Golf Ball Showdown: TP5 vs Kirkland

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Ever wonder if those premium golf balls are really worth double or triple the price of budget options? We did too, so we put them to the test in our state-of-the-art golf studio.

During our comprehensive ball testing session at the Golf Garage, we compared offerings from every major manufacturer - TaylorMade, Titleist, Callaway, Bridgestone, Srixon, and yes, even Kirkland from Costco. What we discovered challenges conventional wisdom about golf ball performance and might save you hundreds this season.

The results were fascinating. While premium balls like the TP5 and Pro V1 demonstrated superior performance in specific areas (generating 10,500-12,000 RPM of wedge spin and providing better feel), the budget-friendly Kirkland performed remarkably well, especially in terms of accuracy off the driver. For many everyday golfers playing challenging courses where balls often disappear, the value proposition of budget balls becomes compelling.

Perhaps most surprising was how different balls dramatically affected launch conditions. Even with identical swings, we saw launch angles vary by as much as 10 degrees between different models! This isn't just interesting data - it translates directly to real-world performance. As we discovered, gaining just 5-7 yards of carry distance can mean hitting one less club into greens throughout your round.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the my golf source podcast.
Welcome to my golf source.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I am Darren and I'm Noah and I am excited.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Why.
Well, we've been playing golfall the time right now, because
the weather is perfect and thegolf garage is popping, and golf
garage is perfect weather.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's 100 degrees outside, so I don't know what
perfect is in your eyes.
72 in here, 69, baby.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Just like your wedge.
That's what we do.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, no it's my favorite club in the back Zero
humidity as well, so we testedgolf balls tonight, partner, we
did, and I did not hit the 69.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You said, grab your highest lofted wedge and I left
my 69 and my 60 in the bag and Igrabbed my 56.
Smart move.
Yeah, no, it was so fun so weplayed every golf ball under the
sun from makers from.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Bridgestone Titleist, TaylorMade Strixon, I mean we
kind of Callaway, we went afterit, I mean, and what was really
fun was that we had multipletypes of balls from each vendor.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Right.
Because, every vendor makestheir soft feel.
They make their distance, theymake their what they claim to be
their tour quality ball yeah,for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I mean, and it was really fun for me because we
started the night out as a ballfitting like fireside chat, so
intimate setting, you know,there's like five of us around a
table just talking about a golfball.
Questions would come up,stories were told.
It's literally one of the mostunique ways to educate yourself.

(01:59):
And I mean, something came upwith the rules of golf that I
didn't know the answer to andI'm asking Siri, I'm jumping on
the USGA.
It was about how many dimpleswere allowed, and found out that
300 something, the 500something.
Well, yeah, it said the averageis between 300 and 500, but
there's no limit, and so I kindof thought there was no limit To

(02:19):
the drinks we can havedelivered to us while we're
doing this podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
There we go yes To the drinks we can have delivered
to us while we're doing thispodcast.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
There we go.
Yes, thank you, evan.
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
He makes the best Cadillac in town Pretty solid,
excited about those wins, andold-fashioned the old-fashioned
is literally the staple of GolfGarage.
Not to let it be too personal,but you let me take a sip of
your old-fashioned, and it wasgood.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah , don't tell Kimberly we're okay
.
It was, uh, it was incredible,and I will say that our food
scene's about to go off.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
The smash burger is off the charts, you try it.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I did Nice.
Do you get a double?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, no, cause I I ordered a pizza and then Evan
came out and he delivered myteammate a smash burger.
I'm like what You're stilldoing those he's all.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, you didn't ask for it.
I'm like you didn't tell me.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Uh-huh, yeah, it was the secret.
It's the secret I had to cutshort.
I had to cut short on the pizzaand order a single smash burger
and try it and I overindulgedbut it and there's nothing wrong
with that and you know what'sfunny is like going into this
whole smash burger scene, not togo off topic of golf balls, but
like I've been trying smashburgers every restaurant I go.

(03:31):
If I see it, I try it becausemy goal is we are known to be
the best burger in town.
You got to come to my house, ohyeah, you're not a restaurant,
do you just go hang out withy'all?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Make some ribs, you make some smash burgers, we're
good, you bring the whiskey,I'll bring the beef, and we're
all good.
There it is.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
There it is.
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, Ihave not had a smash burger
better than chef Jason's in town, and it's it's so awesome that
he can create the texture thathe does on that thing, because I
had one the other night.
I won't name names, but ittastes like an In-N-Out burger
and it was supposed to be aSmashburger and it was soft.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's supposed to have that crunch.
There was no crunch.
It's supposed to have crunch onthe outside but not be
overcooked on the inside.
It takes him about 90 secondsto actually cook the Smashburger
, because he's got the grill onthe right.
You get a hot griddle.
You get a hot griddle.
You smash it down super thin.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, yeah, he's dialed.
So anyway.
Next thing real quick sushi too.
So I'm just saying it'shappening in August we're going
full sushi, we're going fullsmash burger shortly after, and
then old fashions.
Those are the things that we'retrying to figure out.
We have identity at the golfgarage for food and beverage and

(04:47):
I'd say those are the thingswe're looking for.
You know, I also another onethat happened today right,
heather's margaritas are goodtoo.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh, she's, she's so good.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So I don't want to say I trained her, but I trained
her.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
The way you like it there you go.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
So if you come to the golf garage, ask for a Cadillac
.
Margarita Darren's Way.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So is that a new shirt, Darren's Way.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
No, that's not interesting.
Just ask for it, they'll takegood care of it.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I promise I've got one for you.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I had a buddy who played on me Steve, he'll kill
me for telling the story, but hehad one margarita my way and
he's standing over the golf ballswaying back and forth and he's
like dude, never again, neveragain.
I hate your way.
I'm not doing this anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh yeah, Well, we just had a wing delivery from
Evan.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I've got my pizza, you've got your wings.
I've got my pizza, you got yourwings.
I got my Cadillac, you got yourcider, but your old fashioned
is gone.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It happens.
So here's the shirt.
So I have this funny thing thatif anybody hits a wall, we're
indoors, obviously, and ponywall for safety on a hallway,
and then we've got this awesomefaux brick wall with our big
golf garage logo Five bucks ifyou hit it.
Yeah Right, five bucks if youhit it Right.
So here's the deal Don't thinit.
Yeah, make insurance.

(06:08):
It says five bucks if you hitit.
And when you pay me the fivebucks you get a shirt and it
says it right on there Golfgarage on the front.
Five bucks if you hit it.
Yeah, I paid five bucks at thegolf.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, that'll work too.
What for?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh, don't worry about that yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I was on top of my membership there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, it'll be okay.
Memberships are not expensiverelative to private clubs.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
They're really not.
Not at all.
We're half the price of thecountry club.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah 24-7 access 24-7 .

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, and we're different, and you know what?
There's always a PGA Pro aroundhere.
If you walk up and say, hey,look at my swing, give me a
quick pointer.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
It's what it costs you nothing.
That's what we strive ourselfon is good service.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean, obviously, if you want an hour of undivided
focus attention, it's going tocost you a penny.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
but we always talk about.
This service is free.
When you come to work, youleave your stuff at the door and
service is free and whatever wecan do for that person is what
we're going to do and ultimatelywe're building relationships,
we're building a culture and acommunity and it's family first
baby.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And the one thing that you don't see anymore
anywhere, even at the countryclub find you, is when you walk
through the front door.
The staff here knows you byyour first name.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Dude, evan's got a photographic memory.
He knows your first name andthe drink you have.
Hey, would you like another oneof X?
And I'm like how do you do that?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
And that's why I tip 30% to 50% every time.
That's awesome.
I mean, Evan's a buddy.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
now he's no longer just Still in college, though
Got to pay his dues.
He's still in college, though.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
He's still in college , but I'll tell you what I went
to and I'll say this I'll givethem major props.
I went to the Claim Jumperfranchise restaurant in Portland
, in Tigard actually, and we hada party of about 20 people.
And our waiter came up and tookeverybody's order and didn't

(08:07):
write one thing down.
Not one thing.
And I'll tell you why he didnot mess up one order Do you
have his number.
Number one.
Call him.
I don't, but he needs to behired.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's called recruiting.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think we tipped him about 100%.
This was about five or sixyears ago, but this guy took
about 20 people's orders withall their, you know, no lettuce
on this, no tomato on that,extra onions on that.
And I'm thinking to myself ashe's taking these orders oh man,

(08:39):
this is going to be a disaster.
I'll tell you what.
Every single order was perfect.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
How about this one, so good friend of mine, terry
Frohmeyer?
I mentioned her on the podcast.
Maybe in like week one or twoshe won the senior women's
amateur.
So to me that's like highprofile player, right.
She's in the national spotlight, won a big tournament and she's
at her club, illahee Hillscountry club up in Salem hidden

(09:03):
gem, by the way.
If you get to play it, she's atthe club Illahee Hills Country
Club up in Salem Hidden gem, bythe way.
If you get to play it, she's atthe table.
And at the time she would drinkRed Bull.
She didn't drink alcohol andshe's at lunch and she asked for
Red Bull.
Just so happens, the club wasout of Red Bulls.
She said that's okay, I'll justhave water and if you can get
this, put my order in.
And blah, blah, blah.
So one of the waiters that tookher order runs down to the

(09:27):
supermarket, comes back, puts aRed Bull on her table.
Here you go, mrs Fronmeier,have a wonderful day.
And Terry told me about thisstory.
And at the end of the and atthe end of the tab, she takes
out a hundred dollar bill andputs it cash I love that and

(09:49):
puts it in the tip thing andwrites a little note and, you
know, basically says thank you.
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
You won above and beyond.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Correct.
I mean we talked a lot aboutthat and you know, even when I
was caddying for in the USGAchampionship, I think I caddied
for three or four times that wasone of the stories that would
come up.
So when we're playing, we'retalking about just life, right,
and I just thought and I'll Isaid it earlier I'm like service
is free, terry.
I mean I worked at that sameclub as a golf professional

(10:17):
director of instruction, youknow, college coach at
Willamette.
Like the things you give topeople, it's up to you on if you
decide to do it or not.
You know, and I think that'swhat's so?
cool and Terry is an amazingperson and a no BS.
She will cuss at you.
She is hilarious and she is agenuine individual.
Trump supporter, superconservative the stuff she says.

(10:40):
I just I dropped down and laughoh, I love her too.
But at the end of the day Ilearned a lot from that woman.
And you know somebody thatplayed golf in college D1, knew
Arnold Palmer's daughter had achance to fly private with Arnie
and her college coach said ifyou fly with Arnie on this trip,

(11:01):
you will not play in your nexttournament.
She didn't go.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
There wasn't a, she didn't even have to think about
it no, she ended up sayingobvious choice.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, but she didn't go.
She didn't go with Arnie, yeah.
It's brutal, so anyway.
So end of the day, like youknow, you think about her
personality trait and what ittakes to win a national
championship at that level.
She stopped playing golf for 30years, picked it back up.
I started working with her.
Another mentor of ours wasworking with her as well, Al

(11:31):
Cross just best instructor inthe world I think.
He was ranked like top fivefemale coaches in the country,
worked at Vintage Club, all thisstuff One of my big mentors.
But anyway, Terry was thepersonality trait that
perfection was never there, soshe just grinded and was always
looking for better and alwayslooking for better, never zero

(11:54):
there was never any it wasearned politics aside, because
we do not talk politics on thispodcast what are those?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I don't know, man, I just hear a lot about it on the
news and it's ugly and it's likeInstagram and Facebook news, or
oh, it's whatever they want.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's whatever they want you to see.
It's whatever they want you tosee, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
But, that being said, conservatism in your mindset
when it comes to your sports,your life, your business,
whatever is a good thing,because it keeps you humble,
keeps you focused and it keepsyour pride and entitlement aside
from what you need toaccomplish.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I would absolutely agree with you that
this day and age, with thetechnology and given my
businesses around technologyright, I have the best
technology in the world for golfbut that technology also feeds
you instant gratification.
And golf is not instantgratification, it is what you do

(12:58):
.
Ben Hogan is one of my favoritegolfers and on our bags I don't
know if you've noticed this wehave these little mini staff
bags that have golf balls out onthe chipping green right.
You know what those are.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
They say tailor made on them.
Well, there's a slogan on therethat says the more I practice,
the luckier I get.
Imagine that, Wow, there's some.
Or I dug it out of the dirt,right, I mean?
Things like that are so true,it's grit.
So let's move into collegecoaching.

(13:29):
Right?
So we're going into year fourat SOU.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Part of your team cares deeply and has grit.
Part of your team, I meandoesn't give a damn.
And you've got to bridge thatgap.
What I've noticed is this theyall give a damn.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
The difference is, if they don't make it that week,
they feel like failures and theymay not have the grit.
So I don't want to say theygive up per se, but they have to
learn how to roll around in itand come up with a par, instead
of giving up because the swing'snot perfect, because everything

(14:11):
that they have in the palm oftheir hand as a computer depends
on it as much or more than theydo themselves.
Does the team say that again, itshould Well as far as the great
needs that.
Again it should Well as far asthe great needs that.
Oh yeah, a hundred percent,they're part of something bigger
other than themselves.
So we have awards and, goinginto that, we had a freshman

(14:36):
this year when the Raider award.
So our mascots, the Raider.
To me that's a character award,it's a how did I support my
teammates?
How was I as a teammate?
This young man fought through aton of adversity.
He failed a class andcommunicated with a professor

(15:00):
and something didn't go his way.
He was ineligible in the spring.
Yet he still showed up topractice every day.
He still cheered on histeammates.
He texted me to find the linkto be able to watch his
teammates play and he knew hewasn't going to be able to play.
That is grit and that is whatwe need.
That's our sixth man.
That's love.
That's love for the game,that's love for your need.

(15:21):
That's our sixth man.
That's love.
That's love for the game,that's love for your teammates.
That's culture, right?
That's what we want.
Anyway, leadership, servantleadership, those are different
topics for another day, butlet's get into leading the way
in the golf ball in our testingtoday.
You know, our testing today.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So it's funny that I can't hit my club straight in my
life depends on it, unless NoahHorstman is watching.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That was pretty good.
You hit it great today.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I get up there, I grab my 56 wedge, which I hate,
mind you.
I would much rather take my 60or my pitching wedge.
I don't like my gap wedgeeither.
My 56 and my gap wedge are notmy favorite clubs, to say the
least, but I grab my 56 becauseI want to be in that kind of

(16:23):
neutral wedge zone somewhere inthe middle.
So I grabbed my 56 and,remarkably, I actually hit it
fairly well and I was generatingwhat Between 9 and 11,000
backspin.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
You were getting up there near 12,000.
I think your best hit was like11,700.
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
And it was only a 60, 70% swing, 80-yard raw carry.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Stop right there.
Did you learn something?
What percentage swing did youhave?
60, 70%.
So when we go break 80,.
Here's your first lesson on thepodcast.
I know I've helped you withchipping Right.
Here's your first lesson.
Every tour player in the worldhas something left in the bag,

(17:14):
minus maybe Bryson DeChambeau,but they all have that little
feel of 80%, 70%, 60%.
If you can take that throughyour entire game, you're going
to play better.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
True, and I do try to take that onto the course.
When I'm you know, I know I canhit my 56, 105 yards.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
What's the point?
It's not about how far, but howmany.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
But what's the point?
When I'm 105 yards out on thecourse, I usually grab my gap
wedge Like that, and I do thatknowing that I don't want to
swing 100% at this club.
So I grab my 56.
If I'm 85 yards out, I justneed a coach watching me all the

(17:58):
time.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, do you think the golf ball matters?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, a hundred percent, I mean it's.
I mean we were talking asidefrom the performance of the ball
itself.
Statistically it's thepreference of flatter clubface
and you know I like the sound ofit.

(18:37):
It's quieter.
When I hit the center of theclubface it's quiet, it's that
little click and you feel thecompression of the golf ball.
You get that physical feedbackthat you can feel With a lot of
the newer technology.
You get that little softer clubface.
It's a lot more forgiveness.

(18:57):
I'm not sure I get thegratification of a good hit from
the newer technology than I do,my current club Interesting.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
So if I said you picked up 40 yards distance and
you had a driver that soundedlike a tin can, would you like a
ping driver, sure, would younot?
Buy it.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It will be something I just have to get used to, but
of course I'd buy it if it gaveme the performance I wanted.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
So it's interesting, right.
So as a fitter right, I'm amaster club fitter I have to
figure out what the studentwants.
Ultimately, I have to peel awaythe onion.
I have to figure that out inabout two minutes.
I have to ask the rightquestions.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
But peeling away the onion can take two months.
I mean when it comes to havingthe person who's being fit
adjust to what they think intheir mind is a good hit, based
off of sound, when they'rehitting a totally different ball
.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And ultimately the way I look at any fitting
experience is they're going tocome to me and tell me what they
want or what they don't want.
Then I have to ask the rightquestion.
So I want to hit it farther.
Oh, that's easy, you did, Ilike that.
How much farther, right?
So then it turns into specifics.
So for me I look at if you canpick up at least five to seven

(20:26):
yards of carry distance, it'sworth changing that ball or it's
worth changing that driver 100%.
Right and it doesn't sound likemuch.
That's 15 feet.
That's a huge difference ingolf.
That's almost two-thirds of agolf club carry Like.
That's incredible amount ofdifference.
And that could be thedifference between you know a

(20:48):
sand wedge that you don't likeand your 60 degree right or
whatever it could be.
And ultimately, proximity tothe hole gets better when you
have a shorter club in, whichmeans that you have better
chances at birdies and pars,which means your score goes down
.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Correct.
I'd much rather hit a eightiron into the green on a par
four than a.
I'd much rather hit an eightiron into the green on a par
four than a six iron, Seven orsix sure.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, and so, ultimately, golf balls are the
most important piece ofequipment in your bag.
Everyone always asks me what'sthe most important thing you can
do.
Well, I mean the way I break itdown is putting's number one,
driving's number two, chipping'snumber three and iron's number
four.
I learned that from a goodfriend of mineig hocknell.
He's a mini tour slash pga tourplayer and I would not disagree

(21:33):
.
And I got it wrong when I firstguessed and he asked me to put
everything.
My putting has been on pointlately, but I still shoot high
80s, low 90s yeah, and I mean,when we look at this ball,
striking is a big thing, likewhen you hit your wedges.
What I noticed was you hit theground before the ball probably

(21:56):
50% of the time with theKirkland and a few times with
the TaylorMade.
Yeah, I mean.
And again, hitting behind theball is relative.
How much ground allows you tostill hit the ball Because the
bounce will relieve?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
it.
That depends a lot on thefairway conditions.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're playing on 100 and so, ultimately, when you
have a ball you're confident in,you get after it right, and I
mean that's the hard part abouttesting a ball.
Best thing in the world is ifyou had a number one, two, three
, four, five, six and a clubyou're confident yeah, but no
logos on the balls.
That would be the ideal, perfectsituation.
So today in our ball fitting inthe fireside chat, I let a

(22:34):
couple of people actually hitsome shots while we were doing
it and we did a blind test onthe putting, because I go back
to my days at Beachmont CountryClub when I had this woman that
told me that she could not feelthe difference in putting
between any golf ball and I said, okay, that sounds good.

(22:54):
Well, we're going to test itanyway.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
This is a great story .
I remember this.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, and so what we did was we hit both balls and
she said, nope, I don't feel adifference.
And every ball she had in herbag was different.
So that was kind of weird.
And I find about a 15 foot putt, so something just big enough
to have some swing to it um,with the putter, and I had her
make some strokes gettingcomfortable with the swing.

(23:20):
I didn't show her what ball wasgoing to go out and I said,
okay, great, now I want you toset your putter down, close your
eyes and when I say to putt, goahead and putt.
So she does it.
It's the first ball and it's thesecond ball.
And the first ball, mind you,was a top flight XL, I'll never

(23:47):
forget that.
And the second ball was a proV1.
And I purposely did this justbecause she said she couldn't
feel the difference with eyesclosed.
Her eyes opened up after thesecond ball and said that felt
so much softer.
So I don't, that doesn't and,yeah, it doesn't mean that
you're going to feel soft with apro v1, because we actually
challenged that today and thegentleman that hit thought the

(24:09):
Pro V1, or, I'm sorry, the TP5,right Equivalent to Pro V1X felt
harder than the two-piece golfball he hit.
So that's odd, it's feel.
I mean, what do you say If Ipinch you and I pinch somebody
else?
They're going to feel thatdifferent.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
But an amateur golfer is not going to hit the same
spot on the putter face everysingle time.
Well, I think that's the wholepoint which is going to make a
big difference.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
But putting is the closest thing to the center of
the face repeatedly that youwould probably do Makes sense
Because it's a smaller swing,controlled, controlled, correct.
So I think it's just a way tokind of get what somebody's
saying to you, because then youcan diagnose, feel and say,
interpret their language.
That's the whole point.
Is every person I teach I havea different language with them,

(24:58):
Right?
I mean, it's so funny when it'sa secret, right?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Funny you mentioned that because the putter makes a
lot of sense with that.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
So, like for you, I might say something to you that
you better not repeat to yourbuddies.
You could say, hey, noah gaveme a chipping lesson.
And they're going to say, oh,what did you learn?
And you're going to say, dothis.
Oh, I'm going to try that.
And you say, don't do that itdoesn't work.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's the opposite.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
For them, it won't work for them.
So, ultimately, ball isimportant and, going back to
that, the reason it's the mostimportant was I tested
everything today and I wasactually amazed at what I found
right.
I mean, you were there and wevideoed a bunch, so we're going
to put this on our on ourFacebook page.

(25:37):
But, like I hit some of thebest shots, they were all center
face, except my first one wasthin with my 58 degree wedge.
I had launch conditions thatwere so crazy different.
I had a ball that launchedalmost 40 degrees on my vertical
launch and my normal verticallaunch is right in that 28, 29.

(26:00):
I love 29 degrees in my 58.
That's like perfect and I'm alittle lower launcher guy anyway
.
Was that a super soft ball or asuper hard ball?
It was the Srixon Z star golfball.
It was crazy.
It went straight up in the airat 39 degrees.
I tried to hit it lower and Ionly got it down to 36.

(26:21):
When I knocked it down I sawthat, but the spin rate was the
weird part.
It was was spinning at like6,000.
Which it should have beenspinning at 11,000.
Yeah, but it was like comingout of the sky, super steep
because it was so vertical so itstill would have stopped.
So it counteracted the spin.
It was super interesting.
I want to get on the coursewith it just to see what it does

(26:41):
on greens that I'd play versusin the sim, but ultimately it
was a great test and play versusin the sim, but ultimately it
was a great test.
And the thing that I noticed wasI've played tp5x for a long
time.
I've always been.
I've always needed a lowerspinning golf ball, so I've been
.
I was um tidalist, um pro v1xwhen the x was a low spin ball.

(27:03):
Now it's just the regular wascallaway chrome soft x when I
was on staff with them for 11years and I've been TP five X
since.
I've been on tailor-made forthree years and this was the eye
opener for me.
I mean, I hit the TP five XGreat, it felt great, hit it
good, I controlled it.
My spin rate was like 10, five,10,500.

(27:24):
Um, launch was good.
I was the best shot.
I had hit A couple balls go byChrome Soft, few things, and
then I take the TP5 out.
My spin rate went like up 1,000.
And my launch stayed down andit felt good and I literally
almost didn't want to hit anyother balls because I'm like is

(27:46):
this for real?
So then I go to the chippinggreen and what happens?
I chip with it and it feelsgreat.
And it checked up better thanthe TP5X.
And then we hit driver and Icarried it.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But that's against the narrative.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
For me it is, and so I'm curious, like I now want to
call TaylorMade, and I want toask them, like, what's changed
in the last three years of theTP five?
I want to know more about this.
I know a lot about it being onthe national fitting council,
but I'm like was this ball youroriginal TP five, x and you just
changed it.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
We think if you're going to give up distance,
you're going to gain spin.
If we're going to give up spin,you're going to gain spin.
If you're going to give up spin, you're going to gain distance.
But it was not that effect withyou.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, yeah, all relative, and I mean the fact
that I picked up more carrynumbers, higher spin with my
wedges, same feel, if not better, and the check was there and I
had the same launch conditions.
That to me is a home run.
So when you're fitting for ball, you got to look at a lot of
different scenarios, but acouple things I'm gonna look at

(28:54):
launch and spin.
If you hit it through thewindow and then that person says
I love what that looks like, Ilove what that felt you are a
home run, and then the onlyother thing would be is like how
does it do around the greens?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
right.
So my teammate and I am simleague.
He brings in the higher endpremium callaway balls and I
usually hit the hit those and Ilike the feel of them.
I like my overall results withthem, except I'm not getting the

(29:31):
distance that I'm used togetting or that I think I should
be getting um from my tp5x thatI have in my bag.
Um, but ultimately, I'm thelast three weeks in simulator
league.
I've been shooting low 80sthat's awesome, which is great

(29:53):
for me and I've been hitting theCallaway balls, the higher-end
premium Callaways and I'mwondering is it the ball, or is
it me?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Today, you and I get out there and we compare the
Kirkland and the TP5X.
No, this is what everybody'sbeen thinking about too.
What is the big difference withthe Kirkland and a premium golf
?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
ball.
It's a big deal because there'sliterally I don't want to throw
a flat number out there, butthere's- it's about a third of
the cost.
Or less.
Yeah, yeah, off of retailEverything in cost goes a third
of the cost.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Come on, and you can return it whenever you want.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right and the Kirklands performed very well.
For me, the TP5s definitelyincreased my spin, as you noted,
on both my driver and my wedge,but the Kirkland balls

(31:00):
performed well, very well, andI'll tell you what because my
son and I joined you.
You had set up a 18-hole roundfor us at Shasta.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Mount Shasta Resort.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Mount Shasta Resort, which is a very narrow, hilly,
you know, wooded course, and Ihad told my son, who exclusively
plays TP5X.
I said I'm not going to haveyou hitting four or $5 golf
balls into the trees.

(31:33):
So I'm going to go to Costcoand I'm going to buy two dozen
golf balls for 28 bucks and hewas bent out of shape.
But when it came down to it andhe started hitting, hitting the
golf balls, he's like I'mimpressed.
Yeah, and that meant a lotcoming from my 13 year old who

(31:57):
is very ocd when it comes to hisgolf equipment to put it
politely, and I was hitting thekirklands as well.
And I'll tell you what when Ihit the center of the club face
on my driver and my irons, Ifelt really good about it.
In the simulator, when Iactually look at the data, there

(32:20):
is no dispute that thetailor-made TP5, TP5X gives me
better data, gives me betternumber.
There's no dispute on.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
that Sounded different was the biggest thing
I noticed.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
It was a softer sound , it wasn't as high a pitch of a
click.
But again, when it came to theactual numbers, there was no
dispute.
But again, when it came to theactual numbers, there was no
dispute.
The TP5 was outperforming inspin, in vertical launch angle,
outperforming the Kirkland.

(32:58):
However, when we're looking ata third to a quarter of the
price and we're going out to agolf course where we know, in
all honesty, we're going to losea lot of golf balls, it's a
home run it's a home run.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, so it's.
It is interesting the thingthat I felt different between
the Kirkland and the TP5 andagain, given I'm in a different
situation as a pro and I'm goingto change my ball probably at
least twice around depending onhow I'm playing with it, the
Kirkland once in a while to mefelt hollow.

(33:33):
It felt like hardened hollowwith driver.
What I also noticed with theKirkland was I guess I would
relate this to feel I didn'tfeel like I had as much feel
with the Kirkland.
It didn't feel like it stayedon the face like the TP5 did and
so because of that, I didn'tknow, I hit it dead straight
until I looked up.
But the Kirkland ball did govery, very straight.

(33:57):
It was awesome.
I mean straighter than the TP5.
I was going to say with driver,I think.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I came out of one drive, not quite as far, but
straighter.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
And for me, I will take distance over accuracy all
day of the week when I'm hitting12 yards.
I heard Tiger.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Woods on a YouTube video a long time ago, say I'll
take distance over accuracy anyday.
He said I would much rather hit120 yards out of the rough than
190 yards off the fairway.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Oh, come on, 150 out of the fairway versus 120 out of
the rough.
You're closer, it's so true.
And at that level I mean,unless they're playing in the US
Open at Oakmont, like they arethis week, where the rough is
literally insane.
I've been at that golf courseat the US Open.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I want to talk to you about that because that's a
crazy course.
It is.
Like 290 yard, par threes yes.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, downhill though , but still doesn't matter,
you're hit.
Some guys are hitting driver,some guys are hitting five woods
and three woods and it's justso dumb that's nuts for a par
three.
Well imagine if it gets rainy.
You're in Western Pennsylvania,they have thunderstorms, you
know, and when we went it was somuddy.
So 2010 US Open, bring myjunior golf academy.

(35:11):
I think Dustin Johnson won itthat year.
That was one of the best, mostmemorable experiences outside of
the drive trip and putt atAugusta that I've been part of,
and I remember we had these fivejunior golfers.
I had them all wear theirbright red shirts so they would
match, for two reasons One, so Idon't lose them in the crowds,

(35:32):
and two, it looks so cool when atour player sees these kids all
wearing the same thing with alogo on their shirt.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
They're like oh, who's that?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
So I told them and they were looking for wanting to
see Rory, they really wanted tosee Rory and he's coming down
18.
We're sitting in the bleacherson 18 in the practice round and
I just told him.
I said, hey guys, we justpassed by where the players'
cars are.
What if we go over there andwait for them?

(36:00):
I guarantee they're going towalk by to their car pretty soon
.
Just knowing what I knew frombeing out on the tourtee a
little bit, just knowing what Iknew from being out on the
tourtee a little bit.
And I left it up to them.
I said so you can either seeRory, come on 18, be 100 yards
away from him, or we can maybemeet some other guys.
So we go over and I'll neverforget this.

(36:22):
But we get right on thisalleyway no one's in this
walkway and the ropes go up andwe're right by where they
interview the players, but wecan't see it because they're
back in the interview area andwe got Ricky Fowler walk by.
So my thing is I'm looking atthe kids.
They don't know really what tosay.
Right, they're 13 and under.

(36:43):
And I say, hey, ricky, juniorGolf Academy.
He's not paying attention, he'sready to go to his car and he
stops, looks at him, turns over,talks to him, signs autographs,
right, just you know.
Probably two, three minutes, nobig deal.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
He can't stand the stash, but he looks like he can.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Oh yeah, he didn't have a stash then, but he had
the bright orange, so this wasearly on 2010.
And it was awesome.
So, you know, heads out.
And then we got guys coming infrom the parking lot and you
know they're still like, oh man,I wonder if Rory's going to
come out, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just like, yeah, he'llbe here eventually.
And then, next thing, you know,jason Allred walks through.

(37:24):
Jason was somebody that I knewwas playing and he's walks
through.
Jason was somebody that I knewwas playing and it's from
Ashland, oregon and I know Jason.
So I said hey, jason, ashlandOregon.
I said I'm from Medford and Ididn't say who I was.
And he comes over and lookscause I said Oregon stops Second
, as he smiles at me, he comesback over guy, spends 10 minutes

(37:45):
with the kids, talks him signstuff, get pictures right, all
this stuff right and and it wasawesome.
So now they're getting into itbecause they're like, oh, rory,
you know we're still excited,but, like now we're seeing tour
players getting talked to him.
Well, jordan speith's, uh,girlfriend walks by and I
remember seeing her.
So they weren't married at thetime yet, and I remember seeing
her on tv.
So I was like, oh, that'sspeith's girlfriend walks by and

(38:06):
I remember seeing her.
So they weren't married at thetime yet and I remember seeing
her on TV.
So I was like, oh, that'sSpieth's girlfriend, she had
Under Armour everything andwalks by and literally 30
seconds later Jordan Spiethcomes back and he had his hands
full and he's kind of on thephone.
But then he kind of gets off atabout 10 feet from us and I
said, hey, jordan, junior golfAcademy.

(38:26):
And at this point all theseadults are getting behind us
because they see what's going on, they see that they're stopping
for the kids.
So Jordan has his hands fullwith his underarm, where he's
got an apple in his hand, handshis apple, hands his shoes to
his girlfriend, comes over andtalks to the kids.
It was so cool and he was theguy at the time.
Jordan was moving and shakingin the tour besides Rory and

(38:50):
Tiger, and I mean it was insanejust how nice he was and the
time he spent asking questions.
And then finally here comesRory out of his interview.
So I literally was like hey,roryory, junior golf academy.
And I said it pretty loud andeverybody's like yelling at him.

(39:11):
He's ignoring everybody becausethey're all adults.
And then he sees them, hesmiles at the kids, he stops, he
spends about three minutes witheverybody signs everything well
.
One junior golfer looks at thiswatch, says oh rory, that's a
cool watch, can I have it?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
and he gave it.
No, he didn't give it.
He doesn't give.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Oh my gosh, he could afford it come on, it was great,
though it didn't need to begiven, but it was so good and
you know, takes pictures anddude, the guy is awesome, that's
I've met him a couple times,but like um, end of the day,
this was one of those dream cometrues that we didn't know how
it was going to go.
We're going to the us open.

(39:50):
We're just thinking, hey, we'regoing to walk the course.
And walking the golf course atoakmont is no joke, it is a
beast.
It's beyond a beast.
It in that year, with it beingwet, was like it had to have
been playing like six over parthousand yards.
I mean, yeah, it's so long andthe rough is so long.

(40:12):
I have a video of Angel Cabrerahitting out of rough that is no
joke up to my hip height and headvanced at 120 yards and I'm
just like I don't.
I was literally four or fivefeet away from his backswing and
I'm like there's no chance.
But I told the kids I'm likecome over here and watch what he
does.

(40:33):
Took him about 20 secondslonger than he probably would
have normally taken just to kindof identify what he wanted to
do, advanced it back in thefairway.
I'm like that, guys, they makeit look so easy.
But that was the best shot wesaw all tournament guys.
It was the best shot we saw alltournament guys.
It was the escape shot that youhave to learn how to play it
was so good.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So good so coach Ryan's very good at recognizing
that.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Oh yeah, when I recruited coach Ryan, it was
because of how he escaped it.
So we're up at Rose city, whichis a golf course that I'm not
going to say anything negativeabout.
We'll just say I didn't have agood experience there when I was
a junior golfer.
I still made Hogan Cup team,but it was one of those where I
almost didn't because of thattournament and I remember the

(41:19):
coach taking me out and I thinkI'll never forget it because
Ryan's up on the tee and hiscoach drives me straight to him
and Ryan hooks his ball andcrazy enough.
But we have 50-foot Sequoias inhis way and he's got two
options I'm going to go for thepin and hit the miracle shot.

(41:40):
I'm going to punch out.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Like, slice it around the tree.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, he had a big old high hook.
It's a 40-yard short and itwasn't that shot that got me.
I was like that's a good play,it's the smart play.
You had two choices.
It was that he hit it to a footfrom 40 yards and it looked
easy and he never lost hiscomposure, he never changed his
mentality at all and because ofthat I didn't have to see

(42:09):
another hole.
I watched him tee off justbecause.
But I left.
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
He comes up to me in sim league all the time and he
goes oh, look at that.
I mean not that I'm allowed tosay this on the podcast, but he
says you're in the shit, you'regood.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's funny.
Yeah, I mean, ultimately we alllearn how to do it.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
He knows that when I get into trouble I we all learn
how to do it.
He knows that when I get intotrouble I lose my give a damn
attitude and I just hit the golfball and expect that miracle
shot and I get it.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean, if you look at it tonight and when we were
doing the ball fitting and youwere saying I just need you
behind me, I need the pro behindme, it's a focus, fairway me,
it's a focus.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's a hidden fairway .

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, it's a focus, though, right.
So ultimately you didn't haveanything to worry about because
you knew I would tell you ifthere was something that you
needed to do differently.
So you swung freer, and this isthe first time in the Sims you
were ripping it with driver, youwere hammering it.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I'll tell you what, though it took me and, to be
completely honest, the Sims areamazing and I don't question
their accuracy at all, but whatI do question is when somebody
who's never played in a Simbefore comes in here, you get

(43:31):
that claustrophobic feeling likelike, especially somebody being
six foot three, like I am.
I get that feeling like thewalls are caving in on me, and
it took me several months to getover that.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I have a doctor you can go see there's a pill for
that.
You'll be okay.
No, you know it's funny, it'scalled.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Evan at the bar.
Yeah, there you go With anothermargarita.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, I can't imagine .
I'm 5'7".
How tall are you?
6'3", yeah, so it's a differentfeel altogether, it is.
What's unique about it is thesoftware set up so you hit on
the right side of the mat forthe right-handed golfer, so you
have a 16-foot by 25 foot widebay.
And the reason it feels like acave is because it needs to be

(44:16):
dark because of the projection.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I understand, but what I?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
like is the fact that there's a light that we can
turn on so you can see your ballstill and you don't have to
feel so claustrophobic.
I think the biggest thing isonce you let it out, you'll be
good, and you're not anywhere.
It's like hitting under a tree.
Am I going to hit that branch?
Am I going to hit that branchand you're two feet away from it
?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I'm not questioning that at all.
I I'm just saying it took me afew months of being a member
here at the golf garage to getover that feeling of being
indoors.
Sure, and I was talking to oneof the women who were one of the
ladies who was in your oh.
Shiloh, yeah, and I was.

(45:00):
I was kind of reminiscing withher that it took me a while to
get comfortable in the simulator, to swing as freely as I did on
did on the course, and now toswing as freely as I did on the
course, and now it's theopposite I swing more freely and
more confident in the sim.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
We had that when Ryan was on.
We were talking about how muchfreer, so like when Ryan would
hit, but it wasn't that way tostart.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It transitioned that's awesome Over time.
And now in the sim I hit myeight iron comfortably 165 yards
.
In the sim On the course it'smore like 150, 155.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
So I don't know if you can do this right, but I'm
really good at visualizingsomething without seeing it.
So in my mind, I'm over theball and I'm visualizing
hammering five iron into a bayno reason.
So it's like a field goal right.
My focus is so narrowed becausethere's no fear of losing a

(46:03):
ball, there's no fear of beingunder a tree.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I've got to get there .
I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
But that's mastery, right.
So your goal is to master that.
And then, when you get on thecourse, it's almost like hey,
there's a screen 10 feet infront of me and hammer that
thing at the screen and it'sgoing to go where you want it to
See.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
In my first six months I was like I shoot a
lower score on the course than Ido on the sim Period.
No question to ask it was legit.
It was legit.
Now I shoot a better scorelower score on the sim than I do
on the course.
It's awesome and it's because Ihit with more confidence in the

(46:44):
sim.
Yeah, and you know what I'vethought about this a lot too,
and that's something that I needto overcome Sure, because I
want to see that equal result.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
So think about this too.
Like golf course has rollinghills, slopes, you know
simulator is going to be off alevel lie, unless we put
something there.
But here's the deal If youcan't strike the ball, nine out
of 10 times solid off a levellie, who cares about the golf
course?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
You've got to be able to strike the ball nine out of
10 times solid off a level lie.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Who cares about the golf course?
You've got to be able to hitball first, so we're putting
this opportunity for you to dothat Cause the only difference
between a level lie and anuneven lie is how you set up to
the uneven lie to make it feellevel.
So if I have the ball above myfeet, I'm going to aim more
right, and all of a sudden, yes,it feels a little weird, but
now I'm stable.
So you're trying to findbalance off an uneven lie.
It's actually really easy.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
And if you can't strike the center of the club,
face off a perfectly level, evenlie every time, then the course
is pointless.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Well, and the course isn't pointless because you need
reps and to feel comfortable inthe situation of the golf
course and the grass, and allthat, right Understood.
But at the end of the day,we're trying to get you to make
a repeatable motion.
That's consistency.
What do you do at impact?
Can I do the same thing 10 outof 10 times?
That's consistency.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
When people say it out of 10 times yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Come on, when people say I want a consistent golf
swing, I'm like, okay, defineconsistency, Right.
So 85%.
Well, I don't know, Everyone'sdifferent.
So that's the hardest partabout when I'm teaching and they
say something so crazy like Iwant consistency.
Well, what does that mean toyou?
Cause every player is different.
60%, a hundred, and then itdepends on well, they all want

(48:31):
the most right, they all want Iwant to hit it like this.
I want to hit it a hundred moreyards, I want to not slice ever
again.
Okay, great, how much time doyou have, right?
So now it comes down tonarrowing it down, and so I'll
do one of two things as a coach,and this doesn't happen that
often.
But if somebody's so gung-hoabout it and I don't quite
believe that they're going to dowhat they say they're going to

(48:53):
do, I'll say I'll tell you what,I'll make you a deal.
And I'll say you tell me thisanswer first, and if I agree
with you, I'll take it.
I'll say how much are youwilling to pay to get to your
goal?
And then you know, they're kindof like look at me funny and
I'll say well, I'll tell youwhat I mean.
Are you willing to pay $5,000to shoot 10 strokes low?

(49:14):
Are you willing to pay 10?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Are you willing to work your ass off twice a week?
So now the accountability isback on them.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
The accountability is back on them and my only job is
to keep them accountable.
And if they don't do what I say, I'm guaranteed that money.
And if they do what I say, theyaccomplish their goal and I get
that money.
So it's totally worth it.
It's a win-win.
So at the end of the day, Iwill absolutely do that with
anybody that steps through thedoor.
Can I break 80?
Yeah, let's go, you will.
You will break 80.
It's not, can you?

(49:42):
You absolutely will.
Your game is good enough to doit.
It's that you haven't done ityet and it and it's like looking
at it.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I've shot low 80s in the sim.
Yeah, I've shot low mid 80s onthe course let's go to Bear
Creek Break 80.
That's just not fair.
That's not fair, let's go toStewart.
It's nine holes.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
So one of the things I look at, though, is break 80
at an easy course and then go toa tough course, and you'll
break 80.
Get me to break 80 at EaglePoint.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Is that your goal?
What tees Stone Ridge or EaglePoint for the Menzies?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
White tees, so gray tees from Eagle and whites from
the Silver's, from Eagle.
Yeah, I like it yeah, game on.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Awesome man.
That would be like mid-70s onCentennial from the Whites.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean Centennial's a funcourse.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Get me to 75 on Centennial from the whites.
Yeah, it's, it's crazy, I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Centennial is a fun course.
75 on Centennial from thewhites.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Ooh, you want to be that low.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
There's still some drivable par fours.
There's three, three drivablepar fours.
Man Two two drivable par fours.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, true, hey, you want to hear some some cool
stuff coming up.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So I've talked to a friend of mine with op 36.
So op 36 is short for operation36.
We love that model.
I've always taught from thegreen backwards small swings
make big swings and this modelstarts from 25 yards out and one
of the main coaches there isgoing to come on our podcast.
He just moved to Virginia so itmight be a week or two, and

(51:22):
then I'll also talk to thefounders of OP36 and get them on
as well.
But that's a really, really coolone that our audience will love
to hear.
It's a new way of practice.
It's a new way to play the game.
College players can drop thepar from 36 down to 20 for nine
holes and make it real tough.

(51:43):
And I think that's the coolthing about the game is learn
from the green and work back.
You'll understand the gamebetter.
You'll get the ball on theground, you'll know what the
ground does, you'll know how toread putts, you'll understand
grass, you'll understand lies,you'll understand which club to
pick right.
I think those are the big, bigkeys.
What strategy am I using here?
Even from a short distance, youknow, and we're going to bring

(52:07):
on one of our special guests whoactually called in and asked
for some tips, and Adam Rutledge, who owns Rutledge Real Estate
and he's a builder.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Rutledge Property Group.
Rutledge Property GroupProperty Management.
Right, he's one of my biggestclients.
I love that dude.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, I mean, you know him well and he's brilliant
too, like he's a great person,he's a great business person and
he's a good family guy.
And I'm excited to have himbecause I worked with Adam
because he was struggling sohard.
He just snap, hook everything,everything.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And I played a tournament with him one day, and
he did not even have a driverin his bag, and we were playing
a scramble, I'm, I'm like adam,what the heck dude.
I said we have to use three ofyour drives in this tournament
and you don't even have a driver.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
He's like no, told me , I couldn't have it yeah, well,
when your pitching wedge goes200 yards, it doesn't matter
anyway.
So I mean funny, funny thing,there we'll save some stories
about Adam.
But like that dude hammers theball.
And so today he comes in and hewanted to get fit and it was

(53:22):
really fun because we played inthe tournament last week and he
struggled actually more than I'dseen him in a while because he
just hasn't been playing.
He's working real hard rightnow with the real estate game
and he texted me the other day.
He's like I'm hitting it.
Good, I figured it out.
I'm like swinging easier CauseI kind of mentioned to him about
his tempo being way off and hisbalance being off and he's like
, yeah, I'm in it better.
So I come in and sure enough,I'm like, dude, you're turning

(53:46):
better than I've ever seen youturn before.
Like this is good stuff.
So I'm testing stuff with himand it was really interesting
because the guy can swing sohard at it, he's built, he's
strong, right he is I've got aregular flex seven wood that we
put in his hands and we gripdown on it and I mean he's

(54:07):
hitting that seven wood outthere, not trying 225, 230.
I mean that's like a four, fouriron or three iron, like that's
hammered and he can hit it 240.
So why would I ever change?
And I put a stiff flex in hishand and because he comes in so
steep at it couldn't get itairborne enough.
So this regular flex seven woodis like the gold for him and

(54:30):
I'm.
It just shows that every playeris different.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
You know it's funny because I came in here last week
ago, tuesday, and he was inhere.
He's like dude, darren, grab a.
You know, grab your clubs,let's play nine holes.
And I'm like I don't have myclubs here, I'm just here to
pick up my son.
He's like use my clubs.
My son was like use my clubs.
And I grabbed his driver and itfelt like gold to me.

(55:00):
It was an old cheap driver, itwas an old Cobra clubhead, but
you had put on some really niceextra stiff shaft on it.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I cut it down like three inches.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Something, whatever it was, you did to it, I don't
know, but I'm like dude, I'm inlove.
This isn't personal, but I needto take some pictures of your
driver and just meditate on thisa little while.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You got a picture already in a frame.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I do, I do and I smacked the crud out of his
driver and we were talking aboutit and he's like no, I'll put
this extra stiff shaft on it.
And I'm like, dude, whatever itis, that felt good.
It did not go quite as far asmy m2, as my tailor-made m2, but

(55:57):
man did it feel good.
It was a combination of thatstiffer shaft and the bigger
grip oh yeah and all of hisirons felt that way for me as
well, and so that justreinforces the importance of a
custom club fitting, because theclubs that I'm playing with
currently are just right off therack store bought.

(56:19):
You know clubs and I know,before I get serious with you
about breaking 80, it's like Ikind of want to be fit for clubs
that are meant for me.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
So let's go, because I'm not an average height
average build average swingperson.
So let's finish with this.
I've gotten to see you hit moreballs today than I have in a
while.
Number one you've got all thegame to break 80.
That's, that's not a problem.
I'm excited about thischallenge because I know you can

(56:52):
do it.
I wouldn't probably.
I would probably tell youstraight up if you couldn't
right.
I mean, there's a lot there,because I'm not going to
sugarcoat something thatsomebody doesn't want.
I think I can get people towhere they want to go, as long
as they put the time in and theyactually trust what I'm going
to say.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
You're a good Single digit hammy.
Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
But the hardest part is the head trash.
So like we have to dissectwhere you're thinking in your
thought process is and fix that.
That takes time, but, moreimportantly than that, you hit a
couple of good golf shots likeyou did with Adam's driver or
something and all of a suddenthat confidence level skyrockets
and you're there.
So here's what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I'm going to finish up today with us and we're going
to go through a game plan foryou here's what I think, though
honestly, just from myperspective and hitting being
used to my tailor-made m2 driverwith a regular stiff shaft and
adam's cobra.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Wait, did you say a regular stiff shaft?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
well, no, that's just a basic off the counter.
You just say a regular stiffshaft.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Well, no, that's just a basic off-the-counter
off-the-shelf stiff shaft.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
My club head goes further.
His shaft feels better.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Don't tell him that.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
No, he'd like that.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, exactly Love you.
Adam, yeah, we do so if wethink about game plan for you.
We got to get on the golfcourse.
We got to play some golf.
We'll throw some videos up,take a few pictures.
But that's your, that's ourassessment.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I know your swing road Valley country club this
Friday right.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
What do we got?
Oh, I'm not, but you are.
You're playing with Logan.
Okay, yep, yep, we're makingthe rounds.
As much as I want to play, mykids don't know this, yet we're
going to Tennessee next week,that's right.
So we have a family reunion, notbringing my clubs, totally fine
.
You know, we haven't been on avacation I can't tell you when

(58:51):
without anything, and this, tome, it's not a vacation because
I'll still work a little bit andI'm going to see family and
there's just a lot of thingsthat'll probably come up that we
have to do.
There's this family, and I wantmy kids to meet the extended
family, but ultimately we justsurprised them and I don't know

(59:11):
why I did this, but we are goingto Mexico in November, wow.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
This will be our first family vacation?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I don't know.
No, it's outside of Cancun,Between Cancun and there's like
another.
It's right on the beach.
It's supposed to be an awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
On the Gulf.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Coast Correct.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, it's supposed to be an awesome gulf coast, um,
correct, okay, yeah, it'ssupposed to be phenomenal and
end of the day, for us, thatmight be outside of my wife and
i's honeymoon 14 years ago.
This might be the first actualvacation I've taken where I'm
gonna turn my phone off foreight days.
Good for you and it's with myimmediate leaf or immediate

(59:53):
family only um and a few friendswhere we're not just let me
know ahead of time, because youand I text on a daily basis.
It's gonna happen.
No, I mean I'll text friendslike when I say turn it off, it
means anything work related willbe off the table.
I'm gonna trust the staff,they're ready to go and we're
gonna, we're gonna, just you'regonna out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You're going to text me pictures of yourself in a
thong bikini.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
What's going to probably happen is my feet will
be hanging out in the ocean andthe pool are going to be right
in that picture, and that's allyou're going to get, and you can
imagine whatever you want.
Leave it at that End of the day?
Yeah, is that called a walk-off?
It's a time, my friend.
Hey, that was fun today, darren, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Good work, man Golf balls are important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Taylormade TP5 is the new one I'm playing Versus the
TP5X.
It just performed better.
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I feel better about using the Kirkland balls on the
courses that I know I'm going tolose a lot of golf balls.
Not going to lie, You're notgoing to.
Value is good.
Value is uh, it's undisputableA hundred percent.
I still like the TP five Xthough.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
You hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Good man, all right, until next week, take care, have
a great night.