October 16, 2025 • 52 mins
What do you get when believers, skeptics, and the cryptid-curious pack into a Bigfoot conference in Gatlinburg?
Midnight sightings. Missing time on desert roads. Portal theories. Skinwalker stories. And... way too much nacho cheese.
We spent a full day deep in the world of cryptids, fringe science, and seriously committed merch tables—and came back with the stories that stuck.
In this episode:
- Eyewitness accounts vs. expert panels
- Portal theories, EMF spikes & busted camera traps
- Skinwalkers, lost time, and Navajo Ranger testimony
- Bigfoot: shy, territorial... or something stranger?
- A surprising Mothman theory (with receipts)
- And why mystery still pulls us in
Plus: between the cryptids, we talk quitting caffeine, how silence can reset your brain, a new migraine med that actually helps, and what we’d change to make paranormal conferences better (hint: more Q&A, less gatekeeping).
If you’ve ever held belief and doubt in the same breath—this one's for you.
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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
What's something crunchier then that you've done
lately?
SPEAKER_03 (00:03):
Going for our summer.
So I stopped drinking caffeine.
You know, probably a couplemonths ago.
And it sounds crazy, but Ihighly recommend it.
Okay.
Are you awake?
It's kind of crazy because youstop relying on the on the
caffeine for energy.
(00:24):
Yeah.
And then I think your body justproduces more energy.
So I feel more energized nowthan I did when I was drinking
like three to four cups ofcoffee a day.
SPEAKER_04 (00:34):
Yeah, you've been drinking a ton of coffee since
I've known you.
SPEAKER_03 (00:36):
Yeah.
unknown (00:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (00:37):
What about you, Marianna?
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Uh I've been doing this weird thing where I've been
trying to not do anything orlike have anything on in the
background.
Like not meditating, not likeany sort of intentional
anything, just like sittingthere being a person, just like
what they must have done in theolden days.
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
Like just silence.
That's nice though.
It's peaceful.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
I've just been finding peace.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
That is like that is the most like Zen Crunchy era
thing I've ever heard.
Like this whole podcast.
unknown (01:11):
Like, what?
SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
Just na just just because I have to.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
Welcome to my Crunchy Zen era.
This is a weekly podcast filledwith a little fun, a little
humor, and a whole lot ofcuriosity.
I'm your host, Nicole Swisher.
And this week we are joined bytwo folks: Summer Harcup, my
lovely producer, all aroundgreat gal, and welcome back,
(01:45):
Marianna Barksdale, known andloved by the podcast.
And this week is kind ofexciting because we're talking
something pretty special.
Summer, what's our openingquestion?
SPEAKER_03 (01:57):
So our opening question is if there was a
mythical creature that doesn'texist but should exist, what
creature should that be?
And why?
SPEAKER_04 (02:09):
I mean, I was thinking about this and I would
love for there to be dragons aslong as you can ride them, like
in Game of Thrones.
Are they kind of like like petdragons?
Yeah, except they're more likeyou're bonded and they can
understand you, I guess, and youcan be like a dragon rider.
I think that'd be pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
Like like in the fourth wing?
SPEAKER_04 (02:33):
Yeah, which I have not read, but yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
Like in the romance series, The Fourth Wing, where
all of the people are bonded todragon riders.
Were they dragon riders?
SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
There are so many books and shows where that's the
case.
SPEAKER_01 (02:47):
It's so true.
But I just read The Fourth Wing,so it's fresh on my mind.
So obviously that's the one I goto.
But yes, I'll I'll I'm like, Iwant Nicole's answer because
that was perfect.
But also, my new answer is eggtooth ghost.
SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
Eggtooth ghost.
You've had that on your chairsince we got here.
SPEAKER_04 (03:05):
What is that?
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (03:07):
Can you describe it for our audience who's
listening?
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
It looks like an egg, a tooth, and a ghost if you
mush them all together into onething.
SPEAKER_03 (03:14):
Also, it's a stuffed animal she's holding up.
SPEAKER_01 (03:16):
Oh, it's a stuffed animal that I'm holding up.
SPEAKER_03 (03:18):
So where did you get that?
And who gave it to you?
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
This is from our the big me and Nicole went to a Big
Tooth.
We went to a Bigfoot conferencein May?
No, May.
July.
July.
unknown (03:34):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (03:35):
Yeah.
This is in July.
Which by the way, we're here totalk about Bigfoot today.
SPEAKER_03 (03:39):
Yes.
So when you guys say a Bigfootconference, what exactly was it?
Was it just a bunch of peoplewho believe in Bigfoot who all
come to East Tennessee and telleach other why they believe in
Bigfoot?
You want to take that, Marianna,or shall I?
SPEAKER_01 (03:54):
I feel like you should.
SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
Okay.
So it was there were multiplespeakers who were um like
professionals at talking aboutBigfoot.
Some of them were like, let'ssee, they they were all like
over the place of like some werevery like scientific.
Others were a little bit morelike on the woo side of things.
And there were multiple likepanels and stuff.
(04:18):
I don't know how many peoplethere like were Bigfoot like
truly believers or BigfootCurious or Bigfoot I Wish He
Existed.
SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
So those those are three separate categories.
Because I would say I am BigfootCurious.
I want to know more, which iswhy I'm asking you, you know,
you guys these questions.
My I would wonder who had thebest evidence that Bigfoot
existed.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_01 (04:46):
See, I've been thinking a lot about this, and
it's not even it wasn't even theBigfoot speakers because there
were other speakers.
Like to me, the most compellingspeaker was the Skinwalker Ranch
guy.
SPEAKER_04 (04:58):
Yes.
The what?
Also terrifying.
Terrifying Skinwalker Ranch guy.
And we met him after.
But go go explain what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
The Skinwalker Ranch guy.
So Skinwalker Ranch is thisranch in Texas.
And it is just this is like ahotbed of activity where just a
lot of different things haveoccurred over the years.
But a lot of it's happened.
Um I don't know how to explainit.
It's like a lot of differentinexplicable things where they
(05:28):
didn't have cell phones, theydidn't have cameras, they didn't
have a lot of like anything totell the story, and I think
that's why it happened.
But they do have photographicevidence of like I don't I don't
remember like all of his I don'tknow.
He had this great PowerPointpresentation.
SPEAKER_04 (05:46):
He did.
And what was interesting abouthim is he wasn't specifically
talking Bigfoot.
Yeah.
He was talking cryptids?
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
Yeah, cryptids.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
Um, but so he talked about like he lost time one
time.
Like he was just like driving,and then like the next thing he
knew it was like an hour aheadof time.
And like he uh went had thislike unexplainable like scratch
show up, and he was like talkingabout um hitchhikers of like
(06:16):
spirits where you're likesomewhere and then they like
hitchhike with you, and it waskind of scary, not gonna lie.
And yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
He was a Navajo Ranger, yes, a Navajo Ranger,
yeah.
Okay, so that was like thething.
He's like a police officer forlike the Navajo Nation.
SPEAKER_04 (06:34):
I think that's how it kind of is, but yeah, I just
and the skinwalkers are supposedto be like um, I'm gonna get it
wrong.
Not they're not like demons,they're like spirits or
something along those lines thatcan take different forms.
Yeah.
And is one of those formsBigfoot.
I don't know if he actuallystated that.
SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Yeah.
They're like these, they'rethey're almost like uh like a in
my head, they were almost like alike a fried dog.
SPEAKER_04 (07:02):
Yeah, because they he was talking about like
somebody had this like mangy dogshow up, yeah, which is and then
they you know hit it andbasically killed it, which was
terrible.
But then the guy got like supersick and the dog like
disappeared, and I think the guyrecovered after he went to like
the spirit healer or something,and she was like, You had an
(07:23):
interaction with a skinwalker.
SPEAKER_03 (07:25):
So a skinwalker is not inherently evil, yeah,
right?
I I'm unclear on that note.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
I think they might be.
SPEAKER_04 (07:34):
So basically like stay away from the skinwalkers.
Respect.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, respect sounds good.
unknown (07:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (07:41):
And so some of this, I feel like okay, so this um
conference, I originally heardabout it because I listened to
Nateland and they had a Bigfootexpert on very early on.
And he mentioned going to aBigfoot conference.
There's a few around the US.
This one was in Gatlinburg atthe Smoky Mountains, because
that is a hotbed of Bigfootactivity, I think, is my
(08:01):
understanding.
I'm from Minnesota and we havelots of Bigfoot stuff.
Like up in Remer, there's anentire um festival for Bigfoot
every year.
And I have maybe stayed at acabin hoping to see a Bigfoot
before.
So we went and it was like oneday of just like panel different
(08:22):
things.
And so, like the first fewpanels were like evidence, and
then like as you go on, we hadlike the Navajo Ranger talk, and
then they talked about Mothman.
And so it was likeBigfoot-centric, I would say the
three-fourths of it, and then itwas like cryptids in general.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yeah.
unknown (08:42):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (08:43):
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
You know who was the most compelling argument for
Bigfoot?
I actually just realized this,and it I was thinking about it
because of the the migrainemedicine.
I just started taking thismigraine medicine that makes me
feel like I have a hand on myface.
Hand on the face guy.
I knew it was hand on the faceguy.
SPEAKER_04 (09:00):
Because they had people sharing their Bigfoot
experiences.
Oh.
Like testimonies.
I saw Bigfoot, I promise.
Yeah.
This was great.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
This was great.
SPEAKER_04 (09:09):
Are you wondering what cryptas are?
I am.
Okay.
Uh they're like, what are they?
Like mythical, like creaturesthat people maybe actually
believe.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
It's like the classification that Bigfoot's
in.
SPEAKER_04 (09:22):
Bigfoot, um, the the cat, the wampus cat.
Yeah.
What?
The wampus cat.
It's I think it's a local, it'slike a a cat that like Wampuses.
Wampuses.
SPEAKER_01 (09:33):
Exactly.
It's a cat that wampuses.
SPEAKER_04 (09:35):
So episode five with Sarah Holofeld that I had on the
podcast, she like talks aboutcryptids a little bit more.
And that was what like with thebooks she wrote, she used that
as like a world that she builtit out of.
If anyone wants to go back andwatch that or listen.
SPEAKER_03 (09:53):
So did everybody there believe in Bigfoot?
Were there any Bigfoot deniers?
Or is that not a thing at aBigfoot convention?
I mean, no one spoke up.
SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
Yeah, no, I don't think they would have because
the people who believed inBigfoot, I think, would have
fought you.
They would seriously.
Yeah.
No, it was and and they were,you know, like, yeah, they were
serious.
SPEAKER_04 (10:10):
They were serious.
And am I remembering correctlythat there were like no filming?
Oh, yeah.
Oh.
No, there was no filming.
No filming.
SPEAKER_01 (10:18):
You could take pictures, but you could not
film.
SPEAKER_04 (10:21):
Yeah.
You got one with Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
Yeah.
I did get a picture withBigfoot.
SPEAKER_04 (10:25):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:26):
He put his hand on my head.
Hand on face guy though.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Yeah, hand on face guy.
Yeah.
He said that he was sleepingout, I didn't catch where,
somewhere in the woods at acabin that his um grandma owned.
And he left the window openbecause they didn't have AC and
it was really hot.
And he was sleeping, and he wokeup to a hand on his face, and it
was like hairy and smelly.
(10:51):
And he like jumped up on his bedand like screamed, and he saw
Bigfoot like walking away fromhis window.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's terrifying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then he was like, Don't gointo the woods.
Don't go in the woods alone.
I he's like, I used to be anoutdoorsman.
I won't go in the woods anymore.
Which feels compelling.
SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
Yeah.
No, that was compelling to mebecause I'm very much like
outdoorsy and I'm like, well,not that outdoorsy, but like if
anyone was like, Oh, I don't gooutside anymore, I'm like, oh,
that's a big deal.
SPEAKER_03 (11:23):
Yeah.
I think it'd be really hard ifyou have a bunch of people, you
know, in a at a at a conferenceand they all swear that they've
seen Bigfoot or they've seensomething that, you know,
suggests that Bigfoot is real, Ithink it'd be really hard to
say, no, no, what you're whatyou saw and what everybody else
in this room saw is not true.
SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:43):
I think there's strength in numbers, is what I'm
saying.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (11:46):
Maybe everyone walks away and they're like, well,
maybe not after.
But like when you're there,you're like, absolutely.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (11:54):
So, you know, when I was preparing for this, I
started going down this rabbithole of what Bigfoot is.
And there's some people whobelieve that there's some sort
of alien connection, thatBigfoot is an physical
embodiment of the paranormal.
I mean, is that something thatcame up at the conference?
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Oh, it did.
SPEAKER_03 (12:15):
Really?
Take it away, Mariana.
SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Wonder you should mention that.
There's a whole theory.
It's called the portal theory.
Is this the portal theory?
SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
The portal theory.
I think it's related.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Okay.
I feel like this is so there'sthis theory, the portal theory,
that there's other dimensionsthat are on Earth where the
Bigfoot basically comes in andout of this other dimension of
time.
And and I think that there'sother creatures in that
dimension that might be whatother people consider to be
aliens or what we would considerto be aliens.
(12:49):
Or alien to us.
You know what I mean?
Like they're just not what weare.
Um but I don't know if thatnecessarily feeds into that it
he it is an alien, you know.
SPEAKER_04 (13:00):
But there's like belie some people like, have you
ever seen the pictures ofBigfoot being taken up by the
spaceship?
I think I've seen like Or the uhbumper sticker.
Yes.
Yeah, yes, like there'sdefinitely people who believe
it's a legitimate like alien.
SPEAKER_01 (13:15):
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
I knew that too.
SPEAKER_04 (13:16):
But there's definitely like the portal
theory because they're like,well, how can't you find him?
Right.
How does he quickly go?
One question that came up waslike, why aren't there more
pictures of him?
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (13:27):
And the expert panel got into this, and it was like
it started off like generallykind of normal of like, well, he
like moves quickly, he'scamouflaged, and then it like
got progressively more woo-woo.
And then they're like, Well, allthe electronics break around
him, and then I I feel like itgot into like the portal theory.
(13:48):
Yeah, and it was like an extremeon that panel, it was fabulous.
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
Yeah, no, that was a great panel.
I feel like it wasn't even thatwoo-woo with the the electronics
breaking around him necessarily.
Like, I am like, yeah, obviouslyelectronics break around him.
Uh duh.
SPEAKER_04 (14:06):
So we went up to a podcaster after this, and I was
like, I said, is it possiblethat they're not getting
pictures of Bigfoot because he'sreally sensitive to um
electromagnetic uh EM oh mygosh, I can't think of the word.
EMFs.
EMFs, thank you.
Yeah, EMFs.
And then he just like, I don'tquite didn't quite understand
(14:28):
his response, but I don't thinkhe understood what I was saying
either.
And so then he went into theelectronics all breaking and he
claimed he had like seen him,maybe, and his but his camera
broke, and so he just didn't getit like the picture.
SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
So I feel like that there are some old school
cameras out there that aremechanical to the extent that
they're not digital, that youcould sit there with them in the
woods with like someone orsomething that's still enough
and take just time-lapsepictures enough to that you
would get one eventually.
SPEAKER_04 (15:01):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Are you saying you don't believeMarianna?
SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
No, I do believe.
I really believe that he thatthey break the digital cameras.
I do, like that's the thing.
I'm I'm on their side.
SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
I just something I find odd is nobody's ever found
a body, right?
Yeah, nobody's ever found andright.
I mean, unless there's somethingat the conference.
I mean, the no, there is no bodythat's ever been found.
SPEAKER_04 (15:25):
Yeah, so the argument they give is that like
you hardly ever find like deadbears either because the animals
in the forest all like eat themup and stuff.
Okay.
I'm not saying that'sinaccurate, but maybe it's the
portal, maybe it disappears.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Yeah, I will say my cat kills a lot of animals and
they generally explode within aday because of the maggots.
So yeah, it's disgusting.
And I know bigger animals aredifferent, but and that this is
not anywhere near the same sizeas these little birds, but
nature does work its way, youknow, pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_03 (16:04):
So w when you were there, I mean was who's who's
the best dressed?
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
Who?
SPEAKER_03 (16:13):
Yeah, was there I pictured that lady.
SPEAKER_04 (16:15):
That lady.
The um moth lady?
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
Yeah, moth lady.
Oh my god, moth lady.
Wait, so her hair, the mothlady, she had this amazing hair.
We should, I should have lookedup her name.
SPEAKER_04 (16:27):
Her hair went down to like her knees.
SPEAKER_01 (16:29):
Yeah, it was incredible.
It was like it was like iceblonde.
Why didn't I look up her name?
SPEAKER_04 (16:34):
Natural?
SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Uh no.
I was like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (16:38):
I think that's a no, but who cares?
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Gorgeous.
Yeah.
I think Moth Lady was the bestdress.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_04 (16:45):
We're calling her Moth Lady because she did the
whole presentation on Mothman.
SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
Yeah.
Which I now don't believe in.
SPEAKER_04 (16:51):
So what is Mothman?
Marianna, I think you know moreabout this.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Okay, yeah, I do.
Because I was kind of obsessedwith the movie The Mothman
Prophecies.
Do you remember that?
SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
I never saw it, but I was it was it who's the actor?
SPEAKER_01 (17:06):
Dustin Hoffman.
I think it's Dustin Hoffman.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (17:08):
I don't know.
I know it came out in 2001.
Yeah, it's like a like a whileago.
SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
Yeah, so it's about basically the this bridge
collapsing, and everybody's waslike, oh, we saw Mothman right
before it collapsed.
And I was obsessed and Ibelieved in Mothman like from
2001 until this conference.
Really?
And then she went over likeevery scrap of evidence that's
ever happened of Mothman, and Iwas like, oh, I don't believe in
it anymore.
SPEAKER_03 (17:34):
What did she provide to you that made you say, okay,
Mothman doesn't exist?
SPEAKER_04 (17:37):
I think it was just she like went over everything,
every detail of like how thereports she had gone back in
into like the archives of likenews clippings, and she
presented other possible birdsbirds that it could have been,
and that it had never like shownup again, basically.
(18:01):
And there was actually like thebridge collapsing, there was a
physical thing that caused it.
Yeah.
It wasn't just like boom, itwent.
SPEAKER_03 (18:09):
Oh, so the the whole premise of Mothman is that when
Mothman shows up, somethingbad's gonna happen.
Is that kind of the implication?
Yeah, yeah.
And then is it a giant moth?
SPEAKER_04 (18:18):
I mean, I don't So it's like a big man with big
wings.
SPEAKER_02 (18:21):
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (18:23):
I hadn't heard of him till I like saw the
pamphlet.
I'm not up on my cryptids toomuch, but gosh.
I mean it's definitely creepy.
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
Yeah, very creepy.
Great myth.
But also, she was very much justlike, you guys are like the fans
and the reason we're here, andlike she kind of did like the
playing to the crowd a littlebit, and I was like, Oh yeah,
we're the reason you're eating.
SPEAKER_04 (18:43):
Yeah, she was like hyping the crowd at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Yeah.
But I like I love really enjoyedwhat she was saying, and like,
you know, I liked le listeningto it.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:53):
Did every anybody have a uh I guess a testimony
where you're like they'rethey're telling the truth.
Like they I believe them.
I they they said that they sawBigfoot and I believe what they
said.
SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
I mean, I believed two of the three testimonies.
SPEAKER_04 (19:07):
I wonder if it's the same one.
The other one I believed, youwant to say it?
I bet you know.
SPEAKER_01 (19:12):
The woman?
SPEAKER_04 (19:12):
Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
In the wheelchair.
The woman in the wheelchair,yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (19:16):
Yeah, what was her testimony?
SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
Oh, we could do it ver verbatim.
You want to do it together?
SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
We could try.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Okay.
She was like, also Bigfoot.
He was very big.
SPEAKER_04 (19:29):
Okay, there was a little more to it.
That was like her mic drop.
And then they did like they likeseen him across a um parking lot
or something.
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (19:40):
And she was like, and then we didn't we didn't
know what he was.
We went home and we didn't havethe internet, and then I told
somebody about what it was, andthey were like, that's a
bigfoot.
And she was like, and he wasvery big.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Yeah.
She was great.
Yeah, she was great.
Kathy.
SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
Just very we named her Kathy.
Not her name.
Not her real name.
Not her name.
SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Is it like one of those things where you know
somebody goes and says, like, Isaw Bigfoot, and then like the
crowd gets really amped and theycheer, like, yeah, like or is it
or is it very calm and subtle?
SPEAKER_04 (20:13):
Okay.
And okay, the best part is thatthey only got like four, I
think, four people, maybe three,to do these, and it's like they
ran out of people to share.
So the guy started just likereading a book.
SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:27):
It was fabulous.
Oh, I was so boring.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
I looked it up on the website though, so they had
slots for 10 people because youcould have a slot for a
10-minute spot.
Wow.
For a 10-minute story, becausethere was one guy that had like
every story shoved into like hislittle spot.
He just kept going and going andgoing.
We called him the Rambler.
SPEAKER_04 (20:50):
Okay.
And did you believe him?
No.
He he had too many, like youknow, when someone's lying, they
provide too many details.
Yes.
That's what he was doing.
SPEAKER_03 (21:01):
Interesting.
SPEAKER_04 (21:01):
And he and it was like, and my dad said this, and
then my sister, you know, wedidn't want to tell her anything
because she goes to that cabinand we didn't want her to be
scared that there might be agiant man out there, which I
don't tell your sister.
Why would you let your sister goto a cabin in the middle of
nowhere knowing there's aBigfoot, or if not a Bigfoot, a
giant man walking around?
(21:22):
I had a problem with that.
But he just like, I don't know,just so many details, so many
ramblings, and he just keptgoing.
I timed him because I was like,is he gonna stop?
He went like eight minutesstraight, and then Marianna told
me later he had 10 minutes, so Iwas like, well, I guess he did a
good job by stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (21:40):
Yeah, he didn't even run the light.
He didn't run the light.
Wow, he had two more minutes.
I looked that up on the websitebecause I was like, maybe we'll
like submit a story.
But I didn't want to be likethat, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (21:54):
If you guys saw Bigfoot, and I mean like really
saw Bigfoot, what would you do?
Because I would whip out myiPhone and try to get a picture.
SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
Oh, and then he and then you run away, you wouldn't
be able to get one.
You break your phone.
SPEAKER_04 (22:08):
I think I would just freeze.
Because I feel like it would belike the same if I encountered
like a bear or something.
I just kind of like freeze,which is not what you're
supposed to do for the record,but yeah, and we're not supposed
to do that for a bear.
No, which we almost saw a bear.
SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
We did almost see a bear.
SPEAKER_04 (22:25):
Really?
So we were hiking, so we went tothe mountains, obviously.
I know we just got sidetracked,but we were hiking very early
because the smokies get insanelybusy.
And so there weren't like a tonof people ahead of us.
And we like came up to thesepeople and they're like, There's
a bear up there, and they werejust like waiting for it to go
away, and they like didn't knowwhat to do because they don't
(22:48):
hike.
I mean, I know what to do, Istill don't think I would have
done it.
But then we like went to thewaterfall and then these people
were coming back and they werelike, Are there a lot of people
there?
Because we had this bear likefollowing us or something, and
yeah, so it was intense.
How do you know that that wasn'tBigfoot?
SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
Because I feel like at a Bigfoot convention, if
Bigfoot shows up, I mean that isthe ultimate convention.
That's the ultimate.
Right.
I don't know, we just have totake these people's word for it
because we didn't see it.
I don't think we even heard it.
Yeah, sad.
So do people go to thisconvention?
It's an annual convention?
Yes.
Every single year.
Yeah.
And people like submit to bespeakers.
(23:27):
Is there is there a bigfoot?
Who decides like who gets tospeak?
Like who gets to be the experton this?
SPEAKER_04 (23:34):
I don't know.
I mean, there must have been abigfoot committee or something.
SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
There must have been something.
Like some whoever was runningthe conference, they take it
very seriously.
SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
They organize a cruise as well.
SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
There's a Bigfoot cruise.
SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
I think we should go on the Bigfoot cruise.
SPEAKER_03 (23:49):
Wait, so Bigfoot cruise go.
SPEAKER_01 (23:52):
Alaska.
SPEAKER_03 (23:53):
Really, obviously.
I mean, and then like otherexcursions that are all related
to Bigfoot?
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
No.
No.
I think it's just a I think it'sjust like a hangout talk about
Bigfoot cruise.
SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
Community.
Yeah.
I get this that the the Bigfootthing, it's it seems like a
group, like almost like anidentity.
Like I feel like these peopleare probably really tied into
this belief, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03 (24:18):
Like consumes them.
SPEAKER_01 (24:19):
Yeah, there's a camaraderie for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
Were there so they had Bigfoot, they had Mothman.
Were there any other things thatwere discussed at the
conference?
Any other cryptids, I think isthe word you used.
That is the word.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Were there I don't think they're they didn't talk
about a lot of the lessercryptids, although I think that
would have been superinteresting, especially because
Eggtooth Ghost, I mean, what?
Like, how cool is this littleguy?
I know he existed.
He's so cute.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
He might be a made-up one though.
He could be all the others aretrue, obviously.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
I mean, obviously.
Obviously.
SPEAKER_04 (24:54):
I think the like the the Navajo Ranger, we talked to
him.
Yeah, that was clear.
Yeah.
Yeah, because we were a littletired.
So we'd found like a little spotand then he was like walking by.
And so we actually got to askhim a couple more questions.
And I don't he like I had askedhim about the scratch because he
just was like, I got a scratch.
And then he just like moved on.
(25:15):
I was like, what are we talkingabout?
He said that like he it justlike showed up when they were I
don't even remember what was.
SPEAKER_01 (25:22):
Like they were Well, he said the scratch started like
here and then went all the wayaround his arm and ended up over
here.
SPEAKER_04 (25:30):
Mm-hmm.
And he didn't remember ithappening.
It just, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
But he said he would be driving down the road and
he'd be like, specifically inone area.
So he, you know, he you're inthe middle of like Texas or or
like the West, and you're likesomewhere, and he'd be going to
get an oil change, and he'd knowhow many miles were on his car,
and then all of a sudden he'd be30 miles down the road or like
30 minutes down the road.
I can't remember what the amountwas.
(25:55):
But you know how you're justlike, you don't tune out that
much.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
So you know they kind of went through this portal
of time.
SPEAKER_01 (26:03):
That's what it sounded like.
SPEAKER_04 (26:04):
It was that or somebody moved him.
Yeah, moved him, or like Iwasn't sure which he was getting
at.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Or like from what I think of with like alien
abductions, is like they takeyou and then you lose the time,
and then you can you can go backand regress to it, I think, with
like hypnosis.
SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
I think that guy should have regression.
SPEAKER_03 (26:25):
I should have wished I'd asked him about that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
We'll go back.
SPEAKER_03 (26:28):
You should you guys, yeah.
Maybe I'll join.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:31):
No, that sounds like a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (26:32):
I have two other friends who want to go so bad.
SPEAKER_04 (26:34):
Bryn wants to go now.
SPEAKER_01 (26:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:35):
Uh uh uh Yeah, and I feel like there was somebody
else.
I feel like you wanted to go.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
I have two other friends.
I have a scientist friend thatwants to go really bad.
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
I think I don't know, I feel like I'm a very
objective person.
So I would want to know hardfacts, right?
Like I would want to, it's likeI would want them to prove to me
that Bigfoot existed.
SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
I feel like we should sit up front next time
though.
Okay.
Yeah, we're closer.
Closer.
SPEAKER_04 (26:57):
Yeah.
I mean, it was fascinating.
I still like that Navajo guykind of like he was very
legitimate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it kind of creeped me out alittle bit.
Super nice.
Oh yeah.
But yeah, I got the creeps alittle bit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
No, I know his life was scary, scary to me.
Like his existence scared me.
Not like him.
He was great.
He was a nice person.
But like what he went through,like actually scared me.
And I was so happy I didn't livein the West.
SPEAKER_03 (27:27):
So are Bigfoot intrinsically trying to harm
humans?
Or are is Bigfoot a friendlycreature?
I don't think he's either.
SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
Like I think that Bigfoot is is not trying to harm
people.
He just like wants to be leftalone, very like solitary.
And so we're like more and moreencroaching on his territory.
And so when you he's veryterritorial, that's one way
thing we learned.
And so when like campers oranyone like come into their
territory, they like start tolike throw things and try to
(27:59):
like scare you away.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
Yeah.
I think.
SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
So what is that?
SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
That's the noise they make.
unknown (28:05):
Whoop.
SPEAKER_03 (28:06):
Can't do it.
The Bigfoot call.
unknown (28:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
That's the Bigfoot call.
So if you haven't seen WillowCreek, that's Bobcat Goldplate's
um found footage horror movieabout Bigfoots.
SPEAKER_04 (28:19):
I say Bigfoot, Big Feet, Bigfoot, Big Feet.
SPEAKER_03 (28:23):
Because there's multiple, right?
Bigfoot.
They're like they're multipleBigfoots.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
It's a good grammar question.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (28:30):
Are they all big foot?
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
Because you'd think I don't know.
No.
SPEAKER_04 (28:33):
No, because in that old video, they said it was a
woman because of her breasts.
Obviously.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
So the lady Bigfoot.
They talk about anatomy.
Remember?
SPEAKER_04 (28:48):
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, and then the guy with thehand on face guy.
SPEAKER_01 (28:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (28:52):
He said he thought it was like a younger Bigfoot
because it was just like curiousbecause he was snoring and it
wanted to know what that noisewas.
So like a child Bigfoot or likea teenager.
Like a teenager.
SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:05):
I wonder in our lifetime if people will be able
to irrefutably determine thatlike Bigfoot is real.
SPEAKER_01 (29:13):
That'd be amazing.
Yeah.
I feel like we're going to havetoo much technology around soon.
Too much 5G.
It's going to drive them allaway in the next dimension.
I don't know.
That's just my own theory.
Yeah.
I think singularity is going todrive them away.
SPEAKER_04 (29:28):
What's singularity?
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
Uh, when computers can think.
SPEAKER_04 (29:32):
Oh, like AI.
That'll drive me away too.
SPEAKER_01 (29:34):
Yes.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_04 (29:36):
We'll go live with Bigfoot.
We want to come with you.
SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
The Bigfoot's.
We don't, they won't care aboutgrammar.
SPEAKER_03 (29:41):
I get the impression that Bigfoot doesn't want to be
seen.
Yes.
Or it doesn't want to berecorded.
I wonder why that is.
Like, why is Bigfoot so likesuch an introvert?
SPEAKER_04 (29:52):
Such an introvert.
I never thought about Bigfootthat way, but I feel like that's
perfect.
That's a good reason.
Is an introvert?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I had a shirt during COVID.
That said it had Bigfoot on itand it said social distancing
champion.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:05):
And I wish I'd worn that today.
SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
Yeah.
Definitely.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:10):
But I mean, I feel like it there's a lot of animals
that are like that that don'twant to be near people.
Mariana.
And it took forever for peopleto find a gorilla.
People didn't believe thegorilla existed until somebody
finally like shot it and broughtit back to England.
SPEAKER_02 (30:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:33):
But I I think it was the 19th century.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
I don't know.
I just feel like anything that'sthat big and that like not
dependent on any sort of societyin general, like, why wouldn't
you stay hidden, you know?
SPEAKER_03 (30:49):
And so it's not a human thing.
It this is this is like pureanimal.
I feel like there's somethingthere.
Okay, we have- It's a monkey.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
Can you do you remember?
It's a monkey.
SPEAKER_04 (30:59):
Well, that's what Marianna believes.
That's what I think.
Why is it a monkey?
SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
Because it looks like a monkey.
SPEAKER_04 (31:04):
It looks like a monkey.
Yes.
But but some of the people onthe panel said that it's like I
do believe someone said it wasan alien.
Yes.
Someone said it was part monkeyor primate.
Primate.
The North American primate.
Another one said it was halfhuman, half Nephilim.
What's that?
(31:25):
Oh yeah.
So it's the Bible from theBible.
It's half human, half angel.
Oh.
And then another one said it'shalf, or it's a descendant of
Cain.
The first murderer.
SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
Yes.
So that that's controversialtopic.
It's controversial.
I think people have so muchfascination with Bigfoot because
it does have a human aspect toit.
And it walks like a human.
That that's what gets me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
It walks like a like a divorced dad, you know?
It's got quite a gate on it, youknow?
SPEAKER_03 (32:03):
It's just well, there you have it, folks.
Bigfoot.
Divorced dad.
I don't know.
Yeah.
So what do you eat at a Bigfootconference?
SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
Oh, nachos.
SPEAKER_03 (32:19):
Nachos.
Nachos.
I feel like they I wantedsomething more creative.
They were selling concessions.
SPEAKER_04 (32:25):
Just like your normal concessions.
SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
But I got nachos.
Yes.
Because it was too trafficy tolike stop, and I didn't want to
get anything else.
So I got nachos and I was like,Can we have extra cheese?
Yeah.
I got he got me like fourcheeses, and me and Nicole like
balanced them all on the way tothe car.
I love that.
It's like in 120-degree heat.
SPEAKER_03 (32:47):
Right.
Because it's in the middle ofthe summertime.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
Oh, it was amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
It was glorious.
SPEAKER_04 (32:50):
And okay, it's so weird where it's taking place
because it's in the umconvention center in Gatlinburg.
Okay.
And so we like show up andthere's just tourists everywhere
because it's Gatlinburg.
And so when we did go out toeat, we went to like five guys,
and we're just squishing pastall these like families just
(33:13):
touring Gatlinburg.
And then there's all thesepeople with Bigfoot
paraphernalia walking around.
And I just imagine, like, whatwere those families like?
Where are we?
Yeah.
How many people were at theconvention?
Like 200, 300?
It's a lot of people.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
Definitely enough to fit in a comedy club.
SPEAKER_04 (33:33):
It was like, yeah.
And it it was only half full,like, of how many chairs they
actually had out.
SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
Yeah, there was a lot of chairs empty.
SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
We really anticipated more.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:45):
High hopes.
SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
I wonder if that's like how full the convention
they always put out that manyfor a convention thing.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
But that's why we had to sit further back.
It was because there was likeVIP this and then this type of
VIP and then this one.
And then we did just did generaladmission.
So we were like way back.
Were there like honored guests?
I mean, if you bought theticket.
Okay.
So there, I mean, there werepeople who bought front row
tickets.
Yeah.
(34:12):
And they were like, they paidwhat, like 300 bucks?
SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
I will say most people bought the VIP ticket.
Yes, they did.
We were like the we were amongstlike maybe 30 people hanging out
in the back.
Like we were the bad kids in theback.
Which is like a first for me.
I was usually the one in thefront of the class.
SPEAKER_04 (34:31):
Yeah, that's so funny.
And then there's vendors.
Uh huh.
So you can't forget the vent.
That's where egg tooth ghostscame from.
That's where Mary Eggdockerswere egg tooth ghosts.
Adorable.
Thank you.
Um, so lots of Bigfoot stuff,shirts, I don't even know.
All the things.
Yeah.
Stuffed animals, um, podcasters,yeah.
(34:52):
Uh-huh.
Stickers.
Signs.
Yeah.
So I think that next year wecould go in as a vendor and we
could sell some stuff.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:02):
All kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (35:02):
Friendship bracelets.
All sorts of stuff.
Yeah.
Friendship, friendship.
Definitely.
SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Oh, that'd be fun.
Oh, I would do that.
We should start making stuffnow.
SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
We definitely should.
SPEAKER_03 (35:12):
In my mind, Bigfoot is an American thing.
Right?
Like Minnesota, people be gonnaUtah, New Mexico.
I'd be so interested to know ifpeople from China or Europe are
also on board with this.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
Isn't it the Yeti?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
In the is it in Nepal?
Where the there's like amountainous area there.
And so they over there it's theYeti because it's white.
And so it blends in with thesnow.
SPEAKER_03 (35:42):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (35:42):
So different cultures have it.
Like Native Americans havestories about Bigfoot.
Like it goes way back.
SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
Yeah.
Well that they have storiesabout working with Bigfoot.
Don't they?
Isn't that what they said?
SPEAKER_04 (35:54):
I think so.
SPEAKER_01 (35:54):
I think that they had little they touched on that
like uh anecdotes about umNative Americans working with
Bigfoot.
Bigfoots.
I don't know.
Big feet.
Big feet.
Yeah.
The Big Feet.
You know.
Um you just uh like helping thembuild things and and like live.
SPEAKER_03 (36:14):
Yeah.
To me, I couldn't imagine justdoing my job, you know, digging
whatever I needed, like buildingmy blocks, and then having the
Bigfoot hand me a block.
I mean that that to me that's orwhatever, whatever they did.
Yeah.
I mean that that soundsabsolutely crazy.
I don't think I can handle that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
That sounds amazing to me.
That's like my calling.
Yeah.
Be like that'd be like beingfriends with a wrestler.
That'd be like being friendswith Brock Lesnar.
That would be like being friendswith Brock Lesnar.
SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
Someone and I were like, Y'all don't know who we
know who that is.
We don't do wrestling.
Yes, Mary.
That would be like Andre theGiant handing stuff.
Okay.
Nope.
SPEAKER_03 (36:56):
Couldn't pick them out in a lineup, but I knew the
name.
SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
I feel like that would be so fun.
SPEAKER_03 (37:00):
Yeah.
And and Bigfoot like doesn'tspeak English, right?
Like it is.
SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
Good question.
SPEAKER_04 (37:06):
I have so many thoughts, but I didn't get the
impression that it did.
SPEAKER_01 (37:10):
I don't think it speaks, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (37:12):
They have like grunts and whistles.
That's how they communicate.
Yeah.
Kind of like monkeys.
Yeah.
Like monkeys.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
But I don't think they have language.
Not that we they didn't get tothat part.
What a good question.
You're coming next year.
SPEAKER_04 (37:24):
Okay, I'll come next year and ask.
Here's my complaint to theBigfoot Conference.
Yeah.
There were no there wasn't aquestion and answer session.
Really?
Yeah.
Ever.
I feel like I'd go wild.
I don't know.
You'd fit in.
You'd do great.
SPEAKER_01 (37:37):
Yeah, I know.
I honestly wish you could evensubmit questions beforehand.
SPEAKER_04 (37:42):
Yeah, and I think that they wanted to like keep a
hold on everything.
SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I bet it can go off the railspretty quick.
SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
So they don't want like bigfoot deniers, is what
you're saying.
Or like people challenging that.
They wanted could be.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
Yeah.
Well, I feel like it's alreadyhard enough to like put the
conference on in the firstplace.
So, you know, they're like,well, it's already hard enough
to like get the enthusiasm up.
We don't want to have like openthe door for it, would almost be
like having a question answerlike for comedy.
SPEAKER_03 (38:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
You know?
SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
Yeah.
Maybe.
SPEAKER_01 (38:17):
Maybe that's what they think would happen.
SPEAKER_04 (38:19):
So you're trying to basically like keep the momentum
going.
Yeah.
And I actually think everyonethere was super nice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (38:26):
I mean, it they are probably exactly as everyone
listening is picturing them.
What they look like, how theyact a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (38:34):
I feel like a lot of people would be wearing just
really interesting hats.
SPEAKER_04 (38:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:38):
Yeah.
A lot of hats.
Oh.
A lot of camo.
My goodness.
Camo.
SPEAKER_01 (38:42):
You don't understand.
Like one of the main guys had ona leather cowboy hat that like I
can't stop thinking about,actually.
SPEAKER_04 (38:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
There were so many good heads.
SPEAKER_03 (38:52):
There were.
Exactly what you would expect.
Yeah.
Camo.
I wouldn't expect camo.
I'm really blended.
Well, hunters.
SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
It's a big hunt.
A lot of hunters.
SPEAKER_04 (39:01):
Okay.
Outdoorsmen.
SPEAKER_01 (39:03):
Yeah.
I mean, I'm obsessed with camo.
SPEAKER_04 (39:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
unknown (39:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:07):
Well, yes, I guess it was.
Everybody became obsessed withcamo in the last few years and I
stopped.
But I used to wear a lot ofcamo.
SPEAKER_04 (39:13):
I like camo.
You were on the cutting edge.
You're like, I know.
SPEAKER_01 (39:16):
Then everybody took it and it's not as cool.
SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
I think you'd still wear it.
Yeah.
Be who you want to be.
SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
Yeah.
I know.
SPEAKER_03 (39:24):
That's pretty neat.
Um, are you guys gonna go backfor sure?
Like, is that are you guys likeplanning on it?
I think it'd be fun.
I think it'd be so fun.
I w I wanna go.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it'd be really,really interesting.
But I would want to suggest thatthey have a question answer
answer session.
Yeah.
Maybe we can submit suggestions.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
I think we could write in right now and like be
like, can we help you plan this?
SPEAKER_03 (39:47):
So are we gonna like throw a coup and actually we're
gonna be putting on thecomments?
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Like, I think we'd actually be like, hey, I know
you guys are really busy at yourold folks' home.
Yes.
There were a lot of olderpeople.
SPEAKER_03 (40:03):
How many women in their 30s were there?
SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
That would be you and me.
Really?
SPEAKER_04 (40:08):
Two.
Exactly two.
SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (40:09):
I think I well, I do believe there were a few other
women that were there with theirhusbands.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (40:15):
Yeah.
Well, yeah, that's a good point.
There were no other women thatwere just there together.
SPEAKER_04 (40:21):
Observing.
SPEAKER_01 (40:22):
Observ.
There were no women that werethere outside of being there in
a couple.
SPEAKER_03 (40:27):
Got it.
SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Like they were not of their of their own free
volition.
SPEAKER_03 (40:32):
It'd be funny to me, like, if there's like the
convention and there's like thebigfoot after party, like where
everybody like meets.
I would go to That's a goodidea.
See, we should plan it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
See, this is what I mean is like I think we could do
a good job planning it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
Yeah.
And and it's like to meet, Idon't know, like-minded folks, I
guess.
SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
I think it could have been a funner way to like
get the ideas flowing.
Like we can really find thisguy.
Right.
This foot.
This foot.
SPEAKER_04 (40:58):
This guy thing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:59):
I'm obsessed with Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_04 (41:01):
I would definitely go again.
SPEAKER_01 (41:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:02):
It was fun.
SPEAKER_01 (41:03):
Yeah.
Especially if you go too.
SPEAKER_04 (41:05):
I I know I I would love to go.
Yeah.
But I imagine this group ofwomen in their 30s just showing
up.
unknown (41:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
My friend that's a scientist wants to go so bad.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (41:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:15):
Oh my god, Kelly.
Oh my god, Kelly here.
SPEAKER_03 (41:17):
I feel like I feel like people, I don't know.
I I feel like there's a lot tounpack there.
unknown (41:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:21):
I think that the two testimonies were very
interesting.
Yeah.
But I was not impressed with theactual experts.
Why did you believe thetestimonies?
It was just like the way theysaid them, just like very
genuine.
It was the two.
They were just very like nononsense.
(41:42):
Like the guy who got up therewas very nervous.
Yeah.
And like he just seemed I don'tknow, just like really
uncomfortable.
Like he wasn't sure why he wassharing it.
SPEAKER_03 (41:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:54):
And then the lady just was like to the point and
moved on.
To me, like the people who liewant more and more time or they
want the attention in thespotlight.
Yeah.
Um, but I didn't feel like theexperts brought anything like
concrete.
SPEAKER_01 (42:10):
So yeah, I wish that they had been if they had all
been more like the skinwalkerranch guy, like that's why I
bring him up so much, is that Iliked his concrete evidence.
Here's a photo of this, here's aphoto of that.
Like I just like it was easierto follow him.
And it was just very compelling.
SPEAKER_04 (42:28):
And also he had a lot more first hand stories.
Yeah.
Whereas these other people werejust kind of like they had none
of them had actually experiencedanything firsthand.
SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
Yeah.
The experts.
They wanted to a lot.
You could tell they werechomping at the bit real bad to
like.
SPEAKER_03 (42:45):
But this guy was legit because like stuff
happened to him.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
A lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (42:49):
The other thing was that the people that stuff had
happened to, clearly they didn'twant to have stuff happen to
them.
And then the people who likewanted stuff to happen to them,
like they will never have abigfoot encounter ever in their
entire life because they want itway too bad.
You know?
They're driving it away.
It's just like social media.
You drive that away.
(43:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
Do you have any other questions, Summer?
SPEAKER_03 (43:15):
Uh my last question would be uh if you guys got a
Bigfoot shirt, what would theBigfoot shirt say?
And why?
Why do you assume I don't havethree Bigfoot shirts?
SPEAKER_04 (43:26):
Wait, three Bigfoot shirts.
What did they say?
Social distancing champion.
It's pink with the Bigfoot.
Yes.
And then I have one that's froma podcast called Wild Thing that
I love.
And it's like Bigfoot footprintsand then like high heels.
You wore that one.
And then the other one is asweatshirt and it has a Bigfoot
(43:49):
on it and says Bigfoot doesn'tbelieve in you either.
I love that.
I also have multiple stickersand paraphernalia.
Which people I've I've boughtthe shirts, but people just like
give me Bigfoot stuff now.
Because you're like a Bigfootperson.
Like you're one of those people.
I mean, I do have big feet, yes.
But I have like I like Bigfoot.
(44:11):
I'm like he was a Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
He was very big.
I don't know what I would put onthe I haven't had enough thought
to put in it.
But I would just take one ofyour shirts.
SPEAKER_03 (44:24):
That that's totally.
You know Kevin Hart and he'slike doing like the like that
look.
Yeah.
Mine would just be that, andthen just it just says like he's
real, and then on the back is apicture of Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Oh, I like that.
See?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (44:36):
We could be vendors.
That would be the shirt.
I think people would buy that.
I think.
SPEAKER_01 (44:39):
I feel like we would crush this.
We could be the vendors, theorganizers.
SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
Taking over the conference.
The after party organizer.
I'll do the after party.
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
I just feel like we can make this really fun for
these people.
SPEAKER_03 (44:51):
I think so too.
SPEAKER_01 (44:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (44:54):
What are you guys obsessing over lately?
unknown (44:57):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
You want to go first?
SPEAKER_03 (44:58):
Yeah.
So I am obsessing over uhdesigning my house in a low
budget way, but making it cute.
So I guess low budgetrenovation.
SPEAKER_04 (45:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (45:09):
What's your what's the favorite thing that you have
gotten for it?
So I redid my dining room andgot uh basically painted uh the
lower half of the walls greenand then put photographs of
basically large floralphotographs in the back of the
dining room, and I got them alloff Etsy.
Their prints are like$2 a piece.
Nice.
Frame them and then put that upin my uh my dining room.
(45:31):
Cute.
Love it.
unknown (45:33):
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
Oh, that's nice.
Um, I'm obsessed with my newmigraine medicine.
It's called Topamax, but I callit Gleaminex.
SPEAKER_03 (45:43):
And this is not an ad for Topamax, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (45:46):
It's not, and actually don't take it because
like I understand why mostpeople do not like it.
Um, I love it.
It feels like there's a hand onmy face all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (45:53):
It's not Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (45:54):
It's not Bigfoot, but it's kind of like the hands
like this.
I don't know.
It's I like it.
It's just a really cool and um Ijust feel happy all the time.
It feels like I'm gonna have ahuge problem later on.
But yeah, it's great.
I haven't had a migraine in fourdays.
That doesn't sound like a longtime for most people.
I usually have four migraines aweek.
SPEAKER_04 (46:16):
Oh wow.
I thought it gotten better even.
It has, I mean we don't need toexplore your medical history.
I know, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
It's like I usually have between three and four
migraines a week.
SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
So that's it.
It's helping.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah.
unknown (46:32):
That's it.
SPEAKER_01 (46:32):
That's it.
That's my thing.
SPEAKER_04 (46:34):
So because there's three of us today, we decided to
come up with recommendationstogether.
Summer, what is our firstrecommendation?
Our first recommendation is uhto use infrared sauna.
Yes.
Because we are all all big fansof infrared saunas.
Yes, yes.
Highly recommend.
SPEAKER_03 (46:51):
Wait, where do you go?
SPEAKER_04 (46:53):
Uh well, I've gone to Pure Sweat.
SPEAKER_03 (46:55):
Yeah, that one is really, really good.
That's really okay.
SPEAKER_04 (46:58):
Yeah, we love Pure Sweat.
They've also um okay, so Summeralso produced we started
producing Together Cheaper thanTherapy.
Yes.
She's always been behind thescenes or dressed up as a tree.
I think dressed up as a tree.
I didn't know.
And now Marianna has joined ushelping.
So Pierce Wet and Flo has umsponsored us multiple times now.
(47:21):
Them and then The Butcher, theNew York butcher.
Yes, yes.
Big fan.
Also a therapy office hassponsored us.
We love our sponsors.
Yes.
Marianna, what is our otherrecommendation?
SPEAKER_01 (47:34):
Uh a local favorite comedian who's also a Bigfoot
enthusiast, Mr.
John Dollar, who just wonLouisville's favorite comedian.
Amazing.
SPEAKER_03 (47:44):
He was on our first cheaper than therapy back like
two years ago.
And he brought down the house.
He was so good.
SPEAKER_01 (47:52):
He was so good.
He's so funny.
He's so funny.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04 (47:57):
He like got caught up in the black curtain
accidentally.
Of course he doesn't rememberthat.
Yeah.
I don't remember what he's justflipping around and then I don't
know.
He doesn't know that we're doinga shadow.
No, he doesn't.
SPEAKER_01 (48:09):
I can't wait for him to see this.
He's one of my favorite people.
He's amazing.
Yeah.
No, we need to clip this forhim.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (48:15):
He's super funny, super nice, very professional to
have on a show.
Oh, yeah.
Love having him on the show.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (48:21):
So no notes.
SPEAKER_04 (48:23):
No notes.
SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
I don't have that to say about many men.
SPEAKER_04 (48:26):
And then he is a he has a Bigfoot joke.
SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Yeah.
So we won't give it away.
SPEAKER_04 (48:31):
We won't.
No, we won't give it away.
But people should go watch him.
SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
He's a Bigfoot enthusiast as well.
If I didn't say that already.
SPEAKER_04 (48:38):
Yeah, that's the right word.
Enthusiast.
Enthusiast.
What are you guys lookingforward to this week?
SPEAKER_03 (48:44):
To be honest, this is what I was looking forward
to.
Yay.
For me, I mean I've I've beenbehind the scenes for you know
two and two years.
And I I don't know.
Thank you for uh letting me comeon the podcast and be a be a
guest where usually I'm sittingin the corner.
We don't force her into thecorner.
She just I'm in the corner bychoice, but this is what I was
(49:07):
looking forward to.
SPEAKER_01 (49:09):
Aww.
I'm uh this is also what I waslooking forward to all week
because I've been sitting at myhouse.
Like, does the migraine medicinework?
Does the migraine medicine work?
That's been my week.
But I'm looking forward to fall,hopefully, although today it's
not very fall.
And apple cider donuts.
I don't know if you guys partakein those.
SPEAKER_03 (49:29):
I don't know if I've ever tried them.
SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
We're gonna we should go to this orchard that I
found in Mount Juliet calledBreden's Orchard.
They have apple cider donuts.
And they are very magical.
SPEAKER_04 (49:40):
Sounds magical.
I've made um, I make my ownpumpkin donuts.
SPEAKER_01 (49:45):
Or we could make apple cider donuts so that then
they're gluten-free.
SPEAKER_04 (49:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:49):
Because obviously.
SPEAKER_04 (49:50):
It is really hard to get a really good gluten-free
donut.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:54):
You know, I bet that they have conquered it.
I bet they have.
In Little Rock, they have.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (49:59):
Because I've ate ate them multiple times.
Yeah.
They're really good.
SPEAKER_01 (50:03):
Little Rock, they get it.
unknown (50:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (50:05):
Fascinating.
Um, I'm looking forward to I'mmeeting with a business
development coach tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (50:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (50:13):
And I'm like, I hit it off with her.
She's super nice.
She's actually gonna be on thepodcast later.
Um, but she uh is really intopositive psychology, which is
something that I got into like10 years ago, and it's it's very
fascinating.
And she's actually going throughthe master's program at Penn
State that I looked into when Iwas obsessing over it.
SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
What is positive psychology?
SPEAKER_04 (50:37):
Yeah, so they're they've studied how like
positive thinking can likeimprove like how how you I mean
how you think, how you act, howyou work, and everything.
So for example, every nightwrite down like three positive
things, and like that actuallyhas they can scientifically show
(50:57):
it has a improved effect on yourlife.
I I so believe that.
SPEAKER_01 (51:02):
Oh yeah, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_04 (51:04):
Yeah, so it there's a lot more to it than that, but
that was the basic premise.
That's amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (51:10):
I love that.
SPEAKER_04 (51:10):
Yeah.
So um, Marianna, where canpeople find you?
SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
On my Instagram.
Uh it's Marianna underscoreBarkstell.
And then my YouTube, which Ican't remember what the handle
is.
SPEAKER_04 (51:24):
We can link.
And I'm sorry, but nobody getsto find Summer.
Yeah.
She's mysterious.
She's chosen to remain behindthe curtain.
SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
I'm just Summer.
It's like it's just Summer.
SPEAKER_01 (51:40):
She's our friend.
She's not your friend.
SPEAKER_04 (51:42):
I guess.
But thank you, Summer, forcoming on.
It's it's been fun having you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
Yeah, that's fun.
Two years in the making.
We got her.
Yeah.
No, yeah, this is like, oh mygosh.
SPEAKER_04 (52:00):
Yeah.
And of course, Marianna, it'sgreat to have you back.
Yes, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (52:03):
This was awesome.
SPEAKER_04 (52:05):
Yeah, thank you guys uh for watching and listening.
Uh, please follow us whereveryou listen to your podcast.
And I look forward to having youcome back next week.
The end.
Thanks for listening to mycrunchy zen era.
Please subscribe and leave areview wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
This podcast is produced by me,Nicole Swisher, and my good
friends Summer Harcup and LizColder.
(52:27):
Editing is by Drew HarrisonMedia, and recording is done by
Logos Creative in Nashville,Tennessee.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll be back next week.
What's something crunchier then that you've done
lately?
SPEAKER_03 (00:03):
Going for our summer.
So I stopped drinking caffeine.
You know, probably a couplemonths ago.
And it sounds crazy, but Ihighly recommend it.
Okay.
Are you awake?
It's kind of crazy because youstop relying on the on the
caffeine for energy.
(00:24):
Yeah.
And then I think your body justproduces more energy.
So I feel more energized nowthan I did when I was drinking
like three to four cups ofcoffee a day.
SPEAKER_04 (00:34):
Yeah, you've been drinking a ton of coffee since
I've known you.
SPEAKER_03 (00:36):
Yeah.
unknown (00:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (00:37):
What about you, Marianna?
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Uh I've been doing this weird thing where I've been
trying to not do anything orlike have anything on in the
background.
Like not meditating, not likeany sort of intentional
anything, just like sittingthere being a person, just like
what they must have done in theolden days.
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
Like just silence.
That's nice though.
It's peaceful.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
I've just been finding peace.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
That is like that is the most like Zen Crunchy era
thing I've ever heard.
Like this whole podcast.
unknown (01:11):
Like, what?
SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
Just na just just because I have to.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
Welcome to my Crunchy Zen era.
This is a weekly podcast filledwith a little fun, a little
humor, and a whole lot ofcuriosity.
I'm your host, Nicole Swisher.
And this week we are joined bytwo folks: Summer Harcup, my
lovely producer, all aroundgreat gal, and welcome back,
(01:45):
Marianna Barksdale, known andloved by the podcast.
And this week is kind ofexciting because we're talking
something pretty special.
Summer, what's our openingquestion?
SPEAKER_03 (01:57):
So our opening question is if there was a
mythical creature that doesn'texist but should exist, what
creature should that be?
And why?
SPEAKER_04 (02:09):
I mean, I was thinking about this and I would
love for there to be dragons aslong as you can ride them, like
in Game of Thrones.
Are they kind of like like petdragons?
Yeah, except they're more likeyou're bonded and they can
understand you, I guess, and youcan be like a dragon rider.
I think that'd be pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
Like like in the fourth wing?
SPEAKER_04 (02:33):
Yeah, which I have not read, but yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
Like in the romance series, The Fourth Wing, where
all of the people are bonded todragon riders.
Were they dragon riders?
SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
There are so many books and shows where that's the
case.
SPEAKER_01 (02:47):
It's so true.
But I just read The Fourth Wing,so it's fresh on my mind.
So obviously that's the one I goto.
But yes, I'll I'll I'm like, Iwant Nicole's answer because
that was perfect.
But also, my new answer is eggtooth ghost.
SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
Eggtooth ghost.
You've had that on your chairsince we got here.
SPEAKER_04 (03:05):
What is that?
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (03:07):
Can you describe it for our audience who's
listening?
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
It looks like an egg, a tooth, and a ghost if you
mush them all together into onething.
SPEAKER_03 (03:14):
Also, it's a stuffed animal she's holding up.
SPEAKER_01 (03:16):
Oh, it's a stuffed animal that I'm holding up.
SPEAKER_03 (03:18):
So where did you get that?
And who gave it to you?
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
This is from our the big me and Nicole went to a Big
Tooth.
We went to a Bigfoot conferencein May?
No, May.
July.
July.
unknown (03:34):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (03:35):
Yeah.
This is in July.
Which by the way, we're here totalk about Bigfoot today.
SPEAKER_03 (03:39):
Yes.
So when you guys say a Bigfootconference, what exactly was it?
Was it just a bunch of peoplewho believe in Bigfoot who all
come to East Tennessee and telleach other why they believe in
Bigfoot?
You want to take that, Marianna,or shall I?
SPEAKER_01 (03:54):
I feel like you should.
SPEAKER_04 (03:55):
Okay.
So it was there were multiplespeakers who were um like
professionals at talking aboutBigfoot.
Some of them were like, let'ssee, they they were all like
over the place of like some werevery like scientific.
Others were a little bit morelike on the woo side of things.
And there were multiple likepanels and stuff.
(04:18):
I don't know how many peoplethere like were Bigfoot like
truly believers or BigfootCurious or Bigfoot I Wish He
Existed.
SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
So those those are three separate categories.
Because I would say I am BigfootCurious.
I want to know more, which iswhy I'm asking you, you know,
you guys these questions.
My I would wonder who had thebest evidence that Bigfoot
existed.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_01 (04:46):
See, I've been thinking a lot about this, and
it's not even it wasn't even theBigfoot speakers because there
were other speakers.
Like to me, the most compellingspeaker was the Skinwalker Ranch
guy.
SPEAKER_04 (04:58):
Yes.
The what?
Also terrifying.
Terrifying Skinwalker Ranch guy.
And we met him after.
But go go explain what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
The Skinwalker Ranch guy.
So Skinwalker Ranch is thisranch in Texas.
And it is just this is like ahotbed of activity where just a
lot of different things haveoccurred over the years.
But a lot of it's happened.
Um I don't know how to explainit.
It's like a lot of differentinexplicable things where they
(05:28):
didn't have cell phones, theydidn't have cameras, they didn't
have a lot of like anything totell the story, and I think
that's why it happened.
But they do have photographicevidence of like I don't I don't
remember like all of his I don'tknow.
He had this great PowerPointpresentation.
SPEAKER_04 (05:46):
He did.
And what was interesting abouthim is he wasn't specifically
talking Bigfoot.
Yeah.
He was talking cryptids?
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
Yeah, cryptids.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
Um, but so he talked about like he lost time one
time.
Like he was just like driving,and then like the next thing he
knew it was like an hour aheadof time.
And like he uh went had thislike unexplainable like scratch
show up, and he was like talkingabout um hitchhikers of like
(06:16):
spirits where you're likesomewhere and then they like
hitchhike with you, and it waskind of scary, not gonna lie.
And yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
He was a Navajo Ranger, yes, a Navajo Ranger,
yeah.
Okay, so that was like thething.
He's like a police officer forlike the Navajo Nation.
SPEAKER_04 (06:34):
I think that's how it kind of is, but yeah, I just
and the skinwalkers are supposedto be like um, I'm gonna get it
wrong.
Not they're not like demons,they're like spirits or
something along those lines thatcan take different forms.
Yeah.
And is one of those formsBigfoot.
I don't know if he actuallystated that.
SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Yeah.
They're like these, they'rethey're almost like uh like a in
my head, they were almost like alike a fried dog.
SPEAKER_04 (07:02):
Yeah, because they he was talking about like
somebody had this like mangy dogshow up, yeah, which is and then
they you know hit it andbasically killed it, which was
terrible.
But then the guy got like supersick and the dog like
disappeared, and I think the guyrecovered after he went to like
the spirit healer or something,and she was like, You had an
(07:23):
interaction with a skinwalker.
SPEAKER_03 (07:25):
So a skinwalker is not inherently evil, yeah,
right?
I I'm unclear on that note.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
I think they might be.
SPEAKER_04 (07:34):
So basically like stay away from the skinwalkers.
Respect.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, respect sounds good.
unknown (07:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (07:41):
And so some of this, I feel like okay, so this um
conference, I originally heardabout it because I listened to
Nateland and they had a Bigfootexpert on very early on.
And he mentioned going to aBigfoot conference.
There's a few around the US.
This one was in Gatlinburg atthe Smoky Mountains, because
that is a hotbed of Bigfootactivity, I think, is my
(08:01):
understanding.
I'm from Minnesota and we havelots of Bigfoot stuff.
Like up in Remer, there's anentire um festival for Bigfoot
every year.
And I have maybe stayed at acabin hoping to see a Bigfoot
before.
So we went and it was like oneday of just like panel different
(08:22):
things.
And so, like the first fewpanels were like evidence, and
then like as you go on, we hadlike the Navajo Ranger talk, and
then they talked about Mothman.
And so it was likeBigfoot-centric, I would say the
three-fourths of it, and then itwas like cryptids in general.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yeah.
unknown (08:42):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (08:43):
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
You know who was the most compelling argument for
Bigfoot?
I actually just realized this,and it I was thinking about it
because of the the migrainemedicine.
I just started taking thismigraine medicine that makes me
feel like I have a hand on myface.
Hand on the face guy.
I knew it was hand on the faceguy.
SPEAKER_04 (09:00):
Because they had people sharing their Bigfoot
experiences.
Oh.
Like testimonies.
I saw Bigfoot, I promise.
Yeah.
This was great.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
This was great.
SPEAKER_04 (09:09):
Are you wondering what cryptas are?
I am.
Okay.
Uh they're like, what are they?
Like mythical, like creaturesthat people maybe actually
believe.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
It's like the classification that Bigfoot's
in.
SPEAKER_04 (09:22):
Bigfoot, um, the the cat, the wampus cat.
Yeah.
What?
The wampus cat.
It's I think it's a local, it'slike a a cat that like Wampuses.
Wampuses.
SPEAKER_01 (09:33):
Exactly.
It's a cat that wampuses.
SPEAKER_04 (09:35):
So episode five with Sarah Holofeld that I had on the
podcast, she like talks aboutcryptids a little bit more.
And that was what like with thebooks she wrote, she used that
as like a world that she builtit out of.
If anyone wants to go back andwatch that or listen.
SPEAKER_03 (09:53):
So did everybody there believe in Bigfoot?
Were there any Bigfoot deniers?
Or is that not a thing at aBigfoot convention?
I mean, no one spoke up.
SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
Yeah, no, I don't think they would have because
the people who believed inBigfoot, I think, would have
fought you.
They would seriously.
Yeah.
No, it was and and they were,you know, like, yeah, they were
serious.
SPEAKER_04 (10:10):
They were serious.
And am I remembering correctlythat there were like no filming?
Oh, yeah.
Oh.
No, there was no filming.
No filming.
SPEAKER_01 (10:18):
You could take pictures, but you could not
film.
SPEAKER_04 (10:21):
Yeah.
You got one with Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
Yeah.
I did get a picture withBigfoot.
SPEAKER_04 (10:25):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:26):
He put his hand on my head.
Hand on face guy though.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Yeah, hand on face guy.
Yeah.
He said that he was sleepingout, I didn't catch where,
somewhere in the woods at acabin that his um grandma owned.
And he left the window openbecause they didn't have AC and
it was really hot.
And he was sleeping, and he wokeup to a hand on his face, and it
was like hairy and smelly.
(10:51):
And he like jumped up on his bedand like screamed, and he saw
Bigfoot like walking away fromhis window.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's terrifying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then he was like, Don't gointo the woods.
Don't go in the woods alone.
I he's like, I used to be anoutdoorsman.
I won't go in the woods anymore.
Which feels compelling.
SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
Yeah.
No, that was compelling to mebecause I'm very much like
outdoorsy and I'm like, well,not that outdoorsy, but like if
anyone was like, Oh, I don't gooutside anymore, I'm like, oh,
that's a big deal.
SPEAKER_03 (11:23):
Yeah.
I think it'd be really hard ifyou have a bunch of people, you
know, in a at a at a conferenceand they all swear that they've
seen Bigfoot or they've seensomething that, you know,
suggests that Bigfoot is real, Ithink it'd be really hard to
say, no, no, what you're whatyou saw and what everybody else
in this room saw is not true.
SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:43):
I think there's strength in numbers, is what I'm
saying.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (11:46):
Maybe everyone walks away and they're like, well,
maybe not after.
But like when you're there,you're like, absolutely.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03 (11:54):
So, you know, when I was preparing for this, I
started going down this rabbithole of what Bigfoot is.
And there's some people whobelieve that there's some sort
of alien connection, thatBigfoot is an physical
embodiment of the paranormal.
I mean, is that something thatcame up at the conference?
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Oh, it did.
SPEAKER_03 (12:15):
Really?
Take it away, Mariana.
SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Wonder you should mention that.
There's a whole theory.
It's called the portal theory.
Is this the portal theory?
SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
The portal theory.
I think it's related.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Okay.
I feel like this is so there'sthis theory, the portal theory,
that there's other dimensionsthat are on Earth where the
Bigfoot basically comes in andout of this other dimension of
time.
And and I think that there'sother creatures in that
dimension that might be whatother people consider to be
aliens or what we would considerto be aliens.
(12:49):
Or alien to us.
You know what I mean?
Like they're just not what weare.
Um but I don't know if thatnecessarily feeds into that it
he it is an alien, you know.
SPEAKER_04 (13:00):
But there's like belie some people like, have you
ever seen the pictures ofBigfoot being taken up by the
spaceship?
I think I've seen like Or the uhbumper sticker.
Yes.
Yeah, yes, like there'sdefinitely people who believe
it's a legitimate like alien.
SPEAKER_01 (13:15):
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
I knew that too.
SPEAKER_04 (13:16):
But there's definitely like the portal
theory because they're like,well, how can't you find him?
Right.
How does he quickly go?
One question that came up waslike, why aren't there more
pictures of him?
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (13:27):
And the expert panel got into this, and it was like
it started off like generallykind of normal of like, well, he
like moves quickly, he'scamouflaged, and then it like
got progressively more woo-woo.
And then they're like, Well, allthe electronics break around
him, and then I I feel like itgot into like the portal theory.
(13:48):
Yeah, and it was like an extremeon that panel, it was fabulous.
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
Yeah, no, that was a great panel.
I feel like it wasn't even thatwoo-woo with the the electronics
breaking around him necessarily.
Like, I am like, yeah, obviouslyelectronics break around him.
Uh duh.
SPEAKER_04 (14:06):
So we went up to a podcaster after this, and I was
like, I said, is it possiblethat they're not getting
pictures of Bigfoot because he'sreally sensitive to um
electromagnetic uh EM oh mygosh, I can't think of the word.
EMFs.
EMFs, thank you.
Yeah, EMFs.
And then he just like, I don'tquite didn't quite understand
(14:28):
his response, but I don't thinkhe understood what I was saying
either.
And so then he went into theelectronics all breaking and he
claimed he had like seen him,maybe, and his but his camera
broke, and so he just didn't getit like the picture.
SPEAKER_01 (14:42):
So I feel like that there are some old school
cameras out there that aremechanical to the extent that
they're not digital, that youcould sit there with them in the
woods with like someone orsomething that's still enough
and take just time-lapsepictures enough to that you
would get one eventually.
SPEAKER_04 (15:01):
Yeah, but I don't know.
Are you saying you don't believeMarianna?
SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
No, I do believe.
I really believe that he thatthey break the digital cameras.
I do, like that's the thing.
I'm I'm on their side.
SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
I just something I find odd is nobody's ever found
a body, right?
Yeah, nobody's ever found andright.
I mean, unless there's somethingat the conference.
I mean, the no, there is no bodythat's ever been found.
SPEAKER_04 (15:25):
Yeah, so the argument they give is that like
you hardly ever find like deadbears either because the animals
in the forest all like eat themup and stuff.
Okay.
I'm not saying that'sinaccurate, but maybe it's the
portal, maybe it disappears.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Yeah, I will say my cat kills a lot of animals and
they generally explode within aday because of the maggots.
So yeah, it's disgusting.
And I know bigger animals aredifferent, but and that this is
not anywhere near the same sizeas these little birds, but
nature does work its way, youknow, pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_03 (16:04):
So w when you were there, I mean was who's who's
the best dressed?
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
Who?
SPEAKER_03 (16:13):
Yeah, was there I pictured that lady.
SPEAKER_04 (16:15):
That lady.
The um moth lady?
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
Yeah, moth lady.
Oh my god, moth lady.
Wait, so her hair, the mothlady, she had this amazing hair.
We should, I should have lookedup her name.
SPEAKER_04 (16:27):
Her hair went down to like her knees.
SPEAKER_01 (16:29):
Yeah, it was incredible.
It was like it was like iceblonde.
Why didn't I look up her name?
SPEAKER_04 (16:34):
Natural?
SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Uh no.
I was like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (16:38):
I think that's a no, but who cares?
SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Gorgeous.
Yeah.
I think Moth Lady was the bestdress.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_04 (16:45):
We're calling her Moth Lady because she did the
whole presentation on Mothman.
SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
Yeah.
Which I now don't believe in.
SPEAKER_04 (16:51):
So what is Mothman?
Marianna, I think you know moreabout this.
SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Okay, yeah, I do.
Because I was kind of obsessedwith the movie The Mothman
Prophecies.
Do you remember that?
SPEAKER_03 (17:02):
I never saw it, but I was it was it who's the actor?
SPEAKER_01 (17:06):
Dustin Hoffman.
I think it's Dustin Hoffman.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (17:08):
I don't know.
I know it came out in 2001.
Yeah, it's like a like a whileago.
SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
Yeah, so it's about basically the this bridge
collapsing, and everybody's waslike, oh, we saw Mothman right
before it collapsed.
And I was obsessed and Ibelieved in Mothman like from
2001 until this conference.
Really?
And then she went over likeevery scrap of evidence that's
ever happened of Mothman, and Iwas like, oh, I don't believe in
it anymore.
SPEAKER_03 (17:34):
What did she provide to you that made you say, okay,
Mothman doesn't exist?
SPEAKER_04 (17:37):
I think it was just she like went over everything,
every detail of like how thereports she had gone back in
into like the archives of likenews clippings, and she
presented other possible birdsbirds that it could have been,
and that it had never like shownup again, basically.
(18:01):
And there was actually like thebridge collapsing, there was a
physical thing that caused it.
Yeah.
It wasn't just like boom, itwent.
SPEAKER_03 (18:09):
Oh, so the the whole premise of Mothman is that when
Mothman shows up, somethingbad's gonna happen.
Is that kind of the implication?
Yeah, yeah.
And then is it a giant moth?
SPEAKER_04 (18:18):
I mean, I don't So it's like a big man with big
wings.
SPEAKER_02 (18:21):
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (18:23):
I hadn't heard of him till I like saw the
pamphlet.
I'm not up on my cryptids toomuch, but gosh.
I mean it's definitely creepy.
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
Yeah, very creepy.
Great myth.
But also, she was very much justlike, you guys are like the fans
and the reason we're here, andlike she kind of did like the
playing to the crowd a littlebit, and I was like, Oh yeah,
we're the reason you're eating.
SPEAKER_04 (18:43):
Yeah, she was like hyping the crowd at the end.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Yeah.
But I like I love really enjoyedwhat she was saying, and like,
you know, I liked le listeningto it.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:53):
Did every anybody have a uh I guess a testimony
where you're like they'rethey're telling the truth.
Like they I believe them.
I they they said that they sawBigfoot and I believe what they
said.
SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
I mean, I believed two of the three testimonies.
SPEAKER_04 (19:07):
I wonder if it's the same one.
The other one I believed, youwant to say it?
I bet you know.
SPEAKER_01 (19:12):
The woman?
SPEAKER_04 (19:12):
Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
In the wheelchair.
The woman in the wheelchair,yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (19:16):
Yeah, what was her testimony?
SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
Oh, we could do it ver verbatim.
You want to do it together?
SPEAKER_03 (19:20):
We could try.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Okay.
She was like, also Bigfoot.
He was very big.
SPEAKER_04 (19:29):
Okay, there was a little more to it.
That was like her mic drop.
And then they did like they likeseen him across a um parking lot
or something.
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (19:40):
And she was like, and then we didn't we didn't
know what he was.
We went home and we didn't havethe internet, and then I told
somebody about what it was, andthey were like, that's a
bigfoot.
And she was like, and he wasvery big.
SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Yeah.
She was great.
Yeah, she was great.
Kathy.
SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
Just very we named her Kathy.
Not her name.
Not her real name.
Not her name.
SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Is it like one of those things where you know
somebody goes and says, like, Isaw Bigfoot, and then like the
crowd gets really amped and theycheer, like, yeah, like or is it
or is it very calm and subtle?
SPEAKER_04 (20:13):
Okay.
And okay, the best part is thatthey only got like four, I
think, four people, maybe three,to do these, and it's like they
ran out of people to share.
So the guy started just likereading a book.
SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:27):
It was fabulous.
Oh, I was so boring.
SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
I looked it up on the website though, so they had
slots for 10 people because youcould have a slot for a
10-minute spot.
Wow.
For a 10-minute story, becausethere was one guy that had like
every story shoved into like hislittle spot.
He just kept going and going andgoing.
We called him the Rambler.
SPEAKER_04 (20:50):
Okay.
And did you believe him?
No.
He he had too many, like youknow, when someone's lying, they
provide too many details.
Yes.
That's what he was doing.
SPEAKER_03 (21:01):
Interesting.
SPEAKER_04 (21:01):
And he and it was like, and my dad said this, and
then my sister, you know, wedidn't want to tell her anything
because she goes to that cabinand we didn't want her to be
scared that there might be agiant man out there, which I
don't tell your sister.
Why would you let your sister goto a cabin in the middle of
nowhere knowing there's aBigfoot, or if not a Bigfoot, a
giant man walking around?
(21:22):
I had a problem with that.
But he just like, I don't know,just so many details, so many
ramblings, and he just keptgoing.
I timed him because I was like,is he gonna stop?
He went like eight minutesstraight, and then Marianna told
me later he had 10 minutes, so Iwas like, well, I guess he did a
good job by stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (21:40):
Yeah, he didn't even run the light.
He didn't run the light.
Wow, he had two more minutes.
I looked that up on the websitebecause I was like, maybe we'll
like submit a story.
But I didn't want to be likethat, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (21:54):
If you guys saw Bigfoot, and I mean like really
saw Bigfoot, what would you do?
Because I would whip out myiPhone and try to get a picture.
SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
Oh, and then he and then you run away, you wouldn't
be able to get one.
You break your phone.
SPEAKER_04 (22:08):
I think I would just freeze.
Because I feel like it would belike the same if I encountered
like a bear or something.
I just kind of like freeze,which is not what you're
supposed to do for the record,but yeah, and we're not supposed
to do that for a bear.
No, which we almost saw a bear.
SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
We did almost see a bear.
SPEAKER_04 (22:25):
Really?
So we were hiking, so we went tothe mountains, obviously.
I know we just got sidetracked,but we were hiking very early
because the smokies get insanelybusy.
And so there weren't like a tonof people ahead of us.
And we like came up to thesepeople and they're like, There's
a bear up there, and they werejust like waiting for it to go
away, and they like didn't knowwhat to do because they don't
(22:48):
hike.
I mean, I know what to do, Istill don't think I would have
done it.
But then we like went to thewaterfall and then these people
were coming back and they werelike, Are there a lot of people
there?
Because we had this bear likefollowing us or something, and
yeah, so it was intense.
How do you know that that wasn'tBigfoot?
SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
Because I feel like at a Bigfoot convention, if
Bigfoot shows up, I mean that isthe ultimate convention.
That's the ultimate.
Right.
I don't know, we just have totake these people's word for it
because we didn't see it.
I don't think we even heard it.
Yeah, sad.
So do people go to thisconvention?
It's an annual convention?
Yes.
Every single year.
Yeah.
And people like submit to bespeakers.
(23:27):
Is there is there a bigfoot?
Who decides like who gets tospeak?
Like who gets to be the experton this?
SPEAKER_04 (23:34):
I don't know.
I mean, there must have been abigfoot committee or something.
SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
There must have been something.
Like some whoever was runningthe conference, they take it
very seriously.
SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
They organize a cruise as well.
SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
There's a Bigfoot cruise.
SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
I think we should go on the Bigfoot cruise.
SPEAKER_03 (23:49):
Wait, so Bigfoot cruise go.
SPEAKER_01 (23:52):
Alaska.
SPEAKER_03 (23:53):
Really, obviously.
I mean, and then like otherexcursions that are all related
to Bigfoot?
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
No.
No.
I think it's just a I think it'sjust like a hangout talk about
Bigfoot cruise.
SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
Community.
Yeah.
I get this that the the Bigfootthing, it's it seems like a
group, like almost like anidentity.
Like I feel like these peopleare probably really tied into
this belief, right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_03 (24:18):
Like consumes them.
SPEAKER_01 (24:19):
Yeah, there's a camaraderie for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
Were there so they had Bigfoot, they had Mothman.
Were there any other things thatwere discussed at the
conference?
Any other cryptids, I think isthe word you used.
That is the word.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Were there I don't think they're they didn't talk
about a lot of the lessercryptids, although I think that
would have been superinteresting, especially because
Eggtooth Ghost, I mean, what?
Like, how cool is this littleguy?
I know he existed.
He's so cute.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
He might be a made-up one though.
He could be all the others aretrue, obviously.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
I mean, obviously.
Obviously.
SPEAKER_04 (24:54):
I think the like the the Navajo Ranger, we talked to
him.
Yeah, that was clear.
Yeah.
Yeah, because we were a littletired.
So we'd found like a little spotand then he was like walking by.
And so we actually got to askhim a couple more questions.
And I don't he like I had askedhim about the scratch because he
just was like, I got a scratch.
And then he just like moved on.
(25:15):
I was like, what are we talkingabout?
He said that like he it justlike showed up when they were I
don't even remember what was.
SPEAKER_01 (25:22):
Like they were Well, he said the scratch started like
here and then went all the wayaround his arm and ended up over
here.
SPEAKER_04 (25:30):
Mm-hmm.
And he didn't remember ithappening.
It just, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
But he said he would be driving down the road and
he'd be like, specifically inone area.
So he, you know, he you're inthe middle of like Texas or or
like the West, and you're likesomewhere, and he'd be going to
get an oil change, and he'd knowhow many miles were on his car,
and then all of a sudden he'd be30 miles down the road or like
30 minutes down the road.
I can't remember what the amountwas.
(25:55):
But you know how you're justlike, you don't tune out that
much.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
So you know they kind of went through this portal
of time.
SPEAKER_01 (26:03):
That's what it sounded like.
SPEAKER_04 (26:04):
It was that or somebody moved him.
Yeah, moved him, or like Iwasn't sure which he was getting
at.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Or like from what I think of with like alien
abductions, is like they takeyou and then you lose the time,
and then you can you can go backand regress to it, I think, with
like hypnosis.
SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
I think that guy should have regression.
SPEAKER_03 (26:25):
I should have wished I'd asked him about that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
We'll go back.
SPEAKER_03 (26:28):
You should you guys, yeah.
Maybe I'll join.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:31):
No, that sounds like a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (26:32):
I have two other friends who want to go so bad.
SPEAKER_04 (26:34):
Bryn wants to go now.
SPEAKER_01 (26:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:35):
Uh uh uh Yeah, and I feel like there was somebody
else.
I feel like you wanted to go.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
I have two other friends.
I have a scientist friend thatwants to go really bad.
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
I think I don't know, I feel like I'm a very
objective person.
So I would want to know hardfacts, right?
Like I would want to, it's likeI would want them to prove to me
that Bigfoot existed.
SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
I feel like we should sit up front next time
though.
Okay.
Yeah, we're closer.
Closer.
SPEAKER_04 (26:57):
Yeah.
I mean, it was fascinating.
I still like that Navajo guykind of like he was very
legitimate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it kind of creeped me out alittle bit.
Super nice.
Oh yeah.
But yeah, I got the creeps alittle bit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:13):
No, I know his life was scary, scary to me.
Like his existence scared me.
Not like him.
He was great.
He was a nice person.
But like what he went through,like actually scared me.
And I was so happy I didn't livein the West.
SPEAKER_03 (27:27):
So are Bigfoot intrinsically trying to harm
humans?
Or are is Bigfoot a friendlycreature?
I don't think he's either.
SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
Like I think that Bigfoot is is not trying to harm
people.
He just like wants to be leftalone, very like solitary.
And so we're like more and moreencroaching on his territory.
And so when you he's veryterritorial, that's one way
thing we learned.
And so when like campers oranyone like come into their
territory, they like start tolike throw things and try to
(27:59):
like scare you away.
SPEAKER_01 (28:00):
Yeah.
I think.
SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
So what is that?
SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
That's the noise they make.
unknown (28:05):
Whoop.
SPEAKER_03 (28:06):
Can't do it.
The Bigfoot call.
unknown (28:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:09):
That's the Bigfoot call.
So if you haven't seen WillowCreek, that's Bobcat Goldplate's
um found footage horror movieabout Bigfoots.
SPEAKER_04 (28:19):
I say Bigfoot, Big Feet, Bigfoot, Big Feet.
SPEAKER_03 (28:23):
Because there's multiple, right?
Bigfoot.
They're like they're multipleBigfoots.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
It's a good grammar question.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (28:30):
Are they all big foot?
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
Because you'd think I don't know.
No.
SPEAKER_04 (28:33):
No, because in that old video, they said it was a
woman because of her breasts.
Obviously.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
So the lady Bigfoot.
They talk about anatomy.
Remember?
SPEAKER_04 (28:48):
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, and then the guy with thehand on face guy.
SPEAKER_01 (28:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (28:52):
He said he thought it was like a younger Bigfoot
because it was just like curiousbecause he was snoring and it
wanted to know what that noisewas.
So like a child Bigfoot or likea teenager.
Like a teenager.
SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:05):
I wonder in our lifetime if people will be able
to irrefutably determine thatlike Bigfoot is real.
SPEAKER_01 (29:13):
That'd be amazing.
Yeah.
I feel like we're going to havetoo much technology around soon.
Too much 5G.
It's going to drive them allaway in the next dimension.
I don't know.
That's just my own theory.
Yeah.
I think singularity is going todrive them away.
SPEAKER_04 (29:28):
What's singularity?
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
Uh, when computers can think.
SPEAKER_04 (29:32):
Oh, like AI.
That'll drive me away too.
SPEAKER_01 (29:34):
Yes.
I know, right?
SPEAKER_04 (29:36):
We'll go live with Bigfoot.
We want to come with you.
SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
The Bigfoot's.
We don't, they won't care aboutgrammar.
SPEAKER_03 (29:41):
I get the impression that Bigfoot doesn't want to be
seen.
Yes.
Or it doesn't want to berecorded.
I wonder why that is.
Like, why is Bigfoot so likesuch an introvert?
SPEAKER_04 (29:52):
Such an introvert.
I never thought about Bigfootthat way, but I feel like that's
perfect.
That's a good reason.
Is an introvert?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I had a shirt during COVID.
That said it had Bigfoot on itand it said social distancing
champion.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:05):
And I wish I'd worn that today.
SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
Yeah.
Definitely.
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:10):
But I mean, I feel like it there's a lot of animals
that are like that that don'twant to be near people.
Mariana.
And it took forever for peopleto find a gorilla.
People didn't believe thegorilla existed until somebody
finally like shot it and broughtit back to England.
SPEAKER_02 (30:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (30:33):
But I I think it was the 19th century.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
I don't know.
I just feel like anything that'sthat big and that like not
dependent on any sort of societyin general, like, why wouldn't
you stay hidden, you know?
SPEAKER_03 (30:49):
And so it's not a human thing.
It this is this is like pureanimal.
I feel like there's somethingthere.
Okay, we have- It's a monkey.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
Can you do you remember?
It's a monkey.
SPEAKER_04 (30:59):
Well, that's what Marianna believes.
That's what I think.
Why is it a monkey?
SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
Because it looks like a monkey.
SPEAKER_04 (31:04):
It looks like a monkey.
Yes.
But but some of the people onthe panel said that it's like I
do believe someone said it wasan alien.
Yes.
Someone said it was part monkeyor primate.
Primate.
The North American primate.
Another one said it was halfhuman, half Nephilim.
What's that?
(31:25):
Oh yeah.
So it's the Bible from theBible.
It's half human, half angel.
Oh.
And then another one said it'shalf, or it's a descendant of
Cain.
The first murderer.
SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
Yes.
So that that's controversialtopic.
It's controversial.
I think people have so muchfascination with Bigfoot because
it does have a human aspect toit.
And it walks like a human.
That that's what gets me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
It walks like a like a divorced dad, you know?
It's got quite a gate on it, youknow?
SPEAKER_03 (32:03):
It's just well, there you have it, folks.
Bigfoot.
Divorced dad.
I don't know.
Yeah.
So what do you eat at a Bigfootconference?
SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
Oh, nachos.
SPEAKER_03 (32:19):
Nachos.
Nachos.
I feel like they I wantedsomething more creative.
They were selling concessions.
SPEAKER_04 (32:25):
Just like your normal concessions.
SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
But I got nachos.
Yes.
Because it was too trafficy tolike stop, and I didn't want to
get anything else.
So I got nachos and I was like,Can we have extra cheese?
Yeah.
I got he got me like fourcheeses, and me and Nicole like
balanced them all on the way tothe car.
I love that.
It's like in 120-degree heat.
SPEAKER_03 (32:47):
Right.
Because it's in the middle ofthe summertime.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
Oh, it was amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
It was glorious.
SPEAKER_04 (32:50):
And okay, it's so weird where it's taking place
because it's in the umconvention center in Gatlinburg.
Okay.
And so we like show up andthere's just tourists everywhere
because it's Gatlinburg.
And so when we did go out toeat, we went to like five guys,
and we're just squishing pastall these like families just
(33:13):
touring Gatlinburg.
And then there's all thesepeople with Bigfoot
paraphernalia walking around.
And I just imagine, like, whatwere those families like?
Where are we?
Yeah.
How many people were at theconvention?
Like 200, 300?
It's a lot of people.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
Definitely enough to fit in a comedy club.
SPEAKER_04 (33:33):
It was like, yeah.
And it it was only half full,like, of how many chairs they
actually had out.
SPEAKER_01 (33:40):
Yeah, there was a lot of chairs empty.
SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
We really anticipated more.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:45):
High hopes.
SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
I wonder if that's like how full the convention
they always put out that manyfor a convention thing.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (33:52):
But that's why we had to sit further back.
It was because there was likeVIP this and then this type of
VIP and then this one.
And then we did just did generaladmission.
So we were like way back.
Were there like honored guests?
I mean, if you bought theticket.
Okay.
So there, I mean, there werepeople who bought front row
tickets.
Yeah.
(34:12):
And they were like, they paidwhat, like 300 bucks?
SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
I will say most people bought the VIP ticket.
Yes, they did.
We were like the we were amongstlike maybe 30 people hanging out
in the back.
Like we were the bad kids in theback.
Which is like a first for me.
I was usually the one in thefront of the class.
SPEAKER_04 (34:31):
Yeah, that's so funny.
And then there's vendors.
Uh huh.
So you can't forget the vent.
That's where egg tooth ghostscame from.
That's where Mary Eggdockerswere egg tooth ghosts.
Adorable.
Thank you.
Um, so lots of Bigfoot stuff,shirts, I don't even know.
All the things.
Yeah.
Stuffed animals, um, podcasters,yeah.
(34:52):
Uh-huh.
Stickers.
Signs.
Yeah.
So I think that next year wecould go in as a vendor and we
could sell some stuff.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:02):
All kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (35:02):
Friendship bracelets.
All sorts of stuff.
Yeah.
Friendship, friendship.
Definitely.
SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Oh, that'd be fun.
Oh, I would do that.
We should start making stuffnow.
SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
We definitely should.
SPEAKER_03 (35:12):
In my mind, Bigfoot is an American thing.
Right?
Like Minnesota, people be gonnaUtah, New Mexico.
I'd be so interested to know ifpeople from China or Europe are
also on board with this.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
Isn't it the Yeti?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
In the is it in Nepal?
Where the there's like amountainous area there.
And so they over there it's theYeti because it's white.
And so it blends in with thesnow.
SPEAKER_03 (35:42):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (35:42):
So different cultures have it.
Like Native Americans havestories about Bigfoot.
Like it goes way back.
SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
Yeah.
Well that they have storiesabout working with Bigfoot.
Don't they?
Isn't that what they said?
SPEAKER_04 (35:54):
I think so.
SPEAKER_01 (35:54):
I think that they had little they touched on that
like uh anecdotes about umNative Americans working with
Bigfoot.
Bigfoots.
I don't know.
Big feet.
Big feet.
Yeah.
The Big Feet.
You know.
Um you just uh like helping thembuild things and and like live.
SPEAKER_03 (36:14):
Yeah.
To me, I couldn't imagine justdoing my job, you know, digging
whatever I needed, like buildingmy blocks, and then having the
Bigfoot hand me a block.
I mean that that to me that's orwhatever, whatever they did.
Yeah.
I mean that that soundsabsolutely crazy.
I don't think I can handle that.
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
That sounds amazing to me.
That's like my calling.
Yeah.
Be like that'd be like beingfriends with a wrestler.
That'd be like being friendswith Brock Lesnar.
That would be like being friendswith Brock Lesnar.
SPEAKER_03 (36:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
Someone and I were like, Y'all don't know who we
know who that is.
We don't do wrestling.
Yes, Mary.
That would be like Andre theGiant handing stuff.
Okay.
Nope.
SPEAKER_03 (36:56):
Couldn't pick them out in a lineup, but I knew the
name.
SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
I feel like that would be so fun.
SPEAKER_03 (37:00):
Yeah.
And and Bigfoot like doesn'tspeak English, right?
Like it is.
SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
Good question.
SPEAKER_04 (37:06):
I have so many thoughts, but I didn't get the
impression that it did.
SPEAKER_01 (37:10):
I don't think it speaks, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (37:12):
They have like grunts and whistles.
That's how they communicate.
Yeah.
Kind of like monkeys.
Yeah.
Like monkeys.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
But I don't think they have language.
Not that we they didn't get tothat part.
What a good question.
You're coming next year.
SPEAKER_04 (37:24):
Okay, I'll come next year and ask.
Here's my complaint to theBigfoot Conference.
Yeah.
There were no there wasn't aquestion and answer session.
Really?
Yeah.
Ever.
I feel like I'd go wild.
I don't know.
You'd fit in.
You'd do great.
SPEAKER_01 (37:37):
Yeah, I know.
I honestly wish you could evensubmit questions beforehand.
SPEAKER_04 (37:42):
Yeah, and I think that they wanted to like keep a
hold on everything.
SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I bet it can go off the railspretty quick.
SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
So they don't want like bigfoot deniers, is what
you're saying.
Or like people challenging that.
They wanted could be.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
Yeah.
Well, I feel like it's alreadyhard enough to like put the
conference on in the firstplace.
So, you know, they're like,well, it's already hard enough
to like get the enthusiasm up.
We don't want to have like openthe door for it, would almost be
like having a question answerlike for comedy.
SPEAKER_03 (38:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
You know?
SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
Yeah.
Maybe.
SPEAKER_01 (38:17):
Maybe that's what they think would happen.
SPEAKER_04 (38:19):
So you're trying to basically like keep the momentum
going.
Yeah.
And I actually think everyonethere was super nice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (38:26):
I mean, it they are probably exactly as everyone
listening is picturing them.
What they look like, how theyact a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (38:34):
I feel like a lot of people would be wearing just
really interesting hats.
SPEAKER_04 (38:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:38):
Yeah.
A lot of hats.
Oh.
A lot of camo.
My goodness.
Camo.
SPEAKER_01 (38:42):
You don't understand.
Like one of the main guys had ona leather cowboy hat that like I
can't stop thinking about,actually.
SPEAKER_04 (38:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
There were so many good heads.
SPEAKER_03 (38:52):
There were.
Exactly what you would expect.
Yeah.
Camo.
I wouldn't expect camo.
I'm really blended.
Well, hunters.
SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
It's a big hunt.
A lot of hunters.
SPEAKER_04 (39:01):
Okay.
Outdoorsmen.
SPEAKER_01 (39:03):
Yeah.
I mean, I'm obsessed with camo.
SPEAKER_04 (39:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
unknown (39:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:07):
Well, yes, I guess it was.
Everybody became obsessed withcamo in the last few years and I
stopped.
But I used to wear a lot ofcamo.
SPEAKER_04 (39:13):
I like camo.
You were on the cutting edge.
You're like, I know.
SPEAKER_01 (39:16):
Then everybody took it and it's not as cool.
SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
I think you'd still wear it.
Yeah.
Be who you want to be.
SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
Yeah.
I know.
SPEAKER_03 (39:24):
That's pretty neat.
Um, are you guys gonna go backfor sure?
Like, is that are you guys likeplanning on it?
I think it'd be fun.
I think it'd be so fun.
I w I wanna go.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it'd be really,really interesting.
But I would want to suggest thatthey have a question answer
answer session.
Yeah.
Maybe we can submit suggestions.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
I think we could write in right now and like be
like, can we help you plan this?
SPEAKER_03 (39:47):
So are we gonna like throw a coup and actually we're
gonna be putting on thecomments?
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Like, I think we'd actually be like, hey, I know
you guys are really busy at yourold folks' home.
Yes.
There were a lot of olderpeople.
SPEAKER_03 (40:03):
How many women in their 30s were there?
SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
That would be you and me.
Really?
SPEAKER_04 (40:08):
Two.
Exactly two.
SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (40:09):
I think I well, I do believe there were a few other
women that were there with theirhusbands.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (40:15):
Yeah.
Well, yeah, that's a good point.
There were no other women thatwere just there together.
SPEAKER_04 (40:21):
Observing.
SPEAKER_01 (40:22):
Observ.
There were no women that werethere outside of being there in
a couple.
SPEAKER_03 (40:27):
Got it.
SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Like they were not of their of their own free
volition.
SPEAKER_03 (40:32):
It'd be funny to me, like, if there's like the
convention and there's like thebigfoot after party, like where
everybody like meets.
I would go to That's a goodidea.
See, we should plan it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
See, this is what I mean is like I think we could do
a good job planning it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
Yeah.
And and it's like to meet, Idon't know, like-minded folks, I
guess.
SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
I think it could have been a funner way to like
get the ideas flowing.
Like we can really find thisguy.
Right.
This foot.
This foot.
SPEAKER_04 (40:58):
This guy thing.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:59):
I'm obsessed with Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_04 (41:01):
I would definitely go again.
SPEAKER_01 (41:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:02):
It was fun.
SPEAKER_01 (41:03):
Yeah.
Especially if you go too.
SPEAKER_04 (41:05):
I I know I I would love to go.
Yeah.
But I imagine this group ofwomen in their 30s just showing
up.
unknown (41:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
My friend that's a scientist wants to go so bad.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (41:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:15):
Oh my god, Kelly.
Oh my god, Kelly here.
SPEAKER_03 (41:17):
I feel like I feel like people, I don't know.
I I feel like there's a lot tounpack there.
unknown (41:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:21):
I think that the two testimonies were very
interesting.
Yeah.
But I was not impressed with theactual experts.
Why did you believe thetestimonies?
It was just like the way theysaid them, just like very
genuine.
It was the two.
They were just very like nononsense.
(41:42):
Like the guy who got up therewas very nervous.
Yeah.
And like he just seemed I don'tknow, just like really
uncomfortable.
Like he wasn't sure why he wassharing it.
SPEAKER_03 (41:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:54):
And then the lady just was like to the point and
moved on.
To me, like the people who liewant more and more time or they
want the attention in thespotlight.
Yeah.
Um, but I didn't feel like theexperts brought anything like
concrete.
SPEAKER_01 (42:10):
So yeah, I wish that they had been if they had all
been more like the skinwalkerranch guy, like that's why I
bring him up so much, is that Iliked his concrete evidence.
Here's a photo of this, here's aphoto of that.
Like I just like it was easierto follow him.
And it was just very compelling.
SPEAKER_04 (42:28):
And also he had a lot more first hand stories.
Yeah.
Whereas these other people werejust kind of like they had none
of them had actually experiencedanything firsthand.
SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
Yeah.
The experts.
They wanted to a lot.
You could tell they werechomping at the bit real bad to
like.
SPEAKER_03 (42:45):
But this guy was legit because like stuff
happened to him.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
A lot of stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (42:49):
The other thing was that the people that stuff had
happened to, clearly they didn'twant to have stuff happen to
them.
And then the people who likewanted stuff to happen to them,
like they will never have abigfoot encounter ever in their
entire life because they want itway too bad.
You know?
They're driving it away.
It's just like social media.
You drive that away.
(43:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
Do you have any other questions, Summer?
SPEAKER_03 (43:15):
Uh my last question would be uh if you guys got a
Bigfoot shirt, what would theBigfoot shirt say?
And why?
Why do you assume I don't havethree Bigfoot shirts?
SPEAKER_04 (43:26):
Wait, three Bigfoot shirts.
What did they say?
Social distancing champion.
It's pink with the Bigfoot.
Yes.
And then I have one that's froma podcast called Wild Thing that
I love.
And it's like Bigfoot footprintsand then like high heels.
You wore that one.
And then the other one is asweatshirt and it has a Bigfoot
(43:49):
on it and says Bigfoot doesn'tbelieve in you either.
I love that.
I also have multiple stickersand paraphernalia.
Which people I've I've boughtthe shirts, but people just like
give me Bigfoot stuff now.
Because you're like a Bigfootperson.
Like you're one of those people.
I mean, I do have big feet, yes.
But I have like I like Bigfoot.
(44:11):
I'm like he was a Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
He was very big.
I don't know what I would put onthe I haven't had enough thought
to put in it.
But I would just take one ofyour shirts.
SPEAKER_03 (44:24):
That that's totally.
You know Kevin Hart and he'slike doing like the like that
look.
Yeah.
Mine would just be that, andthen just it just says like he's
real, and then on the back is apicture of Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Oh, I like that.
See?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (44:36):
We could be vendors.
That would be the shirt.
I think people would buy that.
I think.
SPEAKER_01 (44:39):
I feel like we would crush this.
We could be the vendors, theorganizers.
SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
Taking over the conference.
The after party organizer.
I'll do the after party.
Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
I just feel like we can make this really fun for
these people.
SPEAKER_03 (44:51):
I think so too.
SPEAKER_01 (44:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (44:54):
What are you guys obsessing over lately?
unknown (44:57):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
You want to go first?
SPEAKER_03 (44:58):
Yeah.
So I am obsessing over uhdesigning my house in a low
budget way, but making it cute.
So I guess low budgetrenovation.
SPEAKER_04 (45:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (45:09):
What's your what's the favorite thing that you have
gotten for it?
So I redid my dining room andgot uh basically painted uh the
lower half of the walls greenand then put photographs of
basically large floralphotographs in the back of the
dining room, and I got them alloff Etsy.
Their prints are like$2 a piece.
Nice.
Frame them and then put that upin my uh my dining room.
(45:31):
Cute.
Love it.
unknown (45:33):
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
Oh, that's nice.
Um, I'm obsessed with my newmigraine medicine.
It's called Topamax, but I callit Gleaminex.
SPEAKER_03 (45:43):
And this is not an ad for Topamax, by the way.
SPEAKER_01 (45:46):
It's not, and actually don't take it because
like I understand why mostpeople do not like it.
Um, I love it.
It feels like there's a hand onmy face all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (45:53):
It's not Bigfoot.
SPEAKER_01 (45:54):
It's not Bigfoot, but it's kind of like the hands
like this.
I don't know.
It's I like it.
It's just a really cool and um Ijust feel happy all the time.
It feels like I'm gonna have ahuge problem later on.
But yeah, it's great.
I haven't had a migraine in fourdays.
That doesn't sound like a longtime for most people.
I usually have four migraines aweek.
SPEAKER_04 (46:16):
Oh wow.
I thought it gotten better even.
It has, I mean we don't need toexplore your medical history.
I know, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
It's like I usually have between three and four
migraines a week.
SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
So that's it.
It's helping.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah.
unknown (46:32):
That's it.
SPEAKER_01 (46:32):
That's it.
That's my thing.
SPEAKER_04 (46:34):
So because there's three of us today, we decided to
come up with recommendationstogether.
Summer, what is our firstrecommendation?
Our first recommendation is uhto use infrared sauna.
Yes.
Because we are all all big fansof infrared saunas.
Yes, yes.
Highly recommend.
SPEAKER_03 (46:51):
Wait, where do you go?
SPEAKER_04 (46:53):
Uh well, I've gone to Pure Sweat.
SPEAKER_03 (46:55):
Yeah, that one is really, really good.
That's really okay.
SPEAKER_04 (46:58):
Yeah, we love Pure Sweat.
They've also um okay, so Summeralso produced we started
producing Together Cheaper thanTherapy.
Yes.
She's always been behind thescenes or dressed up as a tree.
I think dressed up as a tree.
I didn't know.
And now Marianna has joined ushelping.
So Pierce Wet and Flo has umsponsored us multiple times now.
(47:21):
Them and then The Butcher, theNew York butcher.
Yes, yes.
Big fan.
Also a therapy office hassponsored us.
We love our sponsors.
Yes.
Marianna, what is our otherrecommendation?
SPEAKER_01 (47:34):
Uh a local favorite comedian who's also a Bigfoot
enthusiast, Mr.
John Dollar, who just wonLouisville's favorite comedian.
Amazing.
SPEAKER_03 (47:44):
He was on our first cheaper than therapy back like
two years ago.
And he brought down the house.
He was so good.
SPEAKER_01 (47:52):
He was so good.
He's so funny.
He's so funny.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04 (47:57):
He like got caught up in the black curtain
accidentally.
Of course he doesn't rememberthat.
Yeah.
I don't remember what he's justflipping around and then I don't
know.
He doesn't know that we're doinga shadow.
No, he doesn't.
SPEAKER_01 (48:09):
I can't wait for him to see this.
He's one of my favorite people.
He's amazing.
Yeah.
No, we need to clip this forhim.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (48:15):
He's super funny, super nice, very professional to
have on a show.
Oh, yeah.
Love having him on the show.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (48:21):
So no notes.
SPEAKER_04 (48:23):
No notes.
SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
I don't have that to say about many men.
SPEAKER_04 (48:26):
And then he is a he has a Bigfoot joke.
SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Yeah.
So we won't give it away.
SPEAKER_04 (48:31):
We won't.
No, we won't give it away.
But people should go watch him.
SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
He's a Bigfoot enthusiast as well.
If I didn't say that already.
SPEAKER_04 (48:38):
Yeah, that's the right word.
Enthusiast.
Enthusiast.
What are you guys lookingforward to this week?
SPEAKER_03 (48:44):
To be honest, this is what I was looking forward
to.
Yay.
For me, I mean I've I've beenbehind the scenes for you know
two and two years.
And I I don't know.
Thank you for uh letting me comeon the podcast and be a be a
guest where usually I'm sittingin the corner.
We don't force her into thecorner.
She just I'm in the corner bychoice, but this is what I was
(49:07):
looking forward to.
SPEAKER_01 (49:09):
Aww.
I'm uh this is also what I waslooking forward to all week
because I've been sitting at myhouse.
Like, does the migraine medicinework?
Does the migraine medicine work?
That's been my week.
But I'm looking forward to fall,hopefully, although today it's
not very fall.
And apple cider donuts.
I don't know if you guys partakein those.
SPEAKER_03 (49:29):
I don't know if I've ever tried them.
SPEAKER_01 (49:30):
We're gonna we should go to this orchard that I
found in Mount Juliet calledBreden's Orchard.
They have apple cider donuts.
And they are very magical.
SPEAKER_04 (49:40):
Sounds magical.
I've made um, I make my ownpumpkin donuts.
SPEAKER_01 (49:45):
Or we could make apple cider donuts so that then
they're gluten-free.
SPEAKER_04 (49:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:49):
Because obviously.
SPEAKER_04 (49:50):
It is really hard to get a really good gluten-free
donut.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:54):
You know, I bet that they have conquered it.
I bet they have.
In Little Rock, they have.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (49:59):
Because I've ate ate them multiple times.
Yeah.
They're really good.
SPEAKER_01 (50:03):
Little Rock, they get it.
unknown (50:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (50:05):
Fascinating.
Um, I'm looking forward to I'mmeeting with a business
development coach tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (50:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (50:13):
And I'm like, I hit it off with her.
She's super nice.
She's actually gonna be on thepodcast later.
Um, but she uh is really intopositive psychology, which is
something that I got into like10 years ago, and it's it's very
fascinating.
And she's actually going throughthe master's program at Penn
State that I looked into when Iwas obsessing over it.
SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
What is positive psychology?
SPEAKER_04 (50:37):
Yeah, so they're they've studied how like
positive thinking can likeimprove like how how you I mean
how you think, how you act, howyou work, and everything.
So for example, every nightwrite down like three positive
things, and like that actuallyhas they can scientifically show
(50:57):
it has a improved effect on yourlife.
I I so believe that.
SPEAKER_01 (51:02):
Oh yeah, a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_04 (51:04):
Yeah, so it there's a lot more to it than that, but
that was the basic premise.
That's amazing.
SPEAKER_01 (51:10):
I love that.
SPEAKER_04 (51:10):
Yeah.
So um, Marianna, where canpeople find you?
SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
On my Instagram.
Uh it's Marianna underscoreBarkstell.
And then my YouTube, which Ican't remember what the handle
is.
SPEAKER_04 (51:24):
We can link.
And I'm sorry, but nobody getsto find Summer.
Yeah.
She's mysterious.
She's chosen to remain behindthe curtain.
SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
I'm just Summer.
It's like it's just Summer.
SPEAKER_01 (51:40):
She's our friend.
She's not your friend.
SPEAKER_04 (51:42):
I guess.
But thank you, Summer, forcoming on.
It's it's been fun having you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
Yeah, that's fun.
Two years in the making.
We got her.
Yeah.
No, yeah, this is like, oh mygosh.
SPEAKER_04 (52:00):
Yeah.
And of course, Marianna, it'sgreat to have you back.
Yes, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (52:03):
This was awesome.
SPEAKER_04 (52:05):
Yeah, thank you guys uh for watching and listening.
Uh, please follow us whereveryou listen to your podcast.
And I look forward to having youcome back next week.
The end.
Thanks for listening to mycrunchy zen era.
Please subscribe and leave areview wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
This podcast is produced by me,Nicole Swisher, and my good
friends Summer Harcup and LizColder.
(52:27):
Editing is by Drew HarrisonMedia, and recording is done by
Logos Creative in Nashville,Tennessee.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll be back next week.
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