March 21, 2025 • 30 mins
Tune in for an insightful episode with Dr. Pete & Pericles Rellas. Focusing on the mind, body, spirit & our financial health will allow us to live the lives we want to live. Pericles Rellas is a money mindset expert known for his innovative approach to helping people realize their fullest potential by resetting their "financial thermostat." Pericles has been a program leader for more than three decades helping tens of thousands of people by empowering people to create their own financial freedom.
Learn more about Pericles here: https://www.periclesrellas.com
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey, welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I'm your host, dr Pete Economo,and I'm happy to be back here
with all of you today.
As you know, we cover lots ofdifferent topics on this show,
and the goal is always to justmake some time and choose to
spend time on yourself.
I believe, in order to livethis balanced life, we all need
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to continually work on ourselvesand push ourselves to achieve
new goals, and, as most of youknow, I come from that mental
mindset as a psychologist, andour guest today is going to
teach us another essentialaspect to overall wellness, and
that's money mindset, which,financial, is definitely a value
that we talk about with clients.
So taking care of yourfinancial health is critical.
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So focusing on mind, body,spirit and our financial health
will allow for us to live thelives we want to live, and so,
with that in mind, I'm going towelcome Perkley's here today,
perkley Rellis to the show.
He is a money mindset expertknown for his innovative
approach to helping peoplerealize their fullest potential
by resetting their financialthermostat.
(01:20):
So, depending on where you arein the world, what's your
temperature?
Perkley's has become a programleader by empowering people to
create their own financialfreedom, and I'm so excited.
So, perkley's, let's get rightinto it.
Tell us a little bit about yourbackground.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, dr Pete.
Well, thanks for having me on,I appreciate it.
It's been about 30 years sinceI started down this path of
doing what I do, and itoriginally started as a business
coach.
And it originally started as abusiness coach.
I wanted to help people makemore money, but I noticed early
on that, while they were makingmore money, they all exhibited
the same pattern they would makemore money, but they were still
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behind every month.
If they were behind before, orthey were just treading water or
they still had stress andanxiety and worry about money
Well, it didn't make sensebecause they were making more
money.
You think all these thingswould get resolved, but they
didn't.
And it was across the board.
Everybody was having the sameexperience.
So I thought, okay, something'sgot to be going on here.
I started studying it and overthe next two and a half years, I
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discovered a couple of things.
One is that we all havesomething what I call a
financial thermostat.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's your money mindset.
I love that.
I can't wait to hear more aboutthat.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, your financial thermostat it's kind of a sexier
way of putting it and two werethe four keys to resetting our
financial thermostats.
And so I started implementingthis with the people I was
working with at the time and theresults were extraordinary.
And they're like oh, so-and-sowants to work with you and
so-and-so wants to work with you, and it kind of organically
grew into this whole new area offocus and from that point on I
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really can started to considermyself as a money mindset expert
.
And then from that point, whichis about 25 years now, I
discovered that's a veryspiritual side to this as well.
And one of the things Irealized is that money, our
relationship with money, isactually a reflection of our
relationship with ourselves andthe world around us and that as
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we start to delve into thatrelationship and we uncover it,
we create a new relationship.
Our relationship with ourselfand the world around us
transforms and suddenly we findwe're.
We have a better understandingof who we are.
We have a better understandingof what we want and the path to
travel to get to where we want.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I love that.
Now in psychology we say peoplehave seven careers.
So, as you, before you startedthat financial thermostat like
how many did you have?
Or were there any other thingsthat you're willing to share?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh, of course, yes, I , I, I.
I come from a theater family,so my mom and dad were both in
entertainment industry.
Dad was a writer for television, mom was a singer on Broadway
and then moved to California.
She spent time taking care ofthe kids and my dad continued to
write.
So for me it was okay.
I was going to be in showbusiness and in college that's
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what I studied and out ofcollege started working as an
equity production stage managerand then moved into company
management.
I did that for many, many years, really fell in love with it
and then got to a place where Iwas just done.
It had run its course and thenI met someone.
We started a business togetherand it was a private jewelry
design house.
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For many, many years we workedwith celebrities and we worked
with A-list, you know, businessowners and billionaires, and it
was just a real.
We had just all sorts ofclients.
It was really great.
We had people from all over theworld and I loved that.
And then that completed and Istarted on.
I'd been working on this pathin the at the during that time
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as well, but I think in 1994 iswhen I really started the
self-exploration looking inwardversus looking outward, and
that's where this final path andjourney has finally come.
So I think, what was that?
Maybe three or four.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I love that.
Yeah, that's really cool.
And you know I was actuallyjust saying this with my team
the other day that a lot of lifeis theatrical and I know that
sounds terrible, but like, evenas a psychologist, like like
sometimes it's just a show andlisteners might not totally get
that, but you know you have tobe animated, you have to really
just like connect.
And you know I love what youguys do in the arts where you're
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just trying to understand, likeyourself, to be able to be that
.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
you know that character, if you will, right,
yeah and and I think what you'retouching on, dr pete's really
especially in today's socialmedia world and reality TV world
, where I think that there's abreak now for people where they
don't know where that line isbetween reality and fiction.
And so we look at and watchreality TV and we think, well,
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that's how life is, that's nothow life is, that's that's
entertainment.
Or we watch people on socialmedia and this starts to bring
it into the money conversation.
We watch people on social mediawho want people to think that
they're these rich jet setterswho just got all this money.
And it's just a facade, it's apersonality that they're putting
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on or a character that they'vecreated.
And that's not all of them, butthe majority of them don't have
any money.
What they're doing is goinginto debt so that people think
that they're wealthy.
And the conversation shift thatI'm interested in is are you
interested in actually movingfrom going into debt to have
wealth or to look like you havewealth to actually having wealth
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and not caring about what otherpeople think about you?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's deep that is deep apparently so the way you
came with financial thermostat.
We've already mentioned that abunch of times.
It's interesting, so can youshare a bit about how you came
to the concept of financialthermostat?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, it started as I think I defined it as a
condition around money.
This was your condition aroundmoney, and I I know it resonated
, or it spoke with the peoplethat I was working with at the
time.
But then, as the conversationstarted to expand, I realized
there there's there are moresubtleties to this, and I want
to also use something thatpeople can relate to.
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We all know what a thermostatis.
We've all worked with onebefore, whether it's in our
house or on the oven or in thecar, and it's designed to
regulate something thetemperature, and that's all it
does.
It doesn't think, it doesn'tstrategize, it just knows the
room is set at 72.
That's what I do.
If the room starts to dropbelow that, I'm going to turn
the heat on.
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If the room goes above that,I'm going to turn the AC on.
I'm going to maintain that 72.
And our financial thermostat isexactly the same way.
The problem is we don't know.
It's there, and so it regulateshow much money we can earn.
It regulates how much money wecan keep, and it also regulates
our thoughts, feelings andemotions around money.
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So if you're someone who'sthinking, well, what's my
financial thermostat setting,just look at how life is for you
?
Are you limited to how much youcan make, no matter how hard
you try, or you are able to earnmore, but it always disappears?
That's your financialthermostat setting,
re-regulating it.
Same thing with thoughts,feelings and emotions.
It's one of the reasons themajority of lotto winners go
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bankrupt within the first fiveor seven years.
It's because their financialthermostat setting is not at a
place where they can manage thatkind of money.
So it kicks on, they startdisappearing money and all of a
sudden they're broke.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, you know you're touching on like earning power
and it's something I do a lotwith, like performance work.
You know working with portfoliomanagers in the hedge fund
world and trying to understandthe balance and what's important
to them.
You know, I find that thisthermostat just keeps moving.
You know you talk about likethe heat and the air.
I mean that's because of whereyou live.
You know that never happenshere in New Jersey.
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You know, we've got one speedright now.
We've got the heat and there'sno air coming on Right, but
you've got those nice coolnights where you might need both
in the same day.
But you know the idea of valuesand so, um, that's why this is
important.
And, uh, you know some of thehow's the psychologist talking
about this?
Well, financial literacy.
We do a lot with athletes.
You know athletes that get areally large.
You know first, first roundcontract.
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You know who's there to helpthem with that, and similar to
your lotto winners.
So, right, and you're talkingabout thoughts, feelings,
emotions.
I love that.
You call that the money hamsterwheel, and so I want you to.
I want you to explain that toour listeners.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, there, you know .
There are a lot of people there.
Oh, I make plenty of money, Iknow how to make plenty of money
, I know how to save plenty ofmoney.
But what?
When they start to look at it,they realize I have no sense of
fulfillment, I have no sense ofjoy in my life, I have no sense
of enough in my life.
I'm driven on that hamsterwheel to make more, to make more
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, to make more.
So I'll be happy or I'll findlove, or I'll have that
satisfaction or security orwhatever it is.
And it's no, that's not whatmoney can provide.
And so we start to look at wow,I'm able to earn a lot, I'm
able to keep a lot, but mythoughts, feelings and emotions,
that setting I need to relookat, because I'm never happy or
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content.
And we can then jump off thathamster wheel and find ourselves
in a place of wow, I actuallyhave enough.
I have this sense ofsatisfaction and peace and joy
in my life.
Now, that doesn't mean that younever make more money or that
you don't set new goals.
It just means that theintention for that goal is
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different.
Suddenly, more money comes intoyour life and you're like wow,
what am I really going to dowith this?
What am I going to choose to dowith this?
Rather than it's not fillingthat bottomless pit, I keep
dumping more money into it, Ikeep making more money and I'm
still unsatisfied, I'm stillunfulfilled.
We can then fill that hole andit's not the money that's
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filling it, it's actuallyourselves.
We find that that love comesfrom here, that joy, that
satisfaction comes from within.
And when we've got that,suddenly the experience of
having more money, having morethings, totally different.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, all right.
God, you sound like apsychologist.
You know it's value-basedliving and I I one of the ways
that I frame it and the work Ido is, uh, it's a moving finish
line and so, like, especially innew york, like people are the,
the high performers I work withare they'll have a goal once
they reach it.
It's not enough, and thenthey're going to another one,
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you know, and they're not happy,like you just said or they're
not able to even enjoy theirmoney.
So it's like cool, you're tohave $20 million when you're
about to die in the bank.
And for what?
And maybe it's for yourchildren, and that's cool If
that's your value, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But did you miss out on your children growing up?
Did they miss out on having youin their life?
Did your spouse miss out onhaving you there and did you
miss out on being there withyour spouse?
And this is the reallyimportant thing is, we're on the
journey far longer than we areat the destination.
So are you going to actuallyenjoy the journey or are you
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going to suffer along thejourney?
Hit the destination, then findout wow, it's still like ash in
my mouth.
I need to get on another journeythat I'm going to then suffer
through and then, like you said,we're on our deathbed and it's
like okay, what was it all for?
Is it leaving that legacy?
Is that enough?
Did you give up that life?
Like they say, you know we onlydie once, but people miss the
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opportunity to live their entirelives, and so we want to bring
that experience to our, our lifenow, rather than waiting to get
somewhere.
I can't tell you how manypeople I've I've worked with who
are like well, if I just get tothis number, I'll be happy.
They hit the number and, likeyou said, they're not happy
because it's not the number thatwill make them happy.
It's something inside of them,and that's where this discovery
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is so extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
In the sports world we say the journey is the
destination, so I love that yousaid that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, that is it Absolutely.
It's a great way of putting it,yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Once you land somewhere, you're moving to the
next thing, and that's themindfulness-based approach too,
right, all you have is now, andso I believe in.
I mean, I'm not a financialperson, but I believe in.
If you want to, you know, leavemoney for your children or
something, do it while they'realive, too Like.
And if you want to you know,help them buy that first house
or second house or an investment, or you know if that's where
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you're at in that.
So, um, pericles, how did yourupbringing affect this?
You know so like, can you talka little bit about you know how
you landed here, with your ownrelationship and your view of
money.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, you know it's interesting.
I can honestly say that myupbringing didn't impact the
work that I'm doing, but myupbringing was something that
benefited from the work that I'mdoing now.
In other words, I could startto see all the blocks in the
flow of money that I had.
I could see where my financialthermostat setting was as a
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result of when I was a kid and agreat example, when I was six
years old I think it was I'mgoing to date myself here.
We were watching a show calledLifestyles of the Rich and
Famous and it was all about, youknow, a different expose on
different families that werewealthy, but this particular one
was about this wealthy familyand their lives were just in
shambles.
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Tatters, trying to combine twowords at once.
It was just a disaster, right.
And I remember, at the end ofthe episode, my mom saying very
nonchalantly she had no agenda,just very casually I never want
to have that much money, you'lllose your whole family.
Yeah, and in that instant thatsix-year-old boy decided
thermostat setting, never maketoo much money because you'll
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lose your whole family.
And that literally ran myfinancial journey up until I
then discovered and created thiseducation and I was able to
clear that block out.
And then I was, oh my gosh,I've got this financial ceiling
and this is where it came from.
I was able to clear it and thenthe sky's the limit and same
thing around.
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There was another conversationabout it's always something.
Mom used to say that all thetime.
Conversation about it's alwayssomething.
Mom used to say that all thetime.
Oh, it's always something.
And I would work with peopleand see, like, no matter how
much money they made, somethingwould show up and take that
money away.
And clearing that block out wasagain something that empowered
me and allowed me to go to thenext level.
So our past definitely impactstheir generational money
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mindsets or generationalfinancial thermostats.
We raise our children inside ofthe conversations we have around
money, and so our children takethose on, embody them and then
pass them on to their children.
And so at some point we want tonotice it.
We have to move from thatsurvival part of our brain or
that automatronic part of ourbrain to the frontal cortex,
where we've got that criticalthinking.
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And once we start bringing thatcritical thinking, we start
breaking those old neuralpathways which have been running
, firing, wiring together forages and suddenly we create
something new.
We create a new neural pathway,and that new neural pathway is
nascent and it comes from, andis nourished from, our heart.
And when we say you know whatMoney flows to me easily and
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abundantly every single day,that's a whole new way of
thinking.
It's a whole new neural pathway, but it's a baby.
We need to nurture it, we needto nourish it, we need to focus
on it, we need to love it, andwe can only do that from our
heart.
And when we do that, it becomesover time the predominant
conversation that we have,rather than money's the root of
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all evil, or you'll lose yourwhole family if you make a lot
of money.
So this journey is one of, Iguess you could say.
There's psychology to it, butthere's also energetics to it.
There's, you know, dr JoeDispenza, the law of attraction.
There are a lot of differentmodalities that you could apply
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this to, but it all comes downto one thing we are the source
of all that we have, and that'sthe bad news.
And the good news is, becausewe are the source of all that we
have, we can change who we areand create a whole new world
it's, uh, it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I was just the.
The word in my head wasspiritual uh and so that I love
that you went to the energeticthing.
Cause it it that felt veryspiritual to me.
And I so is it spiritual orlike your own spiritual journey?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I think it depends on the person, and that's the cool
part is there are some peoplethey're they're religious, some
people are spiritual, somepeople are not either of those
things.
And you can apply this from ascientific basis.
You can apply it to just neuralpathways.
You've been having these neuralpathways firing and wiring
together for ages.
Now we're going to break thosenew neural pathways and, from a
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brain science, that's what we'regoing to start focusing on.
Then you start looking at theenergetics of it.
It's like you know what?
Yeah, I'm going to feel acertain way, my vibrational
frequency is going to shift andI'm going to attract like
vibrational frequencies whichare consistent with what it is
I'm committed to.
Or you're going to have aspiritual conversation where I'm
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going to connect with my higherself and I'm going to allow my
higher self to source me as Istart to create and build the
world that I'm living in.
There's no one right answer foreveryone.
There's only the right answerfor you right now, and whatever
that is, find it, grab a hold ofit, pull it towards you and run
it till its course is over.
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That right answer, which mightbe right for you now, might run
its course and you may find wow,this isn't doing it for me
anymore.
Great, let it go.
Thank it, be grateful for it.
Find something else, because aswe progress on this journey, we
get more mature, we get wiser,and the things that worked for
us in the past may not work forus now.
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So find that new thing foryourself.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
The idea of the six-year-old Pericles watching
Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous.
I love that.
And for the younger listeners,that would be like MTV Cribs
today, because people have thisfantasy of what it brings, what
it means to have a ton of money,and I mean I see it all the
time.
And so what would you for thepeople that are sort of chasing
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that moving finish line on thehamster wheel, other than the
thermostat, the spiritual stufflike it's a lot like, I guess I
wonder when they come to you,are they just like you know?
How do you get them to see thatthis is relevant versus like
this?
You know this is spiritual andsounds like this guy?
You know, because I know you,you read, uh, you referenced, uh
, joe espinoza and like theneurology of a lot of this stuff
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, which I love that you did that.
And when you like law ofattraction, uh, got some
attention with the secret, youknow right, and oprah and um,
the idea of like you know it'snot, like you're just going to
close your eyes and spirituallythink about this thermostat all
of a sudden have a bank accountexactly where you want it to be
correct.
You know that's not how itworks it does require something.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It's a shift that can happen very quickly.
The shift happens, but it'skind of like turning the wheel
on the Titanic.
The wheel gets turned, theshift happens quickly, but it
takes a little bit of time forthe boat to actually move.
Same thing from a energeticthought to manifesting in the
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physical world is matter.
Those things take a little bitof time, and I think that's
where a lot of people getfrustrated.
You know they're they'rethinking and they're feeling and
they're working, but the seedisn't sprouting.
And so they ended up digging upthe seed to see what's at and
they've killed it, or they giveup on the seed.
It's never going to sprout.
Or here's what I find mostlyPeople who are trying to
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manifest, people who are tryingto use visualization.
They're doing programs thatthey love and they really are
following the instructions andthey're doing it to a T, but
it's not working.
And here's why I think for mostpeople it's not working.
Okay, I'm going gonna make alot of money.
I'm gonna make a lot of money.
Yeah, but you're too stupid.
I'm gonna make a lot of money,I'm gonna make a lot of money.
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You know, it'll never happenfor you.
You're not educated.
That little voice that's thereinner critic is exactly that
inner critic is poison.
yeah, anything we try to buildon top of it.
It's like having a ricketyfoundation and building a house
on top of it.
It's like having a ricketyfoundation and building a house
on top of it it's going tocollapse.
I love to say you know, here'sa mud pie.
Nobody would eat a mud pie.
(20:44):
Well, okay, I'm just going toput icing on the mud pie.
That's going to make it allbetter.
Now, will you eat it?
No, we wouldn't eat it.
Well, that negative thought willpoison anything you're trying
to build on top of it.
And so we can then clear thosenegative thoughts by using a
very simple four-step processthat I've created.
One is you've got to notice it.
You've got to recognize it andacknowledge it.
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You don't have to give it awhat's the word I'm looking for.
You don't have to give itagreement, you don't have to
validate it, you just have toacknowledge that it's there.
Wow, I've had this conversationsince I was six years old that
I'm going to lose my wholefamily if I make a lot of money.
Okay, I can own that.
I've had that conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Step number one.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, notice, it Brings it from this part of our
brain to the frontal cortex.
We're now bringing criticalthinking to it.
Second thing is I'm going tolet that conversation go.
I'm going to say out loud Irelease this conversation.
I let go of this conversation.
It no longer has dominion overme, it no longer has permission
to be in my space.
I turn it over to a higherpower.
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It could be God, could be theuniverse, could be just whatever
you want.
It doesn't make any difference.
But you've got to let it go andlet it go, and you keep saying
that until you feel it.
You kind of like, wow, I canfeel a little bit of relief or a
little bit of release.
It's going away.
Then in that moment, yeah, whatis money for you now?
Money flows to me easily andabundantly every single day
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that's one of the ones I createdfor myself.
Yeah, in that space, in thatmoment money is moved from,
you're going to lose your wholefamily.
To now, no, you know what moneyflows to me easily and
abundantly every single day.
That's the third step.
Now the fourth, and you have tofeel it.
It's not just saying something.
If steps one and steps two,you're not feeling that sense of
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release, don't do step threeyet Keep saying it until you
feel that like, okay, even alittle bit, oh, wow, I felt a
little bit Great.
Now, what is money for you?
Now you're going to write thatthing down.
Don't write a novel, don'twrite a trilogy.
It's a very short sentence, twoor three words.
And then you've got to feel itin your heart.
You've got to feel it's likewhen we smile, we see somebody
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we love, our whole energy shifts.
You want to have that kind offeeling around it and write it
down, put it by your bed, put iton your computer, put it on
your mirror in the bathroom andyou want to get present to it
every single day, throughout theday.
Now, the fourth step is now goout into the world and watch for
it showing up.
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Watch for it and acknowledge itwhen it shows up oh, there's a
penny on the ground, that'smoney flowing to me easily and
abundantly every single day.
Now here's what a lot of peoplewill do oh, I'd never pick up a
penny, I only want the $100bills.
Great, you've just shifted yourenergetic frequency.
You just said I don't want moremoney, I only want a certain
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thing, because a penny is moremoney.
If I give you a penny right now, you're a penny richer than you
were a minute ago or a secondago.
Acknowledging that penny isacknowledging money flowing into
your life.
I one year found almost $800 infound money in the course of a
year just going through my life,because money flows to me
easily and abundantly everysingle day.
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That's just found money.
So wherever it shows up,acknowledge it, even if it's
somebody talking about a newbusiness opportunity.
Not for you, but you know what?
I'm going to engage in thisconversation and I'm going to
express gratitude for theopportunity that was just put in
front of me, even though atthis stage I'm going to pass on
it because it's not the rightthing for me.
But thank you for showing methat money flows to me easily
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and abundantly every single day,and keep doing that throughout
the day, throughout the week,throughout the month, and you
will start to see a shift inyour life.
You'll start to see a shift inhow money flows to you.
Now, that old conversation,it's never going to go away
forever.
It will show up, step one, twoand three, all over again and it
will get quieter and quieterand quieter and less dominant
(24:44):
and less frequent.
And you will notice that thisnew conversation, that money
flows to me easily andabundantly every single day,
becomes the predominantconversation of your life and
that's what will start tomanifest.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I love that.
I mean, I feel like that mantrais in my head now.
I think listeners are just, youknow, just, it's beautiful,
it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Thank you for that You're welcome to it.
Yes, you're welcome to it.
Take it, it's all yours.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So to create this money, mindset, what would you
say, are like three things thatpeople can do.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So these four steps are great, these four steps,
absolutely.
I think.
The next thing is you want tostart looking at my relationship
to money, because most peoplewe don't even think about it.
In today's day and and age, wealmost never interact with cash.
Everything's tapping on ourphones or using a card a debit
card or credit card or somethinglike that.
Even in the casinos in vegas,where I live, you can go to
(25:34):
machines and never interact withcash right, they're all little
tickets that are going.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
It's crazy that also really fosters this whole issue
with gambling, but that's adifferent topic but a whole
different conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
But it allows us to be separated from our money much
more easily.
It does, yeah, yeah.
In every situation where.
I don't think oh, I just put ona credit card.
Oh, just tap, there it is.
There, it is Another Starbucks,another this, another that, and
suddenly we're spendinghundreds or thousands of dollars
every single month and we don'teven see the money.
So start to look at where youinteract with money, how you
(26:06):
interact with money.
What are your thoughts,feelings and emotions around
money?
Bring it to the forefront ofyour thought rather than
something we don't think about,we don't even engage with.
Think about it and see whatshows up.
And then I think the thirdthing is I would invite people
to look at it in a new kind offormat or a new dynamic.
In a new kind of format or anew dynamic, like imagine if you
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related to your significantother the way you currently
relate to money.
Yeah, I want more of it now.
Yeah, I want it when I want it.
I don't think about it whenit's not here.
When it, when I get somethingwith it, I don't care.
I want to show it off toeverybody.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So everybody thinks I'm really cool and how awesome
that relationship yeah, thatrelationship would be over in a
nanosecond right.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We would never do.
Well, some people may, but wewould never do that in our
relationship with a significantother.
Now imagine if you actuallystarted to relate to money like,
wow, I want to be a betterperson around money.
I love the fact that money isin my life.
I'm so grateful that money cameinto my life.
I'm thinking about how can Imake this relationship better,
(27:12):
how can I make this relationshiplast forever?
How can I make thisrelationship benefit both of us
and be something that brings mejoy and happiness?
But I'm also clear of what itcan and cannot provide.
I would not ask my significantother to go rebuild the engine
in my car knowing that they'venever even lifted a hood up.
(27:34):
It's just we wouldn't expectour significant other to do
something like that.
Yet we expect money to providethings that it can't.
So the bad news, guys, ismoney's never going to provide
you joy and happiness orfulfillment or security.
Can't do it.
Money can allow you to do thingsthat will bring you joy, but it
will not be a source of joy.
(27:55):
It will not be that sourcefuljoyfulness or happiness or
contentedness.
I have lots of things around methat I love, and when I look at
them, I'm so happy and itbrings me joy, but they are not
the source of happiness and joyin my life.
They're just superficial things.
So start to look at relating tomoney as you would a
significant other.
Start to think about money,actually bring it to the
(28:16):
forefront, and then start tonotice those blocks that you
have around money, thosenegative thoughts or mindsets
around money, and then usingthat four-step process to clear
them out and things will startto alter, I think, very, very
quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Pericles, you have been awesome.
Thank you.
This is really really great andreally just sharing your
financial tips for freedom, andfor me I've always said this
it's about living in a balanced,well-rounded life, and that's
where mindfulness comes in, andreally financial freedom is a
part of that, and we talk aboutthat in the values work that I
do, and so how can our listenersfind you, pericles?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They can go to two places periclesrelliscom or
resetyourfinancialthermostatcom.
They both go to the same place,periclesrelliscom, and right
there on the top of the mainpage is my free masterclass,
which, where I dive into thedetails of the four keys to
resetting your financialthermostat.
Do it for free.
I encourage people, if thisspeaks to you, to take something
(29:14):
on, whether it's my masterclass, which is free again, or
something else, find somethingthat speaks to you so that you
can actually start to alter thisconversation.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
For yourself Awesome.
I know this conversation isreally going to help many
listeners and maybe get off ofthat money hamster wheel and to
change the batteries in thatfinancial thermostat.
So thank you for listeningtoday.
Your support is what makes thisshow possible and I'm grateful
to share in these weeklypodcasts with all of you.
So if you have any show topicideas or want to explore with us
(29:42):
, please head on over toofficialdrpetecom and you can
share with us these ideas.
We will see you back here nextweek, so until then, spread a
little kindness and stay wellyou.
Hey, welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I'm your host, dr Pete Economo,and I'm happy to be back here
with all of you today.
As you know, we cover lots ofdifferent topics on this show,
and the goal is always to justmake some time and choose to
spend time on yourself.
I believe, in order to livethis balanced life, we all need
(00:38):
to continually work on ourselvesand push ourselves to achieve
new goals, and, as most of youknow, I come from that mental
mindset as a psychologist, andour guest today is going to
teach us another essentialaspect to overall wellness, and
that's money mindset, which,financial, is definitely a value
that we talk about with clients.
So taking care of yourfinancial health is critical.
(00:59):
So focusing on mind, body,spirit and our financial health
will allow for us to live thelives we want to live, and so,
with that in mind, I'm going towelcome Perkley's here today,
perkley Rellis to the show.
He is a money mindset expertknown for his innovative
approach to helping peoplerealize their fullest potential
by resetting their financialthermostat.
(01:20):
So, depending on where you arein the world, what's your
temperature?
Perkley's has become a programleader by empowering people to
create their own financialfreedom, and I'm so excited.
So, perkley's, let's get rightinto it.
Tell us a little bit about yourbackground.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, dr Pete.
Well, thanks for having me on,I appreciate it.
It's been about 30 years sinceI started down this path of
doing what I do, and itoriginally started as a business
coach.
And it originally started as abusiness coach.
I wanted to help people makemore money, but I noticed early
on that, while they were makingmore money, they all exhibited
the same pattern they would makemore money, but they were still
(01:53):
behind every month.
If they were behind before, orthey were just treading water or
they still had stress andanxiety and worry about money
Well, it didn't make sensebecause they were making more
money.
You think all these thingswould get resolved, but they
didn't.
And it was across the board.
Everybody was having the sameexperience.
So I thought, okay, something'sgot to be going on here.
I started studying it and overthe next two and a half years, I
(02:15):
discovered a couple of things.
One is that we all havesomething what I call a
financial thermostat.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's your money mindset.
I love that.
I can't wait to hear more aboutthat.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, your financial thermostat it's kind of a sexier
way of putting it and two werethe four keys to resetting our
financial thermostats.
And so I started implementingthis with the people I was
working with at the time and theresults were extraordinary.
And they're like oh, so-and-sowants to work with you and
so-and-so wants to work with you, and it kind of organically
grew into this whole new area offocus and from that point on I
(02:47):
really can started to considermyself as a money mindset expert
.
And then from that point, whichis about 25 years now, I
discovered that's a veryspiritual side to this as well.
And one of the things Irealized is that money, our
relationship with money, isactually a reflection of our
relationship with ourselves andthe world around us and that as
(03:07):
we start to delve into thatrelationship and we uncover it,
we create a new relationship.
Our relationship with ourselfand the world around us
transforms and suddenly we findwe're.
We have a better understandingof who we are.
We have a better understandingof what we want and the path to
travel to get to where we want.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I love that.
Now in psychology we say peoplehave seven careers.
So, as you, before you startedthat financial thermostat like
how many did you have?
Or were there any other thingsthat you're willing to share?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh, of course, yes, I , I, I.
I come from a theater family,so my mom and dad were both in
entertainment industry.
Dad was a writer for television, mom was a singer on Broadway
and then moved to California.
She spent time taking care ofthe kids and my dad continued to
write.
So for me it was okay.
I was going to be in showbusiness and in college that's
(03:58):
what I studied and out ofcollege started working as an
equity production stage managerand then moved into company
management.
I did that for many, many years, really fell in love with it
and then got to a place where Iwas just done.
It had run its course and thenI met someone.
We started a business togetherand it was a private jewelry
design house.
(04:18):
For many, many years we workedwith celebrities and we worked
with A-list, you know, businessowners and billionaires, and it
was just a real.
We had just all sorts ofclients.
It was really great.
We had people from all over theworld and I loved that.
And then that completed and Istarted on.
I'd been working on this pathin the at the during that time
(04:39):
as well, but I think in 1994 iswhen I really started the
self-exploration looking inwardversus looking outward, and
that's where this final path andjourney has finally come.
So I think, what was that?
Maybe three or four.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I love that.
Yeah, that's really cool.
And you know I was actuallyjust saying this with my team
the other day that a lot of lifeis theatrical and I know that
sounds terrible, but like, evenas a psychologist, like like
sometimes it's just a show andlisteners might not totally get
that, but you know you have tobe animated, you have to really
just like connect.
And you know I love what youguys do in the arts where you're
(05:12):
just trying to understand, likeyourself, to be able to be that
.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
you know that character, if you will, right,
yeah and and I think what you'retouching on, dr pete's really
especially in today's socialmedia world and reality TV world
, where I think that there's abreak now for people where they
don't know where that line isbetween reality and fiction.
And so we look at and watchreality TV and we think, well,
(05:38):
that's how life is, that's nothow life is, that's that's
entertainment.
Or we watch people on socialmedia and this starts to bring
it into the money conversation.
We watch people on social mediawho want people to think that
they're these rich jet setterswho just got all this money.
And it's just a facade, it's apersonality that they're putting
(05:59):
on or a character that they'vecreated.
And that's not all of them, butthe majority of them don't have
any money.
What they're doing is goinginto debt so that people think
that they're wealthy.
And the conversation shift thatI'm interested in is are you
interested in actually movingfrom going into debt to have
wealth or to look like you havewealth to actually having wealth
(06:21):
and not caring about what otherpeople think about you?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's deep that is deep apparently so the way you
came with financial thermostat.
We've already mentioned that abunch of times.
It's interesting, so can youshare a bit about how you came
to the concept of financialthermostat?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, it started as I think I defined it as a
condition around money.
This was your condition aroundmoney, and I I know it resonated
, or it spoke with the peoplethat I was working with at the
time.
But then, as the conversationstarted to expand, I realized
there there's there are moresubtleties to this, and I want
to also use something thatpeople can relate to.
(06:59):
We all know what a thermostatis.
We've all worked with onebefore, whether it's in our
house or on the oven or in thecar, and it's designed to
regulate something thetemperature, and that's all it
does.
It doesn't think, it doesn'tstrategize, it just knows the
room is set at 72.
That's what I do.
If the room starts to dropbelow that, I'm going to turn
the heat on.
(07:19):
If the room goes above that,I'm going to turn the AC on.
I'm going to maintain that 72.
And our financial thermostat isexactly the same way.
The problem is we don't know.
It's there, and so it regulateshow much money we can earn.
It regulates how much money wecan keep, and it also regulates
our thoughts, feelings andemotions around money.
(07:40):
So if you're someone who'sthinking, well, what's my
financial thermostat setting,just look at how life is for you
?
Are you limited to how much youcan make, no matter how hard
you try, or you are able to earnmore, but it always disappears?
That's your financialthermostat setting,
re-regulating it.
Same thing with thoughts,feelings and emotions.
It's one of the reasons themajority of lotto winners go
(08:02):
bankrupt within the first fiveor seven years.
It's because their financialthermostat setting is not at a
place where they can manage thatkind of money.
So it kicks on, they startdisappearing money and all of a
sudden they're broke.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, you know you're touching on like earning power
and it's something I do a lotwith, like performance work.
You know working with portfoliomanagers in the hedge fund
world and trying to understandthe balance and what's important
to them.
You know, I find that thisthermostat just keeps moving.
You know you talk about likethe heat and the air.
I mean that's because of whereyou live.
You know that never happenshere in New Jersey.
(08:35):
You know, we've got one speedright now.
We've got the heat and there'sno air coming on Right, but
you've got those nice coolnights where you might need both
in the same day.
But you know the idea of valuesand so, um, that's why this is
important.
And, uh, you know some of thehow's the psychologist talking
about this?
Well, financial literacy.
We do a lot with athletes.
You know athletes that get areally large.
You know first, first roundcontract.
(08:56):
You know who's there to helpthem with that, and similar to
your lotto winners.
So, right, and you're talkingabout thoughts, feelings,
emotions.
I love that.
You call that the money hamsterwheel, and so I want you to.
I want you to explain that toour listeners.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, there, you know .
There are a lot of people there.
Oh, I make plenty of money, Iknow how to make plenty of money
, I know how to save plenty ofmoney.
But what?
When they start to look at it,they realize I have no sense of
fulfillment, I have no sense ofjoy in my life, I have no sense
of enough in my life.
I'm driven on that hamsterwheel to make more, to make more
(09:30):
, to make more.
So I'll be happy or I'll findlove, or I'll have that
satisfaction or security orwhatever it is.
And it's no, that's not whatmoney can provide.
And so we start to look at wow,I'm able to earn a lot, I'm
able to keep a lot, but mythoughts, feelings and emotions,
that setting I need to relookat, because I'm never happy or
(09:50):
content.
And we can then jump off thathamster wheel and find ourselves
in a place of wow, I actuallyhave enough.
I have this sense ofsatisfaction and peace and joy
in my life.
Now, that doesn't mean that younever make more money or that
you don't set new goals.
It just means that theintention for that goal is
(10:11):
different.
Suddenly, more money comes intoyour life and you're like wow,
what am I really going to dowith this?
What am I going to choose to dowith this?
Rather than it's not fillingthat bottomless pit, I keep
dumping more money into it, Ikeep making more money and I'm
still unsatisfied, I'm stillunfulfilled.
We can then fill that hole andit's not the money that's
(10:35):
filling it, it's actuallyourselves.
We find that that love comesfrom here, that joy, that
satisfaction comes from within.
And when we've got that,suddenly the experience of
having more money, having morethings, totally different.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, all right.
God, you sound like apsychologist.
You know it's value-basedliving and I I one of the ways
that I frame it and the work Ido is, uh, it's a moving finish
line and so, like, especially innew york, like people are the,
the high performers I work withare they'll have a goal once
they reach it.
It's not enough, and thenthey're going to another one,
(11:09):
you know, and they're not happy,like you just said or they're
not able to even enjoy theirmoney.
So it's like cool, you're tohave $20 million when you're
about to die in the bank.
And for what?
And maybe it's for yourchildren, and that's cool If
that's your value, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But did you miss out on your children growing up?
Did they miss out on having youin their life?
Did your spouse miss out onhaving you there and did you
miss out on being there withyour spouse?
And this is the reallyimportant thing is, we're on the
journey far longer than we areat the destination.
So are you going to actuallyenjoy the journey or are you
(11:46):
going to suffer along thejourney?
Hit the destination, then findout wow, it's still like ash in
my mouth.
I need to get on another journeythat I'm going to then suffer
through and then, like you said,we're on our deathbed and it's
like okay, what was it all for?
Is it leaving that legacy?
Is that enough?
Did you give up that life?
Like they say, you know we onlydie once, but people miss the
(12:10):
opportunity to live their entirelives, and so we want to bring
that experience to our, our lifenow, rather than waiting to get
somewhere.
I can't tell you how manypeople I've I've worked with who
are like well, if I just get tothis number, I'll be happy.
They hit the number and, likeyou said, they're not happy
because it's not the number thatwill make them happy.
It's something inside of them,and that's where this discovery
(12:32):
is so extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
In the sports world we say the journey is the
destination, so I love that yousaid that.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, that is it Absolutely.
It's a great way of putting it,yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Once you land somewhere, you're moving to the
next thing, and that's themindfulness-based approach too,
right, all you have is now, andso I believe in.
I mean, I'm not a financialperson, but I believe in.
If you want to, you know, leavemoney for your children or
something, do it while they'realive, too Like.
And if you want to you know,help them buy that first house
or second house or an investment, or you know if that's where
(13:02):
you're at in that.
So, um, pericles, how did yourupbringing affect this?
You know so like, can you talka little bit about you know how
you landed here, with your ownrelationship and your view of
money.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, you know it's interesting.
I can honestly say that myupbringing didn't impact the
work that I'm doing, but myupbringing was something that
benefited from the work that I'mdoing now.
In other words, I could startto see all the blocks in the
flow of money that I had.
I could see where my financialthermostat setting was as a
(13:32):
result of when I was a kid and agreat example, when I was six
years old I think it was I'mgoing to date myself here.
We were watching a show calledLifestyles of the Rich and
Famous and it was all about, youknow, a different expose on
different families that werewealthy, but this particular one
was about this wealthy familyand their lives were just in
shambles.
(13:52):
Tatters, trying to combine twowords at once.
It was just a disaster, right.
And I remember, at the end ofthe episode, my mom saying very
nonchalantly she had no agenda,just very casually I never want
to have that much money, you'lllose your whole family.
Yeah, and in that instant thatsix-year-old boy decided
thermostat setting, never maketoo much money because you'll
(14:12):
lose your whole family.
And that literally ran myfinancial journey up until I
then discovered and created thiseducation and I was able to
clear that block out.
And then I was, oh my gosh,I've got this financial ceiling
and this is where it came from.
I was able to clear it and thenthe sky's the limit and same
thing around.
(14:32):
There was another conversationabout it's always something.
Mom used to say that all thetime.
Conversation about it's alwayssomething.
Mom used to say that all thetime.
Oh, it's always something.
And I would work with peopleand see, like, no matter how
much money they made, somethingwould show up and take that
money away.
And clearing that block out wasagain something that empowered
me and allowed me to go to thenext level.
So our past definitely impactstheir generational money
(14:57):
mindsets or generationalfinancial thermostats.
We raise our children inside ofthe conversations we have around
money, and so our children takethose on, embody them and then
pass them on to their children.
And so at some point we want tonotice it.
We have to move from thatsurvival part of our brain or
that automatronic part of ourbrain to the frontal cortex,
where we've got that criticalthinking.
(15:17):
And once we start bringing thatcritical thinking, we start
breaking those old neuralpathways which have been running
, firing, wiring together forages and suddenly we create
something new.
We create a new neural pathway,and that new neural pathway is
nascent and it comes from, andis nourished from, our heart.
And when we say you know whatMoney flows to me easily and
(15:40):
abundantly every single day,that's a whole new way of
thinking.
It's a whole new neural pathway, but it's a baby.
We need to nurture it, we needto nourish it, we need to focus
on it, we need to love it, andwe can only do that from our
heart.
And when we do that, it becomesover time the predominant
conversation that we have,rather than money's the root of
(16:01):
all evil, or you'll lose yourwhole family if you make a lot
of money.
So this journey is one of, Iguess you could say.
There's psychology to it, butthere's also energetics to it.
There's, you know, dr JoeDispenza, the law of attraction.
There are a lot of differentmodalities that you could apply
(16:24):
this to, but it all comes downto one thing we are the source
of all that we have, and that'sthe bad news.
And the good news is, becausewe are the source of all that we
have, we can change who we areand create a whole new world
it's, uh, it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I was just the.
The word in my head wasspiritual uh and so that I love
that you went to the energeticthing.
Cause it it that felt veryspiritual to me.
And I so is it spiritual orlike your own spiritual journey?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I think it depends on the person, and that's the cool
part is there are some peoplethey're they're religious, some
people are spiritual, somepeople are not either of those
things.
And you can apply this from ascientific basis.
You can apply it to just neuralpathways.
You've been having these neuralpathways firing and wiring
together for ages.
Now we're going to break thosenew neural pathways and, from a
(17:07):
brain science, that's what we'regoing to start focusing on.
Then you start looking at theenergetics of it.
It's like you know what?
Yeah, I'm going to feel acertain way, my vibrational
frequency is going to shift andI'm going to attract like
vibrational frequencies whichare consistent with what it is
I'm committed to.
Or you're going to have aspiritual conversation where I'm
(17:27):
going to connect with my higherself and I'm going to allow my
higher self to source me as Istart to create and build the
world that I'm living in.
There's no one right answer foreveryone.
There's only the right answerfor you right now, and whatever
that is, find it, grab a hold ofit, pull it towards you and run
it till its course is over.
(17:48):
That right answer, which mightbe right for you now, might run
its course and you may find wow,this isn't doing it for me
anymore.
Great, let it go.
Thank it, be grateful for it.
Find something else, because aswe progress on this journey, we
get more mature, we get wiser,and the things that worked for
us in the past may not work forus now.
(18:08):
So find that new thing foryourself.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
The idea of the six-year-old Pericles watching
Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous.
I love that.
And for the younger listeners,that would be like MTV Cribs
today, because people have thisfantasy of what it brings, what
it means to have a ton of money,and I mean I see it all the
time.
And so what would you for thepeople that are sort of chasing
(18:34):
that moving finish line on thehamster wheel, other than the
thermostat, the spiritual stufflike it's a lot like, I guess I
wonder when they come to you,are they just like you know?
How do you get them to see thatthis is relevant versus like
this?
You know this is spiritual andsounds like this guy?
You know, because I know you,you read, uh, you referenced, uh
, joe espinoza and like theneurology of a lot of this stuff
(18:55):
, which I love that you did that.
And when you like law ofattraction, uh, got some
attention with the secret, youknow right, and oprah and um,
the idea of like you know it'snot, like you're just going to
close your eyes and spirituallythink about this thermostat all
of a sudden have a bank accountexactly where you want it to be
correct.
You know that's not how itworks it does require something.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It's a shift that can happen very quickly.
The shift happens, but it'skind of like turning the wheel
on the Titanic.
The wheel gets turned, theshift happens quickly, but it
takes a little bit of time forthe boat to actually move.
Same thing from a energeticthought to manifesting in the
(19:39):
physical world is matter.
Those things take a little bitof time, and I think that's
where a lot of people getfrustrated.
You know they're they'rethinking and they're feeling and
they're working, but the seedisn't sprouting.
And so they ended up digging upthe seed to see what's at and
they've killed it, or they giveup on the seed.
It's never going to sprout.
Or here's what I find mostlyPeople who are trying to
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manifest, people who are tryingto use visualization.
They're doing programs thatthey love and they really are
following the instructions andthey're doing it to a T, but
it's not working.
And here's why I think for mostpeople it's not working.
Okay, I'm going gonna make alot of money.
I'm gonna make a lot of money.
Yeah, but you're too stupid.
I'm gonna make a lot of money,I'm gonna make a lot of money.
(20:23):
You know, it'll never happenfor you.
You're not educated.
That little voice that's thereinner critic is exactly that
inner critic is poison.
yeah, anything we try to buildon top of it.
It's like having a ricketyfoundation and building a house
on top of it.
It's like having a ricketyfoundation and building a house
on top of it it's going tocollapse.
I love to say you know, here'sa mud pie.
Nobody would eat a mud pie.
(20:44):
Well, okay, I'm just going toput icing on the mud pie.
That's going to make it allbetter.
Now, will you eat it?
No, we wouldn't eat it.
Well, that negative thought willpoison anything you're trying
to build on top of it.
And so we can then clear thosenegative thoughts by using a
very simple four-step processthat I've created.
One is you've got to notice it.
You've got to recognize it andacknowledge it.
(21:06):
You don't have to give it awhat's the word I'm looking for.
You don't have to give itagreement, you don't have to
validate it, you just have toacknowledge that it's there.
Wow, I've had this conversationsince I was six years old that
I'm going to lose my wholefamily if I make a lot of money.
Okay, I can own that.
I've had that conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Step number one.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, notice, it Brings it from this part of our
brain to the frontal cortex.
We're now bringing criticalthinking to it.
Second thing is I'm going tolet that conversation go.
I'm going to say out loud Irelease this conversation.
I let go of this conversation.
It no longer has dominion overme, it no longer has permission
to be in my space.
I turn it over to a higherpower.
(21:46):
It could be God, could be theuniverse, could be just whatever
you want.
It doesn't make any difference.
But you've got to let it go andlet it go, and you keep saying
that until you feel it.
You kind of like, wow, I canfeel a little bit of relief or a
little bit of release.
It's going away.
Then in that moment, yeah, whatis money for you now?
Money flows to me easily andabundantly every single day
(22:10):
that's one of the ones I createdfor myself.
Yeah, in that space, in thatmoment money is moved from,
you're going to lose your wholefamily.
To now, no, you know what moneyflows to me easily and
abundantly every single day.
That's the third step.
Now the fourth, and you have tofeel it.
It's not just saying something.
If steps one and steps two,you're not feeling that sense of
(22:31):
release, don't do step threeyet Keep saying it until you
feel that like, okay, even alittle bit, oh, wow, I felt a
little bit Great.
Now, what is money for you?
Now you're going to write thatthing down.
Don't write a novel, don'twrite a trilogy.
It's a very short sentence, twoor three words.
And then you've got to feel itin your heart.
You've got to feel it's likewhen we smile, we see somebody
(22:53):
we love, our whole energy shifts.
You want to have that kind offeeling around it and write it
down, put it by your bed, put iton your computer, put it on
your mirror in the bathroom andyou want to get present to it
every single day, throughout theday.
Now, the fourth step is now goout into the world and watch for
it showing up.
(23:14):
Watch for it and acknowledge itwhen it shows up oh, there's a
penny on the ground, that'smoney flowing to me easily and
abundantly every single day.
Now here's what a lot of peoplewill do oh, I'd never pick up a
penny, I only want the $100bills.
Great, you've just shifted yourenergetic frequency.
You just said I don't want moremoney, I only want a certain
(23:37):
thing, because a penny is moremoney.
If I give you a penny right now, you're a penny richer than you
were a minute ago or a secondago.
Acknowledging that penny isacknowledging money flowing into
your life.
I one year found almost $800 infound money in the course of a
year just going through my life,because money flows to me
easily and abundantly everysingle day.
(23:58):
That's just found money.
So wherever it shows up,acknowledge it, even if it's
somebody talking about a newbusiness opportunity.
Not for you, but you know what?
I'm going to engage in thisconversation and I'm going to
express gratitude for theopportunity that was just put in
front of me, even though atthis stage I'm going to pass on
it because it's not the rightthing for me.
But thank you for showing methat money flows to me easily
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and abundantly every single day,and keep doing that throughout
the day, throughout the week,throughout the month, and you
will start to see a shift inyour life.
You'll start to see a shift inhow money flows to you.
Now, that old conversation,it's never going to go away
forever.
It will show up, step one, twoand three, all over again and it
will get quieter and quieterand quieter and less dominant
(24:44):
and less frequent.
And you will notice that thisnew conversation, that money
flows to me easily andabundantly every single day,
becomes the predominantconversation of your life and
that's what will start tomanifest.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I love that.
I mean, I feel like that mantrais in my head now.
I think listeners are just, youknow, just, it's beautiful,
it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Thank you for that You're welcome to it.
Yes, you're welcome to it.
Take it, it's all yours.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So to create this money, mindset, what would you
say, are like three things thatpeople can do.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So these four steps are great, these four steps,
absolutely.
I think.
The next thing is you want tostart looking at my relationship
to money, because most peoplewe don't even think about it.
In today's day and and age, wealmost never interact with cash.
Everything's tapping on ourphones or using a card a debit
card or credit card or somethinglike that.
Even in the casinos in vegas,where I live, you can go to
(25:34):
machines and never interact withcash right, they're all little
tickets that are going.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
It's crazy that also really fosters this whole issue
with gambling, but that's adifferent topic but a whole
different conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
But it allows us to be separated from our money much
more easily.
It does, yeah, yeah.
In every situation where.
I don't think oh, I just put ona credit card.
Oh, just tap, there it is.
There, it is Another Starbucks,another this, another that, and
suddenly we're spendinghundreds or thousands of dollars
every single month and we don'teven see the money.
So start to look at where youinteract with money, how you
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interact with money.
What are your thoughts,feelings and emotions around
money?
Bring it to the forefront ofyour thought rather than
something we don't think about,we don't even engage with.
Think about it and see whatshows up.
And then I think the thirdthing is I would invite people
to look at it in a new kind offormat or a new dynamic.
In a new kind of format or anew dynamic, like imagine if you
(26:29):
related to your significantother the way you currently
relate to money.
Yeah, I want more of it now.
Yeah, I want it when I want it.
I don't think about it whenit's not here.
When it, when I get somethingwith it, I don't care.
I want to show it off toeverybody.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So everybody thinks I'm really cool and how awesome
that relationship yeah, thatrelationship would be over in a
nanosecond right.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We would never do.
Well, some people may, but wewould never do that in our
relationship with a significantother.
Now imagine if you actuallystarted to relate to money like,
wow, I want to be a betterperson around money.
I love the fact that money isin my life.
I'm so grateful that money cameinto my life.
I'm thinking about how can Imake this relationship better,
(27:12):
how can I make this relationshiplast forever?
How can I make thisrelationship benefit both of us
and be something that brings mejoy and happiness?
But I'm also clear of what itcan and cannot provide.
I would not ask my significantother to go rebuild the engine
in my car knowing that they'venever even lifted a hood up.
(27:34):
It's just we wouldn't expectour significant other to do
something like that.
Yet we expect money to providethings that it can't.
So the bad news, guys, ismoney's never going to provide
you joy and happiness orfulfillment or security.
Can't do it.
Money can allow you to do thingsthat will bring you joy, but it
will not be a source of joy.
(27:55):
It will not be that sourcefuljoyfulness or happiness or
contentedness.
I have lots of things around methat I love, and when I look at
them, I'm so happy and itbrings me joy, but they are not
the source of happiness and joyin my life.
They're just superficial things.
So start to look at relating tomoney as you would a
significant other.
Start to think about money,actually bring it to the
(28:16):
forefront, and then start tonotice those blocks that you
have around money, thosenegative thoughts or mindsets
around money, and then usingthat four-step process to clear
them out and things will startto alter, I think, very, very
quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Pericles, you have been awesome.
Thank you.
This is really really great andreally just sharing your
financial tips for freedom, andfor me I've always said this
it's about living in a balanced,well-rounded life, and that's
where mindfulness comes in, andreally financial freedom is a
part of that, and we talk aboutthat in the values work that I
do, and so how can our listenersfind you, pericles?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They can go to two places periclesrelliscom or
resetyourfinancialthermostatcom.
They both go to the same place,periclesrelliscom, and right
there on the top of the mainpage is my free masterclass,
which, where I dive into thedetails of the four keys to
resetting your financialthermostat.
Do it for free.
I encourage people, if thisspeaks to you, to take something
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on, whether it's my masterclass, which is free again, or
something else, find somethingthat speaks to you so that you
can actually start to alter thisconversation.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
For yourself Awesome.
I know this conversation isreally going to help many
listeners and maybe get off ofthat money hamster wheel and to
change the batteries in thatfinancial thermostat.
So thank you for listeningtoday.
Your support is what makes thisshow possible and I'm grateful
to share in these weeklypodcasts with all of you.
So if you have any show topicideas or want to explore with us
(29:42):
, please head on over toofficialdrpetecom and you can
share with us these ideas.
We will see you back here nextweek, so until then, spread a
little kindness and stay wellyou.
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