October 9, 2025 • 38 mins
We reset our fall golf game by swapping ego for strategy, dialing in iron contact, and turning par fives into birdie chances with three-wood first. We answer member questions on grip pressure, top-end gapping, wedge setups, and spin control through ball and driver fitting.
• breaking 80 by hitting center face and more greens in regulation
• course strategy with three-wood and play-the-hole-backwards planning
• red, yellow, green pin system to manage risk
• pressure practice using the programmable ladder drill
• process over proximity illustrated by a Ricky Fowler practice story
• grip pressure principles and hand roles for control
• fixing 7–4 iron gapping via blended sets and launch conditions
• specialty wedge fitting for 90–115 yard consistency
• ball selection, face control, and driver fit to manage spin
• junior pathway teaser with character skills that golf builds
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SPEAKER_04 (00:14):
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Oh my goodness, welcome back tomy golf source.
I'm Darren.
I'm Noah.
So excited to be back.
It's been a few weeks off, man.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
I know.
We've taken some time for sure,but the weather's changing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:28):
Tournaments going on.
What have you been up to for thelast month?
SPEAKER_03 (00:32):
Man, just everything.
We are crushing it here.
Golf Drudge is starting to getin full swing.
Rain's coming this weekend.
Traveling with SOU golf.
I don't know.
It just keeps going.
Golf league started back upagain.
It's busy.
Playoffs tonight.
Our team at it again.
And you're number two.
We're not no, you're no, we'relike number four.
SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
Yeah, we're like the last place team.
We're number, my team, numberone.
Uh-huh.
So we're playing each other.
So far.
SPEAKER_03 (00:59):
Let's go.
Bring it on.
It's kind of like, yeah, I know,right?
It's like FedEx Cup style.
It doesn't matter as long as youget in, right?
And we're playing Tory Pines.
Well, and that's kind of in yourneck of the woods down there.
Have you been practicing?
No.
My last round was 300 par lastweek, though.
That's kind of, I think, whatgot us going.
I finally played a good round.
SPEAKER_04 (01:20):
So I've been on a goal to break 80.
SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
I shot an 80.
So good.
I'm this close.
I'm there.
I can taste it.
I can feel it.
I will do it this fall.
SPEAKER_03 (01:34):
I know you will.
I know you will.
It's so fun to see too.
And Toby, uh, your son Tobyloves to tell me about your
rounds.
And he said, like, how muchbetter you're getting.
SPEAKER_04 (01:44):
So I we we played at Bar Run a couple of weeks ago up
in Rosebird.
And I was hitting seven ironthrough pitching wedge, and I
was hitting darts.
So why do you think that is?
Um just practice grinding out,you know, keeping my getting
(02:05):
that muscle memory built up ofkeeping your weight forward on
your left foot, um, keeping yourhands, keeping your hands ahead
of the golf ball.
So just being out there more.
Being out there on the coursemore and being in the simulator
and grinding out and figuringout my irons.
I mean, my distances are spoton.
And dude, I mean, realistically,like everybody else out there
(02:28):
who doesn't play golf for aliving, um you can hit an eight
eight iron and go, okay, wow, Ican hit this club 170 with with
a 85-90% swing, but you only dothat about 30% of the time
because you don't hit the centerof the club face, right?
Right, right.
So I'm hitting the center of theclub face more often now.
SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
Good for you.
SPEAKER_04 (02:50):
And so my distance is instead of hitting it 140 to
170, I'm now more consistentlyhitting it 160 to 170.
And so that's kind of gettingthat.
That's a huge difference.
That's awesome.
A huge difference.
And that is a big part of itbecause a lot of the time, you
know, struggling, hitting greensin regulation is a big part of
breaking 80, right?
(03:11):
You gotta hit more greens inregulation.
And I'd hit, you know, I'd shootit with my rangefinder and be
like, okay, I'm 165 out.
That's an eight-iron, and I'dhit my eight iron 140.
And I'd be short, and thenhaving to chip.
And you know, the samefrustrations as everybody and
their mother who's listening tothis podcast experiences, right?
SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
Oh, yeah, without question.
There's so many experiences outthere.
It'd be uh, you know, it justseems to me like it's every
lesson that's a new lesson, isthe goal is I want to be more
consistent.
We've talked about that, I thinkone of the first podcasts about
consistency, and it's like,define that for me.
What does that mean to you?
(03:54):
What that means to you isn'twhat it means to the next
person, right?
Everyone's consistency isdifferent, right?
Embarrassment, right?
I just don't want to beembarrassed in the numbers.
It takes too long.
I just I just need to get done,right?
And the funny thing is, is ifyou have a good round golfing,
you don't care how long itactually takes.
It's when you're not playinggood that you're like, I could
be doing this, or I could bespending time with my family, or
(04:15):
I could be doing the otherthings.
Closing a business deal rightnow all day.
SPEAKER_04 (04:19):
Yeah, exactly.
I wasted this time, and and no,it's it's different.
I'll tell you what, my idea ofconsistency is knowing how far I
hit my clubs and doing thatconsistently.
Uh my idea of consistency isbringing it into somewhat of a
reasonable window left to right.
You know, shot shape, usuallyshot shape.
(04:41):
I mean, listen, and I'll tellyou another big secret.
I put my driver away.
Oh, thank you.
I didn't hit it on the course atall.
And you hit it far enough thatyou don't need it.
And I hit my three wood 235 to250.
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Yeah.
And the average length golfcourse that you're playing is
probably somewhere between 6100and 6400.
Absolutely.
So your average par four isgonna be under 400 yards.
You're in a 250, you're gonnahave 150 in, which means you
have a nine iron in your hand.
Absolutely.
Or less.
SPEAKER_04 (05:15):
I'm gonna say or an eight, or even if I'm hitting a
seven iron, I'm hitting my ironsreally well.
And you know what?
I used to only hit my four ironto punch out from under trees
and you know, get myself out oftrouble.
Now I hit my four iron on thefairway.
Love it.
And I hit my four hybrid a wholeheck of a lot less.
Those hybrids are amazing howthey help off light.
(05:38):
They are, but I find myself withmy current swing and swinging
with a lot more confidence.
I find myself better off with afour-iron than a hybrid right
now.
SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
So, how hard was it for you to put driver away?
Because obviously you've beenplaying golf for years, and this
is probably one of the firsttimes you've ever done it.
SPEAKER_04 (05:56):
That it was a tough pill to swallow.
And and on some of the parfives, I'm not gonna lie, I'm
like, I got my driver out of mybag, I walked up to the T-box,
and I'm like, who am I kidding?
So I walk back and I switch itout for my three-wood, and I'm
like on a par five.
If there's any hole to not hit adriver and be able to reach the
green in regulation, it's on apar five.
(06:18):
Right?
Especially when you can pump athree-wood out 235, 240.
SPEAKER_03 (06:25):
Yeah, and I mean, I think what you have to realize
is you're putting yourself intoa place that your third shot you
can hit close.
So using golf garage as much asyou do, you gotta find out what
your favorite club is and hit itto that yardage more often and
play the hole backwards.
Play the hole backwards, explainthat.
Yeah, so play the holebackwards.
So what you're looking at iswhere's the whole location
(06:45):
around the green?
What kind of trouble is therearound that green complex?
And I always play red light,yellow light, green light.
So I'm, you know, when I'mplaying it backwards, I'm like,
hey, a red light pin is going tobe something where there is a
penalty area close by.
The pin is most likely tuckedclose to the edge of the green.
There's bunkers that are deeparound that pin.
And so you play away from thehole.
(07:07):
A yellow light might be that oneof those factors is in the
equation.
Maybe it's long, you can't go,or you can't go right.
And so, yet again, you'replaying a little more
conservative away from the hole,but you can be a little more
aggressive than a red light pin.
And a green light pin is justfire away.
It's a center pin, not a lot ofslope to the green and whatnot.
So, what's unique about that iswhen you play the hole
backwards, if it's a right holelocation and it's a dog leg to
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the right, you need to be as farleft on your T shot as you can
to access the pin on the right.
So you're playing the holebackwards, knowing where that
location may be.
Or if it's a front hole locationon a short hole and it leaves
you 40 yards out with driver,and that's an awkward yardage
for you because the holes upfront, you're probably going to
be better off hitting three woodor three iron on the T and
(07:52):
leaving yourself a full shotinto that front hole location.
So you can control spin.
You can go after the pin thengive yourself 100 yards out.
So just knowing andunderstanding hole locations,
playing the hole backwards, um,you know, and then that red, uh,
red light, yellow light, greenlight concept, super helpful in
course strategy.
And then once you have a plan,more than likely you're not
(08:13):
going to think about out ofbounds anymore because you're
like, my plan is to do this, andthat's why you play better.
SPEAKER_04 (08:18):
Of course.
That makes a lot of sense.
And another thing that I knowwe're all guilty of is par five.
So we want to get there in two.
We want to hit the ball as faras we can on our first shot.
We want to hit the ball as faras we can on our second shot.
In reality, if we want to setourselves up for success, the
likelihood of a par or a birdieis far greater on a par five.
(08:39):
Well, I think and so let's playit strategically.
Let's put our ego back in thebag, aka driver.
The big dog.
And let's and and let's playthis course to get as close to
the pin as we can in three.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Well, I think it's interesting that you said that.
When we get to the par five, welike to think about going for it
in two.
And so that's not part ofanybody's process that's any
good, right?
Because you're already thinkingabout the score you want to make
before you've even teed off.
And so what we need to thinkabout is yes, I would love to
make a four, I'd love to make athree, I'd love to make a two on
a par five, right?
Because ultimately, if I can getthere in two, that means I could
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make a two.
But people don't think that wayeither.
They're just like, I should makebirdie here because it's a par
five and I hit it far enough.
Well, now you're thinking aboutthe expectation, you hit one bad
shot, and most likely you'regonna make uh, you know, par or
bogey or worse because you pressto make birdie because that's
what you told yourself youshould have done.
So instead, you need tobacktrack and say, hey, look, I
know I can make a birdie on thishole.
(09:36):
That's great.
Now, what's the process first?
I've got to hit a T shot overhere, right?
And the only focus at that pointmoving forward is my T shot
going to you know, left centerof the fairway to give myself an
opportunity to avoid some treeson the right or whatever that
may be for that hole.
And then you're thinking about,okay, what's the conservative
aggressive play to knock it onand two?
Because maybe there's a bunker Ican't go in.
(09:58):
Because if I go in that bunker,I'm definitely making par
because the lip is so deep orwhatever, right?
So I think that's kind of thedirection is, and I still make
birdie even from the fairway,certainly can, right?
So you're always thinking aboutchess instead of you know
anything else.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (10:14):
With how I'm hitting my shorter irons right now, if I
can put myself inside of 130,chances of going up and down are
pretty good.
SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (10:23):
Inside of 130, and that's a birdie opportunity on a
par five.
SPEAKER_03 (10:26):
Yeah, without question.
SPEAKER_04 (10:27):
So if my second shot can put me at 125, 130 out, I've
got a good birdie opportunity.
SPEAKER_03 (10:33):
Well, the other thing for you is you're starting
to play good enough golf becauseyour ball striking is good that
it's always going to be aboutspeed or distance control.
So whether it's putting distancecontrol or it's distance control
with your iron.
So you need to really work hardon inside of 125 because it's
it's virtually proven now withstats that 70% of your score is
inside of 125, which is yourwedge game and below.
SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
And that is where my game has improved the most, thus
drop my score, you know, severalstrokes.
SPEAKER_03 (11:03):
Yeah, without question.
I mean, any good player is goingto be working on ladder drills
left and right where you workat, you know, let's just say
it's a five-yard ladder drillwhere you go 50, 50, 5, 60, 60,
570, right?
And they're gonna hit multipleballs from those spots and try
to get it to a certain distanceon the green.
SPEAKER_04 (11:18):
Tell us about the new ladder drill that's
available on the sim.
SPEAKER_03 (11:21):
Oh, it's awesome.
Yeah.
So the sim we found out todayactually has TGL on it and it
has almost 1800 golf courses onit.
It's got the Dubai DesertClassic course on it now.
So we're going all over theplace with GS Pro.
Um, but ladder drill is supercool.
And um, it was the one thing Ifelt like we were missing was
(11:43):
you would almost have to come upwith some of your own ladder
drills, but we now have theability to um basically program
the drill to what we want it tobe based on distance from the
hole to move up ladder.
Um, you can actually do a ladderto where you move back down the
ladder rung or have to startover on the ladder if you don't
accomplish a shot.
(12:04):
So when we talk about practicingthe right way, we always talk
about how do we create a courseenvironment, right?
Well, in a course environment,you get one opportunity off of
whatever shot that is on thathole to be successful.
Well, this is really puttingthat kind of pressure back on
you, right?
And and and then when somebodyis struggling in a certain
yardage, if they can get pastthat ladder rung, it just builds
(12:26):
so much confidence.
And we know that we fail a lotmore than we're successful.
And and that could meansomething as simple as I hit the
65 yard shot, 65 yards, but itstill felt bad.
So to a really exceptionalgolfer, that's a failure because
it felt bad and they wanted tofeel like a perfect golf shot.
But to an average player, theymay not know what it feels like
(12:48):
to hit it off of the heel or thetoe, and all they care about is
where the ball ended up.
SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
The truth is the PGA tour players hit golf shots all
the time that give them theultimate result of what they
want, but the golf shot didn'tfeel good.
Didn't have the shot shape thatthey wanted, it didn't have the
spin or the distance that theywanted, but ultimately when the
ball hit the ground and rolledout because it didn't have the
spin they wanted, they ended upgetting the distance and the
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placement that they wanted.
SPEAKER_03 (13:15):
That's a great point.
Um, quick story.
I'm at the Waste ManagementPhoenix Open practice round at
TPC Scottsdale, and I've got mywife and my brand new baby girl
when Emma was.
Oh, is this the diaper incidentthat you told me about?
Yeah.
So same time as a diaperincident, but there was a few
golfers I wanted to see.
I wanna see Tiger, of course,but uh always really enjoyed
(13:38):
Ricky Fowler and I alwaysthought he was great because I
got to follow him inside therope.
Oh, dude, he can stand that it'slike stash, no stash, orange
pants, whatever, right?
So we get up to I think it's thenumber one handicap hole on the
back nine, and there's waterdown the whole left side, and
it's a pretty long hole, sothey're hitting more of a seven,
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six, five iron end, depending onthe player.
And I remember watching Rickyhit this shot to 15 feet right
over the flag in the practiceround.
And I'm like, wow, that was agutsy play where that pin was
kind of close to the water, andyou know, you watch body
language a lot um as you want tofigure out what the tour players
(14:20):
are doing, just because they'relike anyone else, they're human,
and the cameras always, youknow, go away from them, and
sometimes you see a little bitmore in practice around what
they like or they don't like,and it was pretty cool.
Sure enough, he hits this golfshot and he doesn't even watch
it land, and he's alreadytalking to his caddy, and he's
like, Give me another ball.
And his caddy gets behind himand videotapes him, and he hits
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another golf shot, and he hitsit about 20 feet right of that
one.
So it's almost the equivalent of30 to 40 feet away from that
hole.
And he looks at his caddy, and Iremember hearing him say, That's
what I wanted to do, right?
So ultimately, from a crowdperspective, we see him flag
hunt this flag, and it was anamazing golf shot from where he
was, but the swing wasn't whathe was trying to accomplish, and
(15:05):
therefore he's like, Give me aball right away, and then he
hits the shot, looks at thevideo and says, That's what I
wanted.
So he didn't even care that hewas 40 more feet away.
And I think where the averagegolfer gets into trouble is they
care so much about going afterthe flag or being close, right?
That their score goes up becausethey don't know how to manage
that.
SPEAKER_04 (15:23):
Right.
So my son Toby, I came in laston Saturday morning after he was
done with his high schoolpractice, and I watched him
playing this ladder drill on thesimulator, and I was blown away.
I'm like, where did this comefrom?
And then he said, Well, Ryansaid it was brand new, and he
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got me set up on it, and this ispart of my practice today.
And he did really, really wellat it.
And I told him, Okay, you haveto do that every day.
I bring you in here now.
Um, so we have a members tipline that people can call into
and ask golf questions to us.
Uh, my son called into this uhtip line to ask his question.
SPEAKER_00 (16:07):
Hey guys, this is Toby.
I have a question about grip.
What is the proper grip pressureand is right or left hand grip
more important?
SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
Yeah, great question, Toby.
Um, and you know, in workingwith you, I think, you know,
it's interesting because you'restarting to mature and you're
starting to hit the ball a lotfarther.
So let's kind of go into that.
Grip pressure is unique becauseat address, if you're gripping
it too tight, they call it thedeath grip or whatever, if you
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will, it's gonna create tensionup your arms, um, up into your
shoulders, and it's going tomake it tougher to actually make
a motion or a turn, right?
So create lag.
Yeah, any of that, right?
So I think at the end of theday, what you'll want to look at
more than anything is eachplayer is slightly different.
(16:56):
The type of grip they have onthe club is going to be slightly
different.
Some players have a littlestronger grip than others.
You're very rarely going to finda weak grip.
But what happens is the harderyou swing, okay.
Think of it as tugawar, theharder you swing, the harder
you're gonna have to hold on tothe handle or it's gonna fly
out.
So they don't really teach youthat.
(17:18):
I've heard things like hold onto it like it's a baby's hand or
it's a baby bird or all thisstuff.
I'm like, you still have to holdon to the club.
And if you're swinging over ahundred miles an hour, your grip
is going to naturally gettighter, otherwise, the club's
gonna fly out of your hands.
So I think what you have to getinto is the idea of tension
defeats motion.
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So you want to hold it tightenough that you're not gonna let
it fly out.
But understand that as you startcreating speed, right?
Now all of a sudden, that grippressure will naturally tighten,
and there's nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (17:58):
So you want to hold on to it just enough to not
throw the club.
And it's funny I think with yourleft hand.
Yeah, you're a right-handedgolfer.
SPEAKER_03 (18:07):
There you go.
And I think also this is thefunny thing, too, right?
You have a cross-handed golfer.
There's grips.
We have a junior golfer that'sdoing that right now.
There was a 75-year-old that Iused to play with that
cross-handed grip, and he wouldliterally shoot 74 to 77 every
time at Centennial when heplayed.
Um, Gene Nemani was awesome.
But, you know, what we'relooking for more than anything
(18:27):
is finding a feel that works foryou.
And that's something that can'tnecessarily be taught.
What we do as coaches is say,you know, look, feel isn't real
half the time.
But when we're talking aboutgrip, you have to continue to
dig it out of the dirt to say,man, that felt good.
And then it's your job as aplayer to find the awareness of
what that grip pressure was thatworked for you because potting
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is going to feel different thanchipping.
I remember reading a book thatTiger wrote that on faster
greens you have lighter grippressure.
Well, I tried it, it workedgreat for me.
But other players may disagree.
Well, it never feels like I'mgripping it lighter.
I'm always gripping, I'mactually gripping it tighter.
And so that's the relative partof this: left hand versus right
hand.
Left hand's the driver, leftside's the driver, right?
(19:11):
That's the engine, that's themotor.
The right hand is the stability.
Um, it's the stabilizer of theclub face.
And so for a right-handedgolfer, so that's what we have
to right remember.
SPEAKER_04 (19:21):
And for a left hand, the left hand is your hold on to
the club and not throw it.
Your right hand is your steeringwheel.
SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
Yeah, you could say it that way for sure.
And then I mean, there's evendrills where I'll take the right
hand off at impact just to getsomeone to continue their
rotation.
And so there's things like thatthat you can do.
And I mean, ultimately, what Ithink is really fun if you want
to find your grip pressure, ishit a ball with just your right
hand, hit a ball with just yourleft hand, and use your wedges,
and that's gonna give you apretty good idea.
SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
I love that.
Good job.
Let's go to our next question.
What's up, Nate?
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Hey guys, I seem to have pretty consistent gapping
from the bottom of my bagthrough about seven iron.
And at seven, seven, six, five,and four all tend to carry about
the same uh distance, justcarrying different ball flights.
And I'm wondering what's uh anarea of the swing that I could
work on to tidy, tidy that up alittle bit and maybe extend the
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length on the top end of thebag.
SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
Yeah, hey, thanks for the question, Nate.
I think there's a lot going onhere.
Um, and we see this all the timeas we fit people for clubs.
So I'm gonna steer a little bitaway from the swing side of
things um and engage more in thetop end of what the set makeup
is.
And I know Nate has the same setall the way through, I believe,
is what we had talked to himabout before.
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So um what we're looking formore than anything is launch
conditions in this situation.
And it sounds like they're goingthe same distance, and then
maybe the flight is coming down,diving out of the sky as he gets
less and less loft.
So seven, six, five, four, andso on.
The other thing that happens isthe club length changes.
And as you get into a four-iron,it's quite a bit longer than
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your seven iron.
And so what's nice is at leasthe knows that that's where he
starts to struggle.
And so what we look at from afitting perspective is that, you
know, based on the type of clubyou're playing, there's
typically an alternative thatwill allow you to launch it
higher.
And if the ball stays in the airlonger because you've launched
it higher and it's still movingforward, then most likely your
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carry numbers will be better.
And then in this situation,that's kind of what we're
looking at is the fact thatwe'll use Taylor made as an
example.
They have all sorts of differentcategories and they have like a
muscle back and then they getinto a cavity back, and then
they get into a 770 and then a790 iron, and then they get into
more um of your game improvementiron, right?
So what would happen is let'sjust use the 770 for the
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example.
That's kind of the middle of thepack there.
A lot of people play that iron.
And so let's say your wedge areum 770 all the way to that eight
iron, because you can hit thatwell.
Then you would want to look atthe launch conditions and see if
they change if we put you into a790, and then we could lower the
center of gravity a little bitand get that ball to launch.
What happens a lot of times isit'll launch a little bit
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better, but maybe it's notperfect yet.
But the 790 is a little strongerlofted club.
So now we can also adjust loftto help with backspin conditions
and launch conditions together.
And now all of a sudden you'regetting um not just a dart
that's flying too far, becausethe 790 is hotter off the face
based on loft and how it'sdesigned, but you're also able
to control that a little bit byadding loft.
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And so now um instead of thereverse problem of, hey, my 770
eight iron goes, you know, thisfar and then my seven iron goes
way too far, you're able tocontrol that by modifying those
things.
So I would just say that forsomeone in this situation, the
number one thing is justchecking out equipment because
you're obviously able to hitthat eight, seven or uh eight
and nine and pitching wedge andso on.
(22:50):
Okay.
And it just goes back to, youknow, a really good player that
I used to work with that wouldonly bring a wedge and a driver
to the range, right?
And that's all he practicedwith.
And if you can hit a wedge welland you, you know, you're you're
swinging a driver after that.
Everything else in between isjust it's easy.
SPEAKER_04 (23:04):
I'll tell you where my trouble is right now is um 90
to 90 to 115 yards is the deathof me.
If I'm short of 90 or I'm at 120or more, I'm good.
(23:26):
Why?
Because my gap wedge is garbage.
And my gap wedge came in part ofmy iron set.
I bought an off-the-rack ironset a long time ago, and we need
to address that issue here in acouple of weeks.
Um but I am determined that mynext set is gonna be a pitching
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wedge through four iron.
I don't want the gap wedge aspart of the set.
I want a gap wedge as somethingthat is custom tailored for me
separate from the iron set.
And I like I said, my my gapwedge, I cannot hit that club
for the life of me right now.
But I can hit my 69, I can hitmy 60, I can hit my 56, and I
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can hit my pitching wedge.
SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
My gap wedge can't hit it.
Listen, I saw you in Sin Leaguehit that 69, and you hit it like
to gimme range, and everybodyfreaked out.
So if you can hit that club,then we know that all you need
is a traditional wedge at thatpoint.
SPEAKER_04 (24:24):
I'm good with the 69 inside of 35 yards.
I'm good with the 60 inside of70 yards, I'm good with a 56
inside of 90 yards.
I don't like to do that 90 yard,you know, I don't like to swing
the 56 to hit a hundred andhundred and five yard shot.
I don't like the club for that.
(24:45):
Maybe if I was custom fit forit, it would be a different
story.
But that gap between the 90-yardshot, 95 yard shot, and the
pitch, the soft pitching wedgeshot at 1520, that's my nemesis.
SPEAKER_03 (25:02):
Well, here's the deal.
So, viewers, here's what we'regonna do is we're gonna do that
fitting for you, and we're gonnarecord some of this, and then
we'll post it on our Facebookpage for you.
Love it.
All right.
Hey, let's go to our lastquestion for the day.
SPEAKER_04 (25:13):
What's up, Tyler?
SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
Hey guys, I have a question.
So I spin the ball a ton, waymore than the average person.
Um, proud and sad to admit that.
So my question is how how muchdoes um golf ball selection and
then the certain type of uh likedriver face affect that?
SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Oh man, what an awesome question.
And we just did ball fitting,you know, a few uh few months
ago.
Yeah, a couple months ago.
I guess it was, wasn't it?
It felt like it was weeks ago.
You know, I I think this is sucha cool thing, and um that was uh
Tyler Lake, right?
Yeah, yeah, perfect.
Okay, so um Tyler, number one,is a really good player, and he
has a ton of golf uh club atspeed.
SPEAKER_04 (25:55):
And so um naturally his spin is off the charts then.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
Yeah, he he definitely can spin the driver a
lot.
Um and what's unique about thisis spin is not a bad thing
necessarily.
Um, and especially if you hit itas far as he does, sometimes
spin is good.
Um, however, you are losing alot of distance, and so there's
a couple factors you're gonnalook at there.
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Number one, a premium golf ball,and we'll just use this example
of a uh Taylor-made TP5 versusTP5X or Pro V1, Pro V1X.
Um on those sides of things, oneof the balls will spin a little
bit less than the other, andusually you're looking at 300
RPM difference in that golfball.
(26:40):
So when you're dealing withsomeone that uh is spinning a
driver at over 3,000 spin,that's too much, right?
We're looking at that as a threewould so your your typical is
gonna be somewhere in that twoto three thousand range for your
average player, and you'relooking at a launch of 10 to 12
degrees with a driver.
(27:02):
So the number one thing whenwe're looking at a ball fit with
a driver is are you launching itwell, right?
And then are you spinning itwell?
So if you are and the ball'sstill not coming out of the sky
well, you're gonna look atdescent angle.
So is it descending for somereason out of the sky too steep?
And so there's a lot of factorsthat go into this.
Um, but going into the club faceside of the question, if that
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club face is open, right, all ofa sudden you can still hit what
looks like a fairly straightshot depending on, and we're not
gonna get into too much detail,but what your what your path and
your and your face to target areand everything, right?
But if your face is slightlyopen at impact, it's going to
obviously create some left toright spin.
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It's also going to createadditional backspin because
you've added loft at impact,right?
So a lot of times what we seewith a golfer is the two-way
miss to where, oh man, I'mnaturally cutting, I'm naturally
cutting it.
I don't like it.
My ball's hitting and stoppingbecause that face is open too
much, creating more backspin.
And then they do something inthe round and they pull one and
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they hit it so far and they goout of bounds.
So far left.
Yeah.
So far, yeah, they just hit ithard and left of their target
line, and now they squared theface up because they've
compensated.
And that's the one that probablywould have rolled out forever
because the face was moreneutral relative to their setup.
And all of a sudden thatbackspin went down and
everything changed because theyhit it on the center of the
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face.
Because what's happening is hitlocation rules, right?
Ball speeds are going to be upfrom the center of the face.
Also, if the face is open atall, the heel is actually
leading into the ball.
So you're mishitting it off theheel anyway.
So there's a lot of factorsthere.
But if we're looking at generaljust a ball, the ball is
everything in golf at this pointin time because the USGA has set
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um these rules that don't allowdriver faces to be any hotter
than they are.
And they also have put rules inthat the ball can't be any
faster off the face in themiddle of the hit than it
already is as well.
And so I think more thananything with um someone like
Tyler, there just needs to besome a couple of factors.
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One, can the ball do what hewants it to do, right?
When he looks up, is that ballflying through the window that
he wants to see?
Rory McElroy, um, a few yearsback, uh, most people don't know
this, but he was playing anolder ball than what was out.
He was still on staff withTaylor Maid, but oddly enough, I
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think this is public knowledgenow, but oddly enough, the newer
ball actually launched too highfor what he wanted to see.
And at a golfer at that level,if they look up and can't see
the ball on their sight line,they're lost, right?
There's a loss of confidence.
We all know that feeling.
Oh, yeah.
Where's the ball?
Oh, it's over there.
Oh, and it's funny whensomebody's like, Where's the
ball?
It's down the middle.
Oh it's over there.
(29:53):
It's your teammate sittingbehind you.
He notices it.
You don't see it.
Yeah, yeah.
So, so in in this Situationwhere he's playing a different
ball, you know, at some point intime, Taylor Me's like, we got
to find something that's goingto work for Rory.
And the consumer's gettingsmarter too, to where they're
like, I really want to play thekind of ball that they're
playing.
And so I think what's cool aboutthe manufacturers is they're
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starting to allow that tohappen.
They're starting to give umsomething similar to what the
tour players are playing now,just because, you know, I think
that's really cool to be able tosay, I'm playing that ball.
And so because of that, it comeswith a price tag.
Without question.
Yeah.
And because of that, right,someone like Tyler that might be
launching it a little bit toohigh, um, you know, because then
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that also affects descent angleas well.
Still hitting at 300 plus, butit's like, man, you could hit it
330, 340 if the ball penetratedmore for you.
And I'm only saying that becauseI I know a little bit about his
game, but um, ultimately thedriver is the other factor, you
know, and and you're trying tosee what type of shape driver
you need.
(30:58):
Is it something with a lowercenter of gravity that launches
it higher?
Is it something that's a littlemore traditional, pear-shaped
head?
Is it a lower CC um driver head?
So a smaller head, right?
All these factors play into howthe ball's gonna launch.
What is it?
SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
Combination of the ball and the club fitting.
SPEAKER_03 (31:14):
Yeah.
Without question, and itsdelivery method.
So a lot of things, too, thatchange is when we go into club
too, not only club head, but welook at shaft.
So this is the hard one whenyou're on the podcast, is I'm
not seeing it, I'm listening toit.
Number one is get in there andget fit by your local PGA
professional.
Always ask why.
That is my number one goldenrule is they should not be
(31:38):
fitting or teaching you if theycan't answer why they're giving
you something.
Why?
Why?
unknown (31:43):
Why?
SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
Why?
Why?
Exactly, exactly.
No, because you should know, andthen it it takes all of the head
trash out, right?
One of my friends um in theindustry, Andy Hilts, who
actually helped open a lot ofgolf techs.
I've spent some time with him.
He's a wonderful salesperson,but he's also a really good
teacher and fitter.
(32:04):
And because of all those things,I've learned a lot from him.
Um, just the art of the golfindustry in general.
He's a consultant as well.
But it's funny, he always usedthat word head trash or that
that term head trash.
And I was like, what is that?
He's like, Well, look, whenyou're getting in with somebody,
they always have all of thesethings in that first lesson.
You got to get all their headtrash out.
(32:25):
So that way they'll actuallylearn from you.
I'm like, that is so smart.
And so, you know, I think that'sone of the reasons um, you know,
I feel like I I can relate topeople in teaching is just the
fact that I'm listening a lotmore probably than I'm speaking
and trying to help them with thestuff they already have issues
with.
SPEAKER_04 (32:41):
Tyler, when you're in here next, hit up Noah for a
one-on-one lesson in the ballfitting.
Let's go, buddy.
Let's get that.
And um, if you have a questionfor Noah, you want some tips and
tricks, um, any podcast sourceyou're on, find our message
board, click on it, send us amessage.
Please make sure you includeyour phone number or your email
(33:06):
so we can contact you.
Otherwise, we don't see youremail address if you just send
us a message.
So make sure you include yourphone number or your email in
the message, and we'll get intouch with you and um have you
ask Noah a question.
Last topic before we call itquits today.
You and I were talking about myson, and you're like, okay, he's
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hitting the ball well.
We're going on to a new level.
Let's start talking about highschool, how that's gonna work
into college, and how that'sgonna work into um possibly a
career in golf.
So let's preface this.
For me, that's this is where mybrain explodes.
SPEAKER_03 (33:42):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
So we're gonna preface this asthis is gonna be our full topic
for next week, and we're gonnatry to see if our main man Don
Law can be on with us next week,who uh recently retired, owned
the Don Law Golf Academy inFlorida, uh, national youth
player development award winner.
The guy's incredible what he andhis wife did down there, and
(34:03):
they actually had a globalacademy where the which is what
we're doing here now, um, wherethey had kids coming in from
South America, they had US KidsWorld's champions coming out of
there.
Wow.
I'm just so excited to talk withhim more about this type of a
subject as well.
But you know what?
Your son is so passionate abouteverything he does, he's such a
(34:23):
good kid.
He comes in and picks balls, andthere's all these things.
So it's like his worth echo hiswork ethic is there, right?
His love of the game is there,right?
He listens so well, so he's gotgood support system from his
parents, which is great.
Um, and I think there's like somany positives there that it's
(34:45):
more about maturity and seeingwhat's gonna happen, right?
So a lot of times parents wantto know what needs to happen
now, as opposed to hey, here's agame plan that's gonna work for
him now, but that's gonna be anever-changing game plan as he
moves forward and as his goalschange.
So right now, Toby wants to playon tour.
(35:05):
Right now, Toby wants to play incollege.
Yeah, right now Toby wants toplay golf with everybody
anytime, anywhere, right?
SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
Let's be real.
I mean, as a parent, I know thatyou know, playing on the PGA
tours like your son who playsjunior high football who wants
to play in the NFL.
I get that.
We get that.
However, I know the PGA is verydifferent.
There's such a broad spectrum ofcareer paths through the PGA
without even playing on tourthat you can make a good career
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and a decent middle class incomebeing a member of the PGA.
And Toby loves golf so much andhe's a homeschooled student.
All of his eggs are in that onebasket.
And it's like, what do we needto do to make that happen?
Now, I'm not talking necessarilyabout making the PGA tour.
(35:53):
Of course that would be nice.
Of course, that's his goal, likeeverybody else.
But if that doesn't happen,where does his career path sit
in the golf industry?
SPEAKER_03 (36:02):
Here's what I'm gonna tell you right now,
because I don't want to I don'twant to like ruin next week.
So the first thing is that kidcan talk to anybody and will ask
anyone to play with him.
So he already has therelationship side of people
down, which most people neverlearn.
So the fact that he can talk toanybody and has no fear of going
up to somebody is go in the golfindustry and then you find
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somebody that has a privateplane and says, Hey, I want you
to come and work for me, and nowall of a sudden you're like set,
right?
That's like the weird well, wesee that all the time at private
clubs where head pros go intosales jobs or these other jobs
because they understand how totake care of people, and that's
a tough thing.
I mean, service is free.
We talk about that at golfgarage all the time.
Indeed.
Yet it's a choice if you'regoing to serve others or not.
(36:47):
And so for your son tounderstand that already is huge.
What I'm excited about for Tobyis that he's physically
maturing, he's starting to hitdriver well.
Uh, his shot shape is so goodthat last on Wednesday, I was
like, just keep doing whatyou're doing, but let's look at
the process differently.
We looked at some coursestrategy and then we worked on
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putting.
And and all of a sudden hestarted putting the lights out
of it because I put him intopressure with one of the SOU
girls on the team.
And then I shared with him whatwas actually happening with his
swing and how he was gettingarmsy and understood how to use
the torso and the puttingstroke, and all of a sudden he
was like, Oh, look how muchbetter it's rolling, right?
Well, when you hear somethinglike that, there's not much more
(37:29):
you have to coach because youwant him to go run with that
confidence and go and go and go.
You know it's gonna be betteralready.
SPEAKER_04 (37:35):
All right, we're gonna go in depth on this next
week.
If you love golf, even if you'renot very good, but you have
kids, get them involved in golf.
Why?
Because it teaches integrity,teaches honesty, teaches
discipline.
What else?
SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
Oh man, sportsmanship, everything.
I just think it's justeveryone's on the same playing
field.
You don't have to play greatgolf uh to play with other
people that are great golfers.
It doesn't matter.
Everyone wants to be togetherand build relationships.
That's what we're doing at GolfGarage, baby.
I love it.
Thank you, Noah.
Thank you, Darren.
Good to be with you, buddy.
We'll see you again next week.
SPEAKER_04 (38:09):
Take care.
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Oh my goodness, welcome back tomy golf source.
I'm Darren.
I'm Noah.
So excited to be back.
It's been a few weeks off, man.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
I know.
We've taken some time for sure,but the weather's changing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:28):
Tournaments going on.
What have you been up to for thelast month?
SPEAKER_03 (00:32):
Man, just everything.
We are crushing it here.
Golf Drudge is starting to getin full swing.
Rain's coming this weekend.
Traveling with SOU golf.
I don't know.
It just keeps going.
Golf league started back upagain.
It's busy.
Playoffs tonight.
Our team at it again.
And you're number two.
We're not no, you're no, we'relike number four.
SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
Yeah, we're like the last place team.
We're number, my team, numberone.
Uh-huh.
So we're playing each other.
So far.
SPEAKER_03 (00:59):
Let's go.
Bring it on.
It's kind of like, yeah, I know,right?
It's like FedEx Cup style.
It doesn't matter as long as youget in, right?
And we're playing Tory Pines.
Well, and that's kind of in yourneck of the woods down there.
Have you been practicing?
No.
My last round was 300 par lastweek, though.
That's kind of, I think, whatgot us going.
I finally played a good round.
SPEAKER_04 (01:20):
So I've been on a goal to break 80.
SPEAKER_03 (01:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
I shot an 80.
So good.
I'm this close.
I'm there.
I can taste it.
I can feel it.
I will do it this fall.
SPEAKER_03 (01:34):
I know you will.
I know you will.
It's so fun to see too.
And Toby, uh, your son Tobyloves to tell me about your
rounds.
And he said, like, how muchbetter you're getting.
SPEAKER_04 (01:44):
So I we we played at Bar Run a couple of weeks ago up
in Rosebird.
And I was hitting seven ironthrough pitching wedge, and I
was hitting darts.
So why do you think that is?
Um just practice grinding out,you know, keeping my getting
(02:05):
that muscle memory built up ofkeeping your weight forward on
your left foot, um, keeping yourhands, keeping your hands ahead
of the golf ball.
So just being out there more.
Being out there on the coursemore and being in the simulator
and grinding out and figuringout my irons.
I mean, my distances are spoton.
And dude, I mean, realistically,like everybody else out there
(02:28):
who doesn't play golf for aliving, um you can hit an eight
eight iron and go, okay, wow, Ican hit this club 170 with with
a 85-90% swing, but you only dothat about 30% of the time
because you don't hit the centerof the club face, right?
Right, right.
So I'm hitting the center of theclub face more often now.
SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
Good for you.
SPEAKER_04 (02:50):
And so my distance is instead of hitting it 140 to
170, I'm now more consistentlyhitting it 160 to 170.
And so that's kind of gettingthat.
That's a huge difference.
That's awesome.
A huge difference.
And that is a big part of itbecause a lot of the time, you
know, struggling, hitting greensin regulation is a big part of
breaking 80, right?
(03:11):
You gotta hit more greens inregulation.
And I'd hit, you know, I'd shootit with my rangefinder and be
like, okay, I'm 165 out.
That's an eight-iron, and I'dhit my eight iron 140.
And I'd be short, and thenhaving to chip.
And you know, the samefrustrations as everybody and
their mother who's listening tothis podcast experiences, right?
SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
Oh, yeah, without question.
There's so many experiences outthere.
It'd be uh, you know, it justseems to me like it's every
lesson that's a new lesson, isthe goal is I want to be more
consistent.
We've talked about that, I thinkone of the first podcasts about
consistency, and it's like,define that for me.
What does that mean to you?
(03:54):
What that means to you isn'twhat it means to the next
person, right?
Everyone's consistency isdifferent, right?
Embarrassment, right?
I just don't want to beembarrassed in the numbers.
It takes too long.
I just I just need to get done,right?
And the funny thing is, is ifyou have a good round golfing,
you don't care how long itactually takes.
It's when you're not playinggood that you're like, I could
be doing this, or I could bespending time with my family, or
(04:15):
I could be doing the otherthings.
Closing a business deal rightnow all day.
SPEAKER_04 (04:19):
Yeah, exactly.
I wasted this time, and and no,it's it's different.
I'll tell you what, my idea ofconsistency is knowing how far I
hit my clubs and doing thatconsistently.
Uh my idea of consistency isbringing it into somewhat of a
reasonable window left to right.
You know, shot shape, usuallyshot shape.
(04:41):
I mean, listen, and I'll tellyou another big secret.
I put my driver away.
Oh, thank you.
I didn't hit it on the course atall.
And you hit it far enough thatyou don't need it.
And I hit my three wood 235 to250.
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Yeah.
And the average length golfcourse that you're playing is
probably somewhere between 6100and 6400.
Absolutely.
So your average par four isgonna be under 400 yards.
You're in a 250, you're gonnahave 150 in, which means you
have a nine iron in your hand.
Absolutely.
Or less.
SPEAKER_04 (05:15):
I'm gonna say or an eight, or even if I'm hitting a
seven iron, I'm hitting my ironsreally well.
And you know what?
I used to only hit my four ironto punch out from under trees
and you know, get myself out oftrouble.
Now I hit my four iron on thefairway.
Love it.
And I hit my four hybrid a wholeheck of a lot less.
Those hybrids are amazing howthey help off light.
(05:38):
They are, but I find myself withmy current swing and swinging
with a lot more confidence.
I find myself better off with afour-iron than a hybrid right
now.
SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
So, how hard was it for you to put driver away?
Because obviously you've beenplaying golf for years, and this
is probably one of the firsttimes you've ever done it.
SPEAKER_04 (05:56):
That it was a tough pill to swallow.
And and on some of the parfives, I'm not gonna lie, I'm
like, I got my driver out of mybag, I walked up to the T-box,
and I'm like, who am I kidding?
So I walk back and I switch itout for my three-wood, and I'm
like on a par five.
If there's any hole to not hit adriver and be able to reach the
green in regulation, it's on apar five.
(06:18):
Right?
Especially when you can pump athree-wood out 235, 240.
SPEAKER_03 (06:25):
Yeah, and I mean, I think what you have to realize
is you're putting yourself intoa place that your third shot you
can hit close.
So using golf garage as much asyou do, you gotta find out what
your favorite club is and hit itto that yardage more often and
play the hole backwards.
Play the hole backwards, explainthat.
Yeah, so play the holebackwards.
So what you're looking at iswhere's the whole location
(06:45):
around the green?
What kind of trouble is therearound that green complex?
And I always play red light,yellow light, green light.
So I'm, you know, when I'mplaying it backwards, I'm like,
hey, a red light pin is going tobe something where there is a
penalty area close by.
The pin is most likely tuckedclose to the edge of the green.
There's bunkers that are deeparound that pin.
And so you play away from thehole.
(07:07):
A yellow light might be that oneof those factors is in the
equation.
Maybe it's long, you can't go,or you can't go right.
And so, yet again, you'replaying a little more
conservative away from the hole,but you can be a little more
aggressive than a red light pin.
And a green light pin is justfire away.
It's a center pin, not a lot ofslope to the green and whatnot.
So, what's unique about that iswhen you play the hole
backwards, if it's a right holelocation and it's a dog leg to
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the right, you need to be as farleft on your T shot as you can
to access the pin on the right.
So you're playing the holebackwards, knowing where that
location may be.
Or if it's a front hole locationon a short hole and it leaves
you 40 yards out with driver,and that's an awkward yardage
for you because the holes upfront, you're probably going to
be better off hitting three woodor three iron on the T and
(07:52):
leaving yourself a full shotinto that front hole location.
So you can control spin.
You can go after the pin thengive yourself 100 yards out.
So just knowing andunderstanding hole locations,
playing the hole backwards, um,you know, and then that red, uh,
red light, yellow light, greenlight concept, super helpful in
course strategy.
And then once you have a plan,more than likely you're not
(08:13):
going to think about out ofbounds anymore because you're
like, my plan is to do this, andthat's why you play better.
SPEAKER_04 (08:18):
Of course.
That makes a lot of sense.
And another thing that I knowwe're all guilty of is par five.
So we want to get there in two.
We want to hit the ball as faras we can on our first shot.
We want to hit the ball as faras we can on our second shot.
In reality, if we want to setourselves up for success, the
likelihood of a par or a birdieis far greater on a par five.
(08:39):
Well, I think and so let's playit strategically.
Let's put our ego back in thebag, aka driver.
The big dog.
And let's and and let's playthis course to get as close to
the pin as we can in three.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Well, I think it's interesting that you said that.
When we get to the par five, welike to think about going for it
in two.
And so that's not part ofanybody's process that's any
good, right?
Because you're already thinkingabout the score you want to make
before you've even teed off.
And so what we need to thinkabout is yes, I would love to
make a four, I'd love to make athree, I'd love to make a two on
a par five, right?
Because ultimately, if I can getthere in two, that means I could
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make a two.
But people don't think that wayeither.
They're just like, I should makebirdie here because it's a par
five and I hit it far enough.
Well, now you're thinking aboutthe expectation, you hit one bad
shot, and most likely you'regonna make uh, you know, par or
bogey or worse because you pressto make birdie because that's
what you told yourself youshould have done.
So instead, you need tobacktrack and say, hey, look, I
know I can make a birdie on thishole.
(09:36):
That's great.
Now, what's the process first?
I've got to hit a T shot overhere, right?
And the only focus at that pointmoving forward is my T shot
going to you know, left centerof the fairway to give myself an
opportunity to avoid some treeson the right or whatever that
may be for that hole.
And then you're thinking about,okay, what's the conservative
aggressive play to knock it onand two?
Because maybe there's a bunker Ican't go in.
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Because if I go in that bunker,I'm definitely making par
because the lip is so deep orwhatever, right?
So I think that's kind of thedirection is, and I still make
birdie even from the fairway,certainly can, right?
So you're always thinking aboutchess instead of you know
anything else.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (10:14):
With how I'm hitting my shorter irons right now, if I
can put myself inside of 130,chances of going up and down are
pretty good.
SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (10:23):
Inside of 130, and that's a birdie opportunity on a
par five.
SPEAKER_03 (10:26):
Yeah, without question.
SPEAKER_04 (10:27):
So if my second shot can put me at 125, 130 out, I've
got a good birdie opportunity.
SPEAKER_03 (10:33):
Well, the other thing for you is you're starting
to play good enough golf becauseyour ball striking is good that
it's always going to be aboutspeed or distance control.
So whether it's putting distancecontrol or it's distance control
with your iron.
So you need to really work hardon inside of 125 because it's
it's virtually proven now withstats that 70% of your score is
inside of 125, which is yourwedge game and below.
SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
And that is where my game has improved the most, thus
drop my score, you know, severalstrokes.
SPEAKER_03 (11:03):
Yeah, without question.
I mean, any good player is goingto be working on ladder drills
left and right where you workat, you know, let's just say
it's a five-yard ladder drillwhere you go 50, 50, 5, 60, 60,
570, right?
And they're gonna hit multipleballs from those spots and try
to get it to a certain distanceon the green.
SPEAKER_04 (11:18):
Tell us about the new ladder drill that's
available on the sim.
SPEAKER_03 (11:21):
Oh, it's awesome.
Yeah.
So the sim we found out todayactually has TGL on it and it
has almost 1800 golf courses onit.
It's got the Dubai DesertClassic course on it now.
So we're going all over theplace with GS Pro.
Um, but ladder drill is supercool.
And um, it was the one thing Ifelt like we were missing was
(11:43):
you would almost have to come upwith some of your own ladder
drills, but we now have theability to um basically program
the drill to what we want it tobe based on distance from the
hole to move up ladder.
Um, you can actually do a ladderto where you move back down the
ladder rung or have to startover on the ladder if you don't
accomplish a shot.
(12:04):
So when we talk about practicingthe right way, we always talk
about how do we create a courseenvironment, right?
Well, in a course environment,you get one opportunity off of
whatever shot that is on thathole to be successful.
Well, this is really puttingthat kind of pressure back on
you, right?
And and and then when somebodyis struggling in a certain
yardage, if they can get pastthat ladder rung, it just builds
(12:26):
so much confidence.
And we know that we fail a lotmore than we're successful.
And and that could meansomething as simple as I hit the
65 yard shot, 65 yards, but itstill felt bad.
So to a really exceptionalgolfer, that's a failure because
it felt bad and they wanted tofeel like a perfect golf shot.
But to an average player, theymay not know what it feels like
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to hit it off of the heel or thetoe, and all they care about is
where the ball ended up.
SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
The truth is the PGA tour players hit golf shots all
the time that give them theultimate result of what they
want, but the golf shot didn'tfeel good.
Didn't have the shot shape thatthey wanted, it didn't have the
spin or the distance that theywanted, but ultimately when the
ball hit the ground and rolledout because it didn't have the
spin they wanted, they ended upgetting the distance and the
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placement that they wanted.
SPEAKER_03 (13:15):
That's a great point.
Um, quick story.
I'm at the Waste ManagementPhoenix Open practice round at
TPC Scottsdale, and I've got mywife and my brand new baby girl
when Emma was.
Oh, is this the diaper incidentthat you told me about?
Yeah.
So same time as a diaperincident, but there was a few
golfers I wanted to see.
I wanna see Tiger, of course,but uh always really enjoyed
(13:38):
Ricky Fowler and I alwaysthought he was great because I
got to follow him inside therope.
Oh, dude, he can stand that it'slike stash, no stash, orange
pants, whatever, right?
So we get up to I think it's thenumber one handicap hole on the
back nine, and there's waterdown the whole left side, and
it's a pretty long hole, sothey're hitting more of a seven,
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six, five iron end, depending onthe player.
And I remember watching Rickyhit this shot to 15 feet right
over the flag in the practiceround.
And I'm like, wow, that was agutsy play where that pin was
kind of close to the water, andyou know, you watch body
language a lot um as you want tofigure out what the tour players
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are doing, just because they'relike anyone else, they're human,
and the cameras always, youknow, go away from them, and
sometimes you see a little bitmore in practice around what
they like or they don't like,and it was pretty cool.
Sure enough, he hits this golfshot and he doesn't even watch
it land, and he's alreadytalking to his caddy, and he's
like, Give me another ball.
And his caddy gets behind himand videotapes him, and he hits
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another golf shot, and he hitsit about 20 feet right of that
one.
So it's almost the equivalent of30 to 40 feet away from that
hole.
And he looks at his caddy, and Iremember hearing him say, That's
what I wanted to do, right?
So ultimately, from a crowdperspective, we see him flag
hunt this flag, and it was anamazing golf shot from where he
was, but the swing wasn't whathe was trying to accomplish, and
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therefore he's like, Give me aball right away, and then he
hits the shot, looks at thevideo and says, That's what I
wanted.
So he didn't even care that hewas 40 more feet away.
And I think where the averagegolfer gets into trouble is they
care so much about going afterthe flag or being close, right?
That their score goes up becausethey don't know how to manage
that.
SPEAKER_04 (15:23):
Right.
So my son Toby, I came in laston Saturday morning after he was
done with his high schoolpractice, and I watched him
playing this ladder drill on thesimulator, and I was blown away.
I'm like, where did this comefrom?
And then he said, Well, Ryansaid it was brand new, and he
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got me set up on it, and this ispart of my practice today.
And he did really, really wellat it.
And I told him, Okay, you haveto do that every day.
I bring you in here now.
Um, so we have a members tipline that people can call into
and ask golf questions to us.
Uh, my son called into this uhtip line to ask his question.
SPEAKER_00 (16:07):
Hey guys, this is Toby.
I have a question about grip.
What is the proper grip pressureand is right or left hand grip
more important?
SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
Yeah, great question, Toby.
Um, and you know, in workingwith you, I think, you know,
it's interesting because you'restarting to mature and you're
starting to hit the ball a lotfarther.
So let's kind of go into that.
Grip pressure is unique becauseat address, if you're gripping
it too tight, they call it thedeath grip or whatever, if you
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will, it's gonna create tensionup your arms, um, up into your
shoulders, and it's going tomake it tougher to actually make
a motion or a turn, right?
So create lag.
Yeah, any of that, right?
So I think at the end of theday, what you'll want to look at
more than anything is eachplayer is slightly different.
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The type of grip they have onthe club is going to be slightly
different.
Some players have a littlestronger grip than others.
You're very rarely going to finda weak grip.
But what happens is the harderyou swing, okay.
Think of it as tugawar, theharder you swing, the harder
you're gonna have to hold on tothe handle or it's gonna fly
out.
So they don't really teach youthat.
(17:18):
I've heard things like hold onto it like it's a baby's hand or
it's a baby bird or all thisstuff.
I'm like, you still have to holdon to the club.
And if you're swinging over ahundred miles an hour, your grip
is going to naturally gettighter, otherwise, the club's
gonna fly out of your hands.
So I think what you have to getinto is the idea of tension
defeats motion.
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So you want to hold it tightenough that you're not gonna let
it fly out.
But understand that as you startcreating speed, right?
Now all of a sudden, that grippressure will naturally tighten,
and there's nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (17:58):
So you want to hold on to it just enough to not
throw the club.
And it's funny I think with yourleft hand.
Yeah, you're a right-handedgolfer.
SPEAKER_03 (18:07):
There you go.
And I think also this is thefunny thing, too, right?
You have a cross-handed golfer.
There's grips.
We have a junior golfer that'sdoing that right now.
There was a 75-year-old that Iused to play with that
cross-handed grip, and he wouldliterally shoot 74 to 77 every
time at Centennial when heplayed.
Um, Gene Nemani was awesome.
But, you know, what we'relooking for more than anything
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is finding a feel that works foryou.
And that's something that can'tnecessarily be taught.
What we do as coaches is say,you know, look, feel isn't real
half the time.
But when we're talking aboutgrip, you have to continue to
dig it out of the dirt to say,man, that felt good.
And then it's your job as aplayer to find the awareness of
what that grip pressure was thatworked for you because potting
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is going to feel different thanchipping.
I remember reading a book thatTiger wrote that on faster
greens you have lighter grippressure.
Well, I tried it, it workedgreat for me.
But other players may disagree.
Well, it never feels like I'mgripping it lighter.
I'm always gripping, I'mactually gripping it tighter.
And so that's the relative partof this: left hand versus right
hand.
Left hand's the driver, leftside's the driver, right?
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That's the engine, that's themotor.
The right hand is the stability.
Um, it's the stabilizer of theclub face.
And so for a right-handedgolfer, so that's what we have
to right remember.
SPEAKER_04 (19:21):
And for a left hand, the left hand is your hold on to
the club and not throw it.
Your right hand is your steeringwheel.
SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
Yeah, you could say it that way for sure.
And then I mean, there's evendrills where I'll take the right
hand off at impact just to getsomeone to continue their
rotation.
And so there's things like thatthat you can do.
And I mean, ultimately, what Ithink is really fun if you want
to find your grip pressure, ishit a ball with just your right
hand, hit a ball with just yourleft hand, and use your wedges,
and that's gonna give you apretty good idea.
SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
I love that.
Good job.
Let's go to our next question.
What's up, Nate?
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Hey guys, I seem to have pretty consistent gapping
from the bottom of my bagthrough about seven iron.
And at seven, seven, six, five,and four all tend to carry about
the same uh distance, justcarrying different ball flights.
And I'm wondering what's uh anarea of the swing that I could
work on to tidy, tidy that up alittle bit and maybe extend the
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length on the top end of thebag.
SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
Yeah, hey, thanks for the question, Nate.
I think there's a lot going onhere.
Um, and we see this all the timeas we fit people for clubs.
So I'm gonna steer a little bitaway from the swing side of
things um and engage more in thetop end of what the set makeup
is.
And I know Nate has the same setall the way through, I believe,
is what we had talked to himabout before.
(20:36):
So um what we're looking formore than anything is launch
conditions in this situation.
And it sounds like they're goingthe same distance, and then
maybe the flight is coming down,diving out of the sky as he gets
less and less loft.
So seven, six, five, four, andso on.
The other thing that happens isthe club length changes.
And as you get into a four-iron,it's quite a bit longer than
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your seven iron.
And so what's nice is at leasthe knows that that's where he
starts to struggle.
And so what we look at from afitting perspective is that, you
know, based on the type of clubyou're playing, there's
typically an alternative thatwill allow you to launch it
higher.
And if the ball stays in the airlonger because you've launched
it higher and it's still movingforward, then most likely your
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carry numbers will be better.
And then in this situation,that's kind of what we're
looking at is the fact thatwe'll use Taylor made as an
example.
They have all sorts of differentcategories and they have like a
muscle back and then they getinto a cavity back, and then
they get into a 770 and then a790 iron, and then they get into
more um of your game improvementiron, right?
So what would happen is let'sjust use the 770 for the
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example.
That's kind of the middle of thepack there.
A lot of people play that iron.
And so let's say your wedge areum 770 all the way to that eight
iron, because you can hit thatwell.
Then you would want to look atthe launch conditions and see if
they change if we put you into a790, and then we could lower the
center of gravity a little bitand get that ball to launch.
What happens a lot of times isit'll launch a little bit
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better, but maybe it's notperfect yet.
But the 790 is a little strongerlofted club.
So now we can also adjust loftto help with backspin conditions
and launch conditions together.
And now all of a sudden you'regetting um not just a dart
that's flying too far, becausethe 790 is hotter off the face
based on loft and how it'sdesigned, but you're also able
to control that a little bit byadding loft.
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And so now um instead of thereverse problem of, hey, my 770
eight iron goes, you know, thisfar and then my seven iron goes
way too far, you're able tocontrol that by modifying those
things.
So I would just say that forsomeone in this situation, the
number one thing is justchecking out equipment because
you're obviously able to hitthat eight, seven or uh eight
and nine and pitching wedge andso on.
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Okay.
And it just goes back to, youknow, a really good player that
I used to work with that wouldonly bring a wedge and a driver
to the range, right?
And that's all he practicedwith.
And if you can hit a wedge welland you, you know, you're you're
swinging a driver after that.
Everything else in between isjust it's easy.
SPEAKER_04 (23:04):
I'll tell you where my trouble is right now is um 90
to 90 to 115 yards is the deathof me.
If I'm short of 90 or I'm at 120or more, I'm good.
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Why?
Because my gap wedge is garbage.
And my gap wedge came in part ofmy iron set.
I bought an off-the-rack ironset a long time ago, and we need
to address that issue here in acouple of weeks.
Um but I am determined that mynext set is gonna be a pitching
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wedge through four iron.
I don't want the gap wedge aspart of the set.
I want a gap wedge as somethingthat is custom tailored for me
separate from the iron set.
And I like I said, my my gapwedge, I cannot hit that club
for the life of me right now.
But I can hit my 69, I can hitmy 60, I can hit my 56, and I
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can hit my pitching wedge.
SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
My gap wedge can't hit it.
Listen, I saw you in Sin Leaguehit that 69, and you hit it like
to gimme range, and everybodyfreaked out.
So if you can hit that club,then we know that all you need
is a traditional wedge at thatpoint.
SPEAKER_04 (24:24):
I'm good with the 69 inside of 35 yards.
I'm good with the 60 inside of70 yards, I'm good with a 56
inside of 90 yards.
I don't like to do that 90 yard,you know, I don't like to swing
the 56 to hit a hundred andhundred and five yard shot.
I don't like the club for that.
(24:45):
Maybe if I was custom fit forit, it would be a different
story.
But that gap between the 90-yardshot, 95 yard shot, and the
pitch, the soft pitching wedgeshot at 1520, that's my nemesis.
SPEAKER_03 (25:02):
Well, here's the deal.
So, viewers, here's what we'regonna do is we're gonna do that
fitting for you, and we're gonnarecord some of this, and then
we'll post it on our Facebookpage for you.
Love it.
All right.
Hey, let's go to our lastquestion for the day.
SPEAKER_04 (25:13):
What's up, Tyler?
SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
Hey guys, I have a question.
So I spin the ball a ton, waymore than the average person.
Um, proud and sad to admit that.
So my question is how how muchdoes um golf ball selection and
then the certain type of uh likedriver face affect that?
SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Oh man, what an awesome question.
And we just did ball fitting,you know, a few uh few months
ago.
Yeah, a couple months ago.
I guess it was, wasn't it?
It felt like it was weeks ago.
You know, I I think this is sucha cool thing, and um that was uh
Tyler Lake, right?
Yeah, yeah, perfect.
Okay, so um Tyler, number one,is a really good player, and he
has a ton of golf uh club atspeed.
SPEAKER_04 (25:55):
And so um naturally his spin is off the charts then.
SPEAKER_03 (25:59):
Yeah, he he definitely can spin the driver a
lot.
Um and what's unique about thisis spin is not a bad thing
necessarily.
Um, and especially if you hit itas far as he does, sometimes
spin is good.
Um, however, you are losing alot of distance, and so there's
a couple factors you're gonnalook at there.
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Number one, a premium golf ball,and we'll just use this example
of a uh Taylor-made TP5 versusTP5X or Pro V1, Pro V1X.
Um on those sides of things, oneof the balls will spin a little
bit less than the other, andusually you're looking at 300
RPM difference in that golfball.
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So when you're dealing withsomeone that uh is spinning a
driver at over 3,000 spin,that's too much, right?
We're looking at that as a threewould so your your typical is
gonna be somewhere in that twoto three thousand range for your
average player, and you'relooking at a launch of 10 to 12
degrees with a driver.
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So the number one thing whenwe're looking at a ball fit with
a driver is are you launching itwell, right?
And then are you spinning itwell?
So if you are and the ball'sstill not coming out of the sky
well, you're gonna look atdescent angle.
So is it descending for somereason out of the sky too steep?
And so there's a lot of factorsthat go into this.
Um, but going into the club faceside of the question, if that
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club face is open, right, all ofa sudden you can still hit what
looks like a fairly straightshot depending on, and we're not
gonna get into too much detail,but what your what your path and
your and your face to target areand everything, right?
But if your face is slightlyopen at impact, it's going to
obviously create some left toright spin.
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It's also going to createadditional backspin because
you've added loft at impact,right?
So a lot of times what we seewith a golfer is the two-way
miss to where, oh man, I'mnaturally cutting, I'm naturally
cutting it.
I don't like it.
My ball's hitting and stoppingbecause that face is open too
much, creating more backspin.
And then they do something inthe round and they pull one and
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they hit it so far and they goout of bounds.
So far left.
Yeah.
So far, yeah, they just hit ithard and left of their target
line, and now they squared theface up because they've
compensated.
And that's the one that probablywould have rolled out forever
because the face was moreneutral relative to their setup.
And all of a sudden thatbackspin went down and
everything changed because theyhit it on the center of the
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face.
Because what's happening is hitlocation rules, right?
Ball speeds are going to be upfrom the center of the face.
Also, if the face is open atall, the heel is actually
leading into the ball.
So you're mishitting it off theheel anyway.
So there's a lot of factorsthere.
But if we're looking at generaljust a ball, the ball is
everything in golf at this pointin time because the USGA has set
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um these rules that don't allowdriver faces to be any hotter
than they are.
And they also have put rules inthat the ball can't be any
faster off the face in themiddle of the hit than it
already is as well.
And so I think more thananything with um someone like
Tyler, there just needs to besome a couple of factors.
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One, can the ball do what hewants it to do, right?
When he looks up, is that ballflying through the window that
he wants to see?
Rory McElroy, um, a few yearsback, uh, most people don't know
this, but he was playing anolder ball than what was out.
He was still on staff withTaylor Maid, but oddly enough, I
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think this is public knowledgenow, but oddly enough, the newer
ball actually launched too highfor what he wanted to see.
And at a golfer at that level,if they look up and can't see
the ball on their sight line,they're lost, right?
There's a loss of confidence.
We all know that feeling.
Oh, yeah.
Where's the ball?
Oh, it's over there.
Oh, and it's funny whensomebody's like, Where's the
ball?
It's down the middle.
Oh it's over there.
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It's your teammate sittingbehind you.
He notices it.
You don't see it.
Yeah, yeah.
So, so in in this Situationwhere he's playing a different
ball, you know, at some point intime, Taylor Me's like, we got
to find something that's goingto work for Rory.
And the consumer's gettingsmarter too, to where they're
like, I really want to play thekind of ball that they're
playing.
And so I think what's cool aboutthe manufacturers is they're
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starting to allow that tohappen.
They're starting to give umsomething similar to what the
tour players are playing now,just because, you know, I think
that's really cool to be able tosay, I'm playing that ball.
And so because of that, it comeswith a price tag.
Without question.
Yeah.
And because of that, right,someone like Tyler that might be
launching it a little bit toohigh, um, you know, because then
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that also affects descent angleas well.
Still hitting at 300 plus, butit's like, man, you could hit it
330, 340 if the ball penetratedmore for you.
And I'm only saying that becauseI I know a little bit about his
game, but um, ultimately thedriver is the other factor, you
know, and and you're trying tosee what type of shape driver
you need.
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Is it something with a lowercenter of gravity that launches
it higher?
Is it something that's a littlemore traditional, pear-shaped
head?
Is it a lower CC um driver head?
So a smaller head, right?
All these factors play into howthe ball's gonna launch.
What is it?
SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
Combination of the ball and the club fitting.
SPEAKER_03 (31:14):
Yeah.
Without question, and itsdelivery method.
So a lot of things, too, thatchange is when we go into club
too, not only club head, but welook at shaft.
So this is the hard one whenyou're on the podcast, is I'm
not seeing it, I'm listening toit.
Number one is get in there andget fit by your local PGA
professional.
Always ask why.
That is my number one goldenrule is they should not be
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fitting or teaching you if theycan't answer why they're giving
you something.
Why?
Why?
unknown (31:43):
Why?
SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
Why?
Why?
Exactly, exactly.
No, because you should know, andthen it it takes all of the head
trash out, right?
One of my friends um in theindustry, Andy Hilts, who
actually helped open a lot ofgolf techs.
I've spent some time with him.
He's a wonderful salesperson,but he's also a really good
teacher and fitter.
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And because of all those things,I've learned a lot from him.
Um, just the art of the golfindustry in general.
He's a consultant as well.
But it's funny, he always usedthat word head trash or that
that term head trash.
And I was like, what is that?
He's like, Well, look, whenyou're getting in with somebody,
they always have all of thesethings in that first lesson.
You got to get all their headtrash out.
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So that way they'll actuallylearn from you.
I'm like, that is so smart.
And so, you know, I think that'sone of the reasons um, you know,
I feel like I I can relate topeople in teaching is just the
fact that I'm listening a lotmore probably than I'm speaking
and trying to help them with thestuff they already have issues
with.
SPEAKER_04 (32:41):
Tyler, when you're in here next, hit up Noah for a
one-on-one lesson in the ballfitting.
Let's go, buddy.
Let's get that.
And um, if you have a questionfor Noah, you want some tips and
tricks, um, any podcast sourceyou're on, find our message
board, click on it, send us amessage.
Please make sure you includeyour phone number or your email
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so we can contact you.
Otherwise, we don't see youremail address if you just send
us a message.
So make sure you include yourphone number or your email in
the message, and we'll get intouch with you and um have you
ask Noah a question.
Last topic before we call itquits today.
You and I were talking about myson, and you're like, okay, he's
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hitting the ball well.
We're going on to a new level.
Let's start talking about highschool, how that's gonna work
into college, and how that'sgonna work into um possibly a
career in golf.
So let's preface this.
For me, that's this is where mybrain explodes.
SPEAKER_03 (33:42):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
So we're gonna preface this asthis is gonna be our full topic
for next week, and we're gonnatry to see if our main man Don
Law can be on with us next week,who uh recently retired, owned
the Don Law Golf Academy inFlorida, uh, national youth
player development award winner.
The guy's incredible what he andhis wife did down there, and
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they actually had a globalacademy where the which is what
we're doing here now, um, wherethey had kids coming in from
South America, they had US KidsWorld's champions coming out of
there.
Wow.
I'm just so excited to talk withhim more about this type of a
subject as well.
But you know what?
Your son is so passionate abouteverything he does, he's such a
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good kid.
He comes in and picks balls, andthere's all these things.
So it's like his worth echo hiswork ethic is there, right?
His love of the game is there,right?
He listens so well, so he's gotgood support system from his
parents, which is great.
Um, and I think there's like somany positives there that it's
(34:45):
more about maturity and seeingwhat's gonna happen, right?
So a lot of times parents wantto know what needs to happen
now, as opposed to hey, here's agame plan that's gonna work for
him now, but that's gonna be anever-changing game plan as he
moves forward and as his goalschange.
So right now, Toby wants to playon tour.
(35:05):
Right now, Toby wants to play incollege.
Yeah, right now Toby wants toplay golf with everybody
anytime, anywhere, right?
SPEAKER_04 (35:11):
Let's be real.
I mean, as a parent, I know thatyou know, playing on the PGA
tours like your son who playsjunior high football who wants
to play in the NFL.
I get that.
We get that.
However, I know the PGA is verydifferent.
There's such a broad spectrum ofcareer paths through the PGA
without even playing on tourthat you can make a good career
(35:32):
and a decent middle class incomebeing a member of the PGA.
And Toby loves golf so much andhe's a homeschooled student.
All of his eggs are in that onebasket.
And it's like, what do we needto do to make that happen?
Now, I'm not talking necessarilyabout making the PGA tour.
(35:53):
Of course that would be nice.
Of course, that's his goal, likeeverybody else.
But if that doesn't happen,where does his career path sit
in the golf industry?
SPEAKER_03 (36:02):
Here's what I'm gonna tell you right now,
because I don't want to I don'twant to like ruin next week.
So the first thing is that kidcan talk to anybody and will ask
anyone to play with him.
So he already has therelationship side of people
down, which most people neverlearn.
So the fact that he can talk toanybody and has no fear of going
up to somebody is go in the golfindustry and then you find
(36:24):
somebody that has a privateplane and says, Hey, I want you
to come and work for me, and nowall of a sudden you're like set,
right?
That's like the weird well, wesee that all the time at private
clubs where head pros go intosales jobs or these other jobs
because they understand how totake care of people, and that's
a tough thing.
I mean, service is free.
We talk about that at golfgarage all the time.
Indeed.
Yet it's a choice if you'regoing to serve others or not.
(36:47):
And so for your son tounderstand that already is huge.
What I'm excited about for Tobyis that he's physically
maturing, he's starting to hitdriver well.
Uh, his shot shape is so goodthat last on Wednesday, I was
like, just keep doing whatyou're doing, but let's look at
the process differently.
We looked at some coursestrategy and then we worked on
(37:07):
putting.
And and all of a sudden hestarted putting the lights out
of it because I put him intopressure with one of the SOU
girls on the team.
And then I shared with him whatwas actually happening with his
swing and how he was gettingarmsy and understood how to use
the torso and the puttingstroke, and all of a sudden he
was like, Oh, look how muchbetter it's rolling, right?
Well, when you hear somethinglike that, there's not much more
(37:29):
you have to coach because youwant him to go run with that
confidence and go and go and go.
You know it's gonna be betteralready.
SPEAKER_04 (37:35):
All right, we're gonna go in depth on this next
week.
If you love golf, even if you'renot very good, but you have
kids, get them involved in golf.
Why?
Because it teaches integrity,teaches honesty, teaches
discipline.
What else?
SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
Oh man, sportsmanship, everything.
I just think it's justeveryone's on the same playing
field.
You don't have to play greatgolf uh to play with other
people that are great golfers.
It doesn't matter.
Everyone wants to be togetherand build relationships.
That's what we're doing at GolfGarage, baby.
I love it.
Thank you, Noah.
Thank you, Darren.
Good to be with you, buddy.
We'll see you again next week.
SPEAKER_04 (38:09):
Take care.
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