March 14, 2025 • 50 mins
Simulator technology is transforming golf training by providing precise feedback and year-round practice opportunities that outdoor ranges simply cannot match. The team discusses how simulator data allows players to gain confidence in their distances and improve faster with immediate analytics.
• Simulators provide accurate distance measurements for every club in your bag
• Playing famous courses like TPC Sawgrass virtually helps players experience professional-level challenges
• The data from simulators is humbling but provides crucial feedback for improvement
• Proper club fitting combined with simulator data can dramatically improve performance
• Raw carry versus game carry measurements show exactly how course conditions affect distance
• Community building happens naturally in simulator facilities as golfers connect in a casual environment
• The Golf Garage offers 24/7 access to members, creating flexibility for practice
• Practice after a round is often the most productive time to work on your game
• Many golfers waste time watching YouTube tips when they should focus on center-face contact
• Next week's episode will feature Steve First from David's Chair discussing adaptive golf for people with mobility limitations
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the my golf source podcast.
Welcome to the my golf sourcepodcast.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Darren and I'm Noah and we're back, baby, we
are back.
Sim league in the books Justgot done playing one of the new
sim league.
Yeah, march, april's on the way.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
How did you play?
We played um TPC sawgrass.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, we were there too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That killed us.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's kind of nice to be able to play TPC sawgrass and
not have to fly anywhere, isn'tit?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Isn't it In perfect conditions all the time?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It is.
You know we played good.
We were 14 under par today.
We had literally I would saythat might have been one of the
best scores we got a shot.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hole 17 is brutal.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Do you knock it on?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Not on my first try.
Perfect distance Uh, not on myfirst try.
So perfect, perfect distance.
Slightly right.
And no forgiveness with thatfront pin placement Cause it
wasn't right in the water.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know what, though ?
It plays exactly like they doon tour.
So if you play it past the pin,there's a backstop and it'll
come back.
Oh man.
That's the local knowledge.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Why you have.
That's why the pros havecaddies, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It was nice that it wasn't windy, though I think, uh
, the only difference is one ofthese days we're gonna have to
put some wind in, so it's reallylike florida golf yeah make it
a little bit more challengingfrom from pin placement on 17
was rough.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, how about the guys?
And I just played one extraclub?
Well, I probably would havebeen on I I was.
My shot was three yards pastthe pin, but about six yards
right, which put me right on theedge in the water yeah, I think
we need to hire a caddy for you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's all right, yeah, or you know what you could do.
You could just come out andpractice it tomorrow, because we
could just put that hole on.
You know practice mode and youcould figure it out for the next
time.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
There we go that's what I'll do.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Did you watch a little golf on TV while you were
playing?
No, no.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So my buddy, steve, who doesn't play a whole lot of
golf, but he runs an amazing,amazing charity that we'll talk
about next week.
He joined our league.
He he was on our team, so I wasvisiting and catching up with
him and we were having a greattime.
It just yeah, focusing more onrelationships and conversation
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and less on the golf game, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So I've got a good story for you real quick on the
last hole of sim league.
So one of our guys, chris um,hits this ball way right on hole
number 18, ricochets off thecart path in no more than like a
half a second later we look upon the tv and there's a replay
of a tour player hitting it inthe exact same place and we're
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looking.
We're like cool your shots ontv dude.
No, no, his shot was on tv.
It was a replay of his shot.
It was the craziest that iscool.
Yeah, it was super crazy that itactually happened that way.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So on my second shot from the drop, I hit it long and
hit the green and rolled offthe back and down onto the
wooden bridge.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Played as it lies right.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So I played as it lies.
I didn't go in the water, I'mlaying on the bridge.
So I'm thinking, hey, thisbridge, the ball will roll
quickly across this.
I'm going to putt Bad choice.
And so that bridge is veryuneven and it was hitting the
wood planks and bouncingstraight up and actually came
backwards and added anothercouple of yards to my putt.
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So, being a genius, I thoughtI'd putt it again and just hit
it harder and did the same thing.
And so I'm like, okay, it'stime to take a wedge off the
bridge.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So what you're saying is it plays like a real golf
course.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It plays like you were putting on a rugged pier.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes, that's crazy, that's exactly what it was.
Well, it's kind of fun.
You know, we had, you know,half the base full with Sim
League and then we had a bunchof members playing still next to
us.
Yeah, full house tonight, yeah,rolling for sure.
So it's good to see it stayingbusy, and you know it's really
cool this time of the year toowhen you have TPC Sawgrass.
You know it seems like it achance to get out there and play
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it.
That would be one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Those of us who, those of us who are just used to
playing municipal golf coursesaround around towns and local
country clubs and stuff, wedon't ever get a taste of what
it's really like and what thetour players experience and and
and here on the sim league weactually get to do that.
So it's, it's eyeopening to, tosay the least.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Think about this too from a professional perspective.
A lot of people strugglehitting off of mats.
Well, mats are the perfectplace to practice.
It's a perfect lie in the ballsitting up, and if you think of
a tour caliber golf course,that's what you're hitting off
of.
You're hitting off of a tight,tight lie with the ball sitting
up.
So most courses are mowingtheir grass potentially at
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between a half an inch and threequarters of an inch fairway
height, which the ball can sitdown, or it can sit way up, and
so, depending on the golfer,they don't know how to play off
of a tight lie where you have tohit ball first.
So being able to learn that isa huge trait teaching someone
how to have a good low point andmaking solid contact.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's why you're my distance controls better than
the, you know, the averageamateur you know, playing,
playing out on the real coursesince I've been playing a lot on
the sim has improved mydistance dramatically.
How?
So I mean, you just know yournumbers.
I mean, simply put, you knowhow far you hit your club.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
So like I have this big, thisbig thought right now, that golf
garage is the best drivingrange in the world, right,
undisputable.
So, with a premium golf balland a simulator like the four
set units where it actuallytells you how far you're going
indoor, there's no better place.
Because golf is a measurablesport, you need to know how far
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each club goes.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Analytics are so important.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And you need to know how to take something off of it
too.
We actually have a guest on ourshow and we're going to have to
talk about after the round whatwe were actually practicing
with drivers to an Island Greenis pretty sweet, but you know,
you know, I think, before we getthere.
I did want to share one morething.
You know we talked about thatsickness going around the last
week and I had that bug and alot of people have that bug.
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So I didn't get a play or Ididn't get to travel with the
SOU team this last weekend andthe men played a match play over
at Bandon Crossings, right nextto Bandon Dunes Awesome golf
course Dan Hickson designed andit was six teams and they went.
It was match play.
They went undefeated in matchplay in round one and then they
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didn't lose a match in round twoand they get to the finals and
they're playing Lewis and ClarkState, who's ranked lower than
us, and we get through 18 holesof match play and we're tied and
they had to go to a suddendeath stroke play and it was one
player from each team, sothere's four guys out there
going and we had an eight footeron the last hole to tie it and
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we missed the putt so we lost byone shot.
But I mean just the momentumthat it's going to drive our
team.
I can tell our players are moremotivated right now.
The fact that they had someassistant coaches out there,
like you know, get away from thehead coach for a little while.
I think they're just superdriven.
It's not a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing at all,thing at all.
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Get another point of view.
And at the end of the day, whenthey're playing in competition
anyway, it's go time.
They, you know, they're ready,and if they are ready and
they're doing the right stuff,they don't need a lot of
coaching during that time.
Anyway, they're calling us inwhen they do need us, like a
caddy would.
So golf's one of those sports.
So I'm super excited to seewhat's ahead for us.
We've got three events left ofthe season and you know, on the
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ladies' side of it they're moremotivated than ever and they're
practicing all the time as well.
So it'll be really, really coolto see if we can peak at the
right time.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So, as a coach, tell me, when you have a college
player that's got an eight-footputt, eight-foot putts suck
because they're hard, they'rescary, they're you know.
You know inside of four feet,inside of five feet, you feel
some confidence.
You know, outside of that, like, oh, this is so close, I should
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make this putt, but thepressure is really on you at
eight feet.
What is your, what is yourcoaching style and mentally
preparing somebody for that gamewinningwinning eight-foot putt.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, the shift is trusting your process, trust
what got you there.
You know the pre-shot routineis invaluable.
If you're not comfortable overthe putt, you're stepping away
right and like.
Those are all things that youlearn, it's all things you train
for, it's like the game-winningfree throw.
They have these routines thatare so specific, they're so
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measurable in time and they'rethe same right Every single time
.
That's like the epitome of aroutine.
And so for us, we do practicethat.
We practice.
We actually time the playersand their routines.
They have to be within onesecond.
Um, that's how we know they'rein it.
The mentality of the routine hasto be there.
There's got to be visualizationaspects to it.
You have to know you're goingto make that putt.
So I think the biggestdifference at a high level
golfer isn't that they have thefear of missing, but they
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understand how to accept thatfear and then know how to go
back to business and let thatthought go out and then go in
and do their job.
And the thing of it is, theodds aren't necessarily in your
favor of making that putt anyway, right it.
The odds aren't necessarily inyour favor of making that putt
anyway.
Right, it's eight feet.
So a tour player?
Yeah, they might have a higherpercentage than 50 of making
that putt, but your averageamateur is probably going to be
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a 10 chance of making that putt.
So speed is more important thandirection.
For someone that's under youknow, or someone, let's say,
that's over an eight handicap,we're looking ensuring you have
like 14 inches or less on thatnet, on that, yeah but I could
take that statement back and saya 36 handicapper could be a
scratch putter right, they mightbe a better putter, like that's
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the one thing in your control.
My five-year-old can putt right, that's pretty cool.
But he can't hit it 300 yards,right, well, I think.
Uh, I think it's time to bringon our guest today and, uh,
first time to the golf garageand my new teammate, uh, we've
got garrett on the show with ustoday garrett, welcome.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hey, thank you, appreciate, you guys so you're,
you're a golfer, you know you'vebeen playing golf for a while.
Yep, tell me about your firsttime in the sim, because, oh man
, there's a lot of people.
It's, in fact, it's a hugecontroversy.
People come into the sim andthey love it or they hate it,
and they say I'm so much betteron the sim.
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This is amazing and otherpeople are like, no, I'm better
on the course no, I, I, Ihonestly, I think this is where
you hone your craft.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
This is really the place that you elevate your game
.
You know, obviously, play thegame.
You know, play the course whenyou can, but when it comes to,
you know, six to eight monthsout of the year, in inclement
weather, depending on where youlive, obviously this is the
place to do it, of course,obviously, with all of the
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metrics, all of the, the, thedata that's available to you in
a place like this, this isexactly the place that you
really elevate your game.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The data is humbling.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It very much is.
But yeah, exactly, I mean thisis you know you go to a range at
, you know your local, you know,golf course, and you're
guesstimating you know yourclubs within 10, 20 yards.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You're like okay, this is yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
They have their markers out in the driving range
Exactly, but that does not, butthey don't change the markers
when they change their teelocation 100%, and this is the
place where you get within threeyards, like you know you're
getting dialed into your ironsall the way up to your driver.
So I mean, the experience hereis this is where you get.
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Obviously you enjoy it.
This is where you get uh,obviously you enjoy it.
That there's the fun factor ofbeing able to play tpc sawgrass.
You know, of course that's avery, you know, a challenging we
only ever get to watch on tvexactly, see where the pros are
playing, but also be able to um,you know, take the um level of
of, you know, being seriousabout your game as well.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So got to say my favorite thing as far as data
goes on the simulator is a rawcarry versus game carry.
The raw carry tells you whatyour actual carry is, based on
how you made contact with theball, which is dead accurate.
The game carry takes intoaccount the conditions of the
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course, right, whether you'rehitting out of sand, whether
you're hitting out of um deeprough, uh, whether you're
hitting downhill or uphill,depending on what your lie is.
And seeing that difference isum incredible.
I you know there's there's alot of instances where I'm
hitting out of the rough.
My raw carry on an 8-iron mightbe 168, but my game carry is
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149.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, it's interesting.
On the Sims it's like everyweek there's something new that
comes out.
It was weird.
I was walking by last week andI'm like, oh, that course looks
different and I just realizedit's less pixelated All of a
sudden.
The quality of the courses onGS pro are even better now.
So you're looking at it andbecause of that it seems like
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the depth perception part isgetting better.
That's the.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, so that's the thing I've noticed.
More is that people arestarting to putt because they
can actually tell that it's a 40foot putt.
Oh, it looks like a 40 footputt in the screen.
That's where they werestruggling before.
So, as they hone that in, ifthey can get that dialed in,
it's going to be insane becauseeverybody's going to want to
putt.
They're going to realize thatthe launch monitor is accurate,
right, and most of the timethey're.
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They're blaming the launchmonitor, but they're the ones
hitting the putt.
They can't tell what's 10 feet,feet uphill.
I don't know what that is.
Well, because they're so usedto going to a green they don't
measure 10 feet.
They look and react.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, if you actually looked at the sim the right way
and you looked and reacted, youwould putt really well if you
treated it like a golf course,absolutely and and every time,
every time that I hit a shotthat's long or short of what I
expected, when I look at my rawcarry versus my game carry, and
then the lie and the conditionsthat I was in going okay, well,
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that actually makes sense.
You know, yeah, and and andwith putting it's.
You know the same thing ifyou've got a downhill 13 foot
putt, yeah, it's going to godownhill, but if you're putting
from the fringe or the edge ofthe rough, it's going to
actually accurately take thatinto account and you have to
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trust it because if you don't,you'll end up.
You know you'll end up short.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, so yeah, so today go ahead.
Gary, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
no, I was just gonna to say I think the biggest thing
was mentally looking at the simas intimidating.
Where, you know, being alifelong golfer just playing
outdoors and on the course,coming to the simulator, it
seemed mentally, uh, you know,intimidating, but it's so much
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more approachable than whenyou're actually in it, um, and
actually seeing the course rightthere.
It feels much more realisticand approachable than um than I
think it builds up to be.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It is a.
It was intimidating for me.
I, I'm, I'm, I'm a big guy, I'mover six foot three and when
I'm swinging a fairway wood or adriver, for a while I it kind
of felt like the walls werecaving in on me and it was hard
to overcome that kind ofclaustrophobic feeling.
Um, that took me a little bit,to be completely honest, uh.
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But once I was able to overcomethat and and having the trust
and the confidence to swingfreely, I found the simulator is
every bit as accurate as as thereal golf course.
The only condition the onlyclub that has that I've had
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trouble getting the simulator toaccurately read is my brand new
69-degree wedge, because theloft on that club is insane.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Going into the sun with that one.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And it's just not.
You know it's having a hardtime unless I move the ball
right to the very forward edgeof where the launch monitor can
pick it up.
It's having a hard timeregistering that interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So, uh, after we got done with tpc sawgrass today, um
, garrett's in there giving agolf lesson to one of our
partners and it was awesome andI was like, oh, that's great,
you know.
So we go in there and we'retalking for a minute and I was
like, hold on a second, garrett.
You got to see this.
I'm going to set up a differenthole.
So I set up an island green forgarrett on the driving range.
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We elevated the t and we bumpedit back to an in-between
yardage for the driver.
So garrett's pumping it veryfirst hole.
He like pipes it down themiddle like two 60.
I'm like, oh, cool, who's this?
10 handicapper?
Wait what?
So we're like, you know?
So I have Chris hit first right, one of our partners, and he
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bombs it over the back of thegreen.
I'm like, oh, this is perfect,let's see what Garrett does,
because full send, he's awesomeand it was not as easy as it
looked.
So tell me a little bit abouthow that could maybe help you
hone in and what you're thinkingon it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, I think, giving you the ability to, you know,
adjust your distances, adjustyour shots, and just having
having the flexibility to toreally see what kind of you know
what kind of shots you're goingto see out there on the course,
but with the ease and you know,accessibility, with just
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hitting, um, you know, multipleshots, uh it, like this island
green setup it was, you knowabout 250 and that's whole 17,
right, yeah, it was, yeah, itwas kind of a whole 17 island
green but 250 out there and itwas certainly an awkward
distance, uh, for me, you know,mentally I just want to send it
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when I've got my driver in hand.
At that, at that distance, um,but being able to have the
flexibility with um, you know,with this technology obviously
you can, um, you can reallycreate different shots and set
up different scenarios foryourself.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
That creating an island green at 250 is just
cruel pretty, pretty awesome.
Yeah, it is because I meanthose, those of us who, like me,
when I pound my driver, mycarry is in the 250s, maybe up
to 270 if I crank out and reallygood if I really connect.
But that translates out to a290 drive by the time it rolls
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out on a fairway and then islandgreen.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You're screwed, yeah, but here's the nice thing about
it.
Okay, garrett, did you lose asingle golf ball today?
I did not no baby.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
We saved him money and he was still able to hit
into the water if he wanted to.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
100 it was awesome 100, absolutely a 250, a golf
ball, that?
Yeah, it's painful when you'reout on a course like that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The balls you're playing mine are probably more
like $6 a golf ball $6.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
What are you hitting?
Five or six, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
TaylorMade TP5.
What else Gold-plated?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
100%.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know, I'm on staff so I don't.
Sure, there's an allotment,I'll give you a ball.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
All right, I need a couple, a couple of them.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm going to need more than a couple.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
We're excited that the weather's going to be
cooperating over the next coupleof months to get out and have
some nice outdoor golf weathertoo.
But now is the time to justgrind on the simulator and hone
those skills.
We'll get out there and provethat the simulators have made
you a better golfer, becauseit's true.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Well, I'm excited to get out on the golf course.
Um, got some pro-ams coming upand I'm just looking forward to
using the simulator for that too, because a couple of courses on
the pro-ams are on oursimulators.
So play it a little bit, getsome legs up on the competition.
As far as carry numbers, I cancut corners where there's out of
bounds to see how far itactually is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like I'm super excited my son told me to remind
you that you got a caddy forhim.
Oh man dude.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I can't wait as long as he doesn't put any rocks in
his bag no rocks, no rocks.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'll make sure that push cart maybe.
Maybe there's a power cart or acourse light in the back, the
silver bullet in the back thatwould.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That would be a great thing to do with a junior
golfer right.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, probably, probably, won't be doing that
one.
That was definitely frownedupon, but, uh, like rear heads
up.
Maybe barbecue after there wego again.
That's awesome.
Well, no other other than that.
I mean, I think a lot of thingsthat people are needing to look
at a little bit more is thatshort game work, you know so,
the simulators are great.
But using the putting green,using the chipping green, all
that stuff, bunkers now ready togo, and we got real grass out
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there, you know.
So just what I was getting atwas like we're gonna start
getting people on the coursestarting in april.
So fridays we're gonna do playdays, getting people out there.
I think that's a huge benefitin trying to create this
community that feels like hometo everybody.
Get the kids out, get theobviously you know we've got the
men out here for this, butgetting couples league started
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up that's a huge opportunity.
I don't think there's enoughpeople doing stuff for ladies
golf right now, I think you know, kind of changing, changing
that up a little bit.
You know, um, I think there'san intimidation factor, um, it's
always kind of been agentleman's game, um, you know,
and I think the the vendors aredoing a better job of creating
that environment to have ladiesequipment and showing them that
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this is a sport for them too.
But, man, there's a lot ofworking ladies out there that
want to get better at golf.
It helps with business, justlike going out with their
husbands and, let's face it, atsome point we're all going to
retire and we're going to bewith our wives, like we need to
be with them at the best placesin the world.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That was a golf course, oh dude.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Imagine Dominican on the ocean 14 holes with water,
Like that's better than a beachwith a prime rib dinner waiting
for you when you get all done,dude little little bottle of
water.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, exactly, get your cardio in.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You're good, absolutely it's like band and
like you guys have beenabandoned right, yep, I've been.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I've never played we're gonna go, that's, that's
my, that's my goal this thissummer is to get out to go play
bandit on gs pro first, and thenwe'll go play bandit okay well,
one of my best experienceswasn't playing bandon, it was
bringing my wife to bandon.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It was the first time she'd ever been, because she
always talked about how you gowith the boys and I was like,
yeah, we do.
I didn't know you wanted to goand we.
We went in, we got arefreshment, we came out and
there was a fire going at twoo'clock pm and there's glass up,
so the wind wasn't hitting youand we stayed there until sunset
, basically overlooking theocean and the golf course it was
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like.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It was like heaven on earth.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
You can't beat that yeah, it's an experience, you
know we we a guy who I met hereat the golf garage, um over the
summer, who's a caddy in courtlane, idaho, and also in um palm
springs, uh met us in SantaBarbara, california, and played
around with us over at SandpiperGolf Club and just that kind of
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experience hanging out withpeople even if you don't know
them well.
The bond you create, therelationships you build during
that type of experience, andjust being able to sit down
afterwards and have a couple ofdrinks enjoying the beautiful
Southern California sunsets overthe ocean is priceless, corey
that's who it was Corey Marino.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, absolutely, corey's a peach Great guy, good
player, just funny.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Just a funny dude.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know, I was just thinking about when you said
about how golf creates theseexperiences, and I always think
about golf.
You know, business is on thegolf course and businesses done
in the golf garage.
I was like I think I figuredout how to fix, you know, the
employee problem.
Every employee you have, youinterview them on the golf
course while they're playing.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You'll know who they are.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh yeah, game on right.
Three holes in.
You're going to know if you'regoing to hire them or not, and
you know what it's so much.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
it's so great to be down here at the Golf Garage and
seeing the CEO of the localChamber of Commerce, to see all
these business owners out heredoing business together and
working together and networking,seeing high-ranking officials
with your local policedepartment and fire departments
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out here all networking together.
It's this is a place to be, toget connected, to get to know
people on a level that you'llnever get to know them if you
walk into their office, in theirworkplace.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And I think that's you know, Imean Garrett first time in.
I think that's really theculture we're trying to create,
right?
I I've been writing all thesenotes down and I'm like what is
culture?
I'm like it's family.
Well, like what does familyequal?
Family equals the feeling ofhome, like like golf garage is
home, right.
So like that's what I'm tryingto figure out.
I'm like what is this business?
We've been open for eightmonths.
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What are we going to be?
How do we better?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
and then, I think you've achieved that with
everybody who comes here on aregular basis yeah it's now
getting the rest of the world toknow about it yeah, and then
eventually expanding, makinggolf garages all over yeah,
absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean just to just to add to that.
I think golf is very it's avery obviously social, but can
be a very intimate experiencewhere you you really do make
really deep, uh you knowfriendships and it to your point
.
It does, um, you know, whenyou're looking at a potential
employee, or you know, uh, itunveils characteristics of of
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someone, it unveils character,good or bad, you know.
It really does, um, it takesthe veil off of that.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Golf has always had that reputation and that
standard of being a game ofintegrity, right totally.
And the golf garage not only it, it, it embraces that integrity
, so much so to the point itgives members 24 7 access,
unsupervised, to the facilityit's like oh, you're a golfer,
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you must have integrity.
We're going to give you a keyto the building when we're not
here to come in and play andhaving that there's a camera
system in place.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, there is that you know I may look at it a
little bit when I see somebodycoming at two in the morning I
get a little there is that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But as a member, as somebody who's like, oh you know
, I'm not going to come in hereat two o'clock in the morning
when nobody's here and play golf.
I'm just not that.
I'm not that guy.
The fact that they're givingthat amount of trust to the
members um speaks a lot andshows that they truly stand
behind the game of golf andeverything that it means.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, without question.
I mean, I think you know thedream of any golfer is you know
when you have the itch you needto be able to scratch it Right.
So, like I've seen so manygolfers at, I've worked at a
couple of high end- that's whythis is a man's sport.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Exactly High end privates where so they get done
with member guests, they getdone with a tournament, or
they're just before that andthey're grinding and they're
just so unhappy about one shot.
They hit and it's dark or or theweather changed or storming or
whatever, and they just theycan't go do that.
And we all know that after around of golf is the best time
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to practice right.
It's not before, before you'rewarming up to see what you got
right.
When you go play the, you knowwhat you got and you're
frustrated or you're happier,You're so, so right.
And then after you have todecide what you're going to go
work on.
And if you have five minuteswhen you're done, that's the
best practice you can ever have,because you're so hyper-focused
on what you did on the coursethat you can actually create a
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change really quickly afteryou're done, Whereas the average
golfer says I'm just going togo hit balls until I'm ready to
go play golf whereas the averagegolfer says I'm just going to
go hit balls until I'm ready togo play golf and then come back
tomorrow and help facilitatethat muscle memory yeah, yeah,
without question.
It's like that doesn't happenvery often either, right they?
They come in after the roundand they do it once, and so most
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golfers don't know how topractice, which is why we offer
practice programs within golfgarage, because it's really not
that hard of a game, but we makeit a hard game based on what
we've seen I disagree.
It's the hardest game on earthwell, it's the hardest game on
earth.
It's still not that hard it canbe easier.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Is what you're saying ?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
yes, maybe it can be, it can be made a little bit
easier I'm not I'm not buyingthe it's it's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Robotic golf balls, we got it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's why you have a non-PGA professional hosting
this podcast with you.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I will tell you firsthand it is that hard.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, but if you played, you know if you did what
I did right.
You start when you're 12 yearsold.
You work at golf courses yourwhole life.
You play in college.
You get some coaching.
You get some coaching.
You get injured.
You learn how to play again.
You change your swing threetimes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You kind of learn mentally how to grind right I
mean so again, at some level wecan all hit a golf ball right
like an 80 year old, where wewanted to go right and I think
that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So now you're putting expectation, which is the
mental game.
So it's today.
I had a fitting.
So this was an awesomeexperience for me Um coming off
being sick, not teaching for acouple of weeks and then coming
in and I get um, a really goodcollegiate golfer from Cal
Lutheran, coming up strugglingwith driver um, worked with her
over the winter for like twoweeks, got her dialed in irons
(30:33):
are awesome Driver good.
So I'm like you know we mightwant to look at a fitting, but
let's try a few things.
Um, within five minutes I gother hitting it 50 yards further.
I've never, ever, had a lessonwhere I've gotten more.
I've got 35 one time, but itwas because I did a fitting.
So it was like new technologymixed with a little swing help.
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This was straight swing.
Only she carried it 35 yardsfurther, 50 yards total, and we
went back to back to back andshe was averaging 35 to 40 yards
longer than what she was doingpre and I'm like, wow, that that
is such a cool feeling.
And then she's smiling, she'spumped up she's ready.
Now it's her number one club.
And then right after that I hadanother driver lesson with a
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kid on our sou golf team who'sgot an amazing golf swing and he
just got done playing.
He's like, yeah, I just wasstruggling.
I literally look at his hitlocation because foresight lets
us do that and I mean he'smissing it on the toe.
I'm looking at a couple things.
I'm like you know, I know wefit you for that driver a while
back, but you really need togrip down like an inch.
(31:38):
I'm like that's pretty much allI got for you and he does that.
Kids flying at 308, 330, all ofa sudden, dead straight lines.
He can't miss the fairway.
A couple of them were like 280or whatever, but like he's, I
got it on video.
I'm like huh ball speed justjumped up to 175 clubhead speeds
at 119.
I'm like dude's, I got it onvideo.
I'm like huh Ball speed justjumped up to 175 club head
speeds at one 19.
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I'm like dude, you could behitting it further than that.
So it's incredible, like whenyou use the technology the right
way and what I was going to getat was where people struggle in
the practice side, that I wasable to stop.
Actually, both of them was was.
It's not like they hit everyshot, perfect, but when we made
an adjustment and I said, okay,you saw that go right now.
(32:20):
Forget about that, because thevisual of that shot isn't
exactly what's going to happenon the next one so you hit this
big push fade, that's fine, butthat was way different than the
ball flight you were previouslyhitting.
So now don't memorize whatyou've been doing, because then
you're just going to adjust towhat you saw, as opposed to
trying to feel what you'retrying to feel.
And if we can get you to feelwhat you want to feel now, you
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can pipe it on number 18 atAugusta and it's no big deal.
That's why we wonder why thetour players can do it.
They've recreated the feel oftheir golf swing so many times.
They don't really care what itlooks like.
They don't really care what itlooks like.
They don't care where the ballgoes.
If the coach tells them to dosomething, they're fine with
hitting it high, right and youknow what right okay.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So I have a lot of friends.
I have, I know, a lot of peoplewho are completely petrified,
scared, stiffless, of the wholeum.
Fitting experience tell meabout why that's important and
why people shouldn't be afraidto go to their local pro and say
I want to get fitted for clubs.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, so I'm in a top 50 group of coaches that we
meet every year in the nation.
Yes, yeah, and in the country,through Golf Range Association,
we meet in Pinehurst and wediscuss this and one of the
questions that's been on thedocket for quite a while it
wasn't this year, but it waslike when do you fit and when do
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you teach, plain and simple.
And so it's super odd.
I mean, there's fitting timeswhere I've literally stopped the
fit and I'm like you needlessons, you know, and I'm like
don't spend money on that rightnow, we can work with the clubs
you have.
And then there's times where myfitting experience is three
days and they're not consecutivedays either, because they don't
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know how to hit balls, they'retired.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Or lessons won't help you until you have clubs that
are fit for you.
That was the next one right.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The next one is I.
A lot of times, especially ifit's someone I'm going to see,
the club becomes a training aid,right?
So if somebody's mishit is left, right and they're super
upright and the in the heelsdigging and it's closing down
the club, right, I could fixthat in two seconds by
flattening it out or shorteningthe club.
(34:31):
So there's, there's ways to dothings, and so what happens that
I love about our coaches andour fitters is that we're
finding out what that studentwants first.
Right, it's an interview.
It's like hey, what's the shotI can help you with today?
What's the thing you don't wantto see?
Are you looking for distance?
Like everyone, most people arenever going to say no to
distance, but I have had a fewthat are like I just don't want
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to see you go left, like, oh,okay, well, that's pretty easy
or right, yeah, a hundredpercent.
And so there is a time and aplace where, because our coaches
are, are also fitters and viceversa.
It may be, as long as they'renot working with another coach,
we find out what they're workingon.
We try to reiterate that, justso it's.
It's a, it's a win for them andwe don't want to confuse them.
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But it might be a small ballposition change.
It might be a small adjustment.
It depends on the caliber ofgolfer and what they came in for
.
But we're always asking aheadof time if there's any
modifications that need to bemade and usually it's a yes.
But man, in two seconds, withthe technology now, I mean,
cobra's got like 30 differentoptions on their hosel now to
make adjustments to lie angleand loft.
(35:37):
We're having to educateourselves constantly on what
shafts are out there, what theshaft profile is.
It doesn't mean that's what'sgoing to change the ball flight,
because shaft is playerpreference, it's how they feel.
The club right, the things wehave control over, is loft right
, we can adjust loft and byadjusting loft that can actually
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add spin to the ball ordecrease it.
It doesn't mean it's going tomake it launch higher.
People get confused with launchand spin.
They think, hey, if I adjust itto a 12 degree height, I'm
going to launch it higher.
Well, yeah, I mean you could,but if you deliver the club down
and different, it's still goingto launch low.
Just you need that additionalspin to keep the ball in the air
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to get you maximum distance.
So there's tour players outthere that play 12 degree
drivers right and they hit them300 yards right.
Most of them play nine eight sowhat happens is, if you play a
less lofted driver and you canfind the center of the face
right, you're going to hit theball farther right because
there's more power going to thegolf ball in less spin right in
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the right direction versus up inthe sky but the other thing is
you have deflection on that club.
So without with you have lessloft, there's potential for it
to deflect off the facedifferently.
So the higher the swing speed,you know, you look at that old
hallway that used to draw and itgot narrower and narrower and
narrower and you're looking downlike the train track theory
right, well, it's the oppositetheory or the opposite spray.
(37:00):
If you're looking down like thetrain track theory right, well,
it's the opposite theory or theopposite spray.
If you're the golfer, you'restaring at the narrow, you're
standing at the narrow sidelooking at a bigger spray.
So if you have 120 mile an hourclub head speed versus 100 mile
an hour club head speed and youmiss it one degree offline,
dude that ball is in anotherdude.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
That ball could be in another fairway.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, and you have a little bit of an open face with
it.
You're done.
So.
The technology behind thefitting is what allows the
fitting to be successful.
We can actually see at impactwhat the lie angle of the club
is and it tells us right away.
Oh cool, that person needs twodegrees upright.
It's like cheating.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's not hard.
Let's bring this home to theaverage person listening to this
podcast who is a weekend golferon municipal or country club
courses.
When they go down to a localsporting goods store and buy a
set of clubs off the rack, thoseclubs are designed for an
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average.
Obviously they make them thatway.
What is that average?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
yeah, so there's no standard anymore.
Um, I don't even carry clubs onthe rack, um, because every
golfer is different and andhere's the here's the easiest
way to think about it I'm fivefoot seven and a half.
I'll give myself that half mylength, based on standard, is
one quarter inch short.
I play a quarter inch short ofstandard and I play one degree
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flat, which is almost twodegrees flat.
That's, that's my line goal.
That's how I deliver the club.
I have a friend who's six footseven.
He is one foot taller than me.
His clubs are a quarter inchlonger than mine only in his
standard, and his lie angle isstandard, his putter is shorter
than my putter and he's six footseven, so arm hang based on
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that forward bend length of armsright.
All of these things create thefitting experience, and then how
you deliver the ball at impactmatters.
So one of the things that Iactually can pride myself on is
I can fit you in about 20minutes.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I actually normally can fit you in five.
You fit me for my putter andnow I hit.
Honestly, I hit my putterbetter than I've ever hit, ever
because this club was fit for me.
I do, being 6'3" I still chokeup on that putter a little bit
sure, and some of the thingsbecause I want to get over the
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ball.
I want to get my eyes over thetop of the ball and in order to
do that and have the putter liewhere I'm comfortable and where
my natural position would be, Ihave to choke up just a little
bit and that works for me, eventhough I'm six foot three and
I'm going.
This is a standard lengthputter.
It's got to be built for theaverage person.
(39:50):
At what?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
5, 10 yeah, well, look at what, michelle, we used
to do.
She literally used to bend,touching her toes right, almost.
I mean she was 90 degrees bentfrom her hip and her back was to
the sky, and that's how sheputted.
So who's to say that's wrong ifshe's making everything she
looks at?
But her putter is not going tobe 35 inches at that point.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So I think player preference has a lot to do with
it, and so we treat everyonedifferent in the fitting
experience.
That's why you need to go toyour professional and you need
to ask questions too, and I'vealways said this this is really
important.
Any golfer out there listeningaround the country, you go into
a store you don't necessarilyknow who's fitting you and you
(40:31):
go in for an experience so like,let's say, you go, you know, to
dick sporting goods.
They have good fitters there.
But if you don't get someonethat's been fitting a long time,
you need to ask questions likewhy am I getting fit into this
club?
If they can't answer thatquestion, they shouldn't be
fitting you.
Like what's the differencebetween this head and this head.
Even if they blow smoke, atleast they're answering the
(40:52):
question.
Most people that don't have ananswer are going to not lie to
you and they're going to tellyou.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And don't swipe that card for $1,700 on something
that they can't give you adirect answer yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
It is an investment and if you get fit incorrectly,
it's going to cost you a lotmore later, because most of the
time we cannot fix a shaft.
That's wrong we have to send itin.
That's expensive and it takestime and you don't have your
clubs for a couple of weeksbecause we're not going to
reshaft it ourselves, we'regoing to send it to the vendor,
because then it's guaranteed foryou.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So go to someone that you know you can trust.
We guarantee our fits at GolfGarage.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, I just know, with my wedges, when I'm not
doing the full swing and I'vegot a 20-yard chip, I have a
heck of a time with shanking itto the right and I scratch my
head going.
I'm doing everything right, myweight distribution is forward,
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my hands are forward, the ballplacement is perfect and I had
one of my teammates go you'retoo far over the ball, you're
hitting with your toe, but I'mlike this is where I'm
comfortable and the club is notfit correctly for me.
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So I have to back up my stanceto get the club lie to be
correct, to where I'm nothitting the ground with the toe
and opening up the face andhitting the ball to the right.
And as soon as I back up, it'slike I'm hitting perfectly
straight shots.
But it's not in my comfort zone.
Sure, yeah, yeah it tells me, Ineed to be fit for new wedges.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Honestly, I think I, I think this might be the the.
The next step for me is to getuh, to get probably new
technology, um, and and maybesome, uh, some fittings, because
, noah, to your point, it's,there's that dance between, like
, uh, you know, do you have theright swing, versus do you have
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the right setup, and um, I thinkthere's, there is that dance,
there's that balance there.
That can be tricky, but withall the technology, um, you know
that's available, it's.
It makes it much easier toidentify what you know, what
area really needs to beaddressed, whether it is, you
know, more of a swing, um ormore of an equipment setup and
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um, you know that can make theworld of difference, obviously.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Like Noah, preached this a couple of weeks back and
it was a tough pill for me toswallow, because I'm one of the
YouTube junkies who watches golfvideos all the time.
And you see all these tips andtricks on YouTube and they make
so much sense in your mind,you're like, oh, that's what I'm
missing.
And you go out to the courseand try to apply that and it
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destroys you.
And, like Noah keeps saying, ifyou're not able to hit the ball
in the center of the club, faceevery time, nothing else
matters.
Until you can do that, everytraining aid, every tip, every
trick you can see on YouTubedoesn't matter.
And that's why watching allthese YouTube videos is not
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working for you and in manycases, making you worse, because
it's overcomplicating things.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So seek professional help right, that's what we're
here for.
It's there for you.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
And next week I know we're going to talk about a lot
about um golf accessibility,even for um people who have
mobility limitations, evenparaplegic uh people talking
about ways to get them on the onon the golf course.
And I've seen I've seenparaplegics out on the golf
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course shooting in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, it's scratch.
It's amazing to watch.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Amazing.
When you can give people theright tools and the right
adaptive equipment to play thegame of golf, it's, it's there.
I mean nothing can stop youfrom being a successful golfer.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Talk about getting fit properly, right, I mean the
equipment.
There is so much fun, um, pgahope program and the education
that we've done there.
Um, and just putting yourselfin a position to try to hit out
of you know, like a David'schair, for instance, or out of
you know, like a David's chair,for instance, or out of um, they
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have like a crutch that you putyour your leg in and you have
to feel like you have one legand it hikes your hip up and
you're like what am I doing?
And they're like well, that'swhat you have to feel, that's
what they are dealing with.
And you're like now I have tolearn how to teach, so it's so
cool to be able to understandthat, but I'm I'm really looking
forward to next week.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, so the founder and CEO uh of David's chair, uh,
steve first, will be on theshow with us.
He is, um, he.
He had a good friend of his whobecame uh, mobility uh
restricted, and it was hispassion to create a nonprofit
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organization that allowed peoplewith mobility limitations to
achieve anything and everythingthat everybody else can do,
whether it be running on thebeach, playing volleyball,
playing golf on a golf course.
From the chest down can get outon the golf course and shoot in
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the 70s, because these chairsallow them to maneuver around
the golf course like a golf cart, but then stand them up into an
upright prone position, grab agolf club and do a full golf
swing.
Yeah, as a paraplegic, it's,it's heartwarming and it's
mind-boggling all at the sametime.
And unless you've seen thisfirsthand which I have is, um,
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it's something everybody needsto know about and I know it's.
It's a really big deal to meand it's very important to me to
you know, support, support, hisorganization and all the good
that they do, not just in thegolf industry but to everybody
who has limitations when itcomes to mobility.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Absolutely.
I mean, golf is one of thosesports that you can play till
you're, you know, a hundredyears old, and now it's opening
up all these additional doorsand it gives hope to everybody.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Corey Corey, the caddy who I golfed with in in
Santa Barbara, california, wastelling me that he has a client
who he caddies for, who he hitsevery shot for, but then he
putts oh nice.
He competes in competitions,he's in his late 80s and he gets
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out on the golf course andplays 18 holes five days a week
and it gives me goosebumps tothink about the drive and the
passion that so many people havefor this sport and being able
to give them the adaptationsthey need to be successful in
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doing so, and not onlysuccessful competitive.
So we look forward to havingSteve first on next week.
Before we let you go, tell meabout your, tell me a story
about your greatest golfexperience.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Oh man, I mean you had mentioned Bandon Dunes.
I think probably the test andthe scenery and the just overall
experience of what Bandon hasto offer, of what Bandon has to
offer, whether it's an averagegolfer to a savvy, experienced
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golfer, I would say we talkedabout it, noah, and I talked
about it a little bit.
Pacific Dunes is an absolutechallenge over on the Oregon
coast, with all of the weather,the distance, the different you
know shot shapes that you haveto have, you have to have a lot
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in the bag to be able to, to besuccessful there.
But you know, I would, I wouldsay anytime I get over to the
Bandon you know area that to theOregon coast, that's always, um
, you know, just an amazingexperience to to Scotland of.
America, and it really is.
Yeah, I mean, I haven't beenfortunate enough to uh, to go to
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.
You know St Andrew's old course, or?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
anything like that.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
But uh, but it really does bring that type of um.
You know the old, you knoworiginal, you know style of the
links to you know the West Coast.
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
That's amazing.
You and I are going to do thatthis summer.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Sounds like a plan.
I think we just need to put iton the calendar and we have to
bring Garrett back with us?
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yes, absolutely, let's do it All right.
Hey Garrett, thanks for beingon with us as usual and talking
up the golf garage man.
We had a blast.
Can't wait for next week.
It was an absolute blast, yeahabsolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Thanks for joining us .
We'll see you next week, guys,take care, thank you.
Welcome to the my golf source podcast.
Welcome to the my golf sourcepodcast.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm Darren and I'm Noah and we're back, baby, we
are back.
Sim league in the books Justgot done playing one of the new
sim league.
Yeah, march, april's on the way.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
How did you play?
We played um TPC sawgrass.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, we were there too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That killed us.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's kind of nice to be able to play TPC sawgrass and
not have to fly anywhere, isn'tit?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Isn't it In perfect conditions all the time?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It is.
You know we played good.
We were 14 under par today.
We had literally I would saythat might have been one of the
best scores we got a shot.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hole 17 is brutal.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Do you knock it on?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Not on my first try.
Perfect distance Uh, not on myfirst try.
So perfect, perfect distance.
Slightly right.
And no forgiveness with thatfront pin placement Cause it
wasn't right in the water.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You know what, though ?
It plays exactly like they doon tour.
So if you play it past the pin,there's a backstop and it'll
come back.
Oh man.
That's the local knowledge.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Why you have.
That's why the pros havecaddies, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It was nice that it wasn't windy, though I think, uh
, the only difference is one ofthese days we're gonna have to
put some wind in, so it's reallylike florida golf yeah make it
a little bit more challengingfrom from pin placement on 17
was rough.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, how about the guys?
And I just played one extraclub?
Well, I probably would havebeen on I I was.
My shot was three yards pastthe pin, but about six yards
right, which put me right on theedge in the water yeah, I think
we need to hire a caddy for you.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's all right, yeah, or you know what you could do.
You could just come out andpractice it tomorrow, because we
could just put that hole on.
You know practice mode and youcould figure it out for the next
time.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
There we go that's what I'll do.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Did you watch a little golf on TV while you were
playing?
No, no.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So my buddy, steve, who doesn't play a whole lot of
golf, but he runs an amazing,amazing charity that we'll talk
about next week.
He joined our league.
He he was on our team, so I wasvisiting and catching up with
him and we were having a greattime.
It just yeah, focusing more onrelationships and conversation
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and less on the golf game, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So I've got a good story for you real quick on the
last hole of sim league.
So one of our guys, chris um,hits this ball way right on hole
number 18, ricochets off thecart path in no more than like a
half a second later we look upon the tv and there's a replay
of a tour player hitting it inthe exact same place and we're
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looking.
We're like cool your shots ontv dude.
No, no, his shot was on tv.
It was a replay of his shot.
It was the craziest that iscool.
Yeah, it was super crazy that itactually happened that way.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So on my second shot from the drop, I hit it long and
hit the green and rolled offthe back and down onto the
wooden bridge.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Played as it lies right.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So I played as it lies.
I didn't go in the water, I'mlaying on the bridge.
So I'm thinking, hey, thisbridge, the ball will roll
quickly across this.
I'm going to putt Bad choice.
And so that bridge is veryuneven and it was hitting the
wood planks and bouncingstraight up and actually came
backwards and added anothercouple of yards to my putt.
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So, being a genius, I thoughtI'd putt it again and just hit
it harder and did the same thing.
And so I'm like, okay, it'stime to take a wedge off the
bridge.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So what you're saying is it plays like a real golf
course.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It plays like you were putting on a rugged pier.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes, that's crazy, that's exactly what it was.
Well, it's kind of fun.
You know, we had, you know,half the base full with Sim
League and then we had a bunchof members playing still next to
us.
Yeah, full house tonight, yeah,rolling for sure.
So it's good to see it stayingbusy, and you know it's really
cool this time of the year toowhen you have TPC Sawgrass.
You know it seems like it achance to get out there and play
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it.
That would be one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Those of us who, those of us who are just used to
playing municipal golf coursesaround around towns and local
country clubs and stuff, wedon't ever get a taste of what
it's really like and what thetour players experience and and
and here on the sim league weactually get to do that.
So it's, it's eyeopening to, tosay the least.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Think about this too from a professional perspective.
A lot of people strugglehitting off of mats.
Well, mats are the perfectplace to practice.
It's a perfect lie in the ballsitting up, and if you think of
a tour caliber golf course,that's what you're hitting off
of.
You're hitting off of a tight,tight lie with the ball sitting
up.
So most courses are mowingtheir grass potentially at
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between a half an inch and threequarters of an inch fairway
height, which the ball can sitdown, or it can sit way up, and
so, depending on the golfer,they don't know how to play off
of a tight lie where you have tohit ball first.
So being able to learn that isa huge trait teaching someone
how to have a good low point andmaking solid contact.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's why you're my distance controls better than
the, you know, the averageamateur you know, playing,
playing out on the real coursesince I've been playing a lot on
the sim has improved mydistance dramatically.
How?
So I mean, you just know yournumbers.
I mean, simply put, you knowhow far you hit your club.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
So like I have this big, thisbig thought right now, that golf
garage is the best drivingrange in the world, right,
undisputable.
So, with a premium golf balland a simulator like the four
set units where it actuallytells you how far you're going
indoor, there's no better place.
Because golf is a measurablesport, you need to know how far
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each club goes.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Analytics are so important.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And you need to know how to take something off of it
too.
We actually have a guest on ourshow and we're going to have to
talk about after the round whatwe were actually practicing
with drivers to an Island Greenis pretty sweet, but you know,
you know, I think, before we getthere.
I did want to share one morething.
You know we talked about thatsickness going around the last
week and I had that bug and alot of people have that bug.
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So I didn't get a play or Ididn't get to travel with the
SOU team this last weekend andthe men played a match play over
at Bandon Crossings, right nextto Bandon Dunes Awesome golf
course Dan Hickson designed andit was six teams and they went.
It was match play.
They went undefeated in matchplay in round one and then they
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didn't lose a match in round twoand they get to the finals and
they're playing Lewis and ClarkState, who's ranked lower than
us, and we get through 18 holesof match play and we're tied and
they had to go to a suddendeath stroke play and it was one
player from each team, sothere's four guys out there
going and we had an eight footeron the last hole to tie it and
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we missed the putt so we lost byone shot.
But I mean just the momentumthat it's going to drive our
team.
I can tell our players are moremotivated right now.
The fact that they had someassistant coaches out there,
like you know, get away from thehead coach for a little while.
I think they're just superdriven.
It's not a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing at all,thing at all.
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Get another point of view.
And at the end of the day, whenthey're playing in competition
anyway, it's go time.
They, you know, they're ready,and if they are ready and
they're doing the right stuff,they don't need a lot of
coaching during that time.
Anyway, they're calling us inwhen they do need us, like a
caddy would.
So golf's one of those sports.
So I'm super excited to seewhat's ahead for us.
We've got three events left ofthe season and you know, on the
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ladies' side of it they're moremotivated than ever and they're
practicing all the time as well.
So it'll be really, really coolto see if we can peak at the
right time.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So, as a coach, tell me, when you have a college
player that's got an eight-footputt, eight-foot putts suck
because they're hard, they'rescary, they're you know.
You know inside of four feet,inside of five feet, you feel
some confidence.
You know, outside of that, like, oh, this is so close, I should
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make this putt, but thepressure is really on you at
eight feet.
What is your, what is yourcoaching style and mentally
preparing somebody for that gamewinningwinning eight-foot putt.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, the shift is trusting your process, trust
what got you there.
You know the pre-shot routineis invaluable.
If you're not comfortable overthe putt, you're stepping away
right and like.
Those are all things that youlearn, it's all things you train
for, it's like the game-winningfree throw.
They have these routines thatare so specific, they're so
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measurable in time and they'rethe same right Every single time
.
That's like the epitome of aroutine.
And so for us, we do practicethat.
We practice.
We actually time the playersand their routines.
They have to be within onesecond.
Um, that's how we know they'rein it.
The mentality of the routine hasto be there.
There's got to be visualizationaspects to it.
You have to know you're goingto make that putt.
So I think the biggestdifference at a high level
golfer isn't that they have thefear of missing, but they
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understand how to accept thatfear and then know how to go
back to business and let thatthought go out and then go in
and do their job.
And the thing of it is, theodds aren't necessarily in your
favor of making that putt anyway, right it.
The odds aren't necessarily inyour favor of making that putt
anyway.
Right, it's eight feet.
So a tour player?
Yeah, they might have a higherpercentage than 50 of making
that putt, but your averageamateur is probably going to be
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a 10 chance of making that putt.
So speed is more important thandirection.
For someone that's under youknow, or someone, let's say,
that's over an eight handicap,we're looking ensuring you have
like 14 inches or less on thatnet, on that, yeah but I could
take that statement back and saya 36 handicapper could be a
scratch putter right, they mightbe a better putter, like that's
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the one thing in your control.
My five-year-old can putt right, that's pretty cool.
But he can't hit it 300 yards,right, well, I think.
Uh, I think it's time to bringon our guest today and, uh,
first time to the golf garageand my new teammate, uh, we've
got garrett on the show with ustoday garrett, welcome.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Hey, thank you, appreciate, you guys so you're,
you're a golfer, you know you'vebeen playing golf for a while.
Yep, tell me about your firsttime in the sim, because, oh man
, there's a lot of people.
It's, in fact, it's a hugecontroversy.
People come into the sim andthey love it or they hate it,
and they say I'm so much betteron the sim.
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This is amazing and otherpeople are like, no, I'm better
on the course no, I, I, Ihonestly, I think this is where
you hone your craft.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
This is really the place that you elevate your game
.
You know, obviously, play thegame.
You know, play the course whenyou can, but when it comes to,
you know, six to eight monthsout of the year, in inclement
weather, depending on where youlive, obviously this is the
place to do it, of course,obviously, with all of the
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metrics, all of the, the, thedata that's available to you in
a place like this, this isexactly the place that you
really elevate your game.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The data is humbling.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It very much is.
But yeah, exactly, I mean thisis you know you go to a range at
, you know your local, you know,golf course, and you're
guesstimating you know yourclubs within 10, 20 yards.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You're like okay, this is yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
They have their markers out in the driving range
Exactly, but that does not, butthey don't change the markers
when they change their teelocation 100%, and this is the
place where you get within threeyards, like you know you're
getting dialed into your ironsall the way up to your driver.
So I mean, the experience hereis this is where you get.
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Obviously you enjoy it.
This is where you get uh,obviously you enjoy it.
That there's the fun factor ofbeing able to play tpc sawgrass.
You know, of course that's avery, you know, a challenging we
only ever get to watch on tvexactly, see where the pros are
playing, but also be able to um,you know, take the um level of
of, you know, being seriousabout your game as well.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So got to say my favorite thing as far as data
goes on the simulator is a rawcarry versus game carry.
The raw carry tells you whatyour actual carry is, based on
how you made contact with theball, which is dead accurate.
The game carry takes intoaccount the conditions of the
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course, right, whether you'rehitting out of sand, whether
you're hitting out of um deeprough, uh, whether you're
hitting downhill or uphill,depending on what your lie is.
And seeing that difference isum incredible.
I you know there's there's alot of instances where I'm
hitting out of the rough.
My raw carry on an 8-iron mightbe 168, but my game carry is
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149.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, it's interesting.
On the Sims it's like everyweek there's something new that
comes out.
It was weird.
I was walking by last week andI'm like, oh, that course looks
different and I just realizedit's less pixelated All of a
sudden.
The quality of the courses onGS pro are even better now.
So you're looking at it andbecause of that it seems like
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the depth perception part isgetting better.
That's the.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, so that's the thing I've noticed.
More is that people arestarting to putt because they
can actually tell that it's a 40foot putt.
Oh, it looks like a 40 footputt in the screen.
That's where they werestruggling before.
So, as they hone that in, ifthey can get that dialed in,
it's going to be insane becauseeverybody's going to want to
putt.
They're going to realize thatthe launch monitor is accurate,
right, and most of the timethey're.
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They're blaming the launchmonitor, but they're the ones
hitting the putt.
They can't tell what's 10 feet,feet uphill.
I don't know what that is.
Well, because they're so usedto going to a green they don't
measure 10 feet.
They look and react.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, if you actually looked at the sim the right way
and you looked and reacted, youwould putt really well if you
treated it like a golf course,absolutely and and every time,
every time that I hit a shotthat's long or short of what I
expected, when I look at my rawcarry versus my game carry, and
then the lie and the conditionsthat I was in going okay, well,
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that actually makes sense.
You know, yeah, and and andwith putting it's.
You know the same thing ifyou've got a downhill 13 foot
putt, yeah, it's going to godownhill, but if you're putting
from the fringe or the edge ofthe rough, it's going to
actually accurately take thatinto account and you have to
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trust it because if you don't,you'll end up.
You know you'll end up short.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, so yeah, so today go ahead.
Gary, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
no, I was just gonna to say I think the biggest thing
was mentally looking at the simas intimidating.
Where, you know, being alifelong golfer just playing
outdoors and on the course,coming to the simulator, it
seemed mentally, uh, you know,intimidating, but it's so much
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more approachable than whenyou're actually in it, um, and
actually seeing the course rightthere.
It feels much more realisticand approachable than um than I
think it builds up to be.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It is a.
It was intimidating for me.
I, I'm, I'm, I'm a big guy, I'mover six foot three and when
I'm swinging a fairway wood or adriver, for a while I it kind
of felt like the walls werecaving in on me and it was hard
to overcome that kind ofclaustrophobic feeling.
Um, that took me a little bit,to be completely honest, uh.
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But once I was able to overcomethat and and having the trust
and the confidence to swingfreely, I found the simulator is
every bit as accurate as as thereal golf course.
The only condition the onlyclub that has that I've had
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trouble getting the simulator toaccurately read is my brand new
69-degree wedge, because theloft on that club is insane.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Going into the sun with that one.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And it's just not.
You know it's having a hardtime unless I move the ball
right to the very forward edgeof where the launch monitor can
pick it up.
It's having a hard timeregistering that interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So, uh, after we got done with tpc sawgrass today, um
, garrett's in there giving agolf lesson to one of our
partners and it was awesome andI was like, oh, that's great,
you know.
So we go in there and we'retalking for a minute and I was
like, hold on a second, garrett.
You got to see this.
I'm going to set up a differenthole.
So I set up an island green forgarrett on the driving range.
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We elevated the t and we bumpedit back to an in-between
yardage for the driver.
So garrett's pumping it veryfirst hole.
He like pipes it down themiddle like two 60.
I'm like, oh, cool, who's this?
10 handicapper?
Wait what?
So we're like, you know?
So I have Chris hit first right, one of our partners, and he
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bombs it over the back of thegreen.
I'm like, oh, this is perfect,let's see what Garrett does,
because full send, he's awesomeand it was not as easy as it
looked.
So tell me a little bit abouthow that could maybe help you
hone in and what you're thinkingon it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, I think, giving you the ability to, you know,
adjust your distances, adjustyour shots, and just having
having the flexibility to toreally see what kind of you know
what kind of shots you're goingto see out there on the course,
but with the ease and you know,accessibility, with just
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hitting, um, you know, multipleshots, uh it, like this island
green setup it was, you knowabout 250 and that's whole 17,
right, yeah, it was, yeah, itwas kind of a whole 17 island
green but 250 out there and itwas certainly an awkward
distance, uh, for me, you know,mentally I just want to send it
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when I've got my driver in hand.
At that, at that distance, um,but being able to have the
flexibility with um, you know,with this technology obviously
you can, um, you can reallycreate different shots and set
up different scenarios foryourself.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
That creating an island green at 250 is just
cruel pretty, pretty awesome.
Yeah, it is because I meanthose, those of us who, like me,
when I pound my driver, mycarry is in the 250s, maybe up
to 270 if I crank out and reallygood if I really connect.
But that translates out to a290 drive by the time it rolls
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out on a fairway and then islandgreen.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You're screwed, yeah, but here's the nice thing about
it.
Okay, garrett, did you lose asingle golf ball today?
I did not no baby.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
We saved him money and he was still able to hit
into the water if he wanted to.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
100 it was awesome 100, absolutely a 250, a golf
ball, that?
Yeah, it's painful when you'reout on a course like that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The balls you're playing mine are probably more
like $6 a golf ball $6.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
What are you hitting?
Five or six, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
TaylorMade TP5.
What else Gold-plated?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
100%.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't know, I'm on staff so I don't.
Sure, there's an allotment,I'll give you a ball.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
All right, I need a couple, a couple of them.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm going to need more than a couple.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
We're excited that the weather's going to be
cooperating over the next coupleof months to get out and have
some nice outdoor golf weathertoo.
But now is the time to justgrind on the simulator and hone
those skills.
We'll get out there and provethat the simulators have made
you a better golfer, becauseit's true.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Well, I'm excited to get out on the golf course.
Um, got some pro-ams coming upand I'm just looking forward to
using the simulator for that too, because a couple of courses on
the pro-ams are on oursimulators.
So play it a little bit, getsome legs up on the competition.
As far as carry numbers, I cancut corners where there's out of
bounds to see how far itactually is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like I'm super excited my son told me to remind
you that you got a caddy forhim.
Oh man dude.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I can't wait as long as he doesn't put any rocks in
his bag no rocks, no rocks.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'll make sure that push cart maybe.
Maybe there's a power cart or acourse light in the back, the
silver bullet in the back thatwould.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That would be a great thing to do with a junior
golfer right.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, probably, probably, won't be doing that
one.
That was definitely frownedupon, but, uh, like rear heads
up.
Maybe barbecue after there wego again.
That's awesome.
Well, no other other than that.
I mean, I think a lot of thingsthat people are needing to look
at a little bit more is thatshort game work, you know so,
the simulators are great.
But using the putting green,using the chipping green, all
that stuff, bunkers now ready togo, and we got real grass out
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there, you know.
So just what I was getting atwas like we're gonna start
getting people on the coursestarting in april.
So fridays we're gonna do playdays, getting people out there.
I think that's a huge benefitin trying to create this
community that feels like hometo everybody.
Get the kids out, get theobviously you know we've got the
men out here for this, butgetting couples league started
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up that's a huge opportunity.
I don't think there's enoughpeople doing stuff for ladies
golf right now, I think you know, kind of changing, changing
that up a little bit.
You know, um, I think there'san intimidation factor, um, it's
always kind of been agentleman's game, um, you know,
and I think the the vendors aredoing a better job of creating
that environment to have ladiesequipment and showing them that
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this is a sport for them too.
But, man, there's a lot ofworking ladies out there that
want to get better at golf.
It helps with business, justlike going out with their
husbands and, let's face it, atsome point we're all going to
retire and we're going to bewith our wives, like we need to
be with them at the best placesin the world.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That was a golf course, oh dude.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Imagine Dominican on the ocean 14 holes with water,
Like that's better than a beachwith a prime rib dinner waiting
for you when you get all done,dude little little bottle of
water.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, exactly, get your cardio in.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You're good, absolutely it's like band and
like you guys have beenabandoned right, yep, I've been.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I've never played we're gonna go, that's, that's
my, that's my goal this thissummer is to get out to go play
bandit on gs pro first, and thenwe'll go play bandit okay well,
one of my best experienceswasn't playing bandon, it was
bringing my wife to bandon.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It was the first time she'd ever been, because she
always talked about how you gowith the boys and I was like,
yeah, we do.
I didn't know you wanted to goand we.
We went in, we got arefreshment, we came out and
there was a fire going at twoo'clock pm and there's glass up,
so the wind wasn't hitting youand we stayed there until sunset
, basically overlooking theocean and the golf course it was
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like.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It was like heaven on earth.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
You can't beat that yeah, it's an experience, you
know we we a guy who I met hereat the golf garage, um over the
summer, who's a caddy in courtlane, idaho, and also in um palm
springs, uh met us in SantaBarbara, california, and played
around with us over at SandpiperGolf Club and just that kind of
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experience hanging out withpeople even if you don't know
them well.
The bond you create, therelationships you build during
that type of experience, andjust being able to sit down
afterwards and have a couple ofdrinks enjoying the beautiful
Southern California sunsets overthe ocean is priceless, corey
that's who it was Corey Marino.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, absolutely, corey's a peach Great guy, good
player, just funny.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Just a funny dude.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know, I was just thinking about when you said
about how golf creates theseexperiences, and I always think
about golf.
You know, business is on thegolf course and businesses done
in the golf garage.
I was like I think I figuredout how to fix, you know, the
employee problem.
Every employee you have, youinterview them on the golf
course while they're playing.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You'll know who they are.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh yeah, game on right.
Three holes in.
You're going to know if you'regoing to hire them or not, and
you know what it's so much.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
it's so great to be down here at the Golf Garage and
seeing the CEO of the localChamber of Commerce, to see all
these business owners out heredoing business together and
working together and networking,seeing high-ranking officials
with your local policedepartment and fire departments
(25:18):
out here all networking together.
It's this is a place to be, toget connected, to get to know
people on a level that you'llnever get to know them if you
walk into their office, in theirworkplace.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And I think that's you know, Imean Garrett first time in.
I think that's really theculture we're trying to create,
right?
I I've been writing all thesenotes down and I'm like what is
culture?
I'm like it's family.
Well, like what does familyequal?
Family equals the feeling ofhome, like like golf garage is
home, right.
So like that's what I'm tryingto figure out.
I'm like what is this business?
We've been open for eightmonths.
(25:49):
What are we going to be?
How do we better?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
and then, I think you've achieved that with
everybody who comes here on aregular basis yeah it's now
getting the rest of the world toknow about it yeah, and then
eventually expanding, makinggolf garages all over yeah,
absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean just to just to add to that.
I think golf is very it's avery obviously social, but can
be a very intimate experiencewhere you you really do make
really deep, uh you knowfriendships and it to your point
.
It does, um, you know, whenyou're looking at a potential
employee, or you know, uh, itunveils characteristics of of
(26:31):
someone, it unveils character,good or bad, you know.
It really does, um, it takesthe veil off of that.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Golf has always had that reputation and that
standard of being a game ofintegrity, right totally.
And the golf garage not only it, it, it embraces that integrity
, so much so to the point itgives members 24 7 access,
unsupervised, to the facilityit's like oh, you're a golfer,
(27:02):
you must have integrity.
We're going to give you a keyto the building when we're not
here to come in and play andhaving that there's a camera
system in place.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, there is that you know I may look at it a
little bit when I see somebodycoming at two in the morning I
get a little there is that.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But as a member, as somebody who's like, oh you know
, I'm not going to come in hereat two o'clock in the morning
when nobody's here and play golf.
I'm just not that.
I'm not that guy.
The fact that they're givingthat amount of trust to the
members um speaks a lot andshows that they truly stand
behind the game of golf andeverything that it means.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, without question.
I mean, I think you know thedream of any golfer is you know
when you have the itch you needto be able to scratch it Right.
So, like I've seen so manygolfers at, I've worked at a
couple of high end- that's whythis is a man's sport.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Exactly High end privates where so they get done
with member guests, they getdone with a tournament, or
they're just before that andthey're grinding and they're
just so unhappy about one shot.
They hit and it's dark or or theweather changed or storming or
whatever, and they just theycan't go do that.
And we all know that after around of golf is the best time
(28:24):
to practice right.
It's not before, before you'rewarming up to see what you got
right.
When you go play the, you knowwhat you got and you're
frustrated or you're happier,You're so, so right.
And then after you have todecide what you're going to go
work on.
And if you have five minuteswhen you're done, that's the
best practice you can ever have,because you're so hyper-focused
on what you did on the coursethat you can actually create a
(28:48):
change really quickly afteryou're done, Whereas the average
golfer says I'm just going togo hit balls until I'm ready to
go play golf whereas the averagegolfer says I'm just going to
go hit balls until I'm ready togo play golf and then come back
tomorrow and help facilitatethat muscle memory yeah, yeah,
without question.
It's like that doesn't happenvery often either, right they?
They come in after the roundand they do it once, and so most
(29:08):
golfers don't know how topractice, which is why we offer
practice programs within golfgarage, because it's really not
that hard of a game, but we makeit a hard game based on what
we've seen I disagree.
It's the hardest game on earthwell, it's the hardest game on
earth.
It's still not that hard it canbe easier.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Is what you're saying ?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
yes, maybe it can be, it can be made a little bit
easier I'm not I'm not buyingthe it's it's not that hard.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Robotic golf balls, we got it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's why you have a non-PGA professional hosting
this podcast with you.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I will tell you firsthand it is that hard.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, but if you played, you know if you did what
I did right.
You start when you're 12 yearsold.
You work at golf courses yourwhole life.
You play in college.
You get some coaching.
You get some coaching.
You get injured.
You learn how to play again.
You change your swing threetimes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You kind of learn mentally how to grind right I
mean so again, at some level wecan all hit a golf ball right
like an 80 year old, where wewanted to go right and I think
that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So now you're putting expectation, which is the
mental game.
So it's today.
I had a fitting.
So this was an awesomeexperience for me Um coming off
being sick, not teaching for acouple of weeks and then coming
in and I get um, a really goodcollegiate golfer from Cal
Lutheran, coming up strugglingwith driver um, worked with her
over the winter for like twoweeks, got her dialed in irons
(30:33):
are awesome Driver good.
So I'm like you know we mightwant to look at a fitting, but
let's try a few things.
Um, within five minutes I gother hitting it 50 yards further.
I've never, ever, had a lessonwhere I've gotten more.
I've got 35 one time, but itwas because I did a fitting.
So it was like new technologymixed with a little swing help.
(30:54):
This was straight swing.
Only she carried it 35 yardsfurther, 50 yards total, and we
went back to back to back andshe was averaging 35 to 40 yards
longer than what she was doingpre and I'm like, wow, that that
is such a cool feeling.
And then she's smiling, she'spumped up she's ready.
Now it's her number one club.
And then right after that I hadanother driver lesson with a
(31:17):
kid on our sou golf team who'sgot an amazing golf swing and he
just got done playing.
He's like, yeah, I just wasstruggling.
I literally look at his hitlocation because foresight lets
us do that and I mean he'smissing it on the toe.
I'm looking at a couple things.
I'm like you know, I know wefit you for that driver a while
back, but you really need togrip down like an inch.
(31:38):
I'm like that's pretty much allI got for you and he does that.
Kids flying at 308, 330, all ofa sudden, dead straight lines.
He can't miss the fairway.
A couple of them were like 280or whatever, but like he's, I
got it on video.
I'm like huh ball speed justjumped up to 175 clubhead speeds
at 119.
I'm like dude's, I got it onvideo.
I'm like huh Ball speed justjumped up to 175 club head
speeds at one 19.
(31:58):
I'm like dude, you could behitting it further than that.
So it's incredible, like whenyou use the technology the right
way and what I was going to getat was where people struggle in
the practice side, that I wasable to stop.
Actually, both of them was was.
It's not like they hit everyshot, perfect, but when we made
an adjustment and I said, okay,you saw that go right now.
(32:20):
Forget about that, because thevisual of that shot isn't
exactly what's going to happenon the next one so you hit this
big push fade, that's fine, butthat was way different than the
ball flight you were previouslyhitting.
So now don't memorize whatyou've been doing, because then
you're just going to adjust towhat you saw, as opposed to
trying to feel what you'retrying to feel.
And if we can get you to feelwhat you want to feel now, you
(32:43):
can pipe it on number 18 atAugusta and it's no big deal.
That's why we wonder why thetour players can do it.
They've recreated the feel oftheir golf swing so many times.
They don't really care what itlooks like.
They don't really care what itlooks like.
They don't care where the ballgoes.
If the coach tells them to dosomething, they're fine with
hitting it high, right and youknow what right okay.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So I have a lot of friends.
I have, I know, a lot of peoplewho are completely petrified,
scared, stiffless, of the wholeum.
Fitting experience tell meabout why that's important and
why people shouldn't be afraidto go to their local pro and say
I want to get fitted for clubs.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, so I'm in a top 50 group of coaches that we
meet every year in the nation.
Yes, yeah, and in the country,through Golf Range Association,
we meet in Pinehurst and wediscuss this and one of the
questions that's been on thedocket for quite a while it
wasn't this year, but it waslike when do you fit and when do
(33:41):
you teach, plain and simple.
And so it's super odd.
I mean, there's fitting timeswhere I've literally stopped the
fit and I'm like you needlessons, you know, and I'm like
don't spend money on that rightnow, we can work with the clubs
you have.
And then there's times where myfitting experience is three
days and they're not consecutivedays either, because they don't
(34:04):
know how to hit balls, they'retired.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Or lessons won't help you until you have clubs that
are fit for you.
That was the next one right.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
The next one is I.
A lot of times, especially ifit's someone I'm going to see,
the club becomes a training aid,right?
So if somebody's mishit is left, right and they're super
upright and the in the heelsdigging and it's closing down
the club, right, I could fixthat in two seconds by
flattening it out or shorteningthe club.
(34:31):
So there's, there's ways to dothings, and so what happens that
I love about our coaches andour fitters is that we're
finding out what that studentwants first.
Right, it's an interview.
It's like hey, what's the shotI can help you with today?
What's the thing you don't wantto see?
Are you looking for distance?
Like everyone, most people arenever going to say no to
distance, but I have had a fewthat are like I just don't want
(34:52):
to see you go left, like, oh,okay, well, that's pretty easy
or right, yeah, a hundredpercent.
And so there is a time and aplace where, because our coaches
are, are also fitters and viceversa.
It may be, as long as they'renot working with another coach,
we find out what they're workingon.
We try to reiterate that, justso it's.
It's a, it's a win for them andwe don't want to confuse them.
(35:13):
But it might be a small ballposition change.
It might be a small adjustment.
It depends on the caliber ofgolfer and what they came in for
.
But we're always asking aheadof time if there's any
modifications that need to bemade and usually it's a yes.
But man, in two seconds, withthe technology now, I mean,
cobra's got like 30 differentoptions on their hosel now to
make adjustments to lie angleand loft.
(35:37):
We're having to educateourselves constantly on what
shafts are out there, what theshaft profile is.
It doesn't mean that's what'sgoing to change the ball flight,
because shaft is playerpreference, it's how they feel.
The club right, the things wehave control over, is loft right
, we can adjust loft and byadjusting loft that can actually
(35:58):
add spin to the ball ordecrease it.
It doesn't mean it's going tomake it launch higher.
People get confused with launchand spin.
They think, hey, if I adjust itto a 12 degree height, I'm
going to launch it higher.
Well, yeah, I mean you could,but if you deliver the club down
and different, it's still goingto launch low.
Just you need that additionalspin to keep the ball in the air
(36:18):
to get you maximum distance.
So there's tour players outthere that play 12 degree
drivers right and they hit them300 yards right.
Most of them play nine eight sowhat happens is, if you play a
less lofted driver and you canfind the center of the face
right, you're going to hit theball farther right because
there's more power going to thegolf ball in less spin right in
(36:39):
the right direction versus up inthe sky but the other thing is
you have deflection on that club.
So without with you have lessloft, there's potential for it
to deflect off the facedifferently.
So the higher the swing speed,you know, you look at that old
hallway that used to draw and itgot narrower and narrower and
narrower and you're looking downlike the train track theory
right, well, it's the oppositetheory or the opposite spray.
(37:00):
If you're looking down like thetrain track theory right, well,
it's the opposite theory or theopposite spray.
If you're the golfer, you'restaring at the narrow, you're
standing at the narrow sidelooking at a bigger spray.
So if you have 120 mile an hourclub head speed versus 100 mile
an hour club head speed and youmiss it one degree offline,
dude that ball is in anotherdude.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
That ball could be in another fairway.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, and you have a little bit of an open face with
it.
You're done.
So.
The technology behind thefitting is what allows the
fitting to be successful.
We can actually see at impactwhat the lie angle of the club
is and it tells us right away.
Oh cool, that person needs twodegrees upright.
It's like cheating.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's not hard.
Let's bring this home to theaverage person listening to this
podcast who is a weekend golferon municipal or country club
courses.
When they go down to a localsporting goods store and buy a
set of clubs off the rack, thoseclubs are designed for an
(38:00):
average.
Obviously they make them thatway.
What is that average?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
yeah, so there's no standard anymore.
Um, I don't even carry clubs onthe rack, um, because every
golfer is different and andhere's the here's the easiest
way to think about it I'm fivefoot seven and a half.
I'll give myself that half mylength, based on standard, is
one quarter inch short.
I play a quarter inch short ofstandard and I play one degree
(38:28):
flat, which is almost twodegrees flat.
That's, that's my line goal.
That's how I deliver the club.
I have a friend who's six footseven.
He is one foot taller than me.
His clubs are a quarter inchlonger than mine only in his
standard, and his lie angle isstandard, his putter is shorter
than my putter and he's six footseven, so arm hang based on
(38:50):
that forward bend length of armsright.
All of these things create thefitting experience, and then how
you deliver the ball at impactmatters.
So one of the things that Iactually can pride myself on is
I can fit you in about 20minutes.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I actually normally can fit you in five.
You fit me for my putter andnow I hit.
Honestly, I hit my putterbetter than I've ever hit, ever
because this club was fit for me.
I do, being 6'3" I still chokeup on that putter a little bit
sure, and some of the thingsbecause I want to get over the
(39:28):
ball.
I want to get my eyes over thetop of the ball and in order to
do that and have the putter liewhere I'm comfortable and where
my natural position would be, Ihave to choke up just a little
bit and that works for me, eventhough I'm six foot three and
I'm going.
This is a standard lengthputter.
It's got to be built for theaverage person.
(39:50):
At what?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
5, 10 yeah, well, look at what, michelle, we used
to do.
She literally used to bend,touching her toes right, almost.
I mean she was 90 degrees bentfrom her hip and her back was to
the sky, and that's how sheputted.
So who's to say that's wrong ifshe's making everything she
looks at?
But her putter is not going tobe 35 inches at that point.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So I think player preference has a lot to do with
it, and so we treat everyonedifferent in the fitting
experience.
That's why you need to go toyour professional and you need
to ask questions too, and I'vealways said this this is really
important.
Any golfer out there listeningaround the country, you go into
a store you don't necessarilyknow who's fitting you and you
(40:31):
go in for an experience so like,let's say, you go, you know, to
dick sporting goods.
They have good fitters there.
But if you don't get someonethat's been fitting a long time,
you need to ask questions likewhy am I getting fit into this
club?
If they can't answer thatquestion, they shouldn't be
fitting you.
Like what's the differencebetween this head and this head.
Even if they blow smoke, atleast they're answering the
(40:52):
question.
Most people that don't have ananswer are going to not lie to
you and they're going to tellyou.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
And don't swipe that card for $1,700 on something
that they can't give you adirect answer yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
It is an investment and if you get fit incorrectly,
it's going to cost you a lotmore later, because most of the
time we cannot fix a shaft.
That's wrong we have to send itin.
That's expensive and it takestime and you don't have your
clubs for a couple of weeksbecause we're not going to
reshaft it ourselves, we'regoing to send it to the vendor,
because then it's guaranteed foryou.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So go to someone that you know you can trust.
We guarantee our fits at GolfGarage.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, I just know, with my wedges, when I'm not
doing the full swing and I'vegot a 20-yard chip, I have a
heck of a time with shanking itto the right and I scratch my
head going.
I'm doing everything right, myweight distribution is forward,
(41:48):
my hands are forward, the ballplacement is perfect and I had
one of my teammates go you'retoo far over the ball, you're
hitting with your toe, but I'mlike this is where I'm
comfortable and the club is notfit correctly for me.
(42:12):
So I have to back up my stanceto get the club lie to be
correct, to where I'm nothitting the ground with the toe
and opening up the face andhitting the ball to the right.
And as soon as I back up, it'slike I'm hitting perfectly
straight shots.
But it's not in my comfort zone.
Sure, yeah, yeah it tells me, Ineed to be fit for new wedges.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Honestly, I think I, I think this might be the the.
The next step for me is to getuh, to get probably new
technology, um, and and maybesome, uh, some fittings, because
, noah, to your point, it's,there's that dance between, like
, uh, you know, do you have theright swing, versus do you have
(42:52):
the right setup, and um, I thinkthere's, there is that dance,
there's that balance there.
That can be tricky, but withall the technology, um, you know
that's available, it's.
It makes it much easier toidentify what you know, what
area really needs to beaddressed, whether it is, you
know, more of a swing, um ormore of an equipment setup and
(43:18):
um, you know that can make theworld of difference, obviously.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Like Noah, preached this a couple of weeks back and
it was a tough pill for me toswallow, because I'm one of the
YouTube junkies who watches golfvideos all the time.
And you see all these tips andtricks on YouTube and they make
so much sense in your mind,you're like, oh, that's what I'm
missing.
And you go out to the courseand try to apply that and it
(43:42):
destroys you.
And, like Noah keeps saying, ifyou're not able to hit the ball
in the center of the club, faceevery time, nothing else
matters.
Until you can do that, everytraining aid, every tip, every
trick you can see on YouTubedoesn't matter.
And that's why watching allthese YouTube videos is not
(44:06):
working for you and in manycases, making you worse, because
it's overcomplicating things.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
So seek professional help right, that's what we're
here for.
It's there for you.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
And next week I know we're going to talk about a lot
about um golf accessibility,even for um people who have
mobility limitations, evenparaplegic uh people talking
about ways to get them on the onon the golf course.
And I've seen I've seenparaplegics out on the golf
(44:43):
course shooting in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, it's scratch.
It's amazing to watch.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Amazing.
When you can give people theright tools and the right
adaptive equipment to play thegame of golf, it's, it's there.
I mean nothing can stop youfrom being a successful golfer.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Talk about getting fit properly, right, I mean the
equipment.
There is so much fun, um, pgahope program and the education
that we've done there.
Um, and just putting yourselfin a position to try to hit out
of you know, like a David'schair, for instance, or out of
you know, like a David's chair,for instance, or out of um, they
(45:23):
have like a crutch that you putyour your leg in and you have
to feel like you have one legand it hikes your hip up and
you're like what am I doing?
And they're like well, that'swhat you have to feel, that's
what they are dealing with.
And you're like now I have tolearn how to teach, so it's so
cool to be able to understandthat, but I'm I'm really looking
forward to next week.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, so the founder and CEO uh of David's chair, uh,
steve first, will be on theshow with us.
He is, um, he.
He had a good friend of his whobecame uh, mobility uh
restricted, and it was hispassion to create a nonprofit
(46:01):
organization that allowed peoplewith mobility limitations to
achieve anything and everythingthat everybody else can do,
whether it be running on thebeach, playing volleyball,
playing golf on a golf course.
From the chest down can get outon the golf course and shoot in
(46:25):
the 70s, because these chairsallow them to maneuver around
the golf course like a golf cart, but then stand them up into an
upright prone position, grab agolf club and do a full golf
swing.
Yeah, as a paraplegic, it's,it's heartwarming and it's
mind-boggling all at the sametime.
And unless you've seen thisfirsthand which I have is, um,
(46:48):
it's something everybody needsto know about and I know it's.
It's a really big deal to meand it's very important to me to
you know, support, support, hisorganization and all the good
that they do, not just in thegolf industry but to everybody
who has limitations when itcomes to mobility.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Absolutely.
I mean, golf is one of thosesports that you can play till
you're, you know, a hundredyears old, and now it's opening
up all these additional doorsand it gives hope to everybody.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Corey Corey, the caddy who I golfed with in in
Santa Barbara, california, wastelling me that he has a client
who he caddies for, who he hitsevery shot for, but then he
putts oh nice.
He competes in competitions,he's in his late 80s and he gets
(47:42):
out on the golf course andplays 18 holes five days a week
and it gives me goosebumps tothink about the drive and the
passion that so many people havefor this sport and being able
to give them the adaptationsthey need to be successful in
(48:05):
doing so, and not onlysuccessful competitive.
So we look forward to havingSteve first on next week.
Before we let you go, tell meabout your, tell me a story
about your greatest golfexperience.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Oh man, I mean you had mentioned Bandon Dunes.
I think probably the test andthe scenery and the just overall
experience of what Bandon hasto offer, of what Bandon has to
offer, whether it's an averagegolfer to a savvy, experienced
(48:46):
golfer, I would say we talkedabout it, noah, and I talked
about it a little bit.
Pacific Dunes is an absolutechallenge over on the Oregon
coast, with all of the weather,the distance, the different you
know shot shapes that you haveto have, you have to have a lot
(49:10):
in the bag to be able to, to besuccessful there.
But you know, I would, I wouldsay anytime I get over to the
Bandon you know area that to theOregon coast, that's always, um
, you know, just an amazingexperience to to Scotland of.
America, and it really is.
Yeah, I mean, I haven't beenfortunate enough to uh, to go to
(49:32):
.
You know St Andrew's old course, or?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
anything like that.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
But uh, but it really does bring that type of um.
You know the old, you knoworiginal, you know style of the
links to you know the West Coast.
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
That's amazing.
You and I are going to do thatthis summer.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Sounds like a plan.
I think we just need to put iton the calendar and we have to
bring Garrett back with us?
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yes, absolutely, let's do it All right.
Hey Garrett, thanks for beingon with us as usual and talking
up the golf garage man.
We had a blast.
Can't wait for next week.
It was an absolute blast, yeahabsolutely.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Thanks for joining us .
We'll see you next week, guys,take care, thank you.
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