March 28, 2025 • 25 mins
Tune in for an inspiring conversation with Dr. Pete and Andy Grant and learn how to live a life you LOVE. Andy is a transformational energy coach & the founder of Real Men Feel. Andy turned his life around and is here to share how to start the path of your own healing journey.
Learn more about Andy here: https://theandygrant.com
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I'm your host, dr Pete Economo.
I'm thrilled again to be herewith you today with another
amazing guest.
As you know, we would like tobring you some amazing people to
just share their wisdom andexpertise.
I like to say I'm an expert innothing, and so to bring the
experts on is really great, soI'm looking forward to share
another incredible guest withyou.
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This is a husband, worldtraveler, actor, speaker,
teacher, lifelong learner,suicide prevention activist.
He really believes in living alife you love, which I really
like that.
So he works with energy as alife activation healer,
certified healer and a ritualmaster.
So he's the creator.
Andy Grant is the creator ofReal Men Feel, and today we're
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going to discuss why and how toget men to open up about their
feelings and to communicate.
Andy, thanks for coming on theshow.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
My pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So how would you describe yourself?
What's your elevator pitch forpeople?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, the quickest thing.
I'm an author, coach and healer.
And then you're like what doesthat mean?
Or healing of what so, yeah, Ijust keep it short to encourage
a conversation and a question.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Author coach and healer.
So I think let's talk abouthealer, then let's dive right
into that.
So how do you heal and wheredoes that come from?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Source, god, the universe, whatever it is All.
Healing is self-healing, yes,and healers are just people that
help facilitate that.
Yes, so sometimes I'm trulydirecting energy to a client,
sometimes energy is comingthrough me and I'm like a straw
and giving energy.
Most people, at least by now,are familiar with Reiki.
Yes, and even before that Imean chiropractic was considered
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like crazy fringe stuff notlong ago, and now that's just
everywhere and accepted.
But yeah, you know, everythingis energy.
Yeah, we are all doing energywork every day with our eyes,
taking in rays and visiblespectrums and contribute them,
and and we hear things thataren't there.
Oh my God, well, that's hearing,right, uh wifi magic in the air
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and it's all connected or notconnected, depending on how you
use it right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, we remember the dial-up too, oh yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm glad that sound's gone of my life.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We've come a long way .
You know I love this stuff,which I said to you before we
started recording.
I know that a lot of people Iwork with are and.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I hate to start with this right away.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
But the skeptics.
I feel like someone's tuning inand being like Reiki oh, tune
off.
Let me just switch and go tothe next podcast episode.
I was the same way yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Everything I do on a daily basis is something I made
fun of for years, but then Itried it.
So my go-to line around energywork is energy work is much
better experienced thanexplained.
Oh, I like that and I are you.
Are you willing to have anexperience?
yeah and then we put somethingto schedule.
Um, I do akashic recordreadings.
I can read people's energiesand then I also have the healing
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.
So usually a 10-minuteexperience makes people go like,
whoa, that's all I'm after,like something else is here.
You know, I used to think I wasjust this meat suit.
I was a random collection ofchemicals.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I was wrong and I'm glad to be wrong about that.
Yeah, but you know we areimmortal spirits.
Yes, right, we're here, havingan experience, good, bad and
different, but we will continue.
We existed before here, we'llexist.
We existed before, here willexist after it as well.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah.
And again, I think even thatlike immortal spirits, I get
that and I can totally mess withit, like I love this stuff, and
so I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople that are like what is
that?
You know what's an immortalspirit and how do we know?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, I've had an.
I don't recommend my path.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, let's hear your path.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
My path involved being a very depressed and
suicidal young person.
Okay, multiple attempts on mylife, my teens and twenties.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And it took me all that to realize maybe I'm
supposed to be here, like, maybethere is a point, maybe I'm
more than this.
And yeah, you know, the firsttime I had sort of an an out of
body experience or hearinganother voice or presence.
You know, I was used to thecritic you suck another voice, a
presence.
I was used to the critic yousuck, everything sucks, you
don't do anything right, youshould kill yourself.
I knew that voice.
At one point, at 19 years old, Ihad made another attempt on my
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life using a means that hadalready not worked.
I'm now repeating things thatdon't work.
It finally dawns on me I don'tthink you really want to die.
Something else is going on here.
I was beating myself up.
I can't die, right, what thehell am I doing?
And for the first time I feltthis other, softer voice than
the critic saying if you shareyour story, it'll all be worth
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it.
Wow, yeah.
And I was like what?
And until that point I had beenin many, many hospitals, seen
lots of doctors, been on lots ofmeds.
I never shared, I never toldthem how I really felt.
I didn't think I was worthsaving, so I kept everything to
myself.
So that share your story.
To me it meant let's so.
For the first time I went intoa hospital willingly.
I, I opened myself up, I waswilling to, to be helped.
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Uh, and that's what reallystarted my, my healing.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's really so.
Opening up to professionals.
What about, like in yourpersonal life?
I mean, was that, was that apart of it?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Eventually.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Um.
So I was molested as a child.
At the same time, my parentswere getting divorced.
So at you know, age five, I'mdeciding the world's not safe.
I can't trust men.
Um, and I thought I was an onlychild it was me and my mom and
I thought if I tell someonewhat's happening, I'll be in
trouble and I'll be the next mankicked out of the house.
So I shut it all down.
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My dad often talked about thathigh school were the best years
in your life.
So I thought, well, why wouldanyone live beyond that?
You know, things are prettystinky right now.
At age six and seven, I'll tryto get to 18 and then I'm out of
here.
Okay, and I tried far before Iwas 18, but also it wasn't until
I was an adult.
I'm in my thirties.
I finally realized my dadexperienced high school and then
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fatherhood.
He was 21 years old when I wasborn.
Okay so all he had was, yeah,high school was the peak of his
life, Right?
So I'm glad to be wrong aboutthings I thought were right,
Like high school was not thepeak of my life.
I can trust men.
The world is safe.
The universe does support allof us.
Otherwise this would be like acosmic joke.
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The universe isn't throwingbanana peels in front of us to
like oh, I want to do this in mylife.
Whoops, I can't.
It's not like that, but I usedto believe it was.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So how does that mix with, say, psychology?
I'm a psychologist, a lot ofmental health practitioners
listening, and so I see theintegration of it.
So thanks for sharing that.
These really deep traumaticexperiences and you hear that a
lot these deep experiences thattransform people into where
you're at to help others.
So do you see how thisinteracts?
Do you work with thepsychologists or mental health
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folks or it's, it's neat.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
A few times I've had psychologists refer people to me
.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I thought they were going crazy, but we're
having a spiritual awakeningyeah, and I was like a lot of
people like spend a lot of moneyto have the experience you're
having on your own.
Like it's okay, I tell you know, you tell you, you know you're
not crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We walk through, we do some exercises, we learn
about boundaries and how to feeland control your own energy.
Yeah, one of the first thingsaround energy work that was ever
told to me was that someonetold me Andy, all this this
suicidal thoughts, all thisenergy, it's not even yours.
Yes, and what does that mean?
What do I do with that?
Yes, and again I learned, allthis sort of ancestral trauma
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can be passed on.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, so my grandfather and my great
grandmother both died by suicide.
Ok, so it's literally in mygenes.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But science and and and spirituality.
You know there's science.
I always find that science isproving spirituality right more
than the other way around.
Yeah, the life activation youmentioned, the life activation
healing I have.
It brings more light into thephysical body.
It lights up your spiritual DNA.
We have physical DNA andspiritual DNA.
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When science looks at DNA, thestuff they can't explain, they
call it junk DNA.
Yeah, there's no junk in us.
Everything has a point and apurpose.
It can be turned on, can beturned off, can be used to our
benefit, can be used to ourneglect, but nothing is junk.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So when you say, like a lot of people could pay a lot
for that spiritual awakening,that was curious to me because
I'm wondering, uh, are thereadjunct to some of the work that
you'll do Like so right now?
I I'm wondering are thereadjuncts to some of the work
that you'll do Like so right now?
I'm with you know, some of thepsychedelics and the research
there that's now coming back.
Is that part of the journey aswell?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's part of my personal journey.
It's not.
There are no longer things thatI recommend to people, right,
but I've what I've done a lot ofmagic mushrooms just as a
teenager, just for fun, and Iloved it because it just made me
laugh, so I get how that helpsdepression.
Yeah, the world is just funnywhen I'm on mushrooms, but I've
done ayahuasca and I had.
The shaman that led theceremony said in their you know,
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15 years of leading ceremonies,I was the best first time
experience he'd ever seen.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So I was like well, I don't need to do this again.
I went out on top, and sothat's what I mean, but I find
it is I don't want to say better.
To me it's more potent torealize you can have that
experience without a substance.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, totally yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I've done a lot of holotropic breathwork as well,
okay, and I've had trippy, crazy, amazing experiences, just from
oxygen Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, and I like that .
I mean just to say we're notrecommending anything by any
means.
You know, do your research and,just for listeners, like
there's a lot of empiricalresearch you know that has shown
the impact on really rewiringtrauma and so I think it makes
sense to some of your backgroundas to why, why that was there.
So how would you say thatdiffers then?
(10:09):
So so, like the breathing youjust said, like how does that
differ from a traditionalpsychedelic or just the work you
do?
How is it unique or differentto other energy work,
traditional?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
psychedelic or just the work you do?
How is it unique or differentto other energy work?
The work I do today comes fromthe modern mystery school.
It's a lineage that goes backover the 3,500 years to King
Solomon from the Bible, the sonof David.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Slayer of Goliath right.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So it's, yes, the famous King Solomon's temple.
For 40 years he brought peopletogether to teach each other
rituals and shamanism andhealing, and what worked for
everybody, what could be learnedby everybody, became the
foundation of the healings inthe mystery school.
Wow, you can't read a book.
You can't get a video.
Everything is still passed downmouth to ear of a student.
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Yes, the most potent work isonly done in person.
Energy is everywhere.
You can blast it.
But to be meticulous and direct, I need to be in front of a
person doing that activation onthem.
Yeah, so no, no, nothing isneeded.
You know, I've had people I behealing called the spark of life
, which is the one remote thingI offer, and someone wrote to me
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like how many wormholes did yousend me through?
I just brought you energy andyou wrote it where you want to.
But so they seem to have a bitof a psychedelic experience
receiving that.
But yeah, it's different foreveryone.
But it's all about, again,healing yourself.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, letting our, our inner wisdom, our inner
healers, letting our true godself out and be experienced nice
that I mean that's just sobeautiful and I again I hope
listeners kind of really tapinto this and and one of the
things, out and be experiencedNice, that that I mean that's
just so beautiful and I again Ihope listeners kind of really
tap into this.
And and one of the things yousaid at the uh, the beginning of
this is like the openness.
You have to be open for theseexperiences and so you don't
have to go do ayahuasca oranything like that.
(11:48):
It just just like you said thisthing.
I like to also talk about thevirtual cause.
During COVID I was reallythinking a lot about that
because it is really hands-onyour work.
I do think it's hard to do thatvirtually and I don't know.
I do think if there's a way offiguring that out, that's
probably part of the future ofthis.
What?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
do you think?
I don't know, because it's likecan you have virtual wisdom
teeth removal Right, Like somethings just have to be physical,
but you could have a telehealthappointment right Right exactly
.
So there are things I can doremotely anywhere in the world
and they're just the best.
Things are in person and whenpeople reach out to me, this
isn't just something I know Likeit's from the mystery school.
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So when someone reads hey, Iheard you on the show, I want to
know what is this lifeactivation thing?
I'll help them find someonenear them.
Yeah, that's great.
You're welcome to fly to me inMassachusetts and we'll get
together.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But you know there are people all around the world
that that have these, these, uh,these handlings in their pocket
.
I love.
Yeah, you also brought up theinner critic.
That's from behaviorism, and sothat was part of your journey,
was the inner critic, and so, um, I'm thinking about self-doubt
and people struggle with that.
They limit their beliefs.
So what are some practicaltechniques that maybe help
clients through that self-doubtor the inner critic?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
one thing I found that helped me the most the
first time I ever worked with acoach and identified the critic
and I just like described it.
What so?
My inner critic was dannydevito, as the penguin in one of
the older batman movies andjust miserable.
And just talking like that like, oh my god, so yeah, giving
that like made me laugh.
I could laugh.
What a silly looking thing I'mlistening to.
So use all your senses,describe it like, dive into it.
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You know, if we hear it, go ah.
And every time we touchsomething that's so-called
negative and retreat, it givesit more power.
It's going to stay there.
So I would write down what ismy critic telling me and I'd be
able to laugh at it.
Well, this is silly, that'sstupid, this isn't going to help
me, and that took away itspower.
So engage in it, becausenormally we just listen to it,
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which isn't engagement, we justfollow the orders of our critic.
But if we engage, take away thepower, realize it's just this
wounded aspect of somethingtrying to keep us safe really
yeah, yeah, realize, it's justthis wounded aspect of something
trying to keep us safe, really,yeah.
Yeah, I'm glad you gave me thatvisual back of Danny DeVito,
because now I only see him asJersey Mike's person.
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Oh yeah, and that doesn'ttrigger me, so it's good.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Exactly so you talked about, like, say, some of the
virtual healing stuff, and theperson says, like all these
multiple wormholes, Maybe wouldyou be able to share, obviously
without identifying like a reallife example of someone that
experienced profound changethrough this type of energy work
.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Sure.
So a few months ago I'm at ametaphysical event at a booth,
someone I knew from high schoolthat I hadn't seen since high
school walks up like shocked tofind me there, and again because
I made fun of all these things.
This is not what I was knownfor doing.
So I reconnect.
And she had recently not evenrecently like eight months prior
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had injured her back in somesort of a fall and it was bad
enough that people said youwon't walk normally again.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You'll be in pain the rest of your life, unless you
have back surgery.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
She was sure there was some other way, so we made.
I tell her I have this thingcalled spark of life.
It's really meant for physicalissues.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And I said I'd love to give this to you.
Let's, let's see what happens.
Yeah, that night she slept themost deepest sleep she'd had in
the eight months.
The next day she woke uppain-free.
It's been almost three months.
She has been pain-free eversince.
Wow, she is my ravingtestimonial.
She raves about it so muchpeople think she's nuts.
No one believes her.
And again, I don't promisethese things, it's just I'm
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going to, you're going to.
Everyone feels that energy comein.
What it does for you isdifferent.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
She was hurt.
Yeah, she was open.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
She was open.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm going to say right, you don't need to believe
in anything.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You just can be sitting there going this ain't
going to work.
You know you can't resist it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, yeah.
And so what comes to mind to mewhen you say that is like how
do you then take care ofyourself?
You know, I know, as a healer,it could also be draining and
you've got great energy, and sohow do you, what are your daily
practices or what do you know?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, Daily meditation, daily rituals, the
modern mystery school.
Actually, every program I'vegone through is first working on
yourself.
Yes, clearing, healing, and Ifind you know, the more I help
others, the more joy I feel.
So, yes, it's not draininganymore.
Right, right when I'm, when I'mtaking the protocol, when I
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take care of myself, but I haveI probably a half hour worth of
rituals.
I do daily, each morning that Iget up set the tone and the
energy for the day.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's great.
And what about for other people?
Like, so what are other sort ofdaily energy practices that
anyone can incorporate in theirroutine?
Like, where do you start?
Like I.
So I always start with when Ido mindfulness or meditation.
For people I'll say, brushingyour teeth.
You know you do it twice a day.
Just brush your teeth, like youdon't have to think about the
fight you had with your partnerearlier or what you got to do
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tomorrow.
You know it's a way of justbeing mindful in the moment.
So, like, what are some dailythings that people can do to
integrate this in their life?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
simple thing every step you take, put it on the
ground.
Thank you, thank you, thank youwith each step, and like that
way to build gratitude, andbecause you might be.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What am I thankful for right?
What is this?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
about and, ideally, oh yeah, thankful for my legs,
I'm feeling, I'm able to walkthis morning maybe I got out of
bed without you know being inpain, um, all sorts of things.
But uh, for me, what one of theearliest.
And this was recommended to medozens of years by therapists.
But gratitude journaling, yeah,and just start with that, just
say thank you and it just givesyou, once you start focusing on
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things to be grateful for, yourbrain will find more and more
things.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, right?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I don't want to disappoint my journal.
I need to find something to begrateful for.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, it helps to lower the volume of the inner
critic too.
Sure, that inner critic was abig part of your journey up to
18 in high school.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'll even thank that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Oh, thanks for your input Pass.
Yeah, people don't understandthat I don't want to thank my
negative thought, I want to getrid of them.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
No, all my negativity , all my pessimism, all my
suicide attempts brought me totoday, and I love me today.
Yeah, so I can't eliminatesomething from the past right,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We say the thief of the past and the thief of the
future, so just really beingwhere you are.
It's so hard for people.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, and for mindset many people, especially men,
they would rather be right thanbe happy.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Once I was willing to be wrong about my thoughts and
beliefs that that opened thedoor.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's the opening so so yeah, so talk about that.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So so real men feel so talk about that real men feel
and that's by real, you know,it was kind of tongue-in-cheek
and like real men arelumberjacks, real men don't eat
quiche, all this sort of things.
But also real meaning,authentic.
Yes, humans that are themselves, men who realize they're human
beings.
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Yeah, men who realize, you know, emotions aren't for women, and
I'm allowed to be angry, hungryand horny.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Men are capable of more than that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And to live a meaningful and fulfilling life,
men need to feel yes.
So that's what it's all about.
But again, openness.
I've met guys in their 80sstill upset because their dad
had never said I love you tothem.
I mean we are ruininggenerations of men by passing on
this sense of stoic falsenessthat I can do everything myself,
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don't need anybody's help.
Asking for help is weakness,and I say the opposite.
Often, the bravest thing youcan ever do is ask for help.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's way more difficult to be vulnerable than
it is to be stoic.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
In the moment perhaps .
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Long term, it gets harder and harder.
In the moment, perhaps, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Long term, it gets harder and harder because it's
oh, that's what I meant to sayactually like so it's, it's,
it's, it's easier to be stoicthan it is to be vulnerable.
Um, so I just reversed that, uh, but.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
But my point of that was like but people think, as
men, that it's you're strongerby being stoic, yeah I always
ask guys who taught you what itmeans to be a man, right, if
they were a miserable bastard,yeah, why would you want to
continue that?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Right.
Look for happy men openlytalking about how they feel.
Yeah, perhaps model that Causeagain.
It's just perhaps be be open tosomething If you aren't happy
with your daily experience be,open to trying something new.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, but those aren't you know.
Do we have a ton of role modelsof men that are super emotional
and like vulnerable and outthere more and more yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, and.
And so here's the fine line Idon't you don't need to be super
emotional in the sense that, oh, I'm walking down the street
crying every day, or you knoweverything.
Every commercial has me intears Like it's not that.
But being willing to feel whatshows up, yeah, right, I find
that I'm living my best lifewhen I can feel whatever shows
up in the moment.
Yeah, all the guys that arejust angry and and poking and
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blaming and there's always another there are people that have
not allowed themselves to feelfor years and years, and years
yeah right, um yeah they haven'tdone the work.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I I mean you said it before.
You said every training you'vebeen through.
The first thing they do is makeyou reflect on you and do work
on yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, and I've also been one of.
You know one to 10% men and anysort of program I've been
through as well.
So men are out there, they'recatching up, but again to see
see someone that's in thespotlight, I think an ideal
example is Dway.
He's tough, he can fight, hecan do all these manly things,
but he also can feel, can hurt,can miss his dad after his dad
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passed, can love his daughtersif he gets played in makeup and
they mess him up and you knowthose are the things to him that
that dads love to do, but Idon't see dads brag about.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a gift I I'm blessed to be
able to be a part of, because alot of the athletes or
executives I work with you knowto have that space for them just
to open up for the first time.
You know to be like you don'thave to be this.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I liked that.
You said it angry, hungry andhorny.
Yeah, there's a.
And the male competitive.
Like one of the things Irecommend everyone is getting to
get in a men's group, becausewhen the first guy breaks the
ice and is vulnerable, sharesomething, our competitive
nature well, if he's going there, I'm going to go there, like I
could share something evenharder than that guy.
And so again, you know our.
Again, there's no negative orpot like everything's good if we
use it tap, yeah, tap into thatcompetitiveness 100 yeah, make
(22:22):
it more constructive.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So where do you see this work going, like, if you
think about the future of thisin the next five or ten years,
where do you see this energywork and this work going?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
oh, uh.
So chiropractic is really amodel I have to see.
So I I foresee a time whereevery town, every downtown, or
you know, every town, hasmultiple just energy worker.
You know, life activationpractitioner, healing center,
energy work, yeah, commonplaceyeah, like, like, next to the
starbucks you know right, yeah,yeah it's good.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I mean, I, I, what do you?
There's a, there is this pieceof like healers, um, you know,
like in South America, forexample, many healers are just
indigenous and there's no feesor you know anything like that,
cause it's just part of who theyare.
So do you, do you fear thatthat could ever get too
commercialized?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, so I've had shaman train.
I never would call myself ashaman because I'm not an
indigenous person, so that's onelike line I observe and it just
matters to me, right?
But we live.
We don't live in an indigenoustribe, we live in a society with
an economy.
There needs to be, uh, anexchange of something.
Yeah, and here we exchangemoney for service right that
(23:31):
indigenous shaman is receivingfood, water, blessing some
there's.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
There's always an exchange for things yeah, yeah,
yeah, for sure, by no means was.
Yeah, I mean even like altruism.
I always say like one of thethings I'll say is like mother
theresa even had dark days, orshe also needed to get something
back, you know, and sometimesjust the fact that she was able
to, like, hold somebody or whilethey cried, or that was she was
, she was benefiting from that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, one thing that that nobody ever told me growing
up that I found is that beingof service brings great joy.
Yeah, and it, just like youknow, I remember like the
cliches of oh, be a Boy Scout,help the old lady across the
street with groceries.
But there's such a deeper levelof that, and especially for men
, a man going through some roughtimes even if you have a friend
that shares that they're havingsuicidal thoughts just being
(24:18):
there, not running away, notgoing whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You know your willingness to be in front of
another human being while theyshare.
Some pain can be the mostpowerful thing you offer them.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Just hold the space.
That's what you said earlier.
Yeah, I love that.
So, Andy, I mean this is great.
I think I could probably talkto you for a lot longer.
But getting, where can peoplefind you?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Theandigrantcom is the hub of all things me.
You find books, online classes,all the healing work I do.
There's links to my podcastroom and feel from there, so
that's the best place to start.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Great and they could travel to Massachusetts to see
you in person.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Certainly can, but I also yeah, I offer free clarity
calls and 15 minute call Ifsomeone's like overwhelmed by,
like I'm attracted to your stuff, I don't know where to start.
Yeah, starts with a connection.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So theandygrantcom.
That's right, all right.
Well, thanks, andy.
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Hello, welcome back to On Air with Dr Pete.
I'm your host, dr Pete Economo.
I'm thrilled again to be herewith you today with another
amazing guest.
As you know, we would like tobring you some amazing people to
just share their wisdom andexpertise.
I like to say I'm an expert innothing, and so to bring the
experts on is really great, soI'm looking forward to share
another incredible guest withyou.
(00:38):
This is a husband, worldtraveler, actor, speaker,
teacher, lifelong learner,suicide prevention activist.
He really believes in living alife you love, which I really
like that.
So he works with energy as alife activation healer,
certified healer and a ritualmaster.
So he's the creator.
Andy Grant is the creator ofReal Men Feel, and today we're
(01:02):
going to discuss why and how toget men to open up about their
feelings and to communicate.
Andy, thanks for coming on theshow.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
My pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So how would you describe yourself?
What's your elevator pitch forpeople?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, the quickest thing.
I'm an author, coach and healer.
And then you're like what doesthat mean?
Or healing of what so, yeah, Ijust keep it short to encourage
a conversation and a question.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Author coach and healer.
So I think let's talk abouthealer, then let's dive right
into that.
So how do you heal and wheredoes that come from?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Source, god, the universe, whatever it is All.
Healing is self-healing, yes,and healers are just people that
help facilitate that.
Yes, so sometimes I'm trulydirecting energy to a client,
sometimes energy is comingthrough me and I'm like a straw
and giving energy.
Most people, at least by now,are familiar with Reiki.
Yes, and even before that Imean chiropractic was considered
(02:03):
like crazy fringe stuff notlong ago, and now that's just
everywhere and accepted.
But yeah, you know, everythingis energy.
Yeah, we are all doing energywork every day with our eyes,
taking in rays and visiblespectrums and contribute them,
and and we hear things thataren't there.
Oh my God, well, that's hearing,right, uh wifi magic in the air
(02:24):
and it's all connected or notconnected, depending on how you
use it right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, we remember the dial-up too, oh yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm glad that sound's gone of my life.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We've come a long way .
You know I love this stuff,which I said to you before we
started recording.
I know that a lot of people Iwork with are and.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I hate to start with this right away.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
But the skeptics.
I feel like someone's tuning inand being like Reiki oh, tune
off.
Let me just switch and go tothe next podcast episode.
I was the same way yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Everything I do on a daily basis is something I made
fun of for years, but then Itried it.
So my go-to line around energywork is energy work is much
better experienced thanexplained.
Oh, I like that and I are you.
Are you willing to have anexperience?
yeah and then we put somethingto schedule.
Um, I do akashic recordreadings.
I can read people's energiesand then I also have the healing
(03:16):
.
So usually a 10-minuteexperience makes people go like,
whoa, that's all I'm after,like something else is here.
You know, I used to think I wasjust this meat suit.
I was a random collection ofchemicals.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I was wrong and I'm glad to be wrong about that.
Yeah, but you know we areimmortal spirits.
Yes, right, we're here, havingan experience, good, bad and
different, but we will continue.
We existed before here, we'llexist.
We existed before, here willexist after it as well.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah.
And again, I think even thatlike immortal spirits, I get
that and I can totally mess withit, like I love this stuff, and
so I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople that are like what is
that?
You know what's an immortalspirit and how do we know?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, I've had an.
I don't recommend my path.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, let's hear your path.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
My path involved being a very depressed and
suicidal young person.
Okay, multiple attempts on mylife, my teens and twenties.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And it took me all that to realize maybe I'm
supposed to be here, like, maybethere is a point, maybe I'm
more than this.
And yeah, you know, the firsttime I had sort of an an out of
body experience or hearinganother voice or presence.
You know, I was used to thecritic you suck another voice, a
presence.
I was used to the critic yousuck, everything sucks, you
don't do anything right, youshould kill yourself.
I knew that voice.
At one point, at 19 years old, Ihad made another attempt on my
(04:31):
life using a means that hadalready not worked.
I'm now repeating things thatdon't work.
It finally dawns on me I don'tthink you really want to die.
Something else is going on here.
I was beating myself up.
I can't die, right, what thehell am I doing?
And for the first time I feltthis other, softer voice than
the critic saying if you shareyour story, it'll all be worth
(04:56):
it.
Wow, yeah.
And I was like what?
And until that point I had beenin many, many hospitals, seen
lots of doctors, been on lots ofmeds.
I never shared, I never toldthem how I really felt.
I didn't think I was worthsaving, so I kept everything to
myself.
So that share your story.
To me it meant let's so.
For the first time I went intoa hospital willingly.
I, I opened myself up, I waswilling to, to be helped.
(05:17):
Uh, and that's what reallystarted my, my healing.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's really so.
Opening up to professionals.
What about, like in yourpersonal life?
I mean, was that, was that apart of it?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Eventually.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Um.
So I was molested as a child.
At the same time, my parentswere getting divorced.
So at you know, age five, I'mdeciding the world's not safe.
I can't trust men.
Um, and I thought I was an onlychild it was me and my mom and
I thought if I tell someonewhat's happening, I'll be in
trouble and I'll be the next mankicked out of the house.
So I shut it all down.
(05:50):
My dad often talked about thathigh school were the best years
in your life.
So I thought, well, why wouldanyone live beyond that?
You know, things are prettystinky right now.
At age six and seven, I'll tryto get to 18 and then I'm out of
here.
Okay, and I tried far before Iwas 18, but also it wasn't until
I was an adult.
I'm in my thirties.
I finally realized my dadexperienced high school and then
(06:11):
fatherhood.
He was 21 years old when I wasborn.
Okay so all he had was, yeah,high school was the peak of his
life, Right?
So I'm glad to be wrong aboutthings I thought were right,
Like high school was not thepeak of my life.
I can trust men.
The world is safe.
The universe does support allof us.
Otherwise this would be like acosmic joke.
(06:34):
The universe isn't throwingbanana peels in front of us to
like oh, I want to do this in mylife.
Whoops, I can't.
It's not like that, but I usedto believe it was.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So how does that mix with, say, psychology?
I'm a psychologist, a lot ofmental health practitioners
listening, and so I see theintegration of it.
So thanks for sharing that.
These really deep traumaticexperiences and you hear that a
lot these deep experiences thattransform people into where
you're at to help others.
So do you see how thisinteracts?
Do you work with thepsychologists or mental health
(07:07):
folks or it's, it's neat.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
A few times I've had psychologists refer people to me
.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I thought they were going crazy, but we're
having a spiritual awakeningyeah, and I was like a lot of
people like spend a lot of moneyto have the experience you're
having on your own.
Like it's okay, I tell you know, you tell you, you know you're
not crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We walk through, we do some exercises, we learn
about boundaries and how to feeland control your own energy.
Yeah, one of the first thingsaround energy work that was ever
told to me was that someonetold me Andy, all this this
suicidal thoughts, all thisenergy, it's not even yours.
Yes, and what does that mean?
What do I do with that?
Yes, and again I learned, allthis sort of ancestral trauma
(07:45):
can be passed on.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, so my grandfather and my great
grandmother both died by suicide.
Ok, so it's literally in mygenes.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But science and and and spirituality.
You know there's science.
I always find that science isproving spirituality right more
than the other way around.
Yeah, the life activation youmentioned, the life activation
healing I have.
It brings more light into thephysical body.
It lights up your spiritual DNA.
We have physical DNA andspiritual DNA.
(08:19):
When science looks at DNA, thestuff they can't explain, they
call it junk DNA.
Yeah, there's no junk in us.
Everything has a point and apurpose.
It can be turned on, can beturned off, can be used to our
benefit, can be used to ourneglect, but nothing is junk.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So when you say, like a lot of people could pay a lot
for that spiritual awakening,that was curious to me because
I'm wondering, uh, are thereadjunct to some of the work that
you'll do Like so right now?
I I'm wondering are thereadjuncts to some of the work
that you'll do Like so right now?
I'm with you know, some of thepsychedelics and the research
there that's now coming back.
Is that part of the journey aswell?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's part of my personal journey.
It's not.
There are no longer things thatI recommend to people, right,
but I've what I've done a lot ofmagic mushrooms just as a
teenager, just for fun, and Iloved it because it just made me
laugh, so I get how that helpsdepression.
Yeah, the world is just funnywhen I'm on mushrooms, but I've
done ayahuasca and I had.
The shaman that led theceremony said in their you know,
(09:16):
15 years of leading ceremonies,I was the best first time
experience he'd ever seen.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So I was like well, I don't need to do this again.
I went out on top, and sothat's what I mean, but I find
it is I don't want to say better.
To me it's more potent torealize you can have that
experience without a substance.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, totally yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So I've done a lot of holotropic breathwork as well,
okay, and I've had trippy, crazy, amazing experiences, just from
oxygen Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, and I like that .
I mean just to say we're notrecommending anything by any
means.
You know, do your research and,just for listeners, like
there's a lot of empiricalresearch you know that has shown
the impact on really rewiringtrauma and so I think it makes
sense to some of your backgroundas to why, why that was there.
So how would you say thatdiffers then?
(10:09):
So so, like the breathing youjust said, like how does that
differ from a traditionalpsychedelic or just the work you
do?
How is it unique or differentto other energy work,
traditional?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
psychedelic or just the work you do?
How is it unique or differentto other energy work?
The work I do today comes fromthe modern mystery school.
It's a lineage that goes backover the 3,500 years to King
Solomon from the Bible, the sonof David.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Slayer of Goliath right.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So it's, yes, the famous King Solomon's temple.
For 40 years he brought peopletogether to teach each other
rituals and shamanism andhealing, and what worked for
everybody, what could be learnedby everybody, became the
foundation of the healings inthe mystery school.
Wow, you can't read a book.
You can't get a video.
Everything is still passed downmouth to ear of a student.
(10:49):
Yes, the most potent work isonly done in person.
Energy is everywhere.
You can blast it.
But to be meticulous and direct, I need to be in front of a
person doing that activation onthem.
Yeah, so no, no, nothing isneeded.
You know, I've had people I behealing called the spark of life
, which is the one remote thingI offer, and someone wrote to me
(11:11):
like how many wormholes did yousend me through?
I just brought you energy andyou wrote it where you want to.
But so they seem to have a bitof a psychedelic experience
receiving that.
But yeah, it's different foreveryone.
But it's all about, again,healing yourself.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, letting our, our inner wisdom, our inner
healers, letting our true godself out and be experienced nice
that I mean that's just sobeautiful and I again I hope
listeners kind of really tapinto this and and one of the
things, out and be experiencedNice, that that I mean that's
just so beautiful and I again Ihope listeners kind of really
tap into this.
And and one of the things yousaid at the uh, the beginning of
this is like the openness.
You have to be open for theseexperiences and so you don't
have to go do ayahuasca oranything like that.
(11:48):
It just just like you said thisthing.
I like to also talk about thevirtual cause.
During COVID I was reallythinking a lot about that
because it is really hands-onyour work.
I do think it's hard to do thatvirtually and I don't know.
I do think if there's a way offiguring that out, that's
probably part of the future ofthis.
What?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
do you think?
I don't know, because it's likecan you have virtual wisdom
teeth removal Right, Like somethings just have to be physical,
but you could have a telehealthappointment right Right exactly
.
So there are things I can doremotely anywhere in the world
and they're just the best.
Things are in person and whenpeople reach out to me, this
isn't just something I know Likeit's from the mystery school.
(12:29):
So when someone reads hey, Iheard you on the show, I want to
know what is this lifeactivation thing?
I'll help them find someonenear them.
Yeah, that's great.
You're welcome to fly to me inMassachusetts and we'll get
together.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But you know there are people all around the world
that that have these, these, uh,these handlings in their pocket
.
I love.
Yeah, you also brought up theinner critic.
That's from behaviorism, and sothat was part of your journey,
was the inner critic, and so, um, I'm thinking about self-doubt
and people struggle with that.
They limit their beliefs.
So what are some practicaltechniques that maybe help
clients through that self-doubtor the inner critic?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
one thing I found that helped me the most the
first time I ever worked with acoach and identified the critic
and I just like described it.
What so?
My inner critic was dannydevito, as the penguin in one of
the older batman movies andjust miserable.
And just talking like that like, oh my god, so yeah, giving
that like made me laugh.
I could laugh.
What a silly looking thing I'mlistening to.
So use all your senses,describe it like, dive into it.
(13:23):
You know, if we hear it, go ah.
And every time we touchsomething that's so-called
negative and retreat, it givesit more power.
It's going to stay there.
So I would write down what ismy critic telling me and I'd be
able to laugh at it.
Well, this is silly, that'sstupid, this isn't going to help
me, and that took away itspower.
So engage in it, becausenormally we just listen to it,
(13:47):
which isn't engagement, we justfollow the orders of our critic.
But if we engage, take away thepower, realize it's just this
wounded aspect of somethingtrying to keep us safe really
yeah, yeah, realize, it's justthis wounded aspect of something
trying to keep us safe, really,yeah.
Yeah, I'm glad you gave me thatvisual back of Danny DeVito,
because now I only see him asJersey Mike's person.
(14:07):
Oh yeah, and that doesn'ttrigger me, so it's good.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Exactly so you talked about, like, say, some of the
virtual healing stuff, and theperson says, like all these
multiple wormholes, Maybe wouldyou be able to share, obviously
without identifying like a reallife example of someone that
experienced profound changethrough this type of energy work
.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Sure.
So a few months ago I'm at ametaphysical event at a booth,
someone I knew from high schoolthat I hadn't seen since high
school walks up like shocked tofind me there, and again because
I made fun of all these things.
This is not what I was knownfor doing.
So I reconnect.
And she had recently not evenrecently like eight months prior
(14:46):
had injured her back in somesort of a fall and it was bad
enough that people said youwon't walk normally again.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You'll be in pain the rest of your life, unless you
have back surgery.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
She was sure there was some other way, so we made.
I tell her I have this thingcalled spark of life.
It's really meant for physicalissues.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And I said I'd love to give this to you.
Let's, let's see what happens.
Yeah, that night she slept themost deepest sleep she'd had in
the eight months.
The next day she woke uppain-free.
It's been almost three months.
She has been pain-free eversince.
Wow, she is my ravingtestimonial.
She raves about it so muchpeople think she's nuts.
No one believes her.
And again, I don't promisethese things, it's just I'm
(15:30):
going to, you're going to.
Everyone feels that energy comein.
What it does for you isdifferent.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
She was hurt.
Yeah, she was open.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
She was open.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm going to say right, you don't need to believe
in anything.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You just can be sitting there going this ain't
going to work.
You know you can't resist it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, yeah.
And so what comes to mind to mewhen you say that is like how
do you then take care ofyourself?
You know, I know, as a healer,it could also be draining and
you've got great energy, and sohow do you, what are your daily
practices or what do you know?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, Daily meditation, daily rituals, the
modern mystery school.
Actually, every program I'vegone through is first working on
yourself.
Yes, clearing, healing, and Ifind you know, the more I help
others, the more joy I feel.
So, yes, it's not draininganymore.
Right, right when I'm, when I'mtaking the protocol, when I
(16:18):
take care of myself, but I haveI probably a half hour worth of
rituals.
I do daily, each morning that Iget up set the tone and the
energy for the day.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's great.
And what about for other people?
Like, so what are other sort ofdaily energy practices that
anyone can incorporate in theirroutine?
Like, where do you start?
Like I.
So I always start with when Ido mindfulness or meditation.
For people I'll say, brushingyour teeth.
You know you do it twice a day.
Just brush your teeth, like youdon't have to think about the
fight you had with your partnerearlier or what you got to do
(16:46):
tomorrow.
You know it's a way of justbeing mindful in the moment.
So, like, what are some dailythings that people can do to
integrate this in their life?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
simple thing every step you take, put it on the
ground.
Thank you, thank you, thank youwith each step, and like that
way to build gratitude, andbecause you might be.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What am I thankful for right?
What is this?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
about and, ideally, oh yeah, thankful for my legs,
I'm feeling, I'm able to walkthis morning maybe I got out of
bed without you know being inpain, um, all sorts of things.
But uh, for me, what one of theearliest.
And this was recommended to medozens of years by therapists.
But gratitude journaling, yeah,and just start with that, just
say thank you and it just givesyou, once you start focusing on
(17:25):
things to be grateful for, yourbrain will find more and more
things.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, right?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I don't want to disappoint my journal.
I need to find something to begrateful for.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, it helps to lower the volume of the inner
critic too.
Sure, that inner critic was abig part of your journey up to
18 in high school.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'll even thank that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Oh, thanks for your input Pass.
Yeah, people don't understandthat I don't want to thank my
negative thought, I want to getrid of them.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
No, all my negativity , all my pessimism, all my
suicide attempts brought me totoday, and I love me today.
Yeah, so I can't eliminatesomething from the past right,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We say the thief of the past and the thief of the
future, so just really beingwhere you are.
It's so hard for people.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, and for mindset many people, especially men,
they would rather be right thanbe happy.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Once I was willing to be wrong about my thoughts and
beliefs that that opened thedoor.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's the opening so so yeah, so talk about that.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So so real men feel so talk about that real men feel
and that's by real, you know,it was kind of tongue-in-cheek
and like real men arelumberjacks, real men don't eat
quiche, all this sort of things.
But also real meaning,authentic.
Yes, humans that are themselves, men who realize they're human
beings.
(18:50):
Yeah, men who realize, you know, emotions aren't for women, and
I'm allowed to be angry, hungryand horny.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Men are capable of more than that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And to live a meaningful and fulfilling life,
men need to feel yes.
So that's what it's all about.
But again, openness.
I've met guys in their 80sstill upset because their dad
had never said I love you tothem.
I mean we are ruininggenerations of men by passing on
this sense of stoic falsenessthat I can do everything myself,
(19:23):
don't need anybody's help.
Asking for help is weakness,and I say the opposite.
Often, the bravest thing youcan ever do is ask for help.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's way more difficult to be vulnerable than
it is to be stoic.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
In the moment perhaps .
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Long term, it gets harder and harder.
In the moment, perhaps, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Long term, it gets harder and harder because it's
oh, that's what I meant to sayactually like so it's, it's,
it's, it's easier to be stoicthan it is to be vulnerable.
Um, so I just reversed that, uh, but.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
But my point of that was like but people think, as
men, that it's you're strongerby being stoic, yeah I always
ask guys who taught you what itmeans to be a man, right, if
they were a miserable bastard,yeah, why would you want to
continue that?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Right.
Look for happy men openlytalking about how they feel.
Yeah, perhaps model that Causeagain.
It's just perhaps be be open tosomething If you aren't happy
with your daily experience be,open to trying something new.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, but those aren't you know.
Do we have a ton of role modelsof men that are super emotional
and like vulnerable and outthere more and more yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, and.
And so here's the fine line Idon't you don't need to be super
emotional in the sense that, oh, I'm walking down the street
crying every day, or you knoweverything.
Every commercial has me intears Like it's not that.
But being willing to feel whatshows up, yeah, right, I find
that I'm living my best lifewhen I can feel whatever shows
up in the moment.
Yeah, all the guys that arejust angry and and poking and
(20:52):
blaming and there's always another there are people that have
not allowed themselves to feelfor years and years, and years
yeah right, um yeah they haven'tdone the work.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I I mean you said it before.
You said every training you'vebeen through.
The first thing they do is makeyou reflect on you and do work
on yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, and I've also been one of.
You know one to 10% men and anysort of program I've been
through as well.
So men are out there, they'recatching up, but again to see
see someone that's in thespotlight, I think an ideal
example is Dway.
He's tough, he can fight, hecan do all these manly things,
but he also can feel, can hurt,can miss his dad after his dad
(21:34):
passed, can love his daughtersif he gets played in makeup and
they mess him up and you knowthose are the things to him that
that dads love to do, but Idon't see dads brag about.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a gift I I'm blessed to be
able to be a part of, because alot of the athletes or
executives I work with you knowto have that space for them just
to open up for the first time.
You know to be like you don'thave to be this.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I liked that.
You said it angry, hungry andhorny.
Yeah, there's a.
And the male competitive.
Like one of the things Irecommend everyone is getting to
get in a men's group, becausewhen the first guy breaks the
ice and is vulnerable, sharesomething, our competitive
nature well, if he's going there, I'm going to go there, like I
could share something evenharder than that guy.
And so again, you know our.
Again, there's no negative orpot like everything's good if we
use it tap, yeah, tap into thatcompetitiveness 100 yeah, make
(22:22):
it more constructive.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So where do you see this work going, like, if you
think about the future of thisin the next five or ten years,
where do you see this energywork and this work going?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
oh, uh.
So chiropractic is really amodel I have to see.
So I I foresee a time whereevery town, every downtown, or
you know, every town, hasmultiple just energy worker.
You know, life activationpractitioner, healing center,
energy work, yeah, commonplaceyeah, like, like, next to the
starbucks you know right, yeah,yeah it's good.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I mean, I, I, what do you?
There's a, there is this pieceof like healers, um, you know,
like in South America, forexample, many healers are just
indigenous and there's no feesor you know anything like that,
cause it's just part of who theyare.
So do you, do you fear thatthat could ever get too
commercialized?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, so I've had shaman train.
I never would call myself ashaman because I'm not an
indigenous person, so that's onelike line I observe and it just
matters to me, right?
But we live.
We don't live in an indigenoustribe, we live in a society with
an economy.
There needs to be, uh, anexchange of something.
Yeah, and here we exchangemoney for service right that
(23:31):
indigenous shaman is receivingfood, water, blessing some
there's.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
There's always an exchange for things yeah, yeah,
yeah, for sure, by no means was.
Yeah, I mean even like altruism.
I always say like one of thethings I'll say is like mother
theresa even had dark days, orshe also needed to get something
back, you know, and sometimesjust the fact that she was able
to, like, hold somebody or whilethey cried, or that was she was
, she was benefiting from that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, one thing that that nobody ever told me growing
up that I found is that beingof service brings great joy.
Yeah, and it, just like youknow, I remember like the
cliches of oh, be a Boy Scout,help the old lady across the
street with groceries.
But there's such a deeper levelof that, and especially for men
, a man going through some roughtimes even if you have a friend
that shares that they're havingsuicidal thoughts just being
(24:18):
there, not running away, notgoing whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I don't want to hear this.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You know your willingness to be in front of
another human being while theyshare.
Some pain can be the mostpowerful thing you offer them.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Just hold the space.
That's what you said earlier.
Yeah, I love that.
So, Andy, I mean this is great.
I think I could probably talkto you for a lot longer.
But getting, where can peoplefind you?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Theandigrantcom is the hub of all things me.
You find books, online classes,all the healing work I do.
There's links to my podcastroom and feel from there, so
that's the best place to start.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Great and they could travel to Massachusetts to see
you in person.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Certainly can, but I also yeah, I offer free clarity
calls and 15 minute call Ifsomeone's like overwhelmed by,
like I'm attracted to your stuff, I don't know where to start.
Yeah, starts with a connection.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So theandygrantcom.
That's right, all right.
Well, thanks, andy.
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