July 4, 2025 • 54 mins
It's been a year since the Nonsense in the Podcast began and it is a pleasure to be bringing you this week's episode from Glastonbury Festival 2025!
It was a bit of a tough one though, even amidst having an amazing time, surrounded by people I love and adore. Who never fail to make me laugh.
But there’s so much conflict and pressure in the world right now. We’re all tired and life's hard. We’re more than this. Life's more than this. It’s all bigger than this. And the game, the inner world, the Dreaming, our creativity… It’s all more than this. I don’t know how it’s all going to figure out, but having been at Glastonbury this year, and experiencing a vision there, I am reassured once more that all will be well.
AND things are not right. Corruption, neo-liberalism, propaganda, censorship, fascism, lies… These all are happening and the UK is shockingly volatile. Glastonbury Festival likewise feels shaky. Like it has lost its way and is in danger of collapsing. As does the UK. These are difficult times. We are witnessing genocide and are being censored from speaking out against it. Things are a mess.
But we will find a way through all this. We must keep going. We will find a miracle. Things will correct themselves. And love, as always, is the answer.
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The.
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Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host, Jaylie Rose.
I got back to SARC today fromGlastonbury Festival.
I had to get the ferry over.
I slept at my in-laws inGuernsey last night because the
flight arrived after the lastferry to sarc.
And then I got up very early inthe morning, got a lift to.
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Town had breakfast in town, goton the ferry, and then had to
leg it on my bike around to themermaid where I worked today.
And then I had to leave themermaid early and leg it over to
the parliament, chief policegovernment for a parliament
assembly meeting where wediscussed lots of really
important issues, some of themto do with education, which I'm
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the chair of, and now I'm here.
So my voice is a little croakybecause I also.
Have now stopped smoking anddrinking again.
So I had an amazing time.
It was extremely, uh, fun, shallwe say.
And my throat is, uh, brokenfrom shouting and screaming and
laughing and crying and havingthe best time ever at
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Glastonbury and smoking lots oftobacco.
And I'm so happy to not be doingany of it anymore.
And I've given myself, uh, yeah,the next, until New Year, I'm
gonna be clean in every way.
And then that means that when I.
Finished the year, I will havedone 10 months out of a year of
uh, not drinking and I justdon't wanna smoke ever again.
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I am glad that I got so addictedthis time'cause I think it will
help me to desist from smokingin the future.
'cause I, like I said, in thelast podcast, I got used to
being able to socially smoke.
So I will stop this smokymalarkey, but it does mean my
throat's a bit, um, gluggy atthe moment.
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Excuse me.
Do you guys, if I get yourresponse on the, um, you need,
you have your personal wrist?
Yes.
Okay.
Gonna look the accreditation onthat side.
Which side?
Where, um, you know, you want,yeah.
Oh, well just, I'm just gonnacheck.
'cause the Shang one was therelast year.
Yeah.
So that's easy three to getyour.
Can your festival responsible?
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I need a No, no.
I've put mine.
Oh, that's alright.
Yeah, no, that's cool.
I can, where's that one then?
Is oh yeah, I know, right?
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Yesterday, but I haven't saw,um, I'm sorted for these two are
set camp.
sure.
Hello.
I've got, I've done that, but doI need to get a two more
wristbands?
Uh, Jo V-J-O-L-I-E.
Hello.
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Oh, hello.
How you doing?
Hi.
Thank you for the help I need toget, I wanna annoying you.
Is there any chance of getting aspare?
One of them, someone who's inthe, my guy.
Very good about it.
Yeah.
Mine was not before I it in IThat'd be amazing.
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Woo.
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So, Glastonbury.
Wow.
It was crazy.
It was so crazy.
So I was there employed byShangrila, by the amazing Kay
Dunnings, who I'm hoping I willget to interview.
And I want to talk to her abouther creative journey and what
was going on with Shangrila thisyear.
But basically.
I was asked to come along andtake part as one of the
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interactive performers.
There's been interactiveperformers in the Shangri Art
area, which before that was lostvagueness, so that's been 20 odd
years at least.
I think it might even be morethan that, and it's sort of an
integral part of the naughtycorner as this interactive
performance space.
There are less performers thanthere used to be.
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I mean, probably there was morethis year than there were last
year, but definitely compared tothe old days of Las Vegas,
there's less, but it's still anintegral part of what Shangrila
does.
And we, this year it was alreadywilded, so that was the theme.
So for the last few years, it'sbeen a high street.
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And there's been lots ofmessaging about Capitalism and
Obey and Donald Trump.
And like we played the part ofestate agents trying to sell
port leaves for a million poundsto live in and like broken
tents, as a state agents.
And then we had supermarketswhere people trying to sell
things and.
And like the ethos last year waseverything must go and
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everything did go.
And this year we demolished thehigh street, opened it all up,
made it a much more, a wider,more welcoming space, but
completely rewild.
So there was allotments andnature themed installations.
And then we were in a tunnelcalled the Realm.
And within that there were thehostiles that were types of
elementals, but were confusedand perplexed because.
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Things had gone so weird in theworld and they weren't behaving
normally.
And so there was a guardian wholed people through that tried to
protect you from these kind ofbeings that could turn and just
suddenly be freaky and scary.
So like, yeah, they were beingprotecting the.
People who walked through theaudiences.
And then during the day, wewalked through Shangri Lara's
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performers, um, as part of aprocession.
So in these incredible folkcostumes that they had made
that, uh.
You know, looked like folktraditional characters and
costumes, but with a, uh,performance art, Shangri La,
which is slightly mad Maxey,kind of slant to it.
And they looked great.
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They were amazing.
And then we had the boss, MorrisDancers, who were also awesome.
I'd love to interview them atsome point.
And it was an all female Morrisdancing troupe that were dancing
to nineteens clap.
Nineties classics.
So that was really fun.
And then so we'd stop and BossMorris would dance and they set
off streamers and it was justgreat.
Like it was a real event.
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And then we got asked to get upon the stage and dance with
Craig Charles on the Friday, andthat was epic.
And it was boiling hot, but wedidn't care.
We danced for probably abouthalf an hour on the stage with
him.
It was brilliant.
What a thing.
What the thing to have done.
So that was really fun Oh yeah.
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Just like.
Australian, um, like videostroke podcast, and they have
these, uh, two, they have thischallenge when everyone says,
what are the odds?
Yeah.
Someone says, oh, one in 50, andthen they say a number at the
same time.
Oh, if that number's at the sametime, the person has to do the
challenge.
Oh, so the guy goes.
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What are the odds having a dickPierce, having a Prince Albert
and he is like, ah, one in 50.
And he basic said 27 at the sametime and they have, so the next
week he had to go and get,that's really good I that we
should do that.
Working an.
No, that was really good.
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Your finances saying is a badidea.
Well, my attorney says it.
Dinner.
I'm, yeah, she's my attorney.
Yeah, like and yeah.
Yeah.
We're gonna be fine.
Facts.
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What's in the sparkly thing ofme?
It, it's a very diluted politan,but it's great Rice politan, not
lime vodka.
You are, I I see a cocktail.
Yeah.
Did you?
ISN two cocktail.
You can only.
Well, no, but Oh, co.
Mine's a good one.
There's the two.
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The battery?
Yeah, there's the call.
Oh, I, no, no I wouldn't, no.
I think old fashion's myfavorite with I.
Oh, I love And a old fashioned,exactly.
My favorite.
You can make big amounts inthere, like with, so like, you
can make big amount ofmargarita.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, okay.
P Well, you mixologist though.
Uh, only cocktail.
So.
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Yeah, he us a name.
It was like baristas.
He, but did you, yeah.
But did you train to do all ofstuff?
Trained?
Someone taught me how to do it.
Right?
Yeah.
You would do with any other job.
Yeah.
So I didn't give a shit name toit.
Yeah.
Are you a barista?
Well, I've worked in I coffeetwo years.
I've got a bed.
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This is how you came financehere.
Account mate.
I don't remember.
I mean, mate, it's just your, itdoesn't need to your, to your
money.
This is financial.
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I don't know what financialmeans.
Do I get paid for it?
I think we have a differentversion of what it means, and
they're both wrong.
You're not paying me, I'm notmaking you any money.
Right?
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We just lose each other moneyall the time.
Fucking is.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Uh, it's all gone.
It's all gone.
There's nothing left, gone.
Lovely.
Each other's finance as well?
No.
Each other's?
Um, each other?
Well, there's shoppingassistant.
We other retail therapist,retail therapists, other retail
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therapists.
We, we went out, we spent allour money.
We did, we went shopping today,and then I left some.
That's where I got these from.
Like we do a lot climbing.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Okay, cool.
What?
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We've got a mutual friend, poundgroup of climbing friends, and
we all like, we all the same,all just like, you know, he
drives an old car.
He is not exuberant.
His bonus.
20 grand.
287,000 barking.
How is that more than he getspaid?
No, he gets a hundred KA year.
Yeah.
It's way more than he got paid.
And does he buy very high?
My energy.
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He's always just on likeclimbing videos.
He's sending you videos.
That's where all the money goes.
Its, it's ridiculous.
He's driving it.
He's got a car a year older thanmine, a Volvo.
He a bit car recently, but hehad a car, a Volvo, a year older
than mine.
Wow.
Same, like, same shit as us.
And he's like, apparently hisgirlfriend said he'd just got
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one account.
Well, not high end his accountfrom like my first place.
That would be me if I had normalbank.
Don't care about money a.
Did he, did he start with anymoney or did it?
He used to a for, he used todrive a for, but he's really
good at math apparently.
Like he's like, he grew up on aship.
Wow.
Is that different?
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Yeah.
He, when he was younger, hisparents like, had a, his dad's
like a, some sort of like, uh,astrologer or something.
He's some bon Oh, cool.
But like, they, they went aroundfour years around the world on a
boat.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
And he fallen on the boat.
He's such a hite, but he'sobviously, I think he's, he was
a, he's a bleeding house howjust ran.
But I do think he's a, yeah,that's probably some foundation
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money.
Oh.
Like I tell everyone, everyone Iknow, everyone I know he was.
Got these extraordinaryexistences.
I'm like, yeah, but you are notfrom a council.
But he's got great was.
Yeah, I know.
Totally.
It's not particularly straight.
You don't need to trade downcrazy because if you grew up on
a boat going around the world,then A, they had a boat and B,
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they weren't working where theycould do his dad.
No, that, yeah.
I thought lovely friends, moneydoing.
Yeah.
Dad, silver, the shoes.
Wow.
Let's shut that in.
There is what?
Wear shoes.
Let, yeah, there we go.
That kind of family.
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They're kind of off.
I think he's still a bit like.
He's obviously not proud at theend.
He's a very but few.
Yeah, I've got friends.
I've got friends who trainedenergy on our behalf, got a
family live in London and theirfront door was always open, like
literally unlocked.
And Trump's used to just come inand make themselves cups of tea
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and it was the exactly the same.
They had money, but they werelike.
Ashamed about it.
Yeah.
And literally the door was openand anyone homeless could just
come in and get DI think peoplegot their money off.
I buy a house.
You don't choose where you'reborn, like you don't.
It's luxury.
You get born when you get bored,but you don't need to trade.
But having money in thatprivilege it up in, he doesn't
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need to work that job.
If I had a brain, I'd obviouslywork.
Yeah, you so, I mean, you'redoing that.
Smashing it, mate.
He did say the other evening Igot on the trading desk, so I
had it go.
He goes, yeah, I'm not gettingback on it again.
Well, oh really?
He obviously lost goes.
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Bye bye bye.
Alright, that's good.
Bye bye.
Bye.
Nice meet you.
Not having that much moneythough, like it's a lottery win
every year.
That's fucking.
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I was staying as ever on thecroissant Nerf site.
So croissant Nerf are theoriginal hippies, the OG
hippies.
And it's really funny'cause theyall hate hippies and they wear
t-shirts saying kill all hippiesand stuff.
And yet they are literally theoriginal hippies.
So the croissant Nerf stage isthe second oldest stage after
the pyramid stage and they'vebeen there pretty much from the
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start.
I dunno if all of them have beenthere from the beginning, but I
know significant.
Proportion of them have been,and they were the original
circus and theater performanceelement of, Glastonbury.
And they have some of theoriginal vans that they all used
to live in.
They had children in their vans,they gave birth in their vans.
They were new age travelers.
They were part of the wholebattle of the beam field world.
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And, yeah, traveled all over.
The UK and Europe with theirchildren in their trucks.
And those children are sort ofmy age and younger, um, but all
kind of in their thirties nowand, um, at least, but like
thirties to forties, some of usare creeping up to 50.
Uh, looking good for it though.
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And they're just such a coolgroup because they haven't
stopped partying.
They haven't stopped being cool.
They haven't stopped.
Fighting the fight and you know,they do amazing things.
Molly O'Brien, who I interviewedfor this podcast is one of them.
She's one of the absoluteoriginal gang.
and she gave birth to herchildren in her truck.
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Go back and listen to thatpodcast is awesome.
She's so cool.
She's so cool.
But yeah, she's like one of theleading midwives in the country
now and possibly in the world.
Like she goes all over the placeto deliver her training and
yeah, it's just like people thatwere hippies, are hippies that
have been putting stuff on foryears, are so skilled and know
what they're doing now that theyare the people that create block
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nine or they're the people that,um, you know, instigated the.
Theater and circus field and,and now they run across on Nerf
and we have such a good camp'cause everyone really knows
what they're doing.
So we've got like a fence roundour corner and we've got this
whole corner of a field.
Um, they have a solar powered.
Stage that's been solar poweredfor decades and, and fully solar
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powered as well.
Apparently Michael Eves came uplike a year or two ago and said
to Sally, who runs the area, whoI will definitely be twisting
her arm to interview.
'cause that would be sointeresting to hear her story of
cluster over the years.
She, um, she was chatting toMichael Evis and he went, yeah,
but Sally, we all know that.
You secretly have a Jenny uphere.
She's like, no, we don't.
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We've been using solar power allthese years.
And uh, yeah, he didn't believeit.
She's like, listen, can you heara generator?
And yeah, he, all this time he'dthought that secretly they had a
generator out the back, but itwas not true.
And they have been solarpowering for all this time and.
It's just a really coolbackstage area and we've got an
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amazing sauna and like peoplejust know what they're doing.
Like if, um, people need, youknow, when they're setting up
their kitchens, they makethemselves a really great rustic
set shelves out of bits ofbeautiful wood that's like got
trunk tree trunk barks stillattached and, you know, shelves
that you would love to have inyour house and they just knock
'em up just'cause that's what'sneeded.
Um, we had the A-frame bar thereagain this year.
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Which has an upstairs mezzanineso you can look out over the
whole festival'cause we'rereally high up the, the
Greenfield Hill.
So we can see right down overthe festival, we come see the
pyramid stage, we come see thecrowd, we can, uh, assess
whether we can be bothered to godown and get involved in the
crowd.
We can see the fireworks.
The children of Sally are partof the sustainability.
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Like one of them just won anaward for, um, sustainability.
I think he won like the leadingsustainability person in events
award, uh, recently.
and he's the sustainabilityperson for Glastonbury and her
other son does the music up atthe opening ceremony.
For, the whole opening of thefestival.
So where they burn the, I dunno,Phoenix or whatever, it's that
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year Dragon, some years.
He does all the music and soundfor that, for the fireworks.
Um, they're just very cool, uh,her, that her daughter climbs up
the huge big top tent that isthe cro nerve stage and attaches
all the bunting and yeah, putsthe tent up and she's the one
that like climbs up the tent anddoes all of that.
You know, you're just like, wow,you're all so cool.
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It's such a loud noise.
It's such a small thing.
So do you wanna go for.
They lived 30 years.
'cause I was wondering aboutthat.
I looked into it.
'cause I was like, is it thesame one or is it is just one
Seriously.
It's in exactly the same place,isnt it?
What's his problem?
No one else is doing thatbecause we are being really
noisy around him, I guess.
But it's just here.
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I have to say there's beenmassive down toilet.
They ate mine, but I'm coveringthem up anyway.
Absolutely.
Rubbish at it.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
It's a shame because it's nothard is it?
No scoop before you poop.
Yeah.
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Things before it stinks.
Yeah.
It's not hard, is it?
No, it's not.
Bloody rocket surgery.
Hard to get out.
Rocket surgery.
Rocket surgery.
Rocket science.
It's not rocket science or it'snot brain surgery.
Oh fuck.
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Look at surgery.
It is wonderful, and they're my,you know, Bessie's.
They, my best friends are theO'Brien's, which is Molly's
family, and I absolutely adorethem and have known them for a
very long time now.
I've known since I was like 26,27, and I've been just such good
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friends.
And I have Ellie O'Brien who'stheir daughter.
Um, he's just my, she's my trawife or rad wife as I call her,
and I live with her while I'm atGlastonbury.
And.
Ever since we met, we've justabsolutely howled with laughter
and loved and adores each other.
And I dunno what I'd do withouther.
She's so special to me.
She's such a important person inmy life.
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And yeah, I, all of them are,they are my family.
They are absolute family, andI'm so honored to be part of
their world.
So I.
Stay with them.
Um, I stay there and then Isleep down at sh I mean, I work
down at Shangri La and I alwayssay that it's like I sleep in
the Shire and I work in Mortaland I have to go, I can, there's
a back route round the back ofthe green fields where you go
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down through, um, the Shangri Lacamping and you can get into
Shangri La.
And so I basically just go upand down this really steep
valley.
I mean, it kills me when I'mknackered, uh, after two or
three days of.
Partying and dancing and all therest of it.
I'm just so tired trying to getup and down this really steep
valley, but it's a huge shortcutand it means that I avoid the
train track where everyone elseis and where there's a one way
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system and stuff and it's, it'squite a nightmare to get across.
So that's my setup.
I'd say it's pretty much thebest setup you can have at
Glastonbury, like staying withthe OG hippies in the best site
on campsite, on site, and thenworking at the coolest, funnest
area, doing really silly,brilliant, performative stuff
that's just fab and I think isthe most political work that I
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do, and I love it.
And, um, I love Kay's vision, soI, I'm really excited to
interview Kay, and I'll bereally excited to interview
Sally and.
Everyone else, like all of thesepeople I've just mentioned, I
would love to chat to at somepoint.
Um, so Glassberg was interestingthis year.
I've got some recordings thatyou'll be hearing that are laid
in and out of this so you canhear a bit of our, um, actual
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experience of being there.
Uh, the person talking aboutturds in the toilet is Sally.
She's gonna absolutely fuckingkill me when she hears that, but
it was so good.
We've gotta keep it.
Um, but I had a reallyinteresting time being at
Glastonbury.
First of all, I was shocked athow volatile.
The atmosphere, it's in the UKand it felt like it was the UK
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rather than just Glastonburybecause I'm not there all the
time now.
And I've just sort of ploppedback in, I dunno how much the UK
and people in the UK were awareof how explosive I, it literally
felt like it was about to blowup.
I'm amazed that all thathappened was the kneecap and.
Bob Fillon thing, which I wasright down the front floor by
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the way, literally on thebarrier.
Everybody said I wouldn't workwhen now we have 30 frozen
people.
Inston, breathe.
We got more.
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Um, I was in the DailyTelegraph, a photo of me, uh, in
the audience right at the front,and it felt quite scary that we
got photographed and that we arethere being.
Recorded as being there, becauseI know when the Nazis occupied
Prague, there was a momentwhere, um, the Nazis came in and
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there was photographs taken ofpeople and telling them to fuck
off and like sticking theirthings up and swearing at them.
And those people were all takenout.
They were all picked off andtaken out.
And there was part of me thatfelt like.
We are recorded as being there,and that that's now we are on a
list, like we're gonna berecorded, our faces will be
recorded as being there.
And that was quite scary.
And yeah, just so there was somechanting, there was some flags
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and that's what happened.
It felt like, I mean, I'msurprised that there wasn't a
terrorist attack.
I'm surprised that there wasn'ta riot.
I'm surprised there wasn't likea huge fight.
Um.
It just, yeah, it was much lesshappened than it felt the
potential for, and the potentialwasn't because of Glastonbury,
it was because of the fusion ofthings that are happening in the
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UK at the moment.
I, it, I didn't realize howserious things had got, and I've
been trying to explain it topeople back here in SOC today,
and I just sound like a madperson, but it's.
So much more intense than Irealized.
'cause over here we're living ina bubble and I've been kind of
going, Hey, I think we shouldget a plan together.
A sort of what if plan, youknow, what if World War III
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starts and we are the end of thefood line and um, we won't be
able to feed ourselves.
Like what do we do about that?
And things like that.
And I just seem a little bitlike a prepper and a bit of a
lunatic.
And now having been in the UKI'm like, Hmm, I think World War
II's.
Definitely already started.
Uh, AI's a big issue.
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Um, fascism is in full swing.
Uh, I mean, there are manythings happening, basically like
a revolution might be about tokick off.
We don't, I mean, it's huge, theamount of, um, like a military
state, there are so many thingshappening that have the
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potential to be the thing that.
Kicks off that.
It's like we have to considerour options.
We have to the what ifs.
What if, what if World War IIIkicks off whatev?
What if we get occupied again?
What if there is no food?
What if there is no way ofgetting medicine?
What are we gonna do?
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Like we need to start thinkingabout that as a tiny little
island on the end of the supplychain.
We need to start thinking aboutit, but it's like how to get
that across without soundinglike a mad person.
But having just been in England,I'm like, uh, I'm sorry.
I 100% this is all this ishappening.
I can't tell you exactly what,but it's happening and.
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It was quite a shock.
It was quite a shock to be inthe atmosphere.
So I spent Saturday beingextremely despondent and part of
it was also being despondent atGlastonbury.
There was something wrong withGlastonbury and I couldn't work
out what it was.
And then I had a really goodchat on the Sunday with someone
who's an event organizer calledGabriel.
I used to teach his daughterdrama and I'm really excited
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because she's about to go off todrama six on college, which I'm
really, really proud of.
Northbrook she's going to, andI'm just so chuffed that I was
part of her journey of beingexcited and into theater.
'cause she was in my drum groupwhen she was five and she loved
it and I loved teaching her.
And she was.
Mate.
I mean, she stood out as beingsomeone who's hugely imaginative
then.
So I'm extremely excited thatthis is now part of her life.
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But, um, yeah, talking to herdad, who I've known for years
through the event organizingworld in Brighton, gave me some
really interesting insights.
So I'm going to interview him aswell.
Uh, just to like, I'd like tointerview a bunch of people in
and around Glastonbury.
'cause I feel like.
In terms of being an artist,it's, it's, you know, along with
the Edinburgh Fringe, it'sprobably the main thing that we
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do in terms of creativity andthe work that goes into it, and
it's been so interestingwatching things change.
Brexit was probably the keymoment for me where I realized
that the audience were adifferent demographic to the.
Festival providers, the festivalmakers, because the sort of
people who can afford 375 poundsa ticket are not artists, but
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artists can get in for free bygoing there and working, but.
The artists and the eventorganizers and the people who
can make things and put thingson have been always sort of
doing it as a favor because noone really gets paid properly
and they do get paid properly atother events.
It's not just that that wholeindustry's like that.
Glastonbury doesn't really payand.
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The amount of money availableand the number of tickets that
people are getting keeps gettingsmaller and I've just noticed
it.
You can kind of see it in theproduction value of what's going
on and also the heart like itit, rather than it feeling like
this creative super medley, itfeels like a bit like a prison
camp is got an increasinglyprison campy feel to it and.
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Consumerists feel to it.
And then I discovered loads ofstuff about how it's being run
and some of the people at thetop who aren't the ees.
I think that the ees have theirhearts in the right place, but
some of the people that arewhispering in the ear of the ees
and kind of guiding the journeythat it's going on.
Very, very different to whatit's really about.
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And I think sometimes you're soseparated from what's happening
that you don't realize thatyou're being guided away from
like the, the divine beautyflame at the center of it.
And that I felt that a lot onSaturday and I was like.
And I had a moment ofdespondency where I was just
like, fuck, England's fucked.
England is fucked.
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Glastonbury's fucked.
It's all fucked.
I'm so glad I'm living inSarken.
It was a real fear.
I was I, I had a panic attackand was just.
In fear for, I couldn't, I waslying in bed trying when I was
trying to go to sleep, and Icouldn't think of a way through
at all.
I couldn't, and I'm normallyquite good at coming up the
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ideas.
The only thing I could think ofwas maybe we should go on a
creativity strike.
And all artists and creativepeople should say, well, you
keep shitting on us and you keeptaking from us, and you are
destroying everything that'sbeautiful in the world.
So we are just gonna take ourcreativity away and go on strike
and you can be beige.
You go be beige.
You try and be, try and do allthis without us and just take it
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away.
Um, that, but I mean, how youwould orchestrate that?
I do not know, but that was myone idea that I had.
And it, and it didn't fill mewith hope'cause I couldn't work
out how that would possiblyhappen.
But the next day I had anincredible vision and it was.
A lot to do with sleepdeprivation and um, yeah, a
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mixture of soup of things.
And I went off, I went off to adifferent place and I had a
vision, and the vision wasincredible and I can't really
put it into words.
And by putting it into words,I'm doing it disservice.
But there is something that Iwanna share from it, which was,
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it was absolute.
Contentment and.
Everything was included.
Everything was there.
So it was the yin and yang.
It was the dark and the light.
There was all the archetypalbeings, all of them.
So there was Mother Earth andthere was sort of like a devil.
It wasn't the devil though.
It was the horned God.
But there was, yeah, thefeminine and the masculine.
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And there was the, there was,you know, creepy, uh, fairy like
things, though it was very Lordof the Rings and very fairy
worldy, but it was.
It was everything.
It was the dark and the lightall in one, and there was a lot
of golden light.
It was very golden, very fiery,but not sort of scary fire.
It was just gold.
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And so there was sort of aheaven tightness to it, but it
was, it wasn't just the good, itwas everything.
It was everything in totalbalance and harmony and
contentment and.
Uh, interconnectedness and, uh,the necessity of all the parts.
It was just a, it was everythingand it, and in harmony and
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absolute contentment.
There was no need anywhere.
There was no desire.
It was just fulfillment and.
And it was really rich anddelicious and lovely, and I sort
of desperately tried to holdonto it, uh, for as long as I
could, but it went and I have tojust sit with it and feel it.
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I felt so amazing from it, andI, and I came back with absolute
hope that this is so muchbigger.
This is the, the whole thing isjust so much bigger than the
pettiness of the world and theviolence and the fighting and
the horror.
I mean, that is real and it'shappening and it's bullshit and
we must fight.
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But, but there is hope andthere's something much bigger
than all of it.
And it's beautiful and, andeverything's there.
It's all included.
It's not just get rid of thebad.
It's, it's all of it's there.
And it was, yeah, I, I came backfeeling.
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Like I don't need to have theanswers, I just need to go with
the flow and, and participateand be part of it.
And yeah, throw myself down thefront of kneecap and Bob villain
and chant and scream andcelebrate and pick a side and
fight and, you know.
Do it and be part of thegovernment here and put myself
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on the line and all the rest ofit.
But it's, it's, it's a, it's aplay, it's a story thing that's
happening.
It will keep changing.
Things will keep shifting,stuff's gonna happen, but it's
all just a bunch of stuff that'shappening and it's, uh, it's a
dance and an experience andbeyond.
It is just total contentment andconnection and
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interconnectedness and.
Peace.
Peace and yeah, great.
It'd be love.
Lovely to be back in that, butwe're back in that forever.
You're getting a moment of dramaand.
Conflict and separation andexperience and physical
experience.
You won't get that.
That wasn't there.
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It was like, it was like aninterconnected kaleidoscope that
was moving and shifting, but itwas all together.
I.
So that was cool.
That was interesting.
And yeah, I loved it.
Now I'm gonna pull a room.
I'm not gonna talk too muchtoday'cause I've got some of the
background and chat and stufffrom Glastonbury, which I'll be
editing into this.
I wonder how long this will endup being, but I am going to pull
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a room.
But first of all, I will, askyou for support for my Patreon,
which is patreon.com/jaylie.
Rose, this is such a.
(37:15):
Brilliant thing to be doing.
I love doing it.
I love the feedback I got frompeople when I was away.
It was nice to be in England andto hear that people are
listening to the podcast andthey're really enjoying it.
That was wonderful.
Got a lovely reaction from theJimmy Martin podcast where
people from the island whowouldn't normally listen, uh,
really enjoyed it and, and didlisten in.
That was awesome.
(37:36):
So yeah, I've just had.
A lot of positive feedback, andI love doing it so much.
So if I can make this myfull-time job, that's the top
dream, and that's what I'mstriving for.
So if you enjoy it and youlisten to it regularly and you
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(37:56):
Join my Patreon.
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And then I do my moonceremonies, which everyone's
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You've got access to everythingin one place, and then for nine
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Patreon supporter.
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So I would love it if you wereable to support me.
I really appreciate it.
If you can't, that's not aproblem whatsoever.
It means that people who havegot money are paying for you to
be able to have a free podcast.
It's a generous sharing,circular thing, and we all get
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Uh, if you could tell peopleabout it, that would be amazing.
And yeah, just word of mouth Ithink is the most important
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So let everyone know that youlove it.
Um, share about it on socialmedia and I will be eternally
grateful.
So thank you.
And I don't have any live stuffcoming up to tell you about date
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wise.
I'm gonna try and get my bookfinished and then we're gonna be
doing a, a pre-book launch overAutumn, so September, October.
So I need to try and get it donebefore them.
That's my target.
so it's so important with booksales for people to pre-order
them.
The more pre-order sales youhave, the more likely the books
(39:42):
shops are gonna stock the book.
So that's the key thing.
So I'll chug on with that, getthat done, and then I'll let you
know.
And then the next time I'mperforming is gonna be at
BoomTown.
I'm gonna be opening thefestival again on the origin
stage, and then we will also berunning the Laguna Coven venue,
which is, you're gonna have tofind it.
It's a bit secret, but it's anold town.
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Uh, but you'll have to searchthat out.
It has a pentagram on the door.
So that's my little clue.
And then I'll be at KentwellHall for a week.
After that, and I will be doingsome more interviews there,
interviewing the fascinatingpeople that live as tutors
there.
I'm just loving doing this.
I know so many cool people, andeveryone I know is cool.
Everyone, all humans areinteresting and it's such a
(40:25):
delight to interview people, soI'm just crack on with that.
Keep doing that and sharingthese little parallel universes
with you and I hope you enjoythem and so on with the show.
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Okay, so the ring for today isinteresting.
A spiritual gift, gee off.
It's a cross, like a kiss cross,and it's a bit like the center
of the infinity symbol, theTaurus, and it is the
interaction between.
The inner and outer and alsolike in romance.
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So it's, it is the relationshipbetween you and the outer.
And the outer could be a human,but it's also the outer world.
And so that for me is, is whatthat vision was.
So I, I went into the innerworld and fully experienced the
inner world, and it's perfectharmony, it's peace, it's, it's
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just contentment.
And then.
I'm out in the outer world andin the outer world.
There's need and want and desireand fury and, and rage and like
longing and hope for peace andsadness and heartache and all
these things, and it is reallytough to be alive, but.
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You are only alive for a reallyshort time and then it's all
over.
And that was the thing that mydear friend Matthew said to his
partner, Heather, uh, when shesaw him in a dream when after he
died.
I've probably told you thisstory before, but I'm gonna tell
you again because it was so epicand it was a key part of our
pilgrimage journey.
So I probably talked about it inthe Pilgrimage podcast, but she
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was on a kind of spaceship like,um.
The death star and the doorslike slid open and Matthew came
through and she's like, oh, youare dead.
It's like, uh, no shit.
Um, and she said, what's it,what's it like?
And he said, well, it's a littlemore organized than you'd
expect.
And that was what my experiencewas as well.
It was.
A bit like an Asher painting orsomething where everything
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clicks together.
So they're all separate partsand all different weirdnesses,
but they all connected like apuzzle.
And that's what I mean, like amoving kaleidoscope.
So as I was moving through thisplace, there was no gap.
So there was no separation.
Everything was connectedtogether.
I.
And it was just kaleidoscopingaround and, and all the
archetypes were there.
Everything was there and it wasorganized in that it all
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interconnected.
And so I get what he's saying bythat.
And nature is allinterconnected.
The whole thing isinterconnected that we're in,
but we experience it asseparate.
We don't see the.
What the black space is inbetween the stars.
We don't see what the air is inbetween us and, you know, the,
the screen or whatever, buteverything is connected here as
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well, but we just don'texperience it in that way.
And then she said, um, he saidlike, you can come and visit
whoever you want, but if it'ssomeone you don't know, you have
to put in a request.
And he said, uh, Einstein'sannoyed with me because I've
been spending a lot of time withhis sister.
And that was the weird thing, isthat Heather didn't know that.
Einstein had a sister, but thenwhen she went and checked him
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out, which I did as well, uh,she really looks like Heather.
So Matthew's been chatting upthe Einstein sister that we
didn't know existed, and shereally looks like his wife
Heather.
So that was strange and quite,quite a mad little bit of the
story.
And then she said, have you gotany advice, like anything you
want to say to me?
And he said, make the most ofhaving a body.
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And that was such a key thing inour pilgrimage because when you
are walking a pilgrimage, youhave blisters, you're aching,
you stink, you're sleeping inpuddles and it, you know, it
gets so gross and sometimes it'ssuch an ordeal, but what a
privilege to be alive and to bephysically experiencing that
stuff.
And that's the same witheverything that's going on in
the world now.
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So that's where I.
What I felt at the end of Sundayat Glastonbury having seen this
vision was that yes, on SaturdayI could feel the separation, I
could feel the conflict and, andall the drama and danger and
flammability and pressure thateveryone is under.
And how tired everyone was.
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We were all so tired.
None of us had the energy to dothe kind of stuff that we used
to do, like going out dancingand it wasn't an age thing.
'cause there were people in ourgroup, you know, down to 19, um,
16, 17, 15, whatever.
There were people in our worldof all the different age groups,
and no one had the energy to goout and party the way that we
used to.
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So, and then I saw a good memeon Instagram like at some point
over the weekend.
That was like, of course you'retired.
You know, the world's fucked.
You are, you, you experiencedthe pandemic and then had to go
back to work again.
You are being ignored by themedia and you're going on
protest and everyone's ignoringyou.
And we know that we are beinglied to and we're being forced
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into a position that none of uswanna be in.
Of course you're tired.
And that's exactly how it feltlike.
It's, it's exhausting right now.
And mental health is under a lotof pressure and it's all still
just a bunch of stuff that'shappening.
We are more than this.
It is an outer world experience,like a simulation, like a game,
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like a play.
A hologram, whatever it is,there's a thing that's the outer
version of something that in theworld is completely at peace and
connected and we're all one.
And yeah, I dunno what I like.
I think until I had this vision,I didn't really feel what being
all one meant, but I felt.
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I felt it.
I felt the, just the lack of anytension or, and it was peace and
it was heaven.
I mean, I, that's what I said tomy friends afterwards, like, I
went to heaven last night.
But heaven has the connotationsof being all good and being the
good place and being a bitfluffy and a bit tween.
I've often said, well, I don'twant to go to heaven'cause it
sounds shit like I want.
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Rock and roll music, and I wantthe horns of God and I want, you
know, a bit of darkness andsexiness and some BDSM and like
all that stuff.
It was all there.
Everything was there.
It just wasn't in conflict.
And that was what was heaven.
Well, heavenly about it, butlike I say, words kind of take,
take away from it and diminishit, but it was, it was just
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absolute connected peace, whichis the opposite of the outer
world.
And so.
That's waiting for us.
I mean, I don't know for certainthat's what's waiting for us on
the other side, but that's what,that's what it felt like to me.
And that's great, but I will bethat forever.
So it is made me appreciate andwanna participate in and
experience the madness of this.
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I mean, I don't wanna end upgetting in a concentration camp
and being tortured I'd, I'drather avoid that if I can, but.
I'm gonna just keep runningheadlong into this madness and
nonsense in the chaos, becausewe're only here for a short time
mate.
And then that's over.
And, um, bring it on.
And, and if it is, you know,just a game and a simulation,
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play it like your life dependson it.
And like it really matters.
And fight for what you believein, but don't also believe in
it.
Don't believe in the game.
Don't believe in the storyline.
Don't believe that.
We are trapped or the narrativesof this is how it's gotta be.
Know that you can change it'cause it is just a made up
crazy shit show of nonsense andchaos.
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So you can do whatever you wantwith it.
It's a don't believe that youare as trapped as they're
letting you think you are.
So that's, that was what Ilearned from Glastonbury this
year.
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So next up is the Chaos Crusade.
And for the Chaos Crusade Iwould.
Like to encourage you to go to afestival that you haven't been
to before and that's out of yourcomfort zone and maybe going to
a really big festival and havingthe experience of being in
amongst so many people, which isquite scary.
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Being at Guston.
Bri's terrifying.
I, I, I never used to have panicattack.
I mean, I probably did and Ijust didn't realize I was,'cause
I didn't know that's what theywere called.
But I don't remember havingpanic attacks at big things
before.
Maybe I did, I don't know.
But now I know the name of them.
I'm, I'm aware that I do havethem, and it is all right.
It's not the end of the world.
Like, yeah, being in big groupscan be quite scary, but it's
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also fascinating and really coolwhen you are at the front of Bob
villain and kneecap and you knowyour life.
A key life moment.
You are, you are there at amoment that we're gonna be
talking about in 40 years time.
You know, that's, that was a keymoment, like watching Jeremy
Corbin, um, talk that was, andthen Kay Tempest play
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afterwards.
That was a key moment and I wasthere and.
It's really incredible to be ina group of huge numbers of
people at key historicalmoments, but also it's really
cool going to tiny littlefestivals as well.
So if you've only ever been tobig festivals, going to tiny
festivals where you end upknowing everyone by the end of
the day or the end of theweekend is also special.
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Going to different countrieswhere it's pushing you out of
your comfort zone by going to adifferent country to, to a
festival.
The reason why I think it'simportant is it's a bit like why
we did the Nomadic Academy ofFools.
So we could have just done theFooling Academy in one place,
but part of us going todifferent places to do it was to
soak in the atmosphere and thearchetype of the land that we
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were in, and I so was aware.
This festival at Glastonburythat I was on, the Michael and
Mary Lines, and that I'm gonnabe walking them again in
September or October and I'll bewalking through that site.
I'll be walking throughGlastonbury and how important
that place is and that it's onthese lines and how, how
important that is.
Um.
I, I was, I was so happy to bewith them again, and I feel like
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they were part of what happenedon Sunday and, you know, came to
me to give me hope because Ineeded it.
'cause I was about to leave thatfestival.
I literally was, like I said toEllie, um, Ellie O'Brien, who's
my trad wife, rad wife, I saidto her, I think I might have
just made myself normal on theSaturday because I felt so
drained of creativity andinspiration that I, I just felt
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like I didn't want to giveanything to the.
The game anymore.
And I, I was so despondent likethat was the word.
It's despondent, but I felt, Iwent to bed that night, devoid
of creativity.
And then what I got on theSunday is part of this heaven
was, was the like, uh, abundanceand plethora and not even the
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words for it because it was sobeyond words, rich and infinite.
But, but it was creativity.
That's what it was.
And.
Archetype and dreaming and likethere aren't words for it.
They don't, they don't evencover it.
But it was so rich and deep and,and nourishing and, and I, I, I
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came back like with no concernswhatsoever about creativity.
I was like, ah, that's fine.
I'm part, this is allcreativity.
It is all, it is all creativityand.
Yeah, so it was needed and Iappreciated it, and I felt like
the land and the lines gave thatto me and supported me with that
journey and.
You know, when I do BeltoneFestival here on sarc, being
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here for the blue bells and, andthe spring and being that, being
part of what the festival is, isso key.
So this, it's also about beingoutdoors and being in nature,
but being with a group of peopleand celebrating, it's so
important.
So if you don't go to festivals,it's not something you normally
do.
I really urge you to go to one,but I also urge you to go, if
you do go to them and you go to'em regularly, go to one that's
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a completely different musicscene to what you normally do,
or go to one in a differentcountry or go on, go to one
that's a different size to whatyou normally do, just to push
yourself outta your comfort zoneand connect with different types
of people and, um, and see whatthat's like.
So I'm gonna endeavor to dothat.
I, I might not be able to manageit this summer, but I'm going to
at some point go, uh, next year.
I think I might go to a.
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Yeah, there was a couple offestivals that people told me
about.
There's like the Blue dotFestival, which is like a nerd
geek festival.
Uh, I quite like the idea ofgoing to, and then there was a
performing arts festival in, uh,in East Anglia.
Great Yarmouth maybe, um, thatpeople said I should go to.
That was like a theaterperforming arts.
I mean, that is sort of the kindof thing I would go to, but I
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haven't been to anything likethat for ages.
Like not since, well, we used tohave the National Street Arts
meeting in.
The UK when I worked for ZapArt, and we used to put on the
streets of Brighton, but thatwas like 2006, I think that
stopped happening, or 2007 thatwe, no, probably 2006 that we
stopped doing that.
So that was a long time ago now.
So yeah, something like that.
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I'd like to put myself in a, ina position where I'm.
'cause it would be quite achallenge for me to go to a
theater festival again, becauseI'm so not doing that well now,
that, uh, it would be probablyreally good for me to dip back
into it and be like, oh, this iswhat's happening.
Oh, actually I, I really know myway around this and I'm way more
experienced than this.
Or like, oh, this is.
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Really exciting and innovativeand is pushing me and making me
think of new things that I neverthought of before.
You know, either or.
That would be interesting.
So yeah, push yourself out yourcomfort zone.
Go and explore the world offestivals and be outside with
different communities.
So that's my chaos crusade andthank you so much.
I'm gonna really enjoy editingthis together with the
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background noise of Glastonburyand the lovely adventure that
went on with Ellie.
So it's Ellie, you can hear thatI'm, uh, wandering around with
and um, yeah.
I'm gonna, yeah, I'm lookingforward to interviewing people
from Glastonbury and Unpicking.
What happened this weekendbecause it was a lot.
So thank you ever so much and Ishall see you again next week.
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See the, an.
The.
(01:08):
Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host, Jaylie Rose.
I got back to SARC today fromGlastonbury Festival.
I had to get the ferry over.
I slept at my in-laws inGuernsey last night because the
flight arrived after the lastferry to sarc.
And then I got up very early inthe morning, got a lift to.
(01:30):
Town had breakfast in town, goton the ferry, and then had to
leg it on my bike around to themermaid where I worked today.
And then I had to leave themermaid early and leg it over to
the parliament, chief policegovernment for a parliament
assembly meeting where wediscussed lots of really
important issues, some of themto do with education, which I'm
(01:50):
the chair of, and now I'm here.
So my voice is a little croakybecause I also.
Have now stopped smoking anddrinking again.
So I had an amazing time.
It was extremely, uh, fun, shallwe say.
And my throat is, uh, brokenfrom shouting and screaming and
laughing and crying and havingthe best time ever at
(02:13):
Glastonbury and smoking lots oftobacco.
And I'm so happy to not be doingany of it anymore.
And I've given myself, uh, yeah,the next, until New Year, I'm
gonna be clean in every way.
And then that means that when I.
Finished the year, I will havedone 10 months out of a year of
uh, not drinking and I justdon't wanna smoke ever again.
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I am glad that I got so addictedthis time'cause I think it will
help me to desist from smokingin the future.
'cause I, like I said, in thelast podcast, I got used to
being able to socially smoke.
So I will stop this smokymalarkey, but it does mean my
throat's a bit, um, gluggy atthe moment.
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Excuse me.
Do you guys, if I get yourresponse on the, um, you need,
you have your personal wrist?
Yes.
Okay.
Gonna look the accreditation onthat side.
Which side?
Where, um, you know, you want,yeah.
Oh, well just, I'm just gonnacheck.
'cause the Shang one was therelast year.
Yeah.
So that's easy three to getyour.
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I need a No, no.
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I can, where's that one then?
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set camp.
sure.
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I've got, I've done that, but doI need to get a two more
wristbands?
Uh, Jo V-J-O-L-I-E.
Hello.
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Oh, hello.
How you doing?
Hi.
Thank you for the help I need toget, I wanna annoying you.
Is there any chance of getting aspare?
One of them, someone who's inthe, my guy.
Very good about it.
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Mine was not before I it in IThat'd be amazing.
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Woo.
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So, Glastonbury.
Wow.
It was crazy.
It was so crazy.
So I was there employed byShangrila, by the amazing Kay
Dunnings, who I'm hoping I willget to interview.
And I want to talk to her abouther creative journey and what
was going on with Shangrila thisyear.
But basically.
I was asked to come along andtake part as one of the
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interactive performers.
There's been interactiveperformers in the Shangri Art
area, which before that was lostvagueness, so that's been 20 odd
years at least.
I think it might even be morethan that, and it's sort of an
integral part of the naughtycorner as this interactive
performance space.
There are less performers thanthere used to be.
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I mean, probably there was morethis year than there were last
year, but definitely compared tothe old days of Las Vegas,
there's less, but it's still anintegral part of what Shangrila
does.
And we, this year it was alreadywilded, so that was the theme.
So for the last few years, it'sbeen a high street.
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And there's been lots ofmessaging about Capitalism and
Obey and Donald Trump.
And like we played the part ofestate agents trying to sell
port leaves for a million poundsto live in and like broken
tents, as a state agents.
And then we had supermarketswhere people trying to sell
things and.
And like the ethos last year waseverything must go and
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everything did go.
And this year we demolished thehigh street, opened it all up,
made it a much more, a wider,more welcoming space, but
completely rewild.
So there was allotments andnature themed installations.
And then we were in a tunnelcalled the Realm.
And within that there were thehostiles that were types of
elementals, but were confusedand perplexed because.
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Things had gone so weird in theworld and they weren't behaving
normally.
And so there was a guardian wholed people through that tried to
protect you from these kind ofbeings that could turn and just
suddenly be freaky and scary.
So like, yeah, they were beingprotecting the.
People who walked through theaudiences.
And then during the day, wewalked through Shangri Lara's
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performers, um, as part of aprocession.
So in these incredible folkcostumes that they had made
that, uh.
You know, looked like folktraditional characters and
costumes, but with a, uh,performance art, Shangri La,
which is slightly mad Maxey,kind of slant to it.
And they looked great.
(08:08):
They were amazing.
And then we had the boss, MorrisDancers, who were also awesome.
I'd love to interview them atsome point.
And it was an all female Morrisdancing troupe that were dancing
to nineteens clap.
Nineties classics.
So that was really fun.
And then so we'd stop and BossMorris would dance and they set
off streamers and it was justgreat.
Like it was a real event.
(08:29):
And then we got asked to get upon the stage and dance with
Craig Charles on the Friday, andthat was epic.
And it was boiling hot, but wedidn't care.
We danced for probably abouthalf an hour on the stage with
him.
It was brilliant.
What a thing.
What the thing to have done.
So that was really fun Oh yeah.
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Just like.
Australian, um, like videostroke podcast, and they have
these, uh, two, they have thischallenge when everyone says,
what are the odds?
Yeah.
Someone says, oh, one in 50, andthen they say a number at the
same time.
Oh, if that number's at the sametime, the person has to do the
challenge.
Oh, so the guy goes.
(10:07):
What are the odds having a dickPierce, having a Prince Albert
and he is like, ah, one in 50.
And he basic said 27 at the sametime and they have, so the next
week he had to go and get,that's really good I that we
should do that.
Working an.
No, that was really good.
(10:27):
Your finances saying is a badidea.
Well, my attorney says it.
Dinner.
I'm, yeah, she's my attorney.
Yeah, like and yeah.
Yeah.
We're gonna be fine.
Facts.
(10:47):
What's in the sparkly thing ofme?
It, it's a very diluted politan,but it's great Rice politan, not
lime vodka.
You are, I I see a cocktail.
Yeah.
Did you?
ISN two cocktail.
You can only.
Well, no, but Oh, co.
Mine's a good one.
There's the two.
(11:08):
The battery?
Yeah, there's the call.
Oh, I, no, no I wouldn't, no.
I think old fashion's myfavorite with I.
Oh, I love And a old fashioned,exactly.
My favorite.
You can make big amounts inthere, like with, so like, you
can make big amount ofmargarita.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, okay.
P Well, you mixologist though.
Uh, only cocktail.
So.
(11:28):
Yeah, he us a name.
It was like baristas.
He, but did you, yeah.
But did you train to do all ofstuff?
Trained?
Someone taught me how to do it.
Right?
Yeah.
You would do with any other job.
Yeah.
So I didn't give a shit name toit.
Yeah.
Are you a barista?
Well, I've worked in I coffeetwo years.
I've got a bed.
(11:49):
This is how you came financehere.
Account mate.
I don't remember.
I mean, mate, it's just your, itdoesn't need to your, to your
money.
This is financial.
(12:09):
I don't know what financialmeans.
Do I get paid for it?
I think we have a differentversion of what it means, and
they're both wrong.
You're not paying me, I'm notmaking you any money.
Right?
(12:31):
We just lose each other moneyall the time.
Fucking is.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Uh, it's all gone.
It's all gone.
There's nothing left, gone.
Lovely.
Each other's finance as well?
No.
Each other's?
Um, each other?
Well, there's shoppingassistant.
We other retail therapist,retail therapists, other retail
(12:54):
therapists.
We, we went out, we spent allour money.
We did, we went shopping today,and then I left some.
That's where I got these from.
Like we do a lot climbing.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Okay, cool.
What?
(13:15):
We've got a mutual friend, poundgroup of climbing friends, and
we all like, we all the same,all just like, you know, he
drives an old car.
He is not exuberant.
His bonus.
20 grand.
287,000 barking.
How is that more than he getspaid?
No, he gets a hundred KA year.
Yeah.
It's way more than he got paid.
And does he buy very high?
My energy.
(13:35):
He's always just on likeclimbing videos.
He's sending you videos.
That's where all the money goes.
Its, it's ridiculous.
He's driving it.
He's got a car a year older thanmine, a Volvo.
He a bit car recently, but hehad a car, a Volvo, a year older
than mine.
Wow.
Same, like, same shit as us.
And he's like, apparently hisgirlfriend said he'd just got
(13:56):
one account.
Well, not high end his accountfrom like my first place.
That would be me if I had normalbank.
Don't care about money a.
Did he, did he start with anymoney or did it?
He used to a for, he used todrive a for, but he's really
good at math apparently.
Like he's like, he grew up on aship.
Wow.
Is that different?
(14:16):
Yeah.
He, when he was younger, hisparents like, had a, his dad's
like a, some sort of like, uh,astrologer or something.
He's some bon Oh, cool.
But like, they, they went aroundfour years around the world on a
boat.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
And he fallen on the boat.
He's such a hite, but he'sobviously, I think he's, he was
a, he's a bleeding house howjust ran.
But I do think he's a, yeah,that's probably some foundation
(14:38):
money.
Oh.
Like I tell everyone, everyone Iknow, everyone I know he was.
Got these extraordinaryexistences.
I'm like, yeah, but you are notfrom a council.
But he's got great was.
Yeah, I know.
Totally.
It's not particularly straight.
You don't need to trade downcrazy because if you grew up on
a boat going around the world,then A, they had a boat and B,
(14:59):
they weren't working where theycould do his dad.
No, that, yeah.
I thought lovely friends, moneydoing.
Yeah.
Dad, silver, the shoes.
Wow.
Let's shut that in.
There is what?
Wear shoes.
Let, yeah, there we go.
That kind of family.
(15:19):
They're kind of off.
I think he's still a bit like.
He's obviously not proud at theend.
He's a very but few.
Yeah, I've got friends.
I've got friends who trainedenergy on our behalf, got a
family live in London and theirfront door was always open, like
literally unlocked.
And Trump's used to just come inand make themselves cups of tea
(15:42):
and it was the exactly the same.
They had money, but they werelike.
Ashamed about it.
Yeah.
And literally the door was openand anyone homeless could just
come in and get DI think peoplegot their money off.
I buy a house.
You don't choose where you'reborn, like you don't.
It's luxury.
You get born when you get bored,but you don't need to trade.
But having money in thatprivilege it up in, he doesn't
(16:06):
need to work that job.
If I had a brain, I'd obviouslywork.
Yeah, you so, I mean, you'redoing that.
Smashing it, mate.
He did say the other evening Igot on the trading desk, so I
had it go.
He goes, yeah, I'm not gettingback on it again.
Well, oh really?
He obviously lost goes.
(16:26):
Bye bye bye.
Alright, that's good.
Bye bye.
Bye.
Nice meet you.
Not having that much moneythough, like it's a lottery win
every year.
That's fucking.
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I was staying as ever on thecroissant Nerf site.
So croissant Nerf are theoriginal hippies, the OG
hippies.
And it's really funny'cause theyall hate hippies and they wear
t-shirts saying kill all hippiesand stuff.
And yet they are literally theoriginal hippies.
So the croissant Nerf stage isthe second oldest stage after
the pyramid stage and they'vebeen there pretty much from the
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start.
I dunno if all of them have beenthere from the beginning, but I
know significant.
Proportion of them have been,and they were the original
circus and theater performanceelement of, Glastonbury.
And they have some of theoriginal vans that they all used
to live in.
They had children in their vans,they gave birth in their vans.
They were new age travelers.
They were part of the wholebattle of the beam field world.
(17:34):
And, yeah, traveled all over.
The UK and Europe with theirchildren in their trucks.
And those children are sort ofmy age and younger, um, but all
kind of in their thirties nowand, um, at least, but like
thirties to forties, some of usare creeping up to 50.
Uh, looking good for it though.
(17:55):
And they're just such a coolgroup because they haven't
stopped partying.
They haven't stopped being cool.
They haven't stopped.
Fighting the fight and you know,they do amazing things.
Molly O'Brien, who I interviewedfor this podcast is one of them.
She's one of the absoluteoriginal gang.
and she gave birth to herchildren in her truck.
(18:17):
Go back and listen to thatpodcast is awesome.
She's so cool.
She's so cool.
But yeah, she's like one of theleading midwives in the country
now and possibly in the world.
Like she goes all over the placeto deliver her training and
yeah, it's just like people thatwere hippies, are hippies that
have been putting stuff on foryears, are so skilled and know
what they're doing now that theyare the people that create block
(18:37):
nine or they're the people that,um, you know, instigated the.
Theater and circus field and,and now they run across on Nerf
and we have such a good camp'cause everyone really knows
what they're doing.
So we've got like a fence roundour corner and we've got this
whole corner of a field.
Um, they have a solar powered.
Stage that's been solar poweredfor decades and, and fully solar
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powered as well.
Apparently Michael Eves came uplike a year or two ago and said
to Sally, who runs the area, whoI will definitely be twisting
her arm to interview.
'cause that would be sointeresting to hear her story of
cluster over the years.
She, um, she was chatting toMichael Evis and he went, yeah,
but Sally, we all know that.
You secretly have a Jenny uphere.
She's like, no, we don't.
(19:20):
We've been using solar power allthese years.
And uh, yeah, he didn't believeit.
She's like, listen, can you heara generator?
And yeah, he, all this time he'dthought that secretly they had a
generator out the back, but itwas not true.
And they have been solarpowering for all this time and.
It's just a really coolbackstage area and we've got an
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amazing sauna and like peoplejust know what they're doing.
Like if, um, people need, youknow, when they're setting up
their kitchens, they makethemselves a really great rustic
set shelves out of bits ofbeautiful wood that's like got
trunk tree trunk barks stillattached and, you know, shelves
that you would love to have inyour house and they just knock
'em up just'cause that's what'sneeded.
Um, we had the A-frame bar thereagain this year.
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Which has an upstairs mezzanineso you can look out over the
whole festival'cause we'rereally high up the, the
Greenfield Hill.
So we can see right down overthe festival, we come see the
pyramid stage, we come see thecrowd, we can, uh, assess
whether we can be bothered to godown and get involved in the
crowd.
We can see the fireworks.
The children of Sally are partof the sustainability.
(20:26):
Like one of them just won anaward for, um, sustainability.
I think he won like the leadingsustainability person in events
award, uh, recently.
and he's the sustainabilityperson for Glastonbury and her
other son does the music up atthe opening ceremony.
For, the whole opening of thefestival.
So where they burn the, I dunno,Phoenix or whatever, it's that
(20:48):
year Dragon, some years.
He does all the music and soundfor that, for the fireworks.
Um, they're just very cool, uh,her, that her daughter climbs up
the huge big top tent that isthe cro nerve stage and attaches
all the bunting and yeah, putsthe tent up and she's the one
that like climbs up the tent anddoes all of that.
You know, you're just like, wow,you're all so cool.
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It's such a loud noise.
It's such a small thing.
So do you wanna go for.
They lived 30 years.
'cause I was wondering aboutthat.
I looked into it.
'cause I was like, is it thesame one or is it is just one
Seriously.
It's in exactly the same place,isnt it?
What's his problem?
No one else is doing thatbecause we are being really
noisy around him, I guess.
But it's just here.
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I have to say there's beenmassive down toilet.
They ate mine, but I'm coveringthem up anyway.
Absolutely.
Rubbish at it.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
It's a shame because it's nothard is it?
No scoop before you poop.
Yeah.
(22:05):
Things before it stinks.
Yeah.
It's not hard, is it?
No, it's not.
Bloody rocket surgery.
Hard to get out.
Rocket surgery.
Rocket surgery.
Rocket science.
It's not rocket science or it'snot brain surgery.
Oh fuck.
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Look at surgery.
It is wonderful, and they're my,you know, Bessie's.
They, my best friends are theO'Brien's, which is Molly's
family, and I absolutely adorethem and have known them for a
very long time now.
I've known since I was like 26,27, and I've been just such good
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friends.
And I have Ellie O'Brien who'stheir daughter.
Um, he's just my, she's my trawife or rad wife as I call her,
and I live with her while I'm atGlastonbury.
And.
Ever since we met, we've justabsolutely howled with laughter
and loved and adores each other.
And I dunno what I'd do withouther.
She's so special to me.
She's such a important person inmy life.
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And yeah, I, all of them are,they are my family.
They are absolute family, andI'm so honored to be part of
their world.
So I.
Stay with them.
Um, I stay there and then Isleep down at sh I mean, I work
down at Shangri La and I alwayssay that it's like I sleep in
the Shire and I work in Mortaland I have to go, I can, there's
a back route round the back ofthe green fields where you go
(23:32):
down through, um, the Shangri Lacamping and you can get into
Shangri La.
And so I basically just go upand down this really steep
valley.
I mean, it kills me when I'mknackered, uh, after two or
three days of.
Partying and dancing and all therest of it.
I'm just so tired trying to getup and down this really steep
valley, but it's a huge shortcutand it means that I avoid the
train track where everyone elseis and where there's a one way
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system and stuff and it's, it'squite a nightmare to get across.
So that's my setup.
I'd say it's pretty much thebest setup you can have at
Glastonbury, like staying withthe OG hippies in the best site
on campsite, on site, and thenworking at the coolest, funnest
area, doing really silly,brilliant, performative stuff
that's just fab and I think isthe most political work that I
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do, and I love it.
And, um, I love Kay's vision, soI, I'm really excited to
interview Kay, and I'll bereally excited to interview
Sally and.
Everyone else, like all of thesepeople I've just mentioned, I
would love to chat to at somepoint.
Um, so Glassberg was interestingthis year.
I've got some recordings thatyou'll be hearing that are laid
in and out of this so you canhear a bit of our, um, actual
(24:37):
experience of being there.
Uh, the person talking aboutturds in the toilet is Sally.
She's gonna absolutely fuckingkill me when she hears that, but
it was so good.
We've gotta keep it.
Um, but I had a reallyinteresting time being at
Glastonbury.
First of all, I was shocked athow volatile.
The atmosphere, it's in the UKand it felt like it was the UK
(25:01):
rather than just Glastonburybecause I'm not there all the
time now.
And I've just sort of ploppedback in, I dunno how much the UK
and people in the UK were awareof how explosive I, it literally
felt like it was about to blowup.
I'm amazed that all thathappened was the kneecap and.
Bob Fillon thing, which I wasright down the front floor by
(25:22):
the way, literally on thebarrier.
Everybody said I wouldn't workwhen now we have 30 frozen
people.
Inston, breathe.
We got more.
(25:58):
Um, I was in the DailyTelegraph, a photo of me, uh, in
the audience right at the front,and it felt quite scary that we
got photographed and that we arethere being.
Recorded as being there, becauseI know when the Nazis occupied
Prague, there was a momentwhere, um, the Nazis came in and
(26:20):
there was photographs taken ofpeople and telling them to fuck
off and like sticking theirthings up and swearing at them.
And those people were all takenout.
They were all picked off andtaken out.
And there was part of me thatfelt like.
We are recorded as being there,and that that's now we are on a
list, like we're gonna berecorded, our faces will be
recorded as being there.
And that was quite scary.
And yeah, just so there was somechanting, there was some flags
(26:44):
and that's what happened.
It felt like, I mean, I'msurprised that there wasn't a
terrorist attack.
I'm surprised that there wasn'ta riot.
I'm surprised there wasn't likea huge fight.
Um.
It just, yeah, it was much lesshappened than it felt the
potential for, and the potentialwasn't because of Glastonbury,
it was because of the fusion ofthings that are happening in the
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UK at the moment.
I, it, I didn't realize howserious things had got, and I've
been trying to explain it topeople back here in SOC today,
and I just sound like a madperson, but it's.
So much more intense than Irealized.
'cause over here we're living ina bubble and I've been kind of
going, Hey, I think we shouldget a plan together.
A sort of what if plan, youknow, what if World War III
(27:29):
starts and we are the end of thefood line and um, we won't be
able to feed ourselves.
Like what do we do about that?
And things like that.
And I just seem a little bitlike a prepper and a bit of a
lunatic.
And now having been in the UKI'm like, Hmm, I think World War
II's.
Definitely already started.
Uh, AI's a big issue.
(27:51):
Um, fascism is in full swing.
Uh, I mean, there are manythings happening, basically like
a revolution might be about tokick off.
We don't, I mean, it's huge, theamount of, um, like a military
state, there are so many thingshappening that have the
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potential to be the thing that.
Kicks off that.
It's like we have to considerour options.
We have to the what ifs.
What if, what if World War IIIkicks off whatev?
What if we get occupied again?
What if there is no food?
What if there is no way ofgetting medicine?
What are we gonna do?
(28:32):
Like we need to start thinkingabout that as a tiny little
island on the end of the supplychain.
We need to start thinking aboutit, but it's like how to get
that across without soundinglike a mad person.
But having just been in England,I'm like, uh, I'm sorry.
I 100% this is all this ishappening.
I can't tell you exactly what,but it's happening and.
(28:52):
It was quite a shock.
It was quite a shock to be inthe atmosphere.
So I spent Saturday beingextremely despondent and part of
it was also being despondent atGlastonbury.
There was something wrong withGlastonbury and I couldn't work
out what it was.
And then I had a really goodchat on the Sunday with someone
who's an event organizer calledGabriel.
I used to teach his daughterdrama and I'm really excited
(29:13):
because she's about to go off todrama six on college, which I'm
really, really proud of.
Northbrook she's going to, andI'm just so chuffed that I was
part of her journey of beingexcited and into theater.
'cause she was in my drum groupwhen she was five and she loved
it and I loved teaching her.
And she was.
Mate.
I mean, she stood out as beingsomeone who's hugely imaginative
then.
So I'm extremely excited thatthis is now part of her life.
(29:37):
But, um, yeah, talking to herdad, who I've known for years
through the event organizingworld in Brighton, gave me some
really interesting insights.
So I'm going to interview him aswell.
Uh, just to like, I'd like tointerview a bunch of people in
and around Glastonbury.
'cause I feel like.
In terms of being an artist,it's, it's, you know, along with
the Edinburgh Fringe, it'sprobably the main thing that we
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do in terms of creativity andthe work that goes into it, and
it's been so interestingwatching things change.
Brexit was probably the keymoment for me where I realized
that the audience were adifferent demographic to the.
Festival providers, the festivalmakers, because the sort of
people who can afford 375 poundsa ticket are not artists, but
(30:25):
artists can get in for free bygoing there and working, but.
The artists and the eventorganizers and the people who
can make things and put thingson have been always sort of
doing it as a favor because noone really gets paid properly
and they do get paid properly atother events.
It's not just that that wholeindustry's like that.
Glastonbury doesn't really payand.
(30:49):
The amount of money availableand the number of tickets that
people are getting keeps gettingsmaller and I've just noticed
it.
You can kind of see it in theproduction value of what's going
on and also the heart like itit, rather than it feeling like
this creative super medley, itfeels like a bit like a prison
camp is got an increasinglyprison campy feel to it and.
(31:15):
Consumerists feel to it.
And then I discovered loads ofstuff about how it's being run
and some of the people at thetop who aren't the ees.
I think that the ees have theirhearts in the right place, but
some of the people that arewhispering in the ear of the ees
and kind of guiding the journeythat it's going on.
Very, very different to whatit's really about.
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And I think sometimes you're soseparated from what's happening
that you don't realize thatyou're being guided away from
like the, the divine beautyflame at the center of it.
And that I felt that a lot onSaturday and I was like.
And I had a moment ofdespondency where I was just
like, fuck, England's fucked.
England is fucked.
(31:55):
Glastonbury's fucked.
It's all fucked.
I'm so glad I'm living inSarken.
It was a real fear.
I was I, I had a panic attackand was just.
In fear for, I couldn't, I waslying in bed trying when I was
trying to go to sleep, and Icouldn't think of a way through
at all.
I couldn't, and I'm normallyquite good at coming up the
(32:15):
ideas.
The only thing I could think ofwas maybe we should go on a
creativity strike.
And all artists and creativepeople should say, well, you
keep shitting on us and you keeptaking from us, and you are
destroying everything that'sbeautiful in the world.
So we are just gonna take ourcreativity away and go on strike
and you can be beige.
You go be beige.
You try and be, try and do allthis without us and just take it
(32:38):
away.
Um, that, but I mean, how youwould orchestrate that?
I do not know, but that was myone idea that I had.
And it, and it didn't fill mewith hope'cause I couldn't work
out how that would possiblyhappen.
But the next day I had anincredible vision and it was.
A lot to do with sleepdeprivation and um, yeah, a
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mixture of soup of things.
And I went off, I went off to adifferent place and I had a
vision, and the vision wasincredible and I can't really
put it into words.
And by putting it into words,I'm doing it disservice.
But there is something that Iwanna share from it, which was,
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it was absolute.
Contentment and.
Everything was included.
Everything was there.
So it was the yin and yang.
It was the dark and the light.
There was all the archetypalbeings, all of them.
So there was Mother Earth andthere was sort of like a devil.
It wasn't the devil though.
It was the horned God.
But there was, yeah, thefeminine and the masculine.
(33:43):
And there was the, there was,you know, creepy, uh, fairy like
things, though it was very Lordof the Rings and very fairy
worldy, but it was.
It was everything.
It was the dark and the lightall in one, and there was a lot
of golden light.
It was very golden, very fiery,but not sort of scary fire.
It was just gold.
(34:03):
And so there was sort of aheaven tightness to it, but it
was, it wasn't just the good, itwas everything.
It was everything in totalbalance and harmony and
contentment and.
Uh, interconnectedness and, uh,the necessity of all the parts.
It was just a, it was everythingand it, and in harmony and
(34:26):
absolute contentment.
There was no need anywhere.
There was no desire.
It was just fulfillment and.
And it was really rich anddelicious and lovely, and I sort
of desperately tried to holdonto it, uh, for as long as I
could, but it went and I have tojust sit with it and feel it.
(34:46):
I felt so amazing from it, andI, and I came back with absolute
hope that this is so muchbigger.
This is the, the whole thing isjust so much bigger than the
pettiness of the world and theviolence and the fighting and
the horror.
I mean, that is real and it'shappening and it's bullshit and
we must fight.
(35:08):
But, but there is hope andthere's something much bigger
than all of it.
And it's beautiful and, andeverything's there.
It's all included.
It's not just get rid of thebad.
It's, it's all of it's there.
And it was, yeah, I, I came backfeeling.
(35:28):
Like I don't need to have theanswers, I just need to go with
the flow and, and participateand be part of it.
And yeah, throw myself down thefront of kneecap and Bob villain
and chant and scream andcelebrate and pick a side and
fight and, you know.
Do it and be part of thegovernment here and put myself
(35:50):
on the line and all the rest ofit.
But it's, it's, it's a, it's aplay, it's a story thing that's
happening.
It will keep changing.
Things will keep shifting,stuff's gonna happen, but it's
all just a bunch of stuff that'shappening and it's, uh, it's a
dance and an experience andbeyond.
It is just total contentment andconnection and
(36:11):
interconnectedness and.
Peace.
Peace and yeah, great.
It'd be love.
Lovely to be back in that, butwe're back in that forever.
You're getting a moment of dramaand.
Conflict and separation andexperience and physical
experience.
You won't get that.
That wasn't there.
(36:31):
It was like, it was like aninterconnected kaleidoscope that
was moving and shifting, but itwas all together.
I.
So that was cool.
That was interesting.
And yeah, I loved it.
Now I'm gonna pull a room.
I'm not gonna talk too muchtoday'cause I've got some of the
background and chat and stufffrom Glastonbury, which I'll be
editing into this.
I wonder how long this will endup being, but I am going to pull
(36:53):
a room.
But first of all, I will, askyou for support for my Patreon,
which is patreon.com/jaylie.
Rose, this is such a.
(37:15):
Brilliant thing to be doing.
I love doing it.
I love the feedback I got frompeople when I was away.
It was nice to be in England andto hear that people are
listening to the podcast andthey're really enjoying it.
That was wonderful.
Got a lovely reaction from theJimmy Martin podcast where
people from the island whowouldn't normally listen, uh,
really enjoyed it and, and didlisten in.
That was awesome.
(37:36):
So yeah, I've just had.
A lot of positive feedback, andI love doing it so much.
So if I can make this myfull-time job, that's the top
dream, and that's what I'mstriving for.
So if you enjoy it and youlisten to it regularly and you
wanna be able to support me andsupport this continuing, then.
(37:56):
Join my Patreon.
It's three pound a month forjust the bottom tier, which is
saying thank you.
And I do loads of free content.
So you get the podcast, you getmy videos each fortnight for the
moon, doing a reading, and I putout my articles in the Guernsey
press, uh, talking about themoon and waste work with her.
And then I do my moonceremonies, which everyone's
welcome to come along to thatare on Zoom.
(38:18):
Just follow the link and joinand.
I love doing all these threethings and it means that you got
all the links in one place.
You've got access to everythingin one place, and then for nine
pound a month, that's, uh, a bitextra.
And that means you can see thevideo of the podcast and.
If, uh, like I'm doing a courseor an immersion thing, then you
(38:41):
can get a bit of a discountthrough signing up if you are a
Patreon supporter.
So you get some discounts on thepaid for work that I do.
So I would love it if you wereable to support me.
I really appreciate it.
If you can't, that's not aproblem whatsoever.
It means that people who havegot money are paying for you to
be able to have a free podcast.
It's a generous sharing,circular thing, and we all get
(39:02):
to enjoy the podcast.
Uh, if you could tell peopleabout it, that would be amazing.
And yeah, just word of mouth Ithink is the most important
thing.
So let everyone know that youlove it.
Um, share about it on socialmedia and I will be eternally
grateful.
So thank you.
And I don't have any live stuffcoming up to tell you about date
(39:22):
wise.
I'm gonna try and get my bookfinished and then we're gonna be
doing a, a pre-book launch overAutumn, so September, October.
So I need to try and get it donebefore them.
That's my target.
so it's so important with booksales for people to pre-order
them.
The more pre-order sales youhave, the more likely the books
(39:42):
shops are gonna stock the book.
So that's the key thing.
So I'll chug on with that, getthat done, and then I'll let you
know.
And then the next time I'mperforming is gonna be at
BoomTown.
I'm gonna be opening thefestival again on the origin
stage, and then we will also berunning the Laguna Coven venue,
which is, you're gonna have tofind it.
It's a bit secret, but it's anold town.
(40:03):
Uh, but you'll have to searchthat out.
It has a pentagram on the door.
So that's my little clue.
And then I'll be at KentwellHall for a week.
After that, and I will be doingsome more interviews there,
interviewing the fascinatingpeople that live as tutors
there.
I'm just loving doing this.
I know so many cool people, andeveryone I know is cool.
Everyone, all humans areinteresting and it's such a
(40:25):
delight to interview people, soI'm just crack on with that.
Keep doing that and sharingthese little parallel universes
with you and I hope you enjoythem and so on with the show.
(40:51):
Okay, so the ring for today isinteresting.
A spiritual gift, gee off.
It's a cross, like a kiss cross,and it's a bit like the center
of the infinity symbol, theTaurus, and it is the
interaction between.
The inner and outer and alsolike in romance.
(41:13):
So it's, it is the relationshipbetween you and the outer.
And the outer could be a human,but it's also the outer world.
And so that for me is, is whatthat vision was.
So I, I went into the innerworld and fully experienced the
inner world, and it's perfectharmony, it's peace, it's, it's
(41:35):
just contentment.
And then.
I'm out in the outer world andin the outer world.
There's need and want and desireand fury and, and rage and like
longing and hope for peace andsadness and heartache and all
these things, and it is reallytough to be alive, but.
(41:55):
You are only alive for a reallyshort time and then it's all
over.
And that was the thing that mydear friend Matthew said to his
partner, Heather, uh, when shesaw him in a dream when after he
died.
I've probably told you thisstory before, but I'm gonna tell
you again because it was so epicand it was a key part of our
pilgrimage journey.
So I probably talked about it inthe Pilgrimage podcast, but she
(42:16):
was on a kind of spaceship like,um.
The death star and the doorslike slid open and Matthew came
through and she's like, oh, youare dead.
It's like, uh, no shit.
Um, and she said, what's it,what's it like?
And he said, well, it's a littlemore organized than you'd
expect.
And that was what my experiencewas as well.
It was.
A bit like an Asher painting orsomething where everything
(42:36):
clicks together.
So they're all separate partsand all different weirdnesses,
but they all connected like apuzzle.
And that's what I mean, like amoving kaleidoscope.
So as I was moving through thisplace, there was no gap.
So there was no separation.
Everything was connectedtogether.
I.
And it was just kaleidoscopingaround and, and all the
archetypes were there.
Everything was there and it wasorganized in that it all
(42:59):
interconnected.
And so I get what he's saying bythat.
And nature is allinterconnected.
The whole thing isinterconnected that we're in,
but we experience it asseparate.
We don't see the.
What the black space is inbetween the stars.
We don't see what the air is inbetween us and, you know, the,
the screen or whatever, buteverything is connected here as
(43:20):
well, but we just don'texperience it in that way.
And then she said, um, he saidlike, you can come and visit
whoever you want, but if it'ssomeone you don't know, you have
to put in a request.
And he said, uh, Einstein'sannoyed with me because I've
been spending a lot of time withhis sister.
And that was the weird thing, isthat Heather didn't know that.
Einstein had a sister, but thenwhen she went and checked him
(43:41):
out, which I did as well, uh,she really looks like Heather.
So Matthew's been chatting upthe Einstein sister that we
didn't know existed, and shereally looks like his wife
Heather.
So that was strange and quite,quite a mad little bit of the
story.
And then she said, have you gotany advice, like anything you
want to say to me?
And he said, make the most ofhaving a body.
(44:02):
And that was such a key thing inour pilgrimage because when you
are walking a pilgrimage, youhave blisters, you're aching,
you stink, you're sleeping inpuddles and it, you know, it
gets so gross and sometimes it'ssuch an ordeal, but what a
privilege to be alive and to bephysically experiencing that
stuff.
And that's the same witheverything that's going on in
the world now.
(44:23):
So that's where I.
What I felt at the end of Sundayat Glastonbury having seen this
vision was that yes, on SaturdayI could feel the separation, I
could feel the conflict and, andall the drama and danger and
flammability and pressure thateveryone is under.
And how tired everyone was.
(44:44):
We were all so tired.
None of us had the energy to dothe kind of stuff that we used
to do, like going out dancingand it wasn't an age thing.
'cause there were people in ourgroup, you know, down to 19, um,
16, 17, 15, whatever.
There were people in our worldof all the different age groups,
and no one had the energy to goout and party the way that we
used to.
(45:05):
So, and then I saw a good memeon Instagram like at some point
over the weekend.
That was like, of course you'retired.
You know, the world's fucked.
You are, you, you experiencedthe pandemic and then had to go
back to work again.
You are being ignored by themedia and you're going on
protest and everyone's ignoringyou.
And we know that we are beinglied to and we're being forced
(45:28):
into a position that none of uswanna be in.
Of course you're tired.
And that's exactly how it feltlike.
It's, it's exhausting right now.
And mental health is under a lotof pressure and it's all still
just a bunch of stuff that'shappening.
We are more than this.
It is an outer world experience,like a simulation, like a game,
(45:52):
like a play.
A hologram, whatever it is,there's a thing that's the outer
version of something that in theworld is completely at peace and
connected and we're all one.
And yeah, I dunno what I like.
I think until I had this vision,I didn't really feel what being
all one meant, but I felt.
(46:13):
I felt it.
I felt the, just the lack of anytension or, and it was peace and
it was heaven.
I mean, I, that's what I said tomy friends afterwards, like, I
went to heaven last night.
But heaven has the connotationsof being all good and being the
good place and being a bitfluffy and a bit tween.
I've often said, well, I don'twant to go to heaven'cause it
sounds shit like I want.
(46:35):
Rock and roll music, and I wantthe horns of God and I want, you
know, a bit of darkness andsexiness and some BDSM and like
all that stuff.
It was all there.
Everything was there.
It just wasn't in conflict.
And that was what was heaven.
Well, heavenly about it, butlike I say, words kind of take,
take away from it and diminishit, but it was, it was just
(46:55):
absolute connected peace, whichis the opposite of the outer
world.
And so.
That's waiting for us.
I mean, I don't know for certainthat's what's waiting for us on
the other side, but that's what,that's what it felt like to me.
And that's great, but I will bethat forever.
So it is made me appreciate andwanna participate in and
experience the madness of this.
(47:17):
I mean, I don't wanna end upgetting in a concentration camp
and being tortured I'd, I'drather avoid that if I can, but.
I'm gonna just keep runningheadlong into this madness and
nonsense in the chaos, becausewe're only here for a short time
mate.
And then that's over.
And, um, bring it on.
And, and if it is, you know,just a game and a simulation,
(47:41):
play it like your life dependson it.
And like it really matters.
And fight for what you believein, but don't also believe in
it.
Don't believe in the game.
Don't believe in the storyline.
Don't believe that.
We are trapped or the narrativesof this is how it's gotta be.
Know that you can change it'cause it is just a made up
crazy shit show of nonsense andchaos.
(48:04):
So you can do whatever you wantwith it.
It's a don't believe that youare as trapped as they're
letting you think you are.
So that's, that was what Ilearned from Glastonbury this
year.
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So next up is the Chaos Crusade.
And for the Chaos Crusade Iwould.
Like to encourage you to go to afestival that you haven't been
to before and that's out of yourcomfort zone and maybe going to
a really big festival and havingthe experience of being in
amongst so many people, which isquite scary.
(48:48):
Being at Guston.
Bri's terrifying.
I, I, I never used to have panicattack.
I mean, I probably did and Ijust didn't realize I was,'cause
I didn't know that's what theywere called.
But I don't remember havingpanic attacks at big things
before.
Maybe I did, I don't know.
But now I know the name of them.
I'm, I'm aware that I do havethem, and it is all right.
It's not the end of the world.
Like, yeah, being in big groupscan be quite scary, but it's
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also fascinating and really coolwhen you are at the front of Bob
villain and kneecap and you knowyour life.
A key life moment.
You are, you are there at amoment that we're gonna be
talking about in 40 years time.
You know, that's, that was a keymoment, like watching Jeremy
Corbin, um, talk that was, andthen Kay Tempest play
(49:33):
afterwards.
That was a key moment and I wasthere and.
It's really incredible to be ina group of huge numbers of
people at key historicalmoments, but also it's really
cool going to tiny littlefestivals as well.
So if you've only ever been tobig festivals, going to tiny
festivals where you end upknowing everyone by the end of
the day or the end of theweekend is also special.
(49:57):
Going to different countrieswhere it's pushing you out of
your comfort zone by going to adifferent country to, to a
festival.
The reason why I think it'simportant is it's a bit like why
we did the Nomadic Academy ofFools.
So we could have just done theFooling Academy in one place,
but part of us going todifferent places to do it was to
soak in the atmosphere and thearchetype of the land that we
(50:17):
were in, and I so was aware.
This festival at Glastonburythat I was on, the Michael and
Mary Lines, and that I'm gonnabe walking them again in
September or October and I'll bewalking through that site.
I'll be walking throughGlastonbury and how important
that place is and that it's onthese lines and how, how
important that is.
Um.
I, I was, I was so happy to bewith them again, and I feel like
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they were part of what happenedon Sunday and, you know, came to
me to give me hope because Ineeded it.
'cause I was about to leave thatfestival.
I literally was, like I said toEllie, um, Ellie O'Brien, who's
my trad wife, rad wife, I saidto her, I think I might have
just made myself normal on theSaturday because I felt so
drained of creativity andinspiration that I, I just felt
(51:02):
like I didn't want to giveanything to the.
The game anymore.
And I, I was so despondent likethat was the word.
It's despondent, but I felt, Iwent to bed that night, devoid
of creativity.
And then what I got on theSunday is part of this heaven
was, was the like, uh, abundanceand plethora and not even the
(51:24):
words for it because it was sobeyond words, rich and infinite.
But, but it was creativity.
That's what it was.
And.
Archetype and dreaming and likethere aren't words for it.
They don't, they don't evencover it.
But it was so rich and deep and,and nourishing and, and I, I, I
(51:49):
came back like with no concernswhatsoever about creativity.
I was like, ah, that's fine.
I'm part, this is allcreativity.
It is all, it is all creativityand.
Yeah, so it was needed and Iappreciated it, and I felt like
the land and the lines gave thatto me and supported me with that
journey and.
You know, when I do BeltoneFestival here on sarc, being
(52:11):
here for the blue bells and, andthe spring and being that, being
part of what the festival is, isso key.
So this, it's also about beingoutdoors and being in nature,
but being with a group of peopleand celebrating, it's so
important.
So if you don't go to festivals,it's not something you normally
do.
I really urge you to go to one,but I also urge you to go, if
you do go to them and you go to'em regularly, go to one that's
(52:33):
a completely different musicscene to what you normally do,
or go to one in a differentcountry or go on, go to one
that's a different size to whatyou normally do, just to push
yourself outta your comfort zoneand connect with different types
of people and, um, and see whatthat's like.
So I'm gonna endeavor to dothat.
I, I might not be able to manageit this summer, but I'm going to
at some point go, uh, next year.
I think I might go to a.
(52:54):
Yeah, there was a couple offestivals that people told me
about.
There's like the Blue dotFestival, which is like a nerd
geek festival.
Uh, I quite like the idea ofgoing to, and then there was a
performing arts festival in, uh,in East Anglia.
Great Yarmouth maybe, um, thatpeople said I should go to.
That was like a theaterperforming arts.
I mean, that is sort of the kindof thing I would go to, but I
(53:16):
haven't been to anything likethat for ages.
Like not since, well, we used tohave the National Street Arts
meeting in.
The UK when I worked for ZapArt, and we used to put on the
streets of Brighton, but thatwas like 2006, I think that
stopped happening, or 2007 thatwe, no, probably 2006 that we
stopped doing that.
So that was a long time ago now.
So yeah, something like that.
(53:36):
I'd like to put myself in a, ina position where I'm.
'cause it would be quite achallenge for me to go to a
theater festival again, becauseI'm so not doing that well now,
that, uh, it would be probablyreally good for me to dip back
into it and be like, oh, this iswhat's happening.
Oh, actually I, I really know myway around this and I'm way more
experienced than this.
Or like, oh, this is.
(53:58):
Really exciting and innovativeand is pushing me and making me
think of new things that I neverthought of before.
You know, either or.
That would be interesting.
So yeah, push yourself out yourcomfort zone.
Go and explore the world offestivals and be outside with
different communities.
So that's my chaos crusade andthank you so much.
I'm gonna really enjoy editingthis together with the
(54:19):
background noise of Glastonburyand the lovely adventure that
went on with Ellie.
So it's Ellie, you can hear thatI'm, uh, wandering around with
and um, yeah.
I'm gonna, yeah, I'm lookingforward to interviewing people
from Glastonbury and Unpicking.
What happened this weekendbecause it was a lot.
So thank you ever so much and Ishall see you again next week.
(54:39):
See the, an.
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