August 15, 2025 • 50 mins
In this episode, I’m speaking from the heart about my fight for fairness and equality—not just in politics or policy, but in everyday life. I talk about what it means to stand up when it’s uncomfortable, to challenge systems that are built to exclude, and to keep showing up even when the odds feel stacked.
I also explore how easy it is to be blind to our own privilege, and how real change starts when we’re willing to examine the power we hold. And yes, I even make a case for tax. I believe paying tax is a good thing, a sign that we care about each other, that we believe in services, support, and shared responsibility.
This episode is a rallying cry for those who still believe in building a fairer world, one small, stubborn act at a time.
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The.
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Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host, Jaylie Rose.
So I'm recording this podcast inthe future.
No past, sorry.
It's gonna be listened to in thefuture.
I'm recording it in the pastbecause I'm going away to
BoomTown for a week, and thenI'm going to live in the 16th
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century for a week, and thenI'll be back.
And then I've got some reallyexciting people lined up for
when I get back, but I've hadto.
Prerecord these so that I didn'tmiss a week speaking with you,
which I didn't want to do.
And because yeah, just, I, Idon't think I, I did order, I
ordered some microphones to takewith me.
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Um, hopefully they will turn upin time.
I'm hoping they haven't turnedup yet, but I will take them
with me and I will record whileI'm away as well.
So you will get.
The BoomTown load down and the16th century interviews, I'll,
I'm so looking forward tointerviewing people at Kentwell
again'cause they're all sofascinating.
So that will happen.
But in the meantime, I willupload these and then I know
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that these are in place and Ican do it in a relaxed manner
rather than trying to figure outhow to upload and put in the
podcast from.
The 16th century.
I did do it last year, so I knowit's possible, but it wasn't
easy and it just takes you outthe moment a little bit.
I do.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure outwhat I'm gonna do when I'm on
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the pilgrimages on thepilgrimage.
But it's weeks, the weeks thatI'm on the pilgrimage because
yeah, I would like to, like Ithink if I have a break for
creation hibernation in January,February, that works.
But then how do I carry on doingthe podcast while I'm away on
pilgrimage?
It's a bit tricky.
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So maybe I'll have to have abreak then as well.
It's not ideal but you know.
Sometimes these things have tohappen and part of what also has
to happen is I'll be away and itmeans I'm not in the government
meetings.
And we just had a discussionabout that'cause someone was
questioning whether that'sallowed.
Because we did have a.
A thing passed where if you missmore than three me meetings sort
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of unauthorized, that you can betaken out of the committee.
And someone was flagging that upwith me being away.
But as I said at the time of usmaking that rule, and before I
joined Chief Police that theseare.
Work, like the dates that I'maway are for things that I go
and do for work.
And I was doing them before Ijoined chiefly.
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So when I was asked to join it,I was, I explained clearly that
I already had these commitmentsand those commitments will
always be there and I know whatthey are and I can give the
dates every year.
And yeah, so it's just, uh,'cause someone's new and they
were questioning it and it'sfair enough, but at the same
time it's like, I've always donethis, this is what I do and uh,
I can't.
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I can't do chief police if youdon't if this isn't possible for
me to do it.
I had an interesting yeah,interesting meeting today with
Chief Police because when thispodcast comes out, it will be
just after the Aquarius fullMoon.
And I think that's a veryinteresting moon.
I think it's going to be.
Extremely interesting, and I'mnot here recording it at the
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time of it, but I reckon somebig stuff's gonna happen because
Pluto is in Aquarius at themoment, and Pluto is the.
The game changer.
It's like the furthest out ofthe planets I obviously argue.
And, uh, one could argue thatit's not a planet which I fully
appreciate, although I, I likeit being a planet.
I'm, I'm sticking with it beinga planet personally.
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But it's the slowest moving,furthest out planet in the
astrology whatever the word is,system and.
It's the planet of life changingearth societal movements, like
the big changing movements.
So an Aquarius is the sign ofentrepreneurialship innovation,
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like mad ideas, communication,crazy, like out there thinking
like it's the most out there ofthe star science, but not in a
like wacky way in a.
I don't sort of, Elon Musk, I, Idunno what his thought sign is,
but I would assume that he wouldhave a lot of Aquarius in his
chart.
Just for the, yeah, just the outthere thinking, you know,
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thinking way beyond thelimitations of, of the everyday
world and, you know, and Iobviously I've got a lot of
issues with him, but I, I canappreciate that about him that
he does think wide.
I'm a wide thinker as well, andI.
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It just like the last time Plutowas in Aquarius, there were lots
of revolutions and things.
So yeah, I just think it'sinteresting because I've said
this now, uh, in a couple ofpodcasts that I've always given
the sort of proviso of myastrology following that I don't
particularly believe in it.
I just follow it and it's usefulprompts and I find it an
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interesting model to, to followtoo.
Examine my inner world and alsothe reflections of the seasons
and just being more, I dunno,paying more attention to the
outer world really as well,because it made me be able to be
astro an astronomer or an astroguide at the observatory that
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was off the back of me learningastrology, which has only been
since 2020.
So I, before 2020, I wasabsolutely adamant that it was
all nonsense and uh, it wasreally, anti it.
I was, I was a staunch.
Cynic and then critic.
And then, I dunno, somethinghappened in 2020 where I just
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was like, do you know what thisall feels like?
It's more, it's harder workdenying it than it is to let it
in.
And I already knew quite a bitabout it just because it's very
prevalent in the tutor world.
And obviously having lived as atutor for 36 years, I was like.
It was part of my reality tosome extent in that way and that
was kind of part of the reasonwhy I was interested because it
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was like, well actually I don'tunderstand this system that I'm
sort of meant to, or that reallyI should know about because it
should be part of my reality asa tutor.
So, you know, in terms of my.
Character and my, my t reality,I should know about it.
But also just as a person, likeas a writer.
As an artist, you know, this ismy part of the mythology.
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I know about Christianmythology.
I would call that mythology'cause I'm an atheist.
I don't believe in I don't, Imean, I say I don't believe in
God.
I don't believe in anyreligious.
Prescribed God.
But I am a theist in that Ibelieve in the kernel of truth
and divine beauty at the core ofeach religion.
But I don't believe in anyreligion.
Probably Buddhism's the closestto something I believe.
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But actually when you look atBuddhism properly, it's a whole
religious thing that I don'tbelieve in.
I just very much agree with thephilosophies.
I feel like they've hit the nailon the head there.
But, um, you know, all roadslead to the same city and all
that, I wouldn't say I don'tbelieve in God, but I also.
Think that what we call God, orwhat I call God, it, which I
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call universe, what I call theuniverse, could be a computer
game, could be a simulation,could be a dream, could be a
bubble in a, a glass of soda.
Like I, I dunno what that thingis, but that thing is what I
call everything.
And that everything seems tohave a thing going on.
Like it's a computer game orwhatever.
It's a thing.
Um, within that thing, we areall one and that, that it's all
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connected.
And within that are all thestories and the myths, and the
legends and the metaphors and,and that's woven our reality
together.
And so I think all of it'simportant to know about.
I'm interested in all of it.
I'm interested in flat earthers.
I'm interested in.
Every type of religion I'minterested in.
Serial killers.
I'm interested in.
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I, I feel like I'm starting tosound like Bjork.
Uh, there's a really funny memeof Bjork going.
I like, I dunno why she, she waslike, I like estate ages, I like
critics.
I like Candy Floss.
She's so funny.
I love her.
If I could meet anyone, uh, itwould be Bjork.
I love Bjork.
She's such a ledge.
But yeah, I'm just, I feel likeeverything's in our reality.
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So there's something, just outof curiosity, I'm interested in
all of it but also with what Iwas getting round to saying is
having now followed astrology,it does blow my mind and it is
part probably, I'm happy to gowith the scientific explanation
that we're pattern findingcreatures.
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So is, we'll find the meaning inthings.
We are meaning making machines,and we'll find the meaning in
things.
But I do find that each darkmoon or no, each dark and full
moon.
The sign that the moon is inseems to be coming up in the
things that are happening inreality.
You know, my friend Sophia diedwith the Scorpio full moon and
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Dark Moon.
No, full moon.
Yeah.
Scorpio full moon.
She died with the Scorpio fullmoon, as did loads of other
people have people die then.
And so we had a very beautifulgrief sharing ceremony for that
forming ceremony.
And it's the same with, yeah,just, I dunno, it just seems to
be every moon, it feels likeit's relevant, the things that
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are coming up.
And I find that, I just findthat really interesting.
Like the Leo Dark Moon that wejust had was amazing and that
was very much about.
Being in your power and being inyour sovereignty and, and that
felt like that was coming up ineverything that was happening
around me and us sitting in oursovereignty and being powerful
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and strong and, taking ownershipof reality and what's going on
in the world.
And yeah, I just feel like thisAquarius full Moon with
everything that's going on atthe moment.
Things feel volatile, feel, Ithink things, I spoke to my
friend yesterday who's over,who's in the Metropolitan
Police.
So she grew up here and she nowlives in London and is in the
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Met, the Met Police.
And I was like, how's it goingover there?
How's it going over on the big,big rock?
And she said I think there'sgonna be a really big riot.
Soon.
She said, there's two, twogroups of people that think very
differently and I think there'sgonna be a huge riot soon.
And I said, yeah that's kind ofwhat I was angling at.
I, yeah, I'm picking up on thatas well.
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I, I think you might be right.
Yeah, probably.
I dunno, I'm just putting myhead in my bet here.
Obviously I'm in the past, so Idunno what's gonna happen in the
future, but if I was gonna putmy money on a.
Time where that might kick off.
Then the Aquarius Full Moon iskind of a, yeah.
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Got my money on it.
So I've just been in agovernment meeting today talking
about tax, which is veryinteresting because it just
brought up so much stuff about,oh God, first, I'd say
overwhelmingly.
Money is so personal.
I'm finding money sointeresting.
I think I'm enjoying it now.
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I'm enjoying this conversation,this journey, this exploration
into money, listening to theseamazing books.
I think I've told you already.
Um, money by David McWilliamsand the material world is
brilliant.
Our material world is so good.
They both are, they're bothreally good.
Just in terms of, um, thinkingabout the world differently, I
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find it fascinating.
I love thinking about the worlddifferently because I just,
yeah.
I mean, it's like I loved, um,disability arts, like the
disabled arts.
There was a huge, increase infunding for disability arts
after the Paralympics in the UKbecause there was that amazing
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opening ceremony and there werelots of incredible disabled
artists that were part of thatopening ceremony.
And off the back of that, theycreated this initiative called
Unlimited, where you gotfunding, disabled artists were
able to get funding to creatework.
And there was a lot of supportand mentoring and it was just,
it was brilliant.
And the work that came out was.
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Off.
I just absolutely mind, mindblowing because you saw things
from a completely differentperspective.
You know, from, the thing I loveabout art is when you are
surprised by the way thatsomeone looks at the world
completely differently, youknow, like the, um.
Impressionists when theysuddenly stopped painting things
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realistically and painted themin this completely well and
abstract as well.
Ab, uh, abstract, I dunno whatthey're call it, abstractionist,
um, abstract art andimpressionist art where it just.
Suddenly looked at the worlddifferently and through this
different lens and how, shockingand confronting and mind
melting, that would've all beenat the time.
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And then how we felt with, Ithink, deep dream when that came
out.
And then seeing AI and what thatdoes and us seeing the world
from this different perspectiveand just looking at the world
through.
The perspective of a disabledperson was so exciting because,
most things in the arts you'veseen already.
Now you've seen and done andbeen there and, and to suddenly
be looking at the world from,you know, there's a amazing
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photo series of a, a woman goingdeep sea diving and all these
diving photos, but she's in herwheelchair and she went Dixie
diving with her.
Wheelchair and these images werejust so cool.
There's the person in theirwheelchair diving in the sea,
just yeah, really cool images.
And then my friend Jess Tom, whocreated a charity called
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Tourette's Hero, where theycelebrated Tourette Syndrome as
a superpower, random wordgenerating superpower.
And she wore a superhero outfitand would go around and connect
with and work with.
Young, just helping young peoplefind their power in their
Tourettes, you know, and it notjust be something that's
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something they're having to livewith, that they're a sufferer
like that.
It's not something you'resuffering.
It's actually a, you know, aunique, incredible.
A different way of living andbeing.
And it's that the world needs tochange and accommodate, not you,
which is absolutely, totallytrue and valid.
And, and that's how I feel abouteverything.
It's like you don't choose to beborn.
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And however we're born isabsolutely perfect.
We are perfect.
Whole and complete.
Every single one of us isperfect, whole and complete.
And if the world is in any waysaying you are not, that's the
world's problem, not yours.
And so the world needs to bechanged to work so that you are.
Held, supported, looked after,given your basic needs, your
basic needs are met.
You know, the way things aredesigned are designed to support
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you and help you.
That you, you can get around ina wheelchair or you can go to
live events, even if you've gotTourette syndrome and that
people are, educated and trainedto understand and meet your
needs as someone with Touretterather than ushering you out or
shushing you or whatever.
All of that I absolutely love.
I find it so interesting and Ijust, yeah, I just think this
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Aquarius energy is going to bemaking us see the world
differently and look at thingsin a completely different way
and yeah.
Uh, just.
Yeah, I, uh, looking at tax andmoney and the material world
through these books has justbeen so interesting and like
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lifting the veil.
And it was interesting alsointerviewing Ray and him talking
about the truth behind thelanguage we use, that we are
veiling, there's all these,there's all these hidden
realities that are more realthan the reality we think we
live in.
that's what this material worldbook is about.
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There's the.
Actual reality and the companiesand the materials that we've not
heard of, that, that, thatactually make the world go
round.
And if any of them cease toexist, then we would be
absolutely sced like, and thatit's just mad.
Like we don't, we are just, andwe are not thinking about it,
and we're not talking about it,and we are not aware of it, and
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it's not measured in ourcountry's GGDP.
Then talking about money and taxtoday, it's so emotional is the
first thing.
And that also people are so outof touch or dilu deluded, I
think is the word.
Deluded.
Oh God.
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There was some things said thisevening that were shocking.
That were shocking.
Yeah, that mate that revealed somuch about how.
People with money view peoplewithout money.
In a nutshell, what.
The sweeping statement that wasjust used is that the amount
that these people are paying ontax, they would spend in a bar
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of an evening.
For a start, 500 quid.
I dunno, anyone other thanwealthy people who spend 500
quid in a bar in an evening andalso 500 pounds might not seem
like much to them, although theygot upset when I said that.
They were like, it does seemlike, I'm like, well, I'm sure
it does seem like a lot to youbecause.
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You're balking over paying, acouple of grand tax but 500
pounds to someone who earns 12pound an hour, who can't put
money aside each week to pay forthe tax at the end of the year
because they haven't got enoughmoney to do that.
And so at the end of the year,have to, after Christmas,
suddenly find 500 pounds.
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And in the UK if you earn under12 and a half grand, you don't
pay.
Tax, but you also you only, youdon't technically have to pay
your national insurance and ifit's under six and a half grand,
but you pay you just pay yournational insurance, that's 179
pounds.
We are paying over double herein SARC and we don't get
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national healthcare and we don'tget the benefit system and we
don't get a state pension.
So we are paying double theamount of tax.
If you are under, if you areearning under, like, if you're a
low earner, I mean.
Only under like 20 grand a year,you're not paying tax in the uk.
So you are paying your nationalinsurance contributions and then
you get all those benefits, buthere you are paying twice as
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much money and you're notgetting any of those benefits.
So it, it's not a tax haven forlow earners.
But if you are.
You could be a millionaire, youcould be a multimillionaire and
your partner pays the roof taxand then therefore you are able
to pay the minimum tax.
'Cause you haven't declared yourassets and you are paying 500
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and it's like 500 and I can'tremember what, it's 79 pounds or
something like that.
So you've got.
People who are multimillionairespaying the same as people on 12
pound an hour and they're doingvery well out of it.
And yeah, they, they're thensaying, well, 500 pounds is a
lot of money.
No shit.
But it's not the same kind oflot of money to you as it is to
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me, my darling.
Ah, just shocking.
It was just suggested that wasspent in a bar of an evening and
then it was also suggested thatlike 500 pounds is nothing and
that they can easily pay that.
And I was just like, mate, youreally dunno what you're talking
about.
And it, yeah, I just, there wasso many.
Diversions that are being madeby people to go, oh, it's, oh
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yeah.
I mean, God, the amount of stuffthat's been happening recently,
it's mad.
Like I met someone recently whois best mates with Nigel Fraud
apparently.
And, um, showed me his reformmembers card, uh, membership
card, and said that he might belike Nigel's trying to encourage
him to stand.
And I just had a conversationwith him about.
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You know, immigration.
And I was like, well, but,because his point was, you know,
because anyone can turn up toEngland and just get free
healthcare like anyone.
And I was like, yeah, isn't thatamazing?
Isn't that amazing?
I feel like, oh God, it'd be sogood if we had that here.
Like I really miss having theN-H-S-I-I cannot.
Stress enough how lucky peoplein England are to have the NHS,
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it is unbelievable that we getcared for free.
It's amazing.
And I can kind of see fromhaving been on the medical
committee here in SOC and beingaware of how expensive medicine
it is and how crazy the, thenumbers are.
I mean, the numbers arebasically bankruptcy for the
number of people that live inthe uk.
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We can't afford it.
We can't really afford it.
Uh, but I also don't ever wantit to go, but yeah, we can't
afford it on the scale thatwe're at in soc, so I dunno how
they're managing.
Yeah, it's a lot.
Anyway, I can appreciate that.
I can actually appreciate fromthat perspective that it's a
huge amount of money that we'retalking about and.
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But what I was saying to him is,isn't it amazing that we have
that in the uk and wouldn't itbe great if we had that
everywhere?
Shouldn't it be that we shouldbe rather than like trying to
stop?
Some people using the freehealthcare in our country, we
should be trying to encourageeverywhere in the world to have
free healthcare.
That should just be a, you know,it's a basic human need.
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And part of the reason why itcosts so much money everywhere
is with pharmaceutical companiesare making, it costs so much
money.
It's not necessarily actuallythe cost price of making said
things.
They will just get completelyplumped up and it's, uh.
It's outrageous.
You know, there's that manyfilms and documentaries and
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things made about that, that wecan, you can go back and look
at.
But and then I also, and then Isaid to him, you know, and the
people that come over.
Are either from war torn placeswhere we've normally had some
hand in why that country's beenat war often because they've got
resources that we want.
And while we are there doingthat and we are interfering with
their politics and their landand their governance, and we're
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land grabbing and resourcegrabbing as we go, we are always
saying to them, oh, we love youover in England.
We love you.
No, we are the good guys.
We we're so on your side.
We're totally on your side.
Yeah, no, we love you.
We love you.
And so they think that we aretheir friends and that.
We are a safe place to flee towhen they need to.
And so it is perfectlyreasonable that they come
heading towards us because wehave literally been telling them
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that we are on their side.
So that's one group ofimmigrants.
And then another group ofimmigrants are people fleeing
from the equator, which isspreading The width of
uninhabitable land is spreadingbecause of us in the west.
Creating global warming andusing all the resources, which
means that we're making theworld hotter, which means that
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the land for people to be ableto live on and farm and, and be
sustained.
No one ever wants to leave theirhome.
No one wants to leave theirhome.
If people are leaving theirhome, it's because it's that
bad.
Think how much it would take foryou to go, right, unless you
know you don't really like whereyou live and you would rather go
live in south of France orwhatever.
If you are happy where you liveand.
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It and you have the means to beable to live elsewhere.
Imagine what it would take foryou to be able to, to what it
would take for you to giveeverything up to grab a handful
of belongings and leave yourhouse.
I mean, I was thinking it todayand also like listening today to
this, um, podcast about the.
Occupation in France and how allthe Parisians, the Parisians
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flee, had to flee Paris.
And this is in living history.
You know, this is, this is thesecond World War.
Parisians had to flee Paris andHead South, and they had to
literally just grab what theycould.
90,000 children went missingbecause they were just being
handed to like cars going by.
Just saying, please take them,save them, get them, get them
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away from here.
And they all went missing.
The Red Cross had to try andlike put them back with their
families and yeah, 90,000children disappeared and went
missing during that time.
And just what it would take.
That's, that's Parisians.
There's like a load of peoplehanging out in Paris right now,
suddenly having to flee south inFrance.
It's in their own country.
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But everything run out.
Like people couldn't put anyoneelse up.
People, they, no food had runout.
You know, some more and morepeople were having to go south
because things had run outfurther north and.
That's really recent and it'sjust, I just, it's the
inhumanity of it that whenpeople are in need and people
are in need, because we've putthem in that position, it is 99%
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of immigration is gonna be fromcolonialism, from war and
resource grabbing or fromenvironmental.
Like collapse and we are toblame for all of that.
And then he went, yeah, but whatabout the um, Albanians?
And I was like, yeah, buteveryone really likes cocaine.
If they weren't selling cocainethen they wouldn't be a problem.
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But the only reason why it'sworking is because everyone's
buying the cocaine.
And he did actually laugh atthat.
And it is funny'cause it's likeI'm having these conversations
with people that I would nevermeet.
None of these conversationswould've happened to me in
Brighton because we justwould've all been on the same
page talking about the samething, supporting each other.
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This is a completely mad realitythat I'm now living in, where
I'm sitting with and talking topeople with three houses and
three jurisdictions paying threetax bills, and who hiring about
having to pay some tax here.
Saying, oh, like using the wordswhere's, I think it was
something like, where's thehumanity?
Or is there No, oh, what wasthat Mercy like?
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I'm like, are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
I've just explained how we arepaying.
More tax here than I did.
You know, I'm paying more taxhere than I did in the uk and
I'm not, I'm not complainingabout it.
I'm not saying reduce my taxbill.
I'm just saying you can't keepputting the tax up for everyone
because this is alreadycompletely ridiculous for, for
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the low earners.
It's already completely grosslyunfair for low earners.
People will just leave.
Like, I mean, I'm, I'm veryaware of, uh.
The costs that, like, for me,I'm feeling that it, it's, it
outweighs by living here becauseI'm away from all the madness of
what's going on, which is, I'dsay probably, um, after Dizzle,
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like dizzle the leading.
If I wasn't with Dizz, then I,there have been moments where I
almost certainly would've leftit here by now.
I'm glad that didn't happenbecause.
I've learned so much throughgoing through those sticky
periods and I've, I've learnedso much about myself and.
Yeah.
I'm glad I've gone through thosesticky periods and I'm glad that
I was in a position where I wasin love with someone who wasn't
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gonna come with me.
He's never leaving here.
And so, uh, forced me to workthrough those situations and
deal with them.
And yeah, like I've said before,wearing big girl pants is a, is
part of my everyday life herenow.
But I like that.
I like that.
I've learned to do that.
And I've, I like how.
How much it's made me facethings like this conversation
I'm having now.
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This is, a bit scary.
It's a bit sticking my neck onthe line.
It's a bit whatever, but it'slike it's gotta be done.
Like we've gotta start havingthese conversations because they
need to be had the problem.
Yeah, the problem is people arepeople.
I like people and that's one ofthe things that I really love.
About here is that I keeplearning how normal everybody
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is.
Everyone is just everybody.
There's nothing special aboutrich people.
They're not different.
They're just normal everydaypeople who do silly things, who
say silly things.
Some of them are smart.
I mean, they're quite oftenquite smart because they've had
good education, but they're notthat, it's not like, oh my God,
you are all just geniuses.
Or you have some divinesomething or other, you're just
normal everyday people.
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You've had a good education andyou feel like you deserve what
you've got because you've beenbrought up to believe that
you've got that privilege.
And so you feel like you, um, myfriend was sleeping with someone
once where.
He'd gone to Eaton and um, andhe was like, yeah, I was thought
of going for, pm but then Idecided to become a film
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director and she went PM And hewas like, yeah, you know, and
she was like.
What do you mean?
PM And he went, oh, a PrimeMinister.
It's like, oh, I was thinking ofgoing for Prime Minister or
becoming a film director.
It's like, yeah, that's notsomething that I, neither of
those options are something thatI just thought about when I was
at Ali Con High School infucking Essex.
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It's just a completelydifferent.
Upbringing and reality, and it'sjust a lottery, you know?
And people are just normalpeople.
And I like that.
I like that we are all the sameand we are all normal.
And I love that.
And I love that I've, I mean, I,I knew that, you know, like, I'm
sure you'll be listening to thatgoing Yeah, I do know that.
But how many really rich people,but like millionaires,
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multimillionaires, billionaires,royal family, have you actually
hung out with?
Because until I moved here, myanswer was pretty zero.
I might have slightly brushedpast some.
Ah, slightly, you know, prettywealthy people, but not like the
levels that I'm, and, and, and,uh, not only am I like living in
src, it's like a giant sharedhouse.
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So it's not just like you'reseeing them in a pub where you,
you met them at someone'swedding or something like that.
I literally watch them stumblinghome drunk or I, I see them
eating or I, I.
Experience how they treat staff,who I know, like we all know, we
all talk about, you know, how weget treated or what people are
like.
Um, we've, people went through apandemic together, you know, so
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we've seen, you know, and we areteaching their children and
blah, blah, blah.
So yeah, there's, it is morelike we're in a shared house and
it's a, a big family.
So the exposure's reallydifferent.
It's a really, like behind thescenes, you know, curlers in
dressing, gown on kind of viberather than a sort of out, out,
somewhere fancy or at an eventkind of thing, which is where
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possibly would've met people inthe past.
But yeah, the thing thateverything keeps coming back for
me is that.
Privilege and wealth is theissue.
Like the only enemy in thisworld is the divide, the
financial divide, and the justthe absolute blindness that
privilege.
Unfortunately gives to you,which means that you don't see
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the rumblings of the discontent.
But they are really good atdistracting the discontent by
making the discontented point ateach other.
And that's what immigration'sall about.
That's what all of this fascismrise is all about, is people
being screwed over by a group ofpeople and the group of people
who are doing the screwing overgoing, no, it's the guy next to
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you.
And he is like literally theoldest trick in the book.
Yeah.
And the thing is, what I canalso tell you from being in and
amongst these people is thatthey're not happy.
It doesn't bring you happiness.
This graspy klepto maniahoarding is not a healthy state
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of being to be in.
It's not happy.
No, I haven't met a singlewealthy person yet where I'm
like, oh, that's.
That's the dream.
You know, like they're allgetting surgery, they're not
happy with how they look.
They're doing weird back stabbythings.
They've like blackmailing eachother.
They've got dirt on each other.
They're angry.
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It's just like.
It's not, you're not happy.
Like I'm, I'm not watchinganyone going, God, look at all
the incredible things they'redoing.
Look at all the incrediblethings they're doing with their
lives, and they're, and they'rejust so at peace and yeah, the
people I know who are like thatare not any of these wealthy
people.
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So that's my, uh, yeah, I justfeel like this Aquarius will
mean something's gonna happenand I'm.
I am just ready for it.
Yeah, I'm very excited aboutwhat's gonna happen at BoomTown
and what will come out of this,uh, this exciting plan that we
have which I talked about in mylast solo podcast.
(32:55):
So go back and listen to that.
And here we're up to, but yeah,I just, it feels like it's all
gonna spill out and that's allgonna be happening over the
Aquarius full Moon, which isjust perfect.
So let's, yeah.
It's flipping.
Um.
Change things up and I don't, Inever am meaning this in a
violent way.
I, violent revolutions don'ttend to work out well.
Yeah.
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It's more of a revolution of themind and the heart and just
having conversations aboutwhat's going on.
I think we need to stop beingscared.
I mean, I am scared, definitelyscared.
I'll put my hands up and say I'mscared, but, it is just a ride.
Hey, it's just a ride.
As Bill Hicks says, I'm going topull Aroon.
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If you enjoy this podcast, thenplease consider supporting me on
Patreon, which ispatreon.com/joly.
Rose.
I still haven't set up acrowdfunder for the pilgrimage.
If I do do that, I'll be doingit when I get back.
I probably do need to do it forthe start of August, which at
the time of recording this isliterally in a day or two time.
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I've got a lot of things to dobefore I go away.
I'll see.
I'll have to have a think aboutit.
But yes, the best way to supportme would be supporting me
through Patreon, because that'sjust a.
Solid.
I'm supporting you.
Whatever you do, I'm just hereto support you as an artist.
Uh, it's a thank you for thepodcast.
It's a thank you for the moonceremonies.
It's a, yeah, go do thepilgrimage.
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Yeah, go do BoomTown.
Yeah, go do these things and I'mjust gonna help you out as much
as I can.
Uh, there's two tears.
It's three pound a month forthe, like, just.
Pat on the back which I reallyappreciate.
And nine pound a month to seethe videos.
Uh, so you can watch who I'mchatting with.
And yeah, see the interviewstake place, which is always fun.
And everything else I put outfor free.
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You know, I do the articles andthe ceremonies and the readings
and things that I do, I do, youknow, online for free so
everyone can have them and getto experience them.
And if you can't afford tosupport me on Patreon, then you
just.
Enjoy them for free, which is anice, it's there for you.
So I hope you're having youknow, enjoying it.
But also really great if youcould tell people about it and
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like.
You know, share the moonceremony, share the podcast,
whatever it is that you areconsuming and you enjoy.
If you are up for it and youlike this podcast, then please
vote for it in the Listeners'Choice Awards in the British
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So yeah, go over to the BritishPodcast Awards.
You literally type in nonsensein the chaos in the listener's
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you just say, reply to theconfirmation email.
And then that will go throughand it would be great if you did
do that.
I would really appreciate it.
That would be amazing.
So that's something you can do.
And yeah.
Otherwise just enjoy.
Uh, I will, currently, when thispodcast comes out, I will be at
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Kenmore Hall.
I'll been at BoomTown already.
Um, I'll soon be coming back andthen I'll be going on the
pilgrimages.
Uh, I keep saying that thepilgrimage across the uk, uh,
which will be for the whole ofSeptember and October, and if
you.
Would like to find out wherewe'll be and are interested in
hosting a performance of Georgeand the Dragon Mama's play, or
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maybe coming and walking for aday or two, or just generally
following what we're doing.
Then you can follow it at careerarts at Instagram and Facebook.
So that's K-R-I-Y-A-A-R-T-S.
And then yeah, if you go on to.
Either of them.
It's got the dates on there as apost and just see where we are
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and see if we might be passingyour neck of the woods.
But yeah, otherwise on with theshow.
Interesting.
Be strong Raz.
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This room.
I might, well have talked aboutthis before.
I think I have, I think I havepulled this one before.
It's the room that.
Meant the least to me for yearsuntil 2023.
Because in 2023, this was thelast room that I pulled for the
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last pilgrimage.
And it seemed weird that thiswas the culmination of that four
years of walking because theywere big, you know, four, 500
mile walks across the length andbreadth of the UK in, in each of
the directions.
To end it with this room, bestrong Strength was like, oh,
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and then when I actuallyfinished that walk, I was so, so
strong.
And it wasn't just physical, itwas an inner strength.
I felt like Wonder Woman, I feltlike a tree trunk.
I was balanced.
My masculine and feminine andall my aspects felt balanced.
I felt one, I felt at peace withdeath.
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I felt.
Calm and agile and fit, and mybody was all pain-free and at
ease.
And I just felt so strong and I,I came away from that being
like, that's what strength feelslike.
That's what real strength is, iswhere you are just in your
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power, like 100% in your power.
And yeah, I felt like asuperhero and it was amazing.
And that is what.
The Leo Dart man that we justwere in was about finding and
sitting in is your sovereignty,sitting in your sovereignty and
really feeling how powerful andstrong you are.
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And I think that is key at themoment.
We need to tune into ourstrength because the world is
definitely trying to train youto feel scared.
And it, it is all made up andthat's why I keep coming back to
you.
You know, all of these realitiesthat we dip into and look into
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that I find fascinating and thatI've enjoyed exploring.
And then these things like thisbook, the Material World where
there's the reality of thematerials that mine, that we
need to mine in order to makeall the things that we make, but
we don't, that we don't includethem in.
The country's accounting.
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We are not adding into that.
The raw materials plus the,damage that's being done or the
cost that's being done to theland or any of these things, you
know, we are not.
Dealing with the actual coldhard truth of the reality of
what we're doing.
And if we do, if it's, in onecountry, we'll be like, oh, we
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no longer do this.
But that's because it's allhappening in another country.
So, yeah.
In, in this, you know, likeSteel Works are no longer in the
uk, but there's somewhere elsewe're still using steel.
We just haven't got all thatpollution and, horrible working
conditions in.
Our country, but they'reelsewhere.
Um, and like the material world,because we're going more and
more digital and we're goingmore like electric car, it's all
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meant to be better for theenvironment.
But actually our material usehas gone up in terms of the raw
materials because everything'shaving to be, like, all the
infrastructure's having to berebuilt and created from scratch
because we are now using newtechnology.
So in theory, that should levelout at some point.
At the moment, there's been ahuge rise.
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And yeah, just the numbers he'sgiving in this book do make you
feel pretty hopeless, and it isscary.
It's all very scary.
And so we do need to be strong.
We need to be so strong.
You need to, I personally, Ilike to know the truth about
things.
And when I say the truth, I knowtruth is a slippery fish, but
I'm interested in lifting veils.
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And I suppose, I'm not sayingthat there's any absolute truth
because you keep lifting theveil.
You can lift, you know, that Icould, there could be a a, a
critique book on the book thatI'm reading that's like, yeah,
well, he.
He looks at it from this perperspective because he's a white
middle class male, and becausehe looks at it from this
perspective, he didn't take intoaccount this, and this, and
there could be a really goodcritique on it by someone else
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from a different perspective.
And I'd be like, oh yeah, no,you're, oh, wow.
Yeah and it's not that you areright.
Well, you are right.
Everyone's right.
But he was right.
It's just that.
Each veil makes you see thingsdifferently.
Checking yourself, like you needto keep checking yourself with
that.
We are all privileged.
We've all got a level ofprivilege that we can't see.
I'm a white person, like I havethe privilege of that.
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I'm.
I've got a over of my head.
I can eat.
I'm, I am comfortable in thatsense.
There's the privilege of havingthose things.
I've, I've got freedom, I've gota passport.
You know, it's, so many peopledo not have any of those
freedoms.
So many people do not have anyof those freedoms and it's quite
shocking.
Yeah.
And just to see where you are inthe pyramid and to realize that
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you are actually quite high upthat pyramid.
But we need to be strong to feellike in the face of all of this,
that we can make a differenceand that we do have sovereignty
and we have rights, and we arefree.
And that this is all made up andwe do not have to go along with
any of it.
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Obviously when you've got a gunin your face and you're being
taken into a law court andyou're being forced into a
prison cell, it's hard to.
Keep hold of that belief, but atthe same time, sometimes that
has to be done.
Sometimes you have to do that.
Sometimes you have to do that,and sometimes you might be the
one that has to get tortured andmurdered to be one of the ones
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that fought against the thingthat eventually does change.
And that might be what you haveto do.
And are you gonna be one of theresistance?
Are you gonna be one of thepeople that fights the fight?
Or are you gonna be one of thepeople that.
To be fair, whatever you do,whatever you do, you do, you do
whatever you do.
I'm not even saying there's anytruth in any of that.
Everyone plays their part,everyone does their thing.
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The storyline dips and weaves,twists and turns.
Sometimes it's winter and darkand sometimes it's summer and
light and all the shades inbetween.
And you know, it's all just abunch of stuff that happens.
And one day we'll all be rubble'cause the whole world will blow
up.
So, you know, it's, it's just,it's literally just a bunch of
stuff that's happening.
So you.
Pick your own adventure.
You make your own choices.
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You do you.
But be strong.
Be strong in yourself.
Be.
Just be you.
Do it.
Do it your way.
Do whatever you are gonna do.
And that's what I'm doing andI'm sharing my thoughts and my
process and sharing what's goingon as I stumble my way through
this thing called life.
But I'm not saying that there'sany right or wrong thing.
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You just gotta fully owncompass.
And but I'm just saying if yourcompass is saying this is wrong,
then just be brave and don't,don't let yourself be tricked
into thinking that you'rehopeless because you're not.
We can do anything and we couldhave anything, and we can live
this life any way we want, andit doesn't have to follow rules
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that were made by someone elsethat suits them.
They can be made anywhere.
You want them to be made andanything is possible and you can
imagine anything and it can bedreamt into being.
So yeah, just be brave, bestrong, be determined, and feel
your sovereignty.
We're all sovereign.
We are all.
Children of this land, we're allmiracles and we're all perfect.
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Whole and complete.
Don't you forget it.
So now for the Chaos Crusade,this week's Chaos Crusade is
inspired by the Ba Luman songwhere sunscreen, which I think I
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mentioned recently in a podcast,but it's the.
A song that was a Bible to methroughout my life.
It's been a Bible to me.
That, and the Sandman comicsare, I would say, my Bible.
If you're gonna say, what's theBible of your personal religion?
It's the Sun Sunscreen song andthe sunscreen song's.
My 10 Commandments and theSandman Comics graphic novel
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series is my Bible.
Like my, the bulky bit of theBible and.
In the sunscreen song, it says,do one thing every day that
scares you.
And I do all the time do that.
And when I am scared of doingsomething.
I remember that saying, uh,there's two actually another
it's less of a Bible, but it'smy favorite book that I've read
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the most times.
And that's my family and otheranimals.
And I love Gerald Durl and Ilove that I'm kind of in Gerald
Dal's world a little bit here inthe Channel Islands.
His zoo is over in Jersey.
He's, yeah, he's a known personaround here, whereas like in the
UK I could talk about him andpeople wouldn't know who I was
talking about.
They didn't necessarily know whohe was unless you were my age.
'cause there was a TV series,uh, that I loved.
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When that came out, but I justlove that book.
It's such a brilliant book.
I'm gonna give it another readagain soon'cause it's just
beautiful and.
In it.
His sister is, uh, Margot andshe gets sayings wrong and one
of her sayings, which is in MyTown Commandments, even though
it's not in the sunscreen song,it's from my family and other
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animals instead.
But it's um, changes as good asa feast and it's meant to be
changes as good as a rest.
But I didn't know that till.
I was much like I was, probablyin my thirties when I found out
that that's what it was meant tobe.
But I also just thought thatdidn't make sense.
'cause the change is as good asa rest.
It's like change is really notrestful.
You know?
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Like if you've gotta go and bea, if you've gotta leave your
home and go be a, in like arefugee, like that's not
restful.
That's.
I dunno, changed just, I mean,my life completely changed in
2020.
There wasn't, nothing wasrestful about that.
You know, I walked 500 miles,packed up my flat left.
My ex-husband came here, had tomeet people and get to know
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people by going out andsocializing and unpack my house
and find things to put in myhouse.
Like the, nothing about that wasa rest.
It was yeah, I don't find itrestful, um, change.
I find it extremely.
Nourishing though, and deliciousand just yummy and scrummy like
a feast.
So I think it makes much moresense that change as good as a
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feast.
But yeah, when I dunno what todo and I'm in a situation where
I'm like, ah, shit, first ofall, I'm like, a change is as
good as a feast.
So if it's, if the choices arelike this or this, I will go
with the one.
That's the biggest change.
Also to always remember there'sthe third way that betw the two.
And the third way's, often, the,the right way.
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So if you're ever like this orthis, stop and think about
what's the third way that'sanother thing to do.
But yeah, doing something thatscares you, it's just a good
thing to do.
So like I was scared of heights,but then I started doing co
steering and I loved it.
I sang at the old island halllast week.
On the open mic night and I amterrified of singing in public
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and I'm a really dreadfulsinger, but I rewrote the words
to park life with Sark life andit was very funny if I do say so
myself.
And I sang that and everyonejoined in'cause everyone was
like, Hey, park Life, Sark Life,everyone joined in with it.
And that was fun and I overcamemy fear and I'm gonna do it
again tomorrow night orWednesday.
And it's just a fun thing to dois challenge yourself.
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And the more you do it, the moreyou realize that.
The ground didn't swallow youup, that you survived, that
you're still here and you liveto tell another tale, live
another day.
It's okay.
And it's one of the things thatI learned from doing falling.
I did so many embarrassing andhumiliating performances and
falling.
And I'm still here andeverything's fine, and I'm
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still, an artist and I'm stillperforming on the stage.
It's cool.
No one fricking cares.
Like they really don't.
And yeah, so just do one thingevery day that scares you.
Get yourself outta your comfortzone.
Go do something.
Go do a theater workshop.
Go do a singing course.
Go put yourself out there and dosomething that scares you.
Go do a paragliding course, likewhatever it is, do something
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scary.
Ask that person out, whatever.
Leave that person.
Just do it.
So that's my chaos crusade forthis week.
So that's everything.
That's my thoughts and musings.
Um, I'd be interested to seewhat happens over the next
couple of weeks with thisAquarius Full Moon.
So yeah, let's see.
I shall see you on the otherside and until then, see the
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anon now.
The.
(00:53):
Welcome to The Nonsense in theChaos.
I'm your host, Jaylie Rose.
So I'm recording this podcast inthe future.
No past, sorry.
It's gonna be listened to in thefuture.
I'm recording it in the pastbecause I'm going away to
BoomTown for a week, and thenI'm going to live in the 16th
(01:13):
century for a week, and thenI'll be back.
And then I've got some reallyexciting people lined up for
when I get back, but I've hadto.
Prerecord these so that I didn'tmiss a week speaking with you,
which I didn't want to do.
And because yeah, just, I, Idon't think I, I did order, I
ordered some microphones to takewith me.
(01:34):
Um, hopefully they will turn upin time.
I'm hoping they haven't turnedup yet, but I will take them
with me and I will record whileI'm away as well.
So you will get.
The BoomTown load down and the16th century interviews, I'll,
I'm so looking forward tointerviewing people at Kentwell
again'cause they're all sofascinating.
So that will happen.
But in the meantime, I willupload these and then I know
(01:56):
that these are in place and Ican do it in a relaxed manner
rather than trying to figure outhow to upload and put in the
podcast from.
The 16th century.
I did do it last year, so I knowit's possible, but it wasn't
easy and it just takes you outthe moment a little bit.
I do.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure outwhat I'm gonna do when I'm on
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the pilgrimages on thepilgrimage.
But it's weeks, the weeks thatI'm on the pilgrimage because
yeah, I would like to, like Ithink if I have a break for
creation hibernation in January,February, that works.
But then how do I carry on doingthe podcast while I'm away on
pilgrimage?
It's a bit tricky.
(02:38):
So maybe I'll have to have abreak then as well.
It's not ideal but you know.
Sometimes these things have tohappen and part of what also has
to happen is I'll be away and itmeans I'm not in the government
meetings.
And we just had a discussionabout that'cause someone was
questioning whether that'sallowed.
Because we did have a.
A thing passed where if you missmore than three me meetings sort
(03:00):
of unauthorized, that you can betaken out of the committee.
And someone was flagging that upwith me being away.
But as I said at the time of usmaking that rule, and before I
joined Chief Police that theseare.
Work, like the dates that I'maway are for things that I go
and do for work.
And I was doing them before Ijoined chiefly.
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So when I was asked to join it,I was, I explained clearly that
I already had these commitmentsand those commitments will
always be there and I know whatthey are and I can give the
dates every year.
And yeah, so it's just, uh,'cause someone's new and they
were questioning it and it'sfair enough, but at the same
time it's like, I've always donethis, this is what I do and uh,
I can't.
(03:41):
I can't do chief police if youdon't if this isn't possible for
me to do it.
I had an interesting yeah,interesting meeting today with
Chief Police because when thispodcast comes out, it will be
just after the Aquarius fullMoon.
And I think that's a veryinteresting moon.
I think it's going to be.
Extremely interesting, and I'mnot here recording it at the
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time of it, but I reckon somebig stuff's gonna happen because
Pluto is in Aquarius at themoment, and Pluto is the.
The game changer.
It's like the furthest out ofthe planets I obviously argue.
And, uh, one could argue thatit's not a planet which I fully
appreciate, although I, I likeit being a planet.
I'm, I'm sticking with it beinga planet personally.
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But it's the slowest moving,furthest out planet in the
astrology whatever the word is,system and.
It's the planet of life changingearth societal movements, like
the big changing movements.
So an Aquarius is the sign ofentrepreneurialship innovation,
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like mad ideas, communication,crazy, like out there thinking
like it's the most out there ofthe star science, but not in a
like wacky way in a.
I don't sort of, Elon Musk, I, Idunno what his thought sign is,
but I would assume that he wouldhave a lot of Aquarius in his
chart.
Just for the, yeah, just the outthere thinking, you know,
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thinking way beyond thelimitations of, of the everyday
world and, you know, and Iobviously I've got a lot of
issues with him, but I, I canappreciate that about him that
he does think wide.
I'm a wide thinker as well, andI.
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It just like the last time Plutowas in Aquarius, there were lots
of revolutions and things.
So yeah, I just think it'sinteresting because I've said
this now, uh, in a couple ofpodcasts that I've always given
the sort of proviso of myastrology following that I don't
particularly believe in it.
I just follow it and it's usefulprompts and I find it an
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interesting model to, to followtoo.
Examine my inner world and alsothe reflections of the seasons
and just being more, I dunno,paying more attention to the
outer world really as well,because it made me be able to be
astro an astronomer or an astroguide at the observatory that
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was off the back of me learningastrology, which has only been
since 2020.
So I, before 2020, I wasabsolutely adamant that it was
all nonsense and uh, it wasreally, anti it.
I was, I was a staunch.
Cynic and then critic.
And then, I dunno, somethinghappened in 2020 where I just
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was like, do you know what thisall feels like?
It's more, it's harder workdenying it than it is to let it
in.
And I already knew quite a bitabout it just because it's very
prevalent in the tutor world.
And obviously having lived as atutor for 36 years, I was like.
It was part of my reality tosome extent in that way and that
was kind of part of the reasonwhy I was interested because it
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was like, well actually I don'tunderstand this system that I'm
sort of meant to, or that reallyI should know about because it
should be part of my reality asa tutor.
So, you know, in terms of my.
Character and my, my t reality,I should know about it.
But also just as a person, likeas a writer.
As an artist, you know, this ismy part of the mythology.
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I know about Christianmythology.
I would call that mythology'cause I'm an atheist.
I don't believe in I don't, Imean, I say I don't believe in
God.
I don't believe in anyreligious.
Prescribed God.
But I am a theist in that Ibelieve in the kernel of truth
and divine beauty at the core ofeach religion.
But I don't believe in anyreligion.
Probably Buddhism's the closestto something I believe.
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But actually when you look atBuddhism properly, it's a whole
religious thing that I don'tbelieve in.
I just very much agree with thephilosophies.
I feel like they've hit the nailon the head there.
But, um, you know, all roadslead to the same city and all
that, I wouldn't say I don'tbelieve in God, but I also.
Think that what we call God, orwhat I call God, it, which I
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call universe, what I call theuniverse, could be a computer
game, could be a simulation,could be a dream, could be a
bubble in a, a glass of soda.
Like I, I dunno what that thingis, but that thing is what I
call everything.
And that everything seems tohave a thing going on.
Like it's a computer game orwhatever.
It's a thing.
Um, within that thing, we areall one and that, that it's all
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connected.
And within that are all thestories and the myths, and the
legends and the metaphors and,and that's woven our reality
together.
And so I think all of it'simportant to know about.
I'm interested in all of it.
I'm interested in flat earthers.
I'm interested in.
Every type of religion I'minterested in.
Serial killers.
I'm interested in.
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I, I feel like I'm starting tosound like Bjork.
Uh, there's a really funny memeof Bjork going.
I like, I dunno why she, she waslike, I like estate ages, I like
critics.
I like Candy Floss.
She's so funny.
I love her.
If I could meet anyone, uh, itwould be Bjork.
I love Bjork.
She's such a ledge.
But yeah, I'm just, I feel likeeverything's in our reality.
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So there's something, just outof curiosity, I'm interested in
all of it but also with what Iwas getting round to saying is
having now followed astrology,it does blow my mind and it is
part probably, I'm happy to gowith the scientific explanation
that we're pattern findingcreatures.
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So is, we'll find the meaning inthings.
We are meaning making machines,and we'll find the meaning in
things.
But I do find that each darkmoon or no, each dark and full
moon.
The sign that the moon is inseems to be coming up in the
things that are happening inreality.
You know, my friend Sophia diedwith the Scorpio full moon and
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Dark Moon.
No, full moon.
Yeah.
Scorpio full moon.
She died with the Scorpio fullmoon, as did loads of other
people have people die then.
And so we had a very beautifulgrief sharing ceremony for that
forming ceremony.
And it's the same with, yeah,just, I dunno, it just seems to
be every moon, it feels likeit's relevant, the things that
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are coming up.
And I find that, I just findthat really interesting.
Like the Leo Dark Moon that wejust had was amazing and that
was very much about.
Being in your power and being inyour sovereignty and, and that
felt like that was coming up ineverything that was happening
around me and us sitting in oursovereignty and being powerful
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and strong and, taking ownershipof reality and what's going on
in the world.
And yeah, I just feel like thisAquarius full Moon with
everything that's going on atthe moment.
Things feel volatile, feel, Ithink things, I spoke to my
friend yesterday who's over,who's in the Metropolitan
Police.
So she grew up here and she nowlives in London and is in the
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Met, the Met Police.
And I was like, how's it goingover there?
How's it going over on the big,big rock?
And she said I think there'sgonna be a really big riot.
Soon.
She said, there's two, twogroups of people that think very
differently and I think there'sgonna be a huge riot soon.
And I said, yeah that's kind ofwhat I was angling at.
I, yeah, I'm picking up on thatas well.
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I, I think you might be right.
Yeah, probably.
I dunno, I'm just putting myhead in my bet here.
Obviously I'm in the past, so Idunno what's gonna happen in the
future, but if I was gonna putmy money on a.
Time where that might kick off.
Then the Aquarius Full Moon iskind of a, yeah.
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Got my money on it.
So I've just been in agovernment meeting today talking
about tax, which is veryinteresting because it just
brought up so much stuff about,oh God, first, I'd say
overwhelmingly.
Money is so personal.
I'm finding money sointeresting.
I think I'm enjoying it now.
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I'm enjoying this conversation,this journey, this exploration
into money, listening to theseamazing books.
I think I've told you already.
Um, money by David McWilliamsand the material world is
brilliant.
Our material world is so good.
They both are, they're bothreally good.
Just in terms of, um, thinkingabout the world differently, I
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find it fascinating.
I love thinking about the worlddifferently because I just,
yeah.
I mean, it's like I loved, um,disability arts, like the
disabled arts.
There was a huge, increase infunding for disability arts
after the Paralympics in the UKbecause there was that amazing
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opening ceremony and there werelots of incredible disabled
artists that were part of thatopening ceremony.
And off the back of that, theycreated this initiative called
Unlimited, where you gotfunding, disabled artists were
able to get funding to creatework.
And there was a lot of supportand mentoring and it was just,
it was brilliant.
And the work that came out was.
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Off.
I just absolutely mind, mindblowing because you saw things
from a completely differentperspective.
You know, from, the thing I loveabout art is when you are
surprised by the way thatsomeone looks at the world
completely differently, youknow, like the, um.
Impressionists when theysuddenly stopped painting things
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realistically and painted themin this completely well and
abstract as well.
Ab, uh, abstract, I dunno whatthey're call it, abstractionist,
um, abstract art andimpressionist art where it just.
Suddenly looked at the worlddifferently and through this
different lens and how, shockingand confronting and mind
melting, that would've all beenat the time.
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And then how we felt with, Ithink, deep dream when that came
out.
And then seeing AI and what thatdoes and us seeing the world
from this different perspectiveand just looking at the world
through.
The perspective of a disabledperson was so exciting because,
most things in the arts you'veseen already.
Now you've seen and done andbeen there and, and to suddenly
be looking at the world from,you know, there's a amazing
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photo series of a, a woman goingdeep sea diving and all these
diving photos, but she's in herwheelchair and she went Dixie
diving with her.
Wheelchair and these images werejust so cool.
There's the person in theirwheelchair diving in the sea,
just yeah, really cool images.
And then my friend Jess Tom, whocreated a charity called
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Tourette's Hero, where theycelebrated Tourette Syndrome as
a superpower, random wordgenerating superpower.
And she wore a superhero outfitand would go around and connect
with and work with.
Young, just helping young peoplefind their power in their
Tourettes, you know, and it notjust be something that's
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something they're having to livewith, that they're a sufferer
like that.
It's not something you'resuffering.
It's actually a, you know, aunique, incredible.
A different way of living andbeing.
And it's that the world needs tochange and accommodate, not you,
which is absolutely, totallytrue and valid.
And, and that's how I feel abouteverything.
It's like you don't choose to beborn.
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And however we're born isabsolutely perfect.
We are perfect.
Whole and complete.
Every single one of us isperfect, whole and complete.
And if the world is in any waysaying you are not, that's the
world's problem, not yours.
And so the world needs to bechanged to work so that you are.
Held, supported, looked after,given your basic needs, your
basic needs are met.
You know, the way things aredesigned are designed to support
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you and help you.
That you, you can get around ina wheelchair or you can go to
live events, even if you've gotTourette syndrome and that
people are, educated and trainedto understand and meet your
needs as someone with Touretterather than ushering you out or
shushing you or whatever.
All of that I absolutely love.
I find it so interesting and Ijust, yeah, I just think this
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Aquarius energy is going to bemaking us see the world
differently and look at thingsin a completely different way
and yeah.
Uh, just.
Yeah, I, uh, looking at tax andmoney and the material world
through these books has justbeen so interesting and like
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lifting the veil.
And it was interesting alsointerviewing Ray and him talking
about the truth behind thelanguage we use, that we are
veiling, there's all these,there's all these hidden
realities that are more realthan the reality we think we
live in.
that's what this material worldbook is about.
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There's the.
Actual reality and the companiesand the materials that we've not
heard of, that, that, thatactually make the world go
round.
And if any of them cease toexist, then we would be
absolutely sced like, and thatit's just mad.
Like we don't, we are just, andwe are not thinking about it,
and we're not talking about it,and we are not aware of it, and
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it's not measured in ourcountry's GGDP.
Then talking about money and taxtoday, it's so emotional is the
first thing.
And that also people are so outof touch or dilu deluded, I
think is the word.
Deluded.
Oh God.
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There was some things said thisevening that were shocking.
That were shocking.
Yeah, that mate that revealed somuch about how.
People with money view peoplewithout money.
In a nutshell, what.
The sweeping statement that wasjust used is that the amount
that these people are paying ontax, they would spend in a bar
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of an evening.
For a start, 500 quid.
I dunno, anyone other thanwealthy people who spend 500
quid in a bar in an evening andalso 500 pounds might not seem
like much to them, although theygot upset when I said that.
They were like, it does seemlike, I'm like, well, I'm sure
it does seem like a lot to youbecause.
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You're balking over paying, acouple of grand tax but 500
pounds to someone who earns 12pound an hour, who can't put
money aside each week to pay forthe tax at the end of the year
because they haven't got enoughmoney to do that.
And so at the end of the year,have to, after Christmas,
suddenly find 500 pounds.
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And in the UK if you earn under12 and a half grand, you don't
pay.
Tax, but you also you only, youdon't technically have to pay
your national insurance and ifit's under six and a half grand,
but you pay you just pay yournational insurance, that's 179
pounds.
We are paying over double herein SARC and we don't get
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national healthcare and we don'tget the benefit system and we
don't get a state pension.
So we are paying double theamount of tax.
If you are under, if you areearning under, like, if you're a
low earner, I mean.
Only under like 20 grand a year,you're not paying tax in the uk.
So you are paying your nationalinsurance contributions and then
you get all those benefits, buthere you are paying twice as
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much money and you're notgetting any of those benefits.
So it, it's not a tax haven forlow earners.
But if you are.
You could be a millionaire, youcould be a multimillionaire and
your partner pays the roof taxand then therefore you are able
to pay the minimum tax.
'Cause you haven't declared yourassets and you are paying 500
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and it's like 500 and I can'tremember what, it's 79 pounds or
something like that.
So you've got.
People who are multimillionairespaying the same as people on 12
pound an hour and they're doingvery well out of it.
And yeah, they, they're thensaying, well, 500 pounds is a
lot of money.
No shit.
But it's not the same kind oflot of money to you as it is to
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me, my darling.
Ah, just shocking.
It was just suggested that wasspent in a bar of an evening and
then it was also suggested thatlike 500 pounds is nothing and
that they can easily pay that.
And I was just like, mate, youreally dunno what you're talking
about.
And it, yeah, I just, there wasso many.
Diversions that are being madeby people to go, oh, it's, oh
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yeah.
I mean, God, the amount of stuffthat's been happening recently,
it's mad.
Like I met someone recently whois best mates with Nigel Fraud
apparently.
And, um, showed me his reformmembers card, uh, membership
card, and said that he might belike Nigel's trying to encourage
him to stand.
And I just had a conversationwith him about.
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You know, immigration.
And I was like, well, but,because his point was, you know,
because anyone can turn up toEngland and just get free
healthcare like anyone.
And I was like, yeah, isn't thatamazing?
Isn't that amazing?
I feel like, oh God, it'd be sogood if we had that here.
Like I really miss having theN-H-S-I-I cannot.
Stress enough how lucky peoplein England are to have the NHS,
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it is unbelievable that we getcared for free.
It's amazing.
And I can kind of see fromhaving been on the medical
committee here in SOC and beingaware of how expensive medicine
it is and how crazy the, thenumbers are.
I mean, the numbers arebasically bankruptcy for the
number of people that live inthe uk.
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We can't afford it.
We can't really afford it.
Uh, but I also don't ever wantit to go, but yeah, we can't
afford it on the scale thatwe're at in soc, so I dunno how
they're managing.
Yeah, it's a lot.
Anyway, I can appreciate that.
I can actually appreciate fromthat perspective that it's a
huge amount of money that we'retalking about and.
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But what I was saying to him is,isn't it amazing that we have
that in the uk and wouldn't itbe great if we had that
everywhere?
Shouldn't it be that we shouldbe rather than like trying to
stop?
Some people using the freehealthcare in our country, we
should be trying to encourageeverywhere in the world to have
free healthcare.
That should just be a, you know,it's a basic human need.
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And part of the reason why itcosts so much money everywhere
is with pharmaceutical companiesare making, it costs so much
money.
It's not necessarily actuallythe cost price of making said
things.
They will just get completelyplumped up and it's, uh.
It's outrageous.
You know, there's that manyfilms and documentaries and
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things made about that, that wecan, you can go back and look
at.
But and then I also, and then Isaid to him, you know, and the
people that come over.
Are either from war torn placeswhere we've normally had some
hand in why that country's beenat war often because they've got
resources that we want.
And while we are there doingthat and we are interfering with
their politics and their landand their governance, and we're
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land grabbing and resourcegrabbing as we go, we are always
saying to them, oh, we love youover in England.
We love you.
No, we are the good guys.
We we're so on your side.
We're totally on your side.
Yeah, no, we love you.
We love you.
And so they think that we aretheir friends and that.
We are a safe place to flee towhen they need to.
And so it is perfectlyreasonable that they come
heading towards us because wehave literally been telling them
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that we are on their side.
So that's one group ofimmigrants.
And then another group ofimmigrants are people fleeing
from the equator, which isspreading The width of
uninhabitable land is spreadingbecause of us in the west.
Creating global warming andusing all the resources, which
means that we're making theworld hotter, which means that
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the land for people to be ableto live on and farm and, and be
sustained.
No one ever wants to leave theirhome.
No one wants to leave theirhome.
If people are leaving theirhome, it's because it's that
bad.
Think how much it would take foryou to go, right, unless you
know you don't really like whereyou live and you would rather go
live in south of France orwhatever.
If you are happy where you liveand.
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It and you have the means to beable to live elsewhere.
Imagine what it would take foryou to be able to, to what it
would take for you to giveeverything up to grab a handful
of belongings and leave yourhouse.
I mean, I was thinking it todayand also like listening today to
this, um, podcast about the.
Occupation in France and how allthe Parisians, the Parisians
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flee, had to flee Paris.
And this is in living history.
You know, this is, this is thesecond World War.
Parisians had to flee Paris andHead South, and they had to
literally just grab what theycould.
90,000 children went missingbecause they were just being
handed to like cars going by.
Just saying, please take them,save them, get them, get them
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away from here.
And they all went missing.
The Red Cross had to try andlike put them back with their
families and yeah, 90,000children disappeared and went
missing during that time.
And just what it would take.
That's, that's Parisians.
There's like a load of peoplehanging out in Paris right now,
suddenly having to flee south inFrance.
It's in their own country.
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But everything run out.
Like people couldn't put anyoneelse up.
People, they, no food had runout.
You know, some more and morepeople were having to go south
because things had run outfurther north and.
That's really recent and it'sjust, I just, it's the
inhumanity of it that whenpeople are in need and people
are in need, because we've putthem in that position, it is 99%
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of immigration is gonna be fromcolonialism, from war and
resource grabbing or fromenvironmental.
Like collapse and we are toblame for all of that.
And then he went, yeah, but whatabout the um, Albanians?
And I was like, yeah, buteveryone really likes cocaine.
If they weren't selling cocainethen they wouldn't be a problem.
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But the only reason why it'sworking is because everyone's
buying the cocaine.
And he did actually laugh atthat.
And it is funny'cause it's likeI'm having these conversations
with people that I would nevermeet.
None of these conversationswould've happened to me in
Brighton because we justwould've all been on the same
page talking about the samething, supporting each other.
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This is a completely mad realitythat I'm now living in, where
I'm sitting with and talking topeople with three houses and
three jurisdictions paying threetax bills, and who hiring about
having to pay some tax here.
Saying, oh, like using the wordswhere's, I think it was
something like, where's thehumanity?
Or is there No, oh, what wasthat Mercy like?
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I'm like, are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
I've just explained how we arepaying.
More tax here than I did.
You know, I'm paying more taxhere than I did in the uk and
I'm not, I'm not complainingabout it.
I'm not saying reduce my taxbill.
I'm just saying you can't keepputting the tax up for everyone
because this is alreadycompletely ridiculous for, for
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the low earners.
It's already completely grosslyunfair for low earners.
People will just leave.
Like, I mean, I'm, I'm veryaware of, uh.
The costs that, like, for me,I'm feeling that it, it's, it
outweighs by living here becauseI'm away from all the madness of
what's going on, which is, I'dsay probably, um, after Dizzle,
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like dizzle the leading.
If I wasn't with Dizz, then I,there have been moments where I
almost certainly would've leftit here by now.
I'm glad that didn't happenbecause.
I've learned so much throughgoing through those sticky
periods and I've, I've learnedso much about myself and.
Yeah.
I'm glad I've gone through thosesticky periods and I'm glad that
I was in a position where I wasin love with someone who wasn't
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gonna come with me.
He's never leaving here.
And so, uh, forced me to workthrough those situations and
deal with them.
And yeah, like I've said before,wearing big girl pants is a, is
part of my everyday life herenow.
But I like that.
I like that.
I've learned to do that.
And I've, I like how.
How much it's made me facethings like this conversation
I'm having now.
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This is, a bit scary.
It's a bit sticking my neck onthe line.
It's a bit whatever, but it'slike it's gotta be done.
Like we've gotta start havingthese conversations because they
need to be had the problem.
Yeah, the problem is people arepeople.
I like people and that's one ofthe things that I really love.
About here is that I keeplearning how normal everybody
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is.
Everyone is just everybody.
There's nothing special aboutrich people.
They're not different.
They're just normal everydaypeople who do silly things, who
say silly things.
Some of them are smart.
I mean, they're quite oftenquite smart because they've had
good education, but they're notthat, it's not like, oh my God,
you are all just geniuses.
Or you have some divinesomething or other, you're just
normal everyday people.
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You've had a good education andyou feel like you deserve what
you've got because you've beenbrought up to believe that
you've got that privilege.
And so you feel like you, um, myfriend was sleeping with someone
once where.
He'd gone to Eaton and um, andhe was like, yeah, I was thought
of going for, pm but then Idecided to become a film
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director and she went PM And hewas like, yeah, you know, and
she was like.
What do you mean?
PM And he went, oh, a PrimeMinister.
It's like, oh, I was thinking ofgoing for Prime Minister or
becoming a film director.
It's like, yeah, that's notsomething that I, neither of
those options are something thatI just thought about when I was
at Ali Con High School infucking Essex.
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It's just a completelydifferent.
Upbringing and reality, and it'sjust a lottery, you know?
And people are just normalpeople.
And I like that.
I like that we are all the sameand we are all normal.
And I love that.
And I love that I've, I mean, I,I knew that, you know, like, I'm
sure you'll be listening to thatgoing Yeah, I do know that.
But how many really rich people,but like millionaires,
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multimillionaires, billionaires,royal family, have you actually
hung out with?
Because until I moved here, myanswer was pretty zero.
I might have slightly brushedpast some.
Ah, slightly, you know, prettywealthy people, but not like the
levels that I'm, and, and, and,uh, not only am I like living in
src, it's like a giant sharedhouse.
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So it's not just like you'reseeing them in a pub where you,
you met them at someone'swedding or something like that.
I literally watch them stumblinghome drunk or I, I see them
eating or I, I.
Experience how they treat staff,who I know, like we all know, we
all talk about, you know, how weget treated or what people are
like.
Um, we've, people went through apandemic together, you know, so
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we've seen, you know, and we areteaching their children and
blah, blah, blah.
So yeah, there's, it is morelike we're in a shared house and
it's a, a big family.
So the exposure's reallydifferent.
It's a really, like behind thescenes, you know, curlers in
dressing, gown on kind of viberather than a sort of out, out,
somewhere fancy or at an eventkind of thing, which is where
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possibly would've met people inthe past.
But yeah, the thing thateverything keeps coming back for
me is that.
Privilege and wealth is theissue.
Like the only enemy in thisworld is the divide, the
financial divide, and the justthe absolute blindness that
privilege.
Unfortunately gives to you,which means that you don't see
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the rumblings of the discontent.
But they are really good atdistracting the discontent by
making the discontented point ateach other.
And that's what immigration'sall about.
That's what all of this fascismrise is all about, is people
being screwed over by a group ofpeople and the group of people
who are doing the screwing overgoing, no, it's the guy next to
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you.
And he is like literally theoldest trick in the book.
Yeah.
And the thing is, what I canalso tell you from being in and
amongst these people is thatthey're not happy.
It doesn't bring you happiness.
This graspy klepto maniahoarding is not a healthy state
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of being to be in.
It's not happy.
No, I haven't met a singlewealthy person yet where I'm
like, oh, that's.
That's the dream.
You know, like they're allgetting surgery, they're not
happy with how they look.
They're doing weird back stabbythings.
They've like blackmailing eachother.
They've got dirt on each other.
They're angry.
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It's just like.
It's not, you're not happy.
Like I'm, I'm not watchinganyone going, God, look at all
the incredible things they'redoing.
Look at all the incrediblethings they're doing with their
lives, and they're, and they'rejust so at peace and yeah, the
people I know who are like thatare not any of these wealthy
people.
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So that's my, uh, yeah, I justfeel like this Aquarius will
mean something's gonna happenand I'm.
I am just ready for it.
Yeah, I'm very excited aboutwhat's gonna happen at BoomTown
and what will come out of this,uh, this exciting plan that we
have which I talked about in mylast solo podcast.
(32:55):
So go back and listen to that.
And here we're up to, but yeah,I just, it feels like it's all
gonna spill out and that's allgonna be happening over the
Aquarius full Moon, which isjust perfect.
So let's, yeah.
It's flipping.
Um.
Change things up and I don't, Inever am meaning this in a
violent way.
I, violent revolutions don'ttend to work out well.
Yeah.
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It's more of a revolution of themind and the heart and just
having conversations aboutwhat's going on.
I think we need to stop beingscared.
I mean, I am scared, definitelyscared.
I'll put my hands up and say I'mscared, but, it is just a ride.
Hey, it's just a ride.
As Bill Hicks says, I'm going topull Aroon.
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If you enjoy this podcast, thenplease consider supporting me on
Patreon, which ispatreon.com/joly.
Rose.
I still haven't set up acrowdfunder for the pilgrimage.
If I do do that, I'll be doingit when I get back.
I probably do need to do it forthe start of August, which at
the time of recording this isliterally in a day or two time.
(34:10):
I've got a lot of things to dobefore I go away.
I'll see.
I'll have to have a think aboutit.
But yes, the best way to supportme would be supporting me
through Patreon, because that'sjust a.
Solid.
I'm supporting you.
Whatever you do, I'm just hereto support you as an artist.
Uh, it's a thank you for thepodcast.
It's a thank you for the moonceremonies.
It's a, yeah, go do thepilgrimage.
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Yeah, go do BoomTown.
Yeah, go do these things and I'mjust gonna help you out as much
as I can.
Uh, there's two tears.
It's three pound a month forthe, like, just.
Pat on the back which I reallyappreciate.
And nine pound a month to seethe videos.
Uh, so you can watch who I'mchatting with.
And yeah, see the interviewstake place, which is always fun.
And everything else I put outfor free.
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You know, I do the articles andthe ceremonies and the readings
and things that I do, I do, youknow, online for free so
everyone can have them and getto experience them.
And if you can't afford tosupport me on Patreon, then you
just.
Enjoy them for free, which is anice, it's there for you.
So I hope you're having youknow, enjoying it.
But also really great if youcould tell people about it and
(35:17):
post about it and share likewhatever aspects it is that you
like.
You know, share the moonceremony, share the podcast,
whatever it is that you areconsuming and you enjoy.
If you are up for it and youlike this podcast, then please
vote for it in the Listeners'Choice Awards in the British
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So yeah, go over to the BritishPodcast Awards.
You literally type in nonsensein the chaos in the listener's
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you just say, reply to theconfirmation email.
And then that will go throughand it would be great if you did
do that.
I would really appreciate it.
That would be amazing.
So that's something you can do.
And yeah.
Otherwise just enjoy.
Uh, I will, currently, when thispodcast comes out, I will be at
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Kenmore Hall.
I'll been at BoomTown already.
Um, I'll soon be coming back andthen I'll be going on the
pilgrimages.
Uh, I keep saying that thepilgrimage across the uk, uh,
which will be for the whole ofSeptember and October, and if
you.
Would like to find out wherewe'll be and are interested in
hosting a performance of Georgeand the Dragon Mama's play, or
(36:23):
maybe coming and walking for aday or two, or just generally
following what we're doing.
Then you can follow it at careerarts at Instagram and Facebook.
So that's K-R-I-Y-A-A-R-T-S.
And then yeah, if you go on to.
Either of them.
It's got the dates on there as apost and just see where we are
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and see if we might be passingyour neck of the woods.
But yeah, otherwise on with theshow.
Interesting.
Be strong Raz.
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This room.
I might, well have talked aboutthis before.
I think I have, I think I havepulled this one before.
It's the room that.
Meant the least to me for yearsuntil 2023.
Because in 2023, this was thelast room that I pulled for the
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last pilgrimage.
And it seemed weird that thiswas the culmination of that four
years of walking because theywere big, you know, four, 500
mile walks across the length andbreadth of the UK in, in each of
the directions.
To end it with this room, bestrong Strength was like, oh,
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and then when I actuallyfinished that walk, I was so, so
strong.
And it wasn't just physical, itwas an inner strength.
I felt like Wonder Woman, I feltlike a tree trunk.
I was balanced.
My masculine and feminine andall my aspects felt balanced.
I felt one, I felt at peace withdeath.
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I felt.
Calm and agile and fit, and mybody was all pain-free and at
ease.
And I just felt so strong and I,I came away from that being
like, that's what strength feelslike.
That's what real strength is, iswhere you are just in your
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power, like 100% in your power.
And yeah, I felt like asuperhero and it was amazing.
And that is what.
The Leo Dart man that we justwere in was about finding and
sitting in is your sovereignty,sitting in your sovereignty and
really feeling how powerful andstrong you are.
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And I think that is key at themoment.
We need to tune into ourstrength because the world is
definitely trying to train youto feel scared.
And it, it is all made up andthat's why I keep coming back to
you.
You know, all of these realitiesthat we dip into and look into
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that I find fascinating and thatI've enjoyed exploring.
And then these things like thisbook, the Material World where
there's the reality of thematerials that mine, that we
need to mine in order to makeall the things that we make, but
we don't, that we don't includethem in.
The country's accounting.
(39:33):
We are not adding into that.
The raw materials plus the,damage that's being done or the
cost that's being done to theland or any of these things, you
know, we are not.
Dealing with the actual coldhard truth of the reality of
what we're doing.
And if we do, if it's, in onecountry, we'll be like, oh, we
(39:53):
no longer do this.
But that's because it's allhappening in another country.
So, yeah.
In, in this, you know, likeSteel Works are no longer in the
uk, but there's somewhere elsewe're still using steel.
We just haven't got all thatpollution and, horrible working
conditions in.
Our country, but they'reelsewhere.
Um, and like the material world,because we're going more and
more digital and we're goingmore like electric car, it's all
(40:15):
meant to be better for theenvironment.
But actually our material usehas gone up in terms of the raw
materials because everything'shaving to be, like, all the
infrastructure's having to berebuilt and created from scratch
because we are now using newtechnology.
So in theory, that should levelout at some point.
At the moment, there's been ahuge rise.
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And yeah, just the numbers he'sgiving in this book do make you
feel pretty hopeless, and it isscary.
It's all very scary.
And so we do need to be strong.
We need to be so strong.
You need to, I personally, Ilike to know the truth about
things.
And when I say the truth, I knowtruth is a slippery fish, but
I'm interested in lifting veils.
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And I suppose, I'm not sayingthat there's any absolute truth
because you keep lifting theveil.
You can lift, you know, that Icould, there could be a a, a
critique book on the book thatI'm reading that's like, yeah,
well, he.
He looks at it from this perperspective because he's a white
middle class male, and becausehe looks at it from this
perspective, he didn't take intoaccount this, and this, and
there could be a really goodcritique on it by someone else
(41:17):
from a different perspective.
And I'd be like, oh yeah, no,you're, oh, wow.
Yeah and it's not that you areright.
Well, you are right.
Everyone's right.
But he was right.
It's just that.
Each veil makes you see thingsdifferently.
Checking yourself, like you needto keep checking yourself with
that.
We are all privileged.
We've all got a level ofprivilege that we can't see.
I'm a white person, like I havethe privilege of that.
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I'm.
I've got a over of my head.
I can eat.
I'm, I am comfortable in thatsense.
There's the privilege of havingthose things.
I've, I've got freedom, I've gota passport.
You know, it's, so many peopledo not have any of those
freedoms.
So many people do not have anyof those freedoms and it's quite
shocking.
Yeah.
And just to see where you are inthe pyramid and to realize that
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you are actually quite high upthat pyramid.
But we need to be strong to feellike in the face of all of this,
that we can make a differenceand that we do have sovereignty
and we have rights, and we arefree.
And that this is all made up andwe do not have to go along with
any of it.
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Obviously when you've got a gunin your face and you're being
taken into a law court andyou're being forced into a
prison cell, it's hard to.
Keep hold of that belief, but atthe same time, sometimes that
has to be done.
Sometimes you have to do that.
Sometimes you have to do that,and sometimes you might be the
one that has to get tortured andmurdered to be one of the ones
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that fought against the thingthat eventually does change.
And that might be what you haveto do.
And are you gonna be one of theresistance?
Are you gonna be one of thepeople that fights the fight?
Or are you gonna be one of thepeople that.
To be fair, whatever you do,whatever you do, you do, you do
whatever you do.
I'm not even saying there's anytruth in any of that.
Everyone plays their part,everyone does their thing.
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The storyline dips and weaves,twists and turns.
Sometimes it's winter and darkand sometimes it's summer and
light and all the shades inbetween.
And you know, it's all just abunch of stuff that happens.
And one day we'll all be rubble'cause the whole world will blow
up.
So, you know, it's, it's just,it's literally just a bunch of
stuff that's happening.
So you.
Pick your own adventure.
You make your own choices.
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You do you.
But be strong.
Be strong in yourself.
Be.
Just be you.
Do it.
Do it your way.
Do whatever you are gonna do.
And that's what I'm doing andI'm sharing my thoughts and my
process and sharing what's goingon as I stumble my way through
this thing called life.
But I'm not saying that there'sany right or wrong thing.
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You just gotta fully owncompass.
And but I'm just saying if yourcompass is saying this is wrong,
then just be brave and don't,don't let yourself be tricked
into thinking that you'rehopeless because you're not.
We can do anything and we couldhave anything, and we can live
this life any way we want, andit doesn't have to follow rules
(44:05):
that were made by someone elsethat suits them.
They can be made anywhere.
You want them to be made andanything is possible and you can
imagine anything and it can bedreamt into being.
So yeah, just be brave, bestrong, be determined, and feel
your sovereignty.
We're all sovereign.
We are all.
Children of this land, we're allmiracles and we're all perfect.
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Whole and complete.
Don't you forget it.
So now for the Chaos Crusade,this week's Chaos Crusade is
inspired by the Ba Luman songwhere sunscreen, which I think I
(44:49):
mentioned recently in a podcast,but it's the.
A song that was a Bible to methroughout my life.
It's been a Bible to me.
That, and the Sandman comicsare, I would say, my Bible.
If you're gonna say, what's theBible of your personal religion?
It's the Sun Sunscreen song andthe sunscreen song's.
My 10 Commandments and theSandman Comics graphic novel
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series is my Bible.
Like my, the bulky bit of theBible and.
In the sunscreen song, it says,do one thing every day that
scares you.
And I do all the time do that.
And when I am scared of doingsomething.
I remember that saying, uh,there's two actually another
it's less of a Bible, but it'smy favorite book that I've read
(45:33):
the most times.
And that's my family and otheranimals.
And I love Gerald Durl and Ilove that I'm kind of in Gerald
Dal's world a little bit here inthe Channel Islands.
His zoo is over in Jersey.
He's, yeah, he's a known personaround here, whereas like in the
UK I could talk about him andpeople wouldn't know who I was
talking about.
They didn't necessarily know whohe was unless you were my age.
'cause there was a TV series,uh, that I loved.
(45:54):
When that came out, but I justlove that book.
It's such a brilliant book.
I'm gonna give it another readagain soon'cause it's just
beautiful and.
In it.
His sister is, uh, Margot andshe gets sayings wrong and one
of her sayings, which is in MyTown Commandments, even though
it's not in the sunscreen song,it's from my family and other
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animals instead.
But it's um, changes as good asa feast and it's meant to be
changes as good as a rest.
But I didn't know that till.
I was much like I was, probablyin my thirties when I found out
that that's what it was meant tobe.
But I also just thought thatdidn't make sense.
'cause the change is as good asa rest.
It's like change is really notrestful.
You know?
(46:35):
Like if you've gotta go and bea, if you've gotta leave your
home and go be a, in like arefugee, like that's not
restful.
That's.
I dunno, changed just, I mean,my life completely changed in
2020.
There wasn't, nothing wasrestful about that.
You know, I walked 500 miles,packed up my flat left.
My ex-husband came here, had tomeet people and get to know
(46:56):
people by going out andsocializing and unpack my house
and find things to put in myhouse.
Like the, nothing about that wasa rest.
It was yeah, I don't find itrestful, um, change.
I find it extremely.
Nourishing though, and deliciousand just yummy and scrummy like
a feast.
So I think it makes much moresense that change as good as a
(47:17):
feast.
But yeah, when I dunno what todo and I'm in a situation where
I'm like, ah, shit, first ofall, I'm like, a change is as
good as a feast.
So if it's, if the choices arelike this or this, I will go
with the one.
That's the biggest change.
Also to always remember there'sthe third way that betw the two.
And the third way's, often, the,the right way.
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So if you're ever like this orthis, stop and think about
what's the third way that'sanother thing to do.
But yeah, doing something thatscares you, it's just a good
thing to do.
So like I was scared of heights,but then I started doing co
steering and I loved it.
I sang at the old island halllast week.
On the open mic night and I amterrified of singing in public
(47:59):
and I'm a really dreadfulsinger, but I rewrote the words
to park life with Sark life andit was very funny if I do say so
myself.
And I sang that and everyonejoined in'cause everyone was
like, Hey, park Life, Sark Life,everyone joined in with it.
And that was fun and I overcamemy fear and I'm gonna do it
again tomorrow night orWednesday.
And it's just a fun thing to dois challenge yourself.
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And the more you do it, the moreyou realize that.
The ground didn't swallow youup, that you survived, that
you're still here and you liveto tell another tale, live
another day.
It's okay.
And it's one of the things thatI learned from doing falling.
I did so many embarrassing andhumiliating performances and
falling.
And I'm still here andeverything's fine, and I'm
(48:42):
still, an artist and I'm stillperforming on the stage.
It's cool.
No one fricking cares.
Like they really don't.
And yeah, so just do one thingevery day that scares you.
Get yourself outta your comfortzone.
Go do something.
Go do a theater workshop.
Go do a singing course.
Go put yourself out there and dosomething that scares you.
Go do a paragliding course, likewhatever it is, do something
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scary.
Ask that person out, whatever.
Leave that person.
Just do it.
So that's my chaos crusade forthis week.
So that's everything.
That's my thoughts and musings.
Um, I'd be interested to seewhat happens over the next
couple of weeks with thisAquarius Full Moon.
So yeah, let's see.
I shall see you on the otherside and until then, see the
(49:26):
anon now.
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