June 18, 2025 • 121 mins
Mark Butler, Nicola Centofanti, Stephen McCarthy, Suzie Kenny, Clare Scriven, Andrea Michaels, Tim Downie, Robyn Nayda, Daniel Tropeano, Penny Reidy and your calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Welcome to Thursday, this nineteenth day of June.
Hope we find you well. Any issues that take your fancy,
that you're interested in you want to share with us,
give us a call. Eight double two three double o DOUBLEOW.
My special guest this morning is Health Minister Mark Butler,
who will join me shortly. If you have any questions
for the Health Minister, get them ready, get in early.
Eight double two three double o doubleow. Also on the
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show today, the Government State Government that is is stepping
up its campaign to stamp up the sale of ilicit
tobacco and smokes. Five unlicensed stores in Heine Marsh, durn
and Court, Salisbury, North Blair, Ethel and Campbelltown have been
ordered to close by Minister Andrew Michaels following evidence of
illicit activity. We'll take a good look at that. I
think we're all horrified by the story on seven News
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recently the Adelaide woman was devastated after a thirteen year
old Maltalia Lulu was fatally mauled by an off leash
staffy cross. I think there'd be maultelier, wouldn't it a
Maltese cross with a cavalier. Not sure, but anyway a
cute little dog and for mea said. The dog launched
at them, leaving Lulu with her injuries. The attackers owner
fled without offering help or contact details, and the incident
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sparked renewed concern over off leash dogs in public parks.
While significant reforms to dog and cat laws, including banning
puppy farms, expanding feral cat eradication, and increasing penalties for
dog owners that attack people and other animals have passed
State parliament. We'll take a look at that and the
Liberal Opposition's Drought Response and Recovery Bill twenty twenty five
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past the Legislative Council yesterday. Was it necessary? We'll speak
with Shadow Minister for Primary Industries and Regional Southastratia Nicholas
and to Fandy. We have our legal segment thanks to
Johnson Withers the lawyers in the studio to answer your questions.
Eight double two three double o doublow is the number
to ring well. Firstly, I would like to welcome our
special guests this morning, Health Minister, Mark Butler, Minister, Good
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morning to your grara. Thanks for coming in today, my pleasure.
We hopefully will have a lot of questions from our listeners.
Eight double two to three double o doublow is the
number to ring. Firstly though, where a new term is started,
what's your focus?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, our focus over the course of the next full
three years, but particularly as we get going, we'll be
on implementing the promises we made to the Australian people.
And in my portfolios of health and aged care and
now also disabilities, there were many of them. Right at
the core is the promises we made around bolk billing
to extend bulk billing support to all Australians, not just
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those with a concession card. We want to get that
bulk billing rate back up to ninety percent. We've got
cheaper medicines policies that we'll be introducing into the Parliament
as soon as we get back to drop the co payment,
the maximum co payment people pay for their medicines from
the first of January. We've also frozen medicine prices for
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pensioners for the rest of the decade. And we've also
got fifty more Medicare urgent care clinics we want to
roll out, added to the eighty seven that we opened
in the last term of parliament. So there's a lot
to do implementing the promises we made to the Australian
people at the election.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
There are a lot of concerned FIVEAA listeners that firned
this program, saying they're facing increased pathology bills from July one.
Evidently the federal government is cutting three hundred and fifty
six million dollars from pathology services. What can you say
to those people.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, that's just not right. That is an incredibly misleading
position that is being put by the three very big
pathology companies. Very very big companies made billions of dollars
in profits during the pandemic through the pretty high payments
they receive for COVID testing, and are now seeking to
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prop up those profits with what I think is an
incredibly misleading campaign. We've made some changes to vitamin B
testing and also urine testing that were recommended to us
by the relevant clinicians. There was a task force that
said there's too much of that testing going on. Not
only is it an inefficient way to use tax payer money,
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it's clinically not proper. If you look at the public
pathology companies, so say pathology here in South Australia grame,
they have applauded the decision we've taken. They don't want
to see unnecessary pathology testing take place. But the big
profit making companies that make a whole lot of money
out of frankly unnecessary tests, they're trying to run this
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campaign that there's been a cut. What we did was
we actually reintroduced indexation, so increases to pathology payments for
the first time in twenty five years. So they're getting
more money from us from the last budget, not less.
This misleading campaign is an incredibly irresponsible thing that the
three big pathology companies are doing, and it will have consequences.
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I am taking advice that if they start putting in
place co payments in an area which is now over
ninety nine percent bulk build on the back of a
misleading campaign, I'm telling those three companies there will be
very serious consequences.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
We have a text from Russell who wants to know
is the bl one test with prostate tests going to
be free well again.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Also, we have been receiving new guidelines about the best
way to test for prostate cancer. As many of your
listeners will know, certainly the male listeners, this is a
difficult area because testing for prostate cancer can have in
itself negative consequences if it's a false positive, so we're
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constantly getting updated clinical advice about the best way in
which to test for the most common cancer. Prostate cancer
is the most common cancer for men, and the Prostate
Cancer Foundation, which is the peak body in this area,
brings together clinicians the patient groups. They currently have some
draft clinical guidelines that are out for comment right now.
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I expect that they will be finalized in the second
half of this year. This is the first time we've
updated those guidelines since I think twenty sixteen. We funded
them to do that work and I want to make
sure that Australian men have access to the best up
to date clinical advice and support in an area that
is a very big issue for Australia's men.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Thanks Erk Minister. We have Wendy on the line. Wendy,
you have a question for the Health Minister.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, it's nice talking to you both. Last year I
was advised by my doctor to have an RSV injection,
which I paid over three hundred and thirty eight dollars for.
I didn't mind paying for it because I thought prevention
is better than the illness. Now no one can tell
me if I need another one this year. Chemists can't
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tell me. My own doctor can't tell me because all
they know is about the young babies that missed out
on it from their mothers and the mothers in their
last time of pregnancy to get it. So no one
can tell me if I need if it's a one
off injection, or I need it annually every year.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, you need to ask you your GP about that, Wendy.
RSV is a very serious illness. It's one of the
big three respiratory illnesses. As I think you said, We've
just put an RSV maternal vaccine for pregnant mums onto
the national iminization program. That's the first one we've ever had.
It started in February. Already well over sixty thousand pregnant
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women have taken that vaccine, and those antibodies then flow
through to the fetus and protect their beautiful newborn baby
for those crucial few months of their life. I've also, though,
been really interested to make sure that some of the
companies who are developing vaccines for RSV are putting their
vaccines forward for excuse me, for consideration for those vaccines
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to be added for older Australians, so Australians over the
age of sixty five, and I expect that work to
unfold over the course of this year.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Thank you for called Wendy now Minister. The government's vague scheme,
Really it's a disaster. You know, only one in every
seventeen hundred practices selling. Only about seven hundred of Australia's
nine hundred pharmacies participate. They say they're averaging one legal
sale every three days. You've gone on record of saying
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vaping is declining, but there are obvious flaws in the scheme.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, I don't agree with your characterization, Graham. I think
this is doing the job I wanted to do first
of all, which was to take the vapes out of
the hands of our kids. The first thing I did
was put in place and import restriction so to stop
these things coming into the country in the first place.
They were flooding into the country under the old regime.
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And since that time, our hard working border force officials
have seized almost ten million of these things at the border.
We also they need to shut down the sale of
those vapes on the ground, out of retail premises, so
vape stores have shut. Every one of the seven or
eight vape stores that were opening. My Electra in hind
Marsh is now shut. But I do recognize that some
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retail premises, so convene at stores tobaccon Us, are still
selling vapes against the law and they need to be
brought to court and prosecuted for that. Now, in your
introduction you were talking about the terrific work Andrew Markles
is doing here in South Australia. It is the leading
work in the country to crack down on a list
at tobacco and the illegal sale of vapes. Remember, this
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is bankrolling organized crime. At the end of the day,
these are the organizations that are controlling this market. So
we need to do more on enforcement. I never said
this was easy. You know, we're battling big tobacco on
the one hand and organized crime on the other. This
is a tough fight. But I will say and I
will reassure your listeners who are worried about their kids
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or their grandkids doing this stuff. The research that we've got,
very credible research shows that vaping rates among very young Australians.
So here in South Australia, teenagers essentially are down thirty
percent already, School suspensions as a result of vaping in
South Australia have halved over the last twelve month. Principles
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and teachers were telling us this was the number one
behavioral issue in their schools. Suspensions have halved, and vaping
rates among older adults, so sort of mid twenties and up,
they've halved as well. So we are making a difference
taking these vaps out of the hands of our kids.
But look, I don't pretend this was ever going to
be easy. I said that at the time we embarked
upon this. We have to keep going. This is bankrolling.
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Not only is it hurting the health of our young Australians,
this is bankrolling the work of organized crime. Every time
you buy a pack of illicit cigarettes, every time you
buy an ilegal vape, you are contributing money to organized
criminal gains to bankroll their drug trafficking, their sex tracking activities.
And we just have to remember that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
We're speaking with Health Minister Mark Buplet in the studio.
If you have a question, give us a call now
eight double two to three, double double oh.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Five, Double A Mornings with Gram Goodings.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Twenty past nine five double A on the Thursday morning,
we have Health Minister Mark Butlert in the studio. If
you have a question for the minister, he's only too
happy to take your call. Eight double two three double
o double o. Something. Minister. We were talking about the
mental health. It's a major issue, there's no question about
that in Australia. At the moment. The statistics are revealing
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that it's growing, particularly among young people. It's putting a
huge burden on the public health system. What are your
steps to I know it's not something that's going to
be overcome overnight. What can you do in the mental
health arena?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, let me talk about young people. I mean, mental
health is unique really in health. Most health issues tend
to emerge in middle age and older, but mental health
tends to emerge when you're young. So if you're going
to have a mental illness at any point in your lifetime,
it probably will have emerged before you're twenty five. Two
thirds will emerge before twenty one, and three quarters of
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mental health issues will already have hit by the time
someone turns twenty five. So what we've learned over the
last couple of decades is you've got to build mental
health services that young people feel comfortable going to I mean,
when I was young, which admittedly is a long time ago,
if you had a mental health issue, you're expected to
go to mum and dad's GP if you're a teenager
with Unsurprisingly, people didn't do that. So we've been busy
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really building youth mental health services like Headspace and a
lot online, a lot of digital services, but they're becoming
overwhelmed because of that increase you talk about in mental
distress among young people generally, particularly frankly younger girls and women.
So at the last election campaign we promised to do
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a couple of things. One expand the existing services we have,
but also introduce new services. They address what the former
Australian of the Year Pat mcgory calls the missing medal,
so services for people or young people who have quite
complex needs that frankly are a bit beyond those Headspace
services or GPS or psychologists to look after, but aren't
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yet quite as extreme or severe that they would be
admitted to a hospital. So we're going to build more
of these missing middle services. We put a lot of
money into that at the election campaign. We'll be working
on that, but we also want to get sort of
upstream to try and work out why is there such
a high level of mental distress among our young people now.
And we're pretty confident, although the research is still coming,
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and we're pretty confident social media is playing a role.
And that's why, frankly, the rest of the world is
watching what we are doing here in Australia to ban
the use of social media among kids under sixteen. Like
everyone around the world is watching this, particularly the English
speaking world, the US, Canada, UK Island, New Zealand. They're
experiencing exactly the same levels of mental distress among their
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young people and everyone is now starting to point the
finger at phones and social media. So what we've done
to take phones out of schools again, the rest of
the world is looking at that. When I talk to Principles,
that has changed school life almost overnight. Kids are playing
together again, they're talking to each other again, their learning
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behavior has improved, all because of us taking those phones
out of their hands. And we're very confident that that
social media band that the big tech companies are going
to fight tooth and nail, but putting in place that
social media ban is going to be a really important
way to improve the mental health of our young people.
So yes, we'll roll out new services, but we've also
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got to start to explore why are young Australians today
experiencing such higher levels of mental distress than seems to
have been the case ten twenty, thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
We have Health Minister Mark Butler in the studio. If
you have a question of the Minister, give us a
call right now, a double two to three doublo minister
from the text line high Graham, what can the Minister
do to make sure you get an appointment at a
GP when a person is unwell, not a week or
two later. Also, what can the minister do to make
sure gps take on more new patients when needed, when
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you need a GP in your area. I've called some gps.
They say they're not taking new patients. You know, that's Minister.
That's something that we hear, all two of them. Yeah,
we don't have enough gps. I think is really clear.
I think I might have talked to you about this before, Graham,
that you know, not too long ago, about one in
two medical graduates would have chosen to become a GP.
That's thirty forty years ago. Half of the medical school
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graduates went into general practice. Now it's down to about
one in seven and the other six will go into
surgery or anesthetics or psychiatry or something. So we've got
to build that general practice workforce. This year we have
more young doctors training to be GPS than at any
time in our history, so we have turned that around.
Last year was a record. This year is another record.
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We want to grow that again. So we've got more
funding in this scheme to train more young Australians as gps.
Because we know a lot of our gps are in
the process of retiring. We've got to replace them. But
also we're trying to find ways in the meantime to
bring gps in from overseas, particularly from countries where we
have high levels confidence in their training, so the UK,
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New Zealand, Ireland, Canada, those sorts of countries. We're fast
tracking their ability to come in and frankly fill the
gaps we have in the system. In the meantime though,
we've got to build other systems. Those urgent care clinics
I talked about, they're open seven days a week, three
hundred and sixty five days a year, already seen one
and a half million patients since we started opening them
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a couple of years ago, and every single person is built.
In addition, we'll be introducing next year a new service
called one eight hundred Medicare where you can get again
a free nurse triage service and potentially telehealth as well.
So the nurse after six pm, if he or she
probably she thinks you need to see a GP, you'll
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be clicked over to a telehealth system funded by Medicare,
Quality assured by Medicare to take some of that pressure
off general practice. Ross from Valley View is called in
Ross go ahead.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Oh hello, Yes, my wife's got dementia and she's been
in the Mudbury Hospital for seven weeks now, and she
had actually gone in for an infection and they cured that.
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But because she was unwill at the time, I was
told that two doctors and the social worker has said
I couldn't take her home because it needed two people
to look after her, and so they put us under
say Cat. Now, we had a say Cat meeting on
the eleventh a during Now what happened was my wife
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screamed because I helped change. I go every day, I
try and get there between nine point thirty ten o'clock
or subtimes ten thirty and I stay sometimes to eight
thirty at night. Now, going through the tribunal, I'm now
looks as I'm going to lose her. The public Advocate
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has made the Guardian to make all her lifestyle decisions
to her son who lives in Kerlanga who has mental
health problems, and had a care with him when they
had the meeting. Now what happens there? And because I
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had an advance care directive and I thought it was right,
but the person that's the decision maker said no, it's
not because it was signed by a nurse at our
GP clinic. But I'd taken it to Tony Zappier's office
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and he said everything was correct, and he had photo
copied five copies. And now they say it's not correct.
So I've lost my power of attorney.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Well, I don't have the circumstances obviously of your case.
Is that sounds like it must have been incredibly distressing
for you those last seven weeks where your lovely wife
has been in hospital. We might get some details from
you and we can contact you offline and see whether
we can help you through this.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Thanks for you called Ross. Yes, we'll put you back
to my producer Patrick. Just one final question. We're just
about to run over time, but I have to mention this,
the IVF system can faith be restored in IVF Monish
IVF two horrific incidents. Now a lot of people who
are on the I v F program considering it are
wondering what shall I do.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, My third beautiful child is an IVF baby, and
I know that the depth of trust that families put
in IVF companies often feels like you get a miracle
baby certainly felt like that to my wife and I
And you know, I think what's happened with mon Ash,
with not one case but two cases going so awry,
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really has really hurt the confidence that Australian families have
in what has been one of the best systems in
the world, delivering twenty thousand babies every year. So when
the Health ministers and I met on Friday in Melbourne,
we decided to put in place a national independent accreditation
system for IVF companies. The fact is until now they've
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essentially been self regulating, and we think we need to
inject some confidence and independence and transparency into that system.
We'll be doing that as a matter of priority, and
we'll be looking at other ideas about introducing better national
standards around the regulation here. We've got to get confidence
back into the system. I know families have either had
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an IVF baby who are thinking going through this are
deeply worried about the media coverage of these two really
devastating cases. And I know Chris Pickten here, health ministers
across the country are determined to get this industry back
on track.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Mike Butler, thanks so much for your time today, appreciate it.
Thanks Gray, we've been speaking with her. He Minister Mark
Butler back after news Headlines five Double A Mornings with Graham. Goodings,
Good morning. If you've just joined us, you've just missed
chat with Health Minister Mark Butler. As I said to
the Minister, I had twenty seven more questions for you.
We just didn't have the time, So we'll certainly have
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the Health Minister back on at another time. Questions on
the text line, Minister, when are all government's going to
get serious about women's breast scanning and make it bulk
build automatically if you go via any method which is
at the moment an ultrasound isn't covered. Poor well Unfortunately,
the Minister is not here to answer that many kids
have parents that either don't care about mental health or
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their parenting is antiquated and unsupportive on the issue of
mental health issues. As the Minister said that it is
one health issue that sets in often very early. Where
most illnesses and disease seems to happen later in life,
mental health can occur very early at an early age.
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Liberal Oppositions Response and Recovery Bill twenty twenty five past
the Legislative Council yesterday Chadow. Minister for Primary Industries and
Regional South Australia, Nikola senta Fadi joins me. Now, Nicola, good.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Morning to you, Good morning Graham to you and your listeners.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Why was the bill necessary?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Well, look, Graham, we've been hearing from farmers and farming
communities for months and months now that despite the Federal
government's announce of a seventy three odd million dollar drought package,
that that drought package simply isn't or has missed the
mark and isn't getting on the ground. To be honest, Graham,
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you know I don't want to have put this bill
forward to Parliament. I would have I would have wanted
the government to ensure that this practical support is hitting
the ground, but the reality is is that without things
like a proper declaration of the drought, without things like
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a coordinator and a note and we certainly welcome the
government's announcement of Alex Immermann as a Drought Commissioner last week,
and without a dedicated fund to assist in things like
no and low concessional loans, reimbursement of fees and charges
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associated with land, new stock movement, water licensing. Really what
farmers have been crying out for, and that is a
hand up, not a handout, and really cash flow that
is urgently needed during this severe drought to enable them
to do things like pay their interest bills, purchase food
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for their livestock, purchase hey, purchase podder and also for
payments of water carting if required. So that is what
this bill ultimately is about and again is something that
our farmers and communities have been calling for months. And
this bill is about giving structure to what for too
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long I think has been an ad hoc and reactive
approach to drought in South Australia. And this bill is
something that the Opposition and the entire cross Bench have
united around. I just want to recognize the cross Bench
for their support of this bill. They absolutely understand and
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we've stood together to say, look, enough is enough. It's
time for the Government to step up and to provide
the support that our regional South Australians deserve. Now we
know this bill isn't perfect. No piece of legislation is,
but it is a critical foundation and there's still time
to improve it. And I've written directly to the Premier
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and to the Minister for Primary Industries inviting them to
take a multipartisan approach to this bill. You know, I'm
not just open to collaboration. I'm actually actively seeking it.
You know, my door is open. I'm really saying to them,
let's work together.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Why why is it so important to declare it a drought.
I mean, the government knows it's a drought. The farmers
now it's a drought. I know it's a drought. You
know it's a drought. Why you know this declaration of
a drought, what difference could that possibly make?
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Well?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
You know, we saw recently in the Advertiser that one
and two grain producers are struggling to access at finance
and credits, and I think, you know, one grain producer
put it that their banks advised that if a drought
declaration is made then it gives them more scope for
the hardship lending. Now we know that that's not the case,
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you know, under the National Drought Agreement, but the reality
on the ground is that by declaring it a drought,
it sends a clear signal not just to all levels
of government and industry, but also to those financial institutions
and to the Australian Taxation Office that support is both
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necessary and is absolutely urgent. And a drag declaration isn't
about exclusion, It's about recognition. It's about recognizing the scale
and severity of the crisis that is currently facing our
regional communities. So, you know, we feel that a declaration
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you know, which is backed which would be backed by
local data and criteria, just really ensures that those who
need the help most receive it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Thank you, Nicola Santa Fandi will move on because of
the primary Industry's minister joins us. Now, Claire Gribven, how
would you respond to Nicolas center Fandy, Good.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Morning, Graham. Look, the issue with this bill that passed
the Upper House yesterday is that it creates a whole
lot of extra red tape. It directly contravens the National
Drought Agreement, and it adapts a policy that's being rejected
around the country now more than a decade. Because what
it does it doesn't dedicate any extra money to drought support.
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It says that we need to have a declaration and
a whole lot of other red tape before any drought
support can slow. So, just for example, what it says
is you can't release drout support until some undefined sort
of declaration is made, a drought coordinator is appointed, that
person develops a plan, they consult on the plan, including
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inviting written submissions, and then it's approved by the governor.
So that's a very long process before any drought support
can slow. And it really does also raise the question, well,
if this is adopted, does that mean that all of
the drought support that you can't be doing. The seven
to three million dollars, which is a state package, not
a federal package, has been a shadow minister said would
have to stop because that's certainly what it appears to
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say in the bill. And also what it does reintroduces
lines on a map, So if you're in a declared area,
then you can get assistant. If you're not in a
declared area, then you can't. Now this is something that's
been rejected because we all know your farm's on months
another road, my farm's on the other, and I can't.
I can get support and you can't. Is ridiculous. So
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it really is a very very rushed and ill thought through.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You're suggesting that I keep would add red tape, but
the suggestions from the opposition is that there's red tape
already that is slowing up the aid getting to the farmers.
Is that the case, Well, there's.
Speaker 8 (28:23):
Obviously got to be a criteria for our grants. This
is taxpayers money and everyone would expect that there is.
When it comes to the on farm infrastructure grants, they
are now being processed within thirty days that we've been
able to streamline that back and that's all been able
to happen without a piece of legislation that would add weeks,
if not months to that process. So you know, we
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really can. We've been working constantly with industry. The packages
that we have developed first in November and then in
April they are announced. They've been developed with industry. This
bill was not consulted. Well, it was not developed with industry.
I asked the Shadow Ministry yesterday in Parliament, you know,
did she work with the peak bodies that represent farmers,
all the different sectors in developing this bill and she didn't.
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You know, what we know she did was developed and
introduced it to Parliament and then send a copy to them.
We really need to be working closely with industry, closely
with farmers, and that's what the state government has been doing.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We've heard a lot from farmers saying, you know, they
don't just want to hand out that they would like
a low interest lan now interest loans so they can
get back on their feet and do what they do best.
Is that likely to happen.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
So there is a federal fund that does that. It's
called the Rick Loans and I've spoken with farmers who
have been able to avail themselves of that and they've
found it very helpful. Now, both the Premier and myself
have been advocating to the federal government that those loans
should have a lower interest rate than they currently do.
So they're confessional loans, but I think it's about five
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point two percent. So given that there's been changes in
the general markets for interest, we're advocating that that should
be lowered. And also the farm household allowance has a
threshold in terms of the assets test of five and
a half million dollars, and we're saying that really needs
to be looked at and potentially increased. So where there's
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already mechanisms set up as there are in the federal system,
we're not trying to replicate that here in the state government.
What we're trying to do is feeling where some things
are not addressed, and we're continuing to look at ways
that we might be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Cleis Griwin and thanks for your time. Primary Industries Minister. Well,
let's speak now with Stephen McCarthy, the District Council of Remarkable.
He is the mayor. Stephen, good morning to you, Good morning.
What do you make of the Opposition's Drought Response and
Recovery Bill? Do we need to declare a drought? Are
you happy with what's happening in supportive farmers at the moment?
Speaker 9 (30:54):
Yeah, Look, it's a complex So the short answer to
that is yes, we are supportive of the build has
been presented at this point in time. I think people
that are working in this space or understand the space
that this is a very difficult thing to work through,
and people and farmers, primary producers, etc. Are able to
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access current programs over time. What happens with drought as
against any other emergencies such as fire and floods, etc.
It's not as visually obvious at this point in time,
and we finish up with the areas I think, and
I understand the reference to boundaries, which is always a challenge,
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But we have the Upper and Far North part of
our primary production areas out here at the moment that
are three years in to what is devastating for their families,
their businesses and our areas and communities, etc. Then we've
got other areas where it's nowhere near as dramatic in duration,
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but the impact is similar of course, becauset is drought,
of course, So what we don't have is the ability
to recognize where there's a crisis area, which we do
have in the Upper North versus those that are equally
doing it as tough, but the crisis is not quite
as severe. So I think through this bill, i'd be
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anticipating that we actually get to a point where we
can have a better definition on how we actually deal
with what is an emergency versus dealing with the dry season.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
So what is the state of play for farmers in
your region at the moment? Mentally and physically.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Mentally people are exhausted and I'm generalizing here. We got
some areas amount remarkable council area that is not as
devastated as some of the others. But to our neighbors,
certainly surrounding us to the north and to the east,
they're mentally exhausted. Financially, they are drawn out as harden
as far as they can go. Getting assistance is ad
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hock and whist there is assistance out there, and nobody's
saying to deny that it is ad hoc. Where the
whim if you like, of how the volunteers who kart
hay and those processes are able to get resources and
the feed etc. To these areas. But it is ad hoc,
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and despite how wonderful that is, it's not sustainable. And
so people are dealing with these inconsistencies and the build
up of that over a period of time to the
point where they actually doubt that there is a future.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, Stephen McCarthy, our thoughts are with you. Stephen McCarthy
is the Juristic District Council of Remarkable mayor. Let's go
over to the West Coast Susie Kenny as a farmer
and author. She joins us. Now, Susie, good morning to you.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Now, what are you making of the opposition Start Response
Recovery bill? Are you happy with the the level of
support you're getting at the moment? What's the state of
play on the West Coast?
Speaker 8 (34:04):
So out here on the West Coast we are definitely
still in drought and it's a real crisis. So yeah,
we are supportive of the new bill that's being proposed.
And one of the things that I will just say is.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
Will it while it may not be.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Perfect, nothing's perfect at the moment. So for Minister Scriven
to be able to actually be open to working with
the Shadow Minister to create something that is actually going
to hit the mark, hit the target and all of
the funding that is in the current package to be
used efficiently and effectively.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So do you think it's being tied up with red
tape at the moment? Is it just the money is there?
We're seventy three million dollars the state government allocated is
it not getting to where it needs to be.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Well, absolutely, it's not. I mean I don't know me
many people on farm household allowance out here because the
parameters are so low and so tied to actually qualify
for farmhousehold allowance. And then a lot of the things
in the current package you can only qualify if you're
on farm household allowance, the infrastructure grant, there is no
cash flow, so people can't you know, they don't want
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to spend things like putting in a new rain wood,
a tank or something like that if there's no cash
flow that they've got to put up front in the
hope that then they'll receive a subsidy to assist them.
So yeah, there's just a few things I think in
the long term that funding package. Yes, okay, there was
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there's some areas that do assist farmers, but the crisis
hasn't been addressed. And also, while yes, there may be
some more red tape and some more consultation with this
new bill, of course, I feel like farmers have actually
had direct access to Nicholas center Fante and farmers have
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been able to express to her directly what we need,
and so often out here we feel very forgotten. We're
very remote and we're in the far west of the state.
And to have someone to be able to listen to
our needs and to be able to actually cut through
from you know, cut through to try and contact our
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peak bodies and have our peak bodies advocate for us.
That is another process for us. So it's when people
are in crisis, we want to cut through all the
processes in the best way possible to receive the help.
And farmers don't actually want to be doing this. We
would prefer to just get on with our job and
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that's feeding the state and contributing to the state economy
in such.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
A huge way.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And now, Susie, you put it so well, thank you
for your time today. It's Susie Kenny, West Coast farmer
and author. With the situation, generally, feeling the the people
on the land seem to be pleased that the opposition
is put forward at start Response and Recovery. Bill, I
think it'd be fair to say the feeling is that
we want bilateral support. The farmers want bilateral support because
this is an issue that's affecting the state. It shouldn't
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be a political football. We need to help the farmers
overcome the impact of the drought, the drought that's gone
on for about three years. Now, what are your thoughts?
Love to hear them, mate, double two three doubled doow
double ow five double A Mornings with Graham, Goodings, good
morning to you on this Thursday, June the nineteenth, We
find you well. Hi Graham, My wife got bitten on
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the ankle in the dark at Linear Park on a
walk at Clemsy at six o'clock recently by a staffy
off a leash, only just grabbed the dog by the
collar and ran off, saying sorry, Mark from Windsor Gardens
High Graham, my wife Yes, as a repeat of that,
thank you for that Mark, Morning Gigi. Why doesn't the
governor just give farmers money up front, say fifty k
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what ever gives them support, then pay back at zero
interest over a number of years. Find the money. Well,
there's no question that the government has the money. There's
allocated seventy three million dollars. I would like to know
to the dollar how much they've handed out so far,
because with a drought, the need is now, not in
three months time, six months time, the need is absolutely now.
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So if the government has the money. What is the
red tape, what is blocking? What is stopping? You know
what bureaucracy operates like. So there is obviously an issue there.
But the farmers just need a leg up. They don't
want freebies, they don't want handouts. At a low interest loan,
A low interest loan would seem to be appropriate. I
wonder if Chris Bown is listening. Probably not the Energy Minister.
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Hopefully this gets to him. The transmission giant delivering the
role out of renewables infrastructure, is advocated for authorities to
accelerate the development of gas plants and retain a buffer
of coal after warning the power grid has been stripped
thin of supply now. According to The Australian, the nation's
largest electricity transmission company, Transgrid, pointed to volatile conditions of
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Victoria in the last week, where a cold snap and
energy shortages spanning fossil fuels through to renewables led to
massive price spikes and security unease. Transgrid chief executive Brett Redman,
a former boss of AGL, said it was time to
prioritize putting more buffer back into the system. He says,
we've really stripped the system very very thin, and so
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the events a couple of years ago where we nearly
saw widespread outages, and even what's happening in Victoria in
the last couple of weeks. We're in this world now
where you cannot predict exactly when it will happen. He says.
The probability of more and more failures of units and
coal fire generators, or unforeseen weather events, you name it,
he says, it's going to happen. Mister Redmond says, because
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we've stripped out all our buffers, it's left us very exposed.
And the risk to transition is that people lose confidence
in the system because on those days where things go wrong,
no one's going to wad are here explained to them?
Statistically that seem very unlikely. Even as people are taking
coal sharers. So, Chris Bowen, are you listening. People within
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the industry are saying, all well and good renewables, but
we need to retain a buffer of coal and gas
because there will be situations and circumstances. And you can
talk about the odds and the reliability and the predictability
and the possibility. The point is we need power and
plenty of it. Twenty four to seven seven days a week,
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every month, every year into the future. But there's no
guarantee of that at the moment, and there's certainly no
guarantee of prices coming down because they always head up.
A double two to three double is my number. The
five convenience stores have been shut down by the CBS.
These stores selling ilicit tobacco and vapes. Will be taking
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up the matter with Andrew Michaels, the Minister for Consumer
and Business Affairs. A little bit later on we have
our legal chat of course Johnston with us practice ly
that Tim Darney will join us. Eight double two three
double o double Oh is the number to get in
early with your questions. Lots more happening on the show.
I hope you'll stay with us.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I had a very good morning to you. Well, we
heard in the news with Kendall the state government has
agreed to ban gambling on public transport trains, buses and
trams and associated infrastructure. The Council Legislative Council passed the
motion last night with unanimous multi partisan support. So what
do you think, good move banning gambling on public transport,
not banning gambling, banning gambling advertising. I think they should
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read are they going to stop you with playing two
up on the two ups illegal? Isn't it?
Speaker 6 (41:38):
This?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Isn't it so that you can play two up legally
only on Anzac Day? I think that's right? Is that still?
Is that an old wives tale? Or is that the
way it is? But yeah, banning advertising of gambling companies.
I must say, the gambling ads on television are very clever.
Don't like them. There's way too many of them, but
they are very clever and that's easy to see one
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of the suck you win. So let us know if
you think that it's a good move that the government's
banning gambling advertising on public transport. Graham, what is wrong
with this government? The farmers are the core of the
food chain, so says Helen. Yeah, look, I'm a little
bit concerned. The government has this seventy three million dollar
amount of money set to save the farmers, to help
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the farmers, but there seems to be a little bit
of trouble getting it out the other end, A lot
of help is getting out there, but are not enough
because we keep getting this feedback of farmers saying all
well and good but we have to jump through too
many hoops and we need the assistance. We need the
help right now. Why are we not looking at cloud
seating technology? Surely this would be a better use of funds.
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USA is actively using this, China is regenerating deserts with it.
It's not as simple as that. I've done some research
into cloud seeding and all well and good. It is
pretty much hit or miss. But you need certain elements
and certain environments that you need specific timeaps of clouds,
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clouds with enough moisture. Much of South Eastradia we have
an arid or semi arid climate and it is not
conducive to producing cloud we'd have very few clouds. I'm
looking out now and the clouds are dispersing, but they're
not necessarily the right form of clouds. Cloud seeding is
expensive to do and the results. I'm sure they would
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have tried it, but the suggestion is that, particularly in
states like South Aastralia, dry places, it is counterintuitive. I
guess that why not seed the clouds because there is
no moisture in those clouds. Probably someone who knows a
lot more about that than me, as David and the
Adelaide Hills, David, good morning to you.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
Good morning, and as a person who is a farmer,
it is treacherous times. But I'm intually going to lean
in for you as an adelaide person. First, calm me.
Desalinating water is bottled electricity, and we all know how
expensive it is in our homes and businesses.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Sure, I was.
Speaker 10 (43:54):
Doing some digging around the SA Water website last night.
It would appear we are still running the de cell
plant FLATNAC. According to the SA WATERWAK one D and
the reservoirs which are not connected to the D cell
plant are in basic single digits ten twelve percent. The
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average across the entire network this time last year was
forty five percent. This year we're just over thirty five percent.
And that thirty five percent is only being achieved not
by inflows, because you are going to have subsidized fifty
cent a killer wat and you don't want to think
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how many gigawatts the D cell plant goes through a
day to get your nice green lawn.
Speaker 7 (44:43):
Be warned.
Speaker 10 (44:44):
Drought affects me as a farmer, but it's going to
make your elector your water bills look like telephone numbers.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
It's the coming now, David, you're a very learned gentleman,
and I make the point in it from a naive position.
I know that we haven't built a new dam or
reservoir in this nation for forty years or so.
Speaker 10 (45:06):
It's longer than that. The last major mount Bold had
an extra few feet put on it just within my
lifetime in the early seventies, and that is the last
major change we have made. Now. The problem is damming
waters always is going to place displace somebody. It's always
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going to annoy somebody. But unfortunately, you plan to succeed
or you fail. Now you look at other nations that
are bolting ahead. For instance, we don't want to become
with their political system, but China has built the Three
Gorges Dam, which means that they effectively will never have
a problem with electricity or water again. They've installed ultra
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high voltage distribution across their entire nation, interconnecting their entire nation.
We need our lead is desperately to take that money
that we give them the approaching tax time again and
invest in nation building projects. And yes, it will not
celebrate them during their lifetime because these projects take a
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long time. But if you don't build the dam. If
you don't build the interconnection, if you don't start by
breaking that first rock to dig that hole, it will
never happen and we will fundamentally become poorer. And we
are banking on our fore bears at this stage. What
are we building for the next generation? We need to
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look and go do we need to be ashamed of
that we have not created prosperity.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
You've put it beautifully, David. We've talked on the show
about times that's so much water in the north of
the nation, so little in the south of the nation.
They've had the Bradfield scheme, the revised Bradfield scheme, all
too hard, too difficult. But as a time we started
relooking at things like that.
Speaker 10 (47:00):
Well, even if we get I would go like piping
water is very expensive and very difficult. If we interconnected
our power grid, yes it would berendously expensive. But there
are times where, because we across so much of the
dateline where you know you're getting out it's nine o'clock
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at night here in South Australia, we could be pulling
solar energy from wa with a sun still up. Use
a proper interconnection of the grid to run a de
celle unit from an excess of wind and solar which
is never not going to be blowing somewhere in Australia.
It's we have some across this nation about eighteen hours
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a day in summer from Victoria to the corner of
Wa and about fifteen odd during the winter. We can,
by investing in smart interconnection, create a grid which will
work for us, providing us a plethor of energy cheaply available,
allowing us to create prosperity, but instead will remain these
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isolated islands where we're always grasping for that last wat
and of course that last what is where these big
players then come in and go, well, you know your
game's going to fail. That last what is going to
cost you and you see, oh I really don't want
to have to drop that card, but if I don't,
the game fails, so we must.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah. Look, I agree one hundred percent with you, David.
And the issue is that governments are looking to the
next term. They're not looking to the next generation of Australians.
It's all about survival.
Speaker 10 (48:40):
They are looking for that sugar fix when the next
election they can go, look, we gave you X y
Z in the last election, we had the opposition saying
they were going to give us a sugar fix of
one year discounted fuel pricing. Now, let's nice and dandy,
hate drop the index thing for one side, you know,
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do something that goes on forever. And their inability to
prosecute the case about Nu Killer was purely shameful, they
said it, and it's basically buried it under a pile
of pete. If you're going to light a fire, you
need to tend it. What is wrong with our leaders?
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Ah? Well, you've summed it up there, David, always great
to chat. Thanks so much for your time today. A
lot of food for thought if you'd like to comment
on what David has had to say. Helen says Graham.
All governments do not care about the next generation. It's
all about them, No, Helen, that is dead right. They
can look you straight in the face and say we
are interested in your welfare, but they're really behind the scenes.
They're saying we're really interested in being reelected next time round.
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Wendy says, we don't need more dams if there is
no rain. Now, Wendy, there is always going to be rain.
There is always going to be rain. All right, and
I've had that argument before. It's no point building a dam,
it's not raining. Well, the last time that was said
then we had, you know, called rainfalls. The Murray was
in flood. There will be rain. We need to build
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the damned for the future, you know, to sort of
say our Well, we can use desail plants. As David said,
it's bottled bottled energy that the de cel plant needs
huge amounts of energy to run. Who is paying for
that energy? Who is paying for that power? You're paying
for it, I'm paying for it. Do you want to
keep paying for it? Good luck to you, five double
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A Mornings with Graham Goodings, twenty past ten, five double
A on this Thursday morning. Don't forget we have our
legal segment coming up at ten thirty. Any questions for
our legal friends from Johnson Withers ring in the eight
double two to three, double the number to ring Well.
The government is stepping up its campaign to stamp out
the sale of illicit tobacco and vapes. To tell us
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more about it to Minister for Consumer and Business Affairs
Andrew Michaels, Minister, good morning.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
To you, good morning, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
This program or problem has been running out of control?
What are you doing to counter it?
Speaker 8 (51:01):
So on the fist of during we had the commencement
of new laws that allow twenty eight day closures, we
just had some targeted activity in the CBD which resulted
in five stores being closed, four of those for twenty
eight days, which is a positive step, really indicating how
seriously we're taking this and it's making a difference.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
And what long term impact do you hope it has.
I mean, these five unlicensed premises I believe are shut
down for seventy two hours, what would you hope to
achieve by doing that?
Speaker 8 (51:34):
So four of them have been shut down using the
new powers for twenty eight days. That's a significant debt
in any business that needs to shut down and continue
paying rents for a whole month. These were also previously
targeted with seventy two hour closures. Of course with the
new laws we've been able to shut them down for
twenty eight days if they want to open within that
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twenty eight days, opening themselves out to further prosecution penalties
of one point one million dollars, So you know it's
really making a dent. We've taken thirty four million dollars
of product off the streets. So we certainly continue to
tackle this and fair warning to anyone who thinks they
can get away with it.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
So you've shut down these and I guess checks are
going on around the city and around the state to
shut down others. Do you have any concept of how
many of these illicit premises are operating?
Speaker 10 (52:26):
Oh, we don't.
Speaker 8 (52:27):
We're really relying on the communityy community to report through.
There's an online porter you can report through to CBS.
You can remain anonymous. We take that information. CBS works
as staphole as well, and we certainly are targeting right
across the state regions Metropoplitan now that adelaide and of
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course the CBD ones were particularly targeted in the last week.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Have you been getting any kickback from the retailers.
Speaker 8 (52:55):
Yes, I think they're relatively unhappy with what we're doing.
Of course that are around those stores are really positive
feedback because it is a danger to our community to
have these stores running. Not only the health risks of
selling a listed tobacco and vapes, but obviously we know
there's organized crime elements as part of this, so it
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really does pose danger to those residents and those businesses
around these illegal stores, so very positive feedback from them.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Do they have any right of appeal?
Speaker 8 (53:30):
They can also this decision to be reviewed through an
internal review and then a process that goes through to
sake out the tribunal. We haven't had one of those yet.
I think they realize there's probably not much chance when
they're caught doing the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
It's obviously easier to track them down in metropolitan areas,
but what about regional areas.
Speaker 8 (53:52):
Yeah, so sort of about twenty five percent of our
work is out in the regions, and we have actually
done a lot of workout through the mid North even
to the southeast, so we are actually targeting a lot
in the regions as well. We know they're popping up
all over the place. We have done a lot of
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work in this space, so we really are genuinely leading
the nation in this. We're getting calls through from interstate
agencies asking us how we're doing what we're doing. We
had a national I guess a report card that came
out and we were rated an A plus from top
in the nation for the work that we've been doing.
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So we're making a dent. We know it's a big problem,
but we're certainly indicating to those people involved in this
sort of illegal trade that they are definitely a welcome
here in South Australia.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Anry Michaels, thanks for your time today, a Minister for
Consumer and Business Affairs, the crackdown on the sale of
elicit tobacco and vapes. Well for your chance to head
along and see the roberts and Brothers on either Wednesday,
June twenty five at Her Majesty's or Sunday June twenty
nine at the Barossa Arts Center, Tonnder Give me a
call right now, eight double two three double o double five,
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eight double two three double oh double five. The fourth
caller will win the prize. The Robertson Brothers a Majesty's
here at a Wednesday twenty night. Wednesday night, twenty fifth
of June, Barossa Arts Center Sunday afternoon June twenty nine.
Really entertaining if you love your music, if you love
music of the fifty sixties and seventies, so the Robertson
(55:28):
Brothers are going to be right up your alley. Eight
double two three double O double five. You could be
the winner. Laurie, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 11 (55:38):
So icon this morning on the back to show regard
traveling and our traveling and social media don't need to
mix sometime.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, sure, tell me about it.
Speaker 11 (55:46):
And so gentlemen went to Los Angeles who arrived at
the airport and he got his visa canceled at sent home.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Oh that's right, Yes, I said, he's made.
Speaker 11 (55:56):
On social media. Now in my case, no, social media
doesn't have my rural name on it. I actually use
the first two letters of each of my name to
identify my social media. But also only I have my
social media private, and I also delete my posts every
four weeks, So every four weeks I go through and
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wipe out any posts.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
So I do have on there, right, So do you
you're saying some pretty inflammatory things? Are you suggesting that?
Speaker 11 (56:25):
Not at all? But the problem is that you come
as if you make a comment, if you make a
slow comment on somebody else's comment regards social media. Let's
say somebody attacks Trump, yeah, and I defend Trump. Then
a whole bunch of other people attack what I'm saying,
and then I stand my ground and defend myself again.
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But then I go to a country that's anti Trump,
and I'm pro Trump, those comments could get me, you know,
could prevent me from entering that country. That country's anti Trump.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
You can get yourself into real trouble without even trying,
Without even.
Speaker 11 (56:58):
Trying for that, employers now check social media. I'm an employer.
I employed just over four hundred people at our interview process.
I check social media, and I have not employed people
because of the In two particular people, they were pro
Nazi and they had various defamatory comments regards Jewish people
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and arean race and so on, And I didn't employ
them because of what they've written that were pro Nazi
type comments.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
And if they hadn't put that on social media, you
wouldn't have been aware of it.
Speaker 11 (57:33):
I would have had no clue. I've had people who
have checked the social media and they're standing in front
of marijuana plants. Well, I'm not going to employ that
person either, because in my industry, I can't have anybody
as stilly I associated with any sort of drugs.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
So you're using social media as an employment tool to
weed out those that you don't want to have working
for it.
Speaker 11 (57:56):
Ninety percent of employment agencies and employers HR people will
check social media.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, good on your Laurie. Thanks for you call. To
be warned is to be forearmed, isn't it So? If
you're putting stuff on social media and I look, I've
said this to my boys going back a few years,
be very careful what you put on social media. What
you put on right now might be really harmless, just
doesn't really mean anything. But a few years down the track,
a prospective employer might look at that and it might
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make them think, Hmmm, not so sure about this person.
So always realize that anything you put on social media,
even if it's only there for five minutes, someone will
record it and keep it and it's there forever. So
be careful. We have a winner going along to see
the Robertson Brothers at her majesty seat at Wednesday night,
June twenty five, the Barossa Arts Center. Sunday afternoon, June
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twenty ninth, Joanne at Modbury Heights. Congratulations to you. I
know you're going to enjoy the show.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Two eleven five Double A on a Thursday morning. This
being Thursday morning, of course, time for legal segment with
the compliments of Johnston Withers with over seventy five years
legal experience, Johnston Withers dot com dot A. You and
I welcome to the studio, Tim Downey, and you have
a guest for us at today, Tim.
Speaker 12 (59:12):
I do Graham. I've got Robin from our office, who
is our family law specialist. So we're very welcome.
Speaker 13 (59:19):
Good morning, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
It's a painless exercise. Don't you worry here till guide
you by the hand. It's all very.
Speaker 12 (59:25):
Absolutely, I've only broken down in tears once.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Can't blame me for that, you're was that my fault?
Speaker 12 (59:35):
No, no, no, not at all. So we've got Robin
on Graham because there's been some recent changes to the
Family Law Act, right, and in fact they take effect
or just took effect last week. So Robin walked through those.
But I'd welcome any callers to call, particularly in relation
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to if they've got any specific family law issues. It's
obviously a little bit difficult to bring up at radio
station if you want to get advice and your wife
might be listening. So we assume that we're happy if
it's an assumed name. So, yeah, Robin, do you want
to sort of walk through some of these major changes?
Speaker 14 (01:00:21):
Yes, certainly, certainly, So tenth of June, which was Tuesday
last week, the Act change the main changes to the
Actor in relation to financial or property settlements, and they
focus on some main areas, which is how family violence
will affect division of assets in a relationship breakdown. They
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also deal with ownership of pets, and just some minor
issues in relation to disclosure requirements, disclosure of documents, and
also some minor amendments to divorce proceedings.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
When it comes to family violence, is that physical violence
or emotional violence or all forms of violence?
Speaker 14 (01:01:05):
Yeah, Look, the definition in the Act has been expanded
now so it includes physical violence, but it also recognizes
economic and financial abuse, coercive control, all of those sorts
of things. Now that the court can take into account.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
What if someone is midway through something in the family court,
does that change and when do they abound by the
original rules or what happens?
Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
No, the new rules will apply if that matter goes
to trials, So they apply from anything that happens in
the court after tenth of June.
Speaker 12 (01:01:39):
So what's the in terms of how that's going to
affect the family violence the new provisions? How is that
going to affect a financial settlement? For example.
Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
So up until now we've been guided by what previous
court cases have said about family violence and its effects
on property settlements. It's now in the act, it's going
to be clearer for everyone as to what happens from here.
But the crux of it is that if there has
been family violence that has resulted in someone not being
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able to contribute to the relationship financially or as a
homemaker or parent, So that involves family violence where someone's
not able to go out and work and contribute to
the family, or violence that affects the way that they
can do things around the home or look after the kids.
Then that will result in an adjustment in their favor
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in the property settlement.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
If you have a question for Robin or Tim, give
us a call now eight double two three double double O.
And Robin is expert in family and divorce law. What's
the situation if there's a partnership breakup and one of
the partners goes crazy with the money and start spending
and trips overseas in a Lamborghini and so forth like that.
Speaker 14 (01:02:54):
Yes, yeah, well that's another form of abuse. Is wasted
or deliberately running down the poll so that the other
party can't get anything at the end of it, So
things like wasting money on trips overseas or deliberately incurring
debts and liabilities to reduce the size of the poll
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is a form of abuse and all of those will
be looked at very carefully by the court to see
whether any adjustment needs to be made to account for those.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
When we heard the changes in the law, something that
a lot of people responded to was pet ownership. Yes,
and the fact that people are meeting thought, oh, never
thought about that, and there's way the kids and so forth.
But what happens with the pets.
Speaker 14 (01:03:36):
Yes, yeah, it's a sad thing that it's included in
the property section of the Act. But there hasn't traditionally
been anything about pets in the Family Law Act, but
there is now. The court can only order sole ownership,
so there won't be any custody agreements in relation to pets,
and the way that they work out who will have
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ownership of the pet is by looking at background factors
like who bought the pet, what name is it registered in?
But family violence comes into play here too, So if
there's been family violence that have been directed towards a pet,
then that will be taken into consideration, as well as
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any attachment to the pet by a party or a child,
especially with pets that are used for companion animals for
people with disabilities or neurodivergency, then that will all be
taken into account when working out who's going to get
the pet in the relationship breakdown.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
When it comes to partners in this sort of situation,
what sort of documentation and documents do they need to disclose?
And what happens if you decided not to?
Speaker 14 (01:04:50):
Yes, yeah, So the first step in any property settlement
is to work out what's actually in the asset, Paul,
and we do that by way of disclosure. Parties to
produce to the other side copies of documents like bank statements,
super statements, tax returns, pay slips, all of that kind
of thing to get a true picture of the financial
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situation of the relationship. Up until now, that requirement has
been in the family law rules and not actually in
the Act. Moving it to the Act has meant that
there are quite serious penalties if you do not disclose documents,
and those penalties cost penalties. They can actually take into
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account non disclosure in working out your overall property settlements.
So if you've done the wrong thing and haven't disclosed,
then that could go against you. So it's an imperative
first step to this whole process.
Speaker 12 (01:05:47):
And that's a classic thing, isn't it In the self
employed When you've got a self employed couple, or at
least one party to the couple is a self employed
it's often the mail. He's often running a business or
a company on the side, and that's when that disclosure
becomes really really critical, doesn't it to the other partner?
Speaker 13 (01:06:11):
It does?
Speaker 14 (01:06:12):
It does, And if the disclosure documents don't make it
clear as to what that might be worth or what
the income is, then you might actually have to get
other experts in accountants or a valuer to determine what
the value of that business is.
Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 12 (01:06:29):
Really what a lot of these court a lot of
the cases come down to, that, isn't it is this
trying to determine really what is the wealth of the
quite often the mail, and what his business wealth is
and having a trial about that.
Speaker 14 (01:06:44):
Yes, yes, and specifically what the contributions to that are,
either directly by the other party to the business or
indirectly by being the one that's at home doing everything
else so that that person can go out and run
that business successfully.
Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah, if you have a question for Tim or Robin,
give us a call now eight double two to three
double double. Oh, if we can move on from a
family law at the moment. Two nervous shock claims. You
witness something that is disturbing in some way, something can
be horrific. Do you have redressed? Do you have right
to claim on it?
Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (01:07:19):
It's a long established area of English law is the
nervous shock claim. It goes back, you know, many many years.
So it's the whole idea that the nervous shock itself
causes a psychiatric injury. So it causes the injury, and
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that injury is then potentially compensible. So this is a
very very broad area of personal injury law. So it
might be that you've witnessed a car accident and by
witnessing that triggered an emotional response and then as a
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result of that, you know you've suffered the injury. So
in that sort of situation, you have to prove that
you have a psychiatric injury, and we do that by
getting a diagnosis from a doctor and then we look
at well, how does that psychiatric injury affect the person.
So that might be someone who is, for example, a
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courier driver and they're no longer able to work, so
that'll have a very large claim. So that's your sort
of really you know, garden variety sort of nervous shock
claim that we see, but there's restrictions around all of that.
So you then look at claims like the death of
a loved one. So if in the tragic circumstances of
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someone dying on the road, a parent will also potentially
have a claim all right as a result of that.
And that's because the shock of being told of that
catastrophe or that tragedy causes the same sort of emotional response.
So again a parent would have that sort of claim.
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A sister or a brother might, but they're excluded from
the act from being able to claim in the case
of a fatality like that. So those claims for nervous
shock are restricted to particular class and it's really got
to be wife or mother or father or vice versa.
So it's not as broad as your sister. If your
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sister was killed in a car accident, you don't have
a right of claim unless you witnessed it and there's
a whole lot of law about that. It's about the
actual witnessing of the event. So there's cases where someone's
driven past a scene of an injury which involved a
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loved one, but they didn't actually see the accident, so
that excludes them. So it's quite particular about what the
law will let in and let out. But nervous shock
even more generally. You know, you can happen in a
medical negligence environment where someone dies in hospital as a
result of negligence. And again if it's if that is
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your wife or husband, you would have that claim on
being told of the circumstances of that tragedy, then you
are diagnosed rap. So that's the sort of nature of it.
It's been expanded at the end of last year by
the High Court in relation to employment, where someone was
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successful in a nervous shock claim on being told that
they were being dismissed all right, ultimately in circumstances that
were found to be unlawful. There was an allegation made
against this person of that he'd done something in his employment.
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They sacked him, then subsequently he disputed that took them
to court. The reasoning was looked into more carefully, and
it was identified that in fact, the person that had
made the allegations had made them up and so and
this chap had suffered such a sort of nervous reaction
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as a result of being sacked that you just had
never returned to work. And the court found, well, that's
a legitimate nervous shock claim. So you can see the
court and the law will apply that quite broadly in
those cases.
Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
So what about is something slightly removed. You're walking down
the street and you look up a twenty story building
and someone jumps out and falls and hits the ground
in front of you. You don't know who they are. Would
you have right to a nervous shock claim?
Speaker 12 (01:11:49):
You would, but you know, in a rather morbid way,
you'd be having to sue the person that did that,
and they wouldn't be able to necessarily pay you. Now,
in those exact circumstances, however, you may have a cause against,
for example, the building, if there wasn't appropriate safety features,
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So if you could allege that in some way the
nature of that building, the way it was designed, and
particularly of course, you know, taking away someone that jumped
out on purpose, if someone fell and you saw it
and they fell in negligent circumstances, then you would certainly
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have a claim and that would lead that you know,
I see a lot of nervous shock claims and they
can be a little bit if he let's just say,
some of them. You really wonder how much nervous shock
someone would suffer. But in a case like that, i'd
you know, I can really imagine how that would be
the case. And so you'd be looking at, well, why
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did that person fall, how did they fall and that
happen in negligent circumstances?
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
In a legitimate claim, what sort of damages could you
claim for a nervous shock?
Speaker 12 (01:13:07):
So you're always looking for whether, in the first instance,
did the nervous shock has that caused that person to
be unable to work? So that's your biggest thing because
then you can claim economic loss. There would be a
claim for loosely what's called pain and suffering or non
economic loss, And depending on the nature of the fall
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or the nature of the sorry the injury, you know,
that could be a significant sum of money if it's
led to serious psychiatric injury, but it could range from
you know, mybe a smaller claim not to ten thousand
dollars up to a multiple one hundred thousand dollar claim.
In fact, the chap that was successful for nervous shock
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for the loss of his job, that was a really
significant claim in the hundreds of thousands because he was
never going to work again. So it really tends to
come back to that sort of working house. It affected
their work capacity, and a lot of that will go
to what do they do for a living? As site
claims are always very difficult, but yeah, it's a very
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broad range, Graham.
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
From the text line, someone said, Hi, Graham, with the
nervous shop claims, does that include what has posted on
social media?
Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
Well, that'll be that is a really really good question,
to be honest, because that will be the sort of
envelope that someone ultimately will push. So, for instance, if
we go back to the terrible incident in New Zealand,
which was god it was probably six or seven years
ago where the basically the terrorists he went into a
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mosque and live streamed you know, him shooting people and
the whatever the platform was, I can't remember. They just
let it role live for some time before it was
taken down. So really, on the face of it, why
would there potentially not be a claim there for that
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nervous shock. Now, you know, you've got to get really
good evidence. You've got to be able to and for
anyone listening and that happens to them, the critical thing
is to get to a doctor and talk about it.
It doesn't look like a very strong claim if the
person hasn't seen a doctor and it's six months later,
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but for someone like that that could be very triggering.
They get a doctor that says yes, that is definitely
triggering and they end up having issues, then that'd have
a potential claim. The platform is going to argue that, well,
what can we do about it? You know that they'll say,
you know, we have reasonable, we put up reasonable you know,
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firewalls or whatever they might say. But there's no reason
that could not be a legitimate class.
Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
A Mornings with Gram Goodings.
Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
And it's our Johnston Withers Legal segment as always on
a Thursday morning, A double two three double o double O.
If you have a legal question, Barry has one.
Speaker 15 (01:16:15):
Barry go ahead, Hi, Hi there, Graham and Kim.
Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Hello Barry.
Speaker 15 (01:16:23):
Just with regards to proby it could you just tell
us what probate is and what a lawyer should charge
for doing probate?
Speaker 12 (01:16:35):
All right, thanks, Barry, going.
Speaker 13 (01:16:36):
To throw that to Robin morning, Barry.
Speaker 14 (01:16:40):
So, what probate is is basically a validation of the
will and it gives the league of the executive the
legal right to deal with the assets. So it's a
process where the will is produced to the court together
with a details of the assets and liabilities of the estate,
and the court issues probate, which gives the executor the
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legal authority to go and deal with those assets, so
sell them, transfer them to beneficiaries whatever the will instructs.
Speaker 15 (01:17:12):
Right, And what sort of cost would it involve?
Speaker 14 (01:17:16):
Yeah, Look, in terms of costs, it depends on how
complex the estate is, and whether you're engaging someone just
to do probate or whether you're engaging them to do
everything that results from the will, for example, doing the
transfers or calling in shares and all sorts of things
like that. But generally you should be looking at around
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the three to five thousand dollar mark, I would say
for a probate application and a simpler state.
Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Right, Okay, right, Gonnia Barry. Thanks for call eight double
two three double if you have a question from the
text line hi GG, could you please ask the lawyers
about moral injury? Okay, Tim over to you.
Speaker 12 (01:18:00):
Thank you. That's a very interesting question. I did get
a call yesterday from someone who had been told they'd
got a rental. They'd been said, Yep, you've ticked all
the boxes, the rental has been approved, only then about
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five hours later to get another call saying, oh, very
sorry to tell you that the application actually has been rejected.
We just noticed that you hadn't worked for the full
two years previously, so we can't offer you the house anymore. Now.
That's a sad story because it goes to our rental
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absolute crisis that we're facing here, and a lot of
hardship people are facing. In any event, this caused the person,
not surprisingly, to be very very upset, and they rang
to say could they sue because of their harm, the
harm they felt, the mental anguish that they'd experienced as
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a result of being told they're in and then being
told they're out. Is that a moral injury? I'm not sure?
Or is a moral injury just someone like you don't
like Donald Trump and you don't like his morals and
that's caused you injury, or maybe it's something you've seen
on social media. So maybe the question is around they've
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seen something on social media, or it might be women
that wear exercise gear around that looks like they're not
wearing much and that causes the moral damage. I don't know.
There's certainly not a cause of action for moral harm,
so I can say that for sure, and I think
the best thing to do is for the people to
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ring up and you know, complain to talk back radio
about how their morals have been cast a savagage. I
really don't think there's a cause of action.
Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
For moral harm, and it's difficult when you get one line.
So Jill, thank you for your question. That you've probably
pose more questions than yes, we've got answers. Yeah, Hi Graham.
Can you get money if injured by a scooter by
a child or adult and a shopping center, especially when
security do nothing.
Speaker 12 (01:20:15):
Yes, that's the big Yes. In an environment where you
ought to be additionally protected, like if you're inside a
shopping center, then you could definitely try to claim against
the shopping center, and I think that that'd be probably actionable.
The shopping center would probably say, well, look, we put
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signs up to say they're not allowed to have their
scooters in here, and we've got Bill and Fred the
security men that walk around, but they can't stop every
kid getting in, right, So I think it might be
a bit specific to the fact. So you need to
be able to show we'll hang on this kid's been
in this riding round on this scoot for ten minutes,
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or this kid does this every other day and Bill
and Fred haven't stopped him yet. So I think you'd
would certainly be a case I would look at, because really,
we're walking around a shopping center, right, We're not going
to be expecting some kid to come flying out of
somewhere on a scooter.
Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
And hit us.
Speaker 12 (01:21:20):
You know, I've got these sorts of cases from the
mall that's a little bit different, although there's there's certainly
an aspect of that here where you know, why should
anyone in the mall be flying around on a scooter?
So that this scooter issue is we're seeing now doctors
coming out I noticed him Perth recently where from a
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doctor from the Royal Perth Hospital came out and said
something has to be done. These scooter injuries are out
of control.
Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Thanks for that. Good on your tim no problem, Thank you,
Thank you, Robin, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 13 (01:21:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
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Graham Goodings, Good morning to you. I see unemployment rate
remain steady at four point one percent. Kendall will have
all last on that in the Southern Stradman figure in
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the news at midday while Premier Peter Malanaskis has unveiled
a plan to fast build homes using prefabricated construction methods,
announcing a tender for one hundred and twenty homes in
a pilot project. He said prefabricated housing was an innovative
way to deliver more homes faster. Foors, walls, roof panels
and other key components will be manufactured off the building
site before being assembled in locations across the state. This
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innovative pilot is just one way we can work with
industry to solve the challenges in housing, the premier said.
But wait a minute, isn't this just a relaunch of
a program already announced in the federal budget three months ago.
Treasurer Jim Chalmers said the federal government will invest fifty
four million dollars to support the construction of prefabricated and
modular home builds as part of the twenty twenty five
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federal budget. He said the majority of the money will
be given to the states and territories to invest in
programs that grow the prefab and modular housing industry, while
an additional four point seven million will be spent on
developing voluntary national certification processes for off site construction that
will streamline the approvals. So unless this is a new
modular home plan on top of the FEDS plan, this
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is recycled news. But let's face it, effort eases the
housing crisis, then bring it on. Eight double two three
double O double The numbered Ring. A story that was
on seven News the other night that horrified me and
no doubt you too if you saw it. An adle
woman was devastated after a thirteen year old little pup
wasn't so much a pup dog with tiny little puppy Lulu,
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fatally mauled by an off leash staffy cross at Croydon
and Verma said the dog launched at them, leaving Lulu
with horrific injuries. The attackers own a fled without offering
help or contact details. The incident has sparked renewed concern
over off leash dogs in public parks, and significant reforms
to dog and cat laws, including banning puppy farms, expanding
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feral cat eradication, and increasing penalties for dog owners that
attack people and other animals, has passed state parliament. So
to talk to us principally about the dog issue is
canine relationship coach and dog club owner Daniel Tropiano. Daniel,
good morning to you.
Speaker 16 (01:24:19):
How are you today, Yeah, good morning, Graham, Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
It's a pleasure. Now you're involved with the dog. So
that's the angle we'll look at. There are obviously far
too many of these cases where dogs uncontrolled, and this
case mauled and killed a small dog, but it could
just as easily have been a young child.
Speaker 16 (01:24:39):
I totally agree with you. I've been waving my hands
about this issue on five over the last couple of years.
The problem is is that we have a systemic failure here,
and we can make all the changes to the acts,
which is a reactive response to a traumatic situation. It's
not going to stop these dog attacks from happening. It
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may create a bigger consequence to the people once they happen,
but we're still going to experience the trauma before we
even address the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
So what do we need to do.
Speaker 16 (01:25:11):
Well, again, we need to work with the industry in
order to come up with some sort of regulations, whether
that's on the front end of dog ownership. We need
to have some sort of compelling system where we need
to make dog owners aware of the fact that when
you keep these animals, there's a serious amount of work
that needs to go into them to make sure that
they can be productive in our society. And those people
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that buy dogs at the minute and how clueless to that,
are not going to be reading the Act to see
what punishments they may face if the dog is responsible
for a dun ac attack. Because most of these people
they will tell you that, well, my dog has never
shown me signs of doing this until the day that
it happened. We're going to have more and more problems.
Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I mean, any dog can bine, there's no question about that.
But isn't it the case that there are certain breeds
of dogs that are more prone to be quite vicious.
Speaker 16 (01:26:02):
Oh, like we have breeds that are bred for jobs. Yes,
of course there's certain jobs that require a different type
of character in the dog. The thing that remains the
same is that we have a standard that we need
to live by in society, and it doesn't matter what
sort of person you are, you still need to follow
that standard of behavior. And the fact is is that
we don't have that same approach when it comes to
the dog world. We think that we need to make
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these dogs bouncing off the walls, excited and happy to
be wherever they are, and all this arousal is just
covering some nervous dogs underneath, and it's going to lead
to more and more problems. Again, so from a training perspective,
what we would like to see is a realistic approach
to the training aspect of these animals. The thing is
that stood out in the Deputy Premier's media release, or
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the media release I was sent quoting the Deputy Premiere
was that she said that these punishments are going to
act as a great deterrence. Now I'm happy for the
fact that she used the word punishment, because if you
look in all the literature coming from the Dog and
Cat Management Board, the RSPCA, nearly every counsel in our state,
they all say that punishment has no place in behavior modification.
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But that's just not the case, and that's why the
whole system fails. Even a training perspective, the narrative is
that you cannot punish these dogs. It's punishment that is
going to come into play, which is going to keep
dogs in society to a standard of behavior that's necessary.
Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
So you believe that every dog should have to be trained.
I do.
Speaker 16 (01:27:29):
I definitely believe that even a little shits. It doesn't
matter the breed, doesn't matter what sort of person we are,
doesn't matter if we're big or small. We all have
to follow the rules.
Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And this is the thing, isn't it. I Mean, you
get a lot of people say, look, I've just got
a little lap dog and it wouldn't hurt a fly.
But you're suggesting that every dog needs to be trained.
Speaker 16 (01:27:49):
Well, you look at the little lap dog, right, Nana's
little white multi shits do and walks down the street
and is barking at everything that it sees. Now that
same behavior is the start a potential by risk, Right,
So just the fact that it's a little white dog
doesn't mean that it's not on the pathway to potentially
biting someone. So of course every dog needs to understand
the rules.
Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
So where do we start. What have we got to do?
I mean, as you've said, you know, imposing strict fines
and punishments as at the wrong end of the process.
Speaker 16 (01:28:18):
Definitely, it's the wrong end of process. The punishment is
only effective if the timing of the punishment is correct
and the size of the punishment is correct. And what
we're doing here is we're coming in way after the
fact and we're trying to give a huge punishment. But
like I said, it doesn't stop. We can put things
in place. I don't know what they are yet. But
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if we look at the same way that we build
behavior and dogs and get rid of behavior, if we
can follow the pathway that's going to lead to these
traumatic events from happening, and find a point along that
pathway that we can intervene and make sure there's checks
in place or something in order to make sure that
everyone's above board. Whether that's some sort of a dog
ownership license and you have to a crew a certain
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amount of points of sort of like professional development, but
for dog ownership along the way, whatever it is. But
we need to get people a little bit more active
when it comes to the appropriate housing of these animals.
Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
As I was saying before talking to you, this horrific
incident where this use tiny little dog was mauled to
death by a Staffy cross And now the physical size
of the dogs would mean that the little malti ear
had no chance at all. But staffy cross as are
renowned for being vicious dogs. Is there a case to
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be said for banning dogs of this nature?
Speaker 16 (01:29:37):
The banning dogs. They've tried to ban breeds in the past,
and banning breeds just sends the breeding of those breeds
into the underground. So that's not the answer either, a right,
So again we need to be a little bit more
proactive onto the whole dog ownership. Doesn't matter what dog
you're going to get, right, dog ownership is dog ownership.
You need to have a firearms license because the firearm
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can potentially cause death, and a lot of these dogs
and breeds like they can cause serious harm. Doesn't matter
what that it's an aggressive breed or whatever. We hadd
a Jack Russell and maybe a year or so Ago
at a playground attack a little child. So again it's
not the size of the breed, it's the fact that
these dogs don't they how to function in today's society
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because they're not living balanced and clear lifestyles.
Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
What advice would you have for people listening in who
have a dog or are thinking about getting a dog?
Speaker 16 (01:30:28):
Cold Dog Club so that we can guide you through
the process. We consult with people from before they even
get dogs so that we can actually take them on
a journey so they really understand what they're getting into
and we can find the appropriate sort of dog to
fit their lifestyle, and then we can guide them through
the process so they don't have any of these issues.
Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Great advice. Thanks for your time today, Daniel, great.
Speaker 10 (01:30:47):
To chat that much.
Speaker 16 (01:30:48):
Have a good run to face.
Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Daniel Tropiano, canine relationship coach. What are your thoughts folks?
Do you have a dog, do you trust it, has
it been trained? And as Daniel said, it not necessarily
the size of the dog. It just can be the
dog's demeanor. When he says, love dogs, but all dogs
should be muzzled with on the street. There was a
dog attack at a local tennis court. A small park
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near my place. The owner quickly leashed his dog and
walked off without exchanging details. The dog owner took photos
of him and warned others on social media, but as
far as I know, he wasn't located. These people need
to be outed the situation where someone has a dog
and it attacks someone else's dog and they no remorse
at all, no care, no exchange of details, and they
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just leave the scene, and that is an absolute disgrace.
And anyone that does that is I'm just going to say, subhuman.
That's probably what I mean. You know, that is just
I mean. If I had a dog and I took
it to a park and it attacked someone else's dog
and mauled it, I would be absolutely mortified, and I
would do everything in my power to rectify the situation,
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and I would exchange all the details. If they wanted
to take legal action, they would have to do it,
because I would feel responsible. These people have their dogs,
I think it's an extension of their personality. Are vicious
and do awful things to other pets and peat potentially
people too, and then accept none of the responsibility. It's
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totally totally unacceptable. What are your thoughts? Eight Double two
three double O double Oh is my number?
Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Five?
Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty two past eleven
five double A. Let's take some calls. Carl, good morning,
Hey Graham, how are you good? Thanks?
Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
Look, I guess I just want to be able to chat.
I've had this situation where my wife got bidden by
a dog, and I mean the type of dog doesn't
really matter, but this was like a small dog at
Jack Russell and I know that they tend to be
the happiest ones, but you know, I think that every
dog owner thinks that they can control their dog, that
their dog is you know, somewhat answerable to them, and
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so that they can leave them off the league. I
just think the reality is is that they're just their
bodies writing checks their ego can't have, or so their
egos writing check their body can't cash.
Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
Yeah, these dogs just don't seem to have the necessary training,
and so, you know, I think that just putting on
penalties on the owners is that really the Is that
really the right solution. Are we just wanting to penalize
or are we wanting to be able to promote you
responsible dog ownershit.
Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
It's at the back end isn't it. They should certainly
be penalized, But let's get to a situation where the
offense or the attack doesn't occur in the first place.
Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Well, I think I think it's also you know, why
aren't we matching owners up with the right temperament dog
in the right location. I mean, is it really fair
to have a German shepherd living in an apartment block
for example? You know, do they need time to run
out or at least does the owner have a plan
on how they're going to be able to give that
dog what they need.
Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
I think the case a lot of times is that
they see a little, pretty cute little puppy and it's
tiny and lovable, and not realizing that in a year's
time it's to be almost as big as they are.
Speaker 7 (01:34:03):
Well, what amazes me is that people are prepared to
be able to pay to go to the gym for themselves,
go and get personal training, and yet they don't seem
necessarily compelled to do the same thing for their other
family members, one of them being a dog.
Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Yeah, now, good advice, Carl, I agree entirely. Maybe it
should be compulsory that if you want a dog, you
have to get them trained Elizabeth Goodburning, Good morning, Graham.
Speaker 17 (01:34:26):
I've had a most horrible experience because we had people
coming to the farm for a particular reason, and this
day a woman arrived with her little boy and mar
Jack Russell terrier thick this child on the face, and
I was so upset, and I've never took office. I
picked the dog up when these people left, and I
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took it to the bet and had it put down
because you couldn't have an animal that was going through
that around anywhere. So years later I met this woman somehow,
I've got no idea how, and she said she'd been
at the farm and her boy has been my dock.
And I said, I have worried about you ever since,
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because I wondered if that little child was sarton of
dogs forever. Yeah, And she said no, and they went
to the doctor as the child wasn't badly damaged at all.
But I just had wished that I had been phoned
and told about this, because it's upset me ever since.
Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Yeah. No, look, Elizabeth, I can understand how you feel
about it, and I think most reasonable people would be
exactly the same if they had a dog that caused
an injury to another person or to another dog, they'd
feel bad about it. Unfortunately, there are people in the
community out there who are laws on themselves and if
their dog attacked your dog, they probably go away. So well,
my dog was tougher than their dog. I mean, totally
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reprehensible low life citizens. Mark Brindle is the former MP
who calls A regularly on a whole range of subjects.
Can I Mark, you want to talk about the housing crisis?
Speaker 18 (01:36:04):
Yes, yes, Graham. I'm a bit surprised that, with your
long memory, you didn't mention that not only as Albow
announced this prefab home and Peter reused it, but if
you actually think in our time, it goes back to
a guy called Sir Thomas Playford built lots of FreeFAB
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homes all around.
Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Adelaide predates me slightly, but only slightly, It.
Speaker 18 (01:36:30):
Doesn't really, but you'd remember that, you'd remember the suburbs
that were housing trust and he actually utilized it to
give people affordable housing, to keep house prices in South
Australia a bit in check, and certainly to keep rentals
in check. But having said that, the big opportunity I
think the government's missing is the waste of resources. If
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you actually look and I'm sure you have it. Sometimes
the density of housing now is under two, so for
every house there's slightly under two people living in it. Sure,
whereas when you and I grew up there were five
in the house. Now all of that resources pouring into
houses and they haven't thought to say that people like
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Graham Goodings and Mark Brindle, Hey, we will give you
a stamp, duty rebate or something to shift from your
bigger house into a smaller house, because there's lots of
us Graham who probably are in the house too big,
but white seal because you know, basically we're giving the
government too much money for doing so.
Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yeah, I think a lot of people will be if
there was an incentive to do it. I mean, you're
not being forced to do it, but given the option,
if you weren't paying through the nose for it. As
you say, stamping, you know, the government puts its hand
out and more than happy to take the stamp.
Speaker 18 (01:37:44):
Jutty exactly right, And you know that would I think
without using more resources, carving up more land, etc. If
we got to people into the size housing they could afford,
and provide an incentive to do it. A lot of
the house for us, as I think would just disappear.
Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Good lad for thinking. Thanks for that, Mark, Mark Brendle.
There one more call before news headlines will good.
Speaker 19 (01:38:07):
Morning, Good morning Graham. This dog business, I think what
should happen. Everybody that buys a dog after six months
should take it to obedience school because I used to
have a shepherd many many years ago, and every Sunday
I took it to obedience school and they the trainers
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training you to train the dog. You the one who
has to train the dog, and they teach you how
to train the dog. You know, people talk to an
animal sometimes like a human being. Get it down, don't
do that. They've got to be short, sharp words, sits drop, stay, no,
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and that's it. And a dog will understand that. And
if you pump that into them, you've got no problems.
Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Yeah, good on you will. Thanks for input. I think
that should be mandatory. If you want to dog, the
dog has to be trained. And as much as Will said,
it's training you as well, because it all well and
good to say, my dog's fine, you know, a bit
of a rat bag, but won't get up to any mischief.
And then you are not able to control them at all.
They're not people. They are animals after all, much and
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all as we love them.
Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Twenty two twelve five Double A. Let's take a call.
One more call on dogs, Steven, Good morning, Good a, Graham.
Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Thanks?
Speaker 20 (01:39:32):
Look, I'm just really confirming what your previous call is
said about his German shepherd of getting it trained and
getting the inner trained as well, which is what I
went through as well. So I think he touched on
something which I think was really important. That is, at
the end of the day, we're dealing with dogs. We're
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not dealing with human being yep. And I think all
too often, especially around where I live and a lot
of little white flush the dogs running around on leashes,
it seems to be the end thing. And they're treated
like human beings and they're not human beings. They're dogs.
And I think people need to realize that even a small,
yabby dog can still bite you.
Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Yeah, most certainly. I mean you can love them to death,
and you can love them like a member of the family,
but they are, after all, animals, they're not people.
Speaker 20 (01:40:23):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Good on your Stephen, Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Yeah,
that's what we look. You treat a dog like a
member of the family and you can, but don't ever
forget that it is an animal. They have instincts that
are different to ours, to humans, and you can say
it's so human they react something, you know, but when
it gets down to it, in essence, if they're you know,
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in a situation where they're fearful, they're intimidated, they will
react like an animal and that's what they are. But
if they're trained properly, at least you have some level
of control to change the subject entirely. I welcome to
the studio. Penny ready, pick essay, pick a local pick Penny.
Speaker 13 (01:41:00):
How are you, Penny, I'm good, Thank you, Thank you
for having me. Graham.
Speaker 21 (01:41:03):
Always good to come in and talk to you about
what's happening in South Australian horticulture and produce.
Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Yeah, look, we'll get on to that in a moment.
It's more specifically the goods and bads and what of buying.
But I was absolutely shocked to learn that fruit and
vege consumption and Australia is declining. We're not eating as
much of it as we once did.
Speaker 21 (01:41:22):
No, it's interesting I've just returned from the Horticulture conference
up in Brisbane. We have an annual conference up there
and it was a big topic of conversation. It's not
just in Australia, it's actually a lot of the western countries.
We are declining on the amount of fresh fruit and
vegetables we're consuming. We're certainly not getting our five and
two a day and there's a big resurgence to try
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and encourage people to do that. So the statistics don't
look huge. It's a drop of fourteen grams per person
per day in vegetables and twelve grams per person per
day in fruit, But if you multiply that by the
number of Australians that we have living here, it's hundreds
of thousands of kilos of fresh produce. So it's a
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concern that we need to be thinking about for our
health and the health of the nation. It's also a
concern around our industry as well, because you can imagine,
you know, the cost of input, the cost of growing
produce is increasing, but if consumers are eating less of it,
it's it's not a great scenario for the sustainability of
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our health and the sustainability of the industry. There's there's
so many impacts that come from that. Like I said,
it's not just Australians. There are it is happening in
the UK and the US, et cetera. But I think,
you know, we just need to we really need to
take stock of it.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
And what's the theory. Why is it happening?
Speaker 21 (01:42:43):
Well, I mean, I think there's there's a number of factors.
One of the other things that came out at the
conference is that our eating habits are formed in our.
Speaker 13 (01:42:51):
First five years.
Speaker 21 (01:42:53):
So it's really quite important that you know that children
are setting themselves up with good health, heat eating, healthy
eating habits, that carers of children are giving them those habits,
et cetera. So you will see there's been a fair
bit of investment in influencing children with a program was
just announced with the Wiggles and they're going to be
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doing a lot more. So it's and I think, you
know it's convenience is a big thing as well.
Speaker 13 (01:43:18):
We're quite lazy, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
We like convenience fast food society.
Speaker 21 (01:43:24):
Whilst we are seeing fresh produce decline, we are kind
of seeing more increase on you know, uber eats and
restaurants and things like that, so people maybe getting them
by buying them through restaurants. However, the starts on the
purchasing of fresh fruit and vegetables. There's also a bit
of a misconception. Like I come out, how many people
I talk to and they're like, oh, fresh fruit and
vegetables expensive, And I'm like, is it, Like how much
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does it cost you to make a bowl of pumpkin
soup that can feed the whole family? You can't tell
me that that's going to cost you more than if
you were to go buy a family meal at McDonald's.
And it's got more nutrition when you're eating, you know,
nutrition and fiber, you're filling yourself up. You know, it
lasts longer, you've got better nutrition or value from it.
So I think fresh produce can be expensive, but if
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you buy in season and you know, make it stretch
as much as you certainly can, it can be very
very affordable and if not cheap, you know, so we
know it's better for.
Speaker 13 (01:44:20):
You, absolutely it's better for us.
Speaker 21 (01:44:22):
And so you know that's why people like me and
other marketers around the country are doing everything that we
can to inspire people to, you know, try to use
their fruit and vegetables in a different way and encourage
that consumption just adding that one piece of vegetable back
into your diet for the day. You'll hear me talk
about things like, you know, put a radish on your sandwich,
or put some onion in or just a little something
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just to add a little bit more fruit and vegetable
back into your diet.
Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Variety is a spice of life.
Speaker 13 (01:44:49):
Is absolutely as you said, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
A double edged sword. It's one thing to sort of say, well,
you know, fruit and veget it's a bit expensive, and
you rightly said no, it's not habits change, but even
just a minor diminution of the amount of fruit and
vents you have has a ripple effect to the man
and woman on the land. The people are producing that.
So it's not good for the economy and it's not
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good for your health. So the double edged sword there
is you're eating less equality food and you're not putting
back into the economy.
Speaker 21 (01:45:22):
Yeah, so it's not only the horticulture industry, it's also
the health industry that are going to see we impress right,
because you know, we're going to be having a lot
more health issues if we're not getting proper produce into US.
Speaker 13 (01:45:32):
So it's a challenge.
Speaker 21 (01:45:35):
Like I said, I just went to the horticulture conference
and lots of us were talking about it, and there's
lots of people kind of doing everything that we can
to try and encourage Australians to change that habit because
the statiticians have looked at it and said that if
we keep going the way we are, by twenty thirty
the reduction will be ten percent lers. So it's not
a good start, it's not a good trend. Do we
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need to buck the trend and do everything that we
can to change that?
Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Well, there's plenty of stuff out there, so let's talk
about what is available at the moment, what's in season,
and what's good value.
Speaker 21 (01:46:05):
Yeah, so it's South Australian citrus season, so there's plenty
of varieties coming in at the moment. The carracara oranges
have started and this is a bit of a favorite.
It doesn't last for too long this season. Some people
confuse sakara kara with a grapefruit because it does actually
have a bit of a pinky flesh to it, so
it's actually a seedless orange and it is a bit sweeter.
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So if you want to try a different orange variety,
mix up the fruit basket, try the karracara oranges, and
then also in citrus. There's plenty of lemons around, so
where quite a few of us are fighting colds at
the moment. I know I've got a bit of a sniffle,
so I've been trying to get some lemon water into
me every morning.
Speaker 13 (01:46:45):
Or you might be having some warm lemon and honey.
Speaker 21 (01:46:47):
So good to know that there's local ones around and
lots of mandarins at the moment. They're a great one
to put into the kid's lunch box, aren't They seems.
Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
To be lots of varieties. How do you pick a
good mandarin? Sometimes very soft and squishy. Is that a
good sign or well?
Speaker 21 (01:47:02):
I mean everyone has different preferences. I don't like the
soft and squishy ones. A little bit firmer is probably better,
and they're a bit easier to peel as well.
Speaker 13 (01:47:11):
And a good trick that a grower.
Speaker 21 (01:47:12):
Showed me is you pop your thumb down the middle
of the mandarin and split it in half, and that's
a great way to peel mandarins as well.
Speaker 13 (01:47:19):
So yeah, but.
Speaker 21 (01:47:21):
There's a few varieties around at the moment of them,
so we should all be having at least one of
them a week would be good.
Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
If I can get back to oranges, as we're saying,
as I love oranges and the different varieties, what would
be the most popular orange variety?
Speaker 21 (01:47:35):
I believe it's called a Washington and that. Yeah, the
Washington navel is quite heavily grown here in South Australia.
But look, oranges, there's lots of different varieties coming out,
like I said, the car a car oranges, and then
in about a month's time we'll start to see the
blood oranges as well, and they've had a bit of
a resurgence and people are enjoying the flavors that the
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blood orange brings as well. So yeah, there's plenty of
But you know, the Washington navel I believe, is one
that's grown quite a lot here in South Australia.
Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Lots of vitamin C.
Speaker 13 (01:48:07):
Lots of vitamin C.
Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Now pomegranates, yes, you know, I have.
Speaker 21 (01:48:13):
A love hate relationship with pomegranates because I love them,
but I hate healing.
Speaker 13 (01:48:18):
Terrible. It is a bit of hard work, but it
is worthwhile.
Speaker 21 (01:48:21):
Lots of antioxidants in them and so which is actually
really good for exercise performance and recovery. So instead of
having a crazy can of something, you could have pomegranates.
Speaker 13 (01:48:32):
It's going to give you just some natural input there.
Speaker 21 (01:48:36):
And one thing that I've been trying is putting my
pomegranates with things that you probably wouldn't normally do. I
put them in my mushroom tacos the other day. I've
had them with the roast pumpkin before, but mushroom tacos
and putting the pomegranate seeds in there was a good one.
So try that one, Graham.
Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
All right, I will let's move on to some veg.
Speaker 13 (01:48:56):
Some veg. I'm loving beetroot at the moment.
Speaker 21 (01:48:59):
There's some really good applies of really good locally groom
beetroots around at the moment.
Speaker 13 (01:49:04):
So they're really good to roast.
Speaker 21 (01:49:05):
And we had a brand ambassador, Calmhan the other day
doing some cooking forests and he did a beetroot rosotto,
which I thought was a really interesting way to include
bee treat into your diet. They're really good for digestive health,
and so that's a that's a great one to be
adding in at the moment.
Speaker 13 (01:49:22):
The other thing that's really good.
Speaker 21 (01:49:23):
And it's interesting you talked about We've been talking about
dogs this morning. I had dinner at a friend's house
the other night and they had two dogs, and she
pulled out a couple of carrots and she gave a
carrot to her dogs.
Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Really, I've never seen a dog eat carrot.
Speaker 21 (01:49:35):
I don't think I've ever seen that either, But her
two dogs eat carrots.
Speaker 13 (01:49:39):
She feeds some carrots all the time. So and so.
Speaker 21 (01:49:43):
As well as dogs, there's also a bit of a
viral salad that's trending at the moment. I've brought to
you before the viral cucumber salad. Well, now there's a
viral carrot salad that's doing the rounds on TikTok. I
know you're not on TikTok, Grandma funny. So basically, what
people are doing are doing making ribbons out of the
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carrots and then adding Asian spices to them and eating
them like very similar to the cucumber salad if you're
familiar with that one. So I think it's a great way.
And I heard a phrase the other day it's about
eating your skincare.
Speaker 13 (01:50:18):
So carrots are really good for skincare.
Speaker 21 (01:50:20):
So I love that, So don't forget about just eating
carrots for whatever.
Speaker 13 (01:50:24):
If you're after good skincare.
Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Check how I used to say about carrots, was it
good for your eyesight?
Speaker 21 (01:50:29):
Good for your eyesight, but apparently is good for your
skin as well. So so get onto the viral ribbon
carrot salad. It's very simple. You just basically ribbon your carrot.
It's a good way to use them.
Speaker 13 (01:50:40):
Up as well. Add a bit of soy sauce.
Speaker 21 (01:50:42):
Some sesame oil, some sesame seeds, some everything bagel seasoning
and you've got an amazing tasting salad. So for grain
here in South Australia and good supply at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Globe artichokes are what do you use those for?
Speaker 21 (01:50:57):
Yeah, they're interesting. You either them and use them a
lot or you don't. I can't say I personally buy
them and stop them at home all the time, but
I have been told they're in really good supply at
the moment.
Speaker 13 (01:51:07):
So normally you steam.
Speaker 21 (01:51:09):
Them and then the leaves kind of fall off of them.
And an interesting fun fact if you want to know
how to pick a fresh globe art choke, apparently when
you squeeze them, the leaves need to squeak squeak, Yes,
So if you give them a bit of a squeeze,
they'll give you a little bit of a squeak back,
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and you know that they're fresh and ready to go.
Speaker 13 (01:51:32):
So if you're after your glob ot chokes, I hope.
Speaker 21 (01:51:35):
Fruit and vegetabors all around us squeaking with globe arter
chokes this week.
Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
The one thing that couliflowers soup that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 21 (01:51:43):
Yeah, it is soup season, intnet. I make some broccoli
soup on the weekend.
Speaker 13 (01:51:47):
I love that.
Speaker 21 (01:51:48):
Lasted me a few days, very feeling. But couliflowers really
good for soup as well. It's really easy, and I
like couliflower and broccoli soup probably better than pumpkin just
for the ease of cutting them up, you know. But
it's definitely a lot harder to chop up a pumpkin
than what it is to chop up a cauliflower broccoli.
Speaker 13 (01:52:08):
So it's a very easy mealing. You know.
Speaker 21 (01:52:11):
I bought a cauliflower for maybe four dollars the other day,
so you can't tell me that that's expensive. So a
four dollar coliflower, a dollar worth of vegetable stock and
a bit of cream like for under five dollars you.
Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Get a couple of meals out of it more absolutely
absolutely makes a lot of sense. Yeah, now, just before
you go penny Retailer of the Year. How's that going.
Speaker 21 (01:52:29):
Yes, So we've got a ten weeks shopping wing campaign
running in all the pick A Local Picks stores at
the moment, and at the end of it we have
Retailer of the Year. So every time you enter that competition,
you're actually voting for your local store. It's a national campaign.
There's over five hundred independent fruit and vegetas across Australia
that are involved. Now Adelaide, Fresh, Morpho vwal Up South
(01:52:51):
has actually won the top gone. They have won National
Retailer of the Year three out of the four last years,
so I think they're giving it a fight again this year.
We would love to see if South Australian store win
as well. So if you're in a local fruit and
bed shop and you see this shop and Win campaign,
please enter over the next couple of weeks because every
time you do, it's a vote for a South Australian store.
(01:53:13):
And we'd love to come in here next time and
tell you that a South Australian store has won that competition.
Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
Good on your penny, thanks for dropping by.
Speaker 13 (01:53:20):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Penny ready, look for the red pick a local pick Essa.
Let sign in your local fruit and bed store. You
know you're supporting a southa Stone and business, supporting SA growers.
And the final word goes to Jane, who says roasted
tie pumpkin soup yum, my favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
It's eleven to twelve on five Double A after one
this afternoon. Guess who it is. It's Leith Forest, Good morning.
Speaker 22 (01:53:46):
Can I give you I don't know whether you agree
with this or not, Can I give you a saying
that I'm a massive dog lover, as you may or
may not know. So I've had two German Shepherds, Yeah,
sadly both past I've got two Golden Retrievers. Now, no
such thing as a bad dog, there's only a bad owner.
Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Yeah. No, I tend to agree with that. It's the
way you bring. If the dog doesn't know what to
do because of you, you haven't trained it or you
haven't would I be right in saying that if you
do training, it's more about you learning dog learning.
Speaker 22 (01:54:17):
Yes, yeah, yep, and so we Our two German shepherds
were military like. They were the best behave boys you've
ever seen. I never let them off the lead once
because even though they behave for us, I didn't trust
them in the environment. And it's also not if you're
a parent with your kid at a playground, you don't
want to see a German Shepherd bounding your way. The
two Golden Retrievers I let off all the time because
(01:54:38):
again they're more boisterous and fun etc.
Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Personality. That's right.
Speaker 22 (01:54:43):
Nobody's scared of a Golden Retriever, whereas a German Shepherd
bounding your way, it's scary. And we've had we had
two incidents where we've got in dog fights in the
middle of dog fights that were not our fault, stray
dogs that will come and charge your dog and then
and it's frightening to be a part of you just
don't know what to do. So I understand exactly what
you're talking about this afternoon, but you can see it.
If the owner is nervous, and if the owner hasn't
(01:55:05):
done the right thing, then the dog's going to have
that behavior too.
Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Well. A dog will panic the dogs get fearful and
they just their animals. They are going to protect themselves.
Totally understandable.
Speaker 22 (01:55:15):
I've seen young girls at Henley Square and I don't
mean to pick on the girls or the ladies, but
I've seen young girls with these massive, muscular dogs and
I'm like, good luck. You are no chance if that
dog takes off because you don't have the strength to
control that dog.
Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
So dogs are great. I love dogs. I've think dogs
all through my wife, not all that until the last
one was a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel. Stupid dogs on
the planet, but didn't We didn't take Dino out for
a walk because he would just lay down and say, no,
I'm not going there.
Speaker 22 (01:55:47):
We now have two Golden Retrievers who think their lap
dogs so really and were never allowed on the couch
ever ever, and that's sort of I've softened now, and
all of a sudden you've got these thirty forty kilo
Golden Retrievers saying, oh well, I'll just hop on dad
while I'm watching TV. Doesn't work. They fit in your
lap and the rest of your body.
Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
But the dogs are great, but you've got to remember
their animals and they need to be trained after and
treated that way. Very true.
Speaker 22 (01:56:13):
Personal question for you. Do you watch Netflix?
Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 22 (01:56:17):
Have you ever seen the show Somebody Feed Phil? You
aware of this show?
Speaker 17 (01:56:21):
So?
Speaker 22 (01:56:22):
Phil Rosenthal is the creative genius behind Everybody Loves Raymon. Oh,
he created that show.
Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
We've started watching Everybody Loves Raymond again.
Speaker 22 (01:56:30):
Well, you might like this show. So Phil has a
show called Somebody Feed Phil where he goes around the world.
He stops off at different cities and he enjoys the
food of that city. He then meets the local chefs
and the local bakers, et cetera, and they all It's
a show about food and travel and people. It's the
eighth series. It starts on Netflix today and in this
(01:56:53):
current series is places like Boston and Las Vegas and
Osaka and Amala and Adelaide. He filmed season eight here
in Adelaide, so we share an episode with Sydney. He's
on the show today after one o'clock. So he went
to four different places in Adelaide, which is not a
real spoiler alert, but Africola, North Terrace with Duncan, Parwana,
(01:57:17):
have you been Towa on Henley Beach Rod with the
girls Karney. He went to the Central Market and he
also caught up with Daniel Motlop and Paula Vanderberg and
did some indigenous cooking out in the bush.
Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Brilliant.
Speaker 22 (01:57:30):
Yeah, So if you're a fan of the show, if
you're a fan of him, or are you're just a
fan of great Adelaide restaurants. There it is on a
world stage, millions of viewers on Netflix Adelaide, you've heard
about it. As of today, we'll be watching. Well, you've
got an eight series to catch up. Now you can
watch the Australian one work first, watch the Adelaid version.
If you like it, then you go every great city
you've ever been to or ever one two. He's probably been.
Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
There and Eton and he's skinny.
Speaker 22 (01:57:54):
There's nothing of him, which.
Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
I don't imagine what had happened to me. If I
was doing it a food chow around the world where
people feeding me I was being paid to eat, I
would be huge.
Speaker 22 (01:58:02):
Well, I had to dodge the lady you just had
talking about the fruit and vege before, just in case
she asked what I was eating.
Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
So a lot, not a lot, go on your lead.
Thanks Cram. That's Leith Forest this afternoon with lots on
his show eight double two three double O double is
my number and before we go, we have got long
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Today we celebrate care Alert for your chance to win
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a care alert free visit care Alert dot com dot
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off and we were in the US and my mother
was home here in Adelaide. Not much we could do,
but still it was all sort of out and it
had a happy ending. Ge I agree with Daniel one
(01:59:13):
hundred percent. I have two dogs, bought a colliee the
youngest two and a half years old. I attend training
weekly with the youngest still and will continue to do
so until I'm happy as an acceptable level. Dogs are
not an accessory as many believe. They need. Training and
structure equals time, a lot of work, and this cost dollars.
I'm happy to do it. Most are not the puppy farms.
(01:59:37):
Only registered breeders should be able to sell dogs. Yeah,
I think we'd certainly agree with that. Good morning, Graham.
It's extremely difficult to get a gun license, yet anyone
can get a dog license. Both can be lethal. This
is where the problem lies regards Len. I own a
dog that, to those on the outside, seems aggressive, and
as such I don't run her off the lead. Yet
(01:59:59):
so many people on my walks along the esplanade here
in glenelg allar their dogs to be roaming off the
lead and give me the disgusted look when my dog reacts. Yes,
she's a Staffy cross who's very loyal and protective. People
have to read the signs dogs on leads down here
in Glenell. Good on you, thanks for that, Darren. A
neighbor looked over the fence and noticed he was digging
a great, big hole. What's in the hole or what's
(02:00:22):
the hole for? He asked, My pet bird died on Saturday,
so why such a big hole. The neighbor said, you
don't need such a big hole for a bird. When
you do when it's inside your rot wheeler. Get where
you're coming from, and John says, Ah, these flat pack
homes from Ikea, well they may well be John. We
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You have won a care Alert prize pack including a
one hundred dollar Carelert gift boutcher and two tickets to
our Best of SA dinner. It's on tomorrow night. I
certainly hope you can make it. Love to see you
there at Adelaide Oval. It's always a great night, a
very special night celebrating what's best of South Australia. Use
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your home care package through my age Care or ndis
for a care Alert free visit care Alert dot com
dot Au. Just about time to go, Just a couple
more texts on our metro beaches during daylight saving you
see dogs every day running off leash during on leash timeframes.
Many are large dogs and if you confront the owners
you're abused. They just don't care. Councils need to police
(02:01:31):
their own bylaws better. Yeah, that is scary. I've noticed
that at the beach at certain times when young children
are playing and the dog, probably very friendly dog, lovable dog,
bounds up to them, and the parents get and the
kids get pretty scared. So it's totally understandable keep your
dogs on a leash. That's it for today, Thank you
so much for a company. Back tomorrow to do it again.
Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings
Good morning, Welcome to Thursday, this nineteenth day of June.
Hope we find you well. Any issues that take your fancy,
that you're interested in you want to share with us,
give us a call. Eight double two three double o DOUBLEOW.
My special guest this morning is Health Minister Mark Butler,
who will join me shortly. If you have any questions
for the Health Minister, get them ready, get in early.
Eight double two three double o doubleow. Also on the
(00:21):
show today, the Government State Government that is is stepping
up its campaign to stamp up the sale of ilicit
tobacco and smokes. Five unlicensed stores in Heine Marsh, durn
and Court, Salisbury, North Blair, Ethel and Campbelltown have been
ordered to close by Minister Andrew Michaels following evidence of
illicit activity. We'll take a good look at that. I
think we're all horrified by the story on seven News
(00:42):
recently the Adelaide woman was devastated after a thirteen year
old Maltalia Lulu was fatally mauled by an off leash
staffy cross. I think there'd be maultelier, wouldn't it a
Maltese cross with a cavalier. Not sure, but anyway a
cute little dog and for mea said. The dog launched
at them, leaving Lulu with her injuries. The attackers owner
fled without offering help or contact details, and the incident
(01:05):
sparked renewed concern over off leash dogs in public parks.
While significant reforms to dog and cat laws, including banning
puppy farms, expanding feral cat eradication, and increasing penalties for
dog owners that attack people and other animals have passed
State parliament. We'll take a look at that and the
Liberal Opposition's Drought Response and Recovery Bill twenty twenty five
(01:26):
past the Legislative Council yesterday. Was it necessary? We'll speak
with Shadow Minister for Primary Industries and Regional Southastratia Nicholas
and to Fandy. We have our legal segment thanks to
Johnson Withers the lawyers in the studio to answer your questions.
Eight double two three double o doublow is the number
to ring well. Firstly, I would like to welcome our
special guests this morning, Health Minister, Mark Butler, Minister, Good
(01:49):
morning to your grara. Thanks for coming in today, my pleasure.
We hopefully will have a lot of questions from our listeners.
Eight double two to three double o doublow is the
number to ring. Firstly though, where a new term is started,
what's your focus?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, our focus over the course of the next full
three years, but particularly as we get going, we'll be
on implementing the promises we made to the Australian people.
And in my portfolios of health and aged care and
now also disabilities, there were many of them. Right at
the core is the promises we made around bolk billing
to extend bulk billing support to all Australians, not just
(02:24):
those with a concession card. We want to get that
bulk billing rate back up to ninety percent. We've got
cheaper medicines policies that we'll be introducing into the Parliament
as soon as we get back to drop the co payment,
the maximum co payment people pay for their medicines from
the first of January. We've also frozen medicine prices for
(02:44):
pensioners for the rest of the decade. And we've also
got fifty more Medicare urgent care clinics we want to
roll out, added to the eighty seven that we opened
in the last term of parliament. So there's a lot
to do implementing the promises we made to the Australian
people at the election.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
There are a lot of concerned FIVEAA listeners that firned
this program, saying they're facing increased pathology bills from July one.
Evidently the federal government is cutting three hundred and fifty
six million dollars from pathology services. What can you say
to those people.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, that's just not right. That is an incredibly misleading
position that is being put by the three very big
pathology companies. Very very big companies made billions of dollars
in profits during the pandemic through the pretty high payments
they receive for COVID testing, and are now seeking to
(03:35):
prop up those profits with what I think is an
incredibly misleading campaign. We've made some changes to vitamin B
testing and also urine testing that were recommended to us
by the relevant clinicians. There was a task force that
said there's too much of that testing going on. Not
only is it an inefficient way to use tax payer money,
(03:55):
it's clinically not proper. If you look at the public
pathology companies, so say pathology here in South Australia grame,
they have applauded the decision we've taken. They don't want
to see unnecessary pathology testing take place. But the big
profit making companies that make a whole lot of money
out of frankly unnecessary tests, they're trying to run this
(04:18):
campaign that there's been a cut. What we did was
we actually reintroduced indexation, so increases to pathology payments for
the first time in twenty five years. So they're getting
more money from us from the last budget, not less.
This misleading campaign is an incredibly irresponsible thing that the
three big pathology companies are doing, and it will have consequences.
(04:41):
I am taking advice that if they start putting in
place co payments in an area which is now over
ninety nine percent bulk build on the back of a
misleading campaign, I'm telling those three companies there will be
very serious consequences.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
We have a text from Russell who wants to know
is the bl one test with prostate tests going to
be free well again.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Also, we have been receiving new guidelines about the best
way to test for prostate cancer. As many of your
listeners will know, certainly the male listeners, this is a
difficult area because testing for prostate cancer can have in
itself negative consequences if it's a false positive, so we're
(05:26):
constantly getting updated clinical advice about the best way in
which to test for the most common cancer. Prostate cancer
is the most common cancer for men, and the Prostate
Cancer Foundation, which is the peak body in this area,
brings together clinicians the patient groups. They currently have some
draft clinical guidelines that are out for comment right now.
(05:47):
I expect that they will be finalized in the second
half of this year. This is the first time we've
updated those guidelines since I think twenty sixteen. We funded
them to do that work and I want to make
sure that Australian men have access to the best up
to date clinical advice and support in an area that
is a very big issue for Australia's men.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Thanks Erk Minister. We have Wendy on the line. Wendy,
you have a question for the Health Minister.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, it's nice talking to you both. Last year I
was advised by my doctor to have an RSV injection,
which I paid over three hundred and thirty eight dollars for.
I didn't mind paying for it because I thought prevention
is better than the illness. Now no one can tell
me if I need another one this year. Chemists can't
(06:33):
tell me. My own doctor can't tell me because all
they know is about the young babies that missed out
on it from their mothers and the mothers in their
last time of pregnancy to get it. So no one
can tell me if I need if it's a one
off injection, or I need it annually every year.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, you need to ask you your GP about that, Wendy.
RSV is a very serious illness. It's one of the
big three respiratory illnesses. As I think you said, We've
just put an RSV maternal vaccine for pregnant mums onto
the national iminization program. That's the first one we've ever had.
It started in February. Already well over sixty thousand pregnant
(07:15):
women have taken that vaccine, and those antibodies then flow
through to the fetus and protect their beautiful newborn baby
for those crucial few months of their life. I've also, though,
been really interested to make sure that some of the
companies who are developing vaccines for RSV are putting their
vaccines forward for excuse me, for consideration for those vaccines
(07:39):
to be added for older Australians, so Australians over the
age of sixty five, and I expect that work to
unfold over the course of this year.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Thank you for called Wendy now Minister. The government's vague scheme,
Really it's a disaster. You know, only one in every
seventeen hundred practices selling. Only about seven hundred of Australia's
nine hundred pharmacies participate. They say they're averaging one legal
sale every three days. You've gone on record of saying
(08:10):
vaping is declining, but there are obvious flaws in the scheme.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, I don't agree with your characterization, Graham. I think
this is doing the job I wanted to do first
of all, which was to take the vapes out of
the hands of our kids. The first thing I did
was put in place and import restriction so to stop
these things coming into the country in the first place.
They were flooding into the country under the old regime.
(08:36):
And since that time, our hard working border force officials
have seized almost ten million of these things at the border.
We also they need to shut down the sale of
those vapes on the ground, out of retail premises, so
vape stores have shut. Every one of the seven or
eight vape stores that were opening. My Electra in hind
Marsh is now shut. But I do recognize that some
(08:58):
retail premises, so convene at stores tobaccon Us, are still
selling vapes against the law and they need to be
brought to court and prosecuted for that. Now, in your
introduction you were talking about the terrific work Andrew Markles
is doing here in South Australia. It is the leading
work in the country to crack down on a list
at tobacco and the illegal sale of vapes. Remember, this
(09:19):
is bankrolling organized crime. At the end of the day,
these are the organizations that are controlling this market. So
we need to do more on enforcement. I never said
this was easy. You know, we're battling big tobacco on
the one hand and organized crime on the other. This
is a tough fight. But I will say and I
will reassure your listeners who are worried about their kids
(09:39):
or their grandkids doing this stuff. The research that we've got,
very credible research shows that vaping rates among very young Australians.
So here in South Australia, teenagers essentially are down thirty
percent already, School suspensions as a result of vaping in
South Australia have halved over the last twelve month. Principles
(10:01):
and teachers were telling us this was the number one
behavioral issue in their schools. Suspensions have halved, and vaping
rates among older adults, so sort of mid twenties and up,
they've halved as well. So we are making a difference
taking these vaps out of the hands of our kids.
But look, I don't pretend this was ever going to
be easy. I said that at the time we embarked
upon this. We have to keep going. This is bankrolling.
(10:23):
Not only is it hurting the health of our young Australians,
this is bankrolling the work of organized crime. Every time
you buy a pack of illicit cigarettes, every time you
buy an ilegal vape, you are contributing money to organized
criminal gains to bankroll their drug trafficking, their sex tracking activities.
And we just have to remember that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
We're speaking with Health Minister Mark Buplet in the studio.
If you have a question, give us a call now
eight double two to three, double double oh.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Five, Double A Mornings with Gram Goodings.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Twenty past nine five double A on the Thursday morning,
we have Health Minister Mark Butlert in the studio. If
you have a question for the minister, he's only too
happy to take your call. Eight double two three double
o double o. Something. Minister. We were talking about the
mental health. It's a major issue, there's no question about
that in Australia. At the moment. The statistics are revealing
(11:14):
that it's growing, particularly among young people. It's putting a
huge burden on the public health system. What are your
steps to I know it's not something that's going to
be overcome overnight. What can you do in the mental
health arena?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, let me talk about young people. I mean, mental
health is unique really in health. Most health issues tend
to emerge in middle age and older, but mental health
tends to emerge when you're young. So if you're going
to have a mental illness at any point in your lifetime,
it probably will have emerged before you're twenty five. Two
thirds will emerge before twenty one, and three quarters of
(11:50):
mental health issues will already have hit by the time
someone turns twenty five. So what we've learned over the
last couple of decades is you've got to build mental
health services that young people feel comfortable going to I mean,
when I was young, which admittedly is a long time ago,
if you had a mental health issue, you're expected to
go to mum and dad's GP if you're a teenager
with Unsurprisingly, people didn't do that. So we've been busy
(12:14):
really building youth mental health services like Headspace and a
lot online, a lot of digital services, but they're becoming
overwhelmed because of that increase you talk about in mental
distress among young people generally, particularly frankly younger girls and women.
So at the last election campaign we promised to do
(12:36):
a couple of things. One expand the existing services we have,
but also introduce new services. They address what the former
Australian of the Year Pat mcgory calls the missing medal,
so services for people or young people who have quite
complex needs that frankly are a bit beyond those Headspace
services or GPS or psychologists to look after, but aren't
(12:59):
yet quite as extreme or severe that they would be
admitted to a hospital. So we're going to build more
of these missing middle services. We put a lot of
money into that at the election campaign. We'll be working
on that, but we also want to get sort of
upstream to try and work out why is there such
a high level of mental distress among our young people now.
And we're pretty confident, although the research is still coming,
(13:21):
and we're pretty confident social media is playing a role.
And that's why, frankly, the rest of the world is
watching what we are doing here in Australia to ban
the use of social media among kids under sixteen. Like
everyone around the world is watching this, particularly the English
speaking world, the US, Canada, UK Island, New Zealand. They're
experiencing exactly the same levels of mental distress among their
(13:44):
young people and everyone is now starting to point the
finger at phones and social media. So what we've done
to take phones out of schools again, the rest of
the world is looking at that. When I talk to Principles,
that has changed school life almost overnight. Kids are playing
together again, they're talking to each other again, their learning
(14:04):
behavior has improved, all because of us taking those phones
out of their hands. And we're very confident that that
social media band that the big tech companies are going
to fight tooth and nail, but putting in place that
social media ban is going to be a really important
way to improve the mental health of our young people.
So yes, we'll roll out new services, but we've also
(14:24):
got to start to explore why are young Australians today
experiencing such higher levels of mental distress than seems to
have been the case ten twenty, thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
We have Health Minister Mark Butler in the studio. If
you have a question of the Minister, give us a
call right now, a double two to three doublo minister
from the text line high Graham, what can the Minister
do to make sure you get an appointment at a
GP when a person is unwell, not a week or
two later. Also, what can the minister do to make
sure gps take on more new patients when needed, when
(14:57):
you need a GP in your area. I've called some gps.
They say they're not taking new patients. You know, that's Minister.
That's something that we hear, all two of them. Yeah,
we don't have enough gps. I think is really clear.
I think I might have talked to you about this before, Graham,
that you know, not too long ago, about one in
two medical graduates would have chosen to become a GP.
That's thirty forty years ago. Half of the medical school
(15:19):
graduates went into general practice. Now it's down to about
one in seven and the other six will go into
surgery or anesthetics or psychiatry or something. So we've got
to build that general practice workforce. This year we have
more young doctors training to be GPS than at any
time in our history, so we have turned that around.
Last year was a record. This year is another record.
(15:41):
We want to grow that again. So we've got more
funding in this scheme to train more young Australians as gps.
Because we know a lot of our gps are in
the process of retiring. We've got to replace them. But
also we're trying to find ways in the meantime to
bring gps in from overseas, particularly from countries where we
have high levels confidence in their training, so the UK,
(16:02):
New Zealand, Ireland, Canada, those sorts of countries. We're fast
tracking their ability to come in and frankly fill the
gaps we have in the system. In the meantime though,
we've got to build other systems. Those urgent care clinics
I talked about, they're open seven days a week, three
hundred and sixty five days a year, already seen one
and a half million patients since we started opening them
(16:23):
a couple of years ago, and every single person is built.
In addition, we'll be introducing next year a new service
called one eight hundred Medicare where you can get again
a free nurse triage service and potentially telehealth as well.
So the nurse after six pm, if he or she
probably she thinks you need to see a GP, you'll
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be clicked over to a telehealth system funded by Medicare,
Quality assured by Medicare to take some of that pressure
off general practice. Ross from Valley View is called in
Ross go ahead.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Oh hello, Yes, my wife's got dementia and she's been
in the Mudbury Hospital for seven weeks now, and she
had actually gone in for an infection and they cured that.
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But because she was unwill at the time, I was
told that two doctors and the social worker has said
I couldn't take her home because it needed two people
to look after her, and so they put us under
say Cat. Now, we had a say Cat meeting on
the eleventh a during Now what happened was my wife
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screamed because I helped change. I go every day, I
try and get there between nine point thirty ten o'clock
or subtimes ten thirty and I stay sometimes to eight
thirty at night. Now, going through the tribunal, I'm now
looks as I'm going to lose her. The public Advocate
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has made the Guardian to make all her lifestyle decisions
to her son who lives in Kerlanga who has mental
health problems, and had a care with him when they
had the meeting. Now what happens there? And because I
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had an advance care directive and I thought it was right,
but the person that's the decision maker said no, it's
not because it was signed by a nurse at our
GP clinic. But I'd taken it to Tony Zappier's office
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and he said everything was correct, and he had photo
copied five copies. And now they say it's not correct.
So I've lost my power of attorney.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Well, I don't have the circumstances obviously of your case.
Is that sounds like it must have been incredibly distressing
for you those last seven weeks where your lovely wife
has been in hospital. We might get some details from
you and we can contact you offline and see whether
we can help you through this.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Thanks for you called Ross. Yes, we'll put you back
to my producer Patrick. Just one final question. We're just
about to run over time, but I have to mention this,
the IVF system can faith be restored in IVF Monish
IVF two horrific incidents. Now a lot of people who
are on the I v F program considering it are
wondering what shall I do.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well, My third beautiful child is an IVF baby, and
I know that the depth of trust that families put
in IVF companies often feels like you get a miracle
baby certainly felt like that to my wife and I
And you know, I think what's happened with mon Ash,
with not one case but two cases going so awry,
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really has really hurt the confidence that Australian families have
in what has been one of the best systems in
the world, delivering twenty thousand babies every year. So when
the Health ministers and I met on Friday in Melbourne,
we decided to put in place a national independent accreditation
system for IVF companies. The fact is until now they've
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essentially been self regulating, and we think we need to
inject some confidence and independence and transparency into that system.
We'll be doing that as a matter of priority, and
we'll be looking at other ideas about introducing better national
standards around the regulation here. We've got to get confidence
back into the system. I know families have either had
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an IVF baby who are thinking going through this are
deeply worried about the media coverage of these two really
devastating cases. And I know Chris Pickten here, health ministers
across the country are determined to get this industry back
on track.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Mike Butler, thanks so much for your time today, appreciate it.
Thanks Gray, we've been speaking with her. He Minister Mark
Butler back after news Headlines five Double A Mornings with Graham. Goodings,
Good morning. If you've just joined us, you've just missed
chat with Health Minister Mark Butler. As I said to
the Minister, I had twenty seven more questions for you.
We just didn't have the time, So we'll certainly have
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the Health Minister back on at another time. Questions on
the text line, Minister, when are all government's going to
get serious about women's breast scanning and make it bulk
build automatically if you go via any method which is
at the moment an ultrasound isn't covered. Poor well Unfortunately,
the Minister is not here to answer that many kids
have parents that either don't care about mental health or
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their parenting is antiquated and unsupportive on the issue of
mental health issues. As the Minister said that it is
one health issue that sets in often very early. Where
most illnesses and disease seems to happen later in life,
mental health can occur very early at an early age.
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Liberal Oppositions Response and Recovery Bill twenty twenty five past
the Legislative Council yesterday Chadow. Minister for Primary Industries and
Regional South Australia, Nikola senta Fadi joins me. Now, Nicola, good.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Morning to you, Good morning Graham to you and your listeners.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Why was the bill necessary?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Well, look, Graham, we've been hearing from farmers and farming
communities for months and months now that despite the Federal
government's announce of a seventy three odd million dollar drought package,
that that drought package simply isn't or has missed the
mark and isn't getting on the ground. To be honest, Graham,
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you know I don't want to have put this bill
forward to Parliament. I would have I would have wanted
the government to ensure that this practical support is hitting
the ground, but the reality is is that without things
like a proper declaration of the drought, without things like
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a coordinator and a note and we certainly welcome the
government's announcement of Alex Immermann as a Drought Commissioner last week,
and without a dedicated fund to assist in things like
no and low concessional loans, reimbursement of fees and charges
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associated with land, new stock movement, water licensing. Really what
farmers have been crying out for, and that is a
hand up, not a handout, and really cash flow that
is urgently needed during this severe drought to enable them
to do things like pay their interest bills, purchase food
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for their livestock, purchase hey, purchase podder and also for
payments of water carting if required. So that is what
this bill ultimately is about and again is something that
our farmers and communities have been calling for months. And
this bill is about giving structure to what for too
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long I think has been an ad hoc and reactive
approach to drought in South Australia. And this bill is
something that the Opposition and the entire cross Bench have
united around. I just want to recognize the cross Bench
for their support of this bill. They absolutely understand and
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we've stood together to say, look, enough is enough. It's
time for the Government to step up and to provide
the support that our regional South Australians deserve. Now we
know this bill isn't perfect. No piece of legislation is,
but it is a critical foundation and there's still time
to improve it. And I've written directly to the Premier
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and to the Minister for Primary Industries inviting them to
take a multipartisan approach to this bill. You know, I'm
not just open to collaboration. I'm actually actively seeking it.
You know, my door is open. I'm really saying to them,
let's work together.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Why why is it so important to declare it a drought.
I mean, the government knows it's a drought. The farmers
now it's a drought. I know it's a drought. You
know it's a drought. Why you know this declaration of
a drought, what difference could that possibly make?
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Well?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
You know, we saw recently in the Advertiser that one
and two grain producers are struggling to access at finance
and credits, and I think, you know, one grain producer
put it that their banks advised that if a drought
declaration is made then it gives them more scope for
the hardship lending. Now we know that that's not the case,
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you know, under the National Drought Agreement, but the reality
on the ground is that by declaring it a drought,
it sends a clear signal not just to all levels
of government and industry, but also to those financial institutions
and to the Australian Taxation Office that support is both
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necessary and is absolutely urgent. And a drag declaration isn't
about exclusion, It's about recognition. It's about recognizing the scale
and severity of the crisis that is currently facing our
regional communities. So, you know, we feel that a declaration
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you know, which is backed which would be backed by
local data and criteria, just really ensures that those who
need the help most receive it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Thank you, Nicola Santa Fandi will move on because of
the primary Industry's minister joins us. Now, Claire Gribven, how
would you respond to Nicolas center Fandy, Good.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Morning, Graham. Look, the issue with this bill that passed
the Upper House yesterday is that it creates a whole
lot of extra red tape. It directly contravens the National
Drought Agreement, and it adapts a policy that's being rejected
around the country now more than a decade. Because what
it does it doesn't dedicate any extra money to drought support.
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It says that we need to have a declaration and
a whole lot of other red tape before any drought
support can slow. So, just for example, what it says
is you can't release drout support until some undefined sort
of declaration is made, a drought coordinator is appointed, that
person develops a plan, they consult on the plan, including
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inviting written submissions, and then it's approved by the governor.
So that's a very long process before any drought support
can slow. And it really does also raise the question, well,
if this is adopted, does that mean that all of
the drought support that you can't be doing. The seven
to three million dollars, which is a state package, not
a federal package, has been a shadow minister said would
have to stop because that's certainly what it appears to
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say in the bill. And also what it does reintroduces
lines on a map, So if you're in a declared area,
then you can get assistant. If you're not in a
declared area, then you can't. Now this is something that's
been rejected because we all know your farm's on months
another road, my farm's on the other, and I can't.
I can get support and you can't. Is ridiculous. So
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it really is a very very rushed and ill thought through.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You're suggesting that I keep would add red tape, but
the suggestions from the opposition is that there's red tape
already that is slowing up the aid getting to the farmers.
Is that the case, Well, there's.
Speaker 8 (28:23):
Obviously got to be a criteria for our grants. This
is taxpayers money and everyone would expect that there is.
When it comes to the on farm infrastructure grants, they
are now being processed within thirty days that we've been
able to streamline that back and that's all been able
to happen without a piece of legislation that would add weeks,
if not months to that process. So you know, we
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really can. We've been working constantly with industry. The packages
that we have developed first in November and then in
April they are announced. They've been developed with industry. This
bill was not consulted. Well, it was not developed with industry.
I asked the Shadow Ministry yesterday in Parliament, you know,
did she work with the peak bodies that represent farmers,
all the different sectors in developing this bill and she didn't.
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You know, what we know she did was developed and
introduced it to Parliament and then send a copy to them.
We really need to be working closely with industry, closely
with farmers, and that's what the state government has been doing.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We've heard a lot from farmers saying, you know, they
don't just want to hand out that they would like
a low interest lan now interest loans so they can
get back on their feet and do what they do best.
Is that likely to happen.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
So there is a federal fund that does that. It's
called the Rick Loans and I've spoken with farmers who
have been able to avail themselves of that and they've
found it very helpful. Now, both the Premier and myself
have been advocating to the federal government that those loans
should have a lower interest rate than they currently do.
So they're confessional loans, but I think it's about five
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point two percent. So given that there's been changes in
the general markets for interest, we're advocating that that should
be lowered. And also the farm household allowance has a
threshold in terms of the assets test of five and
a half million dollars, and we're saying that really needs
to be looked at and potentially increased. So where there's
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already mechanisms set up as there are in the federal system,
we're not trying to replicate that here in the state government.
What we're trying to do is feeling where some things
are not addressed, and we're continuing to look at ways
that we might be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Cleis Griwin and thanks for your time. Primary Industries Minister. Well,
let's speak now with Stephen McCarthy, the District Council of Remarkable.
He is the mayor. Stephen, good morning to you, Good morning.
What do you make of the Opposition's Drought Response and
Recovery Bill? Do we need to declare a drought? Are
you happy with what's happening in supportive farmers at the moment?
Speaker 9 (30:54):
Yeah, Look, it's a complex So the short answer to
that is yes, we are supportive of the build has
been presented at this point in time. I think people
that are working in this space or understand the space
that this is a very difficult thing to work through,
and people and farmers, primary producers, etc. Are able to
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access current programs over time. What happens with drought as
against any other emergencies such as fire and floods, etc.
It's not as visually obvious at this point in time,
and we finish up with the areas I think, and
I understand the reference to boundaries, which is always a challenge,
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But we have the Upper and Far North part of
our primary production areas out here at the moment that
are three years in to what is devastating for their families,
their businesses and our areas and communities, etc. Then we've
got other areas where it's nowhere near as dramatic in duration,
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but the impact is similar of course, becauset is drought,
of course, So what we don't have is the ability
to recognize where there's a crisis area, which we do
have in the Upper North versus those that are equally
doing it as tough, but the crisis is not quite
as severe. So I think through this bill, i'd be
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anticipating that we actually get to a point where we
can have a better definition on how we actually deal
with what is an emergency versus dealing with the dry season.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
So what is the state of play for farmers in
your region at the moment? Mentally and physically.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Mentally people are exhausted and I'm generalizing here. We got
some areas amount remarkable council area that is not as
devastated as some of the others. But to our neighbors,
certainly surrounding us to the north and to the east,
they're mentally exhausted. Financially, they are drawn out as harden
as far as they can go. Getting assistance is ad
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hock and whist there is assistance out there, and nobody's
saying to deny that it is ad hoc. Where the
whim if you like, of how the volunteers who kart
hay and those processes are able to get resources and
the feed etc. To these areas. But it is ad hoc,
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and despite how wonderful that is, it's not sustainable. And
so people are dealing with these inconsistencies and the build
up of that over a period of time to the
point where they actually doubt that there is a future.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, Stephen McCarthy, our thoughts are with you. Stephen McCarthy
is the Juristic District Council of Remarkable mayor. Let's go
over to the West Coast Susie Kenny as a farmer
and author. She joins us. Now, Susie, good morning to you.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Now, what are you making of the opposition Start Response
Recovery bill? Are you happy with the the level of
support you're getting at the moment? What's the state of
play on the West Coast?
Speaker 8 (34:04):
So out here on the West Coast we are definitely
still in drought and it's a real crisis. So yeah,
we are supportive of the new bill that's being proposed.
And one of the things that I will just say is.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
Will it while it may not be.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Perfect, nothing's perfect at the moment. So for Minister Scriven
to be able to actually be open to working with
the Shadow Minister to create something that is actually going
to hit the mark, hit the target and all of
the funding that is in the current package to be
used efficiently and effectively.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So do you think it's being tied up with red
tape at the moment? Is it just the money is there?
We're seventy three million dollars the state government allocated is
it not getting to where it needs to be.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
Well, absolutely, it's not. I mean I don't know me
many people on farm household allowance out here because the
parameters are so low and so tied to actually qualify
for farmhousehold allowance. And then a lot of the things
in the current package you can only qualify if you're
on farm household allowance, the infrastructure grant, there is no
cash flow, so people can't you know, they don't want
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to spend things like putting in a new rain wood,
a tank or something like that if there's no cash
flow that they've got to put up front in the
hope that then they'll receive a subsidy to assist them.
So yeah, there's just a few things I think in
the long term that funding package. Yes, okay, there was
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there's some areas that do assist farmers, but the crisis
hasn't been addressed. And also, while yes, there may be
some more red tape and some more consultation with this
new bill, of course, I feel like farmers have actually
had direct access to Nicholas center Fante and farmers have
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been able to express to her directly what we need,
and so often out here we feel very forgotten. We're
very remote and we're in the far west of the state.
And to have someone to be able to listen to
our needs and to be able to actually cut through
from you know, cut through to try and contact our
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peak bodies and have our peak bodies advocate for us.
That is another process for us. So it's when people
are in crisis, we want to cut through all the
processes in the best way possible to receive the help.
And farmers don't actually want to be doing this. We
would prefer to just get on with our job and
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that's feeding the state and contributing to the state economy
in such.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
A huge way.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And now, Susie, you put it so well, thank you
for your time today. It's Susie Kenny, West Coast farmer
and author. With the situation, generally, feeling the the people
on the land seem to be pleased that the opposition
is put forward at start Response and Recovery. Bill, I
think it'd be fair to say the feeling is that
we want bilateral support. The farmers want bilateral support because
this is an issue that's affecting the state. It shouldn't
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be a political football. We need to help the farmers
overcome the impact of the drought, the drought that's gone
on for about three years. Now, what are your thoughts?
Love to hear them, mate, double two three doubled doow
double ow five double A Mornings with Graham, Goodings, good
morning to you on this Thursday, June the nineteenth, We
find you well. Hi Graham, My wife got bitten on
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the ankle in the dark at Linear Park on a
walk at Clemsy at six o'clock recently by a staffy
off a leash, only just grabbed the dog by the
collar and ran off, saying sorry, Mark from Windsor Gardens
High Graham, my wife Yes, as a repeat of that,
thank you for that Mark, Morning Gigi. Why doesn't the
governor just give farmers money up front, say fifty k
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what ever gives them support, then pay back at zero
interest over a number of years. Find the money. Well,
there's no question that the government has the money. There's
allocated seventy three million dollars. I would like to know
to the dollar how much they've handed out so far,
because with a drought, the need is now, not in
three months time, six months time, the need is absolutely now.
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So if the government has the money. What is the
red tape, what is blocking? What is stopping? You know
what bureaucracy operates like. So there is obviously an issue there.
But the farmers just need a leg up. They don't
want freebies, they don't want handouts. At a low interest loan,
A low interest loan would seem to be appropriate. I
wonder if Chris Bown is listening. Probably not the Energy Minister.
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Hopefully this gets to him. The transmission giant delivering the
role out of renewables infrastructure, is advocated for authorities to
accelerate the development of gas plants and retain a buffer
of coal after warning the power grid has been stripped
thin of supply now. According to The Australian, the nation's
largest electricity transmission company, Transgrid, pointed to volatile conditions of
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Victoria in the last week, where a cold snap and
energy shortages spanning fossil fuels through to renewables led to
massive price spikes and security unease. Transgrid chief executive Brett Redman,
a former boss of AGL, said it was time to
prioritize putting more buffer back into the system. He says,
we've really stripped the system very very thin, and so
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the events a couple of years ago where we nearly
saw widespread outages, and even what's happening in Victoria in
the last couple of weeks. We're in this world now
where you cannot predict exactly when it will happen. He says.
The probability of more and more failures of units and
coal fire generators, or unforeseen weather events, you name it,
he says, it's going to happen. Mister Redmond says, because
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we've stripped out all our buffers, it's left us very exposed.
And the risk to transition is that people lose confidence
in the system because on those days where things go wrong,
no one's going to wad are here explained to them?
Statistically that seem very unlikely. Even as people are taking
coal sharers. So, Chris Bowen, are you listening. People within
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the industry are saying, all well and good renewables, but
we need to retain a buffer of coal and gas
because there will be situations and circumstances. And you can
talk about the odds and the reliability and the predictability
and the possibility. The point is we need power and
plenty of it. Twenty four to seven seven days a week,
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every month, every year into the future. But there's no
guarantee of that at the moment, and there's certainly no
guarantee of prices coming down because they always head up.
A double two to three double is my number. The
five convenience stores have been shut down by the CBS.
These stores selling ilicit tobacco and vapes. Will be taking
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up the matter with Andrew Michaels, the Minister for Consumer
and Business Affairs. A little bit later on we have
our legal chat of course Johnston with us practice ly
that Tim Darney will join us. Eight double two three
double o double Oh is the number to get in
early with your questions. Lots more happening on the show.
I hope you'll stay with us.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I had a very good morning to you. Well, we
heard in the news with Kendall the state government has
agreed to ban gambling on public transport trains, buses and
trams and associated infrastructure. The Council Legislative Council passed the
motion last night with unanimous multi partisan support. So what
do you think, good move banning gambling on public transport,
not banning gambling, banning gambling advertising. I think they should
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read are they going to stop you with playing two
up on the two ups illegal? Isn't it?
Speaker 6 (41:38):
This?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Isn't it so that you can play two up legally
only on Anzac Day? I think that's right? Is that still?
Is that an old wives tale? Or is that the
way it is? But yeah, banning advertising of gambling companies.
I must say, the gambling ads on television are very clever.
Don't like them. There's way too many of them, but
they are very clever and that's easy to see one
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of the suck you win. So let us know if
you think that it's a good move that the government's
banning gambling advertising on public transport. Graham, what is wrong
with this government? The farmers are the core of the
food chain, so says Helen. Yeah, look, I'm a little
bit concerned. The government has this seventy three million dollar
amount of money set to save the farmers, to help
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the farmers, but there seems to be a little bit
of trouble getting it out the other end, A lot
of help is getting out there, but are not enough
because we keep getting this feedback of farmers saying all
well and good but we have to jump through too
many hoops and we need the assistance. We need the
help right now. Why are we not looking at cloud
seating technology? Surely this would be a better use of funds.
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USA is actively using this, China is regenerating deserts with it.
It's not as simple as that. I've done some research
into cloud seeding and all well and good. It is
pretty much hit or miss. But you need certain elements
and certain environments that you need specific timeaps of clouds,
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clouds with enough moisture. Much of South Eastradia we have
an arid or semi arid climate and it is not
conducive to producing cloud we'd have very few clouds. I'm
looking out now and the clouds are dispersing, but they're
not necessarily the right form of clouds. Cloud seeding is
expensive to do and the results. I'm sure they would
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have tried it, but the suggestion is that, particularly in
states like South Aastralia, dry places, it is counterintuitive. I
guess that why not seed the clouds because there is
no moisture in those clouds. Probably someone who knows a
lot more about that than me, as David and the
Adelaide Hills, David, good morning to you.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
Good morning, and as a person who is a farmer,
it is treacherous times. But I'm intually going to lean
in for you as an adelaide person. First, calm me.
Desalinating water is bottled electricity, and we all know how
expensive it is in our homes and businesses.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Sure, I was.
Speaker 10 (43:54):
Doing some digging around the SA Water website last night.
It would appear we are still running the de cell
plant FLATNAC. According to the SA WATERWAK one D and
the reservoirs which are not connected to the D cell
plant are in basic single digits ten twelve percent. The
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average across the entire network this time last year was
forty five percent. This year we're just over thirty five percent.
And that thirty five percent is only being achieved not
by inflows, because you are going to have subsidized fifty
cent a killer wat and you don't want to think
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how many gigawatts the D cell plant goes through a
day to get your nice green lawn.
Speaker 7 (44:43):
Be warned.
Speaker 10 (44:44):
Drought affects me as a farmer, but it's going to
make your elector your water bills look like telephone numbers.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
It's the coming now, David, you're a very learned gentleman,
and I make the point in it from a naive position.
I know that we haven't built a new dam or
reservoir in this nation for forty years or so.
Speaker 10 (45:06):
It's longer than that. The last major mount Bold had
an extra few feet put on it just within my
lifetime in the early seventies, and that is the last
major change we have made. Now. The problem is damming
waters always is going to place displace somebody. It's always
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going to annoy somebody. But unfortunately, you plan to succeed
or you fail. Now you look at other nations that
are bolting ahead. For instance, we don't want to become
with their political system, but China has built the Three
Gorges Dam, which means that they effectively will never have
a problem with electricity or water again. They've installed ultra
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high voltage distribution across their entire nation, interconnecting their entire nation.
We need our lead is desperately to take that money
that we give them the approaching tax time again and
invest in nation building projects. And yes, it will not
celebrate them during their lifetime because these projects take a
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long time. But if you don't build the dam. If
you don't build the interconnection, if you don't start by
breaking that first rock to dig that hole, it will
never happen and we will fundamentally become poorer. And we
are banking on our fore bears at this stage. What
are we building for the next generation? We need to
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look and go do we need to be ashamed of
that we have not created prosperity.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
You've put it beautifully, David. We've talked on the show
about times that's so much water in the north of
the nation, so little in the south of the nation.
They've had the Bradfield scheme, the revised Bradfield scheme, all
too hard, too difficult. But as a time we started
relooking at things like that.
Speaker 10 (47:00):
Well, even if we get I would go like piping
water is very expensive and very difficult. If we interconnected
our power grid, yes it would berendously expensive. But there
are times where, because we across so much of the
dateline where you know you're getting out it's nine o'clock
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at night here in South Australia, we could be pulling
solar energy from wa with a sun still up. Use
a proper interconnection of the grid to run a de
celle unit from an excess of wind and solar which
is never not going to be blowing somewhere in Australia.
It's we have some across this nation about eighteen hours
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a day in summer from Victoria to the corner of
Wa and about fifteen odd during the winter. We can,
by investing in smart interconnection, create a grid which will
work for us, providing us a plethor of energy cheaply available,
allowing us to create prosperity, but instead will remain these
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isolated islands where we're always grasping for that last wat
and of course that last what is where these big
players then come in and go, well, you know your
game's going to fail. That last what is going to
cost you and you see, oh I really don't want
to have to drop that card, but if I don't,
the game fails, so we must.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah. Look, I agree one hundred percent with you, David.
And the issue is that governments are looking to the
next term. They're not looking to the next generation of Australians.
It's all about survival.
Speaker 10 (48:40):
They are looking for that sugar fix when the next
election they can go, look, we gave you X y
Z in the last election, we had the opposition saying
they were going to give us a sugar fix of
one year discounted fuel pricing. Now, let's nice and dandy,
hate drop the index thing for one side, you know,
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do something that goes on forever. And their inability to
prosecute the case about Nu Killer was purely shameful, they
said it, and it's basically buried it under a pile
of pete. If you're going to light a fire, you
need to tend it. What is wrong with our leaders?
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Ah? Well, you've summed it up there, David, always great
to chat. Thanks so much for your time today. A
lot of food for thought if you'd like to comment
on what David has had to say. Helen says Graham.
All governments do not care about the next generation. It's
all about them, No, Helen, that is dead right. They
can look you straight in the face and say we
are interested in your welfare, but they're really behind the scenes.
They're saying we're really interested in being reelected next time round.
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Wendy says, we don't need more dams if there is
no rain. Now, Wendy, there is always going to be rain.
There is always going to be rain. All right, and
I've had that argument before. It's no point building a dam,
it's not raining. Well, the last time that was said
then we had, you know, called rainfalls. The Murray was
in flood. There will be rain. We need to build
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the damned for the future, you know, to sort of
say our Well, we can use desail plants. As David said,
it's bottled bottled energy that the de cel plant needs
huge amounts of energy to run. Who is paying for
that energy? Who is paying for that power? You're paying
for it, I'm paying for it. Do you want to
keep paying for it? Good luck to you, five double
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A Mornings with Graham Goodings, twenty past ten, five double
A on this Thursday morning. Don't forget we have our
legal segment coming up at ten thirty. Any questions for
our legal friends from Johnson Withers ring in the eight
double two to three, double the number to ring Well.
The government is stepping up its campaign to stamp out
the sale of illicit tobacco and vapes. To tell us
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more about it to Minister for Consumer and Business Affairs
Andrew Michaels, Minister, good morning.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
To you, good morning, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
This program or problem has been running out of control?
What are you doing to counter it?
Speaker 8 (51:01):
So on the fist of during we had the commencement
of new laws that allow twenty eight day closures, we
just had some targeted activity in the CBD which resulted
in five stores being closed, four of those for twenty
eight days, which is a positive step, really indicating how
seriously we're taking this and it's making a difference.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
And what long term impact do you hope it has.
I mean, these five unlicensed premises I believe are shut
down for seventy two hours, what would you hope to
achieve by doing that?
Speaker 8 (51:34):
So four of them have been shut down using the
new powers for twenty eight days. That's a significant debt
in any business that needs to shut down and continue
paying rents for a whole month. These were also previously
targeted with seventy two hour closures. Of course with the
new laws we've been able to shut them down for
twenty eight days if they want to open within that
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twenty eight days, opening themselves out to further prosecution penalties
of one point one million dollars, So you know it's
really making a dent. We've taken thirty four million dollars
of product off the streets. So we certainly continue to
tackle this and fair warning to anyone who thinks they
can get away with it.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
So you've shut down these and I guess checks are
going on around the city and around the state to
shut down others. Do you have any concept of how
many of these illicit premises are operating?
Speaker 10 (52:26):
Oh, we don't.
Speaker 8 (52:27):
We're really relying on the communityy community to report through.
There's an online porter you can report through to CBS.
You can remain anonymous. We take that information. CBS works
as staphole as well, and we certainly are targeting right
across the state regions Metropoplitan now that adelaide and of
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course the CBD ones were particularly targeted in the last week.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Have you been getting any kickback from the retailers.
Speaker 8 (52:55):
Yes, I think they're relatively unhappy with what we're doing.
Of course that are around those stores are really positive
feedback because it is a danger to our community to
have these stores running. Not only the health risks of
selling a listed tobacco and vapes, but obviously we know
there's organized crime elements as part of this, so it
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really does pose danger to those residents and those businesses
around these illegal stores, so very positive feedback from them.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Do they have any right of appeal?
Speaker 8 (53:30):
They can also this decision to be reviewed through an
internal review and then a process that goes through to
sake out the tribunal. We haven't had one of those yet.
I think they realize there's probably not much chance when
they're caught doing the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
It's obviously easier to track them down in metropolitan areas,
but what about regional areas.
Speaker 8 (53:52):
Yeah, so sort of about twenty five percent of our
work is out in the regions, and we have actually
done a lot of workout through the mid North even
to the southeast, so we are actually targeting a lot
in the regions as well. We know they're popping up
all over the place. We have done a lot of
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work in this space, so we really are genuinely leading
the nation in this. We're getting calls through from interstate
agencies asking us how we're doing what we're doing. We
had a national I guess a report card that came
out and we were rated an A plus from top
in the nation for the work that we've been doing.
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So we're making a dent. We know it's a big problem,
but we're certainly indicating to those people involved in this
sort of illegal trade that they are definitely a welcome
here in South Australia.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Anry Michaels, thanks for your time today, a Minister for
Consumer and Business Affairs, the crackdown on the sale of
elicit tobacco and vapes. Well for your chance to head
along and see the roberts and Brothers on either Wednesday,
June twenty five at Her Majesty's or Sunday June twenty
nine at the Barossa Arts Center, Tonnder Give me a
call right now, eight double two three double o double five,
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eight double two three double oh double five. The fourth
caller will win the prize. The Robertson Brothers a Majesty's
here at a Wednesday twenty night. Wednesday night, twenty fifth
of June, Barossa Arts Center Sunday afternoon June twenty nine.
Really entertaining if you love your music, if you love
music of the fifty sixties and seventies, so the Robertson
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Brothers are going to be right up your alley. Eight
double two three double O double five. You could be
the winner. Laurie, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 11 (55:38):
So icon this morning on the back to show regard
traveling and our traveling and social media don't need to
mix sometime.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, sure, tell me about it.
Speaker 11 (55:46):
And so gentlemen went to Los Angeles who arrived at
the airport and he got his visa canceled at sent home.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Oh that's right, Yes, I said, he's made.
Speaker 11 (55:56):
On social media. Now in my case, no, social media
doesn't have my rural name on it. I actually use
the first two letters of each of my name to
identify my social media. But also only I have my
social media private, and I also delete my posts every
four weeks, So every four weeks I go through and
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wipe out any posts.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
So I do have on there, right, So do you
you're saying some pretty inflammatory things? Are you suggesting that?
Speaker 11 (56:25):
Not at all? But the problem is that you come
as if you make a comment, if you make a
slow comment on somebody else's comment regards social media. Let's
say somebody attacks Trump, yeah, and I defend Trump. Then
a whole bunch of other people attack what I'm saying,
and then I stand my ground and defend myself again.
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But then I go to a country that's anti Trump,
and I'm pro Trump, those comments could get me, you know,
could prevent me from entering that country. That country's anti Trump.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
You can get yourself into real trouble without even trying,
Without even.
Speaker 11 (56:58):
Trying for that, employers now check social media. I'm an employer.
I employed just over four hundred people at our interview process.
I check social media, and I have not employed people
because of the In two particular people, they were pro
Nazi and they had various defamatory comments regards Jewish people
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and arean race and so on, And I didn't employ
them because of what they've written that were pro Nazi
type comments.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
And if they hadn't put that on social media, you
wouldn't have been aware of it.
Speaker 11 (57:33):
I would have had no clue. I've had people who
have checked the social media and they're standing in front
of marijuana plants. Well, I'm not going to employ that
person either, because in my industry, I can't have anybody
as stilly I associated with any sort of drugs.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
So you're using social media as an employment tool to
weed out those that you don't want to have working
for it.
Speaker 11 (57:56):
Ninety percent of employment agencies and employers HR people will
check social media.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, good on your Laurie. Thanks for you call. To
be warned is to be forearmed, isn't it So? If
you're putting stuff on social media and I look, I've
said this to my boys going back a few years,
be very careful what you put on social media. What
you put on right now might be really harmless, just
doesn't really mean anything. But a few years down the track,
a prospective employer might look at that and it might
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make them think, Hmmm, not so sure about this person.
So always realize that anything you put on social media,
even if it's only there for five minutes, someone will
record it and keep it and it's there forever. So
be careful. We have a winner going along to see
the Robertson Brothers at her majesty seat at Wednesday night,
June twenty five, the Barossa Arts Center. Sunday afternoon, June
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twenty ninth, Joanne at Modbury Heights. Congratulations to you. I
know you're going to enjoy the show.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Two eleven five Double A on a Thursday morning. This
being Thursday morning, of course, time for legal segment with
the compliments of Johnston Withers with over seventy five years
legal experience, Johnston Withers dot com dot A. You and
I welcome to the studio, Tim Downey, and you have
a guest for us at today, Tim.
Speaker 12 (59:12):
I do Graham. I've got Robin from our office, who
is our family law specialist. So we're very welcome.
Speaker 13 (59:19):
Good morning, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
It's a painless exercise. Don't you worry here till guide
you by the hand. It's all very.
Speaker 12 (59:25):
Absolutely, I've only broken down in tears once.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
Can't blame me for that, you're was that my fault?
Speaker 12 (59:35):
No, no, no, not at all. So we've got Robin
on Graham because there's been some recent changes to the
Family Law Act, right, and in fact they take effect
or just took effect last week. So Robin walked through those.
But I'd welcome any callers to call, particularly in relation
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to if they've got any specific family law issues. It's
obviously a little bit difficult to bring up at radio
station if you want to get advice and your wife
might be listening. So we assume that we're happy if
it's an assumed name. So, yeah, Robin, do you want
to sort of walk through some of these major changes?
Speaker 14 (01:00:21):
Yes, certainly, certainly, So tenth of June, which was Tuesday
last week, the Act change the main changes to the
Actor in relation to financial or property settlements, and they
focus on some main areas, which is how family violence
will affect division of assets in a relationship breakdown. They
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also deal with ownership of pets, and just some minor
issues in relation to disclosure requirements, disclosure of documents, and
also some minor amendments to divorce proceedings.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
When it comes to family violence, is that physical violence
or emotional violence or all forms of violence?
Speaker 14 (01:01:05):
Yeah, Look, the definition in the Act has been expanded
now so it includes physical violence, but it also recognizes
economic and financial abuse, coercive control, all of those sorts
of things. Now that the court can take into account.
Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
What if someone is midway through something in the family court,
does that change and when do they abound by the
original rules or what happens?
Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
No, the new rules will apply if that matter goes
to trials, So they apply from anything that happens in
the court after tenth of June.
Speaker 12 (01:01:39):
So what's the in terms of how that's going to
affect the family violence the new provisions? How is that
going to affect a financial settlement? For example.
Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
So up until now we've been guided by what previous
court cases have said about family violence and its effects
on property settlements. It's now in the act, it's going
to be clearer for everyone as to what happens from here.
But the crux of it is that if there has
been family violence that has resulted in someone not being
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able to contribute to the relationship financially or as a
homemaker or parent, So that involves family violence where someone's
not able to go out and work and contribute to
the family, or violence that affects the way that they
can do things around the home or look after the kids.
Then that will result in an adjustment in their favor
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in the property settlement.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
If you have a question for Robin or Tim, give
us a call now eight double two three double double O.
And Robin is expert in family and divorce law. What's
the situation if there's a partnership breakup and one of
the partners goes crazy with the money and start spending
and trips overseas in a Lamborghini and so forth like that.
Speaker 14 (01:02:54):
Yes, yeah, well that's another form of abuse. Is wasted
or deliberately running down the poll so that the other
party can't get anything at the end of it, So
things like wasting money on trips overseas or deliberately incurring
debts and liabilities to reduce the size of the poll
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is a form of abuse and all of those will
be looked at very carefully by the court to see
whether any adjustment needs to be made to account for those.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
When we heard the changes in the law, something that
a lot of people responded to was pet ownership. Yes,
and the fact that people are meeting thought, oh, never
thought about that, and there's way the kids and so forth.
But what happens with the pets.
Speaker 14 (01:03:36):
Yes, yeah, it's a sad thing that it's included in
the property section of the Act. But there hasn't traditionally
been anything about pets in the Family Law Act, but
there is now. The court can only order sole ownership,
so there won't be any custody agreements in relation to pets,
and the way that they work out who will have
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ownership of the pet is by looking at background factors
like who bought the pet, what name is it registered in?
But family violence comes into play here too, So if
there's been family violence that have been directed towards a pet,
then that will be taken into consideration, as well as
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any attachment to the pet by a party or a child,
especially with pets that are used for companion animals for
people with disabilities or neurodivergency, then that will all be
taken into account when working out who's going to get
the pet in the relationship breakdown.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
When it comes to partners in this sort of situation,
what sort of documentation and documents do they need to disclose?
And what happens if you decided not to?
Speaker 14 (01:04:50):
Yes, yeah, So the first step in any property settlement
is to work out what's actually in the asset, Paul,
and we do that by way of disclosure. Parties to
produce to the other side copies of documents like bank statements,
super statements, tax returns, pay slips, all of that kind
of thing to get a true picture of the financial
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situation of the relationship. Up until now, that requirement has
been in the family law rules and not actually in
the Act. Moving it to the Act has meant that
there are quite serious penalties if you do not disclose documents,
and those penalties cost penalties. They can actually take into
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account non disclosure in working out your overall property settlements.
So if you've done the wrong thing and haven't disclosed,
then that could go against you. So it's an imperative
first step to this whole process.
Speaker 12 (01:05:47):
And that's a classic thing, isn't it In the self
employed When you've got a self employed couple, or at
least one party to the couple is a self employed
it's often the mail. He's often running a business or
a company on the side, and that's when that disclosure
becomes really really critical, doesn't it to the other partner?
Speaker 13 (01:06:11):
It does?
Speaker 14 (01:06:12):
It does, And if the disclosure documents don't make it
clear as to what that might be worth or what
the income is, then you might actually have to get
other experts in accountants or a valuer to determine what
the value of that business is.
Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 12 (01:06:29):
Really what a lot of these court a lot of
the cases come down to, that, isn't it is this
trying to determine really what is the wealth of the
quite often the mail, and what his business wealth is
and having a trial about that.
Speaker 14 (01:06:44):
Yes, yes, and specifically what the contributions to that are,
either directly by the other party to the business or
indirectly by being the one that's at home doing everything
else so that that person can go out and run
that business successfully.
Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Yeah, if you have a question for Tim or Robin,
give us a call now eight double two to three
double double. Oh, if we can move on from a
family law at the moment. Two nervous shock claims. You
witness something that is disturbing in some way, something can
be horrific. Do you have redressed? Do you have right
to claim on it?
Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (01:07:19):
It's a long established area of English law is the
nervous shock claim. It goes back, you know, many many years.
So it's the whole idea that the nervous shock itself
causes a psychiatric injury. So it causes the injury, and
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that injury is then potentially compensible. So this is a
very very broad area of personal injury law. So it
might be that you've witnessed a car accident and by
witnessing that triggered an emotional response and then as a
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result of that, you know you've suffered the injury. So
in that sort of situation, you have to prove that
you have a psychiatric injury, and we do that by
getting a diagnosis from a doctor and then we look
at well, how does that psychiatric injury affect the person.
So that might be someone who is, for example, a
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courier driver and they're no longer able to work, so
that'll have a very large claim. So that's your sort
of really you know, garden variety sort of nervous shock
claim that we see, but there's restrictions around all of that.
So you then look at claims like the death of
a loved one. So if in the tragic circumstances of
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someone dying on the road, a parent will also potentially
have a claim all right as a result of that.
And that's because the shock of being told of that
catastrophe or that tragedy causes the same sort of emotional response.
So again a parent would have that sort of claim.
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A sister or a brother might, but they're excluded from
the act from being able to claim in the case
of a fatality like that. So those claims for nervous
shock are restricted to particular class and it's really got
to be wife or mother or father or vice versa.
So it's not as broad as your sister. If your
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sister was killed in a car accident, you don't have
a right of claim unless you witnessed it and there's
a whole lot of law about that. It's about the
actual witnessing of the event. So there's cases where someone's
driven past a scene of an injury which involved a
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loved one, but they didn't actually see the accident, so
that excludes them. So it's quite particular about what the
law will let in and let out. But nervous shock
even more generally. You know, you can happen in a
medical negligence environment where someone dies in hospital as a
result of negligence. And again if it's if that is
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your wife or husband, you would have that claim on
being told of the circumstances of that tragedy, then you
are diagnosed rap. So that's the sort of nature of it.
It's been expanded at the end of last year by
the High Court in relation to employment, where someone was
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successful in a nervous shock claim on being told that
they were being dismissed all right, ultimately in circumstances that
were found to be unlawful. There was an allegation made
against this person of that he'd done something in his employment.
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They sacked him, then subsequently he disputed that took them
to court. The reasoning was looked into more carefully, and
it was identified that in fact, the person that had
made the allegations had made them up and so and
this chap had suffered such a sort of nervous reaction
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as a result of being sacked that you just had
never returned to work. And the court found, well, that's
a legitimate nervous shock claim. So you can see the
court and the law will apply that quite broadly in
those cases.
Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
So what about is something slightly removed. You're walking down
the street and you look up a twenty story building
and someone jumps out and falls and hits the ground
in front of you. You don't know who they are. Would
you have right to a nervous shock claim?
Speaker 12 (01:11:49):
You would, but you know, in a rather morbid way,
you'd be having to sue the person that did that,
and they wouldn't be able to necessarily pay you. Now,
in those exact circumstances, however, you may have a cause against,
for example, the building, if there wasn't appropriate safety features,
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So if you could allege that in some way the
nature of that building, the way it was designed, and
particularly of course, you know, taking away someone that jumped
out on purpose, if someone fell and you saw it
and they fell in negligent circumstances, then you would certainly
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have a claim and that would lead that you know,
I see a lot of nervous shock claims and they
can be a little bit if he let's just say,
some of them. You really wonder how much nervous shock
someone would suffer. But in a case like that, i'd
you know, I can really imagine how that would be
the case. And so you'd be looking at, well, why
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did that person fall, how did they fall and that
happen in negligent circumstances?
Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
In a legitimate claim, what sort of damages could you
claim for a nervous shock?
Speaker 12 (01:13:07):
So you're always looking for whether, in the first instance,
did the nervous shock has that caused that person to
be unable to work? So that's your biggest thing because
then you can claim economic loss. There would be a
claim for loosely what's called pain and suffering or non
economic loss, And depending on the nature of the fall
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or the nature of the sorry the injury, you know,
that could be a significant sum of money if it's
led to serious psychiatric injury, but it could range from
you know, mybe a smaller claim not to ten thousand
dollars up to a multiple one hundred thousand dollar claim.
In fact, the chap that was successful for nervous shock
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for the loss of his job, that was a really
significant claim in the hundreds of thousands because he was
never going to work again. So it really tends to
come back to that sort of working house. It affected
their work capacity, and a lot of that will go
to what do they do for a living? As site
claims are always very difficult, but yeah, it's a very
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broad range, Graham.
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
From the text line, someone said, Hi, Graham, with the
nervous shop claims, does that include what has posted on
social media?
Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
Well, that'll be that is a really really good question,
to be honest, because that will be the sort of
envelope that someone ultimately will push. So, for instance, if
we go back to the terrible incident in New Zealand,
which was god it was probably six or seven years
ago where the basically the terrorists he went into a
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mosque and live streamed you know, him shooting people and
the whatever the platform was, I can't remember. They just
let it role live for some time before it was
taken down. So really, on the face of it, why
would there potentially not be a claim there for that
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nervous shock. Now, you know, you've got to get really
good evidence. You've got to be able to and for
anyone listening and that happens to them, the critical thing
is to get to a doctor and talk about it.
It doesn't look like a very strong claim if the
person hasn't seen a doctor and it's six months later,
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but for someone like that that could be very triggering.
They get a doctor that says yes, that is definitely
triggering and they end up having issues, then that'd have
a potential claim. The platform is going to argue that, well,
what can we do about it? You know that they'll say,
you know, we have reasonable, we put up reasonable you know,
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firewalls or whatever they might say. But there's no reason
that could not be a legitimate class.
Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
A Mornings with Gram Goodings.
Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
And it's our Johnston Withers Legal segment as always on
a Thursday morning, A double two three double o double O.
If you have a legal question, Barry has one.
Speaker 15 (01:16:15):
Barry go ahead, Hi, Hi there, Graham and Kim.
Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Hello Barry.
Speaker 15 (01:16:23):
Just with regards to proby it could you just tell
us what probate is and what a lawyer should charge
for doing probate?
Speaker 12 (01:16:35):
All right, thanks, Barry, going.
Speaker 13 (01:16:36):
To throw that to Robin morning, Barry.
Speaker 14 (01:16:40):
So, what probate is is basically a validation of the
will and it gives the league of the executive the
legal right to deal with the assets. So it's a
process where the will is produced to the court together
with a details of the assets and liabilities of the estate,
and the court issues probate, which gives the executor the
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legal authority to go and deal with those assets, so
sell them, transfer them to beneficiaries whatever the will instructs.
Speaker 15 (01:17:12):
Right, And what sort of cost would it involve?
Speaker 14 (01:17:16):
Yeah, Look, in terms of costs, it depends on how
complex the estate is, and whether you're engaging someone just
to do probate or whether you're engaging them to do
everything that results from the will, for example, doing the
transfers or calling in shares and all sorts of things
like that. But generally you should be looking at around
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the three to five thousand dollar mark, I would say
for a probate application and a simpler state.
Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Right, Okay, right, Gonnia Barry. Thanks for call eight double
two three double if you have a question from the
text line hi GG, could you please ask the lawyers
about moral injury? Okay, Tim over to you.
Speaker 12 (01:18:00):
Thank you. That's a very interesting question. I did get
a call yesterday from someone who had been told they'd
got a rental. They'd been said, Yep, you've ticked all
the boxes, the rental has been approved, only then about
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five hours later to get another call saying, oh, very
sorry to tell you that the application actually has been rejected.
We just noticed that you hadn't worked for the full
two years previously, so we can't offer you the house anymore. Now.
That's a sad story because it goes to our rental
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absolute crisis that we're facing here, and a lot of
hardship people are facing. In any event, this caused the person,
not surprisingly, to be very very upset, and they rang
to say could they sue because of their harm, the
harm they felt, the mental anguish that they'd experienced as
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a result of being told they're in and then being
told they're out. Is that a moral injury? I'm not sure?
Or is a moral injury just someone like you don't
like Donald Trump and you don't like his morals and
that's caused you injury, or maybe it's something you've seen
on social media. So maybe the question is around they've
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seen something on social media, or it might be women
that wear exercise gear around that looks like they're not
wearing much and that causes the moral damage. I don't know.
There's certainly not a cause of action for moral harm,
so I can say that for sure, and I think
the best thing to do is for the people to
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ring up and you know, complain to talk back radio
about how their morals have been cast a savagage. I
really don't think there's a cause of action.
Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
For moral harm, and it's difficult when you get one line.
So Jill, thank you for your question. That you've probably
pose more questions than yes, we've got answers. Yeah, Hi Graham.
Can you get money if injured by a scooter by
a child or adult and a shopping center, especially when
security do nothing.
Speaker 12 (01:20:15):
Yes, that's the big Yes. In an environment where you
ought to be additionally protected, like if you're inside a
shopping center, then you could definitely try to claim against
the shopping center, and I think that that'd be probably actionable.
The shopping center would probably say, well, look, we put
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signs up to say they're not allowed to have their
scooters in here, and we've got Bill and Fred the
security men that walk around, but they can't stop every
kid getting in, right, So I think it might be
a bit specific to the fact. So you need to
be able to show we'll hang on this kid's been
in this riding round on this scoot for ten minutes,
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or this kid does this every other day and Bill
and Fred haven't stopped him yet. So I think you'd
would certainly be a case I would look at, because really,
we're walking around a shopping center, right, We're not going
to be expecting some kid to come flying out of
somewhere on a scooter.
Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
And hit us.
Speaker 12 (01:21:20):
You know, I've got these sorts of cases from the
mall that's a little bit different, although there's there's certainly
an aspect of that here where you know, why should
anyone in the mall be flying around on a scooter?
So that this scooter issue is we're seeing now doctors
coming out I noticed him Perth recently where from a
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doctor from the Royal Perth Hospital came out and said
something has to be done. These scooter injuries are out
of control.
Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Thanks for that. Good on your tim no problem, Thank you,
Thank you, Robin, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 13 (01:21:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
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Graham Goodings, Good morning to you. I see unemployment rate
remain steady at four point one percent. Kendall will have
all last on that in the Southern Stradman figure in
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the news at midday while Premier Peter Malanaskis has unveiled
a plan to fast build homes using prefabricated construction methods,
announcing a tender for one hundred and twenty homes in
a pilot project. He said prefabricated housing was an innovative
way to deliver more homes faster. Foors, walls, roof panels
and other key components will be manufactured off the building
site before being assembled in locations across the state. This
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innovative pilot is just one way we can work with
industry to solve the challenges in housing, the premier said.
But wait a minute, isn't this just a relaunch of
a program already announced in the federal budget three months ago.
Treasurer Jim Chalmers said the federal government will invest fifty
four million dollars to support the construction of prefabricated and
modular home builds as part of the twenty twenty five
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federal budget. He said the majority of the money will
be given to the states and territories to invest in
programs that grow the prefab and modular housing industry, while
an additional four point seven million will be spent on
developing voluntary national certification processes for off site construction that
will streamline the approvals. So unless this is a new
modular home plan on top of the FEDS plan, this
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is recycled news. But let's face it, effort eases the
housing crisis, then bring it on. Eight double two three
double O double The numbered Ring. A story that was
on seven News the other night that horrified me and
no doubt you too if you saw it. An adle
woman was devastated after a thirteen year old little pup
wasn't so much a pup dog with tiny little puppy Lulu,
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fatally mauled by an off leash staffy cross at Croydon
and Verma said the dog launched at them, leaving Lulu
with horrific injuries. The attackers own a fled without offering
help or contact details. The incident has sparked renewed concern
over off leash dogs in public parks, and significant reforms
to dog and cat laws, including banning puppy farms, expanding
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feral cat eradication, and increasing penalties for dog owners that
attack people and other animals, has passed state parliament. So
to talk to us principally about the dog issue is
canine relationship coach and dog club owner Daniel Tropiano. Daniel,
good morning to you.
Speaker 16 (01:24:19):
How are you today, Yeah, good morning, Graham, Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
It's a pleasure. Now you're involved with the dog. So
that's the angle we'll look at. There are obviously far
too many of these cases where dogs uncontrolled, and this
case mauled and killed a small dog, but it could
just as easily have been a young child.
Speaker 16 (01:24:39):
I totally agree with you. I've been waving my hands
about this issue on five over the last couple of years.
The problem is is that we have a systemic failure here,
and we can make all the changes to the acts,
which is a reactive response to a traumatic situation. It's
not going to stop these dog attacks from happening. It
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may create a bigger consequence to the people once they happen,
but we're still going to experience the trauma before we
even address the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
So what do we need to do.
Speaker 16 (01:25:11):
Well, again, we need to work with the industry in
order to come up with some sort of regulations, whether
that's on the front end of dog ownership. We need
to have some sort of compelling system where we need
to make dog owners aware of the fact that when
you keep these animals, there's a serious amount of work
that needs to go into them to make sure that
they can be productive in our society. And those people
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that buy dogs at the minute and how clueless to that,
are not going to be reading the Act to see
what punishments they may face if the dog is responsible
for a dun ac attack. Because most of these people
they will tell you that, well, my dog has never
shown me signs of doing this until the day that
it happened. We're going to have more and more problems.
Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I mean, any dog can bine, there's no question about that.
But isn't it the case that there are certain breeds
of dogs that are more prone to be quite vicious.
Speaker 16 (01:26:02):
Oh, like we have breeds that are bred for jobs. Yes,
of course there's certain jobs that require a different type
of character in the dog. The thing that remains the
same is that we have a standard that we need
to live by in society, and it doesn't matter what
sort of person you are, you still need to follow
that standard of behavior. And the fact is is that
we don't have that same approach when it comes to
the dog world. We think that we need to make
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these dogs bouncing off the walls, excited and happy to
be wherever they are, and all this arousal is just
covering some nervous dogs underneath, and it's going to lead
to more and more problems. Again, so from a training perspective,
what we would like to see is a realistic approach
to the training aspect of these animals. The thing is
that stood out in the Deputy Premier's media release, or
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the media release I was sent quoting the Deputy Premiere
was that she said that these punishments are going to
act as a great deterrence. Now I'm happy for the
fact that she used the word punishment, because if you
look in all the literature coming from the Dog and
Cat Management Board, the RSPCA, nearly every counsel in our state,
they all say that punishment has no place in behavior modification.
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But that's just not the case, and that's why the
whole system fails. Even a training perspective, the narrative is
that you cannot punish these dogs. It's punishment that is
going to come into play, which is going to keep
dogs in society to a standard of behavior that's necessary.
Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
So you believe that every dog should have to be trained.
I do.
Speaker 16 (01:27:29):
I definitely believe that even a little shits. It doesn't
matter the breed, doesn't matter what sort of person we are,
doesn't matter if we're big or small. We all have
to follow the rules.
Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And this is the thing, isn't it. I Mean, you
get a lot of people say, look, I've just got
a little lap dog and it wouldn't hurt a fly.
But you're suggesting that every dog needs to be trained.
Speaker 16 (01:27:49):
Well, you look at the little lap dog, right, Nana's
little white multi shits do and walks down the street
and is barking at everything that it sees. Now that
same behavior is the start a potential by risk, Right,
So just the fact that it's a little white dog
doesn't mean that it's not on the pathway to potentially
biting someone. So of course every dog needs to understand
the rules.
Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
So where do we start. What have we got to do?
I mean, as you've said, you know, imposing strict fines
and punishments as at the wrong end of the process.
Speaker 16 (01:28:18):
Definitely, it's the wrong end of process. The punishment is
only effective if the timing of the punishment is correct
and the size of the punishment is correct. And what
we're doing here is we're coming in way after the
fact and we're trying to give a huge punishment. But
like I said, it doesn't stop. We can put things
in place. I don't know what they are yet. But
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if we look at the same way that we build
behavior and dogs and get rid of behavior, if we
can follow the pathway that's going to lead to these
traumatic events from happening, and find a point along that
pathway that we can intervene and make sure there's checks
in place or something in order to make sure that
everyone's above board. Whether that's some sort of a dog
ownership license and you have to a crew a certain
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amount of points of sort of like professional development, but
for dog ownership along the way, whatever it is. But
we need to get people a little bit more active
when it comes to the appropriate housing of these animals.
Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
As I was saying before talking to you, this horrific
incident where this use tiny little dog was mauled to
death by a Staffy cross And now the physical size
of the dogs would mean that the little malti ear
had no chance at all. But staffy cross as are
renowned for being vicious dogs. Is there a case to
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be said for banning dogs of this nature?
Speaker 16 (01:29:37):
The banning dogs. They've tried to ban breeds in the past,
and banning breeds just sends the breeding of those breeds
into the underground. So that's not the answer either, a right,
So again we need to be a little bit more
proactive onto the whole dog ownership. Doesn't matter what dog
you're going to get, right, dog ownership is dog ownership.
You need to have a firearms license because the firearm
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can potentially cause death, and a lot of these dogs
and breeds like they can cause serious harm. Doesn't matter
what that it's an aggressive breed or whatever. We hadd
a Jack Russell and maybe a year or so Ago
at a playground attack a little child. So again it's
not the size of the breed, it's the fact that
these dogs don't they how to function in today's society
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because they're not living balanced and clear lifestyles.
Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
What advice would you have for people listening in who
have a dog or are thinking about getting a dog?
Speaker 16 (01:30:28):
Cold Dog Club so that we can guide you through
the process. We consult with people from before they even
get dogs so that we can actually take them on
a journey so they really understand what they're getting into
and we can find the appropriate sort of dog to
fit their lifestyle, and then we can guide them through
the process so they don't have any of these issues.
Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Great advice. Thanks for your time today, Daniel, great.
Speaker 10 (01:30:47):
To chat that much.
Speaker 16 (01:30:48):
Have a good run to face.
Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Daniel Tropiano, canine relationship coach. What are your thoughts folks?
Do you have a dog, do you trust it, has
it been trained? And as Daniel said, it not necessarily
the size of the dog. It just can be the
dog's demeanor. When he says, love dogs, but all dogs
should be muzzled with on the street. There was a
dog attack at a local tennis court. A small park
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near my place. The owner quickly leashed his dog and
walked off without exchanging details. The dog owner took photos
of him and warned others on social media, but as
far as I know, he wasn't located. These people need
to be outed the situation where someone has a dog
and it attacks someone else's dog and they no remorse
at all, no care, no exchange of details, and they
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just leave the scene, and that is an absolute disgrace.
And anyone that does that is I'm just going to say, subhuman.
That's probably what I mean. You know, that is just
I mean. If I had a dog and I took
it to a park and it attacked someone else's dog
and mauled it, I would be absolutely mortified, and I
would do everything in my power to rectify the situation,
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and I would exchange all the details. If they wanted
to take legal action, they would have to do it,
because I would feel responsible. These people have their dogs,
I think it's an extension of their personality. Are vicious
and do awful things to other pets and peat potentially
people too, and then accept none of the responsibility. It's
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totally totally unacceptable. What are your thoughts? Eight Double two
three double O double Oh is my number?
Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Five?
Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty two past eleven
five double A. Let's take some calls. Carl, good morning,
Hey Graham, how are you good? Thanks?
Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
Look, I guess I just want to be able to chat.
I've had this situation where my wife got bidden by
a dog, and I mean the type of dog doesn't
really matter, but this was like a small dog at
Jack Russell and I know that they tend to be
the happiest ones, but you know, I think that every
dog owner thinks that they can control their dog, that
their dog is you know, somewhat answerable to them, and
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so that they can leave them off the league. I
just think the reality is is that they're just their
bodies writing checks their ego can't have, or so their
egos writing check their body can't cash.
Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
Yeah, these dogs just don't seem to have the necessary training,
and so, you know, I think that just putting on
penalties on the owners is that really the Is that
really the right solution. Are we just wanting to penalize
or are we wanting to be able to promote you
responsible dog ownershit.
Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
It's at the back end isn't it. They should certainly
be penalized, But let's get to a situation where the
offense or the attack doesn't occur in the first place.
Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Well, I think I think it's also you know, why
aren't we matching owners up with the right temperament dog
in the right location. I mean, is it really fair
to have a German shepherd living in an apartment block
for example? You know, do they need time to run
out or at least does the owner have a plan
on how they're going to be able to give that
dog what they need.
Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
I think the case a lot of times is that
they see a little, pretty cute little puppy and it's
tiny and lovable, and not realizing that in a year's
time it's to be almost as big as they are.
Speaker 7 (01:34:03):
Well, what amazes me is that people are prepared to
be able to pay to go to the gym for themselves,
go and get personal training, and yet they don't seem
necessarily compelled to do the same thing for their other
family members, one of them being a dog.
Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Yeah, now, good advice, Carl, I agree entirely. Maybe it
should be compulsory that if you want a dog, you
have to get them trained Elizabeth Goodburning, Good morning, Graham.
Speaker 17 (01:34:26):
I've had a most horrible experience because we had people
coming to the farm for a particular reason, and this
day a woman arrived with her little boy and mar
Jack Russell terrier thick this child on the face, and
I was so upset, and I've never took office. I
picked the dog up when these people left, and I
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took it to the bet and had it put down
because you couldn't have an animal that was going through
that around anywhere. So years later I met this woman somehow,
I've got no idea how, and she said she'd been
at the farm and her boy has been my dock.
And I said, I have worried about you ever since,
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because I wondered if that little child was sarton of
dogs forever. Yeah, And she said no, and they went
to the doctor as the child wasn't badly damaged at all.
But I just had wished that I had been phoned
and told about this, because it's upset me ever since.
Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Yeah. No, look, Elizabeth, I can understand how you feel
about it, and I think most reasonable people would be
exactly the same if they had a dog that caused
an injury to another person or to another dog, they'd
feel bad about it. Unfortunately, there are people in the
community out there who are laws on themselves and if
their dog attacked your dog, they probably go away. So well,
my dog was tougher than their dog. I mean, totally
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reprehensible low life citizens. Mark Brindle is the former MP
who calls A regularly on a whole range of subjects.
Can I Mark, you want to talk about the housing crisis?
Speaker 18 (01:36:04):
Yes, yes, Graham. I'm a bit surprised that, with your
long memory, you didn't mention that not only as Albow
announced this prefab home and Peter reused it, but if
you actually think in our time, it goes back to
a guy called Sir Thomas Playford built lots of FreeFAB
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homes all around.
Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Adelaide predates me slightly, but only slightly, It.
Speaker 18 (01:36:30):
Doesn't really, but you'd remember that, you'd remember the suburbs
that were housing trust and he actually utilized it to
give people affordable housing, to keep house prices in South
Australia a bit in check, and certainly to keep rentals
in check. But having said that, the big opportunity I
think the government's missing is the waste of resources. If
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you actually look and I'm sure you have it. Sometimes
the density of housing now is under two, so for
every house there's slightly under two people living in it. Sure,
whereas when you and I grew up there were five
in the house. Now all of that resources pouring into
houses and they haven't thought to say that people like
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Graham Goodings and Mark Brindle, Hey, we will give you
a stamp, duty rebate or something to shift from your
bigger house into a smaller house, because there's lots of
us Graham who probably are in the house too big,
but white seal because you know, basically we're giving the
government too much money for doing so.
Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yeah, I think a lot of people will be if
there was an incentive to do it. I mean, you're
not being forced to do it, but given the option,
if you weren't paying through the nose for it. As
you say, stamping, you know, the government puts its hand
out and more than happy to take the stamp.
Speaker 18 (01:37:44):
Jutty exactly right, And you know that would I think
without using more resources, carving up more land, etc. If
we got to people into the size housing they could afford,
and provide an incentive to do it. A lot of
the house for us, as I think would just disappear.
Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Good lad for thinking. Thanks for that, Mark, Mark Brendle.
There one more call before news headlines will good.
Speaker 19 (01:38:07):
Morning, Good morning Graham. This dog business, I think what
should happen. Everybody that buys a dog after six months
should take it to obedience school because I used to
have a shepherd many many years ago, and every Sunday
I took it to obedience school and they the trainers
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training you to train the dog. You the one who
has to train the dog, and they teach you how
to train the dog. You know, people talk to an
animal sometimes like a human being. Get it down, don't
do that. They've got to be short, sharp words, sits drop, stay, no,
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and that's it. And a dog will understand that. And
if you pump that into them, you've got no problems.
Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Yeah, good on you will. Thanks for input. I think
that should be mandatory. If you want to dog, the
dog has to be trained. And as much as Will said,
it's training you as well, because it all well and
good to say, my dog's fine, you know, a bit
of a rat bag, but won't get up to any mischief.
And then you are not able to control them at all.
They're not people. They are animals after all, much and
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all as we love them.
Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Twenty two twelve five Double A. Let's take a call.
One more call on dogs, Steven, Good morning, Good a, Graham.
Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Thanks?
Speaker 20 (01:39:32):
Look, I'm just really confirming what your previous call is
said about his German shepherd of getting it trained and
getting the inner trained as well, which is what I
went through as well. So I think he touched on
something which I think was really important. That is, at
the end of the day, we're dealing with dogs. We're
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not dealing with human being yep. And I think all
too often, especially around where I live and a lot
of little white flush the dogs running around on leashes,
it seems to be the end thing. And they're treated
like human beings and they're not human beings. They're dogs.
And I think people need to realize that even a small,
yabby dog can still bite you.
Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Yeah, most certainly. I mean you can love them to death,
and you can love them like a member of the family,
but they are, after all, animals, they're not people.
Speaker 20 (01:40:23):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Good on your Stephen, Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Yeah,
that's what we look. You treat a dog like a
member of the family and you can, but don't ever
forget that it is an animal. They have instincts that
are different to ours, to humans, and you can say
it's so human they react something, you know, but when
it gets down to it, in essence, if they're you know,
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in a situation where they're fearful, they're intimidated, they will
react like an animal and that's what they are. But
if they're trained properly, at least you have some level
of control to change the subject entirely. I welcome to
the studio. Penny ready, pick essay, pick a local pick Penny.
Speaker 13 (01:41:00):
How are you, Penny, I'm good, Thank you, Thank you
for having me. Graham.
Speaker 21 (01:41:03):
Always good to come in and talk to you about
what's happening in South Australian horticulture and produce.
Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Yeah, look, we'll get on to that in a moment.
It's more specifically the goods and bads and what of buying.
But I was absolutely shocked to learn that fruit and
vege consumption and Australia is declining. We're not eating as
much of it as we once did.
Speaker 21 (01:41:22):
No, it's interesting I've just returned from the Horticulture conference
up in Brisbane. We have an annual conference up there
and it was a big topic of conversation. It's not
just in Australia, it's actually a lot of the western countries.
We are declining on the amount of fresh fruit and
vegetables we're consuming. We're certainly not getting our five and
two a day and there's a big resurgence to try
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and encourage people to do that. So the statistics don't
look huge. It's a drop of fourteen grams per person
per day in vegetables and twelve grams per person per
day in fruit, But if you multiply that by the
number of Australians that we have living here, it's hundreds
of thousands of kilos of fresh produce. So it's a
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concern that we need to be thinking about for our
health and the health of the nation. It's also a
concern around our industry as well, because you can imagine,
you know, the cost of input, the cost of growing
produce is increasing, but if consumers are eating less of it,
it's it's not a great scenario for the sustainability of
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our health and the sustainability of the industry. There's there's
so many impacts that come from that. Like I said,
it's not just Australians. There are it is happening in
the UK and the US, et cetera. But I think,
you know, we just need to we really need to
take stock of it.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
And what's the theory. Why is it happening?
Speaker 21 (01:42:43):
Well, I mean, I think there's there's a number of factors.
One of the other things that came out at the
conference is that our eating habits are formed in our.
Speaker 13 (01:42:51):
First five years.
Speaker 21 (01:42:53):
So it's really quite important that you know that children
are setting themselves up with good health, heat eating, healthy
eating habits, that carers of children are giving them those habits,
et cetera. So you will see there's been a fair
bit of investment in influencing children with a program was
just announced with the Wiggles and they're going to be
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doing a lot more. So it's and I think, you
know it's convenience is a big thing as well.
Speaker 13 (01:43:18):
We're quite lazy, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
We like convenience fast food society.
Speaker 21 (01:43:24):
Whilst we are seeing fresh produce decline, we are kind
of seeing more increase on you know, uber eats and
restaurants and things like that, so people maybe getting them
by buying them through restaurants. However, the starts on the
purchasing of fresh fruit and vegetables. There's also a bit
of a misconception. Like I come out, how many people
I talk to and they're like, oh, fresh fruit and
vegetables expensive, And I'm like, is it, Like how much
(01:43:46):
does it cost you to make a bowl of pumpkin
soup that can feed the whole family? You can't tell
me that that's going to cost you more than if
you were to go buy a family meal at McDonald's.
And it's got more nutrition when you're eating, you know,
nutrition and fiber, you're filling yourself up. You know, it
lasts longer, you've got better nutrition or value from it.
So I think fresh produce can be expensive, but if
(01:44:09):
you buy in season and you know, make it stretch
as much as you certainly can, it can be very
very affordable and if not cheap, you know, so we
know it's better for.
Speaker 13 (01:44:20):
You, absolutely it's better for us.
Speaker 21 (01:44:22):
And so you know that's why people like me and
other marketers around the country are doing everything that we
can to inspire people to, you know, try to use
their fruit and vegetables in a different way and encourage
that consumption just adding that one piece of vegetable back
into your diet for the day. You'll hear me talk
about things like, you know, put a radish on your sandwich,
or put some onion in or just a little something
(01:44:45):
just to add a little bit more fruit and vegetable
back into your diet.
Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Variety is a spice of life.
Speaker 13 (01:44:49):
Is absolutely as you said, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
A double edged sword. It's one thing to sort of say, well,
you know, fruit and veget it's a bit expensive, and
you rightly said no, it's not habits change, but even
just a minor diminution of the amount of fruit and
vents you have has a ripple effect to the man
and woman on the land. The people are producing that.
So it's not good for the economy and it's not
(01:45:14):
good for your health. So the double edged sword there
is you're eating less equality food and you're not putting
back into the economy.
Speaker 21 (01:45:22):
Yeah, so it's not only the horticulture industry, it's also
the health industry that are going to see we impress right,
because you know, we're going to be having a lot
more health issues if we're not getting proper produce into US.
Speaker 13 (01:45:32):
So it's a challenge.
Speaker 21 (01:45:35):
Like I said, I just went to the horticulture conference
and lots of us were talking about it, and there's
lots of people kind of doing everything that we can
to try and encourage Australians to change that habit because
the statiticians have looked at it and said that if
we keep going the way we are, by twenty thirty
the reduction will be ten percent lers. So it's not
a good start, it's not a good trend. Do we
(01:45:56):
need to buck the trend and do everything that we
can to change that?
Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Well, there's plenty of stuff out there, so let's talk
about what is available at the moment, what's in season,
and what's good value.
Speaker 21 (01:46:05):
Yeah, so it's South Australian citrus season, so there's plenty
of varieties coming in at the moment. The carracara oranges
have started and this is a bit of a favorite.
It doesn't last for too long this season. Some people
confuse sakara kara with a grapefruit because it does actually
have a bit of a pinky flesh to it, so
it's actually a seedless orange and it is a bit sweeter.
(01:46:28):
So if you want to try a different orange variety,
mix up the fruit basket, try the karracara oranges, and
then also in citrus. There's plenty of lemons around, so
where quite a few of us are fighting colds at
the moment. I know I've got a bit of a sniffle,
so I've been trying to get some lemon water into
me every morning.
Speaker 13 (01:46:45):
Or you might be having some warm lemon and honey.
Speaker 21 (01:46:47):
So good to know that there's local ones around and
lots of mandarins at the moment. They're a great one
to put into the kid's lunch box, aren't They seems.
Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
To be lots of varieties. How do you pick a
good mandarin? Sometimes very soft and squishy. Is that a
good sign or well?
Speaker 21 (01:47:02):
I mean everyone has different preferences. I don't like the
soft and squishy ones. A little bit firmer is probably better,
and they're a bit easier to peel as well.
Speaker 13 (01:47:11):
And a good trick that a grower.
Speaker 21 (01:47:12):
Showed me is you pop your thumb down the middle
of the mandarin and split it in half, and that's
a great way to peel mandarins as well.
Speaker 13 (01:47:19):
So yeah, but.
Speaker 21 (01:47:21):
There's a few varieties around at the moment of them,
so we should all be having at least one of
them a week would be good.
Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
If I can get back to oranges, as we're saying,
as I love oranges and the different varieties, what would
be the most popular orange variety?
Speaker 21 (01:47:35):
I believe it's called a Washington and that. Yeah, the
Washington navel is quite heavily grown here in South Australia.
But look, oranges, there's lots of different varieties coming out,
like I said, the car a car oranges, and then
in about a month's time we'll start to see the
blood oranges as well, and they've had a bit of
a resurgence and people are enjoying the flavors that the
(01:47:56):
blood orange brings as well. So yeah, there's plenty of
But you know, the Washington navel I believe, is one
that's grown quite a lot here in South Australia.
Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Lots of vitamin C.
Speaker 13 (01:48:07):
Lots of vitamin C.
Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Now pomegranates, yes, you know, I have.
Speaker 21 (01:48:13):
A love hate relationship with pomegranates because I love them,
but I hate healing.
Speaker 13 (01:48:18):
Terrible. It is a bit of hard work, but it
is worthwhile.
Speaker 21 (01:48:21):
Lots of antioxidants in them and so which is actually
really good for exercise performance and recovery. So instead of
having a crazy can of something, you could have pomegranates.
Speaker 13 (01:48:32):
It's going to give you just some natural input there.
Speaker 21 (01:48:36):
And one thing that I've been trying is putting my
pomegranates with things that you probably wouldn't normally do. I
put them in my mushroom tacos the other day. I've
had them with the roast pumpkin before, but mushroom tacos
and putting the pomegranate seeds in there was a good one.
So try that one, Graham.
Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
All right, I will let's move on to some veg.
Speaker 13 (01:48:56):
Some veg. I'm loving beetroot at the moment.
Speaker 21 (01:48:59):
There's some really good applies of really good locally groom
beetroots around at the moment.
Speaker 13 (01:49:04):
So they're really good to roast.
Speaker 21 (01:49:05):
And we had a brand ambassador, Calmhan the other day
doing some cooking forests and he did a beetroot rosotto,
which I thought was a really interesting way to include
bee treat into your diet. They're really good for digestive health,
and so that's a that's a great one to be
adding in at the moment.
Speaker 13 (01:49:22):
The other thing that's really good.
Speaker 21 (01:49:23):
And it's interesting you talked about We've been talking about
dogs this morning. I had dinner at a friend's house
the other night and they had two dogs, and she
pulled out a couple of carrots and she gave a
carrot to her dogs.
Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Really, I've never seen a dog eat carrot.
Speaker 21 (01:49:35):
I don't think I've ever seen that either, But her
two dogs eat carrots.
Speaker 13 (01:49:39):
She feeds some carrots all the time. So and so.
Speaker 21 (01:49:43):
As well as dogs, there's also a bit of a
viral salad that's trending at the moment. I've brought to
you before the viral cucumber salad. Well, now there's a
viral carrot salad that's doing the rounds on TikTok. I
know you're not on TikTok, Grandma funny. So basically, what
people are doing are doing making ribbons out of the
(01:50:03):
carrots and then adding Asian spices to them and eating
them like very similar to the cucumber salad if you're
familiar with that one. So I think it's a great way.
And I heard a phrase the other day it's about
eating your skincare.
Speaker 13 (01:50:18):
So carrots are really good for skincare.
Speaker 21 (01:50:20):
So I love that, So don't forget about just eating
carrots for whatever.
Speaker 13 (01:50:24):
If you're after good skincare.
Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Check how I used to say about carrots, was it
good for your eyesight?
Speaker 21 (01:50:29):
Good for your eyesight, but apparently is good for your
skin as well. So so get onto the viral ribbon
carrot salad. It's very simple. You just basically ribbon your carrot.
It's a good way to use them.
Speaker 13 (01:50:40):
Up as well. Add a bit of soy sauce.
Speaker 21 (01:50:42):
Some sesame oil, some sesame seeds, some everything bagel seasoning
and you've got an amazing tasting salad. So for grain
here in South Australia and good supply at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Globe artichokes are what do you use those for?
Speaker 21 (01:50:57):
Yeah, they're interesting. You either them and use them a
lot or you don't. I can't say I personally buy
them and stop them at home all the time, but
I have been told they're in really good supply at
the moment.
Speaker 13 (01:51:07):
So normally you steam.
Speaker 21 (01:51:09):
Them and then the leaves kind of fall off of them.
And an interesting fun fact if you want to know
how to pick a fresh globe art choke, apparently when
you squeeze them, the leaves need to squeak squeak, Yes,
So if you give them a bit of a squeeze,
they'll give you a little bit of a squeak back,
(01:51:30):
and you know that they're fresh and ready to go.
Speaker 13 (01:51:32):
So if you're after your glob ot chokes, I hope.
Speaker 21 (01:51:35):
Fruit and vegetabors all around us squeaking with globe arter
chokes this week.
Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
The one thing that couliflowers soup that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 21 (01:51:43):
Yeah, it is soup season, intnet. I make some broccoli
soup on the weekend.
Speaker 13 (01:51:47):
I love that.
Speaker 21 (01:51:48):
Lasted me a few days, very feeling. But couliflowers really
good for soup as well. It's really easy, and I
like couliflower and broccoli soup probably better than pumpkin just
for the ease of cutting them up, you know. But
it's definitely a lot harder to chop up a pumpkin
than what it is to chop up a cauliflower broccoli.
Speaker 13 (01:52:08):
So it's a very easy mealing. You know.
Speaker 21 (01:52:11):
I bought a cauliflower for maybe four dollars the other day,
so you can't tell me that that's expensive. So a
four dollar coliflower, a dollar worth of vegetable stock and
a bit of cream like for under five dollars you.
Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Get a couple of meals out of it more absolutely
absolutely makes a lot of sense. Yeah, now, just before
you go penny Retailer of the Year. How's that going.
Speaker 21 (01:52:29):
Yes, So we've got a ten weeks shopping wing campaign
running in all the pick A Local Picks stores at
the moment, and at the end of it we have
Retailer of the Year. So every time you enter that competition,
you're actually voting for your local store. It's a national campaign.
There's over five hundred independent fruit and vegetas across Australia
that are involved. Now Adelaide, Fresh, Morpho vwal Up South
(01:52:51):
has actually won the top gone. They have won National
Retailer of the Year three out of the four last years,
so I think they're giving it a fight again this year.
We would love to see if South Australian store win
as well. So if you're in a local fruit and
bed shop and you see this shop and Win campaign,
please enter over the next couple of weeks because every
time you do, it's a vote for a South Australian store.
(01:53:13):
And we'd love to come in here next time and
tell you that a South Australian store has won that competition.
Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
Good on your penny, thanks for dropping by.
Speaker 13 (01:53:20):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Penny ready, look for the red pick a local pick Essa.
Let sign in your local fruit and bed store. You
know you're supporting a southa Stone and business, supporting SA growers.
And the final word goes to Jane, who says roasted
tie pumpkin soup yum, my favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.
Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
It's eleven to twelve on five Double A after one
this afternoon. Guess who it is. It's Leith Forest, Good morning.
Speaker 22 (01:53:46):
Can I give you I don't know whether you agree
with this or not, Can I give you a saying
that I'm a massive dog lover, as you may or
may not know. So I've had two German Shepherds, Yeah,
sadly both past I've got two Golden Retrievers. Now, no
such thing as a bad dog, there's only a bad owner.
Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Yeah. No, I tend to agree with that. It's the
way you bring. If the dog doesn't know what to
do because of you, you haven't trained it or you
haven't would I be right in saying that if you
do training, it's more about you learning dog learning.
Speaker 22 (01:54:17):
Yes, yeah, yep, and so we Our two German shepherds
were military like. They were the best behave boys you've
ever seen. I never let them off the lead once
because even though they behave for us, I didn't trust
them in the environment. And it's also not if you're
a parent with your kid at a playground, you don't
want to see a German Shepherd bounding your way. The
two Golden Retrievers I let off all the time because
(01:54:38):
again they're more boisterous and fun etc.
Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Personality. That's right.
Speaker 22 (01:54:43):
Nobody's scared of a Golden Retriever, whereas a German Shepherd
bounding your way, it's scary. And we've had we had
two incidents where we've got in dog fights in the
middle of dog fights that were not our fault, stray
dogs that will come and charge your dog and then
and it's frightening to be a part of you just
don't know what to do. So I understand exactly what
you're talking about this afternoon, but you can see it.
If the owner is nervous, and if the owner hasn't
(01:55:05):
done the right thing, then the dog's going to have
that behavior too.
Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Well. A dog will panic the dogs get fearful and
they just their animals. They are going to protect themselves.
Totally understandable.
Speaker 22 (01:55:15):
I've seen young girls at Henley Square and I don't
mean to pick on the girls or the ladies, but
I've seen young girls with these massive, muscular dogs and
I'm like, good luck. You are no chance if that
dog takes off because you don't have the strength to
control that dog.
Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
So dogs are great. I love dogs. I've think dogs
all through my wife, not all that until the last
one was a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel. Stupid dogs on
the planet, but didn't We didn't take Dino out for
a walk because he would just lay down and say, no,
I'm not going there.
Speaker 22 (01:55:47):
We now have two Golden Retrievers who think their lap
dogs so really and were never allowed on the couch
ever ever, and that's sort of I've softened now, and
all of a sudden you've got these thirty forty kilo
Golden Retrievers saying, oh well, I'll just hop on dad
while I'm watching TV. Doesn't work. They fit in your
lap and the rest of your body.
Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
But the dogs are great, but you've got to remember
their animals and they need to be trained after and
treated that way. Very true.
Speaker 22 (01:56:13):
Personal question for you. Do you watch Netflix?
Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 22 (01:56:17):
Have you ever seen the show Somebody Feed Phil? You
aware of this show?
Speaker 17 (01:56:21):
So?
Speaker 22 (01:56:22):
Phil Rosenthal is the creative genius behind Everybody Loves Raymon. Oh,
he created that show.
Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
We've started watching Everybody Loves Raymond again.
Speaker 22 (01:56:30):
Well, you might like this show. So Phil has a
show called Somebody Feed Phil where he goes around the world.
He stops off at different cities and he enjoys the
food of that city. He then meets the local chefs
and the local bakers, et cetera, and they all It's
a show about food and travel and people. It's the
eighth series. It starts on Netflix today and in this
(01:56:53):
current series is places like Boston and Las Vegas and
Osaka and Amala and Adelaide. He filmed season eight here
in Adelaide, so we share an episode with Sydney. He's
on the show today after one o'clock. So he went
to four different places in Adelaide, which is not a
real spoiler alert, but Africola, North Terrace with Duncan, Parwana,
(01:57:17):
have you been Towa on Henley Beach Rod with the
girls Karney. He went to the Central Market and he
also caught up with Daniel Motlop and Paula Vanderberg and
did some indigenous cooking out in the bush.
Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Brilliant.
Speaker 22 (01:57:30):
Yeah, So if you're a fan of the show, if
you're a fan of him, or are you're just a
fan of great Adelaide restaurants. There it is on a
world stage, millions of viewers on Netflix Adelaide, you've heard
about it. As of today, we'll be watching. Well, you've
got an eight series to catch up. Now you can
watch the Australian one work first, watch the Adelaid version.
If you like it, then you go every great city
you've ever been to or ever one two. He's probably been.
Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
There and Eton and he's skinny.
Speaker 22 (01:57:54):
There's nothing of him, which.
Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
I don't imagine what had happened to me. If I
was doing it a food chow around the world where
people feeding me I was being paid to eat, I
would be huge.
Speaker 22 (01:58:02):
Well, I had to dodge the lady you just had
talking about the fruit and vege before, just in case
she asked what I was eating.
Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
So a lot, not a lot, go on your lead.
Thanks Cram. That's Leith Forest this afternoon with lots on
his show eight double two three double O double is
my number and before we go, we have got long
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Today we celebrate care Alert for your chance to win
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a care alert free visit care Alert dot com dot
au carelt. My mother had a care Alert alert and
it was wonderful, although I remember but where we're in
the US at one stage and the carell it went
off and we were in the US and my mother
was home here in Adelaide. Not much we could do,
but still it was all sort of out and it
had a happy ending. Ge I agree with Daniel one
(01:59:13):
hundred percent. I have two dogs, bought a colliee the
youngest two and a half years old. I attend training
weekly with the youngest still and will continue to do
so until I'm happy as an acceptable level. Dogs are
not an accessory as many believe. They need. Training and
structure equals time, a lot of work, and this cost dollars.
I'm happy to do it. Most are not the puppy farms.
(01:59:37):
Only registered breeders should be able to sell dogs. Yeah,
I think we'd certainly agree with that. Good morning, Graham.
It's extremely difficult to get a gun license, yet anyone
can get a dog license. Both can be lethal. This
is where the problem lies regards Len. I own a
dog that, to those on the outside, seems aggressive, and
as such I don't run her off the lead. Yet
(01:59:59):
so many people on my walks along the esplanade here
in glenelg allar their dogs to be roaming off the
lead and give me the disgusted look when my dog reacts. Yes,
she's a Staffy cross who's very loyal and protective. People
have to read the signs dogs on leads down here
in Glenell. Good on you, thanks for that, Darren. A
neighbor looked over the fence and noticed he was digging
a great, big hole. What's in the hole or what's
(02:00:22):
the hole for? He asked, My pet bird died on Saturday,
so why such a big hole. The neighbor said, you
don't need such a big hole for a bird. When
you do when it's inside your rot wheeler. Get where
you're coming from, and John says, Ah, these flat pack
homes from Ikea, well they may well be John. We
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You have won a care Alert prize pack including a
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our Best of SA dinner. It's on tomorrow night. I
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very special night celebrating what's best of South Australia. Use
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your home care package through my age Care or ndis
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dot Au. Just about time to go, Just a couple
more texts on our metro beaches during daylight saving you
see dogs every day running off leash during on leash timeframes.
Many are large dogs and if you confront the owners
you're abused. They just don't care. Councils need to police
(02:01:31):
their own bylaws better. Yeah, that is scary. I've noticed
that at the beach at certain times when young children
are playing and the dog, probably very friendly dog, lovable dog,
bounds up to them, and the parents get and the
kids get pretty scared. So it's totally understandable keep your
dogs on a leash. That's it for today, Thank you
so much for a company. Back tomorrow to do it again.
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