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SPEAKER_02 (00:14):
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Welcome to My Golf Source.
I'm Darren.
I'm Noah.
How you doing?
I'm well, man.
We uh I didn't carry my weightin league last night, but we
still won.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
I was looking at scores last night because you
won last we won the whole lastseason.
Right, and then I was like, howdoes Darren's team doing that
again?
And then I saw you weredefinitely a little more over
par relative to your handicap,but you had a couple of uh
shooters.
Was it Derek shot like fourunder par?
SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
Well, the whole game, I mean, there's four
people per team, and the way wescored it last night was won
that.
And so Derek, I uh Nate justtore it up.
SPEAKER_01 (00:59):
I don't think his handicap's gonna be the same
next week.
It shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
Well, we want it to be, but I don't think it's going
to be.
He must be a good ball strikerand a poor putter because we
don't have to putt.
Well, he's a brand new golfgarage member.
Yeah.
And in the last couple of weeks,he's come in, you know, on a
regular basis and practiced.
Imagine that practice pays off.
Depends how you practice.
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Well, he was doing somethingright because his game just
clicked last night.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
No, it's pretty cool.
And I think last night it feltmore electric.
It felt more like everyone isready to be here, right?
It's that absolutely seasonschanging.
Even today it's you know middayand we had pretty much every
bait full.
So it's cool to see peoplecoming indoors again, and then
they're really gonna experiencehow their game's gonna be way
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better as they get into thesummer months next year.
SPEAKER_02 (01:52):
And then this weekend is going, I I'm assuming
it's gonna be packed becauseit's gonna be pouring rain all
weekend long.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
I don't know.
I'm going to the Ducks game.
You got the invitation.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
I did.
I did, but my wife has ahoneydew list, and now my son
knows the secret, and he's like,What the heck?
SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
Oh, he knows the secret to surviving marriage.
You you stay home and you do thehoneydew list.
Yes.
That's awesome.
Yes.
That's good.
So do you have any travel plansthis winter?
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Man, well, we'll probably head back down to Santa
Barbara sometime around theChristmas, New Year time, but
we're gonna be home throughThanksgiving and playing a lot
of sim golf.
I need to get down there withyou to Santa Barbara.
You do.
We have some business talks togo through down there.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Absolutely.
The weather's so good downthere.
I might have to play a littlegolf too.
SPEAKER_02 (02:36):
Absolutely.
It'll, you know, it'll beDecember, January, and 75
degrees.
Just like golf garage every day.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
Indeed.
Sunny and 75, right?
Yes.
It's like the song.
Perfect.
Well, hey, uh, we have a guesttoday, and our guest is on the
Southern Oregon Universitywomen's golf team.
She is a sophomore this year,and I would consider her most
improved player from last yearon the team.
She's picked up a ton ofdistance.
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Her confidence is high.
Please welcome Maya Oaks fromRedmond, Oregon.
Welcome.
SPEAKER_05 (03:10):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
Yeah, Maya, we're so happy that you joined us today.
And you've been preparing reallyhard for um the entire season,
the offseason, and also justyour work ethic is um one of the
highest on the team for sure, ifnot the highest.
So tell me a little bit aboutyour freshman year and kind of
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confidence and swing.
And you dealt with a lot ofdifferent things you were
working on and into where youare now, and where it's like,
man, we don't even feel like wehave to touch much in the swing,
and you're and you're just outthere shooting in the 70s.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat transformation, how how it
kind of came to fruition.
SPEAKER_05 (03:51):
Yeah, so last year the transition to college golf
was um very different from highschool, you know, longer
yardages, um, different team,new dynamic and stuff.
But it was great to have a teamwhere you know everyone wanted
to practice.
And um my swing wasn't great.
And last fall I just kind of wasdealing with it, and I was like,
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we'll just get through theseason.
Um, and then in the offseason, Iwas able to change my swing a
bit and started getting a lotfurther distance and you know,
compressing the ball a lotbetter.
And so that's definitely helpedwith my scores this season.
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
How much did your equipment or shafts have to do
with you being able to compressthe ball as you say?
SPEAKER_05 (04:36):
A lot, actually.
I, you know, no edit a shaftfitting for me, and it I didn't
realize that my shafts were waytoo heavy than they should have
been, and so that's been a greatimprovement.
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
They were pretty though.
SPEAKER_05 (04:48):
They were pretty, they were pink.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
We like those.
Yeah.
Um, what what brought you toSOU?
SPEAKER_05 (04:56):
Um, just a bunch of things.
Um, it's like three and a halfhours from home, so it's you
know, kind of close, but youknow, far enough.
Um gained some independence andsanity already.
For sure, for sure.
Um, and you know, I came downfor a visit and just clicked
with the team and uh I like thearea, it's beautiful down here,
and then you know, having thegolf garage, you know, having
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being able to have 24-houraccess to that is just amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (05:22):
What do you think the biggest difference is
transitioning from high schoolgolf into college?
SPEAKER_05 (05:27):
Um, I think just like the seriousness, like it's
a lot more serious, and youknow, you want you have to want
to practice to play in college.
In high school, you can get awaywith just you know doing
whatever, but in college funsocial activity.
Yeah, exactly.
In college, it's a lot moreserious.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Good.
Yeah, I think during yourrecruiting visit, I I remember
it, and I just I remember howwell spoken you were and how
driven you were to want to playin college.
Oddly enough, from what you say,that high school is a lot more
fun and then you have to gainit.
And like everything that youdid, even in in your academics,
seemed like it was top-notch.
You know, you're always gettingA's and everything.
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It seemed like you were like, Iknow what I want from this.
And um, oddly enough enough,sometimes you come across as
reserved, but when you get toknow you, it's like, oh man,
here's this girl that knowsexactly what she wants, and
she's not afraid to go work forit, which is exactly what our
team needs.
So she leads by exampledefinitely in her practice.
Um, and it's just inspiring tosee how solid the ball is coming
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off the face right now and justexplosive.
You're not that tall, but you'resuper strong, but you were
losing so much speed becauseyour shafts were too heavy and
you didn't know where the clubwas.
And it's not that they're tooheavy because you're strong,
it's that you just couldn't feelwhere that club was.
And now you got something thatfits your swing type better, and
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all of a sudden you can use theexplosiveness and you're not
afraid of where the ball's gonnago because you know when you
look up, it's gonna be somewherein your vision and it's gonna
build your confidence for sure.
SPEAKER_05 (07:01):
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
What do you feel like was your biggest confidence
booster for your freshman year?
SPEAKER_05 (07:08):
Um, definitely changing the swing and you know,
finding my groove and you know,this new life of you know living
away from home and then, youknow, finally being able to hit
the ball good, like that justhelps so much more.
And then, you know, with themental aspect of it of knowing,
like, okay, well, I can hit thisshot good and I can hit this
well, and then watching thathappen, it really helps with my
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confidence.
SPEAKER_02 (07:30):
What do you think your big your biggest goals are
over the next no, once you getthrough your sophomore year for
your junior and senior?
SPEAKER_05 (07:37):
Uh, to just keep getting better.
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
Oh, yeah, I love that.
And we go over goals a lot.
So for her to say keep gettingbetter, she's probably got a
list to find out on what itmeans to keep getting better and
hopefully a timeline, right?
We talk about that a lot ofsmart goals and ultimately um
one percent at a time, right?
So just continuing to get betterevery day.
What are you studying?
SPEAKER_05 (08:01):
Uh communications.
SPEAKER_01 (08:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (08:03):
That's what I studied.
Nice.
And look at you now.
Well, you know, jokingly, wecall it the non-degree degree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
How many languages can you speak with
communications?
Um sign language.
One, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:18):
I I know a couple of sign language signs um that are
not appropriate.
Umpiring, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, strike one, strike two.
But that's about it.
That's about it, you know.
I don't know.
There, there's communications isuh is a tough one.
You learn about all forms of ofmedia.
The one the program I was in wasvery heavily focused on um
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broadcast journalism.
SPEAKER_05 (08:42):
Nice.
SPEAKER_02 (08:43):
Yeah, it's so cool.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
Uh so we have a tournament coming up in Arizona,
and we just pulled Maya off thefloor basically to interrupt
your practice.
So tell me a little bit aboutwhat you're practicing for.
Um, you've played the golfcourse, right?
Varato.
You haven't played Varato yet,have you?
SPEAKER_05 (09:01):
Nope.
SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Oh man, what was I thinking?
So, first time down, have youplayed desert golf?
SPEAKER_05 (09:07):
Uh a little bit.
A little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
Okay, so target golf.
Um, what do you think your umyour game needs to look like, or
what do you think you're tryingto accomplish this week in
preparation for you?
So you have that confidence.
SPEAKER_05 (09:22):
Yeah, I'm working a lot on hitting greens and
especially hitting greens fromlike 150, 170-ish.
That's what I was just workingon in the sim, actually.
Um, and then you know, makingsure my putting's still good,
because if I can hit greens,then I can putt.
SPEAKER_01 (09:38):
Yeah.
Well, we've we've talked a lotabout that the last week on the
bus ride home from Idaho.
We brought up some some greensregulation.
Um, and yesterday, our nineholes was really about that
exact thing.
So, how many greens did you hityesterday?
SPEAKER_05 (09:55):
Uh, I did not play well yesterday.
I only had one.
SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
One.
That's okay.
That's okay.
You know, I looked at the greensand reg, and the inside nine at
the country club is demandingwith small greens.
SPEAKER_05 (10:07):
It's hard, it's a hard course.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Yeah, and so I think ultimately it's not about um how
many greens you hit, it's aboutcan you scramble when you're not
hitting it good, right?
Or are you leaving it in theright spots?
And so I think those are the bigthings that we try to take away.
And so ultimately, if you're nothitting greens in regulation
like you were yesterday, thefact that you're working on that
exact thing today is huge in thematurity that you have and
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understanding of your golf game,not just because I'm saying that
we need to go hit more greens inregulation.
So the fact that you havedifferent yardages that you want
to, um, ultimately, um, youknow, when we look at golf
courses too, especially down inArizona, if you haven't played
it, you know, looking at thecourse map, um, getting on
Google Earth, playing it in thesim if it if we have it, Varato,
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right?
Don't have it, but that's okay.
It's probably coming soon.
Um, and then and then talking toyour teammates who have played
it because it is a course weplayed last year.
Um, Kira won the tournament lastyear.
She'd be a good resource foryou.
And and it is like all aboutfeeling comfortable in a place
you've never been.
Yeah.
So it's gonna be a really goodtime.
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You're gonna play great downthere.
The course sets up perfect foryour fall-off cut.
It's gonna be it's gonna begood.
But like you said, the puttingside of it is big.
And I would just say that thatwas the one thing earlier in the
season that you were stillshooting the 70s with a bunch of
putts, yeah, and you know, youcan't putt and chip enough in
this game.
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So just to keep that going.
Yeah, what are you working on inputting right now?
SPEAKER_05 (11:38):
Um, just uh like distance control and you know,
making my lag putts closer soit's easier to tap in.
SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
That's so hard because every course you go to,
the grains are so different.
SPEAKER_01 (11:50):
Yeah, I think one of the things we we talked about in
um our last practice.
I don't think I had the ladiesdoing this, but at the end the
men had to they were timed 60seconds and they had to hit as
many putts as they could in thehole.
And I gave them basically if youdon't hit 10, you gotta go do a
one-minute plank or something.
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Just whatever.
It was just kind of to make himplay for something.
And then um, sometimes we we dopositive reward base too.
Um, but at the end, I said, Iswitched it up with three
seconds to go and said if youmiss this putt, you have to do a
one-minute plank.
Nobody missed it, but only oneperson didn't succeed in the
goal.
So I went over and planked withthem and just talked to him for
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a little bit.
And then the other ones, youknow, it's interesting because
we talked a lot about thepercentage of make rate on tour
and and what we want you tofocus on, which is why you're
working on lagging it inside ofsix feet essentially, is because
the make rate is higher.
Um, but what we did at the endthat I gave to the men was uh
two to three foot putt, and youpick the most minute spot.
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It could be a grain of grassthat you want the ball to roll
over and you have to visualizethe speed it goes in prior.
You have to have that made up inyour mind, the picture, and
where on the hole does it goover and at what speed?
It has to be perfect, right?
So once you've made up yourmind, you hit the putt.
And if you miss that visual thatyou had in your head on how it
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enters the hole by just a littlebit of speed or just even a
fraction off, you reput thatputt.
unknown (13:26):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
So even if you make it, even if you make it, so you
do it until you pull off theshot.
Could take you 20 putts, butwhat happens is your focus is
narrowed so much that youprobably made all 10 or 15 of
those putts until you got it.
And so you're buildingconfidence even though you don't
know it, because you'repreparing pre preparing the
right way now.
That is smart advice.
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So then after they pull the puttoff, then they have to go to a
different spot.
SPEAKER_02 (13:53):
It's not about just making the putting going, oh, I
got lucky on that one.
It's about doing it withintention.
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Yes.
You made it the way you intendedto make it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Yeah.
And that doesn't happen veryoften, but the more you practice
with intent, right?
Coach Matt talks about workingout with intent a lot and just
continuing to do things, andthat's that 1% gain.
All of a sudden now you're good.
And that's how when we startwith putting that way, then the
next thing is chipping, and thenext thing is full swing.
And if you can have intent tothat extreme, knowing and seeing
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the picture in your head of whatyou want to do, when you do pull
it off, which is probably oneout of 10 rounds of golf, right?
You're like, whoa.
Sounds a whole lot like op 36.
It's a lot like op 36.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
It's just, you know, one of those things.
So, do you what are what areyour career goals after after
college?
Is it in the golf industry or doyou have something else in mind?
SPEAKER_05 (14:40):
I have no idea.
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
Says everybody who studies communications in
college.
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
Yeah, no, I have no idea what the fact is, she could
just smile and she'll get a job.
It's perfect, right?
She's got a great smile, she'sgot a great personality, she'd
be a hard worker for anybody.
So, well, that's awesome.
Uh, what would you share?
Last little thing for you, whatwould you share with any junior
girl golfer about maybesomething that you would have
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done differently um and how youprepared to get better when you
were growing up?
SPEAKER_05 (15:16):
Um, I would have played earlier and practiced a
lot more um in the off season, Ithink, and just like just keep
practicing, even if you startedlater, because I mean I didn't
start till I was 13 and I wascompeting with the girls who'd
been playing since they were,you know, six.
Yeah.
And eventually I caught up tothem, but it took a lot of work,
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and so just keep working andkeep practicing.
SPEAKER_02 (15:39):
So you're out on the road a lot traveling to golf
tournaments and stuff.
Where's your go-to place to eat?
SPEAKER_05 (15:45):
Ooh.
SPEAKER_02 (15:46):
That one came out of left field, but well, it
depends.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Are we coming back from uh Idaho?
Because if we're doing that, wegot pizza, and then your parents
brought us pizza, and then andthen we go to Chicka Chipotle,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (15:57):
Yeah, we always go to Chipotle.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Okay.
That's a popular one.
What about mob pizza?
SPEAKER_04 (16:01):
Mod pizza's good too.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
You guys always like that.
SPEAKER_04 (16:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:04):
And then we try to eat well.
I mean, when we're on the road,we usually go to a sit-down
place if we can.
SPEAKER_05 (16:09):
Yeah, I love the old spaghetti factory.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (16:12):
So that was good.
SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
We usually give a couple options.
Hey, what style of food do youwant?
And we usually ask the girlsbecause at least they'll tell
us.
Guys are like, we don't care.
We'll eat off the side of theroad.
Whatever.
The guys just want to eatwherever the girls are eating.
That's I don't need to know anyof that.
Oh, come on, man.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that's that's awesomeadvice.
Um, and the only other thingthat brought up for me was you
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know, you're in central Oregon.
There's times where there'ssnow, there's times where it's
negative degree outside, right?
So, how would you have practicedin the winter time knowing what
you know now?
SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
Um, I would have wished there was a golf garage.
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
I'd love that.
That was not a softball either.
Did you hold that sign up, Toby,in the background?
Yeah, golf garage.
So, but isn't it cool?
When we were in um Idaho, we gotthere before the sun came out.
And we were one of the onlyteams where everyone was warming
up inside the clubhousestretching and dynamic movement,
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right?
So you were actually ready tohit driver when you went out on
the range before you had evenwarmed up.
Yeah.
So the fact that we're preparingdifferently than we did a year
ago, two years ago, three yearsago, right?
This is the four fourth year inthis program.
That is the thing that makes mesmile about this program is you
guys are just developing so muchfaster than others.
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And it'll catch up, just likeyou said, when you were first
starting and you wish you wouldhave started earlier, all of a
sudden you worked harder andthen you caught up.
Yeah.
We're working harder andsmarter.
We're gonna catch up.
And we're in the top 50, Ithink, in the country as of this
week.
I think so, yeah.
That's awesome.
So good for us.
Congrats to you.
And uh Kira, I don't know if yousaw this, but she is, I think,
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51st in the world amateur golfrankings.
Oh, wow individually this week.
Awesome.
So, you know, we're doing great,a lot of big things to come, and
just last year we weren't eventhere.
So look at it.
SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Excited.
Good things happening at SOU.
Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER_05 (18:12):
Yes, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
All right, and since the next guest is my son, I'll
let you do the introduction.
That sounds good.
SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
All right, well, your son, Toby Penquite.
I don't know where to start withthis kid.
Um, started with us in someyouth programs uh a few years
back, and uh gotten theopportunity to work with Toby
weekly, and we have started todevelop a game plan, and there's
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a lot to talk about with hisgame and where it's been and
where it's going.
But I will say that not only isToby um a golfer that loves the
game, um, his work ethic at thispoint is second to none.
And he's starting to understandhow to become a better golfer
faster.
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And one thing I said to him lastweek that I'll kind of start
with is we're not working on thebig things anymore.
We're working on the littlethings because your golf swing's
looking really good.
So I think we're kind of at apoint now with Toby to where you
know it's a lot more fun tocoach, and we're not trying to
make these ups and downs inemotion anymore because of what
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we're gonna do.
Absolutely not, and there's alot to talk about, it's about
speed and power.
So, Toby, welcome to the show,buddy.
Welcome, Toby.
SPEAKER_00 (19:32):
Yeah, thanks for having me here.
SPEAKER_01 (19:34):
So I think some of this that we want to talk about
with you is um and with Darrenis kind of parent, child, their
roles.
I want to talk about some rolestoday, but before we do, uh tell
me about how you got startedwith golf and what you love most
about golf.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
So actually, my grandpa from Santa Barbara
actually got me into golf.
And I just been playing this forfor a few years, and I started
to really like it.
And when my dad got his firstset, I was like, oh, I want to
get a golf set soon.
So I got my first set at six andI've been taking a little bit of
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some lessons just swingingaround, just figuring out.
And at the age of seven, I tooksome golf lessons with other
juniors and playing like manyscrambled tournaments.
And at around seven, I didbaseball for a few months.
Then after I didn't likebaseball much, and like all
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right, I just went back to golfand I've been playing golf since
ever since.
SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
That's awesome.
So, what's your favorite thingabout golf in the game?
SPEAKER_00 (20:39):
Um just making new friends.
It's like it could really workon relationships with others
when you play with other kids.
And also adults, and it's I justfeel like it's great to make new
friends and just talk trash toeach other and just make fun.
SPEAKER_01 (20:56):
I was gonna say, in in relate in relationships you
are making at golf garage, Toby,you you remind me a lot of
myself.
Um, I would play golf withanybody.
I worked at Bear Creek GolfCourse at a young age.
Um, I was 12 when I startedthere.
And I would literally just go upto the T and I would join
anybody and play golf withanybody and didn't really care.
And you would get to know them.
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And you know, here's Toby comingup, practicing in the morning,
and then you see somebody comesin, and about two minutes later,
you're walking over to them andjust watching them hit and
saying hi to them, and nextthing you know, you're having a
competition with them.
So, and and not even that, youknow the technology so well that
you're literally like ourliaison, you know, mascot's not
the right.
SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
Escorting people to their bays and getting them all
set up on the course they wantto play and entering the names
into the system, and yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Oh, well, yeah.
You know, and I think about thistoo, Toby.
We've had quite a few golflessons at this point, and I
don't know if you remember, buta lot of our golf lessons are
less and less about mechanics,more about fundamentals, right?
This last lesson uh withputting, do you remember the one
thing we worked on?
SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
Was it like posture with my shoulder blades going
back?
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Yeah, so posture, right?
And then with chipping, weworked on one to sway, not to
sway, and we had to work on alittle fundamental there.
SPEAKER_00 (22:13):
And then on the full swing, still the same thing, not
to sway and not tilt back what Iused to do.
Yeah, not just fall back everytime and I'm off balance.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Listen to you, man.
You could teach the gamealready.
So the the tilting back was thereason that you were kind of
hanging back and swaying becauseyour body wasn't balanced.
So you're doing all these greatthings, those are all setup
ideas, and because they're setup, you don't have to think
about them in the swing, whichmeans you can still swing at the
speed you want to, except whenyou fall over.
And so we started working onbalance, yeah, balance and
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dialing back the speed becausewhen you were taking it back so
fast, it would pull you over,wouldn't it?
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, what are you looking forwardto this summer with golf
tournaments?
SPEAKER_00 (22:52):
Um just to play some more competitive and just work
on my game and just try to startshooting lower scores on the
course and get outside more.
SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
I'm gonna tell you what he told me the other day.
I asked him a similar questionand he said, winning.
Yeah, just winning.
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
You know what?
I had a really cool professor incollege, marketing adjunct
professor.
All the adjunct professors werethe best professors.
So sitting in his office, I hadmissed some a class because of
golf tournament, and I I had todo some makeup, so I needed to
kind of find out what I neededto get done for him.
And it was just a fun class, itwas a marketing class, and and
he's like, Hey, how'd you dothis week?
I said, You know, I did allright.
(23:29):
I I was second, and he's like,you know, are you getting ready
for this week?
And I said, I am.
And um, he's like, Um, you'regonna go win.
I said, Well, we'll we'll see.
And you know, the goal is, andhe's like, Well, if you're gonna
go win, yeah.
Basically, he's like, No, that'snot the attitude.
He's like, You're gonna go win,right?
And I kind of hesitated again.
He's like, You don't ever gointo a tournament trying to
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finish second.
He said, You need to go in andwin.
100%.
And I was like, Why did I notlearn this until college?
Right?
So, Toby, you've learned that.
Let's see here.
That was my senior year.
You learned that about 10 yearsearly, dude.
10 years, nine years at least.
So ultimately, I know that wewant to win, and you need to
learn how to win, and then youneed to learn how to win the
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right way.
Because there are people thatget so mad if they don't win
that they're poor losers, andthere are people that win that
get arrogant and cocky in thewrong manner and treat everyone
else bad.
SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Learn how to stay humble after a big win.
SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Big, big win, right?
Why are you there?
Scotty Scheffler's awesome,right?
SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
Scotty Scheffler doesn't care about the other
even-keeled person on tour, notafraid to talk about his faith.
SPEAKER_01 (24:35):
I think all those things are important.
So when we look at you and whereyou're at right now, you have
the physical ability to win.
You have the technical ability.
Yeah, technical ability,physical ability.
What you're going to um learnthis year is as you play in more
golf tournaments, you're goingto feel more comfortable.
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And as you feel morecomfortable, the win won't
matter to you because you'rejust playing golf.
Yeah.
And then the score adds up tothe win.
So it's that shot by shotmentality, staying in the
present.
Those are the things that arebig as we move forward.
And, you know, I would just saythat the more you can compete
with anybody in golf garage andthen take that out on the golf
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course.
Anything you do as a competitionat this point, even if no one's
here and you're doing it againstyourself, that's huge.
SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
There's been two big things to overcome on the golf
course.
What have those things been?
SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
A struggle, which is my mental game.
SPEAKER_02 (25:35):
The mental game?
That's the biggest one.
What's the second one?
SPEAKER_00 (25:40):
Does attitude count or is that the same?
SPEAKER_02 (25:42):
Well, no, that's the same thing.
Combating fatigue.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Because there's a big difference between playing
18 holes in the simulator andgetting out there and walking
six miles on an 18-hole course.
SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
Oh, without question.
So this is actually a cool thingto dive into because Toby just
started a fitness program andgoing to the physical therapist.
So you started with Coach Mattlast week also, um, right after
our last lesson.
And Coach Matt obviously was onthe show um last week, top, you
know, top fitness golfspecifically in the country,
(26:17):
right?
So, what are the things that youworked on with Coach Matt?
Just a couple.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
There's one with hip hinge.
Okay.
Where I was always likegrounding when I was not moving
my hip back.
And there's one called like deadbug.
SPEAKER_03 (26:30):
Yeah.
What's dead bug?
SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Dead bug's like, you know, you're dead, a dead bug,
you're on your back, and umalternate with like my legs at a
90 degree angle, my hands andarms just up, and I move my left
leg and my heel touches theground, and I move my right arm.
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
Yeah, alternating, alternating back and forth.
Are those hard or easy?
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
Pretty hard.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
And if you keep going, they're really hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The the the SOE team is that'seasier.
SPEAKER_00 (26:58):
As you keep going.
SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
Yep.
So again, the the hip hinge isposture, right?
And so one of the things that wedid was I I let Coach Matt know
what we were working on in theswing.
So that way he put an emphasison your performance program as
well.
And that's what separates us alot is being able to communicate
with amongst coaches and utilizeall of our resources here.
And then eventually, once youcan move well, he'll throw the
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weight on.
unknown (27:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Right.
But we're not throwing weight onuntil you can move well.
And I think that's one of thebiggest keys um in working out
is understanding what yourcapabilities are, where you're
lacking, and where thoseopportunities are, and then how
we can get you to start puttingon some muscle after that.
SPEAKER_02 (27:37):
And it's it's just it's amazing from a parent's
standpoint, watching how farhe's come over the last three or
four years, and he's hungry forit.
There has been zero effort topush him by me or his or his
mom.
And he's just hungry for moreand more and more and more.
And seeing the progress thathe's been made, how far he's hit
(27:59):
in the club now as an eighthgrader, and and and his
eagerness to get better andplaying at a competitive level
now.
I'm I'm super excited to seewhere he goes over the next four
or five years.
SPEAKER_01 (28:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean, that's what ittakes.
Very rarely do you find someonethat has the work ethic of Toby
without having to say you needto do this.
If if you ask him to dosomething, he's gonna do it over
and over again, right?
And I think that's reallyimportant.
And the fact that he already hasthe ability to explain why he's
doing things.
We've even done things wherewe've taken um the technology
(28:36):
away and it's been feel-basedonly.
And he's being he's able to tellus where he's hitting it on the
club face.
I think that's so important at ayoung age to already know where
you're hitting it, how it feelsto hit it.
The miss hit's gonna go acertain distance, and he knows a
lot of that already.
Um, you know, not to it's kindof kind of weird to think this
way, but I did kind of a similardrill with the college team last
(28:57):
week where we were really workedon when you miss hit it, how far
is it going, and getting them tounderstand and the fact that
they don't know, and it'sprimarily because they didn't
they don't have the tools thatwe have at golf garage.
So let's go back home.
SPEAKER_02 (29:09):
Let's talk a little bit about the secrets of of
competitive golf out on thecourse.
Are high school and college kidsallowed to use range finders?
Yeah.
They are.
Yep.
Okay.
No slope in tournament play.
Right, correct.
So in the golf garage, you'revery into know your numbers,
know your numbers.
Know how far you hit each club,know what the what it feels like
(29:31):
to hit a 42-yard versus a45-yard wedge shot.
Um how does that come into playon the course when you watch
these PGA tour players who arenot using range finders?
I mean, yes, I know they'vewalked the course, their caddies
know that course like the backof their hand, but if they hit
(29:52):
these hundred and fifty yardshots based off of feel and drop
it within five feet of the pin,front or back.
That that feel, where does thatcome from without knowing the
actual detailed exact number?
SPEAKER_01 (30:08):
Yeah, it's just repetition.
The thing that you can't controlis the environment around you,
right?
So you don't know when a gust ofwind's gonna come up or any of
that.
But what happens is the thetechnology is is so advanced now
that it has a built-in barometerinside of some of the technology
as far as elevation goes,because if you play at different
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elevation, the ball fliesdifferent.
Oh, I know.
We deal with that on the sim.
100%.
Yep.
You're you're gonna deal withdifferent grasses that's gonna,
you know, interact your club tothe turf differently, and it's
gonna make the ball sitdifferently.
And some players play reallygood on certain grasses and
others don't.
Um, and that's part of what Iwould say is the plan that we
need, the game plan is someonelike Tiger Woods, who's so good
(30:54):
at golf and controlling hisdistances on his approaches,
that's when in 2000 he washitting it the distance every
time pretty much.
Um he has the luxury of choosingwhere and when he wants to play.
So his schedule was verysimilar, which allowed him to
win a lot more because he knewwhat kind of golf courses he was
successful at.
He could win on any golf course,but if you really looked at it,
(31:18):
there were some things withinthose golf courses that made him
um work a little harder.
Well, gave him an advantage overother players because it was the
type of course that um would begood for him.
I mean, look at Augusta.
He was the longest hitter outthere at that time, um, or one
of.
(31:38):
And at Augusta early on, youcould hit it wherever you
wanted.
So for him to have mid irons andshort irons into par fives at
times, and other players arestill hitting a hybrid, he's
going to take advantage of that.
You know, and now they call ittiger-proofing, white, right?
They kept making courses longer.
And so um, I would just say,like going back to someone
(32:00):
that's at Toby's age right now,um, it is more and more about
repetition and creating feel.
So the example I would I wouldgive you is when you have 14
clubs in your bag, you need tobe able to hit 10 with your
pitching wedge at 100, 10 withyour nine iron at 100, 10 with
(32:24):
your eight iron at 100, 10 withright, there was that's like a
legitimate thing.
Why wouldn't you do that to seewhat the ball does and then do
something else to the extent ofwindows, right?
So if we have a bigger spot,yeah.
Yeah, I think it's one of thebest practice drills.
So, Toby, can you tell me aboutthe window drill I gave you
maybe three weeks ago?
SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
Yeah, you gave me this window drill where I have
to hit straight um fades anddraws.
So I go like low draw, mid-draw,like your average high, and then
a high draw.
Same thing with straight, low,average, and high.
The one that I struggle with themost is the fade because I don't
hit that shot shape anymorebecause I'm playing my draw more
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consistently, and some days I'llhit a fade, but not
consistently.
SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
I wish I knew how to do that.
I know.
Well, you can come on in, man,and you got you just gotta go
start practicing.
SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
He just throws dimes with his cuts and fades onto the
green.
When we were doing bar runningwith his his nine irons pitching
line, seven irons or just dimesonto the green.
SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
Hey, so real quick, the the drill that I gave you
with the windows, uh, you did agreat job explaining that.
Um there was a piece to thatthough that I added, and I said,
How many shots does it take youto hit a high draw, right?
A mid draw, low draw, and thenfade.
So you actually said it's harderfor me to hit the fade.
So you knew that because youwrote down how many shots it
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took you, right?
Do you remember kind of thehardest shot of the that nine
piece grid?
SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
It was the fade for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
Which one?
Was it low, mid, or high?
SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
It was uh probably mid to high.
Mid to high.
SPEAKER_01 (34:00):
Do you remember how many shots it took you to get
it?
SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
Um, I have it on my app here.
SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
You have it on your app?
All right, the Coach Now app.
But one of the things as you'relooking that up that I had said
to you was it was the mid-drop,the mid-fade was the hardest.
How many shots did it take?
SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
It took me six shots.
SPEAKER_01 (34:17):
Six.
So it's still pretty good.
So when you when you look atthat, um what what's unique
about it is you hit the nail onthe head when you said, you
know, I'm I'm really just gonnafocus on my shot shape.
So when you get out on tour,sometimes you don't have the
luxury of of having a shotshape, but realistically, or you
know, a choice to have to hit afade or draw.
(34:39):
But realistically, most of thetime you do have a choice that
I'm gonna play a little draw,right?
And it's not like we're tryingto get the ball to draw, you
know, 10 yards.
We're just trying to get it tofall left slightly because
that's the way your body movesmost efficiently, right?
And maybe down the road we lookat the other, but if you have
too many um shots in yourarsenal from left to right,
(35:00):
right to left, all of a suddenit also gets you to start
thinking about, oh, should Iplay this shot or should I play
that shot?
If you know that it's a babydraw every time and you're
really confident with that shotshape, you're gonna play a lot
better golf, not feeling like Ihave to pick from all nine of
those.
SPEAKER_02 (35:17):
If you're a right-handed golfer and your
fairway, your landing zone isgonna be sloping to the left, a
fade, it's gonna be your favorbecause you don't want it to you
don't want to hit a draw andhave the ball going in the
direction of the downhill slopeand roll off of the fairway.
SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
So it just depends on you want to land more into
the grain.
You have to decide, right?
Number one, there's always aplace typically that's a landing
area.
There's not a lot of golfcourses even built into
hillsides that have an extremeslope unless you're not playing
the course the way it wasdesigned.
Right.
So you got to look back at wherethat level landing area is, and
it might mean you got to layback to 150 instead of wedge.
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What about hole 10 at EaglePoint?
There's a lot of level there.
It's back at one all the wayfrom like where you tee off all
the way up to about 130 islevel.
SPEAKER_02 (36:03):
And then past 130 is a hard left-handed slope.
SPEAKER_01 (36:08):
And yeah, left-handed slope for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (36:10):
Where if you're hitting a driver on a par four
and you're gonna pump it outthere 230, 240, 250 yards, you
want it to fade and land intothe hill, right?
SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
Yeah, realistically, I would just as a as a caddy or
trying to get somebody to shootthe best score, I would tell
them not to hit driver there.
I would tell them to lay back tothe level spot.
That's where people get intotrouble because that hole has so
much trouble.
So unless you're trying to drivethe green.
I have done that in tournamentplay there.
And then be an eight iron in orsomething.
I've I've hit five iron andseven iron off that T a bunch um
(36:42):
in the wintertime just becauseit didn't make sense to do
anything else.
And it gave me a really goodchance, and I probably never
made more than par.
Yet we still like to pull BigDog out and try to get that risk
reward.
It's just fun, it's part of thegame.
SPEAKER_02 (36:57):
So Toby is gonna be going into high school next
year, and we're talking about Imean, him being a homeschooled
student, we're talking aboutwho's he gonna play golf for?
What are some things?
I mean, we have a few optionsaround this area for high
schools.
What are some things we need tobe looking at in making that
selection?
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
I would just say the school as a whole is gonna be
the differentiator.
Um, you've got to have um thebalance, right?
Because you're there most of thetime going to school.
Well, and a little bit of aschool.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
I think we did talk about that,but we were looking at some
other options as well.
So never mind that.
(37:36):
I will still have thatconversation, but that's one
other time.
That makes total sense.
Yeah.
So from a golf side of it, um,you can never say it's bad to be
around other competitivegolfers, right?
So I think when you look at itright now, um, I know from a
public school side of things,South Medford High School has a
lot of really solid playerscoming in this next year.
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Um, North Medford's got acouple.
Um, Crater always has a lot ofkids.
Um, then you get into theprivate side of it with St.
Mary's and Cascade, and they'realways gonna have some decent
players.
Um, but then you also have tolook at the coaching side of it,
right?
Right.
In high school golf, just likeat SOU, I'm gonna say this one
thing, and this is what peopledon't think of.
(38:19):
Most we'll go to high schoolfirst.
Most high school golf coachesare typically a teacher, right?
And typically they love thegame, so they're passionate
about that side of it.
But they're also looking more atgetting you to and from the golf
tournaments and making sure thatyou're at the golf course, when
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you have practice, it's oncourse a lot more, or if you're
chipping and putting, that'sfine.
But are they able to really giveyou things that are gonna allow
you to be more successful?
And what I would say is uh mostparents are more educated on
what's out there all over thecountry as to a golf
professional that's gonna helptheir player get better.
(39:02):
So as of right now, Toby has acoach, right?
So I'm working with him weeklyon that side of the game.
I'm bringing in other coachingstaff at times to help you with
certain things, right?
And then if you have a highschool coach, the goal more for
you is probably the ability thatyou get to go play high school
golf and there's tournamentsover someone that's going to
(39:23):
help you do something more thanthat.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (39:25):
Because we all know there's those coaches out there
that are gonna say, I don't carewhat your other don't listen to
your coach anymore.
You're you're my student now,and and they kind of take over
and want to change everythingand mess mess everything up.
So it's important that we find acoach that's going to be you
(39:46):
know in line with you and withyour coaching staff uh to keep
that level of consistencyhonesty and integrity in the
coaching.
SPEAKER_01 (39:57):
I've what I found with a lot of this is that it's
just communication within thatcoach.
So you get the parent and thecoach engaged at the same time
and have a quick meeting aboutit early um before the season or
before you choose what schoolyou want, and that's all it
really takes.
SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
We we were talking to Ryan about this at Bar Run of
which high school I should goto.
Like that you guys also knowsome coaches that could just
help also just be on the samepage of what I'm working on and
what I've already mastered.
SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
Yeah, without question.
Obviously, Coach Matt's a highschool coach, Coach Ryan's a
high school coach, CoachJessica's a high school coach,
right?
So part of working here at GolfGarage is that I encourage them
to coach and they love it.
So it's a it's a win-win for us.
But giving back to the communityat some level is really, really
important.
But you're right, Toby.
I mean, to have a coach that youare that already knows you and
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has a relationship with you isprobably gonna let you do a
little bit more free practice orthe things you need to work on
because your level of play um atthat point might be higher,
right?
But what we're looking at, youknow, is to prove that, right?
So right now, this year, yourgoal is to shoot somewhere
around even par, right?
I think you can do it.
And I think ultimately wherewe're at with it is we talked
(41:13):
about it, move up to thoseforward T's and shoot under par
and then move back one.
I bet you shoot around under paragain.
Yeah.
Because you just need to get itin your head that you can do it.
And so once that happens, um,it's like a coach, why would a
coach ever say no to you ifyou're already shooting under
par, especially if you'reprobably out there able to beat
them on a consistent basis?
Um, and I will give thisfeedback for everyone that's
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listening.
If a coach asks you to dosomething and it doesn't feel
right, ask them why.
And if they say because I saidso, it's probably not a good
reason.
They need to be able todemonstrate it on their own
first and explain exactly whythey're telling you or asking
you to do something in yourgame.
SPEAKER_02 (41:49):
And sometimes that's not the position of the high
school kid to get up in thecoach's face and debate them on
that.
That's something maybe bring aparent or another coach
involved.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
And I would say it's not even about that, it's just
kindly, right?
You're just like, okay, coach,that sounds great.
Can you tell me why this ishappening?
Yeah, exactly.
I think it's it's not so muchabout butting heads, it's just
that it didn't it doesn't makesense to you.
And I don't necessarily,especially if you have a swing
coach already and they'regetting you to work on something
else.
The last thing you want to do ismaybe they're trying to help and
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they give you something else,and now all of a sudden it takes
you three months to get back towhere you were because your
confidence is down and you'vebeen working on the wrong thing
on the range for a while.
Yep, for sure.
All right.
Yeah, that's good stuff, man.
What are we gonna do next week?
Uh well, Don did text me back.
He is still on his cruise.
Uh, he's so he texted me fromthe boat.
So I'm hopeful that Don Law willbe on the show.
(42:40):
Caribbean?
No, I think he's overMediterranean, yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, beautiful.
And then Toby, uh we gotta askyou a couple of questions here,
right?
What are our guests there,Darren?
What do they like?
What's your favorite golf courseyou've ever played?
SPEAKER_00 (42:54):
Um Court Olaine in Idaho.
SPEAKER_02 (42:57):
Oh, that's court allane resorts.
The island green.
Yeah, that island green andhaving to take a little boat out
to it is that's the only thingthat's special about that.
SPEAKER_00 (43:06):
That's the only thing that made me like that
course.
But the second one of liketalking Oregon, it's um running
wide.
SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he got to play running whyway.
I got to play running white atonce.
We've got to make that happen afew more times.
Yeah.
And where's your what's yourfavorite restaurant?
Where's your favorite place toeat?
SPEAKER_00 (43:21):
Does a golf golf course count?
Yeah, sure.
Centennial for sure.
Centennial grill, yeah.
Centennial grill.
It's I always sometimes whenit's afternoon, we always eat
there when our round's over.
SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
All right.
Noah, it's been a pleasure.
Toby, thank you for joining us.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Yeah, Toby, good job, bud.
Big things to come.
SPEAKER_00 (43:39):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
Until next week, take care of the
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast.
Welcome to My Golf Source.
I'm Darren.
I'm Noah.
How you doing?
I'm well, man.
We uh I didn't carry my weightin league last night, but we
still won.
SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
I was looking at scores last night because you
won last we won the whole lastseason.
Right, and then I was like, howdoes Darren's team doing that
again?
And then I saw you weredefinitely a little more over
par relative to your handicap,but you had a couple of uh
shooters.
Was it Derek shot like fourunder par?
SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
Well, the whole game, I mean, there's four
people per team, and the way wescored it last night was won
that.
And so Derek, I uh Nate justtore it up.
SPEAKER_01 (00:59):
I don't think his handicap's gonna be the same
next week.
It shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
Well, we want it to be, but I don't think it's going
to be.
He must be a good ball strikerand a poor putter because we
don't have to putt.
Well, he's a brand new golfgarage member.
Yeah.
And in the last couple of weeks,he's come in, you know, on a
regular basis and practiced.
Imagine that practice pays off.
Depends how you practice.
(01:23):
Well, he was doing somethingright because his game just
clicked last night.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
No, it's pretty cool.
And I think last night it feltmore electric.
It felt more like everyone isready to be here, right?
It's that absolutely seasonschanging.
Even today it's you know middayand we had pretty much every
bait full.
So it's cool to see peoplecoming indoors again, and then
they're really gonna experiencehow their game's gonna be way
(01:49):
better as they get into thesummer months next year.
SPEAKER_02 (01:52):
And then this weekend is going, I I'm assuming
it's gonna be packed becauseit's gonna be pouring rain all
weekend long.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
I don't know.
I'm going to the Ducks game.
You got the invitation.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
I did.
I did, but my wife has ahoneydew list, and now my son
knows the secret, and he's like,What the heck?
SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
Oh, he knows the secret to surviving marriage.
You you stay home and you do thehoneydew list.
Yes.
That's awesome.
Yes.
That's good.
So do you have any travel plansthis winter?
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Man, well, we'll probably head back down to Santa
Barbara sometime around theChristmas, New Year time, but
we're gonna be home throughThanksgiving and playing a lot
of sim golf.
I need to get down there withyou to Santa Barbara.
You do.
We have some business talks togo through down there.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Absolutely.
The weather's so good downthere.
I might have to play a littlegolf too.
SPEAKER_02 (02:36):
Absolutely.
It'll, you know, it'll beDecember, January, and 75
degrees.
Just like golf garage every day.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
Indeed.
Sunny and 75, right?
Yes.
It's like the song.
Perfect.
Well, hey, uh, we have a guesttoday, and our guest is on the
Southern Oregon Universitywomen's golf team.
She is a sophomore this year,and I would consider her most
improved player from last yearon the team.
She's picked up a ton ofdistance.
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Her confidence is high.
Please welcome Maya Oaks fromRedmond, Oregon.
Welcome.
SPEAKER_05 (03:10):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
Yeah, Maya, we're so happy that you joined us today.
And you've been preparing reallyhard for um the entire season,
the offseason, and also justyour work ethic is um one of the
highest on the team for sure, ifnot the highest.
So tell me a little bit aboutyour freshman year and kind of
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confidence and swing.
And you dealt with a lot ofdifferent things you were
working on and into where youare now, and where it's like,
man, we don't even feel like wehave to touch much in the swing,
and you're and you're just outthere shooting in the 70s.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat transformation, how how it
kind of came to fruition.
SPEAKER_05 (03:51):
Yeah, so last year the transition to college golf
was um very different from highschool, you know, longer
yardages, um, different team,new dynamic and stuff.
But it was great to have a teamwhere you know everyone wanted
to practice.
And um my swing wasn't great.
And last fall I just kind of wasdealing with it, and I was like,
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we'll just get through theseason.
Um, and then in the offseason, Iwas able to change my swing a
bit and started getting a lotfurther distance and you know,
compressing the ball a lotbetter.
And so that's definitely helpedwith my scores this season.
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
How much did your equipment or shafts have to do
with you being able to compressthe ball as you say?
SPEAKER_05 (04:36):
A lot, actually.
I, you know, no edit a shaftfitting for me, and it I didn't
realize that my shafts were waytoo heavy than they should have
been, and so that's been a greatimprovement.
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
They were pretty though.
SPEAKER_05 (04:48):
They were pretty, they were pink.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
We like those.
Yeah.
Um, what what brought you toSOU?
SPEAKER_05 (04:56):
Um, just a bunch of things.
Um, it's like three and a halfhours from home, so it's you
know, kind of close, but youknow, far enough.
Um gained some independence andsanity already.
For sure, for sure.
Um, and you know, I came downfor a visit and just clicked
with the team and uh I like thearea, it's beautiful down here,
and then you know, having thegolf garage, you know, having
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being able to have 24-houraccess to that is just amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (05:22):
What do you think the biggest difference is
transitioning from high schoolgolf into college?
SPEAKER_05 (05:27):
Um, I think just like the seriousness, like it's
a lot more serious, and youknow, you want you have to want
to practice to play in college.
In high school, you can get awaywith just you know doing
whatever, but in college funsocial activity.
Yeah, exactly.
In college, it's a lot moreserious.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Good.
Yeah, I think during yourrecruiting visit, I I remember
it, and I just I remember howwell spoken you were and how
driven you were to want to playin college.
Oddly enough, from what you say,that high school is a lot more
fun and then you have to gainit.
And like everything that youdid, even in in your academics,
seemed like it was top-notch.
You know, you're always gettingA's and everything.
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It seemed like you were like, Iknow what I want from this.
And um, oddly enough enough,sometimes you come across as
reserved, but when you get toknow you, it's like, oh man,
here's this girl that knowsexactly what she wants, and
she's not afraid to go work forit, which is exactly what our
team needs.
So she leads by exampledefinitely in her practice.
Um, and it's just inspiring tosee how solid the ball is coming
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off the face right now and justexplosive.
You're not that tall, but you'resuper strong, but you were
losing so much speed becauseyour shafts were too heavy and
you didn't know where the clubwas.
And it's not that they're tooheavy because you're strong,
it's that you just couldn't feelwhere that club was.
And now you got something thatfits your swing type better, and
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all of a sudden you can use theexplosiveness and you're not
afraid of where the ball's gonnago because you know when you
look up, it's gonna be somewherein your vision and it's gonna
build your confidence for sure.
SPEAKER_05 (07:01):
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (07:02):
What do you feel like was your biggest confidence
booster for your freshman year?
SPEAKER_05 (07:08):
Um, definitely changing the swing and you know,
finding my groove and you know,this new life of you know living
away from home and then, youknow, finally being able to hit
the ball good, like that justhelps so much more.
And then, you know, with themental aspect of it of knowing,
like, okay, well, I can hit thisshot good and I can hit this
well, and then watching thathappen, it really helps with my
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confidence.
SPEAKER_02 (07:30):
What do you think your big your biggest goals are
over the next no, once you getthrough your sophomore year for
your junior and senior?
SPEAKER_05 (07:37):
Uh, to just keep getting better.
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
Oh, yeah, I love that.
And we go over goals a lot.
So for her to say keep gettingbetter, she's probably got a
list to find out on what itmeans to keep getting better and
hopefully a timeline, right?
We talk about that a lot ofsmart goals and ultimately um
one percent at a time, right?
So just continuing to get betterevery day.
What are you studying?
SPEAKER_05 (08:01):
Uh communications.
SPEAKER_01 (08:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (08:03):
That's what I studied.
Nice.
And look at you now.
Well, you know, jokingly, wecall it the non-degree degree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
How many languages can you speak with
communications?
Um sign language.
One, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:18):
I I know a couple of sign language signs um that are
not appropriate.
Umpiring, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, strike one, strike two.
But that's about it.
That's about it, you know.
I don't know.
There, there's communications isuh is a tough one.
You learn about all forms of ofmedia.
The one the program I was in wasvery heavily focused on um
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broadcast journalism.
SPEAKER_05 (08:42):
Nice.
SPEAKER_02 (08:43):
Yeah, it's so cool.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
Uh so we have a tournament coming up in Arizona,
and we just pulled Maya off thefloor basically to interrupt
your practice.
So tell me a little bit aboutwhat you're practicing for.
Um, you've played the golfcourse, right?
Varato.
You haven't played Varato yet,have you?
SPEAKER_05 (09:01):
Nope.
SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Oh man, what was I thinking?
So, first time down, have youplayed desert golf?
SPEAKER_05 (09:07):
Uh a little bit.
A little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
Okay, so target golf.
Um, what do you think your umyour game needs to look like, or
what do you think you're tryingto accomplish this week in
preparation for you?
So you have that confidence.
SPEAKER_05 (09:22):
Yeah, I'm working a lot on hitting greens and
especially hitting greens fromlike 150, 170-ish.
That's what I was just workingon in the sim, actually.
Um, and then you know, makingsure my putting's still good,
because if I can hit greens,then I can putt.
SPEAKER_01 (09:38):
Yeah.
Well, we've we've talked a lotabout that the last week on the
bus ride home from Idaho.
We brought up some some greensregulation.
Um, and yesterday, our nineholes was really about that
exact thing.
So, how many greens did you hityesterday?
SPEAKER_05 (09:55):
Uh, I did not play well yesterday.
I only had one.
SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
One.
That's okay.
That's okay.
You know, I looked at the greensand reg, and the inside nine at
the country club is demandingwith small greens.
SPEAKER_05 (10:07):
It's hard, it's a hard course.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Yeah, and so I think ultimately it's not about um how
many greens you hit, it's aboutcan you scramble when you're not
hitting it good, right?
Or are you leaving it in theright spots?
And so I think those are the bigthings that we try to take away.
And so ultimately, if you're nothitting greens in regulation
like you were yesterday, thefact that you're working on that
exact thing today is huge in thematurity that you have and
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understanding of your golf game,not just because I'm saying that
we need to go hit more greens inregulation.
So the fact that you havedifferent yardages that you want
to, um, ultimately, um, youknow, when we look at golf
courses too, especially down inArizona, if you haven't played
it, you know, looking at thecourse map, um, getting on
Google Earth, playing it in thesim if it if we have it, Varato,
(10:52):
right?
Don't have it, but that's okay.
It's probably coming soon.
Um, and then and then talking toyour teammates who have played
it because it is a course weplayed last year.
Um, Kira won the tournament lastyear.
She'd be a good resource foryou.
And and it is like all aboutfeeling comfortable in a place
you've never been.
Yeah.
So it's gonna be a really goodtime.
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You're gonna play great downthere.
The course sets up perfect foryour fall-off cut.
It's gonna be it's gonna begood.
But like you said, the puttingside of it is big.
And I would just say that thatwas the one thing earlier in the
season that you were stillshooting the 70s with a bunch of
putts, yeah, and you know, youcan't putt and chip enough in
this game.
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So just to keep that going.
Yeah, what are you working on inputting right now?
SPEAKER_05 (11:38):
Um, just uh like distance control and you know,
making my lag putts closer soit's easier to tap in.
SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
That's so hard because every course you go to,
the grains are so different.
SPEAKER_01 (11:50):
Yeah, I think one of the things we we talked about in
um our last practice.
I don't think I had the ladiesdoing this, but at the end the
men had to they were timed 60seconds and they had to hit as
many putts as they could in thehole.
And I gave them basically if youdon't hit 10, you gotta go do a
one-minute plank or something.
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Just whatever.
It was just kind of to make himplay for something.
And then um, sometimes we we dopositive reward base too.
Um, but at the end, I said, Iswitched it up with three
seconds to go and said if youmiss this putt, you have to do a
one-minute plank.
Nobody missed it, but only oneperson didn't succeed in the
goal.
So I went over and planked withthem and just talked to him for
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a little bit.
And then the other ones, youknow, it's interesting because
we talked a lot about thepercentage of make rate on tour
and and what we want you tofocus on, which is why you're
working on lagging it inside ofsix feet essentially, is because
the make rate is higher.
Um, but what we did at the endthat I gave to the men was uh
two to three foot putt, and youpick the most minute spot.
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It could be a grain of grassthat you want the ball to roll
over and you have to visualizethe speed it goes in prior.
You have to have that made up inyour mind, the picture, and
where on the hole does it goover and at what speed?
It has to be perfect, right?
So once you've made up yourmind, you hit the putt.
And if you miss that visual thatyou had in your head on how it
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enters the hole by just a littlebit of speed or just even a
fraction off, you reput thatputt.
unknown (13:26):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
So even if you make it, even if you make it, so you
do it until you pull off theshot.
Could take you 20 putts, butwhat happens is your focus is
narrowed so much that youprobably made all 10 or 15 of
those putts until you got it.
And so you're buildingconfidence even though you don't
know it, because you'repreparing pre preparing the
right way now.
That is smart advice.
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So then after they pull the puttoff, then they have to go to a
different spot.
SPEAKER_02 (13:53):
It's not about just making the putting going, oh, I
got lucky on that one.
It's about doing it withintention.
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Yes.
You made it the way you intendedto make it.
SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Yeah.
And that doesn't happen veryoften, but the more you practice
with intent, right?
Coach Matt talks about workingout with intent a lot and just
continuing to do things, andthat's that 1% gain.
All of a sudden now you're good.
And that's how when we startwith putting that way, then the
next thing is chipping, and thenext thing is full swing.
And if you can have intent tothat extreme, knowing and seeing
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the picture in your head of whatyou want to do, when you do pull
it off, which is probably oneout of 10 rounds of golf, right?
You're like, whoa.
Sounds a whole lot like op 36.
It's a lot like op 36.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
It's just, you know, one of those things.
So, do you what are what areyour career goals after after
college?
Is it in the golf industry or doyou have something else in mind?
SPEAKER_05 (14:40):
I have no idea.
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
Says everybody who studies communications in
college.
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
Yeah, no, I have no idea what the fact is, she could
just smile and she'll get a job.
It's perfect, right?
She's got a great smile, she'sgot a great personality, she'd
be a hard worker for anybody.
So, well, that's awesome.
Uh, what would you share?
Last little thing for you, whatwould you share with any junior
girl golfer about maybesomething that you would have
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done differently um and how youprepared to get better when you
were growing up?
SPEAKER_05 (15:16):
Um, I would have played earlier and practiced a
lot more um in the off season, Ithink, and just like just keep
practicing, even if you startedlater, because I mean I didn't
start till I was 13 and I wascompeting with the girls who'd
been playing since they were,you know, six.
Yeah.
And eventually I caught up tothem, but it took a lot of work,
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and so just keep working andkeep practicing.
SPEAKER_02 (15:39):
So you're out on the road a lot traveling to golf
tournaments and stuff.
Where's your go-to place to eat?
SPEAKER_05 (15:45):
Ooh.
SPEAKER_02 (15:46):
That one came out of left field, but well, it
depends.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Are we coming back from uh Idaho?
Because if we're doing that, wegot pizza, and then your parents
brought us pizza, and then andthen we go to Chicka Chipotle,
right?
SPEAKER_04 (15:57):
Yeah, we always go to Chipotle.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Okay.
That's a popular one.
What about mob pizza?
SPEAKER_04 (16:01):
Mod pizza's good too.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
You guys always like that.
SPEAKER_04 (16:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:04):
And then we try to eat well.
I mean, when we're on the road,we usually go to a sit-down
place if we can.
SPEAKER_05 (16:09):
Yeah, I love the old spaghetti factory.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (16:12):
So that was good.
SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
We usually give a couple options.
Hey, what style of food do youwant?
And we usually ask the girlsbecause at least they'll tell
us.
Guys are like, we don't care.
We'll eat off the side of theroad.
Whatever.
The guys just want to eatwherever the girls are eating.
That's I don't need to know anyof that.
Oh, come on, man.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that's that's awesomeadvice.
Um, and the only other thingthat brought up for me was you
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know, you're in central Oregon.
There's times where there'ssnow, there's times where it's
negative degree outside, right?
So, how would you have practicedin the winter time knowing what
you know now?
SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
Um, I would have wished there was a golf garage.
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
I'd love that.
That was not a softball either.
Did you hold that sign up, Toby,in the background?
Yeah, golf garage.
So, but isn't it cool?
When we were in um Idaho, we gotthere before the sun came out.
And we were one of the onlyteams where everyone was warming
up inside the clubhousestretching and dynamic movement,
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right?
So you were actually ready tohit driver when you went out on
the range before you had evenwarmed up.
Yeah.
So the fact that we're preparingdifferently than we did a year
ago, two years ago, three yearsago, right?
This is the four fourth year inthis program.
That is the thing that makes mesmile about this program is you
guys are just developing so muchfaster than others.
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And it'll catch up, just likeyou said, when you were first
starting and you wish you wouldhave started earlier, all of a
sudden you worked harder andthen you caught up.
Yeah.
We're working harder andsmarter.
We're gonna catch up.
And we're in the top 50, Ithink, in the country as of this
week.
I think so, yeah.
That's awesome.
So good for us.
Congrats to you.
And uh Kira, I don't know if yousaw this, but she is, I think,
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51st in the world amateur golfrankings.
Oh, wow individually this week.
Awesome.
So, you know, we're doing great,a lot of big things to come, and
just last year we weren't eventhere.
So look at it.
SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Excited.
Good things happening at SOU.
Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER_05 (18:12):
Yes, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
All right, and since the next guest is my son, I'll
let you do the introduction.
That sounds good.
SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
All right, well, your son, Toby Penquite.
I don't know where to start withthis kid.
Um, started with us in someyouth programs uh a few years
back, and uh gotten theopportunity to work with Toby
weekly, and we have started todevelop a game plan, and there's
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a lot to talk about with hisgame and where it's been and
where it's going.
But I will say that not only isToby um a golfer that loves the
game, um, his work ethic at thispoint is second to none.
And he's starting to understandhow to become a better golfer
faster.
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And one thing I said to him lastweek that I'll kind of start
with is we're not working on thebig things anymore.
We're working on the littlethings because your golf swing's
looking really good.
So I think we're kind of at apoint now with Toby to where you
know it's a lot more fun tocoach, and we're not trying to
make these ups and downs inemotion anymore because of what
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we're gonna do.
Absolutely not, and there's alot to talk about, it's about
speed and power.
So, Toby, welcome to the show,buddy.
Welcome, Toby.
SPEAKER_00 (19:32):
Yeah, thanks for having me here.
SPEAKER_01 (19:34):
So I think some of this that we want to talk about
with you is um and with Darrenis kind of parent, child, their
roles.
I want to talk about some rolestoday, but before we do, uh tell
me about how you got startedwith golf and what you love most
about golf.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
So actually, my grandpa from Santa Barbara
actually got me into golf.
And I just been playing this forfor a few years, and I started
to really like it.
And when my dad got his firstset, I was like, oh, I want to
get a golf set soon.
So I got my first set at six andI've been taking a little bit of
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some lessons just swingingaround, just figuring out.
And at the age of seven, I tooksome golf lessons with other
juniors and playing like manyscrambled tournaments.
And at around seven, I didbaseball for a few months.
Then after I didn't likebaseball much, and like all
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right, I just went back to golfand I've been playing golf since
ever since.
SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
That's awesome.
So, what's your favorite thingabout golf in the game?
SPEAKER_00 (20:39):
Um just making new friends.
It's like it could really workon relationships with others
when you play with other kids.
And also adults, and it's I justfeel like it's great to make new
friends and just talk trash toeach other and just make fun.
SPEAKER_01 (20:56):
I was gonna say, in in relate in relationships you
are making at golf garage, Toby,you you remind me a lot of
myself.
Um, I would play golf withanybody.
I worked at Bear Creek GolfCourse at a young age.
Um, I was 12 when I startedthere.
And I would literally just go upto the T and I would join
anybody and play golf withanybody and didn't really care.
And you would get to know them.
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And you know, here's Toby comingup, practicing in the morning,
and then you see somebody comesin, and about two minutes later,
you're walking over to them andjust watching them hit and
saying hi to them, and nextthing you know, you're having a
competition with them.
So, and and not even that, youknow the technology so well that
you're literally like ourliaison, you know, mascot's not
the right.
SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
Escorting people to their bays and getting them all
set up on the course they wantto play and entering the names
into the system, and yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Oh, well, yeah.
You know, and I think about thistoo, Toby.
We've had quite a few golflessons at this point, and I
don't know if you remember, buta lot of our golf lessons are
less and less about mechanics,more about fundamentals, right?
This last lesson uh withputting, do you remember the one
thing we worked on?
SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
Was it like posture with my shoulder blades going
back?
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Yeah, so posture, right?
And then with chipping, weworked on one to sway, not to
sway, and we had to work on alittle fundamental there.
SPEAKER_00 (22:13):
And then on the full swing, still the same thing, not
to sway and not tilt back what Iused to do.
Yeah, not just fall back everytime and I'm off balance.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Listen to you, man.
You could teach the gamealready.
So the the tilting back was thereason that you were kind of
hanging back and swaying becauseyour body wasn't balanced.
So you're doing all these greatthings, those are all setup
ideas, and because they're setup, you don't have to think
about them in the swing, whichmeans you can still swing at the
speed you want to, except whenyou fall over.
And so we started working onbalance, yeah, balance and
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dialing back the speed becausewhen you were taking it back so
fast, it would pull you over,wouldn't it?
Yeah, that's awesome.
So, what are you looking forwardto this summer with golf
tournaments?
SPEAKER_00 (22:52):
Um just to play some more competitive and just work
on my game and just try to startshooting lower scores on the
course and get outside more.
SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
I'm gonna tell you what he told me the other day.
I asked him a similar questionand he said, winning.
Yeah, just winning.
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
You know what?
I had a really cool professor incollege, marketing adjunct
professor.
All the adjunct professors werethe best professors.
So sitting in his office, I hadmissed some a class because of
golf tournament, and I I had todo some makeup, so I needed to
kind of find out what I neededto get done for him.
And it was just a fun class, itwas a marketing class, and and
he's like, Hey, how'd you dothis week?
I said, You know, I did allright.
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I I was second, and he's like,you know, are you getting ready
for this week?
And I said, I am.
And um, he's like, Um, you'regonna go win.
I said, Well, we'll we'll see.
And you know, the goal is, andhe's like, Well, if you're gonna
go win, yeah.
Basically, he's like, No, that'snot the attitude.
He's like, You're gonna go win,right?
And I kind of hesitated again.
He's like, You don't ever gointo a tournament trying to
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finish second.
He said, You need to go in andwin.
100%.
And I was like, Why did I notlearn this until college?
Right?
So, Toby, you've learned that.
Let's see here.
That was my senior year.
You learned that about 10 yearsearly, dude.
10 years, nine years at least.
So ultimately, I know that wewant to win, and you need to
learn how to win, and then youneed to learn how to win the
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right way.
Because there are people thatget so mad if they don't win
that they're poor losers, andthere are people that win that
get arrogant and cocky in thewrong manner and treat everyone
else bad.
SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Learn how to stay humble after a big win.
SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Big, big win, right?
Why are you there?
Scotty Scheffler's awesome,right?
SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
Scotty Scheffler doesn't care about the other
even-keeled person on tour, notafraid to talk about his faith.
SPEAKER_01 (24:35):
I think all those things are important.
So when we look at you and whereyou're at right now, you have
the physical ability to win.
You have the technical ability.
Yeah, technical ability,physical ability.
What you're going to um learnthis year is as you play in more
golf tournaments, you're goingto feel more comfortable.
(24:57):
And as you feel morecomfortable, the win won't
matter to you because you'rejust playing golf.
Yeah.
And then the score adds up tothe win.
So it's that shot by shotmentality, staying in the
present.
Those are the things that arebig as we move forward.
And, you know, I would just saythat the more you can compete
with anybody in golf garage andthen take that out on the golf
(25:20):
course.
Anything you do as a competitionat this point, even if no one's
here and you're doing it againstyourself, that's huge.
SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
There's been two big things to overcome on the golf
course.
What have those things been?
SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
A struggle, which is my mental game.
SPEAKER_02 (25:35):
The mental game?
That's the biggest one.
What's the second one?
SPEAKER_00 (25:40):
Does attitude count or is that the same?
SPEAKER_02 (25:42):
Well, no, that's the same thing.
Combating fatigue.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Because there's a big difference between playing
18 holes in the simulator andgetting out there and walking
six miles on an 18-hole course.
SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
Oh, without question.
So this is actually a cool thingto dive into because Toby just
started a fitness program andgoing to the physical therapist.
So you started with Coach Mattlast week also, um, right after
our last lesson.
And Coach Matt obviously was onthe show um last week, top, you
know, top fitness golfspecifically in the country,
(26:17):
right?
So, what are the things that youworked on with Coach Matt?
Just a couple.
SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
There's one with hip hinge.
Okay.
Where I was always likegrounding when I was not moving
my hip back.
And there's one called like deadbug.
SPEAKER_03 (26:30):
Yeah.
What's dead bug?
SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Dead bug's like, you know, you're dead, a dead bug,
you're on your back, and umalternate with like my legs at a
90 degree angle, my hands andarms just up, and I move my left
leg and my heel touches theground, and I move my right arm.
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
Yeah, alternating, alternating back and forth.
Are those hard or easy?
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
Pretty hard.
SPEAKER_01 (26:52):
And if you keep going, they're really hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The the the SOE team is that'seasier.
SPEAKER_00 (26:58):
As you keep going.
SPEAKER_01 (26:59):
Yep.
So again, the the hip hinge isposture, right?
And so one of the things that wedid was I I let Coach Matt know
what we were working on in theswing.
So that way he put an emphasison your performance program as
well.
And that's what separates us alot is being able to communicate
with amongst coaches and utilizeall of our resources here.
And then eventually, once youcan move well, he'll throw the
(27:20):
weight on.
unknown (27:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Right.
But we're not throwing weight onuntil you can move well.
And I think that's one of thebiggest keys um in working out
is understanding what yourcapabilities are, where you're
lacking, and where thoseopportunities are, and then how
we can get you to start puttingon some muscle after that.
SPEAKER_02 (27:37):
And it's it's just it's amazing from a parent's
standpoint, watching how farhe's come over the last three or
four years, and he's hungry forit.
There has been zero effort topush him by me or his or his
mom.
And he's just hungry for moreand more and more and more.
And seeing the progress thathe's been made, how far he's hit
(27:59):
in the club now as an eighthgrader, and and and his
eagerness to get better andplaying at a competitive level
now.
I'm I'm super excited to seewhere he goes over the next four
or five years.
SPEAKER_01 (28:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean, that's what ittakes.
Very rarely do you find someonethat has the work ethic of Toby
without having to say you needto do this.
If if you ask him to dosomething, he's gonna do it over
and over again, right?
And I think that's reallyimportant.
And the fact that he already hasthe ability to explain why he's
doing things.
We've even done things wherewe've taken um the technology
(28:36):
away and it's been feel-basedonly.
And he's being he's able to tellus where he's hitting it on the
club face.
I think that's so important at ayoung age to already know where
you're hitting it, how it feelsto hit it.
The miss hit's gonna go acertain distance, and he knows a
lot of that already.
Um, you know, not to it's kindof kind of weird to think this
way, but I did kind of a similardrill with the college team last
(28:57):
week where we were really workedon when you miss hit it, how far
is it going, and getting them tounderstand and the fact that
they don't know, and it'sprimarily because they didn't
they don't have the tools thatwe have at golf garage.
So let's go back home.
SPEAKER_02 (29:09):
Let's talk a little bit about the secrets of of
competitive golf out on thecourse.
Are high school and college kidsallowed to use range finders?
Yeah.
They are.
Yep.
Okay.
No slope in tournament play.
Right, correct.
So in the golf garage, you'revery into know your numbers,
know your numbers.
Know how far you hit each club,know what the what it feels like
(29:31):
to hit a 42-yard versus a45-yard wedge shot.
Um how does that come into playon the course when you watch
these PGA tour players who arenot using range finders?
I mean, yes, I know they'vewalked the course, their caddies
know that course like the backof their hand, but if they hit
(29:52):
these hundred and fifty yardshots based off of feel and drop
it within five feet of the pin,front or back.
That that feel, where does thatcome from without knowing the
actual detailed exact number?
SPEAKER_01 (30:08):
Yeah, it's just repetition.
The thing that you can't controlis the environment around you,
right?
So you don't know when a gust ofwind's gonna come up or any of
that.
But what happens is the thetechnology is is so advanced now
that it has a built-in barometerinside of some of the technology
as far as elevation goes,because if you play at different
(30:31):
elevation, the ball fliesdifferent.
Oh, I know.
We deal with that on the sim.
100%.
Yep.
You're you're gonna deal withdifferent grasses that's gonna,
you know, interact your club tothe turf differently, and it's
gonna make the ball sitdifferently.
And some players play reallygood on certain grasses and
others don't.
Um, and that's part of what Iwould say is the plan that we
need, the game plan is someonelike Tiger Woods, who's so good
(30:54):
at golf and controlling hisdistances on his approaches,
that's when in 2000 he washitting it the distance every
time pretty much.
Um he has the luxury of choosingwhere and when he wants to play.
So his schedule was verysimilar, which allowed him to
win a lot more because he knewwhat kind of golf courses he was
successful at.
He could win on any golf course,but if you really looked at it,
(31:18):
there were some things withinthose golf courses that made him
um work a little harder.
Well, gave him an advantage overother players because it was the
type of course that um would begood for him.
I mean, look at Augusta.
He was the longest hitter outthere at that time, um, or one
of.
(31:38):
And at Augusta early on, youcould hit it wherever you
wanted.
So for him to have mid irons andshort irons into par fives at
times, and other players arestill hitting a hybrid, he's
going to take advantage of that.
You know, and now they call ittiger-proofing, white, right?
They kept making courses longer.
And so um, I would just say,like going back to someone
(32:00):
that's at Toby's age right now,um, it is more and more about
repetition and creating feel.
So the example I would I wouldgive you is when you have 14
clubs in your bag, you need tobe able to hit 10 with your
pitching wedge at 100, 10 withyour nine iron at 100, 10 with
(32:24):
your eight iron at 100, 10 withright, there was that's like a
legitimate thing.
Why wouldn't you do that to seewhat the ball does and then do
something else to the extent ofwindows, right?
So if we have a bigger spot,yeah.
Yeah, I think it's one of thebest practice drills.
So, Toby, can you tell me aboutthe window drill I gave you
maybe three weeks ago?
SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
Yeah, you gave me this window drill where I have
to hit straight um fades anddraws.
So I go like low draw, mid-draw,like your average high, and then
a high draw.
Same thing with straight, low,average, and high.
The one that I struggle with themost is the fade because I don't
hit that shot shape anymorebecause I'm playing my draw more
(33:05):
consistently, and some days I'llhit a fade, but not
consistently.
SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
I wish I knew how to do that.
I know.
Well, you can come on in, man,and you got you just gotta go
start practicing.
SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
He just throws dimes with his cuts and fades onto the
green.
When we were doing bar runningwith his his nine irons pitching
line, seven irons or just dimesonto the green.
SPEAKER_01 (33:25):
Hey, so real quick, the the drill that I gave you
with the windows, uh, you did agreat job explaining that.
Um there was a piece to thatthough that I added, and I said,
How many shots does it take youto hit a high draw, right?
A mid draw, low draw, and thenfade.
So you actually said it's harderfor me to hit the fade.
So you knew that because youwrote down how many shots it
(33:47):
took you, right?
Do you remember kind of thehardest shot of the that nine
piece grid?
SPEAKER_00 (33:54):
It was the fade for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
Which one?
Was it low, mid, or high?
SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
It was uh probably mid to high.
Mid to high.
SPEAKER_01 (34:00):
Do you remember how many shots it took you to get
it?
SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
Um, I have it on my app here.
SPEAKER_01 (34:04):
You have it on your app?
All right, the Coach Now app.
But one of the things as you'relooking that up that I had said
to you was it was the mid-drop,the mid-fade was the hardest.
How many shots did it take?
SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
It took me six shots.
SPEAKER_01 (34:17):
Six.
So it's still pretty good.
So when you when you look atthat, um what what's unique
about it is you hit the nail onthe head when you said, you
know, I'm I'm really just gonnafocus on my shot shape.
So when you get out on tour,sometimes you don't have the
luxury of of having a shotshape, but realistically, or you
know, a choice to have to hit afade or draw.
(34:39):
But realistically, most of thetime you do have a choice that
I'm gonna play a little draw,right?
And it's not like we're tryingto get the ball to draw, you
know, 10 yards.
We're just trying to get it tofall left slightly because
that's the way your body movesmost efficiently, right?
And maybe down the road we lookat the other, but if you have
too many um shots in yourarsenal from left to right,
(35:00):
right to left, all of a suddenit also gets you to start
thinking about, oh, should Iplay this shot or should I play
that shot?
If you know that it's a babydraw every time and you're
really confident with that shotshape, you're gonna play a lot
better golf, not feeling like Ihave to pick from all nine of
those.
SPEAKER_02 (35:17):
If you're a right-handed golfer and your
fairway, your landing zone isgonna be sloping to the left, a
fade, it's gonna be your favorbecause you don't want it to you
don't want to hit a draw andhave the ball going in the
direction of the downhill slopeand roll off of the fairway.
SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
So it just depends on you want to land more into
the grain.
You have to decide, right?
Number one, there's always aplace typically that's a landing
area.
There's not a lot of golfcourses even built into
hillsides that have an extremeslope unless you're not playing
the course the way it wasdesigned.
Right.
So you got to look back at wherethat level landing area is, and
it might mean you got to layback to 150 instead of wedge.
(35:53):
What about hole 10 at EaglePoint?
There's a lot of level there.
It's back at one all the wayfrom like where you tee off all
the way up to about 130 islevel.
SPEAKER_02 (36:03):
And then past 130 is a hard left-handed slope.
SPEAKER_01 (36:08):
And yeah, left-handed slope for sure.
SPEAKER_02 (36:10):
Where if you're hitting a driver on a par four
and you're gonna pump it outthere 230, 240, 250 yards, you
want it to fade and land intothe hill, right?
SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
Yeah, realistically, I would just as a as a caddy or
trying to get somebody to shootthe best score, I would tell
them not to hit driver there.
I would tell them to lay back tothe level spot.
That's where people get intotrouble because that hole has so
much trouble.
So unless you're trying to drivethe green.
I have done that in tournamentplay there.
And then be an eight iron in orsomething.
I've I've hit five iron andseven iron off that T a bunch um
(36:42):
in the wintertime just becauseit didn't make sense to do
anything else.
And it gave me a really goodchance, and I probably never
made more than par.
Yet we still like to pull BigDog out and try to get that risk
reward.
It's just fun, it's part of thegame.
SPEAKER_02 (36:57):
So Toby is gonna be going into high school next
year, and we're talking about Imean, him being a homeschooled
student, we're talking aboutwho's he gonna play golf for?
What are some things?
I mean, we have a few optionsaround this area for high
schools.
What are some things we need tobe looking at in making that
selection?
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
I would just say the school as a whole is gonna be
the differentiator.
Um, you've got to have um thebalance, right?
Because you're there most of thetime going to school.
Well, and a little bit of aschool.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
I think we did talk about that,but we were looking at some
other options as well.
So never mind that.
(37:36):
I will still have thatconversation, but that's one
other time.
That makes total sense.
Yeah.
So from a golf side of it, um,you can never say it's bad to be
around other competitivegolfers, right?
So I think when you look at itright now, um, I know from a
public school side of things,South Medford High School has a
lot of really solid playerscoming in this next year.
(37:57):
Um, North Medford's got acouple.
Um, Crater always has a lot ofkids.
Um, then you get into theprivate side of it with St.
Mary's and Cascade, and they'realways gonna have some decent
players.
Um, but then you also have tolook at the coaching side of it,
right?
Right.
In high school golf, just likeat SOU, I'm gonna say this one
thing, and this is what peopledon't think of.
(38:19):
Most we'll go to high schoolfirst.
Most high school golf coachesare typically a teacher, right?
And typically they love thegame, so they're passionate
about that side of it.
But they're also looking more atgetting you to and from the golf
tournaments and making sure thatyou're at the golf course, when
(38:41):
you have practice, it's oncourse a lot more, or if you're
chipping and putting, that'sfine.
But are they able to really giveyou things that are gonna allow
you to be more successful?
And what I would say is uh mostparents are more educated on
what's out there all over thecountry as to a golf
professional that's gonna helptheir player get better.
(39:02):
So as of right now, Toby has acoach, right?
So I'm working with him weeklyon that side of the game.
I'm bringing in other coachingstaff at times to help you with
certain things, right?
And then if you have a highschool coach, the goal more for
you is probably the ability thatyou get to go play high school
golf and there's tournamentsover someone that's going to
(39:23):
help you do something more thanthat.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (39:25):
Because we all know there's those coaches out there
that are gonna say, I don't carewhat your other don't listen to
your coach anymore.
You're you're my student now,and and they kind of take over
and want to change everythingand mess mess everything up.
So it's important that we find acoach that's going to be you
(39:46):
know in line with you and withyour coaching staff uh to keep
that level of consistencyhonesty and integrity in the
coaching.
SPEAKER_01 (39:57):
I've what I found with a lot of this is that it's
just communication within thatcoach.
So you get the parent and thecoach engaged at the same time
and have a quick meeting aboutit early um before the season or
before you choose what schoolyou want, and that's all it
really takes.
SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
We we were talking to Ryan about this at Bar Run of
which high school I should goto.
Like that you guys also knowsome coaches that could just
help also just be on the samepage of what I'm working on and
what I've already mastered.
SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
Yeah, without question.
Obviously, Coach Matt's a highschool coach, Coach Ryan's a
high school coach, CoachJessica's a high school coach,
right?
So part of working here at GolfGarage is that I encourage them
to coach and they love it.
So it's a it's a win-win for us.
But giving back to the communityat some level is really, really
important.
But you're right, Toby.
I mean, to have a coach that youare that already knows you and
(40:51):
has a relationship with you isprobably gonna let you do a
little bit more free practice orthe things you need to work on
because your level of play um atthat point might be higher,
right?
But what we're looking at, youknow, is to prove that, right?
So right now, this year, yourgoal is to shoot somewhere
around even par, right?
I think you can do it.
And I think ultimately wherewe're at with it is we talked
(41:13):
about it, move up to thoseforward T's and shoot under par
and then move back one.
I bet you shoot around under paragain.
Yeah.
Because you just need to get itin your head that you can do it.
And so once that happens, um,it's like a coach, why would a
coach ever say no to you ifyou're already shooting under
par, especially if you'reprobably out there able to beat
them on a consistent basis?
Um, and I will give thisfeedback for everyone that's
(41:34):
listening.
If a coach asks you to dosomething and it doesn't feel
right, ask them why.
And if they say because I saidso, it's probably not a good
reason.
They need to be able todemonstrate it on their own
first and explain exactly whythey're telling you or asking
you to do something in yourgame.
SPEAKER_02 (41:49):
And sometimes that's not the position of the high
school kid to get up in thecoach's face and debate them on
that.
That's something maybe bring aparent or another coach
involved.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
And I would say it's not even about that, it's just
kindly, right?
You're just like, okay, coach,that sounds great.
Can you tell me why this ishappening?
Yeah, exactly.
I think it's it's not so muchabout butting heads, it's just
that it didn't it doesn't makesense to you.
And I don't necessarily,especially if you have a swing
coach already and they'regetting you to work on something
else.
The last thing you want to do ismaybe they're trying to help and
(42:18):
they give you something else,and now all of a sudden it takes
you three months to get back towhere you were because your
confidence is down and you'vebeen working on the wrong thing
on the range for a while.
Yep, for sure.
All right.
Yeah, that's good stuff, man.
What are we gonna do next week?
Uh well, Don did text me back.
He is still on his cruise.
Uh, he's so he texted me fromthe boat.
So I'm hopeful that Don Law willbe on the show.
(42:40):
Caribbean?
No, I think he's overMediterranean, yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, beautiful.
And then Toby, uh we gotta askyou a couple of questions here,
right?
What are our guests there,Darren?
What do they like?
What's your favorite golf courseyou've ever played?
SPEAKER_00 (42:54):
Um Court Olaine in Idaho.
SPEAKER_02 (42:57):
Oh, that's court allane resorts.
The island green.
Yeah, that island green andhaving to take a little boat out
to it is that's the only thingthat's special about that.
SPEAKER_00 (43:06):
That's the only thing that made me like that
course.
But the second one of liketalking Oregon, it's um running
wide.
SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he got to play running whyway.
I got to play running white atonce.
We've got to make that happen afew more times.
Yeah.
And where's your what's yourfavorite restaurant?
Where's your favorite place toeat?
SPEAKER_00 (43:21):
Does a golf golf course count?
Yeah, sure.
Centennial for sure.
Centennial grill, yeah.
Centennial grill.
It's I always sometimes whenit's afternoon, we always eat
there when our round's over.
SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
All right.
Noah, it's been a pleasure.
Toby, thank you for joining us.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Yeah, Toby, good job, bud.
Big things to come.
SPEAKER_00 (43:39):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
Until next week, take care of the
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