August 1, 2025 • 51 mins
During this week’s podcast, I reflect on the adventure that unfolds when I let the universe lead and trust the unknown. I explore the lessons of Mercury Retrograde, tune into Kairos time, and speak on the importance of keeping my nervous system regulated by trusting the process — especially as I head into a season where everything seems to be happening at once.
How do I disrupt the old narratives, stay organised, meet my responsibilities, earn money, and nurture my relationships — all at the same time?
It is possible, if I stay calm and trust that all will be well.
And all will be well, if I create it to be so.
So mote it be.
The music and artwork is by @moxmoxmoxiemox
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The.
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Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host, Jolie Rose.
I've just had the most gorgeousSunday.
I absolutely love Sundays.
It's my favorite day of theweek.
I think I was born on a Sunday,actually.
Yes, I was.
And I was very pleased when Ifound that out.
And today we had the perfectSunday, so we all headed down to
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durable.
There was a gang of us that wentdown.
There's some really, reallylovely people on the island this
year, so every year it'sdifferent.
We are a kaleidoscope ofcommunity and all the time new
people come over as seasonalworkers and or move over here
and people come and goconstantly.
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So it is funny'cause it's 500people and everyone assumes that
it's a really quiet place andthat.
The social life must be reallyquiet and everyone says, oh, it
must be so different coming fromBrighton.
And I have more of a social lifehere than I did in Brighton.
I in my twenties, definitely hadmore of a social life in
Brighton, but at the age that Iam now, 46 in Brighton, most of
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my friends had had children andwere, you know, doing the family
thing.
Those of us who hadn't hadchildren, were still going to
the same pub that we all used togo to in our twenties, and we
would sometimes hang out withand have fun with the 20 year
olds in the pub, but not thatmuch.
Mainly we were just withourselves and it was sort of
getting a bit.
Like tardy.
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I felt, I dunno, it just felt abit sad.
There was a handful of us leftand we would still do lots of
lovely things and I went todance groups and you know, I'd
go Zimber and I was going toyoga and, and you know, there
was always loads of stuff goingon and very work stuff mainly,
you know, which wasn't work'cause it was creative, it was
all being artists and everyonewas being artists.
We were always going to eachother's private views and all
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that kind of thing.
And then there were all the kidsparties and events and you know,
we did do stuff together.
It definitely was less thanhere, which is.
The age groups all hang out witheach other, so it's completely
unnoticeable here that I don'thave children.
I'm just in amongst people whodo have children.
There are children there as wellhanging out at the pub, like we
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all socialize together and allof the age groups and all of the
different people are there.
So I spend as much time hangingout with 20 year olds and.
60, 70, 80 year olds, I'mhanging out with everyone.
So today we went to the beachand there was a 19-year-old, a
24-year-old, I wanna say.
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A 38-year-old.
30, 30-year-old, 46, which wasme, 24.
And.
I think that was over.
Oh and yeah, God, I don'tactually know how old Jan is.
I would hazard guess 40something.
So you know, that was quite arange of ages and that was in
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the group that went down todurable and we just.
Went down there today becauseit's a really low tide, so it's
one of the harder beaches to getto.
It's quite a steep climb and mythighs are gonna feel it
tomorrow, although I'm intraining for the pilgrimage.
So it's a good thing to be.
I'm, I'm just trying to be asactive as I can at the moment,
going out doing loads ofadventure, start kayaking and
just as much exercise as I canbecause the pilgrimage you do
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get fit quite quickly'causeyou're walking, you're only
walking 10 miles a day.
So it's not grueling.
But it's, uh, cumulative andwhen you, obviously you don't it
for two months, it, you do feelit eventually, but also you.
Building up stamina and, andfitness as you go, but it
definitely helps to be fitter.
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I got quite ill the two timesI've gone when I haven't been
fit.
This will probably be about thesecond fittest I've been, the
first time I was in 2020, I was,I was doing lockdown, so there
was nothing to do other than getfit.
Uh, but I've been really activethis summer, so I feel like I'm
in a good place for it, which isnice.
So going down to durable anddoing that didn't feel arduous.
It was like, oh, this is useful.
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It was free.
I always love free exercisewhere you're not.
It's not like paying to go to agym or whatever.
And Darville Beach is amazing.
It's really big, giant SandyBeach and it's got very cool
caves.
So there's a cave that's a cru.
So Cru is spelled C-R-E-U-X.
And our harbor, we've got MalineHarbor, which is the modern one,
the one that's in use.
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And then Reer Harbor, which isstill in use, but it's the
Fisherman's Harbor and it's theold harbor.
And KU means chimney.
Uh, so when you have a cavewhere.
Reef has fallen through.
And so it's got a chimneylooking up to the sky.
That's a cru.
And so Cru Harbor would've beenone of these chimney caves at
one point, and then it's fallendown and become the sort of
natural bay that was used as theoriginal harbor.
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And on Darbo Beach, there's acrow cave and it's awesome.
And it's so beautiful'causeyou've got all the stratas of
rock and then you've got.
Ferns and moss spilling downinto the circle.
It's just lovely.
It's a really magical place.
And we went down, we had apicnic, played Frisbee.
Frisbee hit, someone just gotoff the boat.
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Someone who'd, um, come on theirrear ball sailing boat or
something and they just, yeah,they just got off their rib to
get onto the shore and.
Three women, and they literallywere walking along, they were
French, and we all watched inslow motion as this Frisbee just
went smack into one of theirfaces.
It was one of those moments thatwe were trying so hard not to
laugh, but it just meant that weended up laughing for ages
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because it was, it was reallyfunny.
We all tried to stop.
Well, we didn't try.
It was just one of those momentswhere we all just saw the same
thing happen and there wasnothing we could do about it.
And yeah, it was funny.
And, ash bought his inflatablekayak and me and him went
kayaking out to all the way to,um, the chasm by the cupe, which
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has got three is this cave chasmcomplex with three exits, and
normally one of them'sunderwater, which means that the
water looks so turquoise'causethere's light shining underneath
and it's stunning.
But this, because it was such alow tide, it was a completely
different look and feel to whatI'm used to.
And suddenly it was all reallytowering.
And the bit that was normallyunderwater was this huge
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archway.
And that's what I love about thecoast here.
It's, I go out almost every dayon a kayak or swimming, and it's
never the same coast twicebecause the tides are always
different heights.
And we've got the third biggestcoastal tidal range in the
world.
And so our.
It's just a different landscapeevery time.
I love it and I, so that's oneof the things like the social
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life never stays the same andthe landscape never stays the
same.
And the things that come out andwhat happens in nature and the
order that they come out isdifferent every year as well.
And so this year we've got some.
Gorgeous ladies, girls that havecome over.
One is a carriage driver andone's just, um, moved over here
hopefully permanently, andthey're adorable and I love them
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and they've made my summer.
And yeah, each year, like acouple of people might move over
and you just end up spending thewhole summer with them and you
just have a little love affair,like a summer, friendship,
romance, and, and then they'regone again.
So it is cool because it'salways moving and shifting.
And it's really amazing, like itjust doesn't stay the same
every, and everyone who turns upchanges the dynamics round
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slightly and new friendship,friendship groups form and yeah,
like they're, I'm hanging outwith people this summer who.
Live here and who I've known forfive years that I hadn't really
hung out with before, andsuddenly we're all hanging out
because we've clicked with thenew people or whatever.
You know, there's always reasonsfor why it's all shifted around,
but it doesn't stay static.
It's not boring.
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Really cool.
I love it.
And yeah, just, yeah, reallyfunny.
Like last night turned up at,the senor put on a gig at his
house last night, and it lookedbeautiful.
Just, it's where we do BeltaneFestival and there's fairy
lights everywhere and it, itlooks stunning.
And the band that play everyWednesday at the old hall, who
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are the open mic bands, so it'sall the locals who've started
jamming together.
And now I've got this littleband going, they played and it
was really like, it was reallyfun.
I was working so I didn't get togo to it, but people really
enjoyed it.
And then I turned up.
Right at the end because that'swhere all my friends were and my
husband is, was there.
So I met them to then go back toAsh's house and um, some of the
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band members came back, one ofwhich is a teacher who I teach.
I mean, I don't teach, so I'm,because I'm the chair of
education, I'm his.
Boss and yeah, it was justreally fun to like hang out
socially.
'cause me and him had neveractually hung out before and his
daughter is amazing and I gotreally well with his daughter
and it's just so lovely.
Like you, you just, yeah, alwaysfind yourself in funny
situations that you just,nowhere else in the world would
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any of that happen like nowhereelse in the world?
Would I be in the localauthority or be a politician and
be, you know, the equivalent ofthe Minister of Education in the
UK and then like be hanging outwith.
A teacher who I employ, who'salso in a band who's now hanging
out with me in the house withthe other band members.
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It was just funny.
It doesn't happen anywhere else.
And yeah, it's been a beautifulSunday.
So we spent the day down there,had a picnic, and then came back
up again and I'm.
I realized that it's a week tillBoomTown, uh, only probably a
few days ago, and it was a bitof a shock because I thought I
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had two or three weeks and thenhad to post the box of costumes
to BoomTown.
I'm a bit.
Nervous about them not gettingthere in time.
Uh, so they've gotta get therein a week.
So hopefully that will happen.
I'm scared of them getting lost.
I just, I'm not gonna temp fate,but I'm nervous about what the
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costumes and then I also didn'trealize, so I've got a week
before BoomTown and we'reopening BoomTown, that's all
mega.
And then.
At BoomTown for a week, then I'mat Chem Well being a tutor for a
week.
So I had to also suddenly think,what do I do about my tutor
costume and having a tutorcostume ready to wear, and then
I'm back for two weeks and thenI'm on the pilgrimage for two
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months and I'm like okay.
I don't have any money.
What am I doing?
I've not got any money.
I'd applied for Arts Councilfunding to do this, and it's the
fourth time I've submitted itand we haven't got it.
And that's.
Crazy when I, I've spent 20years living as an artist
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through Arts Council funding.
And I would get two outta threebids.
And that was my normal, andthat's what my whole 20 year
career has been based on.
When the pandemic hit, theygrabbed or did a big net throw
to try and capture as manyartists as possible who had been
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commercially viable.
So they hadn't applied for artscouncil funding because they
were like my friends are insomething that.
Was like this, where they aretrained classical musicians, and
so they spend a lot of time, andthey all live in London, and so
they would go to Covent Gardenand Busk, which actually made
them loads of money.
That was a really good way ofmaking money.
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But they also had this amazingact where they would do
theatrics whilst playing theirinstruments.
So one show I saw them do waswhere they did the news on the
telly.
So it was almost like a, or no,it was like a whole day of tv.
Programming.
So they had like the morning TVand they had the news and they
had all these different things,but it was all, oh, and sports.
They went to the Olympics, butit was all done with them.
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Running around playing musicwith their instruments.
So as they were doing the sportschannel, they'd be like using
their violins as badmintonrackets or tennis rackets.
And would do Wimbledon or yeah,they'd make things into shapes
like the TV using the, the, um.
Bows of the instruments andstart doing the news.
So they just, they played aroundand, and they would go into
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little skits and do aperformance and then run around
playing their instruments and itwas really cool and it just did
well.
It was one of those things that.
Got booked for places.
It was funny.
It was a bit fancy'cause it was,orchestral instruments and
they're really good musicians.
And then they'd also get bookedfor weddings and that kind of
thing.
So they just were commerciallyviable and they made money.
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Uh, they're called Bojangles.
They're brilliant.
Check them out.
And they, didn't need artscouncil funding, but when the
pandemic hit, it meant thatthere was no work for people
like Bojangles.
And so.
Therefore they were encouragedto apply for funding from the
Arts Council and because thefunding that was uh, offered was
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pretty much the same as writinga normal funding bid.
So all of the arts found out howto write an Arts Council bid,
and I think that was probablythe main obstacle for most
people was that.
If they were commerciallyviable, why would they bother
doing that?
But once they'd done it andthey'd learn how to do it, and
they'd all got funding, and youknow, we kept afloat during the
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pandemic for that year or twothrough Arts Council.
Now all of those people know howto write bids and the funding's
been cut.
And with AI and just generallythe way the world.
Is encouraging people to be.
More and more people are likefollowing their dream and
becoming artists, but onlypeople who can afford it.
So it's wealthy artists.
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So I'm a bit annoyed and sced bythe whole thing'cause I'm
someone who hasn't got anymoney, who's been 46 years
chugging away at this work and.
Supported by Arts Council, butnot the work that I do isn't
sort of grand scale commercial.
It would be, it'd be cool if itdid become that, but I just
don't ever sort of seem to fitinto the mainstream enough for
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that to happen.
I've, I've always been open toit and I.
Like just put, putting stuff outthere and it lands how it lands.
I love there's a TED talk aboutgenius and it says it's an
ancient Greek way of seeinggenius, which is, it's something
that lands on you and you are,it rides you.
So it's not about you.
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You just get ridden by thisspirit, this thing, and.
It's about, so what your job isas a mortal is to do the work,
is to just turn up and do thework and put yourself out there.
And if Genius chooses to land onyou and ride you, then that's up
to it.
And what.
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I feel, and it's a bit like withall these things, like what's
good or evil or what is geniusor what is success?
There are glimmers and momentsof it all the time.
So I've definitely had momentswhere I have been ridden by this
spirit and I do all the time tobe honest, like when I'm
channeling or you know, when I'mleading the pilgrimage and we're
just in ceremony for that wholetime, and that was epic and that
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was a huge piece of work.
Or when I'm writing my books,like it comes through all the
time, but the level to whichthat.
Reaches or whatever then happenswith that is, is up to the
universe.
Like, I can only do my 50%.
The universe has to do, itsother 50%.
And in many ways it's gone offand done huge things.
Like many things that I'vecreated, you know, I've created,
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um, protest movements like theclandestine insurgent rebel
clown army circa that wentviral, that went all over the
globe.
And I was part of the originalteam that created that.
And that went huge.
Like, you know.
Done loads of things that haveended up being big old things.
It's just whether at the end ofthe day, I've got a pension out
of it.
The answer is no.
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And here I'm at 46 with the ArtsCouncil funding disappeared.
So it's trying to like work outhow to survive and make a
living.
Without that there, it's not abad thing to be having to learn
to do because you know, if it'snot there to rely on, which it
isn't anymore, then you justgotta.
Get on with it, but it'sannoying because I've applied
for funding for the pilgrimage.
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This is the fourth time I'vesubmitted the same bid.
Like I tweak it each time toimprove it, but there's no
guarantee that when it comesback this time I'll get it.
And that's the last opportunityI had to put it in.
So I think I need to set up acrowdfunder, but ideally I
wanted the crowdfunder to be toraise money for.
Charity because obviously ifwe're walking that far, it would
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be good if it was raising moneyfor charity, but I'm gonna
probably need to do a, I need topay my bills, like my rent while
I'm away.
Funding bit.
Maybe, yeah, if I can like workout what the most basic budget
is that I would need and thentry and raise more than that,
and whatever extra I raise willbe for charity.
But anyway, it's not ideal.
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Ideally, I would like to befundraising for charity and the
uh, arts Council will pay forthe behind the scenes bit, but
we'll see.
So yeah, got a box of costumesin the poster.
BoomTown got all these thingshappening that I haven't got the
funds to cover and.
So much stuff to do because Ihadn't thought that it was also
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seen and it's mental.
And like friends turning up andpeople who I really care about
and love and wanting to spendtime with'em because by the time
I get back from them,pilgrimage.
All of the seasonal workers aregonna have left.
And my dear friend Cara, who'sthe reason why I moved over
here, has been away for ages.
And she's getting back tomorrowand she's gonna be back.
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And I, I have three weeks lefttill November on the island.
And I've also gotta get all thegovernment stuff that I'm
involved in up to speed so thatit's okay for me to be away.
It's just mental.
And I didn't, I didn't quiterealize how soon it was all
happening and.
I'm having to trust theuniverse.
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But I like that because this isa good lesson because it is,
it's what the pilgrimages havetaught me and it's what I don't,
it is I always, you know, Ialways do this one foot either
side.
It's not necessarily a Wawathing, although I actually
partly believe it is.
So personally, I believe that itis just the things that I've had
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happen from the universe.
It's felt bequeathed to me.
It's felt like gifts.
It really has, you know, meetingDez after that first pilgrimage
felt like a gift.
And living here and ending up insk, it feels like a gift.
There are so many things thatfeel like gifts from the land
and from reality that I'm like,thank you very, very, very, very
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much, and I'm so grateful forall of it.
And.
Trusting the process with allthis because I, I want to see my
friends and people that I love.
Like today was beautiful.
I, I managed to get a big chunkof work done before I left this
morning, and then went and had agorgeous day, and now I'm here.
Getting bits of work done andit's about not getting head up
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really and getting stressedabout it because same with the
funding and the box gettingthere in the post.
You just gotta trust theuniverse.
Even if something goes wrong,it's believing that it's all
gonna work out okay.
And that's the bit, that doesn'thave to be Wawa because it,
that's about just not panicking,keeping your nervous system.
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I always forget the wordrelaxed, but that's not the
word.
Stable, not the word.
Oh, whatever the word is.
You know what it is.
Uh, it I'll, it'll come to me ina minute.
Oh, that's annoying.
Yeah, staying calm and justtrusting that it will, it will
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work out fine anyway.
If things go wrong and you haveto find another route round or
do things differently, thenit'll always end up being better
or lead to something else, soit's, it's all fine.
And I.
I'm quite excited.
Well, no, I'm not quite excited.
I'm extremely excited aboutwhere things are heading with
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what we're doing at BoomTownthis year.
This is a secret, I'm gonna tellyou because.
I feel like I have knowledge ofmost of my listeners and I think
it would be fine for me to sharethis, but so BoomTown, this
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year, the storyline, I'm not asexcited by as I have been in
previous years in terms of, I, Ifeel like there's so much going
on in the world at the momentthat is vital and the things
that happened in the last twoyears felt like this huge, like
turning point.
It felt like a.
A thing was about to happen and.
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It feels a little bit like afiller in terms of, um, you
know, if you have like a TVseries, there are episodes that
really move the plot along andthen there's the odd episode
where it feels a bit like afiller.
And yeah, I feel a little bitlike that this year.
It's still great.
I love it all.
Obviously I love all of it, butit's made me want to be really
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proactive and disruptive in whatI.
Do.
But then that's cool becausethat's also how I feel in the
world at the moment.
And there's this thing that wehave in fooling, which we call,
put it in the play.
So if you are annoyed withsomeone having a difficult time
with someone in the group thatyou're working with
theatrically, instead of arguingin the changing room and putting
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all the drama into the rehearsalspace or the dressing room, put
the drama.
On the stage and use all thefeelings that you have about
that person in your performance,and you put it in the play and
it's really cathartic and itmeans that most actors and
performers tend not to be verydramatic people in their
everyday lives because they'redoing it in a theatrical,
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creative space.
And I love that.
I've had so many experienceswhere I've.
I mean, the first time I did it,this was before I even did
fooling.
It's when I was a drama group,when I was a teenager, when I
was 13, 14, 15, my darling daddyhad an affair with my drama
teacher, the woman who ran thedrama group that we went to, and
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we found out and.
Knew but hadn't told him yet.
And my drama teacher didn't knowthat we knew and we put together
an improvisation with our mates.
So we told our mates what washappening and we put this
improvisation together where oneof my friends played my dad, and
then we all stood in a circleand we all told him exactly what
we thought of him as charactersin this play and.
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It was, uh, yeah, it was great.
My drama teacher ran out crying.
We were like, eh, and then atKentwell as well, with the
mama's plays, we've used mama'splays to comment on things that
we're annoyed about or that wethink are being dealt with
badly, or, yeah, anything thatwas a, we felt a bit rubbish.
We would do a play about it andtake the mickey out of it and
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point out how stupid it was.
And so, yeah, I'm used to usingtheater as a way of.
Expressing my discontent andwhat I'm gonna do with our La
Luna Coven venue this year isturn it into a kind of French
resistance.
So I heard this amazing talk theother day by Rob Hopkins who
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wrote From What is To What If,and created Transition Towns.
And I'm really inspired by hiswork and it's what inspired
BoomTown last year.
So it felt apt that this sort ofcame from him.
And he was talking about someonewho'd written a book on the
French resistance and.
Was talking about how, how willyou find the courage to do
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something like that and whatthose sort of people are like.
And the guy who'd written thebook was like, well, overall
they were extremely optimisticand that I loved.
'cause it was like, oh yeah, ifyou're coming from that's.
That's the way to do it.
You come from this place of justtotal optimism that no, we can
do this, we can change this, wecan overthrow what's going on,
and we can make a difference.
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And we've just gotta resist.
You've gotta resist it.
And that's absolutely where I'mat.
And so I like the idea alsothere's a big thing in the
spiritual world of spiritualbypassing where spiritual people
would rather not speak out andsay what side they're on with
things because they.
They, you know, are spiritual,but it's mainly'cause they don't
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want to lose followers or Iguess there is an element of the
witch wound as well.
I think probably'cause I amfeeling that, I'm feeling
vulnerable.
I feel very vulnerable in termsof, I, I, I'm, I've made it
clear which side of the fenceI'm on.
As someone who's putting my neckout saying I'm a witch, and I'm
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in my power and I'm an outspokenwoman, and all that kind of
thing, it doesn't normally gowell for us, especially if you
find yourself the wrong side ofthe fence, it's normally quite a
good reason and excuse to, to dohorrible things to you.
So I, I feel vulnerable in a waythat I didn't in 2020 when I
first started being like, I'm awedge, like really publicly and,
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and changed my.
Creative focus to be more thisdirection than like fringe
theater, which is what I wasdoing before it at that point in
time.
It just felt like a hugeempowering thing and it felt
like the goddess was rising andyeah, it just, there was, it
kind of felt like things weremoving in a really good
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direction at that point andthem.
The way that it's gone in thelast year, like this year, and
all the mad astrology that'shappening this year, it just
suddenly feels dangerous to haveput myself here.
It's been done now and again,it's trusting the universe.
This is where I'm meant to be.
This is what I'm meant to bedoing.
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And to just go, well, fuck it.
I've done it now, so let's justput my foot flat down on the
pedal and drive full Pel atthat.
F whatever that thing is infront of me because it, that
thing in front of me that's onfire and is heading towards a
wall anyway, you know it, thewhole thing is heading towards
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destruction anyway, so might aswell get involved.
I'm just like, ah, oh, well,it's just.
Let's just put your hands in theair and scream whilst on the
rollercoaster ride, but be rightat the front and yeah, just go
for it.
So I'm gonna do that in BoomTownand that, that feels so
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exciting.
It's that I'm gonna put thatenergy into BoomTown and have
this whole resistance thinggoing on.
So what normally would be thissacred space that you go into?
We are gonna turn it into a,like French resistance space
where we are asking the peoplewho come in to oh yeah.
And I've created a time machine,um, a crystal time machine
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where.
You can only use it so manytimes and then it will crack.
And so we have used it twice sofar and we've gone back in time
and we've seen the neolithicpeople using the, the bowl.
That is the space where BoomTownis the land where it is, which
happens to be on the spine ofAlbion lay line.
And the Ellen energy line runsthrough it.
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And it's this magical place thatif you listen to the earlier
podcasts, you'll hear thatJonathan K, who's my falling
teacher, actually got thelicense for that.
Bowl to have a festival in it.
So he got the festival licensebecause he knew that it was a
land temple and it was a sacredspace where this energy pools
and that people would go thereand, and fill themselves up with
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this pool of energy and havefestivals and celebrations
there.
So pull that into it.
We're gonna draw that into itand say that we went back in
time and we've seen theseneolithic celebrations and we'll
dream into what we think.
They look like.
And then we'll say, and we wentto the future and we won.
And it's amazing and thefuture's incredible.
And we'll like make up a load ofstuff about how great the future
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is and why we loved it.
And then we'll say, but the, the'cause the chapter this year,
the theme of this year'sBoomTown is the power of now.
So we'll then say, but we don'twanna keep using the crystal
'cause we've, we dunno how manygoes we've got before it'll
crack.
It feels like probably one morego or something.
And.
So what we are trying to workout is how do we get from here,
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from now to the future thatwe've envisaged.
So this thing, you know,there'll be some steps.
There's things that we need toput in place to make sure that
that happens.
We'll have a sheet on the wallwith, you know, when you have
bits of string, like an murdermystery thing, and you've got
the police officers trying towork out who did it, and they
have all the bits of string andimages up on the wall.
We're gonna do that.
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And then also have a load ofcardboard and brown tape and,
uh, sharpies and make cardboardbuildings and stuff where we'll
ask the people who come in tobuild, like, what would you love
to see in BoomTown?
What would be your perfect townto live in?
What would it include?
And for people to build it outof cardboard and explain what
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they are and stuff, and then putthings up on the wall explaining
it.
And then we make this cardboardversion of BoomTown that's like
our dream BoomTown with thisdream future or how to get to
the dream future on the wall.
And then we're gonna give thatall to BoomTown at the end of it
and be like, here's all theideas that the visitors had
about a perfect future, but alsoit'll be reflecting the world at
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large.
Like, we'll be thinking aboutthe.
The bigger picture.
It's just great using themetaphor of Boone Town to do
that.
And yeah, for us to just beresisting and be like, you know,
we'd love to just be herewafting and being priestess and
having a lovely spiritual time,but we've gotta do shit.
We've gotta do something aboutthis situation because it's all
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going wrong and we can't, wecan't just stand by and not let.
Not do anything about it.
And so that's what we'll besaying, and I'm just really
excited.
I'm really excited that we'vefigured out what we're doing.
Uh, it was from a brilliantintention setting meeting that
we had for the Leo Dark Moon,and then the Leo Dark Moon
ceremony was great as well.
I find Leo Energy extremelyempowering.
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I love it.
And so, yeah, feeling empoweredand excited, and I'm trusting
the universe and trusting thatthings will unfold as they
should, and that all will bewell.
And yeah, I can't wait to go onthe pilgrimage.
I can't wait to be in thatliminal, kairos time space.
I'm so looking forward to it.
So I've only got, that's a goodpoint, podcasts as well.
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I'd really like to try and carryon doing the podcast while I'm
on the pilgrimage, but it's justprobably not feasible.
I will attempt it.
I've got some microphones comingthrough and I have.
Learn to and done podcasts onthe road.
It is possible, and it'd be coolif I did do it but I might not
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be able to.
So we were like.
Set up expectations to be.
Maybe I could do them everyother week or something like
that, but we'll see.
We'll see how it goes because Idon't wanna spend all my time on
my phone and it does take a lotof time to do, but maybe I could
upload just an interview orsomething.
It might just be that it can'tbe quite as formatted and maybe
I could go back and format themlater when I'm at my computer.
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But yeah, we'll see.
It is doable.
It's just I don't wanna spendall my time on my phone when I'm
walking.
But it would also be good tocapture stuff, so we'll see.
Yeah.
I'm gonna pull a room.
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If you enjoy this podcast, thenplease consider supporting me on
Patreon, which ispatreon.com/jolie Rays this.
Is a way for you to support thework that I'm doing.
So all of the things that I'mtrying to fund and support
happening at the moment would begreat.
If you were to become a monthlysupporter and patron of the
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arts, that would be fantastic.
That's a way that you can helpme but also I will be.
Sharing about doing some sortof, I,'cause there's two
fundraising things that I, wellactually sort of three, three
fundraising things that I'd liketo do.
Uh, but one of them is in two.
So one of them is fundraising tocover bills for the pilgrimage,
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but also to raise money forcharity.
Almost certainly Gaza.
Direction.
But I need to find out or figureout how, because I know things
aren't even getting through.
So I'd have to look into thebest way of doing that.
And then also I do need tofundraise and.
Develop the Kickstarter for mybook launch, but I need to fine
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tune and get clear about exactlywhen the launch is happening.
But it, it is for getting thepre-sales, hopefully it'll be
for Christmas and to get thepre-sales from doing a
Kickstarter and then some fundsto just pay for an illustrator
to do the maps.
'cause I think it would be greatto have maps with the book.
But basically the book is done,which is exciting.
And uh, it's with Dan Sump, whoI interviewed on the podcast.
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He's my publisher, so he's gonnalook through it.
I dunno whether he, it's, it'sus trying to fit in time-wise
when we can do things.
But, uh, watch this space.
So.
These are just heads up thatthey will be happening.
If you would be able to vote forthis podcast if you love it and
enjoy it, which I hope you do.
If you could go onto the podcastawards, there is a listeners
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choice award.
You just type in nonsense in thechaos and then reply to the.
A confirmation email that getssent to you.
It's as easy as that.
So you just type in nonsense inthe chaos and it'll come up.
So if you could do that, thatwould be awesome.
I would thoroughly appreciatethat.
And then, yeah, just come andsee if you're at BoomTown, come
and see me.
I'll be doing the openingceremony on the lines gate
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stage.
So.
We'll be blessing the crowd atthe start of the opening
ceremony.
So come along and see that.
Then come to our venue and bepart of the resistance and help
us design a better future.
And then I'll be at Kewell Hallin Suffolk in Long Melford the
week after BoomTown being atutor.
So if you live in East Angliaand you fancy coming along to
that and do come and say hello.
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Then I'll be back in the ChannelIslands for two weeks, Vail
Earth Festival.
Just going along to enjoy that.
So I'll have a boogie with youif I see you there.
And then two months walkingacross the country.
And if you go onto career arts.
Instagram or Facebook, there's alist of the dates of where we're
walking and uh, if you'reanywhere along the Michael Line
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walking from Cornwall to theNorfolk coast and you'd like us
to stop and perform for you, oryou'd like to host us or feed us
or just hang out and walk withus for a bit, get in touch.
It's all available.
It's all possible, and it'll belovely to see you.
So thank you so much.
And now on with the show.
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Oh, it's the fool.
So it's the blank room.
So the blank re, I think of asthe Fool, because it is like a
zero.
It's a round ruin with nothingon it.
So it's like the zero, which.
The fool is the top of the tarotdeck and is everything and
nothing.
It's the infinity symbolunfilled.
So the infinity symbol, as I'vetalked about in many other
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podcasts, the out world'sInfinite, the inner world's
Infinite.
Then you've got this sphincterin the middle, which is your
ego, and that's whateverything's passing through.
So you are having thisexperience of a subjective
individual life, but really.
When you untwist and you becomeone with everything, like
children are like, toddlers arelike one is when you are really
in the moment and genius isriding you and you're fully in
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the flow and something else iscoming through and your inner
and outer have become one world,then that is the fall and it's
trusting the unknown.
It's trusting the universe.
And that's what this wholejourney has been for me, for
life, is to just keep steppingoff that cliff into the unknown
and trusting it.
So whatever happens.
Trusting it.
And it's funny'cause it'sMercury retrograde at the moment
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and it does make things gowrong.
Like, Starlink went down on thedark moon night and it went down
globally and I was like right inthe middle of doing the
intention setting ceremony forBoomTown and then had a dark
moon ceremony as well thatevening and that, so it was the
one night that really wasn'thelpful for it to go down and.
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That's just Mercury retrograde,just, but you just gotta be
chill with it.
And again, like I was born on aSunday, I was born in a Mercury,
I was born in during Mercuryretrograde.
And I actually prefer that time.
And it's, I feel more akin toKairos time.
So there's Kronos, which ischronological time, which is
what we're all used to livingin.
It's patriarchal linear time.
And then kairos time is perfecttiming.
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And that's when you just.
Don't bother thinking abouttime, and I'm trusting that,
that's, it feels like Mercuryretrograde for me, feels ROI and
it, and I feel more magicalwithin it.
And so.
Yes, I've got a million thingsthat I need to do before I go
away on either BoomTown orKewell or the pilgrimage, and
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I'm trusting it, including goingand spending the day down in
durable because for some reasonit will all just fit together
and it'll fit in and it'll befine.
Whereas if I freak out about itand I try and, if I go into that
Kronos state or that stressed,nervous system, place regulated,
that was the word, anunregulated nervous system state
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Then.
Everything will go wrong anyway,and I won't get stuff done.
But by being relaxed and beingregulated and trusting the
universe and trusting the flow,then everything will just click
together and I'll get as muchdone as I can.
But I'll be much more efficientand enjoy doing things I'm doing
rather than it be a stress.
I'm happy to be doing thispodcast.
I love doing these podcasts.
I don't want to be stressingabout it.
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Oh, I've got such an awesomeinterview lined up.
So the interview next week isthe Seed Sisters who are my.
Dear Friends and Heroes, and Irecorded that.
So I'm gonna edit that and havethese uploaded so they come out
while I'm away.
And then I'll make some podcastswhile I'm away of BoomTown and
Kentwell, which I'll be veryexcited to share with you when I
get back.
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So, yeah, I'm gonna put theprerecorded interview up at the
Sea Sisters.
Ah, they're so.
Cool.
They are two of the most coolpeople in the world and I adore
them, so I can't wait to sharethat with you.
Ah, it's gold.
And I'm really excited and Ilove the one with Ray as well.
I really enjoyed interviewingRay.
He's such a dude, so lots ofamazing things coming up and
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interviewing people at Kentwell.
Looking forward to that.
So it's just.
It just trusting thateverything's gonna be great.
I'm about to have a lovely time.
It's all gonna be wonderful.
Things will fit into place andall will be well.
And it's just trusting that andpulling the full room is about
as good as it gets.
It's just saying yes, step offthat cliff into the unknown and
trust.
I had a wonderful moment oncewhere I my family get.
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Are obsessed with cults likewe've joined loads of cults.
I've been in, I mean, I've been,my parents met at a cult that
was in the newspaper and stufffor being a cult, and the guy
who married them was in thenewspaper for being a cult
leader, but they were aChristian prayer group called
the Christian Crusaders.
So it wasn't, it wasn't a propercult like it really was.
I mean, none of the cults,actually, one of them is a
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proper cult that I've been in.
But yeah, so that wasn't aproper cult.
And then people have oftencalled the Tudor thing, Kentwell
Hall, a cult.
Uh, the fools have often beenreferred to as a cult.
Our pilgrimage group startedseeming quite culty and then.
The one that was a proper onewas Landmark Forum, which, uh,
actually was a, you know, youpaid money and it was known for
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being a cult.
And it got closed at one pointand then it changed its name and
became landmark Education.
It was called Forum before that.
But that I really enjoyed.
I got a lot out of it and Ididn't actually spend any money
on it.
My family, my parents paid forme to do it because they wanted
me to do it.
And I was like, well, if you'regonna pay for me to do it,
that's fine.
But, uh, yeah, we all got a lotout of it because we all share a
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language now of a way of beingable to talk about proper
things.
You know, actually having thelanguage for emotions and the
emotional landscape is reallyuseful when you and your friends
and family.
All have the same vocab.
It's brilliant.
Uh, and because we did all doit, loads of us did it.
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There was a whole group of usthat did it.
Friends as well as family.
We just are able to cut through.
You know, I'm, I can get amessage from my mom's boyfriend
who I've only met twice andthey've been together something
mental, like 18 years and.
He can say to me through my mom,oh, you are running a racket on
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this person and he'll becompletely right and I'll get
what he's saying and that's allI need him to say.
And so he can help me and giveme advice and support.
L with just a sentence becausewe understand what each other's
talking about.
So I thorough enjoyed that.
But it was really hard to leavebecause it was all about being
enrolled.
And if you didn't enroll in thenext course or stay involved,
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then it was always questioned asto whether you were blocking or
running a racket.
That was what they, they'd sayyou were running a racket on, on
the coal, on landmark education,so it was difficult to leave and
people would ring you up and tryand.
Engage you and enroll you,inspire you to stay in it.
So I.
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Wanted to go to drama school.
And that's what I got from doingthe course was, oh yeah, I'm
gonna go to drama school.
That's what I'm gonna do.
And so when they then rang meup, I then enrolled them in the
idea of me going to dramaschool, which took up all my
time and was gonna take up allmy money.
And there was just no way that Icould do any courses whilst
doing that.
And I'd be doing it for twoyears and they.
Were inspired by it and theyagreed and they went, yeah.
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All right then.
Yeah.
Okay.
I, yeah, that's, you are goingoff to live your dream.
So they let me go, which wasawesome.
But I was right in the middle ofa course when that happened and
it was quite a big, it was oneof the, it was quite far up the
pyramid scheme and I'd alreadybooked some, like the work, the,
like the weekend workshops thatwere part of this course, were
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all over the world and so wewere meant to be going to Tel
Aviv at the time.
I never went there, which itwould've been interesting to
have done in light of everythingthat's gone on of late.
It would've been interesting tohave gone there.
Uh, so one of them was in TelAviv and one was in Amsterdam
and I had already booked thehotel and everything for that
weekend for Amsterdam.
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So I went.
Anyway, uh, my family were thereas well.
My dad and mum were on the samecourse and were there.
They went and did the course andI went and had a lovely weekend
going to a film festival.
There was a documentary festivalrunning and I saw amazing
documentaries.
It was brilliant.
I really enjoyed the festivaland I went and saw the Van Gogh
Museum and just had a lovelytime.
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But I met up with the coursepeople.
At a cafe and someone had thistarot deck that was a zen tarot
deck, and 12 people in a rowshuffled the cards and pulled
what was the fool card in thispack.
But the card was zen and it wasthis like.
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Kind of Buddha who just foundenlightenment and was completely
zen and that was the zero cardin this particular tarot day.
And 12 people in a row from thiscourse pulled that card,
shuffling it and you know, doingeverything to make sure it
wasn't.
A trick or you know, because itwas being badly shuffled.
They, it was, people were doingit properly and 12 people in a
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row pulled the card, the Zencard, and then it got handed to
me and I could feel everyone'sexpectation that I wasn't gonna
pull it.
And I blooming, pulled it and itwas like one of those drop the
mic moments.
I was like, yep, and I'm gonnaleave.
And it's.
Fine that I'm leaving and I'mfully in the same zone as you,
but I'm gonna go off and dodrama school instead.
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And that's how I managed to getout of the cult.
But that's how I feel about.
Just the, yeah, trusting theunknown and what the full card
means is, it's such a powerfulcard.
It really is.
Let everything go, just trustthe process.
Trust it, and I love it whensynchronicities and magic
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happen.
It just feels wonderful, whetherit's, whether it means anything,
whether it's in any way, Wawa, Idon't care.
It just makes life exciting and.
Gives you a good story like thatone and makes you feel like
you're doing the right thing,makes your nervous system feel
regulated and just feels likeyou're in the right place and
you're doing the right thing.
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So pulling that, having justsaid all the things I've said
and what we're planning to doand what's going on, and
trusting that all will be well,like it doesn't mean that I'll
get the funding bid, it doesn'tmean the costumes will arrive
safely, but whatever does happento trust it and just go with it.
And so that brings us onto theChaos Crusade.
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For the Chaos Crusade this week,I invite you to follow signs and
omens for a day.
So intentionally from the momentyou wake up to when you go to
bed, follow the signs.
Follow the messages that arecoming through and.
You know, if, if it's tellingyou to take a day off or telling
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you to walk a different route'cause you see a bird land or
just, you know, if you hearsomething on the radio or you
see a number that meanssomething to you to follow it,
to see where that might leadyou's, to really look for the
messages that are coming throughfrom the universe.
It's all, you know, I'm notsaying that it's true or that
it's literally happening, butjust to see what happens to your
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day.
When you spend a day doing thatfollowing signs that means
something to you, like yourfavorite color or music that you
like or whatever it is, justspend a day following the signs
and I'd love to hear whathappens.
So please get in touch and shareif you do do it.
And something interesting occursbecause I find that it does.
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And it is because we are meaningmaking machines, which is a
landscape, a landmark term thatwe are meaning making machines,
but we are meaning makingmachines and that's part of what
we are as humans.
And we look for patterns.
And so we will find things andthey will excite and tantalize
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us and trigger imagination andtrigger.
Emotions.
And that's the lovely thing.
So when you are not doing this,you just sort of end up with
blinkers and you are distractedand you are not being present.
So that's the main thing I thinkthat happens when you are
following signs and you arebeing led by the universe and
you are letting that happen, isthat you are a lot more present.
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And when you, you're morepresent, you are more in tune,
you are more ninja.
Like you're just more in theflow and.
And I do think it helps regulateyour nervous system.
'cause when you're not doingthat, you are in your head and
you're in your thoughts andthat's when you tend to hit
yourself up and get heady aboutthings and worry.
Worrying about a problem is liketrying to solve an algebra
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equation by chewing bubble gumas the great sunscreen song
says, ma Lemons, uh, wearsunscreen My Bible song.
Yeah.
Why be in your head and worryabout things when you can be
present, follow the signs,follow the omens, and trust the
universe and have a game of,let's see what's going on.
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By being actually fully here,the power of now, which is what
the theme of BoomTown is thisyear.
The power of now I, I am, I aminspired by what's going on.
It's just, I just feel like,yeah, I felt like something
could have happened more thanwhat.
Is happening.
But you know, it's no disrespectI love Beam Town, I love
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everything they do.
It's a wonderful thing.
But I, yeah, I was a bitdisappointed and gonna do
something about it.
Gonna go as will probablyeverybody else, you know, it'll
still turn into something epic.
But yeah, I just.
Wanted to see something a bitmore, uh, flipping the script
and mind bending happen.
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I was expecting something a bitmore mind bending.
So let's do it ourselves.
If it's not the script you wantand it's not as mind bending as
you'd like it to be, then it'syour job to make it.
So, and that is what we're gonnado.
So thank you so much for beinghere and I really hope that you
are inspired to flip the scriptand.
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Pump things up yourself.
This Leo energy is ferocious andfantastic.
I love it.
So use that rocket up your bumto do something mega over the
next six months.
'cause the Leo Dar moon connectsto the Leo full moon, which is
in the other end of the year,the other half of the year.
So six months from now.
So this what you're setting now,the intentions and the direction
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that you're setting now is atrajectory that.
We'll drive you forwards for thenext six months.
So let's, let's fucking smashsome shit up and do some madness
and cover it in glitter and allthe other things.
Let's step off that cliff intothe unknown and create something
mega.
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Huge, huge love to you.
I can't wait to share nextweek's episode with you, and
then I can't wait to share whathappens on the adventures into
the unknown and into these madspaces.
We'll see what happens.
I'm sure it's gonna be bloodymarvelous.
So until next time, see theanon.
The.
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Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host, Jolie Rose.
I've just had the most gorgeousSunday.
I absolutely love Sundays.
It's my favorite day of theweek.
I think I was born on a Sunday,actually.
Yes, I was.
And I was very pleased when Ifound that out.
And today we had the perfectSunday, so we all headed down to
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durable.
There was a gang of us that wentdown.
There's some really, reallylovely people on the island this
year, so every year it'sdifferent.
We are a kaleidoscope ofcommunity and all the time new
people come over as seasonalworkers and or move over here
and people come and goconstantly.
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So it is funny'cause it's 500people and everyone assumes that
it's a really quiet place andthat.
The social life must be reallyquiet and everyone says, oh, it
must be so different coming fromBrighton.
And I have more of a social lifehere than I did in Brighton.
I in my twenties, definitely hadmore of a social life in
Brighton, but at the age that Iam now, 46 in Brighton, most of
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my friends had had children andwere, you know, doing the family
thing.
Those of us who hadn't hadchildren, were still going to
the same pub that we all used togo to in our twenties, and we
would sometimes hang out withand have fun with the 20 year
olds in the pub, but not thatmuch.
Mainly we were just withourselves and it was sort of
getting a bit.
Like tardy.
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I felt, I dunno, it just felt abit sad.
There was a handful of us leftand we would still do lots of
lovely things and I went todance groups and you know, I'd
go Zimber and I was going toyoga and, and you know, there
was always loads of stuff goingon and very work stuff mainly,
you know, which wasn't work'cause it was creative, it was
all being artists and everyonewas being artists.
We were always going to eachother's private views and all
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that kind of thing.
And then there were all the kidsparties and events and you know,
we did do stuff together.
It definitely was less thanhere, which is.
The age groups all hang out witheach other, so it's completely
unnoticeable here that I don'thave children.
I'm just in amongst people whodo have children.
There are children there as wellhanging out at the pub, like we
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all socialize together and allof the age groups and all of the
different people are there.
So I spend as much time hangingout with 20 year olds and.
60, 70, 80 year olds, I'mhanging out with everyone.
So today we went to the beachand there was a 19-year-old, a
24-year-old, I wanna say.
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A 38-year-old.
30, 30-year-old, 46, which wasme, 24.
And.
I think that was over.
Oh and yeah, God, I don'tactually know how old Jan is.
I would hazard guess 40something.
So you know, that was quite arange of ages and that was in
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the group that went down todurable and we just.
Went down there today becauseit's a really low tide, so it's
one of the harder beaches to getto.
It's quite a steep climb and mythighs are gonna feel it
tomorrow, although I'm intraining for the pilgrimage.
So it's a good thing to be.
I'm, I'm just trying to be asactive as I can at the moment,
going out doing loads ofadventure, start kayaking and
just as much exercise as I canbecause the pilgrimage you do
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get fit quite quickly'causeyou're walking, you're only
walking 10 miles a day.
So it's not grueling.
But it's, uh, cumulative andwhen you, obviously you don't it
for two months, it, you do feelit eventually, but also you.
Building up stamina and, andfitness as you go, but it
definitely helps to be fitter.
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I got quite ill the two timesI've gone when I haven't been
fit.
This will probably be about thesecond fittest I've been, the
first time I was in 2020, I was,I was doing lockdown, so there
was nothing to do other than getfit.
Uh, but I've been really activethis summer, so I feel like I'm
in a good place for it, which isnice.
So going down to durable anddoing that didn't feel arduous.
It was like, oh, this is useful.
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It was free.
I always love free exercisewhere you're not.
It's not like paying to go to agym or whatever.
And Darville Beach is amazing.
It's really big, giant SandyBeach and it's got very cool
caves.
So there's a cave that's a cru.
So Cru is spelled C-R-E-U-X.
And our harbor, we've got MalineHarbor, which is the modern one,
the one that's in use.
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And then Reer Harbor, which isstill in use, but it's the
Fisherman's Harbor and it's theold harbor.
And KU means chimney.
Uh, so when you have a cavewhere.
Reef has fallen through.
And so it's got a chimneylooking up to the sky.
That's a cru.
And so Cru Harbor would've beenone of these chimney caves at
one point, and then it's fallendown and become the sort of
natural bay that was used as theoriginal harbor.
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And on Darbo Beach, there's acrow cave and it's awesome.
And it's so beautiful'causeyou've got all the stratas of
rock and then you've got.
Ferns and moss spilling downinto the circle.
It's just lovely.
It's a really magical place.
And we went down, we had apicnic, played Frisbee.
Frisbee hit, someone just gotoff the boat.
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Someone who'd, um, come on theirrear ball sailing boat or
something and they just, yeah,they just got off their rib to
get onto the shore and.
Three women, and they literallywere walking along, they were
French, and we all watched inslow motion as this Frisbee just
went smack into one of theirfaces.
It was one of those moments thatwe were trying so hard not to
laugh, but it just meant that weended up laughing for ages
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because it was, it was reallyfunny.
We all tried to stop.
Well, we didn't try.
It was just one of those momentswhere we all just saw the same
thing happen and there wasnothing we could do about it.
And yeah, it was funny.
And, ash bought his inflatablekayak and me and him went
kayaking out to all the way to,um, the chasm by the cupe, which
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has got three is this cave chasmcomplex with three exits, and
normally one of them'sunderwater, which means that the
water looks so turquoise'causethere's light shining underneath
and it's stunning.
But this, because it was such alow tide, it was a completely
different look and feel to whatI'm used to.
And suddenly it was all reallytowering.
And the bit that was normallyunderwater was this huge
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archway.
And that's what I love about thecoast here.
It's, I go out almost every dayon a kayak or swimming, and it's
never the same coast twicebecause the tides are always
different heights.
And we've got the third biggestcoastal tidal range in the
world.
And so our.
It's just a different landscapeevery time.
I love it and I, so that's oneof the things like the social
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life never stays the same andthe landscape never stays the
same.
And the things that come out andwhat happens in nature and the
order that they come out isdifferent every year as well.
And so this year we've got some.
Gorgeous ladies, girls that havecome over.
One is a carriage driver andone's just, um, moved over here
hopefully permanently, andthey're adorable and I love them
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and they've made my summer.
And yeah, each year, like acouple of people might move over
and you just end up spending thewhole summer with them and you
just have a little love affair,like a summer, friendship,
romance, and, and then they'regone again.
So it is cool because it'salways moving and shifting.
And it's really amazing, like itjust doesn't stay the same
every, and everyone who turns upchanges the dynamics round
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slightly and new friendship,friendship groups form and yeah,
like they're, I'm hanging outwith people this summer who.
Live here and who I've known forfive years that I hadn't really
hung out with before, andsuddenly we're all hanging out
because we've clicked with thenew people or whatever.
You know, there's always reasonsfor why it's all shifted around,
but it doesn't stay static.
It's not boring.
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Really cool.
I love it.
And yeah, just, yeah, reallyfunny.
Like last night turned up at,the senor put on a gig at his
house last night, and it lookedbeautiful.
Just, it's where we do BeltaneFestival and there's fairy
lights everywhere and it, itlooks stunning.
And the band that play everyWednesday at the old hall, who
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are the open mic bands, so it'sall the locals who've started
jamming together.
And now I've got this littleband going, they played and it
was really like, it was reallyfun.
I was working so I didn't get togo to it, but people really
enjoyed it.
And then I turned up.
Right at the end because that'swhere all my friends were and my
husband is, was there.
So I met them to then go back toAsh's house and um, some of the
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band members came back, one ofwhich is a teacher who I teach.
I mean, I don't teach, so I'm,because I'm the chair of
education, I'm his.
Boss and yeah, it was justreally fun to like hang out
socially.
'cause me and him had neveractually hung out before and his
daughter is amazing and I gotreally well with his daughter
and it's just so lovely.
Like you, you just, yeah, alwaysfind yourself in funny
situations that you just,nowhere else in the world would
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any of that happen like nowhereelse in the world?
Would I be in the localauthority or be a politician and
be, you know, the equivalent ofthe Minister of Education in the
UK and then like be hanging outwith.
A teacher who I employ, who'salso in a band who's now hanging
out with me in the house withthe other band members.
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It was just funny.
It doesn't happen anywhere else.
And yeah, it's been a beautifulSunday.
So we spent the day down there,had a picnic, and then came back
up again and I'm.
I realized that it's a week tillBoomTown, uh, only probably a
few days ago, and it was a bitof a shock because I thought I
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had two or three weeks and thenhad to post the box of costumes
to BoomTown.
I'm a bit.
Nervous about them not gettingthere in time.
Uh, so they've gotta get therein a week.
So hopefully that will happen.
I'm scared of them getting lost.
I just, I'm not gonna temp fate,but I'm nervous about what the
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costumes and then I also didn'trealize, so I've got a week
before BoomTown and we'reopening BoomTown, that's all
mega.
And then.
At BoomTown for a week, then I'mat Chem Well being a tutor for a
week.
So I had to also suddenly think,what do I do about my tutor
costume and having a tutorcostume ready to wear, and then
I'm back for two weeks and thenI'm on the pilgrimage for two
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months and I'm like okay.
I don't have any money.
What am I doing?
I've not got any money.
I'd applied for Arts Councilfunding to do this, and it's the
fourth time I've submitted itand we haven't got it.
And that's.
Crazy when I, I've spent 20years living as an artist
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through Arts Council funding.
And I would get two outta threebids.
And that was my normal, andthat's what my whole 20 year
career has been based on.
When the pandemic hit, theygrabbed or did a big net throw
to try and capture as manyartists as possible who had been
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commercially viable.
So they hadn't applied for artscouncil funding because they
were like my friends are insomething that.
Was like this, where they aretrained classical musicians, and
so they spend a lot of time, andthey all live in London, and so
they would go to Covent Gardenand Busk, which actually made
them loads of money.
That was a really good way ofmaking money.
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But they also had this amazingact where they would do
theatrics whilst playing theirinstruments.
So one show I saw them do waswhere they did the news on the
telly.
So it was almost like a, or no,it was like a whole day of tv.
Programming.
So they had like the morning TVand they had the news and they
had all these different things,but it was all, oh, and sports.
They went to the Olympics, butit was all done with them.
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Running around playing musicwith their instruments.
So as they were doing the sportschannel, they'd be like using
their violins as badmintonrackets or tennis rackets.
And would do Wimbledon or yeah,they'd make things into shapes
like the TV using the, the, um.
Bows of the instruments andstart doing the news.
So they just, they played aroundand, and they would go into
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little skits and do aperformance and then run around
playing their instruments and itwas really cool and it just did
well.
It was one of those things that.
Got booked for places.
It was funny.
It was a bit fancy'cause it was,orchestral instruments and
they're really good musicians.
And then they'd also get bookedfor weddings and that kind of
thing.
So they just were commerciallyviable and they made money.
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Uh, they're called Bojangles.
They're brilliant.
Check them out.
And they, didn't need artscouncil funding, but when the
pandemic hit, it meant thatthere was no work for people
like Bojangles.
And so.
Therefore they were encouragedto apply for funding from the
Arts Council and because thefunding that was uh, offered was
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pretty much the same as writinga normal funding bid.
So all of the arts found out howto write an Arts Council bid,
and I think that was probablythe main obstacle for most
people was that.
If they were commerciallyviable, why would they bother
doing that?
But once they'd done it andthey'd learn how to do it, and
they'd all got funding, and youknow, we kept afloat during the
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pandemic for that year or twothrough Arts Council.
Now all of those people know howto write bids and the funding's
been cut.
And with AI and just generallythe way the world.
Is encouraging people to be.
More and more people are likefollowing their dream and
becoming artists, but onlypeople who can afford it.
So it's wealthy artists.
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So I'm a bit annoyed and sced bythe whole thing'cause I'm
someone who hasn't got anymoney, who's been 46 years
chugging away at this work and.
Supported by Arts Council, butnot the work that I do isn't
sort of grand scale commercial.
It would be, it'd be cool if itdid become that, but I just
don't ever sort of seem to fitinto the mainstream enough for
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that to happen.
I've, I've always been open toit and I.
Like just put, putting stuff outthere and it lands how it lands.
I love there's a TED talk aboutgenius and it says it's an
ancient Greek way of seeinggenius, which is, it's something
that lands on you and you are,it rides you.
So it's not about you.
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You just get ridden by thisspirit, this thing, and.
It's about, so what your job isas a mortal is to do the work,
is to just turn up and do thework and put yourself out there.
And if Genius chooses to land onyou and ride you, then that's up
to it.
And what.
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I feel, and it's a bit like withall these things, like what's
good or evil or what is geniusor what is success?
There are glimmers and momentsof it all the time.
So I've definitely had momentswhere I have been ridden by this
spirit and I do all the time tobe honest, like when I'm
channeling or you know, when I'mleading the pilgrimage and we're
just in ceremony for that wholetime, and that was epic and that
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was a huge piece of work.
Or when I'm writing my books,like it comes through all the
time, but the level to whichthat.
Reaches or whatever then happenswith that is, is up to the
universe.
Like, I can only do my 50%.
The universe has to do, itsother 50%.
And in many ways it's gone offand done huge things.
Like many things that I'vecreated, you know, I've created,
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um, protest movements like theclandestine insurgent rebel
clown army circa that wentviral, that went all over the
globe.
And I was part of the originalteam that created that.
And that went huge.
Like, you know.
Done loads of things that haveended up being big old things.
It's just whether at the end ofthe day, I've got a pension out
of it.
The answer is no.
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And here I'm at 46 with the ArtsCouncil funding disappeared.
So it's trying to like work outhow to survive and make a
living.
Without that there, it's not abad thing to be having to learn
to do because you know, if it'snot there to rely on, which it
isn't anymore, then you justgotta.
Get on with it, but it'sannoying because I've applied
for funding for the pilgrimage.
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This is the fourth time I'vesubmitted the same bid.
Like I tweak it each time toimprove it, but there's no
guarantee that when it comesback this time I'll get it.
And that's the last opportunityI had to put it in.
So I think I need to set up acrowdfunder, but ideally I
wanted the crowdfunder to be toraise money for.
Charity because obviously ifwe're walking that far, it would
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be good if it was raising moneyfor charity, but I'm gonna
probably need to do a, I need topay my bills, like my rent while
I'm away.
Funding bit.
Maybe, yeah, if I can like workout what the most basic budget
is that I would need and thentry and raise more than that,
and whatever extra I raise willbe for charity.
But anyway, it's not ideal.
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Ideally, I would like to befundraising for charity and the
uh, arts Council will pay forthe behind the scenes bit, but
we'll see.
So yeah, got a box of costumesin the poster.
BoomTown got all these thingshappening that I haven't got the
funds to cover and.
So much stuff to do because Ihadn't thought that it was also
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seen and it's mental.
And like friends turning up andpeople who I really care about
and love and wanting to spendtime with'em because by the time
I get back from them,pilgrimage.
All of the seasonal workers aregonna have left.
And my dear friend Cara, who'sthe reason why I moved over
here, has been away for ages.
And she's getting back tomorrowand she's gonna be back.
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And I, I have three weeks lefttill November on the island.
And I've also gotta get all thegovernment stuff that I'm
involved in up to speed so thatit's okay for me to be away.
It's just mental.
And I didn't, I didn't quiterealize how soon it was all
happening and.
I'm having to trust theuniverse.
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But I like that because this isa good lesson because it is,
it's what the pilgrimages havetaught me and it's what I don't,
it is I always, you know, Ialways do this one foot either
side.
It's not necessarily a Wawathing, although I actually
partly believe it is.
So personally, I believe that itis just the things that I've had
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happen from the universe.
It's felt bequeathed to me.
It's felt like gifts.
It really has, you know, meetingDez after that first pilgrimage
felt like a gift.
And living here and ending up insk, it feels like a gift.
There are so many things thatfeel like gifts from the land
and from reality that I'm like,thank you very, very, very, very
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much, and I'm so grateful forall of it.
And.
Trusting the process with allthis because I, I want to see my
friends and people that I love.
Like today was beautiful.
I, I managed to get a big chunkof work done before I left this
morning, and then went and had agorgeous day, and now I'm here.
Getting bits of work done andit's about not getting head up
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really and getting stressedabout it because same with the
funding and the box gettingthere in the post.
You just gotta trust theuniverse.
Even if something goes wrong,it's believing that it's all
gonna work out okay.
And that's the bit, that doesn'thave to be Wawa because it,
that's about just not panicking,keeping your nervous system.
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I always forget the wordrelaxed, but that's not the
word.
Stable, not the word.
Oh, whatever the word is.
You know what it is.
Uh, it I'll, it'll come to me ina minute.
Oh, that's annoying.
Yeah, staying calm and justtrusting that it will, it will
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work out fine anyway.
If things go wrong and you haveto find another route round or
do things differently, thenit'll always end up being better
or lead to something else, soit's, it's all fine.
And I.
I'm quite excited.
Well, no, I'm not quite excited.
I'm extremely excited aboutwhere things are heading with
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what we're doing at BoomTownthis year.
This is a secret, I'm gonna tellyou because.
I feel like I have knowledge ofmost of my listeners and I think
it would be fine for me to sharethis, but so BoomTown, this
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year, the storyline, I'm not asexcited by as I have been in
previous years in terms of, I, Ifeel like there's so much going
on in the world at the momentthat is vital and the things
that happened in the last twoyears felt like this huge, like
turning point.
It felt like a.
A thing was about to happen and.
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It feels a little bit like afiller in terms of, um, you
know, if you have like a TVseries, there are episodes that
really move the plot along andthen there's the odd episode
where it feels a bit like afiller.
And yeah, I feel a little bitlike that this year.
It's still great.
I love it all.
Obviously I love all of it, butit's made me want to be really
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proactive and disruptive in whatI.
Do.
But then that's cool becausethat's also how I feel in the
world at the moment.
And there's this thing that wehave in fooling, which we call,
put it in the play.
So if you are annoyed withsomeone having a difficult time
with someone in the group thatyou're working with
theatrically, instead of arguingin the changing room and putting
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all the drama into the rehearsalspace or the dressing room, put
the drama.
On the stage and use all thefeelings that you have about
that person in your performance,and you put it in the play and
it's really cathartic and itmeans that most actors and
performers tend not to be verydramatic people in their
everyday lives because they'redoing it in a theatrical,
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creative space.
And I love that.
I've had so many experienceswhere I've.
I mean, the first time I did it,this was before I even did
fooling.
It's when I was a drama group,when I was a teenager, when I
was 13, 14, 15, my darling daddyhad an affair with my drama
teacher, the woman who ran thedrama group that we went to, and
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we found out and.
Knew but hadn't told him yet.
And my drama teacher didn't knowthat we knew and we put together
an improvisation with our mates.
So we told our mates what washappening and we put this
improvisation together where oneof my friends played my dad, and
then we all stood in a circleand we all told him exactly what
we thought of him as charactersin this play and.
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It was, uh, yeah, it was great.
My drama teacher ran out crying.
We were like, eh, and then atKentwell as well, with the
mama's plays, we've used mama'splays to comment on things that
we're annoyed about or that wethink are being dealt with
badly, or, yeah, anything thatwas a, we felt a bit rubbish.
We would do a play about it andtake the mickey out of it and
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point out how stupid it was.
And so, yeah, I'm used to usingtheater as a way of.
Expressing my discontent andwhat I'm gonna do with our La
Luna Coven venue this year isturn it into a kind of French
resistance.
So I heard this amazing talk theother day by Rob Hopkins who
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wrote From What is To What If,and created Transition Towns.
And I'm really inspired by hiswork and it's what inspired
BoomTown last year.
So it felt apt that this sort ofcame from him.
And he was talking about someonewho'd written a book on the
French resistance and.
Was talking about how, how willyou find the courage to do
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something like that and whatthose sort of people are like.
And the guy who'd written thebook was like, well, overall
they were extremely optimisticand that I loved.
'cause it was like, oh yeah, ifyou're coming from that's.
That's the way to do it.
You come from this place of justtotal optimism that no, we can
do this, we can change this, wecan overthrow what's going on,
and we can make a difference.
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And we've just gotta resist.
You've gotta resist it.
And that's absolutely where I'mat.
And so I like the idea alsothere's a big thing in the
spiritual world of spiritualbypassing where spiritual people
would rather not speak out andsay what side they're on with
things because they.
They, you know, are spiritual,but it's mainly'cause they don't
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want to lose followers or Iguess there is an element of the
witch wound as well.
I think probably'cause I amfeeling that, I'm feeling
vulnerable.
I feel very vulnerable in termsof, I, I, I'm, I've made it
clear which side of the fenceI'm on.
As someone who's putting my neckout saying I'm a witch, and I'm
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in my power and I'm an outspokenwoman, and all that kind of
thing, it doesn't normally gowell for us, especially if you
find yourself the wrong side ofthe fence, it's normally quite a
good reason and excuse to, to dohorrible things to you.
So I, I feel vulnerable in a waythat I didn't in 2020 when I
first started being like, I'm awedge, like really publicly and,
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and changed my.
Creative focus to be more thisdirection than like fringe
theater, which is what I wasdoing before it at that point in
time.
It just felt like a hugeempowering thing and it felt
like the goddess was rising andyeah, it just, there was, it
kind of felt like things weremoving in a really good
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direction at that point andthem.
The way that it's gone in thelast year, like this year, and
all the mad astrology that'shappening this year, it just
suddenly feels dangerous to haveput myself here.
It's been done now and again,it's trusting the universe.
This is where I'm meant to be.
This is what I'm meant to bedoing.
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And to just go, well, fuck it.
I've done it now, so let's justput my foot flat down on the
pedal and drive full Pel atthat.
F whatever that thing is infront of me because it, that
thing in front of me that's onfire and is heading towards a
wall anyway, you know it, thewhole thing is heading towards
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destruction anyway, so might aswell get involved.
I'm just like, ah, oh, well,it's just.
Let's just put your hands in theair and scream whilst on the
rollercoaster ride, but be rightat the front and yeah, just go
for it.
So I'm gonna do that in BoomTownand that, that feels so
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exciting.
It's that I'm gonna put thatenergy into BoomTown and have
this whole resistance thinggoing on.
So what normally would be thissacred space that you go into?
We are gonna turn it into a,like French resistance space
where we are asking the peoplewho come in to oh yeah.
And I've created a time machine,um, a crystal time machine
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where.
You can only use it so manytimes and then it will crack.
And so we have used it twice sofar and we've gone back in time
and we've seen the neolithicpeople using the, the bowl.
That is the space where BoomTownis the land where it is, which
happens to be on the spine ofAlbion lay line.
And the Ellen energy line runsthrough it.
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And it's this magical place thatif you listen to the earlier
podcasts, you'll hear thatJonathan K, who's my falling
teacher, actually got thelicense for that.
Bowl to have a festival in it.
So he got the festival licensebecause he knew that it was a
land temple and it was a sacredspace where this energy pools
and that people would go thereand, and fill themselves up with
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this pool of energy and havefestivals and celebrations
there.
So pull that into it.
We're gonna draw that into itand say that we went back in
time and we've seen theseneolithic celebrations and we'll
dream into what we think.
They look like.
And then we'll say, and we wentto the future and we won.
And it's amazing and thefuture's incredible.
And we'll like make up a load ofstuff about how great the future
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is and why we loved it.
And then we'll say, but the, the'cause the chapter this year,
the theme of this year'sBoomTown is the power of now.
So we'll then say, but we don'twanna keep using the crystal
'cause we've, we dunno how manygoes we've got before it'll
crack.
It feels like probably one morego or something.
And.
So what we are trying to workout is how do we get from here,
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from now to the future thatwe've envisaged.
So this thing, you know,there'll be some steps.
There's things that we need toput in place to make sure that
that happens.
We'll have a sheet on the wallwith, you know, when you have
bits of string, like an murdermystery thing, and you've got
the police officers trying towork out who did it, and they
have all the bits of string andimages up on the wall.
We're gonna do that.
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And then also have a load ofcardboard and brown tape and,
uh, sharpies and make cardboardbuildings and stuff where we'll
ask the people who come in tobuild, like, what would you love
to see in BoomTown?
What would be your perfect townto live in?
What would it include?
And for people to build it outof cardboard and explain what
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they are and stuff, and then putthings up on the wall explaining
it.
And then we make this cardboardversion of BoomTown that's like
our dream BoomTown with thisdream future or how to get to
the dream future on the wall.
And then we're gonna give thatall to BoomTown at the end of it
and be like, here's all theideas that the visitors had
about a perfect future, but alsoit'll be reflecting the world at
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large.
Like, we'll be thinking aboutthe.
The bigger picture.
It's just great using themetaphor of Boone Town to do
that.
And yeah, for us to just beresisting and be like, you know,
we'd love to just be herewafting and being priestess and
having a lovely spiritual time,but we've gotta do shit.
We've gotta do something aboutthis situation because it's all
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going wrong and we can't, wecan't just stand by and not let.
Not do anything about it.
And so that's what we'll besaying, and I'm just really
excited.
I'm really excited that we'vefigured out what we're doing.
Uh, it was from a brilliantintention setting meeting that
we had for the Leo Dark Moon,and then the Leo Dark Moon
ceremony was great as well.
I find Leo Energy extremelyempowering.
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I love it.
And so, yeah, feeling empoweredand excited, and I'm trusting
the universe and trusting thatthings will unfold as they
should, and that all will bewell.
And yeah, I can't wait to go onthe pilgrimage.
I can't wait to be in thatliminal, kairos time space.
I'm so looking forward to it.
So I've only got, that's a goodpoint, podcasts as well.
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I'd really like to try and carryon doing the podcast while I'm
on the pilgrimage, but it's justprobably not feasible.
I will attempt it.
I've got some microphones comingthrough and I have.
Learn to and done podcasts onthe road.
It is possible, and it'd be coolif I did do it but I might not
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be able to.
So we were like.
Set up expectations to be.
Maybe I could do them everyother week or something like
that, but we'll see.
We'll see how it goes because Idon't wanna spend all my time on
my phone and it does take a lotof time to do, but maybe I could
upload just an interview orsomething.
It might just be that it can'tbe quite as formatted and maybe
I could go back and format themlater when I'm at my computer.
(32:06):
But yeah, we'll see.
It is doable.
It's just I don't wanna spendall my time on my phone when I'm
walking.
But it would also be good tocapture stuff, so we'll see.
Yeah.
I'm gonna pull a room.
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If you enjoy this podcast, thenplease consider supporting me on
Patreon, which ispatreon.com/jolie Rays this.
Is a way for you to support thework that I'm doing.
So all of the things that I'mtrying to fund and support
happening at the moment would begreat.
If you were to become a monthlysupporter and patron of the
(32:58):
arts, that would be fantastic.
That's a way that you can helpme but also I will be.
Sharing about doing some sortof, I,'cause there's two
fundraising things that I, wellactually sort of three, three
fundraising things that I'd liketo do.
Uh, but one of them is in two.
So one of them is fundraising tocover bills for the pilgrimage,
(33:19):
but also to raise money forcharity.
Almost certainly Gaza.
Direction.
But I need to find out or figureout how, because I know things
aren't even getting through.
So I'd have to look into thebest way of doing that.
And then also I do need tofundraise and.
Develop the Kickstarter for mybook launch, but I need to fine
(33:45):
tune and get clear about exactlywhen the launch is happening.
But it, it is for getting thepre-sales, hopefully it'll be
for Christmas and to get thepre-sales from doing a
Kickstarter and then some fundsto just pay for an illustrator
to do the maps.
'cause I think it would be greatto have maps with the book.
But basically the book is done,which is exciting.
And uh, it's with Dan Sump, whoI interviewed on the podcast.
(34:07):
He's my publisher, so he's gonnalook through it.
I dunno whether he, it's, it'sus trying to fit in time-wise
when we can do things.
But, uh, watch this space.
So.
These are just heads up thatthey will be happening.
If you would be able to vote forthis podcast if you love it and
enjoy it, which I hope you do.
If you could go onto the podcastawards, there is a listeners
(34:30):
choice award.
You just type in nonsense in thechaos and then reply to the.
A confirmation email that getssent to you.
It's as easy as that.
So you just type in nonsense inthe chaos and it'll come up.
So if you could do that, thatwould be awesome.
I would thoroughly appreciatethat.
And then, yeah, just come andsee if you're at BoomTown, come
and see me.
I'll be doing the openingceremony on the lines gate
(34:51):
stage.
So.
We'll be blessing the crowd atthe start of the opening
ceremony.
So come along and see that.
Then come to our venue and bepart of the resistance and help
us design a better future.
And then I'll be at Kewell Hallin Suffolk in Long Melford the
week after BoomTown being atutor.
So if you live in East Angliaand you fancy coming along to
that and do come and say hello.
(35:12):
Then I'll be back in the ChannelIslands for two weeks, Vail
Earth Festival.
Just going along to enjoy that.
So I'll have a boogie with youif I see you there.
And then two months walkingacross the country.
And if you go onto career arts.
Instagram or Facebook, there's alist of the dates of where we're
walking and uh, if you'reanywhere along the Michael Line
(35:35):
walking from Cornwall to theNorfolk coast and you'd like us
to stop and perform for you, oryou'd like to host us or feed us
or just hang out and walk withus for a bit, get in touch.
It's all available.
It's all possible, and it'll belovely to see you.
So thank you so much.
And now on with the show.
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Oh, it's the fool.
So it's the blank room.
So the blank re, I think of asthe Fool, because it is like a
zero.
It's a round ruin with nothingon it.
So it's like the zero, which.
The fool is the top of the tarotdeck and is everything and
nothing.
It's the infinity symbolunfilled.
So the infinity symbol, as I'vetalked about in many other
(36:29):
podcasts, the out world'sInfinite, the inner world's
Infinite.
Then you've got this sphincterin the middle, which is your
ego, and that's whateverything's passing through.
So you are having thisexperience of a subjective
individual life, but really.
When you untwist and you becomeone with everything, like
children are like, toddlers arelike one is when you are really
in the moment and genius isriding you and you're fully in
(36:51):
the flow and something else iscoming through and your inner
and outer have become one world,then that is the fall and it's
trusting the unknown.
It's trusting the universe.
And that's what this wholejourney has been for me, for
life, is to just keep steppingoff that cliff into the unknown
and trusting it.
So whatever happens.
Trusting it.
And it's funny'cause it'sMercury retrograde at the moment
(37:11):
and it does make things gowrong.
Like, Starlink went down on thedark moon night and it went down
globally and I was like right inthe middle of doing the
intention setting ceremony forBoomTown and then had a dark
moon ceremony as well thatevening and that, so it was the
one night that really wasn'thelpful for it to go down and.
(37:34):
That's just Mercury retrograde,just, but you just gotta be
chill with it.
And again, like I was born on aSunday, I was born in a Mercury,
I was born in during Mercuryretrograde.
And I actually prefer that time.
And it's, I feel more akin toKairos time.
So there's Kronos, which ischronological time, which is
what we're all used to livingin.
It's patriarchal linear time.
And then kairos time is perfecttiming.
(37:56):
And that's when you just.
Don't bother thinking abouttime, and I'm trusting that,
that's, it feels like Mercuryretrograde for me, feels ROI and
it, and I feel more magicalwithin it.
And so.
Yes, I've got a million thingsthat I need to do before I go
away on either BoomTown orKewell or the pilgrimage, and
(38:18):
I'm trusting it, including goingand spending the day down in
durable because for some reasonit will all just fit together
and it'll fit in and it'll befine.
Whereas if I freak out about itand I try and, if I go into that
Kronos state or that stressed,nervous system, place regulated,
that was the word, anunregulated nervous system state
(38:39):
Then.
Everything will go wrong anyway,and I won't get stuff done.
But by being relaxed and beingregulated and trusting the
universe and trusting the flow,then everything will just click
together and I'll get as muchdone as I can.
But I'll be much more efficientand enjoy doing things I'm doing
rather than it be a stress.
I'm happy to be doing thispodcast.
I love doing these podcasts.
I don't want to be stressingabout it.
(39:01):
Oh, I've got such an awesomeinterview lined up.
So the interview next week isthe Seed Sisters who are my.
Dear Friends and Heroes, and Irecorded that.
So I'm gonna edit that and havethese uploaded so they come out
while I'm away.
And then I'll make some podcastswhile I'm away of BoomTown and
Kentwell, which I'll be veryexcited to share with you when I
get back.
(39:21):
So, yeah, I'm gonna put theprerecorded interview up at the
Sea Sisters.
Ah, they're so.
Cool.
They are two of the most coolpeople in the world and I adore
them, so I can't wait to sharethat with you.
Ah, it's gold.
And I'm really excited and Ilove the one with Ray as well.
I really enjoyed interviewingRay.
He's such a dude, so lots ofamazing things coming up and
(39:43):
interviewing people at Kentwell.
Looking forward to that.
So it's just.
It just trusting thateverything's gonna be great.
I'm about to have a lovely time.
It's all gonna be wonderful.
Things will fit into place andall will be well.
And it's just trusting that andpulling the full room is about
as good as it gets.
It's just saying yes, step offthat cliff into the unknown and
trust.
I had a wonderful moment oncewhere I my family get.
(40:08):
Are obsessed with cults likewe've joined loads of cults.
I've been in, I mean, I've been,my parents met at a cult that
was in the newspaper and stufffor being a cult, and the guy
who married them was in thenewspaper for being a cult
leader, but they were aChristian prayer group called
the Christian Crusaders.
So it wasn't, it wasn't a propercult like it really was.
I mean, none of the cults,actually, one of them is a
(40:28):
proper cult that I've been in.
But yeah, so that wasn't aproper cult.
And then people have oftencalled the Tudor thing, Kentwell
Hall, a cult.
Uh, the fools have often beenreferred to as a cult.
Our pilgrimage group startedseeming quite culty and then.
The one that was a proper onewas Landmark Forum, which, uh,
actually was a, you know, youpaid money and it was known for
(40:50):
being a cult.
And it got closed at one pointand then it changed its name and
became landmark Education.
It was called Forum before that.
But that I really enjoyed.
I got a lot out of it and Ididn't actually spend any money
on it.
My family, my parents paid forme to do it because they wanted
me to do it.
And I was like, well, if you'regonna pay for me to do it,
that's fine.
But, uh, yeah, we all got a lotout of it because we all share a
(41:11):
language now of a way of beingable to talk about proper
things.
You know, actually having thelanguage for emotions and the
emotional landscape is reallyuseful when you and your friends
and family.
All have the same vocab.
It's brilliant.
Uh, and because we did all doit, loads of us did it.
(41:33):
There was a whole group of usthat did it.
Friends as well as family.
We just are able to cut through.
You know, I'm, I can get amessage from my mom's boyfriend
who I've only met twice andthey've been together something
mental, like 18 years and.
He can say to me through my mom,oh, you are running a racket on
(41:53):
this person and he'll becompletely right and I'll get
what he's saying and that's allI need him to say.
And so he can help me and giveme advice and support.
L with just a sentence becausewe understand what each other's
talking about.
So I thorough enjoyed that.
But it was really hard to leavebecause it was all about being
enrolled.
And if you didn't enroll in thenext course or stay involved,
(42:15):
then it was always questioned asto whether you were blocking or
running a racket.
That was what they, they'd sayyou were running a racket on, on
the coal, on landmark education,so it was difficult to leave and
people would ring you up and tryand.
Engage you and enroll you,inspire you to stay in it.
So I.
(42:36):
Wanted to go to drama school.
And that's what I got from doingthe course was, oh yeah, I'm
gonna go to drama school.
That's what I'm gonna do.
And so when they then rang meup, I then enrolled them in the
idea of me going to dramaschool, which took up all my
time and was gonna take up allmy money.
And there was just no way that Icould do any courses whilst
doing that.
And I'd be doing it for twoyears and they.
Were inspired by it and theyagreed and they went, yeah.
(42:57):
All right then.
Yeah.
Okay.
I, yeah, that's, you are goingoff to live your dream.
So they let me go, which wasawesome.
But I was right in the middle ofa course when that happened and
it was quite a big, it was oneof the, it was quite far up the
pyramid scheme and I'd alreadybooked some, like the work, the,
like the weekend workshops thatwere part of this course, were
(43:17):
all over the world and so wewere meant to be going to Tel
Aviv at the time.
I never went there, which itwould've been interesting to
have done in light of everythingthat's gone on of late.
It would've been interesting tohave gone there.
Uh, so one of them was in TelAviv and one was in Amsterdam
and I had already booked thehotel and everything for that
weekend for Amsterdam.
(43:39):
So I went.
Anyway, uh, my family were thereas well.
My dad and mum were on the samecourse and were there.
They went and did the course andI went and had a lovely weekend
going to a film festival.
There was a documentary festivalrunning and I saw amazing
documentaries.
It was brilliant.
I really enjoyed the festivaland I went and saw the Van Gogh
Museum and just had a lovelytime.
(44:00):
But I met up with the coursepeople.
At a cafe and someone had thistarot deck that was a zen tarot
deck, and 12 people in a rowshuffled the cards and pulled
what was the fool card in thispack.
But the card was zen and it wasthis like.
(44:23):
Kind of Buddha who just foundenlightenment and was completely
zen and that was the zero cardin this particular tarot day.
And 12 people in a row from thiscourse pulled that card,
shuffling it and you know, doingeverything to make sure it
wasn't.
A trick or you know, because itwas being badly shuffled.
They, it was, people were doingit properly and 12 people in a
(44:44):
row pulled the card, the Zencard, and then it got handed to
me and I could feel everyone'sexpectation that I wasn't gonna
pull it.
And I blooming, pulled it and itwas like one of those drop the
mic moments.
I was like, yep, and I'm gonnaleave.
And it's.
Fine that I'm leaving and I'mfully in the same zone as you,
but I'm gonna go off and dodrama school instead.
(45:05):
And that's how I managed to getout of the cult.
But that's how I feel about.
Just the, yeah, trusting theunknown and what the full card
means is, it's such a powerfulcard.
It really is.
Let everything go, just trustthe process.
Trust it, and I love it whensynchronicities and magic
(45:25):
happen.
It just feels wonderful, whetherit's, whether it means anything,
whether it's in any way, Wawa, Idon't care.
It just makes life exciting and.
Gives you a good story like thatone and makes you feel like
you're doing the right thing,makes your nervous system feel
regulated and just feels likeyou're in the right place and
you're doing the right thing.
(45:46):
So pulling that, having justsaid all the things I've said
and what we're planning to doand what's going on, and
trusting that all will be well,like it doesn't mean that I'll
get the funding bid, it doesn'tmean the costumes will arrive
safely, but whatever does happento trust it and just go with it.
And so that brings us onto theChaos Crusade.
(46:14):
For the Chaos Crusade this week,I invite you to follow signs and
omens for a day.
So intentionally from the momentyou wake up to when you go to
bed, follow the signs.
Follow the messages that arecoming through and.
You know, if, if it's tellingyou to take a day off or telling
(46:35):
you to walk a different route'cause you see a bird land or
just, you know, if you hearsomething on the radio or you
see a number that meanssomething to you to follow it,
to see where that might leadyou's, to really look for the
messages that are coming throughfrom the universe.
It's all, you know, I'm notsaying that it's true or that
it's literally happening, butjust to see what happens to your
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day.
When you spend a day doing thatfollowing signs that means
something to you, like yourfavorite color or music that you
like or whatever it is, justspend a day following the signs
and I'd love to hear whathappens.
So please get in touch and shareif you do do it.
And something interesting occursbecause I find that it does.
(47:19):
And it is because we are meaningmaking machines, which is a
landscape, a landmark term thatwe are meaning making machines,
but we are meaning makingmachines and that's part of what
we are as humans.
And we look for patterns.
And so we will find things andthey will excite and tantalize
(47:40):
us and trigger imagination andtrigger.
Emotions.
And that's the lovely thing.
So when you are not doing this,you just sort of end up with
blinkers and you are distractedand you are not being present.
So that's the main thing I thinkthat happens when you are
following signs and you arebeing led by the universe and
you are letting that happen, isthat you are a lot more present.
(48:03):
And when you, you're morepresent, you are more in tune,
you are more ninja.
Like you're just more in theflow and.
And I do think it helps regulateyour nervous system.
'cause when you're not doingthat, you are in your head and
you're in your thoughts andthat's when you tend to hit
yourself up and get heady aboutthings and worry.
Worrying about a problem is liketrying to solve an algebra
(48:27):
equation by chewing bubble gumas the great sunscreen song
says, ma Lemons, uh, wearsunscreen My Bible song.
Yeah.
Why be in your head and worryabout things when you can be
present, follow the signs,follow the omens, and trust the
universe and have a game of,let's see what's going on.
(48:49):
By being actually fully here,the power of now, which is what
the theme of BoomTown is thisyear.
The power of now I, I am, I aminspired by what's going on.
It's just, I just feel like,yeah, I felt like something
could have happened more thanwhat.
Is happening.
But you know, it's no disrespectI love Beam Town, I love
(49:10):
everything they do.
It's a wonderful thing.
But I, yeah, I was a bitdisappointed and gonna do
something about it.
Gonna go as will probablyeverybody else, you know, it'll
still turn into something epic.
But yeah, I just.
Wanted to see something a bitmore, uh, flipping the script
and mind bending happen.
(49:30):
I was expecting something a bitmore mind bending.
So let's do it ourselves.
If it's not the script you wantand it's not as mind bending as
you'd like it to be, then it'syour job to make it.
So, and that is what we're gonnado.
So thank you so much for beinghere and I really hope that you
are inspired to flip the scriptand.
(49:52):
Pump things up yourself.
This Leo energy is ferocious andfantastic.
I love it.
So use that rocket up your bumto do something mega over the
next six months.
'cause the Leo Dar moon connectsto the Leo full moon, which is
in the other end of the year,the other half of the year.
So six months from now.
So this what you're setting now,the intentions and the direction
(50:16):
that you're setting now is atrajectory that.
We'll drive you forwards for thenext six months.
So let's, let's fucking smashsome shit up and do some madness
and cover it in glitter and allthe other things.
Let's step off that cliff intothe unknown and create something
mega.
(50:36):
Huge, huge love to you.
I can't wait to share nextweek's episode with you, and
then I can't wait to share whathappens on the adventures into
the unknown and into these madspaces.
We'll see what happens.
I'm sure it's gonna be bloodymarvelous.
So until next time, see theanon.
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