June 13, 2025 • 24 mins
Join Dr. Pete as he sits down with Chancellor K. Jackson -- a best-selling author, educator, and coach empowering aspiring writers. Chancellor's story is one of grit, perservance and the drive to keep going - you don't want to miss it!
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello and welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I hope you're all gettingoutside and enjoying the warmer
weather, at least here on theEast Coast.
I mean, chancellor, our guesttoday is in Georgia, so maybe
it's not as bad as it's been forus here in the Northeast, but
we wrapped up the year ofteaching at Rutgers and congrats
to the class of 2025.
So me, as my professor insports psychology role, I'm
ready for a break too, so that'sokay.
(00:39):
As always, we're alwaysbringing you new content and I'm
excited to share with you.
I've already mentionedChancellor Kay Jackson is with
us today.
He is a best-selling author,educator and coach empowering
aspiring writers.
He has quite a story.
So, chancellor, let's just getin.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, what's up, peter , I appreciate you for having me
.
Blessings and balance to you.
Big shout-out to everyonethat's tuning in right now.
Y'all the real MVP.
So shout out to y'all, that'sright.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So you grew up in Georgia.
I already gave that away too,so you were playing football at
Stetson University.
So tell us a bit about that andyour background.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah.
So I got the opportunity toplay down in Stetson.
I played there all four years.
For those that are familiarwith the game of football, I'm a
defensive back corner, freesafety, strong safety.
I played every position insecondary I played, had a pretty
decent college experience.
Once college came to, oncefootball came to an end, I was
(01:36):
at a crossroad, like moststudent-athletes face.
You know what I'm saying.
Once your sport comes to an end, just the whole re-identifying
aspect of trying to figure outwho you are, moving forward, um,
and life and just trying tofind your purpose.
So that just led me to justtrying a bunch of different
things because I had no cluewhat I wanted to do after
football.
So I just started applying forjobs, mainly corporate positions
(01:59):
.
Um, didn't have any successlanding any, uh.
Other positions I applied for,though I did this for about
eight months.
I'm talking about some of theseinterviews I'm landing, I'm
getting flown out for put up thehotels the whole night and I
still just kept ending upshortening the stick.
So I was like, okay, let'sre-approach this job, such a
thing, because corporate mightnot be for you family.
Looking at something else, sure, um, it's like what you good at
(02:23):
doing, talking to people,working with people.
All right, let's just look atstuff geared towards that and
going down that rabbit hole, Icame across the opportunity to
teach English to kids in China.
Nice, I moved to China, I gotapplied, got hired, first job to
tell me yes, on the other sideof the world.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Wait.
So when you're going aroundflying, you said you're applying
to coaching positions.
Like to stay in the world offootball.
Well, I was applying forcorporate positions.
Oh, corporate.
So getting out of football justdoing anything that you would
just get dressed up to go to theoffice for, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So sales, marketing, management, those types of
positions?
What did you study in school?
Communication and media studies.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, because I think we let student athletes
down in that way where we don'tnecessarily prepare them for
life after sport.
I mean, I think some of us do abetter job at that than others.
Yeah, but you know, you feel melike I think you know these
majors that we study and theydon't necessarily prepare us for
what it's like when you startapplying for all these jobs.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, facts and if you don't really do your due
diligence, you have to make sureyou major in into something
that's going to be beneficialfor you, or taking internships,
so you already have theexperience.
So once you graduate, thatain't something they holding
over your head, because that'swhat they kept hitting me with.
Oh right, we're gonna go withsomebody with a little bit more
experience.
So all you lack the experiencewas like bro, y'all knew that
was the case when I submitted myresume.
(03:39):
Yeah, well, we just said allthis up you knew that was the
case.
Yeah, I didn't get in front ofyou something to shift it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, you know that.
Well, that's corporate, that'scorporate for you.
I mean, they have this bankaccount just to spend on dinners
and get people out, but, uh,before we get to china.
So were you like, as a, all thedefensive positions, like you
said secondary, like was yourgoal to go to the nfl?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
uh, every athlete's end goal is to try to make it to
the pros.
But I, I figured that outsophomore year of college.
That, yeah, nfl probably ain'tgonna be in the future, um, but
I'm still content of you'resaying making it to division one
football you have to be.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, this is goal I always wanted, not just I,
plenty of people I knew, um,you're saying I actually got to
finish it, so I was, I wascontent with that well, and you
know there's going to be lessand less four-year athletes
today, you know, because ofwhat's going on in the college
landscape, and I think that thatis such a trophy.
You know, and and in my line ofwork I'll get guys that, like
(04:39):
you're right, most guys do thinkthat they want to go to the n,
but there is a realization thatstarts to occur at some point.
For various reasons whetherit's injuries, family, children
Things start to come up whereyou're like I don't know if this
is really what I want to keepdoing.
It's just making it where youmade it, and finishing what you
finished is by far such a bigaccomplishment.
(05:02):
It sounds like you did.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You celebrated that, that you realized that that was
the case for sure I just likeI'll cross the bridge once I get
to it, when it's time to youknow, saying just reshape my
life all over again.
And was it?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
was it something in sophomore year that made you do
that, uh?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
just well, just football in general it.
I've always faced adversitywith the game of football and
this was still first love andfirst passion.
I didn't start playing footballuntil eighth grade one, so I
was late to the game.
Most people in Georgia, mostboys, be playing football at
four or five years old.
(05:39):
So here I am 13,.
I'm just now strapping up ahelmet.
So just from the physicalaspect and the mental aspect of
the game I was so far behind soI really didn't even play for
real that first year.
So then freshman year made thefreshman team, sophomore year
played JV.
Junior year I'm trying to shootfor varsity.
(05:59):
Coaches didn't see it fit thatI was varsity ready so they put
me back on JV.
So of course my goal was toplay varsity.
I didn't get that.
That discouraged me a littlebit but I just kept my head down
, kept grinding, worked my wayto starting a role on varsity by
the end of my junior year andthen was able to start my entire
senior year on varsity.
(06:20):
So it was like that was justadversity, just to get to
varsity for sure.
But I started playing tillsenior year for real.
So once that comes to an end Iain't really got no scouts, no
interest from colleges, becauseyou know I'm saying I'm late to
the game, so but I want to playcollege football and I'm gonna,
yeah, I you are based on likethe world that we live in, in
that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
But I I started swimming in eighth grade because
I grew up in a family ofbasketball and baseball and I do
think it helps us stay a littlebit more like, like a little
healthier.
You know, because in some waysyou're right, you're not
mentally prepared but in otherways you're not as burnt out.
You know, in swimming,especially a lot of olympic
sports, you know, becausethere's no end goal in olympic
sports, you're kind of just likea hamster on a wheel because
(07:00):
you're not gonna.
You know, even if you do have aprofessional contract, it's not
going to.
You know, even if you do have aprofessional contract, it's not
going to match an NFL likerookie salary, oh man.
You know oh man Right, so Ithink that in some ways, but you
can't do it All right.
So then, so you start to dothis corporate stuff and then
all of a sudden China kind ofcomes around.
So that's where we I so talk tome about this whole idea of
yeah, so um, I'm just jobsearching.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Once I read, I was like I'm gonna re-approach this
job search thing.
I'm gonna stop looking intocorporate, look into just other
things.
And that's when I see anopportunity.
I'm just a job listening,teaching kids in china.
I'm like, yeah, that sounds litrequirements.
I'm like I feel like I can dothis.
Uh, so apply, do the interview.
They hit me back like, yeah, wewant to move forward with you.
(07:44):
I'm blown away.
I'm like bruh, the eight monthsof applying to be a total no
first job to tell me, yes, onthe other side of the world,
this is what we fit to do.
Yeah, so it was a three monthlong process, from the time the
time I actually got hired to thetime I arrived in China.
Just three months just to getthe work visa to go over there.
But once I got that, I enteredChina on October 10th 2018.
(08:06):
China was the best experienceI've ever had in my entire life,
even with you know what I'msaying 14 days.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
We're going to get to those 14 days.
Yeah, for sure.
How long were you there beforethose 14 days came about?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Six months.
I was supposed to do a year.
That's how long my contract was, but everything hit the fan
halfway through.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Halfway through it's six months.
Okay, so you get there andyou're like so excited because
you have a job and it's this newopportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh yeah, it's lit.
I'm in a whole different world.
Essentially, I'm from Atlanta,Georgia.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I'm trying to what was that like?
Nah, they have like a foreignpopulation, but compared to the
Chinese population we're a smalllittle, because I know I've had
guys that play like basketballthere or yeah, and you know,
sometimes they'll tell mestories of like people kind of
(09:01):
wanting to touch their skin orcertainly their hair, or For
sure, yeah, did you have thatexperience?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, For sure, for sure.
Yeah, but it was lit.
I enjoyed it.
Uh, working with kids that wasa vibe.
I was working with kids asyoung as three years old all the
way up to 14, but mainlyworking with the elementary
school age range kids.
Yeah, that was a vibe.
Energy was through the roofevery time.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, uh, food was amazing.
Meeting the locals, meetingother foreigners uh, everything
(09:29):
was a blast.
It was just a big adventure,everything.
This is like, like I said, I'mfrom atlanta.
We in beijing, there's a wholedifferent world, so everything
was an adventure so what are youwilling?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
so the six months was an adventure, and then for this
14, the stuff hit the fan.
I mean, you just mentioned that, so like what do you?
What do you share about that?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
so on april 4th 2019 um, it's a day off, for I'm
finna get ready to go to thisteam-builder event that the
company's hosting, which is oneof the events they're hosting,
and we're gonna be customizingChinese fans Like some silly
little thing, but I'm like it'sgonna be cool too.
I was gonna meet colleagues andother friends there, so I
pre-gamed before I went.
So I'm in an apartment bymyself drinking some Chinese
(10:07):
wine coolers, smoking a littlecannabis.
I get dressed, make sure I goteverything I need.
Before I walk out the door andI hear a knock.
Curious to see who it is, Ilook through the peephole and
there's the three officers fromthe Beijing police.
Oh, wow, randomly, so puteverything up open the door.
They question me about drugs.
I'm sitting there playing thefool like I don't know what
they're talking about.
Then they drug tested me rightthere on the spot and it was
(10:31):
over with?
Yeah, it was over with, like apee test.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Results came back instantly.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I mean, I did have that thought Like how did you
even get the cannabis Like that?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
must have been not that easy in a country like that
.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Actually, it was easier than most people can
think Okay, it's still likeanywhere else.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know what I'm saying you have people that sell
it and just, really just comeacross those people that are
distributing it.
That's the easiest way to getyour hands on it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But yeah, Not here in Jersey you got stores now.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh yeah, Y'all get out there.
You just pull up to the store.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You just pull up to the store and that's it.
It's pretty good.
So they're knocking on the doorand then you must be scared at
that moment.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm spookedbecause I'm like man, what y'all
doing here?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Y'all just pulled up randomly, but they do the drug
test.
I failed the drug test, andthis is where all forms of
communication cease to exist.
At this point they throw thecuffs on me, and now I'm just
following directions.
You know what I'm saying.
We go from precinct to precinct, so I'm eventually taken to the
jail, where I'm housed and I'mlocked up 24 hours a day, seven
(11:40):
days a week.
15 men to one cell, nine woodenbeds, three soups a day and all
I had was one plastic bowl andone plastic spoon.
Nothing was explained to me asfar as how long I'm going to be
here, what my specific chargesare.
Nobody knows.
I'm here Right now.
I'm in the same 14 otherChinese men, none of which I can
speak to, so it ain't reallylooking too good.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
No, yeah, that's scary yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But, most importantly , I had accountability.
I had to hold myselfaccountable because, like I
can't point the blame towardsanybody for me ending up in this
situation I knew mydecision-making, I knew the
repercussions from the choices Iwas making.
So now that things havetranspired and here we are, hey
man, I just got to take this tothe chin.
(12:24):
However, it's going to play out.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Football can prepare you for that, for sure In some
ways now.
So 14 days, and then are theylike you gotta, you gotta go now
like do they?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
so yeah, on the 14th day they just randomly called me
to come out.
You know, um, take me to myapartment to pack the rest of my
stuff and then straight to theairport where I'm deported from
the country and like in cuffsand stuff, or at that point they
don't have the handcuffs I wasin cuffs all the way up until oh
my god we got to the airport.
I want to say yeah, because Igot to carry all my luggage and
(12:59):
stuff I can't yeah but I'mescorted though.
You know, you thought thepresident was in town or
something.
The way they escorted methrough the airport it was crazy
.
But yeah, once I got on theplane, everything all that was
behind me.
You know what I'm saying.
If I had written this book,nobody would have known this
happened to me.
Don't follow me anywhere,nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
We'll get to the book in a moment.
So then you get back to Georgiaand then you're like all right,
let's start this all over againlike square one.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Pretty much.
I'm like well, I fell flat onmy face but picked myself up,
got to dust myself off.
You already had your foot inthe education and that's going
to open up opportunities outhere, because they see you was
teaching in China oh yeah,that's a floodgate right there.
You're going to have multipleopportunities with that Around.
(13:49):
That point in time, I got backto America and the school year
was about to end.
I'm going to have to wait untilthe following school year to
find different jobs and stuffthat I'd be able to work.
I started failing to coachfootball as well and started
writing 14 Days of Beijing.
That came to be through one ofmy good friends, demarco Reddins
(14:11):
.
He was a traditionallypublished author before we
graduated high school in 2014.
Right, he was the one that putthe bug in my ear like hey, bro,
you should write a book aboutthe child thing.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I was like, well, that's a good idea.
I didn't know where to start.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
He took my phone, went to my notes, left me a
little outline.
I just started filling in theoutline and by me doing that I
caught a feel for how I wantedto tell the story.
So I moved to a Google Doc,took me about four months to
write it and then just spent thenext six months getting ready
for publishing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So the soul searching that you talk about was that
during the 14 days, Was it onceyou get back and you're kind of
flat in your face again?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, well, it really started while I was in Beijing,
jail 6.
So so it started then and I waspretty much already just coming
up with just different ideas ofthings that I can do In the
meantime once I do get back toAmerica.
And I knew I was like I got tolink up with DeMarco.
I kept thinking about him whenI was locked down.
(15:08):
I said, well, I got to link upwith DeMarco, I kept thinking
about him.
When I was locked down, I said,bro, I got to link up because I
know once I tell him his story,he's going to know what to do.
He's going to know what to do.
And lo and behold, I was right,it would be him just digging it
.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He knew what to do.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You should write a book about it.
I was like shh, I'm sittingright there.
I'm like I got to do somethingwith this experience.
I ain't go through this withoutreason.
I got to share.
I just don't know how I'm goingto go about sharing the story.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know, just going there alone is a real adventure.
And then to have those 14 days,I mean, you know, and again, I
don't want to make it all aboutthis, but I think having the
world that we live into and, youknow, being a black man already
kind of led you to bepredisposed to some of these
situations.
(15:54):
Yeah, oh me, thanks.
And.
And so then to have that happenin a place where you're really
a minority, you know, like, ohme, it's, uh, it's, it's just
really a transformative Thanks.
In a sad way, of course, youwish you don't have to transform
based on these types ofsuffering.
And then there you are.
(16:14):
I really just sort of saw youwalking with this entourage of
cops in Beijing.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I felt for you.
I just know that that's got tofeel like, really, in some ways
you just can't wait to get onthe plane, but then you also
just want to crawl in a hole sopeople don't be looking at you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Man, yeah, I got on that plane.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm like I ain't bothered to look back yeah,
you're like get this plane inthe air.
I mean, what is you know, it'sa long flight and you're like I
can't wait just to sit here onthis plane.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know, man well, yeah a whole 10 hour flight, bro
.
I just listened to music yeahthat's one of my favorite things
to do just listen to, butthat's all I'm doing.
Oh, and I had.
I flew delta back so I hadunlimited drinks.
I said I keep these clientscoming.
Boy, y'all don't even know whatI just went through the past
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah yeah, just to celebrate in some kind of way so
you've said that you're not aproduct of your circumstances,
but you're a product of yourdecisions.
I really love that.
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
yeah, mindset is everything how you choose to
look at things, how you chooseto respond.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So you're teaching again, right, and you started a
publishing company.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes, sir, I started my publishing company in 2021, I
want to say yes, and I coachpeople through the writing and
publishing process With just allthe success.
14 days in Beijing had so manypeople came to me with questions
, comments, concerns about justwriting and publishing, and it
surprised me how many people hadaspirations to become a
(17:43):
publisher.
I always dreamed of doingsomething like that.
I'm like man, it's just an ideaI was given and I just stepped
up to the plate and knocked thatthing.
I hit a home run on my firsttime, I bet, but I was always
open and didn't gatekeep any ofthe information I had, so I
accumulated throughout thejourney.
I was giving it away and folksjust wasn't doing nothing with
(18:06):
it, though.
Then, once I created it as aservice, that's when things
changed Found two people thatwere bought in entirely.
They trusted the whole process,went through the whole writing
and publishing phase like how Ilike to do it, and not only were
they able to publish theirfirst books, but both their
(18:27):
books were number one as well.
So big shout out to AnthonyMcKinney.
That's the first author.
This book is titled theFatherless Child.
It's about his experiencegrowing up in rural Mississippi,
how he was molested before theage of 10, how that affected him
and shaped him to who he istoday.
And you also got Tanisha Sadler.
In Love is the title of herbook.
Typical high school romance Twogirls like the same star
(18:49):
football player romance.
Two girls like the same starfootball player.
He messed with both of them,but they don't know about it.
And then you know, just thattypical little high school drama
.
But it's a great story.
Um, at the time she wrote thisbook she was 15 years old wow,
16.
And I.
Only her book got number one.
She held that position.
She went number one in twodifferent genres and she held
for like nine days.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That's a big shout out to her too yeah, um so yeah,
you helped right like youhelped kind of inspire every
step of the way.
So you so you have, like this,this thread in your books, uh,
about purpose, about findingpurpose.
That's like a thread betweenall your books.
Yeah, yeah.
So what do you believe is yourlife's purpose now?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
um, just hustle and motivate.
I've always been a force ofencouragement, motivation,
wisdom, and so it's All I'mdoing is just now, just taking
that and pushing people to sharetheir stories.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Everybody has a story to tell.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Everybody has a story to tell.
You'd be surprised who yourstory can, who can relate to
your story or who your storymight be able to help.
You know what I'm saying.
That's somebody that's goingthrough it, already done, went
through it or spent to gothrough it.
Little do they know.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's where we at with it,bringing back the bare essence
of entertainment, storytelling.
We go back way, way, way, wayback before technology and all
(20:13):
of that.
What was folks doing toentertain themselves?
Sitting around telling stories,passing down.
You know what I'm saying?
Knowledge and wisdom, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, I mean I don't want to get religious, but
that's the Bible, you know, likeyou know stories, you want to
just combine stories and storiesdo help people.
I mean I'm a psychologist so itreally helps for us to kind of
put the narrative in that andobviously you could see that
your purpose and you're just areally great energy.
And I know one of your recentbook, the Power of Becoming you
(20:44):
it's already getting like a lotof really good reviews online.
It's a book collection of lifeaffirming quotes and insights
about how to break free fromlimiting beliefs and
revolutionize your happiness.
So if you could share like onepiece of advice for our audience
, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's actually it's a quote.
I'm big on quotes and the quotegoes long-winded, running
through this life like it wasmine, Never settling but setting
every goal high, 1,000 burpeesto the path to my own
destruction or success.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
(21:26):
You see, the best teaching inlife is your own experience, and
none of us know who we areuntil we fail.
They say every person isdefined by their reaction to any
given situation.
Well, who would you want todefine you?
Someone else or yourself?
Whatever you choose to do,homie, get your heart to it and
stay strong.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Nice, that's beautiful.
Yeah, thank you for that.
I'm really impressed by yourability to remember that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That's my quotes.
I've always been a fanaticalquote.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So, yeah, that's really good advice, though, too.
You know you don't want otherpeople.
You know we live in a toughworld and people.
My Zen training is thateverybody suffers.
You know, like you said,everyone has a story.
And so just being able toembrace that and accept that and
also then write your own story,Like don't let other people do
that for you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yes, and you know what I'm saying.
You went through it, so youmight as well, make a dollar off
of it, you know what I'm sayingwhy not, exactly, make a dollar
off of it?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Hey, I do that a lot with students.
You know you can help peopleand make money.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, I mean, everybody eat, that's right.
Yeah, not everybody fliesprivate though, uh.
But yeah, chancellor, thanks somuch for being here.
This, this was flew by uh.
It was really easy and great totalk to you and you've got a
great energy and thanks forsharing it with uh the world hey
, man, appreciate you for havingme Everybody tune into the
whole episode.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I told you you were real.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Appreciate y'all.
That's right, and your story isone of resilience and it's
personal growth and I know ouraudience is really going to love
hear more about you.
So where can they find you andlearn more about you?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The show.
The best search engine Google,Google, Chancellor K Jackson
literally everything you needwill pop up from social media
accounts, website, books, otherpodcast interviews.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I've done the whole nine one-stop shop yeah, you
have a great name, so I do.
I do think that does make, uh,maybe a little easier to google
you.
I mean shout out to to my mama.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
She named uh.
She got chancellor from theyoung and the restless.
Some character on the show, Idon't.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Character on the show I don't know, some soap opera,
right, I don't know it's a greatname, but you know I'm old, so
when I try and Google things Idon't find half the stuff I'm
trying to find when I Google it.
They're going to find you,though, and we'll have it in the
show notes.
So appreciate you, chancellor,again for being here.
Really great story.
Lots of great books out there.
I know I searched your Amazonauthor page, which is really
(23:53):
helpful.
You get to see everythingyou've written.
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Hello and welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I hope you're all gettingoutside and enjoying the warmer
weather, at least here on theEast Coast.
I mean, chancellor, our guesttoday is in Georgia, so maybe
it's not as bad as it's been forus here in the Northeast, but
we wrapped up the year ofteaching at Rutgers and congrats
to the class of 2025.
So me, as my professor insports psychology role, I'm
ready for a break too, so that'sokay.
(00:39):
As always, we're alwaysbringing you new content and I'm
excited to share with you.
I've already mentionedChancellor Kay Jackson is with
us today.
He is a best-selling author,educator and coach empowering
aspiring writers.
He has quite a story.
So, chancellor, let's just getin.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, what's up, peter , I appreciate you for having me
.
Blessings and balance to you.
Big shout-out to everyonethat's tuning in right now.
Y'all the real MVP.
So shout out to y'all, that'sright.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So you grew up in Georgia.
I already gave that away too,so you were playing football at
Stetson University.
So tell us a bit about that andyour background.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah.
So I got the opportunity toplay down in Stetson.
I played there all four years.
For those that are familiarwith the game of football, I'm a
defensive back corner, freesafety, strong safety.
I played every position insecondary I played, had a pretty
decent college experience.
Once college came to, oncefootball came to an end, I was
(01:36):
at a crossroad, like moststudent-athletes face.
You know what I'm saying.
Once your sport comes to an end, just the whole re-identifying
aspect of trying to figure outwho you are, moving forward, um,
and life and just trying tofind your purpose.
So that just led me to justtrying a bunch of different
things because I had no cluewhat I wanted to do after
football.
So I just started applying forjobs, mainly corporate positions
(01:59):
.
Um, didn't have any successlanding any, uh.
Other positions I applied for,though I did this for about
eight months.
I'm talking about some of theseinterviews I'm landing, I'm
getting flown out for put up thehotels the whole night and I
still just kept ending upshortening the stick.
So I was like, okay, let'sre-approach this job, such a
thing, because corporate mightnot be for you family.
Looking at something else, sure, um, it's like what you good at
(02:23):
doing, talking to people,working with people.
All right, let's just look atstuff geared towards that and
going down that rabbit hole, Icame across the opportunity to
teach English to kids in China.
Nice, I moved to China, I gotapplied, got hired, first job to
tell me yes, on the other sideof the world.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Wait.
So when you're going aroundflying, you said you're applying
to coaching positions.
Like to stay in the world offootball.
Well, I was applying forcorporate positions.
Oh, corporate.
So getting out of football justdoing anything that you would
just get dressed up to go to theoffice for, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So sales, marketing, management, those types of
positions?
What did you study in school?
Communication and media studies.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, because I think we let student athletes
down in that way where we don'tnecessarily prepare them for
life after sport.
I mean, I think some of us do abetter job at that than others.
Yeah, but you know, you feel melike I think you know these
majors that we study and theydon't necessarily prepare us for
what it's like when you startapplying for all these jobs.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, facts and if you don't really do your due
diligence, you have to make sureyou major in into something
that's going to be beneficialfor you, or taking internships,
so you already have theexperience.
So once you graduate, thatain't something they holding
over your head, because that'swhat they kept hitting me with.
Oh right, we're gonna go withsomebody with a little bit more
experience.
So all you lack the experiencewas like bro, y'all knew that
was the case when I submitted myresume.
(03:39):
Yeah, well, we just said allthis up you knew that was the
case.
Yeah, I didn't get in front ofyou something to shift it.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, you know that.
Well, that's corporate, that'scorporate for you.
I mean, they have this bankaccount just to spend on dinners
and get people out, but, uh,before we get to china.
So were you like, as a, all thedefensive positions, like you
said secondary, like was yourgoal to go to the nfl?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
uh, every athlete's end goal is to try to make it to
the pros.
But I, I figured that outsophomore year of college.
That, yeah, nfl probably ain'tgonna be in the future, um, but
I'm still content of you'resaying making it to division one
football you have to be.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, this is goal I always wanted, not just I,
plenty of people I knew, um,you're saying I actually got to
finish it, so I was, I wascontent with that well, and you
know there's going to be lessand less four-year athletes
today, you know, because ofwhat's going on in the college
landscape, and I think that thatis such a trophy.
You know, and and in my line ofwork I'll get guys that, like
(04:39):
you're right, most guys do thinkthat they want to go to the n,
but there is a realization thatstarts to occur at some point.
For various reasons whetherit's injuries, family, children
Things start to come up whereyou're like I don't know if this
is really what I want to keepdoing.
It's just making it where youmade it, and finishing what you
finished is by far such a bigaccomplishment.
(05:02):
It sounds like you did.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You celebrated that, that you realized that that was
the case for sure I just likeI'll cross the bridge once I get
to it, when it's time to youknow, saying just reshape my
life all over again.
And was it?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
was it something in sophomore year that made you do
that, uh?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
just well, just football in general it.
I've always faced adversitywith the game of football and
this was still first love andfirst passion.
I didn't start playing footballuntil eighth grade one, so I
was late to the game.
Most people in Georgia, mostboys, be playing football at
four or five years old.
(05:39):
So here I am 13,.
I'm just now strapping up ahelmet.
So just from the physicalaspect and the mental aspect of
the game I was so far behind soI really didn't even play for
real that first year.
So then freshman year made thefreshman team, sophomore year
played JV.
Junior year I'm trying to shootfor varsity.
(05:59):
Coaches didn't see it fit thatI was varsity ready so they put
me back on JV.
So of course my goal was toplay varsity.
I didn't get that.
That discouraged me a littlebit but I just kept my head down
, kept grinding, worked my wayto starting a role on varsity by
the end of my junior year andthen was able to start my entire
senior year on varsity.
(06:20):
So it was like that was justadversity, just to get to
varsity for sure.
But I started playing tillsenior year for real.
So once that comes to an end Iain't really got no scouts, no
interest from colleges, becauseyou know I'm saying I'm late to
the game, so but I want to playcollege football and I'm gonna,
yeah, I you are based on likethe world that we live in, in
that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
But I I started swimming in eighth grade because
I grew up in a family ofbasketball and baseball and I do
think it helps us stay a littlebit more like, like a little
healthier.
You know, because in some waysyou're right, you're not
mentally prepared but in otherways you're not as burnt out.
You know, in swimming,especially a lot of olympic
sports, you know, becausethere's no end goal in olympic
sports, you're kind of just likea hamster on a wheel because
(07:00):
you're not gonna.
You know, even if you do have aprofessional contract, it's not
going to.
You know, even if you do have aprofessional contract, it's not
going to match an NFL likerookie salary, oh man.
You know oh man Right, so Ithink that in some ways, but you
can't do it All right.
So then, so you start to dothis corporate stuff and then
all of a sudden China kind ofcomes around.
So that's where we I so talk tome about this whole idea of
yeah, so um, I'm just jobsearching.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Once I read, I was like I'm gonna re-approach this
job search thing.
I'm gonna stop looking intocorporate, look into just other
things.
And that's when I see anopportunity.
I'm just a job listening,teaching kids in china.
I'm like, yeah, that sounds litrequirements.
I'm like I feel like I can dothis.
Uh, so apply, do the interview.
They hit me back like, yeah, wewant to move forward with you.
(07:44):
I'm blown away.
I'm like bruh, the eight monthsof applying to be a total no
first job to tell me, yes, onthe other side of the world,
this is what we fit to do.
Yeah, so it was a three monthlong process, from the time the
time I actually got hired to thetime I arrived in China.
Just three months just to getthe work visa to go over there.
But once I got that, I enteredChina on October 10th 2018.
(08:06):
China was the best experienceI've ever had in my entire life,
even with you know what I'msaying 14 days.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
We're going to get to those 14 days.
Yeah, for sure.
How long were you there beforethose 14 days came about?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Six months.
I was supposed to do a year.
That's how long my contract was, but everything hit the fan
halfway through.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Halfway through it's six months.
Okay, so you get there andyou're like so excited because
you have a job and it's this newopportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh yeah, it's lit.
I'm in a whole different world.
Essentially, I'm from Atlanta,Georgia.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I'm trying to what was that like?
Nah, they have like a foreignpopulation, but compared to the
Chinese population we're a smalllittle, because I know I've had
guys that play like basketballthere or yeah, and you know,
sometimes they'll tell mestories of like people kind of
(09:01):
wanting to touch their skin orcertainly their hair, or For
sure, yeah, did you have thatexperience?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, For sure, for sure.
Yeah, but it was lit.
I enjoyed it.
Uh, working with kids that wasa vibe.
I was working with kids asyoung as three years old all the
way up to 14, but mainlyworking with the elementary
school age range kids.
Yeah, that was a vibe.
Energy was through the roofevery time.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, uh, food was amazing.
Meeting the locals, meetingother foreigners uh, everything
(09:29):
was a blast.
It was just a big adventure,everything.
This is like, like I said, I'mfrom atlanta.
We in beijing, there's a wholedifferent world, so everything
was an adventure so what are youwilling?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
so the six months was an adventure, and then for this
14, the stuff hit the fan.
I mean, you just mentioned that, so like what do you?
What do you share about that?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
so on april 4th 2019 um, it's a day off, for I'm
finna get ready to go to thisteam-builder event that the
company's hosting, which is oneof the events they're hosting,
and we're gonna be customizingChinese fans Like some silly
little thing, but I'm like it'sgonna be cool too.
I was gonna meet colleagues andother friends there, so I
pre-gamed before I went.
So I'm in an apartment bymyself drinking some Chinese
(10:07):
wine coolers, smoking a littlecannabis.
I get dressed, make sure I goteverything I need.
Before I walk out the door andI hear a knock.
Curious to see who it is, Ilook through the peephole and
there's the three officers fromthe Beijing police.
Oh, wow, randomly, so puteverything up open the door.
They question me about drugs.
I'm sitting there playing thefool like I don't know what
they're talking about.
Then they drug tested me rightthere on the spot and it was
(10:31):
over with?
Yeah, it was over with, like apee test.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Results came back instantly.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I mean, I did have that thought Like how did you
even get the cannabis Like that?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
must have been not that easy in a country like that
.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Actually, it was easier than most people can
think Okay, it's still likeanywhere else.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know what I'm saying you have people that sell
it and just, really just comeacross those people that are
distributing it.
That's the easiest way to getyour hands on it.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But yeah, Not here in Jersey you got stores now.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh yeah, Y'all get out there.
You just pull up to the store.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You just pull up to the store and that's it.
It's pretty good.
So they're knocking on the doorand then you must be scared at
that moment.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm spookedbecause I'm like man, what y'all
doing here?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Y'all just pulled up randomly, but they do the drug
test.
I failed the drug test, andthis is where all forms of
communication cease to exist.
At this point they throw thecuffs on me, and now I'm just
following directions.
You know what I'm saying.
We go from precinct to precinct, so I'm eventually taken to the
jail, where I'm housed and I'mlocked up 24 hours a day, seven
(11:40):
days a week.
15 men to one cell, nine woodenbeds, three soups a day and all
I had was one plastic bowl andone plastic spoon.
Nothing was explained to me asfar as how long I'm going to be
here, what my specific chargesare.
Nobody knows.
I'm here Right now.
I'm in the same 14 otherChinese men, none of which I can
speak to, so it ain't reallylooking too good.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
No, yeah, that's scary yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But, most importantly , I had accountability.
I had to hold myselfaccountable because, like I
can't point the blame towardsanybody for me ending up in this
situation I knew mydecision-making, I knew the
repercussions from the choices Iwas making.
So now that things havetranspired and here we are, hey
man, I just got to take this tothe chin.
(12:24):
However, it's going to play out.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Football can prepare you for that, for sure In some
ways now.
So 14 days, and then are theylike you gotta, you gotta go now
like do they?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
so yeah, on the 14th day they just randomly called me
to come out.
You know, um, take me to myapartment to pack the rest of my
stuff and then straight to theairport where I'm deported from
the country and like in cuffsand stuff, or at that point they
don't have the handcuffs I wasin cuffs all the way up until oh
my god we got to the airport.
I want to say yeah, because Igot to carry all my luggage and
(12:59):
stuff I can't yeah but I'mescorted though.
You know, you thought thepresident was in town or
something.
The way they escorted methrough the airport it was crazy
.
But yeah, once I got on theplane, everything all that was
behind me.
You know what I'm saying.
If I had written this book,nobody would have known this
happened to me.
Don't follow me anywhere,nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
We'll get to the book in a moment.
So then you get back to Georgiaand then you're like all right,
let's start this all over againlike square one.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Pretty much.
I'm like well, I fell flat onmy face but picked myself up,
got to dust myself off.
You already had your foot inthe education and that's going
to open up opportunities outhere, because they see you was
teaching in China oh yeah,that's a floodgate right there.
You're going to have multipleopportunities with that Around.
(13:49):
That point in time, I got backto America and the school year
was about to end.
I'm going to have to wait untilthe following school year to
find different jobs and stuffthat I'd be able to work.
I started failing to coachfootball as well and started
writing 14 Days of Beijing.
That came to be through one ofmy good friends, demarco Reddins
(14:11):
.
He was a traditionallypublished author before we
graduated high school in 2014.
Right, he was the one that putthe bug in my ear like hey, bro,
you should write a book aboutthe child thing.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I was like, well, that's a good idea.
I didn't know where to start.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
He took my phone, went to my notes, left me a
little outline.
I just started filling in theoutline and by me doing that I
caught a feel for how I wantedto tell the story.
So I moved to a Google Doc,took me about four months to
write it and then just spent thenext six months getting ready
for publishing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So the soul searching that you talk about was that
during the 14 days, Was it onceyou get back and you're kind of
flat in your face again?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, well, it really started while I was in Beijing,
jail 6.
So so it started then and I waspretty much already just coming
up with just different ideas ofthings that I can do In the
meantime once I do get back toAmerica.
And I knew I was like I got tolink up with DeMarco.
I kept thinking about him whenI was locked down.
(15:08):
I said, well, I got to link upwith DeMarco, I kept thinking
about him.
When I was locked down, I said,bro, I got to link up because I
know once I tell him his story,he's going to know what to do.
He's going to know what to do.
And lo and behold, I was right,it would be him just digging it
.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He knew what to do.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You should write a book about it.
I was like shh, I'm sittingright there.
I'm like I got to do somethingwith this experience.
I ain't go through this withoutreason.
I got to share.
I just don't know how I'm goingto go about sharing the story.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know, just going there alone is a real adventure.
And then to have those 14 days,I mean, you know, and again, I
don't want to make it all aboutthis, but I think having the
world that we live into and, youknow, being a black man already
kind of led you to bepredisposed to some of these
situations.
(15:54):
Yeah, oh me, thanks.
And.
And so then to have that happenin a place where you're really
a minority, you know, like, ohme, it's, uh, it's, it's just
really a transformative Thanks.
In a sad way, of course, youwish you don't have to transform
based on these types ofsuffering.
And then there you are.
(16:14):
I really just sort of saw youwalking with this entourage of
cops in Beijing.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I felt for you.
I just know that that's got tofeel like, really, in some ways
you just can't wait to get onthe plane, but then you also
just want to crawl in a hole sopeople don't be looking at you.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Man, yeah, I got on that plane.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm like I ain't bothered to look back yeah,
you're like get this plane inthe air.
I mean, what is you know, it'sa long flight and you're like I
can't wait just to sit here onthis plane.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know, man well, yeah a whole 10 hour flight, bro
.
I just listened to music yeahthat's one of my favorite things
to do just listen to, butthat's all I'm doing.
Oh, and I had.
I flew delta back so I hadunlimited drinks.
I said I keep these clientscoming.
Boy, y'all don't even know whatI just went through the past
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah yeah, just to celebrate in some kind of way so
you've said that you're not aproduct of your circumstances,
but you're a product of yourdecisions.
I really love that.
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
yeah, mindset is everything how you choose to
look at things, how you chooseto respond.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So you're teaching again, right, and you started a
publishing company.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes, sir, I started my publishing company in 2021, I
want to say yes, and I coachpeople through the writing and
publishing process With just allthe success.
14 days in Beijing had so manypeople came to me with questions
, comments, concerns about justwriting and publishing, and it
surprised me how many people hadaspirations to become a
(17:43):
publisher.
I always dreamed of doingsomething like that.
I'm like man, it's just an ideaI was given and I just stepped
up to the plate and knocked thatthing.
I hit a home run on my firsttime, I bet, but I was always
open and didn't gatekeep any ofthe information I had, so I
accumulated throughout thejourney.
I was giving it away and folksjust wasn't doing nothing with
(18:06):
it, though.
Then, once I created it as aservice, that's when things
changed Found two people thatwere bought in entirely.
They trusted the whole process,went through the whole writing
and publishing phase like how Ilike to do it, and not only were
they able to publish theirfirst books, but both their
(18:27):
books were number one as well.
So big shout out to AnthonyMcKinney.
That's the first author.
This book is titled theFatherless Child.
It's about his experiencegrowing up in rural Mississippi,
how he was molested before theage of 10, how that affected him
and shaped him to who he istoday.
And you also got Tanisha Sadler.
In Love is the title of herbook.
Typical high school romance Twogirls like the same star
(18:49):
football player romance.
Two girls like the same starfootball player.
He messed with both of them,but they don't know about it.
And then you know, just thattypical little high school drama
.
But it's a great story.
Um, at the time she wrote thisbook she was 15 years old wow,
16.
And I.
Only her book got number one.
She held that position.
She went number one in twodifferent genres and she held
for like nine days.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That's a big shout out to her too yeah, um so yeah,
you helped right like youhelped kind of inspire every
step of the way.
So you so you have, like this,this thread in your books, uh,
about purpose, about findingpurpose.
That's like a thread betweenall your books.
Yeah, yeah.
So what do you believe is yourlife's purpose now?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
um, just hustle and motivate.
I've always been a force ofencouragement, motivation,
wisdom, and so it's All I'mdoing is just now, just taking
that and pushing people to sharetheir stories.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Everybody has a story to tell.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Everybody has a story to tell.
You'd be surprised who yourstory can, who can relate to
your story or who your storymight be able to help.
You know what I'm saying.
That's somebody that's goingthrough it, already done, went
through it or spent to gothrough it.
Little do they know.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's where we at with it,bringing back the bare essence
of entertainment, storytelling.
We go back way, way, way, wayback before technology and all
(20:13):
of that.
What was folks doing toentertain themselves?
Sitting around telling stories,passing down.
You know what I'm saying?
Knowledge and wisdom, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, I mean I don't want to get religious, but
that's the Bible, you know, likeyou know stories, you want to
just combine stories and storiesdo help people.
I mean I'm a psychologist so itreally helps for us to kind of
put the narrative in that andobviously you could see that
your purpose and you're just areally great energy.
And I know one of your recentbook, the Power of Becoming you
(20:44):
it's already getting like a lotof really good reviews online.
It's a book collection of lifeaffirming quotes and insights
about how to break free fromlimiting beliefs and
revolutionize your happiness.
So if you could share like onepiece of advice for our audience
, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's actually it's a quote.
I'm big on quotes and the quotegoes long-winded, running
through this life like it wasmine, Never settling but setting
every goal high, 1,000 burpeesto the path to my own
destruction or success.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
(21:26):
You see, the best teaching inlife is your own experience, and
none of us know who we areuntil we fail.
They say every person isdefined by their reaction to any
given situation.
Well, who would you want todefine you?
Someone else or yourself?
Whatever you choose to do,homie, get your heart to it and
stay strong.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Nice, that's beautiful.
Yeah, thank you for that.
I'm really impressed by yourability to remember that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That's my quotes.
I've always been a fanaticalquote.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So, yeah, that's really good advice, though, too.
You know you don't want otherpeople.
You know we live in a toughworld and people.
My Zen training is thateverybody suffers.
You know, like you said,everyone has a story.
And so just being able toembrace that and accept that and
also then write your own story,Like don't let other people do
that for you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yes, and you know what I'm saying.
You went through it, so youmight as well, make a dollar off
of it, you know what I'm sayingwhy not, exactly, make a dollar
off of it?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Hey, I do that a lot with students.
You know you can help peopleand make money.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, I mean, everybody eat, that's right.
Yeah, not everybody fliesprivate though, uh.
But yeah, chancellor, thanks somuch for being here.
This, this was flew by uh.
It was really easy and great totalk to you and you've got a
great energy and thanks forsharing it with uh the world hey
, man, appreciate you for havingme Everybody tune into the
whole episode.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I told you you were real.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Appreciate y'all.
That's right, and your story isone of resilience and it's
personal growth and I know ouraudience is really going to love
hear more about you.
So where can they find you andlearn more about you?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The show.
The best search engine Google,Google, Chancellor K Jackson
literally everything you needwill pop up from social media
accounts, website, books, otherpodcast interviews.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I've done the whole nine one-stop shop yeah, you
have a great name, so I do.
I do think that does make, uh,maybe a little easier to google
you.
I mean shout out to to my mama.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
She named uh.
She got chancellor from theyoung and the restless.
Some character on the show, Idon't.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Character on the show I don't know, some soap opera,
right, I don't know it's a greatname, but you know I'm old, so
when I try and Google things Idon't find half the stuff I'm
trying to find when I Google it.
They're going to find you,though, and we'll have it in the
show notes.
So appreciate you, chancellor,again for being here.
Really great story.
Lots of great books out there.
I know I searched your Amazonauthor page, which is really
(23:53):
helpful.
You get to see everythingyou've written.
So thanks again for being here,my man.
Thank you, amen, appreciate you, fam.
Thank you for listening at home.
Your feedback and support keepsthis podcast going and I look
forward to bringing new contentto you all summer long.
So, as always, please like,follow and share at
officialdrpetecom and I see youback here next week.
Until then, spread a littlekindness and stay well.
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