October 17, 2025 • 49 mins
Ever wonder why the first crisp chip shows up on hole five? We dive straight into the real fixes for blades, chunks, and wobbly contact—and it’s not another gadget. Noah shares a wild par-four “ace” story to set the tone, then we get practical: how a simple Y-to-Y short game motion, steady tempo, and better balance turn chaos into control. From there, we zoom out to what truly lowers scores: a body that can move, stabilize, and repeat under pressure.
Coach Matt Preston, a Top 50 GRAA performance coach with a sports medicine background, joins us to map the path from assessment to results. He explains flexibility vs mobility, why strength is the glue that makes range of motion usable, and how ground-up control solves sneaky problems like over-rotation and drifting low points. You’ll get a concise, field-tested warm-up—reverse lunges with a twist, skater jumps, and split-stance rotations—that primes you to play well from the first tee, not the fifth.
We also tackle the confidence vs warm-up debate, lay out at-home drills that require little more than a mirror and a wall, and share an impact-first checkpoint you can test today: stop an inch before the ball and read the face. One or two degrees matters more than you think, especially with driver speed. Along the way, we spotlight the power of coach collaboration—how swing coaching and performance training align goals, set constraints, and accelerate progress for juniors, busy adults, and competitive players alike.
If you’re chasing tighter dispersion, cleaner wedge strikes, and a swing that holds up when it counts, this one’s for you. Listen, try the warm-up, run the impact check, and tell us what changed. If it helps, share it with a playing partner. And if you’re new here, follow, rate, and leave a quick review—it helps more golfers find the show and level up with us.
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SPEAKER_04 (00:14):
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Welcome to My Golf Source.
Welcome back for another episodeof Golf Talk Business.
Drinking.
Tournaments.
Fun.
Noah can control himself.
He literally just walked intothe studio from playing in a
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golf tournament.
SPEAKER_03 (00:36):
So excited, Darren.
So excited.
I literally hit a golf ball offof a guy's face today.
SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
That's awkward.
SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
You know what was cool about it?
Centennial Golf Club.
Drivable par four.
Oh yeah, dude.
289.
And I'm with two people I don'tknow in.
SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
289 from the purples.
Like 250 from the men's sees.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
With my buddy.
And they're like, call yourshot.
I'm like, cool.
You're only 4'11, but you canreach out and touch somebody
with pound for pound, long drivechampion of the world.
Like later on when Matt's on theshow, he's going to tell you all
about my explosiveness.
You're not really four footeleven.
Don't worry about that.
Yeah, yeah.
Close.
Five foot seven.
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Hey, anyway, they said, callyour shot.
You call your shot, you get ahole in one.
I said, Cool, I'll hit a buttercut off Rob's face.
Buttercut off of Rob's face.
I flew him in the face.
It deflected onto the green.
Hole in one.
Where was his face?
I think I knocked it down afterthat shot.
SPEAKER_04 (01:41):
Cardboard cut out at like, you know, 10 times.
SPEAKER_03 (01:45):
At any rate, I have a picture of it, and we're gonna
post that to our Facebook.
Got it.
Yeah.
Game on, dude.
It was it was so fun.
The fact is, when I hit the golfshot, I peered it and I'm like,
oh, cool, that looks prettygood.
Kind of took my off it, andeveryone starts cheering on it,
and all of a sudden I see theball deflect.
I'm like, what was that?
I thought it hit the back of thegreen and just deflected.
(02:06):
Like, you hit him, you hit him,you hit him.
You know, like so.
You know what?
End of the day, made a hole inone on a par four today.
How many of you have done that?
I don't know, but pretty cool.
SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
The hole just happened to be six feet wide,
but that's right.
SPEAKER_03 (02:20):
Two feet by two feet, you know, you know, a
little cardboard cutout.
But uh, it'll look good onFacebook today and uh and the
gram.
So excited for everybody to seethat.
SPEAKER_04 (02:30):
Let's get right to our listener questions.
SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Hey guys, what is the drill I can do to prevent
blading and chunking shortchips?
SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Nice, that's an awesome question.
And uh shanking and blading aretotally different animals,
right?
So when we look at a shank,that's an open face or it's off
the hossle.
So it depends on how theperson's coming into the golf
ball.
Um, when we look at blading,it's usually coming out of
posture.
So what's unique about a chipshot is it's actually a really
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easy motion.
And at golf garage, we teach alot about how to work from the
hole backwards.
So we talk about putting tochipping to pitching and so on
and so forth back to the T-box.
And so when you look at that, aputting motion is very simple in
the sense that you're basicallymoving your sternum.
Everyone says you're moving yourshoulders, but your sternum's
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moving the putter.
So at the end of the day, it's avery, very simple stroke that
moves maybe a foot and goesthrough a foot max.
So it's not a very big motion.
When we get into a chip, we talkabout a Y-to-Y type of a stroke,
which basically doesn't move alot as well.
At the end of the day, whathappens when people tend to
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blade a shot is because theytypically take it back a lot
shorter.
And then the brain says, Oh man,I never took it back far enough.
And then they accelerate reallyhard and they stand up out of
posture and they blade it.
Because when you stand up andyou hit the top part of the
equator of the ball, it's notgonna go up, it's gonna go down.
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And when it goes the very bottomgroove of the club, without
question.
So it goes off the blade or thebottom groove of the club and it
goes flying across the screen,and then all of a sudden you
play left, right, left golf,right?
Army golf.
Um, and when we talk aboutshanking, same idea.
It's all tempo.
I mean, we got to go tempo townall day long.
So a lot of times when I grew upgolfing, the best thing that I
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ever learned how to do prior toall these, you know, equilibrium
drills and all these differentthings was I would just
literally sing a song.
You'd find a beat of a song andsay, Man, I'm gonna sing this,
and you kind of get that rhythmgoing, and you would take some
motion, you know, of a chip shotand say, Oh, this feels kind of
different because the song leadsyou.
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So I would definitely recommendfinding a song that fits your
motion because tempo isdifferent for every player.
SPEAKER_04 (04:56):
Ain't no mountain.
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Yeah, dude.
It's not like CPR, dude.
We're not going that route.
That's way too fast.
But yeah, I mean, ultimately,even that one to one, even if
you clam like three.
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Yeah, you got that.
SPEAKER_03 (05:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Day drop, day job.
No, you're actually pretty good.
You're pretty good.
Keep going.
Hey, so one, two, one, right?
I think if we go into that role,we're pretty solid.
And that it's like, hey, one,two, one.
So what we're looking at is theone, two is the back swing.
The one is impact.
SPEAKER_04 (05:25):
Like a hip-hop beat.
About 89 to 92 beats per minute.
Is it like brown chicken browncow?
I mean, I'm going back SnoopDogg, Dr.
Drake, Grandmaster Flash, youand me both.
90s, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (05:38):
So ultimately, if we can get into a rhythm or tempo,
it allows our shoulders to move,it allows the big muscles to
help.
Because a lot of times when weblade, also, if we don't pop out
of posture, we use our hands andour wrists.
And if our wrists come in and wefeel like the ground's gonna get
in the way, we we move thosewrists really quick so we don't
hit the ground, and then all ofa sudden the ball gets in the
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way by the blade and we hit itover the green, also.
So not only is posture a bigthing, but also how we get in
the way of the low point of theclub or if the ground gets in
the way.
So a lot of a lot of it again,learn how to putt, learn how to
chip, go find your PGAprofessional.
You know, it's super easybecause when we look at it, it
was we look at it balancepoints.
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If you're not balanced at theaddress, the back swing at the
top, and the finish, you'regonna hit a bad shot.
It's just what it is.
Amen.
Game on.
I'm still celebrating.
You know why?
Because your son's awesome.
Okay.
But that's not the reason.
Because you're happy we get totalk today?
(06:44):
For sure.
Not a boy.
That's that's that's the top ofit.
Because I put a happy face onthe scoreboard in our
tournament?
SPEAKER_04 (06:49):
Because our league kicked your butt.
That's why.
My team kicked your team's butt.
SPEAKER_03 (06:54):
You know what's weird about that is we have
handicaps, right?
League handicaps, so tough.
And our team played so good, andI was out of town, that the team
handicaps got chopped.
So our totaled handicaps arelike a four.
Do I think that's accurate?
Not a hundred percent.
Do I think my team's good?
(07:15):
Absolutely.
Do I think their handicaps basedon where they are is accurate
relative to what they shot?
No, because they didn't have toputt.
Because we have auto-put.
SPEAKER_04 (07:24):
Do I think it's accurate that they took my
handicap from an 18 to a zerofor the final round?
That's tough.
That's tough, man.
Yeah, that's tough.
But So I I will say, yes, I wantto brag on this show because we
won.
However, I did not carry what Iowed my team or what I should
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have in the final round becausethey moved my handicapped to
zero and I shot a I shot a nineon hole eighteen.
Yeah.
Because it was fantasy golf.
There's hold on.
Don't even get me started onthat.
Wait, wait, wait.
I told I told my teammates, Isaid, Do you know this is funny?
The only if they beat us, theonly reason they beat us is
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because we're playing fantasygolf.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
You can say whatever you want.
The thing is, is golf garagesimulation is exactly the same
as on course when it comes towhat your mind does to you.
And when you put pressure on thecode, it's a whole island greens
on everything.
And the final hole was brutal,right?
I birdied it.
I shot two under on the TGLcourse and I wasn't in the
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playoffs.
And I made one bogey.
So the thing of it is, it wasn'tthat it was so hard.
It was that if you missed thefairway, you were out of bounds.
And so ultimately it was amental test.
SPEAKER_04 (08:44):
That wasn't my problem.
On hole 18, I hit into the firstset of bunkers because I
couldn't see them.
And I should have looked at thediagram, but I didn't.
I just saw the fairway process.
I hit it.
I hit it where I wanted to hitit, but I ended up in a fairway
bunker and right up against thelip.
So those pink glasses are hot,man.
I you've distracted me.
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So my teammates are like, okay,you're one, you're 181 out.
Take your seven iron and pretendlike that lip isn't there.
So I hit my seven iron, hit thelip, bounce backwards, back into
the bunker.
No, it bounced backwards and offthe cliff into the water.
So I had to take a rehit, so nowI'm hitting like four or five.
(09:28):
I'm like, okay, I'm gonna take apitching wedge.
That'll get over that lip.
No, hit the lip, bounce off intothe water again.
Like, okay, I'm gonna take my 60degree wedge.
That'll surely get out of there.
Which wedge?
60.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I you know, I should havegone to the 69, but I hit my 60
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degree wedge, that hit the lip,bounced back into the water
again, and then it was like thatwas my tenth stroke, and it
defaulted me to a nine and toldme I needed to just take a back
seat and we needed to move on.
SPEAKER_03 (10:02):
So hey, you know what?
That was whole 18.
So can I tell you?
We ended rough.
Quick question.
Right?
Are there pictures on thescorecard?
No.
Congratulations, you won.
SPEAKER_04 (10:17):
All right.
I'm just trying to be honest.
I'm just trying to be honest andsay, hey, this was my struggle.
You know, I I had a handful ofpars.
I'm so proud of you.
I'm so nobody.
SPEAKER_03 (10:27):
I am so proud of you right now.
It's not any funny.
You should be.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
You're lying, but I make me feel like that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:32):
Honestly, honestly, I gotta run a business.
I gotta do all this stuff,right?
Today, you know what was so coolabout our tournament?
What?
On the scoreboard was a happyface.
I love that.
So the tournament was like a funevent to network and all this
stuff.
How was Centennial today?
It was great, it was awesome.
They just tight fairways.
(10:52):
The fairways were awesome.
The greens were a little slowerbecause they airified, but they
were smooth.
I mean, you can't complain aboutit.
It was in good shape.
And ultimately for us, like thefun thing was I handed the
scorecard and we put happy facesand frowny faces for the score.
And it was the funniest thingever when I handed it to the
head pro and he looks at itlike, whoa, what am I supposed
to do with this?
(11:13):
Yeah, daggone.
What am I supposed to do withthis?
So, like, just put a happy face.
We're gonna get him on thepodcast, so we're gonna get him,
gotta get him a little whiskey.
So I think we shot 54.
We shot 1800 as a team with twobeginner golfers and Andy Baker
and myself, who doesfranchising, and it was such a
fun tournament.
And there was like threecompanies in town that put it on
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that said, hey, come play inthis.
There was no fee, it was justnetworking.
And I love it.
Dude, we we got two membershipsout of it minimum, and we got
like two events out of it.
And I was like, this is exactlywhat needs to happen more, and
that's what golf garage is for.
This is what golf is all aboutin general, yeah, all day long.
And golf garage just embracesthat.
Yeah.
So I want to switch, I want toflip this up.
(11:56):
So ultimately, last week wetalked a lot about um your son
Toby.
He is starting to mature um fromthe standpoint not only mentally
but physically.
I get the chance to work withToby every Wednesday for the
most part at 8:30 a.m., unlesswe're back from a road trip with
SOU.
And Toby is like the kindest,awesome, like I'll do anything
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type of a soul.
But he's starting to understandcompetition right now.
He's starting to mature, he'sstarting to get clubhead speed.
He wants to start winning.
Like, you can just see that umhe's hungry.
Yeah, he's hungry.
And if he doesn't do better,he's gonna like start getting
upset.
So, what's cool about this partof his life is that you know,
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this is where we get excited ascoaches to see that his passion
is so high for the sport thatthis is the game that he's
probably gonna play for the restof his life.
So, with that being said, now wehave to understand how to try to
feed that.
And so with Toby, a couplethings.
One, you know, he's gettingassessed by a doctor right now.
(13:01):
So tell us a little bit aboutthat, Darren.
Um, he's with a PT.
Tell us about the first coupleweeks with that.
SPEAKER_04 (13:06):
I so Toby, we're we're gonna get real personal
here for a second, and I'm gonnabe completely honest, has had
some developmental issues whenit comes to eating and um
providing enough nutrients forhis body to grow.
Uh, he has a little bit of aneating disorder, not not nothing
(13:27):
like um strong up meals, nothinglike an obsession with with
weight loss, but a fear ofhealthy foods.
And we have made a lot ofprogress over the last year and
a half in overcoming that andbeing able to get some weight on
him.
Um but during that process, Ithink he has fallen way behind
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in the ability to have builtbuilt enough foundational body
strength, structure, and balanceum to support what his needs for
his age are.
And so we've had a lot ofconsultations with his with
physicians, with nutritionists,uh, increasing his calorie and
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fat intake.
We've gotten to finally put onsome weight and start to build
some strength, but he's a littlebit behind the curve for a
14-year-old.
However, he's able to hit a aneight-iron 180 yards and hit a
driver 250 yards because of histechnique.
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Once we start to bring hisstrength online, I think his
potential is limitless.
And so he just started seeing aphysical therapist a couple of
weeks ago um who's working onthat foundational strength, and
I want that to work hand in handwith professional golf fitness
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training.
And that's why we're here todayto talk to Coach Matt.
SPEAKER_03 (15:03):
Yeah, and I and I would just say that to add on
from the coach's perspective,there's nothing better than to
get a doctor's perspective ofwhere the body is in order to
then give complete confidence toa performance coach to say this
kid or this person can doanything they want, or they're
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limited here, and we need you tohelp them.
So, you know, with Coach Matt,our our director of performance
at golf garage, once heunderstands that there's nothing
that that person can't do,there's no limitations, or there
are, and he understands theparameters, he can take them to
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that limit and get them dialedin so fast.
It's like it's like stupid.
I worked out with the SOU golfteam about two weeks ago, and
Matt knew that I hadn't workedout in probably three or four
months, just with everythingwith business.
And he literally had 15 peoplethere, and he just said, Hey,
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modify this to this for youbecause you haven't worked out.
And immediately I was like,Okay, sounds great.
And I was like, Oh wow, I'm gladI didn't have to do what they
did because if I did, I'dprobably hurt myself.
So he was able to make amodification on the fly for
someone like me, and the teamwas able to do what they needed
to do, I was able to do what Ineeded to do, and the next day I
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couldn't get out of bed, and itwasn't a bad get out of bed, it
was like, dang, I worked hard,yes.
That was so cool, and I feltlike I could do it when I was
doing it, and then the next dayafter that I felt great, and
then the next week when I did itagain, there was another
modification.
It was like awesome! Like it'sso cool, right?
SPEAKER_04 (16:49):
Toby finishes some exercises, and he's like, My
legs feel like jello.
That's good, and then the nextmorning he wakes up, my legs are
sore.
I'm like, even better.
SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
So no pain, no gain.
So ultimately, it's a great timeto welcome Coach Matt Preston,
top 50 Golf Range Association ofAmerica performance coach to the
show.
Welcome, Coach Matt.
SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
How's it going, guys?
Great to be back.
SPEAKER_03 (17:24):
Welcome, Matt.
Thank you.
Golf clap.
Yeah, buddy.
Hey, so I also have to say thatCoach Matt is um one of the
coaches at the SOU SouthernOregon University golf program.
He is directly in charge of allthe performance with our
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collegiate players, and heabsolutely crushes it.
And on top of that, almost anyassessment that I do with a
player that is a sub-10handicap, Matt's in the room.
So trust this guy, know whathe's capable of.
Um, most of the time, it comesdown to what he sees prior to
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what I'm gonna do.
And then if it's something Iwant to do based on the
student's goals, we have aconversation privately to see if
that student can actuallyaccomplish that.
And if they can't, then we haveto tell them.
And if they can, then they gotto work harder in the gym with
Coach Matt, and then we go fromthere.
So his job is always to do whatthe player wants, but if they
can't do it, then we figure itout.
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So, Coach Matt, can you talk alittle bit about some of your
experiences in the gym and justlike what you've seen?
Because you've had so muchsuccess with players very
quickly in just warmups, whetherthat is SOU players or just golf
garage players in general, um,based on what they are.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
So, yeah, for sure.
I think it just kind of comesdown to um, you know, assessing
things from from the beginningand finding out um the root
cause of um where someone canbenefit from the most.
And a lot of that comes from mybackground in sports medicine
where you know somebody wouldcome to you with an ankle
injury, and it's prettystraightforward where their
ankle's swollen, so they spraintheir ankle, and then their goal
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is to heal it and get back onthe field.
But you find out later on it wasactually a weakness from their
hip that actually caused, um,not caused, but it led to you
know the potential for you knowinjury elsewhere.
Yeah, exactly.
So there's you know predisposingfactors, and you know, you can't
you can't uh prevent any injury,right?
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There's forces outside of ourcontrol.
Um, but we can do our best tomitigate it as best we can, um,
you know, based off of what wesee from the assessment, whether
that's a mobility restriction orthings like that.
So um from the golf side ofthings, yeah, we just try to
assess from the very beginning.
And, you know, it's really justabout being efficient with your
time too and steering people inthe right direction.
(19:55):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
Tell me a little bit about your background, what your
degree is in, and what do you Imean, how where you are today
came to be.
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
Yeah, super long story, but to uh cut it short,
my um undergraduate degree is uhis a bachelor's of science in
athletic training.
So um did a three-year programum in athletic training
specifically.
Um at the end of that, I had aboard exam similar to lawyers
and had to pass that and becamea certified athletic trainer.
(20:27):
So much different than what apersonal trainer is.
I actually went to school forfour years to become a certified
athletic trainer in sportsmedicine.
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
More on the clinical side.
unknown (20:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Yeah.
I mean, most of the time you'llsee athletic trainers with
collegiate sports, at uh highschool sports, things like that,
um, kind of in the trenches withathletes.
Um, we're trained to, you know,treat, diagnose, um, prevent
injuries, uh, certified in CPRand first aid, um, a lot of
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emergency things as well.
Um, and then I went on to get myum master's degree in
kinesiology.
Um, and that's just the study ofhuman movement.
So just overall, um, justunderstanding the body and the
biomechanics and things likethat.
And then what we're all we weretrained to do in school is
really break it down based onwhat sport you were with at the
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time.
Um, so when I was with baseball,the you know, we're turned to
play parameters for a baseballplayer with a shoulder injury is
a lot different than a soccerplayer with a shoulder injury
because of the demands of thesport.
So I think the school and justthe you know hands-on experience
with all these different sportsreally allowed us to learn um
kind of a lot about the body andhow each sport really you know
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demands different things fromthe body, whether that's you
know an upper body sport likebaseball and golf and
volleyball, or you know, lowerbody sport like cross country,
for instance.
SPEAKER_03 (21:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
So so Matt, obviously we've seenplayers of all ages and
abilities.
What do you think you're mostproud of so far with your
assessments and then being ableto see progress?
SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
I don't know.
I think it's just I'm I'm proudof the students when they can
take ownership of what we'vegone over and they have the
tools to do it on their ownbecause ultimately I can't be
there for everything.
So, you know, I've worked with,you know, some of our members
here for a couple years, and um,you know, when they talk about
how influential our time hasbeen um over the past few years
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and you know how much it'simpacted their golf swing and
not only that, but their dailylife.
Like I'm just you know thankfulto have a part of that too.
Um, you know, I think that's thebiggest thing too is that they
they've learned a lot.
And I I try to teach a lot ofpeople about what we're doing
and the whys behind it, not justyou know, yelling at them to
squat lower or bench moreweight, right?
SPEAKER_04 (22:56):
There's a lot of harder, swing faster.
SPEAKER_01 (22:58):
Yeah, exactly.
There's a lot of intent.
I use the word intent a lotbecause there's always a reason
behind what we're doing.
SPEAKER_04 (23:04):
Let's go to one more question.
We have you know, we've beentalking a lot about um drills
and technique lately.
Let's hear what Tyler has toask.
SPEAKER_02 (23:14):
Hey guys, what drills can I do at home with a
limited amount of equipment thatI have um not at the range,
obviously, to improve my game?
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Yeah, it's a great question.
Um, the nice thing about golf isit is a movement of the body,
and your body and a golf club isall the equipment that you'll
ever need.
So um I know Tyler, we've workedtogether in the past.
So um doing a lot of splitstance, balance things, uh
rotating the body, learning howto um do the small things really
well, like separating your upperbody and lower your lower body,
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um, getting into postureefficiently, um, just having
having something to give youfeedback.
So, like a mirror or a wall,right?
Things at home like that are umkind of the most you know
beneficial things that you canuse to have the feedback.
SPEAKER_03 (24:03):
Hey Matt, will you do me a favor and walk us
through like a two-minutewarm-up that you'd recommend for
any golfer out there?
I think that's the key, is likemost people are like, what can I
do to get better?
A golf diet just says this, butwe know that's not 100% accurate
to stop your slice or whateverthey say.
(24:24):
Like, but warming up is such ahuge opportunity.
And you've always asked thatquestion of like, hey, when are
you warmed up?
Do you usually feel it on holeone, hole two, hole three, hole
four?
And most people are like holefive.
You're like, Well, what wouldfeel what would you say?
Yeah, what do you feel like ifyou were like warmed up on hole
one, right?
So, what would you recommend forpeople?
And obviously, we can always putsome of these videos on the on
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our Facebook page, obviously, ofyou showing the warm-up, but
just go through what you callthem and like what you think
would be a benefit for ourstudents.
SPEAKER_01 (24:54):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing with the warmup is
physically getting warm.
So you have to do things, youknow, that are somewhat
challenging.
Um, and also doing, you know,multipot multiple um movements
at the same time.
So blending, you know, dynamicmovements together.
So doing a reverse lunge with atwist, you know, works the lower
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body and the upper body at thesame time while balancing.
Um, so you do that.
We would do a lateral jump, somepeople call it a skater jump,
um, because that's superimportant to lower up the w warm
up the lower body and also learnhow to balance as well.
Um, doing things in a splitstance like we talked about
earlier, and just trying torotate the club as fast as you
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can also just kind of feelswhere you're at with your
balance that day, too.
SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
So what what's the philosophy in grabbing like two
or three clubs in your hand andwarming up?
Kind of like swimming swingingtwo bats in baseball.
SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean, it it's a it's good if you want to.
I mean, the club will obviouslyfeel lighter if you go from a
heavier club to a lighter club,too.
But I think that there are otherthings, in my personal opinion,
that are more worth your timethan swinging weighted clubs for
two minutes.
SPEAKER_04 (26:07):
It's been popular in social media lately, the John
Daly approach, where you don'twarm up before a match.
You don't warm up before atournament.
You literally show up to thedriving range, you take your
favorite club in the bag, andyou hit it like two or three
times.
So it's a pitching wedge.
For most of us, it's pitchingwedge, right?
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Show and get it.
That's our warm-up club.
That's what we that's the firstclub we grab when we get out to
the range, is our pitchingwedge.
Take your favorite club that youhit with confidence, hit it two
or three times, hit it well,walk away with that positive
mindset.
That mindset is better thanbeing physically warmed up.
What do you have to say aboutthat?
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
I think I mean confidence goes a long way.
SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
I disagree.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
I I want this debate.
SPEAKER_03 (26:54):
I 100% disagree.
Let's have it.
Can I say what I want to say?
Go ahead.
Movement gives confidence.
And if you're not moving freelyand you think you're gonna hit a
good shot and then it goes deadleft, why?
Because your body didn't moveproperly.
Happens all the time.
So you resolve that with morewarm-up.
SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
100% I can't tell you the amount of rounds,
especially in the late fallwinter time when it's cold
outside.
Well, I will warm up at home for30 minutes, show up to the first
T and walk to the first T andhit my first shot of the day
with a thousand more percent ofconfidence than I would if I hit
100 golf balls.
SPEAKER_04 (27:33):
Well, I know John Daly listens to this podcast, so
we've got to have him on todebate this.
SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
I mean, John Daly, though, is one of those.
He's a different breed of cat.
That's just ultimately, too.
Look at the guy, he'shypermobile, obviously.
Look at what the club does.
He keeps it on plane and hetakes it and almost hits the
ground with the golf club.
So somebody that has the abilityto move freer than someone else,
regardless of what the build ofthe body looks like, is no
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bearing.
That is one per like that's oneperson.
Name another one, right?
Kenya.
SPEAKER_04 (28:10):
Well, Tiger in his current state, because he's so
limited.
SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
Well, no, but what I'm getting at is like when
someone has a what we call afreakishly uh looking golf swing
or a swing that's totallydifferent, their ability to move
is their mobility that day,right?
So Matt's actually someone let'sso Matt, let's get your
definition of flexibility overmobility, because that will
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explain exactly what I'm talkingabout.
SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
Yeah, I mean, flexibility essentially um is
range range of motion that youhave to stretch to attain.
So if you, you know, weren'tsomeone that could touch their
toes, you would you know,stretch your hamstring and do
different things, and you'd beable to touch your toes, right?
Uh mobility is kind of more of acombination of flexibility and
strength, oftentimes referred toas cold mobility, is the range
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of motion that you have, um, notat all times, but for the
majority of the time, when youhop out of bed, if you can just
reach down and touch your toes,um, you have the strength and
the flexibility to do thosemovements.
SPEAKER_04 (29:10):
Boom.
There you go.
So, where does some mindset playcome into play with this and how
does that balance?
SPEAKER_03 (29:17):
I would just say from a coaching perspective,
that if you know what yourbody's capable of doing, you're
gonna have more confidence thansomeone that is not knowing
that, right?
So if I if I've never skiedbefore and my buddies are trying
to get me to go to the top ofthe mountain on the chairlift,
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right?
Maybe you're more athleticphysically than they are, but I
I could be so much better atbasketball, baseball, softball,
whatever, whatever that is,right?
Soccer.
But I go to the top of themountain and I freeze and I'm
like, okay, I watch them justgrind down that mountain and you
fall down that mountain.
I fall down that mountain andinjure myself.
Jump.
SPEAKER_04 (30:00):
Did a bit of comedy bit on that.
That's hilarious, by the way.
SPEAKER_03 (30:03):
100%, right?
So I think ultimately you knowwhat you know, and ultimately we
have to learn behaviors, we haveto learn movement.
And I think, Matt, like that'sreally your forefront, is what I
see golfers and what you'rereally good at is making them
aware of maybe something thatneeds some help.
And once they're aware of that,you know, limited mobility, if
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you will, um, all of a sudden,in a short amount of time, what
they wanted becomes a realityversus someone that's a golf
coach.
Oh, I can make you do that, justdo this drill, do it over and
over again, go to this position,go to the top of the swing, go
to position one, go to positioneight.
Like that doesn't work becausethe body doesn't allow you to
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ever make it work.
But in two seconds, if Matt putsyou into a split stance, right?
Trail leg back, you know, andall of a sudden, you know, get
in golf posture, make somerotation over that lead leg, and
you start feeling something new,your brain says, I can do that
motion.
And then, like that, all of asudden, you're able to hit a
(31:16):
golf shot the way the golf prowants you to.
So I think the collaborationbetween a fitness professional
and the golf coach has to happenmoving forward because every
player is different.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Yeah, for sure.
I think when we think about likewhat does golf-specific movement
or golf-specific exercises looklike, we're just trying to get
to a point where a golfer's bodyisn't an issue in the swing.
They can have other issues inthe swing, right?
But we're trying to take youknow any issues of flexibility
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and strength, yeah, physicallimitations out of the question.
So, you know, for me personally,when I go play around to golf,
if I can warm up properly, thattrumps the ability to hit you
know 20 golf balls and buildconfidence that way.
SPEAKER_04 (32:04):
So you put the rest of it on your mind.
Yeah.
Technique.
What you know?
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
I don't even I don't need I know a if my body is
feels the way I want it to feelon a daily basis, my swing will
be where I want it to be.
All right.
SPEAKER_04 (32:17):
So here that's that's like mind-blowing.
I mean, yeah, 100%.
But it's true.
SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
I mean, you think about it, it makes sense.
Well, the kicker on top of thatis what really matters?
And the answer is impact.
So you could say the golf swing,like you got somebody coming
across the line at the top.
So right-handed golfer goes tothe top of their golf swing,
golf clubs pointed dead right atthe top of the swing.
(32:44):
We don't want that.
No, right?
Everything says aim it at theaim it at the clo at the flag,
aim it at your target, aim it,you know, even you know, left of
your target.
It should be close proportional.
It doesn't even matter where theclub face is at that point.
It's like the club is so far outof quote unquote position.
So who cares if that happens ifthe club face gets back to
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square relative to where they'retrying to hit it at impact?
And I think what happens with alot of these coaches is they get
caught up in this perfect golfswing that no one knows how to
make.
And I have an amazing story forthat.
So early on, um, I don't know ifyou guys knew about 3D capture
(33:27):
systems, but 3D capture systemscreate an avatar of your body.
I work in that industry, but notwith bodies.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
So it's like the green screens,like Spider-Man's, you put all
these like new markers ofphysical buildings.
100%.
You got markers on the body, yougot all this stuff.
So so essentially that that wasa thing for the golf swing.
And so I got about 16 markersput on my body, and I go up to
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Columbia Edgewater Country Clubup in Portland.
Taylor Maid had this big vault,and I'm marked up and I'm ready
to go, and I'm I'm just pumped.
I'm like, cool, I'm I'm playinggood golf, I'm a plus three
handicap, and I start hittinggolf shots.
And then I find out TigerWoods's golf swing is on this,
and they can mirror Tiger swingwith my swing.
(34:14):
So we get up.
SPEAKER_04 (34:15):
His old swing or his current?
SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
It was probably okay, 200 uh eight.
It's probably his older swing.
Yeah, old older swing, butreally good swing.
Yeah, he was playing great rightbefore some of the injuries that
he had.
So we get up there and I'm like,just go to the top of the swing.
(34:38):
Let's see what it looks like,right?
And I I I was striping it thatday, so it felt good.
So I get up there and I matchit, and I'm laid off a little
bit relative to Tiger, so I gointo that, and then I get to a
position where my body's liketiger, and it feels fine.
But then I have to move mywrists into Tiger's position,
and it hurts so bad to do it.
(34:58):
And so right then and there Irealized injuries, right?
But no, it's that's Tiger's golfswing, that's not Noah
Horstman's golf swing.
Right.
So immediately I was like, everyplayer's different.
That's when I came up with thephilosophy that I teach on now
is that I'm not Tiger Woods, I'mnot six foot two, I haven't done
everything that Tiger's done inhis life.
(35:21):
You're right.
So if I'm not, you know, arelative of Tiger even, like,
how can I swing like Tiger?
I'm my own person, and so I haveto figure out my what works for
my golf swing.
And so when I did that, I hitthe ball and I hit it fine, but
I but it hurt to make tiger'sgolf swing.
And so ultimately, nobody isgonna ever make a golf swing
(35:44):
that hurts because your braindoesn't allow you to do that.
So I think I was young enough tosay I want to swing like tiger,
but I was mature enough to sayI'll never swing like tiger
because it hurts and I don'twant to hurt.
SPEAKER_04 (35:58):
Okay, so I get out here in the driving range on the
simulator and I wind up my swingmore.
I can do a whole lot more of abackswing than what what I
typically do, and I can do itwithout hurting.
But the problem is, is once Iget to the top of that backswing
where I have a lot of rotation,a high backswing, nothing hurts,
(36:21):
but I feel vulnerable, if thatmakes any sense whatsoever.
And now I feel like, okay, I'vegot this windup.
How am I now gonna collect it tobring it to exactly where I want
to be in a comfort zone onimpact?
SPEAKER_03 (36:36):
Yeah, so I think this is I'll I'll start and then
Matt, I think you need to finishthis because Do you understand
what I'm saying on that point?
I do.
I mean, part of this is mental.
So like you get to the top ofthe swing and all of a sudden
you're like, ooh, where do I go?
SPEAKER_04 (36:49):
Where do I go from here?
And how do I how do I take thiswound up, yeah, how do I take
this wound up energy that I'venow created and bring it,
collect it and bring it backinto a controlled form to have
impact with the face where Ineed it to be at impact.
SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
Yeah.
So so ultimately what happens isthe brain says, I'm in a
position I could do two or threedifferent things from here,
right?
Not just one.
SPEAKER_04 (37:16):
It could be 10 different things from here.
SPEAKER_03 (37:18):
And so ultimately, I'll let Matt talk about from
the ground up and how he couldmodify different positions to
stop you from over-rotating.
But but oddly enough, like whathappens is we have to feel a
sense of arm body connection.
And arm body connection can onlyhappen um, you know, if you find
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out what your mobility is.
And so the assessment process isthe single most important thing.
And what's odd about it is theassessment happens when we first
see you.
And then we have to reassess,right?
So, based on your goals, ifyou're in here, you know,
weekly, we might reassess aftereight weeks, we might reassess
after four.
It's up to the professional todecide when Matt needs to come
(38:00):
in to do that reassessment.
But ultimately, it's like anydoctor you go to like, how much
range of motion do you have inyour shoulder and external
rotation?
How much range of motion do youhave in your hip?
Like all of those things aremeasured activities.
And in the golf swing, you aremoving your body in the same
way.
It's a dynamic movement, butMatt knows how to assess that
(38:23):
between separations.
And so, what's really cool aboutthis is that because you're so
good at moving in one way, youget caught up in saying, I'm so
good at this that maybe you movetoo much instead of us teaching
you how to stabilize a part toget you to not move so much, to
say, I can go really fastthrough impact.
(38:45):
So now all of a sudden, becauseyour brain's like, where do I go
over the top?
Underneath, underneath, youknow, inside out.
How do you compensate for that?
So you would need someone totell you that, right?
SPEAKER_04 (38:57):
And that's where, and and I know I'm speaking for
a lot of people who listen tothis podcast as an amateur.
I can I can I have more range ofmotion than what I typically use
on the golf horse and do itcomfortably.
Yes, but it pushes my comfortzone not in like pain level, but
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in feeling and control.
SPEAKER_03 (39:22):
So, Matt, I think this is a perfect place for you
to take over to talk about whypeople over-rotate and the
ground up philosophy that youhave, because I think that's
super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is what Darren is
explaining is balance.
Right?
When you rotate too far, yourcenter of mass changes position
and your balance is off.
So immediately, once you're offbalance, then what are you gonna
do?
Do everything you can to notfall over.
SPEAKER_04 (39:52):
Right.
I just feel like I'm not inpain.
I feel this is in my comfortzone, but I feel like I have too
much physically and mentally tocollect and bring into alignment
on impact.
SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
Yeah, exactly.
It'd be like you know, once youleft the ground, right?
Do you feel like you could jumpon a one-inch box better or a
ten foot box?
SPEAKER_03 (40:15):
Right.
Of course.
Right.
And how would you do it?
Jump onto the one inch box.
And how would you do it relativeto the 10-inch box?
Well, it would be easy.
SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Yeah, a lot less force, less requ less control.
SPEAKER_04 (40:32):
Or within my control.
Yeah, exactly.
More in my comfort zone.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
So like you don't nobody starts at a 10-foot box.
But I mean, uh you have to startsomewhere.
So you know, every sport is alearned skill, especially golf,
right?
So you have to start small andand work your way up, right?
And so that's where you knowstrength and conditioning comes
in too, is because we're doingcontrolled movements, right,
(40:56):
under the eye of a trainedprofessional where you're
building and developing load.
That's where weight trainingcomes in too.
So, you know, just doingstretches on your own isn't
enough load to you know buildstrength and control, right?
You have to actually put enoughweight on the bar per se to
(41:16):
actually challenge the body toyou know make changes.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (41:22):
Well, I think ultimately, Matt, the stuff that
you do with your players isincredible.
Not only are you good atassessing, you're really good at
helping them develop.
And what's funny about thiswhole thing is I've worked with
performance coaches for uh let'ssee, or since 2007, and it is a
(41:49):
game changer.
I mean, the stuff that I don'tknow about the body and having
someone that does, um, and theway that you can coach it, um,
and the way you can communicateit back to the coach allows the
player to be successful.
So I think the biggest thing,you know, that I look at is it's
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always up to what the playercomes in for.
It's it's their goal.
It's it's like, man, I want tobreak 90.
I want to break 100, I want tobreak 70.
It doesn't matter what it is.
And we get somebody that's 65and they've laid brick all year,
right?
That's a totally differentanimal.
Um, then we get somebody that'sa banker and they sit at their
(42:34):
chair all day.
That's a different animal.
And what's really great aboutthis process is as our academy
gets to know that person, and asyou know, Matt gets to know that
person, he can give themsomething they can do in their
chair at the bank or a 15-minutebreak after laying brick, or
something that just allows thatperson to relax those muscles or
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move those muscles in the rightway that allows them to feel
like they can go out and playgood golf, regardless.
I think that's kind of the lostleader here is the fact that we
need more performance coaches inour industry.
And if you're only working witha swing coach, you're making a
big mistake.
(43:19):
And I'm gonna say that again,you are making a huge mistake.
And the other thing about it isif that swing coach can't give
you exercises and explain whyyou're doing them, then you need
to question why you're takingthose lessons.
I will always say that I loveevery PGA professional.
However, some professionals aremeant to work behind the counter
and some professionals are workmeant to teach golf.
(43:41):
And there are very few itprofessionals out there that can
teach the game of golf to themasses.
And we're just fortunate here atGolf Garage to have six PGA
coaches that care about peoplenumber one, want to build a
relationship with you, butultimately have the ability to
also say that if I don't knowwhy this person can't do it, I
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have help from five othercoaches that will help me get
that person to the next level.
And that's what a team amountsto.
That's huge.
SPEAKER_04 (44:11):
If I have a 50-minute lesson one-on-one with
Coach Ryan next week, whatshould I ask?
What's my biggest why?
SPEAKER_03 (44:20):
I think your biggest why more than anything is um,
you know, you're getting itprobably in the simulator.
Yes.
And it's gonna be about contact.
Why do I hit the ground first?
Or why do I blade a shot?
And and and ultimately do Inarrow it down to a range of
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clubs or do I go through thewhole bag?
I think for you, you're gonnaneed to start with the short
game first.
Okay.
You're gonna need to figure outhow to have good contacts.
Short game is in wedges, orshort game is in like nine
through seven iron.
No, with wedges.
You're you're gonna have tofigure out how to make good
contact with your 60 and your 52or whatever you have, right?
(45:02):
I mean, ultimately, because youhave a motion that's pretty
consistent with all your clubs,and so it'd be interesting to
see how you hit a 70-yard shotwhen your 52 goes 90, right?
So those in-between yardages, doyou keep your tempo or do you
always just quote unquote lashat it?
Right.
And I think that's where a lotof people struggle, is the fact
(45:26):
that they don't understand whatit feels like to have those
balance points.
And those balance points canonly happen if you have a good
tempo if you're golf swing.
Awesome.
I love it.
SPEAKER_04 (45:37):
Well, we're on that goal to break break 80.
Yep.
Um, this fall before the end ofthe year.
I'm close.
I shot an 80.
Yep.
Uh, I gotta break it.
Um Matt, we'll be talking more.
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Yeah, we'll get you and Toby both dialed.
SPEAKER_04 (45:52):
For sure.
Any words uh wisdom before weend and move on to the next
week?
SPEAKER_03 (45:56):
I had one more thing I was thinking about, and when I
talk about tempo, I I heardsomething from a very good
player.
He's a mini tour player, he's agood friend of mine.
He was the assistant pro atBeachmont Country Club in
Cleveland, and his name's Mark,and and Mark made this awesome
comment to me probably threeyears into my director of
instruction there that I reallytook to heart.
(46:19):
And he said, You can't teach thebackswing, you can't think about
the backswing when you're tryingto make a golf shot.
Like it was something to thatextent, and I was like, huh,
okay, sounds good.
And and I let it go, and thenall of a sudden it just stayed
with me.
And it was like two weeks oflike, what was he talking about?
(46:40):
Because as a director ofinstruction, I was like, you
know, I've got this person'sinside on the backswing, they're
they're way outside on thebackswing.
I gotta fix the backswing, Igotta fix grip, I gotta fix aim,
I gotta do all this stuff.
But what he was really talkingabout was when you're playing
golf, you can only think aboutwhat's in front of you.
You can only have a downswingthought, you can only think
(47:03):
about what it feels like to hitthe ball at impact.
Um, and so I think one of thecoolest things about that is for
any listener that doesn't evenwant to take a lesson that's
listening to this, is thinkabout the last foot prior to the
club face getting to the ball.
Is the club face left?
Is it right, or is it pointingat your target?
(47:23):
And you can do a simple drill ofjust making a backswing, look at
the ball, come down, and thenstop your club face just an inch
before the ball.
And where's that club face?
If it's one degree left, or ifit's right, right, open or
closed, that's gonna be a hugedifference difference in a sand
(47:44):
wedge versus a driver.
SPEAKER_04 (47:46):
And it'll be exaggerated the longer the club
gets.
SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Right.
So if you have less loft like adriver and you swing at over 100
miles an hour, one to twodegrees open could be the
difference between the fairwayand the rough, depending on
where you start the ball.
And so I think it's reallyrelevant right now for a lot of
you on the show to say, hey, I'mgonna take a backswing and go
back to the ball and just seewhere my club face is pointed.
(48:10):
Because ultimately you can lookat it at address, but most
people just look at it and say,that's normal, and it could be
closed, right?
So get with your pro, figurethat out, right?
I mean, I'm not trying to tootgo spending a bunch of money on
professional help, but like youneed to get that.
If you want to play good golf,it's gonna be worth it for you.
And then number two, just checkit out at impact.
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Put an alignment stickperpendicular to your target
line of where you're standingand see if your club face points
to it.
So super, super simple stuff.
Um, I'd love to hear more aboutthat.
I'm happy to put some videos onthere, but please call in, ask
some questions, post to ourFacebook page, let us know what
you want to hear about becauseyou know your questions mean a
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lot to us.
Indeed.
Hey, that was a great show.
That was needy, man.
That was in depth.
Matt, thanks for being on theshow with us, dude.
We love you, man.
You're you're literally you'renumber one in our hearts, buddy.
SPEAKER_01 (49:08):
Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_03 (49:09):
Appreciate it.
Until next week.
Let's do it.
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Welcome to My Golf Source.
Welcome back for another episodeof Golf Talk Business.
Drinking.
Tournaments.
Fun.
Noah can control himself.
He literally just walked intothe studio from playing in a
(00:35):
golf tournament.
SPEAKER_03 (00:36):
So excited, Darren.
So excited.
I literally hit a golf ball offof a guy's face today.
SPEAKER_04 (00:44):
That's awkward.
SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
You know what was cool about it?
Centennial Golf Club.
Drivable par four.
Oh yeah, dude.
289.
And I'm with two people I don'tknow in.
SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
289 from the purples.
Like 250 from the men's sees.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
With my buddy.
And they're like, call yourshot.
I'm like, cool.
You're only 4'11, but you canreach out and touch somebody
with pound for pound, long drivechampion of the world.
Like later on when Matt's on theshow, he's going to tell you all
about my explosiveness.
You're not really four footeleven.
Don't worry about that.
Yeah, yeah.
Close.
Five foot seven.
(01:22):
Hey, anyway, they said, callyour shot.
You call your shot, you get ahole in one.
I said, Cool, I'll hit a buttercut off Rob's face.
Buttercut off of Rob's face.
I flew him in the face.
It deflected onto the green.
Hole in one.
Where was his face?
I think I knocked it down afterthat shot.
SPEAKER_04 (01:41):
Cardboard cut out at like, you know, 10 times.
SPEAKER_03 (01:45):
At any rate, I have a picture of it, and we're gonna
post that to our Facebook.
Got it.
Yeah.
Game on, dude.
It was it was so fun.
The fact is, when I hit the golfshot, I peered it and I'm like,
oh, cool, that looks prettygood.
Kind of took my off it, andeveryone starts cheering on it,
and all of a sudden I see theball deflect.
I'm like, what was that?
I thought it hit the back of thegreen and just deflected.
(02:06):
Like, you hit him, you hit him,you hit him.
You know, like so.
You know what?
End of the day, made a hole inone on a par four today.
How many of you have done that?
I don't know, but pretty cool.
SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
The hole just happened to be six feet wide,
but that's right.
SPEAKER_03 (02:20):
Two feet by two feet, you know, you know, a
little cardboard cutout.
But uh, it'll look good onFacebook today and uh and the
gram.
So excited for everybody to seethat.
SPEAKER_04 (02:30):
Let's get right to our listener questions.
SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Hey guys, what is the drill I can do to prevent
blading and chunking shortchips?
SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Nice, that's an awesome question.
And uh shanking and blading aretotally different animals,
right?
So when we look at a shank,that's an open face or it's off
the hossle.
So it depends on how theperson's coming into the golf
ball.
Um, when we look at blading,it's usually coming out of
posture.
So what's unique about a chipshot is it's actually a really
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easy motion.
And at golf garage, we teach alot about how to work from the
hole backwards.
So we talk about putting tochipping to pitching and so on
and so forth back to the T-box.
And so when you look at that, aputting motion is very simple in
the sense that you're basicallymoving your sternum.
Everyone says you're moving yourshoulders, but your sternum's
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moving the putter.
So at the end of the day, it's avery, very simple stroke that
moves maybe a foot and goesthrough a foot max.
So it's not a very big motion.
When we get into a chip, we talkabout a Y-to-Y type of a stroke,
which basically doesn't move alot as well.
At the end of the day, whathappens when people tend to
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blade a shot is because theytypically take it back a lot
shorter.
And then the brain says, Oh man,I never took it back far enough.
And then they accelerate reallyhard and they stand up out of
posture and they blade it.
Because when you stand up andyou hit the top part of the
equator of the ball, it's notgonna go up, it's gonna go down.
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And when it goes the very bottomgroove of the club, without
question.
So it goes off the blade or thebottom groove of the club and it
goes flying across the screen,and then all of a sudden you
play left, right, left golf,right?
Army golf.
Um, and when we talk aboutshanking, same idea.
It's all tempo.
I mean, we got to go tempo townall day long.
So a lot of times when I grew upgolfing, the best thing that I
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ever learned how to do prior toall these, you know, equilibrium
drills and all these differentthings was I would just
literally sing a song.
You'd find a beat of a song andsay, Man, I'm gonna sing this,
and you kind of get that rhythmgoing, and you would take some
motion, you know, of a chip shotand say, Oh, this feels kind of
different because the song leadsyou.
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So I would definitely recommendfinding a song that fits your
motion because tempo isdifferent for every player.
SPEAKER_04 (04:56):
Ain't no mountain.
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Yeah, dude.
It's not like CPR, dude.
We're not going that route.
That's way too fast.
But yeah, I mean, ultimately,even that one to one, even if
you clam like three.
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Yeah, you got that.
SPEAKER_03 (05:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Day drop, day job.
No, you're actually pretty good.
You're pretty good.
Keep going.
Hey, so one, two, one, right?
I think if we go into that role,we're pretty solid.
And that it's like, hey, one,two, one.
So what we're looking at is theone, two is the back swing.
The one is impact.
SPEAKER_04 (05:25):
Like a hip-hop beat.
About 89 to 92 beats per minute.
Is it like brown chicken browncow?
I mean, I'm going back SnoopDogg, Dr.
Drake, Grandmaster Flash, youand me both.
90s, baby.
SPEAKER_03 (05:38):
So ultimately, if we can get into a rhythm or tempo,
it allows our shoulders to move,it allows the big muscles to
help.
Because a lot of times when weblade, also, if we don't pop out
of posture, we use our hands andour wrists.
And if our wrists come in and wefeel like the ground's gonna get
in the way, we we move thosewrists really quick so we don't
hit the ground, and then all ofa sudden the ball gets in the
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way by the blade and we hit itover the green, also.
So not only is posture a bigthing, but also how we get in
the way of the low point of theclub or if the ground gets in
the way.
So a lot of a lot of it again,learn how to putt, learn how to
chip, go find your PGAprofessional.
You know, it's super easybecause when we look at it, it
was we look at it balancepoints.
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If you're not balanced at theaddress, the back swing at the
top, and the finish, you'regonna hit a bad shot.
It's just what it is.
Amen.
Game on.
I'm still celebrating.
You know why?
Because your son's awesome.
Okay.
But that's not the reason.
Because you're happy we get totalk today?
(06:44):
For sure.
Not a boy.
That's that's that's the top ofit.
Because I put a happy face onthe scoreboard in our
tournament?
SPEAKER_04 (06:49):
Because our league kicked your butt.
That's why.
My team kicked your team's butt.
SPEAKER_03 (06:54):
You know what's weird about that is we have
handicaps, right?
League handicaps, so tough.
And our team played so good, andI was out of town, that the team
handicaps got chopped.
So our totaled handicaps arelike a four.
Do I think that's accurate?
Not a hundred percent.
Do I think my team's good?
(07:15):
Absolutely.
Do I think their handicaps basedon where they are is accurate
relative to what they shot?
No, because they didn't have toputt.
Because we have auto-put.
SPEAKER_04 (07:24):
Do I think it's accurate that they took my
handicap from an 18 to a zerofor the final round?
That's tough.
That's tough, man.
Yeah, that's tough.
But So I I will say, yes, I wantto brag on this show because we
won.
However, I did not carry what Iowed my team or what I should
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have in the final round becausethey moved my handicapped to
zero and I shot a I shot a nineon hole eighteen.
Yeah.
Because it was fantasy golf.
There's hold on.
Don't even get me started onthat.
Wait, wait, wait.
I told I told my teammates, Isaid, Do you know this is funny?
The only if they beat us, theonly reason they beat us is
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because we're playing fantasygolf.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
You can say whatever you want.
The thing is, is golf garagesimulation is exactly the same
as on course when it comes towhat your mind does to you.
And when you put pressure on thecode, it's a whole island greens
on everything.
And the final hole was brutal,right?
I birdied it.
I shot two under on the TGLcourse and I wasn't in the
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playoffs.
And I made one bogey.
So the thing of it is, it wasn'tthat it was so hard.
It was that if you missed thefairway, you were out of bounds.
And so ultimately it was amental test.
SPEAKER_04 (08:44):
That wasn't my problem.
On hole 18, I hit into the firstset of bunkers because I
couldn't see them.
And I should have looked at thediagram, but I didn't.
I just saw the fairway process.
I hit it.
I hit it where I wanted to hitit, but I ended up in a fairway
bunker and right up against thelip.
So those pink glasses are hot,man.
I you've distracted me.
(09:06):
So my teammates are like, okay,you're one, you're 181 out.
Take your seven iron and pretendlike that lip isn't there.
So I hit my seven iron, hit thelip, bounce backwards, back into
the bunker.
No, it bounced backwards and offthe cliff into the water.
So I had to take a rehit, so nowI'm hitting like four or five.
(09:28):
I'm like, okay, I'm gonna take apitching wedge.
That'll get over that lip.
No, hit the lip, bounce off intothe water again.
Like, okay, I'm gonna take my 60degree wedge.
That'll surely get out of there.
Which wedge?
60.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I you know, I should havegone to the 69, but I hit my 60
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degree wedge, that hit the lip,bounced back into the water
again, and then it was like thatwas my tenth stroke, and it
defaulted me to a nine and toldme I needed to just take a back
seat and we needed to move on.
SPEAKER_03 (10:02):
So hey, you know what?
That was whole 18.
So can I tell you?
We ended rough.
Quick question.
Right?
Are there pictures on thescorecard?
No.
Congratulations, you won.
SPEAKER_04 (10:17):
All right.
I'm just trying to be honest.
I'm just trying to be honest andsay, hey, this was my struggle.
You know, I I had a handful ofpars.
I'm so proud of you.
I'm so nobody.
SPEAKER_03 (10:27):
I am so proud of you right now.
It's not any funny.
You should be.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
You're lying, but I make me feel like that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:32):
Honestly, honestly, I gotta run a business.
I gotta do all this stuff,right?
Today, you know what was so coolabout our tournament?
What?
On the scoreboard was a happyface.
I love that.
So the tournament was like a funevent to network and all this
stuff.
How was Centennial today?
It was great, it was awesome.
They just tight fairways.
(10:52):
The fairways were awesome.
The greens were a little slowerbecause they airified, but they
were smooth.
I mean, you can't complain aboutit.
It was in good shape.
And ultimately for us, like thefun thing was I handed the
scorecard and we put happy facesand frowny faces for the score.
And it was the funniest thingever when I handed it to the
head pro and he looks at itlike, whoa, what am I supposed
to do with this?
(11:13):
Yeah, daggone.
What am I supposed to do withthis?
So, like, just put a happy face.
We're gonna get him on thepodcast, so we're gonna get him,
gotta get him a little whiskey.
So I think we shot 54.
We shot 1800 as a team with twobeginner golfers and Andy Baker
and myself, who doesfranchising, and it was such a
fun tournament.
And there was like threecompanies in town that put it on
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that said, hey, come play inthis.
There was no fee, it was justnetworking.
And I love it.
Dude, we we got two membershipsout of it minimum, and we got
like two events out of it.
And I was like, this is exactlywhat needs to happen more, and
that's what golf garage is for.
This is what golf is all aboutin general, yeah, all day long.
And golf garage just embracesthat.
Yeah.
So I want to switch, I want toflip this up.
(11:56):
So ultimately, last week wetalked a lot about um your son
Toby.
He is starting to mature um fromthe standpoint not only mentally
but physically.
I get the chance to work withToby every Wednesday for the
most part at 8:30 a.m., unlesswe're back from a road trip with
SOU.
And Toby is like the kindest,awesome, like I'll do anything
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type of a soul.
But he's starting to understandcompetition right now.
He's starting to mature, he'sstarting to get clubhead speed.
He wants to start winning.
Like, you can just see that umhe's hungry.
Yeah, he's hungry.
And if he doesn't do better,he's gonna like start getting
upset.
So, what's cool about this partof his life is that you know,
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this is where we get excited ascoaches to see that his passion
is so high for the sport thatthis is the game that he's
probably gonna play for the restof his life.
So, with that being said, now wehave to understand how to try to
feed that.
And so with Toby, a couplethings.
One, you know, he's gettingassessed by a doctor right now.
(13:01):
So tell us a little bit aboutthat, Darren.
Um, he's with a PT.
Tell us about the first coupleweeks with that.
SPEAKER_04 (13:06):
I so Toby, we're we're gonna get real personal
here for a second, and I'm gonnabe completely honest, has had
some developmental issues whenit comes to eating and um
providing enough nutrients forhis body to grow.
Uh, he has a little bit of aneating disorder, not not nothing
(13:27):
like um strong up meals, nothinglike an obsession with with
weight loss, but a fear ofhealthy foods.
And we have made a lot ofprogress over the last year and
a half in overcoming that andbeing able to get some weight on
him.
Um but during that process, Ithink he has fallen way behind
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in the ability to have builtbuilt enough foundational body
strength, structure, and balanceum to support what his needs for
his age are.
And so we've had a lot ofconsultations with his with
physicians, with nutritionists,uh, increasing his calorie and
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fat intake.
We've gotten to finally put onsome weight and start to build
some strength, but he's a littlebit behind the curve for a
14-year-old.
However, he's able to hit a aneight-iron 180 yards and hit a
driver 250 yards because of histechnique.
(14:36):
Once we start to bring hisstrength online, I think his
potential is limitless.
And so he just started seeing aphysical therapist a couple of
weeks ago um who's working onthat foundational strength, and
I want that to work hand in handwith professional golf fitness
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training.
And that's why we're here todayto talk to Coach Matt.
SPEAKER_03 (15:03):
Yeah, and I and I would just say that to add on
from the coach's perspective,there's nothing better than to
get a doctor's perspective ofwhere the body is in order to
then give complete confidence toa performance coach to say this
kid or this person can doanything they want, or they're
(15:27):
limited here, and we need you tohelp them.
So, you know, with Coach Matt,our our director of performance
at golf garage, once heunderstands that there's nothing
that that person can't do,there's no limitations, or there
are, and he understands theparameters, he can take them to
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that limit and get them dialedin so fast.
It's like it's like stupid.
I worked out with the SOU golfteam about two weeks ago, and
Matt knew that I hadn't workedout in probably three or four
months, just with everythingwith business.
And he literally had 15 peoplethere, and he just said, Hey,
(16:11):
modify this to this for youbecause you haven't worked out.
And immediately I was like,Okay, sounds great.
And I was like, Oh wow, I'm gladI didn't have to do what they
did because if I did, I'dprobably hurt myself.
So he was able to make amodification on the fly for
someone like me, and the teamwas able to do what they needed
to do, I was able to do what Ineeded to do, and the next day I
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couldn't get out of bed, and itwasn't a bad get out of bed, it
was like, dang, I worked hard,yes.
That was so cool, and I feltlike I could do it when I was
doing it, and then the next dayafter that I felt great, and
then the next week when I did itagain, there was another
modification.
It was like awesome! Like it'sso cool, right?
SPEAKER_04 (16:49):
Toby finishes some exercises, and he's like, My
legs feel like jello.
That's good, and then the nextmorning he wakes up, my legs are
sore.
I'm like, even better.
SPEAKER_03 (17:04):
So no pain, no gain.
So ultimately, it's a great timeto welcome Coach Matt Preston,
top 50 Golf Range Association ofAmerica performance coach to the
show.
Welcome, Coach Matt.
SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
How's it going, guys?
Great to be back.
SPEAKER_03 (17:24):
Welcome, Matt.
Thank you.
Golf clap.
Yeah, buddy.
Hey, so I also have to say thatCoach Matt is um one of the
coaches at the SOU SouthernOregon University golf program.
He is directly in charge of allthe performance with our
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collegiate players, and heabsolutely crushes it.
And on top of that, almost anyassessment that I do with a
player that is a sub-10handicap, Matt's in the room.
So trust this guy, know whathe's capable of.
Um, most of the time, it comesdown to what he sees prior to
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what I'm gonna do.
And then if it's something Iwant to do based on the
student's goals, we have aconversation privately to see if
that student can actuallyaccomplish that.
And if they can't, then we haveto tell them.
And if they can, then they gotto work harder in the gym with
Coach Matt, and then we go fromthere.
So his job is always to do whatthe player wants, but if they
can't do it, then we figure itout.
(18:27):
So, Coach Matt, can you talk alittle bit about some of your
experiences in the gym and justlike what you've seen?
Because you've had so muchsuccess with players very
quickly in just warmups, whetherthat is SOU players or just golf
garage players in general, um,based on what they are.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
So, yeah, for sure.
I think it just kind of comesdown to um, you know, assessing
things from from the beginningand finding out um the root
cause of um where someone canbenefit from the most.
And a lot of that comes from mybackground in sports medicine
where you know somebody wouldcome to you with an ankle
injury, and it's prettystraightforward where their
ankle's swollen, so they spraintheir ankle, and then their goal
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is to heal it and get back onthe field.
But you find out later on it wasactually a weakness from their
hip that actually caused, um,not caused, but it led to you
know the potential for you knowinjury elsewhere.
Yeah, exactly.
So there's you know predisposingfactors, and you know, you can't
you can't uh prevent any injury,right?
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There's forces outside of ourcontrol.
Um, but we can do our best tomitigate it as best we can, um,
you know, based off of what wesee from the assessment, whether
that's a mobility restriction orthings like that.
So um from the golf side ofthings, yeah, we just try to
assess from the very beginning.
And, you know, it's really justabout being efficient with your
time too and steering people inthe right direction.
(19:55):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
Tell me a little bit about your background, what your
degree is in, and what do you Imean, how where you are today
came to be.
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
Yeah, super long story, but to uh cut it short,
my um undergraduate degree is uhis a bachelor's of science in
athletic training.
So um did a three-year programum in athletic training
specifically.
Um at the end of that, I had aboard exam similar to lawyers
and had to pass that and becamea certified athletic trainer.
(20:27):
So much different than what apersonal trainer is.
I actually went to school forfour years to become a certified
athletic trainer in sportsmedicine.
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
More on the clinical side.
unknown (20:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Yeah.
I mean, most of the time you'llsee athletic trainers with
collegiate sports, at uh highschool sports, things like that,
um, kind of in the trenches withathletes.
Um, we're trained to, you know,treat, diagnose, um, prevent
injuries, uh, certified in CPRand first aid, um, a lot of
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emergency things as well.
Um, and then I went on to get myum master's degree in
kinesiology.
Um, and that's just the study ofhuman movement.
So just overall, um, justunderstanding the body and the
biomechanics and things likethat.
And then what we're all we weretrained to do in school is
really break it down based onwhat sport you were with at the
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time.
Um, so when I was with baseball,the you know, we're turned to
play parameters for a baseballplayer with a shoulder injury is
a lot different than a soccerplayer with a shoulder injury
because of the demands of thesport.
So I think the school and justthe you know hands-on experience
with all these different sportsreally allowed us to learn um
kind of a lot about the body andhow each sport really you know
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demands different things fromthe body, whether that's you
know an upper body sport likebaseball and golf and
volleyball, or you know, lowerbody sport like cross country,
for instance.
SPEAKER_03 (21:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
So so Matt, obviously we've seenplayers of all ages and
abilities.
What do you think you're mostproud of so far with your
assessments and then being ableto see progress?
SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
I don't know.
I think it's just I'm I'm proudof the students when they can
take ownership of what we'vegone over and they have the
tools to do it on their ownbecause ultimately I can't be
there for everything.
So, you know, I've worked with,you know, some of our members
here for a couple years, and um,you know, when they talk about
how influential our time hasbeen um over the past few years
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and you know how much it'simpacted their golf swing and
not only that, but their dailylife.
Like I'm just you know thankfulto have a part of that too.
Um, you know, I think that's thebiggest thing too is that they
they've learned a lot.
And I I try to teach a lot ofpeople about what we're doing
and the whys behind it, not justyou know, yelling at them to
squat lower or bench moreweight, right?
SPEAKER_04 (22:56):
There's a lot of harder, swing faster.
SPEAKER_01 (22:58):
Yeah, exactly.
There's a lot of intent.
I use the word intent a lotbecause there's always a reason
behind what we're doing.
SPEAKER_04 (23:04):
Let's go to one more question.
We have you know, we've beentalking a lot about um drills
and technique lately.
Let's hear what Tyler has toask.
SPEAKER_02 (23:14):
Hey guys, what drills can I do at home with a
limited amount of equipment thatI have um not at the range,
obviously, to improve my game?
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Yeah, it's a great question.
Um, the nice thing about golf isit is a movement of the body,
and your body and a golf club isall the equipment that you'll
ever need.
So um I know Tyler, we've workedtogether in the past.
So um doing a lot of splitstance, balance things, uh
rotating the body, learning howto um do the small things really
well, like separating your upperbody and lower your lower body,
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um, getting into postureefficiently, um, just having
having something to give youfeedback.
So, like a mirror or a wall,right?
Things at home like that are umkind of the most you know
beneficial things that you canuse to have the feedback.
SPEAKER_03 (24:03):
Hey Matt, will you do me a favor and walk us
through like a two-minutewarm-up that you'd recommend for
any golfer out there?
I think that's the key, is likemost people are like, what can I
do to get better?
A golf diet just says this, butwe know that's not 100% accurate
to stop your slice or whateverthey say.
(24:24):
Like, but warming up is such ahuge opportunity.
And you've always asked thatquestion of like, hey, when are
you warmed up?
Do you usually feel it on holeone, hole two, hole three, hole
four?
And most people are like holefive.
You're like, Well, what wouldfeel what would you say?
Yeah, what do you feel like ifyou were like warmed up on hole
one, right?
So, what would you recommend forpeople?
And obviously, we can always putsome of these videos on the on
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our Facebook page, obviously, ofyou showing the warm-up, but
just go through what you callthem and like what you think
would be a benefit for ourstudents.
SPEAKER_01 (24:54):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing with the warmup is
physically getting warm.
So you have to do things, youknow, that are somewhat
challenging.
Um, and also doing, you know,multipot multiple um movements
at the same time.
So blending, you know, dynamicmovements together.
So doing a reverse lunge with atwist, you know, works the lower
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body and the upper body at thesame time while balancing.
Um, so you do that.
We would do a lateral jump, somepeople call it a skater jump,
um, because that's superimportant to lower up the w warm
up the lower body and also learnhow to balance as well.
Um, doing things in a splitstance like we talked about
earlier, and just trying torotate the club as fast as you
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can also just kind of feelswhere you're at with your
balance that day, too.
SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
So what what's the philosophy in grabbing like two
or three clubs in your hand andwarming up?
Kind of like swimming swingingtwo bats in baseball.
SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean, it it's a it's good if you want to.
I mean, the club will obviouslyfeel lighter if you go from a
heavier club to a lighter club,too.
But I think that there are otherthings, in my personal opinion,
that are more worth your timethan swinging weighted clubs for
two minutes.
SPEAKER_04 (26:07):
It's been popular in social media lately, the John
Daly approach, where you don'twarm up before a match.
You don't warm up before atournament.
You literally show up to thedriving range, you take your
favorite club in the bag, andyou hit it like two or three
times.
So it's a pitching wedge.
For most of us, it's pitchingwedge, right?
(26:27):
Show and get it.
That's our warm-up club.
That's what we that's the firstclub we grab when we get out to
the range, is our pitchingwedge.
Take your favorite club that youhit with confidence, hit it two
or three times, hit it well,walk away with that positive
mindset.
That mindset is better thanbeing physically warmed up.
What do you have to say aboutthat?
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
I think I mean confidence goes a long way.
SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
I disagree.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
I I want this debate.
SPEAKER_03 (26:54):
I 100% disagree.
Let's have it.
Can I say what I want to say?
Go ahead.
Movement gives confidence.
And if you're not moving freelyand you think you're gonna hit a
good shot and then it goes deadleft, why?
Because your body didn't moveproperly.
Happens all the time.
So you resolve that with morewarm-up.
SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
100% I can't tell you the amount of rounds,
especially in the late fallwinter time when it's cold
outside.
Well, I will warm up at home for30 minutes, show up to the first
T and walk to the first T andhit my first shot of the day
with a thousand more percent ofconfidence than I would if I hit
100 golf balls.
SPEAKER_04 (27:33):
Well, I know John Daly listens to this podcast, so
we've got to have him on todebate this.
SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
I mean, John Daly, though, is one of those.
He's a different breed of cat.
That's just ultimately, too.
Look at the guy, he'shypermobile, obviously.
Look at what the club does.
He keeps it on plane and hetakes it and almost hits the
ground with the golf club.
So somebody that has the abilityto move freer than someone else,
regardless of what the build ofthe body looks like, is no
(28:02):
bearing.
That is one per like that's oneperson.
Name another one, right?
Kenya.
SPEAKER_04 (28:10):
Well, Tiger in his current state, because he's so
limited.
SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
Well, no, but what I'm getting at is like when
someone has a what we call afreakishly uh looking golf swing
or a swing that's totallydifferent, their ability to move
is their mobility that day,right?
So Matt's actually someone let'sso Matt, let's get your
definition of flexibility overmobility, because that will
(28:34):
explain exactly what I'm talkingabout.
SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
Yeah, I mean, flexibility essentially um is
range range of motion that youhave to stretch to attain.
So if you, you know, weren'tsomeone that could touch their
toes, you would you know,stretch your hamstring and do
different things, and you'd beable to touch your toes, right?
Uh mobility is kind of more of acombination of flexibility and
strength, oftentimes referred toas cold mobility, is the range
(28:59):
of motion that you have, um, notat all times, but for the
majority of the time, when youhop out of bed, if you can just
reach down and touch your toes,um, you have the strength and
the flexibility to do thosemovements.
SPEAKER_04 (29:10):
Boom.
There you go.
So, where does some mindset playcome into play with this and how
does that balance?
SPEAKER_03 (29:17):
I would just say from a coaching perspective,
that if you know what yourbody's capable of doing, you're
gonna have more confidence thansomeone that is not knowing
that, right?
So if I if I've never skiedbefore and my buddies are trying
to get me to go to the top ofthe mountain on the chairlift,
(29:39):
right?
Maybe you're more athleticphysically than they are, but I
I could be so much better atbasketball, baseball, softball,
whatever, whatever that is,right?
Soccer.
But I go to the top of themountain and I freeze and I'm
like, okay, I watch them justgrind down that mountain and you
fall down that mountain.
I fall down that mountain andinjure myself.
Jump.
SPEAKER_04 (30:00):
Did a bit of comedy bit on that.
That's hilarious, by the way.
SPEAKER_03 (30:03):
100%, right?
So I think ultimately you knowwhat you know, and ultimately we
have to learn behaviors, we haveto learn movement.
And I think, Matt, like that'sreally your forefront, is what I
see golfers and what you'rereally good at is making them
aware of maybe something thatneeds some help.
And once they're aware of that,you know, limited mobility, if
(30:28):
you will, um, all of a sudden,in a short amount of time, what
they wanted becomes a realityversus someone that's a golf
coach.
Oh, I can make you do that, justdo this drill, do it over and
over again, go to this position,go to the top of the swing, go
to position one, go to positioneight.
Like that doesn't work becausethe body doesn't allow you to
(30:52):
ever make it work.
But in two seconds, if Matt putsyou into a split stance, right?
Trail leg back, you know, andall of a sudden, you know, get
in golf posture, make somerotation over that lead leg, and
you start feeling something new,your brain says, I can do that
motion.
And then, like that, all of asudden, you're able to hit a
(31:16):
golf shot the way the golf prowants you to.
So I think the collaborationbetween a fitness professional
and the golf coach has to happenmoving forward because every
player is different.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Yeah, for sure.
I think when we think about likewhat does golf-specific movement
or golf-specific exercises looklike, we're just trying to get
to a point where a golfer's bodyisn't an issue in the swing.
They can have other issues inthe swing, right?
But we're trying to take youknow any issues of flexibility
(31:49):
and strength, yeah, physicallimitations out of the question.
So, you know, for me personally,when I go play around to golf,
if I can warm up properly, thattrumps the ability to hit you
know 20 golf balls and buildconfidence that way.
SPEAKER_04 (32:04):
So you put the rest of it on your mind.
Yeah.
Technique.
What you know?
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
I don't even I don't need I know a if my body is
feels the way I want it to feelon a daily basis, my swing will
be where I want it to be.
All right.
SPEAKER_04 (32:17):
So here that's that's like mind-blowing.
I mean, yeah, 100%.
But it's true.
SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
I mean, you think about it, it makes sense.
Well, the kicker on top of thatis what really matters?
And the answer is impact.
So you could say the golf swing,like you got somebody coming
across the line at the top.
So right-handed golfer goes tothe top of their golf swing,
golf clubs pointed dead right atthe top of the swing.
(32:44):
We don't want that.
No, right?
Everything says aim it at theaim it at the clo at the flag,
aim it at your target, aim it,you know, even you know, left of
your target.
It should be close proportional.
It doesn't even matter where theclub face is at that point.
It's like the club is so far outof quote unquote position.
So who cares if that happens ifthe club face gets back to
(33:07):
square relative to where they'retrying to hit it at impact?
And I think what happens with alot of these coaches is they get
caught up in this perfect golfswing that no one knows how to
make.
And I have an amazing story forthat.
So early on, um, I don't know ifyou guys knew about 3D capture
(33:27):
systems, but 3D capture systemscreate an avatar of your body.
I work in that industry, but notwith bodies.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
So it's like the green screens,like Spider-Man's, you put all
these like new markers ofphysical buildings.
100%.
You got markers on the body, yougot all this stuff.
So so essentially that that wasa thing for the golf swing.
And so I got about 16 markersput on my body, and I go up to
(33:52):
Columbia Edgewater Country Clubup in Portland.
Taylor Maid had this big vault,and I'm marked up and I'm ready
to go, and I'm I'm just pumped.
I'm like, cool, I'm I'm playinggood golf, I'm a plus three
handicap, and I start hittinggolf shots.
And then I find out TigerWoods's golf swing is on this,
and they can mirror Tiger swingwith my swing.
(34:14):
So we get up.
SPEAKER_04 (34:15):
His old swing or his current?
SPEAKER_03 (34:17):
It was probably okay, 200 uh eight.
It's probably his older swing.
Yeah, old older swing, butreally good swing.
Yeah, he was playing great rightbefore some of the injuries that
he had.
So we get up there and I'm like,just go to the top of the swing.
(34:38):
Let's see what it looks like,right?
And I I I was striping it thatday, so it felt good.
So I get up there and I matchit, and I'm laid off a little
bit relative to Tiger, so I gointo that, and then I get to a
position where my body's liketiger, and it feels fine.
But then I have to move mywrists into Tiger's position,
and it hurts so bad to do it.
(34:58):
And so right then and there Irealized injuries, right?
But no, it's that's Tiger's golfswing, that's not Noah
Horstman's golf swing.
Right.
So immediately I was like, everyplayer's different.
That's when I came up with thephilosophy that I teach on now
is that I'm not Tiger Woods, I'mnot six foot two, I haven't done
everything that Tiger's done inhis life.
(35:21):
You're right.
So if I'm not, you know, arelative of Tiger even, like,
how can I swing like Tiger?
I'm my own person, and so I haveto figure out my what works for
my golf swing.
And so when I did that, I hitthe ball and I hit it fine, but
I but it hurt to make tiger'sgolf swing.
And so ultimately, nobody isgonna ever make a golf swing
(35:44):
that hurts because your braindoesn't allow you to do that.
So I think I was young enough tosay I want to swing like tiger,
but I was mature enough to sayI'll never swing like tiger
because it hurts and I don'twant to hurt.
SPEAKER_04 (35:58):
Okay, so I get out here in the driving range on the
simulator and I wind up my swingmore.
I can do a whole lot more of abackswing than what what I
typically do, and I can do itwithout hurting.
But the problem is, is once Iget to the top of that backswing
where I have a lot of rotation,a high backswing, nothing hurts,
(36:21):
but I feel vulnerable, if thatmakes any sense whatsoever.
And now I feel like, okay, I'vegot this windup.
How am I now gonna collect it tobring it to exactly where I want
to be in a comfort zone onimpact?
SPEAKER_03 (36:36):
Yeah, so I think this is I'll I'll start and then
Matt, I think you need to finishthis because Do you understand
what I'm saying on that point?
I do.
I mean, part of this is mental.
So like you get to the top ofthe swing and all of a sudden
you're like, ooh, where do I go?
SPEAKER_04 (36:49):
Where do I go from here?
And how do I how do I take thiswound up, yeah, how do I take
this wound up energy that I'venow created and bring it,
collect it and bring it backinto a controlled form to have
impact with the face where Ineed it to be at impact.
SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
Yeah.
So so ultimately what happens isthe brain says, I'm in a
position I could do two or threedifferent things from here,
right?
Not just one.
SPEAKER_04 (37:16):
It could be 10 different things from here.
SPEAKER_03 (37:18):
And so ultimately, I'll let Matt talk about from
the ground up and how he couldmodify different positions to
stop you from over-rotating.
But but oddly enough, like whathappens is we have to feel a
sense of arm body connection.
And arm body connection can onlyhappen um, you know, if you find
(37:38):
out what your mobility is.
And so the assessment process isthe single most important thing.
And what's odd about it is theassessment happens when we first
see you.
And then we have to reassess,right?
So, based on your goals, ifyou're in here, you know,
weekly, we might reassess aftereight weeks, we might reassess
after four.
It's up to the professional todecide when Matt needs to come
(38:00):
in to do that reassessment.
But ultimately, it's like anydoctor you go to like, how much
range of motion do you have inyour shoulder and external
rotation?
How much range of motion do youhave in your hip?
Like all of those things aremeasured activities.
And in the golf swing, you aremoving your body in the same
way.
It's a dynamic movement, butMatt knows how to assess that
(38:23):
between separations.
And so, what's really cool aboutthis is that because you're so
good at moving in one way, youget caught up in saying, I'm so
good at this that maybe you movetoo much instead of us teaching
you how to stabilize a part toget you to not move so much, to
say, I can go really fastthrough impact.
(38:45):
So now all of a sudden, becauseyour brain's like, where do I go
over the top?
Underneath, underneath, youknow, inside out.
How do you compensate for that?
So you would need someone totell you that, right?
SPEAKER_04 (38:57):
And that's where, and and I know I'm speaking for
a lot of people who listen tothis podcast as an amateur.
I can I can I have more range ofmotion than what I typically use
on the golf horse and do itcomfortably.
Yes, but it pushes my comfortzone not in like pain level, but
(39:20):
in feeling and control.
SPEAKER_03 (39:22):
So, Matt, I think this is a perfect place for you
to take over to talk about whypeople over-rotate and the
ground up philosophy that youhave, because I think that's
super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is what Darren is
explaining is balance.
Right?
When you rotate too far, yourcenter of mass changes position
and your balance is off.
So immediately, once you're offbalance, then what are you gonna
do?
Do everything you can to notfall over.
SPEAKER_04 (39:52):
Right.
I just feel like I'm not inpain.
I feel this is in my comfortzone, but I feel like I have too
much physically and mentally tocollect and bring into alignment
on impact.
SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
Yeah, exactly.
It'd be like you know, once youleft the ground, right?
Do you feel like you could jumpon a one-inch box better or a
ten foot box?
SPEAKER_03 (40:15):
Right.
Of course.
Right.
And how would you do it?
Jump onto the one inch box.
And how would you do it relativeto the 10-inch box?
Well, it would be easy.
SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Yeah, a lot less force, less requ less control.
SPEAKER_04 (40:32):
Or within my control.
Yeah, exactly.
More in my comfort zone.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
So like you don't nobody starts at a 10-foot box.
But I mean, uh you have to startsomewhere.
So you know, every sport is alearned skill, especially golf,
right?
So you have to start small andand work your way up, right?
And so that's where you knowstrength and conditioning comes
in too, is because we're doingcontrolled movements, right,
(40:56):
under the eye of a trainedprofessional where you're
building and developing load.
That's where weight trainingcomes in too.
So, you know, just doingstretches on your own isn't
enough load to you know buildstrength and control, right?
You have to actually put enoughweight on the bar per se to
(41:16):
actually challenge the body toyou know make changes.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (41:22):
Well, I think ultimately, Matt, the stuff that
you do with your players isincredible.
Not only are you good atassessing, you're really good at
helping them develop.
And what's funny about thiswhole thing is I've worked with
performance coaches for uh let'ssee, or since 2007, and it is a
(41:49):
game changer.
I mean, the stuff that I don'tknow about the body and having
someone that does, um, and theway that you can coach it, um,
and the way you can communicateit back to the coach allows the
player to be successful.
So I think the biggest thing,you know, that I look at is it's
(42:11):
always up to what the playercomes in for.
It's it's their goal.
It's it's like, man, I want tobreak 90.
I want to break 100, I want tobreak 70.
It doesn't matter what it is.
And we get somebody that's 65and they've laid brick all year,
right?
That's a totally differentanimal.
Um, then we get somebody that'sa banker and they sit at their
(42:34):
chair all day.
That's a different animal.
And what's really great aboutthis process is as our academy
gets to know that person, and asyou know, Matt gets to know that
person, he can give themsomething they can do in their
chair at the bank or a 15-minutebreak after laying brick, or
something that just allows thatperson to relax those muscles or
(42:57):
move those muscles in the rightway that allows them to feel
like they can go out and playgood golf, regardless.
I think that's kind of the lostleader here is the fact that we
need more performance coaches inour industry.
And if you're only working witha swing coach, you're making a
big mistake.
(43:19):
And I'm gonna say that again,you are making a huge mistake.
And the other thing about it isif that swing coach can't give
you exercises and explain whyyou're doing them, then you need
to question why you're takingthose lessons.
I will always say that I loveevery PGA professional.
However, some professionals aremeant to work behind the counter
and some professionals are workmeant to teach golf.
(43:41):
And there are very few itprofessionals out there that can
teach the game of golf to themasses.
And we're just fortunate here atGolf Garage to have six PGA
coaches that care about peoplenumber one, want to build a
relationship with you, butultimately have the ability to
also say that if I don't knowwhy this person can't do it, I
(44:04):
have help from five othercoaches that will help me get
that person to the next level.
And that's what a team amountsto.
That's huge.
SPEAKER_04 (44:11):
If I have a 50-minute lesson one-on-one with
Coach Ryan next week, whatshould I ask?
What's my biggest why?
SPEAKER_03 (44:20):
I think your biggest why more than anything is um,
you know, you're getting itprobably in the simulator.
Yes.
And it's gonna be about contact.
Why do I hit the ground first?
Or why do I blade a shot?
And and and ultimately do Inarrow it down to a range of
(44:42):
clubs or do I go through thewhole bag?
I think for you, you're gonnaneed to start with the short
game first.
Okay.
You're gonna need to figure outhow to have good contacts.
Short game is in wedges, orshort game is in like nine
through seven iron.
No, with wedges.
You're you're gonna have tofigure out how to make good
contact with your 60 and your 52or whatever you have, right?
(45:02):
I mean, ultimately, because youhave a motion that's pretty
consistent with all your clubs,and so it'd be interesting to
see how you hit a 70-yard shotwhen your 52 goes 90, right?
So those in-between yardages, doyou keep your tempo or do you
always just quote unquote lashat it?
Right.
And I think that's where a lotof people struggle, is the fact
(45:26):
that they don't understand whatit feels like to have those
balance points.
And those balance points canonly happen if you have a good
tempo if you're golf swing.
Awesome.
I love it.
SPEAKER_04 (45:37):
Well, we're on that goal to break break 80.
Yep.
Um, this fall before the end ofthe year.
I'm close.
I shot an 80.
Yep.
Uh, I gotta break it.
Um Matt, we'll be talking more.
SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
Yeah, we'll get you and Toby both dialed.
SPEAKER_04 (45:52):
For sure.
Any words uh wisdom before weend and move on to the next
week?
SPEAKER_03 (45:56):
I had one more thing I was thinking about, and when I
talk about tempo, I I heardsomething from a very good
player.
He's a mini tour player, he's agood friend of mine.
He was the assistant pro atBeachmont Country Club in
Cleveland, and his name's Mark,and and Mark made this awesome
comment to me probably threeyears into my director of
instruction there that I reallytook to heart.
(46:19):
And he said, You can't teach thebackswing, you can't think about
the backswing when you're tryingto make a golf shot.
Like it was something to thatextent, and I was like, huh,
okay, sounds good.
And and I let it go, and thenall of a sudden it just stayed
with me.
And it was like two weeks oflike, what was he talking about?
(46:40):
Because as a director ofinstruction, I was like, you
know, I've got this person'sinside on the backswing, they're
they're way outside on thebackswing.
I gotta fix the backswing, Igotta fix grip, I gotta fix aim,
I gotta do all this stuff.
But what he was really talkingabout was when you're playing
golf, you can only think aboutwhat's in front of you.
You can only have a downswingthought, you can only think
(47:03):
about what it feels like to hitthe ball at impact.
Um, and so I think one of thecoolest things about that is for
any listener that doesn't evenwant to take a lesson that's
listening to this, is thinkabout the last foot prior to the
club face getting to the ball.
Is the club face left?
Is it right, or is it pointingat your target?
(47:23):
And you can do a simple drill ofjust making a backswing, look at
the ball, come down, and thenstop your club face just an inch
before the ball.
And where's that club face?
If it's one degree left, or ifit's right, right, open or
closed, that's gonna be a hugedifference difference in a sand
(47:44):
wedge versus a driver.
SPEAKER_04 (47:46):
And it'll be exaggerated the longer the club
gets.
SPEAKER_03 (47:49):
Right.
So if you have less loft like adriver and you swing at over 100
miles an hour, one to twodegrees open could be the
difference between the fairwayand the rough, depending on
where you start the ball.
And so I think it's reallyrelevant right now for a lot of
you on the show to say, hey, I'mgonna take a backswing and go
back to the ball and just seewhere my club face is pointed.
(48:10):
Because ultimately you can lookat it at address, but most
people just look at it and say,that's normal, and it could be
closed, right?
So get with your pro, figurethat out, right?
I mean, I'm not trying to tootgo spending a bunch of money on
professional help, but like youneed to get that.
If you want to play good golf,it's gonna be worth it for you.
And then number two, just checkit out at impact.
(48:34):
Put an alignment stickperpendicular to your target
line of where you're standingand see if your club face points
to it.
So super, super simple stuff.
Um, I'd love to hear more aboutthat.
I'm happy to put some videos onthere, but please call in, ask
some questions, post to ourFacebook page, let us know what
you want to hear about becauseyou know your questions mean a
(48:55):
lot to us.
Indeed.
Hey, that was a great show.
That was needy, man.
That was in depth.
Matt, thanks for being on theshow with us, dude.
We love you, man.
You're you're literally you'renumber one in our hearts, buddy.
SPEAKER_01 (49:08):
Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_03 (49:09):
Appreciate it.
Until next week.
Let's do it.
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