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• Proper grip fundamentals are often the quickest fix for improving ball striking
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the my golf source podcast.
Welcome to my golf source.
I'm Darren and I'm Noah.
Pga tour Championship in fullswing as we speak.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Pretty exciting stuff where they're playing, don't
you think?
Quail Hollow?
Right yeah, quail Hollow.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
And you have a backstory with that course.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I do indeed.
Let's hear it First of allhow's your week been?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm so excited to get into that, but let's.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Game on.
Yeah, so week's been good.
Lots going on around here.
Golf Garage is in full swingAgain.
It's one of those weird oneswhere weather's changing again.
We've got some rain in theforecast this week, or the temps
are not getting above 60, andpeople are coming in, especially
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
So we uh took one week off of simly because that
eight-week session ended.
Now we're beginning a new onetonight yes, and normally we
record this after simly tonightwe're recording it before yeah,
yeah, and we're doing.
We're trying a different format, yeah do you know what it is?
It's not a two-man sc, it'syeah, so we're.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
We're going to have multiple formats, so we're going
to do two man scramble.
We're going to do two man superdrive.
We're going to be doing fourball.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
So more of a one net, one gross, and we choose
potentially yeah, we choosewhoever has the best net and
whoever has the best gross.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, that's what we're doing tonight, right, I'm,
I'm, uh, I'm not gross, uh,yeah, so basically we're just
going to spread it all outthroughout the eight weeks and
do different formats in atwo-man so that way we can do
some head-to-head stuff againstother two-man teams, kind of get
to know everybody within it,versus playing just your normal
four person um, just playingwith your boys, which is super
fun too.
But if you go into yourtraditional league play at a

(02:11):
golf course, it's usually headto head.
So you're like you know you'rea four-man team, but two of you
are against two other people,and then your teammates might be
in the group behind you againstsomebody.
So just get to know guys.
I think it's a good way ofnetworking.
Um, you know, we're buildingrelationships at golf garage,
that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
So you know quill hollow PGA championship.
Um, very, very fortunate tomove across the country and be
the director of instruction atbeach, my country club in
Cleveland, ohio, for seven years.
Um, in that time I was around alot of good golf professionals.

(02:49):
Some of the best players in thecountry came out of our section
, the Northern Ohio Section PGA.
It's one of those where if youweren't shooting under par in
professional events, you weren'tmaking any money, and these are
on tour caliber golf courses.
It's a hidden gem, cleveland,ohio, especially the east side,

(03:09):
where you've got all coursesbetween 1899 and 1923 on the
private club side.
So you're dealing with superfast, super slopey greens.
Um, the ones that have beenrenovated are stretched out over
7,000 yards and they're par 71s, so that would be the
equivalent of almost a 7,300yard golf course here.
Um, you know a lot ofundulation, rolling Hills

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bunkering that you wouldn't evenimagine.
I mean.
Um, fairway bunkers are placedin the most strategic of areas
on the course and and they'rejust so well designed Stanley
Thompson was our coursearchitect that if you're into
that architecture you would knowhim.

(03:54):
But the short of it was I wasthere for a couple of years and
a new professional came in.
His name was Jason Hanson,always known in the area as a
good player, and Jason and I gotto know each other really well
because he became our firstassistant at Beachmont while I
was the director of instruction,and in that time, you know,

(04:14):
jason was just a powerhouse inour section.
He wasn't the longest hitter,but he just knew how to get the
ball in the hole and he wasreally always trying to find
that perfection.
And it was so cool watching himbecause he would always go down
to the driving range and hewould bring two clubs with him.
He would bring a driver and hewould bring a wedge that was

(04:39):
bent about six degrees upright.
It wasn't the wedge he wouldplay with either, so this was a
training aid wedge that he wouldutilize to try to make his
swing more vertical and to feelcomfortable with.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And then over-exaggerated it to force him
into the right 100% right.
So when we talk about tricksand tips, it's all about
over-exaggerating the oppositein order to get to the neutral
or find that impact positionright, and you do that in
training and not on the course,like when I try to correct a

(05:13):
slice and I over correct and I'mpulling yeah, without question.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So you're, you're training on the range, so to
speak, or in the simulator bay,and you're trying to get the
comfort level that you can haveto take it to the course.
So that way when you take it tothe course in those practice
rounds, you're able to then tryit in tournament play right, or
when it counts are underpressure, so to speak.
So, getting back into where youknow, I was lucky enough to

(05:42):
stand behind Jason on the rangequite a few times.
He would always want videotaken or opinions on things.
We taught golf in the officeand it was just a really, really
fun, fun guy to hang out with.
And I just remember one day onthe bottom of Beachmont we had a
chipping green kind of the leftside of the range and he wanted

(06:03):
to hit some balls uphill andI'll never kind of forget that I
noticed one little piece in hisswing with his footwork and I
mentioned it to him and you knowwe talked about it for a half
hour before he even hit anotherball and the next thing, you
know, he's just striping it andhe picked up some distance and
he hit the shot that he wantedto hit.

(06:23):
And so it's so strange whenyou're with a good player versus
your average new golfer, whereyou're really not rebuilding
anything or trying to recreate aswing right, they already have
their golf swing.
You're trying to find thosebasic fundamentals and the root
cause of the problem for thatgolfer.

(06:43):
That gives them what they want,because they know what they
want to see and when they see ityou can't be beat.
At that point some feel good,correct.
So you know I know that feelingas a player.
But jason's a true player,right, he?
Um went through some qualifyingand played in our section

(07:05):
championship and he finished inthe top three in our section
championship, which then tookhim to the national club pro, or
the PGA professionalchampionship as it's called now,
and he finished in the top 20in that event, actually had a
chance to win it.
And because he was in the top20 in that event, actually had a

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chance to win it.
And, uh, because he was in thetop 20 at the national event, he
made it to the PGA championshipat Quail Hollow.
So ultimately, you know we'reall just pumped for him, as we,
you know, see this happen.
I remember texting with him afew times during the tournament
to qualify for quail um, and youknow he gets back, you know,

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and obviously he's on cloud nine, but you, you know he's in,
he's in work mode, just thestandard club pro.
He's gotta.
He's gotta do his normal dailytasks.
But, uh, um, I'll never forgetwhen he's telling me the story
about how he you know how he wasplaying and just like where he
was at, and, um, you know, andat the end of it, um, you know,

(08:14):
he kind of brings up.
He's like, well, you're goingto be there, right, and I'm like
what do you mean?
He's like you're going to cometo the PGA championship with me,
aren't you?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You're my coach, I'm just like come on.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I was like yeah, like that's all, if you, if you're
inviting me and I'm there, I'llmiss my anniversary, my kid's
birthday, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah, you don't there man.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So I didn't really know what that meant at the time
.
Um, but he's like here, I justgot some information, so you're
going to be my instructor at thepga championship and I
literally just I, I I didn'tknow what to say, right, I
wanted to just hug him.
I'm like, wow, this is so cool.
So I didn't you know.
Look, it was our first firsttime going down and, and you
know, like I said, I meanJason's a really good golfer and

(09:00):
we get to quail hollow is hiscaddy, brad, jason and myself,
and we get down there and tryingto get the lay of the land.
There's nothing you can do toprepare for that for your first
time.
So, ultimately, we all hadexperience, but we're trying to
learn from what the tour playersare doing.

(09:21):
And Jason had his rhythm and hewas was going through stuff and
he just wasn't quite happy withhis driver and I remember him um
having one of the reps come out, put him on track man, which is
a launch monitor system I thinkmost people know what that is
at this point and he was justtrying to dial in his numbers
and he just spent hours andhours and hours and just starts

(09:44):
wrapping up and then all of asudden and he's the only one on
the range too so then all of asudden Bryson DeChambeau comes
up and hits like two down andyou know a few of the other guys
Rory, I think, saw on the rangeat that point too, and he
decides that you know what, I'mjust going to stay here and
we're going to, we're going tohang out for a few more minutes,
what I'm just going to stayhere and we're going to, we're

(10:05):
going to hang out for a few moreminutes.
So just really fun.
I mean, he had a ball or two.
You know he wasn't, he was justkind of enjoying the experience
, which was really cool.
Um, but you know you're thereon, you know, a Sunday or a
Monday to get ready to go playon.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Thursday.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
And so, you know, we, we get there, and then the the
next day I remember he stillwanted to work on that driver.
So I remember him sending meover to the tour truck.
You know one of theresponsibilities was just
whatever he needs, right, itdoesn't matter.
It's like, hey, you need awater, I'm there for you.
So go into the tour truck.
And you know it was funnybecause At the time tiger woods

(10:42):
was on staff with TaylorMadeGolf.
So I go into this truck andthese guys are working like
crazy.
Tuesday is kind of the tweakday.
You're right, tuesday tweak day, trying to figure out what they
need.
And then Wednesday they'retrying to get comfortable with
it, and Thursday they go playwith it if they decide to.
So you know, I go in there andI'm kind of sheepish because I

(11:02):
didn't know how to handle thoseguys at the time.
I knew a few of them.
But I'm just like, hey, youknow, my guy needs this and okay
, yeah, uh, it's going to be alittle bit.
We're in the middle of this.
And then I sit in there, youknow, just waiting for it, and
then we kind of talk a littlebit more.
I'm like, yeah, what do youguys?
You know, for T, for T dub or Ican't even remember.

(11:23):
There was like a nickname theyeven use, but it was something
like that and I was like oh, uh,oh, for tiger, yep, yep, yep,
he's wanting these and I'm likenice, so they, let me look at
them and I mean it was just sucha cool experience to be in
there and you know, we get backand we get Jason stuff dialed in
and, um, um, I would just saythat, golf course, you know if

(11:46):
we, if we switch for a secondhere into the course, is one of
the biggest golf courses I'veever seen.
So, like, what does big mean?
Right, we always talk aboutaugusta being a big golf course
and and whatnot, but quail isjust like huge drop-offs and
slopes everywhere like walksbetween between tee boxes,
between greens and tee boxes.

(12:06):
I mean it's a long walk.
It's a really long walk, right.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Because the average 18-hole course is what about a
five-mile walk?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, five, six miles , right, and they're going
another three at Quail.
But it's not even about thelength that you're walking, it's
about if you miss it in thewrong spot.
Spot, your ball goes 50 yardssomewhere you don't want it to
and the rough is not likeanything.
There's a special rough therethat if it grows above three
inches, your ball goes down init and you don't see it, you

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don't see it.
So jason has the shot on a parthree.
He misses the green by threefeet, but he's in the rough and
his ball is four inches down andhe's chipping at 10 feet.
So he had to learn how to chipa new shot, essentially Like it
was insane to me the style ofgrass and how difficult that

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course is If you don't hit itexactly where you want to and
long.
So when you're looking at who'sgoing to win this week, you're
looking for the bombers, right.
You're looking for Bryson.
You're looking for bryson.
You're looking for rory, you'relooking for, you know, maybe jt
, if he's on, because he knowshow to win there.
He hits it straight, butstraight and long.
That's what's going to win thisweek.
They can all putt.

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And the other thing is the parfives are gettable, but nothing
else is really gettable.
When you look at birdies andit's true, it's just like the
whole locations are insane, um,that they put them in and
there's these ridges that the tvdoesn't do justice to that,
because the greens are so fast.
You have to play so much morebreak and have to be so precise

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with your putter if you're notin the exact spot that you're
going to three putt most likely,or have a 10 to 15 footer left
and with the hole placement.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
If you miss the hole, you have nothing less than a 13
foot putt.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, exactly.
So 10 to 15 feet for sure.
And if you're chipping there'snot a lot of places to chip from
because the way the collectionareas work and the way the rough
is so deep around the greensyou've got to hit greens
regulation.
And the greens are fairly big.
I mean it's not like they'resmall, it's just there's so much

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slopes to them that if you'renot on the proper shelf with
those weird ridges and spinesthat run through them, you know
it's almost like there's threesmall greens within one.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And you're not just reading one break, you're
reading two, maybe three breaks.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, without question.
Without question, I mean, it'sa super pure golf course.
So there's not really a reasonand that's why they're talking
about like.
These guys are chipping in likecrazy this week, more so than
we've seen in a while.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
They're getting aggressive because the greens
are tough to pot.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, they're starting to understand how to
play the golf course, I thinktoo, with it being the second
PGA in recent years there.
But what's really cool aboutthis golf course is you're in
North Carolina and it's humidand it rains this time of year,
but they have a system in placethat sucks the water out of the

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ground.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I've seen that the underground vacuum ventilation
system that dries out the greensYep.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
So ultimately, that system can make the greens back
to as fast as you want, withinlike a half an hour, that's nuts
.
So they won't use that systemduring play, because that would
be, you know, it wouldn't befair or equitable for every
player.
But if they do it ahead of time, it's pretty cool.

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It's called Subair and it'sjust an awesome, awesome system.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
So what's the deal with these experts who came in?
They were so confident aboutRory and Scheffler taking this
thing and Rory's tied for 94th.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, you know what's unique about this Right now.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
He's not easy.
I mean, I'm assuming he didn'tmake the cut today.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so just quickly on that.
What's unique about the golfcourse is it really does depend
on when you play it right.
They were in the morning.
I believe.
Rory was at like 820 in themorning and the leaders were
just out, so that might've beenan advantage today.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
So let's let's talk about that.
Courses obviously will changethroughout the day.
When it's cold in the morning,obviously, the conditions are
different.
There's dew, you know.
The courses are damp.
Whatever the case may be, theseare factors that have such
minimal effect on the pros, ordo they?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
No, they definitely do.
I think the difference is thepros can adapt faster than your
average golfer, right?
So I'm a college golf coach,right at a division two
university and these are up andcoming players.
We have the talent that I'd say.
Three of these players have theability to potentially be on

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tour sooner than the remainingright there's just that's the
talent level that they're at.
What I always try to talk tothem about is, by the third hole
they adapted.
Right, they adapted.
So if their swing wasn't thereor if there's something
happening where their carrynumbers are, you know they're.

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They're under clubbing for somereason.
Don't try to figure it out withthe swing, just know that it's
not going as far, right?
There's something so strangewith logical thinking.
People think they need to readinto more than what it really is
.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I left a putt short.
Three holes in a row.
Something wrong with my stroke.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
No, just hit it harder.
There's something wrong withyou.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, just hit it harder, right?
So the tour players are suchgood ball strikers that whoever
gets it in the hole the fasteston the green is going to win the
golf tournament.
That's it.
True, Because even you know, andthe other thing too.
I mean every tour player has alaunch monitor on the range with

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it's got so much data builtinto it that they can control
environments, Like they can puthumidity and plug that in.
Some of them even check it,right.
So, with that being said, theyknow how far the ball's going.
The altitude's plugged in,right, Right, I mean so when you
have something that's measuringthe ball with radar, it's

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watching the ball.
So if you use that unit.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
You can feel the wind , you can feel the temperature,
you can feel the humidity.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
By the end of the day .
If they're unsure, they're justgoing to pull their launch
monitor out and just check itbefore they go, and then they're
going to club off of that.
The rest of the way it's prettysimple.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
And if after three holes they're still coming up 10
yards short, they add one moreclub to everything they do Well,
and I think with a tour playerit might be pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I don't even think it's three holes.
I think it's within a hole ortwo, because they know their
game so well.
It's their living.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
That if something is, the swing feels good, they're
feeling good and something'schanged, they will make a change
.
They're not afraid to do thatand I think when you finally
understand what your swing'ssupposed to feel like, it's okay
to make a change when youfinally understand what your
swing's supposed to feel like,it's okay to make a change.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
So there's some changes that can take immediate
effect and there's others thatdon't.
A perfect example in the lastseveral days here, my son went
from not being able to hit adriver at all to pounding the
heck out of his driver rightdown the center of the fairway
in a matter of 10 minutes withone simple tip Correct.

(19:49):
How did you fix that?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, so Toby is such a good ball striker and I think
he knows it, but he's superyoung.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Right 13.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, I mean expectation management is key.
So I think I'm starting torealize how to teach Toby.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Right.
I mean, I think that's numberone.
It's kind of like less is morenumber one and I think that's
that's a good tip, I think, fora lot of golfers.
How much do you feed them, evenadults?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Absolutely.
Even you know less is alwaysmore.
And then you feed a little bitmore and a little bit more.
You just don't want to overfeed, because then you're screwed,
you've got to back up, yeah, andultimately with Toby, there was
a couple of things.
Number one the basicfundamental of the grip got
sloppy, right, right.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
I didn't know where his grip was before, but I know
that it was a change in in gripthat literally changed his
ability to hit the club Grip'sfunny.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Grip will allow the club face to be square.
Grip will control your turn.
It will allow you to turn yourbody or not, depending on how
you hold it.
So grip is super important.
But I'm okay with strong gripsor stronger grips.
I'm okay with neutral grips,right, I don't really teach a
weak grip.
There's not too many golfersout there with success with a

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weak grip, um but.
But ultimately everyone's alittle different and so by
testing and there's lots of waysto test we will find the right
grip for that player.
And so, toby, he's growing.
He is such a tough kid to teachright now because between 12

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and 17.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
His body mechanics are changing month over month
he's getting stronger.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
He's getting so much stronger, so it's making it
easier.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Stronger, taller, heavier.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So there's a lot of things that are happening that
are good right now for him and,ultimately, what?
What, besides the grip he wasjust aiming off?
So you had two basicfundamentals that were pre-swing
fundamentals that we modified,that I then had to just remind
him to make a golf swing fromthere, and it was instant.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yep, correction.
And then you watched mechipping out here on your
angulated green and you saidyour stance is so screwed up,
let's completely restart this,let's change it.
And I was actually getting tothe point to where I was
chipping pretty well with that,but you changed it.
And now I'm blading ballsacross the green, but it's

(22:27):
getting better with some work,but it's not a here do this and
it's an instant fix.
There's a lot of things in yourgolf swing, I think, that are
instant gratification grip.
Changing your grip, you know,and then completely changing
your stance in the way you'readdressing the ball is something

(22:48):
that takes a little while toget used to.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So I'm going to actually disagree with you on
the grip.
The grip is the hardest thingto learn Really, because it's
your proprioception, it's yourfeel.
You make one small change tothe grip, it changes everything.
So the that toby was able tomodify that quickly is actually

(23:10):
very impressive.
Maybe just the fact that he's13 and I'm 43 he probably
doesn't care he's just, and partof it too, is like I think
toby's a good listener.
When I ask him to do something,he doesn't question it, he just
kind of believes it.
The problem is he doesn'talways understand what it's
supposed to look like, becausehe's 13.
So he's not paying attention tothe detail of it.
So I think some of that is thatfor you, you've done it the

(23:31):
same way for a long time, andthe same way you've done it has
rarely worked.
It may never ever work.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yet you still do it the same way and maybe you
modify something here and thereand, to be completely honest, a
lot of the changes that I makework for a time and then they
don't work anymore and that'swhy we do them.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You hit a couple golf shots and they work right.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
And then I'm not even talking about a couple of golf
shots.
I'm talking about a period of acouple few months.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
yeah, I'm, I'm dead serious, but are you practicing
that same method as much as aplayer?
recreational, exactly right soyou might be able to like.
I've seen golfers thatliterally have some of the worst
fundamentals swing mechanicsout there and they can shoot

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some of the best scores becausethey know their golf swing.
They know how it feels.
They do it the same way everysingle time.
When you're searching forsomething or it doesn't go well,
that's when you get intotrouble, right, and usually it's
a mental thought that says oh,this doesn't feel the same way,
I'm just going to modify, andthen that modification doesn't
work and then it turns into fouror five other bad habits.

(24:46):
So what we did with you was wedefinitely changed how you were
delivering the club to the balland the way we did that was
through understanding low point.
And now the problem is you haveto be able to control low point
and because you are breakingdown your wrists and almost

(25:07):
flipping it every single shotyou hit right, it's a very
difficult concept to grasp,because now you can deliver the
club to the ball properly, yetyou still want to flip after.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
So here's what I noticed immediately.
Let's talk about my stance.
Before I was standing in frontof the ball, I was pointing my
toes at more than a 45-degreeangle between where the ball is
and where the hole is.
I was facing forward.
I almost had the handle of myclub pushed way in front of me

(25:45):
because I'm facing downrange,turned into a butter knife and I
was actually starting to get Iwas actually becoming
comfortable with the fact that Icould hit the shots in the
direction and the distance thatI wanted to hit them by doing
that.
That's what kind of forced meinto using and falling in love

(26:08):
with the 69 degree wedge,because by doing that, although
I was getting the distance inthe direction I wanted, I had no
control of spin and I washaving a really hard time
getting the ball to stop.
And the first shot that I hitwhen you changed my stance, as
uncomfortable as it felt, thefirst clean shot that I hit in
that stance, the ball checked upimmediately yeah, yeah, without
question.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I'm like, oh, now I get it.
Well, and what's funny aboutwhat you were doing was it was
so specific to the timing of howyou're going to use your hands
and your wrists in the golfswing.
You had to time it up soperfectly to try to even find
the club face when you were backin your stance open stance and

(26:54):
then where you were at, where itwas all hands right and the
leading edge at that pointwanted to be a knife, and so you
would have to flip, and thenyou would have to throw your
weight onto your back foot atthe same time.
Right, hang back and flip.
Right, you're the king of thescene, baby, you're flipper.
And at the end of the day, I'mlike number one.

(27:16):
Why are you open?
Do you know why you're open?
Right, and and and.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Then I kind of went into like just kept on moving
forward and forward and I waslike squares are okay Because I
was sick of chunking it yeahexactly, and there is some truth
to being able to have a veryopen stance for certain golfers
and doing it Like.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I've seen that and it'll work because you're On a
bump and run type shot.
Well, and even on a wedge,because you're trying to figure
out bounce, but the way you useyour hands, it's never going to
work for you.
It was actually adding salt inthe wound, if you will.
Okay, right, so now what wewere doing is trying to get you
square to square.
We're trying to get you moreclosed with your stance and get
you pretty square to the target.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And a much higher backswing, which is a very
unusual feeling for me.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Nobody understands that Like just because you make
a big backswing doesn't mean theball needs to go far.
You have 69 degrees of loft.
You have 56 degrees of loft.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
This is because I was using a 58.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
100% right.
But what will happen now is,because we did that, that ball
position got to a good placewhere the club is going to be
delivered in the right manner,and the ball will now hit the
face and run up the face andwhen it runs up the face it
turns into sandpaper to thissoft rubber ball, depending on
what kind of ball you're usingto talk about, correct?

(28:35):
and then that adds additionalrpms or backspin onto that ball
and it hits and it stops.
So there's two ways to stop aball.
Right loft well, descent angleright right.
So just because you have loftdoesn't mean you have yeah, I
mean it's.
It's kind of one of those.
What do I need optimally to getthe ball to stop here on a firm
green versus a soft green?

(28:56):
So condition of the greenmatters a lot.
If it's a soft green, I don'twant to throw it in the air, I
want to keep it low and I don'twant to use a lot of loft.
Well, yeah, cause it's alreadygoing to hit and stop.
So if you're playing in theNorthwest, north of us,
especially in the wintertime,you better figure out what wedge
you're going to use into agreen, cause otherwise it's

(29:17):
going to hit and stop with allthe rain they get up there,
right, doesn't matter what ballyou play.
Um, you know your goal is totry to learn how.
You know how to figure out whattrajectory I need that day,
along with the spin.
I think it's sometimes harderto put spin on a golf ball and
that's why they make differentgolf balls Just help you with

(29:37):
that.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Right.
So speaking of golf balls andwe promised last week that we'd
be talking about golf ballstoday you know we feel like
there's for everything you gainby switching golf ball, you're
losing something.
For example, everybody knowsthe Pro V1, and then they came

(29:59):
out with the Pro V1X and youhave TaylorMade's TP5 and TP5X.
The Xs are going to give youmore distance.
They're a little bit harderfeel.
I can feel it when I hit them.
They definitely undisputablygive you more distance.
But when you go to the littlebit softer ball with the TP5 or

(30:23):
the Pro V1, you can feel thatsofter impact.
You're going to have morecontrol, you're going to see
your spin increase, but youmight lose a couple of yards
where I mean when it comes tofitting a golf ball to somebody,
which is almost as important asfitting a club, and I guess I

(30:45):
guess it.
You know it's somewhatdependent on the conditions of
the course you're playing aswell.
But where do you, how do youdecide, to sacrifice distance to
increase spin or sacrifice spinto get more distance?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
yeah, no, that's a great question and it's player
preference and what I mean byplayer preference.
We talked about this with DinoAntonucci from Titleist a few
weeks ago, where we talked aboutshaft and I said player
preference and he said it in hisown way.
But that's ideally what shaftis is you're trying to feel
something right.
So with a golf ball, I think itreally comes down to asking a

(31:23):
lot of questions to a player,and most players don't ever
think about their ball.
I'm going to play this becausethat's what the TV told me to
play, Right, Right.
So marketing has a big, bigemphasis on that and you know I
actually have what nine, twoball packs in front of me right
now, just so I look through it.

(31:44):
And you know you and I can talkmore about all of it.
At this point in time in themarketplace there are so many
good golf balls.
Everybody is making an amazinggolf ball to Callaway,
tailor-made uh Titleist here'sthe deal, though the golf ball
can only be so fast off of aclub face in order for it to be

(32:09):
illegal.
It's called the right.
So if a golf ball is flying toofast, it's deemed illegal and
it will not pass a cannon thatthey shoot these golf balls out
of at a rapid speed.
And there's somebody in thisbooth and it's a loud cannon.
Even the booth it's loud andthey're looking at numbers all

(32:31):
day just to see what spin ratesare doing and launches are doing
, and all that.
So what people don't realize isthis is just aerodynamics.
If you change the dimplepattern of a golf ball deeper,
shallower, um, hexagonal rightwhat about the finish from shiny
finish to a?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
you know?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
so that is just paint and that's what people have to
realize.
The golf balls are painted,yeah, but does that change?
The aerodynamics I don't thinkit changes it that much.
There's potential, but most ofthe time it's more about the
dimple pattern because and thenit's about what they use inside
the ball, like what kind ofrubber.
It's not just about a rubberright.

(33:12):
It's not a wound ball anymore.
It's not a with a rubber centercore right.
It's a multi-layered differentdensity of rubber it's exactly
right, and it's where do theyget it from Right.
So these guys are all searchingfor the best products in the
world at this point in time.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And does every golf ball have to be precisely the
exact same weight?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yes, so golf balls are designed that way, however.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
And a dimpled ball.
I watched a documentary on thismonths back.
They started adding dimples tothe ball because they have far
better aerodynamics and aperfectly smooth ball.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Correct.
So lift and drag rightAirplanes, that's the best thing
we can think about.
We need lift and we need somedrag in order to take off in an
airplane and keep it up in theair.
So what you're looking for withthe ball is lift and drag, but
we want spin right.
So ultimately, depending on thegolfer, they're going to need a

(34:11):
different category of ballPotentially.
Here's what I want to telleverybody.
First and foremost, I've spenta lot of time with Taylor made
only because I'm on the nationalfitting council.
So we talk a lot about golfball and I learned a lot, you
know and I and I think it goeshand in hand with every other
company, and I do want to saythis like every manufacturer
sells clubs and drivers theirgolf ball companies first, why?

(34:33):
Because a golf ball isexpensive.
An average golf ball costsprobably $5, 50 bucks a box for
premium golf balls.
right, you're somewhere in thatfour to $5 range for a premium
golf ball and you're going tolose it and after 11 rounds of
golf it goes bad or crackspotentially if you keep it that
long.
Right, so everybody wants to bea golf ball manufacturer, but

(34:54):
what I want to get to is we haveoptions.
We have two piece golf balls,three piece golf balls, four
piece golf balls, five, up tofive.
Right now I they've tried sixtoo, and what I wanted to kind
of talk about is like they usedto talk about compression and,
like dustin johnson and the tourplayers, right when he was on,
you know, taylor made like yougot to get to the core, to get

(35:16):
to maximize the ball.
Well, it's not like thatanymore.
They're so good with thescience of the ball that a
average golfer can play apremium ball and it will give
them more so 100 and and I'm,I'm a I can attest to that 100
right I can attest to playing acheap.

(35:37):
You know, big five, special, youknow costco kirkland, baby you,
those are premium though, bythe way which are actually not
not terrible golf balls.
Same same plant as Titleistthere's a lawsuit?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I there was, but what are they doing now?
Is it different or is it stillthe same?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, kirkland has to be
careful.
I think they probably learnedtheir lesson off of that one.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's like $24 for two dozen premium golf balls.
That's the best deal around.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
If you're confident in what you play, I don't think
it matters.
I can play with a ladies golfball in a social park.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
You can't go down to Walmart and buy a box of Top
Flight for that.
That's true, it's true.
But you hit some of theseinexpensive golf balls that you
get in the sporting goodsdepartment at Walmart and it
inexpensive golf balls that youget in the sporting goods
department at Walmart and itfeels like you're hitting a
stone.
They're rock hard.
They just don't feel good,they're not very responsive.

(36:34):
You hit a premium golf ball andwhen you hit the center of the
club face you feel thatcompression on the golf ball and
I can't even describe to youthere's a lot of things that are
inappropriate to say how goodthat feels, but it feels really
good when you feel a premiumgolf ball compress off the
center of your club face, nomatter what club you're hitting.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, it's.
This is.
I've got two really goodstories right now about premium
versus non.
I'm giving a putting lesson atbeach ball country club,
probably five or six years ago,to this woman, really good
friend, and she just goes outand says I can't tell the
difference between a golf ball.
I'm just going to do this and II can't tell the difference
between a golf ball.
I'm just going to do this.
And she was a decent enoughplayer that she probably should

(37:18):
have been playing a three orfour piece golf ball, probably
in that mid category to premiumcategory, but she didn't want to
.
You know, she's like oh, I justdon't feel the difference, I'm
just going to play this twopiece ball.
It was costing her strokes forsure as far as spin and feel
around the greens.
So I did a test with her.
I spin and feel around thegreens.
So I did a test with her and Isaid, okay, well, let's just see

(37:40):
.
So I said I want you to makesome practice swings for me and
I had a range ball and I had apremium ball Range balls are two
piece golf balls cheap.
You know hard, durable, theyneed to be durable.
You know hard, durable, theyneed to be durable.
Very thick, cover all that.
So I had her putt with it andshe hits it with her eyes closed

(38:02):
because I just put the ball inthe way, basically.
So then I said good job, youknow, I want you to keep your
eyes closed.
I want you to do it again.
Does it again.
She didn't even know what I wasdoing, by the way, I just I
just tricked her, I just wantedher to know.
So then, uh, I think I put aCallaway, you know Chrome, soft
or something like that, in theway and she hits it, she opens

(38:25):
her eyes.
She's like, well, that feltdifferent.
It's like, oh, it did.
It's like, well, what did younotice on the balls?
The last one felt really soft,it felt softer.
You felt that compression and Iwas like, oh okay.
Well, do you remember twominutes ago when you told me you
couldn't feel the difference ina ball?
You just hit a premium ballversus range ball, and it wasn't

(38:47):
about result, because her eyeswere closed.
I actually picked up the ballsbefore she looked.
But it opened her eyes itliterally was like oh my gosh,
Okay cool, you did it Like thatmakes total sense.
And I have one other one Goahead.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Well, you know, here at the golf garage, when you
first opened, you were havingTP5Xs in all of the ranges.
It did not take but a few weeksfor those balls, with the
amount of play that they weregetting, to start breaking down
severely.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
So we went to a three-piece ball, you went to a
practice range.
No, we did not.
It's a premium ball.
It says practice on it, sonobody steals on it.
They're still premium.
So they say, practice just likethat TP5 right there.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
So it's a premium ball, but it's a three piece
instead of a five piece.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well then, maybe it was the amount of play that
those balls were getting,because we actually my teammates
and I in league put them to thetest on the sim, that's right I
remember hit five ball.
We hit five shots each and allthree of us who were put doing
this test, we had a total of 10shots five with the practice

(39:59):
balls and five with a premiumgolf ball, fresh brand new out
of her golf bag, and there wasclose to 20 yards difference on
average.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You know it's, it's interesting and that's not a
mental thing, yeah, no, I mean,you're testing it and you're
absolutely right.
So thing, yeah, no, I mean,you're testing it and you're
absolutely right.
So I'm on Calloway staff at thetime and I'm I got invited to
go down to Carlsbad for a PGAmagazine ambassador trip and
they gave us a tour ofTaylorMade and the kingdom and

(40:34):
it's like anyone's dream, justlike Calloway, like everyone has
this tour department.
And you're just like, wow, thisis so cool.
Like everyone got fit here,tiger got fit here, right.
So you go through it.
And they were trying to sell meon the Taylor made ball and I'm
on Callaway staff, right.
So I'm just like no, no, no, Ilike my Callaway ball, I'm happy

(40:55):
with it, all this stuff.
And and they're like, oh no, no, we're guaranteeing that this
is going to go farther for youand it's going to feel better.
And I'm like, okay, great.
So we get up there and they'vegot GC quad out, they got track
man out, both at the same time,just to show me that this
tailor-made ball is going to bebetter.

(41:15):
So I hit a drive and I hit myCallaway and I hit it pretty
solid and it goes out there like275, 280,.
You know nothing, I'm notripping it, I'm just swinging.
No total like total.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, my, my carry.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
My carry distance is probably 265, but I'm super,
super efficient, so it rolls outto 300.
On a standard day, right, 310is a kind of a max total for me.
That's what I like, um.
But then I take this taylormade golf ball and I hit it and
it goes about eight yardsfarther and I'm like, oh yeah,

(41:52):
yeah, it's fine I him.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I'm just like, yeah, whatever, yeah, whatever, yeah,
yeah, whatever.
I'm more warmed up now.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I'm like, shoot.
I'm just like, oh no, so I getup on Callaway staff, so I can't
let this happen.
So I, you know, I get my ballout again and I just freaking
rip at it and, uh, you know, II'll drive the tailor made by
about four or five yards.
And then they gave me atailor-made again.
I'm like, all right, yeah, Ihit it again.

(42:17):
And so I just they don't knowit, but I eased up on it and I
was just like gosh, dang it.
It's like, yeah, I like mine.
And at the time, right, I mean,I'm still on the staff.
And you're eased up with thesame distance as your Callaway,
and it's a funny story.
Ultimately, I'm on TaylorMadestaff now, ironically, so it's

(42:41):
not one's better than the other.
Was that?
Was that the deciding factor?
No, I mean, yeah, maybe.
No, you know, I want to hit itfarther, so uh you.
Oddly enough with the wholething, though, is that everybody
makes a good golf ball, andeverybody can make the golf ball
go that far, but they are goingto sacrifice something.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
So right, what are you willing?
Well, my very first point wasin this discussion.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So what are you willing to sacrifice?
Are you willing to sacrificespin?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Or distance Right, but it's one of those two right
Well, so balls.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I always like this.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Time equals control distance.
Well, equals having to hit oneless iron, but too much spin
doesn't help you either.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So when we fit for clubs, let's use club ball
analogy here, right?
So, like when I'm fitting for aclub and a driver, I'm trying
to get between 10 to 12 launchfor your average golfer in two
to 3000 spin.
So let's say, this golfer ishitting it at 10 launch, but
they're spinning it at 1700.

(43:47):
They're like you're like man,what can I do?
Well, if they're playing TPfive, x, I can put them a TP
five and get them 300 morelaunch right there.
So now our fitting is done,right, they're hitting it good,
they got it.
We just got to change ball.
So I could literally fit ballat the same time as hitting club
, if I know what I'm doing.
The difference too is thatyou're not going to feel a huge

(44:09):
difference in putting andchipping If it's that same kind
of concept.
Um, the other thing thing islike we have a lot of golfers
that don't necessarily need thatTP5 or X and there's tour
response.
The tour responses are great.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I like those.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
It's an awesome ball.
It feels super soft, so tell mewhere does the tour response
fit?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
What is the difference between that and the
tp5?
And?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
the tp5.
Well again, like you can say,played it and I like it but.
I don't know what I like aboutit you probably like the feel of
it, based on what you're sayingto me right now.
Is you like to feel somethingsoft, right, ultimately?
especially at the face of the ofa driver or a long iron yeah,
and I would say they are good atchanging covers of golf balls

(45:00):
and that allows you to feelsomething different.
Right, and it's a urethanecover, obviously, so it's just a
different feel.
In general, one of the bestball companies, I think, is
Bridgestone.
Bridgestone is super underrated.
They've been in the rubberbusiness for how long?
With tires, right, so they havethe sourcing.

(45:20):
And why did Tiger go fromTitleist to TaylorMade to
Bridgestone, right?
The guy I mean or, I'm sorry,nike, he never played TaylorMade
, he went, I think he wentTitleist to Nike to Bridgestone
and the Titleist ball's crazybecause I remember being on, I'm
sorry, the Nike ball's crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
The Pro V1 was the only ball to have about 10 years
ago.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, so it was like the professional and there was
like a tour preferred orsomething.
And then it went to Pro V1.
And now the thing is one thingyou mentioned earlier is they
messed with everybody's head.
So the pro V1 X is the morespinny ball.
Now the pro V1 regular is thelow spin ball.
Well, and so you got toremember this it's not distance,

(46:06):
it's spin.
So ultimately, low spin versushigh spin doesn't necessarily
mean club head speed or anything.
It's about how you deliver theclub.
So if you're delivering theclub with more loft, potentially
you might need a lower spinball.
So it's all relative.
Sometimes attack angle and allthat stuff has something to do

(46:27):
with it as well.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
But doesn't the softness or the hardness of the
ball have to do with distance?
The harder the ball, the moredistance.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Not necessarily when we talk about it.
We look at compression.
Any of the best players in theworld can compress a top or a
five-piece ball.
It turns it into a pancake.
Have you ever seen the slow-mo?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
The difference between you and Dustin Johnson
is your pancake is going to bean oval, His pancake is a
pancake.
When he smashes that golf balland it becomes round again, it's
a rocket ship.
It's like when you take one ofthose bouncy balls a big one,
you can kind of see it compressa little bit.
It's the same idea.
You're dealing with rubber.

(47:08):
So the ball has to be durable,it has to be round, it has to
have great aerodynamics for theplayer that is hitting that golf
ball.
So get fit for your golf ballfrom someone that knows how to
fit a golf ball.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
And at what point.
How many rounds of golf onaverage?
I mean, assuming you don't losea ball, how many rounds of golf
on average can you get out ofone ball before you should
change it?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
so this was a great three, four I mean, it's a great
question and I learned thatthis last year.
So I asked the question down attaylor made because we were
talking about testing and andpeople ask questions all the
time if a ball's in the pond orif a ball's in the heat and like
they test these balls in subsub zero temps and they put them

(47:58):
in the back of cars in Arizonafor time after time after time.
Same with golf clubs to see ifthe epoxy changes, like they are
testing and testing, andtesting and testing before
something even comes out right.
So this was crazy to hear, buta premium golf ball, least from
taylormade, will last you 11rounds for a higher swing speed

(48:23):
player if you keep it that long,right, right.
So the thing of it is like somegolfers think that if they see
a chip, on the ball.
I'm making it through one roundI think a lot of golfers do,
which is why they're golf ballcompanies right, but they see a
blemish on their ball and it'sgoing to go bad.
I mean there's nothing reallyshown that if a little bit of

(48:43):
paint is worn off on the ballit's going to act any different.
I mean, you've painted it, sothat's just a thin coat relative
to the entirety and integrityof that golf ball.
What will change is when itgets cut through the rubber Hits
cart path.
If it's cut absolutely, If it'sa path and there's a blemish,
for most golfers it's the paint.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Right.
So another question when itcomes to Bridgestone, strixon,
taylormade, titleist, callaway,they're all making premium golf
balls.
There's only so many patentsthat are out there and every
company has their own patents.

(49:26):
Is playing a TP5X and a Pro-V1Xequivalent?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Again, I would go back to getting fit for that
ball.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
I mean, technically speaking, the way the balls are
constructed.
There.
It's two different brands, it'stwo premium golf balls.
Is the difference between a prov1 and pro v1x the exact same
as the difference between thetp5 and tp5x?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
yeah, so I think so.
When you look at spin ratesbetween tp5 and tp5x, it's 300
rpms of backspin.
It's the same.
That way, I think they're verysimilar in that regards.
When I putt with a Pro-V versusa TP5X, I get a different feel.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
What do you?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
feel.
I feel like the Pro-V is softer.
That's my feel, though that'smy preference.
I think that's a generalconsensus.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I think most people who have played both would say
that.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
And I ultimately like the feeling of a ball that
doesn't feel that soft.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
With a putter especially.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Well, I want to know where it's at the face.
So I do a test, also like theblind test I talked about
earlier with putting, where Iwill putt with my eyes closed
and say long, short or perfect,and I'll open them.
And if I can get that and I getthe feedback and I know because
I visualize that putt, I'm like, okay, this is a good stop.
Chipping is huge for me.
If I can get the ball to flightnumber one the way I want it to

(50:44):
, and then I see a little bit ofcheck with it, I'm a happy
camper.
Some of these players are likeI want to see it rip back.
I'm like, well, it's not goingto happen in a chip number one,
can you hit the center of theface.
Number two, can you get 10,000backspin with your eight iron
100%.
So actually that's a good one,right?
So launch monitors now willtell you what optimal is based
on clubs.
So, based on the loft of a club, when you're looking at a wedge

(51:07):
, you're looking at wanting tolaunch it between 28 and 30 as
far as launch angle and you wantto get 11,000, as much as you
can.
11,000, 12,000, backspin 100%,and especially the tour players
right, they're going to be andagain, dino emphasized this with
wedges too is like going from a58 to a 60.
Well, when you get on tour, a60 is going to get you that a
couple hundred extra RPM thatyou wouldn't have had with a 58.

(51:30):
So, like for me, I play a 58and I love it and I can rip it
the way I swing, but you go intoa tour green, guess what?
You need that 60.
I played Rug Valley CountryClub.
In that event, about a month ago, before the Aerofied, I had
never seen such firm greens,besides playing the junior AM
qualifier at the Oregon GolfClub.
I just I remember all thesethings back in the day and I'm

(51:53):
like, if I would have had a 60,I would have been good, right,
you know.
So the golf ball can help, andI think that's the key here.
Um, you know, we do a ton ofgolf ball fitting.
We're actually going to bedoing a golf ball fitting, um,
fireside chat with our membersand then offering them a
complimentary golf ball fitting,and I think that that's really
important.
And again, mizuno is startingto make a golf ball.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I did not know that yet.
Yeah, so they made a ball.
They sure made an impact in theclub world.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh man, yeah, I mean, back in the day when you're in
high school, you talked aboutMizuno's and Titleist a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
They came in with more event.
Mizuno came in with more eventsthan Nike did when they first
started making clubs.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Oh man, yeah, Mizuno is a powerhouse too, and I mean
they really strided themselveson premium metal, right Forged
iron, all of that back when theyfirst were really going.
Ping strided themselves onbeing an American made, or put
together at least.
And it's funny, Ping is a coolcompany because they don't have

(52:55):
a golf ball right.
So I don't know if you guysknow this, but, like cleveland,
golf is owned by dunlop.
Do you guys remember dunlop?
golf balls back in the day thatwas like.
It was like wilson and dunlopand all these sports right.
So, once again, mizuno's ball.
When I first hit it I thinkthis was in 2019 or 2020 was a

(53:18):
rocket ship.
Their premium ball only wenthigh and far.
It was the worst feeling rubber.
It was a bouncy ball.
Legitimately.
It would go so far, though withwedges and irons I picked up 20
yards.
Oh my gosh, it wasuncontrollable.
Their ball.
Now Ryan's playing it loves it.
I looked at it.

(53:38):
I'm like that cover looksdifferent.
You can tell.
I mean, you can see a premiumball a lot of times.
But what I like about balls nowyou can modify them to what you
want to have.
On them you can put yourinitials, you can customize them
, you can put logos on.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Put your business logo on them.
Oh man, Put your name on them.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
That's what I do.
I am all in on business logosright off your golf balls and
frankly, it doesn't really costyou anymore.
No, I mean, I think it might bea dollar to a dozen.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Except when you're a recreational golfer and you're
on your way to a course andyou're like, oh, I've got five
golf balls in my bag.
That's not enough.
I need to buy a box of golfballs right now.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Great idea for you.
We got the vault here, butbefore that, here's the coolest
thing I've ever seen on a golfball Ready.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Okay, we had a car salesman at our club.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Oh, you told me this story, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
He owns a Toyota dealership.
He owns a Toyota dealership Onhis golf ball.
It said if you find this golfball, call this number and you
get $500 off your next purchaseof a car.
Ingenious.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Genius, ingenious.
The worse of a golfer he is,the more it paid off for him.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Problem was he didn't lose a lot of golf balls, he
was a 14 handicap, going on aseven, like all the car dealers
are.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
There's a golf pro shop in Santa Barbara,
california.
It's not at a golf course, it'sjust a golf shop in town in a
strip mall, and you walk inthere and they have a huge
basket of premium golf balls.
They sell them for three dollarsand fifty cents each nice and
you don't know whether they'reused, whether they're new,
because some people come in withtheir logo, their business

(55:29):
logos, and they dump.
You know they dump them inthere.
But you get to look through allall of these premium golf balls
and you, I found a crown royalone, I found a course light one,
you find all these super coolgolf balls and you're like that,
just speak to you and you'relike I have to have this and I
can't lose it.
And you play better because yougo into it with this attitude

(55:53):
of I, I love this ball.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
You know it's funny.
Golf balls don't have to beexpensive, but I will tell you
that you need to get fit foryour golf ball.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Where can you go to get an unbiased fit?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
So, number one I'm going to go ahead and toot our
own horn, because I partnered upwith all of the ball
manufacturers that I thoughtwere relevant and we have two
ball packs in so we can trythose on our launch monitors,
you know.
Number one is find a PGAprofessional that knows what
they're talking about.
I mean, I would just quiz them.

(56:31):
Most all professionals that arePGA professionals are again top
tier Um but they're going to beon staff with one manufacturer.
Yeah, and I think ultimately,that's one of those questions
you ask, like, you know, whatball would you fit me into?
Do you have the ability to trymultiple brands?

(56:52):
Because, like for us, I'm onstaff with TaylorMade but I'm
going to throw everything ineverybody's hands, and because I
understand the other productlines.
There are some product linesfor certain people that I'm like
, man, you know whatTaylorMade's got it, but I think
this is going to fit you better.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I'm not afraid to do that, like they don't own me
that way, and I think ultimatelythe golf ball is one of the
most important pieces to thepuzzle, because if you're
confident in that ball, thenyou're going to play better golf
is the Kirkland signature ball,one of the best balls for the

(57:34):
money you can get.
I think we need to bring it toGolf Garage and we're going to
test it.
I think that needs to be avideo.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
We're going to do video and we're going to give
you results next week.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I think we got to do a ball fitting with you, Darren,
and then we'll throw that onthere and we'll put the Kirkland
on there.
You want to do that Becauseit's like what 20?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I think they went up a little bit $24 for two dozen,
but who can beat that?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
It's tough to beat and I would say that, based on
what I'm seeing in the market.
I don't see Kirkland that often, honestly, but I would say 10%
of the time max, probably alittle less.
I'm seeing a Kirkland golf balland the people that play them
like them.
So if you're going to spend themoney, maybe it's just the idea
that I'm not overcharged for agolf ball exactly, which is why

(58:19):
we all have costco membershipsto begin with.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
There we go exactly.
It's been a pleasure.
This was in depth and I gottasay um, our podcast last week
with dino so fun broke ourrecord for the most downloads
let's go.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
you you know what this is so much fun.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It was such a great conversation, and I think, this
one about golf balls what's too?
Because we're really sheddingsome light, bringing some
unbiased perspectives andimportance to being fit for the
right equipment, no matter whatbrand it is.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I'd love to hear from our viewers on what they want
to see next.
So, ultimately, tag us ask somequestions, share us and we're
going to do, and we're going totalk about what you want and I
think that's the key to thispodcast moving forward and if
you have questions, shoot us amessage.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You can.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
You can shoot us a message directly to our podcast
page through any of theproviders you listen to us
through, whether it be Apple,spotify, google whatever the
case may be, and next week weare going to be going over some
tips and tricks and having somecallers call in and we're going
to answer some of thosequestions.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
And we're going to revisit our results on testing
out that Kirkland ball too.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Let's do it buddy Take care.