April 18, 2025 • 32 mins
Join Dr. Pete as he shares an enlightening conversation with Peak Fulfillment Co-founders Eli & Kyle
Peak Fulfillment was born from a profound realization: in today’s chaotic and fast-paced world, people are disconnected from their true selves and life’s purpose. Stress, noise, and responsibilities often cloud the path to clarity and fulfillment. We envisioned a transformative experience that helps individuals step away from the noise, reconnect with their core, and chart a course toward a life aligned with their deepest values.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
Today I'm excited to have twoguests.
We got two for the price of oneEli Libby and Kyle Nelson.
They are the co-creators ofPeak Fulfillment Men's Coaching
and, as Peak Fulfillment Coaches, they specialize in empowering
men to reach unprecedentedlevels of fulfillment in all
aspects of their lives.
They recognized a need for thisspecific type after going
(00:43):
through their own personaltrauma, so we're going to learn
about peak fulfillment men'scoaching today.
Welcome, eli and Kyle.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's going on, hey, dr P, thanks for having us.
Man, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I hope that was okay to say two for the price of one.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's great, it is yeah, we do it all the time it's
a good day.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, so you guys are going to wrestle it out
about who goes first orwhatever, but share us your
background about what is PeakFulfillment.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So that intro is actually a really old intro.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Sorry about that.
If we sent that over to you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It may be floating around online somewhere.
So now it's just PeakFulfillment.
We do coaching, retreats andmasterminds.
But our flagship program isSolitude, clarity, solo Retreat,
where we have a program whereyou get a box of items in there.
We have workbooks, we haveguided meditations, we have a
book in there, we have someother items in there that go
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along with some of theactivities and exercises in
there.
But these people are ourstudents.
They go and take this box outto somewhere in solitude.
So a lot of times it's a niceAirbnb or maybe it's camping and
it's a complete digital detoxfor a few days and you just go
through our program.
You go through things likeself-reflection, self-discovery
and then vision crafting.
People are figuring out whattheir limited beliefs are in
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life.
Maybe it's releasing someemotional baggage that they have
, but most importantly, they'refinding clarity and some
emotional baggage that they havebut most importantly, they're
finding clarity, and that'sreally what we're trying to help
people with, no matter where itis in your life, whether it's
your personal life or yourbusiness life, helping you find
a path forward, removing the fogand really be able to see clear
again on where you want to head.
I should have just had you dothe intro.
(02:20):
I mean, that's where I messedup.
It is for men and women, wewere just men's coach, like a
year ago.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, we changed it up.
Well, I love that you changedit up because it's important too
, right, we all need that likepeak fulfillment, and so what
about like personally you know.
So, eli, maybe you can startwith your journey about what led
to that, for this peakfulfillment coaching, yeah,
absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Kyle and I have been best friends and business
partners for the last 12 years.
We've been well.
He was my best man in mywedding and we've done four
different companies together.
And it's been this amazingjourney, but through that
journey it's been wild, ups anddowns, valleys and peaks, both
personally and professionally,and we back in 2021 was a pretty
difficult year for me.
In the beginning of it, I wentthrough a divorce.
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I found out I was being cheatedon and I lost my great uncle,
who was this kind of person thatI had a ton of trust in,
someone I could talk to all thetime, kind of a Northern Star
individual in my life and thenour business at the time
completely crumbled.
It was all in the span of atwo-week period, and there's not
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only like lack of trust that'shappening deep down inside of me
, but then I have to let go andlay off all these individuals
that I I'm a people pleaser sothat was just like crumbled me
to my core yeah, during thattime, kyle kyle's kind of story
is before that but he handed methis solid this self-guided kind
of story is before that but hehanded me this self-guided kind
of retreat, journaling, to gooff and do and said get out and
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you need to leave, go, figureyourself out.
And it was a pivotal moment inmy life where I could have gone
down a very deep, dark,depressive route or I could have
been like you know what?
This happened for a reason.
How do we package this up andchange individuals lives and if
they're going through somethingworse or not as bad, how can we
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help them out?
And a solo retreat is anopportunity to shut everything
off.
And through that three dayexperience, I shut everything
off.
I mean literally disconnectedfrom everything, and I heard my
inner voice again and I heardand I dissected limiting beliefs
and I dissected these trustissues, the relationship that I
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had and I think I've told youthis before.
I said this in a recording theother day.
I was like, have I told Kylethis?
The relationship I was inbefore I got cheated on as well?
Did I tell you that?
No, I don't think I've told youthis is going to be.
Yeah, anyways, Wow, I wentthrough this whole thing of like
I have trust.
I have these like trust.
Why?
Why is there a trust?
So I went and dissected thatand then you hear that inner
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voice again when you shut offthat external noise.
And I found my calling and mycalling was get this into as
many hands as possible andimpact and transform the world.
And we've done a pretty goodjob of that so far and we're on
this journey to do it becausewe've.
We have social proof now allthese we've gone through the
program and we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We're gonna break that down.
The digital talk.
That's important.
But, kyle, what's it like tohear that you're like learning
more about eli right?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
here and I know everything about eli, but I
guess not I from your collegerelationship yeah, and that
ended because of that dang,we'll dive into that later.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Dude, yeah I, I literally recorded have you
forgotten about that like, haveyou part of that away?
And it just kind of came backup, or yeah, part of it was like
when I was talking about mystory on and I was recording
that linkedin came back up.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's crazy.
Came back up coaching him rightnow this is real.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like this is real life, work y'all yeah on air on
air, wait, so, um, the otherthing.
So you guys, I've heard, I'veread that you guys describe
yourself as yin and yang foreach other.
Yeah, um, and so I, I don't seeit yet usually, like I always
see it.
So, like, just so, describe forme the yin and yang you don't
see it are you a lot of it, theway that we operate business.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, okay, uh, I am more qualitative, he's more
quantitative.
I really lead with my heart andmy gut and what I'm feeling.
He dives into the the just thelittle details, making sure that
it's a calculated risk whereI'm like dude, let's just do it,
let's go.
That's really where it is andit's been a beautiful.
Just the way that we've doneour businesses together in our
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relationship is a lot of peoplecan't co-found companies with
their best friend and we have,literally, we've never argued
yeah, it was a lot I mean we're,we're.
We're closer to each other thanwe are to our wives.
I mean it's crazy.
We've never.
Because we have so much respectfor letting the other person
just you know what.
I'm going to sit back, listento what they have.
I'm going to process whatthey're saying.
Most of the time he's wrong.
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Jesus Live, and on air, let'sdo it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
We just have a good time because we know, at the end
of the day the business it'snot worth the relationship that
we have and it's really special.
How did you all meet?
We met at a good buddy's dinner.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It was a dinner in.
Northern California.
We had an awesome dinner andKyle was making jokes across the
table and nobody was laughing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
obviously it wasn't that good so I gave him some
sympathy.
I was like this guy's foolingmy ego.
I need to hang out with him.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So we hit it off.
We were part of another, weco-founded another business
right then, together with agroup of four individuals.
And we led the marketing, weled all the media content
creation for this company andled some of the direction in the
growth Strategic growth yeah.
And it was.
You become pretty tight whenyou go through a startup.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh, yeah, for sure you spend a lot of time together
.
This, uh, this is probably leftfieldish, but and maybe 2024
ish for listeners, but like Ijust keep thinking, nobody wants
this uh netflix series.
I don't know if anyone, ifyou've, if either of you, have
seen that yet okay you.
nobody wants this.
I will need to check it out.
You guys have to watch itbecause it's really it's like
there's a podcast story andthere's other things and uh, it
just it's just kind of funny byno meat, you know, there's, it's
(08:12):
, it's it's also uh, anyway,you'll see it and uh, it has
nothing to do with Kyle and Eliper se, but I just I just live
or something.
Hey, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I'm going gonna check it out.
You guys have to check it out,but, um, all right, so let's
talk about the self-guidedretreat.
So I, I practice zen.
I've been studying for 15 years, uh and uh, under my teacher
and I'm now a dharma holder.
All this like all that likenonsense that comes along with
it um, but I'm curious, like howyou guys, a self-guided retreat
, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So, through this program, thereason why we built it are these
are all tools, these are allscripts, these are all journal
prompts and exercises andactivities that we've naturally
just used throughout the yearsand we'll, we'll, we'll paint a
picture of what, what it kind oflooks like.
So you get a box and it it saysDr Pete's Solo Retreat.
(09:06):
It says do not open untilretreat.
So first of all, that'steaching you discipline.
A lot of people want to movefast, they want to see what's
next, but they need to slow downand wait.
As they open it up, there's anice letter note from us telling
them that we believe in them.
Some things that they may needto know that's coming up.
There may be some emotionscoming out that you're not quite
expecting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Then there's four different workbooks in it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
One's a getting started workbook and we really
break down not necessarily whatto expect over the next few days
, but what are some of theemotions you may have.
Why may certain things happen?
What type of moments do youneed to look out for?
That may be transcending yourmind.
And then each day is adifferent workbook.
Like I said earlier, you haveself-reflection, and then we
have a morning, an afternoon, anevening, prompt or exercise or
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activity, and then we have someextra bonuses in there that if
you want to go dive deeper ineach of those, you can
Throughout it.
There's audio notes andmeditation clips that you can
just hit the QR code and listento meditation um clips that you
can just hit the QR code andlisten to.
It is a digital detox in thepart that we teach people how to
break their phone and only letan emergency contact if needed
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contact you.
Uh, but your phone's completelylocked out, you can't do
anything else, and so they canat least access those, those
audio notes.
So we are coaching them throughthe process as well.
And then there's a few otherthings in the, in the in the box
that has to do withintentionality and a few other
activities that we have.
So some people rather thanmaybe they, they in order to
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learn that they need to usesomething physically to to go
through that process.
And then there's, of course,self-discovery, and then the
last day is wrapping it all up.
And what's next?
How am I going to stayaccountable?
How am I going to havediscipline around?
What, maybe my new identity iscoming out of this?
Or how do I deal with?
Oh my gosh, I discovered when Iwas six years old.
I lost trust from my father,and that's the reason why I have
trust from so many people in mylife yeah how I do with that
(10:55):
now.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, um, I there's.
I want to go deeper.
I think I heard you.
I got stuck at, uh, like thephone gets locked out, which
because I, I love that.
So, but, and then I heard qrcode too so then, I was.
So is there like a technologythat comes along with that?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
yeah, so, um, if you're familiar, are you on the
iphone or the android?
Iphone yeah so you can create afocus mode.
Oh, yeah, yeah, totally I gotthat yeah, you had to create.
We have an onboarding tool thatgoes through how to create a
solo retreat focus mode and theonly thing that comes through is
emergency contacts Love it.
This is also kind of a chooseyour own adventure, kind of a
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journey.
You can go there and you can beon your phone the whole time
and get nothing out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Now you've got to come back and prove to your
spouse that, like, I just spentall this money and I got nothing
out of this Right.
So it creates self-disciplineand that's what is part of the
program and intentionality.
Yeah, and we haven't hadanybody go through it yet and
just completely blow off doinganything that we say, but that's
how we control that a littlebit but it is up to you.
We're not there this is done insolitude with yourself and I
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like.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean, I like that, I mean because you have to learn
.
I mean maybe that also.
I'd love to see some researchthis is just a researcher
because I'm a professor but likeis this does this create more
sustainability?
So, when we think about stagesof change, do people change more
because they have to do it ontheir own?
My theory is they're morelikely to maintain this by doing
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it in solitude than if theywere doing it in community yeah,
that's what we're finding Imean we've been part of
communities before.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We've been coached from different coaches before
and you know you get thismomentum after you're all
excited and you startimplementing and in two weeks
you go back to your startsliding back correct yeah, you
read the book, you listen to thepodcast, yeah, and what we're
finding is because people arediscovering the answers
themselves yes it feels it thatidentity shift is is real, it's
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actually happening.
there's an actual, realtransformation of a paradigm
shift in your mind of who you'rebecoming, moving forward,
rather than someone telling youor kind of leading it on it's
all you, it's all you.
Um, and the debrief calls thatwe have.
We try to have a debrief callas close as the day after your
retreat and people just pour outthe most amazing experiences
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and their plans moving forward.
And it's usually very emotionalfor us as well, because we're
just so excited and we believein this person so much that they
can make change in their life.
And a lot of times it has to dowith what we try.
Teaching people is to make realchange in your life.
It's not necessarily what isgoing to happen to you.
It's who you're accountable toin the next people, right?
(13:35):
So if you don't change in fiveyears, what's your relationship
going to be like with your son?
yeah, it's going to be like withyour wife or husband or or so
forth and so on, and thatusually helps, helps it click
quite a bit do people stay onwith coaching after that often,
or is that something you'reyou're seeing?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
yeah, again for that accountability partner yeah,
there's a reason people go andget a personal trainer.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
They're looking for accountability.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Same concept here is they've learned so much about
themselves and now they're theyfeel kind of attached in a way
to us and our program and thenour community.
So the mastermind after this isbasically surrounding them with
a board of accountabilitypartners that have gone through
the same program.
The ice is already broken.
We all have a shared experienceand from people that are
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introverted they want to havethat, that common knowledge,
coming into a mastermind versusjust being integrated into a
retreat or integrated into amastermind.
This is their own experiencethat they can take at their own
pace and then get more out of it.
To your point, learning stylesand people want to just do it in
solitude and it helps a ton.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Where is the line Because I'm thinking of some of
my colleagues who are notopen-minded like I am, because
they don't meditate as much as Ihave and where is the line of,
like, mental health for this,you know?
So is there a line or aresource where, if it crosses
over into some pathology, or ifyou feel so heavy you're like
this is feels different thanjust coaching?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we're not therapists.
We don't claim to be therapists.
We don't intend to uh cureanybody from their mental health
.
Right.
The way that we look at atherapist versus a coach is this
a therapist is working on thehard, deep traumas of your past.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
We're coaches that help you with the future.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So we are going to, we're going to help you create a
sustainable path withaccountability of what you're
going to do, moving forward,evidently, a lot of people that
come through our program go gettherapists because they're
noticing there's some questionsthat they asked.
They're able to listen to theirdeep inner voice and they're
like, oh, when I was 14 and thisbully was, was in that mean to
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me, this is actually what it didto me, and it's so cool being
able to lead people to therapy,you know, and be able to deal
with that stuff and then, allwhile moving forward, what their
vision and path is, they canwork with us.
I think.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
just adding one more thing on top of that.
We've seen it go the other wayas well.
We have People saying I've beenin therapy for the last five
years and now I did this, I'mI'm ending my therapy because
they realized that that was notthe path, the track that they
need to be on.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
They need to be on moving forward.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So we've actually seen that two times in the last
week, people saying I'm I don'tneed therapy anymore, I'm
dropping it, I'm doing, I'mgoing to repeat my solo retreat
two, three times a year.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, that was what I was thinking.
Repeat my solo retreat two,three times a year?
Yeah, that was what I wasthinking, kyle, when you were
just speaking.
I was like I bet I wouldimagine people either done with
therapy or therapy.
They just hit that, now they dothis.
I mean, that's the way.
That's the way I look atinterdisciplinary care or
integrated care is it's rightwhen it's right for that person
in that moment, and it variesfrom person to person.
You know, I always say to someof the people I work with, that
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a little bit younger, I'm likemeditation works for everybody
when it works for them.
You know, and when you're readyfor it.
You know, if you would havetold me at 17 to sit for three
days and not talk, you know Iwould have had some expletives
for you.
You're nuts you know and now Ican't get there, like I can't do
it.
I want to do it as long aspossible and some people don't
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even understand that.
All right, vision crafting.
So I know this is something youall talk about in the discovery
process.
So can people go through thisdiscovery process anywhere?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean wherever they find peace,
solitude or serenity For me, I'ma mountain guy, so I will take
a camper out and I'll go camp.
A lot of people go out to theocean, like Kyle mentioned, to
Airbnbs.
But that third day is aboutvision crafting.
So they have emotional baggageout, they've got limiting
beliefs, they've rewired, theyknow who they are and why they
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are the way they are.
Now we put it all together inday three and that's one of the
most impactful days for settingthat path forward.
And they come back one of themost impactful days for setting
that path forward and they comeback usually most excited about
that, because they are just soexcited to get going now that
they've got that stuff behindthem and they have, I mean, a
lot of aspirations to start abusiness or leave their current
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company.
We've heard that a ton Peoplecome back and they just put in
their two weeks.
It's like you're moving on nowand it's really cool to're
moving on now and it's it'sreally cool to see that on that
path forward on day three yeah,it's really big messages come in
that solitude yeah strong.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, a lot of times, what we try helping people with
is you learned all this stuffabout yourself.
Now what?
And that's where that visioncrafting comes in is how can I
utilize, you know, reallyunderstanding what my purpose
and vision is in life and whatmakes me feel fulfilled?
How do I transcend?
Transcend that into eithermaybe it's the business I
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already have and how do I get onthe right path again, or maybe
it's starting a new one, ormaybe it's quitting, but yeah a
lot of it's self-awareness andintentionality, moving forward
and how to integrate that inyour daily life the maintenance.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I mean, that's how do I maintain this?
I love that you're focused onthat, because otherwise it's
like any fat diet you know it'scute and then what?
Yep, exactly so it's just so.
I'm hearing this is for anybody, but I wondered if, uh, you
guys you know, in in developingpeak fulfillment coaching, have
you catered it towards specificindividuals or groups of people
at any given time?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Naturally, who Kyle and I are is.
We're entrepreneurs within thegap between 32 and their 30s and
mid-50s.
The founder is who hasgravitated towards the program
the most because they areconnecting.
Well, let's back up.
Our business is our life really.
So when we put that together,we pair that with an
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entrepreneur, who they live,breathe, think about it all the
time.
If they can create claritythere and create clarity in
their personal life, they'regoing to move a lot quicker and
they're going to have a leg upover the competition something
different that they're doingbehind the scenes.
So when you ask that question,everybody could use it Chapters
of life, new identities,divorced people, empty nesters,
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like they all make sense, sure,and it seems like the founder
gets the most bang for theirbuck and they get the best
outcomes that actually last.
I would say that Anything elseyou'd add to that, I feel like
that's Entrepreneurs typicallygravitate to it.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They're balancing so much in their life they don't
know how to turn off and like oh, I'm going to create space to
think, Make some actual gooddecisions with my business.
Shocker.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So the digital detox so we've mentioned it a few
times already today, I mean Ithink.
I think this is like a thing.
Now.
I was talking to a colleaguelast week and we're working on
this big project and he says youcould text me today's, but
after that I'm going to be on aon a phone detox for a week.
So he went off, he like shut hisphone down for a week which
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which is awesome and it's reallyhard to do when you're a
business owner and entrepreneur,and especially in the mental
health field, because we havethis little like thing about
like liability and you know.
So I was, I was admirable, Ithought it was just so admirable
that he did that, so I likethat.
You guys talked about the focussetting.
What else have you seen as faras like growth and fulfillment
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when it comes to digital detox,or why do you think that's so
important part of yourprogramming?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, our phones are our biggest anxiety
in life, every single day, theamount of notifications that are
coming through.
And what's, what's crazy iswe've heard multiple times in
people's debrief that theyactually start panicking because
they don't know where theirphone is.
They start tapping for it, theystart looking for it why am I
getting notifications?
And it's just, it's so crazy tothink we live in that world
(21:30):
today that we're finding anxietyand we break down that a lot of
people's anxieties are comingfrom the screen.
Just too much input, it's toomuch going on.
It's too much dopamine and wecan't find natural dopamine in
our life anymore.
And so much dopamine and wecan't find natural dopamine in
our life anymore.
Uh, and so we teach people tohave really good um boundaries
moving forward.
I mean the first step is youcould probably delete half your
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apps.
You could turn off yournotifications.
So they only hit you every sixhours instead of every always on
.
I mean, there's so much youcould do with your phone.
But uh, it's cool to seebecause the first day people
struggle with it.
So the first day peoplestruggle with the phone not
being in front of them andfiguring out what's the
difference between lonelinessand solitude, because if you're
lonely they can't be.
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And then day two and three,they're like man, should I make
this longer?
It should be longer.
This is way good and it's just.
It's to prove yourself.
You don't need it.
How'd you come up with thenumber three, then I like longer
time away too.
But how did you come up withthree days?
(22:33):
Naturally, just from what we goover.
This is a way to be able toreset in a quicker fashion.
From just a sales point too.
Asking people to take off aweek or two weeks is a lot more
difficult than saying, hey, gowork on yourself, do a quick
reset for a few days.
But we found that, I mean, mostpeople can make that impact and
make those decisions within justa few days and it literally is
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just because you're in stillnessand quiet and solitude again.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean it seems like a good number for me, but go
ahead, eli.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
They can go longer.
People have gone longer too,yeah, they can go longer, it's
not just three.
They can rent it out, go alittle slower, whatever that
might be, but we recommendpeople if they're checking into
an Airbnb, think about leavingon that day.
We have kind of some onboardingstuff for the day of when you
get there.
You kind of unwind and youstart going through the getting
started stuff, but then you wantfull day one, day two, day
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three and not have to check outat like 10 am on your third day.
I want you to kind of stay thatwhole day.
So it ends up being longer ifyou look at it like that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And I love the innovativeness of it because
it's like I always in the worldof sports.
Traditionally, therapy was likehour sessions, 60 minutes In
the world of sports.
Athletes don't have that, youknow, high performers don't have
that, and so you could do thesame work in 20, 30 minutes.
And that's something I'm tryingto like, you know, train people
on and do research on and saylike, hey, we don't, we can do
the work in less time.
(23:56):
You know, it's really whateveryou put in is what you're going
to get out, and that's three-dayprogram sounds like too.
Yeah, exactly.
So the debriefs, I mean thatsounds like it's a really
important part, because you'vementioned that word a few times.
I'm putting my listeners pointof view.
I'm sure that they're hey,what's a debrief?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
yeah, it's really that that initial like word
vomit.
Essentially they are, they are,they're on a high and they have
so much and they can'tnecessarily, they don't know how
to comprehend and break it downto their spouse.
And that's something that we'reworking on is kind of
integrating with the spouse.
But they have so much they wantto talk about and talk through.
(24:32):
We just become the bumper railson a bowling alley and we just
ask them the right questions asthey go down and they debrief
their last three days.
What happened?
Walk us through day one, daytwo, day three.
What were some peak momentsthere?
What are you going to do next?
And it's really a high leveloverview.
And then we'll sit down withthem again and that's where we
(24:54):
can really start to pick apartand hold them accountable to
some of the stuff they said.
But it's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I like that Is that the mastermind calls, or that's
a little bit different, or.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
That's the debrief.
So, okay, that's the one thatcalls two of them right when
they come back um within thefirst week, and then another one
the next week, and then themastermind is after that they're
bi-weekly one hour mastermindsnice.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So you know you've talked about how rewarding it is
for you both.
Um, I'd love to hear more aboutthat sort of like how how have
you benefited?
And the reward of being able tohelp others in this journey.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, I think Eli and I we got really, really burnt
out in our last business that wewere in and we had some crazy
lows and some pretty good highs.
But we found that at our age weshouldn't be this burnt out
already.
We shouldn't be feeling digginga trench in the Valley, let
alone.
Hey, it'd be nice to feel apeak in our life.
(25:48):
Uh, and we just we had so manypeople that we naturally coached
and just naturally helpedthrough that.
We were just, we're just thepeople that people come to right
.
They were comfortable to talkto us and one of our mentors
said to us like you should getinto coaching.
What are you doing?
Why aren't you helping people?
And we got into it.
(26:09):
Our first few clients were likeholy crap, this is it.
Because someone looked at usand said this changed my life.
It builds but two.
It's just like an outpour ofeuphoria.
It's like you can't evenexplain it because how, how
you're like I did that, I helpedyou through that.
(26:30):
Um, and that's why we call thecompany peak fulfillment,
because it's not only helpingothers towards their peak
fulfillment, but every singleday.
We don't look at this as a job,as cliche as that is.
This is just our.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
This is our purpose this is our mission, this is our
calling mission.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
This is our calling, we know it is, and so we want to
lead with a name.
That, of course, is our peakfulfillment.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, would you add anything to that, eli?
Yeah, I mean on on when I wason my solo retreat, after I got
all this stuff passed me.
Day three was about visioncrafting and I said how can we
bring this to the world?
How can we get this out andstart packaging and start
getting out in people's hands?
And one of the things I wrotedown is I want to hear somebody
say this changed my life.
And when I hear that, I'll goall in and that next week sat
down and one of the studentsthat we had a lot of imposter
(27:18):
syndrome around, just really,really early on in this business
older gentlemen, a lot morewisdom than us, a lot more
wealth we had imposter syndromeand it was really early on and
one of the first things he saidwas guys, this changed my life
and it was right after myretreat and that was like, okay,
this is something.
(27:39):
Dropped everything, droppedeverything and redid this.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I mean just for listeners.
I mean, imposter syndrome isreal and you may be having it.
So I love that you guys broughtthat in, because I train
graduate students every day andthey all have it.
We all have it.
It's part of life.
It's part of life, it's part ofthe process and it's part of
growth, and so thanks forbringing that into this.
So Path Forward, the mastermindcalls.
(28:05):
How else do you sort of see theclients that have experienced a
program?
So how would you describe otherthan the ones that said you
changed my life?
I mean, how do clients kind oftake this into the future in
their path forward after they'veexperienced this program?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I mean, the biggest thing is staying plugged in with
them.
That's really the importance ofthe mastermind.
We find that people stay in itlonger than what they've already
agreed to do, and that's goingto help.
So they don't backslide, theystay accountable to do, and
that's going to help.
So they don't backslide, theystay accountable.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
uh, a few other things that we're doing is we're
working on a book right nowthat we're going to offer
everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's going to be called the clarity framework, so
a framework around clarity, alot of the stuff that we
implement in our program uh wedo in-person retreats as well,
so if you have gone through ourprogram, you just basically get
a discounted price.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Um, you can still come out to it if you didn't,
but that's the fun days gettingpeople together contrast,
therapy stuff hikes in themountains.
We're here up in central Oregonso we've got a lot of amazing
nature and outdoors and thebeautiful campfires and things
like that.
Those are kind of some of thedifferent paths that people can
go on after they've done theirretreat.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, all right.
So, as we're getting to the end, I mean this is flown.
I've learned so much and Iappreciate this.
So one piece of advice forlisteners.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
what do you got?
Yeah, I mean don't think youneed to take three days to reset
.
Sometimes we can take fiveminutes, and I know you can talk
to this with meditation, butsometimes all it takes is five
minutes to take a step back.
Talk to this with meditation,but sometimes all it takes is
five minutes to take a step back.
Remove yourself from the noise,but having the intention to
actually create a space to dothat and just be still.
You don't need to do anything,you don't need to think you need
a journal, you don't nothing.
(29:46):
It can be in a closet.
Take a step back and just seewhat happens to your inner voice
in five minutes and you'regoing to see, you're going to
start discovering some answersand you start discovering okay
maybe I do need to focus here.
Oh, it just, it just happens.
Your, your inner voice isscreaming at you, but you can't
hear it because of how loudeverything is.
It just takes five minutes.
(30:07):
Put it on your calendar everysingle day, five minutes.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, I think I would say something similar, just to
add more to it would be at leastmy advice would be give
yourself the permission to dothat.
Sometimes it just takes yousaying you know, I'm okay with
not feeling quote-unquoteproductive, especially as an
entrepreneur and a founder ifyou're out there yeah, pause and
just, you're worthy enough, youare worthy of that time, that
(30:31):
five minute I'll said, and giveyourself that permission.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
This is really great information, thank you both for
you know, sharing this with us Iknow that this is really great
information.
Thank you both for you knowsharing this with us.
I know that listeners arereally going to benefit from
peak fulfillment and, uh, youknow, for all that you brought
and I know that you guys haveyour podcast biz bros is that
that's the?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
open wow yeah oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So that was the long one.
We got a new one.
I know I shouldn't readanything, so, so let me just
stop reading.
So tell us, tell listeners,about your new podcast.
It's called the peak podcast.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
So that is the podcast.
We bring on thought leaders,founders, ceos, executives, and
we allow them to share theirpeak moment, that moment that
was kind of the catalyst intheir career that tipped them
over the edge, into theirpassion and their calling.
So it's the same question toevery guest.
We bring on 15 to 20 minuteshows where else can people find
you?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
peakfulfillmentco that's where or linkedin we're
very loud on linkedin.
Those are the two places, uh.
But yeah, peakfulfillmentco,reach out and have a chat.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So I appreciate you guys being here.
We had some live likeinteraction and coaching with
the two of you, with kyle andeli.
Yeah, we we had some uh editsthat were just, you know, didn't
get that, didn't make itthrough, uh and uh.
I I appreciate us being able tomodel the imperfection right
here on air with dr pete.
So thank you both for beinghere today thanks so much.
(31:52):
That was very fun, cool.
Well, we'll be back next week.
If you have a topic of mine,remember you can like, follow
and share.
Everything is at officialdrpetecom and we will see you
all next week.
Until then, spread a littlekindness and stay well, thank
(32:23):
you.
Hello, welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
Today I'm excited to have twoguests.
We got two for the price of oneEli Libby and Kyle Nelson.
They are the co-creators ofPeak Fulfillment Men's Coaching
and, as Peak Fulfillment Coaches, they specialize in empowering
men to reach unprecedentedlevels of fulfillment in all
aspects of their lives.
They recognized a need for thisspecific type after going
(00:43):
through their own personaltrauma, so we're going to learn
about peak fulfillment men'scoaching today.
Welcome, eli and Kyle.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's going on, hey, dr P, thanks for having us.
Man, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I hope that was okay to say two for the price of one.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's great, it is yeah, we do it all the time it's
a good day.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, so you guys are going to wrestle it out
about who goes first orwhatever, but share us your
background about what is PeakFulfillment.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So that intro is actually a really old intro.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Sorry about that.
If we sent that over to you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It may be floating around online somewhere.
So now it's just PeakFulfillment.
We do coaching, retreats andmasterminds.
But our flagship program isSolitude, clarity, solo Retreat,
where we have a program whereyou get a box of items in there.
We have workbooks, we haveguided meditations, we have a
book in there, we have someother items in there that go
(01:36):
along with some of theactivities and exercises in
there.
But these people are ourstudents.
They go and take this box outto somewhere in solitude.
So a lot of times it's a niceAirbnb or maybe it's camping and
it's a complete digital detoxfor a few days and you just go
through our program.
You go through things likeself-reflection, self-discovery
and then vision crafting.
People are figuring out whattheir limited beliefs are in
(01:58):
life.
Maybe it's releasing someemotional baggage that they have
, but most importantly, they'refinding clarity and some
emotional baggage that they havebut most importantly, they're
finding clarity, and that'sreally what we're trying to help
people with, no matter where itis in your life, whether it's
your personal life or yourbusiness life, helping you find
a path forward, removing the fogand really be able to see clear
again on where you want to head.
I should have just had you dothe intro.
(02:20):
I mean, that's where I messedup.
It is for men and women, wewere just men's coach, like a
year ago.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, we changed it up.
Well, I love that you changedit up because it's important too
, right, we all need that likepeak fulfillment, and so what
about like personally you know.
So, eli, maybe you can startwith your journey about what led
to that, for this peakfulfillment coaching, yeah,
absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Kyle and I have been best friends and business
partners for the last 12 years.
We've been well.
He was my best man in mywedding and we've done four
different companies together.
And it's been this amazingjourney, but through that
journey it's been wild, ups anddowns, valleys and peaks, both
personally and professionally,and we back in 2021 was a pretty
difficult year for me.
In the beginning of it, I wentthrough a divorce.
(03:07):
I found out I was being cheatedon and I lost my great uncle,
who was this kind of person thatI had a ton of trust in,
someone I could talk to all thetime, kind of a Northern Star
individual in my life and thenour business at the time
completely crumbled.
It was all in the span of atwo-week period, and there's not
(03:27):
only like lack of trust that'shappening deep down inside of me
, but then I have to let go andlay off all these individuals
that I I'm a people pleaser sothat was just like crumbled me
to my core yeah, during thattime, kyle kyle's kind of story
is before that but he handed methis solid this self-guided kind
of story is before that but hehanded me this self-guided kind
of retreat, journaling, to gooff and do and said get out and
(03:50):
you need to leave, go, figureyourself out.
And it was a pivotal moment inmy life where I could have gone
down a very deep, dark,depressive route or I could have
been like you know what?
This happened for a reason.
How do we package this up andchange individuals lives and if
they're going through somethingworse or not as bad, how can we
(04:11):
help them out?
And a solo retreat is anopportunity to shut everything
off.
And through that three dayexperience, I shut everything
off.
I mean literally disconnectedfrom everything, and I heard my
inner voice again and I heardand I dissected limiting beliefs
and I dissected these trustissues, the relationship that I
(04:33):
had and I think I've told youthis before.
I said this in a recording theother day.
I was like, have I told Kylethis?
The relationship I was inbefore I got cheated on as well?
Did I tell you that?
No, I don't think I've told youthis is going to be.
Yeah, anyways, Wow, I wentthrough this whole thing of like
I have trust.
I have these like trust.
Why?
Why is there a trust?
So I went and dissected thatand then you hear that inner
(04:54):
voice again when you shut offthat external noise.
And I found my calling and mycalling was get this into as
many hands as possible andimpact and transform the world.
And we've done a pretty goodjob of that so far and we're on
this journey to do it becausewe've.
We have social proof now allthese we've gone through the
program and we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We're gonna break that down.
The digital talk.
That's important.
But, kyle, what's it like tohear that you're like learning
more about eli right?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
here and I know everything about eli, but I
guess not I from your collegerelationship yeah, and that
ended because of that dang,we'll dive into that later.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Dude, yeah I, I literally recorded have you
forgotten about that like, haveyou part of that away?
And it just kind of came backup, or yeah, part of it was like
when I was talking about mystory on and I was recording
that linkedin came back up.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's crazy.
Came back up coaching him rightnow this is real.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like this is real life, work y'all yeah on air on
air, wait, so, um, the otherthing.
So you guys, I've heard, I'veread that you guys describe
yourself as yin and yang foreach other.
Yeah, um, and so I, I don't seeit yet usually, like I always
see it.
So, like, just so, describe forme the yin and yang you don't
see it are you a lot of it, theway that we operate business.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, okay, uh, I am more qualitative, he's more
quantitative.
I really lead with my heart andmy gut and what I'm feeling.
He dives into the the just thelittle details, making sure that
it's a calculated risk whereI'm like dude, let's just do it,
let's go.
That's really where it is andit's been a beautiful.
Just the way that we've doneour businesses together in our
(06:31):
relationship is a lot of peoplecan't co-found companies with
their best friend and we have,literally, we've never argued
yeah, it was a lot I mean we're,we're.
We're closer to each other thanwe are to our wives.
I mean it's crazy.
We've never.
Because we have so much respectfor letting the other person
just you know what.
I'm going to sit back, listento what they have.
I'm going to process whatthey're saying.
Most of the time he's wrong.
(06:53):
Jesus Live, and on air, let'sdo it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
We just have a good time because we know, at the end
of the day the business it'snot worth the relationship that
we have and it's really special.
How did you all meet?
We met at a good buddy's dinner.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It was a dinner in.
Northern California.
We had an awesome dinner andKyle was making jokes across the
table and nobody was laughing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
obviously it wasn't that good so I gave him some
sympathy.
I was like this guy's foolingmy ego.
I need to hang out with him.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So we hit it off.
We were part of another, weco-founded another business
right then, together with agroup of four individuals.
And we led the marketing, weled all the media content
creation for this company andled some of the direction in the
growth Strategic growth yeah.
And it was.
You become pretty tight whenyou go through a startup.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh, yeah, for sure you spend a lot of time together
.
This, uh, this is probably leftfieldish, but and maybe 2024
ish for listeners, but like Ijust keep thinking, nobody wants
this uh netflix series.
I don't know if anyone, ifyou've, if either of you, have
seen that yet okay you.
nobody wants this.
I will need to check it out.
You guys have to watch itbecause it's really it's like
there's a podcast story andthere's other things and uh, it
just it's just kind of funny byno meat, you know, there's, it's
(08:12):
, it's it's also uh, anyway,you'll see it and uh, it has
nothing to do with Kyle and Eliper se, but I just I just live
or something.
Hey, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I'm going gonna check it out.
You guys have to check it out,but, um, all right, so let's
talk about the self-guidedretreat.
So I, I practice zen.
I've been studying for 15 years, uh and uh, under my teacher
and I'm now a dharma holder.
All this like all that likenonsense that comes along with
it um, but I'm curious, like howyou guys, a self-guided retreat
, how does that work?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So, through this program, thereason why we built it are these
are all tools, these are allscripts, these are all journal
prompts and exercises andactivities that we've naturally
just used throughout the yearsand we'll, we'll, we'll paint a
picture of what, what it kind oflooks like.
So you get a box and it it saysDr Pete's Solo Retreat.
(09:06):
It says do not open untilretreat.
So first of all, that'steaching you discipline.
A lot of people want to movefast, they want to see what's
next, but they need to slow downand wait.
As they open it up, there's anice letter note from us telling
them that we believe in them.
Some things that they may needto know that's coming up.
There may be some emotionscoming out that you're not quite
expecting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Then there's four different workbooks in it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
One's a getting started workbook and we really
break down not necessarily whatto expect over the next few days
, but what are some of theemotions you may have.
Why may certain things happen?
What type of moments do youneed to look out for?
That may be transcending yourmind.
And then each day is adifferent workbook.
Like I said earlier, you haveself-reflection, and then we
have a morning, an afternoon, anevening, prompt or exercise or
(09:51):
activity, and then we have someextra bonuses in there that if
you want to go dive deeper ineach of those, you can
Throughout it.
There's audio notes andmeditation clips that you can
just hit the QR code and listento meditation um clips that you
can just hit the QR code andlisten to.
It is a digital detox in thepart that we teach people how to
break their phone and only letan emergency contact if needed
(10:11):
contact you.
Uh, but your phone's completelylocked out, you can't do
anything else, and so they canat least access those, those
audio notes.
So we are coaching them throughthe process as well.
And then there's a few otherthings in the, in the in the box
that has to do withintentionality and a few other
activities that we have.
So some people rather thanmaybe they, they in order to
(10:33):
learn that they need to usesomething physically to to go
through that process.
And then there's, of course,self-discovery, and then the
last day is wrapping it all up.
And what's next?
How am I going to stayaccountable?
How am I going to havediscipline around?
What, maybe my new identity iscoming out of this?
Or how do I deal with?
Oh my gosh, I discovered when Iwas six years old.
I lost trust from my father,and that's the reason why I have
trust from so many people in mylife yeah how I do with that
(10:55):
now.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, um, I there's.
I want to go deeper.
I think I heard you.
I got stuck at, uh, like thephone gets locked out, which
because I, I love that.
So, but, and then I heard qrcode too so then, I was.
So is there like a technologythat comes along with that?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
yeah, so, um, if you're familiar, are you on the
iphone or the android?
Iphone yeah so you can create afocus mode.
Oh, yeah, yeah, totally I gotthat yeah, you had to create.
We have an onboarding tool thatgoes through how to create a
solo retreat focus mode and theonly thing that comes through is
emergency contacts Love it.
This is also kind of a chooseyour own adventure, kind of a
(11:32):
journey.
You can go there and you can beon your phone the whole time
and get nothing out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Now you've got to come back and prove to your
spouse that, like, I just spentall this money and I got nothing
out of this Right.
So it creates self-disciplineand that's what is part of the
program and intentionality.
Yeah, and we haven't hadanybody go through it yet and
just completely blow off doinganything that we say, but that's
how we control that a littlebit but it is up to you.
We're not there this is done insolitude with yourself and I
(12:00):
like.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean, I like that, I mean because you have to learn
.
I mean maybe that also.
I'd love to see some researchthis is just a researcher
because I'm a professor but likeis this does this create more
sustainability?
So, when we think about stagesof change, do people change more
because they have to do it ontheir own?
My theory is they're morelikely to maintain this by doing
(12:21):
it in solitude than if theywere doing it in community yeah,
that's what we're finding Imean we've been part of
communities before.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
We've been coached from different coaches before
and you know you get thismomentum after you're all
excited and you startimplementing and in two weeks
you go back to your startsliding back correct yeah, you
read the book, you listen to thepodcast, yeah, and what we're
finding is because people arediscovering the answers
themselves yes it feels it thatidentity shift is is real, it's
(12:51):
actually happening.
there's an actual, realtransformation of a paradigm
shift in your mind of who you'rebecoming, moving forward,
rather than someone telling youor kind of leading it on it's
all you, it's all you.
Um, and the debrief calls thatwe have.
We try to have a debrief callas close as the day after your
retreat and people just pour outthe most amazing experiences
(13:12):
and their plans moving forward.
And it's usually very emotionalfor us as well, because we're
just so excited and we believein this person so much that they
can make change in their life.
And a lot of times it has to dowith what we try.
Teaching people is to make realchange in your life.
It's not necessarily what isgoing to happen to you.
It's who you're accountable toin the next people, right?
(13:35):
So if you don't change in fiveyears, what's your relationship
going to be like with your son?
yeah, it's going to be like withyour wife or husband or or so
forth and so on, and thatusually helps, helps it click
quite a bit do people stay onwith coaching after that often,
or is that something you'reyou're seeing?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
yeah, again for that accountability partner yeah,
there's a reason people go andget a personal trainer.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
They're looking for accountability.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Same concept here is they've learned so much about
themselves and now they're theyfeel kind of attached in a way
to us and our program and thenour community.
So the mastermind after this isbasically surrounding them with
a board of accountabilitypartners that have gone through
the same program.
The ice is already broken.
We all have a shared experienceand from people that are
(14:23):
introverted they want to havethat, that common knowledge,
coming into a mastermind versusjust being integrated into a
retreat or integrated into amastermind.
This is their own experiencethat they can take at their own
pace and then get more out of it.
To your point, learning stylesand people want to just do it in
solitude and it helps a ton.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Where is the line Because I'm thinking of some of
my colleagues who are notopen-minded like I am, because
they don't meditate as much as Ihave and where is the line of,
like, mental health for this,you know?
So is there a line or aresource where, if it crosses
over into some pathology, or ifyou feel so heavy you're like
this is feels different thanjust coaching?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we're not therapists.
We don't claim to be therapists.
We don't intend to uh cureanybody from their mental health
.
Right.
The way that we look at atherapist versus a coach is this
a therapist is working on thehard, deep traumas of your past.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
We're coaches that help you with the future.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So we are going to, we're going to help you create a
sustainable path withaccountability of what you're
going to do, moving forward,evidently, a lot of people that
come through our program go gettherapists because they're
noticing there's some questionsthat they asked.
They're able to listen to theirdeep inner voice and they're
like, oh, when I was 14 and thisbully was, was in that mean to
(15:44):
me, this is actually what it didto me, and it's so cool being
able to lead people to therapy,you know, and be able to deal
with that stuff and then, allwhile moving forward, what their
vision and path is, they canwork with us.
I think.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
just adding one more thing on top of that.
We've seen it go the other wayas well.
We have People saying I've beenin therapy for the last five
years and now I did this, I'mI'm ending my therapy because
they realized that that was notthe path, the track that they
need to be on.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
They need to be on moving forward.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So we've actually seen that two times in the last
week, people saying I'm I don'tneed therapy anymore, I'm
dropping it, I'm doing, I'mgoing to repeat my solo retreat
two, three times a year.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, that was what I was thinking.
Repeat my solo retreat two,three times a year?
Yeah, that was what I wasthinking, kyle, when you were
just speaking.
I was like I bet I wouldimagine people either done with
therapy or therapy.
They just hit that, now they dothis.
I mean, that's the way.
That's the way I look atinterdisciplinary care or
integrated care is it's rightwhen it's right for that person
in that moment, and it variesfrom person to person.
You know, I always say to someof the people I work with, that
(16:44):
a little bit younger, I'm likemeditation works for everybody
when it works for them.
You know, and when you're readyfor it.
You know, if you would havetold me at 17 to sit for three
days and not talk, you know Iwould have had some expletives
for you.
You're nuts you know and now Ican't get there, like I can't do
it.
I want to do it as long aspossible and some people don't
(17:05):
even understand that.
All right, vision crafting.
So I know this is something youall talk about in the discovery
process.
So can people go through thisdiscovery process anywhere?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean wherever they find peace,
solitude or serenity For me, I'ma mountain guy, so I will take
a camper out and I'll go camp.
A lot of people go out to theocean, like Kyle mentioned, to
Airbnbs.
But that third day is aboutvision crafting.
So they have emotional baggageout, they've got limiting
beliefs, they've rewired, theyknow who they are and why they
(17:36):
are the way they are.
Now we put it all together inday three and that's one of the
most impactful days for settingthat path forward.
And they come back one of themost impactful days for setting
that path forward and they comeback usually most excited about
that, because they are just soexcited to get going now that
they've got that stuff behindthem and they have, I mean, a
lot of aspirations to start abusiness or leave their current
(17:59):
company.
We've heard that a ton Peoplecome back and they just put in
their two weeks.
It's like you're moving on nowand it's really cool to're
moving on now and it's it'sreally cool to see that on that
path forward on day three yeah,it's really big messages come in
that solitude yeah strong.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, a lot of times, what we try helping people with
is you learned all this stuffabout yourself.
Now what?
And that's where that visioncrafting comes in is how can I
utilize, you know, reallyunderstanding what my purpose
and vision is in life and whatmakes me feel fulfilled?
How do I transcend?
Transcend that into eithermaybe it's the business I
(18:35):
already have and how do I get onthe right path again, or maybe
it's starting a new one, ormaybe it's quitting, but yeah a
lot of it's self-awareness andintentionality, moving forward
and how to integrate that inyour daily life the maintenance.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I mean, that's how do I maintain this?
I love that you're focused onthat, because otherwise it's
like any fat diet you know it'scute and then what?
Yep, exactly so it's just so.
I'm hearing this is for anybody, but I wondered if, uh, you
guys you know, in in developingpeak fulfillment coaching, have
you catered it towards specificindividuals or groups of people
at any given time?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Naturally, who Kyle and I are is.
We're entrepreneurs within thegap between 32 and their 30s and
mid-50s.
The founder is who hasgravitated towards the program
the most because they areconnecting.
Well, let's back up.
Our business is our life really.
So when we put that together,we pair that with an
(19:31):
entrepreneur, who they live,breathe, think about it all the
time.
If they can create claritythere and create clarity in
their personal life, they'regoing to move a lot quicker and
they're going to have a leg upover the competition something
different that they're doingbehind the scenes.
So when you ask that question,everybody could use it Chapters
of life, new identities,divorced people, empty nesters,
(19:54):
like they all make sense, sure,and it seems like the founder
gets the most bang for theirbuck and they get the best
outcomes that actually last.
I would say that Anything elseyou'd add to that, I feel like
that's Entrepreneurs typicallygravitate to it.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They're balancing so much in their life they don't
know how to turn off and like oh, I'm going to create space to
think, Make some actual gooddecisions with my business.
Shocker.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So the digital detox so we've mentioned it a few
times already today, I mean Ithink.
I think this is like a thing.
Now.
I was talking to a colleaguelast week and we're working on
this big project and he says youcould text me today's, but
after that I'm going to be on aon a phone detox for a week.
So he went off, he like shut hisphone down for a week which
(20:44):
which is awesome and it's reallyhard to do when you're a
business owner and entrepreneur,and especially in the mental
health field, because we havethis little like thing about
like liability and you know.
So I was, I was admirable, Ithought it was just so admirable
that he did that, so I likethat.
You guys talked about the focussetting.
What else have you seen as faras like growth and fulfillment
(21:05):
when it comes to digital detox,or why do you think that's so
important part of yourprogramming?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, our phones are our biggest anxiety
in life, every single day, theamount of notifications that are
coming through.
And what's, what's crazy iswe've heard multiple times in
people's debrief that theyactually start panicking because
they don't know where theirphone is.
They start tapping for it, theystart looking for it why am I
getting notifications?
And it's just, it's so crazy tothink we live in that world
(21:30):
today that we're finding anxietyand we break down that a lot of
people's anxieties are comingfrom the screen.
Just too much input, it's toomuch going on.
It's too much dopamine and wecan't find natural dopamine in
our life anymore.
And so much dopamine and wecan't find natural dopamine in
our life anymore.
Uh, and so we teach people tohave really good um boundaries
moving forward.
I mean the first step is youcould probably delete half your
(21:52):
apps.
You could turn off yournotifications.
So they only hit you every sixhours instead of every always on
.
I mean, there's so much youcould do with your phone.
But uh, it's cool to seebecause the first day people
struggle with it.
So the first day peoplestruggle with the phone not
being in front of them andfiguring out what's the
difference between lonelinessand solitude, because if you're
lonely they can't be.
(22:13):
And then day two and three,they're like man, should I make
this longer?
It should be longer.
This is way good and it's just.
It's to prove yourself.
You don't need it.
How'd you come up with thenumber three, then I like longer
time away too.
But how did you come up withthree days?
(22:33):
Naturally, just from what we goover.
This is a way to be able toreset in a quicker fashion.
From just a sales point too.
Asking people to take off aweek or two weeks is a lot more
difficult than saying, hey, gowork on yourself, do a quick
reset for a few days.
But we found that, I mean, mostpeople can make that impact and
make those decisions within justa few days and it literally is
(22:56):
just because you're in stillnessand quiet and solitude again.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean it seems like a good number for me, but go
ahead, eli.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
They can go longer.
People have gone longer too,yeah, they can go longer, it's
not just three.
They can rent it out, go alittle slower, whatever that
might be, but we recommendpeople if they're checking into
an Airbnb, think about leavingon that day.
We have kind of some onboardingstuff for the day of when you
get there.
You kind of unwind and youstart going through the getting
started stuff, but then you wantfull day one, day two, day
(23:24):
three and not have to check outat like 10 am on your third day.
I want you to kind of stay thatwhole day.
So it ends up being longer ifyou look at it like that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And I love the innovativeness of it because
it's like I always in the worldof sports.
Traditionally, therapy was likehour sessions, 60 minutes In
the world of sports.
Athletes don't have that, youknow, high performers don't have
that, and so you could do thesame work in 20, 30 minutes.
And that's something I'm tryingto like, you know, train people
on and do research on and saylike, hey, we don't, we can do
the work in less time.
(23:56):
You know, it's really whateveryou put in is what you're going
to get out, and that's three-dayprogram sounds like too.
Yeah, exactly.
So the debriefs, I mean thatsounds like it's a really
important part, because you'vementioned that word a few times.
I'm putting my listeners pointof view.
I'm sure that they're hey,what's a debrief?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
yeah, it's really that that initial like word
vomit.
Essentially they are, they are,they're on a high and they have
so much and they can'tnecessarily, they don't know how
to comprehend and break it downto their spouse.
And that's something that we'reworking on is kind of
integrating with the spouse.
But they have so much they wantto talk about and talk through.
(24:32):
We just become the bumper railson a bowling alley and we just
ask them the right questions asthey go down and they debrief
their last three days.
What happened?
Walk us through day one, daytwo, day three.
What were some peak momentsthere?
What are you going to do next?
And it's really a high leveloverview.
And then we'll sit down withthem again and that's where we
(24:54):
can really start to pick apartand hold them accountable to
some of the stuff they said.
But it's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I like that Is that the mastermind calls, or that's
a little bit different, or.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
That's the debrief.
So, okay, that's the one thatcalls two of them right when
they come back um within thefirst week, and then another one
the next week, and then themastermind is after that they're
bi-weekly one hour mastermindsnice.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So you know you've talked about how rewarding it is
for you both.
Um, I'd love to hear more aboutthat sort of like how how have
you benefited?
And the reward of being able tohelp others in this journey.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, I think Eli and I we got really, really burnt
out in our last business that wewere in and we had some crazy
lows and some pretty good highs.
But we found that at our age weshouldn't be this burnt out
already.
We shouldn't be feeling digginga trench in the Valley, let
alone.
Hey, it'd be nice to feel apeak in our life.
(25:48):
Uh, and we just we had so manypeople that we naturally coached
and just naturally helpedthrough that.
We were just, we're just thepeople that people come to right
.
They were comfortable to talkto us and one of our mentors
said to us like you should getinto coaching.
What are you doing?
Why aren't you helping people?
And we got into it.
(26:09):
Our first few clients were likeholy crap, this is it.
Because someone looked at usand said this changed my life.
It builds but two.
It's just like an outpour ofeuphoria.
It's like you can't evenexplain it because how, how
you're like I did that, I helpedyou through that.
(26:30):
Um, and that's why we call thecompany peak fulfillment,
because it's not only helpingothers towards their peak
fulfillment, but every singleday.
We don't look at this as a job,as cliche as that is.
This is just our.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
This is our purpose this is our mission, this is our
calling mission.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
This is our calling, we know it is, and so we want to
lead with a name.
That, of course, is our peakfulfillment.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, would you add anything to that, eli?
Yeah, I mean on on when I wason my solo retreat, after I got
all this stuff passed me.
Day three was about visioncrafting and I said how can we
bring this to the world?
How can we get this out andstart packaging and start
getting out in people's hands?
And one of the things I wrotedown is I want to hear somebody
say this changed my life.
And when I hear that, I'll goall in and that next week sat
down and one of the studentsthat we had a lot of imposter
(27:18):
syndrome around, just really,really early on in this business
older gentlemen, a lot morewisdom than us, a lot more
wealth we had imposter syndromeand it was really early on and
one of the first things he saidwas guys, this changed my life
and it was right after myretreat and that was like, okay,
this is something.
(27:39):
Dropped everything, droppedeverything and redid this.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I mean just for listeners.
I mean, imposter syndrome isreal and you may be having it.
So I love that you guys broughtthat in, because I train
graduate students every day andthey all have it.
We all have it.
It's part of life.
It's part of life, it's part ofthe process and it's part of
growth, and so thanks forbringing that into this.
So Path Forward, the mastermindcalls.
(28:05):
How else do you sort of see theclients that have experienced a
program?
So how would you describe otherthan the ones that said you
changed my life?
I mean, how do clients kind oftake this into the future in
their path forward after they'veexperienced this program?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I mean, the biggest thing is staying plugged in with
them.
That's really the importance ofthe mastermind.
We find that people stay in itlonger than what they've already
agreed to do, and that's goingto help.
So they don't backslide, theystay accountable to do, and
that's going to help.
So they don't backslide, theystay accountable.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
uh, a few other things that we're doing is we're
working on a book right nowthat we're going to offer
everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's going to be called the clarity framework, so
a framework around clarity, alot of the stuff that we
implement in our program uh wedo in-person retreats as well,
so if you have gone through ourprogram, you just basically get
a discounted price.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Um, you can still come out to it if you didn't,
but that's the fun days gettingpeople together contrast,
therapy stuff hikes in themountains.
We're here up in central Oregonso we've got a lot of amazing
nature and outdoors and thebeautiful campfires and things
like that.
Those are kind of some of thedifferent paths that people can
go on after they've done theirretreat.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, all right.
So, as we're getting to the end, I mean this is flown.
I've learned so much and Iappreciate this.
So one piece of advice forlisteners.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
what do you got?
Yeah, I mean don't think youneed to take three days to reset
.
Sometimes we can take fiveminutes, and I know you can talk
to this with meditation, butsometimes all it takes is five
minutes to take a step back.
Talk to this with meditation,but sometimes all it takes is
five minutes to take a step back.
Remove yourself from the noise,but having the intention to
actually create a space to dothat and just be still.
You don't need to do anything,you don't need to think you need
a journal, you don't nothing.
(29:46):
It can be in a closet.
Take a step back and just seewhat happens to your inner voice
in five minutes and you'regoing to see, you're going to
start discovering some answersand you start discovering okay
maybe I do need to focus here.
Oh, it just, it just happens.
Your, your inner voice isscreaming at you, but you can't
hear it because of how loudeverything is.
It just takes five minutes.
(30:07):
Put it on your calendar everysingle day, five minutes.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, I think I would say something similar, just to
add more to it would be at leastmy advice would be give
yourself the permission to dothat.
Sometimes it just takes yousaying you know, I'm okay with
not feeling quote-unquoteproductive, especially as an
entrepreneur and a founder ifyou're out there yeah, pause and
just, you're worthy enough, youare worthy of that time, that
(30:31):
five minute I'll said, and giveyourself that permission.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
This is really great information, thank you both for
you know, sharing this with us Iknow that this is really great
information.
Thank you both for you knowsharing this with us.
I know that listeners arereally going to benefit from
peak fulfillment and, uh, youknow, for all that you brought
and I know that you guys haveyour podcast biz bros is that
that's the?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
open wow yeah oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So that was the long one.
We got a new one.
I know I shouldn't readanything, so, so let me just
stop reading.
So tell us, tell listeners,about your new podcast.
It's called the peak podcast.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
So that is the podcast.
We bring on thought leaders,founders, ceos, executives, and
we allow them to share theirpeak moment, that moment that
was kind of the catalyst intheir career that tipped them
over the edge, into theirpassion and their calling.
So it's the same question toevery guest.
We bring on 15 to 20 minuteshows where else can people find
you?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
peakfulfillmentco that's where or linkedin we're
very loud on linkedin.
Those are the two places, uh.
But yeah, peakfulfillmentco,reach out and have a chat.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So I appreciate you guys being here.
We had some live likeinteraction and coaching with
the two of you, with kyle andeli.
Yeah, we we had some uh editsthat were just, you know, didn't
get that, didn't make itthrough, uh and uh.
I I appreciate us being able tomodel the imperfection right
here on air with dr pete.
So thank you both for beinghere today thanks so much.
(31:52):
That was very fun, cool.
Well, we'll be back next week.
If you have a topic of mine,remember you can like, follow
and share.
Everything is at officialdrpetecom and we will see you
all next week.
Until then, spread a littlekindness and stay well, thank
(32:23):
you.
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