In this episode of Off the Gravel Road, host Robb Ellis sits down with John Judge, Scout Executive of the Spirit of Adventure Council, former CEO of the Appalachian Mountain Club, and author of The Outdoor Citizen.
From his early days teaching environmental science at camp to leading some of New England’s most respected outdoor organizations, John shares how Scouting builds more than skills — it builds resilience, leadership, and community stewardship.
Together, Robb and John explore the idea of “Outdoor Citizenship” — the belief that spending time in nature creates a responsibility to protect it. They talk about access and equity in the outdoors, the challenges of reaching today’s youth, and how the lessons learned around a campfire prepare young people to lead with kindness in an increasingly digital world.
It’s a conversation about belonging — to the land, to each other, and to something larger than ourselves.
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