Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 25 July 2025 - Mornings with Graeme Goodings

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Welcome to a gloomy that's not the only
word for it at the moment, and wet Friday morning.
Hope we find you well and hope we find you
keeping dry where we reach the end of the week.
Lots to talk about eight double two to three double doublo.
If you want to contribute to the show today. The
doctor's pay dispute continues. We'll take a look at where

(00:21):
that is at will speak with Bennadette Mulholland from the
Salaried Medical Officers Association Bedford Industries. This is a very
disturbing and distressing story. It's as straight A's second largest
employer for people with disability. I think about fourteen hundred
people I employ, and they've said that from Sunday they

(00:42):
will have to go into voluntary administration. Emergency talks are
being underway, certainly at the state level with the Premier.
Mark Butler's had something to say. We'll take a look
at that and we will talk to people impacted, those
closely involved. In fact, if you've worked at some time
at Bedford, you're currently working there, or I have worked

(01:03):
there in the past, or you have relatives and friends
that have worked there, give us a call, tell us
what impact it is having liked to hear from you.
Eight double two three double oh is the number. There
are more than four hundred thousand Australians currently living with dementia.
That number is expected to double by twenty fifty. So
what's being done? Are we any closer to finding a cure?

(01:24):
We'll speak with Professor Henry Bradhati about that. Some sad
news from across the waters, Sir, with the death of
one of the larger than life characters, a WWE Hall
of Famer Hulk Hogan, passed away overnight. He's recognized as
one of pop cultures one of the most recognizable figures.

(01:46):
He came to Australia. I don't think he ever came
to Adelaide. You'll let me know if that's the case.
I know he came here with WWE, to Melbourne, to
Sydney and to Perth. While he was here, he actually
took in an AFL game and was absolutely astonished at
the game. He said, this is way more interesting than
a NFL. He said, these blogs would be too much

(02:06):
for me. So Hulk Hogan. Memories of Hulk Hogan. Have
you ever seen Hulk Hogan in any shape or form
would you like to have Did that swing you towards
liking wrestling or did it turn you the other way
and turn you away from wrestling. Let's know reminiscing about
Hulk Hogan this morning. If you go into the footy

(02:27):
tomorrow night, the Showdown Showdown fifty eight, be careful if
you normally park in that Northern Parklands Park car park,
it will be closed because of the inclement weather, so
you'll need to find alternative parking or alternative transport. We'll
talk more about the Showdown. We're going to, in fact,
have a chat with Showdown medallists Port Adelaid's Darren Mead

(02:50):
and Adelaide Crows Brett James, who were inaugural Showdown medallists,
their memories of the Showdown, what it means to their clubs,
what it means to football in general, and is it
the best? Is it the best confrontation in foot Is
it the best clash? Has it usurped other AFL games? Clashes?

(03:12):
Collingwood Carlton and Melbourne Collingwood way back in the early days,
Richmond Carlton, I think the Crows showdown with Port is
right up there, if not the best, certainly in this
town it's way ahead. Also on the show today, how
generations differ over time? Now, what generation are you from?

(03:33):
Are you a baby Boomer or a Gen X or
where do you actually fit in? And have you noticed
that there is a very very big difference a divide
between the generations. We're going to speak to an expert
in the area to say or see why there is
such a difference from Gen Z. There was a silent
generation before the Baby boomers. Do we have any listeners

(03:55):
from the silent generation? Typically by name? They probably would
want a phone up Baby boomers. Well, you're certainly welcome
to phone up Gen x's millenniums and the rest the
generation differences. Your thoughts about that, I'd like to hear them.
It's an ossie tradition. It's been an assie tradition at
the bar, drink up boys, my shout, and you buy

(04:17):
around for your mates, knowing that after you've finished it'll
be someone else's turn. Well, that seems to be changing
to some degree, particularly when you're going for a coffee.
What's the drill going to the coffee shop? If you're
going there with a mate, do you say, don't worry,
I'll get this one, hoping that I'll get the next one.
Audio go Dutch as we used to call it. What

(04:38):
is the drill? What is the etiquette when it comes
to buying coffee with your friends? Do you just hope
that the other person will buy and suck it up?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Double two to three double oh is the number to ring.
The SA Caravan and Camping sale is on at the
Adelaide Showgrounds this weekend. I know when I drive along
past the airport and that huge new is it Jaco?
It's Jaco? I think the caravan display there. I always
sort of think, wow, gee, wouldn't it be nice hitch

(05:08):
up a caravan and head off around Astrada. Done a
little bit of caravanning over the years, way way back.
The last time was a trip to the Flinders Rangers,
which was an eye opener for me. I had a
Ford Fairlane V eight, very powerful car, but it struggled.
Its struggled. I found out that there were limitations with
the car, probably needed a service or two and the
engine wasn't performing the way it should have been. But

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at the caravan side you can find out all about that.
But have you circumnavigated Astrada. Are you on the road
at the moment, Let's know where you are. If you
are from Adelaide south Theastrada and you're out caravanning, doing
the great Aussie dream of caravanning around the nation, and
you regularly tune into five double A, you stream five
double A from the app wherever you are, give us

(05:52):
a call, tell us how it's going. Is it all
you expected it to be? That is somewhat I would
have to say a worry if I set off or
we set off to go around Australia thinking, you know,
for the next four months, three months, whatever it be,
this is going to be fantastic, and you set off
on the first few days, Yeah, getting used to it.
The second week or this is good? Third week, okakay right,

(06:12):
fourth week? Not so sure? Fifth week, dear idea, we're
a long way from home. Have you ever done that
on a caravan trip? Realized that all of a sudden,
maybe this wasn't such a good idea. Tell us your story.
Love to hear from you. Eight double two to three
double O. Doubler being Friday, will try and keep it
light and bright where we can, But of course we'll

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tackle the stories that need to be spoken about. Eight
double two three double o double or you can text
zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. Well,
it's going to go down as one of the most
powerful takedowns in federal politics. It started with a respectful
discussion on the Welcome to Country in the Senate, both
sides of the argument being discussed. The fiery stars came

(06:55):
after One Nation leader Pauline Hansen led a protest from
her party to turn their backs on the Country ceremony
during the opening of the parliament on Tuesday. Now, that
prompted a debate in the Senate which was well to
be reasonable, It was measured, it was respectful and well
reasoned by all parties. One of the speakers was Indigenous
Senator Jacina napanjinber Price.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
If you speak up against it, if you mention it,
you are painted as a racist or somebody who is
a coconut, or somebody who was a traitor. Imagine if
we treated every single racial group in this manner in
this country. It's horrendous. And it begins with the virtue signaling.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well. After the Indigenous senator spoke, Foreign Minister Penny Wong
launched into firstly a rebuke of Pauline Hansen, and then
urged Senator Price to heed the words of Liberal leader
Susan Lee, who is more supportive of acknowledgment of country ceremonies.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Decency and respect cost us nothing. And if you want
to see what grace and respect look like, perhaps remember
what Senator McCarthy said just a few moments ago.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, those comments from Senator Wong were enough for the
Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Mikayla Cash to launch a tirade.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
But I can tell you do not ever demean anybody.
Senator just sin to Nampa jimper Price her mother's story
Best Price. I suggest you all read it. A woman
walking through the desert was her mother who had her
baby between her legs under a tree. She picked up

(08:37):
that baby, She'd cut the umbilical cord, and she kept walking.
I suggest you read.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
The story of Best Price before you ever come in
here and cast dispersions or tell us Senator Wong to
respect other words, I will stand by and respect Senator
just sent to Nampa Jimper Price, whoever great day has
lived and breath reconciliation in this country. Her father is

(09:05):
white her mother is.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
Black, So please don't ever come into this place again
and pontificate to us like you've just done.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Wow. Powerful, it's cop that Penny Wong shadow Foreign Minister
Michaulia Cash. After that, she spoke to Sky News saying
that she will defend Senator Price and the right for
her to voice her opinion every single day of the week. Powerful,
powerful language coming out of the Senate. Eight double two three,
double o double the number to ring if you have

(09:39):
a comment, would love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Five double A Mornings with gram Goodings.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Nineteen past nine, five double A on a gloomy Friday morning.
Hope we find you well, Hope we find you inside.
Hope we find you dry. And if you've got to
get her on the roads today, be mindful. It's very
very wet. Do I need to tell you that? Surely
not following on while I was just playing out of
the Senate where Penny Wong was taking the task for

(10:05):
her comments regarding just into Nampigen, but Price from the
text line Senator Cash is one hundred percent correct. The
vile Wong has the nerve to lecture on respect. Also,
Wang and Price, both of mixed race backgrounds. But Wong
grew up in middle class privilege, while Price clearly did not.
Sounds like a class war disguised as a race war.

(10:26):
And Dave em says, give that lady a medal. Mackay
the cash Australia stands and applauds your speech at last,
a politician with real guts. Good on you, Brett. That
would be the most passionate speech that I've heard in
Parliament for a long time. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Has there been a speech from any politician parliamentarian in

(10:46):
recent memory that has come with more passion and belief
in feeling than that? If you know of one, let
us know, give us a call eight double two three
double oh double low. Well. Hopes of averting a public
doctor strike rest on another meeting on Monday after talks
broke down again yesterday. The Essay. Salaried Medical Officers Association
has been campaigning for a ten percent per year pay

(11:08):
rise over three years, while the government has offered three
point five percent. Joining us now as sasmo A Chief
Industrial Officer. Bernadette Mulholland, Bernadette, good morning to.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
You, Good morning Graham.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
So what was the outcome of the talks yesterday.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Look, those talks will continue on We've ruled out a
full day for Monday to continue on those discussions. We've
clearly articulated to the government negotiators that there's a willingness
for us to compromise on the ten percent annually and

(11:41):
so that's been started to be reflected in those discussions.
But at the same time we're also thinking the government
to also compromise on their payoffer. So that's one of
the issues that currently stands at the moment. The other issue,
of course, is around ensuring that we've got medical works
was planning in place for the future in our public

(12:04):
hospital systems. Is clearly known to us that the employer
is unsure how many doctors they have per hospital service,
and we want to clear that up and have some
really good processes in place so we know the amount
of doctors that we've got in our hospitals and in
particular services, and how many more we might need to

(12:24):
make sure that we can address things like fatigue and
burn out that we're in the Essay Health Medical Officer
Wellbeing Report.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
The feeling in the community is that we're not against
younger doctors in the system who are really struggling to
get a reasonable pay rise. It's at the other end
of the scale when we're talking three hundred thousand plus
where people are saying, you know, these thirty percent claims
are outrageous. How do you address that?

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Yeah, look, and that's certainly what we're listening to in
terms of both our doctors are also reflecting on that
and are wanting us to focus on our junior medical workforce,
but at the same time recognizing maybe a lower pay
increase for our more senior doctors. So we have articular

(13:13):
later that many times we continue to hear a government
spokespeople saying that what we're still claiming is the ten
percent that's actually not accurate. We're very happy to compromise,
particularly around the more well paid senior doctors, but at
the same time recognizing that our junior doctors are at
the near bottom of the scale and we need to

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ensure that we improve their pay increase substantially.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Bnnadette. We certainly hope it will be resolved on Monday.
That's Bernadette moul Holiday says Salaried Medical Officers Association with
the latest Stanley Doctor's Papers bul not resolved yesterday but
a full day has been set aside on Monday. Let's
hope there will be a resolution. Well, probably the biggest
story of the day in the Shock was that the
straight second largest employer for people with the disability, Bedford,

(14:01):
is just a day away or days away from entering
voluntary administration. Donna Darlington, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (14:08):
Oh, good morning, Look, thank you so much for having me,
and thank you for being a voice to a lot
of people. Your station has just done so much. Anyway,
I'd like to share that I am very, very concerned
for the stake here with this news regarding Bedford is
this is terrible. The amount of people that are related

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to that, to the services that have been provided and
that are continued to be provided by some of our
most vulnerable in the community, it will be horrific the
fallout if it has to close and that all of
these people are laid off. It's just going to be
a ripple effect that is a silent tynomy of just

(14:53):
not good proportions.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Donna, what's your connection with Bedford?

Speaker 8 (14:57):
Look, I've been I've been working disability off and on
over my life and just knowing I've still got friends
and other people that work in that sector. And yeah,
just almost South Australian girls who believes in self as
striving services and so yeah, just that's it.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, Look, thank you Donna for your your heartfelt support
for Bedford. We there's not a person that wouldn't hope
that it has resolved and resolved positively. There is a
concern of course that you know how much money, taxpayer
money needs to be put forward, but we certainly hope
there is a resolution of the crisis at Bedford Industries,
I mean being forced into voluntary administration. Fourteen one hundred

(15:43):
people across the state are impacted. It's the second largest
employer for people with a disability in the nation and
doing significant work. I remember going out to Bedford Industries
several times many years ago and seeing the wonderful, wonderful
work they do and the people working there. What being
able to go to work on a daily basis means
for them, the fact that they are able to contribute

(16:05):
to socialize, have a wonderful life or wonderful existence. So
if Bedford is under threat, I think it is something
that we should all be concerned about. Pat, good morning
to you.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
I get a Graham. Yeah, I'll let us talk about
Senator Wong and also bed But Senator Wong people like
her really give me the pip. Now, I'm indigenous, right,
My people go back to Boridertown years but long, a
long time back. When you look at me, I'm as
wide as a driven snow. What the Labor Party do
and it's a toxic lift. Like Wong, they use speech

(16:38):
as a club to shut people up and to force.

Speaker 10 (16:41):
The narrative and the control people.

Speaker 9 (16:42):
If any religious group was doing this to be held
a play. That's my first comment. So good on the
senator for shut and down Wong. I've had firstonal experience
with Wong. She's a condescending, nasty person at times. The
second thing is Bedford. That's my heart got out to
those people and any one who works there. But I

(17:03):
don't want to be on anyone's parred. But it's not
just Bedford that are in financial trouble. There's every business
and household in this state is doing it up. Sure,
what's the cost of living and that's the big boogeyman
in the room. But the state government he is doing
nothing to address it, only making it worse. Gram you
have a lovely day.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Good on your pattern. Thanks for your comments, most appreciated. NEI,
we'll dig further into the crisis that is settling on
Bedford industries. So if you're listening to Breakfast with David
and Will this morning, they spoke with all the key
partners of Myron Mann, the Bedford CEO, Janet Miller, the
chairperson at Bedford Health, Minister Mark Butler, and later the

(17:43):
Premiere and we'll encapsulate that shortly and hear from people
very close to the cold face. As I said, if
you have contact worked at Bedford, know of people that
have worked there or benefited. Are you a business that
uses Bedford services, we'd love to hear from you. Give
us a call eight double two three double oh, doubloh
back shorty five double A.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Twenty eight to ten five double A This Friday morning.
We had a good week, hope you have you're looking
forward to the weekend. Got to be a wet one,
but still we've had a very very dry six months
so far and this is barely catching up. Well. When
the rain comes through, we just hope that it goes
to our farming region. So if you are on the

(18:29):
farming regions that have been decimated by the drought. Let
us know the impact. I know this rain is probably
three months too late. Is it enough? Is it going
to help? And where does that leave you? Give us
call let's know, because we are still thinking of you.
You know a lot of people once it rains are well.
The farmers are right now and the rain's falling. But
of course you've got a lot of ground to make up,
so our thoughts are still with you. Eight double two

(18:51):
three double low double oh is the number to ring
regarding the stash when the Kavier Cash got to agree.
When the Kria Cash, Penny Wong picked on the wrong
personage you Center Price, trying to shame her as being
disrespectful racist. Penny Wong has been shaming people to suit
her political narrative since she came into politics. Morten Graham
in relation to generational differences, I'm in my sixties, my

(19:14):
children their thirties. Differences I see as I didn't get
the government support or wage as younger people received today.
Less reliance and mental toughness, well confronting challenges or wild
confronting challenges, poorer planning and financial and personal lives, and
higher expectations from parents and government to fill their gaps
softer discipline action towards their children. Thank you for that, Tony. Yeah,

(19:36):
we're going to take a look at the generational differences
and we'll speak to an expert about that. But whether
you be from the silent generational gen X, or the
Millennium generation or the Baby Boomers, tell us your perspective
on your generation and other generations around you. Brett says,
such hate against Wong. She said nothing wrong, but people

(19:57):
are always waiting to pile on her. Thank you for that, Brett. Well,
the big story of the day is, no doubt what's
happening with Bedford Industries facing going into voluntary administration. We
really need to sort of background it, and the first
announcement came from the Bedford CEO yesterday, Mara and Man.

Speaker 11 (20:15):
While we continue to remain open to conversations with potential
financial partners, it remains likely that Bedford willed intervoluntary administration
has of Monday morning, and it has not lost on
me the vast personal impact this news will have across
our community and the fourteen hundred clients we directly support
each day. It is a difficult time for.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Everyone well, this morning on Breakfast with David and Will,
Bedford chairperson Janet Miller spoke there are a.

Speaker 12 (20:43):
Bunch of issues at play. We're a very large, very
very large business with twenty two sites across the state.
We offer a lot of services to people with disability.
So absolutely it's not a simple business. It's a very
complex business. So as I've mentioned to you, we have

(21:04):
net assets, we have a really strong plan. We have
found ourselves in a period of illoquidity. We are seeking
support from the statement federal government to get us through
that period of illiquidity and then we believe that we
can get back on with our plan. And we still
believe in the plan. We believe it's a Bible plan
for the future of Bedford.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So Bedford seeking support from the federal and state governments.
This is what Federal Health Minister Mark Butler had to say.

Speaker 13 (21:31):
This is a really deeply worrying situation just generally, but
particularly for people of South Australia who's known Bedford as
an icon for eighty years. They've got themselves into a
deeply serious financial position. And I know that at a
national level, big organizations that support people with off quite

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complex disability are talking to us about the exact nature
of funding that they received. And I think that's a
legitimate discussion that I'm having with a number of those
very big providers. But that doesn't explain the position that
that's got itself into.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
So no suggestion of support as yet. But what about
on the state level. The Premier spoke with David and Will.

Speaker 14 (22:14):
But I am meeting with Bedford management again this morning.
We've already had obviously a number of meetings going back
sometime in fact, we've had Treasury officials along with the
treasure and others working on this going back to even
through to May, my record show.

Speaker 15 (22:30):
So look, this has.

Speaker 14 (22:31):
Been a situation we've had a keen eye on. It
is complicated, as others have sort of already spoken about
on your program this morning. I guess you know my
interest here exclusively the typeespool you've already had calling in
who work at Bedford, the people in the supported accommodation
and sector. We're confident that that issue will be resolved

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and corrected relatively quickly because there are other service providers,
but in regards to people that work at Bedford, the
supported wage employees, Bedford is such a dominant supplier of
those services in our state that we as a state
come and have stepped in and we have put money
on the table because I don't want to see those
people losing that opportunity to experience all the dignity that

(23:13):
work can provide.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So we actually just have to wait and see whether
the voluntary administration will happen over the weekend, what happens
on Monday, stay tuned for further developments. But they're the
people that have spoken out about it. But what about
people at the coal face? Denise as a son that
uses Bedford, she joined us. Now Denise, good.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Morning to you, Good morning.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Tell us the story about Bedford as it impacts your family.

Speaker 16 (23:40):
Yes, well, my son and his wife and who are
both down synrom people they work at Bedford. And it's
not the money we receive, because that's very little, but
it's the pride of going to work and the social illness.
And the other thing is I support bowlers, tempin bowlers,

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and thirty six of them all work at Bedford. And
I've had several checks this morning saying they can't come
to bowling on Saturday because they won't have any money.
They've got to look after what they've got.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Oh right, so they don't know if they're going to
get another paypacket or not.

Speaker 16 (24:21):
Well, that's right, there's been no mention they My real
right is how it's all been done.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So what nobody received any notice up until the last
twenty four hours.

Speaker 16 (24:35):
Well no, nothing. We received a letter today, but the
disabled themselves got told as they left, those that were working,
and not everybody works on a Thursday, and they all
have different days in different hours with their contracts, and
those that were told as they left, and not all

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of them understood it, so they don't understand they're disabled.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, so this should have unfolded over time and been
in a far more caring and considered matter, because they
suggest there'll be a lot of Bedford workers who'll be
waking up this morning and hearing on five double A
that they may not have a job come Monday.

Speaker 16 (25:20):
That's exactly right. But you know, a couple of my
techs were if they closed their doors. You know, what
do I do? The pension puts the food on the
table and pays the rent and the electricity. But that's
all it does. It doesn't do anything else. The money
they earn at Bedford pays for them to have a
lifestyle of some kind, at least a competitive sport on

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a Saturday like the bowlers, do you know? And what
are they going to do for that? Five percent of
the people will be lucky enough to get employed by
the community.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So well, what is your son feeling about it now?
Has he taken it in? Is he able to absorb
the impact of it all?

Speaker 17 (26:04):
Right?

Speaker 16 (26:04):
He doesn't understand it at all because he worked there
for twenty five years. His wife wanted to change and
go to Rana, but.

Speaker 15 (26:16):
He wouldn't go.

Speaker 16 (26:17):
He wanted to get his twenty five year pins and
you know, he loves Bedford and the people there. The
only thing he doesn't love is Mondays because you gets
teased about footy.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
But I mean it's isn't it? Denisse important on so
many levels that the people working at Bedford, you know,
they've got a purpose to get up in the morning,
they've got the camaraderie. They earned some money, not a
lot of money, but they earn money, and they it's
a social environment which just helps them deal with life
and enjoy life.

Speaker 16 (26:51):
Yeah, you're perfectly right, because not everybody. Some of them
are really good and Bedford has been excellent in the
programs they've put up. They've lent them money to start
their own businesses, making biscuits and dog bows and painting signs,
all kinds of things. And the renewal that Bedford want

(27:14):
is a really good pie in the sky as opposed
to supported ed employment in that it allows them to
run a business that the community buys from. But like
all businesses, they're not easy to run in today's world,
and with twenty two of them all different. By making

(27:38):
a profit, they can pay them a base wage instead
of three dollars an hour.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Denise, thank you so much for telling us your story.
All the best to your son and his wife. Hoping
that this matter will be resolved and it will be
business as usual.

Speaker 18 (27:51):
Tracy, good morning, Hi, Thanks Graham for speaking to me.
Probably Denise has probably said a lot of stuff that
I'm going to say. We've got a forty year old
sone and we've been advocating for him for forty years.
Yesterday they were he worked at Bedford Ranella that was
only bought bought by Bedford twelve months ago from Minda.

(28:15):
At two thirty yesterday, the employees were caught into a
room into the lamps room and Todd the news and
given a letter. Now, these are people with varying disabilities
that some probably understood and others don't.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
It does seem quite insensitive.

Speaker 18 (28:32):
And at that level, Oh, that's right, and apparently it's
been sort of on the books for a little while
what we're hearing from, you know, government and everything. But
to just do it so badly to people that don't
all understand.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It is different. It is different than a general workplace
where people don't have any intellectual handicaps and so forth.
And this, I mean, this is a particularly sitive area.
And Bedford have done a wonderful, wonderful job for many,
many years. But as you say that, not everyone who
works at Bedford can fully appreciate the gravity of the

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situation or what's happening.

Speaker 18 (29:14):
Yeah, one hundred percent. He you know, for us, it's
so important that he has a purpose, purpose every day
to get up and go to work. He doesn't say
I don't want to go to work today. They're all
just happy to go to work. They have friendships and
groups and they all, you know, they're laughing and smiling

(29:35):
and enjoying doing work.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
So what's his level of understanding of what is happening
at the moment.

Speaker 18 (29:42):
He's a pretty high level of understanding, but he has
a lot of anxiety and like last night, he was
fine for a while and then oh mam, what's going
to happen? I don't know. Do I have a job
on Monday? Do I go to work? I don't know
what I'm going to do? What am I going to
do with my time? So and the money isn't the issue,
like they're on a minimal way, you know, And it's

(30:07):
just and we're lucky that our son has a lot
of support, like we fully support him and our friends
and or do as well. But what about some people
that have very minimal support out there?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, look, I wish I could flick a switch and
make it, make it right, Tracy, And let's hope. You know,
it's not about necessarily the government throwing money at it,
but we need to find a resolution to it. So Tracy,
all of us, to your son, to all those workers
at Bedford Industries, voluntary administration nominated for Sunday. Let's hope

(30:44):
the government can intervene and at least stay that voluntary
administration or Bedford can keep operating at least until the
matter can be resolved. Michelle Lenzik, Shadow Minister for Human Services,
are called in. Michelle, good morning, Good morning. What would
you like to add to the discussion.

Speaker 19 (31:02):
Well, look, best, it is too important to fail, and
I think if we compare it to other industries where
governments are stumped up hundreds of millions of dollars, my
understanding is the amount that is required is less than
ten million dollars for fourteen hundred people, which is more
than the number of people who are employed through WYALA.
So as we've heard from Leanne and Tracy, I mean

(31:26):
this is this is more than just about jobs as well.
It's about all the social connections that people who work
at Bedford have. It's their community, it's their networks, it's
what are they going to do during the day. So
I think it's incredibly shortsighted if Peter Mellanawskis is not
about this for the last two months. Why it's taken

(31:46):
you so long and we're at the eleventh hour before
you know he's even taking this issue seriously for you know,
ten million dollars to save Bedford from going into administration
after eighty years is just to underpin what it's been doing,
which is from my understanding, been trying to make itself

(32:07):
more self sufficient and less dependent on government money going forward.
So it's got great big new building in Salisbury that's
about to open and start generating money. If it's allowed
to fail, well that then becomes an asset that might
be sold for what purpose? And let's not forget that.

(32:28):
You know, Bedford is South Australia's largest disability employment provider,
so you know, whatever alternatives for people. I don't think
there are other employment providers in South Australia who are
big enough to take all of this on, and that
will just be catastrophic for the people who rely on
Bedford to provide employment services.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, it's over to the Premier. Michelle Lensick, Shadow Minister
for Human Services, is called in on the situation at Bedford.
If you have a story about Bedford, good, bad, or
in different let us know. If you've been involved in
Bedford at any level. Maybe you are a business who
uses Bedford services, how have you found them, has it
worked for you? Tell us the stories and if you
have someone in the family that has worked in the

(33:12):
past at Bedford or is working at the moment, and
is struggling to come to terms with what is happening.
Give us a call eight double two to three, double O,
DOUBLEO Back in a moment, five double.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Lay Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Over the past week, South the Stradia's politics has been
dominated by a devastating toxic a little bloom off the
state's coast. Well that was the start of the week.
It wasn't to be the end. Then there's the doctor's
pay dispute, then Bedford Industries. What a week in politics?
Joining us now the Advertiser Editor at Large, Paul Starek, Paul,
good morning to you.

Speaker 20 (33:42):
Good thanks.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Where do we start? I think there's so much happening
at s Morga's board.

Speaker 20 (33:47):
Yeah, it's interesting. I was on a fortnight's leave at
a similar time to the premiere, and so I returned
on Monday from leave as well, and I went to
Melbourne to watch the Crows beat the bulldof and it
was terrific. And I've been really struck by the slight

(34:08):
fee change for one of a bad pun in the
political climate over that period. And clearly the main contributor
is the extent to which the algal bloom crisis.

Speaker 10 (34:21):
Has taken hold over that time.

Speaker 20 (34:24):
I think, well, I'm sure initially that the powers that
be expected to dissipate, and they based that upon scientific advice.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
During the.

Speaker 20 (34:35):
During winter storms and so forth, that hasn't happened. Mass
fish kill across the state. People are understandably alarmed and
feel like there's not enough being done about it.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I mean, there's the federal disrespect and disregard. I mean
we've been hearing stories for some time now that Canberra
had been approached by scientists saying, you know, there's this
oldal bloom, we need to at least look at it,
and Canberra disregard it. Then unfortunate timing the premier was
away at the time that it really hit the fan,
and now people are sort of saying the premier should

(35:08):
have been here. So do you think this has tarnished
the premier somewhat?

Speaker 9 (35:11):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 21 (35:12):
I think that.

Speaker 20 (35:13):
I mean, he's the guy's entitled to take leave, and
I'm not for a moment arguing that he shouldn't have
a leave with his family during a winter break. But
I think that what's and I've written this in my
column for tomorrow Tomorrow's paper. I think it showed it
raises two questions, particularly around the influence of South Australia. Nationally.

(35:39):
We've got four very senior federal cabinet ministers who's been
caught napping on this issue. Mark Butler came to the
party last week and managed to get heard in Canberra
and then also Peter melanowskis is influenced in Canberra, which
we've understood to be quite significant. But on this issue
he remained means at loggerheads with everyone from the Prime

(36:02):
Minister down over whether or not this is a natural disaster,
that being a pertinent point because if it is a
natural disaster, that unlocks more funding beyond the one off
in inverted commons boarding minion that Murray, what unveiled the
environment is to Murray, what federal environment is to Murry?
What unveiled on Monday? You know, reals fly in, fly

(36:26):
out visit.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So I don't think he want any friends.

Speaker 20 (36:29):
No, no, And I understand while I was away there
was all while I was on leave, and obviously the
Premier was on leave as well, but there was quite
the clamor in this state for some federal attention even
just to come and visit and have a look there was. Yeah,

(36:52):
and if that was the best, Senator, what could do
with a quick visit to a beach to some just
there was a ten minute visit.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
To a beach.

Speaker 20 (37:01):
It's hardly an in depth backfinding mission. So I think
it does raise some important questions, not only with the
immediate impact about how we deal with what is clearly
a natural disaster, but in the longer term, both with

(37:22):
the albul bloom, what happens if there's a fish on
beaches over summer. We've got in the paper today some
businesses from York Peninsula talking about how the big downturn
for them already.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yes, it's really impacted tourism and businesses on the York Peninsula.

Speaker 10 (37:39):
That's right.

Speaker 20 (37:40):
And you know, some are comparing it to an underwater
bush buyer, and the state government sort of rejects that,
saying it's more like an underwater drought, which I suppose
is a decent comparison, because you can't you can't sort
of put this out otherwise they clearly would. So it's

(38:00):
like with a drought, what do you do pray for rain?
But in this case, what do you do pray for storms?
That gets rid of it. It's very clear, but I
think there's a real clamor within the state for the government,
state in federal to be doing more, one in terms
of industry assistance, but two in terms of research and

(38:21):
study to work out what the impact are, the science
of it, and work out how we might prevent it
happening again.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Paul, There's one thing that I've noted that Vincentazia, who
has had trouble making any sort of tractional impact, he
couldn't land a glove on the premiere, actually has scored
a few pretty successful blows regarding the algal bloom. And ye,
I agree with you.

Speaker 20 (38:46):
In fact, you've almost aufered my column for me. I've
just no, no, that's cool. I've just finished riding my
column online, made it to day paper, and you know,
I've made exactly that point that mister Tazia and the
Liberals haven't been able to well, as you said, lack lovernment,
but that been galvanized by this issue, I think, and

(39:08):
that's given them a focus, and that's mister TARSI have
made a point that I'm not sure I can repeat
on radio about Murray what needing to get himself down,
and that really cut through get out of his ivory
tower in Brisbone, and he looked like someone who was
reluctant to leave his ivory tower. Certainly, you know, Saidata

(39:32):
what I know, he's quite a He's a decent individual
and a competent minister, but he certainly didn't convey that
on Monday.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Now, you make a good point because I've spoken to
Murray what before and found him to be very affable
and effective. But on this occasion, I think it was
almost like he was forced to come here, and when
he came here, he was not prepared for what he
saw and whether he be overwhelmed. And you know, he
had his set that routine and it didn't really work.

Speaker 20 (40:03):
I've written that he was. I'm giving away all my
column he's but he was. In a previous life, he
was a senior solicitor and he reverted to that role
in terms of the league. Yes, you know he was.
It was very much this is a serious environmental event.

(40:24):
You know, no mention of natural disaster dared pass his lips.
In a way, it reminded me Graham of John Howard
in the with the Stolen Generations and refusing to issue
an apology. You know, you couldn't go anywhere near that,
And he's spoke in very legalistic terms exactly at that time.

(40:46):
And Murry, what reminded reminded me of that watching John
Howard sort of torture himself verbally over that.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, well it didn't sit well with the with the
South of Stad and no probably who you know. Well,
the record shows that they voted labor in strongly. Maybe
a lot of having second thoughts. Look, we've devoted a
bit of time, Paul to the algal bloom and so forth.
Let's move on. What do you make of the doctor's
pay dispute and the way the government's handling it?

Speaker 15 (41:14):
Well?

Speaker 20 (41:15):
I wrote a piece before I went on leave about
about the number and size of enterprise bargaining agreement before
the state governor at the moment did an interview with
the Premier where he made some reasonably controversial comments about
the extent to which the government could afford to meet
these demands. I think it's very interesting. I just observed

(41:38):
that there's been that the doctor's Ambulance and various other
unions are shining a light in recent weeks on conditions
in hospitals and ranting and so forth, escalating their rhetoric
at the same time as entirely coincidentally, I'm sure they
have a pay demands and quite a large pay demand

(42:02):
before the government pay rise. I don't think that makes
the pub test personally. I mean, I think there's a
lot of support for the hard work that medicos do,
and they clearly do work in quite trying circumstances. But
I think that such a large pay rise is not

(42:25):
going to be when if people across the public sit
down and think, well, can we really forward this as taxpayers?
And as I heard pointed out on five double A
yesterday by one caller, there is somewhat of an inconsistency
in the argument when the unions are calling for pointing

(42:46):
out that conditions are bad, there are understaff, yet they
want more money for themselves as opposed to employing more
people and bringing on better conditions and funding better conditions.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Good points.

Speaker 20 (43:02):
So I think there's a few inconsistencies in the argument
that make it a bit hard to with a pay
rise of the size that they're after.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Well, let's hope that it's resolved by Monday. Finally, finally,
and what's been a big week. Of course, the Bedford
blab What do you make of that?

Speaker 20 (43:19):
Again? Another really interesting one. I remember as a child
going up in their peninsula, their family routinely donated to
bedfit industries, and I'm sure many families across the state
Well I have been like that. It seems a great

(43:40):
tragedy that an organization that employs so many people with
disability has had this situation. Before it there were a
lot of questions.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Well, you're taking the weather this morning. It's wet, it's raining,
stay dry if you can. Speaking of staying dry, I
might produce a Sam Dado who's burst into the studio
with some information for.

Speaker 22 (44:08):
Us Morning Graham. Yeah, Andrew cold in just before the news,
anyone who uses Churchill Road, you might be stuck in
some traffic because from Churchill Road city bound from Regency Road,
it's currently closed. So there's a fire on a premises
a few doors down from that intersection, which has caused
officials to shut those roads. Outbound traffic is not impacted

(44:28):
at this stage, but if you're trying to get into
the city on Churchill Road, fine, definitely find an alternative route.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Good on you, Thanks for that, Sam what generation are you?

Speaker 22 (44:35):
By the way, I am the tail end of a millennial,
tail end of a mind. Ail n just sneak in.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Stay tuned for the next story. You'll be very interested
in this. They've been called boomers, gen X, millennials, gen Z.
There was even I think a silent generation. But behind
the labels amazing stories of change, challenge, and influence. Each
generation seems to have left a unique mark on society,
from post war prosperity, civil rights movements, to the digital

(45:02):
and revolution and climate activism. Why do we put labels
on generations? Is there that much of a difference? So
which generation of you? Doctor Dan Woodman is an expert
on changes through the generations. He's from the Uni of Melbourne.
He joins us now, professor.

Speaker 23 (45:16):
Good morning to you, Morning Graham morning.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
So are we also different? Is it a gradual change
over the years or is there a real delineation between
the generations?

Speaker 23 (45:27):
Look in lots of ways, it's more of a gradual change.
So I'm a gen xer, but just you know, on
the usual categorizations on the last year of the gen
x's so I'm probably only a couple of years older
than Sam and in a lot of ways, we'll have
more in common about our experience growing up in Australia

(45:47):
than people who I share a generational label with Generation X.
So where we draw these lines, it's it's kind of arbitrary.
But that doesn't mean that there aren't differences over time,
because anyone who's lived for a few decades will know
that Australia and what it's like to grow up has
definitely changed over time.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
So we know the labels, but can you put a
bit of meat on the bone the differences in the generations.

Speaker 23 (46:13):
Well, one of the main things that's talked about with
a contemporary young generation is that they did grow up
online and that might be affecting the way they socialize
with each other compared to people who maybe grew up offline,
the kind of language they use. That is one difference
that's absolutely real. Like each generation does play around with

(46:34):
the lingo and comes up with new words, sometimes for
the same thing. But we can end up talking past
each other even though there's lots that we have in common,
just because the way we talk and maybe the tools
we use to communicate with each other does change over time.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I mean, there is dramatic changes when you look at
the early stages of the Baby boomers, was a radio
or there was not even television. It's smartphones, mobile phones.
The Internet certainly didn't exist, so people from that generation
have had to learn something totally new, where people from
more recent generations it's always been there.

Speaker 23 (47:10):
Absolutely. Imagine how many might have been listening to us
in the early fifties, Graham, it would have been great.
You know, I got to be talking about how groovy
the show was where today, that's right. You know, maybe
I think the language with gen Z is they might
say the show slaps, but they're probably not listening as
much as there's so many other things out there to

(47:31):
draw their time and their attention, but also shaped a way,
you know, they know about the world and engage in it.
There's going to be different from someone who who's who's
still working out how to log into Facebook.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I just you mentioned words and terminology and being a
baby bimmer. I don't mind admitting it, but you're almost
resentful when some of the sayings that you know, you
grew up with a sort of usurped and frowned upon
by younger generations have gotten no idea what they're talking about.

Speaker 23 (48:03):
That's right, and I think sometimes that's the point, Graham,
that we won't know what they are talking about. But
but that is, it is part of kind of creating
a sense of youth culture, belonging, chatting with your friends
in a language that you do make your own. So
that is, you know, there's been this long history of
older people complaining about the young people these days that

(48:23):
I you know, I think there's there's evidence of the
ancient Greeks complaining about how how surly and disrespectful the
young were. But it is partly just about, you know,
making your own mark on the world, and the language
is the way we do it.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, I mean, and it can lead to some unfortunate
situations because there's there's terms that older people have used
as terms of endearment and younger people take offense, like
the champ. Evidently to younger generation, we used to say, gay, champ,
here you go. Often you'd say that when you didn't
know the person's name or you'd forgot their Name's great, champ,
how you're going? And I'm told it would I be

(48:58):
right saying that champ could be offensive to younger people.

Speaker 23 (49:02):
Look, I think so, but there's always so much nuance
in this because I remember even in my youth, but
even with my friends today, you know, mate calling someone
to mate can go everything from you know, a term
of endearment to you know, a threat to step outside. Yeah,
so there's so much contextual things about how we use language.

(49:23):
But that's it. Like, generational differences are absolutely real. But
if we use a little bit of a kind of
intelligence across the generations, there's lots that we have in
common to if we make a little bit of effort.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
To understand each other, do you think we're being a
little intolerant of each other?

Speaker 23 (49:41):
Look like I was saying this is this is kind
of a grand trend in human history of the generations
rolling their eyes at each other a little bit, And
it's probably just part of what it means for society
to change. But we do probably have some tools that
like the way that clickbait might work on social media

(50:02):
and other things that does maybe encourage this kind of
generational wars language and using generational ideas to bash each
other rather than using them to understand. Okay, you know,
if you grew up in Australia in the sixties and seventies,
you had particular challenges maybe particular opportunities that are different today.

(50:22):
And you know, young people today can understand that, and
older people can also understand that. If we use generations
that way, it's probably okay. A look, you know, a
bit of generational banter can be a bit of fun too,
But we do want to avoid thinking of each other
as kind of aliens that live in different worlds and
we can't talk to each other.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
That's true. I think there's one thing that baby boomers
can be a little bit resentful of. When the Baby
Boomers came through, it was the biggest generation, it was
the new Wave, it was post World War two. They
changed everything. Baby Boomers changed music, They changed the way
we thought about so many things. And all of a sudden,
we're not the biggest generation anymore. We're not the most
influential anymore.

Speaker 23 (51:03):
Like it was a cohort that really did shape Australian
Australian culture, you know, in many ways, and much of it,
you know, in terms of pop culture, I think was
really wonderful. But I guess the young people now would say,
you know, it's our term. You know, as someone who
gets what I'm in with this Generation X category, I'm

(51:24):
kind of happy sometimes that my group seems to be
left out of the generational bashing. We're just kind of
left on our own to argue about, you know, which
ninety nineties music.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Was the best and sixties music was the best.

Speaker 23 (51:37):
I'm sorry, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Now, tell us, professor, what is the current generation?

Speaker 23 (51:45):
So yeah, so we've been with my colleagues. We kind
of track young people from the last few years of
high school as they go through their twenties and thirties,
and like I said, we've found the world change but
also you know, some of the things people want out
of life. It will show a lot of continuity over time.

Speaker 24 (52:05):
But the group we're.

Speaker 23 (52:05):
Following now are part of this gen z cohort, but
they finish on most categorizations around twenty twelve. So the
next group of teenagers will be able to complain about
or try to understand, are currently being called jen Alpha
because we've run out of letters in the alphabet, so

(52:26):
we've gone to the Greek alphabet now.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So how long a term does a generation exist from?
You know, what period to what period or what year
to what year.

Speaker 23 (52:36):
Yeah, so there's different ways of doing it. Some people
want to see evidence, you know, some data that there's
been some big event or change in the way we
do things, you know, like the baby boomers, we're this
big demographic boom of new young people coming through, but
others talk about you know, roughly fifteen to twenty years.
But there's also a whole industry of trying to get

(52:57):
in first and claim that you you've named a new
generation or a new generations emerged. So I guess you
get the consultancy to go in the workplaces and teach
them how to work across the generations. But you know,
also maybe you get you get a call to go
on a radio show talk about generations as well.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
We just all need to live in harmony, whatever generation
we happen to be.

Speaker 23 (53:19):
Yeah, that's right. The way I like to think about
it is we don't want to over exaggerate the differences,
but also we do want to have a little bit
of a generational intelligence where we're a bit forgiving of
maybe these misunderstandings and differences that do really come from
just growing up in a different era.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
That's a really gross comment.

Speaker 23 (53:38):
Professor bad say, thank you, good to chat.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Professor Dan Woodman, Sociologists from the University of Melbourne expressing
our generational differences. He's asim grouse. What do you think? Eight?
Double two three double oh double back Shortley.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Five double A. Mornings with Graham Goodings twenty.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Two past ten five. I think we'll take some calls, Julie, good.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
Morning, good morning grown.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Beautiful weather, wonderful weather with ducks. Isn't that what we
used to say?

Speaker 25 (54:09):
It is actually nice to see the rain, and especially
if it's going to be statewide. A couple of comments Graham. Firstly,
I will go to the albul glue Murry. What's making
his delightful appearance here? I'm sure he enjoyed himself too little,

(54:31):
too late. And I've been trying to get onto the
Beckie show all week and I haven't been able to
get on. If Albow living on his wristtop, sorry, his
cliff top mansion with the sea beneath him, sitting out
there on a Sunday having his fish and chips. If
he had the lovely smell of dead fish, rotting fish,

(54:53):
dolphins and everything will sting up disturbing his lovely lunch
with Jody in Toto. I'm sure something that would have
been done.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Juliet would have been a natural disaster, it would be.

Speaker 25 (55:05):
It would be great because we got for bid. We
can't upsett our bows, lunch and Toto. I'm sure it
wouldn't like come to be disturbed with that, you know,
I smelly fish too little, too late. I think it's
disgusting the way the Fed and State have handled it,
and also with the situation at Bedford at the moment.

(55:29):
If our bow can spend or give six hundred million
dollars over ten years to a rugby team for PNG,
I think our situation at home with Bedford, for those
wonderful people that go to Bedford and put in you know,
work there, that the residents of Bedford, I think it's

(55:50):
more deserving that it goes to somebody like that. I
just think they don't have their priorities in order. Our
Bow would rather spend his money offshore elsewhere and not
worry about the residence of his own country.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah. Look, I think Julie, just before you go on, Julia,
I think the priority is let's get Bedford up, but
there could be other issues underlying issues that need to
be fixed. For the first issue of the day is
to make sure Bedford continues operating. So the money needed
just to keep it operating.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Now.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
If there are administration issues that need to be fixed, fine,
but at the moment, let's just keep it open.

Speaker 25 (56:24):
Yes exactly, And look I agree with that, but the
amount of money that he does spend off shan. I
know sometimes they have to do it, but six hundred
million dollars on a rugby team over ten years, that
is insane when you have people in your own country
that are on the bones of their backside, and people
sleeping intents and in.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Doorways, no argument, no argument.

Speaker 25 (56:48):
And Michaulia Cash is takedown of Penny Wong. It's the
best I have heard for a considerable amount of time,
and it'll be a great ring tone on my phone.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well, I'm going to play it when I get a
bit of time a little bit later in the morning,
So keep listening. I will do for those who didn't
hear it. Mikayla Cash launching an onslaught on Penny Wong
who was playing the school mum, reprimanding just enter nap
and Gin Price who is against the welcome to Country
and acknowledgment to country and expressed quite reasonably in parliament

(57:23):
why she was against it, and Penny Wong tried to
give her a slap on the wrist. Well, Michaylia Cash
came out all guns blaring and blazing. So Julie, thanks
for your call and be listening. We'll hear from Mikayla
Cash a little bit later in the morning. Diane, good
morning to you.

Speaker 26 (57:38):
Oh good morning Graham. Always nice to hear you on
the radio. Thank you, Graham. I agree with Julie. We've
got to keep Bedford open, like you said, And you
know that's the first thing to look at. What are
the CEOs that are running it, what sort of money
are they on because you know, like ten twenty years ago,
people took on those jobs because they really care. But

(58:00):
nowadays it's all about the dollar. And I think that's
the first thing you go look at. If they're earning
millions of dollars and the vulnerable people are going without,
there's something there's something very very wrong.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I take your point, Diane, but we need to be
a bit careful here before building into that area. But
I do take your point.

Speaker 26 (58:18):
And then the other thing with Mikayla Cash, and how
good with that? And you're going to remember, Graham, Penny
Wong was one of the mean girls, you know, with
that kitchener. You know, she just went for her and
it was just absolutely shocking and we're all sick of it.
Like I said before I went to the Melbourne Cup
last year, I was welcomed on the plane's Country. I

(58:38):
was welcomed on the shuttle, I was welcomed on the
bloody tramp. And then when I got to the hotel,
just to absolutely push me over the edge, they welcomed
me to country, into this hotel that we stayed in
the Melbourne And this was all. This was all before
twelve o'clock at lunchtime. I could not believe it. Talk
about virtue singer and that's all Penny Wong's doing.

Speaker 15 (58:59):
It's all virtuous.

Speaker 26 (59:00):
She's acting goodie two shoes. I don't think she believes
a word of it. I think she thinks it sounds good,
it looks good and everything. But you know, ten years ago,
none of us were doing welcome to Country and we're
all quite happy. I mean to say, this racist card
that they pull out all the time, it is just ridiculous.
I mean, so we're not racist. I believe in live
and let live, and I think most Australians do.

Speaker 10 (59:19):
We're all well.

Speaker 26 (59:20):
Past that now. It's a bit like the you know,
same sex marriage.

Speaker 21 (59:25):
Who cares?

Speaker 26 (59:26):
You know, let people live long as they're good, good people.
Who cares? You know, I don't care what color they are,
long as they're good people.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Good on you, Diana, thanks very much for that. I
think we can squeeze in one more call before headlines. Elizabeth.

Speaker 17 (59:38):
Yes, look there's six hundred thousand being given to a
man to run green hardra Jung. That doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
But he's not doing that now. He's sort of moved
into another area. But yeah, that's what he was initial role.

Speaker 17 (59:53):
Was getting six hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yes, he's still getting in.

Speaker 17 (01:00:00):
I know people that have been at Bedford for their
whole lives, their parents are dead now and if that
organization doesn't exist, those those eldly people now are absolutely lost.
It is the most fantastic organization that anybody could ever

(01:00:21):
have thought could be produced.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Well said Elizabeth Well said, we need to keep Bedford
going now. As I've mentioned, if they are administrative issues
that need to be rectified, all well and good. But
order of the day number one is to keep Bedford
stores open. And that should have been said right now.
They should have been said look, there's no worries. Bedford
will keep operating and we'll keep the money up to

(01:00:47):
keep it running. And if they have to look at
the administration how the money is being spent, well and good,
but that is not the first order of the day.
Back after news headlines five double.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I produce a sam at work, bring out the rain songs,
love the rain ed answers, because you don't get that
much opportunity in Soude the stradia to dear with a.
I always am reminded I hadn't been in Adelaide all
that long, but it was a particularly long dry spell
and not something that I was not used to, having
come from Melbourne. And the afternoon newspaper, the News one

(01:01:21):
day ran a headline it's raining. I thought they were
so quaint, coming from a city that sort of rains
every other day and in between times as well, to
see it's raining, because I think it had been like
four or five six weeks and there hadn't been a drop.
Unfortunately here that happens all too often, but we can't
complain at the moment. Bring it on down. Well more

(01:01:42):
than four hundred thousand Australians are currently living with dementia.
That number is expected to double by twenty fifty. I'll
repeat that, that number expected to double from four hundred
thousand to eight hundred thousand by twenty fifty. So what's
being done? Are we any closer to finding a cure?
Joining Mina's professor Henry Bodharty professor, good morning to you.

Speaker 24 (01:02:03):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Dementia is something that I think every single person has
been touched by one way or another, some member of
the family or close friend, and is a scary disease.
It is something that everybody fears and everybody dreads, and
if it's in the family, there's even more dread. Where
are we at with treating and looking after people dementia?

Speaker 15 (01:02:25):
Well, you're absolutely right about the numbers as it's four
hundred thousand, set to double by mid century and costing
eighteen billion dollars around Australia in direct and indirect costs,
and that's also set to double. And it's a leading
cause or second leading cause of death and the leading
cause of disability. So it's a big issue. It's costing
us a lot as a country. It's a tragedy for

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the person affective. It's a tragedy for the family. And
there are one hundred different types of dementia. Alzheimer's is
the most common and vascalo dementia is the second most common,
and then there are many others. People like Ron Reagan
had Alzheimer's disease, the Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher had Bachelor
of dementia. What's his name, Robin Williams. He suicided with

(01:03:10):
his Lewis body dementia. So that's a sort of a
scale of it. We're getting better at diagnosing it, and
we can diagnose a type of dimension. It's not so
hard to diagnose dementia itself as a syndrome, but specifying
what the disease is that's causing it can be harder.
We've got pretty good techniques now of diagnosing Alzheimer's disease,

(01:03:30):
so we've gone beyond clinical examination history, which are the
fundamentals to CAT scans, MRI scans, and PET scans with
radioactive glucose. And now we've got PET scans which can
actually image the abnormal protein, the toxic amyloid protein that
builds up in the brain and the toxic cow protein

(01:03:51):
that builds up in the brain. So these are available,
they're expensive, and use them as a sort of last
resort in making that diagnosis.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I believe there's been a large dementia prevention study. What
have been the key findings?

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
Oh right, yes, So we ran a study called Maintaining
Your Brain. We recruited over six thousand people and three
thousand all online. So three thousand people received coaching in
physical activity, nutrition, eating and Mediterranean style diet, brain training,
use a computer program. We are a partnered with the
German company and depression anxiety treatment. So therefore, of something

(01:04:31):
like fourteen factors we can all do something about. And
we found that we could improve cognition in people that
had the coaching. The other half of the group, the
other three thousand got information They also improved, but the
people who got the coaching improved almost three times as much.
And so we figure this would delay dementia onset by
at least the year, and for every year we can

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reduce the numbers of people with dementia. That's ten percent
fewer people. Instead of having four hundred and thirty thousand,
we'd have, you know, three hundred and ninety thousand whatever
it is, instead of spending three point seven billion dollars
a year on the venture direct cost, we'd save three
hundred and seventy million dollars. So we think prevention is
a way to go and we can do it better.

(01:05:17):
So this program we designed was almost a decade ago
and now we know about more risk factors, we can
do it much more efficiency. Computers have improved ais on
the scene. We could deliver this and we call this
the slip slop slap of brain cells. Australia has been
so good at prevention. You look at HIV, you look

(01:05:38):
at skin cancer, you look at smoking rates. We've done
very well, but we haven't focused on our brain so
we can do so much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
What age do you need to start this prevention program?

Speaker 15 (01:05:50):
Well, ideally at the beginning of life, so if you
get more education in early childhood, that's a prevented de factor.
But it's never too late and too early. Our study
we chose people aged fifty five to seventy seven. We
found that the younger half of that group did better
than the older half. We've got an application in to

(01:06:12):
run it out nationally. We would like to start at
forty five, not at fifty five, and well we'll see
if we get some money for that. We've also been
talking to government about you know, this is a great investment.
We did a cost benefit analysis. The cost of the
program was more than was offset by the savings in
health costs such as going to hospitals, going to doctors,

(01:06:33):
taking medication.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Well, you quoted a figure of eighteen billion dollars there.
It's serious money. So what is the government's response. Are
they not proactive enough in this area?

Speaker 15 (01:06:46):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
No.

Speaker 15 (01:06:47):
We have a National Dementia Action Plan which was launched
December last year for ten year plan. They mentioned that
we should educate people about respectors, but there's no plan
to actually help people coach people in how to attack them. Now,
attacking fourteen things is a bit much for anyone. A
slip slop slapt was great because they hand you had

(01:07:08):
three things to do. So what we're saying is, well,
let's people can look at the list of risk factors
and see which ones apply to them. If they've got
high blood treasure, if they've got not using their brain,
or they're being socially isolated, these are all things we
can do something about. If we've got hearing loss, they
can We're hearing aids. So there's lots of things we

(01:07:28):
can do. We can do things on a systemic nature
as well. We know we're sports injuries now we're much
more aware of concussions and repeated concussions leading to chronic
traumatican cosholopathy. We've seen our football start. The rugby fans
would know about King Wally Lewis's come out, and the
AFL would know about Rex hamp Hunt. So in all

(01:07:49):
football codes this is happening, and boxing, of course it
happened partreck along.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
It would appear that more support is long overdue. How
could these dementia programs be rolled out and scaled to
help all the strands that are.

Speaker 15 (01:08:06):
Risk we reckon? We could do it within one of
two years. I mean the program that we ran that
is now closed down because the money ran out, the
grants closed, and so we'd like to run it again.
But this time we'd particularly like to target people who
have perhaps not as aware of things, perhaps that had
less education or that had less time, or people from

(01:08:29):
other language groups who traditionally don't get involved in research.
Now there's a lot of minority groups in Australia make
up at least a third of the population and it's
easy to pick up the people who are highly educated,
and that we had a bias in our samples that
were more educated than ourage. And so we're trying to

(01:08:52):
work in areas where we can reach more people who
may benefit even more from the program.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
We're reaching more people start at the GP.

Speaker 15 (01:09:00):
Level well, a great point. We are trying to practice
with partners with six primary healthcare networks to do exactly
that because there's a limit on what we can do online.
We can't measure blood pressure. We can ask people to
go to their GPS and get their blood pressure and
cholesterol and their diabetes all checked for and treat it

(01:09:22):
if necessary, but it will work a lot better if
we could do it with GPS.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
We see a lot of preventive things in terms say
of cancer being introduced into the workplace. Could you see
some schemes be introducing the workplace relating to dementia.

Speaker 15 (01:09:41):
Yes, I do, because it's not just brains. I mean
things that we're talking about are good for us in
so many ways. They make as fitter, they reduce our
blood pressure, they reduce obesity, they may help prevent or
mitigate diabetes. They're good for bones, you know, there are
so many benefits. We didn't measure everything. We think that

(01:10:03):
the sue or falls well, which is a major problem
as we get older.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
What about public awareness? As I said at the start,
I mean everyone has been touched in some way by
someone with dementia Alzheimer's. If it's not in the family,
they know of someone that is. And we all have
this underlying fear, particularly if you have someone in the
family that has had dementia. So you know, do we

(01:10:29):
need more public awareness campaigns or we are aware enough?

Speaker 15 (01:10:33):
No? No, we need more Dementia Australia is a great
resource for that. They've been running campaigns and as I said,
even the people who just got information in our trial,
they improved. So just get information is a good start,
but we can do even better if we run some support,
some coaching for them. And this can be done online.

(01:10:53):
It's not fully automated. There needs to be some support
in the background. That people have difficulty navigating the internet
and doing the exercises the way we did it, like
we do ten weeks, let's say the fiscal activity of
exercises in aerobic strength training and balanced training. They get
exercises online, they'd be showing videos, they'd be told what

(01:11:14):
to do, they get feedback each week and how they went,
and over ten weeks they steadily increased their minutes of
Arabic exercise, a number of days of strength training and
balanced training, and the end of three years we found
they were still maintaining those changes in behavior. It's very
hard to change people's lifestyle behavior, particularly their eating habits,

(01:11:37):
but we managed to do it. We measured how much
their diet matched the Mediterranean style diet and it improved.
Improved certainly in the first ten weeks a lot that
they did that, but continue to improved because we get
boosters every month over three years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Do we need to start treating the brain more like
a muscle and the more we work it and exercise it,
the better it will be.

Speaker 15 (01:12:01):
It's a good anabolity, absolutely, the use it or lose
it works, and the more we use our brain the better.
Doing things that you're comfortable with probably doesn't do it much.
Stretching of the brain doesn't initiate you new cells or
pathways being laid down, So things that really challenge us
are good to do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Professor, Thanks so much for your time today. Great to
chat all right.

Speaker 15 (01:12:24):
People interested. Our website is the Center for Healthy Brain
Aging unsw If you look that up Center for Healthy
Brain Aging, University of South Wales.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
You'll find us excellent, will be in touch. Good on
your professor. That's Professor Henry Brodherty, co director of the
University of the New South Wales Center for Healthy Brain Aging.
Eight double two to three double double is the number
the ring. If you want to comment on that or
anything we've been talking about today, would love to hear
from you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
At eight to eleven and five double A on a
dark and gloomy and wet Friday morning. Hope we find
you well well. The world's most famous personal wrestler, one
of pop culture's most recognizable figures, Holthagen, died unexpectedly overnight.
It's shocked his legion of fans around the globe, and
one of his unabashed fans is our own Shawn Fuster,
who joins men now sean, good morning.

Speaker 27 (01:13:12):
To you, Good morning, Graham. It's interesting you stay unabashed.
The man lived a very controversial life and I think
he's left behind quite a complex legacy to unpick what I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Believe you actually had personal contact with the man.

Speaker 27 (01:13:26):
I did I did. I was very fortunate in twenty
fifteen to have the opportunity through the advertiser to fly
across to Melbourne and interview Hogan when he was in
Australia promoting some WWEE shows ww course being the current
name for what was once the World Wrestling Federation, and
he was pushing seventy at that point, and he was
more of an ambassador than a performer. And I had

(01:13:48):
about forty five minutes with him in Federation Square, sitting
and talking about his life and what he thought his
legacy was going to be. At that point, he had
just come out of I think he said, his ninth
back surgery. From his years and years the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Ring, we know his public designa very much, but was
he different, you know, behind the veil of being the holster.

Speaker 27 (01:14:07):
Well in terms of the way that the professional wrestling
industry found him, he was a very controversial figure backstage.
Nobody gets as popular and as powerful and as lucrative
in an industry like that without being somewhat cut throat,
and he had his share of detractors. He was controversial
for the way that he did business and the way
that he dealt with some of his fellow performers behind

(01:14:29):
the scenes. He of course had some fairly memorable feuds
with World Wrestling Federation founder Vince McMahon and falling up
there changing companies and things like that. When I met him,
he was a man who was very aware of those
controversies and very much aware of his legacy. He was
also aware of the dichotomy between himself and the character,
the character, of course, being a virtuous red and yellow

(01:14:50):
superhero type scene. And he said to me during that
interview Graham, that he always felt the character was up
here holding his hand above his head, while the real
man was down here holding his hand to the floor,
and that he felt he needed to try to ascend
in me more like the character and less like himself.
Whether he succeeded in that goal, I think is very
much up for individual determination given his later years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
So going right back, how did he become a wrestler
in the first.

Speaker 27 (01:15:17):
Place depends on which story you believe. The man beneath
the persona Terry Belayer was very fond of embellishment, as
all wrestlers of that generation were. What we do know
is that he started out in the Minnesota area, under
the tutelage of a man named Vern Daunier, who was
very famous for a style of wrestling where the good
guy would take a lot of abuse and then rise

(01:15:38):
up at the end and win a herculean victory, which
became Hogan's signature. When he himself became a good guy,
he moved around companies. He worked for Vince McMahon's father,
Vincior until he was cast in Rocky three, and was
famously told by Vin Senior that you can't be both
an actor and a wrestler.

Speaker 15 (01:15:54):
You have to pick one.

Speaker 27 (01:15:55):
So he picked Rocky three and became a household name
through that. When Vince Junior took over w w F,
Hogan came back and that was his meteoric rise all
the way to the top from that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Now, I've got to be honest. I admire wrestling, but
I haven't been a devotee. But Hulk Hogan was the
hero of the free world, and then he became the
bad guy. What was that about he did?

Speaker 27 (01:16:18):
That was in the nineteen nineties a man who very
kennily realized that tide was changing, that people my age
who had grown up loving him as a hero were
becoming interesting grunge music and Nirvana and the counterculture. So
Hogan decided to turn to a bad guy and embrace
the villain as persona as a way of refreshing his character.
He went from being the focal point of all the

(01:16:39):
stories as the hero to being the focal point of
all the stories of the villain. If you imagine the
idea of Superman suddenly becoming a villain and the rest
of the heroes having to battle him. Had that sort
of effect upon the storylines within wrestling, and it allowed
other younger performers to come up and assume that hero
role and make household names for themselves and of course
make the one thing that's most important wrestling industry money.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
I can go back to the early days of wrestling
here in Australia when my grandfather used to ridicule it,
say because he used to actually be an amateur wrestler himself,
and he would say, you know, it's all His line was,
it's all got up for the gigs, it's not real,
and so forth. And two years later, every Sunday afternoon
Ringsided with the Wrestlers or whatever it was called. He'd
be sitting there and he'd be waving his fist and

(01:17:23):
cheering and check. You know, he was swept up on
the whole emotion. When did, yeah, when did the real
wrestling turn into show business?

Speaker 27 (01:17:34):
So that's a funny story. I believe it's nineteen o four.
There was a series of matches between two men called
Hackenschmidt and Gotch in a park in New York and
it was legitimate amateur wrestling, and it was a two
out of three falls match, and the two men famously
wrestled for something like seven hours without a winner. So
Gotch and Hackenschmidt got together, and all the crowd left

(01:17:57):
because they were all bored. So Gotch and Hackenschmidt to plan.
What they said was, well, we'll fake the first fall
and will fake the second one and have one inch
third one will be legitimate, and then that'll keep the
crowd entertained. And depending on who you believe, either Hackenschmid
or Gotch renegged on the deal and into the other one.
And they made so much money that they realized that
there was actually far more money in a predetermined form

(01:18:19):
of entertainment than there was in legitimate wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
They got that right.

Speaker 27 (01:18:23):
Indeed, they do. I mean you look at it now,
one of the biggest stuff excuse me, one of the
biggest starts in the world right now is Adelaide's own
rear Ripley, who you start to hear at right see
wrestling in Adelaide has gone on to become a phenomenal
almost cultural superstar. There are a lot of people in
the industry in the US that will tell you that
she's got the potential to be a female hul Cogan

(01:18:44):
in terms of her reach and breadth, and judging by
the reactions on social media and the box office she draws,
they're probably not far off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
When we get back to holth Hagen the man, how
do you think he will be best remembered because there
was a dark side?

Speaker 27 (01:18:59):
Yeah, I think that that dark side is going to
overwhelm eulogies in the short space of time. His final years,
of course, being plagued by racism, allegations, sex scandals, and
political ties that are hugely controversial, to say the least.
I think in the short term that's going to be
his legacy. Professional wrestling, though, has a very good way

(01:19:20):
of forgetting and fans have a very good way of
just focusing on the positives, so I think within ten
to fifteen years he'll be looked at similar to a
lot of the controversial figures in wrestling's past and remembered
more for his character and his performance than for the
person that was putting them on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Is there a modern day Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 27 (01:19:39):
I think right now the closest would be John Cena,
who is very famous, and a Sena is about to
retire at the moment, he's actually in his final year
of professional competition. As to who will take up the
baton from there, I got to admit I personally hope
at three A Ripley, being a friend of hers, I
would like to see a woman lead the industry from
here on, and I think she's got.

Speaker 15 (01:19:58):
The jobs to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
On FUSTA, great to chat. Thanks for your time today,
Thanks Rav. That's a chief reporter for the Advertiser. Sean
Fuster also host of Just Lawful Sunday nights from seven
pm on five Double A compulsive listening, and he appears
regularly on the Breakfast Show with what's happening around the
courts and his views. Being a devatee of wrestling on,

(01:20:21):
Hulk Hogan a larger than life character and a declared
president Donald Trump fan.

Speaker 28 (01:20:27):
He tried to kill the next president of the United States.
Enough was enough, sir works media run while brother.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
That was Hulk Hogan, the Holkster who died unexpectedly overnight,
believed to be a cardiac arrest You thought so. I
had any thoughts on Hulk Hogan? Did you ever see
him wrestle? He came to Australia once and didn't come
to Adelaide. Was in Melbourne, Sydney and Perth, I believe
also went to an AFL game and was absolutely gobsmacked

(01:21:05):
by the game itself. He was overwhelmed. He said it
was way more interesting, way more violent, and he was
very positive about the game of AFL. He said that
he wouldn't you wouldn't get him out on the ground there.
Eight double two three double is the number to ring Graham.
Helen says, do you remember Claudia Wright, a brilliant journalist

(01:21:26):
who died early with dementia? Yes, Helen, I do. She
worked at three AW. I worked at three o W
in Melbourne. We didn't work there at the same time,
but she was a renowned journalist in Melbourne on radio
and in print. Didn't meet a bit. Yes, tragically she
died early due to dementia. Carrol says, how childish and

(01:21:46):
rude was Pauline Hansen. We pay her wages. She needs
to apologize to Australians and what has Senator Cash ever
done for Australia. Thank you for that, Carol. Let's stay
called Janelle, Good morning morning.

Speaker 29 (01:22:00):
I saw hul Cogan. We went to the twenty nineteen WrestleMania.

Speaker 26 (01:22:06):
In New York.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Oh right, wow.

Speaker 29 (01:22:09):
He at the beginning of the show, his music started
and the crowd was like stunned, and then he walked
out and eighty three thousand people just erupted in disbelief
and they were just so amazed that he was there,
and they were so happy. It was an awesome thing to.

Speaker 30 (01:22:29):
Be part of.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
He wasn't wrestling then, though, was he. He would have retired
by then.

Speaker 29 (01:22:33):
No, No, he didn't wrestle. He just did the usual,
you know, the pointing of the arms and the ripping
of the shit and yeah, but the crowd, just like
I said, eighty three thousand people just erupted.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
It was incredible, wonderful, certainly larger than life character. Thanks
for sharing that story with the sir Jeanelle. We've seen
that Donald Trump has just taken to social media to say,
after many years, Australia has agreed to accept American beef
for a long time, and even though we are great friends,
they actually banned our beef. Now we are going to
sell so much to Australia because this is undeniable and

(01:23:06):
irrefutable proof that US beef is the safest and best
in the entire world. The other countries that refuse our
magnificent beef are on notice. All of our nation's ranchers,
who are some of the hardest working and most wonderful people,
are smiling today, which means I am smiling too. Let's
keep the hot street going. It's the golden age of America. Well, Donald,
I hate to tell you, as some Texter has said,

(01:23:30):
OSSI beef is that good? Why would consumers purchase imported product?
No demand, no import It will be very interesting to
see if you were given the choice between Australian beef,
renowned as possibly the best in the world, or US beef,
which can be marginal, which would you choose. They will
be labeled so you won't be buying US beef without
knowing what it is. But I'll be interested to know

(01:23:51):
twelve months from now how much US beef is sold
in Australia and has the fuss been about nothing? Because
I think we were talking to the the cattle industry
chief yesterday who said Australian beef came land in the
US and seld for fifty cents a kilo, cheaper than
US beef. So if that's the case, by the time

(01:24:12):
US beef comes to our shores, it's going to be
very expensive, not as good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings.

Speaker 31 (01:24:21):
This same shid down for fifty seven. Hare's me one
for the Shrouds by five points thirteen to eleven eighty
nine twelve twelve ninety four.

Speaker 21 (01:24:33):
A classical showdown.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Ah, there's nothing like the showdown, is there to to
get their spirits and juices rising? Second showdown of the
year tomorrow Showdown in fifty eight. The Leger sits at
twenty nine twenty eight in favor of the Crows. The Crows,
as you heard Ray there one earlier this year. Battles
are always like finals footy, probably in some ways better.
Darren Mead played in the first Showdown and in fact
won the inaugural showdown mentally joins me. Now, Darren, good

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morning to.

Speaker 10 (01:24:57):
You, Graham.

Speaker 15 (01:24:58):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Yeah? Look well thanks, what are you?

Speaker 32 (01:25:00):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Memories of that first showdown.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
Well getting a bit old now, but I look, fantastic
day for the football club. I think a fantastic day
in football in general, especially in South Australia, and obviously
as time's gone on, the AFL pretty well understanding Valary
and how good the game is. And hopefully soon I'll
get a prime time slot a.

Speaker 24 (01:25:26):
Year in year out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
I certainly should. Look. I hate to be reminded being
a Crow supporter Darren of that first showdown, because I'll
tell you what, it was a rude awakening for the
Adelaide Football Club.

Speaker 10 (01:25:37):
Oh look, there was a lot of pressure on Adelaide obviously,
you know, being in the system and then the competition
for a while and obviously the pressure was on them.
But yeah, from inside the football club, we obviously knew
what was at stake and what had happened previously in
years gone by. And look, it's just a fantastic and

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fantastic day to be part of footy and and thank god.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
We're on the winning in did the coaching staff treat
showdowns differently to other games.

Speaker 10 (01:26:07):
Ah, Look, no doubt there's obviously that bit of rivalry,
but yeah, with inside each football club there is certainly
some feelings towards other football club and no doubt tomorrow
night will be no different. There's a lot of pride
on the line. Obviously had later a game well and

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Port obviously can't make finals. But at the end of
the day, when you know they cross the line, it's
going to be a fifty fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Ball game and showdowns a showdown after all.

Speaker 10 (01:26:38):
That's right. You know the weather's going to play a
massive role in it. Who can adapt to the conditions
you know first and and you know hopefully it's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Port Adelaida of from the start you've got a vested
interest of course with son Jackson playing. How does he
feel about showdowns?

Speaker 10 (01:26:56):
Look, loves it, you know, as I say, they can'tviously
play finals this year, but this is going to be
something that they can hopefully build towards next year. And
you know he'll without seeing him today at the moment,
obviously a training but yeah, they'll be He'll be nervous,
no doubt, and looking forward to you know, going out
there and putting his best foot forward and if.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
There could be anything extra in a showdown to Showdown,
it's it's the ultimate football in the state, without question.
But it's Ken Hinckley's last Showdown, so you would think
the players were going to give a little bit extra
if that's possible.

Speaker 10 (01:27:31):
Oh, look, that's right. It's been a long year for Ken.
It's been hard year for Ken. But yeah, look he'll
he'll go out, you know, doing a footy club, a
tremendous job in getting us back on track and unfortunately
we haven't been to the to the pinnacle. But look
he's put his best foot forward and you know he's
made a football club back on the big stage over

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the last thirteen years of of giving us back to
where we need to be. And you know we can't
think enough of that sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Certainly. Well I can't say, you know, good luck. Well
I will say good luck for tomorrow night. I can
say it, but made the better team win. But Darren,
great to speak. Congratulations on your your career with firstly
the Magpies and and then the Power and of course
the inaugural Showdown medalists. Well that's only been awarded to
you recently hasn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:22):
Yeah, it was. It was presented the first Showdown this
year and it was Yeah. It was nice to you know,
obviously to win it, and it was nice to have
a role list now of Showdown medalists from right from
the start. Would look at it empty, been empty for
a long time for the first Sick Showdown middlists.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
So you'll be you'll be there tomorrow night cheering the
young lad on.

Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Yep, I'll go to I'll do coaching and then I'll
finish coaching and then and then rush off to the
footy and and hopefully bring across that he gets gets
across the line. Are we going to win?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Good on you, great Darren Mead, former Port Adelaide player.
The inaugural Chaudown medallist and the second Chadown medalist came
from the Crows. It was none other than Brett James Brett.
Good morning to you.

Speaker 24 (01:29:11):
Yeah, good morning Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
You still have to get your medal, haven't you, because
that's going to be awarded tomorrow night effectively.

Speaker 24 (01:29:19):
Yes, yeah, I think they're going to hand over the
kind of three La Trow guys that got the retrospective ones.
And yes, that'll be before the game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
I think, yeah, what what the showdowns mean to you?
Not so much now, but as a player.

Speaker 24 (01:29:34):
Uh, initially, obviously Porte came in those first couple of
years and it was their first year. So the first one,
the build up was huge, it was finals like and
then obviously we got we got beaten. The weather was
perfect and we got rolled. And then the second one
came along and didn't start well for us, even they

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got the right on top early and we gradually fought
our way back and kind of got over the line
late in the game. So yeah, it was good to
get things level one all as it's kind of you know,
over the however many years it's been thirty forty thirty
odd years, things have always been pretty tight. So it

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was good to get that second one, and I think
the way we came back in that game kind of
it was a bit of a start of something because
you know, it was late in the season and we
won a lot of games late in that year.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Yeah. Well, the way on the way to the first premiership,
I was going to say that our showdowns or worst
showdowns particularly then good preparation for finals. Is it a
different level of football?

Speaker 24 (01:30:41):
Yeah, The intensity definitely lifts. And I said, when we
lost that first one, it felt like we lost the final.
You know that same you know during the year, you
obviously get disappointed, but there's a different It was definitely
a different level of disappointment.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
I can tell you as a supporter, I was absolutely horrified.
I went in, you know, with a smug look on
my face saying, oh, well, well, Brushley's power people aside.
And it wasn't like that to be at all. And
virtually every showdown has been similar, no matter where the
teams are placed.

Speaker 24 (01:31:10):
Yeah, yeah, it was exactly that. And as I said,
that second one when we played, I think at quarter
a time we went in, I think we're right on
top of that one. So there was definitely that we've
got to dig in here. And then yeah, we were lucky,
as I said, we were lucky late that we kicked
some goals and kind of controlled the game lad that
last quarter. So but yeah, it's definitely a different, different

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build up. Very fine this finals like, and yeah it's
a game you really enjoyed playing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Well, those two first showdowns in ninety seven were stood
you in good stead for ninety seven and ninety eight.
What are you What are your memories of those two premierships.

Speaker 24 (01:31:47):
Yeah, well, it's one of things. We were quite a
young group. We had a few older guys, So for
us young guys, I always go, we kind of got
through the finals of ninety seven and I don't think
we quite realized it happened. We were just playing good
footy and kind of rolled our way through finals. But
ninety eight was we kind of understood once we won
ninety seven how big it was, and I always go

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ninety eight was. I think we had a better understanding
of how big an influence I had on the state
and all those things that came with it. So but
it was definitely, Yeah, ninety seven finals series was kind
of enjoyable. There was a bit more pressure in ninety
eight because they are room for Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
And here we are in twenty twenty five. How do
you think the boys are looking at the moment.

Speaker 24 (01:32:32):
Yeah, fantastic. It's been a while coming, but you know,
we even we improved two or three years ago and
then we've had a we just stagnated a little bit,
but we've just I think particularly down defense, we've offensively
and we're a bit better around the footy. But I
think the boys down back have been fantastic. I think
that's what they hold you know, for a lot of

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those guys are big names. But what your hope is
in a couple of years time we win and serious
games of footy and then they become big names. So
I reckon a couple of those guys aren't too far off.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Yeah, I've got that same feeling, but we're keeping a
lid on it. Just before we let you go, Brett,
thanks so much for your time today. Congratulations for your
contribution to the Adelaide Football Club. Congratulations on becoming a
Showdown medal winner. You had the unique Did you actually
play against your brother Roger, who was a Port Adelaide storeward.

Speaker 24 (01:33:26):
Yeah, yeah, so I think I don't think he played
the first one, but I know that second one he
was playing in that game, So we played against each
other a few times.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Yeah, yeah, that is that a different feeling or once
you're out on the field, it's you know, all bets off.

Speaker 24 (01:33:40):
Well, I'd say me and my brother pretty close.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
So but you wouldn't give him an easy kick, would you?

Speaker 24 (01:33:47):
Definitely not? No wind, But it's got one of those things. Yeah,
when you're out there, it kind of seem very very
weird playing against your brother.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Yeah, I can well imagine Brett. Thanks for your time
today and congratulations on getting the Showdown Metal and being
presented with it tomorrow night. We'll see you at the footy.
Thanks Brett James, former Adelaide Crow Premiership player and a
Showdown medalist. It's going to be a great game. Unfortunately
the weather. I mean we're hoping for a sellout. It
probably is a sellout, but it's unlikely that we get

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to fifty thousand plus because the weather is in clement.
It's going to rain again tomorrow and that has forced
the Adelaide Oval Car Park, the Northern Car Park to
be closed. As Tom Wren said on five Double a
Breakfast this morning.

Speaker 33 (01:34:27):
Just the other thing as well in terms of people
that are going to the game tomorrow, if you're thinking
of heading there, just perhaps take public transport because they're
oval and the grounds in fantastic condition. But the car park,
if you're looking to park on site, you will not
be allowed if you're just a member of the public,
like in the Northern Car Park because of the rain.

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So if you've got a permit so well, for example,
you know with the permit.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Whose decision would that be.

Speaker 33 (01:34:54):
That'd be Adelaide Oval, yeah, or it would it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Have been the city council in conjunct with them.

Speaker 34 (01:35:00):
Maybe maybe, But yeah, I think there's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
About grass damage to the parkland.

Speaker 33 (01:35:04):
I think they're just concerned about the state of their park.
But look, if you've got a permit, you're fine that
if you're a member of the public, you won't be
allowed to park on that northern car puck. So just
keep that in mind if you're heading to the game tomorrow,
public transport if you can.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Tommy Rerehn on five Double A Breakfast this morning, the
second showdown of the year, showdown fifty eight ledgers sitting
at twenty nine twenty eight in the Crow's favor. But
it's a showdown. It could go either way. You've got
to comment. Love to hear it. Eight double two to three,
double O double oh, the number five Double.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
A Mornings with Gram Goodings.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
It's long been a IASI tradition at the bar. Drink
up boys, my shout. You must have heard it. Maybe
you haven't. You buy around and one of your mates,
you know full well, we'll buy the next round and
so on and so it goes, But what's the drill
and the coffee shop? If you're going too there with
a friend, you might be ducking out during a break

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or just before work or just after and you're going
with a mate. That awkward moment, who's going to pay
for the coffee? I thought we'd go to an expert,
an etiquette expert, Joe Hayes, Joe, good morning to you, Good.

Speaker 30 (01:36:10):
Morning to you, Graham. How are you look?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Well? Thanks? But I must say I don't quite know
as I say, where I step up to the bar,
I know what to do and when everyone knows what
to expect. What is the routine when you're buying a coffee?

Speaker 30 (01:36:23):
Well, look, it's not dissimilar to the bar etiquette. One
does well to shout one's friend, especially if it's just
the two of you going to a cafe for a
cat shup. It does feel a bit stingy, a little
bit selfish to just pay for your own, especially if
you're the first one at the counter or the first

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one to you know, take hold of the bill. So
the proper etiquette, my recommendation, is to yes, shout your
friend and look, it's not going to break the bank,
but it does so very good seed in fostering healthy
friendships and just a general sense of goodwill.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
I guess you have to be a bit wary though,
because if this is a regular thing and you turn
up with the same friend on a daily or weekly basis,
and you're the one putting your hand in the pocket,
that's going to stretch the friendship.

Speaker 30 (01:37:15):
Oh well, look, in any healthy friendship, reci property and
mutual giving is certainly a main state. This is something
that any healthy relationship involves. So of course, if you
are going regularly to a coffee day or a coffee
catch up with a friend that's a week or once
a month, you need to take turns. You know, one

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must not expect one's friend to step up every time,
or in fact, even consecutive times. Most of us have
an idea of oh, yes, my friend shouted last time,
I need to remember to pay this time, and most
of us have a sense of I want to do that.
You know, it feels a bit weird and awkward to
feel like, oh, the other person is paying each time.

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That's not right, you know, that does not make a
good health the friendships. So yes, shouting, but then taking
mutual turns, that is the way to do things that
is general good manners and common courtesy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Yeah, I think most of us would feel a little
guilty if the other person was always buying the coffee.
You know, somewhere along the line you think, I think
it should be me. But I guess there are always
some people out there that just want to save every
penny and that someone else's silly enough to put down
in their pocket, they'll take it.

Speaker 18 (01:38:26):
Well.

Speaker 30 (01:38:26):
Unfortunately, Graham, those sorts of people end up with no friends.
We all know that. And so these are just basic
things that we need to start teaching these to our
children from a young age. But one should learn this.
You know, if you finding yourself with not too many
friends in your life, you need to take a good
long look at yourself and your behaviors and think, oh, yes, actually,

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that's actually not conducive to a healthy friendship or something
that attracts people to a person. So generosity, a general
sense of giving, being, wanting to do good to others.
These are all things that force to friendships and make
one's life positive. And yes, but our life with those
relationships that really make life worth a living.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Great advice, Joe Great to speak with it a joy
thanks Graham. Joe Hayes, etiquette expert on coffee. So which
way do you do it? Do you? You know, what do
we used to call a Dutch treat when everyone bought
their own. It's a bit different if you're going into
a cafe restaurant and it's a meal, and you know,
it could be twenty two dollars, twenty five dollars or
something like that, and you paying for somebody else is

(01:39:33):
a bit rich. But if it's you know, four or
five six dollars, it's probably reasonable to buy first and
leave it at that and hope maybe next time that
they'll do the same for you. What do you think
eight double two three double o double, Oh, let's take
a call Adam. No, we're not trying to get Adam
and not getting Adam at the moment. One thing about

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the coffees, I'm told there are three particular types. The
heroic shout, where you buy you made a coffee and
expect nothing back now for five dollars fifty of purchased liquid, friendship,
goodwill and the right to feel smug all day. The
ping pong payback. Now, I've got this one, you get
the next. Now that works until someone starts racking up

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a three cappuccino debt and you're being left holding the invoices.
And then there's the lone wolf method, or as I
called it, Dutch treat Everyone pays for their own It's efficient,
tidy and completely joyless. Adam, I've got you, now go ahead,
Hey Graham.

Speaker 32 (01:40:31):
Banks, sec macall, just want to let you know that
my nept you he's got autism. So he gets picked
up by a bus in the NDS. So what happened
was they have to take him to the certain school
and a teacher will wait for him to take him
out of taxi. So what happened a taxi driver picked
him up, took him to the wrong school, opened his
door and just dropped him up at the school and

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left him by. So he walked he walked himself into
the front office, I believe, and luckily it was a
you know, luckily the teachers knew that he had his
school uniform on actually find out. But yeah, the poor
little bugge was so yeah, I'm just sitting an eye
out there that you know, Unfortunately I don't think they're.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
That is very distressing and that was organized by the ends.
You're saying yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:41:18):
Yeah, so the schools apparently bringing up and this, that
and the other. But it just shows you some of
the taxi drivers that they have hired. Actually you know
they qualified.

Speaker 9 (01:41:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yeah, no, that is he okay, Now it didn't upset
him too much.

Speaker 9 (01:41:31):
He is, okay, he is.

Speaker 32 (01:41:33):
But still though, I mean some of the gifts people autism.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Yeah, be traumatic, yeah, potentially.

Speaker 14 (01:41:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
Well I'm glad you here, Adam that it turned out okay.
But yeah, look, any taxi drivers listening there, who traveling
with or taking disability people to certain locations, just make
sure you get it right. From the text line, good morning, Graham.
President Trump loves his Big Mac because it has made
with US trade and beef. I've traveled the US a

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couple of times. The quality of the beef is rubbish. Seriously,
the Australian public should avoid this product or they will
learn the hard way. Good on your Marty. So there
we go. I will be amazed if people buy US
beef in any sort of quantity at all. I don't
know what level it fulfills. If it's an area of
pet food. Perhaps Trump, he's not listening. I could be

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in strife for saying that, but Australian beef is the best,
there's no question about that. So ifs beef produces the
ranchers want to send their beef out to our country
at a higher price than the local product, good luck
to them because we should have a free enterprise system,
free trade between the country. So if they want to
take the chances, let them do so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Ah, the good old rain drops falling on our head.
Hopefully you're keeping dry, a lot of rain about. I
had some figures on the rainfall Adelaide in the last
twenty four hours. Seven point two mills, Largs Bay, seven
point six hard Off, twelve point six woodside tops the
list I have thirteen point four Salisbury or no. Nineteen
point four at Salisbury no longer, eight point six Hope Valley,

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ten mills, and still plenty on the way well. The
South Stralian Caravan, Camping and Outdoor Sale is on again
this weekend. If you're thinking of caravanning, maybe getting in
the caravan and getting away from winter wouldn't be a
bad thing to do with it. Michelle Sterry from the
Caravan and Camping Sale joins us now Michelle.

Speaker 24 (01:43:29):
Good morning, Good morning, Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
How are you good, Tank. Well, it's not a good morning,
really is it? Weatherwise? Probably a good date.

Speaker 35 (01:43:36):
We're having a good time down here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
And you're indoors, aren't you.

Speaker 35 (01:43:41):
Yeah, of our displayers all indoors, so what's warm inside?

Speaker 8 (01:43:48):
So it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
So what can someone expect that has never been to
a caravan camping display? What can they expect to see?

Speaker 35 (01:43:57):
Well, we've got displays of every all the products you
need for caravan and camping. It's very well laid out
with lots of easy access for everybody. There's kids activities.
We have stages with presentations going, so you get the
education on how to do everything that you need to do.

(01:44:19):
And yeah, there's a wide variety of exhibitors here this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
There's no doubt that you get a lot of people
there been caravanning all their life, been camping, that's all,
you know, pretty much familiar to them. But what about
the person that turns up who's never been camping, never
been caravanning, doesn't know where to start. What's there for them?

Speaker 35 (01:44:40):
Well, we actually have a lot of the base products
as well, things like swags and rooftop tents, that sort
of thing on display.

Speaker 26 (01:44:48):
But we also have some.

Speaker 35 (01:44:49):
Exhibitors here who are really the expert in getting started.
We've got some One of our stage presentations during the
day is all about doing the simple, simple setup and
getting yourself out there in caravani camp.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
Is there, I mean, here are the gray nomads that
are set off around Astrata. But is there a sort
of a typical age or as do all ages go
caravani and camping?

Speaker 35 (01:45:16):
Well, actually we find all ages do, and funnily enough,
the biggest market at the moment is the twenty five
to thirty six year olds and the family.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Oh really, yeah, that's young, isn't it.

Speaker 35 (01:45:29):
Yes, yeah, so I think it's just a great experience
when you've got a young family, You're getting out in nature,
you're bonding with each other, and it's just a really
great way of doing a holiday. And you know, you
don't a lot of people just use it as their
accommodation option too. Just because you're camping doesn't mean.

Speaker 17 (01:45:51):
That you don't still do all of the.

Speaker 35 (01:45:53):
Normal tourist things in the area. So yeah, it's a
it's a really affordable way of having a holiday because
the accommodation and stuff is a lot cheaper win.

Speaker 19 (01:46:05):
Caravan and camping sounds.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Fun and open all weekend.

Speaker 35 (01:46:10):
Absolutely, we're here from nine point thirty to four point
thirty every day. There's activities for the kids. Kids get
in free and if they're under sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
So yeah, it's really great, Michelle, great to chat, Thanks
for time today. That's Michelle Sterry. Caravan and Camping sail
is on at the Adelaide Showgrounds. As Michelle said, ninety
percent is undercover because I don't know that you're going
to be wanting to look at caravans and camping, et cetera.
Although it's called the camping and outdoor Sale, the sale
is actually ninety percent indoors, and that's what you want

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with the weather we're having at the moment. So tell
us your camping and caravanning story. Maxine has done just that,
hi gg. We're about to start planning our retirement and
a trip in a camper van will be part of that. However,
as you pointed out, who knows if we're going to
like it or cope with the close proximity to each
other twenty four to seven. We also have a dog
who we need to accommodate. So before we splurge on purchasing,

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we're going to do a two week trip, then four
weeks in a rental and then we will assess. That
way we aren't tied up with something we won't use. Maxine,
that is great advice, a good thing to do, because
that was the point I made, that you plan to
your retirement or whatever and say, you know we're not
working anymore. Husband and wife, jump in the vehicle and

(01:47:24):
maybe a dog, cat, whatever, and off you go. And
you're three weeks into the trip of a three month
trip around Australia and think, oh, don't like this, not
for us. We need a bit more space. So Maxine's
plan is to do a couple of samplers, a two
week trip, then a four week trip in a rental.
If you like it, then you move on. So tell

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us your stories about camping, tell any horror stories about
touring around Australia. I need to be at broom somewhere
saying we're a long way from home and we're over
each other. We want to get home. Glenn Berry joins
us from Wallace. Glenn, good morning morning Graham.

Speaker 36 (01:48:01):
How are you yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Look really well? Thanks sir. What's happening in cinemas at
the moment at Wallace?

Speaker 36 (01:48:06):
Yeah, well it's certainly cinema weather, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Certainly?

Speaker 36 (01:48:10):
Yeah, there's not a lot to do outside. So yeah,
we've just come off the school holidays, but there's still
plenty of films out there to see for the family
and for the adults as well. We've got I'll run
through a few. Jurassic World is out there. Superman is
doing really really well at the moment. He's number one
around the place. Four Letters of Love, which has got

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Pierced Bosman in it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Is that a comedy or.

Speaker 36 (01:48:37):
It's a romantic love story?

Speaker 10 (01:48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 36 (01:48:40):
The film that I've seen a couple of times now,
which I rate very highly, is F One, the movie
with Brad Pitts.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Yet to see that. I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
I'm not necessarily a huge Brad pit fan, but I've
heard really great reports.

Speaker 36 (01:48:54):
Yeah, it's really good. You don't have to be an
F one or motorsport fan to sort of. It's got
a really good story there. Interesting enough, you've got paid
thirty million dollars to do that. To do that, wow,
So yes, not bad payday, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
I could do with just one of those, I'd be happy.

Speaker 36 (01:49:12):
We've got a Horror Movies, which is part of a
franchise started this week. I Know What You Did last Summer,
so which is rate A M A fifteen plus, which
is a if you like your horror movie, that's that's
right up your creek. How to Train Your Dragon for
the Kids, the Smurfs and Ilio are still left over
from the holidays for the for the kids to go

(01:49:33):
and see on the weekend. Fantastic and still hanging in
there as Mission Impossible. He's got Tom Cruisey's been out
there for about six or seven weeks now.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
I was going to say that's a long run.

Speaker 36 (01:49:43):
Yeah, the f one Mission Impossible. You need to see
on the really big screen. It's got big sound, great picture.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
It's fantastic now before we let you go, Glenn.

Speaker 36 (01:49:54):
The top five, yeah sure in ad late this week,
I Know What You Did Last Summer came in at
number five, How to Train Your Dragons for the Kids
at number four, F one, which we spoke about at
number three, Drastic World number two, and first week in
Superman at number one.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Brilliant. Good on you, Glenn, have a great week.

Speaker 16 (01:50:11):
You two.

Speaker 36 (01:50:11):
Thanks Graham.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Glen Burry from Wallace Cinemas the best in movies. If
you're going to the movies, go to Wallace Cinemas. A
double two three, double O double is the number of
the ring. Let's take a call William. Good morning to you.

Speaker 37 (01:50:25):
Good morning Graham, hope you're.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Well very well.

Speaker 37 (01:50:27):
Thanks, that's good. Hey, I just got a bit of
a comment to make on the Bedford situation, if it's
I made sure. Now, look, I'm all for helping people, Graham, right,
but look what happened when we bailed our holdens as taxpayers,

(01:50:48):
all the money that were pumped in the hold in
four or five years prior to it, you know, moving
offshore and shutting down that massive factory. And I'm pretty
sure there was a couple of thousands or a couple
of thousand of people that lost their job. But what
I'm trying to say is, you know, I'm pretty sure
we've pumped in close to one hundred million dollars from

(01:51:08):
the government to prop them up for another couple of years,
which is the taxpayer would have been taxed somewhere along
the line to make that money up. And from an
asset point of view, we didn't get anything when they
sold off all their assets. So if the government is listening,
you know, I hope that if they do bail out

(01:51:29):
Bedford Industries, they have some kind of security that if
they don't make it in the next five years, some
money has to be paid back, because I know for
a fact bedforod have assets that you know, big machinery
and tools and vehicles and all this stuff that they
could sell off when it does fold, or if it

(01:51:50):
does fold, you know, to give us some money back,
you know what I mean, because we didn't get any
money back from Holdens when they shut for.

Speaker 24 (01:51:57):
A couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
Look, I take your point, Willing, but it's sort of
a bit different, isn't it. Holden or General Motors, was
an American company producing cars in Australia and they had
a pullback point and that was to get out of
Australia together, all right. We came out poorly with that,
and we did pour a lot of money into GMH.
This would be different not saying that we need to

(01:52:20):
be extra diligent because it is taxpayer money. Anytime a
government says we're going to fund this, we're going to
fund that with a big smile on their faces. No
you're not. You're our agent. We are paying the taxpayer.
This other Australian taxpayer is funding it. So yes, I
think we certainly need to bail Bedford out, but we
need to pay a close watch. The first step is

(01:52:43):
to make sure that Bedford keeps operating for all those
fourteen hundred disabled workers or workers with a disability, maintain continuity.
That is the first thing. Then we need to look
at the administration where the money is being spent, hasn't
been spent in the right way, and if it hasn't been,
take the necessary measures to rectifyd the situation. But yeah,
we need to be across it. But there's no question

(01:53:05):
that Bedford needs to keep operating. Hi gg. On the
subject of buying around at the pub, that was the
good old days when Australia was Australia. It's not that
way anymore. Australians are now entering globalization. Now it's every
man for themselves. Oh how times change. And Steph says
not sure when you last went out buying rounds of
drinks for people. I can tell you it does not

(01:53:27):
happen much at all anymore. And a round can easily
cost between fifty and one hundred dollars. Most can no
longer afford it, showing your age, I think, Steph, I'm
afraid you're dead right. I'm just trying to think as
i've read that out. The last time I bought around
in a front bar, it's probably a long time ago,
and the total bill would have probably come to maybe
thirty bucks maybe that. But yeah, if you're buying drinks

(01:53:50):
and people are buying drinks and beers and spirits and
the like, and it, yeah, you could easily be up
for seventy eighty bucks one hundred dollars. So yeah, maybe
sadly the days of your shout or mine, those days
are gone. I remember vividly the five DN journalists. Jeff Medwill,
legendary journalist here in southa Stradia, wonderful man, wonderful man

(01:54:14):
who used to have lots of sayings, and one of
them was the man who shouts first, saves a thousand
a year, And anytime we go down to the pub,
Jeff would be first to say my shout, and he
wrecked because he'd say, you know, maybe two three people
will be for the first shout, but by the third
or fourth shout, there could be four or five people

(01:54:34):
and it may never get back to Jeff again. So
his his saying was the man who shouts says a
thousand a year, Fay, good.

Speaker 21 (01:54:44):
Morning, Yes, good morning, Graham. How are you today?

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Good? Thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:54:48):
That's the way.

Speaker 26 (01:54:50):
Look, I want to.

Speaker 21 (01:54:50):
Share my memories of Bedford quickly because my experiences with
them goes back to nineteen sixty six. I started working
at Bedford Industries on the first of March of that year,
and I was a switchboard operator at the time, and
then later down the track I worked in what was

(01:55:11):
called the subcontracts department, which they did all sorts of things,
anything from packing nails into boxes, wrapping parcels for Johnny
for sorry, certain stores throughout Christmas. And that's right, I'm
up the sleep and I'm not with it at the moment,
but beyond that, and oh gosh, packing strings for it

(01:55:37):
was that sort of thing, and it was very good experience.
But the wages, although they weren't all that flash and
this is this has gone back forty years ago, as
I said, And I'm very sad to have heard about
this news because I'd hate to see Bedford's fog for

(01:56:00):
all those that are involved, and I just wish them
all the best for the future and that they can
find a way out of it. I guess it's easy
enough for any business to get in trouble like this, now,
that's true about it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Yeah, thanks for your well wishes, Fae. We all hope
that it will be resolved and the people who work
for Bedford Industries will be able to continue on into
the future. Hi, Graham, time for a good news story.
Shopping at Saint Agnes this morning, arrived home to find
I'd left my handbag hanging on the trolley. Rushed back
to find some lovely, honest person had handed it in.
What a bright spot in a wet and windy day.

(01:56:37):
If that lovely person hears this, thank you. So that's
nice to hear that story. Here. We all always hear
the bad side, the nasty signe of life. But there
are so many in the majority, really good people out there,
so it's nice to hear that. If you want to
share a good news story with us, I'd love to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
The start of the show this morning, I ran in
exchange between three senators or not an exchange so much.
But there was a debate about the Welcome to Country
Senator just In the Price, Fire Minister Penny Wong and
Mcadia Cash and it went in an order that ended
up with Macadia Cash giving one of the biggest putdowns

(01:57:19):
and blasts that's been heard in Parliament. It started with
a respectful discussion on the Welcome to Country but at
that stage both sides of the argument were being discussed
in a very reasonable and sensible way. The fiery stars
came after One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, led a protest
from a party to turn their backs on the acknowledgment
of country ceremony during the opening of Parliament. Well, they

(01:57:40):
prompted the debate and one of the speakers firstly was
Indigenous Senator At nappin chimber Price.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
If you speak up against it, if you mention it,
you are painted as a racist or somebody who was
a coconut, or somebody who was a traitor. Imagine if
we treated every single racial group in this manner in
this country. It's horrendous. And it begins with the virtue signaling.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
After just Enterprise spoke Foreign Minister Penny Wong launched firstly
a rebuke of Pauline Hansen, and then urged Senator Price
to heed the words of Liberal leader Susan Lee, who
is more supportive of acknowledgment to country and ceremonies. This
is what De penny Wong had to say.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
Decency and respect cost us nothing. And if you want
to see what grace and respect look like, perhaps remember
what Senator McCarthy said just a few moments ago.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Well, those comments from penny Wong were enough to enrage
Shadow Foreign Minister michaelia Cash.

Speaker 5 (01:58:41):
But I can tell you do not ever domain anybody.
Senator just in a Nampa gimp Price her mother's story
Best Price. I suggest you all read it. A woman
walking through the desert was her mother who had her.

Speaker 17 (01:58:59):
Baby, but between her legs under a tree, she.

Speaker 5 (01:59:02):
Picked up that baby. She cut the umbilical cord, and
she kept walking. I suggest you read.

Speaker 6 (01:59:09):
The story of Best Price before you ever come in
here and cast dis versions or tell us send it
along to respect.

Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
Other words, I will stand by and respect. Senator just
sent a Nampa Jimper Price, who every day has lived
and breathed reconciliation in this country. Her father is white,
her mother is black. So please don't ever come into
this place again and pontificate to us like you've just done.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Wow, pretty powerful stuff from Michaylia Cash. I'd like to
have seen the look on Penny Wong's face after that
exchange from the text line Bedford probably asset rich and
liquid poor. Bedford is more than money. It's taking care
of our vulnerable Bedford. They will be trying to source
services that aren't available find the money, so says Anne.

(02:00:05):
And I think that would be a common thought from
a lot of people. Gray, am I driver taxi and
only do a set disability school run. That's it as
far as I know, no one should be driving any
autistic child without approved disability and working with child clearance.
Sounds to me your caller's driver wasn't a disability cleared
as no way would anyone approve leaving a child like that.

(02:00:26):
Thank you for that. Darren's afternoon after one o'clock, it's
the one the only leaf Foresslee morning.

Speaker 34 (02:00:32):
Look at this weather.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
It's so dark, doesn't it It looks like the sun
is set and we're heading to a hi eight o'clock.

Speaker 34 (02:00:39):
Do you ever have this conversation with your family? What's
your perfect day, you know, like temperature wise, sunshining light, zephyr,
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
Thirty two degrees, gentle breeze, blue skies. Really h this
This is what I this is for you?

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
Is it?

Speaker 34 (02:00:55):
Black heart? Black mind?

Speaker 5 (02:00:56):
I love this.

Speaker 34 (02:00:57):
This is so nostalgic for this is every day in
southeast in winter my entire childhood.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Leith Forest will be doing his show live from hind
Masks if they I do it and I love this,
I love them. The only thing I don't love about
weather like this in the city, now that I'm a
city slicker is the drivers. People forget how to drive
in these conditions. Everyone's going to have. We have too
much dry weather here, so we don't know what wet
weather driving is.

Speaker 34 (02:01:22):
Forty degrees in both lanes today driving into work, I'm like,
just please just move over to the left. I'm comfortable
in doing sixty. I'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 34 (02:01:32):
And then pedestrians who just think that they own roads
and don't need to wait for cars. It's like, well,
it's raining, I don't want to get wet, so I'm
just going to walk straight across the road.

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
And cyclists who don't think red lights really refer to them.

Speaker 34 (02:01:43):
I think Perry Street's one of the worst. Have you
had that when you've driven into work people just randomly
walk in front of your car?

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
Yeah, often it's almost like this, this is our territory.
And I mean you don't want you obviously don't want
to hit them. No, and you'd feel the worst thing
in the world, but you're you're doing the right thing.
I wouldn't mind to nudge them just a little bit.
I've got a big enough you know, I don't want
to be on the front page of the advertiser. But
if there's just a little nudge to just put you
back in your place and say, hey, we got to
share the roads. It's not your road. There's no zebra

(02:02:10):
crossing here. I'll stop for you, but you don't own
the road. But anyway, I know, I love it. Look
at it. I hope you don't accidentally bump into someone
because this could be using show.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
I know.

Speaker 34 (02:02:19):
Yeah, see spoke about it on IT. I heard you
talk to Sean Fuscher about Hulk Hogan. I'm going to
continue that. I hope you don't mind after.

Speaker 15 (02:02:27):
Not at all.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
No, it's a great, great topic because I was.

Speaker 34 (02:02:30):
A Hulker maniac as a kid. Yeah, my brother and
I were sort of reflecting and nostalgic this morning because
for a lot of people in the eighties, he was
as big as Muhammad Ali was for people of that generation,
like this was a guy who transcended sport. He was
not just a wrestler. He was a movie star, a

(02:02:50):
larger than like hear And you know, there were cartoons
and we all bought the T shirts, and we all
wore bandanas, and we would constantly rip off our T shirts,
throw each other's mum hated it, throw each other around
the trampoline.

Speaker 28 (02:03:05):
You know.

Speaker 34 (02:03:06):
We used to talk like him. He had a thing
where he used to flex. He he caught his biceps
twenty four inch pythons. He had these huge muscles and
he used to kiss.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
Them all that.

Speaker 34 (02:03:14):
We would always be walking around the house kissing our muscles.
So I'm sort of sad that he's passed. There was
a dark side doing him. Yeah, early Hulk is much
better than late Hulk. Yeah, unfortunately sort of fell into
that kind of mega trap. But it's a story that's
worth telling, There's no question about that. Yeah, So have
too few characters in this world today, so we are
going to speak to the biographer of his autobiography. He

(02:03:36):
and Guy in America wrote his books, so we speak
to him about that today. Because there are like, there's
two sides. It's the Clark Kent sort of Superman. Well
you see this guy on TV, his real life is
very different, so we'll touch on that. Chris Jarmer is
going to be here with the showdown Hamburgers, so I
don't know if he's dyed the paddy sort of you know,
crows and pork colors. I'm not sure what he's doing there, but.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
You know, Chris Jalmer feeds the crow players after every game,
and it used to be prawn's but that got a
bit difficult.

Speaker 34 (02:04:04):
I think he's got celebration prawns. Oh win, you get
a different meal than if you lose. He still does
amazing food win or lose, but I think there's an
extra bonus if the crows get up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Yeah. I don't know how he does it because all
of a sudden, you're cooking for twenty four I know, players,
coaches and things that, so yeah, he does it.

Speaker 34 (02:04:22):
He's a great goala on social media, Chris, because you
get to see the crows. He's always standing there by
the bay Marie when they walk into the rooms, yourself
and everyone else in there. And then then he pans
across to the food and you're like, here's a lamb
chop and here's a dim sim and here's.

Speaker 1 (02:04:36):
All of that.

Speaker 34 (02:04:36):
So we speak to Chris and Foody Friday is always
a little bit of fun. And Matt Preston will be
on the show from Master Chef Fame. Matt's in town
this weekend because they've got the big Winter Reds Wine
Festival going on, So we'll speak to Matt in his
cravat on today. Good on your Lei, thank you Graham
Leith forrest coming up this afternoon. And as Leith said,
it's Foody Friday. If you love your food, be listening

(02:04:57):
to Leith just after three when Chris Chalmer from Chalmer's
Kitchen joins him with these showdown Burghers. Sounds good, don't it?
Foody Friday? Thanks to Smeg and POWs Building or renovating,
your first choice should be visiting the Smeg showroom at
Debney Distributors. Taste the difference with Smeg and pals. Wow,
that's it for another week. Thank you so much for
your participation, Thanks for your company, have a great weekend

(02:05:19):
and enjoy the showdown to morrow.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
Go Crows.

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