July 24, 2025 • 53 mins
It was a karmic lesson for us to be uncomfortable... Brittany Otto shares in this week's episode. Join us this week as we discuss:
- Brittany's Akashic reading
- Spying on neighbors
- Ghosts and hauntings
- The challenges of being an empath hairstylist with healthy boundaries
- Hair loss due to COVID and Ozempic
- Accidental shrines
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to my Crunchy Zen Era.
I am Nicole Swisher and todaymy guest is Brittany Otto.
Welcome, brittany, thank you.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
doing.
I'm awesome.
This is exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is so exciting, thank you.
So what's?
What is something crunchy orzen that you've done lately?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
okay, so this is something that I had to think
about.
I just did an Akashic reading awhat?
Akashic reading?
Okay, tell me more.
Okay, so my friend learned howto do Akashic readings where
it's basically like your spiritguides are kind of in your life
and they're like directing you,but you have like a library of
like all your previous lives andthere's somebody that's keeping
(00:46):
a record okay, so who's?
keeping the record.
Though you're like akashic,like your spirit guide, you have
like one specific person whokind of like, keeps all your
records.
Who's this?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
okay, step back totally, it's a lot what's a
spirit guide?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
okay, so like we have people that kind of in every
lifetime, come and kind of teachus lessons, okay, and kind of
walk through our life with ussort of like the gut, so like in
in, like, lord of the rings youget like I didn't see it, but
I'm gonna trust you on this inthe hero's journey, like as part
of, like a plot yeah arc.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, there's usually like the wise guide, correct,
and that's sort of.
But like in our lives, yeah,okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So like I was basically able to like ask like
okay, whoever my designatedspirit guide is, would like come
forward and like allow thislike organic crunchy right
Reading.
Okay, of like where my lifeneeds to take place in this
lifetime and like maybe somekarmic lessons I have to learn
from my previous.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, and what are you willing to share with us?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
about this.
So we moved from Florida.
Me and my husband moved fromFlorida last year and it was a
karmic lesson for us to beuncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So like we moved a very comfortable life, we moved
to Nashville and it's been likea lot, like we moved a lot, like
I've traveled for work a lotand like I had to be in this
place of like I'm notcomfortable to like learn karmic
lessons from my previous life.
It's a lot to unpack, likethere's so much in the reading
(02:18):
but like I'm into all of it.
Where do you go to get thereading?
So she went to my friend'shouse.
So there was like the three ofus sitting there, yeah, and my
girlfriend Leah is the one whodid the reading.
We went to my friend Stephanie'shouse and we sat there and she
just like basically has likeyour angels come around for you
and she just like gets messagesthrough her to talk about like
(02:39):
your life and like your purposewow and she told me my purpose
is what I'm doing, which is hair.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I I feel like that's accurate that summer and I were
talking on the way over, we'vegot some background guests here.
I love it summer.
Our amazing friend yes, yourhusband, aaron.
Um, we were talking on the wayover about, like the fact that
you have this job that's likehair, and you've just, I don't
know, like it's just exploded,like it's super cool, like when
(03:06):
I, 20 years ago, when I wasassisting, I never thought my
life would be where it is today.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, like traveling every month and like all my
clients hanging out with me fora year while I did this back and
forth like, and then building abook here in Nashville.
I didn't see that, yeah, youknow.
So it's really cool and you hadto get uncomfortable.
I had to get uncomfortable likethat which, for most people, is
like.
This is the thing.
If you would have seen last yearwhat it looked like like
(03:33):
selling a house, selling a salon, buying more houses, moving
five times you'd be like fivetimes, yeah, whoa, okay, I only
knew about like two, so we soldour place, yeah, and then that
was a salon house okay, and thenI moved into a salon and then
we moved into a rental is thisall in florida, okay?
And then from the rental wemoved into our first house in
nashville.
Yeah, then we bought a secondhouse in nashville and now we're
(03:56):
moving back into that rentalwhen we go back to florida, back
in are you moving?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
back to florida.
Yes, okay, I didn't know thatpart.
Yeah, so we're moving back toFlorida.
Yes, okay, I didn't know thatpart.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, so we're moving back this summer, wow, and then
we're trying to figure out ifwe're going to buy in Florida,
okay.
So it's been a lot of moving.
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Are you keeping the houses here and just having them
rented?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, first one, yes, okay, second one.
I don't know that answer.
Know that answer, but this ispart of like the cool.
Akashic reading was like I'mleaving it open, okay, I'm
trying not to control everythingthat's.
I think that's great, which isreally hard for me like I'm
super controlling type a like, Ilike a plan but like life isn't
a plan, right?
(04:38):
yeah, like, the things you seeis not always what happens,
right?
So, like, the more you kind oflike buck the system, the harder
your life is, and that was kindof part of the reading.
Yeah, like, be open to theunknown, still work hard, but
like don't get in your own way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I mean, I think that's great advice.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I mean, I'm trying to take it myself.
Yeah, right, you know it's hard.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I feel like I I've, for the last year, had to
learn to be like.
I really like to be in controlas well.
Yeah, and that is just notwhat's going to happen for a
while.
And I keep telling my mom I'mlike I would just like this to
happen as I planned for it tohappen, and well, yeah, you went
through things that were notplanned right and you had to
(05:23):
roll with it.
Yeah, I also, like I recentlyheard somebody say like the
moment you're comfortable, yeah,like you should move on.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I think it's true.
I think we don't grow in thecomfortable.
I think we grow when we're likeforced to, almost sometimes,
yeah, and I think you get yourbest path and you learn the
lessons you're supposed to,because you have to learn your
lessons while you're here.
Yeah, if you're not learningthem, life's harder.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
You're just going to keep doingthem over and over again, you
do.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I try to tell my clients that, like when they're
behind, like I'm in the chairwith them, and they're like
listen, life is so hard and I'mlike but are you?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
listening.
Do you feel like you'resometimes like a therapist to
your clients?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Oh yeah, because I think I treat mine like a
therapist.
Yeah, totally, but like I thinkyou have to be to be successful
in the industry, like you haveto learn how to listen and talk,
give advice, but not take ithome with you.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Which is something I have a hard time with.
I think I'm very sensitive.
That's my biggest downfallBehind the chair.
Think I'm very sensitive.
That's my biggest downfallbehind the chair.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm very sensitive are you like an empath?
Yes, me too right.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So you like feel the energy, yes, and you're like I
want everyone to be okay, butsometimes it's okay for them not
to be yeah, that's like.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So I work hybrid right now, okay, and I've found
that, like, those two days athome are completely necessary.
I think so because otherwise,by the end of the week, I found
that like those two days at homeare completely necessary.
I think so because otherwise bythe end of the week I'm just
like super drained and I'vealways been like this.
I just thought it was like Idon't know, like the work itself
or whatever.
But I realize I'm like my momalways jokes that like people
(06:59):
tell me things and I'm like Iknow things I'm not supposed to
know for sure, like strangerswill tell you stuff and you're
like that's a great story, mary,but like I don't know you, I
don't know how to help youthrough this.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I wish the best for you in your journey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's just like my therapist was like think of it
as like a sieve of like emotionsand I'm like I wish I could say
, that helped me.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But I say that helped me, but I'm still like I don't
understand, yeah, so anyway,yeah, okay, next question so
that's my reading okay, okay, um.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So if you could go relive any memory you've had,
what would it be and why?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
okay, so I have two that pop up.
We saw Foo Fighters in GrantPark for our honeymoon in
Chicago in the pouring rain andthat was insane how long have
you been married?
Uh, 11 years this year, yeah,and it was very cool.
And then, um, I really wasobsessed with Harriet the spy
from Nickelodeon yeah, I was akid and I thought I was gonna be
(08:00):
a spy, so I used to spy on myneighbors when I was a kid,
growing up like binoculars.
Oh yeah, oh yeah like I thoughtI was like so cool and like so
suave and like nobody saw me,and my mom was always like,
yelling at me, like please, getback in the house but like I
loved it, the neighbors out.
It was weird, for sure.
But like I look back and I'mlike that was so much fun, yeah,
(08:21):
and I really believed I wasgonna be.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, you could be and we'd never know, right.
So Right, are you just coveringit up?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's a segue into yes , that's my other profession,
that's what we're really here totalk about yeah, for sure, so
that's probably one of the goodones, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I like that because I feel like, if you think back to
what you loved as a child andare you doing that now or not?
True, if you were doing morespying on the neighbors, would
you be happier in your?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
life.
Should I have been a PI?
Maybe Is it still out of mycards.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think that you and Summer could create a PI
business.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I'm very down.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Because when I need to know something about people,
I go to her.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I am so interested in everything.
So, yes, I want to know all thethings, so I could be an
assistant.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, why would you need tobe an assistant?
You could be a partner.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I need a little bit more probably training than just
what I knew from when I was 10,but I appreciate it okay well,
summer probably needs officialtraining too we do.
We need official training.
We're gonna get kicked out ofthe espionage school.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I think it could be like a rom-com though oh yeah,
it would definitely be a comedyyes yeah.
I like that.
Yeah, those are good memoriesum yes so, uh, what's an
unexpected talent, likesomething that you can do, that
you know and whatever think of,other than spying on people, I
feel like that's my unexpectedtalent, I don't even know, um.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, so I feel like my unexpected talent that I
would like love to actually useis I like doing like hair, of
course, but I like everything.
I like hair, makeup, outfit.
Like when I look at somebody Ican like see a vision.
You know what I mean.
Like it's kind of like when Iwatch music videos, like, or
when I when I listen to a song Isee a music video like I see
(10:18):
the whole thing like what itlooks like.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So I feel like maybe that so you could look at me and
be like Nicole, here's what youneed.
Yeah, I actually need that inmy life.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I feel like I would like love to go out with
somebody.
Be like okay, this outfit worksfor you.
Like, yeah, makeup hairstyle.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like yeah, I love it oh, that, I mean, that is a
talent.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Thanks, because I don't have that at all it's like
when you walk into a room andyou're like, oh, I can see the
potential here.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, like how to set it up?
Like we went into a lot of badhouses and I was like some of
them there's just no potential.
It's a bad layout, but some ofthem have potential.
Yeah, it's kind of like similar, like that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a talent, so like I
can go in and declutter andenjoy that okay but I can't
always see the potential yeah, Ilike to clutter you like to
clutter like I like things.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So yeah, so I'm the opposite of you.
I can declutter for you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's great.
I've been like on the fenceabout selling my house, okay,
and I I'm okay sharing that nowbecause I'm not planning to do
it okay, um, but I, when therealtor was coming through, I
was like I just I'm so excitedto declutter, yeah, and I'm like
I love it so much.
She was like I could pay youfor some of my clients.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I was like I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It causes me to de-stress and I really like it
To let go.
Yes, yeah, it's a talent, forsure.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
My house is very decluttered right now.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Because I just kept doing it even after I knew I
wasn't gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh, you did.
You're like well, I'm alreadygetting the ball rolling.
Yeah, for sure, so it's beengreat.
I love that.
Yeah, I need to do some of thatI can?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
maybe I can help you, thank you.
Thank you, yeah, you're likejust part and I'm like I cannot
yeah, so okay, the next part.
I have like these randomquestions, I know these have all
seemed random, but these areones I prepared a while ago and
I don't remember what they sayokay so it's even better okay,
um yeah, let's see what I've gothere.
All righty, last week I forgotmy bag over there and I was like
, oh okay, I just had to come upwith it are you a country or
(12:18):
city person?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I mean like obviously we live in Nashville right now,
so I feel like my heart isdrawn to a city, yeah, but like
I feel like Nashville is likecountry and city, right it turns
quickly into country.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I feel like yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
So I feel like it's like the best of both worlds,
yeah, but I mean, like I love togo to like a cabin for a couple
of days and go to a mountain,but then I'm a little bored and
then I like to be in a citywhere I have a lot of like
options.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yes, I'm the same way , and.
I've been like struggling withthat because I'm like I need to
own something in the city, okay,and then I need to own
something in the country, yeah,but like think I just chill out
when you're over stimulated here, exactly, yeah, yeah, because
remember we were talking aboutwe love Brentwood, yes, they've
(13:05):
got like, but do we because it'sa little spooky, yeah, and so
it's like when I go there toomuch for work, yeah, it's like
I'm I'm just like overstimulated, there's like so much going on
there, yeah, and then I's likewhen I go there, too much for
work.
Yeah, it's like I'm just likeover stimulated.
There's like so much going onthere, yeah, and then I just
want to like go to like a randomcabin, which I have done, yeah,
and in Alabama, and just nowi-fi.
No, nothing, just me and my dog.
(13:26):
Yeah, and I was like I'm socalm, but I couldn't be here
more than a week wait, but likeyour story of you just going
away yeah like your little ghoststory was that in?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
a cabin in the middle of nowhere.
No, that was in the middle ofLittle Rock okay, because that
was very scary and that wouldmake me not ever want to go.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay, but there is a story at the Alabama cabin oh
which I don't, it's not a ghoststory.
Okay because.
Oh, which I don't, it's not aghost story.
Okay, because it can't be.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So it's like this cabin, it was like on a creek
and it was like nothing around.
Really it was like me and thedog and the dog's like mostly
deaf by this point, right, and Iwas like it was after dark and
suddenly I heard these likescratchy noises all over the
room.
No, and like it went on and on.
I was like okay, like I have tolet the dog out, and luckily it
(14:16):
was like so deserted, I justlike let him out and he would
like come back and it was fine,okay.
But when I would let him out,I'd be like is something gonna
like jump down?
on me, oh yeah and it happenedboth nights.
I was there but I concludedlike it had to be like a raccoon
or a bat.
But the reason I I'm like it'snot a ghost story.
My brain went to aliens, oh so.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, that's not that far fetched, I mean, if you
believe in aliens.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I do believe in aliens.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, they might have talents.
Yeah, so I feel like it was abat or a raccoon, but I
definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Googled like what is anama?
That might climb on a roofbecause we needed to know.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's that like organized self of you that
you're like.
I just need to know so I canlike put it in my brain yeah,
but it's nothing, it's not right, it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I like to do that too , but I I sometimes feel like in
this, even after, like I leftlittle rock with that whole
story which I can share.
But like I kind of feel, like Ilike being a little scared, oh
because then I leave and I feelmore confident, oh, like I took
care of myself.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Okay, so like, maybe this is one of your lessons tell
me more, be more likecomfortable in this, like kind
of a fear yeah, I could you knowwhat I mean.
Like, yes, I hate it.
Like if you jump, scare me, I'mnever talking to you again okay
, I'm not doing, I'm not herefor that, like I am not a person
who likes to be scared, I don'twant to be like, do not do that
to me, because I'm like whywould you do that?
I'm so nice to you, yeah, whywould you put me in pain?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
so, but maybe for you that's, you're uncomfortable
maybe it is like I, I'm goodyou've been in these situations
now a few times and it's withinthe last like few months.
Yeah, but like I think, likethe alabama cabin, I was like
cool with that because I wasjust like the likelihood of this
being something dangerous islike fine, okay, you know, like
(16:05):
it's unlikely, and I got the dog, even though he's deaf, like
right, he's still going outthere all happy.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well then, he's not jump scaring you, no.
So that's kind of good, right,yeah, but like so the little
rock story, which is not good,which I love that one's freaky
and I really like the airbnb.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It was like in well, I'm not gonna say specifically
what area just in case I got mylittle rock visitor right like
listeners, um, but like all goodall week, yep, and then it had.
It was like an old old houseyep and it had like that attic
where you like pull down rightand that was like closed all
(16:43):
week.
It freaked me out a little bitwhen I first got there, but I
was like you're fine that's thespirit I'm okay with, but every
horror movie has that, just sowe.
I know, but I don't watch horrormovies, because I don't want to
know these things you mightneed to next time.
No, but like I searched thewhole house as one does, and
then the last night I took thedog out, yep, and I came back in
(17:05):
and I checked the locks, I madesure it was all locked up and I
go to bed, and like the atticwas creaked open just a little
bit and I was like it's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But it wasn't when you first looked.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
No, it wasn't when I first looked, but I figured it
was like airflow somethingwhatever I was like I'm not
touching that thing, which Idon't know why.
I didn't just close it, but Ijust was like I can't touch that
in the dark.
So I like go into my bedroom, Ishut the door yeah, very tight
and I like go to sleep and Iwake up.
I think it was like 4 30.
I wake up and I like look, lookat the door and it looks like
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it's creaked open and someone'slooking at me.
No, but the dog is trazodoned upat this point because, because
he's got dementia and he can'tsleep and so he couldn't do
anything.
I was like, oh crap, the dogcan't protect me, yeah, um, and
I quickly flip on the light andthere's nobody there and I'm
like well, I'm not leaving thisroom.
(18:01):
So finally, at 6 30 I like getup and I open the door and the
attic is creaked open even moreand I go to the back door and it
is unlocked and I just like Ibasically just was like in like
I just got to get out of heremode, but very like calm about
(18:22):
it totally.
So I just started packing upand like when we were in the car
I was like nothing happened,nothing happened.
And then 24 hours later I toldmy roommate what happened.
He was are you kidding me?
And I was like he's like youknow, someone was in that house
and I was like no one was in thehouse.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And he's like but the door was locked.
Is your gut saying it was aperson that's living amongst us,
or is it a person who used tobe living amongst us?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I don't know, I have goosebumps and I don't know I
have goosebumps and I don't know.
I feel like you do know, Ithink it was a ghost.
Yeah, totally so creepy, and Ilike definitely did what my mom
always told me to do.
I'd be like in the name ofJesus Christ leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh, absolutely, that's the least you could do
right now.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Absolutely.
It was horrifying and like,like I had such a great week
there and then I'm like I can'tgo back to that Airbnb.
So wait, how many days were youthere total?
I mean, I got in on a Saturdayand I left on a Saturday morning
, so nothing happened till thelast.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Nothing happened to the last day and it was weird it
was weird maybe your ghost waslike over your stay maybe and
was like please check out now.
That might have been what itwas okay, so like I have.
I have people that have passedon that do come talk to me.
It freaks out everybody, I know.
I mean I'm thoroughly freakedout and I sleep with the tv on
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every night yes, because it'slike a white noise and it kind
of keeps things away.
How does your husband feelabout this?
He hated it.
When we first started livingtogether he was like I cannot
sleep with the TV.
Now I feel like he kind of gets.
Why?
So?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But I've had, like I had a customer of mine and her
and her daughter used to comeinto me and her mom passed away.
So, the night before hermemorial the next day she kind
of came to me and her mom passedaway.
So the night before hermemorial the next day she kind
of came to me and they're alwayscreepy in the corner of the
room.
Why you do this?
Wait okay.
So like, do you see them?
It's weird.
It's like sometimes like I canfeel them.
Okay, I can't always like seethem, like how I'm seeing you
(20:26):
but.
I can like feel them, liketheir energy, like wakes me up.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I've just got so many goose bumps and there's no,
there's no talking.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's, it's literally like a communication, like maybe
telepathy, I don't know, butit's like she said, or I sensed
the word yellow and that was it.
There was nothing else to sayand I didn't know what that
meant.
So the next day I show up tothe memorial and everybody's
wearing yellow no so I tell herdaughter who's my client.
I'm like, okay, this is so crazy.
But your mom came to see melast night and she goes what?
(20:55):
And I go.
And she told me yellow.
And I don't know what thatmeans.
She goes, it's her favoritecolor.
That's why we're all wearingyellow today.
Oh my gosh.
I just got chills too, but thatwas like there's been so many
like people who have passedwho've tried to talk to me and
it's like they just basicallywant me to say like I'm okay In
a sense, Like I know people arethinking about me, but it still
(21:16):
scares the shit out of me.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I'm not okay.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Nobody's like mean or aggressive and I honestly will
be like, can you please just goaway now Like I'm freaked out by
it.
But if the TV is off, somebodywill come talk to me.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I can't Okay Again.
Somebody will come talk to me.
Oh my gosh, I can't okay again.
Since I was a kid, since youwere a kid like I, had to start
sleeping with a tv on when I wasa kid.
Oh, my god, my parents had toput a tv in my room because I
was like I just can't sleep.
That's so crazy, but I thinkwe're all capable of this.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I don't want to be capable of this right.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, it only really happens, if you're like open.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm not open, so the more curious you get.
Be careful because I'm curious,but I'm always like no, no, you
know like I dip my toe in andI'm like I'm telling the
universe, I'm not curious, Idon't want no you're like no
thanks no, thank you and like no, yeah, I um my dog passed away
a couple weeks ago.
Oh, I'm sorry and I that's howwe connected was our old little
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grumpies, our little deaf babiesvery deaf and like the first
week was horrible, of course.
And then, like now, I just feellike good and I'm like, well,
maybe he's still kind of hereand like okay.
So I always tease my parentslike they, they kept all the
ashes of their dogs, so does mymom, it's in just like the
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cupboards.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, no, it's like up on the bookshelf, like here's
our book and here's you know,maxie in trouble.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So currently he is on my bookshelf, correct?
And I was like, if I do sell myhouse, like is he just chilling
, maybe On the bookshelf, maybe,and then Maybe this comes with
the house, I like accidentallymade a shrine for him, wait wait
Accidentally.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
How does that happen?
It just kept building.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Wait, I love that An accidental shrine.
It like Okay, so I have apainting of him.
That I did a few years ago.
I went to like a paint and winething with my friend.
Okay, so it started with that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm like actually tearing up about your shrine
okay, and then it, oh no.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get through it
no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I feel every emotion for you right now.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
See empath I've realized through this whole
thing I have a really dark senseof humor.
They didn't know that it'shelpful, no it.
Then they gave me like a littlepaw print, oh yeah, and then,
and then he was returned, and sohe's in a little box, and then
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each of the vets sent me cards.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And then I added his bow tie wow, this thing just
spread man yeah, um, so that'swhere we're at I feel like the
shrine must go with you too.
I'm sorry, like you cannotleave this behind.
I mean, I wish I could say thisis weird, but like my mom also
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has a shrine of all of her andthe picture frames up around the
house, she actually has moredog pictures in her house than
her children.
I mean, I don't have children,so I definitely have more.
Well, wait so our pets get sentto us when we're not able to
have children at that point inour, like our life so like yeah,
your animal picked you hedefinitely did.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
He was supposed to be an emotional support dog and I
became an emotional support,human, correct, same, he's very.
He was very anxious, yeah, buthe was like really special, very
special.
Yeah, his dog walkers would alllike send me little things,
being like I just feel so muchbetter after spending time with
Caffrey and I was like, well,you should be paying me.
(24:59):
Yeah, okay, and his one dogwalker, ed, from years and years
ago in Minneapolis he liketexted every year on Caffrey's
birthday oh my gosh like happybirthday to my special friend.
He was my last great memory inminneapolis um okay, our, our
dogs are.
We're very different oh really,what's your dog like?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
because you have great memories.
Ours is like he's special.
Oh no, as in tough okay he's, Imean kaffrey was tough in other
like he had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
He had a hate list, got it trucks, little children,
rollerbladers, people onscooters in nashville oh, our
list would be better to say whathe did like, because it's much
smaller so different, but okay,okay, yeah, I mean this is a
long list.
But yeah, he also didn't like acouple of my ex-boyfriends and
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I think he was like a prettygood judging character in that
yeah, because I was like smartyeah I'm not gonna say who it
was, but they know, you know weall know anyway, dog shrine, dog
shrine, it's shrine, it's good.
Okay, I want to move on totalking about your job a little
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bit.
Okay, I had some other randomthoughts, but we'll leave that.
What do you do?
I feel like we jumped right in.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We know it's hair related, so I'm a hairstylist.
I've been doing this for 20years.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I used to take all my Barbies and cut off all their
hair and then put them in thetrash and, like, put tissues
over the hair so like my momwouldn't know she's like but
your Barbies has no hair now.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's not grown back, so I like always loved hair.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, like when I watch a movie, like I am just
like, okay, is that a wig, isthat extensions?
Like what kind of color is that?
Like I love hair yeah.
And I've gone through a coupletimes in like my career, where I
was like, is this what I shouldbe doing?
Like I've questioned myself forsure, Because it's a hard job.
How is it hard?
You're basically like, like Ihave you know, before we left
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for Florida, I had 123 full timeclients and so I feel like I
had 123 mini bosses where, likeevery time they come in, I got
to do the best job.
It's not like you can just likedo a great job in the morning
and kind of coast for theafternoon, like every person
right, like every person is likea job and you should do your
best job.
So it feels like there's it'sexhausting at the end of the day
(27:29):
because people tell me heavystuff and people tell me good
stuff.
So like sometimes I leave and Ineed to just like like I'm a,
I'm a cancer crab, like I'm aJuly birthday, so like I like to
go back into my shell.
Sometimes I'm like, okay, thatwas too much and now I need to
go retreat, um, and thensometimes I'm like an extrovert
and I'm like I want to talk andI want to know your story.
You know what I mean but itdepends kind of like how my day
(27:51):
goes interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, how do you like ?
How do you like unwind thatwhen you get home?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
um, I like to just kind of sit like by myself, like
not really like listening orwatching tv or reading.
I just like to like kind ofzone out, it kind of helps me,
like reconnect, if that makessense.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Like yeah, I'm really curious about that because,
like, that's been a challengefor me okay, okay.
It's like getting home and thenit's like, how do you, how do
you turn your work brain off?
For me it's like a lawyer orwhatever, and I found it's like
going on a little walk orsomething For sure, yeah, I mean
like I think sitting outside isalways like the go-to.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Like we have an awesome backyard, so like if I
can just sit out there with thedogs and like let them do their
thing, and like knock it onsocial media.
And yeah, because it's likesocial media is not even making
us happy anymore.
I think it's just like we'rejust naturally scrolling to do
something yeah it's like a, it'sa pastime, yeah, so it's like
I'm not ever watching something,being like oh my god, this
looks so amazing, or like theydid such a great job.
(28:48):
So for me I I even tell, like myhusband, I like I think
sometimes it's like nice todisconnect, because, like when
it brings you joy, you should dothose things.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
But if it's not really bringing you joy, maybe
it's time to just kind of like,do something else.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And sitting for 30 minutes with no phone, no TV is
very, very hard.
I'm a 37 year old adult.
It's super hard.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was why, like going to that
cabin, I looked for like noWi-Fi.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
But it's also like that's boring, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You need to be bored.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I know, but we're so used to being overly stimulated
that for me, with my job, I needthat like underwhelming moment
you know to like just kind ofchill.
Do you ever have a client?
Do you ever fire a client?
I have.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate confrontation.
Um, I kind of just blame me.
Okay, I think the easiest thingto do is I think I'm not giving
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you what you deserve in thislike appointment, and you're
paying for something you shouldbe happy, yeah.
So I kind of like put it on melike I wish I could help you,
but like, but like no one canretrospect, you're stressing me
the f**k out.
Yeah, and I don't look forwardto seeing you because I can't
make you happy, because it'sreally not even about your hair.
Yeah, that's like the therapistpart.
(30:05):
Yes, so that's why my job islike you know, you're like
riding a little bit of a rollercoaster with it, because you
just never know like, are youcoming in happy today?
Yeah, like if you ask me for ablonde pixie, I'm gonna say are
we going through something?
because you've never asked forthat before right, yes, so like
trying to read people is part ofit, I think you know.
(30:26):
So that's why I feel exhaustedsometimes at the end of the day
is it?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I mean, how do you?
I mean, I'm sure you have someway of like documenting all
these things, but I've alwayswondered, like when I go to get
my hair done I'm like, yeah,they remember me.
Like sometimes they'll rememberlike my dog.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think hairdressers are just like a cool breed of
people yeah because it's likewhen you love what you do, like
I don't feel like it.
There's no work involved inthat aspect.
Like I'm connecting'mconnecting to you, you're coming
in and spending your time andmoney with me.
Like I'm connected to you fordoing that.
You know what I mean.
So, like I know your story, youknow.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And like what personality traits do you think
someone needs to have to like behairstylist?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I know a lot of introverted hairstylists that
struggle.
I could see that.
So I feel like you kind of haveto be a little bit of both.
The biggest thing is you haveto read a room Like you have to
know when it's like time tolisten and time to talk, because
some people are very nervoussitting in front of a mirror.
I could see that.
It's like something I didn'treally realize when I first
(31:30):
started doing hair, but you'llnotice like if you look at
somebody in yeah and so like,maybe you carry the conversation
a little bit more that day, anddo you ever have.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
So there have been times where I'm like I just
don't want to talk for sure, andI love that, so I'll go off
your energy I've always wonderedif that's like annoying to the
hairstyles like that's part ofreading the room.
Okay, I like the current thelady I currently have because
like one time we were liketalking and then the next time I
was just like really tired.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I just like sat there and she just did her thing.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, like I think, the beginning of an appointment.
It's nice to talk.
And then I'm going to feed off.
You Like, if you're talking andengaging with me, I'm going to
keep engaging you.
But if you're kind of like justchilling or maybe you want to
just like read your book likeyou should, it's your
appointment time.
I've always wondered.
But I, um, I've always wondered.
(32:23):
But I will say 99% of myclientele, yeah, we're talkers,
are they?
yeah, we like to talk, we liketo catch up, I've also known
them for so many years, so we,like, know everything about each
other there was like one lady Iabsolutely loved and I would
look forward to like talking toher each time, for sure, she had
a very like calming energy,yeah, and so it was like it was
just kind of nice to catch up,yeah, but but sometimes you just
like are kind of having a dayand you're like I don't want to
(32:44):
do this, yeah, so how did you gofrom?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
you said you started as an assistant, for sure, and
then now you run your ownbusiness, where you're flying
back to Florida.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I know so weird do people's hair like how do you?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
get there, and so when you, and also when you move
to florida, are you gonna flyback to nashville?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I don't know okay, I don't know that answer.
I feel like I think it's beenvery difficult for me to be in
two places.
I I like to feel settled and Ithink being in two places has
been kind of tough for me.
It it's a learning, but I thinkfor me, I think, focusing on
Florida, with my clientele makessense for this part of my life.
(33:27):
I have really wonderful peoplethat I've been doing their hair
in Nashville, but I don't feelthe same connection here.
I feel like I've loved being atthe salon.
I've met the really mostamazing girls, have just been
helpful and there for me but, Idon't feel like that's my
journey, if that makes sense,like it's not like a against
anybody thing.
I just feel like my journey isin Florida yeah and I can't
(33:48):
explain it because my journeywas here last year yeah but
that's being open, you know.
So I don't know.
I feel like maybe it's good tojust focus on Florida and see
what happens here.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So when did you decide to likestart your own business?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh, I think I've been working for myself for like 15,
14 years.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Is it hard to start your own as a?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think you get pushed into it in our industry,
like I feel like you're workingso much and you're making money
for like your boss that you'rejust kind of like hey, can I
kind of make more money for meright now?
And so you start to go wait,I'm capable of running my own
show and I was already doing thebooking and the educational
stuff and I had a wonderfulmentor and when I told her I was
like I think I'm ready to go onmy own.
She's like yeah, you are.
And I'm like, oh, she's like,but I was waiting for you to say
(34:40):
something interesting yeah,she's always been like her
name's Jill.
She's really cool and she's beenlike kind of like my spiritual,
like guru.
She's been like my mentor inthe hair world and she's kind of
like every time, like I saidI'm gonna go buy my own salon,
she's like you should.
Did you have to buy it?
So yeah, so we bought is athree-story work-to-live
building oh and so the upstairsis where we lived, and then the
bottom floor.
I renovated it into a salon, athree-chair boutique oh cool,
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yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
So like I had that for six years, did you?
I mean, did you like it?
The convenience?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
of that.
I loved it, and then I startedto feel like I missed the
separation of work and home.
Gotcha but.
I loved it and it was duringcovid time okay so like it was
very different than being inlike a big salon with people
like I kind of could just keepmy stuff how I needed it to be
yeah because, like everythingwas very specific on how to run
a salon, right, so, like I lovedit, yeah and so do you do what
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exactly like.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Are you specialized in something?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
no, I do everything, but I love and I do a lot of
extensions which I'm so curiousabout extensions.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I love them because, like they changed my life, do
you have?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
yes, my hair is like that long, like my hair is thin,
it just doesn't grow, it's justboring.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I always like, so I see women with this beautiful
hair and I never thought.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And then I was like why?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
is my hair not like that?
And then someone hold a curl?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
yes, yeah, my hair doesn't hold a curl.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
My extensions do okay , is it healthy or unhealthy for
your hair?
It just kind of is.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think some people are not candidates for
extensions, for sure, butthere's so many different types
of extensions that like if yougo to somebody who does this
often and you just start honestwith them and be like listen, I
want to add either length orvolume, yeah, they should be
educated well enough to sayyou're a candidate for a weft or
a k-tip or whatever type ofinstallation.
I do everything because I alsowear everything in my head.
(36:29):
Like I can't get enough ofextensions.
So like I go to all the classes, yeah, and I did tape and
extensions and I did individualkeratin protein and now I do
wefts and I love them.
What, what is that?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
it's like it's a row of hair and then you put
individual keratin protein andnow I do wefts and I love them.
What, what is that?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
it's like it's a row of hair and then you put a row
of beads into your head and thenyou stitch the hair onto the
beads, stitch the hair on.
How long does that take to do?
I'm quick, like yeah.
I'm like very efficient, solike 30 minutes to put a row in.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Seriously, yeah, okay it takes me so long to get my
hair done well, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So that's one thing that my clients tell me is like
you're very quick, like I liketo talk, but I like to get like
if somebody's running fiveminutes late, they all look like
I'm gonna scold them.
I'm like sit down, but I alsorun a crazy book when I'm in
Florida, like if I'm there fornine days.
I work nine days and I workfrom seven to seven.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Where are you going back to your salon when you go?
So?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
we sold my salon.
So I'm at my girlfriend Erica'ssalon right now.
And I have a suite and she justlets me kind of like, do my
thing, come and go.
She keeps my room for me whenI'm not there.
She's awesome.
I've had a really good group ofhairstylists in my life,
community wise that I've justkind of always been like, yeah,
do your thing yeah which is niceyeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So you mentioned something about COVID and like
stress on hair, yeah, and Ireally want to hear more about
that because I feel like I'mlosing hair everybody is
everybody is, I feel like eitheryou got the shot or you didn't
get the shot, it did not matteryeah like everybody went through
and I don't know if it was likestress induced or if it was
(38:05):
because of covid, I couldn'ttell you, but everybody has
dealt with some type of hairloss yeah um, also, everybody's
doing semi-glutide shots andthey're not eating how they on
it or taking the supplements forit so what is that like the
ozempic?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
oh okay, I was like just like yeah, and I was like
wait, I don't know between covidand then ozempic.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Like everybody has had some one of them.
So people are losing likeweight, but they're also losing
their hair.
So covid, I think really juststarted this ball rolling of
hair loss, like if you go onlinethere's a million type of like
hair supplements.
Now that didn't really exist 10years ago, people weren't
talking about it and we shouldhave always had them yeah, and
(38:48):
is that like regulated, becauseI feel like a lot of supplements
currently are not?
they are not, but likeneutrophil is like a really,
really great one.
I I love it personally, a lotof my clients are on neutrophil,
but it kind of is like rememberrogaine, yeah, okay.
So it's the same thing like ifyou use rogaine or neutrophil or
hers or any of these ones outthere, you stop using them, say
(39:08):
you take, you use it for like ayear.
It takes six months for yourhair to go back to what it
originally was before youstarted using it.
Okay.
So it's kind of things that youneed to stay on for life, which
is expensive yeah, so like isit okay?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
so if, what is it in the?
Is it like nutrition?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
we're just not getting correct, like a lot of
us.
Like, um, I love like the bvitamins and the collagen and
ashwagandha.
Like if you were to take allthose supplements separately
super expensive, yes, but likeif you take like a neutrophil.
They're kind of like set up forhow much you need per serving
right for yourself.
So we should all be on all thesethings that we're not we're not
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really getting, because a lotof people are just not eating
enough like vegetables or fruitsor proteins to kind of make up
for that.
So I think that has a lot to dowith it too, but I think it's
like, definitely environmentalokay, because I feel like, so
like I never noticed the theshedding are you shedding a lot
not more than nor so.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Like the first time I got my hair, yeah, died in like
, because I didn't not reallyuntil like high, late high
school or early college, andthen it started and I was like,
okay, if I had known that wouldhappen.
And maybe it was just kind oflike a fluke timing or something
maybe, but it definitely.
I think it might be increasing.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
But I've also had a lot of stress so also we change,
like our hair changes everyseven years.
It does yes, so like as we grow.
Like our nose never stopsgrowing, our hair changes every
seven years.
Like there's weird littlethings about it.
So like if you look at somebodywho lives a pretty healthy
lifestyle, regardless, theirhair's still gonna thin, still
(40:48):
gonna get gray, they're gonnalose pigmentation in their hair,
right, so you can do as much asyou can to prevent some of it,
but like it's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It's just yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But in our age bracket I think we're seeing way
more thinning than I've everseen 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Like clients that are in their 30s.
I'm seeing personal too, LikeI'm seeing way more shedding,
way more thinning.
And that's why I think hairsupplements are really important
right now.
Okay, but also, like I broughtmy little yeah, let's see it,
okay so.
I'm obsessed with K18.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
K18.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
So this is about your molecular level of your hair.
So there's Olaplex out therethat rebuilds the bonds of our
hair and we break apart bonds inour hair when we brush, color
blow dry, just normal wear andtear.
This is on a molecular level,so it's way deeper and it works
in the first time and it onlytakes four minutes.
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It's very very cool.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So like is it sorry, is it a supplement or something
you put on your hair?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
it's something you put topically on your hair.
Um, they do like shampoo andconditioner.
I'm telling everybody youshould be using something for
like this, like if you're havinghair issues yeah, use a k18.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
K18, and is it a particular brand or just this is
their?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
brand.
This is k18 is their brand okay, and they um, so this is like
your molecular mask, so this islike a leave-in product.
Um, olaplex is amazing and it'shuge, but that's a different
thing, like if you have reallybroken hair, from like bleaching
or frying of the flat iron thatrepairs your bonds of your hair
.
This does deeper okay, yeah, soI'm, that's what I'm obsessed
(42:24):
with right now.
So if you had like onerecommendation, is that what it
would be I think so, like I'm abig component for like heat
protection for our hair.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Now, I was gonna ask you about that because I I try
not to blow dry my hair verymuch.
Yeah, I mean honestly likedoing anything to your hair yeah
causes damage or we've beenwalking around with dreadlocks,
right, yeah so, like heatprotection is my favorite
favorite product ever.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Like if you can only bring one product to like a
deserted island.
Bring heat protection okay,because it's like the sun and
brushing and all that stuff, butlike if you're having issues
with your hair, look into likeyour k1818s, your Olaplexes.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Interesting.
Yeah, I love them.
I never thought about the sunon your hair.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I'm always like every summer.
I'm like I like how my hairjust like lightens up in the sun
, and now I'm like wait a second.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Well, majority of people are dying their hair over
the age of like 27, 28, right.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, so like when you have like fake color in your
hair, you got to protect it.
How many people like?
How many people do you thinkhave like extensions versus like
dyeing their hair and I mean ifyou're wearing extensions yeah
100%.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
You're dying your hair too.
Okay, that's a lot.
Majority of women, okay, aredying.
And extensions, yeah, um, solike 99 I hate to say 100, but
like 99 percent but um, yeah, Ithink most people are wearing
extensions now because of whatwe've been through and also like
social media has made everybodybe like oh, I don't have enough
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hair.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I feel like that's really important to share
because it's especially womenright yeah, because like what
you're seeing, we all know whatwe're seeing is not like reality
.
But then sometimes I'm like,but like, how is it?
How do you look so good still?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
yeah, because they're sitting inside in air
conditioning and they've likeflipped their head over and then
flipped it back over, so it'sreally full yeah, right and, but
that's not realistic.
No, you know yeah so like Ialways tell people, like look at
a picture, put your thumb overtheir face.
Do you still like their hair ordo you just like their Botox?
(44:28):
You know what I mean?
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, like it's like easy tolook at, like a Jennifer Aniston
who like ages perfectly, uh huh, but like do you like her
haircut and color or do you justlike how she looks with it?
yeah right, yeah, so like Ialways do that interesting yeah,
I do.
I put the thumb over the faceand I'm like do you still like
it?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I still like your hair, it's great thanks, yeah,
okay, let me see what else.
I had for you okay, before Iforget um, okay, what's?
What would you say is like afailure that's occurred, like,
whether it's in your work lifeor just in general, that
actually turned out to be ablessing in your life.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So I mean I've had a lot of failures, right, like
when you own a business, there'slike so many things that you
could do in retrospect likebetter.
But I feel like my failureshave made me work harder, so
like maybe I didn't align myselfwith the best boundaries with
work.
Yeah, um, I'm learning that.
I think therapy is amazing lovetherapy yeah, I think everybody
(45:29):
should do therapy.
Um, so maybe like not creatingreally good boundaries.
When I first kind of got my ownbusiness going like I would
answer my phone at any time ofthe day and I would stress out
about it, and now I'm like it'sokay if on a Sunday maybe I just
don't have my phone.
Yeah, you know, and likehonestly, if somebody's like
having an issue or like anextension got pulled out or
(45:50):
whatever, I can absolutely sayto them hey, I totally like
understand that this is kind ofa problem for you.
Tomorrow I will take care of itand I'll talk to you about it.
And honestly, everybody in mybook's like okay, cool, yeah,
but that was an issue I think inthe beginning was boundaries.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Like worrying if you set them, it's like, oh, I'm
going to lose somebody.
Yeah, because you're scared,yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
But like living in fear with that doesn't work for
us, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Okay, I'm going to move us on.
What are you obsessing overlately, other than the k18?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
because, okay, that's clearly so like I love my k18 I
also am obsessed with the lipstain liners that people are
doing?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
are you wearing it?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
yes, okay, okay.
So this is awesome because,right, I talk so much that I
wear everything out.
So like you put this on andit's a liquid and it's a stain
and it dries, and then you peelit off and it lasts for like 12
hours.
You peel it off, yeah, likeit's so cool, like it literally
just looks like a stain and itdoesn't dry out your lips or
anything.
It's the coolest thing ever, soI'm kind of obsessed with this.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
What brand is that?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Amazon.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Amazon?
I don't even know.
Like I just like liner stainand it's like big on instagram
right now, so that's kind ofsomething I love, and also ed
the zebra I'm obsessed with edthe zebra, like it's my story.
Yeah, where was he in uhrutherford?
Yeah, yeah oh ed we love ed.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I mean, how he got picked up and brought back was
like that's iconic right there.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, who even thinks of doing like they knew to do
that?
I know Somebody has done thisbefore.
Correct, absolutely.
Which we need to see more oflike where has this been done
before Just?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
clips of that but it was like a daily thing.
I'm like did Ed get caught yet,or no?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
You know I loved it, we love Ed, so I'm obsessed with
.
I wrote it down so I would makesure I got it.
I've been ordering pizza.
Perfect, it's a I mean, it's apizza place in nashville that I
apparently had never heard of,okay, and they have this gluten,
gluten-free blanc pizza, oh,and I think you're gluten-free.
I'm gluten-free and it is sogood, and especially good with a
(47:54):
glass of red wine.
Nice to the point where I'mlike I think I have to delete my
door because that's like allyour, all your money, and I'm
like once a week now, it's sodelicious okay wait, are you
adhd at all?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
uh, not, maybe because I read this article
about people will eat the samethings because it's such a
comfort for people that are alittle bit like adhd according
to my therapist, I might have atiny dabble in adhd right.
I mean, is it?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
social media induced?
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I don't know but like I'll, I'll do the same thing.
I'll like the same thing overand over again and then all of a
sudden, I'm like repulsed by it.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yes, so I am that way , okay, yep yeah, also, if we're
talking about things I'mobsessed with on that, it's like
the protein balls from the newyork butcher in nashville like I
.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I just can't oh, they're so good wait, where is
that?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
um, it's in green hills.
Oh okay, so delicious, allright, thank you, summer, for
introducing me so good, that'sawesome, um, but yeah, it's hard
to have them in the housebecause I just eat them there
yeah, I did have them, them forbreakfast, okay.
so this week's recommendationsum, mine, yes, is so this is the
(49:07):
final book in an electra, soelectra mcdonald this is like
the fifth book, cool, and it'sby ashley weaver.
I just randomly found thisseries at the library and it's
so good because it's got likethis strong female character.
It's a mystery and I can'tfigure out the end, which is
unusual for me, okay, and she'slike an antihero, which I love
(49:30):
yeah.
Like.
That's why I like.
White Collar is one of myfavorite shows Very cool.
But yeah, so this is the lastbook in the series and I'm going
to actually have Ashley Weaveron in a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Is she local?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
She's not local.
I think she's in like Louisianaor Texas.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, so super excited Awesome.
I haven't read it yet, but Idevoured the other ones in like
a day or two.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yes, so that's probably what I'm going to do
tonight.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
no, because I had it yesterday who cares, it's fine
it's great we're doing so good.
Yeah, we are um.
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
okay, so every single one of my clients told me about
this book and I am in themiddle of that book.
So so good, I was at target, Iwas checking out and there was
two of these on the end cap bylike this, like the lollipop
soda or whatever, and I was like, okay, so I brought one home
for me and my husband Aaron yeahand I was like let's have a
book club while I'm away inFlorida.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
It's a great idea, so I show up.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I stay at my mom's and she's like I, me and your
sister need to be in a book clubtoo.
So, like she ended up orderingmy sister the book, her the book
.
Nobody's read up besides me andmy husband, just for the record
.
But I love it.
But I also love that I didn'trealize, I guess, like the depth
of it, because when people aretalking about like, let them,
yeah, the other part is to letyou personally, let me so that's
(50:49):
where I'm at in the book rightnow is I'm like okay, let them
do them.
Yeah, you can't control them,which is a problem for me.
I feel like this is a callbackto the correct yeah don't you
love like a full circle moment?
Yes, so let them do whatthey're going to do, but also,
like I have, to be okay with it.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
And I have to be okay for me with my choices.
And I think that's like kind ofthe hardest part right now in
life, because as you get olderthere's just more things to let
go, right, right.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, so, like I love the book, it's good, and her
podcast is I haven't evenlistened to it yet, and I listen
.
I feel like they have a podcastspecifically on the book that I
haven't.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I'm waiting to get through okay, cool, yeah, yeah,
I'm super excited to finish itso good so good, um.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So what are you looking forward to this week?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
okay, so my um, my mom and her boyfriend and my
sister and her boyfriend and meand aaron are going to going to
Vegas to see Kenny Chesney atthe Sphere and celebrate her
birthday.
That's amazing, so I'm superexcited.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
That's a great thing to be looking forward to.
Yeah, I love that it's on thebucket list.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We go around and we see different concerts at
different venues and Red Rockswas, for sure, one of the top
venues.
Oh cool, I think that's amazing.
But oh, cool venues, um, butthe sphere is pretty new.
Yeah, it is, so that becamekind of on our bucket list.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
So I'm excited.
That's so fun.
Yeah, how about you?
Um, I'm really excited becauseI have a painter coming to my
house tomorrow and he's paintingthe stairwell.
That has been like the bane ofmy existence for three years
okay.
So I'm really it's like a verysteep thing and I'm like I can't
do it gotcha and I finally justdoesn't feel good, do it home.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, I love anything to do with home renovation
stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
I'm definitely.
It's definitely growing on me.
Yeah, because I like ripped outthe horrifying runners that
were on my stairs and.
I'm like this is a differenthouse yeah and every time
someone would come over I'm likeI'm sorry about the runners and
I was like these have to golike don't judge my runners yeah
, so that's awesome.
So thank you so much for beingon the podcast.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Thank you for having me this was awesome.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, thank you, it was great, and I don't really
know how to close this, so I wasjust I'm like great all right
bye.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
And anybody who's not alive bye too.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Oh my god do not come visit.
She said she's not, I'm notopen?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
okay, I might be, but we don't know all right, bye,
okay, we're actually done now.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Thanks for listening to my crunchy zen era.
Please subscribe and leave areview wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
This podcast is produced by me,nicole swisher, and my good
friends summer hardcup and lizcolder, editing is by drew
harrison media and recording isdone by lagos creative in
nashville, tennessee.
Thanks for hanging out.
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We'll be back next week.
You.
Welcome to my Crunchy Zen Era.
I am Nicole Swisher and todaymy guest is Brittany Otto.
Welcome, brittany, thank you.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
doing.
I'm awesome.
This is exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is so exciting, thank you.
So what's?
What is something crunchy orzen that you've done lately?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
okay, so this is something that I had to think
about.
I just did an Akashic reading awhat?
Akashic reading?
Okay, tell me more.
Okay, so my friend learned howto do Akashic readings where
it's basically like your spiritguides are kind of in your life
and they're like directing you,but you have like a library of
like all your previous lives andthere's somebody that's keeping
(00:46):
a record okay, so who's?
keeping the record.
Though you're like akashic,like your spirit guide, you have
like one specific person whokind of like, keeps all your
records.
Who's this?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
okay, step back totally, it's a lot what's a
spirit guide?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
okay, so like we have people that kind of in every
lifetime, come and kind of teachus lessons, okay, and kind of
walk through our life with ussort of like the gut, so like in
in, like, lord of the rings youget like I didn't see it, but
I'm gonna trust you on this inthe hero's journey, like as part
of, like a plot yeah arc.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, there's usually like the wise guide, correct,
and that's sort of.
But like in our lives, yeah,okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So like I was basically able to like ask like
okay, whoever my designatedspirit guide is, would like come
forward and like allow thislike organic crunchy right
Reading.
Okay, of like where my lifeneeds to take place in this
lifetime and like maybe somekarmic lessons I have to learn
from my previous.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, and what are you willing to share with us?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
about this.
So we moved from Florida.
Me and my husband moved fromFlorida last year and it was a
karmic lesson for us to beuncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So like we moved a very comfortable life, we moved
to Nashville and it's been likea lot, like we moved a lot, like
I've traveled for work a lotand like I had to be in this
place of like I'm notcomfortable to like learn karmic
lessons from my previous life.
It's a lot to unpack, likethere's so much in the reading
(02:18):
but like I'm into all of it.
Where do you go to get thereading?
So she went to my friend'shouse.
So there was like the three ofus sitting there, yeah, and my
girlfriend Leah is the one whodid the reading.
We went to my friend Stephanie'shouse and we sat there and she
just like basically has likeyour angels come around for you
and she just like gets messagesthrough her to talk about like
(02:39):
your life and like your purposewow and she told me my purpose
is what I'm doing, which is hair.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I I feel like that's accurate that summer and I were
talking on the way over, we'vegot some background guests here.
I love it summer.
Our amazing friend yes, yourhusband, aaron.
Um, we were talking on the wayover about, like the fact that
you have this job that's likehair, and you've just, I don't
know, like it's just exploded,like it's super cool, like when
(03:06):
I, 20 years ago, when I wasassisting, I never thought my
life would be where it is today.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, like traveling every month and like all my
clients hanging out with me fora year while I did this back and
forth like, and then building abook here in Nashville.
I didn't see that, yeah, youknow.
So it's really cool and you hadto get uncomfortable.
I had to get uncomfortable likethat which, for most people, is
like.
This is the thing.
If you would have seen last yearwhat it looked like like
(03:33):
selling a house, selling a salon, buying more houses, moving
five times you'd be like fivetimes, yeah, whoa, okay, I only
knew about like two, so we soldour place, yeah, and then that
was a salon house okay, and thenI moved into a salon and then
we moved into a rental is thisall in florida, okay?
And then from the rental wemoved into our first house in
nashville.
Yeah, then we bought a secondhouse in nashville and now we're
(03:56):
moving back into that rentalwhen we go back to florida, back
in are you moving?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
back to florida.
Yes, okay, I didn't know thatpart.
Yeah, so we're moving back toFlorida.
Yes, okay, I didn't know thatpart.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, so we're moving back this summer, wow, and then
we're trying to figure out ifwe're going to buy in Florida,
okay.
So it's been a lot of moving.
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Are you keeping the houses here and just having them
rented?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, first one, yes, okay, second one.
I don't know that answer.
Know that answer, but this ispart of like the cool.
Akashic reading was like I'mleaving it open, okay, I'm
trying not to control everythingthat's.
I think that's great, which isreally hard for me like I'm
super controlling type a like, Ilike a plan but like life isn't
a plan, right?
(04:38):
yeah, like, the things you seeis not always what happens,
right?
So, like, the more you kind oflike buck the system, the harder
your life is, and that was kindof part of the reading.
Yeah, like, be open to theunknown, still work hard, but
like don't get in your own way.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I mean, I think that's great advice.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I mean, I'm trying to take it myself.
Yeah, right, you know it's hard.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I feel like I I've, for the last year, had to
learn to be like.
I really like to be in controlas well.
Yeah, and that is just notwhat's going to happen for a
while.
And I keep telling my mom I'mlike I would just like this to
happen as I planned for it tohappen, and well, yeah, you went
through things that were notplanned right and you had to
(05:23):
roll with it.
Yeah, I also, like I recentlyheard somebody say like the
moment you're comfortable, yeah,like you should move on.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I think it's true.
I think we don't grow in thecomfortable.
I think we grow when we're likeforced to, almost sometimes,
yeah, and I think you get yourbest path and you learn the
lessons you're supposed to,because you have to learn your
lessons while you're here.
Yeah, if you're not learningthem, life's harder.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
You're just going to keep doingthem over and over again, you
do.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I try to tell my clients that, like when they're
behind, like I'm in the chairwith them, and they're like
listen, life is so hard and I'mlike but are you?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
listening.
Do you feel like you'resometimes like a therapist to
your clients?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Oh yeah, because I think I treat mine like a
therapist.
Yeah, totally, but like I thinkyou have to be to be successful
in the industry, like you haveto learn how to listen and talk,
give advice, but not take ithome with you.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Which is something I have a hard time with.
I think I'm very sensitive.
That's my biggest downfallBehind the chair.
Think I'm very sensitive.
That's my biggest downfallbehind the chair.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I'm very sensitive are you like an empath?
Yes, me too right.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So you like feel the energy, yes, and you're like I
want everyone to be okay, butsometimes it's okay for them not
to be yeah, that's like.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So I work hybrid right now, okay, and I've found
that, like, those two days athome are completely necessary.
I think so because otherwise,by the end of the week, I found
that like those two days at homeare completely necessary.
I think so because otherwise bythe end of the week I'm just
like super drained and I'vealways been like this.
I just thought it was like Idon't know, like the work itself
or whatever.
But I realize I'm like my momalways jokes that like people
(06:59):
tell me things and I'm like Iknow things I'm not supposed to
know for sure, like strangerswill tell you stuff and you're
like that's a great story, mary,but like I don't know you, I
don't know how to help youthrough this.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I wish the best for you in your journey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's just like my therapist was like think of it
as like a sieve of like emotionsand I'm like I wish I could say
, that helped me.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But I say that helped me, but I'm still like I don't
understand, yeah, so anyway,yeah, okay, next question so
that's my reading okay, okay, um.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So if you could go relive any memory you've had,
what would it be and why?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
okay, so I have two that pop up.
We saw Foo Fighters in GrantPark for our honeymoon in
Chicago in the pouring rain andthat was insane how long have
you been married?
Uh, 11 years this year, yeah,and it was very cool.
And then, um, I really wasobsessed with Harriet the spy
from Nickelodeon yeah, I was akid and I thought I was gonna be
(08:00):
a spy, so I used to spy on myneighbors when I was a kid,
growing up like binoculars.
Oh yeah, oh yeah like I thoughtI was like so cool and like so
suave and like nobody saw me,and my mom was always like,
yelling at me, like please, getback in the house but like I
loved it, the neighbors out.
It was weird, for sure.
But like I look back and I'mlike that was so much fun, yeah,
(08:21):
and I really believed I wasgonna be.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, you could be and we'd never know, right.
So Right, are you just coveringit up?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's a segue into yes , that's my other profession,
that's what we're really here totalk about yeah, for sure, so
that's probably one of the goodones, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I like that because I feel like, if you think back to
what you loved as a child andare you doing that now or not?
True, if you were doing morespying on the neighbors, would
you be happier in your?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
life.
Should I have been a PI?
Maybe Is it still out of mycards.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think that you and Summer could create a PI
business.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I'm very down.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Because when I need to know something about people,
I go to her.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I am so interested in everything.
So, yes, I want to know all thethings, so I could be an
assistant.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, why would you need tobe an assistant?
You could be a partner.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I need a little bit more probably training than just
what I knew from when I was 10,but I appreciate it okay well,
summer probably needs officialtraining too we do.
We need official training.
We're gonna get kicked out ofthe espionage school.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I think it could be like a rom-com though oh yeah,
it would definitely be a comedyyes yeah.
I like that.
Yeah, those are good memoriesum yes so, uh, what's an
unexpected talent, likesomething that you can do, that
you know and whatever think of,other than spying on people, I
feel like that's my unexpectedtalent, I don't even know, um.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, so I feel like my unexpected talent that I
would like love to actually useis I like doing like hair, of
course, but I like everything.
I like hair, makeup, outfit.
Like when I look at somebody Ican like see a vision.
You know what I mean.
Like it's kind of like when Iwatch music videos, like, or
when I when I listen to a song Isee a music video like I see
(10:18):
the whole thing like what itlooks like.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So I feel like maybe that so you could look at me and
be like Nicole, here's what youneed.
Yeah, I actually need that inmy life.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I feel like I would like love to go out with
somebody.
Be like okay, this outfit worksfor you.
Like, yeah, makeup hairstyle.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like yeah, I love it oh, that, I mean, that is a
talent.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Thanks, because I don't have that at all it's like
when you walk into a room andyou're like, oh, I can see the
potential here.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, like how to set it up?
Like we went into a lot of badhouses and I was like some of
them there's just no potential.
It's a bad layout, but some ofthem have potential.
Yeah, it's kind of like similar, like that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a talent, so like I
can go in and declutter andenjoy that okay but I can't
always see the potential yeah, Ilike to clutter you like to
clutter like I like things.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So yeah, so I'm the opposite of you.
I can declutter for you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's great.
I've been like on the fenceabout selling my house, okay,
and I I'm okay sharing that nowbecause I'm not planning to do
it okay, um, but I, when therealtor was coming through, I
was like I just I'm so excitedto declutter, yeah, and I'm like
I love it so much.
She was like I could pay youfor some of my clients.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And I was like I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
It causes me to de-stress and I really like it
To let go.
Yes, yeah, it's a talent, forsure.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
My house is very decluttered right now.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Because I just kept doing it even after I knew I
wasn't gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh, you did.
You're like well, I'm alreadygetting the ball rolling.
Yeah, for sure, so it's beengreat.
I love that.
Yeah, I need to do some of thatI can?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
maybe I can help you, thank you.
Thank you, yeah, you're likejust part and I'm like I cannot
yeah, so okay, the next part.
I have like these randomquestions, I know these have all
seemed random, but these areones I prepared a while ago and
I don't remember what they sayokay so it's even better okay,
um yeah, let's see what I've gothere.
All righty, last week I forgotmy bag over there and I was like
, oh okay, I just had to come upwith it are you a country or
(12:18):
city person?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I mean like obviously we live in Nashville right now,
so I feel like my heart isdrawn to a city, yeah, but like
I feel like Nashville is likecountry and city, right it turns
quickly into country.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I feel like yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
So I feel like it's like the best of both worlds,
yeah, but I mean, like I love togo to like a cabin for a couple
of days and go to a mountain,but then I'm a little bored and
then I like to be in a citywhere I have a lot of like
options.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yes, I'm the same way , and.
I've been like struggling withthat because I'm like I need to
own something in the city, okay,and then I need to own
something in the country, yeah,but like think I just chill out
when you're over stimulated here, exactly, yeah, yeah, because
remember we were talking aboutwe love Brentwood, yes, they've
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got like, but do we because it'sa little spooky, yeah, and so
it's like when I go there toomuch for work, yeah, it's like
I'm I'm just like overstimulated, there's like so much going on
there, yeah, and then I's likewhen I go there, too much for
work.
Yeah, it's like I'm just likeover stimulated.
There's like so much going onthere, yeah, and then I just
want to like go to like a randomcabin, which I have done, yeah,
and in Alabama, and just nowi-fi.
No, nothing, just me and my dog.
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Yeah, and I was like I'm socalm, but I couldn't be here
more than a week wait, but likeyour story of you just going
away yeah like your little ghoststory was that in?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
a cabin in the middle of nowhere.
No, that was in the middle ofLittle Rock okay, because that
was very scary and that wouldmake me not ever want to go.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay, but there is a story at the Alabama cabin oh
which I don't, it's not a ghoststory.
Okay because.
Oh, which I don't, it's not aghost story.
Okay, because it can't be.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So it's like this cabin, it was like on a creek
and it was like nothing around.
Really it was like me and thedog and the dog's like mostly
deaf by this point, right, and Iwas like it was after dark and
suddenly I heard these likescratchy noises all over the
room.
No, and like it went on and on.
I was like okay, like I have tolet the dog out, and luckily it
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was like so deserted, I justlike let him out and he would
like come back and it was fine,okay.
But when I would let him out,I'd be like is something gonna
like jump down?
on me, oh yeah and it happenedboth nights.
I was there but I concludedlike it had to be like a raccoon
or a bat.
But the reason I I'm like it'snot a ghost story.
My brain went to aliens, oh so.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, that's not that far fetched, I mean, if you
believe in aliens.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I do believe in aliens.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I mean, they might have talents.
Yeah, so I feel like it was abat or a raccoon, but I
definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Googled like what is anama?
That might climb on a roofbecause we needed to know.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's that like organized self of you that
you're like.
I just need to know so I canlike put it in my brain yeah,
but it's nothing, it's not right, it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I like to do that too , but I I sometimes feel like in
this, even after, like I leftlittle rock with that whole
story which I can share.
But like I kind of feel, like Ilike being a little scared, oh
because then I leave and I feelmore confident, oh, like I took
care of myself.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Okay, so like, maybe this is one of your lessons tell
me more, be more likecomfortable in this, like kind
of a fear yeah, I could you knowwhat I mean.
Like, yes, I hate it.
Like if you jump, scare me, I'mnever talking to you again okay
, I'm not doing, I'm not herefor that, like I am not a person
who likes to be scared, I don'twant to be like, do not do that
to me, because I'm like whywould you do that?
I'm so nice to you, yeah, whywould you put me in pain?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
so, but maybe for you that's, you're uncomfortable
maybe it is like I, I'm goodyou've been in these situations
now a few times and it's withinthe last like few months.
Yeah, but like I think, likethe alabama cabin, I was like
cool with that because I wasjust like the likelihood of this
being something dangerous islike fine, okay, you know, like
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it's unlikely, and I got the dog, even though he's deaf, like
right, he's still going outthere all happy.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well then, he's not jump scaring you, no.
So that's kind of good, right,yeah, but like so the little
rock story, which is not good,which I love that one's freaky
and I really like the airbnb.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It was like in well, I'm not gonna say specifically
what area just in case I got mylittle rock visitor right like
listeners, um, but like all goodall week, yep, and then it had.
It was like an old old houseyep and it had like that attic
where you like pull down rightand that was like closed all
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week.
It freaked me out a little bitwhen I first got there, but I
was like you're fine that's thespirit I'm okay with, but every
horror movie has that, just sowe.
I know, but I don't watch horrormovies, because I don't want to
know these things you mightneed to next time.
No, but like I searched thewhole house as one does, and
then the last night I took thedog out, yep, and I came back in
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and I checked the locks, I madesure it was all locked up and I
go to bed, and like the atticwas creaked open just a little
bit and I was like it's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
But it wasn't when you first looked.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
No, it wasn't when I first looked, but I figured it
was like airflow somethingwhatever I was like I'm not
touching that thing, which Idon't know why.
I didn't just close it, but Ijust was like I can't touch that
in the dark.
So I like go into my bedroom, Ishut the door yeah, very tight
and I like go to sleep and Iwake up.
I think it was like 4 30.
I wake up and I like look, lookat the door and it looks like
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it's creaked open and someone'slooking at me.
No, but the dog is trazodoned upat this point because, because
he's got dementia and he can'tsleep and so he couldn't do
anything.
I was like, oh crap, the dogcan't protect me, yeah, um, and
I quickly flip on the light andthere's nobody there and I'm
like well, I'm not leaving thisroom.
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So finally, at 6 30 I like getup and I open the door and the
attic is creaked open even moreand I go to the back door and it
is unlocked and I just like Ibasically just was like in like
I just got to get out of heremode, but very like calm about
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it totally.
So I just started packing upand like when we were in the car
I was like nothing happened,nothing happened.
And then 24 hours later I toldmy roommate what happened.
He was are you kidding me?
And I was like he's like youknow, someone was in that house
and I was like no one was in thehouse.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And he's like but the door was locked.
Is your gut saying it was aperson that's living amongst us,
or is it a person who used tobe living amongst us?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I don't know, I have goosebumps and I don't know I
have goosebumps and I don't know.
I feel like you do know, Ithink it was a ghost.
Yeah, totally so creepy, and Ilike definitely did what my mom
always told me to do.
I'd be like in the name ofJesus Christ leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh, absolutely, that's the least you could do
right now.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Absolutely.
It was horrifying and like,like I had such a great week
there and then I'm like I can'tgo back to that Airbnb.
So wait, how many days were youthere total?
I mean, I got in on a Saturdayand I left on a Saturday morning
, so nothing happened till thelast.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Nothing happened to the last day and it was weird it
was weird maybe your ghost waslike over your stay maybe and
was like please check out now.
That might have been what itwas okay, so like I have.
I have people that have passedon that do come talk to me.
It freaks out everybody, I know.
I mean I'm thoroughly freakedout and I sleep with the tv on
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every night yes, because it'slike a white noise and it kind
of keeps things away.
How does your husband feelabout this?
He hated it.
When we first started livingtogether he was like I cannot
sleep with the TV.
Now I feel like he kind of gets.
Why?
So?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But I've had, like I had a customer of mine and her
and her daughter used to comeinto me and her mom passed away.
So, the night before hermemorial the next day she kind
of came to me and her mom passedaway.
So the night before hermemorial the next day she kind
of came to me and they're alwayscreepy in the corner of the
room.
Why you do this?
Wait okay.
So like, do you see them?
It's weird.
It's like sometimes like I canfeel them.
Okay, I can't always like seethem, like how I'm seeing you
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but.
I can like feel them, liketheir energy, like wakes me up.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I've just got so many goose bumps and there's no,
there's no talking.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's, it's literally like a communication, like maybe
telepathy, I don't know, butit's like she said, or I sensed
the word yellow and that was it.
There was nothing else to sayand I didn't know what that
meant.
So the next day I show up tothe memorial and everybody's
wearing yellow no so I tell herdaughter who's my client.
I'm like, okay, this is so crazy.
But your mom came to see melast night and she goes what?
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And I go.
And she told me yellow.
And I don't know what thatmeans.
She goes, it's her favoritecolor.
That's why we're all wearingyellow today.
Oh my gosh.
I just got chills too, but thatwas like there's been so many
like people who have passedwho've tried to talk to me and
it's like they just basicallywant me to say like I'm okay In
a sense, Like I know people arethinking about me, but it still
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scares the shit out of me.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I'm not okay.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Nobody's like mean or aggressive and I honestly will
be like, can you please just goaway now Like I'm freaked out by
it.
But if the TV is off, somebodywill come talk to me.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I can't Okay Again.
Somebody will come talk to me.
Oh my gosh, I can't okay again.
Since I was a kid, since youwere a kid like I, had to start
sleeping with a tv on when I wasa kid.
Oh, my god, my parents had toput a tv in my room because I
was like I just can't sleep.
That's so crazy, but I thinkwe're all capable of this.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I don't want to be capable of this right.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, it only really happens, if you're like open.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm not open, so the more curious you get.
Be careful because I'm curious,but I'm always like no, no, you
know like I dip my toe in andI'm like I'm telling the
universe, I'm not curious, Idon't want no you're like no
thanks no, thank you and like no, yeah, I um my dog passed away
a couple weeks ago.
Oh, I'm sorry and I that's howwe connected was our old little
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grumpies, our little deaf babiesvery deaf and like the first
week was horrible, of course.
And then, like now, I just feellike good and I'm like, well,
maybe he's still kind of hereand like okay.
So I always tease my parentslike they, they kept all the
ashes of their dogs, so does mymom, it's in just like the
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cupboards.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, no, it's like up on the bookshelf, like here's
our book and here's you know,maxie in trouble.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So currently he is on my bookshelf, correct?
And I was like, if I do sell myhouse, like is he just chilling
, maybe On the bookshelf, maybe,and then Maybe this comes with
the house, I like accidentallymade a shrine for him, wait wait
Accidentally.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
How does that happen?
It just kept building.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Wait, I love that An accidental shrine.
It like Okay, so I have apainting of him.
That I did a few years ago.
I went to like a paint and winething with my friend.
Okay, so it started with that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm like actually tearing up about your shrine
okay, and then it, oh no.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get through it
no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I feel every emotion for you right now.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
See empath I've realized through this whole
thing I have a really dark senseof humor.
They didn't know that it'shelpful, no it.
Then they gave me like a littlepaw print, oh yeah, and then,
and then he was returned, and sohe's in a little box, and then
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each of the vets sent me cards.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And then I added his bow tie wow, this thing just
spread man yeah, um, so that'swhere we're at I feel like the
shrine must go with you too.
I'm sorry, like you cannotleave this behind.
I mean, I wish I could say thisis weird, but like my mom also
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has a shrine of all of her andthe picture frames up around the
house, she actually has moredog pictures in her house than
her children.
I mean, I don't have children,so I definitely have more.
Well, wait so our pets get sentto us when we're not able to
have children at that point inour, like our life so like yeah,
your animal picked you hedefinitely did.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
He was supposed to be an emotional support dog and I
became an emotional support,human, correct, same, he's very.
He was very anxious, yeah, buthe was like really special, very
special.
Yeah, his dog walkers would alllike send me little things,
being like I just feel so muchbetter after spending time with
Caffrey and I was like, well,you should be paying me.
(24:59):
Yeah, okay, and his one dogwalker, ed, from years and years
ago in Minneapolis he liketexted every year on Caffrey's
birthday oh my gosh like happybirthday to my special friend.
He was my last great memory inminneapolis um okay, our, our
dogs are.
We're very different oh really,what's your dog like?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
because you have great memories.
Ours is like he's special.
Oh no, as in tough okay he's, Imean kaffrey was tough in other
like he had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
He had a hate list, got it trucks, little children,
rollerbladers, people onscooters in nashville oh, our
list would be better to say whathe did like, because it's much
smaller so different, but okay,okay, yeah, I mean this is a
long list.
But yeah, he also didn't like acouple of my ex-boyfriends and
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I think he was like a prettygood judging character in that
yeah, because I was like smartyeah I'm not gonna say who it
was, but they know, you know weall know anyway, dog shrine, dog
shrine, it's shrine, it's good.
Okay, I want to move on totalking about your job a little
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bit.
Okay, I had some other randomthoughts, but we'll leave that.
What do you do?
I feel like we jumped right in.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We know it's hair related, so I'm a hairstylist.
I've been doing this for 20years.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I used to take all my Barbies and cut off all their
hair and then put them in thetrash and, like, put tissues
over the hair so like my momwouldn't know she's like but
your Barbies has no hair now.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's not grown back, so I like always loved hair.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, like when I watch a movie, like I am just
like, okay, is that a wig, isthat extensions?
Like what kind of color is that?
Like I love hair yeah.
And I've gone through a coupletimes in like my career, where I
was like, is this what I shouldbe doing?
Like I've questioned myself forsure, Because it's a hard job.
How is it hard?
You're basically like, like Ihave you know, before we left
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for Florida, I had 123 full timeclients and so I feel like I
had 123 mini bosses where, likeevery time they come in, I got
to do the best job.
It's not like you can just likedo a great job in the morning
and kind of coast for theafternoon, like every person
right, like every person is likea job and you should do your
best job.
So it feels like there's it'sexhausting at the end of the day
(27:29):
because people tell me heavystuff and people tell me good
stuff.
So like sometimes I leave and Ineed to just like like I'm a,
I'm a cancer crab, like I'm aJuly birthday, so like I like to
go back into my shell.
Sometimes I'm like, okay, thatwas too much and now I need to
go retreat, um, and thensometimes I'm like an extrovert
and I'm like I want to talk andI want to know your story.
You know what I mean but itdepends kind of like how my day
(27:51):
goes interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, how do you like ?
How do you like unwind thatwhen you get home?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
um, I like to just kind of sit like by myself, like
not really like listening orwatching tv or reading.
I just like to like kind ofzone out, it kind of helps me,
like reconnect, if that makessense.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Like yeah, I'm really curious about that because,
like, that's been a challengefor me okay, okay.
It's like getting home and thenit's like, how do you, how do
you turn your work brain off?
For me it's like a lawyer orwhatever, and I found it's like
going on a little walk orsomething For sure, yeah, I mean
like I think sitting outside isalways like the go-to.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Like we have an awesome backyard, so like if I
can just sit out there with thedogs and like let them do their
thing, and like knock it onsocial media.
And yeah, because it's likesocial media is not even making
us happy anymore.
I think it's just like we'rejust naturally scrolling to do
something yeah it's like a, it'sa pastime, yeah, so it's like
I'm not ever watching something,being like oh my god, this
looks so amazing, or like theydid such a great job.
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So for me I I even tell, like myhusband, I like I think
sometimes it's like nice todisconnect, because, like when
it brings you joy, you should dothose things.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
But if it's not really bringing you joy, maybe
it's time to just kind of like,do something else.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And sitting for 30 minutes with no phone, no TV is
very, very hard.
I'm a 37 year old adult.
It's super hard.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was why, like going to that
cabin, I looked for like noWi-Fi.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
But it's also like that's boring, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You need to be bored.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I know, but we're so used to being overly stimulated
that for me, with my job, I needthat like underwhelming moment
you know to like just kind ofchill.
Do you ever have a client?
Do you ever fire a client?
I have.
I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate confrontation.
Um, I kind of just blame me.
Okay, I think the easiest thingto do is I think I'm not giving
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you what you deserve in thislike appointment, and you're
paying for something you shouldbe happy, yeah.
So I kind of like put it on melike I wish I could help you,
but like, but like no one canretrospect, you're stressing me
the f**k out.
Yeah, and I don't look forwardto seeing you because I can't
make you happy, because it'sreally not even about your hair.
Yeah, that's like the therapistpart.
(30:05):
Yes, so that's why my job islike you know, you're like
riding a little bit of a rollercoaster with it, because you
just never know like, are youcoming in happy today?
Yeah, like if you ask me for ablonde pixie, I'm gonna say are
we going through something?
because you've never asked forthat before right, yes, so like
trying to read people is part ofit, I think you know.
(30:26):
So that's why I feel exhaustedsometimes at the end of the day
is it?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I mean, how do you?
I mean, I'm sure you have someway of like documenting all
these things, but I've alwayswondered, like when I go to get
my hair done I'm like, yeah,they remember me.
Like sometimes they'll rememberlike my dog.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think hairdressers are just like a cool breed of
people yeah because it's likewhen you love what you do, like
I don't feel like it.
There's no work involved inthat aspect.
Like I'm connecting'mconnecting to you, you're coming
in and spending your time andmoney with me.
Like I'm connected to you fordoing that.
You know what I mean.
So, like I know your story, youknow.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And like what personality traits do you think
someone needs to have to like behairstylist?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I know a lot of introverted hairstylists that
struggle.
I could see that.
So I feel like you kind of haveto be a little bit of both.
The biggest thing is you haveto read a room Like you have to
know when it's like time tolisten and time to talk, because
some people are very nervoussitting in front of a mirror.
I could see that.
It's like something I didn'treally realize when I first
(31:30):
started doing hair, but you'llnotice like if you look at
somebody in yeah and so like,maybe you carry the conversation
a little bit more that day, anddo you ever have.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
So there have been times where I'm like I just
don't want to talk for sure, andI love that, so I'll go off
your energy I've always wonderedif that's like annoying to the
hairstyles like that's part ofreading the room.
Okay, I like the current thelady I currently have because
like one time we were liketalking and then the next time I
was just like really tired.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I just like sat there and she just did her thing.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, like I think, the beginning of an appointment.
It's nice to talk.
And then I'm going to feed off.
You Like, if you're talking andengaging with me, I'm going to
keep engaging you.
But if you're kind of like justchilling or maybe you want to
just like read your book likeyou should, it's your
appointment time.
I've always wondered.
But I, um, I've always wondered.
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But I will say 99% of myclientele, yeah, we're talkers,
are they?
yeah, we like to talk, we liketo catch up, I've also known
them for so many years, so we,like, know everything about each
other there was like one lady Iabsolutely loved and I would
look forward to like talking toher each time, for sure, she had
a very like calming energy,yeah, and so it was like it was
just kind of nice to catch up,yeah, but but sometimes you just
like are kind of having a dayand you're like I don't want to
(32:44):
do this, yeah, so how did you gofrom?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
you said you started as an assistant, for sure, and
then now you run your ownbusiness, where you're flying
back to Florida.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I know so weird do people's hair like how do you?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
get there, and so when you, and also when you move
to florida, are you gonna flyback to nashville?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I don't know okay, I don't know that answer.
I feel like I think it's beenvery difficult for me to be in
two places.
I I like to feel settled and Ithink being in two places has
been kind of tough for me.
It it's a learning, but I thinkfor me, I think, focusing on
Florida, with my clientele makessense for this part of my life.
(33:27):
I have really wonderful peoplethat I've been doing their hair
in Nashville, but I don't feelthe same connection here.
I feel like I've loved being atthe salon.
I've met the really mostamazing girls, have just been
helpful and there for me but, Idon't feel like that's my
journey, if that makes sense,like it's not like a against
anybody thing.
I just feel like my journey isin Florida yeah and I can't
(33:48):
explain it because my journeywas here last year yeah but
that's being open, you know.
So I don't know.
I feel like maybe it's good tojust focus on Florida and see
what happens here.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So when did you decide to likestart your own business?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh, I think I've been working for myself for like 15,
14 years.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Is it hard to start your own as a?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think you get pushed into it in our industry,
like I feel like you're workingso much and you're making money
for like your boss that you'rejust kind of like hey, can I
kind of make more money for meright now?
And so you start to go wait,I'm capable of running my own
show and I was already doing thebooking and the educational
stuff and I had a wonderfulmentor and when I told her I was
like I think I'm ready to go onmy own.
She's like yeah, you are.
And I'm like, oh, she's like,but I was waiting for you to say
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something interesting yeah,she's always been like her
name's Jill.
She's really cool and she's beenlike kind of like my spiritual,
like guru.
She's been like my mentor inthe hair world and she's kind of
like every time, like I saidI'm gonna go buy my own salon,
she's like you should.
Did you have to buy it?
So yeah, so we bought is athree-story work-to-live
building oh and so the upstairsis where we lived, and then the
bottom floor.
I renovated it into a salon, athree-chair boutique oh cool,
(35:03):
yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
So like I had that for six years, did you?
I mean, did you like it?
The convenience?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
of that.
I loved it, and then I startedto feel like I missed the
separation of work and home.
Gotcha but.
I loved it and it was duringcovid time okay so like it was
very different than being inlike a big salon with people
like I kind of could just keepmy stuff how I needed it to be
yeah because, like everythingwas very specific on how to run
a salon, right, so, like I lovedit, yeah and so do you do what
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exactly like.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Are you specialized in something?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
no, I do everything, but I love and I do a lot of
extensions which I'm so curiousabout extensions.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I love them because, like they changed my life, do
you have?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
yes, my hair is like that long, like my hair is thin,
it just doesn't grow, it's justboring.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I always like, so I see women with this beautiful
hair and I never thought.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And then I was like why?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
is my hair not like that?
And then someone hold a curl?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
yes, yeah, my hair doesn't hold a curl.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
My extensions do okay , is it healthy or unhealthy for
your hair?
It just kind of is.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think some people are not candidates for
extensions, for sure, butthere's so many different types
of extensions that like if yougo to somebody who does this
often and you just start honestwith them and be like listen, I
want to add either length orvolume, yeah, they should be
educated well enough to sayyou're a candidate for a weft or
a k-tip or whatever type ofinstallation.
I do everything because I alsowear everything in my head.
(36:29):
Like I can't get enough ofextensions.
So like I go to all the classes, yeah, and I did tape and
extensions and I did individualkeratin protein and now I do
wefts and I love them.
What, what is that?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
it's like it's a row of hair and then you put
individual keratin protein andnow I do wefts and I love them.
What, what is that?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
it's like it's a row of hair and then you put a row
of beads into your head and thenyou stitch the hair onto the
beads, stitch the hair on.
How long does that take to do?
I'm quick, like yeah.
I'm like very efficient, solike 30 minutes to put a row in.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Seriously, yeah, okay it takes me so long to get my
hair done well, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So that's one thing that my clients tell me is like
you're very quick, like I liketo talk, but I like to get like
if somebody's running fiveminutes late, they all look like
I'm gonna scold them.
I'm like sit down, but I alsorun a crazy book when I'm in
Florida, like if I'm there fornine days.
I work nine days and I workfrom seven to seven.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Where are you going back to your salon when you go?
So?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
we sold my salon.
So I'm at my girlfriend Erica'ssalon right now.
And I have a suite and she justlets me kind of like, do my
thing, come and go.
She keeps my room for me whenI'm not there.
She's awesome.
I've had a really good group ofhairstylists in my life,
community wise that I've justkind of always been like, yeah,
do your thing yeah which is niceyeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So you mentioned something about COVID and like
stress on hair, yeah, and Ireally want to hear more about
that because I feel like I'mlosing hair everybody is
everybody is, I feel like eitheryou got the shot or you didn't
get the shot, it did not matteryeah like everybody went through
and I don't know if it was likestress induced or if it was
(38:05):
because of covid, I couldn'ttell you, but everybody has
dealt with some type of hairloss yeah um, also, everybody's
doing semi-glutide shots andthey're not eating how they on
it or taking the supplements forit so what is that like the
ozempic?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
oh okay, I was like just like yeah, and I was like
wait, I don't know between covidand then ozempic.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Like everybody has had some one of them.
So people are losing likeweight, but they're also losing
their hair.
So covid, I think really juststarted this ball rolling of
hair loss, like if you go onlinethere's a million type of like
hair supplements.
Now that didn't really exist 10years ago, people weren't
talking about it and we shouldhave always had them yeah, and
(38:48):
is that like regulated, becauseI feel like a lot of supplements
currently are not?
they are not, but likeneutrophil is like a really,
really great one.
I I love it personally, a lotof my clients are on neutrophil,
but it kind of is like rememberrogaine, yeah, okay.
So it's the same thing like ifyou use rogaine or neutrophil or
hers or any of these ones outthere, you stop using them, say
(39:08):
you take, you use it for like ayear.
It takes six months for yourhair to go back to what it
originally was before youstarted using it.
Okay.
So it's kind of things that youneed to stay on for life, which
is expensive yeah, so like isit okay?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
so if, what is it in the?
Is it like nutrition?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
we're just not getting correct, like a lot of
us.
Like, um, I love like the bvitamins and the collagen and
ashwagandha.
Like if you were to take allthose supplements separately
super expensive, yes, but likeif you take like a neutrophil.
They're kind of like set up forhow much you need per serving
right for yourself.
So we should all be on all thesethings that we're not we're not
(39:49):
really getting, because a lotof people are just not eating
enough like vegetables or fruitsor proteins to kind of make up
for that.
So I think that has a lot to dowith it too, but I think it's
like, definitely environmentalokay, because I feel like, so
like I never noticed the theshedding are you shedding a lot
not more than nor so.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Like the first time I got my hair, yeah, died in like
, because I didn't not reallyuntil like high, late high
school or early college, andthen it started and I was like,
okay, if I had known that wouldhappen.
And maybe it was just kind oflike a fluke timing or something
maybe, but it definitely.
I think it might be increasing.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
But I've also had a lot of stress so also we change,
like our hair changes everyseven years.
It does yes, so like as we grow.
Like our nose never stopsgrowing, our hair changes every
seven years.
Like there's weird littlethings about it.
So like if you look at somebodywho lives a pretty healthy
lifestyle, regardless, theirhair's still gonna thin, still
(40:48):
gonna get gray, they're gonnalose pigmentation in their hair,
right, so you can do as much asyou can to prevent some of it,
but like it's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
It's just yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But in our age bracket I think we're seeing way
more thinning than I've everseen 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Like clients that are in their 30s.
I'm seeing personal too, LikeI'm seeing way more shedding,
way more thinning.
And that's why I think hairsupplements are really important
right now.
Okay, but also, like I broughtmy little yeah, let's see it,
okay so.
I'm obsessed with K18.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
K18.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
So this is about your molecular level of your hair.
So there's Olaplex out therethat rebuilds the bonds of our
hair and we break apart bonds inour hair when we brush, color
blow dry, just normal wear andtear.
This is on a molecular level,so it's way deeper and it works
in the first time and it onlytakes four minutes.
(41:41):
It's very very cool.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So like is it sorry, is it a supplement or something
you put on your hair?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
it's something you put topically on your hair.
Um, they do like shampoo andconditioner.
I'm telling everybody youshould be using something for
like this, like if you're havinghair issues yeah, use a k18.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
K18, and is it a particular brand or just this is
their?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
brand.
This is k18 is their brand okay, and they um, so this is like
your molecular mask, so this islike a leave-in product.
Um, olaplex is amazing and it'shuge, but that's a different
thing, like if you have reallybroken hair, from like bleaching
or frying of the flat iron thatrepairs your bonds of your hair
.
This does deeper okay, yeah, soI'm, that's what I'm obsessed
(42:24):
with right now.
So if you had like onerecommendation, is that what it
would be I think so, like I'm abig component for like heat
protection for our hair.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Now, I was gonna ask you about that because I I try
not to blow dry my hair verymuch.
Yeah, I mean honestly likedoing anything to your hair yeah
causes damage or we've beenwalking around with dreadlocks,
right, yeah so, like heatprotection is my favorite
favorite product ever.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Like if you can only bring one product to like a
deserted island.
Bring heat protection okay,because it's like the sun and
brushing and all that stuff, butlike if you're having issues
with your hair, look into likeyour k1818s, your Olaplexes.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Interesting.
Yeah, I love them.
I never thought about the sunon your hair.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I'm always like every summer.
I'm like I like how my hairjust like lightens up in the sun
, and now I'm like wait a second.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Well, majority of people are dying their hair over
the age of like 27, 28, right.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, so like when you have like fake color in your
hair, you got to protect it.
How many people like?
How many people do you thinkhave like extensions versus like
dyeing their hair and I mean ifyou're wearing extensions yeah
100%.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
You're dying your hair too.
Okay, that's a lot.
Majority of women, okay, aredying.
And extensions, yeah, um, solike 99 I hate to say 100, but
like 99 percent but um, yeah, Ithink most people are wearing
extensions now because of whatwe've been through and also like
social media has made everybodybe like oh, I don't have enough
(43:53):
hair.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I feel like that's really important to share
because it's especially womenright yeah, because like what
you're seeing, we all know whatwe're seeing is not like reality
.
But then sometimes I'm like,but like, how is it?
How do you look so good still?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
yeah, because they're sitting inside in air
conditioning and they've likeflipped their head over and then
flipped it back over, so it'sreally full yeah, right and, but
that's not realistic.
No, you know yeah so like Ialways tell people, like look at
a picture, put your thumb overtheir face.
Do you still like their hair ordo you just like their Botox?
(44:28):
You know what I mean?
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, like it's like easy tolook at, like a Jennifer Aniston
who like ages perfectly, uh huh, but like do you like her
haircut and color or do you justlike how she looks with it?
yeah right, yeah, so like Ialways do that interesting yeah,
I do.
I put the thumb over the faceand I'm like do you still like
it?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I still like your hair, it's great thanks, yeah,
okay, let me see what else.
I had for you okay, before Iforget um, okay, what's?
What would you say is like afailure that's occurred, like,
whether it's in your work lifeor just in general, that
actually turned out to be ablessing in your life.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So I mean I've had a lot of failures, right, like
when you own a business, there'slike so many things that you
could do in retrospect likebetter.
But I feel like my failureshave made me work harder, so
like maybe I didn't align myselfwith the best boundaries with
work.
Yeah, um, I'm learning that.
I think therapy is amazing lovetherapy yeah, I think everybody
(45:29):
should do therapy.
Um, so maybe like not creatingreally good boundaries.
When I first kind of got my ownbusiness going like I would
answer my phone at any time ofthe day and I would stress out
about it, and now I'm like it'sokay if on a Sunday maybe I just
don't have my phone.
Yeah, you know, and likehonestly, if somebody's like
having an issue or like anextension got pulled out or
(45:50):
whatever, I can absolutely sayto them hey, I totally like
understand that this is kind ofa problem for you.
Tomorrow I will take care of itand I'll talk to you about it.
And honestly, everybody in mybook's like okay, cool, yeah,
but that was an issue I think inthe beginning was boundaries.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Like worrying if you set them, it's like, oh, I'm
going to lose somebody.
Yeah, because you're scared,yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
But like living in fear with that doesn't work for
us, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Okay, I'm going to move us on.
What are you obsessing overlately, other than the k18?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
because, okay, that's clearly so like I love my k18 I
also am obsessed with the lipstain liners that people are
doing?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
are you wearing it?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
yes, okay, okay.
So this is awesome because,right, I talk so much that I
wear everything out.
So like you put this on andit's a liquid and it's a stain
and it dries, and then you peelit off and it lasts for like 12
hours.
You peel it off, yeah, likeit's so cool, like it literally
just looks like a stain and itdoesn't dry out your lips or
anything.
It's the coolest thing ever, soI'm kind of obsessed with this.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
What brand is that?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Amazon.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Amazon?
I don't even know.
Like I just like liner stainand it's like big on instagram
right now, so that's kind ofsomething I love, and also ed
the zebra I'm obsessed with edthe zebra, like it's my story.
Yeah, where was he in uhrutherford?
Yeah, yeah oh ed we love ed.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I mean, how he got picked up and brought back was
like that's iconic right there.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yes, who even thinks of doing like they knew to do
that?
I know Somebody has done thisbefore.
Correct, absolutely.
Which we need to see more oflike where has this been done
before Just?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
clips of that but it was like a daily thing.
I'm like did Ed get caught yet,or no?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
You know I loved it, we love Ed, so I'm obsessed with
.
I wrote it down so I would makesure I got it.
I've been ordering pizza.
Perfect, it's a I mean, it's apizza place in nashville that I
apparently had never heard of,okay, and they have this gluten,
gluten-free blanc pizza, oh,and I think you're gluten-free.
I'm gluten-free and it is sogood, and especially good with a
(47:54):
glass of red wine.
Nice to the point where I'mlike I think I have to delete my
door because that's like allyour, all your money, and I'm
like once a week now, it's sodelicious okay wait, are you
adhd at all?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
uh, not, maybe because I read this article
about people will eat the samethings because it's such a
comfort for people that are alittle bit like adhd according
to my therapist, I might have atiny dabble in adhd right.
I mean, is it?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
social media induced?
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I don't know but like I'll, I'll do the same thing.
I'll like the same thing overand over again and then all of a
sudden, I'm like repulsed by it.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yes, so I am that way , okay, yep yeah, also, if we're
talking about things I'mobsessed with on that, it's like
the protein balls from the newyork butcher in nashville like I
.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
I just can't oh, they're so good wait, where is
that?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
um, it's in green hills.
Oh okay, so delicious, allright, thank you, summer, for
introducing me so good, that'sawesome, um, but yeah, it's hard
to have them in the housebecause I just eat them there
yeah, I did have them, them forbreakfast, okay.
so this week's recommendationsum, mine, yes, is so this is the
(49:07):
final book in an electra, soelectra mcdonald this is like
the fifth book, cool, and it'sby ashley weaver.
I just randomly found thisseries at the library and it's
so good because it's got likethis strong female character.
It's a mystery and I can'tfigure out the end, which is
unusual for me, okay, and she'slike an antihero, which I love
(49:30):
yeah.
Like.
That's why I like.
White Collar is one of myfavorite shows Very cool.
But yeah, so this is the lastbook in the series and I'm going
to actually have Ashley Weaveron in a few weeks.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Is she local?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
She's not local.
I think she's in like Louisianaor Texas.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Oh cool.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, so super excited Awesome.
I haven't read it yet, but Idevoured the other ones in like
a day or two.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yes, so that's probably what I'm going to do
tonight.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
no, because I had it yesterday who cares, it's fine
it's great we're doing so good.
Yeah, we are um.
What do you have?
Speaker 2 (50:08):
okay, so every single one of my clients told me about
this book and I am in themiddle of that book.
So so good, I was at target, Iwas checking out and there was
two of these on the end cap bylike this, like the lollipop
soda or whatever, and I was like, okay, so I brought one home
for me and my husband Aaron yeahand I was like let's have a
book club while I'm away inFlorida.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
It's a great idea, so I show up.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I stay at my mom's and she's like I, me and your
sister need to be in a book clubtoo.
So, like she ended up orderingmy sister the book, her the book
.
Nobody's read up besides me andmy husband, just for the record
.
But I love it.
But I also love that I didn'trealize, I guess, like the depth
of it, because when people aretalking about like, let them,
yeah, the other part is to letyou personally, let me so that's
(50:49):
where I'm at in the book rightnow is I'm like okay, let them
do them.
Yeah, you can't control them,which is a problem for me.
I feel like this is a callbackto the correct yeah don't you
love like a full circle moment?
Yes, so let them do whatthey're going to do, but also,
like I have, to be okay with it.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
And I have to be okay for me with my choices.
And I think that's like kind ofthe hardest part right now in
life, because as you get olderthere's just more things to let
go, right, right.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, so, like I love the book, it's good, and her
podcast is I haven't evenlistened to it yet, and I listen
.
I feel like they have a podcastspecifically on the book that I
haven't.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I'm waiting to get through okay, cool, yeah, yeah,
I'm super excited to finish itso good so good, um.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So what are you looking forward to this week?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
okay, so my um, my mom and her boyfriend and my
sister and her boyfriend and meand aaron are going to going to
Vegas to see Kenny Chesney atthe Sphere and celebrate her
birthday.
That's amazing, so I'm superexcited.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
That's a great thing to be looking forward to.
Yeah, I love that it's on thebucket list.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We go around and we see different concerts at
different venues and Red Rockswas, for sure, one of the top
venues.
Oh cool, I think that's amazing.
But oh, cool venues, um, butthe sphere is pretty new.
Yeah, it is, so that becamekind of on our bucket list.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
So I'm excited.
That's so fun.
Yeah, how about you?
Um, I'm really excited becauseI have a painter coming to my
house tomorrow and he's paintingthe stairwell.
That has been like the bane ofmy existence for three years
okay.
So I'm really it's like a verysteep thing and I'm like I can't
do it gotcha and I finally justdoesn't feel good, do it home.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, I love anything to do with home renovation
stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
I'm definitely.
It's definitely growing on me.
Yeah, because I like ripped outthe horrifying runners that
were on my stairs and.
I'm like this is a differenthouse yeah and every time
someone would come over I'm likeI'm sorry about the runners and
I was like these have to golike don't judge my runners yeah
, so that's awesome.
So thank you so much for beingon the podcast.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Thank you for having me this was awesome.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, thank you, it was great, and I don't really
know how to close this, so I wasjust I'm like great all right
bye.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
And anybody who's not alive bye too.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Oh my god do not come visit.
She said she's not, I'm notopen?
Speaker 2 (53:05):
okay, I might be, but we don't know all right, bye,
okay, we're actually done now.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Thanks for listening to my crunchy zen era.
Please subscribe and leave areview wherever you listen to
your podcasts.
This podcast is produced by me,nicole swisher, and my good
friends summer hardcup and lizcolder, editing is by drew
harrison media and recording isdone by lagos creative in
nashville, tennessee.
Thanks for hanging out.
(53:33):
We'll be back next week.
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