November 13, 2025 • 44 mins
We shift from fall travel plans and Golf Garage updates to a deep dive on the craft of caddying with guest Corey Maranau, exploring service, psychology, and how small habits change scores. We share stories from Bandon Dunes to Palm Springs, plus practical tips for firm greens and faster speed.
• redefining vacation mindset and why environment shapes play
• operations update on the Golf Garage and a point of sale change
• new program Bourbon and Bombs for speed gains and community
• mental triggers, light drinks, and routine cues that free the swing
• what a good caddy does beyond numbers and green reads
• Corey’s path from Bandon Dunes to desert private clubs
• double-bagging mechanics, caddy games, and daily grind
• service excellence lessons from Madison Club and how we apply them
• who actually breaks 90 at elite clubs and why fun still wins
• Muni Madness under the lights and the joy of fast group play
• firm desert greens prep and landing spot strategy
• coaching boundaries, common amateur faults, and actionable fixes
• integrity in golf, dealing with tantrums, and earning trust
• favorite courses, bucket lists, and friendly program rivalries
“Darren, next week, I think we got Don Law off his cruise, but I’m on vacation. So we’re going to be the week following. We got to get Don out there and we’re going to get going on the National Youth Player Development Award winner.”
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SPEAKER_03 (00:14):
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Welcome to My Golf Source.
What?
One week, two weeks out fromThanksgiving.
Yes, sir.
You ready?
Beautiful fall.
I'm ready.
Are you?
Nope.
SPEAKER_02 (00:27):
I'm ready for vacation.
Where are you going?
Mehco.
That's right.
Yes.
Uh everyone asks me thisquestion, and I always know
where you can't pronounce thename of the city.
Yeah, one of the two.
All I can think of is betweenCancun and Tulum.
And then I finally realize it'sRiviera Maya and it's an
all-inclusive resort.
(00:49):
But the coolest thing about itis I haven't had a vacation in
15 years.
What do you consider a vacation?
SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
Um I was about to say no wife and kids and going
out of town.
Um, but no, that's not truebecause often vacation requires
a wife and kids' presence withyou too.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Probably a smart move if you want to keep the
wife and kids.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09):
You went to Ohio.
Where where were you a few weeksago?
SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Oh, Arizona with the team?
No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
That wasn't a family.
Texas?
Where where were you?
You were somewhere in thesoutheast, weren't you?
SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
I was all over the place.
But I guess what I'm getting atis defining a vacation for
everybody is different.
So we go to uh Michigan inDecember, which number one,
Michigan in December is um greatto see family, but it's also in
a house in negative weather.
(01:43):
So you can only familyobligation.
Yeah, it's it's a little morefamily obligation, great way to
put it.
And it love the family, so it'sso fun.
And then at the end, you'relike, man, I wish we could have
been outside more, right?
That's all that's what it comesdown to.
And then you've got the um theseawesome member trips where it's
like, oh man, I'm going to theDominican or I'm going to a
(02:04):
really nice golf course like apebble beach, and you go do
that, and it was great, but youhad to, yeah, you had to be on.
You you had to make all thereservations, you had to do all
the logistics, you had to write.
Don't you have to do that foryour own vacations anyway?
You do, but unless you're no ahorseman and you hire a travel
agent.
Yeah.
No, I did it all.
No, my wife helped.
Hey, uh, so with that beingsaid.
(02:25):
I go to Santa Barbara tomorrowmorning.
Is that a vacation?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
No, it's work.
However, it's Santa Barbara.
What do I want to do in SantaBarbara?
Golf.
Play golf.
It is gonna be horrific weatherthe whole time I'm oh no.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
What else is there to do?
A golf garage down there?
I wish.
Yeah.
We got to talk about it.
Yeah, let's get one down there.
Hey, so I think what I'm gettingat with this vacation thought
process is it's our vacation andthere are no plans.
We know we're gonna go scubadiving at some point.
Or not scuba diving, uhsnorkeling, I'm afraid of it.
My vacation, damn it.
SPEAKER_03 (03:00):
Yeah, you're not gonna do anything about it.
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
Yeah, and there's an island we might go to.
And I will love it.
And I might play golf if I wantto, but I'm not bringing clubs.
There's no expectation.
Yeah, I will.
And I'll shoot underpine.
I know you will.
It's the game.
PGA of Mexico is there orsomething.
Really?
I don't know.
I looked it up, it wassomething.
PGA Latino, I don't know.
Interested, intrigued.
(03:24):
There's some nice nice horsesthere from what I hear.
Yeah, we'll see.
There's sea turtles and stufftoo.
SPEAKER_03 (03:29):
So the only place in Mexico I've ever been in is uh
Mazatlan.
How was that?
Amazing.
Yeah.
What what do you do?
Um swim, hang out on the beach,drink a lot of tequila.
What side of what side ofMexico's Mazat?
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
Okay.
So yeah, this is first timecrossing the border.
Oh, nice.
That's awesome.
Is it on but it's not in theBaja, it's on the actual
mainland.
It's on the mainland.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Well, you know what's reallycrazy too?
I was looking at weather, andwe've had really, really nice
weather the last couple days,but windy, you know, in the
upper 60s, low 70s.
(04:06):
70 my rule is about wind.
Hit it low.
SPEAKER_03 (04:09):
If it's strong enough to blow the ball off of
your tee, I ain't playing.
Yeah, no joke.
SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
Yeah, so then it gets down to almost like high of
50 when we leave.
So I have a feeling the golfgarage is gonna be blowing up
right when I'm gone.
Yeah, which is totally fine.
We've got awesome staff here.
And uh I don't know if I youknow, we've talked about it.
We have a new operations managerhere.
Brittany.
Brittany.
She's super cool, super cool,makes great old fashioned,
(04:36):
smokes it if you want it.
Okay, yeah.
Big ice cubes.
She already made some uh changesto the bar area and trying to
make us more efficient.
There you go.
Yeah, well, you need that inyour life.
You do.
Yeah, I do.
Man, just gotta keep me incheck.
Yeah, we were doing anorganizational chart today, and
you know, I know that you haveanother podcast too, and you
(04:57):
guys talk about things umbusiness-wise, but you know,
business and golf go hand inhand, not only because people do
business on the golf course orin the golf garage, but just
man, like trying to figure outhow to run a golf garage, and
there are there's nothing likethis in the world to like call
somebody and ask them whatthey're doing is super tough
(05:20):
because there's no software outthere that'll do what we want it
to do.
And I'm going through a point ofsale change right now, and um a
POS change.
POS and we know what that standsfor.
Yes.
And the one that we currentlyhave has just been overpromise,
under deliver, overpromise,under deliver.
And the worst thing about it iswhen you actually have a
problem, they don't pick up thephone.
(05:40):
They don't pick it up, and it'llbe two days.
They are so I had an issue withum some bank stuff.
Like that's really important.
And they even said, hey, if it'sbank stuff, we'll get right back
to you same day.
It was three days later.
I'm like, okay, well, it doesn'tseem like you guys care too
much.
So so unfortunately, kind ofpart of the personal direction.
(06:01):
January 1st.
So if they're listening, January1st.
I don't get it.
You know what?
And I don't mention names or no,I don't get too bitter too
often, obviously.
I love coaching golf and I lovelike serving people, but this is
one of those things where it'slike, man, this is gonna be
super fun trying to put everypiece of the puzzle back
together.
No, it's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (06:21):
I was out working today and I had to swing by and
pick up some paperwork at a jobI was at for a client.
So I called the client, I said,Hey, I'm on my way down to your
office with the paperwork.
And he's all oh well, I'm I'mI'm just I just left the office.
I'm like, damn you.
Why why you gotta do that?
He's all leave it at the frontdesk.
I said, Where are you going?
(06:41):
He said, Golf garage.
I'm like, so am I.
We'll just meet there.
I'm not going to your office.
SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
What are the odds?
So that's awesome.
You know what's cool?
We're starting to get into a lotmore programming.
I got the 365-day plan down thisFriday.
We're we're doing a new thingcalled bourbon and bombs.
SPEAKER_03 (06:59):
I just saw that and I'm so bummed I'm not gonna be
here for it.
Wish you were gonna be here.
So we uh because that's right upmy alley.
SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Yeah, we just wanted a small, intimate group, and
what we're gonna do is uh Mattand I are gonna assess them and
we're gonna put them through theringer on the assessment, but
immediately give them actionablesteps to hit it farther.
I bet you we get somebody that'sat 10 to 15 yards further in
less than an hour.
And then at the end, littlesocial activity where they're
gonna get a flight of bourbonand we get to drink that
(07:26):
together and talk a little bitabout it.
And you have a backwards, myfriend.
You gotta do that before theassessment.
It just depends on if you'renervous or not, you know.
So I want to make sure that weget them that distance.
How about this one?
I had a a student in Ohio thatum came to me probably his 10th
instructor, maybe even more.
(07:47):
Um, you know, well off family,could go to whoever he wanted
to, had definitely had a prettygood resume of coaches that he
had seen.
And we'll never forget it.
And he just was like, I justwant to get better, I want to
shave three shots.
He's like a 14-year-old.
SPEAKER_03 (08:04):
What was his name that we talked to last week?
SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Oh, are you talking about uh New York?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:11):
Yeah, what a what about it?
He said that he he had he hadgiven lessons to a guy who had
had a hundred lessons before.
Oh, and the and the old coachsaid, Well, you're gonna have to
get worse before you get better.
Let's get your money back.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
Yeah, no joke.
No, this is different.
So this has to do with drinking.
So I I figured you're oh, eyeswent up.
No, so he would play golf, andwhen he played golf, he would
drink with his buddies.
And um, when he'd come into alesson, he would come in and be
completely sober, and then hewould have a drink after and
start playing golf.
(08:47):
And so I started talking to himabout it, and I and you could
tell that he was frustrated inthe lessons.
We had about three lessonsbefore I said, Hey, look, I know
that you have a couple drinksout there with your buddies.
Why are you learning withouthaving a couple drinks in your
system before you play?
SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
That's the last thing that a drunk needs to be
told is have another drink.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
I never said that you did.
So the greatest thing about thiswas he looks at me and said,
That's a great call.
SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
Like he literally give me a drink of that idea.
SPEAKER_02 (09:23):
So so then he goes down to the bar right then,
because we're at the privateclub, brings a drink back and
starts playing.
He immediately relaxes,immediately hits it better.
Like everything was in his headabout this is how he does it,
right?
So that you know, somethingabout the chemistry, right?
So then I'll never forget ittoo, was after that, because he
(09:44):
was relaxed, I could actuallyenjoy the lesson.
And the next lesson he comes in,he wasn't hitting it well, he
wasn't hitting it well.
And I was like, What are yougood at all the time?
And he's like, Oh, putting.
Nobody can beat me at putting.
Like, okay.
So I watched him putt, and hisleft foot, right before he
pulled the trigger, his toewould go up.
(10:05):
And I had never seen that happenwith anybody before, not like
that.
It was like his trigger to pullthe to to go.
And I was like, Hey, did youknow that your toe moves when
you putt?
He's like, Yeah.
I was like, Well, in your fullswing, do you know that your toe
doesn't move before you hit?
He's like, No.
(10:26):
It's like you're gonna startmoving your toe before you hit.
Instantly he started striping itbecause it got him into emotion
and it was his trigger.
Golf is a funny mental game.
Well, what other triggers areout there, like waggling your
butt, right?
Waggling the club.
For him, it was waggling histoe, and I just thought that was
a pattern.
SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
Yeah, I'm just uh I blink real hard before.
SPEAKER_02 (10:45):
There you go.
So between drinking and wigglinghis toe, he became a really good
golfer and he shaved threeshots.
SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
I knew a guy who insists on clearing his throat
before he swings.
You?
No.
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
You're legitimately that's a thing?
SPEAKER_03 (11:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he lit he literally clearedhis throat every time right
before he swung.
Did everybody around him noticedit but him?
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
I have a question for you.
So how important do you think itis to have a caddy on the back?
SPEAKER_03 (11:25):
Oh man.
Well, to have fun?
No.
To have more fun?
100%.
Well, and and and if you if youwant to shoot a better score,
look, it just makes sense thathaving an expert there to kind
of help you along the way andand and and lie to your face and
make you feel good aboutyourself is always a good thing.
(11:46):
That's half the battle, right?
It is.
You know what?
And a good caddy will always lieto you and say, what a great
shot.
Man, I've caddied a little bitand it's hard work.
Another thing a good caddy willdo is when you're 150 yards out,
he'll tell you you're 190 yardsout to get you to pick the right
club because he knows nobodyhits it as far as they say they
(12:07):
need to go.
SPEAKER_02 (12:08):
Man, with that being said, we have to welcome our
guest to the show, professionalcaddy Corey Maranau.
SPEAKER_01 (12:17):
Welcome to the show.
You guys can't be giving awayour tricks like that.
What are we doing here?
SPEAKER_03 (12:23):
Hey, it's just general observation.
SPEAKER_02 (12:26):
That's all.
Oh my gosh.
You know what's cool aboutCorey?
He's a golf garage member, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
Two months out of the year, he's a golf garage
member.
And what's even cooler aboutCorey is I barely knew this guy
last year, and he came down,went out of his way on his way
down to Palm Springs, and met usin Santa Barbara for a round of
golf at Sandpiper, and it wasjust a killer experience, even
though we didn't quite get tofinish because it got dark.
SPEAKER_01 (12:51):
Such a fun round, though.
SPEAKER_02 (12:52):
So I was just gonna ask you.
So was it though?
I mean, you gotta was was Darrenuh keeping his composure out on
the golf course?
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
You know, you gotta put up with a few things with
this guy, but in general, Iwould say we had a good time.
SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
It applies to caddies too.
They can't talk, they can't talkabout their patience in the golf
course.
SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
I love that.
So, Corey, you've been at acouple different golf courses in
your career.
Can you kind of just kind ofwalk us through where you
started in caddying and and thenhow you got to the the private
club that you're at now?
SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Uh yeah.
So I started out at Bandon Dunesgolf course after college.
It's not a bad place to be.
Yeah, I kind of just threw mydegree to the side and decided
that I was gonna stick with golfand try to get better and keep
keep going, keep playing.
SPEAKER_03 (13:35):
That's why he's not married.
There is a reason.
Maybe more than one.
I love it.
I don't know a wife that wouldsay, okay, throw away your
college education to play golf.
SPEAKER_02 (13:44):
Oh man, how many years were you at Bandon?
I was five summers.
Oh man.
So did you get out right away ordid you have to sit the ride the
pine for a while?
How'd that go?
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
Um, I definitely had to grind a little bit, no doubt.
Yeah.
And we got enough work to makemoney and pay the bills, but it
wasn't like we're stacking a lotof cash when you first get
there.
But then once you get in withthe caddy master and whatnot,
and they start trusting yourwork and you start working with
caddies who have been there for10, 12 years, and then they kind
of reference you and kind ofputs you onto other jobs and
whatnot.
And once you get into that, thenit really starts piling up, and
(14:15):
then you have almost too muchwork to where you have to turn
down requests and all that typeof stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
How do you feel about double bagging?
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
It's so much better than single bagging.
What?
Yes.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (14:25):
Is it because your your shoulders are level or is
it?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:28):
Our legs are all fine.
We know we go, we play, we caddy36 and then go play nine
afterwards.
That makes sense.
It's easier.
It's way more about having theback steady than the weight.
SPEAKER_03 (14:38):
It's easier to carry two big buckets of water than
one.
Yeah.
No doubt.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Uh-huh.
Same idea.
SPEAKER_02 (14:44):
Hey, so how well do you know Shu?
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
Uh very well.
SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
So I will tell you that um one of my college
teammates was one of Shu'soriginal 10.
Really?
Yeah.
His name's Dave Bloomquist andstill really good friends.
He lives in Vegas now.
But uh every time I go toBandon, I take a picture with
Shue and send it to Dave, andthen vice versa.
We've FaceTime before.
That guy is just legendary.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
Yeah, he's one of the main guys that helped me get
down to the desert in the firstplace.
Oh, is that right?
So yeah, I got to Rolling Hillsin the first uh was my first
spot outside of Bandon, whichwas a Jason McClay kid remodel.
So that's how I found out aboutit because obviously the first
Bandadunes course is my kid.
It's in um LA area, PallasVerdes.
Oh, yeah.
Up on the hill above LA.
SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
Is that public or private?
It's private.
SPEAKER_01 (15:29):
It's another yeah, fairly nice private club.
And uh it was amazing there.
We were actually like the firstthree or four caddies.
We all came from Bandon, me, meand three buddies, basically.
SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
And we kind of was that opening a few years back.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Oh man, I wish I it was a remodel.
So it had already been, and thenthey got a lot more land, made a
big clubhouse.
It was like a rock quarry area,and they turned it into like a
link style course with likebackstops and side stops, and it
used to be just like a normal,straight up kind of country
club, shorter freelanced.
SPEAKER_02 (15:56):
Some big money games out there.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
It's a lot different than any other courses in the
area for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
Oh, that's awesome.
And then where do you go toafter that?
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
Uh then from there I ended up down at the hideaway,
and I've been there now forwhat, five winters, and then I
kind of jump around to otherclubs in the area whenever they
need you as well.
That's a nice thing.
All the member guests kind ofgather all the caddies from the
area.
SPEAKER_03 (16:17):
And so there's such a big, you know, more golf
courses per capita than anywhereelse.
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
Something like 250.
I don't know the exact numbers,but yeah, it's something
incredible.
SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
Are are there just for some inside knowledge, are
there a lot of common ownershipgroups between them or are they
all separate, doing their ownthing and competing?
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
I'm sure it's a little of both, and I'm not too
into the business aspect of anyof it.
That's too much.
Yeah.
I'm I'm more just work for theindividuals and you know they
call you, or I have one caddymaster and he'll assign you
loops as well.
But other than that, I'm not toointo how all the how they're
intertwined and whatnot.
SPEAKER_03 (16:53):
How many NDAs have you had to sign?
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Um actually zero.
SPEAKER_03 (16:57):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (16:58):
Oh, pair game we can ask anything and everything.
All right.
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna beable to do that.
Are we ready?
You have the 20 questions.
SPEAKER_01 (17:05):
I will lose a lot of reputation if I do any of that
stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
I'm thinking through a lot of them right now.
SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
Yeah, I've signed plenty in my own brain, that's
for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
You've signed plenty with a handshake.
SPEAKER_02 (17:14):
Yeah.
I love it.
So the hideaway is a phenomenalclub, and I know a few members
down there too.
And the old general manager fromRogue Valley Country Club used
to be down there.
Um it's kind of like the sisterclub to Madison Club, too.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
Yeah, it's literally right next door.
It's one block over.
SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
Have you gotten a chance to play Madison?
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
Yep.
I one of the guys that I workedfor in the member guest brought
me out for a couple practicerounds to learn the course
before I worked for him.
What was your favorite food?
Oh man.
Did you have you have to pickone?
I know.
You can't pick one.
Their sliders at the turn aredelicious.
SPEAKER_02 (17:46):
The Kobe beef slider.
So good.
Did you get an ice creamsandwich?
SPEAKER_01 (17:50):
Um, I skipped out.
SPEAKER_02 (17:51):
Oh, I was good that day.
Dude, honestly, one of myfavorite things when I went and
it was early on um the whenCasamigos was still part of the
ownership group.
And I don't know if they arenow, but man, that Casamigos
slushy machine, do they stillhave it's amazing.
The margarita machine.
Yeah, two dacky and margarita.
They got like three differentflavors now.
SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
You get like a quarter of an ounce of tequila
per pint.
SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
I don't know what it is, but all I know is I was a
happy boy when I was hitting thedrive on 18.
And the ladies there will talkmore for you if you need a
little more.
It's not quite.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Basically, the top shelf isavailable at your discretion at
any time at that golf course.
You just open, you just open itand do your thing.
Just like it is at the golfgarage.
Yeah, exactly.
I love that.
There's the analogy, right?
(18:34):
You know what though?
The Madison Club service is whatI strive to be every day.
So quick story on that, and youknow it.
But drive in, there's no sign,at least there wasn't when I
came in.
You go in, this little pebbledrive that's phenomenal.
It's like out of uh, I don'tknow, dude, somewhere in Europe.
And armed guard, we had a dog.
(18:55):
The dude took a mirror around mycar and said, do not turn off
this road, go straight until thevery end, and you will run into
the clubhouse.
SPEAKER_01 (19:05):
That's a little different than the caddy
entrance.
SPEAKER_02 (19:07):
Oh, yeah.
I bet.
I bet.
He said, literally, do not turnoff.
That's how he said it to me.
It was very stern.
I'm like, okay.
So I get there and we had twoattendants at the door.
Uh, one came to my front and onecame to the back.
And I had, I think I've saidthis story on on this air
before, but I had a full loadbecause we were in San Diego at
the time.
So the car was just destroyed.
(19:28):
I'm like, this is embarrassing,but took the bag, took it,
greeted me by name because theyknew from the security, then you
go inside.
No, it was so cool becauseeveryone greeted you by name and
you got walked in because youweren't a member.
So how many guests are being youknow playing there that day?
And the best thing I would thatanyone ever said to me was I'd
say it was a half hour after Iwalked through the clubhouse.
(19:49):
I go into the golf shop and thebuyer there says, uh, good
morning, Mr.
Horseman.
What can I help you find today?
And I was like, Oh, yeah, I'mbuying like eight things.
Like, I mean, just to havesomebody ask you in a way that
doesn't allow you to say no, Imean, that's like caddying,
right?
Like, I mean, you're in it tomake money because that's your
(20:09):
job, and you're in it forrelationships and you're in it
for all these cool thingsbecause it's a great, it's just
a cool experience.
But like, you know, what are thelike there's gotta be some
go-tos for you as a caddy thatyou're like, hey, I'm gonna bet
the guy and you know, the othercaddy on, you know, my guy
behind the scenes, or I'm gonnalike, how do I I know this guy,
(20:29):
and there's some ways I can getmore tips, or like, I mean, is
is that kind of a thing?
SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
Uh yeah, one of the main games we play is the last
ball in the hole.
So actually, I sorry, theopposite of that.
The first ball in the hole.
First ball.
Okay.
So if if someone lags one upthere and someone gives it to
them and they don't tap it in,that doesn't count.
It's gotta actually go in thehole.
SPEAKER_02 (20:48):
And you can't encourage it if you can't say
anything.
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
So it's all about them whether they give gimme's
or not, or if they have to makea bit long putt.
So it's it has almost nothing todo with their skill level.
What if they give it but theytap it in?
Uh it's fine, that counts.
It's dude.
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
So so it's you can totally be like, hey, tap it in,
okay?
I'll give you a little cut onthe side.
Big time.
SPEAKER_01 (21:07):
Oh, I would totally say that.
SPEAKER_03 (21:08):
It's only six inches.
You got this, just tap it in forgood feelings.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Yep, and technically the rule is you can't talk to
them other than that kind ofencouragement.
Well, make that make that forgood luck or whatever.
Or you love that sound, tap thatin, you know.
Yeah, but you can't say it likethat.
We're actually betting on it inthe background, you know.
So it's a pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03 (21:24):
Oh, yeah.
It's game, it's helpful.
SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
Man, that's cool.
Well, so how many loops are youout there now?
I mean, you said winners and youknow, at hideaway.
So are you getting out everyday?
Are you trying to grind itthrough the season?
What do you what do you like todo for you?
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
Um, I like to play golf.
So if I have a day off, I justgo play.
Um, I'm not too worried aboutit.
But if I was worried aboutplaying every day, I could
contact other caddy mastersaround and get more work when
it's not at our course.
But I bet I work five to sixdays a week.
unknown (21:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:56):
Most of the year, yeah.
That's good, man.
I love hearing that.
It's super fun.
What's your favorite thing aboutcaddy?
SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
Oh, that's I it's gotta be the relationships.
Yeah.
And just learning about theworld and learning where
everyone comes from.
Because especially at Bandon,you caddy for people.
I mean, it's amazing how manyother countries even come to
Oregon to play golf.
It it's kind of mind blowing.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
How many days a week do you do two rounds?
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Um, right now, not so many because there's not as
much daylight down south.
SPEAKER_03 (22:24):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
So we'll probably have maybe I don't know, one a
week at most, probably somethinglike that.
But we'll but at Band at Bandon,it's uh just a grind.
So yeah, whatever your groupcomes like, so you get assigned
to a group, and if your groupcomes in and plays eight rounds
in four days, then you're goingwith them the whole time.
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
Okay, so you're but they could have six holes every
single day.
SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Yeah, but they could come in and play one round every
day, and then you can go in andtry to pick up a second in the
background.
SPEAKER_03 (22:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:49):
That's pretty exciting.
So have you obviously you'regood at building relationships,
right?
You don't get to a club likeHideaway without that and Bandon
and all that.
That's so, so exciting.
Um, but have you ever been askedto like fly private or anything
crazy like, hey, fly to my otherclub and you're gonna caddy for
me in this or that?
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
Uh a couple stories, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (23:10):
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
Pretty fun.
Uh yeah, it's it's it's fun, butyou also have to keep yourself
in the world that you're in.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03 (23:17):
Anyway what was that?
Any you can mention?
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Uh yeah.
I I mean I got I got flown outto Vegas and got to play Shadow
Creek a couple times from one ofthe Rolling Hill members, and
that was just mind-blowing.
You know, staying in the nicehotel way up top.
I think it was the MGM hotelthat we stayed in and got to go
see like a couple of differentplays or whatnot.
The and then yeah, got to playthose two courses and play or
Shadow Creek twice.
(23:41):
The the second round was justmyself and a caddy from Bandon
that I knew.
His name's Andre.
SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
Have you ever tried to sell it to your client?
Say, hey, I've never played thiscourse before.
You flew me out here to caddyfor you.
I need to go have a practiceround so I know what to tell
you.
SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
There is a skill to that for sure.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
No doubt.
How about East Coast?
Have you gotten out there yet?
SPEAKER_01 (24:01):
Uh I not even a little bit.
No, I went out for in highschool just to like see the
sites, like Washington DC on aschool trip, but I haven't been.
SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
You have any eligibility left for college?
SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
Um, no.
I played all four years.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Man.
Where'd you play at?
SPEAKER_01 (24:14):
Uh Pacific University.
Yeah.
Up up in Forest Grove.
That's right.
West of Portland.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (24:18):
You knew that, right?
Yeah.
Kakula too, right?
No, Kakula was Willamette.
Yeah.
Oh, he was the enemy.
I was I was his golf coach for acouple years up there.
It was a it was definitely funnywhen you're uh in the same
conference, but uh Kakula was astud muffin.
Did you guys play the same time?
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Uh not quite.
We might have played a couple.
I was 20 um 17.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Yeah, that's right.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (24:39):
Yeah, so we might have played a little bit, but we
never played in the same groupor anything.
I when I got in, I was like alike four or five player.
So I'm sure he was the top thewhole way through.
He's he's a stud.
SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
He was uh he was number one, definitely.
So in your heart.
SPEAKER_03 (24:53):
Yeah.
Tell me this, because I I mean Ithink I kind of know the answer
to it, but I just wanted to beencouraging to anybody listening
to this podcast.
Out at some of these prestigiousclubs, what percentage of the
golfers that you caddy for canbreak 90?
I love that question.
SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
Um maybe 10%?
What percentage can break 90%?
Maybe 20 at some courses.
I mean it related to Yeah, it'sit's a lot of older golfers, and
you know, they're playing the upT's, so then they have a pretty
good chance or whatnot.
SPEAKER_03 (25:26):
So if you're still that golfer who's shooting 105,
110, don't let it don't let yourinability to play golf scare you
from playing a beautiful golf.
SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
No, you can still have so much fun out there.
And I I would argue that thepeople that's laughed at.
Yeah, and I would argue that thepeople that shoot over 100 have
a lot more fun than the peoplewho shoot two or three under a
lot of the times that I caddyfor, you know.
A lot of the times it's a lotmore fun to shoot for four
people at a bachelor party or tocaddy for four people at a
bachelor party than it is tocaddy for a big money match, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
How about how about this?
How many people between you knowthat you're caddying for are
playing premium golf balls likepro v1, tp five, or they do they
know what they need to play?
Or do they go by the case?
SPEAKER_01 (26:07):
I'd say like Gauzer and Hideaway, it's probably 80%
are good.
But there's also always thosepeople that just don't care at
all and will grab a sleeve oftop flights and not know the
difference, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Probably the fun ones that throw the snakes out
at your legs.
Yeah, they can probably seethose as well.
SPEAKER_03 (26:25):
What pond on what hole on what course would be the
best one to go on to findpremium golf balls?
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Man, left side of Bandon on those cliffs.
There's a couple spots you cankind of jump off.
And once again, this was fiveyears ago.
I don't even the gorse.
The wind direction problems.
The gorse might have overgrownnow.
I don't know, but there weresome good spots off those
cliffsides there.
SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
That's awesome.
Where do you get where do youfind the best caddy game in the
country?
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
Uh it's tough to beat Palm Springs.
Yeah.
I mean, and I don't know aboutthe country because I'm not I
haven't been everywhere, but outof the three that I've seen, and
I mean Bandit has a ton of goodplayers too, but Palm Springs
has a lot of have you playedunder the lights?
SPEAKER_02 (26:59):
Uh a lot, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Uh Muni Madness with Schuster, so much fun.
SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
Did I tell you about my experience there?
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
Uh no.
SPEAKER_02 (27:06):
So I've had one experience under the lights with
my buddy Brian Trowbridge.
Um, he was my assistant atWillamette, and that's where we
met.
He would then was the officiantat our wedding.
So we we go way back.
He comes down, we stay withColin Tucker, who's at Vintage
Club.
Yep.
So we're I know him as well.
So C Tuck met us out there, anduh I'll never forget it because
(27:26):
you pay in, didn't know what toexpect.
First hole, it is ripping leftto right, probably sustained 35
that day.
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
And those winds get crazy out there, and there's not
a whole lot to stomp them inthat that area.
They're gonna be able to dothat.
SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
I had knocked down eight iron from whatever 110
yards or whatever that hole wasto 15 feet.
And I was second to last toputt.
So nobody was razzing me toomuch because I'm new guy on the
block.
Drain it.
Right.
So keep going.
My buddy on the back.
(28:00):
Oh, and this was carryover, bythe way.
Like nobody had gotten skin orlike uh the honey a hole in one
pot in like I don't know, amonth.
So they added money to it.
Yep.
Trowbridge knocks it in the holeon like the 12th hole for a hole
in one.
SPEAKER_01 (28:12):
That is huge.
SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah.
And then he gets another skindown the road.
So one, the hole one, holds up,he gets hole in one and a skin.
We come out, and only one otherguy made money, and we're
together, so we're flashing allthis cash for the picture with
Schuster.
And uh, dude, we basically gotbooed off stage at that night
because everyone was so mad.
(28:34):
The new guys on the block camein.
And I mean, there's guys fromjunior golf I played with in
Oregon that were down there thatwere pros, and I mean a lot of
caddies, obviously, and just youknow, just the standards.
But it it is such a coolexperience.
If you have not done Muni underthe lights, that is like a
bucket list for a golfer.
SPEAKER_01 (28:50):
No doubt, especially on those Muni Madness nights
when you play as all one biggroup.
Huge.
SPEAKER_02 (28:54):
Yeah, so then we went back around and did the the
one big group.
That was so much fun.
SPEAKER_01 (28:58):
Yeah, what two rules, no, no practice swings
and no posing.
Yes.
You just get up there, hit ashot, get out of the way, and
then out of the group of 20.
It's yeah, it's one of the best,most enjoyable like golf
experiences.
SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
And then the lights go off.
Yeah, and it's and it's like,oh, time to go in.
Right at 10 o'clock.
Yeah, bang.
So much fun, man.
SPEAKER_03 (29:17):
So yeah, swing your driver, you're watching it go,
and the lights go off.
You're like, oh.
SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
Uh huh.
Yeah, it is a blast.
And I mean, just golf down thereis pure too.
Um, have you played vintage?
Uh, I have not got out thereyet.
No, all right.
That'll be something that we'llhave to do.
SPEAKER_01 (29:31):
I'm gonna it's on the list for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
I'm going down to Ironwood December 17th to play
in the Taylor May TP classic.
Um, never played Ironwood, heardit's a good track.
SPEAKER_01 (29:40):
I've been out there once.
What do you think?
I love the track, it wasawesome, but the greens were
incredibly firm.
SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
Okay, what do I have to do to get ready for that?
I've only got a month aftervacation.
SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
Uh, I just work on that landing spot because you're
gonna have to land on the frontedge of the green.
If it's if it's anything like Ithink it was probably three
years ago that I played it.
SPEAKER_02 (29:56):
How are the fairways pretty pretty wide open?
SPEAKER_01 (29:58):
Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about.
Is it a true desert course or isit more Yeah, if you missed big,
then you're in the rocks orwhatnot.
But you don't have that problem.
We'll be all right.
We'll be all right.
SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
When when you're caddying, do you often give like
coaching tips?
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
It all depends on the person.
SPEAKER_03 (30:14):
To people.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
And that's something that I that's something that I
really have learned is the mostimportant part about caddying,
is letting them come to you.
Right.
And because when I firststarted, I treated myself as the
expert because I kind of wascompared to the people that I
was caddying for.
SPEAKER_03 (30:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
But then once you like pretend like they're the
pro and then have them ask you aquestion eventually and then
answer it correctly, then theykind of move towards your
direction and want more from youkind of deal.
SPEAKER_03 (30:38):
What's the most what's the most common mistake
you see in amateur golfers?
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
I mean, definitely just the over-the-top move from
baseball, yes.
The uh hardcore slice that I'llI'll second that.
Yes, I I think what 80% of newgolfers have that miss in
general.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
So here's a question for you.
Like caddying, right?
Let's say you can do it tillyou're 50.
Maybe.
Like, how long do you want acaddy for?
And what's your what's yourgoal?
Do you have do you have like a adream job?
Is there something you want?
Like, what are you looking atright now?
SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
There'll be a four caddy in a cart, right?
Right.
There you go.
SPEAKER_02 (31:14):
You can just do that.
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
You could be shoo.
Yeah, and just keep doing it.
Um I I really want to start afamily.
And I want to get back to thevalley here.
And because I the community hereis just special to me,
especially because growing uphere and all my friends are here
and whatnot.
And so that's kind of my plansin the next few years to save up
enough to get back here.
I literally have no idea what Iwant to do though.
SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
Would uh the golf industry still keep you in the
loop?
Is that what you're looking for?
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
Or are you looking at like I'm well open to it, but
I'm also open to other thingstoo.
SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
Cool.
What's your degree in?
SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
Uh biology.
SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Yeah.
So I could always go back to theschool as well, but I was pretty
schooled out after the fouryears, so I don't know if that's
a in the cards or not.
SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
And you're you're crater grad, right?
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
2013.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
You and Matt Preston.
SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
Matt was one year older than me.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (32:02):
It's pretty good.
I'm gonna ask another questionabout caddying because I'm so
intrigued by the people who youget to meet every day while
you're doing your job.
Golf, as we all know andbelieve, is a game of integrity.
Do you still believe that?
SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Oh, well, to its core, yes.
Do people play with integrity?
No.
SPEAKER_03 (32:21):
Okay.
Is is there anyone, and and I donot want you to mention any
names or even allude to who itmay be, but have you played with
anybody who might be well knownor powerful?
Um who you were just verydisappointed in their demeanor,
integrity?
SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
Uh yes, for sure.
Okay.
But there's also a lot more thatI've been impressed with, I
would say in the game of golf.
And especially because I thinkthe game of golf, if you if you
don't play with integrity, theonly people that will play with
you are the other people thatdon't play with integrity.
So then you kind of get into thegroups that you know have the
same values in that on thataspect of the game.
SPEAKER_03 (33:03):
It's gonna be a rough day when you see who's on
your list of clients and you'relike, oh.
unknown (33:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
It's gonna be a long day.
And some of them are fun.
Like some of them are greatpeople.
They will just kick the ball outof the rough without people
knowing.
Or you know, or if someone says,Yeah, you got a five there,
right?
And they actually made a six,they'll just go, Oh yeah, five.
There's 20 bucks.
You didn't see that.
Yeah.
So there's definitely a littlebit of that out there as well.
SPEAKER_03 (33:26):
Corey, what's what's your favorite course you've ever
played?
Ever?
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
I think it's probably La Iguana in Costa
Rica.
It was amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
Never heard of that.
SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
It was real it's like through a rainforest,
there's iguanas everywhere.
Oh cool.
Like it was just a it was likeplaying in like Jurassic Park.
SPEAKER_02 (33:44):
So we had that in Hawaii.
We have that in Brookings.
SPEAKER_01 (33:47):
And I haven't I haven't played any golf in
Hawaii besides like one littlenine-hole public course.
SPEAKER_02 (33:52):
No, it was exactly like that, minus the iguanas,
but it Jurassic Park wasliterally filmed over the ridge.
So cool.
And it looked, and you're justlike, this is so freaky.
Where are the dinosaurs comingout?
And it so it was ranked when itopened, I I can't remember.
I think it shut down actually.
It was ranked the toughestcourse in the world when it
opened.
SPEAKER_01 (34:11):
That's yeah, and I can imagine.
I mean, yeah, if you if you missthe fairway, the ball is not
findable.
SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
In the jungle.
I I will put Salmon RenanBrookings up in that category.
I would agree 100%.
SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
It's gotten better, though, I've heard.
I played it the year it opened.
I lost two balls.
SPEAKER_03 (34:26):
It's narrow.
And if you're not on thefairway, you're not finding your
ball.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
Let's go play there.
We're reciprocals with them.
Let's go.
It's got to be the most targetedball.
SPEAKER_03 (34:34):
I have to go to Costco and buy Kirkland balls.
Let's go over there before Iplay Ironwood.
I want to go over there and playthere.
Let's do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a beautiful course.
It's fun, but it's like arainforest.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
I love the layout.
Yeah.
It's tight.
It's just a lot of four ironsoff the T.
I had one of my if you're not.
SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
I actually had my only Eagle on that course.
Oh wow.
No, I actually I've had two.
Two Eagles.
One of them was on that course.
And it was a par five, you know,in theory you should lay up
before the first creek, but Ichallenged it, I got over.
And then in second, you know,your second shot you should lay
(35:10):
up before the second creek.
And I challenged it, I got over.
I was green, I was pin high justoff of the green and chipped it
in from there.
So I I it was I don't rememberwhat hole it was, but it was a
par five along the long windyroad that comes in.
And you have to hit over twocreeks on the fairway.
SPEAKER_01 (35:30):
Moments you'll never forget.
SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
Yeah.
So, Corey, like, if somebodywanted to hire you to be a
caddy, obviously you're with aclub, but like, let's just say
somebody randomly said, Man, Iwant you to caddy for me.
What are you gonna charge themif you just have to drive a
mile?
SPEAKER_01 (35:47):
What's your what's your just for like a one-day
rate?
SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
Yeah, one day rate.
What's that look like for you?
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Um, well, if I'm taking off work, I make about
$300 a day at work.
So it'd probably have to becompared to that or a little
higher, I would think.
SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
And it probably depends on the person too.
I mean, I've taken days off workto go caddy for free for friends
and tournaments, you know.
I just a little different aswell.
SPEAKER_02 (36:07):
And that's a really good deal.
I mean, if you think of it like,so as a pro, I can make money.
If I have a caddy thatlegitimately understands me and
can stay out of my way when Ineed them to stay out of my way,
but but doesn't stay out of myway when they know I need my
help, right?
Or need my help, need help,that's important.
And so if we go to tour caddy infor a minute, that's a different
(36:32):
animal, different beastaltogether.
However, it's not thatdifferent.
You're dealing with differentpersonality traits every day and
all those things.
So, like, how do you become atour caddy?
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
Um, I think it's more of who you know and
actually wanting to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (36:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
Because it's definitely a grind.
You gotta go because you're notgonna start in a bag that makes
money.
SPEAKER_02 (36:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
So you gotta have a couple years that um you're
grinding to build yourreputation on the course, and
you gotta try to help thatperson get better in their
career kind of deal.
Even if they don't wintournaments.
If if they go from like taking ahundred a hundredth place to
fortieth place while you're onthe bag, that's a resume
builder.
SPEAKER_03 (37:10):
Who do you think's more appreciative of caddies in
general?
Is it the completelyinexperienced golfer who shoots
in the hundreds or is it thescratch golfer?
SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
I think it is more determined on who you are as a
person than anything else.
I think you can have both ofthose people be very, very
appreciative of your work andyou can have both those people
not really care at all.
SPEAKER_03 (37:30):
And I'm sure the more experienced golfers tend to
lean on you a little bit more asfar as well, it all depends on
the most experienced ones,though.
SPEAKER_01 (37:37):
Yeah.
Yeah, because some of them theyhave their shot shape and
they're gonna hit that no matterwhat.
So you just give them a numberand they play their shot, you
know.
So but some other people arelike one, like I caddied for um
KJ Choi.
SPEAKER_03 (37:48):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (37:48):
Yeah.
And for I think it was likeseven or eight holes, and he
would have me drop every shot.
Like, hey, what's the perfectshot to hit here?
So I'd say, you know, landlanded at 143 with a three-yard
draw.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, and and it wasincredible how well he could
shape the ball to land on thespot.
It was it was like playing videogame golf with an actual human.
SPEAKER_03 (38:08):
What's the most meaningful story you've had in
all your caddying career?
SPEAKER_01 (38:13):
That is a very tough question.
SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
You don't have to answer that.
SPEAKER_01 (38:18):
I don't know if I have the answer in my head right
now.
What about give me a second?
Let's go back to that at theend.
I'll think about it.
SPEAKER_03 (38:24):
What about one from last year?
Or this last season?
Because you're on break now.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
Um, well, I did I cadied for I'm not gonna give
names, but for a for a high upactor, and everyone would know
his name.
Um, and it was incredible howmuch he treated me like a human.
That's cool.
And like how I was his equal thewhole time.
And it was just mind-opening tome that not all the people from
Hollywood are like above us, Iguess.
(38:50):
Or don't they don't believe thatthey're above us kind of idea?
Yeah, you know, and it wasreally, really cool too.
Just because it was just me andhim for the first nine, and then
we joined up for the group.
So it was literally just me andhim, and we had awesome
conversations.
I helped out his game, he wassuper receptive to like
critiques and whatnot.
It was it was a ton of fun.
SPEAKER_03 (39:07):
Super cool.
SPEAKER_02 (39:08):
So I've heard stories because you just said
treated you like your equal,where at certain golf courses,
if someone has the occasional uhputter throw or club throw, the
caddy will leave the club,right?
Because it's like, hey, I'm notgonna go be your, you know what.
So if that's the case at thehideaway or a private, what's
(39:31):
the policy there?
Is that a the same policy?
Is it a different thing?
How do you treat that?
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
There's not an actual policy for it, but that
that is my policy.
Yeah, yeah.
You throw it, you go get it.
Yeah, I mean, I don't put upwith that shit, you know.
And yeah, if it comes, if itcomes close to hitting me, I'm
gonna say something.
You know, like that's not okaywith me.
Here's your bag, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (39:50):
Have a nice day.
Better luck next door.
We're gonna box.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Yeah.
We work for enough good peoplethat we kind of don't have to
put up with that stuff too much.
SPEAKER_02 (39:58):
You know, it's funny because I think also you're
you're you are dealing with theclubs you've worked at, the
policies are great.
It's like you just treateverybody nicely, right?
That's our our role here, andthat's what I took from Madison
Club.
I mean, the only real thing isto be nice.
So I sat with one of theirfounding founding members going
back to that, and uh, we hadbreakfast together, which was
really dumb considering how muchfood's out on the golf course.
(40:20):
And they gave me a stack ofpancakes that were as big as my
head.
But uh he told me that.
He's like, hey, the rule here isto be nice, and I was like, he's
like, it pertains to everything.
I'm like, yeah, I guess if youdrive in a bunker, that's not
being nice, is it?
So it's the same thing.
Like we at golf garage have thebe nice, you know, thought
process with 42 pages on how tobe nice.
SPEAKER_03 (40:40):
You could just say don't be an a-hole.
SPEAKER_02 (40:41):
That's I could.
We could have shirts that saythat.
SPEAKER_03 (40:44):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's copyright that one ofthe one of the funniest shirts
I've ever seen is at um the FatIrish Kitchen in Brookings.
All the bartenders wear shirtsthat say don't finger your
couple.
SPEAKER_00 (40:58):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
That is funny.
I love it.
I love it.
And of course, one day I pickedup my pint beer glass.
You did it.
You did it.
All the beer spelled out allover the place.
It was a disaster.
Never been there, but it soundsfun.
Oh, it was a it was a blast.
That was that was probably inthe top ten most embarrassing
moments of my life.
(41:21):
I think we got a couple finalquestions for core.
What's your bucket list course?
SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Oh I mean, I guess does on everyone's, that's for
sure.
SPEAKER_03 (41:30):
I got you're wearing the hat right now.
SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
Yeah, I got to go there a couple years ago and to
see it in person.
Really?
It was so much different than itlooks like on TV.
SPEAKER_03 (41:37):
You got to walk it?
SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
Yeah, yeah.
I went to what two practicerounds and the part three
contest.
SPEAKER_03 (41:41):
Did you get to hit it, hit any balls?
SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
No, no, it was just all spectating.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (41:45):
That's super cool though.
I mean, it's it's very hard to,you know, even see that course
in person.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
No doubt.
Yeah.
And then I gotta get out to someof the Montana Mountain courses
too.
Oh, I'm gonna go with you.
I haven't been out to any ofthose yet.
SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
And so you spend a lot of time in Cordelane.
Have you played CordelaneResort?
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
Uh yeah, quite a few times.
Uh huh.
SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
I played it once.
And that that was a how do youcompare that?
Is it is that like is that thebest course in that area, or are
there some private clubs thatare you think top it?
SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
Yeah, there's definitely some private clubs
that are like technicallybetter, but I think like um what
like greens keeping wise andconditions-wise, it's hard to
compete with that place.
Like they do a really good job.
The greens are always amazing,the fairways are always pure.
SPEAKER_03 (42:28):
Um, but like And the iconic island green is something
everybody, whether you know it'scourtalane resort or not, you've
seen that green.
SPEAKER_01 (42:35):
Yeah, and it's it's definitely a fun shot to hit,
especially.
I mean, if it's blowing when ifit's windy, it's intimidating.
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Our caddy when when I played that said, All right,
we we do give some grace onthis.
Everybody gets two shots if youdon't make it to the make it to
the green.
That's called a tip.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
Yeah.
So last time we played it, I wasplaying with one of the members
from Gazer.
He invited me out there and hehit two balls off the dock on
the right that just one hoppedoff in the water and then hold
out the third.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (43:05):
That's really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (43:07):
Yeah, so hey, I think what we got to do is
Pacific University versusLinfield.
I got some friends like so TrowBridge, that was our efficient,
went to Linfield, Jeff Dunn.
Get those two guys, you and I,Pacific, a couple other guys,
and we go get it and we go play.
And we could even maybe getKakula out there and get some
Wellama guys too.
We could do a little uhthree-way action.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
That would be a ton of fun.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Let's get let's do like the old school uh the team
game.
We get five from each one, countfour, just like what we used to
do.
Yeah, just like girltournaments.
Yeah, I want to go one.
SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
Good luck to them.
And so the three of us arecompeting against each other
tonight.
In what?
Men's league.
Let's go.
SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
Men's league.
It's just league.
We've had ladies in it.
Who are you?
What lady?
SPEAKER_03 (43:50):
Go ahead and see.
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Jessica's played.
SPEAKER_03 (43:53):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (43:53):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
She's allowed.
Okay.
Ladies are welcome, sir.
I haven't seen that.
It's all good.
It's all good.
SPEAKER_03 (44:04):
So, what does golf stand for?
SPEAKER_02 (44:06):
Yeah.
unknown (44:07):
Huh?
SPEAKER_02 (44:08):
That.
That?
SPEAKER_03 (44:09):
Okay.
On that note, hopefully, we'regoing to maintain first.
SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
That's going to be tough.
You got some competition.
SPEAKER_02 (44:21):
Yeah.
He's going to go shoot 65 nowbecause he's mad.
I mean, come on, let's go.
Corey, thanks for being on theshow, man.
Go, boxers.
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you guys having me.
Darren, next week, I think uh wegot Don Law off his cruise, but
I'm on vacation.
So we're going to be the weekfollowing.
We got to get Don out there andwe're going to get going on the
(44:42):
uh National Youth PlayerDevelopment Award winner.
SPEAKER_03 (44:45):
Maybe Corey will sit in for you next week.
SPEAKER_02 (44:46):
That would be good.
Go for it.
Sir.
Until next week, take care.
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Welcome to My Golf Source.
What?
One week, two weeks out fromThanksgiving.
Yes, sir.
You ready?
Beautiful fall.
I'm ready.
Are you?
Nope.
SPEAKER_02 (00:27):
I'm ready for vacation.
Where are you going?
Mehco.
That's right.
Yes.
Uh everyone asks me thisquestion, and I always know
where you can't pronounce thename of the city.
Yeah, one of the two.
All I can think of is betweenCancun and Tulum.
And then I finally realize it'sRiviera Maya and it's an
all-inclusive resort.
(00:49):
But the coolest thing about itis I haven't had a vacation in
15 years.
What do you consider a vacation?
SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
Um I was about to say no wife and kids and going
out of town.
Um, but no, that's not truebecause often vacation requires
a wife and kids' presence withyou too.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Probably a smart move if you want to keep the
wife and kids.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09):
You went to Ohio.
Where where were you a few weeksago?
SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Oh, Arizona with the team?
No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
That wasn't a family.
Texas?
Where where were you?
You were somewhere in thesoutheast, weren't you?
SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
I was all over the place.
But I guess what I'm getting atis defining a vacation for
everybody is different.
So we go to uh Michigan inDecember, which number one,
Michigan in December is um greatto see family, but it's also in
a house in negative weather.
(01:43):
So you can only familyobligation.
Yeah, it's it's a little morefamily obligation, great way to
put it.
And it love the family, so it'sso fun.
And then at the end, you'relike, man, I wish we could have
been outside more, right?
That's all that's what it comesdown to.
And then you've got the um theseawesome member trips where it's
like, oh man, I'm going to theDominican or I'm going to a
(02:04):
really nice golf course like apebble beach, and you go do
that, and it was great, but youhad to, yeah, you had to be on.
You you had to make all thereservations, you had to do all
the logistics, you had to write.
Don't you have to do that foryour own vacations anyway?
You do, but unless you're no ahorseman and you hire a travel
agent.
Yeah.
No, I did it all.
No, my wife helped.
Hey, uh, so with that beingsaid.
(02:25):
I go to Santa Barbara tomorrowmorning.
Is that a vacation?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
No, it's work.
However, it's Santa Barbara.
What do I want to do in SantaBarbara?
Golf.
Play golf.
It is gonna be horrific weatherthe whole time I'm oh no.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
What else is there to do?
A golf garage down there?
I wish.
Yeah.
We got to talk about it.
Yeah, let's get one down there.
Hey, so I think what I'm gettingat with this vacation thought
process is it's our vacation andthere are no plans.
We know we're gonna go scubadiving at some point.
Or not scuba diving, uhsnorkeling, I'm afraid of it.
My vacation, damn it.
SPEAKER_03 (03:00):
Yeah, you're not gonna do anything about it.
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
Yeah, and there's an island we might go to.
And I will love it.
And I might play golf if I wantto, but I'm not bringing clubs.
There's no expectation.
Yeah, I will.
And I'll shoot underpine.
I know you will.
It's the game.
PGA of Mexico is there orsomething.
Really?
I don't know.
I looked it up, it wassomething.
PGA Latino, I don't know.
Interested, intrigued.
(03:24):
There's some nice nice horsesthere from what I hear.
Yeah, we'll see.
There's sea turtles and stufftoo.
SPEAKER_03 (03:29):
So the only place in Mexico I've ever been in is uh
Mazatlan.
How was that?
Amazing.
Yeah.
What what do you do?
Um swim, hang out on the beach,drink a lot of tequila.
What side of what side ofMexico's Mazat?
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
Okay.
So yeah, this is first timecrossing the border.
Oh, nice.
That's awesome.
Is it on but it's not in theBaja, it's on the actual
mainland.
It's on the mainland.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Well, you know what's reallycrazy too?
I was looking at weather, andwe've had really, really nice
weather the last couple days,but windy, you know, in the
upper 60s, low 70s.
(04:06):
70 my rule is about wind.
Hit it low.
SPEAKER_03 (04:09):
If it's strong enough to blow the ball off of
your tee, I ain't playing.
Yeah, no joke.
SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
Yeah, so then it gets down to almost like high of
50 when we leave.
So I have a feeling the golfgarage is gonna be blowing up
right when I'm gone.
Yeah, which is totally fine.
We've got awesome staff here.
And uh I don't know if I youknow, we've talked about it.
We have a new operations managerhere.
Brittany.
Brittany.
She's super cool, super cool,makes great old fashioned,
(04:36):
smokes it if you want it.
Okay, yeah.
Big ice cubes.
She already made some uh changesto the bar area and trying to
make us more efficient.
There you go.
Yeah, well, you need that inyour life.
You do.
Yeah, I do.
Man, just gotta keep me incheck.
Yeah, we were doing anorganizational chart today, and
you know, I know that you haveanother podcast too, and you
(04:57):
guys talk about things umbusiness-wise, but you know,
business and golf go hand inhand, not only because people do
business on the golf course orin the golf garage, but just
man, like trying to figure outhow to run a golf garage, and
there are there's nothing likethis in the world to like call
somebody and ask them whatthey're doing is super tough
(05:20):
because there's no software outthere that'll do what we want it
to do.
And I'm going through a point ofsale change right now, and um a
POS change.
POS and we know what that standsfor.
Yes.
And the one that we currentlyhave has just been overpromise,
under deliver, overpromise,under deliver.
And the worst thing about it iswhen you actually have a
problem, they don't pick up thephone.
(05:40):
They don't pick it up, and it'llbe two days.
They are so I had an issue withum some bank stuff.
Like that's really important.
And they even said, hey, if it'sbank stuff, we'll get right back
to you same day.
It was three days later.
I'm like, okay, well, it doesn'tseem like you guys care too
much.
So so unfortunately, kind ofpart of the personal direction.
(06:01):
January 1st.
So if they're listening, January1st.
I don't get it.
You know what?
And I don't mention names or no,I don't get too bitter too
often, obviously.
I love coaching golf and I lovelike serving people, but this is
one of those things where it'slike, man, this is gonna be
super fun trying to put everypiece of the puzzle back
together.
No, it's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (06:21):
I was out working today and I had to swing by and
pick up some paperwork at a jobI was at for a client.
So I called the client, I said,Hey, I'm on my way down to your
office with the paperwork.
And he's all oh well, I'm I'mI'm just I just left the office.
I'm like, damn you.
Why why you gotta do that?
He's all leave it at the frontdesk.
I said, Where are you going?
(06:41):
He said, Golf garage.
I'm like, so am I.
We'll just meet there.
I'm not going to your office.
SPEAKER_02 (06:47):
What are the odds?
So that's awesome.
You know what's cool?
We're starting to get into a lotmore programming.
I got the 365-day plan down thisFriday.
We're we're doing a new thingcalled bourbon and bombs.
SPEAKER_03 (06:59):
I just saw that and I'm so bummed I'm not gonna be
here for it.
Wish you were gonna be here.
So we uh because that's right upmy alley.
SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Yeah, we just wanted a small, intimate group, and
what we're gonna do is uh Mattand I are gonna assess them and
we're gonna put them through theringer on the assessment, but
immediately give them actionablesteps to hit it farther.
I bet you we get somebody that'sat 10 to 15 yards further in
less than an hour.
And then at the end, littlesocial activity where they're
gonna get a flight of bourbonand we get to drink that
(07:26):
together and talk a little bitabout it.
And you have a backwards, myfriend.
You gotta do that before theassessment.
It just depends on if you'renervous or not, you know.
So I want to make sure that weget them that distance.
How about this one?
I had a a student in Ohio thatum came to me probably his 10th
instructor, maybe even more.
(07:47):
Um, you know, well off family,could go to whoever he wanted
to, had definitely had a prettygood resume of coaches that he
had seen.
And we'll never forget it.
And he just was like, I justwant to get better, I want to
shave three shots.
He's like a 14-year-old.
SPEAKER_03 (08:04):
What was his name that we talked to last week?
SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Oh, are you talking about uh New York?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:11):
Yeah, what a what about it?
He said that he he had he hadgiven lessons to a guy who had
had a hundred lessons before.
Oh, and the and the old coachsaid, Well, you're gonna have to
get worse before you get better.
Let's get your money back.
SPEAKER_02 (08:27):
Yeah, no joke.
No, this is different.
So this has to do with drinking.
So I I figured you're oh, eyeswent up.
No, so he would play golf, andwhen he played golf, he would
drink with his buddies.
And um, when he'd come into alesson, he would come in and be
completely sober, and then hewould have a drink after and
start playing golf.
(08:47):
And so I started talking to himabout it, and I and you could
tell that he was frustrated inthe lessons.
We had about three lessonsbefore I said, Hey, look, I know
that you have a couple drinksout there with your buddies.
Why are you learning withouthaving a couple drinks in your
system before you play?
SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
That's the last thing that a drunk needs to be
told is have another drink.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
I never said that you did.
So the greatest thing about thiswas he looks at me and said,
That's a great call.
SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
Like he literally give me a drink of that idea.
SPEAKER_02 (09:23):
So so then he goes down to the bar right then,
because we're at the privateclub, brings a drink back and
starts playing.
He immediately relaxes,immediately hits it better.
Like everything was in his headabout this is how he does it,
right?
So that you know, somethingabout the chemistry, right?
So then I'll never forget ittoo, was after that, because he
(09:44):
was relaxed, I could actuallyenjoy the lesson.
And the next lesson he comes in,he wasn't hitting it well, he
wasn't hitting it well.
And I was like, What are yougood at all the time?
And he's like, Oh, putting.
Nobody can beat me at putting.
Like, okay.
So I watched him putt, and hisleft foot, right before he
pulled the trigger, his toewould go up.
(10:05):
And I had never seen that happenwith anybody before, not like
that.
It was like his trigger to pullthe to to go.
And I was like, Hey, did youknow that your toe moves when
you putt?
He's like, Yeah.
I was like, Well, in your fullswing, do you know that your toe
doesn't move before you hit?
He's like, No.
(10:26):
It's like you're gonna startmoving your toe before you hit.
Instantly he started striping itbecause it got him into emotion
and it was his trigger.
Golf is a funny mental game.
Well, what other triggers areout there, like waggling your
butt, right?
Waggling the club.
For him, it was waggling histoe, and I just thought that was
a pattern.
SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
Yeah, I'm just uh I blink real hard before.
SPEAKER_02 (10:45):
There you go.
So between drinking and wigglinghis toe, he became a really good
golfer and he shaved threeshots.
SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
I knew a guy who insists on clearing his throat
before he swings.
You?
No.
SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
You're legitimately that's a thing?
SPEAKER_03 (11:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he lit he literally clearedhis throat every time right
before he swung.
Did everybody around him noticedit but him?
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
I have a question for you.
So how important do you think itis to have a caddy on the back?
SPEAKER_03 (11:25):
Oh man.
Well, to have fun?
No.
To have more fun?
100%.
Well, and and and if you if youwant to shoot a better score,
look, it just makes sense thathaving an expert there to kind
of help you along the way andand and and lie to your face and
make you feel good aboutyourself is always a good thing.
(11:46):
That's half the battle, right?
It is.
You know what?
And a good caddy will always lieto you and say, what a great
shot.
Man, I've caddied a little bitand it's hard work.
Another thing a good caddy willdo is when you're 150 yards out,
he'll tell you you're 190 yardsout to get you to pick the right
club because he knows nobodyhits it as far as they say they
(12:07):
need to go.
SPEAKER_02 (12:08):
Man, with that being said, we have to welcome our
guest to the show, professionalcaddy Corey Maranau.
SPEAKER_01 (12:17):
Welcome to the show.
You guys can't be giving awayour tricks like that.
What are we doing here?
SPEAKER_03 (12:23):
Hey, it's just general observation.
SPEAKER_02 (12:26):
That's all.
Oh my gosh.
You know what's cool aboutCorey?
He's a golf garage member, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
Two months out of the year, he's a golf garage
member.
And what's even cooler aboutCorey is I barely knew this guy
last year, and he came down,went out of his way on his way
down to Palm Springs, and met usin Santa Barbara for a round of
golf at Sandpiper, and it wasjust a killer experience, even
though we didn't quite get tofinish because it got dark.
SPEAKER_01 (12:51):
Such a fun round, though.
SPEAKER_02 (12:52):
So I was just gonna ask you.
So was it though?
I mean, you gotta was was Darrenuh keeping his composure out on
the golf course?
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
You know, you gotta put up with a few things with
this guy, but in general, Iwould say we had a good time.
SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
It applies to caddies too.
They can't talk, they can't talkabout their patience in the golf
course.
SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
I love that.
So, Corey, you've been at acouple different golf courses in
your career.
Can you kind of just kind ofwalk us through where you
started in caddying and and thenhow you got to the the private
club that you're at now?
SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Uh yeah.
So I started out at Bandon Dunesgolf course after college.
It's not a bad place to be.
Yeah, I kind of just threw mydegree to the side and decided
that I was gonna stick with golfand try to get better and keep
keep going, keep playing.
SPEAKER_03 (13:35):
That's why he's not married.
There is a reason.
Maybe more than one.
I love it.
I don't know a wife that wouldsay, okay, throw away your
college education to play golf.
SPEAKER_02 (13:44):
Oh man, how many years were you at Bandon?
I was five summers.
Oh man.
So did you get out right away ordid you have to sit the ride the
pine for a while?
How'd that go?
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
Um, I definitely had to grind a little bit, no doubt.
Yeah.
And we got enough work to makemoney and pay the bills, but it
wasn't like we're stacking a lotof cash when you first get
there.
But then once you get in withthe caddy master and whatnot,
and they start trusting yourwork and you start working with
caddies who have been there for10, 12 years, and then they kind
of reference you and kind ofputs you onto other jobs and
whatnot.
And once you get into that, thenit really starts piling up, and
(14:15):
then you have almost too muchwork to where you have to turn
down requests and all that typeof stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
How do you feel about double bagging?
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
It's so much better than single bagging.
What?
Yes.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (14:25):
Is it because your your shoulders are level or is
it?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:28):
Our legs are all fine.
We know we go, we play, we caddy36 and then go play nine
afterwards.
That makes sense.
It's easier.
It's way more about having theback steady than the weight.
SPEAKER_03 (14:38):
It's easier to carry two big buckets of water than
one.
Yeah.
No doubt.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
Uh-huh.
Same idea.
SPEAKER_02 (14:44):
Hey, so how well do you know Shu?
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
Uh very well.
SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
So I will tell you that um one of my college
teammates was one of Shu'soriginal 10.
Really?
Yeah.
His name's Dave Bloomquist andstill really good friends.
He lives in Vegas now.
But uh every time I go toBandon, I take a picture with
Shue and send it to Dave, andthen vice versa.
We've FaceTime before.
That guy is just legendary.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
Yeah, he's one of the main guys that helped me get
down to the desert in the firstplace.
Oh, is that right?
So yeah, I got to Rolling Hillsin the first uh was my first
spot outside of Bandon, whichwas a Jason McClay kid remodel.
So that's how I found out aboutit because obviously the first
Bandadunes course is my kid.
It's in um LA area, PallasVerdes.
Oh, yeah.
Up on the hill above LA.
SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
Is that public or private?
It's private.
SPEAKER_01 (15:29):
It's another yeah, fairly nice private club.
And uh it was amazing there.
We were actually like the firstthree or four caddies.
We all came from Bandon, me, meand three buddies, basically.
SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
And we kind of was that opening a few years back.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Oh man, I wish I it was a remodel.
So it had already been, and thenthey got a lot more land, made a
big clubhouse.
It was like a rock quarry area,and they turned it into like a
link style course with likebackstops and side stops, and it
used to be just like a normal,straight up kind of country
club, shorter freelanced.
SPEAKER_02 (15:56):
Some big money games out there.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
It's a lot different than any other courses in the
area for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
Oh, that's awesome.
And then where do you go toafter that?
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
Uh then from there I ended up down at the hideaway,
and I've been there now forwhat, five winters, and then I
kind of jump around to otherclubs in the area whenever they
need you as well.
That's a nice thing.
All the member guests kind ofgather all the caddies from the
area.
SPEAKER_03 (16:17):
And so there's such a big, you know, more golf
courses per capita than anywhereelse.
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
Something like 250.
I don't know the exact numbers,but yeah, it's something
incredible.
SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
Are are there just for some inside knowledge, are
there a lot of common ownershipgroups between them or are they
all separate, doing their ownthing and competing?
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
I'm sure it's a little of both, and I'm not too
into the business aspect of anyof it.
That's too much.
Yeah.
I'm I'm more just work for theindividuals and you know they
call you, or I have one caddymaster and he'll assign you
loops as well.
But other than that, I'm not toointo how all the how they're
intertwined and whatnot.
SPEAKER_03 (16:53):
How many NDAs have you had to sign?
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Um actually zero.
SPEAKER_03 (16:57):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (16:58):
Oh, pair game we can ask anything and everything.
All right.
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna beable to do that.
Are we ready?
You have the 20 questions.
SPEAKER_01 (17:05):
I will lose a lot of reputation if I do any of that
stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
I'm thinking through a lot of them right now.
SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
Yeah, I've signed plenty in my own brain, that's
for sure.
SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
You've signed plenty with a handshake.
SPEAKER_02 (17:14):
Yeah.
I love it.
So the hideaway is a phenomenalclub, and I know a few members
down there too.
And the old general manager fromRogue Valley Country Club used
to be down there.
Um it's kind of like the sisterclub to Madison Club, too.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
Yeah, it's literally right next door.
It's one block over.
SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
Have you gotten a chance to play Madison?
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
Yep.
I one of the guys that I workedfor in the member guest brought
me out for a couple practicerounds to learn the course
before I worked for him.
What was your favorite food?
Oh man.
Did you have you have to pickone?
I know.
You can't pick one.
Their sliders at the turn aredelicious.
SPEAKER_02 (17:46):
The Kobe beef slider.
So good.
Did you get an ice creamsandwich?
SPEAKER_01 (17:50):
Um, I skipped out.
SPEAKER_02 (17:51):
Oh, I was good that day.
Dude, honestly, one of myfavorite things when I went and
it was early on um the whenCasamigos was still part of the
ownership group.
And I don't know if they arenow, but man, that Casamigos
slushy machine, do they stillhave it's amazing.
The margarita machine.
Yeah, two dacky and margarita.
They got like three differentflavors now.
SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
You get like a quarter of an ounce of tequila
per pint.
SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
I don't know what it is, but all I know is I was a
happy boy when I was hitting thedrive on 18.
And the ladies there will talkmore for you if you need a
little more.
It's not quite.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Basically, the top shelf isavailable at your discretion at
any time at that golf course.
You just open, you just open itand do your thing.
Just like it is at the golfgarage.
Yeah, exactly.
I love that.
There's the analogy, right?
(18:34):
You know what though?
The Madison Club service is whatI strive to be every day.
So quick story on that, and youknow it.
But drive in, there's no sign,at least there wasn't when I
came in.
You go in, this little pebbledrive that's phenomenal.
It's like out of uh, I don'tknow, dude, somewhere in Europe.
And armed guard, we had a dog.
(18:55):
The dude took a mirror around mycar and said, do not turn off
this road, go straight until thevery end, and you will run into
the clubhouse.
SPEAKER_01 (19:05):
That's a little different than the caddy
entrance.
SPEAKER_02 (19:07):
Oh, yeah.
I bet.
I bet.
He said, literally, do not turnoff.
That's how he said it to me.
It was very stern.
I'm like, okay.
So I get there and we had twoattendants at the door.
Uh, one came to my front and onecame to the back.
And I had, I think I've saidthis story on on this air
before, but I had a full loadbecause we were in San Diego at
the time.
So the car was just destroyed.
(19:28):
I'm like, this is embarrassing,but took the bag, took it,
greeted me by name because theyknew from the security, then you
go inside.
No, it was so cool becauseeveryone greeted you by name and
you got walked in because youweren't a member.
So how many guests are being youknow playing there that day?
And the best thing I would thatanyone ever said to me was I'd
say it was a half hour after Iwalked through the clubhouse.
(19:49):
I go into the golf shop and thebuyer there says, uh, good
morning, Mr.
Horseman.
What can I help you find today?
And I was like, Oh, yeah, I'mbuying like eight things.
Like, I mean, just to havesomebody ask you in a way that
doesn't allow you to say no, Imean, that's like caddying,
right?
Like, I mean, you're in it tomake money because that's your
(20:09):
job, and you're in it forrelationships and you're in it
for all these cool thingsbecause it's a great, it's just
a cool experience.
But like, you know, what are thelike there's gotta be some
go-tos for you as a caddy thatyou're like, hey, I'm gonna bet
the guy and you know, the othercaddy on, you know, my guy
behind the scenes, or I'm gonnalike, how do I I know this guy,
(20:29):
and there's some ways I can getmore tips, or like, I mean, is
is that kind of a thing?
SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
Uh yeah, one of the main games we play is the last
ball in the hole.
So actually, I sorry, theopposite of that.
The first ball in the hole.
First ball.
Okay.
So if if someone lags one upthere and someone gives it to
them and they don't tap it in,that doesn't count.
It's gotta actually go in thehole.
SPEAKER_02 (20:48):
And you can't encourage it if you can't say
anything.
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
So it's all about them whether they give gimme's
or not, or if they have to makea bit long putt.
So it's it has almost nothing todo with their skill level.
What if they give it but theytap it in?
Uh it's fine, that counts.
It's dude.
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
So so it's you can totally be like, hey, tap it in,
okay?
I'll give you a little cut onthe side.
Big time.
SPEAKER_01 (21:07):
Oh, I would totally say that.
SPEAKER_03 (21:08):
It's only six inches.
You got this, just tap it in forgood feelings.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Yep, and technically the rule is you can't talk to
them other than that kind ofencouragement.
Well, make that make that forgood luck or whatever.
Or you love that sound, tap thatin, you know.
Yeah, but you can't say it likethat.
We're actually betting on it inthe background, you know.
So it's a pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03 (21:24):
Oh, yeah.
It's game, it's helpful.
SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
Man, that's cool.
Well, so how many loops are youout there now?
I mean, you said winners and youknow, at hideaway.
So are you getting out everyday?
Are you trying to grind itthrough the season?
What do you what do you like todo for you?
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
Um, I like to play golf.
So if I have a day off, I justgo play.
Um, I'm not too worried aboutit.
But if I was worried aboutplaying every day, I could
contact other caddy mastersaround and get more work when
it's not at our course.
But I bet I work five to sixdays a week.
unknown (21:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:56):
Most of the year, yeah.
That's good, man.
I love hearing that.
It's super fun.
What's your favorite thing aboutcaddy?
SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
Oh, that's I it's gotta be the relationships.
Yeah.
And just learning about theworld and learning where
everyone comes from.
Because especially at Bandon,you caddy for people.
I mean, it's amazing how manyother countries even come to
Oregon to play golf.
It it's kind of mind blowing.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
How many days a week do you do two rounds?
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Um, right now, not so many because there's not as
much daylight down south.
SPEAKER_03 (22:24):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
So we'll probably have maybe I don't know, one a
week at most, probably somethinglike that.
But we'll but at Band at Bandon,it's uh just a grind.
So yeah, whatever your groupcomes like, so you get assigned
to a group, and if your groupcomes in and plays eight rounds
in four days, then you're goingwith them the whole time.
SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
Okay, so you're but they could have six holes every
single day.
SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Yeah, but they could come in and play one round every
day, and then you can go in andtry to pick up a second in the
background.
SPEAKER_03 (22:48):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:49):
That's pretty exciting.
So have you obviously you'regood at building relationships,
right?
You don't get to a club likeHideaway without that and Bandon
and all that.
That's so, so exciting.
Um, but have you ever been askedto like fly private or anything
crazy like, hey, fly to my otherclub and you're gonna caddy for
me in this or that?
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
Uh a couple stories, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (23:10):
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (23:11):
Pretty fun.
Uh yeah, it's it's it's fun, butyou also have to keep yourself
in the world that you're in.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03 (23:17):
Anyway what was that?
Any you can mention?
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Uh yeah.
I I mean I got I got flown outto Vegas and got to play Shadow
Creek a couple times from one ofthe Rolling Hill members, and
that was just mind-blowing.
You know, staying in the nicehotel way up top.
I think it was the MGM hotelthat we stayed in and got to go
see like a couple of differentplays or whatnot.
The and then yeah, got to playthose two courses and play or
Shadow Creek twice.
(23:41):
The the second round was justmyself and a caddy from Bandon
that I knew.
His name's Andre.
SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
Have you ever tried to sell it to your client?
Say, hey, I've never played thiscourse before.
You flew me out here to caddyfor you.
I need to go have a practiceround so I know what to tell
you.
SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
There is a skill to that for sure.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
No doubt.
How about East Coast?
Have you gotten out there yet?
SPEAKER_01 (24:01):
Uh I not even a little bit.
No, I went out for in highschool just to like see the
sites, like Washington DC on aschool trip, but I haven't been.
SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
You have any eligibility left for college?
SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
Um, no.
I played all four years.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Man.
Where'd you play at?
SPEAKER_01 (24:14):
Uh Pacific University.
Yeah.
Up up in Forest Grove.
That's right.
West of Portland.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (24:18):
You knew that, right?
Yeah.
Kakula too, right?
No, Kakula was Willamette.
Yeah.
Oh, he was the enemy.
I was I was his golf coach for acouple years up there.
It was a it was definitely funnywhen you're uh in the same
conference, but uh Kakula was astud muffin.
Did you guys play the same time?
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Uh not quite.
We might have played a couple.
I was 20 um 17.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Yeah, that's right.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (24:39):
Yeah, so we might have played a little bit, but we
never played in the same groupor anything.
I when I got in, I was like alike four or five player.
So I'm sure he was the top thewhole way through.
He's he's a stud.
SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
He was uh he was number one, definitely.
So in your heart.
SPEAKER_03 (24:53):
Yeah.
Tell me this, because I I mean Ithink I kind of know the answer
to it, but I just wanted to beencouraging to anybody listening
to this podcast.
Out at some of these prestigiousclubs, what percentage of the
golfers that you caddy for canbreak 90?
I love that question.
SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
Um maybe 10%?
What percentage can break 90%?
Maybe 20 at some courses.
I mean it related to Yeah, it'sit's a lot of older golfers, and
you know, they're playing the upT's, so then they have a pretty
good chance or whatnot.
SPEAKER_03 (25:26):
So if you're still that golfer who's shooting 105,
110, don't let it don't let yourinability to play golf scare you
from playing a beautiful golf.
SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
No, you can still have so much fun out there.
And I I would argue that thepeople that's laughed at.
Yeah, and I would argue that thepeople that shoot over 100 have
a lot more fun than the peoplewho shoot two or three under a
lot of the times that I caddyfor, you know.
A lot of the times it's a lotmore fun to shoot for four
people at a bachelor party or tocaddy for four people at a
bachelor party than it is tocaddy for a big money match, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
How about how about this?
How many people between you knowthat you're caddying for are
playing premium golf balls likepro v1, tp five, or they do they
know what they need to play?
Or do they go by the case?
SPEAKER_01 (26:07):
I'd say like Gauzer and Hideaway, it's probably 80%
are good.
But there's also always thosepeople that just don't care at
all and will grab a sleeve oftop flights and not know the
difference, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Probably the fun ones that throw the snakes out
at your legs.
Yeah, they can probably seethose as well.
SPEAKER_03 (26:25):
What pond on what hole on what course would be the
best one to go on to findpremium golf balls?
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Man, left side of Bandon on those cliffs.
There's a couple spots you cankind of jump off.
And once again, this was fiveyears ago.
I don't even the gorse.
The wind direction problems.
The gorse might have overgrownnow.
I don't know, but there weresome good spots off those
cliffsides there.
SPEAKER_02 (26:42):
That's awesome.
Where do you get where do youfind the best caddy game in the
country?
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
Uh it's tough to beat Palm Springs.
Yeah.
I mean, and I don't know aboutthe country because I'm not I
haven't been everywhere, but outof the three that I've seen, and
I mean Bandit has a ton of goodplayers too, but Palm Springs
has a lot of have you playedunder the lights?
SPEAKER_02 (26:59):
Uh a lot, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Uh Muni Madness with Schuster, so much fun.
SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
Did I tell you about my experience there?
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
Uh no.
SPEAKER_02 (27:06):
So I've had one experience under the lights with
my buddy Brian Trowbridge.
Um, he was my assistant atWillamette, and that's where we
met.
He would then was the officiantat our wedding.
So we we go way back.
He comes down, we stay withColin Tucker, who's at Vintage
Club.
Yep.
So we're I know him as well.
So C Tuck met us out there, anduh I'll never forget it because
(27:26):
you pay in, didn't know what toexpect.
First hole, it is ripping leftto right, probably sustained 35
that day.
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
And those winds get crazy out there, and there's not
a whole lot to stomp them inthat that area.
They're gonna be able to dothat.
SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
I had knocked down eight iron from whatever 110
yards or whatever that hole wasto 15 feet.
And I was second to last toputt.
So nobody was razzing me toomuch because I'm new guy on the
block.
Drain it.
Right.
So keep going.
My buddy on the back.
(28:00):
Oh, and this was carryover, bythe way.
Like nobody had gotten skin orlike uh the honey a hole in one
pot in like I don't know, amonth.
So they added money to it.
Yep.
Trowbridge knocks it in the holeon like the 12th hole for a hole
in one.
SPEAKER_01 (28:12):
That is huge.
SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah.
And then he gets another skindown the road.
So one, the hole one, holds up,he gets hole in one and a skin.
We come out, and only one otherguy made money, and we're
together, so we're flashing allthis cash for the picture with
Schuster.
And uh, dude, we basically gotbooed off stage at that night
because everyone was so mad.
(28:34):
The new guys on the block camein.
And I mean, there's guys fromjunior golf I played with in
Oregon that were down there thatwere pros, and I mean a lot of
caddies, obviously, and just youknow, just the standards.
But it it is such a coolexperience.
If you have not done Muni underthe lights, that is like a
bucket list for a golfer.
SPEAKER_01 (28:50):
No doubt, especially on those Muni Madness nights
when you play as all one biggroup.
Huge.
SPEAKER_02 (28:54):
Yeah, so then we went back around and did the the
one big group.
That was so much fun.
SPEAKER_01 (28:58):
Yeah, what two rules, no, no practice swings
and no posing.
Yes.
You just get up there, hit ashot, get out of the way, and
then out of the group of 20.
It's yeah, it's one of the best,most enjoyable like golf
experiences.
SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
And then the lights go off.
Yeah, and it's and it's like,oh, time to go in.
Right at 10 o'clock.
Yeah, bang.
So much fun, man.
SPEAKER_03 (29:17):
So yeah, swing your driver, you're watching it go,
and the lights go off.
You're like, oh.
SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
Uh huh.
Yeah, it is a blast.
And I mean, just golf down thereis pure too.
Um, have you played vintage?
Uh, I have not got out thereyet.
No, all right.
That'll be something that we'llhave to do.
SPEAKER_01 (29:31):
I'm gonna it's on the list for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
I'm going down to Ironwood December 17th to play
in the Taylor May TP classic.
Um, never played Ironwood, heardit's a good track.
SPEAKER_01 (29:40):
I've been out there once.
What do you think?
I love the track, it wasawesome, but the greens were
incredibly firm.
SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
Okay, what do I have to do to get ready for that?
I've only got a month aftervacation.
SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
Uh, I just work on that landing spot because you're
gonna have to land on the frontedge of the green.
If it's if it's anything like Ithink it was probably three
years ago that I played it.
SPEAKER_02 (29:56):
How are the fairways pretty pretty wide open?
SPEAKER_01 (29:58):
Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about.
Is it a true desert course or isit more Yeah, if you missed big,
then you're in the rocks orwhatnot.
But you don't have that problem.
We'll be all right.
We'll be all right.
SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
When when you're caddying, do you often give like
coaching tips?
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
It all depends on the person.
SPEAKER_03 (30:14):
To people.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
And that's something that I that's something that I
really have learned is the mostimportant part about caddying,
is letting them come to you.
Right.
And because when I firststarted, I treated myself as the
expert because I kind of wascompared to the people that I
was caddying for.
SPEAKER_03 (30:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
But then once you like pretend like they're the
pro and then have them ask you aquestion eventually and then
answer it correctly, then theykind of move towards your
direction and want more from youkind of deal.
SPEAKER_03 (30:38):
What's the most what's the most common mistake
you see in amateur golfers?
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
I mean, definitely just the over-the-top move from
baseball, yes.
The uh hardcore slice that I'llI'll second that.
Yes, I I think what 80% of newgolfers have that miss in
general.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
So here's a question for you.
Like caddying, right?
Let's say you can do it tillyou're 50.
Maybe.
Like, how long do you want acaddy for?
And what's your what's yourgoal?
Do you have do you have like a adream job?
Is there something you want?
Like, what are you looking atright now?
SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
There'll be a four caddy in a cart, right?
Right.
There you go.
SPEAKER_02 (31:14):
You can just do that.
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
You could be shoo.
Yeah, and just keep doing it.
Um I I really want to start afamily.
And I want to get back to thevalley here.
And because I the community hereis just special to me,
especially because growing uphere and all my friends are here
and whatnot.
And so that's kind of my plansin the next few years to save up
enough to get back here.
I literally have no idea what Iwant to do though.
SPEAKER_02 (31:35):
Would uh the golf industry still keep you in the
loop?
Is that what you're looking for?
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
Or are you looking at like I'm well open to it, but
I'm also open to other thingstoo.
SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
Cool.
What's your degree in?
SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
Uh biology.
SPEAKER_02 (31:47):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Yeah.
So I could always go back to theschool as well, but I was pretty
schooled out after the fouryears, so I don't know if that's
a in the cards or not.
SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
And you're you're crater grad, right?
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
2013.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
You and Matt Preston.
SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
Matt was one year older than me.
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (32:02):
It's pretty good.
I'm gonna ask another questionabout caddying because I'm so
intrigued by the people who youget to meet every day while
you're doing your job.
Golf, as we all know andbelieve, is a game of integrity.
Do you still believe that?
SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Oh, well, to its core, yes.
Do people play with integrity?
No.
SPEAKER_03 (32:21):
Okay.
Is is there anyone, and and I donot want you to mention any
names or even allude to who itmay be, but have you played with
anybody who might be well knownor powerful?
Um who you were just verydisappointed in their demeanor,
integrity?
SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
Uh yes, for sure.
Okay.
But there's also a lot more thatI've been impressed with, I
would say in the game of golf.
And especially because I thinkthe game of golf, if you if you
don't play with integrity, theonly people that will play with
you are the other people thatdon't play with integrity.
So then you kind of get into thegroups that you know have the
same values in that on thataspect of the game.
SPEAKER_03 (33:03):
It's gonna be a rough day when you see who's on
your list of clients and you'relike, oh.
unknown (33:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
It's gonna be a long day.
And some of them are fun.
Like some of them are greatpeople.
They will just kick the ball outof the rough without people
knowing.
Or you know, or if someone says,Yeah, you got a five there,
right?
And they actually made a six,they'll just go, Oh yeah, five.
There's 20 bucks.
You didn't see that.
Yeah.
So there's definitely a littlebit of that out there as well.
SPEAKER_03 (33:26):
Corey, what's what's your favorite course you've ever
played?
Ever?
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
I think it's probably La Iguana in Costa
Rica.
It was amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (33:36):
Never heard of that.
SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
It was real it's like through a rainforest,
there's iguanas everywhere.
Oh cool.
Like it was just a it was likeplaying in like Jurassic Park.
SPEAKER_02 (33:44):
So we had that in Hawaii.
We have that in Brookings.
SPEAKER_01 (33:47):
And I haven't I haven't played any golf in
Hawaii besides like one littlenine-hole public course.
SPEAKER_02 (33:52):
No, it was exactly like that, minus the iguanas,
but it Jurassic Park wasliterally filmed over the ridge.
So cool.
And it looked, and you're justlike, this is so freaky.
Where are the dinosaurs comingout?
And it so it was ranked when itopened, I I can't remember.
I think it shut down actually.
It was ranked the toughestcourse in the world when it
opened.
SPEAKER_01 (34:11):
That's yeah, and I can imagine.
I mean, yeah, if you if you missthe fairway, the ball is not
findable.
SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
In the jungle.
I I will put Salmon RenanBrookings up in that category.
I would agree 100%.
SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
It's gotten better, though, I've heard.
I played it the year it opened.
I lost two balls.
SPEAKER_03 (34:26):
It's narrow.
And if you're not on thefairway, you're not finding your
ball.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
Let's go play there.
We're reciprocals with them.
Let's go.
It's got to be the most targetedball.
SPEAKER_03 (34:34):
I have to go to Costco and buy Kirkland balls.
Let's go over there before Iplay Ironwood.
I want to go over there and playthere.
Let's do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a beautiful course.
It's fun, but it's like arainforest.
SPEAKER_01 (34:44):
I love the layout.
Yeah.
It's tight.
It's just a lot of four ironsoff the T.
I had one of my if you're not.
SPEAKER_03 (34:50):
I actually had my only Eagle on that course.
Oh wow.
No, I actually I've had two.
Two Eagles.
One of them was on that course.
And it was a par five, you know,in theory you should lay up
before the first creek, but Ichallenged it, I got over.
And then in second, you know,your second shot you should lay
(35:10):
up before the second creek.
And I challenged it, I got over.
I was green, I was pin high justoff of the green and chipped it
in from there.
So I I it was I don't rememberwhat hole it was, but it was a
par five along the long windyroad that comes in.
And you have to hit over twocreeks on the fairway.
SPEAKER_01 (35:30):
Moments you'll never forget.
SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
Yeah.
So, Corey, like, if somebodywanted to hire you to be a
caddy, obviously you're with aclub, but like, let's just say
somebody randomly said, Man, Iwant you to caddy for me.
What are you gonna charge themif you just have to drive a
mile?
SPEAKER_01 (35:47):
What's your what's your just for like a one-day
rate?
SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
Yeah, one day rate.
What's that look like for you?
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Um, well, if I'm taking off work, I make about
$300 a day at work.
So it'd probably have to becompared to that or a little
higher, I would think.
SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
And it probably depends on the person too.
I mean, I've taken days off workto go caddy for free for friends
and tournaments, you know.
I just a little different aswell.
SPEAKER_02 (36:07):
And that's a really good deal.
I mean, if you think of it like,so as a pro, I can make money.
If I have a caddy thatlegitimately understands me and
can stay out of my way when Ineed them to stay out of my way,
but but doesn't stay out of myway when they know I need my
help, right?
Or need my help, need help,that's important.
And so if we go to tour caddy infor a minute, that's a different
(36:32):
animal, different beastaltogether.
However, it's not thatdifferent.
You're dealing with differentpersonality traits every day and
all those things.
So, like, how do you become atour caddy?
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
Um, I think it's more of who you know and
actually wanting to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (36:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
Because it's definitely a grind.
You gotta go because you're notgonna start in a bag that makes
money.
SPEAKER_02 (36:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
So you gotta have a couple years that um you're
grinding to build yourreputation on the course, and
you gotta try to help thatperson get better in their
career kind of deal.
Even if they don't wintournaments.
If if they go from like taking ahundred a hundredth place to
fortieth place while you're onthe bag, that's a resume
builder.
SPEAKER_03 (37:10):
Who do you think's more appreciative of caddies in
general?
Is it the completelyinexperienced golfer who shoots
in the hundreds or is it thescratch golfer?
SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
I think it is more determined on who you are as a
person than anything else.
I think you can have both ofthose people be very, very
appreciative of your work andyou can have both those people
not really care at all.
SPEAKER_03 (37:30):
And I'm sure the more experienced golfers tend to
lean on you a little bit more asfar as well, it all depends on
the most experienced ones,though.
SPEAKER_01 (37:37):
Yeah.
Yeah, because some of them theyhave their shot shape and
they're gonna hit that no matterwhat.
So you just give them a numberand they play their shot, you
know.
So but some other people arelike one, like I caddied for um
KJ Choi.
SPEAKER_03 (37:48):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (37:48):
Yeah.
And for I think it was likeseven or eight holes, and he
would have me drop every shot.
Like, hey, what's the perfectshot to hit here?
So I'd say, you know, landlanded at 143 with a three-yard
draw.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, and and it wasincredible how well he could
shape the ball to land on thespot.
It was it was like playing videogame golf with an actual human.
SPEAKER_03 (38:08):
What's the most meaningful story you've had in
all your caddying career?
SPEAKER_01 (38:13):
That is a very tough question.
SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
You don't have to answer that.
SPEAKER_01 (38:18):
I don't know if I have the answer in my head right
now.
What about give me a second?
Let's go back to that at theend.
I'll think about it.
SPEAKER_03 (38:24):
What about one from last year?
Or this last season?
Because you're on break now.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
Um, well, I did I cadied for I'm not gonna give
names, but for a for a high upactor, and everyone would know
his name.
Um, and it was incredible howmuch he treated me like a human.
That's cool.
And like how I was his equal thewhole time.
And it was just mind-opening tome that not all the people from
Hollywood are like above us, Iguess.
(38:50):
Or don't they don't believe thatthey're above us kind of idea?
Yeah, you know, and it wasreally, really cool too.
Just because it was just me andhim for the first nine, and then
we joined up for the group.
So it was literally just me andhim, and we had awesome
conversations.
I helped out his game, he wassuper receptive to like
critiques and whatnot.
It was it was a ton of fun.
SPEAKER_03 (39:07):
Super cool.
SPEAKER_02 (39:08):
So I've heard stories because you just said
treated you like your equal,where at certain golf courses,
if someone has the occasional uhputter throw or club throw, the
caddy will leave the club,right?
Because it's like, hey, I'm notgonna go be your, you know what.
So if that's the case at thehideaway or a private, what's
(39:31):
the policy there?
Is that a the same policy?
Is it a different thing?
How do you treat that?
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
There's not an actual policy for it, but that
that is my policy.
Yeah, yeah.
You throw it, you go get it.
Yeah, I mean, I don't put upwith that shit, you know.
And yeah, if it comes, if itcomes close to hitting me, I'm
gonna say something.
You know, like that's not okaywith me.
Here's your bag, sir.
SPEAKER_02 (39:50):
Have a nice day.
Better luck next door.
We're gonna box.
SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Yeah.
We work for enough good peoplethat we kind of don't have to
put up with that stuff too much.
SPEAKER_02 (39:58):
You know, it's funny because I think also you're
you're you are dealing with theclubs you've worked at, the
policies are great.
It's like you just treateverybody nicely, right?
That's our our role here, andthat's what I took from Madison
Club.
I mean, the only real thing isto be nice.
So I sat with one of theirfounding founding members going
back to that, and uh, we hadbreakfast together, which was
really dumb considering how muchfood's out on the golf course.
(40:20):
And they gave me a stack ofpancakes that were as big as my
head.
But uh he told me that.
He's like, hey, the rule here isto be nice, and I was like, he's
like, it pertains to everything.
I'm like, yeah, I guess if youdrive in a bunker, that's not
being nice, is it?
So it's the same thing.
Like we at golf garage have thebe nice, you know, thought
process with 42 pages on how tobe nice.
SPEAKER_03 (40:40):
You could just say don't be an a-hole.
SPEAKER_02 (40:41):
That's I could.
We could have shirts that saythat.
SPEAKER_03 (40:44):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's copyright that one ofthe one of the funniest shirts
I've ever seen is at um the FatIrish Kitchen in Brookings.
All the bartenders wear shirtsthat say don't finger your
couple.
SPEAKER_00 (40:58):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
That is funny.
I love it.
I love it.
And of course, one day I pickedup my pint beer glass.
You did it.
You did it.
All the beer spelled out allover the place.
It was a disaster.
Never been there, but it soundsfun.
Oh, it was a it was a blast.
That was that was probably inthe top ten most embarrassing
moments of my life.
(41:21):
I think we got a couple finalquestions for core.
What's your bucket list course?
SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Oh I mean, I guess does on everyone's, that's for
sure.
SPEAKER_03 (41:30):
I got you're wearing the hat right now.
SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
Yeah, I got to go there a couple years ago and to
see it in person.
Really?
It was so much different than itlooks like on TV.
SPEAKER_03 (41:37):
You got to walk it?
SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
Yeah, yeah.
I went to what two practicerounds and the part three
contest.
SPEAKER_03 (41:41):
Did you get to hit it, hit any balls?
SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
No, no, it was just all spectating.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (41:45):
That's super cool though.
I mean, it's it's very hard to,you know, even see that course
in person.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
No doubt.
Yeah.
And then I gotta get out to someof the Montana Mountain courses
too.
Oh, I'm gonna go with you.
I haven't been out to any ofthose yet.
SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
And so you spend a lot of time in Cordelane.
Have you played CordelaneResort?
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
Uh yeah, quite a few times.
Uh huh.
SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
I played it once.
And that that was a how do youcompare that?
Is it is that like is that thebest course in that area, or are
there some private clubs thatare you think top it?
SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
Yeah, there's definitely some private clubs
that are like technicallybetter, but I think like um what
like greens keeping wise andconditions-wise, it's hard to
compete with that place.
Like they do a really good job.
The greens are always amazing,the fairways are always pure.
SPEAKER_03 (42:28):
Um, but like And the iconic island green is something
everybody, whether you know it'scourtalane resort or not, you've
seen that green.
SPEAKER_01 (42:35):
Yeah, and it's it's definitely a fun shot to hit,
especially.
I mean, if it's blowing when ifit's windy, it's intimidating.
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Our caddy when when I played that said, All right,
we we do give some grace onthis.
Everybody gets two shots if youdon't make it to the make it to
the green.
That's called a tip.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
Yeah.
So last time we played it, I wasplaying with one of the members
from Gazer.
He invited me out there and hehit two balls off the dock on
the right that just one hoppedoff in the water and then hold
out the third.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (43:05):
That's really cool.
SPEAKER_02 (43:07):
Yeah, so hey, I think what we got to do is
Pacific University versusLinfield.
I got some friends like so TrowBridge, that was our efficient,
went to Linfield, Jeff Dunn.
Get those two guys, you and I,Pacific, a couple other guys,
and we go get it and we go play.
And we could even maybe getKakula out there and get some
Wellama guys too.
We could do a little uhthree-way action.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
That would be a ton of fun.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Let's get let's do like the old school uh the team
game.
We get five from each one, countfour, just like what we used to
do.
Yeah, just like girltournaments.
Yeah, I want to go one.
SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
Good luck to them.
And so the three of us arecompeting against each other
tonight.
In what?
Men's league.
Let's go.
SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
Men's league.
It's just league.
We've had ladies in it.
Who are you?
What lady?
SPEAKER_03 (43:50):
Go ahead and see.
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Jessica's played.
SPEAKER_03 (43:53):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (43:53):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
She's allowed.
Okay.
Ladies are welcome, sir.
I haven't seen that.
It's all good.
It's all good.
SPEAKER_03 (44:04):
So, what does golf stand for?
SPEAKER_02 (44:06):
Yeah.
unknown (44:07):
Huh?
SPEAKER_02 (44:08):
That.
That?
SPEAKER_03 (44:09):
Okay.
On that note, hopefully, we'regoing to maintain first.
SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
That's going to be tough.
You got some competition.
SPEAKER_02 (44:21):
Yeah.
He's going to go shoot 65 nowbecause he's mad.
I mean, come on, let's go.
Corey, thanks for being on theshow, man.
Go, boxers.
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you guys having me.
Darren, next week, I think uh wegot Don Law off his cruise, but
I'm on vacation.
So we're going to be the weekfollowing.
We got to get Don out there andwe're going to get going on the
(44:42):
uh National Youth PlayerDevelopment Award winner.
SPEAKER_03 (44:45):
Maybe Corey will sit in for you next week.
SPEAKER_02 (44:46):
That would be good.
Go for it.
Sir.
Until next week, take care.
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