June 20, 2025 • 63 mins
This is the first time I’ve interviewed someone who lives here on the Island of Sark. Jimmy Martin is an absolute star and it’s a delight to be able to share this beautiful soul with you. We talk about what life is like living here in a tiny community and all the different hats we have to wear. But we juggle all the things so that we can give something back to the island. We have each other’s backs.
People are lovely and it’s important that we remember this in a world where the narrative is forever trying to divide and conquer us. In a world that so often pushes division, it’s vital to remember just how lovely people can be. Community, collaboration, and looking out for one another—these are the keys to building a future where we can all grow and thrive.
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The.
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Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host Jolie Rose.
I'm really excited about today'spodcast.
I'm interviewing the absolutelybloody lovely Jimmy Martin.
He's a beautiful soul, and I'veonly known him.
I mean, I don't, I wouldn't sayI know him that well.
Um, I feel like I know him a lotbetter after recording this
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podcast, but I have known him.
Everyone knows him on theisland.
Um, he's a, a local SAR chap.
He's not from Sark, as you willhear.
But he's very much part of thecommunity here.
everyone knows him.
Absolutely.
Everyone knows Jimmy.
And it's because he does somuch.
He gives so much.
And that's something that isvery prevalent here on sarc.
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And what I think is very key forcommunity is about giving.
There is an element of having tohave boundaries because you can
just give, give, give, and therewill never be an end to the
taking.
You need to, you need to have anelement of, Self-control or know
what you are capable of.
but it is just a joy to be partof such an amazing loving, even
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if we fall out and argue witheach other, like a big,
dysfunctional family.
But there is this amazing familythat we are all part of, and
it's, it's really special and.
It is what I think is the keyfor resilience for the future,
for all of us.
I think that community is key.
I think there's somethingpoetic, ironic, apt about humans
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being the problem, but alsobeing the solution.
It's a bit like the, the venomand anti-venom being doing a
small data of the venom.
There's something about humanscausing all the problems that
we've caused in the world, but.
The thing that is the answer iscommunity and looking after each
other and taking care of eachother, and caring about being
stewards of the land and caringabout our surroundings and
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making sure that we are allhaving a lovely life.
You know, that I think's the keything, and it's why I am here
and it's why I was drawn to thisbeautiful island and to the
people who live here and I lovethem.
And Jimmy is a key characterlinchpin.
Support giver within that mix.
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He's a beautiful person and Iloved doing this podcast with
him.
I fell in love with him andyeah, I'm, I, listening back and
editing it, I was just like, oh,he's such a beautiful person.
And, and I knew he was already,but it was sort of from afar,
whereas now I'm like, now.
Yeah.
I love that boy.
He's a, he's a beautiful beingand um, and I'm so privileged to
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share him with you and for youto get an insight into.
The life and experience andreality of someone who lives
here on sarc.
And I'd like to interview morepeople from Sarrc because
everyone's got an interestingstory to tell as to how they
ended up here and or are fromhere.
And they've got interestingstories to tell as well.
So I'm gonna be peppering,interviews with people from the
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island, as we go along.
And, this is the first, which isreally exciting.
So without further ado, I'mgoing to introduce you to the
awesome Jimmy Martin.
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welcome to the nonsense and theChaos.
I'm interviewing my friendtoday, James Martin, or Jimmy,
as we all know him.
And Jimbo or Jimmy is a bit of alocal hero here on Sark.
Everybody knows who he is.
He used to do all our cartingand.
He works so hard with themedical and emergency services
and is also now in ourgovernment in chief police and
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we are looking at the moment tocreate a radio station.
And so we thought we'd have alittle play and experiment with
getting Jim on the podcast, butalso it's the first time I've
interviewed anyone from sarc, soI've been chatting away about.
What SOC means to me and what Ifeel about it.
But it'd be great to hear abouthow you came to be here and also
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where you're from originally.
'cause you're Scottish, aspeople will hear.
Thank you.
So whereabouts, okay.
Where are you from, first ofall?
Okay.
Tell me about where you're from.
I was born and raised in LittleVillage, in Scotland called
Armidale which is in West Lomore or less in between Glasgow
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and Burgh.
Um, small little farmingvillage.
well it was small anyway, thelast time we went home, just
last year there, it's um, it'skinda expanded.
We're almost like in Glasgow andin Edinburgh at the same time.
Oh, wow.
You know, we're at 12 miles to12 miles along the motorway and
you're in Glasgow, and then 12miles the opposite way.
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You're in Edinburgh.
Wow.
That's pretty much like theperfect spot.
It's, you know, 12 miles theother way.
You end up in ster, you know,so, so we're pretty central to
everything.
12 miles, eh?
Oh, that's cool.
Um, yeah, it's a lovely littleplace, but you know, it's SAR
County over 10 in one my heart.
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So it says Sar not Scotlandanymore, eh?
Yeah.
And when did you move to Sark?
How old were you?
I don't know how old I was, butI, I remember getting here the
year 2000.
Um, you know, we can do somemading up and taking away to get
our age, but Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so yeah.
Ba basically young lad though.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
You've caught me off with thatone.
Um, so yeah, arrived year in theyear 2000, so, you know, I've
been here now 25 years.
Wow.
Um, and I wouldn't consider atall ever moving back to
Scotland.
You know, I, I think Sarka isnow, my home is, and that's
where I will probably end mydays and time, you know?
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Yeah.
It's, um, what brought you herein the first place?
What was it that.
It was a funny little thing.
I went in a job center that wasin between jobs.
Done a wee bit in the armybecause it got medical,
medically defective from there.
Mm-hmm.
Um, some ear injury, anything.
So I needed a job and went inand it was a little, and the job
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center and there was like avacancy for sart.
I'd never heard the SAR before.
I'd heard the Han Islands.
But so, no.
So I thought, I'm gonna applyfor it.
And it was funny, it'd be abarman stocks hotel, what you
started there.
Yeah.
There's another one of themgreat lucky people that managed
to make a career out stocks, youknow, you know, everybody that
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gets employed in stocks, eitherKenny stays or invol or involves
any, something good here, eh.
The stocks hotel for anyonewho's not from the island is
like a, one of our really fancyhotels, and it's been around for
a long time and it brings theseasonal workers over.
And so every year we have aninflux of new people who come to
the island.
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And every year there's alwayssome people who fall in love
with the place and don't leave.
Which is always lovely.
And so you were one of them.
One of them, yeah.
I have many, many good fondmemories, these stocks, some
that I, I couldn't tell you onthe radio because it, it seems
like that's the way witheveryone who works there,
there's always a really goodscore.
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Well, was like, whenever you,you, because I, I was in my
thirties, can you think so?
I was still young.
And you know, it's like they, sothe sar, can he grab you?
And it's the people that grabbedme, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, I never lived by the seabefore.
We knew it was making friendsand they had boats and like,
come on, we'll get in the sea.
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Can anything for a day?
Mm-hmm.
Um, then there's all over islandwhere.
It was like the party scene inthe evening.
I was, it was very hard work tokeep up with.
It was, but I managed and nowcompletely Kenny him clean off
the party scene and Kenny, yeah.
Enjoying life, doing slowlythings that I like to do now,
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eh?
Yeah, so, so what's nice about,so, because he does have both of
those.
Sides to it.
Like people are often surprisedthat I've moved here from
Brighton because obviouslyBrighton was a real party city.
And then to move here,everyone's like, God, it must be
really quiet.
And I'm like, no, it's the deathof me.
This place is such a partyplace.
Yeah.
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It also has the beauty and thecalmness and the there's so much
to do when you're not drinking.
Like I, you know, I'm notdrinking at.
I'm just as busy as when I am,so this is it.
And we're absolutely covered inbeautiful scenery and play.
You know, you Yeah.
Fishing.
You go walk, take your dog out.
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Endless, you know.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's why you're taking the fieldeven.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, so I've done that manyi's done.
It, it's coming up with your ownentertainment.
'cause I think we've got so usedto everything being done for us,
like in normal, what I saynormal in the uk.
I don't think it does seemnormal now.
I live here, the UK doesn't seemnormal.
This feels more real in that yougo fly a kite or you go for a
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walk or you Yeah, you dosomething.
That's what we used to do beforewe had all the digital world
that we now are used to.
Yeah.
Whereas like, yeah, I think ifyou're living in the UK, it's
very easy for it to all bescrolling on your phone or
downloading a video or you know,it is all jumping a car and off
you go with every point, youknow, McDonald's and chain, you
know, just we things.
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But, uh, you know, it's.
Uh, it is great.
You end up learning how to bakecakes and cook your own Sunday
lunches.
Yes.
Yeah.
Entertain your friends bysaying, come to my house and you
know, would you a cook up kindof thing.
Cook up Sunday, you mostenjoyable.
And I've burnt a few also.
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Yeah.
It takes a bit practice.
And you tell us about some ofthe careers that you've had.
'cause you are, you are one ofthose people that turns their
hand to everything.
And that's kind of what you haveto do on SARC because you have
to be a bit of a Swiss Armyknife in order to get by.
You need to sort of doeverything, don't you?
You do everything.
Yeah.
And, and I've done quite a lotof different jobs.
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One, um, FF from the Army, youknow, went in there just to
become, you know, like a regularsoldier.
And Mike Creek got, uh, endedpretty quickly for us.
So, uh, it was quitedisappointing because I actually
enjoyed that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so after that we went,decided, well, it came into a
situation by, uh, starting instart.
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So started off in the restauranttrade, you know, went bar.
And then Kenny realized that Iactually could be quite a good
waiter also.
Mm-hmm.
But I would say we had the giftof Agar really.
And, uh, I, Kenny got on quitewell weight with Paul who
obviously was the owner at thetime.
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Mm-hmm.
And his mother, uh, Muriel,who's an absolutely beautiful
lady.
She really was.
Um, she got, yeah, she alwaysliked me.
She would always say, Jim.
Do you have any?
And I can iron them for you.
She wouldn't anybody else's.
She would also always iron myand.
So you, you know, I starteddoing a bit of catering.
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Then after a while, couple of yyeah, about a year a after doing
stocks, I stayed for the summer.
Done the summer season, thendecided I want to stay for the
winter.
Went and had a chat with Paul.
He said, that's fine.
So we'd done the, the winterseason.
Uh, which much quieter, butstill enjoyable, you know,
because he's being, he stilllearn a lot.
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But during that downtime, I hadthe pleasure in meeting and
working alongside George Gill,uh, because George went that he,
he used to, well, he go in thereas a part-time job and spend X
amount hours.
Chatting to people other thanworking.
But you know, we used to um, weused to play his game.
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We miss his arm.
It's like, George, we go, howlong do you reckon I could keep
the old girl talking?
Then Jim, blah, that 20 minutesGeorgie.
He said, well, you go first andsee how you go.
So I'd maybe get 10 minutes.
Georgia now, afterwards.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just waiting, you know?
And I was like, yeah, okay.
Then you crafty old.
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Yeah.
Played that well, eh.
And through, through working instate, met so many different
people.
Yeah.
Like Met, met the family, the,the Miguels, and that was the
first interaction we had withthem.
So, and I did, I didn't know atthe time that later on in life
that these people would actuallybe who I was serving and helping
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and, you know, evolving, doing abusiness.
But so it was, uh, it was verystrange.
Yeah.
But after the catering kindthing, I decided, well, I didn't
really like doing this splitshifts anymore, so I thought I
could become a builder.
So I went, went and approachedher and Jess Hester, and Jess, I
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think very reluctantly took meon, you know, but he took me on
anyway, and us a job.
Ended in tears as it normallydoes whenever it comes to that.
Always the best, but you know,could, yeah.
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Jess, uh, was building his bighouse on the cliff.
As everybody knows, you know,you can see it.
Beautiful big oak house,everything there.
Uh, and then one Saturdaymorning he says, Jim, I need, so
I was there helping him, likeputting some flooring down.
You know, he is got on thefloor, heating and everything in
there, you know, being a big,being a big house that it is
going to be.
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And he says, he says, I've gottago up to the shop.
So can I leave you just to putthese screws in through there?
Absolutely no problem.
Yes, you can do what you let,I've got this kind thing and off
we went.
And whenever he came back, wellthat was the ended up I thought,
where the screws were supposedto go, where was supposed to go
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and Yeah, a lot.
Oh no.
Yeah.
So this under floor heating, hehad spent hours getting people
doing and everything along comeJim, and that was.
So, uh, yeah I, can you bollockme.
He kept me on, I don't know howor why he must have really have
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seen something or he felt sorryfor at me.
And the same time, I don't knowif you remember.
Yeah.
Um, Luke was, he was doing someroof work for this house, you
know?
Mm-hmm.
And there was guys over, nearover field shooting, you know,
day in the old, um, pheasantshoot.
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Mm-hmm.
The pheasant are over and themixer.
That Luke was filling up to makehis stuff for the roof.
So he, he comes running and inthe middle of Jess Bullick and
me, and he is like, Jess,they're shooting me out there.
So he had to go running it andsort them.
And I fight.
That's what saved my job.
Oh wow.
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Came back.
He says, right pack up or gonnathe pub, I'll forget it.
Yeah you know, it's, um, wasn'tthe best builder, but I did
enjoy it and I did try and makea career.
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It did let us loose way hammersand chisels because I said I'd
like to become a carpenter.
I, I'm one of people that I cando that.
Yeah.
You know, somebody says, oh, weneed like a dj.
I'd be, yeah, I can do that.
Yeah, I'll make that.
And then, the chaos later, butI've got now, but we're getting
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yeah so it's.
Various different jobs, but, um,af after the, the building work,
anything, uh, I, I realized,well, I'm not cut out to be a
builder either.
And I was fortunate enough tomeet, um, uh, a partner Nicola
at the time.
Sadly, she's, uh, she's gonenow.
But, um, Nicola had, I hadsuggested at the time Ross
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Henry's carting business.
Mm-hmm.
Which is, you know, carting islike delivering all of stuff
that comes off the cargo,collecting people's suitcases.
Nicola suggested, well, whydon't you like, I'll help and
Kenny set up up a business doingthe car, and yeah, done that.
And another one, NBI can do thatJoby, but I've done years.
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I really did enjoy it.
Uh, sadly my health, but thebetter is at the end because
it's, it's, it's you.
You gotta be quite fit and it'sa young man's game, especially
working named steps, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, so yeah, just to explain tothe listeners, so because we
don't have cars on the island,we have Carters who are people
with tractors that are able topick up everyone's suitcases and
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bags from.
The harbor, which if the boat iscoming in when the tide's low,
that's actually quite a lot ofsteps to carry all the bags up.
And then you put them on thetractor and the trailers and
then they get delivered to yourhotel, which just freaks
everyone out.
'cause it's the only place inthe world where you are asked to
leave your luggage withstrangers and trust them to just
turn up at your house.
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And yeah, I mean, all of us.
We couldn't live without thecarers.
Like, every time I go onholiday, I forget that I need to
book to get my suitcasecollected.
And I get closer the next dayand I'm like, oh my God, I, I
can't put this on my bike.
So yeah, the carers likebasically keep the whole island
going.
But it is definitely a heavywork, isn't it?
It's heavy work.
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And you know, you're out in allsorts of weather, come rain or
shiny.
People are coming and they wanttheir bags and everything.
But there was also some funtimes where quite a lot of fun
times where, you know, 1, 1, 1incident that would never forget
we had somebody there, there waspeople living here for the week,
I think it was.
Oh no, this was, it was abuilder.
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He'd been working.
He was working here and hiscontract came to Nnn.
So he says, right, Jim, can youcollect our bags and take them
down and, and put them on theboat as used do, absolutely no
problem.
So we'd done our thing, just ajob, and seven o'clock at night
came up.
I got this totally random phonecall.
Alright, Jim?
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I said, yeah.
Said well.
Can you explain something to me?
I was like, what?
I says, how come I can see mybags floating at the harbor
wall?
They ey.
And I was like, I said, what?
He said, I'm on the condor.
He says, and I'm heading off toEngland, and as we are coming
out, I can see my suitcase.
He's flattened.
Going up and against the,splashing up against the wall.
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Basically, whenever they gotsent over.
Nobody picked him up for hissteps at the start shipping end
in Sey.
So when the tide came up, hisbags away and you like, you
couldn't, you make that storyup, you know, you could not do
it.
I can see my bags, mate.
I'm on the way to England andthey're floating past me.
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You know, it's, um, yeah.
That is one, one of thememorable ones, eh?
Um, yeah.
But we've done for thefestivals, um, whenever we had
the folk festivals come in, sowe we're pretty intense.
And you've got, it's quite a, aresponsibility.
Yeah.
Well, he certainly, can you walkme up away a bit from being that
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immature little gym, partlyrunning and playing hard, you
know, like, couldn't you do itafter a while?
Can you buckle down?
Could the responsibility wasmore than what it, what was
needed, eh?
Well that's what's interesting,isn't it?
'cause I feel like sarc, themain thing that I feel about
Sarrc is that the community isall encompassing and not like
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anything I've ever experiencedanywhere else before.
And I've got a real, um.
I hold a torch for communitybecause I think it's the thing
that is the most resilient inthe future with all the madness
that's going on in the world.
Yeah.
I.
Protect anyone in what, inwhatever is gonna come.
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And we have no idea what's gonnacome.
But there are many, many threatson the many threats upon us at
the moment.
Yeah.
And I just think community is sokey.
And I feel like we have therichest community I've ever
known of here, and I'm sure thatthey're on other small islands
as well, but it's just socontained and it's just the
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right number for us to fully.
Not know everybody.
'cause we definitely don't knoweverybody, but enough for us to
know most people and for us tobe able to look after each other
and take care of each other.
It feels like it's sort of justthe right amount of people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we have so many incredible,you know, everyone's doing
something like you are involvedin the, um, medical side of
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things.
Do you wanna talk a bit aboutthat Um, well, so to begin with,
I start you, you know, um, thiswas probably after being two,
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three years on the island.
I thought, well, I've got it.
You know, I want do something.
And I always fought because Iseen that they, they were
advertising for a fire serviceat the time.
I always thought that's a kindthing I could do.
Mm-hmm.
A great, there's too manystories in that one, but yeah.
So I kind thought, right, I'mgonna go and apply for it and
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look, I buy luck because it'squite a tight process to get
into the fire service.
Mm-hmm.
But, uh, they, they managed andthey say, right.
Okay then Jim, you've, Kenny,got the vacancy.
Uh, and this is me coming up tomy 20 year service, um, in
November.
So I've got another three monthsand then I'll get a nice little
medal and I'll be hanging myboots up.
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Then I.
You let the youngsters in andgo, but it was something I felt
I've give the communitysomething.
Everybody else seems to beworking so hard and doing, you
know, in, in sar you, you'llnotice yourself that you don't
wear just one hat.
You have to wear about fivedifferent hats during the course
of the day.
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You know?
Yeah.
It's, um, but we all havedifferent jobs and, and you go
through one the other and youchange from being near there,
eh?
The CFR got born.
Now that's community firstresponders.
For the listeners and the, itwas a, I would say it was a
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brain I mandate catch the whoyou stay live and work here.
Mm-hmm.
They fought our first responderrole could actually help start
so well.
Mm-hmm.
So it is, there was about sevenyears at the beginning.
We're now in our fifth year.
We're actually, we'recelebrating almost in September,
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November time.
Okay.
Uh, and that's, the responder'sbeen going for five years.
And it means that we, we get acall out, we go and first
respond.
We're up to level, fre free.
We are training at the moment,so we, we are getting trained
pretty well.
Going to come over, um, manofrom St.
John's.
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We do various other courses.
Holly, our practicing, uh, nursehere.
Yeah.
And she, she does her, hertraining nights for us.
Which is once a month, and sheabsolutely fantastic.
The wheel Asie deserves a medalherself just for what she does.
She really does.
She puts her heart and eateverything, eh?
Yeah.
She, yeah.
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Uh, and, and we, we allappreciate her, you know,
because she's doing this on herown time.
But we've all got this, like, weall care for the community and
we, and we can give our bestevery time, you know.
And the least we can do for heris because she's given us that
is we go and we data trainingand we take it all on board and,
and try and better ourselves,eh?
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Yeah.
Uh, and lighten the load for thedoctor here.
So it's, yeah, it is.
Got two or three different waysabout it.
Yeah.
People have got their differentviews in it because we're not
doctors.
We're just like you.
People say, oh, you, you're aglorified first aid.
It's not like that though.
You know?
You're not really because youpreserve life.
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We can all end uping up glue.
But we, there, there is a morecan serious site to it.
Yeah.
Where you, you know what, if youcan preserve somebody's life and
we act, we actually had a, we awee girl that started with Young
Amy.
She, uh, Amy Perry, that is, um,she started with a couple years
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ago, two years now.
Yeah.
She was very, very, very, whineyold shirt.
She didn't need too muchconfidence.
At the beginning, likeeverybody, you know your
confidence where you hold back,but there is an incident and I,
I think I can say this on, on,on the radio there is a lady
down, little sar and she neededCPR.
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And just by the Helly Lights,whatever young Amy was passing
and she jumped straight intowhat she was doing.
It just all, all the fear, oh, Ican't do that.
Or maybe that.
And she saved that, that thatlady's life.
Yeah.
You know, and she is, and, andGonzi recognized that, and they
gave her an award, which waseven better.
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Yeah.
You know, one for the girls.
Yeah.
It's incredible.
It feels like you're so pushedto in directions you'd never
have dreamed of.
Oh.
You wouldn't, I mean, you justwouldn't expect that you are.
'cause I totally think of youguys as as ambulance service.
You are there quicker than a UKambulance.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Easy.
And you know, and I, I, we don'thear the, we don't hear the
(26:46):
traffic, uh, we don't hearbustling people and, and all
sorts of things.
Okay.
We jump in our bikes or we canget there by tractor.
Uh, and then we work alongsideSt.
John's in Guernsey.
You know, they, they, they set,they help us with the flag,
Christine, which is an ambulancebook that they send over to take
(27:07):
patients back and forth,anything, you know, and in the
downtime, normally about anhour.
And you'll be in hospital inGuernsey.
Yeah, from, from that phonecall, you can't even see a
doctor in the UK for eighthours.
So, so we're, we're pretty good.
We're pretty good.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
We're spoiled.
We're spoiled.
That's, uh, that's the onlydownside.
(27:27):
Yeah.
It's amazing work.
And I, I, and yeah, like.
The first time I worked with youwas through you supporting with
the Beltane Festival and doingthe marquees and it just, all of
us put on so many different hatsand then we're in the government
together now as well.
How are you finding that?
You won't talk about it too much'cause we probably can't talk
about it, but did the governmentYes, I, I'll put my hands up.
(27:51):
I was always wondering peoplethat would be.
Either in the pub standing orout in the street chatting and
said, oh, I didn't bloodypolitic.
They doing nothing for her.
Mm-hmm.
They, you know, it's likethey're all lazy up in the
office.
I'm forced to put my hands upand take over every word that
bike because I they work sohard.
Julie, it is absolutely, andit's a fight this task so many
(28:14):
times, a lot of the times.
But they work so hard to try.
Better the island for everybody,not just themselves.
Yeah.
It's crazy, crazy the amount ofwork that goes into mm-hmm.
The emails.
Yes.
There's a lot of good emailwarriors and very quick in there
(28:38):
and it's fine.
Let carry on if they can answerit.
That's me answering that.
I can think about something elsethen, you know, but it.
It's very, it is interesting.
It is certainly not what Ithought.
She please was, yeah, it's abit, it was a culture shock for
me, let's put it that way.
Yeah.
You know, I thought, man, thisis it.
You just go in and you justtalk.
No, no, no, no, no.
(28:58):
You gotta learn this.
You gotta learn that lawslegislation.
And I like, yeah, okay, here wego.
And that was me in my big mouth.
I can do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, I've done a couple oflittle things that I was like,
oh, I done that.
Yeah.
(29:18):
So yeah.
I'm quite, I'm quite pleased.
Yeah.
I'm quite pleased.
It's been the most, like, I feellike I've done a massive course.
Like I've, I feel like I've beenstretched way further than I've
been stretched since going touniversity or something like
that.
Just because the amount that youhave to get your head round.
Yeah.
And then this is real people'slives, like we are having huge
impacts You see everybody, evenif you're at war with this
(29:41):
person, you're like on oldkeyboard, you still gotta be,
hello.
How you doing?
You know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because that's, that's where thecommunity comes in.
Yeah.
And doesn't matter who you fallthat with, you always can you.
Yeah.
And we, we always respect, atthe end of the day, you'll say
hello to someday.
You never, you wouldn't eventhing with him, you know?
Yeah.
Together, and eat together andoutside whenever it's done.
(30:08):
There's one thing we've neverhad in SAT for wee.
Really?
There's been a murder.
No murder.
I'd love to join the theatergroup just to get that one line
and there's been a murder.
Right.
That's brilliant.
I love it.
I speak to Gavin about that.
Yeah.
And sar, I would recommend it toany youngsters that, that really
(30:30):
would like to come and see whatSARTs about.
And I would bet that 99.9 wouldalso come back and end up trying
to live here, eh?
Yeah.
But it's a fantastic littleplace.
Yeah.
You either love it or you don't.
If you don't need pretty quickif.
I love it.
In the carting, when I wascutting, I did see the quickest
turnaround Yeah.
(30:51):
They off the boat, you walked tothe top, they looked over the
wall and off they went back withother suitcases.
They came, they came for a jobat one of the hotels, eh, nah,
I'm not liking this.
And off they went again.
Well, that's hilarious.
Yeah.
Okay, just going back quicklyto, um, back to when I arrived
(31:11):
and saw another irony thing waslike, I came off that on, on the
ceiling across, and I rememberit so clearly.
And I go, oh, this is reallybeautiful coming in, you know,
from the knee down and you tieup.
Yeah.
And boy got me suitcases and Ithought, okay, well this is it.
I've gotta go his stocks.
I didn't even know there was a,a tractor taking him up the hill
(31:33):
and taking him to the hotel foryou.
So I said, slog all the way upthe hill where these two
massive, a big suitcases, myOrly belongings.
And then to realize 13 yearslater that I'd actually be doing
that myself.
But I do the most beautifulthing I say, I.
I knew that straight away withincoming through that tunnel.
(31:56):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's, it's stunning.
As soon as I was Lighthouse, Iremember thinking how it looked
like Game of Thrones, and I wasjust like, there'd be dragons
here.
Look at this place.
Yeah.
Oh, well you talk about GamesThrones.
Well.
(32:21):
Well, you know what I am gonnado, talking about Game of
Thrones, is I'm gonna pull threerooms and the rooms are for us
to just talk about a thing thatthe is, is letting fate just
choose what we're talking about.
And I normally do tarot cards,but because you have room
tattoos, I thought we should dothat.
I know.
(32:42):
So have you ever had a rain poolfor you before?
No.
I normally just pull my own onesand say, oh, that sounds good
today.
That'll do it.
So you, do you pull your ownrings?
I do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How cool.
I said, got a little mat in thatand I lick.
Right.
Okay.
So I pull that one and that'show I go out, out the door.
This is me today, and I can goby the room.
(33:03):
Oh, that's wonderful.
I do.
Yeah, I do that.
That's a really cool thing.
Yeah.
It, it's funny you see thatthere, there's a few people
like, I, I didn't realize thatKara was into, uh, yeah.
And them, so there, there's,there's a few hidden people here
that are actually Yeah.
To believe in the old ways.
Yes.
In the old ways.
Exactly.
Ways.
Yeah.
What does your tattoo say?
(33:23):
If you don't mind me asking, youdon't have to tell me, but
what's your tattoo?
One of them.
For everyone that, uh, wondersis not lost.
Uhhuh, that's that one there canfind.
Yeah.
These were just all differentruin now.
They're, they're not yourstandard ruins.
They're all different ruins.
IK went back to as, as far as Icould find, as much we depict
(33:44):
being Scottish.
And I try to pull bits in,whatever.
So whenever I got that done, itwasn't supposed to go all over
like that, but I don't know howit ended up.
And we just ended up puttingthem all across like that.
We were, there were supposed tobe a bit more uniform, but, but
it, I probably too much talkingactually.
(34:06):
And then, but, but it was toolate, so they are totally
random.
So you could just close youreyes.
That's how I am today.
Jim, look at, oh, you're fast.
I love that you do a readingwith your own arm.
I love it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm gonna put my hand in.
I'm gonna, uh, oh, a reading.
And it's not a reading, it'sjust something for us to chat.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
(34:27):
Ooh, it's actually one of myfavorite readings.
So Raz or the Thorn.
On.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What does that mean to you?
Because I have meanings forthese rings, but what does it
mean to you?
That one, to me, I wouldn't knowtoo much.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it means the, it means likea, a shamanic journey.
(34:49):
And what I always think of it abit like the thorn on a rose, so
you're gonna get a rose, so it'sworth it.
It's, it's basically almost thebest prize you can get.
Yeah, but it's not gonna beeasy.
And it's ths ruin the god ofthunder.
So you're expecting it.
Storms and hardship, but it'swell worth it.
'cause you're gonna get right atthe end of it.
When you said that, when you, myactual thoughts are well
(35:12):
foreign, it's going to beforney, which means there's
going to be something, it'sgoing to be either prickly or
dangerous.
It could be a dangerous roadyou're going down that is.
What's been the kind of hardestjourney you've had, but was the
most rewarding?
Hardest journey, but mostrewarding.
(35:34):
That's an easy one.
Na, being a father.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it was hard.
It, it was hard actually,because.
I've never, never been one, butI, I, I quite honestly was
quite, Ima mature, you know, Isay always wondering lads in the
pub and that kinda thing.
And I, it made me have takenlook at myself more and make
(35:58):
choices actually.
Yeah.
You know, what I needed to doto, to to, to actually be that
good father that I know I am,you know?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it was tough journey.
But it was a lovable journey.
So I don't know if, if abeautiful boy to show for it and
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
Yeah.
And, and you, you know, it'slike we had our ups and downs
(36:21):
Kenny thing.
Yeah.
Uh, Flynn and I, but we don'tthink Flynn and I's ever had a,
had had an argument, you know,that.
Oh.
Uh, and that to me is just like,I've always said that my, my
parents, uh, my parents theywere fine.
They were great parents, youknow, hardworking.
They've done everything for us.
They made it.
And I always said, I wouldn't, Iwouldn't need treat my son like
(36:42):
I.
Their way because obviously theycame Victorian parents, you
know?
Yeah.
And, and think, right, well I'mgonna try something different
here.
You know?
Fingers crossed, no dis.
Amazing job.
Everyone loves Flin.
Well done.
(37:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, it is good.
I'm glad.
Well, I'm pleased to hear that.
Yeah, he's a good boy.
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I'll put another one for you.
So this one is the torch.
(40:15):
So it's Ken Torch, and this islike shining a torch into the
darkness.
So is there, like, what's beenthe most interesting thing that
you've kind of learned and yeah,like has been.
Like look, looking like lookinginto something or, yeah, looking
into the darkness.
I always think of it a bit like,Indiana Jones going down a
(40:36):
tunnel.
Yeah.
I do play with the, well, Idon't play with.
Yeah.
There is no godkin thing, youknow?
And, uh, and the afterlife.
Absolutely.
There's, I kind of stop readingor watching programs and, and
things like that.
You know, Romans old history.
Yeah.
But, but that's lookingbackwards, the past, eh?
(40:59):
So, so looking into the darktorches, always asking what is
next for us?
Where does our journey go afterhumans?
You know, that's how I.
Yeah.
And what does he believe in?
Are you, uh, you believe indays?
What does that mean to you?
I, I just believe that where,this is, this is hell, we're in
(41:22):
hell at the moment.
Uh, you know, and we've gotsome, something next to that
take to come to, you know, we'reonly vessels carrying under our
souls at the moment.
Yeah.
And, uh, I, I do believe thatthere is an afterlife that's for
sure.
Yeah.
Um, it might not be theafterlife that we think there is
or whatever, but I do believethat we go somewhere and, and we
(41:44):
do evolve re reincarnatesomething along the line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I love it.
I really enjoy it.
Thinking about all that stuffand talking about it.
It's one of my favorite.
Yeah.
And I've got no idea, but I'm, Icould talk about it all day
long.
I don't talk to many peopleabout the things that I think
(42:04):
about because I'm, skating caselocked me up, you know, we've
got you up anyway for many otherthings.
Well, yeah, there's that Maddycoming along again, but, you
know, but.
Horrible for.
It's just like, yeah, I, I'mkeen for it.
Yeah.
Since once I was told that,well, I had the quadruple bypass
(42:24):
at a very young age of 40.
Um, you know, the, the doctorssay that I died twice on the
table.
Oh, wow.
Um, so that kinda changed myperspective to a few things than
two years ago when I had thesecond heart attack, which
damaged the first heart attack.
(42:44):
A totally different perspectiveagain.
Wow.
There was this one, and I'llnever forget this one particular
little nurse, she said, that'sit, son.
We can't do anything else.
And that thought that rings inmy head every day.
You know, it's like, and I'mlike, man, so I made peace with
myself.
That's all I could do, you know?
(43:06):
So I'm like, come on.
And I challenge you now myfriend.
I'm ready.
There's nothing we can do it.
So yeah, just take it on it onthe chin, how it comes.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Well, that's, that's literallythe goal.
That's my goal is to find peace.
So, yeah.
And that, and that is it, youknow, it's, um, I, and I tell
everybody that I'm happy and,you know, especially some.
(43:29):
I don't know how he puts upthis, because i's like, right,
mate, we've got our will here,right here.
So I said, you need to come runtomorrow and we're gonna put
another page in this.
Will, you know?
And he's like, but he's like,yeah dad, we need to do this
Now.
He's, he's caught it on, youknow, he is like, yeah, good.
That's it.
He's, can he talk to me?
Say, look, it's not a bad thingwhen somebody passes.
(43:52):
Yeah.
You'll hurt you'll be tearfulfor a few days.
Wait, but, enjoy the good times.
Memory should.
Yeah.
And people are always with youas well.
Like I've, I've lost a reallystrangely large number of people
since 2020.
So when I moved here, I've lost18 people since I moved here.
Wow.
Which is a bit, that's a lot.
Yeah.
A bit crazy.
(44:13):
And, uh, I even, it was myfriend's funeral on Friday, so
it's like, God Yeah.
In the moment.
And I, they are with me all thetime.
Like I've lost three bestfriends since I lived here.
And, I see them all the time.
They're in the birds, they'rein, they're everywhere.
I, yeah.
Yeah.
They turn up and make me laughall the time because it's really
funny when they've turned up andit's like they're playing with
(44:34):
me, and it, yeah.
My memory, my thoughts, my ownhead doing it.
But they're so fun that I letthem, I allow it to be as real
as if they were alive, you know?
And, and yeah, no, no, but I've,I stood, wi winter days are,
are, are the best for me.
You know, you can, you can bedoing something and then you can
see the trees moving.
Then the next thing you can see.
(44:56):
Oh, there you go.
And you, you can see, well, I'veseen the odds here before, you
know?
Yeah.
I watched that much.
But that, that, that's, it getsinto your imagination.
Yeah.
And then you start seeing whatis real.
But yeah.
Is it dogs?
Dogs can tell that there is aspirit there, can't they?
(45:18):
Absolutely.
You know, so we, we don't know.
We don't, and there's more roomfor that in Sark, I think.
'cause you're not surrounded byconcrete and tarmac.
It's easier for Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Have that moment in thebeautiful sunshine in a sunset
or, yeah.
I mean, the amount of times I'vecried at sunsets and.
It felt like someone's with, weused to, um, when we first got
go, don't you, the lighthouse,you know, bit, you up one bit.
(45:41):
You, you, you'd go to themermaid, you hear you fun in the
mermaid at night.
Then you'd go and sit and talkof the, the lighthouse roof and
that was it.
You wake up then you didn't evenfall asleep actually.
And you just watch sunburn andevery, and it is beautiful.
You can't be, there's nothing atall that can replace that, that
as a memory, you know.
Absolutely.
(46:01):
Yeah.
We're so lucky we get to watchthe sunset and then the moon
rise, like, oh yeah.
Basically walking a few meters.
That's incredible.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
This is it.
Eh, you know, it's, um, yeah.
Well, I think maybe me and youshould get together after.
Yeah, I'm up.
That's a date.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's see what happens at thenext belt.
(46:38):
Okay.
And the last room is the sun.
We were just talking about it.
The sunset.
Wow.
So this is, this is like fullbrightness and illumination.
So I guess it's a bit like whatwe're talking about of what is
it that gives you full hope andmakes you feel like it's all
worth it?
The most is, is seen results.
You know, it's no same results.
That's your own words.
(46:59):
Getting the, the knowing thateither you've just saved
somebody's life mm-hmm.
Or you've done something that,that has gave that person a
better chance in life.
Yeah.
It's, um, I like, um, like we,we, we do, Dom and I dom's my
friend.
Mm-hmm.
And we, we kind got togethermany years ago and said, been.
(47:26):
Uh, and start for a while afterJohn's accident, and we started
this and we thought, oh, this isreally good.
A lot of people came for it, andwe thought, well, we could raise
some money for different,various charities for around the
island.
Mm-hmm.
And, and we have through theyears.
Uh, one year we got some, uh,what is it?
Bulletproof Vest.
(47:47):
Now this was a random.
One, um, for the Ukrainianpeoples that were going in and
outta towns to bring the peopleover.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
We, we, we had, had heard thatthey needed help, right.
But we had this money sat thereand we thought, right, okay,
well this is the cause thatwe're going to do this year with
the money.
Um.
After that when we, we've boughtan electric wheelchair, which,
(48:11):
um, allows the older, some ofthe older islanders to, to get
out with their, their carer.
And so they, they're not stuckat home.
And these little things arelike, it gives you so much
happiness, knowing Yeah, look atthat.
There we go.
There's another one.
Well done, done it.
You know, no need.
You can make other people happythat's my drive.
Yeah, that's a i'd, uh, I'd givemy right ear to before I'd, I'd
(48:34):
take one for myself, eh?
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Wow.
Timba, you're lovely.
You really are.
It's, it's, I need self gameanymore.
It's like if I can meet peoplehappy, even my dog.
Yeah.
I love dancing with my dog.
Absolutely.
We turn the music on and that'sit.
We passed time, eh, brilliant.
(48:55):
Yeah, but I'm, I'm not an oldsadr actually.
I do have a pretty active life.
We go fishing, camping with boysand, and doing different things.
And at the moment my, uh, my newjob is becoming a dj.
That's why, and that's what thisis all building towards as well.
Yeah.
Radio station going, I wannalisten to your radio.
(49:16):
I could listen to you all daylong.
Ah, we could have fun.
I, I was, uh, I was telling, uh,Bernard one, you, one of your
clients, uh, today he burn's,had a stroke so I could, doing
three or free days a week toJust give a bit of you.
Keep on going.
Whenever we get the, uh, radiostation, I'm going, you, you and
(49:39):
like hell, you're, I, I'mtelling you, I'm gonna come in
and we'll just talk normal.
So I've, I've got it linked upmy ideas, you know?
Yeah.
Oh, it'll be brilliant.
I really, I, I think it's gonnawork and I think it's gonna be
awesome and I'd love, I can'twait to hear it.
People say, Hey Jim, you talkenough dribble in the day.
So yeah, you're a man for a job.
Yeah.
(49:59):
You might as well do it as ajob.
Yeah.
You know, we just have to pass Xamount of hours.
It doesn't matter what we talkabout.
Yeah, exactly.
It'll be awesome.
the last thing that we do is weask for a chaos crusade, and
(50:20):
that is something that you wouldrecommend for people to do to
just break the like habits ofeveryday life and to.
Just make you sort of appreciatewhere you are and what you're
doing for a second.
You know, wake up from the dreamfor a moment.
Take the danger, take, take theroad and, and show people.
Yeah.
Do you know, I think I cananswer that one a lot.
(50:44):
I've not being an old duck here,right?
Mm-hmm.
But the l kids out there, um,that they really understand like
the drugs and alcohol.
I think would be the one.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but we all take alcohol andnot realizing how much data
(51:05):
danger we're actually givenmm-hmm.
Uh, to ourselves and some, someof the drugs that people tamper
away, especially the, all thesesynthetics, it's um, to, to give
something a shock culture is totake them, run to even an old
people's home with people wherethere are cases.
That's what you could end upbeing, or this is what, why
(51:27):
you've ended up with thesedifficulties.
Mm-hmm.
And because it, it is, it's,they, they are diseases, you
know, they, they're, they are aseasy and I think need to shock
culture on somebody to take themaround and say, well, look, this
is your options here, you know?
But I don't know if that's wherewe're going with that one or
not, but Yeah.
No, no, no, that's good.
I mean, it's, it's good.
It's'cause I think we, um,especially on soc alcohol has
(51:51):
been one of the things that Iwas quite, well, I, I messaged
all, I dunno if you know that Iknow Cara from doing a tutor
reenactment.
We dress as tutors and, and liveas tutors and the public paid to
come and see what living historyis like.
So that's how I know Cara andmoved here is that Cara was here
having met Ash.
Being a carriage driver andRight.
Working for Michelle.
(52:12):
And as soon as she got here sherang me up and said, it's just
like that place where we work.
It's just like the Tudor placeand Yeah, people come over and
visit.
So I came over and this Tudorplace, you'd love it.
You would.
Absolutely.
It is.
So yeah, like we're all incostume and we're sitting around
campfires and singing songs andpretending to be tutors with
guns and swords and all thissort of stuff.
Yeah, very cool.
(52:33):
Um, but we drink very heavilyand it's really good fun.
We're only there for like fourweeks in a year, drinking as
heavily as we do.
And I moved here and I got intouch with all my friends there
on, on WhatsApp.
I was like, everyone here drinkslike we do, but all the time and
forever.
(52:55):
It's a level of.
Uh, drinking here.
That's way above what we do inthe uk.
And, and it's it does worry me.
You know, I've been clear seseven years today actually, that
I've, I know congratulations,um, like clean from drinking
alcohol, but it was that I was araging, need a beer every time.
(53:15):
I just enjoyed, enjoyed theweekend, you know.
Yeah, but it was like, enjoyedthe weekend, which went and, and
Wendy Tuesday, Wednesday,Thursday.
So yeah.
Life was a party.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, but I, and yeah, Iprobably made a fool of myself
more than a lot of people in theside.
However, I can seen the, the airin my ways and Yeah.
I, and I hate watching theyoungsters.
(53:37):
Can you go and doing the roadythings that I've done myself.
And realizing it's not all aboutgoing out and getting smashed
all the time or getting as drunkas you can.
I know there is a, a level and Ifeel sorry that people, okay,
you can go, you can enjoyyourself, but it can you, yeah.
(53:59):
As you said earlier, can you,let's go and get annihilated it.
What worries us, you know?
Yeah, definitely.
And I think it has.
I think it's got better.
I think it has got a bit better.
In the time that I've lived hereI feel like it's a bit less, uh,
intense.
I dunno, the, the people doshots a bit less than they did
(54:21):
when I first moved here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I feel.
I see a European side actuallykin culture coming into sar.
You know, I, I don't go to thepubs or that bit, you know, I, I
enjoy going for a restaurant,eating, and yes, the, there,
there is the, the, thedifferent, where the Europeans
(54:44):
are a bit more relaxed bit.
Out to get as drunk and wobblyas they can.
You know where Yeah.
And, and I'm seen that some ofthe youngsters actually are
taking that step back andcalming down a little bit.
Yeah.
But, but it is still a worryingfor the rest of.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
I fully agree with that.
Yeah.
It's, um, I, as, as for the drugside of their life, well, I just
(55:07):
hope that they can keep thiscleared up path as long as they
can.
Yeah.
Lost a lot of good friendsthrough, through drugs.
I lost my brother through drugsand there's a lot of, a lot of
things that, you know, I justfeel that if people were, had,
had the support, it could be adifferent story for a Lauren,
but it will ruin their lives,you know?
(55:27):
Sorry to be in a really down onein that, but that's alright.
It's, it's that kind thing wherethe chaos has to come to a halt.
Yeah.
And, and you realize that, no,we need to stop this.
Or if you've got a friend, forinstance, that I know has gone
Right.
Done it and you can see thebrick wall in front of him.
Yeah.
You, you need to really pullyourself and, and do everything
(55:49):
you can saved.
And that that's what he must.
I totally agree with that.
And I do, I mean, personally, Ithink alcohol's the worst out of
all of them.
The ones that I've, I have lostpeople to alcohol and the
closest we've ever got to losingother people has been through
alcohol.
For me personally, I have lostsomeone from drugs as well.
But yeah, I'm always into, um,getting more from less.
(56:12):
That's part of my ethos.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More from less.
Yeah.
But like that, yeah.
I dunno why that's going on, butI'm enjoying it.
Yeah.
No, well that's the thing.
I think it's a balance, isn'tit?
And I think if you've got peacewith yourself, then you'll have
to spend time on your own.
(56:33):
And it, it, it's, it's more bigcrowds.
They used to be in big crowdsall the time.
You know, I'd be, be, yeah, I'dbe, there's a lads at the bar
there.
You did.
You go and that and be night andwhatever.
Where now it's like, do you knowwhat?
Yeah, I'm just going read.
I.
Or I'm just going eat 12 o'clockin it.
I'm just going turn my music onwhat I do.
(56:57):
How kicked off.
But yeah.
'cause you can do these things,eh?
No, totally.
Yeah.
Thank you so much, Jim.
That was wonderful.
That was good chatting with you.
That was so good.
You're a beautiful human being.
Thank you.
Well, thank you.
It's, um, yeah, so we edit thislate and take it on a really bad
part.
(57:18):
No, it's all staying in.
Have to do this again.
Eh.
The bad parts will always be thebits that everyone enjoys the
most.
So this is it.
This is it.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Julie, listen.
Thank you very much.
Ready for work now because man,across the road.
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What a beautiful person he is.
I can't believe how much I lovethat guy.
He's gorgeous.
I left it recording, then I leftthe that into the edit at the
end there because that's himgoing off to work to go and look
after someone.
He was heading off to go andtake care of someone.
And yeah, I, I just reallyenjoyed that conversation and.
(58:12):
The more we talked, the more Iwas like, wow, you are such a
beautiful person and we are wallto wall beautiful people over
here.
There are so many people thatare giving and looking after and
taking care of people, and it'sjust.
I love people's universes and Iwant to keep exploring and
looking into different people'srealities and the way they see
(58:34):
the world.
'cause there's always something,there's something medicinal in
everyone and, and insight anduh, yeah.
You're like, oh God, I neverthought of things that way, or I
haven't looked at things thatway before.
And, and also just.
Just people are so lovely.
People are lovely.
And I just think that's a reallyimportant narrative in a world
that keeps saying that peoplearen't, and it's so easy for us
(58:56):
to buy into the paranoia and thedivision, which is completely
calculated.
You know, divide and conquer isas old as time.
It is a well-known tactic.
You divide people and you canthen conquer them easier, and
that is what the media does.
The media is telling us that ourenemies are immigrants or our
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enemies of people with brownskin or our enemies of the
annoying poor family down theroad, or our enemies is just our
neighbor or our enemies is our.
Partner, like literally, you arejust being separated and
separated and separated.
And that is because it is easierto control you and fill you with
fear and make you stay home andparalyzed.
(59:37):
And when you start to actuallyconnect with people and you
spend time in community, that'swhen you go, oh my God,
everyone's in the same boat asme.
We are all the same.
We all have fears and love andpassion, and we are all caring
and kind and.
We are gonna look after eachother, and if we start looking
(59:57):
after each other, we startlooking out for each other.
And if we start looking out foreach other, we are harder to
conquer.
And that is why divide andconquer is a very useful tactic.
And so that is also whycommunity is the answer.
It is key.
And the more we get to know eachother and work together and
learn to.
Embrace and say yes, and fillour world with love and
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connection and community ratherthan fear and separation and
individualism andself-absorption.
It's just, come on guys.
It's all about each other.
It's all about each other.
That's how we're gonna getthrough this future and make the
world a better place and, andnot heading to.
The abyss that we are beingdescribed as being in front of
(01:00:42):
us.
You know, we don't have to liveinto that reality.
We need to create our own.
And my way of doing that, mybelief in my creation of my
reality that I want to live intois a beautiful community.
Where we look after each otherand take care of each other and
deal with all the shadow andcrunch and difficulties and
clashes and conflict Conflict'snot a bad thing.
(01:01:05):
Nothing happens without drama.
Like, you know, if you watch theEast Enders and there was no
conflict, you wouldn't watch it,would you?
You need conflict for things tohappen.
You need conflict for things tomove on, but it doesn't mean you
have to hate each other over it,and it doesn't mean you have to
like try and avoid it.
You just have to embrace it andbe like, yeah, that's the fuel,
that's the combustion engine.
That makes change.
That makes things happen.
(01:01:25):
Don't be afraid of change.
And yeah, don't be afraid toopen your heart up and love your
love thy neighbor.
Well, I love my Jimmy.
I've gotta say that he's abeautiful person and I really,
really hope that we're able toget a radio show off the ground
because.
I, I could listen to Jimmy allday, so gonna help him do that
and support him on that journeyand watch this space.
(01:01:47):
I'll let you know if we, um, ifwe have a radio station, I will
advertise it to you guys, sohopefully you'll be hearing a
lot more from Jimmy.
But thank you ever so much forbeing here.
Huge love to all of you.
And I shall see the enon.
The.
(00:56):
Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host Jolie Rose.
I'm really excited about today'spodcast.
I'm interviewing the absolutelybloody lovely Jimmy Martin.
He's a beautiful soul, and I'veonly known him.
I mean, I don't, I wouldn't sayI know him that well.
Um, I feel like I know him a lotbetter after recording this
(01:18):
podcast, but I have known him.
Everyone knows him on theisland.
Um, he's a, a local SAR chap.
He's not from Sark, as you willhear.
But he's very much part of thecommunity here.
everyone knows him.
Absolutely.
Everyone knows Jimmy.
And it's because he does somuch.
He gives so much.
And that's something that isvery prevalent here on sarc.
(01:40):
And what I think is very key forcommunity is about giving.
There is an element of having tohave boundaries because you can
just give, give, give, and therewill never be an end to the
taking.
You need to, you need to have anelement of, Self-control or know
what you are capable of.
but it is just a joy to be partof such an amazing loving, even
(02:06):
if we fall out and argue witheach other, like a big,
dysfunctional family.
But there is this amazing familythat we are all part of, and
it's, it's really special and.
It is what I think is the keyfor resilience for the future,
for all of us.
I think that community is key.
I think there's somethingpoetic, ironic, apt about humans
(02:30):
being the problem, but alsobeing the solution.
It's a bit like the, the venomand anti-venom being doing a
small data of the venom.
There's something about humanscausing all the problems that
we've caused in the world, but.
The thing that is the answer iscommunity and looking after each
other and taking care of eachother, and caring about being
stewards of the land and caringabout our surroundings and
(02:53):
making sure that we are allhaving a lovely life.
You know, that I think's the keything, and it's why I am here
and it's why I was drawn to thisbeautiful island and to the
people who live here and I lovethem.
And Jimmy is a key characterlinchpin.
Support giver within that mix.
(03:13):
He's a beautiful person and Iloved doing this podcast with
him.
I fell in love with him andyeah, I'm, I, listening back and
editing it, I was just like, oh,he's such a beautiful person.
And, and I knew he was already,but it was sort of from afar,
whereas now I'm like, now.
Yeah.
I love that boy.
He's a, he's a beautiful beingand um, and I'm so privileged to
(03:35):
share him with you and for youto get an insight into.
The life and experience andreality of someone who lives
here on sarc.
And I'd like to interview morepeople from Sarrc because
everyone's got an interestingstory to tell as to how they
ended up here and or are fromhere.
And they've got interestingstories to tell as well.
So I'm gonna be peppering,interviews with people from the
(03:55):
island, as we go along.
And, this is the first, which isreally exciting.
So without further ado, I'mgoing to introduce you to the
awesome Jimmy Martin.
(04:18):
welcome to the nonsense and theChaos.
I'm interviewing my friendtoday, James Martin, or Jimmy,
as we all know him.
And Jimbo or Jimmy is a bit of alocal hero here on Sark.
Everybody knows who he is.
He used to do all our cartingand.
He works so hard with themedical and emergency services
and is also now in ourgovernment in chief police and
(04:39):
we are looking at the moment tocreate a radio station.
And so we thought we'd have alittle play and experiment with
getting Jim on the podcast, butalso it's the first time I've
interviewed anyone from sarc, soI've been chatting away about.
What SOC means to me and what Ifeel about it.
But it'd be great to hear abouthow you came to be here and also
(04:59):
where you're from originally.
'cause you're Scottish, aspeople will hear.
Thank you.
So whereabouts, okay.
Where are you from, first ofall?
Okay.
Tell me about where you're from.
I was born and raised in LittleVillage, in Scotland called
Armidale which is in West Lomore or less in between Glasgow
(05:19):
and Burgh.
Um, small little farmingvillage.
well it was small anyway, thelast time we went home, just
last year there, it's um, it'skinda expanded.
We're almost like in Glasgow andin Edinburgh at the same time.
Oh, wow.
You know, we're at 12 miles to12 miles along the motorway and
you're in Glasgow, and then 12miles the opposite way.
(05:41):
You're in Edinburgh.
Wow.
That's pretty much like theperfect spot.
It's, you know, 12 miles theother way.
You end up in ster, you know,so, so we're pretty central to
everything.
12 miles, eh?
Oh, that's cool.
Um, yeah, it's a lovely littleplace, but you know, it's SAR
County over 10 in one my heart.
(06:01):
So it says Sar not Scotlandanymore, eh?
Yeah.
And when did you move to Sark?
How old were you?
I don't know how old I was, butI, I remember getting here the
year 2000.
Um, you know, we can do somemading up and taking away to get
our age, but Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so yeah.
Ba basically young lad though.
(06:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You've caught me off with thatone.
Um, so yeah, arrived year in theyear 2000, so, you know, I've
been here now 25 years.
Wow.
Um, and I wouldn't consider atall ever moving back to
Scotland.
You know, I, I think Sarka isnow, my home is, and that's
where I will probably end mydays and time, you know?
(06:43):
Yeah.
It's, um, what brought you herein the first place?
What was it that.
It was a funny little thing.
I went in a job center that wasin between jobs.
Done a wee bit in the armybecause it got medical,
medically defective from there.
Mm-hmm.
Um, some ear injury, anything.
So I needed a job and went inand it was a little, and the job
(07:05):
center and there was like avacancy for sart.
I'd never heard the SAR before.
I'd heard the Han Islands.
But so, no.
So I thought, I'm gonna applyfor it.
And it was funny, it'd be abarman stocks hotel, what you
started there.
Yeah.
There's another one of themgreat lucky people that managed
to make a career out stocks, youknow, you know, everybody that
(07:28):
gets employed in stocks, eitherKenny stays or invol or involves
any, something good here, eh.
The stocks hotel for anyonewho's not from the island is
like a, one of our really fancyhotels, and it's been around for
a long time and it brings theseasonal workers over.
And so every year we have aninflux of new people who come to
the island.
(07:48):
And every year there's alwayssome people who fall in love
with the place and don't leave.
Which is always lovely.
And so you were one of them.
One of them, yeah.
I have many, many good fondmemories, these stocks, some
that I, I couldn't tell you onthe radio because it, it seems
like that's the way witheveryone who works there,
there's always a really goodscore.
(08:08):
Well, was like, whenever you,you, because I, I was in my
thirties, can you think so?
I was still young.
And you know, it's like they, sothe sar, can he grab you?
And it's the people that grabbedme, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, I never lived by the seabefore.
We knew it was making friendsand they had boats and like,
come on, we'll get in the sea.
(08:29):
Can anything for a day?
Mm-hmm.
Um, then there's all over islandwhere.
It was like the party scene inthe evening.
I was, it was very hard work tokeep up with.
It was, but I managed and nowcompletely Kenny him clean off
the party scene and Kenny, yeah.
Enjoying life, doing slowlythings that I like to do now,
(08:51):
eh?
Yeah, so, so what's nice about,so, because he does have both of
those.
Sides to it.
Like people are often surprisedthat I've moved here from
Brighton because obviouslyBrighton was a real party city.
And then to move here,everyone's like, God, it must be
really quiet.
And I'm like, no, it's the deathof me.
This place is such a partyplace.
Yeah.
(09:12):
It also has the beauty and thecalmness and the there's so much
to do when you're not drinking.
Like I, you know, I'm notdrinking at.
I'm just as busy as when I am,so this is it.
And we're absolutely covered inbeautiful scenery and play.
You know, you Yeah.
Fishing.
You go walk, take your dog out.
(09:33):
Endless, you know.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's why you're taking the fieldeven.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, so I've done that manyi's done.
It, it's coming up with your ownentertainment.
'cause I think we've got so usedto everything being done for us,
like in normal, what I saynormal in the uk.
I don't think it does seemnormal now.
I live here, the UK doesn't seemnormal.
This feels more real in that yougo fly a kite or you go for a
(09:56):
walk or you Yeah, you dosomething.
That's what we used to do beforewe had all the digital world
that we now are used to.
Yeah.
Whereas like, yeah, I think ifyou're living in the UK, it's
very easy for it to all bescrolling on your phone or
downloading a video or you know,it is all jumping a car and off
you go with every point, youknow, McDonald's and chain, you
know, just we things.
(10:17):
But, uh, you know, it's.
Uh, it is great.
You end up learning how to bakecakes and cook your own Sunday
lunches.
Yes.
Yeah.
Entertain your friends bysaying, come to my house and you
know, would you a cook up kindof thing.
Cook up Sunday, you mostenjoyable.
And I've burnt a few also.
(10:38):
Yeah.
It takes a bit practice.
And you tell us about some ofthe careers that you've had.
'cause you are, you are one ofthose people that turns their
hand to everything.
And that's kind of what you haveto do on SARC because you have
to be a bit of a Swiss Armyknife in order to get by.
You need to sort of doeverything, don't you?
You do everything.
Yeah.
And, and I've done quite a lotof different jobs.
(10:59):
One, um, FF from the Army, youknow, went in there just to
become, you know, like a regularsoldier.
And Mike Creek got, uh, endedpretty quickly for us.
So, uh, it was quitedisappointing because I actually
enjoyed that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so after that we went,decided, well, it came into a
situation by, uh, starting instart.
(11:21):
So started off in the restauranttrade, you know, went bar.
And then Kenny realized that Iactually could be quite a good
waiter also.
Mm-hmm.
But I would say we had the giftof Agar really.
And, uh, I, Kenny got on quitewell weight with Paul who
obviously was the owner at thetime.
(11:43):
Mm-hmm.
And his mother, uh, Muriel,who's an absolutely beautiful
lady.
She really was.
Um, she got, yeah, she alwaysliked me.
She would always say, Jim.
Do you have any?
And I can iron them for you.
She wouldn't anybody else's.
She would also always iron myand.
So you, you know, I starteddoing a bit of catering.
(12:07):
Then after a while, couple of yyeah, about a year a after doing
stocks, I stayed for the summer.
Done the summer season, thendecided I want to stay for the
winter.
Went and had a chat with Paul.
He said, that's fine.
So we'd done the, the winterseason.
Uh, which much quieter, butstill enjoyable, you know,
because he's being, he stilllearn a lot.
(12:28):
But during that downtime, I hadthe pleasure in meeting and
working alongside George Gill,uh, because George went that he,
he used to, well, he go in thereas a part-time job and spend X
amount hours.
Chatting to people other thanworking.
But you know, we used to um, weused to play his game.
(12:48):
We miss his arm.
It's like, George, we go, howlong do you reckon I could keep
the old girl talking?
Then Jim, blah, that 20 minutesGeorgie.
He said, well, you go first andsee how you go.
So I'd maybe get 10 minutes.
Georgia now, afterwards.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just waiting, you know?
And I was like, yeah, okay.
Then you crafty old.
(13:11):
Yeah.
Played that well, eh.
And through, through working instate, met so many different
people.
Yeah.
Like Met, met the family, the,the Miguels, and that was the
first interaction we had withthem.
So, and I did, I didn't know atthe time that later on in life
that these people would actuallybe who I was serving and helping
(13:33):
and, you know, evolving, doing abusiness.
But so it was, uh, it was verystrange.
Yeah.
But after the catering kindthing, I decided, well, I didn't
really like doing this splitshifts anymore, so I thought I
could become a builder.
So I went, went and approachedher and Jess Hester, and Jess, I
(13:55):
think very reluctantly took meon, you know, but he took me on
anyway, and us a job.
Ended in tears as it normallydoes whenever it comes to that.
Always the best, but you know,could, yeah.
(14:18):
Jess, uh, was building his bighouse on the cliff.
As everybody knows, you know,you can see it.
Beautiful big oak house,everything there.
Uh, and then one Saturdaymorning he says, Jim, I need, so
I was there helping him, likeputting some flooring down.
You know, he is got on thefloor, heating and everything in
there, you know, being a big,being a big house that it is
going to be.
(14:40):
And he says, he says, I've gottago up to the shop.
So can I leave you just to putthese screws in through there?
Absolutely no problem.
Yes, you can do what you let,I've got this kind thing and off
we went.
And whenever he came back, wellthat was the ended up I thought,
where the screws were supposedto go, where was supposed to go
(15:00):
and Yeah, a lot.
Oh no.
Yeah.
So this under floor heating, hehad spent hours getting people
doing and everything along comeJim, and that was.
So, uh, yeah I, can you bollockme.
He kept me on, I don't know howor why he must have really have
(15:23):
seen something or he felt sorryfor at me.
And the same time, I don't knowif you remember.
Yeah.
Um, Luke was, he was doing someroof work for this house, you
know?
Mm-hmm.
And there was guys over, nearover field shooting, you know,
day in the old, um, pheasantshoot.
(15:44):
Mm-hmm.
The pheasant are over and themixer.
That Luke was filling up to makehis stuff for the roof.
So he, he comes running and inthe middle of Jess Bullick and
me, and he is like, Jess,they're shooting me out there.
So he had to go running it andsort them.
And I fight.
That's what saved my job.
Oh wow.
(16:04):
Came back.
He says, right pack up or gonnathe pub, I'll forget it.
Yeah you know, it's, um, wasn'tthe best builder, but I did
enjoy it and I did try and makea career.
(16:24):
It did let us loose way hammersand chisels because I said I'd
like to become a carpenter.
I, I'm one of people that I cando that.
Yeah.
You know, somebody says, oh, weneed like a dj.
I'd be, yeah, I can do that.
Yeah, I'll make that.
And then, the chaos later, butI've got now, but we're getting
(16:45):
yeah so it's.
Various different jobs, but, um,af after the, the building work,
anything, uh, I, I realized,well, I'm not cut out to be a
builder either.
And I was fortunate enough tomeet, um, uh, a partner Nicola
at the time.
Sadly, she's, uh, she's gonenow.
But, um, Nicola had, I hadsuggested at the time Ross
(17:09):
Henry's carting business.
Mm-hmm.
Which is, you know, carting islike delivering all of stuff
that comes off the cargo,collecting people's suitcases.
Nicola suggested, well, whydon't you like, I'll help and
Kenny set up up a business doingthe car, and yeah, done that.
And another one, NBI can do thatJoby, but I've done years.
(17:33):
I really did enjoy it.
Uh, sadly my health, but thebetter is at the end because
it's, it's, it's you.
You gotta be quite fit and it'sa young man's game, especially
working named steps, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Um, so yeah, just to explain tothe listeners, so because we
don't have cars on the island,we have Carters who are people
with tractors that are able topick up everyone's suitcases and
(17:55):
bags from.
The harbor, which if the boat iscoming in when the tide's low,
that's actually quite a lot ofsteps to carry all the bags up.
And then you put them on thetractor and the trailers and
then they get delivered to yourhotel, which just freaks
everyone out.
'cause it's the only place inthe world where you are asked to
leave your luggage withstrangers and trust them to just
turn up at your house.
(18:16):
And yeah, I mean, all of us.
We couldn't live without thecarers.
Like, every time I go onholiday, I forget that I need to
book to get my suitcasecollected.
And I get closer the next dayand I'm like, oh my God, I, I
can't put this on my bike.
So yeah, the carers likebasically keep the whole island
going.
But it is definitely a heavywork, isn't it?
It's heavy work.
(18:37):
And you know, you're out in allsorts of weather, come rain or
shiny.
People are coming and they wanttheir bags and everything.
But there was also some funtimes where quite a lot of fun
times where, you know, 1, 1, 1incident that would never forget
we had somebody there, there waspeople living here for the week,
I think it was.
Oh no, this was, it was abuilder.
(18:58):
He'd been working.
He was working here and hiscontract came to Nnn.
So he says, right, Jim, can youcollect our bags and take them
down and, and put them on theboat as used do, absolutely no
problem.
So we'd done our thing, just ajob, and seven o'clock at night
came up.
I got this totally random phonecall.
Alright, Jim?
(19:19):
I said, yeah.
Said well.
Can you explain something to me?
I was like, what?
I says, how come I can see mybags floating at the harbor
wall?
They ey.
And I was like, I said, what?
He said, I'm on the condor.
He says, and I'm heading off toEngland, and as we are coming
out, I can see my suitcase.
He's flattened.
Going up and against the,splashing up against the wall.
(19:39):
Basically, whenever they gotsent over.
Nobody picked him up for hissteps at the start shipping end
in Sey.
So when the tide came up, hisbags away and you like, you
couldn't, you make that storyup, you know, you could not do
it.
I can see my bags, mate.
I'm on the way to England andthey're floating past me.
(20:00):
You know, it's, um, yeah.
That is one, one of thememorable ones, eh?
Um, yeah.
But we've done for thefestivals, um, whenever we had
the folk festivals come in, sowe we're pretty intense.
And you've got, it's quite a, aresponsibility.
Yeah.
Well, he certainly, can you walkme up away a bit from being that
(20:21):
immature little gym, partlyrunning and playing hard, you
know, like, couldn't you do itafter a while?
Can you buckle down?
Could the responsibility wasmore than what it, what was
needed, eh?
Well that's what's interesting,isn't it?
'cause I feel like sarc, themain thing that I feel about
Sarrc is that the community isall encompassing and not like
(20:43):
anything I've ever experiencedanywhere else before.
And I've got a real, um.
I hold a torch for communitybecause I think it's the thing
that is the most resilient inthe future with all the madness
that's going on in the world.
Yeah.
I.
Protect anyone in what, inwhatever is gonna come.
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And we have no idea what's gonnacome.
But there are many, many threatson the many threats upon us at
the moment.
Yeah.
And I just think community is sokey.
And I feel like we have therichest community I've ever
known of here, and I'm sure thatthey're on other small islands
as well, but it's just socontained and it's just the
(21:24):
right number for us to fully.
Not know everybody.
'cause we definitely don't knoweverybody, but enough for us to
know most people and for us tobe able to look after each other
and take care of each other.
It feels like it's sort of justthe right amount of people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we have so many incredible,you know, everyone's doing
something like you are involvedin the, um, medical side of
(21:46):
things.
Do you wanna talk a bit aboutthat Um, well, so to begin with,
I start you, you know, um, thiswas probably after being two,
(22:07):
three years on the island.
I thought, well, I've got it.
You know, I want do something.
And I always fought because Iseen that they, they were
advertising for a fire serviceat the time.
I always thought that's a kindthing I could do.
Mm-hmm.
A great, there's too manystories in that one, but yeah.
So I kind thought, right, I'mgonna go and apply for it and
(22:28):
look, I buy luck because it'squite a tight process to get
into the fire service.
Mm-hmm.
But, uh, they, they managed andthey say, right.
Okay then Jim, you've, Kenny,got the vacancy.
Uh, and this is me coming up tomy 20 year service, um, in
November.
So I've got another three monthsand then I'll get a nice little
medal and I'll be hanging myboots up.
(22:50):
Then I.
You let the youngsters in andgo, but it was something I felt
I've give the communitysomething.
Everybody else seems to beworking so hard and doing, you
know, in, in sar you, you'llnotice yourself that you don't
wear just one hat.
You have to wear about fivedifferent hats during the course
of the day.
(23:11):
You know?
Yeah.
It's, um, but we all havedifferent jobs and, and you go
through one the other and youchange from being near there,
eh?
The CFR got born.
Now that's community firstresponders.
For the listeners and the, itwas a, I would say it was a
(23:33):
brain I mandate catch the whoyou stay live and work here.
Mm-hmm.
They fought our first responderrole could actually help start
so well.
Mm-hmm.
So it is, there was about sevenyears at the beginning.
We're now in our fifth year.
We're actually, we'recelebrating almost in September,
(23:55):
November time.
Okay.
Uh, and that's, the responder'sbeen going for five years.
And it means that we, we get acall out, we go and first
respond.
We're up to level, fre free.
We are training at the moment,so we, we are getting trained
pretty well.
Going to come over, um, manofrom St.
John's.
(24:15):
We do various other courses.
Holly, our practicing, uh, nursehere.
Yeah.
And she, she does her, hertraining nights for us.
Which is once a month, and sheabsolutely fantastic.
The wheel Asie deserves a medalherself just for what she does.
She really does.
She puts her heart and eateverything, eh?
Yeah.
She, yeah.
(24:36):
Uh, and, and we, we allappreciate her, you know,
because she's doing this on herown time.
But we've all got this, like, weall care for the community and
we, and we can give our bestevery time, you know.
And the least we can do for heris because she's given us that
is we go and we data trainingand we take it all on board and,
and try and better ourselves,eh?
(24:57):
Yeah.
Uh, and lighten the load for thedoctor here.
So it's, yeah, it is.
Got two or three different waysabout it.
Yeah.
People have got their differentviews in it because we're not
doctors.
We're just like you.
People say, oh, you, you're aglorified first aid.
It's not like that though.
You know?
You're not really because youpreserve life.
(25:19):
We can all end uping up glue.
But we, there, there is a morecan serious site to it.
Yeah.
Where you, you know what, if youcan preserve somebody's life and
we act, we actually had a, we awee girl that started with Young
Amy.
She, uh, Amy Perry, that is, um,she started with a couple years
(25:42):
ago, two years now.
Yeah.
She was very, very, very, whineyold shirt.
She didn't need too muchconfidence.
At the beginning, likeeverybody, you know your
confidence where you hold back,but there is an incident and I,
I think I can say this on, on,on the radio there is a lady
down, little sar and she neededCPR.
(26:02):
And just by the Helly Lights,whatever young Amy was passing
and she jumped straight intowhat she was doing.
It just all, all the fear, oh, Ican't do that.
Or maybe that.
And she saved that, that thatlady's life.
Yeah.
You know, and she is, and, andGonzi recognized that, and they
gave her an award, which waseven better.
(26:23):
Yeah.
You know, one for the girls.
Yeah.
It's incredible.
It feels like you're so pushedto in directions you'd never
have dreamed of.
Oh.
You wouldn't, I mean, you justwouldn't expect that you are.
'cause I totally think of youguys as as ambulance service.
You are there quicker than a UKambulance.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Easy.
And you know, and I, I, we don'thear the, we don't hear the
(26:46):
traffic, uh, we don't hearbustling people and, and all
sorts of things.
Okay.
We jump in our bikes or we canget there by tractor.
Uh, and then we work alongsideSt.
John's in Guernsey.
You know, they, they, they set,they help us with the flag,
Christine, which is an ambulancebook that they send over to take
(27:07):
patients back and forth,anything, you know, and in the
downtime, normally about anhour.
And you'll be in hospital inGuernsey.
Yeah, from, from that phonecall, you can't even see a
doctor in the UK for eighthours.
So, so we're, we're pretty good.
We're pretty good.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
We're spoiled.
We're spoiled.
That's, uh, that's the onlydownside.
(27:27):
Yeah.
It's amazing work.
And I, I, and yeah, like.
The first time I worked with youwas through you supporting with
the Beltane Festival and doingthe marquees and it just, all of
us put on so many different hatsand then we're in the government
together now as well.
How are you finding that?
You won't talk about it too much'cause we probably can't talk
about it, but did the governmentYes, I, I'll put my hands up.
(27:51):
I was always wondering peoplethat would be.
Either in the pub standing orout in the street chatting and
said, oh, I didn't bloodypolitic.
They doing nothing for her.
Mm-hmm.
They, you know, it's likethey're all lazy up in the
office.
I'm forced to put my hands upand take over every word that
bike because I they work sohard.
Julie, it is absolutely, andit's a fight this task so many
(28:14):
times, a lot of the times.
But they work so hard to try.
Better the island for everybody,not just themselves.
Yeah.
It's crazy, crazy the amount ofwork that goes into mm-hmm.
The emails.
Yes.
There's a lot of good emailwarriors and very quick in there
(28:38):
and it's fine.
Let carry on if they can answerit.
That's me answering that.
I can think about something elsethen, you know, but it.
It's very, it is interesting.
It is certainly not what Ithought.
She please was, yeah, it's abit, it was a culture shock for
me, let's put it that way.
Yeah.
You know, I thought, man, thisis it.
You just go in and you justtalk.
No, no, no, no, no.
(28:58):
You gotta learn this.
You gotta learn that lawslegislation.
And I like, yeah, okay, here wego.
And that was me in my big mouth.
I can do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, I've done a couple oflittle things that I was like,
oh, I done that.
Yeah.
(29:18):
So yeah.
I'm quite, I'm quite pleased.
Yeah.
I'm quite pleased.
It's been the most, like, I feellike I've done a massive course.
Like I've, I feel like I've beenstretched way further than I've
been stretched since going touniversity or something like
that.
Just because the amount that youhave to get your head round.
Yeah.
And then this is real people'slives, like we are having huge
impacts You see everybody, evenif you're at war with this
(29:41):
person, you're like on oldkeyboard, you still gotta be,
hello.
How you doing?
You know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because that's, that's where thecommunity comes in.
Yeah.
And doesn't matter who you fallthat with, you always can you.
Yeah.
And we, we always respect, atthe end of the day, you'll say
hello to someday.
You never, you wouldn't eventhing with him, you know?
Yeah.
Together, and eat together andoutside whenever it's done.
(30:08):
There's one thing we've neverhad in SAT for wee.
Really?
There's been a murder.
No murder.
I'd love to join the theatergroup just to get that one line
and there's been a murder.
Right.
That's brilliant.
I love it.
I speak to Gavin about that.
Yeah.
And sar, I would recommend it toany youngsters that, that really
(30:30):
would like to come and see whatSARTs about.
And I would bet that 99.9 wouldalso come back and end up trying
to live here, eh?
Yeah.
But it's a fantastic littleplace.
Yeah.
You either love it or you don't.
If you don't need pretty quickif.
I love it.
In the carting, when I wascutting, I did see the quickest
turnaround Yeah.
(30:51):
They off the boat, you walked tothe top, they looked over the
wall and off they went back withother suitcases.
They came, they came for a jobat one of the hotels, eh, nah,
I'm not liking this.
And off they went again.
Well, that's hilarious.
Yeah.
Okay, just going back quicklyto, um, back to when I arrived
(31:11):
and saw another irony thing waslike, I came off that on, on the
ceiling across, and I rememberit so clearly.
And I go, oh, this is reallybeautiful coming in, you know,
from the knee down and you tieup.
Yeah.
And boy got me suitcases and Ithought, okay, well this is it.
I've gotta go his stocks.
I didn't even know there was a,a tractor taking him up the hill
(31:33):
and taking him to the hotel foryou.
So I said, slog all the way upthe hill where these two
massive, a big suitcases, myOrly belongings.
And then to realize 13 yearslater that I'd actually be doing
that myself.
But I do the most beautifulthing I say, I.
I knew that straight away withincoming through that tunnel.
(31:56):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's, it's stunning.
As soon as I was Lighthouse, Iremember thinking how it looked
like Game of Thrones, and I wasjust like, there'd be dragons
here.
Look at this place.
Yeah.
Oh, well you talk about GamesThrones.
Well.
(32:21):
Well, you know what I am gonnado, talking about Game of
Thrones, is I'm gonna pull threerooms and the rooms are for us
to just talk about a thing thatthe is, is letting fate just
choose what we're talking about.
And I normally do tarot cards,but because you have room
tattoos, I thought we should dothat.
I know.
(32:42):
So have you ever had a rain poolfor you before?
No.
I normally just pull my own onesand say, oh, that sounds good
today.
That'll do it.
So you, do you pull your ownrings?
I do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How cool.
I said, got a little mat in thatand I lick.
Right.
Okay.
So I pull that one and that'show I go out, out the door.
This is me today, and I can goby the room.
(33:03):
Oh, that's wonderful.
I do.
Yeah, I do that.
That's a really cool thing.
Yeah.
It, it's funny you see thatthere, there's a few people
like, I, I didn't realize thatKara was into, uh, yeah.
And them, so there, there's,there's a few hidden people here
that are actually Yeah.
To believe in the old ways.
Yes.
In the old ways.
Exactly.
Ways.
Yeah.
What does your tattoo say?
(33:23):
If you don't mind me asking, youdon't have to tell me, but
what's your tattoo?
One of them.
For everyone that, uh, wondersis not lost.
Uhhuh, that's that one there canfind.
Yeah.
These were just all differentruin now.
They're, they're not yourstandard ruins.
They're all different ruins.
IK went back to as, as far as Icould find, as much we depict
(33:44):
being Scottish.
And I try to pull bits in,whatever.
So whenever I got that done, itwasn't supposed to go all over
like that, but I don't know howit ended up.
And we just ended up puttingthem all across like that.
We were, there were supposed tobe a bit more uniform, but, but
it, I probably too much talkingactually.
(34:06):
And then, but, but it was toolate, so they are totally
random.
So you could just close youreyes.
That's how I am today.
Jim, look at, oh, you're fast.
I love that you do a readingwith your own arm.
I love it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm gonna put my hand in.
I'm gonna, uh, oh, a reading.
And it's not a reading, it'sjust something for us to chat.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
(34:27):
Ooh, it's actually one of myfavorite readings.
So Raz or the Thorn.
On.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What does that mean to you?
Because I have meanings forthese rings, but what does it
mean to you?
That one, to me, I wouldn't knowtoo much.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it means the, it means likea, a shamanic journey.
(34:49):
And what I always think of it abit like the thorn on a rose, so
you're gonna get a rose, so it'sworth it.
It's, it's basically almost thebest prize you can get.
Yeah, but it's not gonna beeasy.
And it's ths ruin the god ofthunder.
So you're expecting it.
Storms and hardship, but it'swell worth it.
'cause you're gonna get right atthe end of it.
When you said that, when you, myactual thoughts are well
(35:12):
foreign, it's going to beforney, which means there's
going to be something, it'sgoing to be either prickly or
dangerous.
It could be a dangerous roadyou're going down that is.
What's been the kind of hardestjourney you've had, but was the
most rewarding?
Hardest journey, but mostrewarding.
(35:34):
That's an easy one.
Na, being a father.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it was hard.
It, it was hard actually,because.
I've never, never been one, butI, I, I quite honestly was
quite, Ima mature, you know, Isay always wondering lads in the
pub and that kinda thing.
And I, it made me have takenlook at myself more and make
(35:58):
choices actually.
Yeah.
You know, what I needed to doto, to to, to actually be that
good father that I know I am,you know?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it was tough journey.
But it was a lovable journey.
So I don't know if, if abeautiful boy to show for it and
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
Yeah.
And, and you, you know, it'slike we had our ups and downs
(36:21):
Kenny thing.
Yeah.
Uh, Flynn and I, but we don'tthink Flynn and I's ever had a,
had had an argument, you know,that.
Oh.
Uh, and that to me is just like,I've always said that my, my
parents, uh, my parents theywere fine.
They were great parents, youknow, hardworking.
They've done everything for us.
They made it.
And I always said, I wouldn't, Iwouldn't need treat my son like
(36:42):
I.
Their way because obviously theycame Victorian parents, you
know?
Yeah.
And, and think, right, well I'mgonna try something different
here.
You know?
Fingers crossed, no dis.
Amazing job.
Everyone loves Flin.
Well done.
(37:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, it is good.
I'm glad.
Well, I'm pleased to hear that.
Yeah, he's a good boy.
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I'll put another one for you.
So this one is the torch.
(40:15):
So it's Ken Torch, and this islike shining a torch into the
darkness.
So is there, like, what's beenthe most interesting thing that
you've kind of learned and yeah,like has been.
Like look, looking like lookinginto something or, yeah, looking
into the darkness.
I always think of it a bit like,Indiana Jones going down a
(40:36):
tunnel.
Yeah.
I do play with the, well, Idon't play with.
Yeah.
There is no godkin thing, youknow?
And, uh, and the afterlife.
Absolutely.
There's, I kind of stop readingor watching programs and, and
things like that.
You know, Romans old history.
Yeah.
But, but that's lookingbackwards, the past, eh?
(40:59):
So, so looking into the darktorches, always asking what is
next for us?
Where does our journey go afterhumans?
You know, that's how I.
Yeah.
And what does he believe in?
Are you, uh, you believe indays?
What does that mean to you?
I, I just believe that where,this is, this is hell, we're in
(41:22):
hell at the moment.
Uh, you know, and we've gotsome, something next to that
take to come to, you know, we'reonly vessels carrying under our
souls at the moment.
Yeah.
And, uh, I, I do believe thatthere is an afterlife that's for
sure.
Yeah.
Um, it might not be theafterlife that we think there is
or whatever, but I do believethat we go somewhere and, and we
(41:44):
do evolve re reincarnatesomething along the line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I love it.
I really enjoy it.
Thinking about all that stuffand talking about it.
It's one of my favorite.
Yeah.
And I've got no idea, but I'm, Icould talk about it all day
long.
I don't talk to many peopleabout the things that I think
(42:04):
about because I'm, skating caselocked me up, you know, we've
got you up anyway for many otherthings.
Well, yeah, there's that Maddycoming along again, but, you
know, but.
Horrible for.
It's just like, yeah, I, I'mkeen for it.
Yeah.
Since once I was told that,well, I had the quadruple bypass
(42:24):
at a very young age of 40.
Um, you know, the, the doctorssay that I died twice on the
table.
Oh, wow.
Um, so that kinda changed myperspective to a few things than
two years ago when I had thesecond heart attack, which
damaged the first heart attack.
(42:44):
A totally different perspectiveagain.
Wow.
There was this one, and I'llnever forget this one particular
little nurse, she said, that'sit, son.
We can't do anything else.
And that thought that rings inmy head every day.
You know, it's like, and I'mlike, man, so I made peace with
myself.
That's all I could do, you know?
(43:06):
So I'm like, come on.
And I challenge you now myfriend.
I'm ready.
There's nothing we can do it.
So yeah, just take it on it onthe chin, how it comes.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
Well, that's, that's literallythe goal.
That's my goal is to find peace.
So, yeah.
And that, and that is it, youknow, it's, um, I, and I tell
everybody that I'm happy and,you know, especially some.
(43:29):
I don't know how he puts upthis, because i's like, right,
mate, we've got our will here,right here.
So I said, you need to come runtomorrow and we're gonna put
another page in this.
Will, you know?
And he's like, but he's like,yeah dad, we need to do this
Now.
He's, he's caught it on, youknow, he is like, yeah, good.
That's it.
He's, can he talk to me?
Say, look, it's not a bad thingwhen somebody passes.
(43:52):
Yeah.
You'll hurt you'll be tearfulfor a few days.
Wait, but, enjoy the good times.
Memory should.
Yeah.
And people are always with youas well.
Like I've, I've lost a reallystrangely large number of people
since 2020.
So when I moved here, I've lost18 people since I moved here.
Wow.
Which is a bit, that's a lot.
Yeah.
A bit crazy.
(44:13):
And, uh, I even, it was myfriend's funeral on Friday, so
it's like, God Yeah.
In the moment.
And I, they are with me all thetime.
Like I've lost three bestfriends since I lived here.
And, I see them all the time.
They're in the birds, they'rein, they're everywhere.
I, yeah.
Yeah.
They turn up and make me laughall the time because it's really
funny when they've turned up andit's like they're playing with
(44:34):
me, and it, yeah.
My memory, my thoughts, my ownhead doing it.
But they're so fun that I letthem, I allow it to be as real
as if they were alive, you know?
And, and yeah, no, no, but I've,I stood, wi winter days are,
are, are the best for me.
You know, you can, you can bedoing something and then you can
see the trees moving.
Then the next thing you can see.
(44:56):
Oh, there you go.
And you, you can see, well, I'veseen the odds here before, you
know?
Yeah.
I watched that much.
But that, that, that's, it getsinto your imagination.
Yeah.
And then you start seeing whatis real.
But yeah.
Is it dogs?
Dogs can tell that there is aspirit there, can't they?
(45:18):
Absolutely.
You know, so we, we don't know.
We don't, and there's more roomfor that in Sark, I think.
'cause you're not surrounded byconcrete and tarmac.
It's easier for Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Have that moment in thebeautiful sunshine in a sunset
or, yeah.
I mean, the amount of times I'vecried at sunsets and.
It felt like someone's with, weused to, um, when we first got
go, don't you, the lighthouse,you know, bit, you up one bit.
(45:41):
You, you, you'd go to themermaid, you hear you fun in the
mermaid at night.
Then you'd go and sit and talkof the, the lighthouse roof and
that was it.
You wake up then you didn't evenfall asleep actually.
And you just watch sunburn andevery, and it is beautiful.
You can't be, there's nothing atall that can replace that, that
as a memory, you know.
Absolutely.
(46:01):
Yeah.
We're so lucky we get to watchthe sunset and then the moon
rise, like, oh yeah.
Basically walking a few meters.
That's incredible.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
This is it.
Eh, you know, it's, um, yeah.
Well, I think maybe me and youshould get together after.
Yeah, I'm up.
That's a date.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's see what happens at thenext belt.
(46:38):
Okay.
And the last room is the sun.
We were just talking about it.
The sunset.
Wow.
So this is, this is like fullbrightness and illumination.
So I guess it's a bit like whatwe're talking about of what is
it that gives you full hope andmakes you feel like it's all
worth it?
The most is, is seen results.
You know, it's no same results.
That's your own words.
(46:59):
Getting the, the knowing thateither you've just saved
somebody's life mm-hmm.
Or you've done something that,that has gave that person a
better chance in life.
Yeah.
It's, um, I like, um, like we,we, we do, Dom and I dom's my
friend.
Mm-hmm.
And we, we kind got togethermany years ago and said, been.
(47:26):
Uh, and start for a while afterJohn's accident, and we started
this and we thought, oh, this isreally good.
A lot of people came for it, andwe thought, well, we could raise
some money for different,various charities for around the
island.
Mm-hmm.
And, and we have through theyears.
Uh, one year we got some, uh,what is it?
Bulletproof Vest.
(47:47):
Now this was a random.
One, um, for the Ukrainianpeoples that were going in and
outta towns to bring the peopleover.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
We, we, we had, had heard thatthey needed help, right.
But we had this money sat thereand we thought, right, okay,
well this is the cause thatwe're going to do this year with
the money.
Um.
After that when we, we've boughtan electric wheelchair, which,
(48:11):
um, allows the older, some ofthe older islanders to, to get
out with their, their carer.
And so they, they're not stuckat home.
And these little things arelike, it gives you so much
happiness, knowing Yeah, look atthat.
There we go.
There's another one.
Well done, done it.
You know, no need.
You can make other people happythat's my drive.
Yeah, that's a i'd, uh, I'd givemy right ear to before I'd, I'd
(48:34):
take one for myself, eh?
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Wow.
Timba, you're lovely.
You really are.
It's, it's, I need self gameanymore.
It's like if I can meet peoplehappy, even my dog.
Yeah.
I love dancing with my dog.
Absolutely.
We turn the music on and that'sit.
We passed time, eh, brilliant.
(48:55):
Yeah, but I'm, I'm not an oldsadr actually.
I do have a pretty active life.
We go fishing, camping with boysand, and doing different things.
And at the moment my, uh, my newjob is becoming a dj.
That's why, and that's what thisis all building towards as well.
Yeah.
Radio station going, I wannalisten to your radio.
(49:16):
I could listen to you all daylong.
Ah, we could have fun.
I, I was, uh, I was telling, uh,Bernard one, you, one of your
clients, uh, today he burn's,had a stroke so I could, doing
three or free days a week toJust give a bit of you.
Keep on going.
Whenever we get the, uh, radiostation, I'm going, you, you and
(49:39):
like hell, you're, I, I'mtelling you, I'm gonna come in
and we'll just talk normal.
So I've, I've got it linked upmy ideas, you know?
Yeah.
Oh, it'll be brilliant.
I really, I, I think it's gonnawork and I think it's gonna be
awesome and I'd love, I can'twait to hear it.
People say, Hey Jim, you talkenough dribble in the day.
So yeah, you're a man for a job.
Yeah.
(49:59):
You might as well do it as ajob.
Yeah.
You know, we just have to pass Xamount of hours.
It doesn't matter what we talkabout.
Yeah, exactly.
It'll be awesome.
the last thing that we do is weask for a chaos crusade, and
(50:20):
that is something that you wouldrecommend for people to do to
just break the like habits ofeveryday life and to.
Just make you sort of appreciatewhere you are and what you're
doing for a second.
You know, wake up from the dreamfor a moment.
Take the danger, take, take theroad and, and show people.
Yeah.
Do you know, I think I cananswer that one a lot.
(50:44):
I've not being an old duck here,right?
Mm-hmm.
But the l kids out there, um,that they really understand like
the drugs and alcohol.
I think would be the one.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but we all take alcohol andnot realizing how much data
(51:05):
danger we're actually givenmm-hmm.
Uh, to ourselves and some, someof the drugs that people tamper
away, especially the, all thesesynthetics, it's um, to, to give
something a shock culture is totake them, run to even an old
people's home with people wherethere are cases.
That's what you could end upbeing, or this is what, why
(51:27):
you've ended up with thesedifficulties.
Mm-hmm.
And because it, it is, it's,they, they are diseases, you
know, they, they're, they are aseasy and I think need to shock
culture on somebody to take themaround and say, well, look, this
is your options here, you know?
But I don't know if that's wherewe're going with that one or
not, but Yeah.
No, no, no, that's good.
I mean, it's, it's good.
It's'cause I think we, um,especially on soc alcohol has
(51:51):
been one of the things that Iwas quite, well, I, I messaged
all, I dunno if you know that Iknow Cara from doing a tutor
reenactment.
We dress as tutors and, and liveas tutors and the public paid to
come and see what living historyis like.
So that's how I know Cara andmoved here is that Cara was here
having met Ash.
Being a carriage driver andRight.
Working for Michelle.
(52:12):
And as soon as she got here sherang me up and said, it's just
like that place where we work.
It's just like the Tudor placeand Yeah, people come over and
visit.
So I came over and this Tudorplace, you'd love it.
You would.
Absolutely.
It is.
So yeah, like we're all incostume and we're sitting around
campfires and singing songs andpretending to be tutors with
guns and swords and all thissort of stuff.
Yeah, very cool.
(52:33):
Um, but we drink very heavilyand it's really good fun.
We're only there for like fourweeks in a year, drinking as
heavily as we do.
And I moved here and I got intouch with all my friends there
on, on WhatsApp.
I was like, everyone here drinkslike we do, but all the time and
forever.
(52:55):
It's a level of.
Uh, drinking here.
That's way above what we do inthe uk.
And, and it's it does worry me.
You know, I've been clear seseven years today actually, that
I've, I know congratulations,um, like clean from drinking
alcohol, but it was that I was araging, need a beer every time.
(53:15):
I just enjoyed, enjoyed theweekend, you know.
Yeah, but it was like, enjoyedthe weekend, which went and, and
Wendy Tuesday, Wednesday,Thursday.
So yeah.
Life was a party.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, but I, and yeah, Iprobably made a fool of myself
more than a lot of people in theside.
However, I can seen the, the airin my ways and Yeah.
I, and I hate watching theyoungsters.
(53:37):
Can you go and doing the roadythings that I've done myself.
And realizing it's not all aboutgoing out and getting smashed
all the time or getting as drunkas you can.
I know there is a, a level and Ifeel sorry that people, okay,
you can go, you can enjoyyourself, but it can you, yeah.
(53:59):
As you said earlier, can you,let's go and get annihilated it.
What worries us, you know?
Yeah, definitely.
And I think it has.
I think it's got better.
I think it has got a bit better.
In the time that I've lived hereI feel like it's a bit less, uh,
intense.
I dunno, the, the people doshots a bit less than they did
(54:21):
when I first moved here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I feel.
I see a European side actuallykin culture coming into sar.
You know, I, I don't go to thepubs or that bit, you know, I, I
enjoy going for a restaurant,eating, and yes, the, there,
there is the, the, thedifferent, where the Europeans
(54:44):
are a bit more relaxed bit.
Out to get as drunk and wobblyas they can.
You know where Yeah.
And, and I'm seen that some ofthe youngsters actually are
taking that step back andcalming down a little bit.
Yeah.
But, but it is still a worryingfor the rest of.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
I fully agree with that.
Yeah.
It's, um, I, as, as for the drugside of their life, well, I just
(55:07):
hope that they can keep thiscleared up path as long as they
can.
Yeah.
Lost a lot of good friendsthrough, through drugs.
I lost my brother through drugsand there's a lot of, a lot of
things that, you know, I justfeel that if people were, had,
had the support, it could be adifferent story for a Lauren,
but it will ruin their lives,you know?
(55:27):
Sorry to be in a really down onein that, but that's alright.
It's, it's that kind thing wherethe chaos has to come to a halt.
Yeah.
And, and you realize that, no,we need to stop this.
Or if you've got a friend, forinstance, that I know has gone
Right.
Done it and you can see thebrick wall in front of him.
Yeah.
You, you need to really pullyourself and, and do everything
(55:49):
you can saved.
And that that's what he must.
I totally agree with that.
And I do, I mean, personally, Ithink alcohol's the worst out of
all of them.
The ones that I've, I have lostpeople to alcohol and the
closest we've ever got to losingother people has been through
alcohol.
For me personally, I have lostsomeone from drugs as well.
But yeah, I'm always into, um,getting more from less.
(56:12):
That's part of my ethos.
Yeah.
Yeah.
More from less.
Yeah.
But like that, yeah.
I dunno why that's going on, butI'm enjoying it.
Yeah.
No, well that's the thing.
I think it's a balance, isn'tit?
And I think if you've got peacewith yourself, then you'll have
to spend time on your own.
(56:33):
And it, it, it's, it's more bigcrowds.
They used to be in big crowdsall the time.
You know, I'd be, be, yeah, I'dbe, there's a lads at the bar
there.
You did.
You go and that and be night andwhatever.
Where now it's like, do you knowwhat?
Yeah, I'm just going read.
I.
Or I'm just going eat 12 o'clockin it.
I'm just going turn my music onwhat I do.
(56:57):
How kicked off.
But yeah.
'cause you can do these things,eh?
No, totally.
Yeah.
Thank you so much, Jim.
That was wonderful.
That was good chatting with you.
That was so good.
You're a beautiful human being.
Thank you.
Well, thank you.
It's, um, yeah, so we edit thislate and take it on a really bad
part.
(57:18):
No, it's all staying in.
Have to do this again.
Eh.
The bad parts will always be thebits that everyone enjoys the
most.
So this is it.
This is it.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Julie, listen.
Thank you very much.
Ready for work now because man,across the road.
(57:50):
What a beautiful person he is.
I can't believe how much I lovethat guy.
He's gorgeous.
I left it recording, then I leftthe that into the edit at the
end there because that's himgoing off to work to go and look
after someone.
He was heading off to go andtake care of someone.
And yeah, I, I just reallyenjoyed that conversation and.
(58:12):
The more we talked, the more Iwas like, wow, you are such a
beautiful person and we are wallto wall beautiful people over
here.
There are so many people thatare giving and looking after and
taking care of people, and it'sjust.
I love people's universes and Iwant to keep exploring and
looking into different people'srealities and the way they see
(58:34):
the world.
'cause there's always something,there's something medicinal in
everyone and, and insight anduh, yeah.
You're like, oh God, I neverthought of things that way, or I
haven't looked at things thatway before.
And, and also just.
Just people are so lovely.
People are lovely.
And I just think that's a reallyimportant narrative in a world
that keeps saying that peoplearen't, and it's so easy for us
(58:56):
to buy into the paranoia and thedivision, which is completely
calculated.
You know, divide and conquer isas old as time.
It is a well-known tactic.
You divide people and you canthen conquer them easier, and
that is what the media does.
The media is telling us that ourenemies are immigrants or our
(59:17):
enemies of people with brownskin or our enemies of the
annoying poor family down theroad, or our enemies is just our
neighbor or our enemies is our.
Partner, like literally, you arejust being separated and
separated and separated.
And that is because it is easierto control you and fill you with
fear and make you stay home andparalyzed.
(59:37):
And when you start to actuallyconnect with people and you
spend time in community, that'swhen you go, oh my God,
everyone's in the same boat asme.
We are all the same.
We all have fears and love andpassion, and we are all caring
and kind and.
We are gonna look after eachother, and if we start looking
(59:57):
after each other, we startlooking out for each other.
And if we start looking out foreach other, we are harder to
conquer.
And that is why divide andconquer is a very useful tactic.
And so that is also whycommunity is the answer.
It is key.
And the more we get to know eachother and work together and
learn to.
Embrace and say yes, and fillour world with love and
(01:00:20):
connection and community ratherthan fear and separation and
individualism andself-absorption.
It's just, come on guys.
It's all about each other.
It's all about each other.
That's how we're gonna getthrough this future and make the
world a better place and, andnot heading to.
The abyss that we are beingdescribed as being in front of
(01:00:42):
us.
You know, we don't have to liveinto that reality.
We need to create our own.
And my way of doing that, mybelief in my creation of my
reality that I want to live intois a beautiful community.
Where we look after each otherand take care of each other and
deal with all the shadow andcrunch and difficulties and
clashes and conflict Conflict'snot a bad thing.
(01:01:05):
Nothing happens without drama.
Like, you know, if you watch theEast Enders and there was no
conflict, you wouldn't watch it,would you?
You need conflict for things tohappen.
You need conflict for things tomove on, but it doesn't mean you
have to hate each other over it,and it doesn't mean you have to
like try and avoid it.
You just have to embrace it andbe like, yeah, that's the fuel,
that's the combustion engine.
That makes change.
That makes things happen.
(01:01:25):
Don't be afraid of change.
And yeah, don't be afraid toopen your heart up and love your
love thy neighbor.
Well, I love my Jimmy.
I've gotta say that he's abeautiful person and I really,
really hope that we're able toget a radio show off the ground
because.
I, I could listen to Jimmy allday, so gonna help him do that
and support him on that journeyand watch this space.
(01:01:47):
I'll let you know if we, um, ifwe have a radio station, I will
advertise it to you guys, sohopefully you'll be hearing a
lot more from Jimmy.
But thank you ever so much forbeing here.
Huge love to all of you.
And I shall see the enon.
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