Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 21 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And good morning to you. Welcome to this Thursday. Hope
we find you well this twenty first day of August. Well,
Tuesday Night's chaotic Adelaide City Council meeting was more than
just an unsightly sideshow. It was a combination of years
of mounting tension over council increasingly out of touch with
the people it claims to serve. Well, what was the
flashpoint this time? It was the twenty nine million dollar

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plan to revitalize Hot Street by slashing car parks, widening
footpaths and installing protected bike lanes. Now, on paper, it's
part of the council's broad a vision to green the
CBD and promote active transport. In practice, it's a lightning
rod for anger, especially among traders who see their livelihoods
being put second to council ideology. At the height of

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the conflict is a single, undeniable truth. The City Council
has shifted hard in recent years towards favoring bicycles over cars,
but it's doing so at the expensive businesses, accessibility, and
at times, even common sense. Cycling infrastructure has a role
in a modern city. It can't come at the cost
of making entire precincts harder to access for the majority

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of visitors are many of whom drive in from the
suburbs or regional areas, particularly the shop, dine, or attend
appointments public transport. Let's face it, in this city, well,
lack of public transport is a real problem. Hut Street
has long been a vibrant mix of small businesses, cafes,
and medical specialists, the kind of local economy that can
be easily undermined by reduced foot traffic and logistical constraints.

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The consultation process was meant to bring clarity. Instead it
has raised eyebrows. We're told fifty six percent of respondents
supported the plan, yet that slim majority must be weighed
against six hundred and twenty signatures on a petition opposing
the same vision. And that's not to mention the visible
outrage in the chamber this week. When elected councilors like
Henry Davis and Mary Curus voice concerns over the process

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in its real world consequences, they deserve to be taken seriously,
not drowned up by a predetermined agenda. Council chambers are
no place for heckling or disruptive behavior, but nor should
they be an echo chamber where dissent is ignored. Traders
of every right to be alarmed. Fewer car parks mean
fewer customers. Promises that business will thrive under a greener,

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bike friendly model might sound good in theory, but the
reality is often very, very different us the retailers have
already felt the sting from previous city bike lane rollouts.
Councilor care and Snapes comment that this will turn it
into a destination and capsulates the detachment that frustrates so many.
Hartstreet already is a destination. What it needs is support,

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not transformation that disregards the realities of retail, trade and
urban movement. The Lord Mayor was right to describe the
meeting as mayhem, but the deeper problem isn't just decorum.
It's a growing disconnect between council policy and the lived
experiences of city businesses. Maybe it's time for the Council
to take a breath. More bike lanes may serve a
future vision, but today traders are the ones keeping Hut

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Street alive. If they're telling you they're scared, maybe it's
time to listen and not lecture, and we'll find out
more about the Hut Street revitalization talks. A little bit
later on this morning, we'll speak with counselor Henry Davis,
who was there, and a couple of retailers who will
be impacted by the Hut Street redevelopment. Do you shop
on Hut Street? Are you a Hut Street trader? Give

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us a call, like to know your thoughts. Eight double
two to three double double oh is the number to
ring now. Also on the show today, we have a
whole range of aspects that we want to talk about.
There's more embarrassment for the Prime Minister. I'll tell you
about that shortly. There's call for desirable spare bedrooms to
be taxed to help fix housing. Over sixty percent of

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households have one or two people, yet seventy five percent
of homes have three or more bedrooms, highlighting a mismatch.
More than twenty five percent of households have one person,
yet only six percent of homes are one bedroom units,
and that limits affordable options. And that's according to Cotality
Research Catalities. Eliza Owen noted that while housing once suited

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larger families, shrinking household sizes leave many with unused bedrooms.
Owen suggest taxing spare bedrooms via land tax, or incentivizing
downsizing by abolishing stamp duty to address inefficiencies in housing allocation. Now,
we all know only too well that we have a
real housing crisis in this country. But is this a

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way to help sort out the problem. Let's know what
you think. Eight double two three double o double.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
We have our legal segment this morning, of course, has
been a Thursday friends from Johnson Withers in the studio.
Caitlin Walkington will be doing it solo this morning. She
will be here to answer your legal questions. Eight double
two three double o double the numbered to ring and
a new voluntary scheme is proposing supermarkets and manufacturers work
together to collect and recycle soft plastics. What is that about.

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We'll find out more about that, and of course the
NDIS reforms plan big on rhetoric, will they actually work.
We'll speak with the Shadow Minister for Disability and the NDIS,
Senator Anne Rustin, and here from the Health Minister Mark
Butler about the plans for the NDIS. All that and
much more on the show today. Now regarding the Prime Minister,

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our illustrious Prime Minister and his lack of a meeting
with the president. It turns out that the Aussie mining
giants have actually leapfrog the Prime Minister in securing a
one on one meeting with the US President. Albertezi remains
one of the few world leaders yet to meet with
the US president. Defense analysts say the Australia US alliance

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is under pressure, with strategic expert Peter Jennings warning the
relationship is in its worst shape in years, and tensions
have been further stoked by the labor leader's recent moves
to recognize Palestinian statehood, which has reportedly caused unease in Washington.
But the Prime Minister has dismissed suggestions that Trump administration
is giving him the cold shorder, Pointing to his engagements

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with senior U US lawmakers, he says, I was the
first person to meet with the incoming speaker when he
was appointed. In the US Congress, I've met with over
one hundred people, either Congress representatives or senators. I met
with and hosted about eight Republican Democrat congress people and
senators just last week at Kiribili. I traveled to Sydney
in order to host them and to engage with them.

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Yes Prime Minister, but what about a meeting with the president. Now,
Donald Trump has met in person with leaders from at
least fifteen different countries so far this year Israel, Japan, India, Poland, Norway,
South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Netherlands, United Kingdom,
European Union, Russia, Ukraine, France, but not Australia. So Prime Minister, Yes,

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you might have met with all these other people, and
that's fine and dandy, and you might have even come
to Adelaide and visited Kangaro Island, but you are yet
to meet with our largest ally, the President of the
United States, Donald Trump. When will it happen? Eight? Double
two three double o double Oh ray, good morning. You
want to talk about the bedroom tax or a possible
bedroom tax?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, I do. I think it's totally unfair and unnecessary.
If we didn't get so many immigrants into this country,
we wouldn't be in the position that we're in today.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, we are in the position. Don't you think they
should at least consider a bedroom tax.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
No, I don't think they should consider a bedroom tax.
Are you going to look at the government's house and say, well,
you've got x amount of empty bedrooms? What say we
tax you? So Ray of the lot of the politicians.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
You Yeah, what is your situation, Ray, do you live
in a house with more bedrooms?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Very hard for my house, My husband and I we
worked extremely hard. We were without money a lot of
the time. We had to bring up three children and
it was very, very difficult at times.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, so you've done it tough. Yeah, No, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
And when people talk about taxing bedrooms, no, I totally disagree.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Good on your a. Thanks for putting your point of view.
Jane says, taxing unused bedrooms, how ridiculous. Government sought the
housing issues out. That's your job, not expecting homeowners to
rent rooms or to be taxed. How ridiculous To just
shake your head, hi gig on the proposal of taxing
spare bedrooms. Just when you think that you've heard it all,
then we hear taxing spare bedrooms. The lunacy in this

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country just keeps giving absolutely hilarious and will not get traction.
I would house my farm animals in the spare room
rather than a migrant. Well, okay, it's not the government's business.
How many bedrooms and our houses have. It seems like
another day another government overreach, and I can tell you
the public is getting totally sick of it. Well, I
can honestly say that now this hasn't come out of

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the Economiclomic summit or forum. This is a thought bubble
by somebody in the housing industry coatality Eliza Owen has suggested.
But of course these sort of suggestions when they put
out there. Government always looking at ways of getting another tax,
they might consider it. So we need to speak now

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loud and long.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Brett, good morning, good morning, Grain, thanks for taking my
call with the government house in that I've got four
houses are empty my street, months next door, one down
the road's been empty for three years, boarded up. And
as far as empty rooms, I've had borders before and
only one was good. The rest was trouble. I hadn't

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troubled getting the money out of them, had trouble with
everything else, violence and all that. So this government course
and people who use the room that they might get
trouble tendants, and no one should have to deal with that.
What put on the people. It's got empty room, so
I don't get it, you know, to fix up the
houses they've got empty.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now now, Brett, tell us about the houses in your
street that are remaining empty. You say, therefore are they?
Are they privately owned as a public?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
What's government? Government housing?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
One lady, Sorry, you just dropped out there, one lady,
what were you going to say?

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Year?

Speaker 4 (10:09):
My next door neighbor, she passed away in January and
the house has been empty ever since in nest government housing,
and so all the rest.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
So no work, no work is being done on them.
They're just sitting there.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
They're just in there. One house just around the corner
that's been empty for three and a half years, bordered up.
It's government housing.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
What's on you?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
People shipping it over there?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah? What's other?

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Brett?

Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'm no longer down.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
No longer down. Okay. We might make some inquiries because
we're crying out for housing. We just don't have enough
of it. And there are houses that might need some
work or might not need some work, that are just
sitting there. And that's we've heard stories that that is
happening all over Adelaide eight double two three, double O,
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Speaker 6 (10:53):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Twenty one past nine five Double A jan you'd like
to talk on the concept of a bedroom tax, Yester
Morning grants.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, I've heard it all nowday and I think they're
dictating as to who lives with us, and I think
it's preposterous that they can be thinking about a bedroom tax.
And I feel the simple solution is one that they've

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created in the first place, is don't let the thousands
of immigrants in that they have, and we wouldn't be
having this problem, this housing shortage and bedroom shortage they speak.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
So, Yeah, well, I believe that Jan, that Canada has
had a similar problem to us, that not enough housing
because they had such high level of migration to Canada
and they put on almost a full stop to migration
and at ease the heart crisis almost immediately.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Yes, yes, I could. I can completely understand that. And
I feel look after our insert I'm all for immigration
or for multiculturalism that have a look at what's happening,
and that's our believed solution.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, look after the people that are here. Jan, thank
you so much for your comments. We are trying to
get in touch with the cotalities. Eliza Owen, who has
proposed this idea calling for desirable spare rooms to be
taxed to help fix the housing crisis. The housing crisis
that gets worse by the day. Fifteen hundred and fifty

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four people jetting into Australia on a daily basis, fifteen
hundred and fifty four people every day. We already have
a massive undersupply of housing. The government is working towards that,
but they're way behind in their target. What was at
one point two million homes in the next five years
they want to build. I believe they're two hundred thousand
behind the target already and you would suggest that that

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would only get worse. From the text line, here is
something totally insane that needs to be raised and talked about.
Sarah Game raised this on her Instagram. Another law that
Malley has slipped in and again the Liberals haven't opposed.
It just shows they are working in tandem with each other.
Thank you for whoever sent that, but it is I
can't read out what you've sent to me just because

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it's too small, but we certainly will have a look
at it. Eight double two three double o double oh.
Just moving on to another subject for the time. The
state government has ask energy retailer AGL to extend the
life of its aging Torren's Island gas Generator by two years.
It comes after warnings by the energy market operator that

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its scheduled closure would pose energy risks for the state.
The proposed extension to the plant is the result of
delays to the completion of the project Energy connect the
new four billion dollar electricity cable linking New South Wales
and South Australia. The interconnector is required to bring on
the new renewable power needed to replace the retiring gas
facility southa Stone and Energy workers at Torrens Island b

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gas fired power station, operated by AGL are frustrated by
the ongoing uncertainty about the plant's future. Joining us now
is CEPUSA Secretary John Adley. John, thanks for joining us.
What are the workers' major concerns.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Well, there's about one hundred and fifty workers on Torrens
Island working at the POWERstation for ago and I just
want really some certainty about their future. They understand that
the power station is going to close down, but they
really need to know when so that they can make
plans for their for the next stage of their careers.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I mean, the long term plan was to close in
June of twenty twenty six, So I guess they're working
towards that, and all of a sudden to hear it's
sort of open ended, it must be a little bit disconcerting.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
Yeah, that's right. I mean people are trying to work
out whether they're going to retire or whether they need
to retrain or look for other job. So really they
need they need some certainty as soon as possible, and
that means that we need AGL to work with the
state government but also the Zero Energy Authority to firm

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up their plans and let workers know what their future
is going to be.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
So what the AGL said to.

Speaker 8 (15:21):
You nothing is Yeah, there's been some communication with the
workforce to say that AGL negotiating with the state government
about remaining open and past the planned closure day. But
that's all we know.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I believe there's a non binding agreement between AGL and
the state government. What are your concerns about its lack
of commitment.

Speaker 8 (15:48):
Just the uncertainty it creates. Really we don't know any
of the detail. We know that that AGL are continuing
to negotiate with the government. Obviously, agl's job is to
create profit for its shareholders, so they need that they
are looking for a deal that does that. But what
we need as South Australians is some surity about our

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power supply and what the workers need is some purity
about their future and they need some certainty about when
they're employmentable seeks with AGL Do you.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Think the state government should be playing a greater role here, Well.

Speaker 8 (16:24):
It's critical that the state government are playing a role
and they are. We don't know the details of those negotiations,
but we know the state government is definitely involved.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
What are the key skills of Tyrone's Island workers.

Speaker 8 (16:38):
Well, there's a range of skills and occupations on Torrens Islands.
Our union represents electrical workers that work on Torrens Island
to run the turbines and operate the equipment that switches
the electricity. You've also got a range of mechanical trades operators,
so there's a range of skills. They are quite highly

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skilled workers. Power station is a very complex machine, so yeah,
there's a there's a range.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Are there any alternative employment opportunities with energy sector here
in southas data that there are Torn's Island workers.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah, undoubtedly there is. There's quite a lot of work
in the power industry at the moment, but it will
require some retraining because the skills that are required to
operate a power station are different from the skills that
are required for installing a wind turbine or a solar farm,
for example.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
So how is the morale of workers at the moment.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Look, it's there's a there's a bit of a sense
of unease uncertainty people really, you know, they're unsure of
their next step because they don't have an end day.
I mean, this is the critical thing really that we
need to get settled is exactly how long is Torres

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going to continue to operate Torrens Island B.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Station, which you did have an end date, but now
you don't.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
That's exactly right, exactly right. The goalposts have shifted somewhat
and people are just looking for their certainty.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
John Adley, thanks for your time, cpu SA secretary. There.
The state government has asked energy retailer AGL to extend
the life of its aging Torren's Island gas generator in
by two years. And you can understand the workers have
been looking into the future knowing that the Torrens Island
gas generator is going to shut down in June of
twenty twenty six, So they're working towards that, working towards

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that all of a sudden, Oops, No, we need to
keep it open a bit longer. So while I guess
in the main may be happy to fact that they've
got extended work, they don't know until when. So it
would be seen only reasonable that AGL be able to say, now,
this is the new date from the text line James
has whoever suggested that thought bubble about taxing spare bedrooms?

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How many rooms have they rented up in their own home.
It's been mentioned before, and it just seems that they
do it to make people react. Thought bubbles like these
need to be pricked and never floated again. Yeah, Jane,
it is dead right, and this has not come from
the government. But I underline that it has not come
from the government at all. But the government is always
looking at ways of taxation and if something like this

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raises its head and they think it might be a
good idea, they may well latch onto it. So we
need to be loud and long and say what we
think about it. Good morning, Graham. We all need to
wake up and realize that this is a far left
socialist government. They will always find ways to tax us
to fund their spending, as the late Margaret Thatcher rightly said,
the problem with socialism is that they eventually run out

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of other people's money. Thank you for that, Clarry. In
this hour, we have a double pass to give away
to the Royal Adelaide Show for the best caller. Give
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Speaker 6 (19:49):
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Speaker 1 (19:55):
Twenty seven to ten five Double A. Doy't forget we
have a double pass to Adelaide Show to give away
in this r or the best caller, so get on
the line, give us a call. Well. Chaos erupted on
Tuesday night at the Adelaide City Council workshop over a
twenty nine million dollar plan to revitalize Hot Street. The proposal,
favored by fifty six percent of public submissions, would cut

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car parks from one hundred and thirty two to seventy two.
It would widen footpaths and add a protected bike lane.
Well tensions flared, apparently as traders in the gallery heckled councilors,
prompting security to eject two members and forcing the meeting
to be adjourned. Councilor Henry Davis was there he joins
me in the studio this morning, Henry, good morning to.

Speaker 9 (20:34):
You, good morning, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
So is it as raucus as it sounds? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Absolutely. The councilors started by refusing to let the traders
talk about their own future and about their own consultation,
and it was just downhill from them. That was the
first thing they did was to shut down and gag
the traders. That was a bad move because they got
very angry after that.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, I forward, a workshop is you know where you
exchange ideas.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, you think so, wouldn't it, But no, this was
a in my view, everyone made a decision. They asked
us to go around the chamber and tell everybody where
they where. All the counselors stood. The councilor seems pretty
hell bent on destroying the car parks in Hut Street
and they're going to remove ninety car parks there and
the traders are extremely angry about that. And then counselors
decided to start lecturing them on how they could best

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run their businesses. And I can tell you that's when
it got extremely chaotic. When people have never run a
business before starts lecturing long term business owners with their
families on the line, with their investments on their line,
their entirely livelihoods on the line, and a counselor who's
never stepped foot inside their own business starts lecturing you
that was really bad form by the council.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
The proposal was favored by fifty six percent of public submissions.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Then, yeah, and were they real people? Any fourteen year
old kid with an iPhone could have hacked that submission,
so there was no control, so they don't ask you
who they are, and everybody could identify and they did
this as being a local business owner. So I've spoken
to every single business owner on that street I could
get a hold of. Every single one of them was

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against the removal of the car parks, from the dry
cleaners to co philosophy all along the street, and they
were all dead against it, apart from one trader. Now
all of a sudden, there's another seventy traders come out
who identified as owning a business on Hut Street, and
now they're all in favor of Option D. So the
reality is is the Council has in my view, pushed

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an agenda. That's the administration have pushed an outcome. Because
I have on my desk a petition of six hundred
and twenty signatures, all voting for Option A and B,
which is to keep the car parks, and the council
has created a consultation which shows almost the exact opposite.

Speaker 9 (22:44):
So there is a big.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Problem with community consultations which can be hijacked going completely
against community sentiment.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you oppose bike lanes entirely in this precinct?

Speaker 9 (22:55):
There's already two there.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So the current proposal, the one that's favored by the
traders and a lot of the local residents, supports the
current existing bike lanes that are there. There's one on
each side. What they want to do is have a
completely separated bike lane, remove all the car parks so
that the bike lanes have a separated just like Frome
Straight which was such an amazing success. So they've got

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a separated bikelane about one hundred meters away. They've also
got another one on the other side in the parklands,
and now they want to push one through Hut Street,
which just makes no sense to me because if you're
on your bike, where are you going through Hot Street?
You're riding your bike to the Alice in Wonderland statue
in Ramle Park. That's where you're going. Frome Street was
designed to be a bike highway, but apparently people are

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very angry with using Frome Street.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I don't know why. Now. At the council workshop on
Tuesday night was one Bernard Booth burning. I believe that
you were pretty solidly involved in the interaction.

Speaker 10 (23:55):
By my standard, Graham, No, I was fairly passive. Nevertheless,
very disappointed with the conduct of the meeting.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
However, what are your major grievances.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
On my grievances the fact that Hut Street is a
beautiful city boulevard and it's in the city, a city
which is a village, a village which is a city,
and Hut Street now remains almost countrified in the sense
that you feel as though you're in your little local

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country township. It has an aura, a villagey aura about it,
and it services a lot of people, not just in
the city, certainly the southeastern colra, but people in the
nearby suburbs. And we take away the car parks, there's
medical services that the range of services is extreme. I

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should add, Graham that I don't own any property or
a business in Hot Street, but I've worked around the
city for fifty five years in real estate, and I
can recall when the plane trees were planted, when we
created the boulevard effect, the avenue effect, and it just
to talk about wanting to green Hot Street, what Hot

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Boulevard as it should be called, want to green? It
is just ridiculous when the magnificent plane trees the central
area of the roadway, providing some greenery at the foot
of the plane trees, it's just nonsensical.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Bernie, thank you very much for that. Bernie Booth, who
was a star performer at the council workshop the other night.
Councilor Henry Davis is in the studio with us to
talk about it. Does Hot Street need any upgrading at all?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I mean, you know, yeah, the footpaths are well overdue
for an upgrade, so Hot Street. We had these things
called asset management plans, and it dictates the life of
how long these assets, like an asset like Hut Street.
We look at the whole street holistically with these plans,
and it's due for this renovation in the next five years.
So this administration, this council want to bring forward that upgrade.

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And it needs new foot party, it needs better lighting.
It needs better street furniture, it needs formalization in the
car parks. It's looking quite run down, and I think
we can turn it into a much nicer looking street.
That's what we need. We don't need the entire feel,
that village feel that Bernard was talking about being destroyed.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Richard Libre liberal Eto is a retailer Ideal Shoe Repairs
on Hut Street. He joins us. Now, Richard, good morning
to you.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Good morning Graham.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
How are you look?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm well, thanks. What do you make of this twenty
nine million dollar plan to revitalize Hart Street?

Speaker 5 (26:49):
You know, it's a will overdoke. I mean, we've operated
businesses in our family since nineteen eighty that's when we
first took over this one. We were in Westfield for
probably thirty five of those years as well, and in
Westfield would always have a face six every five to
seven years. Dad always said when he took over the
shop here in Hart Street was almost dollarmite foot passes.

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And you know it's a bit daggy looking, but it's
now starting to get along in the tooth, and you know,
like we've been told, the actual road itself needs to
be resurfaced. Replaced. You know, the assets are diminishing. But
my biggest scripe apart from losing car parks. You know,
they're going to have to make them wider because cars
are bigger. It's all understandable. We'll lose a few car
parks on the corners where it's a bit dangerous turning,

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you know. But I think the idea of pushing to
parallel parking and removing angle parking. I could probably tell
you probably two or three members in my family that
can't reverse parks still to this day. So we're going
to eliminate quite a bit of clientele and the fact
that they're going to have to not reverse part parallel

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like Norwood Parade or Coble Street two lads traffic. They're
going to reduce to one lane of traffic, so if
you're struggling to reverse your car, you're going to be
blocking the entire traffic behind you.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Do you think the council is.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
At peak times we're going to going to have thirty
five car parks on one side of the road.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Do you think councilors lost touch with reality?

Speaker 5 (28:14):
I don't know. I mean, you know, it's a bit
sad when you've got You've got big people representing the
public and they're making the decisions for one hundred and
ten business This is probably a couple of thousand workers.
I'm not saying that everyone's going to shut down, but
it will downsize business, especially through construction. But that's expected,

(28:35):
you know. But the outcome went unsure. I mean, we
left that meeting last night and I know three traders
already that they're contemplating selling. Now.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Oh, thank you for that input, Richard. We have councilor
Henry Davis in the studio. Henry, are you concerned that
the council is losing touch with the retailers the city?
Absolutely they are.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
They don't seem to understand that they the greatest rate payer,
the biggest rate payer box seventy five percent of them
are business owners, and the dominant council faction at the
moment I've never owned a business in their life. So
there is this big disconnect, and there is this real
view that anyone with a business owner is just driving
around in Ferraris and has gold plated everything and their
toilet is made of gold, you know, and these businesses

(29:19):
are screwing everybody down. And you've got ex union bosses
and things like that, who are on the council who
have this strong view that these business owners should be
punished and that they're going to save the day by
attacking them. So there's this real disconnect. And I'm a
small business owner and a couple of other councilors are
and we immediately empathize with their issue. And someone like

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a shoe repairer doesn't need outdoor dining. He needs a
car park so that people can come and drop off
their shoes. You've got picture framers, you've got dry cleaners,
you've got a chemist. The chemists, in particular, most of
their business comes from outside the city. Now they don't
need a bike path because people are driving home, picking
up their scripts and then going off home. And the

(30:03):
chicken shop is the same. So the business owners are
the ones that we're doing this for. The whole reason
why we would upgrade Hot Street in the first place
is to give those businesses the best chance of survival
so they can grow their business, so they can be
more prosperous for the residents. And yet this is being
dictated by an interest group who don't pay rates, who

(30:25):
don't live in the city, who don't run businesses. And
that's what these consultations do, is they distort people's view
from who we really should be listening to to those
people who we really shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Why do you think there's such a disconnect between the
council and consumers, retailers, motorists and the like.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think it comes down to experience, and it comes
down to if you've never been a retailer, you've never
seen their balance sheet. Arm attacks lawyer. So I look
at every single day, I'll be looking at five or
six different financial reports from businesses, and I can see
their expenses, I can see what's coming and going, and
I understand their businesses in timately. So I have a
very close connection with how business works and what it requires.

(31:03):
Retail businesses or cafes are extremely difficult businesses to run,
and I think there's just no appreciation by the council
and they think that they know how to run someone's
business better than they do, And to me, that is
the height of disrespect.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
So the City Council shut down Discussion House workshop this
twenty nine million dollar plan to revitalize Hart Street. Where
to from here?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
The council has basically a lot of the councilors that
have already pledged how they're going to vote on this.
I've got a petition of well over six hundred signatures
who are looking to keep the car parks. That should
throw a bit of a spanner in the works. Hopefully
the councilors will pay attention to the hundreds of voices
who are opposed to this plan. From here, the administration

(31:55):
will come back, I think, with a recommendation that will
then recommend to the councilor is whatever they already want
to hear, and then the council will probably push forward
and continue to ignore the hot street traders. I'm looking
at potentially organizing a bit of a rally on Hart Street,
a march down Hart Street to show the council and
demand that they listen to the business owners, listen to

(32:16):
the local ratepayers. But there really needs to this community
consultation thing that needs to be fundamentally rejigged at a
state level, because it cannot be the case that a
community consultation like this can hijack a thirty million dollar
project and just make people's lives hell.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, if you're going to hold a rally, make sure
you let us know won't.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
You come and do an outpost and interview people as
we walk past them. I think that's probably the next step.
The council needs to listen to these traders. I'll continue
to fight for them. They'll continue to fight and we're
not going to let this go.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Councilor Henry Davis, thanks for dropping by today. Thank you.
What are your thoughts? Folks? A double two to three double
double love to hear them five double.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
At ten to ten five double A. I think it's
time to take some calls. Gary, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 11 (33:09):
How are you. Yeah, it's scary here from HUTSTRAAD got
a business on Hut Street and been heavily involved in
the Hut Street precinct for many, many years, probably over
twenty years now, and it's just want of feeling a
bit more information about the history of some of the
of this upgrade. It actually started in twenty and thirteen
was when the council actually engaged with the traders to

(33:32):
finally start looking at what the traders wanted, which was
an upgrade of the street.

Speaker 10 (33:39):
And during that.

Speaker 11 (33:40):
Time there's been many many surveys and most of those
surveys have showed that people want an upgrade, and most
of those traders were part of the push to make
that happen. And one many sort of says of this
later survey, the fifty six percent is actually a little
bit than the previous surveys. This is about the six surveys.

(34:04):
So we keep doing these surveys. We're getting some of
their businesses here on Hut Street to getting frustrated how
long it's taking. But every time we do a survey,
every time we put something forward, everyone agrees with it
and a couple of people don't, and then it goes
back to the drawing board. But you know, it's taken
thirty years to get the entry statement, it's taken twenty

(34:24):
years now to get an upgrade on the street. So
it would be amazing street. We're going to lose some
car paths, but.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Some well one hundred and thirty two to seventy two,
it's almaistic.

Speaker 11 (34:34):
Well, we're going to lose twenty or so when with
the upgrade in a few years.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Anyway, so you'd be happy with it. You'd be happy
with the changes as proposed.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
And I don't like.

Speaker 11 (34:43):
Losing the car parks. Myself of got two car parking
fines recently. But the other option is that we get
wider footpaths to get the bikes and the scooters off
the footpath. They can now travel at twenty five kilometers
an hour. There's other areas on the street that once
I'm outdoor dining and they don't the trees are growing,
They'll be planted around the trees. There'd be more plantation

(35:07):
around the trees. We started a market on the street
and that the idea is to continue this market. We
can have a market every weekend, but probably once a month,
street parties, lots of activation. You know, this is something
that everybody has voted for. It's had a chance to
have a look at and have a say for twenty year.

(35:29):
And they came up with that idea after what all
the congresculpations with all the traders, visitors and the residents,
and that was the result. And then some new cancel
came in, didn't know a lot of the history about
it and got upset about the option D. But that's
what everybody voted for.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well not everybody.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Well it's it's eighty.

Speaker 11 (35:58):
Or the surveys before chose that option eighty one.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I haven't seen that thing you mentioned before.

Speaker 11 (36:04):
Yeah, well it's yeah, well it's all in the it's
still in the history going back. It's going back to
two thousand and thirteen.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
So what you're suggesting is, are the retailers that are
complaining at the moment have missed their opportunity and should
have done it before.

Speaker 11 (36:18):
Well they've well they've been involved in the process.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well why are they complaining now.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
Well, all we're complaining about, I think is the car parks.
I don't know if we're complaining about the actual factor
of upgrade. I mean there's no lighting. You know, we
sat around the round table. The lord met for four
years with the residence, with the Hut Street Center, the
South Astralian Police, the government, property developers, property owners. For

(36:46):
four years we sat around discussing all of these things,
and you know then he went to public consultation. That
has gone back there again and again and again. I
mean how many times you've had to go back for
everyone to agree.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Cole On Gary, thanks for your story on your feelings
regarding the proposed upgrade of Hot Street. We want to
hear from more traders. It's a delight. It really should
be called a boulevard. It is just a delightful part
of Adelaide does need an upgrade, there's no question about that.
But it would appear that there are a number of
retail traders there who are not happy with the changes.

(37:21):
Let's know what you think. Eight double two three double double?
Oh Tim? How are you doing, Brian?

Speaker 12 (37:26):
How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (37:26):
On? Well?

Speaker 12 (37:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Please to hear it?

Speaker 13 (37:29):
Accept?

Speaker 12 (37:32):
Are you aware of what the government past? The Melanascus
Labor Government has passed an emergency Management the Miscellaneous Amendment Bill.
Under the Involted General Powers Section twenty five of the Act,
the State Coordinator and authorized officers are given the power
to issue directions in any form without limitation. These directions

(37:56):
may contravene other laws of the state, individuals' personal rights,
and may use force to ensure compliance. Here we go.
These directions can include breaking into any land or building
or secure a vehicle, taking possession or assuming control over

(38:17):
any land, body of water, removing or destroying buildings, structures, vehicles, vegetation,
and even animals, ordering real estate owners to forfeit control
of their properties, removing people or animals, directing people to
submit to decontamination procedures, and directing people to isolate.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Wow, it sounds pretty Rocaian.

Speaker 12 (38:43):
Well, you're very polite. I would say that whoever put
that bill forward, and everybody except Sarah Gain voted for it,
she voted against it, every one of those people must
alolutely hate all forms of freedom and must have an

(39:05):
absolute communist spine in them, because the very essence of
freedom in this country is land ownership. And in a
nineteen twenty three High Court case that Justice Isaac Isaac
ruled on with New South Wales versus the Commonwealth, it's
said that all land held in fee simple is void

(39:27):
from any state tenure or tax. And that's why they
took in the new land titles where you get the
new digital titles in fee simple is missing. It just
says property type fee simple. Once the word in this appears,
you only have tenure of the land, not ownership. Melanascus

(39:50):
government is going to tear this state to pieces. And
if people think they're going to be safe holding their
own property, these communists have a different lie idea.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Now, Tim Taller, this is the Emergency Management Miscellaneous Amendment Bill.
Is that right?

Speaker 12 (40:06):
That's correct? Passed the other night.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
The other night. Yeah, well it's gone without notice. I
must say as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 12 (40:12):
Oh so who want to own that and put it
out in public?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, well, where have you got your information from?

Speaker 12 (40:22):
Sarah?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Gain got it from Sarah? Is that what was said?
Sent through to me? Did you send this through to me?
Because we've got I've got a million texts and one
of them said something mentioned Sarah game and there were
a couple of visuals that the print was so small
that I couldn't see it and certainly couldn't read it
on the run. But we'll go back and have a look.
If that's what it was about.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
That's what it was, and it is horrid. I mean,
this is communism and tyrannical behavior at its full display
by Peter Malamascus. And I've put a long s on that.
But this do we, the South Australia and the Australian people,
do we not deserve better for God's sake?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, well you've asked the question, Tim, we will pursue that. Madam.
I at this moment you've put a lot to us,
and I think we need to have a look at
this Emergency Management Miscellaneous Amendment Bill because I used the
term DRACONI and you said that was probably being kind,
but without further comment, I'd certainly like to see more
about that. Eight double two to three double O double

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Speaker 6 (42:02):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well, we've been hearing all morning about major changes to
the rapidly expanding NDIIS program. Children with mild to moderate
autism or developmental delay will be diverted into a new
program dubbed Thriving Kids. Health and Disability Minister Mark Butler
says the new model would roll out from July the
first next year, with a one year transition period where

(42:26):
parents could choose between either thriving kids or the DS
before access and eligibility changes. On July the first, twenty
twenty seven, speaking to five double a breakfast this morning,
this is what the Health Minister had to say.

Speaker 14 (42:40):
Well, and this is all about securing the future of
a terrific scheme that's transformed the lives of hundreds of
thousands of people with disability. We've got to introduce more discipline,
more integrity into this scheme. I think many of your
listeners would be appalled at the drumbeat of stories of
fordsters and ripoff merchants making money out of this scheme
because we don't have the sort of systems in place

(43:01):
that you see in healthy in age care, in veterans care,
systems that make sure that providers in the area are
up to scratch so they're properly qualified. There's good pricing
discipline in the system. So partly it's not rocket science.
It's doing what we do in other social programs to
get more efficiency, more integrity into the scheme. But I've

(43:23):
also said that the big growth in the scheme in
terms of numbers, which is kids with mild to moderate
levels of developmental and delay or autism should be being
supported by other systems, not a system that was set
up for permanent significant disability.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And that's Health Minister Mark Butler joining us now a
Senator Anne rustin lea shadow listic or disability and the NDS. Senator,
Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Good morning Graham.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
How do you react to the changes to the NDI
is well, much.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Of what the ministers had to say yesterday and obviously
this morning on your program obviously are things that we've
been concerned about for a very long time as well.
We want to make sure that we've got an NDOS
that fits for purpose for future generations, and we also
want to make sure that young children with mild to
moderate autism and developmental challenges get the right support in

(44:16):
the right place at the right time. The thing that
I've been critical about with the Minister has been he
made comments yesterday without a lot of detail, and there
are a lot of families this morning who would be
left wondering what actually the future holds for them. So
I'd be very keen for the minister to explain who
he's consulted with. I mean, where are the states and
territories in this equation, because there are going to have

(44:38):
to deliver the supports he's talking about, They're going to
have to fund some of them. So I think there's
a lot of detail that's missing here, And often how
good a system is is how well it's implemented, not
just the headline of saying that he's got to appear
to be some very good ideas, but how is he
actually going to get them implemented when he hasn't even
spoken to the people impact and he hasn't spoken to

(44:58):
the states and territories have got to be a significant
funder of them.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You've called for real and practical action from the government.
What specific endis reforms would you propose?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Well, we'd like to see more detail of what the
minister has been speaking about, because of course we want
to make sure that every Australian who needs some supports
has supports. But we also don't want to see as
we've seen with the foundational supports that they talked about
last year in their reform packages, which we don't know
what's happening to them now. We don't want to see

(45:31):
headlines that are then followed up with very little in
terms of delivery or transition. So my questioning is how
is the Minister and the government going to deliver what
he was talking about yesterday if he's not talking to
the states and territories. He's failed to negotiate the foundational
supports and the National Health Reform Agreement, which is basically
the Hospital Funding Agreement. All some territories, for most of

(45:53):
the states and territories are of the same persuasion. So
we've got a labor government negotiating with labor governments and
failing to do so. I just want to know how
this is going to happen and how we can work
with the government to help make sure these reforms are
in the best interests of Australians living with disability. But
I can't help him if he doesn't talk to us.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
There's no question a that those living with disability deserve certainty,
So how could coalition deliver that?

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Well, what I would be doing is questioning the Minister
and the Government every step of the way about what
this actually means, how they're going to do it, who's
going to do it, who is speaking to I mean,
my biggest piece of recommendation I could give to Mark
Butler and the Government right now is start consulting. We
did it with age Care. I work closely with Mark
on Age Care to get a package of reforms, and

(46:43):
subsequent to those reforms being put through, much the same
as the NDOS reforms were put through last year, we've
seem very little in terms of any sort of substance
around delivery. So I'm happy to work with the government
because we absolutely want to see Australians getting the support
they need. But we can't work with the government if
they're not going to engage with us.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
How did the NDIS get to this, I mean, fifty
six billion dollars growing, it will reach one hundred billion
dollars before we know it. How did this come about?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Well, I think they're probably a number of reasons why
we find ourselves where we are today. I mean, the
NDIS has sort of become a bit of a catchual
for everybody who needs supports that was not what it
was originally designed for. And I think that there is
certainly an argument to say that, particularly children with mild
to moderate developmental challenges, may well be better served by

(47:34):
a different system to support them. So I think we
need to return the NDAs to what it was originally
intended to be. But in doing that we have to
make sure that all those other supports and the supports
we're talking about today are in place. You can't announce
that you're going to make a change without those at
least a pathway of understanding how you're going to deliver

(47:55):
what you're going to replace it with, whether it be
the Thriving Kids program that the Minister talked about yesterday,
or whether it be the foundational supports that were part
of the reforms last year. People need to have confidence
and certainty that something is known to replace it replace
what they currently have, because otherwise they look like they're
just walking into nothing. And that's a very terrifying prospect

(48:15):
for somebody who lives with a disability or developmental challenges.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Do you foresee these changes to the NDIS impacting people
in rural and regional areas even more?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
We know that the further you get away from metropolitan
areas and more we struggle with workforce, and when it
comes to the NDIS, the workforce is at absolutely our
biggest challenge, and we see the same thing in age
care and healthcare. I was last week up in the
Brossa Valley talking to NDIS providers up there who were
very concerned about the Government dropping pricing changes on them

(48:49):
earlier in June with two weeks notice to try and
make a whole heap of changes, to implement the pricing changes,
to let their clients know of those changes. So my
question always to the government are you can make a
headline announcement that you absolutely need to understand the impact
it's going to have on the ground and how are
you going to get there? And I think those pricing changes,

(49:10):
particularly around travel, were a classic example of the government
not consulting and then rural and regional Australia being the
area that was most impacted.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Senator thanks for your.

Speaker 15 (49:19):
Time today, my pleasure.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Senator Ann Rustin, Shadow Minister for Disability and the NDIS
on the Coalition's view on the changes foreshadowed by the
Health and Disability Minister Mark Butler Carling gg I reckon
if we were to sell our gas it would actually
fix the end the IS Fund. Thank you for that. Josh,
don't get me started on that the money that we

(49:42):
do not get from gas, conservatively estimated at twelve billion
dollars a year that we are losing in royalties twelve
billion dollars a year. Just imagine that over a ten
year period what that could do for society GG liberals,
new medicare and the end the ISS were not sustainable
for the you, but labor not interested in helping. Now

(50:02):
the budget isn't tatters and are trying to fix it
years later. Thank you for that, Steve. Eight, double two
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Speaker 6 (50:11):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Nineteen past ten to five Double A. In this hour
we have another double pass to give away to the
Royal Adelaide Show. Audrey, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 16 (50:24):
How are you.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I'm very well. Thanks you want to talk about the NDIS.

Speaker 16 (50:27):
Yes, thanks for taking my call. First of all, I'd
like to say I was very impressed with what Anne
Rustin had to say. It's the way I feel completely
that when you make changes for normal people, it's hard,
but when you throw in something that says that they
might not have any support, it really hurts a person
with a disability. They just don't have the ability to

(50:49):
work that through quickly. Yeah, so I think what she
said was great, but I'm not sure what I wanted
to bring up was. I'm not sure whether I'm listening
to you, But in and out, I don't know whether
someone's brought up the fact that Bedford is reliant or
that's how they're funded. Is the NDIS to a lot

(51:10):
of it. I have a son who's thirty two who
has cerebral palsy and intellectual challenges and autism, and he
works at Bedford, and Bedford has four hundred and six
dollars a day from his funding for James my son
to work there. So if you think about that in overall,

(51:33):
that's quite a bit of money. So a lot of
the NDAs is actually keeping those people in work, sure,
because if he doesn't have that funding, he can't work there.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
There's no question that Andyis does a lot of good,
There's no question about that. But it has got out
of hand.

Speaker 16 (51:51):
It certainly has that many many things that And I'm
really pleased that the crackdown's happening because it is only
the peace people that needed that should have it. I
work for a charity and I see people coming in
and hear lots of stories, so I'm really glad that
the crackdown's happening.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Good to hear it. Thank you for that, Budry. Let's
move on. Patricia Good morning, Graham.

Speaker 17 (52:14):
Thank you for taking Michael Graham. I have a daughter
with severe intellectual disability which is now morphing into physical
disability as she gets older because she doesn't exercise or
have any concept of anything like that. She's now fifty five,
and she has a very good NDIS package. However, every year,

(52:37):
as she ages and becomes weaker and less abled, the
NDIS in trying. I mean, you can understand why they're
doing it. They're trying to cut back. They've got what
they call a step down policy where each year they
review the plan and try to take away some of

(52:57):
the supports that you've got. Now, my daughter, it needs
more support every year, not less support every year. So
we have to go into battle every year. I'm an
eighty four year old woman on my own battling every
year to at least retain what we've got, and we certainly,

(53:20):
I mean, anything that's going to be a cutback for
her is just going to put her in a situation
where she's going to be so vulnerable that she's going
to suffer injuries. You know, standing up or even standing up,
even getting out of a car is now becoming an issue.
So you can't take her anywhere. Look, I think when
the NDAs was set up, it was fantastic and we

(53:42):
all breathed the cyber we were the family member, but
it was never I mean I was listening earlier on
this morning to the woman who said that they were
trying to give her son an NDIS package, and I
was saying, you can get this, and you can get
that chick that no, I don't want it. I think
what happened is that it just went out of control

(54:03):
and there were so many people who were really only
on the cusp of it. It should be I mean,
everybody deserves what they get, but I think that we've
got to look at the people, and it's like age care.
We've got to look at the people that cannot advocate
to themselves who are and they are not going to
get better. So thinking that a fifty five year old

(54:26):
intellectually disabled person who is now becoming very physically disabled
as well, is going to be better next year, so
we can withdraw some of the supports, but you can
understand why they're doing it because there's no money and
that they're trying to spread it thinly. So I applaud
the fact that you know they're looking at and sort

(54:49):
of seeing some of the warts that have been taking place.
But polease don't start withdrawing need that you know, supports
that people who desperate you need, and it's going to
put more of a burden on society. You know ifige
order ends up now in a wheelchair and needing lists
to get ri in and out of showers, and I mean,

(55:11):
it's just you're just adding more money to it.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, most certainly you understand. I mean, no, I take
your point, Patricia, and and you made your case very
well and thanks for sharing it with us. The NDIS
started for all the right reasons, but it has grown
uncontrolled now. I think Mark Butler is a good minister.
It won't happen overnight, but I think if anyone can

(55:34):
sort out the NDIS making sure that those that need
the protection and the advantages of the NDIS will still
retain it. But you know, and certainly we will stay
in touch with the Minister to find out exactly how
it's progressing. Tom Good morning, Good.

Speaker 13 (55:50):
Morning, Graham.

Speaker 15 (55:50):
I'm raying to speak briefly about the gas situation, but
if I may, we've been listening about the I know
two people in one fan who actually have connection with
the Indie Ice, which you know the family members need
support and the rest of it. In both cases they've
had how do I say this without where money has

(56:12):
been misspent by the provider and then the is people
do not give a flying fig. They reported We're talking
fifteen twenty thousand dollars and they do not care. The
months later after its being reported, nothing has been done
about those people who have obviously done the wrong thing.
I've told them you just go straight to the police,

(56:33):
and they just refuse to do it. So they're waiting
for the indi Ice to do something about it.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Anyway, there is Sorry, I would just sort of say
that probably an approach direct to Mark Butler's office might
get some results. But anyway, your.

Speaker 15 (56:45):
Point, Yeah, in my pointment the gas situation, I mean,
maybe I've missed it, but have you actually had the
opposition federal member for that area on your show and
pinned him down on him or heard down and say listen,
why can't you just somehow or another I'm obviously not
the flick of a pan and reverse these bloody agreements

(57:06):
where all this stuff is going overseas at a fraction
of the price and the strainers are missing out.

Speaker 13 (57:11):
Have you ever had the.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Mister, Tom, I'll tell you. Part of the issue is
that we're talking successive governments that have allowed this to happen.
And I'm just trying to think back who we have
spoken to from the opposition, and they did not condemn
out of hand or government's handling of the way we
tax our gas exports. They were very much in cahoots

(57:33):
with the way. And it's because, I mean, it started
with the Howard government. The Howard government allowed tax to
be or gas to be exported for virtually nothing and
in some cases absolutely nothing, and successive governments of both
persuasions have allowed this to happen.

Speaker 15 (57:48):
So they're wearing the uniform, but they're part of the
same game.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Well, basically, I think you've summed it up, Tom, and
we will and I'm just I can't quite think who
the appropriate minister would be at the moment. My producer
Sam Dato will find out exactly who it should be
and we will get them on the line because I
think we need to pursue this further because it is outrageous.

Speaker 15 (58:09):
Before you go, if I may just briefly, I stood
back and didn't actually apply for the age pension for
my own personal reasons. Anyway, I finally did it. And
when I filled out the concession form, which is a
separate issue for things like utilities and all the rest
of it, the concession evidently right there is no space
there to apply for a concession for gas strictly only electricity.

(58:32):
I tried ringing them on the hotline. I couldn't get through.
I tried four or five times yesterday to find out
why there's no space because I actually on me with
origin with both gas and electricity. But there is no
way we can claim a concession on gas. They really
really do not want Australians using gas. This is why
there's a bit of a push to actually demonize gas,

(58:55):
the pollution inside of bad pasthmatic and trying to get
everybody to go.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
You know, Victoria, they tried to ban gas on all
new bills. Gas was outlawed. I think they've relaxed that now,
but they tried to you know, and I mean there
are so many businesses that rely on gas. You speak
to any chef, a chef in a restaurant and say, oh,
you're going to have to cook with electricity. You know,
they all cook with gas.

Speaker 15 (59:16):
Yeah, that's that's where we're going. There's a big push
to stop gas being utilized in this country as all.
It's going to be going overseas.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Well, exactly exactly, and we're pumping so much overseas. And
I don't know if you've been listening to the program
when we talk about what Norway do compared to Australia,
I did they tax their exports of gas seventy eight percent?
Doesn't stop the multinationals coming in and mining for gas
and exporting the gas and paying the tax. And in

(59:46):
Norway they have a sovereign fund of two trillion dollars,
two trillion dollars that goes back into the economy to
pay for housing, to pay for schools, to pay for
health and what have we got? You don't have anything
of the like. We just give it away.

Speaker 15 (01:00:04):
It kind of missed another country. It must be looking
at us and think what a bunch of bloody o
your bows. You know they can't even run the country properly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Well, you should be the richest country on.

Speaker 15 (01:00:14):
Earth, absolutely, particularly with our colon and get as well
on top of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
That, but iron or you name it rich, what they
call rare earth, minerals, copper, you name it. We've got
it all here and if we don't give it away,
we won't mind it. Then look at it is. Don't
get me started, Tom, No, no.

Speaker 15 (01:00:34):
But I appreciate you what you're doing, mate, because very
few people in the media really give much to this.
And good on you for sticking your well. I was
going to say stick in your neck yet, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I'm losing a few friends in politics on both sides
of the house.

Speaker 15 (01:00:48):
I can tell you that that's okay. Maybe they're wanted
really good friends the end of the day, mate. I mean,
this is a serious thing. That country is being driven
into the ground.

Speaker 13 (01:00:59):
Mate.

Speaker 15 (01:01:00):
You're doing the right thing, and good on you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Good on you, Tom, Thanks for your call. Great to chat.
Terry called it in and said, there are no concessions
for gas? Why is that so it's there? Why are
they're pensioner concessions for other forms of power but not gas?
Why not? How fair is that? If you have gas
in your home, gas hot water, use gas for cooking,
why don't you get a concession if you're a pensioner.

(01:01:24):
That seems totally unjust and unfair. Eight double two to
three double double is the number to ring coming up
after news headlines, Johnson and Withers Legal Segment, the time
for you to call in with your legal problems, and
Caitlin Walkington will join me in the studio. Get in
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over seventy five years legal experience. Johnston Withers dot com
dot au. This being a Thursday, ten thirty and just
a bit beyond time for our legal segment with the
courtesy of Johnston Withers, my pleasure to welcome to the
studio Caitlin Walkington, Caitlan, good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:02:00):
Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
We missed your last week.

Speaker 18 (01:02:02):
Yeah, it just feel like I haven't been here for
a while. So any Will's questions, State questions, keep them
coming today and yeah eight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Double two three, double o, double o if you have
any legal questions at all. I've got a text last
week to say that of all the segments that we
have on this morning program, they believe that the legal segment.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
Is the best.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Oh I never met it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Great, that's so good to hear. But as we always say,
get in early, with your questions because a lot of
people just like to listen for a while and oh
now I'll ring up, and it's too late, so ring
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Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
We were talking just before we came on Caplin about
a story that I found really disturbing of elder abuse.

Speaker 18 (01:02:44):
This one is really sad because I think it's so relatable.
So this was a case of where a father really
innocently entrusted the help of his son to help deal
with first of all a stolen credit card and then
to deal with setting up his Mygove account for his pension,
and you know, thought everything was going well or he
had a good relationship with his son, and nine years

(01:03:06):
later found finds out that his son has stolen two
hundred and thirty thousand from him. And I think that
like it's important to have these conversations for a number
of reasons. There's obviously a bit of a I don't know,
a public perception that when you hear about these stories,
that everyone keeps them quiet, that you know, it isn't
really well known. People don't like to talk about it,

(01:03:26):
they don't like to make it knowing that they've been
taken advantage of. But there are some pretty alarming statistics
with all of this that got released a few years ago,
where that's one in six older Australians experienced some form
of elder abuse within a twelve month period, and then
out of that one in six, sixty one percent of
people who experience it don't seek help or advice, and

(01:03:47):
they actually don't come forward to say that this has
happened to me. So what I wanted to do is
talk through Ray's story to just remind people about how
easy it could occur, and you know, quite significant you
know consequence, and then talk about what you can do
to protect yourself from these things occurring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
When you mentioned elder abuse, a lot of people think, oh,
it's physical abuse they've been but it's not necessarily that.

Speaker 18 (01:04:09):
No, and it deals with so many different facets. It
is just it could be psychological, it could be emotional,
it could be financial, it could be neglect abuse, you know,
physical or sexual abuse as well. Is things such as
you know, borrowing money and not paying it back, you know,
accessing bank funds and using them for their own benefit,

(01:04:30):
restricting contact with different family or friends, you know, really
taking control of someone's life, not making them involved in
their own decisions. I think that that's a big one
that I see, you know, kids stepping in and thinking
that they know what's best for you know, mom and
dad and saying, well, I've decided what happens to them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
It is awful when you think that being elder abuse,
it's probably at a time in life that a person
is is not as sharp and resilient as I used
to be. They're probably needing to lean on people for
a bit of support. But in all other ways, you know,
their their faculties are there, but because maybe they're a
little frail, the people feel like they can take advantage

(01:05:09):
of them.

Speaker 18 (01:05:09):
Yeah, exactly. And I think it's because we don't have
these open conversations about elder abuse, like it is a
bit of a buzz word that I think that we
need to be talking about more and more so that
people realize it does happen. And if it happens to you,
you know, it's not because you're you know, a fool
or you know it's it is just an unfortunate part
of life, and if you want to protect yourself, the

(01:05:31):
best way is to have these conversations and talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
We might talk a bit more about that cakeland, but
the calls are rolling in Elizabeth, good morning, go ahead.

Speaker 19 (01:05:40):
HI always said, my husband passed away in May and
the house is in joint names. Now do I have
to change the deeds at all?

Speaker 18 (01:05:51):
Elizabeth, I'm sorry to hear that your husband has passed away.
First of all, I guess the first thing is is
whether or not you own that property with your husband
as joint tenants or tenants in common. You might have
heard me speak on radio about this before, but just
as a bit of a recap for you or anyone
else listening in South Australia, there's two ways that you

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can own property with another person or people, and that's
either as joint tenants or as tenants in common. Now,
the key distinction with this is with tenants in common.
It's when you have a defined interest in the property,
and quite often that can still be fifty to fifty
so you've got even ownership. But you know you can
also set it up so its you know, sixty forty

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on only ten however you want to do it, and
it means that if you own it as tenants in common,
your interest in that property will full part of your
state when you pass away, and then that means in
order to be able to get it transferred to the beneficiary,
we do need to go through the probate process. The
other way to hold property in South Australia is as

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joint tenants, and it basically means is that you've got
no defined interest in the property and when you pass away,
the property automatically reverts to the surviving owner. So the
first thing that you need to do, Elizabeth, is pull
out the title and if you can't find the title,
just contact a conveyance of someone at Johnston with Us
can help you do that. It's a small fee to

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do the search to confirm whether your owners joint tenants
or tenants in common I mean like a ten dollar
fee or to the Land Services Group and then once
you know how it's held, then we can talk through
the option. So if it's as tenants in common, like
I said, there's a bit of a probate process, but
if it's joint tenants, the property is already reverted to
you because you have survived your husband, and you don't

(01:07:39):
actually have to go through any of those processes to
formally register that any particular timeframe. So obviously, if you
were to sell the property or to refinance or anything
like that, it would need to be done at that time.
But there's not any otherwise imperative to go ahead and
register that straight away.

Speaker 19 (01:07:57):
Oh fantastic because of king there's four children, but they've
adult children, but they've got no interest in it at all.

Speaker 18 (01:08:05):
Yes, I think just working out the first question is
whether or not the property is held as joint tenants
or tenants in common, and then that will just confirm
what steps you need to take to deal with that
if any.

Speaker 19 (01:08:17):
If it's tenants in common, I need do nothing at
the moment.

Speaker 20 (01:08:21):
No.

Speaker 18 (01:08:21):
Sorry. If it's joint tenants, then you don't need to
do anything, And if it's tenants in common, then we'll
have a bit further of a chat about applying for
probate to get that fully put in your name, because
there's additional step that will need to be taken, which
will depend on what your husbands will actually says. You
know who's the executor and who's the beneficiary.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Elizabeth, thanks for your call. We'll move on. Louise, good
morning to you.

Speaker 21 (01:08:44):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
You want to talk about mother's will.

Speaker 21 (01:08:48):
Yes, it's been a couple of years now, and her
estates still got to be settled. And I've just got
a question. There's two charities she left some part of
her estate too, and it's being held up because one
of the charities is stopped trying to decide whether they
take her shares as opposed to the cash. And I
hadn't heard of that, and I didn't realize that they

(01:09:10):
would have a choice, so I thought all the shares
would be sold and then the money distributed.

Speaker 18 (01:09:16):
Yeah, Louise, I'm sorry that your months passed away, but
also that it's been held up for a number of years,
because that does sound like a long period of time
for an estate. It really depends on the language used
in the will and how that it's actually written. So
if the charities, for example, just receive a set bequest

(01:09:37):
or a set amount of money, then they just received that.
So ordinarily, as executives, your job is to call in
the assets, pay off the liabilities, and then first of all,
pay any set legacies so you know, charitybook bequests or
set amounts of money to particular people gifts first and
then deal with the residue of the estate. And remember

(01:09:58):
the residues basically just whatever's left over. Once you know,
all of those other matters are dealt with if a charity,
or it doesn't even have to be a charity. If
a beneficiary is part of the residue, the executor can
ask the beneficiaries whether or not subject to the powers
and the will of course, but whether or not they
want everything to be sold and receive the cash, or

(01:10:20):
whether or not they want to receive the assets of
the state what we call in specie, so receiving those
assets in full so that they get transferred to them.
It all depends on the terms of the will as
to how that all actually works out in theory. But
for example, if in a very very simple estate, mum

(01:10:41):
passes away and wants to leave her a state to
her two children, equally, if those children were in agreeance
that they didn't want mum's house sold and that they
wanted it put into their names as tenants in common,
then the executive can actually do that as well. So
there is ways that beneficiaries can receive the shares or

(01:11:03):
can receive the assets in full. They have to agree
to do that, and if there are multiple beneficiaries, all
the beneficiaries need to be on the same page for
that occurring and to the extent that there is delays
in making those decisions, the default position should be that
everything gets sold and that they just receive their share
for the estate. So if that's delaying their administration, I

(01:11:25):
think that that's what I would be suggesting as you
speak to the executor about moving it along that way.

Speaker 21 (01:11:31):
Right, Okay, thank you very much, all the best.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Thanks for you call Louise eight double two three double
O double the number to ring you can ring right
now back shortly.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
Five double A. Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Seven past eleven, five double A. Well, we've been talking
throughout the morning about this call for desirable spare bedrooms
to be taxed to help fix our housing crisis. More
than a quarter of Australian households consist of just one person,
yet only six percent of homes are one bedroom or
still your apartments. Meanwhile, the most common dwelling is a
three bedroom home, despite two person households making up a

(01:12:06):
third of the population. Research by Cotality Austrata highlights a
growing dispatch between household size and housing stock. Head of
Research Eliza Owen says homes are often underutilized as household
sizes shrink, leaving excess bedrooms while spare rooms can be useful.
Oh in question whether this inefficiency could be addressed through

(01:12:27):
a land tax or stamp duty reform to encourage downsizing.
She acknowledged it's a big ass to expect people to
leave their long held homes, but said it's equally tough
for young families priced out of the market. The findings
come as national talks examine how to fast track construction
of one point two million new homes in five years.
So what are your thoughts about that? Folks? Would you

(01:12:49):
like to pay a bedroom tax just to help fix
our housing problem? Give us your thoughts eight double two
three double Oh. Well on a more enlightened note, well,
maybe not enlightened, but a higher option note. There's a
new moon. It's been discovered orbiting uranus. Just how significant

(01:13:09):
is the fine? Well, there's no one better to talk
to than a new astrophysicist and cosmologist, doctor Brad Tucker. Brad,
good morning to you.

Speaker 22 (01:13:17):
How's it going, Graham?

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I'm really well. Thanks, So I'm pretty tough to hear
that the uranus has a new moon. I guess it's
not new to Uranus. It's been there all along, we
just haven't seen it before exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:13:30):
That's right.

Speaker 22 (01:13:30):
It's you know, it's not that it's just been created
it because it's pretty much been so small we haven't
been able to see it. And there's been a big
shift in a lot of these cases where more telescopes
have come online and they've become more sensitive. We started
to find smaller and smaller moons. This this moon or
natural satellite, it's only ten kilometers wide. Yeah, I mean

(01:13:53):
it's smaller in Adelaide, right, you know, but if you
think about it that way, it's to see that one
hundreds of millions of kilometers away really hard to do.
So it's kind of been hiding in plain sight. But
with the James web Space telescope it was able to
pick it up a few months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Didn't NASA's Voyager two go past Uranus? Why didn't?

Speaker 13 (01:14:15):
Exactly?

Speaker 22 (01:14:15):
And in fact until James web or best images of
Uranus and Neptune, those outer planets came from Voyager two
when it did the flyby. Voyager one and two were
built to do the flybys of those gash giants and
ice giants. So Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus in Neptune, but you
know Jupiter and Saturn effect, you should not Uranus in Neptune.

(01:14:38):
So really we were reliant on a lot of these
old images, and you know, this moon was so small,
you know, it wasn't going to be able to capture everything,
and it was only doing a fly by. So yeah, Urinus.
You know, a lot of the moons got spotted with
Voyager two, but not this one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Should we be excited by the slightest discovery?

Speaker 22 (01:14:58):
Look, I mean, I think it's a really cool thing
because we're starting to push the bounds of what is
out there in the Solar system. Earlier in the year,
there was over one hundred new moons announced around Saturn.
Saturn now has two hundred and forty two moons, Jupiter
now has ninety five, Uranus has twenty nine. You know,
put to the scale are one, but our one is

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still the best, so that's okay. But it's really trying
to show what the Solar system is, what the Solar
systems exists, but also the evolution of these outer planets
because a a lot of these moons are some of
the best places to look for habitability to places of
host life, but they also have very interesting systems. All

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of those outer planets actually have rings. We only think
about Saturn with its rings, but Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and
Neptune all have ring systems. So it tells us a
lot about how planets themselves are formed, how the Solar
system came to be, and then how we settled into
the status.

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
Quo we're in today.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Now, remind me, Brad, how big is Urins compared to
a stride. Well, let's let's compare it to Earth.

Speaker 22 (01:16:04):
So, so Uranus is is quite large relative to Earth
in terms of size, size and mass to be fair,
so it's about four times the diameter or roughly between
Uranus and Saturns. So are sorry Urus and Earth. So
to put this in a scale, you can put sixty

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ish Earth inside Urine is quite comfortably now, so that's
actually quite large. So it's a fairly large planet. So
when you think of a ten kilometer you know, a
smaller than city sized object, that is a huge difference.
And so there's these bands or batches of moons who
are starting to find around a lot of these planets

(01:16:48):
where they're not just kind of evenly spread there. They
they have certain patterns and they sort of have certain
distances that these moons orbit these planets.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Apply.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Earth has one moon, you're us has one extra moon.
How many entitled would Uranus have?

Speaker 22 (01:17:03):
So Urinus now has twenty nine, so it had twenty
seven for the longest time, and then twenty eight one
was discovered a little bit after looking at the Voyager
two data. This is one of the newer moons that's
been discovered. So, you know, we expect there to be
more out there, as more telescopes there at Urinus potentially
as a mission goes up to go look at it,
and you know, be the same with Neptune. It is

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likely that there are more moons out there at these
places that have just been hiding in plain sight and
so as we and then it also starts to get
to the question, which is an interesting one. You know,
is there a limit of what you need to be.

Speaker 13 (01:17:38):
With the moon.

Speaker 22 (01:17:39):
It's kind of like this whole Pluto debate, you know,
we you know, when Pluto got picked out of the
Planet Club, it was not because we were picking on it.
It was because for the longest time we just had
these objects and said there were planets, But then we
started buying smaller and further and bigger things, and we
had to come up with the definition of what it
meant and will we reach that point with natural satellites
or moons? Is there a size lemit? You know, if

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you find something a meter wide or one hundred or
five hundred meters wide, is it's still a moon because
with our current definition you just have to go around
another object.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
This is a very small moon by many definition. Will
it get a name?

Speaker 22 (01:18:17):
It will eventually get a name. Right now it's called
S twenty twenty five U one. That is because it's
satellite discovered in twenty twenty five around Uranus, you and
the first one. It eventually will get a name, and
every planet and every system has its own naming system.
So the moons of Uranus are named primarily after shakespeare

(01:18:39):
characters or Alexander Pope character, so likely to have a
Shakespearean name. What it's eventually decided on?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Brilliant, good on your brad, always great to chat. Thank
grim doctor Brad Taka, astrophysicist and cosmologist. Uranus has a
new moon, very small but ten guys across. But Urinus
has well before we knew there were twenty eight moons.
Now it has twenty nine Paul old Earth, we're just
stuck with one five Double.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Well, we have a whole lot of calls banked up.
We'll get to them pretty well straight away. But before
we do, but our answer, Dean hi Gg great showers
always could you provide the name of the legislation that
the government is introducing the earlier caller described giving them
draconian or even communist powers. It's filtering down from the
federal level. It seems, well, yes, I will do it.
Was call it Tim Dean that contacted us earlier. It's

(01:19:36):
the Melanalysis Government Emergency Management Miscellaneous Amendment Bill twenty twenty four,
and Sarah Gain posted this on social media. Under the
Amended General Powers Section twenty five of the Act, the
State Coordinator and authorized officers are given the power to
issue directions in any form without limitation. These directions may

(01:19:58):
contravene another law of the state, affect individual's personal rights,
and may use force to ensure compliance. These directions can
include breaking into any land, building, structure, or vehicle, taking
possession or assuming control over any land body of water,
removing or destroying buildings, structures, vehicles, vegetations and even animals,

(01:20:21):
ordering real estate owners to forfeit control of their properties,
removing people or animals, directing people to submit to a
decontamination procedure, directing people to isolate. Sarah Game says, I
was the only member of Parliament who opposed these extraordinary
measures and the only one who presented significant measures to
limit these powers. All Legislative Council members voted against my

(01:20:44):
proposals to restrict and provide reasonable oversight of these excessive powers.
Now we will have Sarah Game on the show tomorrow
morning to explain what she feels. I think just listening
reading that out, it doesn't seem real, doesn't Is that
draconian or is that draconian? We will talk more about
that tomorrow, but let's take some calls. John, Good morning,

(01:21:07):
Hello Johnah, Yes.

Speaker 23 (01:21:09):
I am sorry, Graham, tell me.

Speaker 24 (01:21:13):
Quick comment.

Speaker 23 (01:21:15):
It's funny. I think it's called yesterday the gender pay
gap this year, And I'm glad you dug a little
deeper on that because there's an excellent article by Janet
Obrokson in The Australian a little while back. I don't
know if you can dig that out. She would be
a fabulous person to see the idiocy of this coming out,

(01:21:36):
because I'm glad you asked the question about why do
we have that pay gap, and based on the reasons
given them, that gender pay gap will never be closed
for the very reasons that there are different roles. Yes,
women do tend to take more time off and all
that type of stuff, So if we're trying to equalize
that masan all that, that would be almost a communist

(01:21:57):
type situation in my view. But Sai, if you can
find that article, the second point is the nd I s.

Speaker 12 (01:22:05):
It's rather.

Speaker 23 (01:22:07):
It's just another example of a great idea with a
very poor design. Surely they would have known at the
start that there's always the people out there who are
extremely good at getting in front of a bucket of
government money, and they.

Speaker 13 (01:22:20):
Are experts at that.

Speaker 23 (01:22:22):
So I'm very disappointed. Yes, I can blame the liberals
for slack administration, but there shouldn't been rules in place
in the very early stages to stop a rulting and
b what there was the figure of mart But it's
astonishing amount of year twos that are now on it so.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Like that, it's just horrendous. The number some of them
are justified there's no question about that, but that that
figure is totally out of hand. Yeah, look we will
pursue that. Good and John, thanks for bringing that to
our attention. Yes, the NDI is a wonderful concept but
has been badly mismanaged and let grow like topsy to
the extent as it's fifty six billion dollars that is

(01:23:02):
costing the taxpayer at the moment, that's tip to go
to over one hundred billion dollars within ten years. Just crazy, Dave, Good.

Speaker 20 (01:23:10):
Morning, Good eye, Mike, pleas that you just rang out
mellon now because law boy galloning, that's crap and people
want to remember this a we're viding next month, are
we we are?

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:23:28):
Oh, I start thinking about it, feeble you might and
we mightn't kick him out, but we might do a
hell of a lot of bloody damnagues. Alnta, Alnta Homes,
torrens All and pair starhedd Ie in boot YEP, one
of them there pulling down and building a battery. I'm

(01:23:48):
just wondering whether Tom or Peter has sort of about
saying to them, no, you put a hold on destroyer
on demolishing the second one and leave that in work condition.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
By the way, it's Agler Energy that owns Torrens Island
a linter.

Speaker 20 (01:24:06):
Sorry sorry, they're that one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
That's right.

Speaker 20 (01:24:09):
Yeah, whether they've put a conveiance on that or something,
that's right. You leave that second one alone. We want
that left the line as a fully operating path station.
I wonder if anybody thought that far along and to me,
Sally Sally men with the ADF. If we sack Elbow,

(01:24:32):
there's six hundred thousand and two of its ministers. There's
another four hundred thousand each. There's one point two million,
and I reckon we can scraunge up another three hundred
thousand to keep it gown.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Yeah, for those that are not aware, the Australian Army
has axed funding for the Salvation Army's Red Shield Defense
Services Sallyman Service, which has provided just wonderful, wonderful service.
He goes back to the Second Boar War. You know,
since eighteen ninety nine they introduced this backup for our

(01:25:09):
defense forces. Well, the government or the Australian Army has
decided to pull funding from there. Maria at Forest Range,
Good morning, Maria, Good.

Speaker 25 (01:25:19):
Morning, gar Graham. Now please let's have a very constructive
but not missing formed debate, and please don't cut me
off because there's very important issues that we need to
talk about. NDIS courts now, don't deliver the same old,

(01:25:45):
the same old. I've heard the Minister of Health in
regards to and THEIS, I've heard the shadow Shadow Minister
Ruskin of the discussions, and I've heard a caller, Patricia.
I am sympathetic Patricia. She said that her very very

(01:26:10):
disabled person won't participate. And we don't need friends in
politics like those that you said. We need open conversation,
open debate, open voices. The three parties are guilty of

(01:26:31):
ripping NDOS costing of the taxpayers at the moment of
fifty three or fifty four million, and it's going to
be one hundred, yeah, one hundred and forty villions. I
heard the minister say social. That word social just actually

(01:26:55):
give me a very bad vibe. Social program headline implications, questions, delivery, delivery, deliberate,
deliberal appointments. Look, what we need, we need, indis to

(01:27:22):
actually cover the people that are truly, truly, truly, truly disabled.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yep, good point, Thank you for that, Maria. Let's move on, Mark,
Good morning, Mark, go ahead, I was just.

Speaker 13 (01:27:37):
Going to quit. Can I say something quickly about indis
One of the things Graham, We've got to look at
is very well meaning people in professional life who faced
with a young child who has got some problems, upgrade
their diagnosis to make sure they conform and get the funding.

(01:28:01):
Because it is happening, Graham. There are medicos who are
upgrading somebody saying they are maybe, in their professional opinion,
a little bit worse than maybe they honestly think they are.
Because if they are that bit worse, they get the funding. Now,
you know, wonder the places in the mess. The thing

(01:28:21):
I wanted to say though about housing is why, and
it happened all my life, all your life. Why in
this country do we seem to have a naughty school
kid mentality when it comes to government? You know how
pacting bedrooms is ridiculous. It's like going back to England

(01:28:42):
when they tax chimneys. How do you prove that your
house hasn't got three bedrooms, it's got two bedrooms and
a study, or two bedrooms and a sewing room for
your wife? And do we tack that? Why don't they
instead turn around and say to people in our age group. Graham, Hey,

(01:29:02):
there are incentives for you to move somewhere smaller. We
might actually cut the amount of money we rip off
you simply for selling or buying a house. We might
actually lower the taxes. You know, carrots work as well
as sticks. Why do we always seem to have governments,
Graham that look at sticks rather than carrots?

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Great point, Good on you make thanks for that one.
We'll call before in these headlines, Elizabeth, good.

Speaker 26 (01:29:27):
Morning, Yes, good morning Graham, and it's wonderful to hear
your program.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 26 (01:29:33):
I'm wanting to talk to you about your artem on gas,
and I'd like you to know that in Victoria they
are opening a huge new terminal for gas to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Be delivered important.

Speaker 26 (01:29:49):
That's right, importing it important gas. I mean, what has
this country come to. They have the cheapest and best
easily gas in Victoria. All they need is a pick
to get planned.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
I know they tried to ban all new new bills
in Victoria. For a time there you couldn't install gas.
They've tried to stamp out gas all together. And now
they realized they can't live without gas. And because we
export most of our gas overseas and give most of
it away. We're having to install terminals to import gas.
I mean you wouldn't really. It's like a comedy show,

(01:30:28):
only it's not funny.

Speaker 26 (01:30:31):
Thank you for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Good on you, Elizabeth, thanks so much for you call
eight double two to three double o double oh. On
a lighter note, we're gonna have a chat with a
local footy umpire who's reached one thousand games with the
Adelaide Footy League. It's an amazing story.

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Good morning. We'll come to this Thursday, the twenty first
day of August. It's Daffodil Day for the Council Cancer Council.
So if you're in the city, in the mall or
around and you see the Cancer councils smiling, friendly faced
people with their little badges for Daffodil Day, make sure
you buy one contribute. Cancer Council do a sensational job.

(01:31:09):
It's all about giving because cancer takes so much from
our lives and the lives of people we care about.
So buy a daffodil and smile. Eight double two to
three double o double oh. Who are the most dislike
people in football? How long do you need to think
about it. Well, it's the umpires, but let's face it,
it wouldn't be a game without them. Well, we're going
to speak to someone now who has umpired nine one

(01:31:31):
hundred and ninety nine matches of football with the Adelaide
Footy League. David balls Bales joins us. David, good morning
to you.

Speaker 27 (01:31:40):
Good morning Graham. Nice to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Game one thousand for the Adelaid Footy League coming out.

Speaker 27 (01:31:45):
One thousand on Saturday. Fantastic Grand Final Division six out
at Saint Mary's.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Whatever mappened, whatever made you want to take.

Speaker 27 (01:31:54):
Up umpiring, Well, I had. My father played football. He
was in the Air Force during the war. He played
a few games there, and before that he played at
Norwood High School and he was very keen on his football.
But when he came back from the war, he got
a bad injury when he was playing amateur footy and
they told him that he got I think he did

(01:32:15):
an ACL And in those days they said, if you've
done an ACL, then that's the end of your career.
They said if you get it injured again, because they
didn't do any operations then, and they said to him
that he could do something else. But not play footy.
So he had a friend in an office where he
was working who was tied up with the league, the
s ANFL, and he said, well, come out and be

(01:32:36):
an umpire John. So my dad went out and umpire
the SNFL. And in nineteen fifty nine our family went
up to Darwin and my father became the umpire's coach
and by all the grand finals up there. I suppose
if you're the coach, you could do that. And I
used to watch him doing that, and I went to
I came down to Norwod High School. We lived in

(01:32:57):
the territory in our springs and Darn where my father
was the coach an umpired and when we came back
for me to do the study purposes, I went to
nor High and I went to I thought i'd play
footy because I liked well a lot of the young boys,
we all like footy. And I went went there and
they said you're the six reserve for the bees. That
they did they by the looking at me and I

(01:33:19):
sat next to a guy who was in the hockey
team and he said, he said, Davey, you're quick. He
said he didn't come out with us and play hockey.
So I went out and played hockey and in my
first game I hit four goals and I got signed
up by a burnside talent scout. So for a few
years I did the hockey. But then when I went
to Adelaide UNI, I thought I was looking around for
a part time job, and my dad said, well, you

(01:33:39):
could take up umpiring. You'll be better than doing anything else,
and you can. You won't get injury injest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
So how long ago was that, David?

Speaker 27 (01:33:47):
Yeah, well I began. I started on my first game
in nine to sixty nine, so that's what about fifty
fifty six years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
How old are you? Do you mind me asking?

Speaker 27 (01:33:57):
No, I don't mind seventy six and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
You're still umpiring to the very day.

Speaker 27 (01:34:01):
You must be fit, yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got to
be fit to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah you must.

Speaker 27 (01:34:10):
I always did. I always liked to say much. I
always did two games. So even even this last weekend gone,
I had the C grade and then I ran ran
into the B grade straight after that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Wow, so it's a thousand games coming up for the
Adelaie Footy League. How many games do you reckon you
came up?

Speaker 13 (01:34:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
How many games you reckon.

Speaker 15 (01:34:27):
You have umpired overall overall about probably two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
I bet you've copped a bit of abuse in that time.

Speaker 27 (01:34:36):
Yeah, well, yeah, in the old days, all the players
used to abuse us and and abuse each other. Not
all of them. I mean I had I had people
like Robern and he never abused anyone. And he would
he would cant to you and say, oh, David, he said,
if any of the any of my players are not
treating you with respect, please let me know and I'll
have a quiet word to them. He was very quietly spoken,

(01:34:58):
but he was. He was a fan, a stick player
though they certainly was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
There were none better than that.

Speaker 27 (01:35:03):
So he whenever I had him in the when he
did he played for Walkerville when he got injured, after
he got injured in the state game in Sydney, I think,
and then he played for Walkerville and he coached there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
As well, so it was in his blood.

Speaker 27 (01:35:16):
A bit of a career there until injuries forced him
to retire again.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
So in the Adelaide Footy League, how many umpires on
the ground central umpires we have?

Speaker 27 (01:35:25):
We have two, two, three umpires on that on the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Yet, what are your.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Thoughts about the senior AFL level four umpires.

Speaker 27 (01:35:32):
The four umpires, I think we had had an interview
with some of the AFL umpires for one of our
Zoom meetings and they said that the game is so
quick these days. Two umpires would wouldn't be able to
do it. You'd be burned out and that would leave
you'd only have a few absolutely superstar quick umpires that

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would still be in it, and they wouldn't be in
it for all that long. So I think I think
the four umpire system can work. But the main, main,
main problem is the rules where they keep they keep
changing the rules, and they and when they change the rules,
that's hard for the umpires to adjust all the time exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Which which is the hardest rule to interpret as an umpire?

Speaker 27 (01:36:14):
I think that the hard one of the most difficult
is the holding the ball, and the other one I
think is in the back I don't think the AFL
pay enough in the back freeze personally, because you see
sometimes a player ridden into the ground and then there's
not there's there's nothing much that happens after that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Yeah, I think as a supporter, we just want consistency.
So if they pay it one way, pay it that
way all day, you know, but one one end pays
it one way and one at the other end plays
the other.

Speaker 27 (01:36:43):
Consistency is think that's something that I think the AFL
might They probably try to work on it anyway, but
it is it is difficult if you've got four umpires
and if the rules are changing all the time, you know,
so that one umpire might have a set set idea
of umpiring a certain style and then than the rule changes,
you know, like the descent rule. They had a lot
of debate over that. Now when the players were talking

(01:37:05):
about decisions, like one umpire would be okay and the
player would say, oh what the hell is that for
hum and the umpire wouldn't play a penalty of fifty
penalty bit other ones. If they just said anything they bang,
they'd just jump down. There'll be a fifty minute penalty.
But they worked through that and it's not as bad now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
They certainly have settled down. So game one thousand is
coming up.

Speaker 27 (01:37:26):
You're seven my other thousandth game back in two thousand
and four.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Wow, all right, well you're not going to get to three.
You're not going to get to three thousand. But is
retirement on the Horizon seventy six.

Speaker 27 (01:37:37):
If I if I live for another you know, if
I make it to one hundred. My dad's still alive.
He's going to be ninety nine and in a few weeks. Wow,
he's still pretty fair.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Yeah. So are you going to take umpire humpire on
into next year?

Speaker 27 (01:37:50):
Yeah, I'll go onto next year. My coach Colin Rousten said,
and some of the other reporters that I Dave or Bailsy,
they call me Bailsy out in the league and I
know half of Adelaide through that. He said that you're
going to go next year. I said, yeah, I'll go
next to you, but I might cut down to just one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Game a week, not too You're amazing, Bowsie. Great to
chat with you, and congratulations and well done on your
nine hundred and ninety nine and all the best. Will
game one thousand on the weekend.

Speaker 27 (01:38:17):
Yeah, yeah, I'll certainly celebrate it and have a good time.
You've got to celebrate it, and you've got to enjoy
your game, and you've got to explain the decisions as
you go, and you've got to make sure that the
rough rauffis you have a good relationship with them. You
I always get on with players like Gary McIntosh and
Wayne Wiederman.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Smart move.

Speaker 27 (01:38:35):
Have I never had any trouble with him?

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Smart move? Good on your David Well, David Bowsy Bails officiating.
Is one hundredth Adelaide Footy League game this weekend, one thousand,
one hundredth Yeah, No, one thousandth Adelaide Footy League game
this weekend. Fifty six years with the whistle, He's seventy
six years of age. What a great story. Let's take
some calls, Peter, Good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:38:58):
He how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
Thanks?

Speaker 28 (01:39:00):
I just want to bring up the is ranking thing, right, Yeah,
the concept that the AFL can control someone's speech. It's unconstitutional.
This thing belongs to the court, right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
This is god install.

Speaker 28 (01:39:17):
He's got a whole lot of players sue, a whole
lot of rules.

Speaker 24 (01:39:21):
Which probably don't unconstituted.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Want to start off with, Yeah, there are a whole
lot of rules in the AFL, Peter, that are unconstitutional.
But the AFL says, this is our competition. If you
want to planet, you are bide by the rules. And
I think that's the way it works. Like it or
lump it, they can say it.

Speaker 28 (01:39:38):
But you know, if you want to work for ABC company,
and you make the rules the ABC company. You say
where you don't like it, you can lose you. Right
then you end up in the commission having to reinstate
the person you just stacked.

Speaker 12 (01:39:53):
Understand.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but we're not going
to tie up with players and coaches and teams in
litigation all the time, challenging everything the AFL do.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
This is a.

Speaker 28 (01:40:03):
Fundamental constitutional right. They have no right to obligate people
speak right, and it's got to be stored there. It's
going to get worse and worse going by then. Right
then some ers don't get a hundred weeks after a
couple of years going will fy the way in which
they do it. If I went to the commission and
I said, oh, well, guys don't get one week for this,

(01:40:26):
and someone else started, then they're going to get two weeks.
Someone else get to six, three weeks. I'll be last
to have the Commission's articulous. You can't run this is
a very process like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yeah, No, I hear what you're saying, Peter. But the
AFL makes its own rules, and if you want to
play in the competition, you abide by those rules. Yes
they can be challenged, Yes you can take them to
higher courts of appeal, but there's nowhere else to go,
and there's nowhere else to play. It's not like saying
to take your bat and board and play in another competition.
You won't play anything of that magnitude. Andrew, good morning,

(01:40:58):
Good thanks.

Speaker 24 (01:41:00):
Yeah, So I think before marriage shopping said many remember,
and we had a bid of a chat about NGOs stuff.
And so I've got a daughter who has been an
early intervention in SINTI at five, and we recently went
down because Joys wanted to cut it off because we
had a diagnosis. So we had to go down the

(01:41:24):
autism diagnosis path to keep her on it, because she
required a speech safe, she requires a TV, used to
require some physio. All these activities would cost us a
lot of money to have to pork out if we
had to do it ourselves. We don't own enough to
be able to do that. So we went down the
autism way and got a darg minsis. But yeah, it's like,

(01:41:50):
I get that it's costing the government a lot of money,
and I see the trying to do a distant pathway.
We don't know exactly how it's going to look. So anxiety,
you know, yeah, yeah, I can look.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
We might leave it there. It's not a very good line, Andrew,
but I understand your pain. It is very difficult. What
has happened with the NDIS. What started out as a
great idea of great concept has been let run, largely unmanaged,
and it's been abused to a great deal. The new
minister in the role of the NDIS, Minister Mark Butler,
is trying to make the best of a very bad situation.

(01:42:32):
But what's it costing the country? Fifty six billion dollars
a year that's expected to blow out to over one
hundred billion dollars a year by the end of the decade.
This economy can't sustain it. This country can't sustain it.
So there has to be some pruning, and we would
hope that those that need the services of the NDIS
will not be overlooked. Back shortly five Double A Mornings

(01:42:55):
with Graham Goodings eleven minutes to twelve on five Double
A A double two, three double O doubles and number ring.
You still have time to call. Although we are going
to give away our last double pass to the Royal
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(01:43:18):
Well almost presented by Drake's Get tickets at the show.
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more double passes to give away as we get closer
to the show. I mentioned it earlier. More embarrassment for
the Prime Minister. It turns out that the Aussie mining
giants have actually leapfrog the Prime Minister in securing a
one on one meeting with the US President. There's even

(01:43:40):
a picture of them in the White House surrounding his
offer desk, while our Prime Minister remains one of the
few world leaders yet to meet with the US President.
I think fifteen of the world leaders Israel, Japan, India, Poland, Norway,
South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Evidens, United Kingdom,

(01:44:01):
European Union, Russia, Ukraine and France. They're the ones that
we can just think of that have all had a
meeting with Donald Trump since he's come to power this
time around, but so far Anthony ALBINIZI has not managed
to secure a meeting, but he has said, look, hang on, look,
I've had lots of engagements with senior US lawmakers. I

(01:44:21):
was the first person to meet with the incoming speaker
when he visited or was appointed to the US Congress.
I met with over one hundred people either in Congress,
the representatives or senators. I met with and hosted about
eight Republican and Democrat congress people and senators just last
week at Kiribilly House. I traveled to Sydney in order
to host them and to engage with them. Well, yes,
Prime Minister, so that's all well and good, but what

(01:44:43):
about the president. You know you mightn't like him. You've
a bowed before and said and declared that you don't
like him, as has your ambassador Kevin Rudd. Could that
be the sticking point because the normal process would be
on diplomatic levels that the ambassador would approach the White
House and say, our Prime minister would like a meeting
with your president, and it's organized. But mentioning the name

(01:45:06):
Kevin Rudd to Donald Trump is like a red rag
to a bull. Some of the things that Kevin Rudd
said about Donald Trump really stirred up the US president
and not surprisingly so is there any wonder that we
cannot get our prime minister cannot get a meeting with
the US President. It is embarrassing, there's no question about that.

(01:45:27):
And as the weeks tick by, the months tick by,
what's it been seven almost eight months now since Donald
Trump came to power? Still no meeting the time the
clock is ticking. From the text line reland for public housing,
there is a vacant block of land in Elizabeth Grove
privately owned. It was the old shopping complex. The land

(01:45:47):
has been vacant and clear for over ten years. It
sounds like a mini the corn New situation. This would
be a great spot for many public housing places to
be built, but nothing has been done about it and
it's becoming a dumping ground for rubbish. I believe that
the owner of this land also owns the Paddy's Market
complex in Parre Hills. This is exasperating, isn't it, Because

(01:46:08):
you know we have so many houses left vacant, public
houses around the city and people wanting houses. Hi Graham,
someone should tell those losers buying their gas from Norway
that Australia gives away gas for free. How stupid?

Speaker 6 (01:46:21):
Are they?

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Good on you?

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
Len?

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
After one this afternoon, it's Leith Forest. He has waltzed
into the.

Speaker 9 (01:46:26):
Studios speaking a stupid which I wasn't. I thought that
was going to be your segue. That would be as
understandable as if I've had a thought overnight.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
That can be dangerous. It can be dangerous.

Speaker 9 (01:46:39):
Do you think there's any way, shape or form that
the AFL cancel Snoop dog.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Ah contractorally they might find themselves in a tight mine?
Were speaking more increasingly embarrassing that question. We'll speak to
a music journalist about that after one o'clock. I just
had that thought last night. So you know, traditionally when
the AFL Grand Final hit town, it's a big cellar.
It's a Wednesday or a Thursday before the big game.
Katy Perry's on the MCG and she's handballing with Gil McGlaughlin.

(01:47:06):
Or here's Meete Loaf and he's Robbie Williams. Snoop Dogg's
going to be on the MCG on the Wednesday or
the Thursday, and he's going to get hammered by homophobic
type questions. Yeah, will Andrew Dhillan be their handballing.

Speaker 9 (01:47:19):
I just don't think that happens. So I wonder you're right.
Maybe there's contractual issues behind it, but it's the first
time that I can remember where there's a negativity before
the entertainment's even happened. Yeah, what kind of reaction does
he get at the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
Well, it's interesting take aside the homophobic aspect of it
and his criminal background and everything else, it's just his
style of music. Because the average football goer that goes
to the MCG that will pack out the MCG, I
would say maybe fifteen percent would be Snoop Dogg fans,
and that's probably being pretty generous. Might be generous. Yeah,

(01:47:56):
And so I don't quite understand why the need for
an entertainer who is Katy Perry or Robbie Williams got
far broader appeal musically.

Speaker 9 (01:48:06):
And traditionally in his historically who we love the seekers,
you know, we love Judith Durham, we love Julie Andrews,
Julie Anthony, we love all of these kind of more
heritage acts if you like, because there's an older demographic
that the kids know, but it's traditionally a sort of
middle of older aged audience. Now all of a sudden,

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you've got a gangster rapper. It's just it's an unusual
I don't think they've read the room very well, the IFL,
and it's just well, it's not mainstream music, it's humble.
And there is then to come out on Andrew Dillon
and said, oh, he's forty million supporters and he performed
at the Super Bowl, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Yes he did, but do.

Speaker 9 (01:48:45):
You know bad PR is bad pr? Does the AFL
cut their losses now and say, look, we're probably signed him,
we will probably torture a couple of million, but do
we get someone who's more feel good? Is it a
great representation of our country, which should be the showcase
of Australian sport with a controversial overseas figure.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
I would like to also know inside the AFL what
is the reaction, particularly in the AFLW, because the misogynist
views of Snoop Dogg are well known and well reported
and I don't think they'd be received too well by
both sexes. But in the AFLW, I'm sure they've been
feeling fairly strong visas.

Speaker 9 (01:49:25):
So we speak about that after one o'clock. Could there
be a possibility that they pull the pin on that?
On a lighter note and a much happier a little
bit of culture on the show today, the State Opera
a're going to drop by because the Magical Flute is coming.
You're an opera fan, I'm going to change your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Then after three o'clock. Oh look, I'm me too. I'm
open to you. Know, something's good. It's good. It's like
a good wine. I don't know much about it, but
if it tastes good, I like it. I can't tell
you why.

Speaker 9 (01:49:53):
So we'll discuss that. And last night there was the
big media premiere. Tonight and today right now for everyone else,
a great new Australian film called Kangarawaland is in cinemas
and the star of that is Eric Thompson, and he
will also be on the show today to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Does he still live in South of Stradia.

Speaker 9 (01:50:10):
Not anymore quite a time. He now lives in Tasmania.
So but one of the great of Australian stage. And
so he's here and I think it's a great showcase internationally.
It's one of those films where I think when people
see the landscape. It could have that effect of all,
let's go to K. This looks like a beautiful spot
which I have sadly and embarrassingly never been to.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
You've got to go. It is something special, and it's
a great feeling when you when you're dropping to K.
I fly there or I haven't got across on the ferry.
Old flown across there, yep, but you really you feel
like you're on on island. Yeah, big and all as
it is, that's something special. So it's got to go
in cinemas as of right now and speaking, you've got
to go, We've got to go. We just got the
wind up kind of that old hook that used to

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come in those TV shows and there he goes out
the door at one o'clock. That's it from us back tomorrow.