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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello and welcome
back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I'm your host, dr Pete Economo,and I'm excited.
I don't know where summer isgoing.
It is just flying by and lotsof ups and downs in the
headlines.
Heart goes out.
In the US we've had a bunch offlash floods, so those in Texas,
even here in New Jersey we'veactually had lightning strikes
and floods, and so my heart goesout to those folks that were
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affected by that.
But life is precious and it canchange in an instant, and loss
of life is never easy.
But the devastating news is areminder that we have to stay
present and be grateful forevery moment, and that's why
today I'm very grateful for ourvery special guest, dr Yvette
Rose.
She is an accomplished author,speaker, holistic counselor,
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trauma recovery expert and thecreator of metaphysical anatomy
and metapsychology coaching.
So Dr Rose has taught hertrauma-informed healing in more
than 43 countries.
Very impressive, in fact, asbefore we got on I was saying I
haven't visited most of thosecountries.
So Dr Rose welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Thank you so much, dr
Pete, for that warm welcome,
and I'm thrilled to be here withyou today.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I'm so excited for
this conversation because, even
though I'm a psychologist andmost of my colleagues don't
understand this stuff or want toeven accept it.
I love it, so this is likeright up my alley.
So welcome again.
I love this.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I know you've got a
bit of a personal story, so what
would you like to share with usabout, you know, introducing
yourself to our listeners?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So just to start off
with the plot twist, because
everyone knows me as and it'sfunny because I didn't know this
Apparently I'm called themetaphysical lady.
I had no idea.
This is now my new nickname,and what this normally refers to
is really that space betweenyou and I where things are
happening right, you know.
For example, when you seesomeone sitting there, you can
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see their face, but you suddenlyjust feel this drop in you.
It's like something justdoesn't feel right, Whether you
feel sad or depressed, but youcan feel there's a difference in
in your emotional state, butthere's absolutely nothing to
indicate or to prove to you whatyou shifted, what just happened
.
Why would I feel the way that Ijust did looking at that person
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?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
there's no evidence
to validate why I feel the way
that I do yeah, and just forlisteners, like that could be,
like at the airport, at theplayground, it doesn't matter,
right?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's that feeling,
it's that instinctive response
Some people would say.
But it doesn't mean thatthere's something bad with the
person.
There's something wrong withthe person.
It's that we're actuallypicking up intuitively on what
they're feeling.
There's a resonance, perhaps,maybe in us, or maybe we're just
sensitive, we're empaths and wecan pick up what the other
person is feeling.
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So there's this beautiful, thisdance between us as humans
that's taking place and that'swhat I love the world
metaphysical.
That's why my book is calledMetaphysical Anatomy.
The word meta it actually meansthat overarching space between
you and I where something ishappening, but we can see what
it is, but we feel it andtherefore we know that something
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is taking place.
And this is where my curiositygot sparked and I wanted to dive
into.
What is this space, what ishappening between you and I,
where there's no indication ofyou explaining to me or showing
me that I should be thinking,that you're sad.
But it's a feeling and it's sostrong, it convinces you that
something's going on.
It pulls your attention awayfrom what was happening or what
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you were maybe thinking at thattime.
And let me tell you, if I toldyou that I had no intention on
being an author.
I had no intention on workingwith people or helping people,
nevermind working on myself.
I wanted to become a crimescene investigator.
I wanted to become a lawyer.
That was, and I studied it.
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That's how passionate I was,and so in hindsight, with a bit
of a funny pun on it, now Irealize I actually ended up
still becoming a crime sceneinvestigator but of emotion.
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Because now I look at the crimethat emotions leave behind in
the human body and the damagethat it can do if we don't
manage it correctly, if we don'tunderstand what our emotions
are or how to read them, how tointerpret them, because
sometimes we think we apply asolution to the problem, but
it's because we don't understandwhat the problem is.
We end up applying the wrongsolution, so we become the
hamster in the wheel, right.
So this is where my own journeystarted, with just being on my
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own knees almost literally, infigurative speech.
I mean, no one reallynecessarily stepped into
personal development and this isnot in all cases for everyone.
That's listening.
That's right.
This was my case, but I noticedthe majority of it and a lot of
people will nod their heads.
We don't get into personaldevelopment because our lives
are fantastic.
We're looking for something.
There's a missing element, andI was one of these people
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looking for a missing element.
But my case was quite severe.
I was at the absolute end.
I was an atheist, I wanted toend my life.
I hated how my life played out.
My dad was a self-medicateddrug addict, he was a clinically
diagnosed sociopath and I wasthe only child and he was a very
difficult person to live with.
I mean to grow up with someonethat has a neurological chemical
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cocktail that is so differentto yours and and consistently
invalidating you and how youfeel and gaslighting the the
sense of identity distortionthat that caused was incredible,
incredible.
And so, because of thisdysfunctional foundation that I
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had, and growing up with otherkids and seeing what life
actually is like, that my normalis not their normal, I started
questioning Right.
So always in the back of mymind, I continue to just observe
and learn and stay curious.
So, long story short, the waythat I cope with my life became
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so destructive because violence,abuse and self-abuse regulated
my nervous system sure but whathappened was because that was my
normal right.
Yes, we know, when we look atneuroscience, when we look at
psychology, when we look at thenervous system before the age of
three, we're completely wiredin our nervous system and that
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is what regulated my nervoussystem.
It didn't have any otherreference.
So I had to relearn what safetyfelt like.
I didn't say to feel safe, feltunsafe.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Let me put it like
that yeah, a lot of people don't
understand that.
So where was that?
Like so, when you first sawthese other kids and realize
that your normal was not normal,where in the world was that?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
This was in South
Africa when I had a friend who
come to play at my house and,yeah, 10 minutes later I just
saw her mom pull up at thedriveway and she packed her bag
because she was supposed tosleep over at my house packed
her bag and left and the momsaid I'm so sorry, but my
daughter cannot come here again.
And I was in tears and I didn'tunderstand what just happened.
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I had no idea and that'sbecause my dad had a fight with
his business partner and hethrew the phone through the door
, like the door was open, but hethrew it from one room to the
other and for me that was just anormal day.
But she freaked out, she calledher mom and the mom is just
like I can't have this.
And I'm like what do you mean?
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You can't have this.
So do you understand that split, that, that complete awakening
of that's not normal.
Yeah, so that that was wherethings really started to open up
for me, because I startedlosing friendships.
I couldn't go to other people'shouses, people didn't want to
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associate themselves with me,even though I'm not my father, I
didn't, but I carried the bruntof his reputation, right, even
though he was a high profileperson, which made it worse.
It made it 10 times worse thecharmer outside and then the
abuser behind closed doors.
People wouldn't believe meunless they actually witnessed
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it themselves.
So this was he was my referencefor what a relationship is like
.
He was my reference for whatmen are like.
So now you can only imagine.
This was my reference for whatI grew up with and the type of
partners that I attracted.
But, of course, the moreexposure you get to the outside
world and this was when I movedto Australia I started seeing,
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wow, women are respected.
Oh, my goodness, women aretreated with kindness.
And I'm like where did I justland?
And my awakening was when a ladycame to my office, when I was
talking to my partner, who weworked at the same company, and
we were at a dinner, a companydinner and that Monday she came
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to me.
She said Yvette, I'm reallyconcerned, I need to talk to you
.
And I said to her of course youcan.
What is it?
And she's and her voice startedbecoming almost like a whisper
and she said Yvette, did youknow that you are an abusive
relationship?
Oh, wow, you could have smackedme over with the feather.
This woman barely knew me and Isaid to her why would you say
that?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, you were
offended.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I was speechless, I
froze, and she said to me the
way that he spoke to you infront of people, that didn't
make you feel uncomfortable.
I'm like, can you tell me theexact moment?
And she talked me through itand she had to really lay it out
for me that that's not okay.
And this was my awakening, thatsomething that she said.
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Being this compassionatewitness, I can't explain it to
you.
Something in me just switchedon and I started asking
questions and I started lookingat things from a different
perspective and I kid you not, amonth later, going from being
an atheist wanting to end mylife to diving deep into
personal development right,instead of finding how to end my
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life, I I ask how to be happyand when you say personal
development, like how did thepersonal development cross over
into the meta?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I want to get back
into that space.
I love how you put that spacebetween people.
How did it?
Go from personal development,to the space, to the meta work.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What happened was the
more I started to work on
myself, the more I started totalk to the anxiety that was
within, because I had verysevere anxiety myself.
The more I started to talk tothe anxiety that was within,
because I had very severeanxiety problems like really,
really severe.
And the more I started to talkto the anxiety, the more I
started to hear my mother'svoice and I'm thinking why is my
mother's voice in me?
And I started to realize somuch of her behavior that I
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copied her anxious thoughts, heranxious behavior.
And the more I started toseparate her identity from
myself and started to workthrough processes where I took
on per se, really, her anxietyand the shifts and the
incredible changes that I saw inmy life.
I'm thinking, wow, there has tobe more to this, there has to
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be more.
And that was the turning point.
That was the point where Irealized I felt in like 10 out
of 10 anxious.
And then suddenly I'm dealingwith something where a
practitioner would help methrough it by identifying this
more as my mom's anxiety that Itook on and then feeling the
difference when it shifted andit's not coming back and I'm
thinking, wait, what justhappened?
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Yeah, so this was copiedbehavior.
You know, we watch our parentsas we grow up.
We can take on people'semotions.
I mean, have you ever spoken tosomeone and you walk away and
you feel really bad because thatperson was also feeling bad
Maybe they were going throughsomething and you just feel
really heavy that whole day.
It's like you can't shake it.
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We have all experienced that.
This is not a phenomenon, thisactually happens.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Of course, as I
started, like, this is something
I definitely believe in and oneof the things I talk about a
lot with my colleagues is intraining graduate students.
This is a hard thing to train,you know.
You can do the self work, butyou know, I think about that, I
think about this justneurologically from the enteric
nervous system.
Like how do I connect with thatgut so I can really feel that
inner space, which is reallyhard.
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And then you have to putboundaries in place.
So, like to your point, likenot carrying it, you know.
So not carrying your mother'sstuff, your father's stuff, but
also clients, you know, becauseI know you've worked with over
7000 clients.
So I'd love to hear somestrategies you have for not
carrying their, all of theirstuff.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
This was one of the
biggest challenges that I had,
because I would consider myselfas an empath and my boundaries
were wait.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Let's define that for
people, because I think you
know you and I know that verywell.
But how would you define anempath?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
so, to be honest, I'm
going to speak from my
perspective, because a lot ofpeople are empaths and it
doesn't mean that everyone whoare empaths necessarily had a
traumatic child.
Some people are just verysensitive people by nature.
I went the other extreme,whereas I feel I became an
empath as a result of the traumathat I went through as a child,
which means that, for safetyreasons, I had to become
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hypersensitive to what you werethinking, feeling.
If there's a micro split,second shift in your eyes or
your pupils dilated, I'm goingto read your body language to
see if am I safe or not?
Because I have to do that withmy father.
I can tell you by the way thathe parked the car at the front
door whether there was going tobe chaos in that house.
I can tell you whether he'sgoing to break a plate.
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I can tell you whether he'sjust going to sit on the couch
and pass out.
I can.
I can predict that withabsolute accuracy just by the
way that he parks in front ofthe house or the way that the
keys go into the front door.
Right, so just these differentsensitivities.
Your nervous system starts toread your environment and my
sensitivity stemmed from am Isafe or not?
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And this is a nervous systemwiring that you don't just shake
off right.
I mean, I'm from South Africato this day when I walk into I'm
41 now.
When I walk into a house or ina room that I'm not familiar
with, the first thing I do is Ipush the door until it hits the
wall to make sure no one isstanding behind it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And it's purely
instinctive.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Purely instinctive,
not that I feel unsafe, but my
nervous system is hey, checkthat.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I'm going to
say you know, I love that you
preface this by saying that thisis your perspective and that
you know your trauma informedthis, but I will say that the
way that the brain works, it isabout safety.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
So all of us,
Absolutely, but I just want to
be respectful for some people,because not everyone has made
that connection and it's it's abeautiful but delicate journey
that needs to be handled withlove, with compassion and and
with great care right so,wherever it is yeah, and I love
that.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And it's evolutionary
, you know, like so, for any
listener that might be a littledefensive around that, that is
how we've stayed alive, you know.
It's really it's what separatesus as a species from others
that we have the ability tounderstand that from, like our
frontal lobe.
Understand, you know, and thenalso how to gauge it.
So I love the metaphor ofpushing the door to make sure
there's no one behind there.
I think a lot of people willconnect with that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Absolutely, and I
mean discomfort is normal, like
you said it's evolutionary.
We're not going to evolve ifthere's no discomfort.
So if things were alwaysperfect the whole time, we would
not have evolved to the pointwhere we are.
We would probably still bechopping away with fire, and you
know speaking I don't know whatlanguage, but to get that to
your point, to get back to theempath, you know the empath
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within me and how I dealt withthat.
So the first thing for me, whatI noticed is that psychological
boundaries translates intoenergetic boundaries.
I noticed that the more Iworked on my fear of setting
boundaries, the safer I feltwith setting boundaries, the
less I felt traumatized ordistressed by rejection from
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someone else, the easier it wasfor me to set boundaries.
Because just to tap on thatvery ever.
So briefly, the fear ofrejection is one of the biggest
fears that people have and theydon't realize that fear of
rejection is often bigger thanfear of public speaking and fear
of dying.
Why?
Because fear of rejectiontriggers the fear of dying,
instinct of response, and a lotof people don't realize that.
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And the reason why is becausein tribes, you know, we grew up
in tribes.
That's still wired in ournervous system.
So if you were rejected from atribe, you didn't conform and
and yes and amen and do what youwere supposed to do, your
chances of survival have nowdecreased.
Your ability to find food,shelter, water, everything is
gone right.
So it triggers a direct fear ofdying response and that's why a
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lot of people I mean there'smany other reasons, but from
what I've seen, why people canstay stuck in very toxic
circumstances is because of avery primal fear.
But that sets aside attachmentstyles, that sets aside what
regulates our nervous systemright.
So, like I said, it's one ofthe reasons.
And so I learned, when Istarted to toss that fear of
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rejection really work on myself-esteem and not needing
people's validation for mysurvival and for me to exist,
that I exist independentlybecause I choose to exist and
I'm standing strong in that.
This is when I started to feelless and less of people's
emotions impacting me, and whatI mean by saying that is when a
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client sits in front of me, Ican tell you in seconds whether
they have thyroid problems, dothey have heart palpitations?
You can feel all these things,but within a few seconds it goes
away.
So it comes in a wave and thenit goes away.
And the reason why it goes awayis that the resonance for that
in my body, meaning the traumaanchors, is just not there
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anymore.
So now I can powerfully holdspace for people and take them
wherever it is that they are andmove through it with them.
And here's a tip for anyone elsewho are working with people and
you are affected by theirstress the beautiful thing that
you can do and do this with aclient, because they will have
no idea that you're feelingtriggered and you need to
regulate and just ground back inyourself.
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Right, because you have to keepa poker face.
You cannot show one microsecondof this stress because you're
that person's rock.
So what you can do for everyoneelse is to breathe in your
mouth and out the nose 13 times,last breath.
Hold it as long as you can.
You're going going to feeldizzy.
Drop into it, feel thestillness, come forward, exhale
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out of your nose and I promiseyou 100% guaranteed you're going
to be 80% more calmer and sowill your client.
And now what happened is calledco-regulation.
Now the session can moveforward in a more controlled and
grounded manner and you canstay more focused, because it's
hard to stay focused when you'refeeling stressed and your body
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saying run and you're like, runwhere Right when that spikes of
frontal cortex pinches, and thenwe still need to stay focused
on the client.
So that's a beautiful strategy,I think, for anyone to use, so
you don't lose face and you bothyou both you and the client can
go into that beautiful space.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I love that example.
So thank you for that and youknow, I think that's a little
different than what people know.
You know because it's always inyour nose, out your mouth, and
so I'd like to, I like justtrying to mix that up a little
bit.
Especially the behaviorist inme loves that bit.
Especially the behaviorist inme loves that.
Um, I'm curious, I mean.
So a couple things I love.
Earlier you talked about, uh,emotions are, are crime.
You know you wanted to go intoforensics and uh, I feel like
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that should be a t-shirt andbecause it's so, it's so real in
some ways, like I think somepeople uh I wanted to go back to
that because I think thatthat's so, it's emotions can
feel like a crime, and I thinkthat's why I love that we're
talking about this empath thing,because, as practitioners, if
you're holding it, that's whenit's really a crime.
It's criminal for you to holdall of that emotion and you have
to find ways to let it out.
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So the breathing is onetechnique.
Um, what about, like othertechniques that you would maybe
suggest for?
Um, and actually, how do youwork with your clients?
So like if's listening, likewhat's the process from like
start to finish, for you?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Pete, I'm going to
challenge you now a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Do it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Just a little bit I
love it.
Because I've worked withatheists, I've worked with
doctors, I've worked with thewhole lot.
And a lot of people come andthey sit in front of me and you
can just see the blank stare andthey're like I don't believe in
Pete.
If you can look at someone andyou can feel something's going
on, but there's no evidence asto why You're feeling what that
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person's concentrating on.
And somehow there's feedbackcoming between your body and
that person's body.
Now why is that?
Energy flows where your focusis.
So if your focus is on thatperson and you can pick up what
they're feeling and there's anactual visceral shift, there's a
biochemical shift in your body.
Imagine, have you askedyourself the question?
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And imagine what's going tohappen if you're so focused on a
solution, orientated state,with an unwavering belief of
healing, release and shift thateven someone who doesn't believe
in you cannot touch that belief.
What do you think is going tohappen?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Love it.
I'm with you.
I love it.
I love the process.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And neuroscience,
it's called co-regulation, yeah
yeah.
That is how we co-regulate.
But people don't know how to,just through meditation, get
into that state and the micro-ex, micro expressions on your face
.
All of this plays a role.
That's why you heard me earliersay poker face right.
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This is incredibly important.
It's not that you'reemotionless, because that person
is going to read your face.
They're constantly looking forfeedback.
Am I wrong?
Did I say something stupid?
You know, is she upset with me?
Does she not like me, me?
Does she maybe not like myshirt?
You know, when you work withpeople who are, you know, been
through a lot of trauma, they'rewatching you like you wouldn't
believe.
I think a lot of practitionersdon't realize how clients are
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watching us so that's why, forsure yeah poker face.
It is incredibly.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Now some people might
hear that and think it's
disingenuous, and I'm going tosay it's skill.
You know it is part of ourskill.
So you did say you're going tochallenge me and I will say that
had I not already done my work,you would have challenged me.
But I love, because I reallylove that.
And you know, I'm a cognitivebehavioral therapist and so we
are all about random controltrials and efficacy therapists,
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and so we are all about randomcontrol trials and efficacy and
right.
And so I and one of my like my,like best friend colleague,
like my, my work wife, one ofthem, uh, you know she is more
of freudian kind ofpsychoanalytic, which is all
process based.
You know it's and she'll sayyou know what, pete, if it works
for one person, that'sevidence-based.
You know, and I and I feel likethat's what we're talking about
, like this, you can't measuremetaphysics really well, can we?
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Are there lights, or there arecertain things that we can
measure metaphysics?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
um, honestly, the
only thing from my perspective,
what we can measure is theresults, and if you consistently
have results of helping peopleabove 50 percent consistently
and the result stays above 50percent, I think, I think we're
doing well I think we're doingwell.
Whether it's pain, whether it'saddiction, whether it's
emotional trauma, whether it'schronic pain, I think we're
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doing pretty well, right?
So?
something is happening, but thework is not just with
co-regulation.
You have to keep in mind thisbilateral processing also.
You know that that we use, andthere's uh, there's gentle
meditation that we also use.
We take the person back intothe theta state, which is the
programming state that we're inbefore the age of seven, you
know.
So these states are all reallyimportant that, when brought
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together in perfect harmony, inthe correct order, you know the
missing resources.
What did you need to feel inorder to have felt stronger in
that moment?
What would that look and feellike now?
What do you need in your lifein order to bring that in right
now?
Right, so they really truly isa process.
This is not just like sittingthere and staring at the person
like until they get better.
It doesn't work that way.
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There is a beautiful processinvolved and steps that that we
take during the technique tohelp people to get them into a
really great, great place.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, so you talked
about you know early early
childhood trauma and I know youwork with both children and
adults, right, and so like howdoes that work?
Maybe vary, you know, forlisteners to kind of hear, maybe
they're thinking about theirchild, or you know how does it
vary the work between the twogroups so for adults, of course,
it's easier to ask the bigger,straightforward questions, but
with children, what we like todo is we work with color.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So you know, we
assess where the different
colors are being used, what theemotional state is, and for us,
when we start to measure as wellfor children, like when you
feel really sad, how big is it?
Is it like this big or is itlike that big?
So we really like to usevisualizations.
You know something that theycan connect to, and I love to
work with the child's values andbelief system.
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So I will ask the parent whatis your religion?
Do you believe in angel, do youbelieve in something?
What is your superhero, and soforth.
So children's imaginations cango wild and we use that with to
to our advantage, right?
So, for example, if a child hadtrauma, we'll call in the
superhero, we'll call in god orjesus, whatever it is that they
believe in the most that holdspower in their life.
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We'll have a box.
We're going to put the trauma,the stress, in the box.
We're going to put the box atthe window and they're going to
come and get it that night.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So it's really about
helping a child to heal through
imagination, because it reallyworks it does yeah it actually
works and it's so beautiful itis yeah, so you I've also read
that you said about like sayingyes to life, yes, and and I
wonder you know?
there's a lot of that out there,and so, like, how do you put
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that into practice?
Because I, all of us, ifsomething scares me, you know,
there's a lot of that out there.
And so, like, how do you putthat into practice?
Because all of us, if somethingscares me, you know what, dr
Yvette, I want to say yes, butI'm scared, you know.
So how do you kind of encouragepeople or like, how would you
frame this yes to life idea foryou?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
In a three bullet
point.
I said yes to life when myemotions nearly killed me.
I said yes to life when myemotions nearly killed me and I
had a stress-induced heartattack just before I turned 30.
And when I realized the powerof emotions, that's when I said
yes to life and no to toxicemotions that I was trying to
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run away from.
Saying yes to life was soimportant that it helped me to
turn things around, to realizewhat I was running away from was
emotions.
But that's the very thing thatwe need to embrace to be able to
guess where it is that we wantto be right.
So emotions is the GPS of thesoul.
This is what's going to tellyou what makes you happy, what
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makes you sad, what you want andwhat you don't want.
If you you suppress that,you're suppressing your voice.
Of course you're going to feellost.
No wonder you don't know whatyou want to do or where you want
to be, because you can't feelyour way through that right.
So that freeze response, thatphone collapse, that
dissociation, it can become areally comfortable place with
all those little endorphinsthat's going off when we're
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stuck in that place.
But this is also what's cuttingyou off from where it is that
you want to be right, so we canassist the body if we can feel
what it wants and needs.
It doesn't speak english.
It speaks to you throughsymptoms and emotions when
there's a problem.
It's not failing you.
It is working for you, your.
You are your body's onlypurpose.
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It doesn't have another purpose.
So my yes to life was sayingyes to my emotions, was saying
yes, I'm listening, yes, I hearyou, yes, I love you and yes,
let's work through this.
I didn't see it as somethingthat needs to be attacked or
diminished or suppressed.
It needs to be attacked, ordiminished or suppressed.
It needs to be heard and if youcan hear it correctly and truly
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understand what these emotionsare trying to tell you, I
promise you you will apply thecorrect solution and put it to
rest.
But because we understand it ifwe receive it with grace and not
through judgment and attack.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Said so beautifully
in the ACT language acceptance
and commitment therapy thereStephen Hayes would be so proud.
It's like you know.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Dr Pete.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, I love that.
I love it.
So you've written a lot ofbooks, but just tell us about
the metaphysical anatomy.
I think that that's something.
Maybe that listeners reallywant to.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Every book is about.
A book is a part of my life.
So everything has been my real,true lived experiences and
metaphysical anatomy wasactually birthed working with
all these thousands of peoplenoticing, my goodness, someone
in Canada have arthritis intheir left hand and someone in
Australia have arthritis intheir left hand, but you have
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the same trauma, but you havedifferent diets, you have
different upbringing, you havedifferent cultural values and
beliefs.
And I'm thinking, well, oh, mygoodness, I just met someone in
Japan, also with arthritis inthe left hand, and they have the
same trauma.
I'm like what is this?
How is this possible?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So put it together.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I started documenting
, I put it all together and
someone told me have you heardof Louise Hay?
And I'm like, who is that?
I mean, this is way 16 yearsago.
I'm like who is that?
And so I pulled out her bookand I looked at it and I was
thinking I don't want toreinvent the wheel.
So I asked the question what ismissing?
And it's the trauma, it's thepatterns, what is perpetuating,
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what is locking in thesebehavioral patterns and symptoms
in the body that's causing theperson to not shift?
Yeah, and that became the mainfocus, and so that's where I
started to pull all the datafrom all the people that I
started working on.
And I'm an observer, I watch, Ipeople watch, right, I love to
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sit there and just watch people.
You watch the body language,the, the way they talk and all
of that, and just gives you thiswhole story, sure of what could
potentially be happening forthat person, not as a factual
fact, but just what couldpotentially be going on.
The body has a way ofcommunicating, absolutely, and
it's normally why it has.
No, there's no purpose orthere's no reason for it to lie.
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Its sole purpose is to keep youalive.
Why would it lie?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And you can't lie to
yourself either.
Well, that is so beautiful.
I mean, they say time flieswhen you're having fun.
I just can't believe how we'realready at the end.
This is so wild.
I know there's so much more,but hopefully listeners heard
this.
I mean, Dr Yvette, you're sowonderful and this is really
good work and important work,and I know that you know you've
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thousands of people that you'vehelped, and I know listeners are
also going to want to learnmore about your books and your
website.
We'll have all that in the shownotes, but where would you,
where would they go to find you?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
They can find me at
metaphysicalanatomycom or dr
Yvette Rose official onInstagram and event videoscom
for YouTube.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Wonderful.
So, yeah, we'll have all thatin the show notes and head over
to that, cause this is reallyimportant stuff.
And if, especially if, you arelistening, thinking this is not
real, or even more so for you,then is what I would say, cause
I think if there's not somethingI've learned in my process that
this is really for everybody,it's just a matter of when
you're ready for it.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Uh, so the books are
also being used in universities
and hospitals and everywhere.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So yes, as well, they
should be going on.
Something's going on somethingis going on well it's.
It's this blend of east andwest, and I think it's it's time
it's time.
So thank you for bringing thatto, and thank you so much for
being here today and sharingyourself with us, and thank you,
I really appreciate it and forthe listeners your support is
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always appreciated, so like,follow and share everything's at
official Dr P and I'll see youback here next week.
Until then, spread a littlekindness and stay well.