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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, a question I want to know is what's happening
to News and Current Affairs TV. Two of while Stradia's
longest running current affairs programs are being pulled from the air,
raising serious questions about the future of news driven television.
Channel ten has confirmed that the project will end on
June twenty seven, after more than four and a half
thousand episodes. Meanwhile, the ABC's flagship panel program Q and
(00:20):
A has been asked after seventeen seasons and over five
hundred episodes, and this is how the project announced its
acting earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
After sixteen years and nearly four and a half thousand.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Episodes, the project will very soon be no more.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I am so grateful that I got to sit on
this desk and play TV with all of you. It's
been such a fun thing to do. But you know,
it's the people who make a show, and the project
isn't just the people on this desk. It's the cast
and crew behind the scenes. They are the real stars
and talking you know, the producers, the editors, the cameramen
(00:58):
and women, the common rights, the floor crew, the people
in the control room, the director of the hair and
makeup team, all of them who work their guts out.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So what is happening to news and carent affairs TV?
Joining the oars media stable TV commentator Nick Hayes, Nick,
good morning to you, Good morning Graham.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's a little bit of a fair day for television.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well it is. I said on this program before that
it doesn't really matter whether you like the shows or
not or dipped in and out occasionally. The fact that
so many very talented people in front of the cameras
and behind the scenes are out of work.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, really good point. I was listening to your program
yesterday and a lot of cause calling in either love
it or hate it, it doesn't really matter. It was
the program that we're delivering news a little differently. It
was a program designed to capture the eighteen to thirty
five age group sixteen years ago. It was really quite
innovative and brand new, and it did capture a nation.
(01:54):
At its peak, it was producing anything up to one
point one to one point two million viewers around the country.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Now that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That is that's well when you compare that to the
AFL Grand Final that hits around three million viewers across
across the country. But you know, you're talking half an
AFL Grand Final, which is an amazing result, but we
know that the numbers haven't been there and that's been
partly because there is a lot of competition now today
for the eighteen to thirty five years, they're not necessarily
(02:24):
watching TV. We should also forget that Channel ten is
owned by Paramount and they're about to also do a
massive merger with sky Dance Studios and they're being instructed
to have a three and a half percent cull of
all their stuff. So the project was an easy target
for them to take off their.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Would it have been an expensive program?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Very expensive, very expensive at Graham, It's just what it is.
It's not just the people that are just sitting on
the desk, and there's some big pay packets that were
sitting on that desk, but it's the people behind the
scenes as well. And as you heard Sarah Harris say,
it's the people behind the scenes, it's the producers. When
the project started, it was just a Melbourne show and
(03:10):
a Melbourne show that was broadcasting nationally, but it then
went into Sydney. There's over one hundred people that were
working on that show. And we did hear from the
boss of Channel ten saying of that hundred staff, fifty
will lose their jobs and fifty will move into other
spaces within the network.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean, it is a shame, but the commercial reality
is if the not enough eyes glued to the set,
revenue falls and listeners, viewers disappear, go elsewhere, and it
becomes uneconomic to keep running. But what about when it
comes to Q and A. Now we're talking about the
ABC here. They're not reliant on funding other than from
(03:50):
the government, So why did they pull upin on Q
and A.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It's an interesting question because I don't remember you or
I getting a call or a letter saying what did
we think of Q and A whether we should pull
it off or not? Because it's actually a public funded program.
I think Q and A partly its viewership had dropped dramatically,
and no doubting about that. It hasn't reached the numbers
that it was hoping for another very expensive program to
(04:16):
put together. And if you're going to look at the ABC,
the ABC probably were looking at the cost of living
crisis that's going on and the cost of putting together
a show like that. They have definitely sort of called
called it how they saw it and then decided that
this is a show that they're going to have to
let go. But ABCQ and A was one of the
very first innovative programs that was using Twitter now x
(04:39):
to integrate into the program and really challenge some of
the topics and issues that were going on. But you'll
hear from some of your listeners today they will say
that it was two left wings exact. Yeah, the program
was very much for first nations to talk about climate change,
all the really big issues that do affect people. But
(05:03):
it's not necessarily challenging some of the things that are
happening day to day for people that will be listening
to this program.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I think most reasonable people don't mind hearing contrary views.
In fact, they welcome it. But the feeling that we
get the feedback to this program is it was all
so left leaning and the word woke keeps cropping up
and people just had enough.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah they do. I was fortunate also that was tune
into Steve Price on Your Afternoon program too, and he
did talk about it at a time where he was
actually cornered and probably representing more right wing conservative views. Look,
we as human beings need more content like this, We
need more information put in front of us so that
(05:46):
we can make educated decisions no matter what position or
what bias we might have. But if we're well informed,
we can make those educated decisions. And maybe abc Q
and A did have a bit of an a gena
to head towards a more left leaning approach, but it
will be sadly missed. I think it is a program
and programs like that which do challenge some of the thinking,
(06:10):
some of the ways that we go about our work,
our day, our life, and then you know it does
we will lose that part. But I think what we
will find moving forward is that programs that are far
more cost effective, programs where there is maybe only one
host with lots of experts and commentators that give us
(06:31):
a good round and sound view of what's going on,
will be what we'll be seeing more of in the future.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I think you've hit it on the head there. As
I said, I don't think people mind hearing views that
are contrary to theirs, but if it's all coming from
one side, whether it be left leaning or right leaning
or on the middle, I think most reasonable people say, well,
let's hear the arguments from all sides and then I'll
make up my own mind.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, absolutely, I think it's exactly what we're after, and
I think we need more of it. You know, you
just can't sit there and consume Sky News after dark
and then or on the opposite side of the spectrum,
just sit there and consume the ABC media. You need
a little bit of everything to make well rounded, good decisions.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So, Nick, what do you see as the future for
free toow are television? Because streaming has and just people
having access online and social media and thekers really impacted
free to air television. The numbers watching free tow are
are way way down on years gone by. So is
there a long term future for free to air?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh? There certainly is. There, certainly is, Graham. And I'm
more confident about it, more buoyant about it, not just
because I'm in the industry, but I think that free
to air places such an important part of everyone's consumption
of content. And in one way, Graham, social media is
actually killing social media. Social media is so full of
(07:51):
no regulation, no balance. People are sitting in silos and
just consuming content that they think is right and what
is sits and fits with them, but they're not getting
the full picture. And I think that's the important role
that traditional media plays and free to wear television, radio
and print has still got many days in front of it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
With social media, with all the algorithms and like, you
get fed stuff that you think, well, this is this
is what the people are thinking. But they're just giving
you what you are thinking or want to think. So
with at least freeware television, you get a pretty balanced view.
You can suggest that there's leaning one way or the other,
but you can make up your own opinion. With social media,
(08:34):
the stuff that keeps being fed to you is just
feeding your preconceived ideas.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You're spot on, Graham. It's news that you want that
you're getting through social media, not necessarily news that you need.
And that's the viginitive. That's the definition of a well rounded,
an educated decision that we have. And programs like yours
will give us views and will give us opinions. We
don't always have to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We don't And oh yes, Nick, come on, be fair,
I'm looking for the dump button here.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
They don't need to dump me, Graham, because I'm a
massive fan of yours. But look, you can. You don't
have to agree or disagree, but what you have to
do is just consume it and then make your own
mind up and decisions. And I think that's when you
really are becoming a very well rounded person. And that's
something for the youth and the young people as well,
because Snapchat and Instagram and all of those social media
(09:28):
platforms that are out there aren't just the solo place,
but it's where they do consume now and they will
mature and start consuming traditional media moving forward when they
buy a house, when they buy a car, or when
they need to find out what is really going on
in the world.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Nick, thanks so much for your insight today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Good on your Gram.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That's Nickay's media stable, director and TV commentator five Double
A Mornings with Graham Goodings
Well, a question I want to know is what's happening
to News and Current Affairs TV. Two of while Stradia's
longest running current affairs programs are being pulled from the air,
raising serious questions about the future of news driven television.
Channel ten has confirmed that the project will end on
June twenty seven, after more than four and a half
thousand episodes. Meanwhile, the ABC's flagship panel program Q and
(00:20):
A has been asked after seventeen seasons and over five
hundred episodes, and this is how the project announced its
acting earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
After sixteen years and nearly four and a half thousand.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Episodes, the project will very soon be no more.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I am so grateful that I got to sit on
this desk and play TV with all of you. It's
been such a fun thing to do. But you know,
it's the people who make a show, and the project
isn't just the people on this desk. It's the cast
and crew behind the scenes. They are the real stars
and talking you know, the producers, the editors, the cameramen
(00:58):
and women, the common rights, the floor crew, the people
in the control room, the director of the hair and
makeup team, all of them who work their guts out.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So what is happening to news and carent affairs TV?
Joining the oars media stable TV commentator Nick Hayes, Nick,
good morning to you, Good morning Graham.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's a little bit of a fair day for television.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well it is. I said on this program before that
it doesn't really matter whether you like the shows or
not or dipped in and out occasionally. The fact that
so many very talented people in front of the cameras
and behind the scenes are out of work.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, really good point. I was listening to your program
yesterday and a lot of cause calling in either love
it or hate it, it doesn't really matter. It was
the program that we're delivering news a little differently. It
was a program designed to capture the eighteen to thirty
five age group sixteen years ago. It was really quite
innovative and brand new, and it did capture a nation.
(01:54):
At its peak, it was producing anything up to one
point one to one point two million viewers around the country.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Now that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
That is that's well when you compare that to the
AFL Grand Final that hits around three million viewers across
across the country. But you know, you're talking half an
AFL Grand Final, which is an amazing result, but we
know that the numbers haven't been there and that's been
partly because there is a lot of competition now today
for the eighteen to thirty five years, they're not necessarily
(02:24):
watching TV. We should also forget that Channel ten is
owned by Paramount and they're about to also do a
massive merger with sky Dance Studios and they're being instructed
to have a three and a half percent cull of
all their stuff. So the project was an easy target
for them to take off their.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Would it have been an expensive program?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Very expensive, very expensive at Graham, It's just what it is.
It's not just the people that are just sitting on
the desk, and there's some big pay packets that were
sitting on that desk, but it's the people behind the
scenes as well. And as you heard Sarah Harris say,
it's the people behind the scenes, it's the producers. When
the project started, it was just a Melbourne show and
(03:10):
a Melbourne show that was broadcasting nationally, but it then
went into Sydney. There's over one hundred people that were
working on that show. And we did hear from the
boss of Channel ten saying of that hundred staff, fifty
will lose their jobs and fifty will move into other
spaces within the network.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean, it is a shame, but the commercial reality
is if the not enough eyes glued to the set,
revenue falls and listeners, viewers disappear, go elsewhere, and it
becomes uneconomic to keep running. But what about when it
comes to Q and A. Now we're talking about the
ABC here. They're not reliant on funding other than from
(03:50):
the government, So why did they pull upin on Q
and A.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It's an interesting question because I don't remember you or
I getting a call or a letter saying what did
we think of Q and A whether we should pull
it off or not? Because it's actually a public funded program.
I think Q and A partly its viewership had dropped dramatically,
and no doubting about that. It hasn't reached the numbers
that it was hoping for another very expensive program to
(04:16):
put together. And if you're going to look at the ABC,
the ABC probably were looking at the cost of living
crisis that's going on and the cost of putting together
a show like that. They have definitely sort of called
called it how they saw it and then decided that
this is a show that they're going to have to
let go. But ABCQ and A was one of the
very first innovative programs that was using Twitter now x
(04:39):
to integrate into the program and really challenge some of
the topics and issues that were going on. But you'll
hear from some of your listeners today they will say
that it was two left wings exact. Yeah, the program
was very much for first nations to talk about climate change,
all the really big issues that do affect people. But
(05:03):
it's not necessarily challenging some of the things that are
happening day to day for people that will be listening
to this program.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I think most reasonable people don't mind hearing contrary views.
In fact, they welcome it. But the feeling that we
get the feedback to this program is it was all
so left leaning and the word woke keeps cropping up
and people just had enough.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah they do. I was fortunate also that was tune
into Steve Price on Your Afternoon program too, and he
did talk about it at a time where he was
actually cornered and probably representing more right wing conservative views. Look,
we as human beings need more content like this, We
need more information put in front of us so that
(05:46):
we can make educated decisions no matter what position or
what bias we might have. But if we're well informed,
we can make those educated decisions. And maybe abc Q
and A did have a bit of an a gena
to head towards a more left leaning approach, but it
will be sadly missed. I think it is a program
and programs like that which do challenge some of the thinking,
(06:10):
some of the ways that we go about our work,
our day, our life, and then you know it does
we will lose that part. But I think what we
will find moving forward is that programs that are far
more cost effective, programs where there is maybe only one
host with lots of experts and commentators that give us
(06:31):
a good round and sound view of what's going on,
will be what we'll be seeing more of in the future.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I think you've hit it on the head there. As
I said, I don't think people mind hearing views that
are contrary to theirs, but if it's all coming from
one side, whether it be left leaning or right leaning
or on the middle, I think most reasonable people say, well,
let's hear the arguments from all sides and then I'll
make up my own mind.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, absolutely, I think it's exactly what we're after, and
I think we need more of it. You know, you
just can't sit there and consume Sky News after dark
and then or on the opposite side of the spectrum,
just sit there and consume the ABC media. You need
a little bit of everything to make well rounded, good decisions.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So, Nick, what do you see as the future for
free toow are television? Because streaming has and just people
having access online and social media and thekers really impacted
free to air television. The numbers watching free tow are
are way way down on years gone by. So is
there a long term future for free to air?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh? There certainly is. There, certainly is, Graham. And I'm
more confident about it, more buoyant about it, not just
because I'm in the industry, but I think that free
to air places such an important part of everyone's consumption
of content. And in one way, Graham, social media is
actually killing social media. Social media is so full of
(07:51):
no regulation, no balance. People are sitting in silos and
just consuming content that they think is right and what
is sits and fits with them, but they're not getting
the full picture. And I think that's the important role
that traditional media plays and free to wear television, radio
and print has still got many days in front of it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
With social media, with all the algorithms and like, you
get fed stuff that you think, well, this is this
is what the people are thinking. But they're just giving
you what you are thinking or want to think. So
with at least freeware television, you get a pretty balanced view.
You can suggest that there's leaning one way or the other,
but you can make up your own opinion. With social media,
(08:34):
the stuff that keeps being fed to you is just
feeding your preconceived ideas.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You're spot on, Graham. It's news that you want that
you're getting through social media, not necessarily news that you need.
And that's the viginitive. That's the definition of a well rounded,
an educated decision that we have. And programs like yours
will give us views and will give us opinions. We
don't always have to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We don't And oh yes, Nick, come on, be fair,
I'm looking for the dump button here.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
They don't need to dump me, Graham, because I'm a
massive fan of yours. But look, you can. You don't
have to agree or disagree, but what you have to
do is just consume it and then make your own
mind up and decisions. And I think that's when you
really are becoming a very well rounded person. And that's
something for the youth and the young people as well,
because Snapchat and Instagram and all of those social media
(09:28):
platforms that are out there aren't just the solo place,
but it's where they do consume now and they will
mature and start consuming traditional media moving forward when they
buy a house, when they buy a car, or when
they need to find out what is really going on
in the world.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Nick, thanks so much for your insight today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Good on your Gram.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That's Nickay's media stable, director and TV commentator five Double
A Mornings with Graham Goodings
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