this afternoon after one just about time to go,
but before we do, we have a winner. Congratulations to
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(02:05:38):
be back and do it again tomorrow