December 18, 2024 • 14 mins
Graeme Goodings speaks with Greg Jenkins, the son of murdered Adelaide mother Anna Jenkins, about the injustice of his mother's case.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well. A controversial will return to our strata of the
remaining five members of the Bali Nine has raised quite
a few questions about the federal government's priorities. Canberra has
been negotiating with the Indonesian government for a long time
to allow the five to return home after their lengthy
prison sentences. Meantime, an Adelaide family is still waiting for
answers after sixty five year old Anna Jenkins remains were
(00:21):
found on a Malaysian construction site more than two years
after she disappeared. Now should the Albanesi government be doing
more to find the answers? Joining Minaos, son of Anna Jenkins,
Greg Jenkins, Greg, good morning to you, Thanks for your time, Good.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Morning, thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Now. Background is, sir, what happened in your mother's case.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So, mum was kidnapped and murdered December thirteenth, twenty seventeen,
when she was on holidays in Malaysia. Since that time,
we've had to pretty much do all of the searching
o f fels and in twenty twenty I was able
to find parts of mums bones and possessions and we're
(01:08):
now going through the courts at this stage, and there's
quite a lot in between that of so many injustices
that we've experienced over the last seven years.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What sort of support did the government offer way back then?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We've just been constantly told that the fluff detat so
the Department of seign Fairs and Trade cannot and we'll
not get involved in over these states.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Really that seems quite remarkable. We get involved in so
many other cases, and as has been pointed out, you
know the Balley five has been or Bali nine, the
five that have come back to Australia. The government has
been in long term negotiations with the Indonesian government.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, we've seen so many cases of it, and I
guess this is our are main point. And I'm speaking
on behalf of Lacinda and Brittany sisk as well, whose father,
partner and a daughter were bound Gagger murdered in the Philippines.
And we're struggling with the with the same concept. It
doesn't seem to be the same level of support across
(02:19):
all cases. You just look at you know Chappelle Corby
for instance. You know the government went out of their
way to assist them. You've got Julian Assange, where Kevin
Rudds and the Albaneti government did whatever they could to
assist Julian Assange. Same with the Bali, the Balion, the
(02:43):
five guys returning. That just seems to be you know,
depending on how high profile that sort of themes, how
high profile your case is, will depend on what type
of support that that you do get.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The support should be there for anyone, whether it be
high profile or profile.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Surely, absolutely, And this is what I mean, like, this
isn't a self and tiled where you know, we expect
more than anyone else. What we're trying to stay from
our perspective is, you know, we would love for the
Australian government to speak, you know, to for Mum's case,
speak to the Malayan government and you know, the Malaysian
(03:23):
justice system and offer the same level of support that
have been given to convicted drug criminals overseas well.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, in your case, you're you're talking about someone who
was going about their business in an honest and fair
manner as opposed to people who are deliberately you know,
trafficking drugs.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, And there's no support system at all for
victims of crime overseas. So we're not entitled to and
not saying we're entitled to it, but we can't apply
for you know, victims of crime. There's no support services.
There's nothing in place, and I guess for a month's case,
but we're trying to ask. You know, the ASP had
(04:06):
the provision to do police police request we've got, you know,
the Australian government can you know, in accordance with their
own policies. They can raise issues with local authorities. You know,
they can have a look to see if we're getting
unforeseen delayed in our cases excester. So there's so many
(04:27):
things that they could do. It's just they they choose
not to and they can choose who they want to support.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh and there's no question on Australia has a good
working relationship with the Australian government and the Malaysian government. They
interact on many levels. This just seems to be a
no brainer. And so what is the official word what
you've obviously been in communication with DEFAT and say for
what is their their final word on the matter.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Exactly what I what I said before is they cannot
and will not get involved in overseas cases. And so
they have offered support in terms of turning.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Up to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The court cases and they have offered like a minimum
amount of assistance. When I was trying to get Mum's
remains from from Malaysia back to Australia, I found a
treaty between Australia and Malaysia where they can get mutual
(05:29):
assistance in criminal matters an exchange of notes, which means,
you know, they can ask for basic things like taking evidence,
identifying persons, they can examine objects and sights, and that's
what we're trying to do as well as is get
the police depolice assistance, the AFP and also DEFAT So what.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You're suggesting, effectively is all the Australian government has to
do is ask.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yes, wow, Yeah. It seems a simple. But we're only
able to find thirty four of Mum's bones and they
stop the search at the construction site because they wanted
to protect the profits of the developer, so they only
search for two days. So we're trying to, I guess,
(06:17):
push for a research of the construction site and hopefully
like there's the same level of support that you know,
a convicted drug criminal gets, you know myself with Sinda
and Britney fis, we're kind of hoping for the same level.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We have a federal election coming up, and that usually
makes governments and oppositions focus on issues that in the
past they can just push to one side. Have you
have you approached the opposition or local members to get
some sort of support from a political level.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yees. For the last seven years, I've been reaching out
to everyone, including Klie Palmer and Gina Reinhart all the
way through to foreign ministers. We've got Frank Pagello who's
been championed for us basically since he out there, and
he's flown to Malaysia with me to support the family.
(07:19):
But it just doesn't seem to be an appetite at
the special government level.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. Look, I'm gobsmacked. I must admit, Greg, I wish
there was some sort of advice i'd give you. You've given,
You've taken all the possible angles and leads. I think
giving publicity and shedding more light on it is more
likely to get action than not. And particularly in light
of the Bali nine stroke five, who seemed to have
(07:46):
been given an armchair ride home, and you know, we
want to know what they're going to get after this.
The government is taking credit for all that, and yet
you've got a case like Anna Jenkins and David Fisk
case where they don't seem to be in the least
bit interested.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, and that's all we're really, I guess calling for
is to make sure that the same level of commitment
from the Australian government is across everyone, like anyone that's
in trouble overseas should be able to reach out. And
as Anthony Alvinias he said, when Julians Sam's came back
(08:26):
like this, this is what Australians do. We help each other's. Okay,
well when does that start for after When did it
start for the Sis family?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Do you know you've been dealing with DFAT obviously Australian
Federal Police. I'm just trying to think and who is
the minister responsible? Is it the Attorney General?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, I'm just going back a step. I was informed
early on that I wasn't allowed for the two as
representatives in kal And. I was informed by defact that
I wasn't allowed to approach them or asked them any questions.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Sorry, you're not You're not allowed to have approached and
asked any questions.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yes, I thought, yeah, because I have to have I
have to have a meeting with him, just because I've
never dealt with you. At the time, one was still
a missing person that I've never dealt without my life.
And I asking questions and they inform me that, you know,
the AFP can't get involved in Malaysian cases. And I said, well,
can we just pretended in Australia, like give me some
(09:32):
options of what I should be doing. But yeah, I
was told that, yeah, I wasn't allowed to contact them.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Didn't you say that they have two AFP officers actually
based in kale Yes and yet they're not allowed to
speak on So what on the hell are they doing there?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I was told that they are therefore other matters and
that was That was about as far as the dot.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Look, it's I'm done.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's yeah, like some of the things that you know,
we've been told that for instance, you know, mum's been
accused of so many things, but drugs, going hiking for
the first time in sixty five years. You know, the
family's been accused of domestic violence. The chief of police
(10:22):
of the Panang District said that mum had just decided
to go walking and don't worry there's mangoes and bananas
in the jungle, so she'ld be out in a couple
of days. No need to worry, so I can go
back to Australia and reps. You know, I got told
that Mum has a right to disappear and the right
not to be found. I've had media outlets tell me
(10:43):
that Mum's story isn't quickworthy, so it's it's not enough
to continue running the story. Yeah, it's just so many.
There's so many hurdles that we've had to go through,
and I know that sis family are going through the
same issues as well.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So many dead ends. What personal expenses this come to,
What financial outlaw of you had to What money have
you had to spend virtually trying to another's situation.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So because the police didn't do any searching, we had
to do it ourselves. So between myself, my sister and
other family and friends, I've done fifty six I think
trips to Malaysia in the last seven years. We've had.
We're up to I think about eight hundred and sixty
(11:35):
thousand in travel, accommodation, hiring cars so we could travel around,
and court fees. I got fluod with another court fee.
So the project manager who found Mums remain ordered the
(11:59):
workers to move them, rebury them and never talk about
it again. So you know, he contaminated a crime scene,
he handled with evidence and he hit a cry from
the police. The High Court judge just struck them out
of the court case to say that they've got no, no,
nothing to answer for. And I should be grateful that
(12:19):
they eventually went to the police and they only did
that because it's my pressure. Then I got fined because
Mums should have put in the negligent claim, not me,
which doesn't even make sense, but you're l should.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Have put it it goodness gracious agree.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's what I mean, like we would we would
love a bit more support from from the Australian government
to step in and go you know what this is,
this is too far most definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Look as I said, well, you have a federal election
coming up, and it's interesting how politicians become more attuned
to issues. And I can assure you that we will
have government ministers and opposition members in the studio and
online between now and the election, which is could be
as early as March. So can you be listening and
(13:13):
you know and prompt us, but I will try to
ask the questions and just see if someone will take
action because this is hardly good enough.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Awes absolutely, and thank you very much for your time
and from all the support from everyone. I'm running a
social media campaign and we've just got flooded with so
many offers of support, so thank you very much for
having me on if.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
How can people get in touch Greg? If you've got
a social media but what's it on Facebook or what
are you running it on?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's on Facebook, and it's on TikTok, so on TikTok
it's jenks free and on facebook's Anna Jenkins or jan
Zy jen Xy and they can follow our story.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, best of luck, and I'm sure you'll get the
more overwhelming support and stay in touch and we'll all
see what we can do.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Awesome, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Greg Jenkins, son of Anna Jenkins. Quite a remarkable story,
isn't it. You would think government washes its hands and says, no,
not much we can do. We don't interfere with overseas
law cases, situations or court cases or whatever. Well they
don't have to interfere, but they can at least sit
in on it and lia Is at the highest levels,
and the fact that they haven't done that, As Greg suggests,
(14:27):
maybe it just wasn't high profile enough. It wasn't a chappelle.
Corby wasn't a young attractive woman, It wasn't the Balley Nine.
The two of them were executed for their crimes and
drugs and so forth. There It made front page, It
made the lead of all TV news services and radio
news services. But a case like this is just left
(14:49):
to fallow. Don't quite understand it.
Well. A controversial will return to our strata of the
remaining five members of the Bali Nine has raised quite
a few questions about the federal government's priorities. Canberra has
been negotiating with the Indonesian government for a long time
to allow the five to return home after their lengthy
prison sentences. Meantime, an Adelaide family is still waiting for
answers after sixty five year old Anna Jenkins remains were
(00:21):
found on a Malaysian construction site more than two years
after she disappeared. Now should the Albanesi government be doing
more to find the answers? Joining Minaos, son of Anna Jenkins,
Greg Jenkins, Greg, good morning to you, Thanks for your time, Good.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Morning, thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Now. Background is, sir, what happened in your mother's case.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So, mum was kidnapped and murdered December thirteenth, twenty seventeen,
when she was on holidays in Malaysia. Since that time,
we've had to pretty much do all of the searching
o f fels and in twenty twenty I was able
to find parts of mums bones and possessions and we're
(01:08):
now going through the courts at this stage, and there's
quite a lot in between that of so many injustices
that we've experienced over the last seven years.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
What sort of support did the government offer way back then?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We've just been constantly told that the fluff detat so
the Department of seign Fairs and Trade cannot and we'll
not get involved in over these states.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Really that seems quite remarkable. We get involved in so
many other cases, and as has been pointed out, you
know the Balley five has been or Bali nine, the
five that have come back to Australia. The government has
been in long term negotiations with the Indonesian government.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, we've seen so many cases of it, and I
guess this is our are main point. And I'm speaking
on behalf of Lacinda and Brittany sisk as well, whose father,
partner and a daughter were bound Gagger murdered in the Philippines.
And we're struggling with the with the same concept. It
doesn't seem to be the same level of support across
(02:19):
all cases. You just look at you know Chappelle Corby
for instance. You know the government went out of their
way to assist them. You've got Julian Assange, where Kevin
Rudds and the Albaneti government did whatever they could to
assist Julian Assange. Same with the Bali, the Balion, the
(02:43):
five guys returning. That just seems to be you know,
depending on how high profile that sort of themes, how
high profile your case is, will depend on what type
of support that that you do get.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The support should be there for anyone, whether it be
high profile or profile.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Surely, absolutely, And this is what I mean, like, this
isn't a self and tiled where you know, we expect
more than anyone else. What we're trying to stay from
our perspective is, you know, we would love for the
Australian government to speak, you know, to for Mum's case,
speak to the Malayan government and you know, the Malaysian
(03:23):
justice system and offer the same level of support that
have been given to convicted drug criminals overseas well.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, in your case, you're you're talking about someone who
was going about their business in an honest and fair
manner as opposed to people who are deliberately you know,
trafficking drugs.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, And there's no support system at all for
victims of crime overseas. So we're not entitled to and
not saying we're entitled to it, but we can't apply
for you know, victims of crime. There's no support services.
There's nothing in place, and I guess for a month's case,
but we're trying to ask. You know, the ASP had
(04:06):
the provision to do police police request we've got, you know,
the Australian government can you know, in accordance with their
own policies. They can raise issues with local authorities. You know,
they can have a look to see if we're getting
unforeseen delayed in our cases excester. So there's so many
(04:27):
things that they could do. It's just they they choose
not to and they can choose who they want to support.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh and there's no question on Australia has a good
working relationship with the Australian government and the Malaysian government. They
interact on many levels. This just seems to be a
no brainer. And so what is the official word what
you've obviously been in communication with DEFAT and say for
what is their their final word on the matter.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Exactly what I what I said before is they cannot
and will not get involved in overseas cases. And so
they have offered support in terms of turning.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Up to.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The court cases and they have offered like a minimum
amount of assistance. When I was trying to get Mum's
remains from from Malaysia back to Australia, I found a
treaty between Australia and Malaysia where they can get mutual
(05:29):
assistance in criminal matters an exchange of notes, which means,
you know, they can ask for basic things like taking evidence,
identifying persons, they can examine objects and sights, and that's
what we're trying to do as well as is get
the police depolice assistance, the AFP and also DEFAT So what.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You're suggesting, effectively is all the Australian government has to
do is ask.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yes, wow, Yeah. It seems a simple. But we're only
able to find thirty four of Mum's bones and they
stop the search at the construction site because they wanted
to protect the profits of the developer, so they only
search for two days. So we're trying to, I guess,
(06:17):
push for a research of the construction site and hopefully
like there's the same level of support that you know,
a convicted drug criminal gets, you know myself with Sinda
and Britney fis, we're kind of hoping for the same level.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We have a federal election coming up, and that usually
makes governments and oppositions focus on issues that in the
past they can just push to one side. Have you
have you approached the opposition or local members to get
some sort of support from a political level.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yees. For the last seven years, I've been reaching out
to everyone, including Klie Palmer and Gina Reinhart all the
way through to foreign ministers. We've got Frank Pagello who's
been championed for us basically since he out there, and
he's flown to Malaysia with me to support the family.
(07:19):
But it just doesn't seem to be an appetite at
the special government level.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. Look, I'm gobsmacked. I must admit, Greg, I wish
there was some sort of advice i'd give you. You've given,
You've taken all the possible angles and leads. I think
giving publicity and shedding more light on it is more
likely to get action than not. And particularly in light
of the Bali nine stroke five, who seemed to have
(07:46):
been given an armchair ride home, and you know, we
want to know what they're going to get after this.
The government is taking credit for all that, and yet
you've got a case like Anna Jenkins and David Fisk
case where they don't seem to be in the least
bit interested.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, and that's all we're really, I guess calling for
is to make sure that the same level of commitment
from the Australian government is across everyone, like anyone that's
in trouble overseas should be able to reach out. And
as Anthony Alvinias he said, when Julians Sam's came back
(08:26):
like this, this is what Australians do. We help each other's. Okay,
well when does that start for after When did it
start for the Sis family?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Do you know you've been dealing with DFAT obviously Australian
Federal Police. I'm just trying to think and who is
the minister responsible? Is it the Attorney General?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yes, I'm just going back a step. I was informed
early on that I wasn't allowed for the two as
representatives in kal And. I was informed by defact that
I wasn't allowed to approach them or asked them any questions.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Sorry, you're not You're not allowed to have approached and
asked any questions.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yes, I thought, yeah, because I have to have I
have to have a meeting with him, just because I've
never dealt with you. At the time, one was still
a missing person that I've never dealt without my life.
And I asking questions and they inform me that, you know,
the AFP can't get involved in Malaysian cases. And I said, well,
can we just pretended in Australia, like give me some
(09:32):
options of what I should be doing. But yeah, I
was told that, yeah, I wasn't allowed to contact them.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Didn't you say that they have two AFP officers actually
based in kale Yes and yet they're not allowed to
speak on So what on the hell are they doing there?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I was told that they are therefore other matters and
that was That was about as far as the dot.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Look, it's I'm done.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's yeah, like some of the things that you know,
we've been told that for instance, you know, mum's been
accused of so many things, but drugs, going hiking for
the first time in sixty five years. You know, the
family's been accused of domestic violence. The chief of police
(10:22):
of the Panang District said that mum had just decided
to go walking and don't worry there's mangoes and bananas
in the jungle, so she'ld be out in a couple
of days. No need to worry, so I can go
back to Australia and reps. You know, I got told
that Mum has a right to disappear and the right
not to be found. I've had media outlets tell me
(10:43):
that Mum's story isn't quickworthy, so it's it's not enough
to continue running the story. Yeah, it's just so many.
There's so many hurdles that we've had to go through,
and I know that sis family are going through the
same issues as well.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So many dead ends. What personal expenses this come to,
What financial outlaw of you had to What money have
you had to spend virtually trying to another's situation.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So because the police didn't do any searching, we had
to do it ourselves. So between myself, my sister and
other family and friends, I've done fifty six I think
trips to Malaysia in the last seven years. We've had.
We're up to I think about eight hundred and sixty
(11:35):
thousand in travel, accommodation, hiring cars so we could travel around,
and court fees. I got fluod with another court fee.
So the project manager who found Mums remain ordered the
(11:59):
workers to move them, rebury them and never talk about
it again. So you know, he contaminated a crime scene,
he handled with evidence and he hit a cry from
the police. The High Court judge just struck them out
of the court case to say that they've got no, no,
nothing to answer for. And I should be grateful that
(12:19):
they eventually went to the police and they only did
that because it's my pressure. Then I got fined because
Mums should have put in the negligent claim, not me,
which doesn't even make sense, but you're l should.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Have put it it goodness gracious agree.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's what I mean, like we would we would
love a bit more support from from the Australian government
to step in and go you know what this is,
this is too far most definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Look as I said, well, you have a federal election
coming up, and it's interesting how politicians become more attuned
to issues. And I can assure you that we will
have government ministers and opposition members in the studio and
online between now and the election, which is could be
as early as March. So can you be listening and
(13:13):
you know and prompt us, but I will try to
ask the questions and just see if someone will take
action because this is hardly good enough.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Awes absolutely, and thank you very much for your time
and from all the support from everyone. I'm running a
social media campaign and we've just got flooded with so
many offers of support, so thank you very much for
having me on if.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
How can people get in touch Greg? If you've got
a social media but what's it on Facebook or what
are you running it on?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's on Facebook, and it's on TikTok, so on TikTok
it's jenks free and on facebook's Anna Jenkins or jan
Zy jen Xy and they can follow our story.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Well, best of luck, and I'm sure you'll get the
more overwhelming support and stay in touch and we'll all
see what we can do.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Awesome, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Greg Jenkins, son of Anna Jenkins. Quite a remarkable story,
isn't it. You would think government washes its hands and says, no,
not much we can do. We don't interfere with overseas
law cases, situations or court cases or whatever. Well they
don't have to interfere, but they can at least sit
in on it and lia Is at the highest levels,
and the fact that they haven't done that, As Greg suggests,
(14:27):
maybe it just wasn't high profile enough. It wasn't a chappelle.
Corby wasn't a young attractive woman, It wasn't the Balley Nine.
The two of them were executed for their crimes and
drugs and so forth. There It made front page, It
made the lead of all TV news services and radio
news services. But a case like this is just left
(14:49):
to fallow. Don't quite understand it.
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