July 31, 2025 • 59 mins
I feel like I've designed my life to be a very stress-free experience... Zeta Graves shares on this episode with host, Nicole Swisher. Join Zeta and Nicole as they chat about:
- Mental health benefits from improv (soooo good for anxiety)
- Building confidence through improv
- The fear of deep water and poisonous creatures in the south
- Accepting the uncertainty of life
- Using AI in the legal field
Catch Zeta's improv team, Location Island, at Third Coast Comedy Club in Nashville on July 31st at 9pm — a 45-minute improvised reality TV show where audience members can submit their confessions for the performers to explore.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to my crunchy zen era.
My guest today is Zeta Graves.
Hi, zeta, welcome, thank you.
I had a moment where I was like, did I get your last name?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
wrong.
Nope, that was it.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, perfect.
So what's something?
Crunchy or zen that you've donelately.
What's something?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
crunchy or zen that you've done lately.
Not really a crunchy person, Iwould say my whole life is
pretty zen.
To be honest, I feel like I'vedesigned it to be a very
stress-free experience formyself.
Where you know work from home,my main hobby is, like improv
(00:48):
and embroidery which is justhanging out.
I actually didn't know you didembroidery, oh.
I, I love embroidery, some crossstitching too embroidery like
shirts, or I'm working on a hatright now cool yeah um, I'm
trying to picture an embroideredhat and I can't, so I just
bought like a plain baseball hatand then I'm like embroidering,
I'm doing a little succulenttheme.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
on it, I was imagining a beanie and I was
just like I could probably do abeanie too.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It might be harder, but if you want a beanie, I was
like I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I don't think they're embroidered that often.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I don't know, oh, like they're embroidered that
often.
I don't know, oh, like makingone.
I think they're probablyknitted.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Probably I don't know enough about this craft.
Mostly I do improv.
We love that.
Yeah, hold me to that.
Yeah, great.
And so what is a memory thatyou would love to relive?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I had a camping trip with a group of friends on this
beautiful piece of land inColorado and it was like me and
my closest friends, and weplayed this game that my husband
and his friends had made upbefore, like a made up game.
It's called Spoople.
Wait, say it again, it's calledSpoople.
It's a made up game, spoople.
(02:03):
Where you, you like, balance onsomething like a log or a rock,
but you're in a circle,everyone's balancing, and you're
throwing a frisbee or a ball,um, and if somebody misses, the
whole group starts yellingeither bad catch or bad throw,
depending on the group'sagreement.
Okay, was it a bad catch or badthrow?
That person has to like run tothe center, do some type of you
(02:26):
know like shot, or I think wemade it kind of improv.
We were like you have to listfive things of whatever and like
run back before everyone canthrow the ball around the circle
, um, but it was so.
It was so like it brought me solike childhood feelings of
playing outdoors.
We're in the mountains playinga made-up game.
(02:49):
Everyone brought their dogs.
There's dogs running around.
If I ever think of what's myhappy place, it's that camping
trip, and playing this made-upgame with my friends is a very,
very good time.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I feel like there's so much in that of like being in
nature, just having fun, like,yeah, no rule, I mean somewhat
rules, but also you made it upright, it's like made up game
rules.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah yeah, being with friends and it was like I.
I want to say maybe it hadrained, so it was like cool, but
the sun was back out, just likeeverything was so perfect and
just magical feeling, and yeah,it was very, it was very nice.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I love that.
Yeah, now I want to go be innature.
I can't go play spoople maybe.
I was walking around today andI was like I should go touch a
tree and do some grounding good,yeah, there's a lot of traffic
going on and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I know I don't feel like I have done much nature
stuff since moving to Nashville,oh really, and I, russell, and
I my husband, Because you areinto that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Very, very much.
So we were talking about thisrecently and I was saying like I
I feel like it's because Idon't know the outdoors here,
like I very much know all theanimals in Colorado, what to
expect weather-wise, all thatstuff, and I'm like I don't know
.
There's like snakes and there'sso there's a lot more lushness.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Because, you know, things hide in lushness.
It's beautiful, but they hidein there.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
They hide and there's ticks, and you know, I just
feel like I'm still kind of illprepared to go out into nature.
How long has it been now?
Um, about a year and a half.
Okay, so like I should learn.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think you should.
We could go, we could you cancome with me.
I did a lot of googling becauseI felt the same.
Yeah, come from Minnesota.
It's like the poisonous things,like can't make it there
because it's so cold.
Yeah, so the snake thing was abig deal for me and I've learned
to like pay attention yeah notthat I've ever had anything
happen here I did in Yosemite.
(04:57):
There was a giant rattlesnakesee rattlesnakes, I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I had rattlesnakes in Colorado.
I'm fine, you're like.
I'm okay with it.
Well no.
I think this goes back to likeI know about them, so I
understand, like if I'm tooclose they'll rattle.
Okay, that's fine.
I don't know.
What do you have Like cottonmouths here or something?
I don't even know what, I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't to like.
Stay away from snakes yeah,well, that's good.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
See, imagine me walking through the forest.
I don't want to be aware, so,so don't, shouldn't go out there
yet, okay this is so like whenI hike with summer she's super
unaware as well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, so we have a system where I go in front
because I'm super aware, and theone time she's she like started
wandering in front is when shealmost stepped on this
rattlesnake who we named berthaand we have pictures of, and it
was like I stopped her rightbefore and I was like I feel
like I heard something.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Good job, terrifying, oh my gosh, yeah, so again not
here in the line and that'll begood and I'll go out, because I,
I do.
Really I know that there's likecool cave systems yeah, I
haven't done that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, I want to.
I want to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I know there's waterfalls that are nearby that
I want to see there's a lot thatI do want to be involved.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
There's so many things I think you would love
yeah, like Cummins Falls isamazing let's South.
Cumberland Park is amazing.
Let's go.
Okay, we've got so many thingswe've got an agenda yes, we do.
But on the poisonous thingsyeah, so my dad was visiting
with my nephew and my dad islike I don't know if he's like
(06:34):
really afraid of poisonousthings or he's really afraid of
the possibility.
But every time he's like nicole,I saw a spider in your bathroom
and I was, and he's like youneed to have them come in and
spray.
And then my roommate's like,yeah, there's spider webs in the
garage.
He's from Oregon and I'm likeyou guys need to calm down.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, there's some good spiders, I was gonna say,
are there.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
See, I don't even know there's recluse, brown
recluses, yeah, but like thoseare really specific, yeah.
So, anyway, we had brownrecluse.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We had a lot of black widows in Colorado, we had a
lot of black widows Yikes.
Okay, we should move on fromthis topic.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
This is not.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Zen for anyone?
This is not Zen, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
This is my grab bag question.
Okay, um, okay, this is my grabbag question.
Okay, fancy little bag.
Ooh, it's my.
My Minnesota accent comes outwhenever I say that it's like
the word I get made of fun ohwhat's your most irrational fear
(07:44):
?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh man.
Well, all my fears areextremely rational.
Oh man, irrational fears Iprobably have, like I think the
ocean is pretty spooky, but Idon't think that's that
irrational.
I don't think that's irrational, because why are we going so
deep in there?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Like I'll swim in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I will.
I like a little ocean swim umbut like I don't like even scuba
diving, I'm like that's too far, I'll snorkel, I won't scuba
dive.
No, that's I don't.
I don't feel like we belongdown there.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Um, my concern is like what if you have to get up
fast?
But then there's that like thebends yes, yeah, I was gonna say
the bubble thing yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Is that what it is?
I don't know.
There's bubbles and water in myblood suddenly and then I'm
yeah where did they come from?
Yeah, no one can say yeah, Iyeah yeah I so I don't know
pretty rational fear.
Yeah, um, I don't know, I don'tthink I like have many, uh,
day-to-day fears.
I don't know I don't think Ilike have many day-to-day fears.
I don't, you know, I don't likebugs, but I wouldn't say I'm
(08:47):
not afraid of them, I'm justmore like stay away Personal
space yeah.
Yeah, that's fair.
How about you, nicole, so many?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Phillip and I talked about this on like a couple
episodes ago so I won't likebore everybody with it.
Wait, yeah, it was with philip,but mine is like that there's
something in a pool that'll getyou in a pool.
Yeah, it's like dirty and scary, oh okay, but they don't
actually have to be dirty andscary it just has to be deep,
(09:22):
yeah, funny.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Funny.
Both water, deep water.
I don't like deep water.
We shouldn't be.
I mean, I do to an extent.
For me it's mostly I'm like theocean, no go.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, ocean is like.
I like the sound of it, I likebeing by it, but I do get like
nervous, even just being in likeup to my knees or something.
Yeah, being in like up to myknees or something, yeah,
there's sharks.
There's definitely sharks.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I, you know and I all of my ocean experiences in
California, so I feel like Ihaven't had too many shark works
.
I know they're not sharks.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And you know, don't tell me if there are.
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
My life in ignorance, and then I can keep going in
the ocean there, probably are?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think there are.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think it's just a lot more common in like the gulf
and florida areas that thereare sharks.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I feel like we hear more about the shark attacks
yeah, in that area yeah, andmaui I've heard, but maybe okay,
when I went to hawaii Ispecifically looked it up.
Right, it was like most sharkattacks are like Maui, the big
island, and I was on Oahu.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So I was like I'm fine, the sharks don't even like
water.
You can get in the water, it'sfine yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
They were trying to teach me to surf.
And one I did not have theupper body strength, and I want
to say it's because I was inhigh school at the time but I
still don't.
And two all I could think aboutwas like, do I look like a seal
?
Like am I going?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
to get attacked, so I never got up.
It was not.
I've been like boogie boardingin the ocean, but surfing,
that's hard, really hard yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I don't know how.
Yeah, I've tried.
Yeah, it was like one time, butbut hey, you tried it, I tried
yeah.
I think the guy was just likethis is not what I intended to
spend.
I intended to spend my life.
It's like I'm really sorry.
He's like try harder.
And I was like this is all Igot.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's helpful, thank you yep yeah, no, surfing,
surfing's hard, so I don't thinkanyone gets it on their first
try.
That's probably not true, andthere's athletes out there who,
I'm sure, make it look easythere's athletes who can make
everything look easy.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So today we're going to talk about improv.
Yay, and partly because we metin improv, I decided to get over
my fear and try level one, andthen I did half of level two for
reasons to not be this closetoday.
No, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I only finished level three, so you didn't go further
.
I joined a team and they met atthe same time that I was doing
classes.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh, that's right, and .
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I was kind of like I'd rather just do the team team
that performs, and then we havelike coaches that come in too,
so that's fun.
It still feels like I'm, yeah,learning.
When did you first try improv?
I want to say, um, maybe 2021,2022, in Colorado Springs.
Um, there was a reddit post inthe Colorado Springs subreddit
(12:29):
um, that was just advertisingthis improv class, um.
So my husband got me.
He like bought me the classesfor my birthday and I was like
very nervous because I was likea fan of comedy and I had done
other like public speakingthings before.
I was like a debate kid growingup so like, yeah, a lot of
(12:49):
public, were you theater or justI was.
I was kind of a theater kid butnot, you know, not like fully
in it.
I was always like some type ofsmall supporting part.
Um, never got the lead.
The year I got the lead, mysenior year, everyone in the
cast had like various problems,had to drop out and the play got
canceled.
(13:10):
So I never got to be the lead.
There's some sad zeta lore, um,but I was like nervous to go
into it and then I was addictedyeah.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I've never stopped since so I think it'd be
interesting to talk about whatthat first class is, because I
was extremely nervous too, yeah,and like.
So my therapist was like youshould try improv to help with
some of this like intenseanxiety going on in your head
and like do something creative.
But instead I did stand upbecause I was like you can
(13:41):
prepare for that.
So to me.
What was scary is like withimprov, like what if you're up
there and you just can't thinkof anything at all and you're
just standing there and then youhave flashbacks to high school?
Of some sort so I don't know.
I feel like that's not what wasscary about it to you.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know, I I think I'm just kind of a baby about
new things, um, and then as soonas I I get like nervous about
new things I love doing newthings, though, so I just part
of it, I think is I like havingthat like what's gonna happen,
and it happens, and I'm like yay, yeah um, but I think it was
just kind of like the unknown,you know like what's gonna
(14:19):
happen.
and it's so funny looking backnow, because I'm like there's no
friendlier, more welcoming of aspace than a level one in a
prof class.
That is the definition of likethe sweetest instructors and the
most welcoming of meeting youwhere you're at, and everyone's
(14:41):
scared.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, because if you're in a level one,
everyone's just like Everyone'snew.
Yeah, yeah, they're all worried, yeah we're all worrying about
ourselves, and then we find out,like you're supposed to just
like focus on the other person,which is great so helpful and I
feel like it.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
it does help remove that anxiety really quickly
because by the nature of improvyou're very focused on being in
the moment and listening andresponding.
And when you're in the momentyou're not really worried about
other things because you're justlistening and responding and
the next thing you know time'sgone by.
You're done with your firstimprov class.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I think I had the picture of Michael Scott
Like I think a lot of people doRight and I was like is that?
Really what it is and it's not.
I had the picture of MichaelScott Like I think a lot of
people do Right and I was likeis that really what it is and
it's not?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean some of it is actually there have been moments
, yeah, okay, I was about to saysomething.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You don't normally get someone like that and then I
was like but you also dosometimes.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You know, improv can especially like early level
classes.
I feel like there are somepeople because there's lots of
things that draw people toimprov and for some it is like a
therapeutic setting and thatcomes out in some of their
scenes.
I think usually, though, as youprogress, that falls off.
(16:04):
But I think everyone kind ofgoes through that initial phase
of improv where you say kind ofstuff where you're like why,
like you're making like bathroomjokes, and you're like that's
like, why would I?
Um, yeah, and then you kind ofget over that, like you get out
all the bad ideas.
That's what we even say inpractice is like we'll like run
a scene and then be like, okay,got out all the bad words like
(16:26):
now we can do a real thing.
Yeah, um, but I think you, yeah,you get a lot of characters, um
, yeah, but some of that isgreat because it forces you to
be a better improviser, I think,when you're partnered with
someone like that, because thenall you can do like yes, yes,
and we do love bacon yeah, Ifeel like the first class.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I was so relieved because it was mostly just like
these games of like I think wemight have done like one thing
where we went up and like rantedabout something, yeah, but that
wasn't that big of a deal,right, but then a lot of the
interactions were just games ina circle and it wasn't so
(17:16):
focused on just you, right, andso I found that really helpful
of like you sort of built up thecamaraderie or something before
yeah, you performed, yeah, andthen what was so interesting to
me is I always had the like yesand that's.
I feel like everyone hears that.
But then it was like don'tthink about what you're gonna
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say next.
Just like you said, focus onthe person across from you and
respond, and like I keptreminding myself of that to like
not be so worried, and thatreally helped me a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I feel like it.
I really love that feeling,especially like right after a
show, because it's such adifferent mental state to be in
when you're like so focused onthis just happened.
I'm going to respond to thething that just happened.
Maybe in a show you're likethinking about what happened
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prior and tying it all together,but it's such a beautiful state
of like flow kind of, whereyou're just so in the moment in
a way that I don't think you'reusually in.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I think so.
Do you remember our last classand we had, like we had to say
all the things you weren'tsupposed to do, yes, and then in
our last scenes, like all Icould think of were the things I
wasn't supposed to do.
So those were the things Iwasn't supposed to do, so those
were the things I was doing andI was like I don't think I've
(18:48):
learned anything from this, andit was like a guest instructor,
because our instructor couldn'tbe there and I was like yeah, I
was like, well, this was not howI wanted to end but you know
what?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
it's fine because it was a guest instructor so he
probably doesn't remember me.
Yeah, it's fine, any of ourclass.
Yeah, one what?
It's fine because it was aguest instructor, so he probably
doesn't remember me.
Yeah, it's fine, any of ourclass.
Yeah, one class it's great.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And then we sat in a little powwow circle and shared
our feelings.
We did.
I feel like that's a little bitof a cliche or not cliche a
stereotype.
It is it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is um and there's.
It's funny because I you knowhalf of me I really like that
aspect of the improv community.
It is like very kind of theaterkid community, but I also I
like it more than the theaterkid aspects because it's still a
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comedy community.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I feel like, especially with the teams I'm on
now, there's because I'm a, youknow, I like to make fun of
people and have them.
You know, I like that aspect ofcomedy of the like we're gonna
rib each other and we're we'rejoking, so it's okay.
Um, and I feel like I've foundthat with my teams in a way that
is not really appropriate to doin classes, and I enjoy that
(20:08):
element of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So you have two teams .
Now how often do you like gettogether and what do those
practices look like?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Mostly weekly for both of those teams.
One of my team's worst casescenario we've been've been
working with different coachesum, which has been.
I love that.
I love when we have like acoach come in.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Are they?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
acting coaches or different.
We had an acting coach and thenour last two have been like
improv specific coaches, um,which has been really nice,
cause there's lots of you knowthere's, so it's an art form.
So of course there's alwayssomething new to learn and
things to tweak, um, but it'sreally great to hear those
different perspectives on whatwe're doing and things to work
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and ways to, ways to improve onthe areas where we're like
something seems not right withour opening or like why does in
the middle something, somethinghappen?
And then the coach can watchand say, oh, it's because of xyz
, yeah, um, so I love that.
And then location island weactually had practice last night
, um, and those practices arejust fun because it's an
(21:15):
improvised reality tv show, soit's, yes, um, kind of everyone
on their worst behavior, becausewe're, you know, parodying
reality tv, um, but we havesomeone who plays a producer and
we switch that up each practiceso we all get a chance to
produce, but they'll throwdifferent, you know, like, and
we use each other's real namesis the fun thing.
(21:37):
So it'll be, um, like zeta.
Did you know that nikki and andJosh were like talking smack
about you behind your back?
And it's so funny to hear likeyour real name used in an improv
scene where usually we'replaying characters and in this
case we're kind of like justcaricatures, but it's still very
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much us based but playing likeour worst selves, based on
suggestions that that we getfrom the audience okay, so so
when you, so you guys are atthird coast comedy club, right,
which that's where we took ourclasses shout out, shout out,
there goes and so when you have,how does it start?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
like when you're on the stage, like someone just
comes out and you're like thisis what the reality show is.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We, um, we start by asking.
When people come in, we askthem to write down on a slip of
paper something that they wantto get off their chest oh, Um.
And we've gotten some veryserious answers.
We just recently got somethinglike I'm jealous that my best
friend is happily married oh,wow, um.
(22:46):
And we've also gotten peoplewho write down like cheese um,
like bike riders in Nashville ingroups apparently?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
yeah, that would be mine right now.
Yeah, where are they coming?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
from.
So it's.
The answers vary wildly.
Yeah, um, but we asked them towrite that down and then, when
we take the stage, whoever isproducing introduces the show
and we introduce it to be kindof like we're a couple seasons
into this reality show, likehere's the cast.
You know, we're all like posingum.
We get a location from the.
(23:18):
Our show is called locationisland, so we get a location um.
Usually they kind of give ussome more beachy, but we've also
had, we've had place dang and Ican't, of course.
Oh, someone said antigua, towhich we all looked at each
other and went where is thatthere's antigua?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
isn't that like in the caribbean?
Did you ever look it up?
I did did because I feel likeit's in like pirates of of the
Caribbean or something OK.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I want to say there were like a couple Antiguas.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
So we, of course, we just made stuff up and went with
it.
But we get a.
Could the audience tell youdidn't know?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Probably, but we did our best.
And I like, when we get asuggestion like Greece and I'm
like I've heard of that one andthen we so then what we uh like
confessionals from last week iskind of the uh premise.
So we'll like draw a line.
(24:15):
That's like each of us drawsone of the lines and that's our
very first line of the show andthen, based on what we draw, we
like build our character and ouropening confessional moment to
the camera.
Based on that, that's cool.
Um, and then it's really justscenes between the housemates
the producer, just scenesbetween the housemates the
(24:38):
producer lobbing secrets orsaying like, oh, I see, like
Zeta and David, oh, davidBeeman's on our cast now.
Um, so it'll be someone sayinglike Zeta and David, like it
seems like you two are fighting,like why don't you go have an
outing together and work on yourrelationship?
or you know, whatever it is orum, you know, and they'll kind
of the producer will kind ofguide us through what would
happen on one of those types ofreality shows.
But we also have people whenthey produce who like to do more
(25:00):
challenged based things.
So they'll put us in like acooking competition, or I think
we were in like a Mr Beastcompetition in one.
So it varies based on who'sproducing, which is also a lot
of fun as a cast member, if Iwere the producer, I would want
you guys to do.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Love is blind.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I don't know how that would work but I love that show
so much I would actually Ithink that would be so funny to
have two improvisers with, like,their back backs turned to each
other, to like build up thatmoment, have different pairings
and then be like okay, you havethe reveal.
Yeah, do the reveals, because Ilove the moments on.
(25:40):
Love is blind, where the doorsopen and you watch someone go.
Oh wow, it's so good to see youand they're like panicking and
dodging kisses.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I love that part yeah yeah, that's um.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I usually when I'm watching love is blind.
I've watched seasons where Ijust get to the reveals and I'm
like I don't actually care whathappens and I'll like stop the
season there.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
We didn't do this about each other.
We're basically the same.
So I fast forward, okay,because I get past when, when
they're like trying to livetogether and there's so many
feelings and I'm like, how manydifferent ways can you talk
about the same feelings?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The one did you watch ?
I know we're getting sideways,but I love this show so much Did
you watch the Minneapolis one?
Oh, I don't know, it was themost recent season?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh no, I don't.
Oh, I may have watched justwhen they're.
That it was the most recentseason oh no, I don't.
Oh, I may have watched justwhen they're.
That's what I love.
I love when they're in the podsand then the reveal, and then
I'm like that could be the wholeshow for me, Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I loved it because, like their accents and all the
things, Because they literallyfilmed in the apartment complex
that my friend lived in, oh, wow, and then I was like watching
lived in.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh, and then I was like watching, I was like that's
my apartment complex.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So like I knew all the stuff fun and just like
they're different likemannerisms, and so my roommate
is this like 37 year old, likehfac, like whatever but he'd
like be eating in the diningroom and I'd just be like
talking to him about it and hestarted getting so into it that
we started watching together andit was so great.
(27:17):
They'll get you, those showswill get you.
Yeah, that's my.
I don't know what is it calledmy Confession?
I can't think of what it'scalled.
The thing that I like, that Ireally shouldn't like the word.
Oh, like guilty pleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you that I reallyshouldn't like the word oh, like
(27:40):
guilty pleasure, thank you,thank you.
Yeah, words are hard, um,understand, um, anyway, I would
love to see you guys do that.
Uh, okay, so you sold out ashow in May, april, may yeah, it
might have been March I.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
We only started performing.
We formed as a team late lastyear and our first show was in
January um but we actuallytalked about this at practice
last night because I was like,yeah, we've done a handful of
shows, and then we startedcounting them up and I was like
I think we've done like six orseven which is because it's only
the sixth month of the year, Idon't know when we did all these
(28:15):
shows, um, but it's, I mean,but I've loved it, and a lot of
those have been um, like we're,we've been like part of a group
show or we've opened for a show.
So we will like condense ourformat to like 20 minutes, um,
which is is it normally an hour?
About 45 minutes, um, mostlybecause we're like that's what
(28:35):
an episode of reality tv wouldbe if you added commercials.
So that's true we do, we dopretty close to 45 minutes, uh,
each time, which which feelsgood, because then there's time
to let the relationships buildand decay, and build and blow up
, and then, hey, that's ourepisode um as happens on a
reality tv show exactly um, andthen what's?
(28:56):
fun is our ending.
Um, if you remember the gameconducted story where you like
stand in a line and someonestands down and they like, oh
yeah, point to you and so youkind of pick up the story.
So we do that, only theproducer points and we do it as
a foreign, separateconfessionals, um.
So it's kind of our chance tolike wrap up the episode.
(29:16):
But we're of course just tryingto get kind of little
one-liners that summarize theshow.
That'll get a laugh and thenlike black out on the laugh.
Um, it's a very fun format okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh.
Wait, before I say somethingelse yeah, when your next show
is july, july 31st, at 9 pm atthird coast comedy club.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Go to third coast comedy.
Clubcom is probably theirwebsite.
I don't actually know.
I think it is, um, that's myguess.
Yeah, probably google.
July 31st, july 31st, 9.
It is a thursday at 9 pm.
So my apologies, um, but it'sonly a 45 minute show, so you
can be in bed by 10 30 maybeyeah yeah, depending on your
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bedtime routine.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Um, okay, I was gonna say before I forget.
The other thing about improvthat I was surprised about is
that you're not supposed to tryto be funny, right?
Does that change when you're ina group or like a team?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
no, no, I think that's a pretty fundamental rule
and I think it goes back towhat we were talking about
initially in terms of you wantto be so focused on your scene
partner and and really the idea,something that I was taught in
my with my first improv teacherin Colorado Springs was, she
(30:33):
said, treat your scene partnersas geniuses and poets, which was
really just to say like, honorthe gifts they're giving you,
even if it feels like, why'd youjust do that?
You know, assume the best andlike, play at your highest
intelligence and respond in themoment.
And really my experience is thefunny does always happen which
(30:59):
feels remarkable because itdoesn't feel like people are.
Sometimes you'll get momentswhere you're like well, okay,
like we're gonna put.
You know, you find thosemoments where you want to like
push that button again or, youknow, have recurring.
You know there's, there'slittle things.
Your brain's always working inthe background, um, but I it
(31:20):
will derail a scene for someoneto like oh, I've got this funny
pun, how do I make it work?
Because then they'reimmediately like out of that
moment, you know they're notresponding in character to the
character, um, and I thinksomething a great moments happen
when you let there be likeserious conversations, um, and
(31:45):
you kind of build attention.
And some of the funniestmoments happen when you're like
you're kind of blowing up thisballoon and you're blowing up
this balloon and there's aserious, you know this couple's
either going to get divorced orlike what's happening, and it's
so tense because then anyslightly weird or funny thing
that pops that balloon becausethe audience is, you know, like,
(32:07):
oh, like they're uncomfortableand what's going to happen, and
then it just takes the smallestthing and then there's a huge
release of that tension.
And that's like one of myfavorite moments to have too is
to like purposely kind of buildthe tension and then anything
can be said.
That pops the balloon and it'sperfect.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's perfect, yeah, so I mentioned to you that I
found this article in PsychologyToday.
Yes, that I found this articlein psychology today.
Yes, I'm gonna read sevenresearch-backed benefits of
improv comedy by clay drink,because I'm sure I'm supposed to
give credit.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Nice, good job, thank you clay drink, clay drink I
actually I was like did I writethat down wrong?
Yeah, that's a.
That's a nashville bar order.
That's a bachelorette partythemed drink.
Okay, what are our seven?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
um, okay, so the first one is it activates
language and creativity centersin the brain, so the brain
region associated withself-judgment quiets down and a
creative part speaks up.
That sounds right to me.
Yeah, I, I feel like that waslike a big part for me of like,
when you're focusing on someoneelse, you're not thinking about
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how silly you look, right, andto add to that, I think by
nature of improv your scenepartner.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You know you look best when you're supporting your
scene partner and you're youknow, true, true, the other way,
and I think there's somethingso rewarding and kind and just
feels so good about when you dosay something, because
inevitably you're going to havea moment where you're like well.
I don't know why I said that.
And to have someone on stagewho's like, yes, that was the
(33:46):
best thing ever, I'm going to dothe same thing, I'm going to
add to it.
That feels like what aconfidence boost to have that
level of energy always with you,yeah well, there's something
about confidence later on.
Oh okay, sorry, I jumped thegun no no, that's great.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I just won't remember if I skip over any right now.
Which goes to our next onepromotes brain connect
connectivity.
I can't say that word could,could be helpful.
Wait, let me start over.
I can read.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Just improvise it.
We can make, we can list seventhings.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It could be a helpful treatment for people with
trauma to connect better withothers and help brain regions
work better together.
Which enough said baby.
Yeah, that makes sense, let'sfocus on the first one and then
skip over all others um okay,boost creativity and promotes
divergent thinking.
(34:42):
Oh yeah, which, okay.
I think this is kind of funny,but a 10-week improv course
helped participants develop morecreative uses for a paperclip
compared to a control group.
As I was writing, it, all Icould think of is like, um, like
, what uses?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I the way.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I need us both to have a paper clip right now oh,
I should have brought somethinglike I'm like yeah, there's that
uses for creative uses forpaper.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I mean, you're picking locks, you can can
probably use it as a littlebobby pin thing.
You need a little jewelry piece, necklace, multiple Any tool
use for glasses.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I feel like Like to fish something out that you
dropped.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yes, Annoy your podcast host by throwing it at
her.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Throw it back and forth.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, now we're playing shboople Callback.
We need paperclips.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh, I did not think ahead, that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I feel like we came up with a pretty good list
pretty fast, I think, so thatwas good.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, see Improv.
Improv Reduces social anxiety.
Yeah, it's helpful to loweranxiety, even after just 20
minutes of improv intervention.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I so believe that my old team we used to do like
corporate workshops and it wouldbe amazing how much, especially
because one time it wassomebody's surprise to their
team.
I don't want that surprise.
No, no one did um which wassuch a terrible feeling to be in
(36:20):
a side room as because it waslike their company Christmas
party or something like that wasa surprise, or were you finding
it out in the moment, I think?
We were finding it out in themoment.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
We were like hired.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It was me and my friend Sam and they they were
like they had done anotherworkshop.
One of the guys had doneanother workshop that we had
done.
He was like I want to bringthis to my team and we were like
awesome, we'll be there.
And then, as we're like in theside room, he's like I've got a
fun surprise, like we're goingto do improv and we hear
(36:58):
everyone oh no, but it was suchrewarding.
Like one of the most rewardingexperiences in doing improv was
then like by the end, everyonewas like that was so fun.
You know, getting to see peopleget over that initial moment of
anxiety, um, and then be socreative was so yeah, that's a
very rewarding thing to witnessdid you know they have improv
for lawyers in law schools Somelaw schools, not all of them.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like my mom took it, Summer took it.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I guess it's supposed to help you be a better trial
lawyer.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
That makes sense to me and probably all lawyer but I
think it was specifically that.
That makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Honestly, I'm like you should have done it in
orientation week for everybodyRight.
Honestly, I'm like you shouldhave done it in orientation week
for, like everybody Right.
Because maybe law schoolwouldn't have been what it was,
so anxiety inducing constantly.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely foundthat it helped with, like, the
(37:50):
anxiety I was experiencing atthe time, which was a lot work
related funny enough as a lawyer, work related, funny enough as
a lawyer um, but it was justlike I.
What I found is like I hadn'tjust done something just fun in
a long time, and so it was likeyou just went and played with
your friends, basically, yes,which sounds weird as an adult,
but it was very fun it's I.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's what I always.
I like describe it that way too.
When I go to practice I all saythat like off to go play
pretend with my friends.
Just me and four other adultsplaying pretend.
Um, because it I, I think thereyou know there's a portion of
the population who you do.
You just like go to work andyou have to clean your house and
you got a lot ofresponsibilities, but man, it's
(38:30):
fun to take some time out ofthat week and just like play and
like play, like do make believeis such a how it feels nice.
It sure does feel nice.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
OK, it reduces uncertainty and tolerance.
How, I was a little confused bythat at first.
How not?
Ok, someone is with the unknown.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Right how they describe it.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
And improv helps people be more comfortable with
uncertainty.
That which, when I read that, Iwas like I should probably go
back to level one, because Ijust feel like a lot of like
there's a lot of moving parts inmy life right now and I'm like
I just need to know one thingyeah, one but, um, boost
confidence is the next one.
(39:15):
Interpersonal and performanceconfidence, yeah, which I feel
like a lot of this keeps goingback to, like the social anxiety
stuff too, yeah, so yeah, anddecreases stress.
Participants were less stressedbefore completing a math task.
I can't speak today, math,tasks or reading.
(39:38):
We should have warmed up withimprov games.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh, I'll remember is the zip, zap, zap.
I'm sure they would come backto me.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, that one's memorable, yeah, it sure is yeah
.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think most people will not.
I don't know If you're in thecomedy circle.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I think you've heard of yeah, zip, zap zap I tried to
get employees at my brother'scompany to do some improv and
they just were like no, I waslike we all need to be friends.
They just we're not having it.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think think my favorite game to introduce to a
group of like you're not goingto make me do improv lawyers is
here what's called I think theycall it mind meld, where you
start with two people, you knowyou go three, two, one and I'll
say a random word and you say arandom word.
(40:34):
So if I said fern and you say arandom, word.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So if I said, oh, this one fern, and you say plant
, wait, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
actually that would be great, um, but say, you said
like record, something totallyunrelated, our opening words,
because we're not um, they'rejust totally random words to us.
So if I said fern and you saidlike record, for example, and
then you turn to the person nextto you and you try to, at the
same time, say the one word thatmarries those two words oh,
okay, I feel like we did that inlike a circle yes and yes, okay
(41:04):
, and so the goal is to like getit to the point where two
people are going to make eyecontact, yes, and for whatever
reason, they're going to gowhiteboard, ah, and then
everyone freaks out because youfound the one word that like
varies the two words prior um,and it's so.
It's such a good feeling ofsatisfaction when it was a fun
game, yeah I.
That's one of my favorites tointroduce to people who are
(41:27):
we'll call them improv resistant, improv resistant that's what I
had on improv.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Is there anything you want to make sure we cover
before we move on?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
that's about it.
I would, it's fun.
I can't recommend it enough is,I guess, what I would say.
Yeah, um, even if you just tryit out, I, I, literally, some of
my closest friends are fromimprov.
I think it's just such awelcoming community.
It feels so good to have agroup of people have your back,
(42:00):
like that in that moment whenyou feel vulnerable, um, and
then to do the same for others,like when you see someone
struggling on stage and you canwalk in and like save them or
match their energy and just letthem know they're not alone.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Um, that like reciprocity, I, I just, and it's
so fun, um, and then you laugha lot too, by nature of like,
it's comedy, so yes, and Ireally think like part of the
reason I wanted to talk about itis because, like, I was so
scared and I think it helped mea lot and so, like, level one is
(42:34):
just nothing but fun gamespretty much.
So you, it's not scary once youget started right as soon as
you're like in the door.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's so welcoming and fun and a good time and it
would be three hours.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It was three hours for eight weeks and that those
three hours went by so fast yeah, I would look forward to it
quite a bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So let's see, okay, checkingthe time as I do, oh yeah, good
job.
Okay, I have a couple of randomthings I want to mention.
Okay, how do you get a smellout of your house?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
oh, man, is it in?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
fabrics or no.
I came home yesterday and myroommate works totally different
hours than me and I just walkin the door and I'm just hit by
this fish smell and I've gotlike a three-story house fire
the roommate um move I was likemaybe it'll dissipate and it
didn't, but I think I justbecame like one nose, yeah, and
(43:40):
then, um, did you like open allthat?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
did you like?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
okay, you know, here's what I've done yeah, yeah
, I did not open the windowslast night because it was like
really muggy and hot yeah, um,and then muggy hot fish smell is
not so gross.
But then I got up this morningand I was like it is still here
and I'm working from home today,so I opened up all the windows,
I put baking soda out, yeah,and then I realized he was
(44:08):
soaking the pot in the sink.
So it was just, it was so gross.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
It was just sitting there.
Okay, what's your roommate'sname?
Let's shout out to yourroommate wash the fish dishes
and I wish I had.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I knew it was in there but I didn't think about
it last night and I was like, ohso I just like dumped it and
then I put lemon down the drainand all the things and he gets
up.
But he's just like I am nevercooking fish in this house again
.
I was like no, you're not, itwas halibut of all things.
I was like that was so gross.
(44:44):
Any other options?
I it's.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think you've burned the house so much.
Um, I I would say, yeah, Ithink you know like airing it
out is really all you can do,because, yeah, I feel like you
don't want to like add a smell,you know you don't want to like
turn a candle, because then youjust have like lavender and fish
.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I hate anything like smell like glade yeah, I think
if I had like a diffuser rightnow, I got rid of all of them
because I felt like there wasmold or something.
Oh yeah, because they've justbeen sitting there.
Yeah, I don't know.
I went through a whole perch ofthings but I'm like maybe like
essential oils, but I don't havea diffuser.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, and I think it is.
I think you got to get out thesnow before you can replace this
.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Maybe if I got like like turned my fans on, I should
have turned my fans on yeah,okay, yeah yeah, I've got things
I can do yeah, we'll seethere's still options before we
take a match to it.
We're gonna have dinner andthen I'll go home and we'll see
where we're at.
Yeah, and maybe I can open thewindows again, okay that was on
my mind it's good, I, I lovethat question.
It was so gross.
Halibut why?
(45:55):
Okay, yeah, that's the halibuttoo.
He accidentally bought too manyhalibut.
Halibuts, yeah, plural, anyway.
There was something about hethought it was by the pound, it
wasn't $75 worth of halibut andthere's two fillets in there.
And him going I'm never cookingfish again and I'm like there's
(46:17):
two really expensive fillets inthere, like I don't know what's
gonna happen.
We're gonna see.
Did you get?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
to eat any of the halibut.
No, also what?
What does halibut taste like?
He just like subjected you tofish smells and he didn't get to
reap any rewards.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
That's man, the first time this has happened in a
year, so I think I'll like and Iknow you know, he's very handy,
he's got redeeming qualities,he's got a lot of redeeming
qualities and he was the one whoacknowledged he was wrong.
Yeah, he violated the roommateagreement.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's all we can ask for.
Admit when you're wrong.
Yes, next time you cook thehalibut at least feed me some of
the halibut right, yeah I don'tknow if I want how I it.
It's the type of word thatsounds gross uh, like when you
eat it, I feel, I feel like it's, you know, it's like a typical
fish, fishy see I don't reallylike fish a lot.
(47:06):
I I like fish.
It depends.
So when he's cooking a halibut,invite me over there will be no
more halibut.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Maybe if there's like an outdoor grill somewhere, he
can go to the park.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, not even close by the park.
You've got to go grill threeblocks over man that's fair.
After the biological warfarehe's done on you, I think
sending him blocks away is veryfair it was awful, okay, um,
next one okay, I was on a clientcall this morning.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay, I won't give away confidential information,
but my client said the word likeand I was taking notes, right
and he said something aboutsomething being agitated and I
was like trying to write theword agitated, I was like I
don't know how to spell itagitated.
Do you ever have this happenwhere you're?
Like I hear words, the otherone is miscellaneous.
(48:00):
I can never spell miscellaneous.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
So I avid reader, terrible speller, and I had this
happen, I want to say,yesterday or today, Attorney
paralegal, where I was doingsome type of like intake call or
something with a potential newclient and and usually what I do
is I'll kind of like screen acall, send it to the attorney
(48:23):
and kind of be like you don'twant this or like you want this.
And I don't know if I was justlike out of it and like because
I've had a lot of discoveryresponding to blah, blah, um.
But I went back to like type upmy notes and half of them I was
like oh, oh, boy, um, somethingabout an agreement and, like
you know, I'm trying to likeread your own hand.
(48:44):
I could not, for the life of meread my own hand, it was half
the spelling, because I'll justlike kind of like, I'll like
write half of a word and be likethat's enough.
I know what that is, um, it'satrocious, but I definitely I'm
not good at spelling and and Iforget, this is a fact because
word and google and all mydevices, you know, they're kind
(49:07):
of like fixing it.
Oh, I understand basically whatyou meant and then I, if I
write something out, it's, oh,it's embarrassing how much I
can't spell.
Do you want to know how Ispelled?
Speaker 1 (49:16):
agitated spell it for me okay, the right way which I
wrote down here is a, g, I, I, t, a, t, e, d.
Okay, I wrote a, j and then Itried again and I I think I
wrote like a, c, yeah, and I waslike okay, this is for my
(49:42):
personal use.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I, I really feel like for me I'll get like stuck on
weird small words that I'm likethat's so okay.
The other day, for the life ofme, I was trying, there was a
scheduling poll, poll, p-o-l-l,p-o-l okay.
I kept being like why, likethat's not how you spell it, and
(50:05):
I realized my brain was tryingto get me to spell poll like
p-o-l-e and I just had to likewalk away from everything for a
minute and be like girl.
It's four letters.
So yeah, Do you?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
think we're just going to get worse with like
chat, gpt and all more stuff.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
You know, I don't, I haven't used chat GPT at all.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I'm, i're going to get left behind, which, like I
actually agree to a certainextent, but like figuring out
where to use it.
But to remember, like hey, likeI have been practicing like 10
years and went to law school forthree years.
I was about to say two, threeand there's like a way that my
brain works that I don't thinkai quite works yet yeah but
(51:01):
there are benefits, like whenI'm like I don't want to put
together this paragraph.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
That I know is kind of like a standard thing right,
I'm just like anyway yeah, I, I,you know I like it for because
all you know our firm uses likeLexisNexis and I like the review
like I like uploading like anopposition and our response and
having it like compare the caselaw things like that, where I'm
like I wasn't about to go lookup all these statutes and like
(51:26):
compare them.
I love that um.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
I didn't know it did that, because I'm not that type
of lawyer.
That sounds really good, though.
Oh it is, oh it is.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
But then there's other things where I'm like I
just don't, because I know thatAI does like hallucinations
where it'll just make stuff up.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Oh yes, like it made up those cases in New York and
it made up cases.
There was one I'm trying tothink, if I can share this,
unrelated to me, but like it'shappened subsequent to that
lawyer getting in big troubleyeah and it's like guys, like
literally, this was all over thelegal news yeah how are you
still not checking if it'smaking up cases?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
yeah, so I I haven't, I've, I've, you know, I've
played around with some of it.
But things like chat GPT, likefor my own personal use, I'm
very.
I do have younger friends whohave told me like I was
struggling with how to respondto a text, so I typed the
scenario into chat GPT and itgave me a response and I'm like
whoa.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I want to know somebody in my life, who will
remain nameless, has been usingit to respond on dating apps
thoughts.
You know, is that a biggerconversation?
You know, I was gonna say alsoit's not me, since I'm on dating
apps.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I've heard it's really bad out there in the
years since I've been off um I Iwould say it's probably, you
know, hilarious use of time.
Um depends on what you'relooking for, maybe yeah, if
you're just trying to like havefun and get easy dates, hey, let
the robot do it.
Um, if you're like looking tofind your soulmate, you should
(53:04):
probably like be who you areprobably.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I'm like you know, you have to eventually meet in
person, if you want this to goright, anyway, again, it's not
me.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not me either.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
So what are you obsessing over lately?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
like myself.
Um, it's always the true answer.
Um, within the last three days,um, rosa and I were watching tv
and we caught an episode of 48hours.
That was a cold case.
Usually they're like here'sthis case, it's been solved,
blah blah, but it was a coldcase.
Um, so I've had that likebouncing around in my brain,
(53:44):
because I love a cold case.
And then we were talking aboutum dateline.
Um, specifically, we weretalking about the host, keith
morrison, and bill haters.
Um, I don't know if you've everseen bill hater like parody
keith morrison doing dateline no, please send it to me I will,
it's so funny.
And then we were like how do wewatch dateline?
(54:04):
We found out it's free downloadlike pluto tv app.
There's a 24 7 dateline channel.
Oh my God.
That plays like nonstopDateline, and so for the past
two evenings we've been likejust sitting down and watching
Dateline.
It's a lot.
So definitely Dateline.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
So which is?
You know, I feel like I getlike.
I kind of get like miniobsessions, I feel like you know
, like if a song gets stuck inmy head, I'm like, well, that's
all I'll listen to for the next72 hours and I'll play it until
I hate it and it's burned in myhead um and then I'll let it go.
So my answer for the last threedays.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
It's Dateline nice mine is.
I got my house windows cleanedprofessionally for the first
time ever amazing inside,outside and the screens and I
didn't think it would make a bigdifference.
It does.
The pollen, so much pollen isgone and it's brighter.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
And I am telling everybody and now you have to
open those babies up and let thefish out okay.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
so I like to do a weekly recommendation, okay?
Um, mine this week is to dofloat therapy at Pure Sweat and
Float.
It's like sensory deprivation.
I do 40 minutes and like I'vebeen doing it like a year and a
half so I'm like I can get intolike a meditative state.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
I can go in with like so many thoughts going on and I
come out and I'm just likethat's so good.
I did it yesterday.
It was great.
That's so nice.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
What recommendation do you have?
Something I did a few weeks agoI'm not doing it anymore, but I
took like a rowing class whereyou like get into the boats and
they teach you like how to row,like as a team.
Like, do crew rowing out onPercy Priest Nashville Row Club?
(55:54):
Shout um, nashville Row Club,shout out, nashville Row Club.
Um, such a good time.
I didn't know anything, youknow, I've like kayaked before
and things like that.
Like I love a rowing machine atthe gym or something yeah, but.
I've never like gotten in a boatwith like a six person boat um
six people, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Okay, yeah, it was like full on rowing yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Very, very cool, learned a lot, beautiful time.
Um like met sweet people, um,and what was nice was that
introductory class was only twoweeks.
So you do like three times fortwo weeks, oh nice.
So it was a very and it and itwas kind of perfect where it
(56:37):
landed, cause I I feel like bothmy teams had like people
traveling and we weren'tpracticing, so I just happened
to have like two available weeksthat I normally wouldn't um
like no shows, but it was such,it was such a good time and it
was fun to like learn somethingbrand new.
I feel like I hadn't learnedsomething like really brand new
in a long time.
Um, so that was that would be my.
It is a little expensive.
(56:59):
I didn't realize those boats,those six person boats, are like
$40,000.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, cause I guess it um cause it got popular in
the Ivy league circles.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Oh, of course, right which?
Speaker 1 (57:11):
I picture.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I also enjoyed rowing because it really spoke to my
inner Yale bully persona whichyou can only tap into if you're
also rowing crew Nice.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, and what are you looking forward to most this
week?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Next weekend my friend Beth is coming down.
She lives in Kentucky.
I actually think she's one ofthe only people I know in town
that I don't know through improv.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Okay, wow, because most people I know through
improv.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Nice and she and I met at a show and then we go to
like a lot of concerts togetherand she's gonna come down and
we're gonna hang out, have alittle pool party at my
apartment.
Sounds awesome.
Yeah, I also have like improvon sunday, which I always.
I feel like we just talkedabout improv a lot.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
I always look forward to improv yeah, um, I'm looking
forward to I'm going to thenateland showcase tapings at
zany's yes I'm going on tuesdaywith my friend mariana.
Maybe we'll go to another one Ihave.
I have to decide.
But it's been a while sinceI've been, so I'm excited about
that.
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, I liked when we got to be in that studio for
the Chief of Thin Therapy.
Yeah, that was gosh that was awhile ago.
I guess I don't know when thatwas.
That was, I think, december.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
It was a while ago.
Yeah, well, we gotta wrap upbecause we would talk yeah
longer thank you so much yeah,and thanks for everyone for
being here.
Uh, tune in next week forlistening to my crunchy zen era.
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(58:52):
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Thanks for hanging out.
We'll be back next week.
We'll be back next week.
Welcome to my crunchy zen era.
My guest today is Zeta Graves.
Hi, zeta, welcome, thank you.
I had a moment where I was like, did I get your last name?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
wrong.
Nope, that was it.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, perfect.
So what's something?
Crunchy or zen that you've donelately.
What's something?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
crunchy or zen that you've done lately.
Not really a crunchy person, Iwould say my whole life is
pretty zen.
To be honest, I feel like I'vedesigned it to be a very
stress-free experience formyself.
Where you know work from home,my main hobby is, like improv
(00:48):
and embroidery which is justhanging out.
I actually didn't know you didembroidery, oh.
I, I love embroidery, some crossstitching too embroidery like
shirts, or I'm working on a hatright now cool yeah um, I'm
trying to picture an embroideredhat and I can't, so I just
bought like a plain baseball hatand then I'm like embroidering,
I'm doing a little succulenttheme.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
on it, I was imagining a beanie and I was
just like I could probably do abeanie too.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It might be harder, but if you want a beanie, I was
like I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I don't think they're embroidered that often.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I don't know, oh, like they're embroidered that
often.
I don't know, oh, like makingone.
I think they're probablyknitted.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Probably I don't know enough about this craft.
Mostly I do improv.
We love that.
Yeah, hold me to that.
Yeah, great.
And so what is a memory thatyou would love to relive?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I had a camping trip with a group of friends on this
beautiful piece of land inColorado and it was like me and
my closest friends, and weplayed this game that my husband
and his friends had made upbefore, like a made up game.
It's called Spoople.
Wait, say it again, it's calledSpoople.
It's a made up game, spoople.
(02:03):
Where you, you like, balance onsomething like a log or a rock,
but you're in a circle,everyone's balancing, and you're
throwing a frisbee or a ball,um, and if somebody misses, the
whole group starts yellingeither bad catch or bad throw,
depending on the group'sagreement.
Okay, was it a bad catch or badthrow?
That person has to like run tothe center, do some type of you
(02:26):
know like shot, or I think wemade it kind of improv.
We were like you have to listfive things of whatever and like
run back before everyone canthrow the ball around the circle
, um, but it was so.
It was so like it brought me solike childhood feelings of
playing outdoors.
We're in the mountains playinga made-up game.
(02:49):
Everyone brought their dogs.
There's dogs running around.
If I ever think of what's myhappy place, it's that camping
trip, and playing this made-upgame with my friends is a very,
very good time.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I feel like there's so much in that of like being in
nature, just having fun, like,yeah, no rule, I mean somewhat
rules, but also you made it upright, it's like made up game
rules.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah yeah, being with friends and it was like I.
I want to say maybe it hadrained, so it was like cool, but
the sun was back out, just likeeverything was so perfect and
just magical feeling, and yeah,it was very, it was very nice.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I love that.
Yeah, now I want to go be innature.
I can't go play spoople maybe.
I was walking around today andI was like I should go touch a
tree and do some grounding good,yeah, there's a lot of traffic
going on and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I know I don't feel like I have done much nature
stuff since moving to Nashville,oh really, and I, russell, and
I my husband, Because you areinto that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Very, very much.
So we were talking about thisrecently and I was saying like I
I feel like it's because Idon't know the outdoors here,
like I very much know all theanimals in Colorado, what to
expect weather-wise, all thatstuff, and I'm like I don't know
.
There's like snakes and there'sso there's a lot more lushness.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Because, you know, things hide in lushness.
It's beautiful, but they hidein there.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
They hide and there's ticks, and you know, I just
feel like I'm still kind of illprepared to go out into nature.
How long has it been now?
Um, about a year and a half.
Okay, so like I should learn.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think you should.
We could go, we could you cancome with me.
I did a lot of googling becauseI felt the same.
Yeah, come from Minnesota.
It's like the poisonous things,like can't make it there
because it's so cold.
Yeah, so the snake thing was abig deal for me and I've learned
to like pay attention yeah notthat I've ever had anything
happen here I did in Yosemite.
(04:57):
There was a giant rattlesnakesee rattlesnakes, I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I had rattlesnakes in Colorado.
I'm fine, you're like.
I'm okay with it.
Well no.
I think this goes back to likeI know about them, so I
understand, like if I'm tooclose they'll rattle.
Okay, that's fine.
I don't know.
What do you have Like cottonmouths here or something?
I don't even know what, I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't to like.
Stay away from snakes yeah,well, that's good.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
See, imagine me walking through the forest.
I don't want to be aware, so,so don't, shouldn't go out there
yet, okay this is so like whenI hike with summer she's super
unaware as well.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, so we have a system where I go in front
because I'm super aware, and theone time she's she like started
wandering in front is when shealmost stepped on this
rattlesnake who we named berthaand we have pictures of, and it
was like I stopped her rightbefore and I was like I feel
like I heard something.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Good job, terrifying, oh my gosh, yeah, so again not
here in the line and that'll begood and I'll go out, because I,
I do.
Really I know that there's likecool cave systems yeah, I
haven't done that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, I want to.
I want to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I know there's waterfalls that are nearby that
I want to see there's a lot thatI do want to be involved.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
There's so many things I think you would love
yeah, like Cummins Falls isamazing let's South.
Cumberland Park is amazing.
Let's go.
Okay, we've got so many thingswe've got an agenda yes, we do.
But on the poisonous thingsyeah, so my dad was visiting
with my nephew and my dad islike I don't know if he's like
(06:34):
really afraid of poisonousthings or he's really afraid of
the possibility.
But every time he's like nicole,I saw a spider in your bathroom
and I was, and he's like youneed to have them come in and
spray.
And then my roommate's like,yeah, there's spider webs in the
garage.
He's from Oregon and I'm likeyou guys need to calm down.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, there's some good spiders, I was gonna say,
are there.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
See, I don't even know there's recluse, brown
recluses, yeah, but like thoseare really specific, yeah.
So, anyway, we had brownrecluse.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We had a lot of black widows in Colorado, we had a
lot of black widows Yikes.
Okay, we should move on fromthis topic.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
This is not.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Zen for anyone?
This is not Zen, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
This is my grab bag question.
Okay, um, okay, this is my grabbag question.
Okay, fancy little bag.
Ooh, it's my.
My Minnesota accent comes outwhenever I say that it's like
the word I get made of fun ohwhat's your most irrational fear
(07:44):
?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh man.
Well, all my fears areextremely rational.
Oh man, irrational fears Iprobably have, like I think the
ocean is pretty spooky, but Idon't think that's that
irrational.
I don't think that's irrational, because why are we going so
deep in there?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Like I'll swim in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I will.
I like a little ocean swim umbut like I don't like even scuba
diving, I'm like that's too far, I'll snorkel, I won't scuba
dive.
No, that's I don't.
I don't feel like we belongdown there.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Um, my concern is like what if you have to get up
fast?
But then there's that like thebends yes, yeah, I was gonna say
the bubble thing yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Is that what it is?
I don't know.
There's bubbles and water in myblood suddenly and then I'm
yeah where did they come from?
Yeah, no one can say yeah, Iyeah yeah I so I don't know
pretty rational fear.
Yeah, um, I don't know, I don'tthink I like have many, uh,
day-to-day fears.
I don't know I don't think Ilike have many day-to-day fears.
I don't, you know, I don't likebugs, but I wouldn't say I'm
(08:47):
not afraid of them, I'm justmore like stay away Personal
space yeah.
Yeah, that's fair.
How about you, nicole, so many?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Phillip and I talked about this on like a couple
episodes ago so I won't likebore everybody with it.
Wait, yeah, it was with philip,but mine is like that there's
something in a pool that'll getyou in a pool.
Yeah, it's like dirty and scary, oh okay, but they don't
actually have to be dirty andscary it just has to be deep,
(09:22):
yeah, funny.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Funny.
Both water, deep water.
I don't like deep water.
We shouldn't be.
I mean, I do to an extent.
For me it's mostly I'm like theocean, no go.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, ocean is like.
I like the sound of it, I likebeing by it, but I do get like
nervous, even just being in likeup to my knees or something.
Yeah, being in like up to myknees or something, yeah,
there's sharks.
There's definitely sharks.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I, you know and I all of my ocean experiences in
California, so I feel like Ihaven't had too many shark works
.
I know they're not sharks.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And you know, don't tell me if there are.
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
My life in ignorance, and then I can keep going in
the ocean there, probably are?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think there are.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think it's just a lot more common in like the gulf
and florida areas that thereare sharks.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I feel like we hear more about the shark attacks
yeah, in that area yeah, andmaui I've heard, but maybe okay,
when I went to hawaii Ispecifically looked it up.
Right, it was like most sharkattacks are like Maui, the big
island, and I was on Oahu.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So I was like I'm fine, the sharks don't even like
water.
You can get in the water, it'sfine yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
They were trying to teach me to surf.
And one I did not have theupper body strength, and I want
to say it's because I was inhigh school at the time but I
still don't.
And two all I could think aboutwas like, do I look like a seal
?
Like am I going?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
to get attacked, so I never got up.
It was not.
I've been like boogie boardingin the ocean, but surfing,
that's hard, really hard yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I don't know how.
Yeah, I've tried.
Yeah, it was like one time, butbut hey, you tried it, I tried
yeah.
I think the guy was just likethis is not what I intended to
spend.
I intended to spend my life.
It's like I'm really sorry.
He's like try harder.
And I was like this is all Igot.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's helpful, thank you yep yeah, no, surfing,
surfing's hard, so I don't thinkanyone gets it on their first
try.
That's probably not true, andthere's athletes out there who,
I'm sure, make it look easythere's athletes who can make
everything look easy.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So today we're going to talk about improv.
Yay, and partly because we metin improv, I decided to get over
my fear and try level one, andthen I did half of level two for
reasons to not be this closetoday.
No, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I only finished level three, so you didn't go further
.
I joined a team and they met atthe same time that I was doing
classes.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh, that's right, and .
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I was kind of like I'd rather just do the team team
that performs, and then we havelike coaches that come in too,
so that's fun.
It still feels like I'm, yeah,learning.
When did you first try improv?
I want to say, um, maybe 2021,2022, in Colorado Springs.
Um, there was a reddit post inthe Colorado Springs subreddit
(12:29):
um, that was just advertisingthis improv class, um.
So my husband got me.
He like bought me the classesfor my birthday and I was like
very nervous because I was likea fan of comedy and I had done
other like public speakingthings before.
I was like a debate kid growingup so like, yeah, a lot of
(12:49):
public, were you theater or justI was.
I was kind of a theater kid butnot, you know, not like fully
in it.
I was always like some type ofsmall supporting part.
Um, never got the lead.
The year I got the lead, mysenior year, everyone in the
cast had like various problems,had to drop out and the play got
canceled.
(13:10):
So I never got to be the lead.
There's some sad zeta lore, um,but I was like nervous to go
into it and then I was addictedyeah.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I've never stopped since so I think it'd be
interesting to talk about whatthat first class is, because I
was extremely nervous too, yeah,and like.
So my therapist was like youshould try improv to help with
some of this like intenseanxiety going on in your head
and like do something creative.
But instead I did stand upbecause I was like you can
(13:41):
prepare for that.
So to me.
What was scary is like withimprov, like what if you're up
there and you just can't thinkof anything at all and you're
just standing there and then youhave flashbacks to high school?
Of some sort so I don't know.
I feel like that's not what wasscary about it to you.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know, I I think I'm just kind of a baby about
new things, um, and then as soonas I I get like nervous about
new things I love doing newthings, though, so I just part
of it, I think is I like havingthat like what's gonna happen,
and it happens, and I'm like yay, yeah um, but I think it was
just kind of like the unknown,you know like what's gonna
(14:19):
happen.
and it's so funny looking backnow, because I'm like there's no
friendlier, more welcoming of aspace than a level one in a
prof class.
That is the definition of likethe sweetest instructors and the
most welcoming of meeting youwhere you're at, and everyone's
(14:41):
scared.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, because if you're in a level one,
everyone's just like Everyone'snew.
Yeah, yeah, they're all worried, yeah we're all worrying about
ourselves, and then we find out,like you're supposed to just
like focus on the other person,which is great so helpful and I
feel like it.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
it does help remove that anxiety really quickly
because by the nature of improvyou're very focused on being in
the moment and listening andresponding.
And when you're in the momentyou're not really worried about
other things because you're justlistening and responding and
the next thing you know time'sgone by.
You're done with your firstimprov class.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I think I had the picture of Michael Scott
Like I think a lot of people doRight and I was like is that?
Really what it is and it's not.
I had the picture of MichaelScott Like I think a lot of
people do Right and I was likeis that really what it is and
it's not?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean some of it is actually there have been moments
, yeah, okay, I was about to saysomething.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You don't normally get someone like that and then I
was like but you also dosometimes.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You know, improv can especially like early level
classes.
I feel like there are somepeople because there's lots of
things that draw people toimprov and for some it is like a
therapeutic setting and thatcomes out in some of their
scenes.
I think usually, though, as youprogress, that falls off.
(16:04):
But I think everyone kind ofgoes through that initial phase
of improv where you say kind ofstuff where you're like why,
like you're making like bathroomjokes, and you're like that's
like, why would I?
Um, yeah, and then you kind ofget over that, like you get out
all the bad ideas.
That's what we even say inpractice is like we'll like run
a scene and then be like, okay,got out all the bad words like
(16:26):
now we can do a real thing.
Yeah, um, but I think you, yeah,you get a lot of characters, um
, yeah, but some of that isgreat because it forces you to
be a better improviser, I think,when you're partnered with
someone like that, because thenall you can do like yes, yes,
and we do love bacon yeah, Ifeel like the first class.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I was so relieved because it was mostly just like
these games of like I think wemight have done like one thing
where we went up and like rantedabout something, yeah, but that
wasn't that big of a deal,right, but then a lot of the
interactions were just games ina circle and it wasn't so
(17:16):
focused on just you, right, andso I found that really helpful
of like you sort of built up thecamaraderie or something before
yeah, you performed, yeah, andthen what was so interesting to
me is I always had the like yesand that's.
I feel like everyone hears that.
But then it was like don'tthink about what you're gonna
(17:38):
say next.
Just like you said, focus onthe person across from you and
respond, and like I keptreminding myself of that to like
not be so worried, and thatreally helped me a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I feel like it.
I really love that feeling,especially like right after a
show, because it's such adifferent mental state to be in
when you're like so focused onthis just happened.
I'm going to respond to thething that just happened.
Maybe in a show you're likethinking about what happened
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prior and tying it all together,but it's such a beautiful state
of like flow kind of, whereyou're just so in the moment in
a way that I don't think you'reusually in.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, I think so.
Do you remember our last classand we had, like we had to say
all the things you weren'tsupposed to do, yes, and then in
our last scenes, like all Icould think of were the things I
wasn't supposed to do.
So those were the things Iwasn't supposed to do, so those
were the things I was doing andI was like I don't think I've
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learned anything from this, andit was like a guest instructor,
because our instructor couldn'tbe there and I was like yeah, I
was like, well, this was not howI wanted to end but you know
what?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
it's fine because it was a guest instructor so he
probably doesn't remember me.
Yeah, it's fine, any of ourclass.
Yeah, one what?
It's fine because it was aguest instructor, so he probably
doesn't remember me.
Yeah, it's fine, any of ourclass.
Yeah, one class it's great.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And then we sat in a little powwow circle and shared
our feelings.
We did.
I feel like that's a little bitof a cliche or not cliche a
stereotype.
It is it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is um and there's.
It's funny because I you knowhalf of me I really like that
aspect of the improv community.
It is like very kind of theaterkid community, but I also I
like it more than the theaterkid aspects because it's still a
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comedy community.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I feel like, especially with the teams I'm on
now, there's because I'm a, youknow, I like to make fun of
people and have them.
You know, I like that aspect ofcomedy of the like we're gonna
rib each other and we're we'rejoking, so it's okay.
Um, and I feel like I've foundthat with my teams in a way that
is not really appropriate to doin classes, and I enjoy that
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element of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So you have two teams .
Now how often do you like gettogether and what do those
practices look like?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Mostly weekly for both of those teams.
One of my team's worst casescenario we've been've been
working with different coachesum, which has been.
I love that.
I love when we have like acoach come in.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Are they?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
acting coaches or different.
We had an acting coach and thenour last two have been like
improv specific coaches, um,which has been really nice,
cause there's lots of you knowthere's, so it's an art form.
So of course there's alwayssomething new to learn and
things to tweak, um, but it'sreally great to hear those
different perspectives on whatwe're doing and things to work
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and ways to, ways to improve onthe areas where we're like
something seems not right withour opening or like why does in
the middle something, somethinghappen?
And then the coach can watchand say, oh, it's because of xyz
, yeah, um, so I love that.
And then location island weactually had practice last night
, um, and those practices arejust fun because it's an
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improvised reality tv show, soit's, yes, um, kind of everyone
on their worst behavior, becausewe're, you know, parodying
reality tv, um, but we havesomeone who plays a producer and
we switch that up each practiceso we all get a chance to
produce, but they'll throwdifferent, you know, like, and
we use each other's real namesis the fun thing.
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So it'll be, um, like zeta.
Did you know that nikki and andJosh were like talking smack
about you behind your back?
And it's so funny to hear likeyour real name used in an improv
scene where usually we'replaying characters and in this
case we're kind of like justcaricatures, but it's still very
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much us based but playing likeour worst selves, based on
suggestions that that we getfrom the audience okay, so so
when you, so you guys are atthird coast comedy club, right,
which that's where we took ourclasses shout out, shout out,
there goes and so when you have,how does it start?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
like when you're on the stage, like someone just
comes out and you're like thisis what the reality show is.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We, um, we start by asking.
When people come in, we askthem to write down on a slip of
paper something that they wantto get off their chest oh, Um.
And we've gotten some veryserious answers.
We just recently got somethinglike I'm jealous that my best
friend is happily married oh,wow, um.
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And we've also gotten peoplewho write down like cheese um,
like bike riders in Nashville ingroups apparently?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
yeah, that would be mine right now.
Yeah, where are they coming?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
from.
So it's.
The answers vary wildly.
Yeah, um, but we asked them towrite that down and then, when
we take the stage, whoever isproducing introduces the show
and we introduce it to be kindof like we're a couple seasons
into this reality show, likehere's the cast.
You know, we're all like posingum.
We get a location from the.
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Our show is called locationisland, so we get a location um.
Usually they kind of give ussome more beachy, but we've also
had, we've had place dang and Ican't, of course.
Oh, someone said antigua, towhich we all looked at each
other and went where is thatthere's antigua?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
isn't that like in the caribbean?
Did you ever look it up?
I did did because I feel likeit's in like pirates of of the
Caribbean or something OK.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I want to say there were like a couple Antiguas.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
So we, of course, we just made stuff up and went with
it.
But we get a.
Could the audience tell youdidn't know?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Probably, but we did our best.
And I like, when we get asuggestion like Greece and I'm
like I've heard of that one andthen we so then what we uh like
confessionals from last week iskind of the uh premise.
So we'll like draw a line.
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That's like each of us drawsone of the lines and that's our
very first line of the show andthen, based on what we draw, we
like build our character and ouropening confessional moment to
the camera.
Based on that, that's cool.
Um, and then it's really justscenes between the housemates
the producer, just scenesbetween the housemates the
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producer lobbing secrets orsaying like, oh, I see, like
Zeta and David, oh, davidBeeman's on our cast now.
Um, so it'll be someone sayinglike Zeta and David, like it
seems like you two are fighting,like why don't you go have an
outing together and work on yourrelationship?
or you know, whatever it is orum, you know, and they'll kind
of the producer will kind ofguide us through what would
happen on one of those types ofreality shows.
But we also have people whenthey produce who like to do more
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challenged based things.
So they'll put us in like acooking competition, or I think
we were in like a Mr Beastcompetition in one.
So it varies based on who'sproducing, which is also a lot
of fun as a cast member, if Iwere the producer, I would want
you guys to do.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Love is blind.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I don't know how that would work but I love that show
so much I would actually Ithink that would be so funny to
have two improvisers with, like,their back backs turned to each
other, to like build up thatmoment, have different pairings
and then be like okay, you havethe reveal.
Yeah, do the reveals, because Ilove the moments on.
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Love is blind, where the doorsopen and you watch someone go.
Oh wow, it's so good to see youand they're like panicking and
dodging kisses.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I love that part yeah yeah, that's um.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I usually when I'm watching love is blind.
I've watched seasons where Ijust get to the reveals and I'm
like I don't actually care whathappens and I'll like stop the
season there.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
We didn't do this about each other.
We're basically the same.
So I fast forward, okay,because I get past when, when
they're like trying to livetogether and there's so many
feelings and I'm like, how manydifferent ways can you talk
about the same feelings?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
The one did you watch ?
I know we're getting sideways,but I love this show so much Did
you watch the Minneapolis one?
Oh, I don't know, it was themost recent season?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh no, I don't.
Oh, I may have watched justwhen they're.
That it was the most recentseason oh no, I don't.
Oh, I may have watched justwhen they're.
That's what I love.
I love when they're in the podsand then the reveal, and then
I'm like that could be the wholeshow for me, Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I loved it because, like their accents and all the
things, Because they literallyfilmed in the apartment complex
that my friend lived in, oh, wow, and then I was like watching
lived in.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh, and then I was like watching, I was like that's
my apartment complex.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So like I knew all the stuff fun and just like
they're different likemannerisms, and so my roommate
is this like 37 year old, likehfac, like whatever but he'd
like be eating in the diningroom and I'd just be like
talking to him about it and hestarted getting so into it that
we started watching together andit was so great.
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They'll get you, those showswill get you.
Yeah, that's my.
I don't know what is it calledmy Confession?
I can't think of what it'scalled.
The thing that I like, that Ireally shouldn't like the word.
Oh, like guilty pleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you that I reallyshouldn't like the word oh, like
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guilty pleasure, thank you,thank you.
Yeah, words are hard, um,understand, um, anyway, I would
love to see you guys do that.
Uh, okay, so you sold out ashow in May, april, may yeah, it
might have been March I.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
We only started performing.
We formed as a team late lastyear and our first show was in
January um but we actuallytalked about this at practice
last night because I was like,yeah, we've done a handful of
shows, and then we startedcounting them up and I was like
I think we've done like six orseven which is because it's only
the sixth month of the year, Idon't know when we did all these
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shows, um, but it's, I mean,but I've loved it, and a lot of
those have been um, like we're,we've been like part of a group
show or we've opened for a show.
So we will like condense ourformat to like 20 minutes, um,
which is is it normally an hour?
About 45 minutes, um, mostlybecause we're like that's what
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an episode of reality tv wouldbe if you added commercials.
So that's true we do, we dopretty close to 45 minutes, uh,
each time, which which feelsgood, because then there's time
to let the relationships buildand decay, and build and blow up
, and then, hey, that's ourepisode um as happens on a
reality tv show exactly um, andthen what's?
(28:56):
fun is our ending.
Um, if you remember the gameconducted story where you like
stand in a line and someonestands down and they like, oh
yeah, point to you and so youkind of pick up the story.
So we do that, only theproducer points and we do it as
a foreign, separateconfessionals, um.
So it's kind of our chance tolike wrap up the episode.
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But we're of course just tryingto get kind of little
one-liners that summarize theshow.
That'll get a laugh and thenlike black out on the laugh.
Um, it's a very fun format okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh.
Wait, before I say somethingelse yeah, when your next show
is july, july 31st, at 9 pm atthird coast comedy club.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Go to third coast comedy.
Clubcom is probably theirwebsite.
I don't actually know.
I think it is, um, that's myguess.
Yeah, probably google.
July 31st, july 31st, 9.
It is a thursday at 9 pm.
So my apologies, um, but it'sonly a 45 minute show, so you
can be in bed by 10 30 maybeyeah yeah, depending on your
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bedtime routine.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Um, okay, I was gonna say before I forget.
The other thing about improvthat I was surprised about is
that you're not supposed to tryto be funny, right?
Does that change when you're ina group or like a team?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
no, no, I think that's a pretty fundamental rule
and I think it goes back towhat we were talking about
initially in terms of you wantto be so focused on your scene
partner and and really the idea,something that I was taught in
my with my first improv teacherin Colorado Springs was, she
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said, treat your scene partnersas geniuses and poets, which was
really just to say like, honorthe gifts they're giving you,
even if it feels like, why'd youjust do that?
You know, assume the best andlike, play at your highest
intelligence and respond in themoment.
And really my experience is thefunny does always happen which
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feels remarkable because itdoesn't feel like people are.
Sometimes you'll get momentswhere you're like well, okay,
like we're gonna put.
You know, you find thosemoments where you want to like
push that button again or, youknow, have recurring.
You know there's, there'slittle things.
Your brain's always working inthe background, um, but I it
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will derail a scene for someoneto like oh, I've got this funny
pun, how do I make it work?
Because then they'reimmediately like out of that
moment, you know they're notresponding in character to the
character, um, and I thinksomething a great moments happen
when you let there be likeserious conversations, um, and
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you kind of build attention.
And some of the funniestmoments happen when you're like
you're kind of blowing up thisballoon and you're blowing up
this balloon and there's aserious, you know this couple's
either going to get divorced orlike what's happening, and it's
so tense because then anyslightly weird or funny thing
that pops that balloon becausethe audience is, you know, like,
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oh, like they're uncomfortableand what's going to happen, and
then it just takes the smallestthing and then there's a huge
release of that tension.
And that's like one of myfavorite moments to have too is
to like purposely kind of buildthe tension and then anything
can be said.
That pops the balloon and it'sperfect.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's perfect, yeah, so I mentioned to you that I
found this article in PsychologyToday.
Yes, that I found this articlein psychology today.
Yes, I'm gonna read sevenresearch-backed benefits of
improv comedy by clay drink,because I'm sure I'm supposed to
give credit.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Nice, good job, thank you clay drink, clay drink I
actually I was like did I writethat down wrong?
Yeah, that's a.
That's a nashville bar order.
That's a bachelorette partythemed drink.
Okay, what are our seven?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
um, okay, so the first one is it activates
language and creativity centersin the brain, so the brain
region associated withself-judgment quiets down and a
creative part speaks up.
That sounds right to me.
Yeah, I, I feel like that waslike a big part for me of like,
when you're focusing on someoneelse, you're not thinking about
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how silly you look, right, andto add to that, I think by
nature of improv your scenepartner.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You know you look best when you're supporting your
scene partner and you're youknow, true, true, the other way,
and I think there's somethingso rewarding and kind and just
feels so good about when you dosay something, because
inevitably you're going to havea moment where you're like well.
I don't know why I said that.
And to have someone on stagewho's like, yes, that was the
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best thing ever, I'm going to dothe same thing, I'm going to
add to it.
That feels like what aconfidence boost to have that
level of energy always with you,yeah well, there's something
about confidence later on.
Oh okay, sorry, I jumped thegun no no, that's great.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I just won't remember if I skip over any right now.
Which goes to our next onepromotes brain connect
connectivity.
I can't say that word could,could be helpful.
Wait, let me start over.
I can read.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Just improvise it.
We can make, we can list seventhings.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It could be a helpful treatment for people with
trauma to connect better withothers and help brain regions
work better together.
Which enough said baby.
Yeah, that makes sense, let'sfocus on the first one and then
skip over all others um okay,boost creativity and promotes
divergent thinking.
(34:42):
Oh yeah, which, okay.
I think this is kind of funny,but a 10-week improv course
helped participants develop morecreative uses for a paperclip
compared to a control group.
As I was writing, it, all Icould think of is like, um, like
, what uses?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I the way.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I need us both to have a paper clip right now oh,
I should have brought somethinglike I'm like yeah, there's that
uses for creative uses forpaper.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I mean, you're picking locks, you can can
probably use it as a littlebobby pin thing.
You need a little jewelry piece, necklace, multiple Any tool
use for glasses.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I feel like Like to fish something out that you
dropped.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yes, Annoy your podcast host by throwing it at
her.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Throw it back and forth.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, now we're playing shboople Callback.
We need paperclips.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Oh, I did not think ahead, that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I feel like we came up with a pretty good list
pretty fast, I think, so thatwas good.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, see Improv.
Improv Reduces social anxiety.
Yeah, it's helpful to loweranxiety, even after just 20
minutes of improv intervention.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I so believe that my old team we used to do like
corporate workshops and it wouldbe amazing how much, especially
because one time it wassomebody's surprise to their
team.
I don't want that surprise.
No, no one did um which wassuch a terrible feeling to be in
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a side room as because it waslike their company Christmas
party or something like that wasa surprise, or were you finding
it out in the moment, I think?
We were finding it out in themoment.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
We were like hired.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It was me and my friend Sam and they they were
like they had done anotherworkshop.
One of the guys had doneanother workshop that we had
done.
He was like I want to bringthis to my team and we were like
awesome, we'll be there.
And then, as we're like in theside room, he's like I've got a
fun surprise, like we're goingto do improv and we hear
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everyone oh no, but it was suchrewarding.
Like one of the most rewardingexperiences in doing improv was
then like by the end, everyonewas like that was so fun.
You know, getting to see peopleget over that initial moment of
anxiety, um, and then be socreative was so yeah, that's a
very rewarding thing to witnessdid you know they have improv
for lawyers in law schools Somelaw schools, not all of them.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like my mom took it, Summer took it.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I guess it's supposed to help you be a better trial
lawyer.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
That makes sense to me and probably all lawyer but I
think it was specifically that.
That makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Honestly, I'm like you should have done it in
orientation week for everybodyRight.
Honestly, I'm like you shouldhave done it in orientation week
for, like everybody Right.
Because maybe law schoolwouldn't have been what it was,
so anxiety inducing constantly.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely foundthat it helped with, like, the
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anxiety I was experiencing atthe time, which was a lot work
related funny enough as a lawyer, work related, funny enough as
a lawyer um, but it was justlike I.
What I found is like I hadn'tjust done something just fun in
a long time, and so it was likeyou just went and played with
your friends, basically, yes,which sounds weird as an adult,
but it was very fun it's I.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's what I always.
I like describe it that way too.
When I go to practice I all saythat like off to go play
pretend with my friends.
Just me and four other adultsplaying pretend.
Um, because it I, I think thereyou know there's a portion of
the population who you do.
You just like go to work andyou have to clean your house and
you got a lot ofresponsibilities, but man, it's
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fun to take some time out ofthat week and just like play and
like play, like do make believeis such a how it feels nice.
It sure does feel nice.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
OK, it reduces uncertainty and tolerance.
How, I was a little confused bythat at first.
How not?
Ok, someone is with the unknown.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Right how they describe it.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
And improv helps people be more comfortable with
uncertainty.
That which, when I read that, Iwas like I should probably go
back to level one, because Ijust feel like a lot of like
there's a lot of moving parts inmy life right now and I'm like
I just need to know one thingyeah, one but, um, boost
confidence is the next one.
(39:15):
Interpersonal and performanceconfidence, yeah, which I feel
like a lot of this keeps goingback to, like the social anxiety
stuff too, yeah, so yeah, anddecreases stress.
Participants were less stressedbefore completing a math task.
I can't speak today, math,tasks or reading.
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We should have warmed up withimprov games.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh, I'll remember is the zip, zap, zap.
I'm sure they would come backto me.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, that one's memorable, yeah, it sure is yeah
.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think most people will not.
I don't know If you're in thecomedy circle.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I think you've heard of yeah, zip, zap zap I tried to
get employees at my brother'scompany to do some improv and
they just were like no, I waslike we all need to be friends.
They just we're not having it.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think think my favorite game to introduce to a
group of like you're not goingto make me do improv lawyers is
here what's called I think theycall it mind meld, where you
start with two people, you knowyou go three, two, one and I'll
say a random word and you say arandom word.
(40:34):
So if I said fern and you say arandom, word.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So if I said, oh, this one fern, and you say plant
, wait, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
actually that would be great, um, but say, you said
like record, something totallyunrelated, our opening words,
because we're not um, they'rejust totally random words to us.
So if I said fern and you saidlike record, for example, and
then you turn to the person nextto you and you try to, at the
same time, say the one word thatmarries those two words oh,
okay, I feel like we did that inlike a circle yes and yes, okay
(41:04):
, and so the goal is to like getit to the point where two
people are going to make eyecontact, yes, and for whatever
reason, they're going to gowhiteboard, ah, and then
everyone freaks out because youfound the one word that like
varies the two words prior um,and it's so.
It's such a good feeling ofsatisfaction when it was a fun
game, yeah I.
That's one of my favorites tointroduce to people who are
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we'll call them improv resistant, improv resistant that's what I
had on improv.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Is there anything you want to make sure we cover
before we move on?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
that's about it.
I would, it's fun.
I can't recommend it enough is,I guess, what I would say.
Yeah, um, even if you just tryit out, I, I, literally, some of
my closest friends are fromimprov.
I think it's just such awelcoming community.
It feels so good to have agroup of people have your back,
(42:00):
like that in that moment whenyou feel vulnerable, um, and
then to do the same for others,like when you see someone
struggling on stage and you canwalk in and like save them or
match their energy and just letthem know they're not alone.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Um, that like reciprocity, I, I just, and it's
so fun, um, and then you laugha lot too, by nature of like,
it's comedy, so yes, and Ireally think like part of the
reason I wanted to talk about itis because, like, I was so
scared and I think it helped mea lot and so, like, level one is
(42:34):
just nothing but fun gamespretty much.
So you, it's not scary once youget started right as soon as
you're like in the door.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's so welcoming and fun and a good time and it
would be three hours.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It was three hours for eight weeks and that those
three hours went by so fast yeah, I would look forward to it
quite a bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So let's see, okay, checkingthe time as I do, oh yeah, good
job.
Okay, I have a couple of randomthings I want to mention.
Okay, how do you get a smellout of your house?
Speaker 2 (43:12):
oh, man, is it in?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
fabrics or no.
I came home yesterday and myroommate works totally different
hours than me and I just walkin the door and I'm just hit by
this fish smell and I've gotlike a three-story house fire
the roommate um move I was likemaybe it'll dissipate and it
didn't, but I think I justbecame like one nose, yeah, and
(43:40):
then, um, did you like open allthat?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
did you like?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
okay, you know, here's what I've done yeah, yeah
, I did not open the windowslast night because it was like
really muggy and hot yeah, um,and then muggy hot fish smell is
not so gross.
But then I got up this morningand I was like it is still here
and I'm working from home today,so I opened up all the windows,
I put baking soda out, yeah,and then I realized he was
(44:08):
soaking the pot in the sink.
So it was just, it was so gross.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
It was just sitting there.
Okay, what's your roommate'sname?
Let's shout out to yourroommate wash the fish dishes
and I wish I had.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I knew it was in there but I didn't think about
it last night and I was like, ohso I just like dumped it and
then I put lemon down the drainand all the things and he gets
up.
But he's just like I am nevercooking fish in this house again
.
I was like no, you're not, itwas halibut of all things.
I was like that was so gross.
(44:44):
Any other options?
I it's.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think you've burned the house so much.
Um, I I would say, yeah, Ithink you know like airing it
out is really all you can do,because, yeah, I feel like you
don't want to like add a smell,you know you don't want to like
turn a candle, because then youjust have like lavender and fish
.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I hate anything like smell like glade yeah, I think
if I had like a diffuser rightnow, I got rid of all of them
because I felt like there wasmold or something.
Oh yeah, because they've justbeen sitting there.
Yeah, I don't know.
I went through a whole perch ofthings but I'm like maybe like
essential oils, but I don't havea diffuser.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, and I think it is.
I think you got to get out thesnow before you can replace this
.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Maybe if I got like like turned my fans on, I should
have turned my fans on yeah,okay, yeah yeah, I've got things
I can do yeah, we'll seethere's still options before we
take a match to it.
We're gonna have dinner andthen I'll go home and we'll see
where we're at.
Yeah, and maybe I can open thewindows again, okay that was on
my mind it's good, I, I lovethat question.
It was so gross.
Halibut why?
(45:55):
Okay, yeah, that's the halibuttoo.
He accidentally bought too manyhalibut.
Halibuts, yeah, plural, anyway.
There was something about hethought it was by the pound, it
wasn't $75 worth of halibut andthere's two fillets in there.
And him going I'm never cookingfish again and I'm like there's
(46:17):
two really expensive fillets inthere, like I don't know what's
gonna happen.
We're gonna see.
Did you get?
Speaker 2 (46:23):
to eat any of the halibut.
No, also what?
What does halibut taste like?
He just like subjected you tofish smells and he didn't get to
reap any rewards.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
That's man, the first time this has happened in a
year, so I think I'll like and Iknow you know, he's very handy,
he's got redeeming qualities,he's got a lot of redeeming
qualities and he was the one whoacknowledged he was wrong.
Yeah, he violated the roommateagreement.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's all we can ask for.
Admit when you're wrong.
Yes, next time you cook thehalibut at least feed me some of
the halibut right, yeah I don'tknow if I want how I it.
It's the type of word thatsounds gross uh, like when you
eat it, I feel, I feel like it's, you know, it's like a typical
fish, fishy see I don't reallylike fish a lot.
(47:06):
I I like fish.
It depends.
So when he's cooking a halibut,invite me over there will be no
more halibut.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Maybe if there's like an outdoor grill somewhere, he
can go to the park.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, not even close by the park.
You've got to go grill threeblocks over man that's fair.
After the biological warfarehe's done on you, I think
sending him blocks away is veryfair it was awful, okay, um,
next one okay, I was on a clientcall this morning.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay, I won't give away confidential information,
but my client said the word likeand I was taking notes, right
and he said something aboutsomething being agitated and I
was like trying to write theword agitated, I was like I
don't know how to spell itagitated.
Do you ever have this happenwhere you're?
Like I hear words, the otherone is miscellaneous.
(48:00):
I can never spell miscellaneous.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
So I avid reader, terrible speller, and I had this
happen, I want to say,yesterday or today, Attorney
paralegal, where I was doingsome type of like intake call or
something with a potential newclient and and usually what I do
is I'll kind of like screen acall, send it to the attorney
(48:23):
and kind of be like you don'twant this or like you want this.
And I don't know if I was justlike out of it and like because
I've had a lot of discoveryresponding to blah, blah, um.
But I went back to like type upmy notes and half of them I was
like oh, oh, boy, um, somethingabout an agreement and, like
you know, I'm trying to likeread your own hand.
(48:44):
I could not, for the life of meread my own hand, it was half
the spelling, because I'll justlike kind of like, I'll like
write half of a word and be likethat's enough.
I know what that is, um, it'satrocious, but I definitely I'm
not good at spelling and and Iforget, this is a fact because
word and google and all mydevices, you know, they're kind
(49:07):
of like fixing it.
Oh, I understand basically whatyou meant and then I, if I
write something out, it's, oh,it's embarrassing how much I
can't spell.
Do you want to know how Ispelled?
Speaker 1 (49:16):
agitated spell it for me okay, the right way which I
wrote down here is a, g, I, I, t, a, t, e, d.
Okay, I wrote a, j and then Itried again and I I think I
wrote like a, c, yeah, and I waslike okay, this is for my
(49:42):
personal use.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I, I really feel like for me I'll get like stuck on
weird small words that I'm likethat's so okay.
The other day, for the life ofme, I was trying, there was a
scheduling poll, poll, p-o-l-l,p-o-l okay.
I kept being like why, likethat's not how you spell it, and
(50:05):
I realized my brain was tryingto get me to spell poll like
p-o-l-e and I just had to likewalk away from everything for a
minute and be like girl.
It's four letters.
So yeah, Do you?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
think we're just going to get worse with like
chat, gpt and all more stuff.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
You know, I don't, I haven't used chat GPT at all.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I'm, i're going to get left behind, which, like I
actually agree to a certainextent, but like figuring out
where to use it.
But to remember, like hey, likeI have been practicing like 10
years and went to law school forthree years.
I was about to say two, threeand there's like a way that my
brain works that I don't thinkai quite works yet yeah but
(51:01):
there are benefits, like whenI'm like I don't want to put
together this paragraph.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
That I know is kind of like a standard thing right,
I'm just like anyway yeah, I, I,you know I like it for because
all you know our firm uses likeLexisNexis and I like the review
like I like uploading like anopposition and our response and
having it like compare the caselaw things like that, where I'm
like I wasn't about to go lookup all these statutes and like
(51:26):
compare them.
I love that um.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
I didn't know it did that, because I'm not that type
of lawyer.
That sounds really good, though.
Oh it is, oh it is.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
But then there's other things where I'm like I
just don't, because I know thatAI does like hallucinations
where it'll just make stuff up.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Oh yes, like it made up those cases in New York and
it made up cases.
There was one I'm trying tothink, if I can share this,
unrelated to me, but like it'shappened subsequent to that
lawyer getting in big troubleyeah and it's like guys, like
literally, this was all over thelegal news yeah how are you
still not checking if it'smaking up cases?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
yeah, so I I haven't, I've, I've, you know, I've
played around with some of it.
But things like chat GPT, likefor my own personal use, I'm
very.
I do have younger friends whohave told me like I was
struggling with how to respondto a text, so I typed the
scenario into chat GPT and itgave me a response and I'm like
whoa.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I want to know somebody in my life, who will
remain nameless, has been usingit to respond on dating apps
thoughts.
You know, is that a biggerconversation?
You know, I was gonna say alsoit's not me, since I'm on dating
apps.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I've heard it's really bad out there in the
years since I've been off um I Iwould say it's probably, you
know, hilarious use of time.
Um depends on what you'relooking for, maybe yeah, if
you're just trying to like havefun and get easy dates, hey, let
the robot do it.
Um, if you're like looking tofind your soulmate, you should
(53:04):
probably like be who you areprobably.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I'm like you know, you have to eventually meet in
person, if you want this to goright, anyway, again, it's not
me.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not me either.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
So what are you obsessing over lately?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
like myself.
Um, it's always the true answer.
Um, within the last three days,um, rosa and I were watching tv
and we caught an episode of 48hours.
That was a cold case.
Usually they're like here'sthis case, it's been solved,
blah blah, but it was a coldcase.
Um, so I've had that likebouncing around in my brain,
(53:44):
because I love a cold case.
And then we were talking aboutum dateline.
Um, specifically, we weretalking about the host, keith
morrison, and bill haters.
Um, I don't know if you've everseen bill hater like parody
keith morrison doing dateline no, please send it to me I will,
it's so funny.
And then we were like how do wewatch dateline?
(54:04):
We found out it's free downloadlike pluto tv app.
There's a 24 7 dateline channel.
Oh my God.
That plays like nonstopDateline, and so for the past
two evenings we've been likejust sitting down and watching
Dateline.
It's a lot.
So definitely Dateline.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
So which is?
You know, I feel like I getlike.
I kind of get like miniobsessions, I feel like you know
, like if a song gets stuck inmy head, I'm like, well, that's
all I'll listen to for the next72 hours and I'll play it until
I hate it and it's burned in myhead um and then I'll let it go.
So my answer for the last threedays.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
It's Dateline nice mine is.
I got my house windows cleanedprofessionally for the first
time ever amazing inside,outside and the screens and I
didn't think it would make a bigdifference.
It does.
The pollen, so much pollen isgone and it's brighter.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
And I am telling everybody and now you have to
open those babies up and let thefish out okay.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
so I like to do a weekly recommendation, okay?
Um, mine this week is to dofloat therapy at Pure Sweat and
Float.
It's like sensory deprivation.
I do 40 minutes and like I'vebeen doing it like a year and a
half so I'm like I can get intolike a meditative state.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
I can go in with like so many thoughts going on and I
come out and I'm just likethat's so good.
I did it yesterday.
It was great.
That's so nice.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
What recommendation do you have?
Something I did a few weeks agoI'm not doing it anymore, but I
took like a rowing class whereyou like get into the boats and
they teach you like how to row,like as a team.
Like, do crew rowing out onPercy Priest Nashville Row Club?
(55:54):
Shout um, nashville Row Club,shout out, nashville Row Club.
Um, such a good time.
I didn't know anything, youknow, I've like kayaked before
and things like that.
Like I love a rowing machine atthe gym or something yeah, but.
I've never like gotten in a boatwith like a six person boat um
six people, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Okay, yeah, it was like full on rowing yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Very, very cool, learned a lot, beautiful time.
Um like met sweet people, um,and what was nice was that
introductory class was only twoweeks.
So you do like three times fortwo weeks, oh nice.
So it was a very and it and itwas kind of perfect where it
(56:37):
landed, cause I I feel like bothmy teams had like people
traveling and we weren'tpracticing, so I just happened
to have like two available weeksthat I normally wouldn't um
like no shows, but it was such,it was such a good time and it
was fun to like learn somethingbrand new.
I feel like I hadn't learnedsomething like really brand new
in a long time.
Um, so that was that would be my.
It is a little expensive.
(56:59):
I didn't realize those boats,those six person boats, are like
$40,000.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, cause I guess it um cause it got popular in
the Ivy league circles.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Oh, of course, right which?
Speaker 1 (57:11):
I picture.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I also enjoyed rowing because it really spoke to my
inner Yale bully persona whichyou can only tap into if you're
also rowing crew Nice.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, and what are you looking forward to most this
week?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Next weekend my friend Beth is coming down.
She lives in Kentucky.
I actually think she's one ofthe only people I know in town
that I don't know through improv.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Okay, wow, because most people I know through
improv.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Nice and she and I met at a show and then we go to
like a lot of concerts togetherand she's gonna come down and
we're gonna hang out, have alittle pool party at my
apartment.
Sounds awesome.
Yeah, I also have like improvon sunday, which I always.
I feel like we just talkedabout improv a lot.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
I always look forward to improv yeah, um, I'm looking
forward to I'm going to thenateland showcase tapings at
zany's yes I'm going on tuesdaywith my friend mariana.
Maybe we'll go to another one Ihave.
I have to decide.
But it's been a while sinceI've been, so I'm excited about
that.
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, I liked when we got to be in that studio for
the Chief of Thin Therapy.
Yeah, that was gosh that was awhile ago.
I guess I don't know when thatwas.
That was, I think, december.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
It was a while ago.
Yeah, well, we gotta wrap upbecause we would talk yeah
longer thank you so much yeah,and thanks for everyone for
being here.
Uh, tune in next week forlistening to my crunchy zen era.
Please subscribe and leave areview wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
This podcast is produced by me,nicole swisher, and my good
(58:52):
friends Summer Harkup and LizCoulter, editing is by Drew
Harrison Media and recording isdone by Lagos Creative in
Nashville, tennessee.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll be back next week.
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