March 31, 2025 • 50 mins
In this bonus content, Daniel and TJ continue their conversation with Danny Williams after the cameras are off. When three old friends get together and start chatting, there's no telling what will come up!
After tasting some farm-raised pickled quail eggs, the guys talk about the trend to live more naturally and with greater self-reliance. As the conversation meanders, more topics including yard foraging, air pruning, seed scarification, food forests, and AI planning get discussed. This fun and thought provoking bonus episode is one that you won't want to miss!
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Danny Williams (00:02):
I got in a sketch situation yesterday and I
was like what do I do now, youknow, and it kind of like
dropped and the way that itended up when I was making like
my last cut, I was like thismight be man from snowy river.
Like my son over here might befixing to watch me get crushed
by a tree.
But luckily it didn't turn outthat way.
TJ Virden (00:29):
Hi, but luckily it didn't turn out that way.
Hi, this is TJ Verdon.
Daniel Emison (00:31):
This is Daniel.
TJ Virden (00:32):
Inneson, and this is the Natural Obsession Podcast.
One thing that Daniel and Italked about, like when we were
in the coffee shop meeting withyou the other day.
I was like why in the heckdon't we just go ahead and
(00:56):
record while we were sittingthere, you know, and having
normal conversations, instead oflike trying to do what we're
doing and come up with things?
Daniel Emison (01:00):
Because then we could have little clips and
little you know spices to putinto teas, into teasers or
whatever.
TJ Virden (01:06):
It's nice and it's more natural when you're doing
that yeah, so the quail eggsfarm-raised quail, we should be
which, since we're talking aboutyeah you know the species and
making sure they're around andwell being endangered and stuff.
I don't know if they'reactually on the list, but
they're, you know, at leastsuffering make sure they know
we're not going out in natureand robbing quail eggs?
Danny Williams (01:25):
Yeah, we're not robbing quail eggs.
TJ Virden (01:26):
These are from a farm , but Jeremiah Brown in Ferndale
provided these pickled quaileggs that we're actually
munching on here Pretty good man, Very good.
Good stuff.
Daniel Emison (01:35):
You can't see us munching on them anymore,
because we turned the video off.
TJ Virden (01:38):
Yeah, and I think that goes back to our
conversation we were havingearlier about people doing
things that are more natural andstuff.
You know, he's another one ofthose people that we're
connected with that's just doingsomething that's not normal,
you know, yeah, living off theland.
Danny Williams (01:55):
Is he Like how?
TJ Virden (01:57):
much.
I mean I would have to talk toJesse to find out how much he's
actually doing.
But I know he's like doing hisown lumber and stuff these days.
Oh cool, like he's going outand cutting like timber.
So he's got his own sawmill,got that set up, he's got
chickens and he's got quail andhe's got other animals that he's
like raising for meat andraising for eggs and that sort
of thing.
Nice, and so he's definitelytrying to live more self-sustain
(02:20):
.
Daniel Emison (02:20):
Yeah, true, super cool.
I just don't know how youtransition that into like
everyday people, like in thesuburbs.
You know you can have threechickens in Little Rock, I think
, but it'd be nice to figure outhow you could get that
accessible to everybody.
In Little Rock over by the TwoRivers Park they have like
little gardens you can rent likethose spots.
(02:42):
That's cool, but it'd be niceto because the likelihood of
going over there consistently.
You know gardens you can rentlike those spots.
That's cool, but it would benice to because you know the
likelihood of going over thereconsistently.
Probably not very good when youhave to drive 30 minutes over
there.
Danny Williams (02:50):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (02:50):
If you could do your yard that way, that would
be super cool Looking like yourfarmer's market or here in
Conway like your Bell UrbanFarms.
TJ Virden (02:58):
You know those people .
You know not everybody wants togrow things and go to the work
that we're talking about because, like Danny said, it takes a
lot of work and stuff.
But there are people who arewilling, like if somebody else
is willing to go to the workthey're willing to pay that
person for the work.
I think Jeremiah is charging$12 or $15 a jar for these, but
(03:18):
some people are charging like $1an egg for quail eggs.
He's not charging as much aswhat?
Danny Williams (03:26):
they are fancy.
Daniel Emison (03:27):
But you know, would you sell these eggs for
you know, 50 cents a piece afteryou've taken all the work, yeah
you know, I get it yeah yeah,it's like man, that's a lot of
work well, and you gotta feedthem and you gotta you know
house them and yeah all that,there's a lot of going and I
think, as long as people arefinding that value, like that
valuable which I do you know,house them and all that, there's
a lot of going on and I think,as long as people are finding
that value, like that valuablewhich I do you, know, you know,
(03:48):
knowing where it came from,preferably knowing it was raised
without a bunch of you know GMOcorn and all this other things.
you know I'll pay more for that,definitely.
TJ Virden (03:58):
All day long.
Danny Williams (03:59):
There there's a a genuine movement towards all
these things that we're talkingabout.
That's been happening for awhile.
It's building steam, and the,the catalog of information
that's available in easilydigestible forms like youtube
videos, is insane, and there'smore and more all the time yeah
and I think one of the many,many goals that we have for our
(04:25):
property is, like my wife when Istarted talking about all this
craziness, I just like the wholeproperty, just like food
production and pollinator andall that kind of stuff.
Daniel Emison (04:37):
Oh shoot.
Danny Williams (04:37):
No, she was like no, she didn't Cause.
She was like I want, I wantsunshine and flowers and I want
space and all you know.
And then she was like I want, Iwant sunshine and flowers and I
want space and all you know.
And then she was like you know,those things are like.
They're like when people do thenatural way, it's ugly.
I'm like who you like, who youthink you're talking to like
yeah you know I'm gonna make itlike that's.
I'm not gonna be cool with that.
So like we're, everything inthe front of our home and around
(04:59):
the side is all like pockets.
It's like it's gonna be alllike pockets of like tree guilds
and everything landscape thatwe've got is all gonna be either
natural, medicinal, edible,native, you know, but uh, but
balanced and beautiful.
Like why can't?
I mean sure I'm gonna have some.
(05:20):
Like I'm a landscape guy andI've always loved like bonsai.
I'm to have like 10 differentvarieties of Japanese maples
hidden around my property.
There's going to be you knowthere's stuff that really low
maintenance and um and and likefeasible that people, enough
(05:52):
people because of the thepublic's general awareness and
awakening like to all thesethings, it's hard to really kind
of yeah you know, put it simply, but like people are moving
towards the, the natural yeah.
Daniel Emison (06:07):
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think that there's abig movement toward that all of
a sudden?
And it's over the past fewyears, but I see it too yeah.
Danny Williams (06:15):
Well, I think there are those that have been
championing these things likeall along but um, and you know
things like social media andYouTube and all that stuff it
helps to get these things outthere, right but then also
people like I'm not.
(06:35):
For a period of my life I wasreally hyper focused on the
political world.
I'm not.
Now I've come to a place whereI can kind of be at peace with,
like, god's sovereignty and allthat, so I don't really worry
too much about it.
But things that have happenedover the last let's just say,
(06:58):
you know, less than a decade,but especially the last five or
six years, have just caused alot of people to just start
questioning all the things thatthey assumed is true.
And I think the more thatpeople are seeking truth, it's
leading them to these thingsNatural stuff, yeah.
Daniel Emison (07:13):
That's kind of what I was thinking Like, you
know, mental health issues.
There's so many of them now,like chronic illnesses, so many
of them now.
This wasn't a thing back, youknow, not too long ago.
Yeah, now it's just likeeverything's rampant.
Everybody's trying to figureout, like, how do we fix this?
And I think going the naturalpath would probably be the best
answer.
TJ Virden (07:32):
yeah, yeah, definitely um, you were talking
about building bat boxes earlierand so one of the things that,
like when quail forever came out, you know I was kind of upset
with because we got the 250acres, you know and.
I've got tons of shag barkhickory on the place and so I
(07:53):
was like what about all this?
You know, it's good for nothing.
What am I going to do with this?
And they're like oh no, it'snot good for nothing.
They're like bats nest in shagbark hickory.
They'll get up under the barkReally.
Daniel Emison (08:04):
Yeah, and nest in that.
Danny Williams (08:05):
How cool is that ?
So we have several speciesBecause they only need like a
quarter inch or half an inch,something like that.
TJ Virden (08:10):
And so I have tons of shagbark hickory.
And you know, when you standout by our pond at night, bats
are going crazy.
That's awesome.
I never thought Like.
I always, but no, it's probablythe hickory trees.
Heck yeah, that I was ready tocut down.
Danny Williams (08:23):
Don't you be cutting down that show?
I know?
TJ Virden (08:25):
And then also, like I was watching a thing the other
day, we have the Crooked GateFarm up in north central
Arkansas by us and they aredoing, or they did, like some
syrup out of that, and sobasically Out of what the bark
They'll take the bark, really,the bark.
Danny Williams (08:41):
They'll take the bark.
TJ Virden (08:42):
Really.
Yeah, they boil it down andmake this cool syrup and it's
supposed to be like high, like asweet syrup.
Danny Williams (08:47):
Yeah, really.
TJ Virden (08:48):
Yeah, I think you know, obviously they add like
sugar or something to it, butit's supposed to be like high.
I think it was a magnesium orsomething like that for the bark
.
Daniel Emison (08:55):
But anyway, you know, maybe add honey to it
instead of sugar.
Danny Williams (08:58):
Yeah that's one of the many reasons I love my
wife, because she's the one likeI don't like those facts Like
you just mentioned, like they'rein one ear, out the other.
Like I, I don't spend, I spend,I think.
I think I spend most of mybrain power trying to figure
things out and not retain them.
Yeah Right, I have like I don'tretain things.
(09:20):
Well, but like my wife is likethe my walking and cyclopedia.
You know, I'll ask her thequestions cause she's been.
It's funny you should have heron at some point because I
didn't think yeah maybe.
TJ Virden (09:37):
Yeah, that'd be fun.
We're not one of the other, youknow it'd probably be I think
it would be.
Daniel Emison (09:39):
I think I'd enjoy it.
Danny Williams (09:40):
Yeah, um, but you know she started out by just
walking around the yard andshe's like oh Dan, did you know
that you?
She would always be like didyou know you can eat dandelions
in the root and whatever?
And then, like, she startedteaching Piper this stuff.
So I come outside one dayseveral years ago five, six and
Piper's little and she's eating.
We have all these hostas andthe kind of shady part in the
(10:02):
back of the yard.
I walk out there and she'seating flowers off hostas and I
was like what are you doing?
She's like it's okay, you caneat them.
And I was like says who?
She's like mom, you can eat anypart of the hosta, you can eat
the flowers in the back exactlyuh, but but she started walking
(10:27):
around.
She would do what they call likeyard foraging or something like
that.
Or we're gonna make a yardsalad and so we would supplement
our salad with like all thesedifferent, like you know, greens
from from the yard, that's cooland that was kind of how she
started.
She got an app that you canidentify like a plant
identification app and anytimewe'd be hiking or anything,
anything that caught her eye,she'd see.
(10:48):
She'd see what it was and she'dbe like does this have
medicinal?
value food value any use.
Yeah and um, she's been doingthat for years now and um, I
think it's super awesome becausewe've been following the things
that we're interested in inapart from one another
individually, and to see howthey work together so well is
(11:10):
just super awesome.
I think that's cool.
TJ Virden (11:12):
Yeah, it is yeah, I think brianna's coming on board
with.
You know the things that we'redoing at the farm too.
She's.
She's all about wanting to have, like a wildflower fields and
that sort of thing throughoutthe farm you know, and then
she's all all about whatever Iwant to do.
You know, usually when dad and Iare doing some deer habitat
(11:33):
projects, we make sure to dosome cleaning up around the barn
, you know taking out somelocust trees and stuff right
there, right, so we try to havea good balance of like
beautification, you know andalso habitat improvement you
know which is you know, a lot oftimes when you're doing habitat
improvement, it's not reallybeautiful Because we're talking
like burning hinge cutting, youknow, fire breaks, you know all
(11:58):
that kind of stuff, and that'snot always pretty or fun for the
other half.
Daniel Emison (12:03):
I want to be out there for the fire burn.
TJ Virden (12:05):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (12:06):
I want us to do that.
TJ Virden (12:07):
Billy Joe, my brother actually started some yesterday
at his place.
He did some burns and so wewere talking.
You know, I've got the dozerand stuff now, so we're talking
about getting up there with thedozer, doing the fireworks and
lighting the whole 250, you knowwe're close to it Really.
Yeah, maybe not all at once butyou know yes, you know we're
talking about.
You know dormant season burnsversus you know other other
(12:31):
seasons, you know which is best.
So you burn at different timesfor different yeah, outcomes and
reasons yeah yeah, so basicallyyou know, if you burn in a
dormant season, you're catchingthe plant when all of its
nutrients are stored at the baseyou know, but if you wait until
, let's say, you've got aninvasive plant that's coming up
and you get all of that into theblooms, all of its energy in
(12:52):
the blooms, then in theory youcan burn those plants at that
point in time and it will knockthem back a lot further than if
you had just burned them in thedormant season yeah, so that's
so.
Danny Williams (13:04):
That's a theory or not a theory?
That's like a truth that I'verecently discovered about
pruning.
So it's the same thing.
Yeah, it's like I was waitinguntil fall to cut all these
invasive trees back, kill themoff.
Yeah, thinking well, it'll beeasier to get in there in the
fall, it'll be cooler.
I, I'd rather work out thereand I'd worry about snakes and
critters and whatnot.
And then you know, I go inthere and then I watch something
(13:27):
and realize like, oh, I'm likeshooting myself in the foot Like
you want them to be like allthe energy up top, cut them down
and you do that a few times andthen they kind of run out of
root energy and that's it.
TJ Virden (13:38):
Yeah, a lot of them will die from that, yeah, into
certain certain size trees, Ithink they say you know smaller
than your wrist and diameter.
A lot of times it'll be killedoff by a fire, depending on what
kind of tree it is too, and howintense the fire is.
Danny Williams (13:52):
Right yeah.
TJ Virden (13:53):
But then you know, once they get to a certain size,
fire stops knocking them back.
And so I think, I think theysay like one, two and three year
or your of growth are actuallythe best to do in burn rotations
, because after three yearsyou're pretty much you know,
don't knock as many things backafter three years and so like,
if you're doing every year, um,then you're going to keep your
(14:14):
stuff shorter and thicker.
You're going to have lots oflike stump shoots and stuff,
woody brows coming up.
Oh yeah, then if you get like atwo-year, then you're gonna get
a little bit higher.
You know some more grassy, youknow taller trees and stuff in
there you so you've talked topeople and done research on.
Danny Williams (14:36):
You know all these things that you're doing
for conservation.
When you talk about, likestumps, shooting up material,
yeah, is that something that isever desired for?
For it Cause like okay.
TJ Virden (14:47):
So, yeah, yeah, so a lot of people.
So they would say that you know, there's I guess there's
different schools of thought,you know, depending on who you
listen to.
But some people say that, like,if you cut and leave the stump,
you're going to get a lot ofthat woody browse coming up in
the first year and so that'sideal habitat for like or not
(15:09):
habitat.
But like food for deer, deer,like love woody browse.
They're kind of like a goat.
Yeah, they would rather have thewoody stemmy browse than
actually grass which is contraryto how people think, because
everybody's trying to plant likea lush food plot and you know
they'll eat some of those thingstoo.
But they like the woody browsenatively and naturally, you know
I'm trying to remember whatthey call it.
Danny Williams (15:28):
there's like like tree hay or something like
that.
Oh yeah, like so.
Um, there's a this permacultureconsultant that I watch
sometimes and he does that'swhere I learned about that
pollarding that I was talkingabout and he'll go through and
harvest, like if you say you cuta tree like three feet, right,
well, it'll send up like fiveshoots this browse you're
(15:48):
talking about Well, he'll gothrough and chop off three of
them and take them with him andleave two and he'll just gather
this and he'll hang it up in thebarn and let it dry, and they
call it tree hay.
And that's what they feed a lotof their animals during the
wintertime.
That's cool.
They feed, you know, a lot oftheir animals, okay.
So like goats yeah, during thewintertime that's cool and it's
actually a lot more likeNutrient, yeah.
(16:09):
Yeah, it's supposed to bereally good for them yeah, yeah,
it's crazy, the things that youknow.
TJ Virden (16:14):
Like I was showing Daniel, we walked up to the top
of the mountain this week.
We were up at the land and wewere looking at the briars you
know the green briars and youcan look at the end where deer
or something has gnawed the endsof it off, and you just don't
think about deer eating thatkind of thing Because it doesn't
look appealing to us.
So we just think it's notappealing to them and it's kind
(16:36):
of one of those indicatorspecies where I'm at.
If you're seeing deer eat thoseyou know like that then you
know that there's not a lot offood anywhere else.
Oh, so so they don't love it.
Well, like it depends on whatstage it's in, like if it was a
tender shoots coming off, ohyeah.
Danny Williams (16:52):
They like that.
But if it's like those wiry,yeah, yeah.
TJ Virden (16:55):
And that's what I had up.
There is, like you can tell,all I green stem and it was
probably eighth inch in diameter, um, and they had still been
gnawing the ends off of that.
You know, and that's you know,and you can look around anywhere
we walked and you know therewas like deadfall everywhere and
a thick, thick layer of umleaves, yeah, on the ground like
(17:18):
decaying and stuff, which isgreat, you know, for the soil
and stuff, but as far as likestuff popping up the deer, I
know animals can eat.
Daniel Emison (17:26):
It's not that great, you know.
And then TJ about killedhimself on all those leaves.
Yeah, I slid down.
TJ Virden (17:31):
I thought I died, but it was just a chainsaw that
took the injury.
Daniel Emison (17:34):
He landed on the chainsaw.
TJ Virden (17:37):
Not running, just to be clear.
Danny Williams (17:38):
Yeah, I got in a sketch situation yesterday.
Oh yeah, yeah I I had like 45minutes before I had to get the
kids to go to church and I justwanted to get outside.
Like I haven't had much time towork on that property it's been
snowing and raining and cold,and you know it's dark at 5
o'clock, and so I was like I'dbeen looking at the trees for a
(18:02):
long time and I was like there'stwo there's one for sure, maybe
two sweet gums that I need totake out.
And they was like there's two,there's one for sure, maybe two
sweet gums that I need to takeout, and they're like 60 plus
feet tall.
They're pretty good, prettygood.
And so I was like, well, I'veseen them do this, like I don't
know what they, I don't knowwhat it's actually called, but
I'll.
It's like a.
It's a cut that you do in atree that basically gives you a
(18:22):
hinge, so you'll have you know.
it's like in and then down yeahand I was like that can't be
that hard, I'm gonna do that.
And I was like I'm gonna justdrop it right here.
Well, so I get out there andI'm like doing one thing and I'm
like, look at that, that's sofreaking cool.
Like all I gotta do is cutthrough here, and it's gonna.
And so I cut through and it andit it was supposed to go this
(18:46):
way and it kind of like droppedand and there's just they're
stuck just just there, yeah,just standing straight up all 60
feet of it.
And I was like son of a gun andI was like what do I do now, you
know?
And so what did I?
At first?
I was like I'm just gonna likethis can't take that much.
(19:07):
It's completely separated allthe way through.
And so I was like I'm justgoing to do like a bear, I'm
going to push it and let it comeback and I'm going to like time
it with the top, you know and Itried and tried, I was like, no
, that ain't going to work.
So then I went and tried to.
Then I went and tried to cutlike a wedge out of what I'd
already done to see if it'd getit to go ahead and go.
(19:28):
And that didn't work.
And then I was like, oh, thisis sketchy now.
And then so I tried to go upanother foot or so and cut a
wedge out and let it fall thatway, and it kind of did.
But then it like I didn't wantit to go that way.
But I was like I don't knowwhat to do.
And so maybe, no, maybe it wasafter I that's what it was.
When I cut that wedge out of thefront, trying to get it to go
(19:49):
that way.
It went further that way.
And then there's these two big,like big pine trees and I was
like it's going to go rightbetween them but it's going to
take branches out, like I don'twant that.
And so anyway, it was like thethe harder I tried, the worse it
got.
And then it was like fully likeleaned over, like this, and it
was like, yeah, that could fallliterally anytime.
(20:10):
I can't leave that like that,you know.
Yeah, I know what the kid'splaying yeah, and the dog, and
who knows, you know.
And so, yeah, I thought likethe way that it ended up.
When I was making my last cut,I was like this might be man
from Snowy River.
Like my son over here might befixing to watch me get crushed
(20:30):
by a tree.
TJ Virden (20:32):
But luckily it didn't turn out that way got it down.
Danny Williams (20:34):
so, yeah, wow, I always on stuff like that, I'm
always like, oh yeah, like Ilike that's like physics, that's
no problem.
And then it just never goes theway you think.
TJ Virden (20:50):
Sometimes you think of yourself as a bigger
outdoorsman than me.
That's probably true, I'mguilty of that in most areas of
my outdoor activities.
I think I'm a better kayakerthan I am.
I think I'm a better fishermanthan I am Better hunter.
Danny Williams (21:08):
Yeah, I don't know, I think I might.
I might actually go theopposite direction.
Like I think I don't givemyself enough credit a lot of
times cause I didn't grow.
I always tell myself what Ididn't do or what I don't know,
and when I look at it and likeno, I've spent like pretty
decent practical knowledge, likeI feel I can get around a
little bit.
But then when it comes to likeyou know, survival is type of
(21:30):
stuff I'm like no, that's athat's a skillset that's really
specialized.
I don't, I don't, uh, I don'tthink too highly of my abilities
to just go out and and make ago of it.
Daniel Emison (21:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Danny Williams (21:47):
We're.
If we're out of electricitytomorrow, you're going to be
struggling.
If there's an earthly fear thatI have, it's a freaking EMP
dude.
You know how bad that would be.
Daniel Emison (21:53):
Nobody knows how to like we're going to have to
go to TJ's property.
He better get that thingwhipped up in shape.
Danny Williams (22:00):
We need to get some food for us baby.
We need to get some comms.
I want to be in on that.
Daniel Emison (22:04):
I want to have a safe place.
TJ Virden (22:05):
There's we need to get some comms.
I want to be in on that.
I want to have a safe place.
Yeah, yeah, there's.
There's a lot of stuff to do.
You know you're talking about.
You know what you got to do onthree acres, which is daunting
just in itself.
Danny Williams (22:16):
Yeah, even a yard is daunting, you know I
really want to do it right, butthen 250 acres is like a whole
nother animal.
Yeah, you know it's funnybecause, like I know, like you
you've, I mean 250 is that's abig deal.
I know some people recentlythat have bought 10 and 20, you
know acres, 40 acres, and Ireally like one of my and
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another one of my ambitions is,uh, to like I was like, well, if
I can't, I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna own I mean maybe I'm
probably not.
Another one of my ambitions is,uh, to like I was like, well,
if I can't.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna own.
I mean, maybe I'm probably notgonna own anything like that.
Daniel Emison (22:52):
Most likely.
Danny Williams (22:55):
I mean, you know , we got set back so hard with
everything, like we just startedback from nothing.
Daniel Emison (23:03):
Most super wealthy people do Maybe.
So I mean, I have no idea, Idid your business.
Now I think it could take offhuge.
Danny Williams (23:09):
Yeah, I think I think my, like I'm the limiting
factor, for sure, but the more I, the more I learned to slow
down and listen.
The more I learned to slow downand listen, the more I think
that those things are totallypossible.
Um, because I just, you know,when you're trying to do things
(23:33):
on on your for me, I try to dothings on my own I'm like
scattered and, you know, fearfuland everything else.
And it's like the more open Iam and the more I slow down and
listen, the more that, like God,shows me these.
Maybe we'll call them lifehacks, that's what the internet
would call like life hacks.
But you know, just these mindshifts like you don't have to
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have all the trucks and trailersand equipment and people, like
you can, like you can use thecommunity around you to do those
things.
Like you can plan well anddesign well and build a team for
a project Like.
That's a pretty big um.
Before I would have been tooscared to do that.
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What if they let me down?
What if they don't come through?
But it's like I've just startedbuilding relationships with
people and what's really cool isthe people that work with me
want to work with me again,cause it turns out, most
contractors are kind ofbuttholes Shady.
Daniel Emison (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, and so that's true.
I've always said that, yeah,find a good contractor, but you
better hang on to them, becauseit is hard to find good ones.
Danny Williams (24:35):
Yeah, and that's that's.
It's below my mind and theproject's just getting bigger
and bigger and I'm starting totrust that God brings the right
ones along at the right time soI don't have to worry that the
right ones aren't here right nowthat I feel like would be the
right ones, because when I'mready they'll be here.
(24:57):
I actually kind of believe that.
So, I don't know, but all I'msaying is right now it it's not
in the.
You know, I'm just like I'mtrying to be present with my
three acres.
And but.
But I've got people like youand my friend Harrison that just
bought that 10 acres inGreenbrier and and it's like,
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well, shoot Like if I startdoing the things that I want to
do anyway, like you know, like.
So, for example, this airpruning have you ever heard of
an air pruning bed?
TJ Virden (25:33):
I'd never heard about it.
Danny Williams (25:35):
I'd never heard about it before, but I know that
, like when you plant somethingin a slick wall pot, the roots
just go around and around andget them all Like I buy nursery
stock sometimes and I'm likegosh, dang it.
They should have potted this uptwo years ago.
Like it's just like, yeah, it'sjust like, completely like it's
you're, you're screwed.
(25:56):
Before you get started, likeit's really hard for that tree
to do right now and unless youlike, cut all the roots and hope
that it doesn't shock it toobad and let it grow, it start.
So in like this method you likeyou can do it in pots or you
can do it in a tray.
What I'm talking about is justgetting them started from seed.
And so you'll have a box, youknow, say three feet by two feet
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by six or eight inches deep,and then you'll have like
something underneath it, likesome upturned two by fours or
some two by two material to justkeep it up off the ground.
And then underneath it you'vegot what do they call it?
That, like you know, quarterinch wire mesh fence.
(26:43):
Yeah, but it's like the quarterinch, like the you know real
small kind of stuff.
So you'll have like a layer ofthat, you'll have like a layer
of shade cloth and then likesome kind of concrete cloth or
whatever.
So it allows water and oxygento go in and out.
But when those and then you'llplant these seeds, and when the
roots get down to that level,rather than shooting off this
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way or that way or circlingaround it, they hit the air and
it prunes them.
So, like when you see a tree,like on the side of a really
steep hill, the tree doesn'thave roots sticking out the side
here that are just like growingwhere they normally would Like.
They're not going to grow intoair and so it.
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Like it, it's just a way to keepthese.
You know, things happen withthe roots that don't need to
happen and then so, like, in abox the size I was talking about
, you could plant 300 trees andand grow them to a start, like a
12 to 18 inch start, and theycan just be packed in there and
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then you can pull them all apartand you can put them in pots or
however you want to do it, andso, like, I love the idea of
talking to people like you andHarrison and be like hey, as you
are expanding as you're, asyou're expanding, as you're
looking at, as you're assessingyour property and figuring out
(28:11):
like, oh, it sure would be niceif we had more of these or more
of that, or whatever, then Iwould love to like I don't, like
, I don't know.
This year we're working oninfrastructure.
It's like I want to get the airpruning beds going.
I want to get water runeverywhere we need it to run.
I need to get the chicken cooppermanent thing built and I need
some sort of shade house orsomething where I can start just
, uh, putting like nursery stockin and keeping it kind of out
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of the weather, and then wemight do a high tunnel, so on
and so forth.
Uh, and so I'd love to.
I mentioned seeds.
I'd love to start saving, youknow, a huge diversity of seeds
and have like a seed bank thatwe can help people get started
that way.
But also, with these trees, youknow, if you can, if you can, I
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can walk around in the woods inspring and start well, or or
start taking cuttings.
TJ Virden (29:01):
Like I can do.
Danny Williams (29:02):
You can get a bunch of cuttings off of one
tree, so I could go and findthis shag bark, you know, and
and take several cuttings off ofit.
Or I can just order seeds orwhatever and just really scale
up for like nothing, cause if Iorder 300 of those, you know
saplings like that, they're notvery expensive but they're going
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to be a few bucks each at least, like four or five bucks each,
you know, like that's 12, 1500bucks for 300 trees or I could
spend almost no time and 20 onseeds.
And there they are, and sothat's what I was like, that's,
that's what we're gonna have todo, and I would love to be able
to.
Once we have that, like thespace and the technique and
(29:47):
everything down, then I couldscale that up and be able to be
able to provide people you know,people like you with the native
trees that they want to putaround the property.
TJ Virden (29:57):
Yeah, so my property would be a good opportunity for
that, just because I've got acouple of different species that
are a little bit more rare,like I've got chink of Pinocchio
there, which you know is reallyjust found kind of through the
Ozarks.
Yeah, you know, and it's not.
I don't think it's found muchsouth of where I am.
Could be wrong, but I don'tthink so From the research I've
(30:18):
done.
Anyway, but I've got a lot ofthem, so it'd be really cool to
get some of those.
Danny Williams (30:22):
I've got some gum trees.
Daniel Emison (30:27):
You want be really cool to get some of those
.
Danny Williams (30:28):
I've got some gum trees.
You want any of them.
I don't think anybody wantsthose I know they're finding
what.
TJ Virden (30:30):
Yeah, gum, cedar, hickory trees, I got plenty of
yeah yeah, hackberry too.
I got a lot of hackberry.
Oh yeah, I was watching.
You know that food forest thingyou sent me the other day.
The persimmons that guy wasgrowing were unreal, they were
cool.
Danny Williams (30:43):
Yeah, they were like oh, were they Japanese
persimmons?
I don't know.
TJ Virden (30:48):
It was in that food force Were they big,
peachy-colored looking I thinkthey were Japanese persimmons.
Danny Williams (30:51):
Okay, maybe.
Daniel Emison (30:52):
Yeah, they were huge, they looked good.
Yeah, I was like the persimmonsI've had aren't?
Danny Williams (30:56):
very good.
Yeah, well, you know.
So there was peds, plus therewas a funny cause.
That's where Piper goes, orpediatric, yeah, yeah.
They had in their landscape.
I don't know why, but somebodyin the landscape there they
planted a persimmon tree.
Okay, well, it's an irrigated,you know, automatically
(31:16):
irrigated property.
And so we pulled in there onefall and we're like what the
crap?
This thing was just loaded, wegot gallons of these persimmons
and we have a persimmon tree inour front yard that's probably
50 feet tall and is, I don'tknow, probably 30, 40 years old,
if I had to guess, and weharvest persimmons and make
(31:39):
bread and stuff every year.
But the difference between justthese persimmons that were
growing on this tree out in themiddle of the yard and the ones
that were getting irrigated allyear, same same variety.
It was a like natural variety,but they were insane.
They were just yeah, just hugeand just like I don't know.
You know it's like peppers Ifyou have a drought, you know.
Or if peppers are dry, they'llbe hotter or whatever.
(32:01):
Yeah, there's something aboutjust like same cultivar but
different environment, it'spretty.
TJ Virden (32:07):
They ended up cutting that down.
Yeah, yeah, too messy.
It's too messy.
Yeah, I wonder what, like, ifyou did that with like a honey
locust.
You know, because the indiansused to use honey locust for
like um sweetener really it's anatural sweetener, yeah really
yeah.
Danny Williams (32:19):
So honey locust is another one on my list for uh
carbon accumulation for likegrowing and chopping.
TJ Virden (32:25):
It's crazy how much it puts off, and even the pods
and stuff that it puts off.
Daniel Emison (32:29):
That's the one with the thorns right.
It is the one with the thorns.
Danny Williams (32:33):
Aurelia is scared about the invasive
species, and I've always beenscared of them too.
But now it's like well, Ibelieve what I see.
And so it's like well, if youplant enough density and
diversity, then there's too muchcompetition.
So, they're only invasive ifyou allow them to be invasive.
So I'm like I'm going to beplanting a lot of stuff that's
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considered invasive because it'sgoing to get me what I want.
TJ Virden (33:00):
Well, when you go to my property, you know you would
think that just going to myproperty and looking at it with
a C-gap and the different thingsthat I've got a lot of natural
habitat.
It's crazy the amount of thingsthat I have growing in the
field that just pop up randomlythat are not natural to where we
are.
Oh really, oh yeah.
Danny Williams (33:19):
Like I would say that you think birds are
primarily the delivery system.
TJ Virden (33:24):
Farming.
Daniel Emison (33:24):
They ran cows on that property for a while.
TJ Virden (33:27):
Probably some birds from different versus some
different things, but I thinkyou know it's probably just a
lot of farming and stuff that'sdone most of it, yeah, but it's,
like I would say, probablygreater than 50% Really Not
invasive but non-native yeah.
Danny Williams (33:42):
Yeah, it's in that little acre and a half.
So you actually I think it wasprobably you that well at first.
So we had this acre and a halfnext to us and nobody had done
anything with it for like ever.
And when we moved into thehouse 10 years ago it was like
getting a little out of controlover there.
Like all the saplings and stuffwere getting up to that like
(34:03):
one and a half you know, and soI had somebody come in and just
hit it with a tractor, you know,knock it all down.
I paid somebody to mow my theproperty I didn't know and yeah,
cause nobody else was going todo anything with it and I didn't
want it just getting crazy, andso we knocked it down.
And then we did that for awhile, a couple of times a year,
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bush hog it, and then I don'tthink it was on purpose, I think
we were busy or broke orsomething.
I don't know.
I can't remember the time framewhen this was, but we just kind
of let it start doing its thing.
But I wanted the kids to beable to get through it and we
have four-wheeler.
We wanted to ride around, so Istarted mowing to ride around.
So I would like I started mowing, I would mow like a two mower
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wide path through, like around,and then later I'd be like I'll
kind of take it through here andthen.
So we ended up with like allthese kind of paths,
interconnected paths, goingthrough this acre and a half,
and as we did that and likeevery couple weeks I'm on, and
when my wife started doing thisthing, she would walk around the
paths and she would start goingoh, what's that?
What's you know she'll look atit and be like oh, rattlesnake,
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master, or you know like, so wehave so much diversity of
natural stuff that that justlike is doing its thing over
there, and what's what kills meis, I think, because, um, a lot
of it got overtaken by that.
Uh, honeysuckle, yeah Right,and now that's like the bane of
(35:32):
my existence.
I'm like that dad gunhoneysuckle.
Just, you know, it's like allthat's where it's at and when it
gets a hold, that's it.
You know, yeah, um, but that'sthe invasive, and there's a
handful of invasives in there.
We have.
We had two or three Bradfordpears on our property when we
(35:52):
bought it.
They're all gone now, but inthe field I have Bradford pears,
we got Bradford pears, we gotthe honeysuckles, we've got the
privet, we've got you know likea dozen different things that
just don't belong there at all.
But it it what?
What I'm saying is it just likeblows me away the diversity of,
like natural things that arethere and as we've created those
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edges, I think somehow it'sallowed for, like where we only
had, like.
I'll use the rattlesnake masteras an example.
Are you familiar with that?
No, it's a really cool lookingplant.
I'll look it up.
Um, but there was only one fora couple years and then we kept
that up and kept those edges andthen along the edge we started
to have some more pop up andthere it is okay.
(36:35):
Yeah, it's cool, can?
you see, it looks like thatsilvery yeah, it's pretty cool
yeah, so anyway, yeah, there'sall kinds of stuff out there
like that, and I think whatwe're going to have to do is
just rip almost most of it out,because to really start like we
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need to, we're going to have toget rid of those invasives that
have gotten it.
TJ Virden (37:01):
Taken over.
Yeah Well, the thing is likethere's different ways to do it,
but like when I talked to do it, but like when I talked to
quill forever, they were saying,hey, if you do come in with
like glyphosate or something fora couple rounds and then
disturb the soil or do like awith a with a disc, or if you
come in with like fire orsomething, you know that seed
(37:22):
bank goes back 50, 60, howevermany, maybe even longer, 100
years.
When you run that fire or thatstuff over it and then it starts
popping back up, there's notelling what you're going to
come come away with.
Yeah, just because, like I wastelling you the other day, some
of those seeds requirescarification.
Yeah, and so basically they'renot going to do anything until
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they have some past theiranimal's body they hit with a
disc broken up.
Or they're not going to doanything until they have some
past their animal's body theyhit with a disc broken up, or
they're having a fire ran overthem.
Somehow they've got to be likeroughed up and manipulated
before they will actually popback up, and so they're saying
that you don't really know whatyou got, you just like run fire
through it once.
You just see you know, maybemaybe you get more non-natives,
(38:04):
or maybe you get less you know,just depending on what's there.
Danny Williams (38:13):
Well, here's the thing.
It's not like some of thatstuff.
I've actually like mode, and soit's like all the exposed, like
I don't know body of the vine,like the vine, you know what I
mean Like, and so I think Icould probably get a one of
those, like fence torches orwhatever, and just try it Like
just burn one.
(38:33):
You know, burn it, burn one areaand then do something else with
another.
Or, you know, and just see, Ithink we've got enough space and
enough time.
We can do some.
Uh, what am I trying to say?
TJ Virden (38:47):
Experimentation on that kind of stuff?
Yeah, think so too, and youknow that's what we've been
talking about.
You know the windowsill to athousand acres idea of like
everybody can participate inhabitat stuff, yeah, well, you
know, daniel's got the yard andthe subdivision, you know you
got three acres, nathan's goteight acres billy jill's got 40
acres, I got 250.
You know, to me I think it'scool that, no matter what size,
you got three acres.
Nathan's got eight acres.
Billy joe's got 40 acres I got250.
You know, to me I think it'scool, but no matter what size
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you got to play with that andsee how to best you know, use it
for the for yeah, for food, forhabitat and all these things.
Danny Williams (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's the that's.
That's the thing is, I want itall.
I want it all in three acres,yeah yeah, and I'll be doable
honestly, you see somewell-leaned out like acre plots
or quarter-acre plots.
TJ Virden (39:30):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (39:30):
People can make a lot of stuff.
TJ Virden (39:33):
I don't remember what podcast I listened to, but I
listened to a guy who wastalking about he had one acre
and there were four people thatmanaged that one acre of raised
beds and he had done done enoughyears in a row that he knew
exactly how he needed to planeverything in those raised beds
and he was doing a milliondollars in revenue off of that
one acre.
Danny Williams (39:49):
Wow, that's insane.
TJ Virden (39:51):
And it kept him busy for 10 months out of the year.
They would go away for two andkind of do their own thing, come
back, and it was a full-timejob for four people on one acre
yeah.
Daniel Emison (40:02):
I'd have six people and I would take myself
out of the managing.
Danny Williams (40:06):
That's why I've got Daniel in the podcast no
kidding, yeah yeah, no, that'sawesome, I like there are
definitely times when I lookaround and I'm like there's no
way we can.
There's no way we can manage,like if, if what I have in my
head comes to fruition, there'szero chance we can manage all
that.
Daniel Emison (40:25):
Well, you just get some else.
Danny Williams (40:26):
Well, and then I think.
And then I think well, we havecommunity and the way that we're
doing things is that they justkind of I mean, you need to
prune and whatever else, butlike, if you get a little behind
and get it like I guess I'mrealizing I don't have to worry
about it too much Like, whateverfalls on the ground, let nature
have it.
(40:47):
You know, if it feels likewe're not going to be able to
harvest enough, like just tellpeople to come out and get what
they want to get.
You know, at some point I'dlike it to be a marketable kind
of thing.
But it's like you know, andmaybe that'll be for my kids,
maybe that'll be perfect for mykids when they're the age to
start working.
Daniel Emison (41:06):
Yeah.
Danny Williams (41:07):
To to, to be involved in the process, to
harvest the fruit and to sit upat the farm stand.
You know, maybe that'ssomething that'll happen Cool.
Daniel Emison (41:16):
But like that food forest that he did, like
there's zero, maintaining thatthing that you know you talking
about the one in Pennsylvaniathat you know.
You're talking about the one inpennsylvania yeah, yeah, yeah
like there's zero maintainingand it's making tons of fruit
still.
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, set it up right.
Maybe you don't do much work.
TJ Virden (41:31):
Yeah, I think the way I view mine, because I have 250
and so it's really likedaunting, I feel, any times yeah
it's kind of like what you weresaying with the kids is that
sometimes you just got to putdown a fishing pole.
You know you just got to atsome point just be like, hey,
it's okay to not do anything,I'm going to do what I can do
when I can do it and be okay.
You know how do you eat anelephant?
(41:52):
One bite at a time.
Danny Williams (41:53):
One bite at a time.
TJ Virden (41:54):
Yeah, and I listened to a podcast not too long ago
with these guys and I thinkthey're just like habitat for
deer you know kind of thing.
But he was saying that he wouldgo out for the longest and he
had a big parcel of land, kindof like I do, and so he would go
out and he would take an acreand he might go in and thin out
the trees.
You know, he was just likereducing his basal area and so
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he would go out and reduce thenumber of trees and give an acre
and just flag it off and he'ddo one a night you know, know,
and then he would just go to thenext one and go to the next one
and before long he had done,you know, his 200 acres or
whatever he was doing, becausehe had done it one day at a time
.
Yeah, so I think that's theapproach that I have to take,
because if not, I get so I don't.
Danny Williams (42:37):
I do so much thinking and planning and you
know like you just gotta get todoing yeah yeah, that's it and I
and well, to a degree, becauseI also have a tendency to get
impatient and go off half cockedon something and so right now
we're in this stage where I wantto just do so bad, but right
now we are like the thing to dofor us is to scale out the
(43:01):
property on paper, replicatethat enough times where we have
layers, you know, because wedon't have a CAD system.
So we're going to do it oldschool, on a big graph paper and
um and like, we're going togrid off the property.
I'm going to use snow stakesaround the property to grid off,
so that we have, we canvisualize things, yeah, and
we're trying to develop a masterplan for our property because
(43:24):
now we're like, well, we need to, we need to invest in
infrastructure, we need to runwater across the road and get it
, you know, like just one fail,swoop, rent the trencher and
just get a thousand foot of piperun to all the different places
where we're probably going towant water, and to do that with
any kind of you know and not beshooting yourself in the foot,
(43:46):
then you need to have a masterplan, you need to know, kind of,
where things are going to endup, and so that's challenged us
to stop and really think throughsome things.
Um, but we're getting there, soI think we're, you know, but
that's it, as I'm having to.
That's an example of having tolike it's easy to be like well,
just, you got to do it one biteat a time.
(44:06):
But you know, you need to be alittle strategic about the bites
you're taking too, because wetalked about earlier, like doing
things that are going to buildon the next thing, like is the
thing I'm about to do justsomething to feel like I'm doing
something, or is it going tomake the next thing easier?
You know?
TJ Virden (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, because, like you were talking about the,
was it the Centropic Food Force, where you're like planting
everything at the same time?
Danny Williams (44:29):
There's a lot of planting that has to go into
that.
Tons of planting.
TJ Virden (44:33):
I probably wouldn't be good at that.
Daniel Emison (44:34):
Well, that's a market there you could do.
If you could figure that outvery well, you could help people
do it.
Danny Williams (44:48):
You know, I just started, I actually I hate
technology.
Uh yeah, I well love, haterelationship.
Ai like I'm like screw off.
I wish it didn't exist, but itdoes.
So I started yeah, well, soI've started so I started yeah,
I'm sure I mean listen, I like Iget it.
I've just been, I'm slow tostuff like that, I don't want to
(45:11):
, I don't want it to be there,so I just pretend like it didn't
exist.
So, anyway, so I got chat GPTand I'm like all right, let's
see how this works.
I'm going to be like I wouldlike a list of, like a
comprehensive and diverse listof plants that I would need to
establish a centropic foodforest in central Arkansasansas,
and it's just like you know twoseconds upper story, lower
story, blah blah, and I readthrough it all and I'm like uh,
I want more diversity in nuttrees and fruit or whatever and
(45:34):
so I'm like all right and I'm.
So.
It's like I'm gonna start witha list, and we have it and let's
take my money yeah, we have itin in like sections or whatever,
and so then it's like all right, now I know what seeds to order
, now I know how many trees youknow.
And so we're getting busy onlike planning.
Usually, when I sit down toplan something, I'm, I'm, I'm
(45:54):
too overwhelmed yeah, that'swhat's helped me with.
Daniel Emison (45:57):
Honestly.
It's helped me kind of likefocus in and like like I can get
it to do a certain thing andthen then I can, like you know,
like dive into it a little bitmore now that I've got an idea
of where to go.
Danny Williams (46:08):
Gives you an awesome foundation or jumping
off point.
Daniel Emison (46:11):
Yeah it's been awesome.
I like it.
You can ask it to help you withyour business plan.
You got your ideas.
TJ Virden (46:16):
I need to use it more so.
Daniel Emison (46:18):
I have the $20 a month thing and you can actually
talk to it, you, you click itit's like literally just talking
to it and you can cut it offand it'll stop and listen and
add to the conversation that'scool it's super cool I haven't
done the monthly.
TJ Virden (46:33):
Yeah, I may have to do it at some point it's.
Danny Williams (46:35):
It's really cool monthly with chat, gpt or a
different one.
It's gpt, yeah, yeah, and Iknow there's all kinds of or
something I don't remember whatit is.
Daniel Emison (46:43):
But yeah, you can just click it and she can talk
to you and you just kind of likehave a conversation as you're
driving.
She can just be rattling offstuff and then you can go back
and get the transcript.
Oh really, yeah.
Danny Williams (46:53):
That's cool.
I decided to.
I've had a tattoo idea for along time, for like a half
sleeve.
I don't know if I'll ever pullthe trigger on it, but, um, I
was like.
You know, I've started drawingstuff out a few times and so I
was like I want to see I seepeople do all these AI generated
, you know, images.
So I'm going to try to see whatthat can do for me Such a
(47:16):
ridiculous waste of time, Likeit was not.
You know, it is doing work.
I mean I'm sure oh really yeah,I'm sure if you had the right AI
tool and you spend enough timewith the prompts, maybe, but I
was probably asking it to dosomething it didn't want to do
anyway, I tried that with ourwebsite that we've been building
.
TJ Virden (47:34):
Because they have the images, it'll automatically
build.
Like in Wix, you can use AI andit sucked yeah.
Daniel Emison (47:43):
I think there's some that are better than those.
I don't think chat GPT is therewith this yeah.
It kind of gives you like, ifyou just need, like, some idea,
it can come up with some wackystuff.
Danny Williams (47:51):
Really.
Daniel Emison (47:51):
Yeah, I haven't played with it a whole lot, but
yeah, I usually make like littlememes for people out of it.
Danny Williams (48:01):
Yeah, when I was starting to look.
TJ Virden (48:03):
I uh played around like I like the voice of this
guy, but he's really wordy andyou know, even for adults he's
like wordy.
But then pair that with like drseuss and have it write a
children's book on.
Conservation.
Did that and it was like crazy.
Danny Williams (48:20):
Yeah, you actually was like it was good.
Yeah, it was good oh, dang, Ihave it.
You did that on gpt ordifferent On chat.
Gpt, no way.
Daniel Emison (48:27):
Yeah.
Danny Williams (48:27):
I'm going to have to start being more
creative about it.
Daniel Emison (48:29):
I have it right, the girl's stories, like they
want bedtime stories, and I'lljust have it like.
I'll just give it a scenario ofwhat I want it to do.
Danny Williams (48:41):
And I'll name it .
TJ Virden (48:42):
Yeah, I'll read it to them.
Daniel Emison (48:42):
Yeah, I can tell how many words I want.
I want a 3,000 word, one or1,000 word one Tell them about
the bunny contract.
Oh yeah.
So Kirsten Teagan wanted abunny and you know, like I'm not
taking care of another animal,like we got a dog, it was their
dog and not my dog.
You know, I had ChatGPT make mean official contract of all the
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things she's got to do to takecare of this bunny and if it
doesn't, it goes back to theplace it came from.
We signed it and all that.
But it lists out all the thingsyou've got to do for a bunny and
keep it healthy and happy, andall this.
So we have a signed contractfor that.
That's awesome.
Danny Williams (49:23):
So as soon as the bunny's sad, then it's like
go back.
Daniel Emison (49:26):
Yeah, it's out of here.
Danny Williams (49:26):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (49:28):
I think it's cool .
Danny Williams (49:30):
That is cool.
I'm going to have to rethinkhow I look at that.
Daniel Emison (49:33):
It's not going anywhere.
It's just going to get betterand better and NVIDIA's doubling
down on it.
Danny Williams (49:37):
Yeah, that's interesting.
That makes me want to play alittle bit.
Yeah, because I see whereyou're going.
Daniel Emison (49:44):
Well, the better prompts you get the more
accurate it gets and it canlearn like you too.
You can ask it to start likelearning how you talk and how
you ask questions, and it will.
It'll start Just ask it to askyou a question before it answers
and it'll get more in depth foryou.
TJ Virden (49:58):
Yeah, it's cool, that's pretty cool.
Danny Williams (50:02):
I always tell it All these weird starts and
stops.
Daniel Emison (50:05):
I guess, yeah, I tell it, don't answer the
question until you focus in onIf.
I'm asking a question, I'll saydon't answer it until you can
confirm what I'm asking, orwhatever.
So, it'll kind of ask probingquestions to make sure it's
understanding what you'rewanting.
Danny Williams (50:25):
Really yeah.
TJ Virden (50:26):
Maybe we need to like feed it, the podcast feed, and
see if it can make sense out ofthis whole thing.
Daniel Emison (50:31):
What is this podcast?
TJ Virden (50:32):
about.
Can you stitch this podcasttogether and make something out
of it?
Daniel Emison (50:37):
Wow, let's get about 10 o'clock.
We probably better wrap it.
Danny Williams (50:42):
Hey, Tom, Floss when you're having.
I got in a sketch situation yesterday and I
was like what do I do now, youknow, and it kind of like
dropped and the way that itended up when I was making like
my last cut, I was like thismight be man from snowy river.
Like my son over here might befixing to watch me get crushed
by a tree.
But luckily it didn't turn outthat way.
TJ Virden (00:29):
Hi, but luckily it didn't turn out that way.
Hi, this is TJ Verdon.
Daniel Emison (00:31):
This is Daniel.
TJ Virden (00:32):
Inneson, and this is the Natural Obsession Podcast.
One thing that Daniel and Italked about, like when we were
in the coffee shop meeting withyou the other day.
I was like why in the heckdon't we just go ahead and
(00:56):
record while we were sittingthere, you know, and having
normal conversations, instead oflike trying to do what we're
doing and come up with things?
Daniel Emison (01:00):
Because then we could have little clips and
little you know spices to putinto teas, into teasers or
whatever.
TJ Virden (01:06):
It's nice and it's more natural when you're doing
that yeah, so the quail eggsfarm-raised quail, we should be
which, since we're talking aboutyeah you know the species and
making sure they're around andwell being endangered and stuff.
I don't know if they'reactually on the list, but
they're, you know, at leastsuffering make sure they know
we're not going out in natureand robbing quail eggs?
Danny Williams (01:25):
Yeah, we're not robbing quail eggs.
TJ Virden (01:26):
These are from a farm , but Jeremiah Brown in Ferndale
provided these pickled quaileggs that we're actually
munching on here Pretty good man, Very good.
Good stuff.
Daniel Emison (01:35):
You can't see us munching on them anymore,
because we turned the video off.
TJ Virden (01:38):
Yeah, and I think that goes back to our
conversation we were havingearlier about people doing
things that are more natural andstuff.
You know, he's another one ofthose people that we're
connected with that's just doingsomething that's not normal,
you know, yeah, living off theland.
Danny Williams (01:55):
Is he Like how?
TJ Virden (01:57):
much.
I mean I would have to talk toJesse to find out how much he's
actually doing.
But I know he's like doing hisown lumber and stuff these days.
Oh cool, like he's going outand cutting like timber.
So he's got his own sawmill,got that set up, he's got
chickens and he's got quail andhe's got other animals that he's
like raising for meat andraising for eggs and that sort
of thing.
Nice, and so he's definitelytrying to live more self-sustain
(02:20):
.
Daniel Emison (02:20):
Yeah, true, super cool.
I just don't know how youtransition that into like
everyday people, like in thesuburbs.
You know you can have threechickens in Little Rock, I think
, but it'd be nice to figure outhow you could get that
accessible to everybody.
In Little Rock over by the TwoRivers Park they have like
little gardens you can rent likethose spots.
(02:42):
That's cool, but it'd be niceto because the likelihood of
going over there consistently.
You know gardens you can rentlike those spots.
That's cool, but it would benice to because you know the
likelihood of going over thereconsistently.
Probably not very good when youhave to drive 30 minutes over
there.
Danny Williams (02:50):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (02:50):
If you could do your yard that way, that would
be super cool Looking like yourfarmer's market or here in
Conway like your Bell UrbanFarms.
TJ Virden (02:58):
You know those people .
You know not everybody wants togrow things and go to the work
that we're talking about because, like Danny said, it takes a
lot of work and stuff.
But there are people who arewilling, like if somebody else
is willing to go to the workthey're willing to pay that
person for the work.
I think Jeremiah is charging$12 or $15 a jar for these, but
(03:18):
some people are charging like $1an egg for quail eggs.
He's not charging as much aswhat?
Danny Williams (03:26):
they are fancy.
Daniel Emison (03:27):
But you know, would you sell these eggs for
you know, 50 cents a piece afteryou've taken all the work, yeah
you know, I get it yeah yeah,it's like man, that's a lot of
work well, and you gotta feedthem and you gotta you know
house them and yeah all that,there's a lot of going and I
think, as long as people arefinding that value, like that
valuable which I do you know,house them and all that, there's
a lot of going on and I think,as long as people are finding
that value, like that valuablewhich I do you, know, you know,
(03:48):
knowing where it came from,preferably knowing it was raised
without a bunch of you know GMOcorn and all this other things.
you know I'll pay more for that,definitely.
TJ Virden (03:58):
All day long.
Danny Williams (03:59):
There there's a a genuine movement towards all
these things that we're talkingabout.
That's been happening for awhile.
It's building steam, and the,the catalog of information
that's available in easilydigestible forms like youtube
videos, is insane, and there'smore and more all the time yeah
and I think one of the many,many goals that we have for our
(04:25):
property is, like my wife when Istarted talking about all this
craziness, I just like the wholeproperty, just like food
production and pollinator andall that kind of stuff.
Daniel Emison (04:37):
Oh shoot.
Danny Williams (04:37):
No, she was like no, she didn't Cause.
She was like I want, I wantsunshine and flowers and I want
space and all you know.
And then she was like I want, Iwant sunshine and flowers and I
want space and all you know.
And then she was like you know,those things are like.
They're like when people do thenatural way, it's ugly.
I'm like who you like, who youthink you're talking to like
yeah you know I'm gonna make itlike that's.
I'm not gonna be cool with that.
So like we're, everything inthe front of our home and around
(04:59):
the side is all like pockets.
It's like it's gonna be alllike pockets of like tree guilds
and everything landscape thatwe've got is all gonna be either
natural, medicinal, edible,native, you know, but uh, but
balanced and beautiful.
Like why can't?
I mean sure I'm gonna have some.
(05:20):
Like I'm a landscape guy andI've always loved like bonsai.
I'm to have like 10 differentvarieties of Japanese maples
hidden around my property.
There's going to be you knowthere's stuff that really low
maintenance and um and and likefeasible that people, enough
(05:52):
people because of the thepublic's general awareness and
awakening like to all thesethings, it's hard to really kind
of yeah you know, put it simply, but like people are moving
towards the, the natural yeah.
Daniel Emison (06:07):
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think that there's abig movement toward that all of
a sudden?
And it's over the past fewyears, but I see it too yeah.
Danny Williams (06:15):
Well, I think there are those that have been
championing these things likeall along but um, and you know
things like social media andYouTube and all that stuff it
helps to get these things outthere, right but then also
people like I'm not.
(06:35):
For a period of my life I wasreally hyper focused on the
political world.
I'm not.
Now I've come to a place whereI can kind of be at peace with,
like, god's sovereignty and allthat, so I don't really worry
too much about it.
But things that have happenedover the last let's just say,
(06:58):
you know, less than a decade,but especially the last five or
six years, have just caused alot of people to just start
questioning all the things thatthey assumed is true.
And I think the more thatpeople are seeking truth, it's
leading them to these thingsNatural stuff, yeah.
Daniel Emison (07:13):
That's kind of what I was thinking Like, you
know, mental health issues.
There's so many of them now,like chronic illnesses, so many
of them now.
This wasn't a thing back, youknow, not too long ago.
Yeah, now it's just likeeverything's rampant.
Everybody's trying to figureout, like, how do we fix this?
And I think going the naturalpath would probably be the best
answer.
TJ Virden (07:32):
yeah, yeah, definitely um, you were talking
about building bat boxes earlierand so one of the things that,
like when quail forever came out, you know I was kind of upset
with because we got the 250acres, you know and.
I've got tons of shag barkhickory on the place and so I
(07:53):
was like what about all this?
You know, it's good for nothing.
What am I going to do with this?
And they're like oh no, it'snot good for nothing.
They're like bats nest in shagbark hickory.
They'll get up under the barkReally.
Daniel Emison (08:04):
Yeah, and nest in that.
Danny Williams (08:05):
How cool is that ?
So we have several speciesBecause they only need like a
quarter inch or half an inch,something like that.
TJ Virden (08:10):
And so I have tons of shagbark hickory.
And you know, when you standout by our pond at night, bats
are going crazy.
That's awesome.
I never thought Like.
I always, but no, it's probablythe hickory trees.
Heck yeah, that I was ready tocut down.
Danny Williams (08:23):
Don't you be cutting down that show?
I know?
TJ Virden (08:25):
And then also, like I was watching a thing the other
day, we have the Crooked GateFarm up in north central
Arkansas by us and they aredoing, or they did, like some
syrup out of that, and sobasically Out of what the bark
They'll take the bark, really,the bark.
Danny Williams (08:41):
They'll take the bark.
TJ Virden (08:42):
Really.
Yeah, they boil it down andmake this cool syrup and it's
supposed to be like high, like asweet syrup.
Danny Williams (08:47):
Yeah, really.
TJ Virden (08:48):
Yeah, I think you know, obviously they add like
sugar or something to it, butit's supposed to be like high.
I think it was a magnesium orsomething like that for the bark
.
Daniel Emison (08:55):
But anyway, you know, maybe add honey to it
instead of sugar.
Danny Williams (08:58):
Yeah that's one of the many reasons I love my
wife, because she's the one likeI don't like those facts Like
you just mentioned, like they'rein one ear, out the other.
Like I, I don't spend, I spend,I think.
I think I spend most of mybrain power trying to figure
things out and not retain them.
Yeah Right, I have like I don'tretain things.
(09:20):
Well, but like my wife is likethe my walking and cyclopedia.
You know, I'll ask her thequestions cause she's been.
It's funny you should have heron at some point because I
didn't think yeah maybe.
TJ Virden (09:37):
Yeah, that'd be fun.
We're not one of the other, youknow it'd probably be I think
it would be.
Daniel Emison (09:39):
I think I'd enjoy it.
Danny Williams (09:40):
Yeah, um, but you know she started out by just
walking around the yard andshe's like oh Dan, did you know
that you?
She would always be like didyou know you can eat dandelions
in the root and whatever?
And then, like, she startedteaching Piper this stuff.
So I come outside one dayseveral years ago five, six and
Piper's little and she's eating.
We have all these hostas andthe kind of shady part in the
(10:02):
back of the yard.
I walk out there and she'seating flowers off hostas and I
was like what are you doing?
She's like it's okay, you caneat them.
And I was like says who?
She's like mom, you can eat anypart of the hosta, you can eat
the flowers in the back exactlyuh, but but she started walking
(10:27):
around.
She would do what they call likeyard foraging or something like
that.
Or we're gonna make a yardsalad and so we would supplement
our salad with like all thesedifferent, like you know, greens
from from the yard, that's cooland that was kind of how she
started.
She got an app that you canidentify like a plant
identification app and anytimewe'd be hiking or anything,
anything that caught her eye,she'd see.
(10:48):
She'd see what it was and she'dbe like does this have
medicinal?
value food value any use.
Yeah and um, she's been doingthat for years now and um, I
think it's super awesome becausewe've been following the things
that we're interested in inapart from one another
individually, and to see howthey work together so well is
(11:10):
just super awesome.
I think that's cool.
TJ Virden (11:12):
Yeah, it is yeah, I think brianna's coming on board
with.
You know the things that we'redoing at the farm too.
She's.
She's all about wanting to have, like a wildflower fields and
that sort of thing throughoutthe farm you know, and then
she's all all about whatever Iwant to do.
You know, usually when dad and Iare doing some deer habitat
(11:33):
projects, we make sure to dosome cleaning up around the barn
, you know taking out somelocust trees and stuff right
there, right, so we try to havea good balance of like
beautification, you know andalso habitat improvement you
know which is you know, a lot oftimes when you're doing habitat
improvement, it's not reallybeautiful Because we're talking
like burning hinge cutting, youknow, fire breaks, you know all
(11:58):
that kind of stuff, and that'snot always pretty or fun for the
other half.
Daniel Emison (12:03):
I want to be out there for the fire burn.
TJ Virden (12:05):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (12:06):
I want us to do that.
TJ Virden (12:07):
Billy Joe, my brother actually started some yesterday
at his place.
He did some burns and so wewere talking.
You know, I've got the dozerand stuff now, so we're talking
about getting up there with thedozer, doing the fireworks and
lighting the whole 250, you knowwe're close to it Really.
Yeah, maybe not all at once butyou know yes, you know we're
talking about.
You know dormant season burnsversus you know other other
(12:31):
seasons, you know which is best.
So you burn at different timesfor different yeah, outcomes and
reasons yeah yeah, so basicallyyou know, if you burn in a
dormant season, you're catchingthe plant when all of its
nutrients are stored at the baseyou know, but if you wait until
, let's say, you've got aninvasive plant that's coming up
and you get all of that into theblooms, all of its energy in
(12:52):
the blooms, then in theory youcan burn those plants at that
point in time and it will knockthem back a lot further than if
you had just burned them in thedormant season yeah, so that's
so.
Danny Williams (13:04):
That's a theory or not a theory?
That's like a truth that I'verecently discovered about
pruning.
So it's the same thing.
Yeah, it's like I was waitinguntil fall to cut all these
invasive trees back, kill themoff.
Yeah, thinking well, it'll beeasier to get in there in the
fall, it'll be cooler.
I, I'd rather work out thereand I'd worry about snakes and
critters and whatnot.
And then you know, I go inthere and then I watch something
(13:27):
and realize like, oh, I'm likeshooting myself in the foot Like
you want them to be like allthe energy up top, cut them down
and you do that a few times andthen they kind of run out of
root energy and that's it.
TJ Virden (13:38):
Yeah, a lot of them will die from that, yeah, into
certain certain size trees, Ithink they say you know smaller
than your wrist and diameter.
A lot of times it'll be killedoff by a fire, depending on what
kind of tree it is too, and howintense the fire is.
Danny Williams (13:52):
Right yeah.
TJ Virden (13:53):
But then you know, once they get to a certain size,
fire stops knocking them back.
And so I think, I think theysay like one, two and three year
or your of growth are actuallythe best to do in burn rotations
, because after three yearsyou're pretty much you know,
don't knock as many things backafter three years and so like,
if you're doing every year, um,then you're going to keep your
(14:14):
stuff shorter and thicker.
You're going to have lots oflike stump shoots and stuff,
woody brows coming up.
Oh yeah, then if you get like atwo-year, then you're gonna get
a little bit higher.
You know some more grassy, youknow taller trees and stuff in
there you so you've talked topeople and done research on.
Danny Williams (14:36):
You know all these things that you're doing
for conservation.
When you talk about, likestumps, shooting up material,
yeah, is that something that isever desired for?
For it Cause like okay.
TJ Virden (14:47):
So, yeah, yeah, so a lot of people.
So they would say that you know, there's I guess there's
different schools of thought,you know, depending on who you
listen to.
But some people say that, like,if you cut and leave the stump,
you're going to get a lot ofthat woody browse coming up in
the first year and so that'sideal habitat for like or not
(15:09):
habitat.
But like food for deer, deer,like love woody browse.
They're kind of like a goat.
Yeah, they would rather have thewoody stemmy browse than
actually grass which is contraryto how people think, because
everybody's trying to plant likea lush food plot and you know
they'll eat some of those thingstoo.
But they like the woody browsenatively and naturally, you know
I'm trying to remember whatthey call it.
Danny Williams (15:28):
there's like like tree hay or something like
that.
Oh yeah, like so.
Um, there's a this permacultureconsultant that I watch
sometimes and he does that'swhere I learned about that
pollarding that I was talkingabout and he'll go through and
harvest, like if you say you cuta tree like three feet, right,
well, it'll send up like fiveshoots this browse you're
(15:48):
talking about Well, he'll gothrough and chop off three of
them and take them with him andleave two and he'll just gather
this and he'll hang it up in thebarn and let it dry, and they
call it tree hay.
And that's what they feed a lotof their animals during the
wintertime.
That's cool.
They feed, you know, a lot oftheir animals, okay.
So like goats yeah, during thewintertime that's cool and it's
actually a lot more likeNutrient, yeah.
(16:09):
Yeah, it's supposed to bereally good for them yeah, yeah,
it's crazy, the things that youknow.
TJ Virden (16:14):
Like I was showing Daniel, we walked up to the top
of the mountain this week.
We were up at the land and wewere looking at the briars you
know the green briars and youcan look at the end where deer
or something has gnawed the endsof it off, and you just don't
think about deer eating thatkind of thing Because it doesn't
look appealing to us.
So we just think it's notappealing to them and it's kind
(16:36):
of one of those indicatorspecies where I'm at.
If you're seeing deer eat thoseyou know like that then you
know that there's not a lot offood anywhere else.
Oh, so so they don't love it.
Well, like it depends on whatstage it's in, like if it was a
tender shoots coming off, ohyeah.
Danny Williams (16:52):
They like that.
But if it's like those wiry,yeah, yeah.
TJ Virden (16:55):
And that's what I had up.
There is, like you can tell,all I green stem and it was
probably eighth inch in diameter, um, and they had still been
gnawing the ends off of that.
You know, and that's you know,and you can look around anywhere
we walked and you know therewas like deadfall everywhere and
a thick, thick layer of umleaves, yeah, on the ground like
(17:18):
decaying and stuff, which isgreat, you know, for the soil
and stuff, but as far as likestuff popping up the deer, I
know animals can eat.
Daniel Emison (17:26):
It's not that great, you know.
And then TJ about killedhimself on all those leaves.
Yeah, I slid down.
TJ Virden (17:31):
I thought I died, but it was just a chainsaw that
took the injury.
Daniel Emison (17:34):
He landed on the chainsaw.
TJ Virden (17:37):
Not running, just to be clear.
Danny Williams (17:38):
Yeah, I got in a sketch situation yesterday.
Oh yeah, yeah I I had like 45minutes before I had to get the
kids to go to church and I justwanted to get outside.
Like I haven't had much time towork on that property it's been
snowing and raining and cold,and you know it's dark at 5
o'clock, and so I was like I'dbeen looking at the trees for a
(18:02):
long time and I was like there'stwo there's one for sure, maybe
two sweet gums that I need totake out.
And they was like there's two,there's one for sure, maybe two
sweet gums that I need to takeout, and they're like 60 plus
feet tall.
They're pretty good, prettygood.
And so I was like, well, I'veseen them do this, like I don't
know what they, I don't knowwhat it's actually called, but
I'll.
It's like a.
It's a cut that you do in atree that basically gives you a
(18:22):
hinge, so you'll have you know.
it's like in and then down yeahand I was like that can't be
that hard, I'm gonna do that.
And I was like I'm gonna justdrop it right here.
Well, so I get out there andI'm like doing one thing and I'm
like, look at that, that's sofreaking cool.
Like all I gotta do is cutthrough here, and it's gonna.
And so I cut through and it andit it was supposed to go this
(18:46):
way and it kind of like droppedand and there's just they're
stuck just just there, yeah,just standing straight up all 60
feet of it.
And I was like son of a gun andI was like what do I do now, you
know?
And so what did I?
At first?
I was like I'm just gonna likethis can't take that much.
(19:07):
It's completely separated allthe way through.
And so I was like I'm justgoing to do like a bear, I'm
going to push it and let it comeback and I'm going to like time
it with the top, you know and Itried and tried, I was like, no
, that ain't going to work.
So then I went and tried to.
Then I went and tried to cutlike a wedge out of what I'd
already done to see if it'd getit to go ahead and go.
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And that didn't work.
And then I was like, oh, thisis sketchy now.
And then so I tried to go upanother foot or so and cut a
wedge out and let it fall thatway, and it kind of did.
But then it like I didn't wantit to go that way.
But I was like I don't knowwhat to do.
And so maybe, no, maybe it wasafter I that's what it was.
When I cut that wedge out of thefront, trying to get it to go
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that way.
It went further that way.
And then there's these two big,like big pine trees and I was
like it's going to go rightbetween them but it's going to
take branches out, like I don'twant that.
And so anyway, it was like thethe harder I tried, the worse it
got.
And then it was like fully likeleaned over, like this, and it
was like, yeah, that could fallliterally anytime.
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I can't leave that like that,you know.
Yeah, I know what the kid'splaying yeah, and the dog, and
who knows, you know.
And so, yeah, I thought likethe way that it ended up.
When I was making my last cut,I was like this might be man
from Snowy River.
Like my son over here might befixing to watch me get crushed
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by a tree.
TJ Virden (20:32):
But luckily it didn't turn out that way got it down.
Danny Williams (20:34):
so, yeah, wow, I always on stuff like that, I'm
always like, oh yeah, like Ilike that's like physics, that's
no problem.
And then it just never goes theway you think.
TJ Virden (20:50):
Sometimes you think of yourself as a bigger
outdoorsman than me.
That's probably true, I'mguilty of that in most areas of
my outdoor activities.
I think I'm a better kayakerthan I am.
I think I'm a better fishermanthan I am Better hunter.
Danny Williams (21:08):
Yeah, I don't know, I think I might.
I might actually go theopposite direction.
Like I think I don't givemyself enough credit a lot of
times cause I didn't grow.
I always tell myself what Ididn't do or what I don't know,
and when I look at it and likeno, I've spent like pretty
decent practical knowledge, likeI feel I can get around a
little bit.
But then when it comes to likeyou know, survival is type of
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stuff I'm like no, that's athat's a skillset that's really
specialized.
I don't, I don't, uh, I don'tthink too highly of my abilities
to just go out and and make ago of it.
Daniel Emison (21:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Danny Williams (21:47):
We're.
If we're out of electricitytomorrow, you're going to be
struggling.
If there's an earthly fear thatI have, it's a freaking EMP
dude.
You know how bad that would be.
Daniel Emison (21:53):
Nobody knows how to like we're going to have to
go to TJ's property.
He better get that thingwhipped up in shape.
Danny Williams (22:00):
We need to get some food for us baby.
We need to get some comms.
I want to be in on that.
Daniel Emison (22:04):
I want to have a safe place.
TJ Virden (22:05):
There's we need to get some comms.
I want to be in on that.
I want to have a safe place.
Yeah, yeah, there's.
There's a lot of stuff to do.
You know you're talking about.
You know what you got to do onthree acres, which is daunting
just in itself.
Danny Williams (22:16):
Yeah, even a yard is daunting, you know I
really want to do it right, butthen 250 acres is like a whole
nother animal.
Yeah, you know it's funnybecause, like I know, like you
you've, I mean 250 is that's abig deal.
I know some people recentlythat have bought 10 and 20, you
know acres, 40 acres, and Ireally like one of my and
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another one of my ambitions is,uh, to like I was like, well, if
I can't, I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna own I mean maybe I'm
probably not.
Another one of my ambitions is,uh, to like I was like, well,
if I can't.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna own.
I mean, maybe I'm probably notgonna own anything like that.
Daniel Emison (22:52):
Most likely.
Danny Williams (22:55):
I mean, you know , we got set back so hard with
everything, like we just startedback from nothing.
Daniel Emison (23:03):
Most super wealthy people do Maybe.
So I mean, I have no idea, Idid your business.
Now I think it could take offhuge.
Danny Williams (23:09):
Yeah, I think I think my, like I'm the limiting
factor, for sure, but the more I, the more I learned to slow
down and listen.
The more I learned to slow downand listen, the more I think
that those things are totallypossible.
Um, because I just, you know,when you're trying to do things
(23:33):
on on your for me, I try to dothings on my own I'm like
scattered and, you know, fearfuland everything else.
And it's like the more open Iam and the more I slow down and
listen, the more that, like God,shows me these.
Maybe we'll call them lifehacks, that's what the internet
would call like life hacks.
But you know, just these mindshifts like you don't have to
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have all the trucks and trailersand equipment and people, like
you can, like you can use thecommunity around you to do those
things.
Like you can plan well anddesign well and build a team for
a project Like.
That's a pretty big um.
Before I would have been tooscared to do that.
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What if they let me down?
What if they don't come through?
But it's like I've just startedbuilding relationships with
people and what's really cool isthe people that work with me
want to work with me again,cause it turns out, most
contractors are kind ofbuttholes Shady.
Daniel Emison (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, and so that's true.
I've always said that, yeah,find a good contractor, but you
better hang on to them, becauseit is hard to find good ones.
Danny Williams (24:35):
Yeah, and that's that's.
It's below my mind and theproject's just getting bigger
and bigger and I'm starting totrust that God brings the right
ones along at the right time soI don't have to worry that the
right ones aren't here right nowthat I feel like would be the
right ones, because when I'mready they'll be here.
(24:57):
I actually kind of believe that.
So, I don't know, but all I'msaying is right now it it's not
in the.
You know, I'm just like I'mtrying to be present with my
three acres.
And but.
But I've got people like youand my friend Harrison that just
bought that 10 acres inGreenbrier and and it's like,
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well, shoot Like if I startdoing the things that I want to
do anyway, like you know, like.
So, for example, this airpruning have you ever heard of
an air pruning bed?
TJ Virden (25:33):
I'd never heard about it.
Danny Williams (25:35):
I'd never heard about it before, but I know that
, like when you plant somethingin a slick wall pot, the roots
just go around and around andget them all Like I buy nursery
stock sometimes and I'm likegosh, dang it.
They should have potted this uptwo years ago.
Like it's just like, yeah, it'sjust like, completely like it's
you're, you're screwed.
(25:56):
Before you get started, likeit's really hard for that tree
to do right now and unless youlike, cut all the roots and hope
that it doesn't shock it toobad and let it grow, it start.
So in like this method you likeyou can do it in pots or you
can do it in a tray.
What I'm talking about is justgetting them started from seed.
And so you'll have a box, youknow, say three feet by two feet
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by six or eight inches deep,and then you'll have like
something underneath it, likesome upturned two by fours or
some two by two material to justkeep it up off the ground.
And then underneath it you'vegot what do they call it?
That, like you know, quarterinch wire mesh fence.
(26:43):
Yeah, but it's like the quarterinch, like the you know real
small kind of stuff.
So you'll have like a layer ofthat, you'll have like a layer
of shade cloth and then likesome kind of concrete cloth or
whatever.
So it allows water and oxygento go in and out.
But when those and then you'llplant these seeds, and when the
roots get down to that level,rather than shooting off this
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way or that way or circlingaround it, they hit the air and
it prunes them.
So, like when you see a tree,like on the side of a really
steep hill, the tree doesn'thave roots sticking out the side
here that are just like growingwhere they normally would Like.
They're not going to grow intoair and so it.
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Like it, it's just a way to keepthese.
You know, things happen withthe roots that don't need to
happen and then so, like, in abox the size I was talking about
, you could plant 300 trees andand grow them to a start, like a
12 to 18 inch start, and theycan just be packed in there and
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then you can pull them all apartand you can put them in pots or
however you want to do it, andso, like, I love the idea of
talking to people like you andHarrison and be like hey, as you
are expanding as you're, asyou're expanding, as you're
looking at, as you're assessingyour property and figuring out
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like, oh, it sure would be niceif we had more of these or more
of that, or whatever, then Iwould love to like I don't, like
, I don't know.
This year we're working oninfrastructure.
It's like I want to get the airpruning beds going.
I want to get water runeverywhere we need it to run.
I need to get the chicken cooppermanent thing built and I need
some sort of shade house orsomething where I can start just
, uh, putting like nursery stockin and keeping it kind of out
(28:34):
of the weather, and then wemight do a high tunnel, so on
and so forth.
Uh, and so I'd love to.
I mentioned seeds.
I'd love to start saving, youknow, a huge diversity of seeds
and have like a seed bank thatwe can help people get started
that way.
But also, with these trees, youknow, if you can, if you can, I
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can walk around in the woods inspring and start well, or or
start taking cuttings.
TJ Virden (29:01):
Like I can do.
Danny Williams (29:02):
You can get a bunch of cuttings off of one
tree, so I could go and findthis shag bark, you know, and
and take several cuttings off ofit.
Or I can just order seeds orwhatever and just really scale
up for like nothing, cause if Iorder 300 of those, you know
saplings like that, they're notvery expensive but they're going
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to be a few bucks each at least, like four or five bucks each,
you know, like that's 12, 1500bucks for 300 trees or I could
spend almost no time and 20 onseeds.
And there they are, and sothat's what I was like, that's,
that's what we're gonna have todo, and I would love to be able
to.
Once we have that, like thespace and the technique and
(29:47):
everything down, then I couldscale that up and be able to be
able to provide people you know,people like you with the native
trees that they want to putaround the property.
TJ Virden (29:57):
Yeah, so my property would be a good opportunity for
that, just because I've got acouple of different species that
are a little bit more rare,like I've got chink of Pinocchio
there, which you know is reallyjust found kind of through the
Ozarks.
Yeah, you know, and it's not.
I don't think it's found muchsouth of where I am.
Could be wrong, but I don'tthink so From the research I've
(30:18):
done.
Anyway, but I've got a lot ofthem, so it'd be really cool to
get some of those.
Danny Williams (30:22):
I've got some gum trees.
Daniel Emison (30:27):
You want be really cool to get some of those
.
Danny Williams (30:28):
I've got some gum trees.
You want any of them.
I don't think anybody wantsthose I know they're finding
what.
TJ Virden (30:30):
Yeah, gum, cedar, hickory trees, I got plenty of
yeah yeah, hackberry too.
I got a lot of hackberry.
Oh yeah, I was watching.
You know that food forest thingyou sent me the other day.
The persimmons that guy wasgrowing were unreal, they were
cool.
Danny Williams (30:43):
Yeah, they were like oh, were they Japanese
persimmons?
I don't know.
TJ Virden (30:48):
It was in that food force Were they big,
peachy-colored looking I thinkthey were Japanese persimmons.
Danny Williams (30:51):
Okay, maybe.
Daniel Emison (30:52):
Yeah, they were huge, they looked good.
Yeah, I was like the persimmonsI've had aren't?
Danny Williams (30:56):
very good.
Yeah, well, you know.
So there was peds, plus therewas a funny cause.
That's where Piper goes, orpediatric, yeah, yeah.
They had in their landscape.
I don't know why, but somebodyin the landscape there they
planted a persimmon tree.
Okay, well, it's an irrigated,you know, automatically
(31:16):
irrigated property.
And so we pulled in there onefall and we're like what the
crap?
This thing was just loaded, wegot gallons of these persimmons
and we have a persimmon tree inour front yard that's probably
50 feet tall and is, I don'tknow, probably 30, 40 years old,
if I had to guess, and weharvest persimmons and make
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bread and stuff every year.
But the difference between justthese persimmons that were
growing on this tree out in themiddle of the yard and the ones
that were getting irrigated allyear, same same variety.
It was a like natural variety,but they were insane.
They were just yeah, just hugeand just like I don't know.
You know it's like peppers Ifyou have a drought, you know.
Or if peppers are dry, they'llbe hotter or whatever.
(32:01):
Yeah, there's something aboutjust like same cultivar but
different environment, it'spretty.
TJ Virden (32:07):
They ended up cutting that down.
Yeah, yeah, too messy.
It's too messy.
Yeah, I wonder what, like, ifyou did that with like a honey
locust.
You know, because the indiansused to use honey locust for
like um sweetener really it's anatural sweetener, yeah really
yeah.
Danny Williams (32:19):
So honey locust is another one on my list for uh
carbon accumulation for likegrowing and chopping.
TJ Virden (32:25):
It's crazy how much it puts off, and even the pods
and stuff that it puts off.
Daniel Emison (32:29):
That's the one with the thorns right.
It is the one with the thorns.
Danny Williams (32:33):
Aurelia is scared about the invasive
species, and I've always beenscared of them too.
But now it's like well, Ibelieve what I see.
And so it's like well, if youplant enough density and
diversity, then there's too muchcompetition.
So, they're only invasive ifyou allow them to be invasive.
So I'm like I'm going to beplanting a lot of stuff that's
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considered invasive because it'sgoing to get me what I want.
TJ Virden (33:00):
Well, when you go to my property, you know you would
think that just going to myproperty and looking at it with
a C-gap and the different thingsthat I've got a lot of natural
habitat.
It's crazy the amount of thingsthat I have growing in the
field that just pop up randomlythat are not natural to where we
are.
Oh really, oh yeah.
Danny Williams (33:19):
Like I would say that you think birds are
primarily the delivery system.
TJ Virden (33:24):
Farming.
Daniel Emison (33:24):
They ran cows on that property for a while.
TJ Virden (33:27):
Probably some birds from different versus some
different things, but I thinkyou know it's probably just a
lot of farming and stuff that'sdone most of it, yeah, but it's,
like I would say, probablygreater than 50% Really Not
invasive but non-native yeah.
Danny Williams (33:42):
Yeah, it's in that little acre and a half.
So you actually I think it wasprobably you that well at first.
So we had this acre and a halfnext to us and nobody had done
anything with it for like ever.
And when we moved into thehouse 10 years ago it was like
getting a little out of controlover there.
Like all the saplings and stuffwere getting up to that like
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one and a half you know, and soI had somebody come in and just
hit it with a tractor, you know,knock it all down.
I paid somebody to mow my theproperty I didn't know and yeah,
cause nobody else was going todo anything with it and I didn't
want it just getting crazy, andso we knocked it down.
And then we did that for awhile, a couple of times a year,
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bush hog it, and then I don'tthink it was on purpose, I think
we were busy or broke orsomething.
I don't know.
I can't remember the time framewhen this was, but we just kind
of let it start doing its thing.
But I wanted the kids to beable to get through it and we
have four-wheeler.
We wanted to ride around, so Istarted mowing to ride around.
So I would like I started mowing, I would mow like a two mower
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wide path through, like around,and then later I'd be like I'll
kind of take it through here andthen.
So we ended up with like allthese kind of paths,
interconnected paths, goingthrough this acre and a half,
and as we did that and likeevery couple weeks I'm on, and
when my wife started doing thisthing, she would walk around the
paths and she would start goingoh, what's that?
What's you know she'll look atit and be like oh, rattlesnake,
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master, or you know like, so wehave so much diversity of
natural stuff that that justlike is doing its thing over
there, and what's what kills meis, I think, because, um, a lot
of it got overtaken by that.
Uh, honeysuckle, yeah Right,and now that's like the bane of
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my existence.
I'm like that dad gunhoneysuckle.
Just, you know, it's like allthat's where it's at and when it
gets a hold, that's it.
You know, yeah, um, but that'sthe invasive, and there's a
handful of invasives in there.
We have.
We had two or three Bradfordpears on our property when we
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bought it.
They're all gone now, but inthe field I have Bradford pears,
we got Bradford pears, we gotthe honeysuckles, we've got the
privet, we've got you know likea dozen different things that
just don't belong there at all.
But it it what?
What I'm saying is it just likeblows me away the diversity of,
like natural things that arethere and as we've created those
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edges, I think somehow it'sallowed for, like where we only
had, like.
I'll use the rattlesnake masteras an example.
Are you familiar with that?
No, it's a really cool lookingplant.
I'll look it up.
Um, but there was only one fora couple years and then we kept
that up and kept those edges andthen along the edge we started
to have some more pop up andthere it is okay.
(36:35):
Yeah, it's cool, can?
you see, it looks like thatsilvery yeah, it's pretty cool
yeah, so anyway, yeah, there'sall kinds of stuff out there
like that, and I think whatwe're going to have to do is
just rip almost most of it out,because to really start like we
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need to, we're going to have toget rid of those invasives that
have gotten it.
TJ Virden (37:01):
Taken over.
Yeah Well, the thing is likethere's different ways to do it,
but like when I talked to do it, but like when I talked to
quill forever, they were saying,hey, if you do come in with
like glyphosate or something fora couple rounds and then
disturb the soil or do like awith a with a disc, or if you
come in with like fire orsomething, you know that seed
(37:22):
bank goes back 50, 60, howevermany, maybe even longer, 100
years.
When you run that fire or thatstuff over it and then it starts
popping back up, there's notelling what you're going to
come come away with.
Yeah, just because, like I wastelling you the other day, some
of those seeds requirescarification.
Yeah, and so basically they'renot going to do anything until
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they have some past theiranimal's body they hit with a
disc broken up.
Or they're not going to doanything until they have some
past their animal's body theyhit with a disc broken up, or
they're having a fire ran overthem.
Somehow they've got to be likeroughed up and manipulated
before they will actually popback up, and so they're saying
that you don't really know whatyou got, you just like run fire
through it once.
You just see you know, maybemaybe you get more non-natives,
(38:04):
or maybe you get less you know,just depending on what's there.
Danny Williams (38:13):
Well, here's the thing.
It's not like some of thatstuff.
I've actually like mode, and soit's like all the exposed, like
I don't know body of the vine,like the vine, you know what I
mean Like, and so I think Icould probably get a one of
those, like fence torches orwhatever, and just try it Like
just burn one.
(38:33):
You know, burn it, burn one areaand then do something else with
another.
Or, you know, and just see, Ithink we've got enough space and
enough time.
We can do some.
Uh, what am I trying to say?
TJ Virden (38:47):
Experimentation on that kind of stuff?
Yeah, think so too, and youknow that's what we've been
talking about.
You know the windowsill to athousand acres idea of like
everybody can participate inhabitat stuff, yeah, well, you
know, daniel's got the yard andthe subdivision, you know you
got three acres, nathan's goteight acres billy jill's got 40
acres, I got 250.
You know, to me I think it'scool that, no matter what size,
you got three acres.
Nathan's got eight acres.
Billy joe's got 40 acres I got250.
You know, to me I think it'scool, but no matter what size
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you got to play with that andsee how to best you know, use it
for the for yeah, for food, forhabitat and all these things.
Danny Williams (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's the that's.
That's the thing is, I want itall.
I want it all in three acres,yeah yeah, and I'll be doable
honestly, you see somewell-leaned out like acre plots
or quarter-acre plots.
TJ Virden (39:30):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (39:30):
People can make a lot of stuff.
TJ Virden (39:33):
I don't remember what podcast I listened to, but I
listened to a guy who wastalking about he had one acre
and there were four people thatmanaged that one acre of raised
beds and he had done done enoughyears in a row that he knew
exactly how he needed to planeverything in those raised beds
and he was doing a milliondollars in revenue off of that
one acre.
Danny Williams (39:49):
Wow, that's insane.
TJ Virden (39:51):
And it kept him busy for 10 months out of the year.
They would go away for two andkind of do their own thing, come
back, and it was a full-timejob for four people on one acre
yeah.
Daniel Emison (40:02):
I'd have six people and I would take myself
out of the managing.
Danny Williams (40:06):
That's why I've got Daniel in the podcast no
kidding, yeah yeah, no, that'sawesome, I like there are
definitely times when I lookaround and I'm like there's no
way we can.
There's no way we can manage,like if, if what I have in my
head comes to fruition, there'szero chance we can manage all
that.
Daniel Emison (40:25):
Well, you just get some else.
Danny Williams (40:26):
Well, and then I think.
And then I think well, we havecommunity and the way that we're
doing things is that they justkind of I mean, you need to
prune and whatever else, butlike, if you get a little behind
and get it like I guess I'mrealizing I don't have to worry
about it too much Like, whateverfalls on the ground, let nature
have it.
(40:47):
You know, if it feels likewe're not going to be able to
harvest enough, like just tellpeople to come out and get what
they want to get.
You know, at some point I'dlike it to be a marketable kind
of thing.
But it's like you know, andmaybe that'll be for my kids,
maybe that'll be perfect for mykids when they're the age to
start working.
Daniel Emison (41:06):
Yeah.
Danny Williams (41:07):
To to, to be involved in the process, to
harvest the fruit and to sit upat the farm stand.
You know, maybe that'ssomething that'll happen Cool.
Daniel Emison (41:16):
But like that food forest that he did, like
there's zero, maintaining thatthing that you know you talking
about the one in Pennsylvaniathat you know.
You're talking about the one inpennsylvania yeah, yeah, yeah
like there's zero maintainingand it's making tons of fruit
still.
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, set it up right.
Maybe you don't do much work.
TJ Virden (41:31):
Yeah, I think the way I view mine, because I have 250
and so it's really likedaunting, I feel, any times yeah
it's kind of like what you weresaying with the kids is that
sometimes you just got to putdown a fishing pole.
You know you just got to atsome point just be like, hey,
it's okay to not do anything,I'm going to do what I can do
when I can do it and be okay.
You know how do you eat anelephant?
(41:52):
One bite at a time.
Danny Williams (41:53):
One bite at a time.
TJ Virden (41:54):
Yeah, and I listened to a podcast not too long ago
with these guys and I thinkthey're just like habitat for
deer you know kind of thing.
But he was saying that he wouldgo out for the longest and he
had a big parcel of land, kindof like I do, and so he would go
out and he would take an acreand he might go in and thin out
the trees.
You know, he was just likereducing his basal area and so
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he would go out and reduce thenumber of trees and give an acre
and just flag it off and he'ddo one a night you know, know,
and then he would just go to thenext one and go to the next one
and before long he had done,you know, his 200 acres or
whatever he was doing, becausehe had done it one day at a time
.
Yeah, so I think that's theapproach that I have to take,
because if not, I get so I don't.
Danny Williams (42:37):
I do so much thinking and planning and you
know like you just gotta get todoing yeah yeah, that's it and I
and well, to a degree, becauseI also have a tendency to get
impatient and go off half cockedon something and so right now
we're in this stage where I wantto just do so bad, but right
now we are like the thing to dofor us is to scale out the
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property on paper, replicatethat enough times where we have
layers, you know, because wedon't have a CAD system.
So we're going to do it oldschool, on a big graph paper and
um and like, we're going togrid off the property.
I'm going to use snow stakesaround the property to grid off,
so that we have, we canvisualize things, yeah, and
we're trying to develop a masterplan for our property because
(43:24):
now we're like, well, we need to, we need to invest in
infrastructure, we need to runwater across the road and get it
, you know, like just one fail,swoop, rent the trencher and
just get a thousand foot of piperun to all the different places
where we're probably going towant water, and to do that with
any kind of you know and not beshooting yourself in the foot,
(43:46):
then you need to have a masterplan, you need to know, kind of,
where things are going to endup, and so that's challenged us
to stop and really think throughsome things.
Um, but we're getting there, soI think we're, you know, but
that's it, as I'm having to.
That's an example of having tolike it's easy to be like well,
just, you got to do it one biteat a time.
(44:06):
But you know, you need to be alittle strategic about the bites
you're taking too, because wetalked about earlier, like doing
things that are going to buildon the next thing, like is the
thing I'm about to do justsomething to feel like I'm doing
something, or is it going tomake the next thing easier?
You know?
TJ Virden (44:23):
Yeah, yeah, because, like you were talking about the,
was it the Centropic Food Force, where you're like planting
everything at the same time?
Danny Williams (44:29):
There's a lot of planting that has to go into
that.
Tons of planting.
TJ Virden (44:33):
I probably wouldn't be good at that.
Daniel Emison (44:34):
Well, that's a market there you could do.
If you could figure that outvery well, you could help people
do it.
Danny Williams (44:48):
You know, I just started, I actually I hate
technology.
Uh yeah, I well love, haterelationship.
Ai like I'm like screw off.
I wish it didn't exist, but itdoes.
So I started yeah, well, soI've started so I started yeah,
I'm sure I mean listen, I like Iget it.
I've just been, I'm slow tostuff like that, I don't want to
(45:11):
, I don't want it to be there,so I just pretend like it didn't
exist.
So, anyway, so I got chat GPTand I'm like all right, let's
see how this works.
I'm going to be like I wouldlike a list of, like a
comprehensive and diverse listof plants that I would need to
establish a centropic foodforest in central Arkansasansas,
and it's just like you know twoseconds upper story, lower
story, blah blah, and I readthrough it all and I'm like uh,
I want more diversity in nuttrees and fruit or whatever and
(45:34):
so I'm like all right and I'm.
So.
It's like I'm gonna start witha list, and we have it and let's
take my money yeah, we have itin in like sections or whatever,
and so then it's like all right, now I know what seeds to order
, now I know how many trees youknow.
And so we're getting busy onlike planning.
Usually, when I sit down toplan something, I'm, I'm, I'm
(45:54):
too overwhelmed yeah, that'swhat's helped me with.
Daniel Emison (45:57):
Honestly.
It's helped me kind of likefocus in and like like I can get
it to do a certain thing andthen then I can, like you know,
like dive into it a little bitmore now that I've got an idea
of where to go.
Danny Williams (46:08):
Gives you an awesome foundation or jumping
off point.
Daniel Emison (46:11):
Yeah it's been awesome.
I like it.
You can ask it to help you withyour business plan.
You got your ideas.
TJ Virden (46:16):
I need to use it more so.
Daniel Emison (46:18):
I have the $20 a month thing and you can actually
talk to it, you, you click itit's like literally just talking
to it and you can cut it offand it'll stop and listen and
add to the conversation that'scool it's super cool I haven't
done the monthly.
TJ Virden (46:33):
Yeah, I may have to do it at some point it's.
Danny Williams (46:35):
It's really cool monthly with chat, gpt or a
different one.
It's gpt, yeah, yeah, and Iknow there's all kinds of or
something I don't remember whatit is.
Daniel Emison (46:43):
But yeah, you can just click it and she can talk
to you and you just kind of likehave a conversation as you're
driving.
She can just be rattling offstuff and then you can go back
and get the transcript.
Oh really, yeah.
Danny Williams (46:53):
That's cool.
I decided to.
I've had a tattoo idea for along time, for like a half
sleeve.
I don't know if I'll ever pullthe trigger on it, but, um, I
was like.
You know, I've started drawingstuff out a few times and so I
was like I want to see I seepeople do all these AI generated
, you know, images.
So I'm going to try to see whatthat can do for me Such a
(47:16):
ridiculous waste of time, Likeit was not.
You know, it is doing work.
I mean I'm sure oh really yeah,I'm sure if you had the right AI
tool and you spend enough timewith the prompts, maybe, but I
was probably asking it to dosomething it didn't want to do
anyway, I tried that with ourwebsite that we've been building
.
TJ Virden (47:34):
Because they have the images, it'll automatically
build.
Like in Wix, you can use AI andit sucked yeah.
Daniel Emison (47:43):
I think there's some that are better than those.
I don't think chat GPT is therewith this yeah.
It kind of gives you like, ifyou just need, like, some idea,
it can come up with some wackystuff.
Danny Williams (47:51):
Really.
Daniel Emison (47:51):
Yeah, I haven't played with it a whole lot, but
yeah, I usually make like littlememes for people out of it.
Danny Williams (48:01):
Yeah, when I was starting to look.
TJ Virden (48:03):
I uh played around like I like the voice of this
guy, but he's really wordy andyou know, even for adults he's
like wordy.
But then pair that with like drseuss and have it write a
children's book on.
Conservation.
Did that and it was like crazy.
Danny Williams (48:20):
Yeah, you actually was like it was good.
Yeah, it was good oh, dang, Ihave it.
You did that on gpt ordifferent On chat.
Gpt, no way.
Daniel Emison (48:27):
Yeah.
Danny Williams (48:27):
I'm going to have to start being more
creative about it.
Daniel Emison (48:29):
I have it right, the girl's stories, like they
want bedtime stories, and I'lljust have it like.
I'll just give it a scenario ofwhat I want it to do.
Danny Williams (48:41):
And I'll name it .
TJ Virden (48:42):
Yeah, I'll read it to them.
Daniel Emison (48:42):
Yeah, I can tell how many words I want.
I want a 3,000 word, one or1,000 word one Tell them about
the bunny contract.
Oh yeah.
So Kirsten Teagan wanted abunny and you know, like I'm not
taking care of another animal,like we got a dog, it was their
dog and not my dog.
You know, I had ChatGPT make mean official contract of all the
(49:07):
things she's got to do to takecare of this bunny and if it
doesn't, it goes back to theplace it came from.
We signed it and all that.
But it lists out all the thingsyou've got to do for a bunny and
keep it healthy and happy, andall this.
So we have a signed contractfor that.
That's awesome.
Danny Williams (49:23):
So as soon as the bunny's sad, then it's like
go back.
Daniel Emison (49:26):
Yeah, it's out of here.
Danny Williams (49:26):
Yeah.
Daniel Emison (49:28):
I think it's cool .
Danny Williams (49:30):
That is cool.
I'm going to have to rethinkhow I look at that.
Daniel Emison (49:33):
It's not going anywhere.
It's just going to get betterand better and NVIDIA's doubling
down on it.
Danny Williams (49:37):
Yeah, that's interesting.
That makes me want to play alittle bit.
Yeah, because I see whereyou're going.
Daniel Emison (49:44):
Well, the better prompts you get the more
accurate it gets and it canlearn like you too.
You can ask it to start likelearning how you talk and how
you ask questions, and it will.
It'll start Just ask it to askyou a question before it answers
and it'll get more in depth foryou.
TJ Virden (49:58):
Yeah, it's cool, that's pretty cool.
Danny Williams (50:02):
I always tell it All these weird starts and
stops.
Daniel Emison (50:05):
I guess, yeah, I tell it, don't answer the
question until you focus in onIf.
I'm asking a question, I'll saydon't answer it until you can
confirm what I'm asking, orwhatever.
So, it'll kind of ask probingquestions to make sure it's
understanding what you'rewanting.
Danny Williams (50:25):
Really yeah.
TJ Virden (50:26):
Maybe we need to like feed it, the podcast feed, and
see if it can make sense out ofthis whole thing.
Daniel Emison (50:31):
What is this podcast?
TJ Virden (50:32):
about.
Can you stitch this podcasttogether and make something out
of it?
Daniel Emison (50:37):
Wow, let's get about 10 o'clock.
We probably better wrap it.
Danny Williams (50:42):
Hey, Tom, Floss when you're having.
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