June 14, 2025 • 35 mins
On and on we go! So many thoughts running through our minds! In this new episode, we chat about dedication to new endeavors and how difficult group dynamics can sometimes be, especially when it comes to artistic projects. We reminisce on our youth, when we were forced to work in teams and how these experiences shaped the way we now interact with others in our lives. Also, we look at how new technology threw a wrench in the mix; slackers in groups can now slack even more efficiently! lol.. Of course technology is great, but it doesn't come without its growing pains. But one thing is for sure, when it comes to being able to achieve any goal in a group, all the members of the group need to find their own personal connection to the project (like a passion maybe..?). Without it, without that connection, it takes more effort to complete the work! Just a thought...
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I love that you're breaking out 33.
There's something about that number.
I love it. Cool, cool.
Alright, you ready? Yeah, 321.
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Yeah, so it's a podcast 7. Is this 7?
I think so. Yeah, OK.
We're trucking along. Like I've never been so
consistently committed to an extracurricular activity since
my teens, maybe when I was participating in like sports and
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stuff like that. Yeah.
Yeah, wow. Like too, well, other than work,
like I didn't have a ton of hobbies where I was like part of
a club or something like that. Yeah, you know what I mean?
Why were you always part of a club on some sports team or
something like. That I have had.
I know I've done a lot of outside of work hobbies because
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I've moved. I've moved in different places
many times and I feel like it's there.
It's a good way to meet people to do activities.
Right. OK, so like, but one of them
that I locked on very early was the salsa thing.
So I was doing it like four or five times a week.
Um, yeah. Lot of sport.
No, it no it isn't. Aggressive dancing.
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It is a sport, aggressive dancing.
Yeah. I was in shape, isn't that was
doing that. And then I ended up being in a
performance group for a little while, but then the performance
group was too intense, like the amount of the amount of hours
that they wanted to work. And I don't like structure like
that. What do you mean like an improv
troop or like an acting squad? Like an acting squad,
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performance group for salsa, meaning like, yeah, the
choreography, yeah, and you haveto learn the choreography and
then you have to call performance.
So are you aggressively acting at people or are you making like
plan this is a planned performance, everybody show up.
OK. So I thought it was like one of
those things that they. Call when you're in the
performance group, there's a leader.
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There's a leader leader who has the whole choreography that he
teaches the OR he or she teachesor they teaches A choreography
and they are usually part of thegroup of troops.
So they're also dancing with us.And then we go to different
showcase and we just present this thing.
And I just, well, first of all, it wasn't really the way I liked
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it. Then it's like when I go out and
dance by myself. It's my personal style when
you're when you're in a troop ofpeople and we all have to do the
same move at the same time. Sounds competitive.
Then you have to be In Sync. Only competitive.
No, that is just the idea that you have to look at everyone in
and try to make sure that it looks good with you personally,
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but it also looks good with the whole group, right?
So sometimes you have to slow down your move to to make sure
that it fits what everybody else.
Group dynamic. Like that?
No, I don't like relying on other people either.
I don't really delegate a whole lot in my professional life.
I'd rather kind of just do a little bit more work myself.
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I'm not a martyr, but I'd ratherjust do a little bit more work
myself, make sure it's done to my satisfaction and then I don't
even have to worry about somebody else doing it half
assed or something like. That so in school you didn't
like team projects? No, I didn't.
Well, I mean. You were No, it's your fault.
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You're making me try to think through my teenage brain.
Like at the time, I think maybe I like group projects because it
gave me an opportunity to kind of like Dick around.
Like you got into a tiny group and then all of a sudden the
teacher was like hovering aroundto these subgroups.
So he's all the way over there on that far subgroup.
And if you get grouped up with awith a cool group of people,
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then you can just kind of bullshit.
Yeah. But then, yeah, I know.
I I did a lot of that, you know,at.
School. Yeah.
It reminds me of what you were saying in one of our previous
sessions about, you know, children that experiment with
marshmallows. Oh yeah, the delayed
gratification. Test somehow, because I know I
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was a rule follower and if people told me, OK, this is it,
that's the exercise, You're doing a group activity, and I
did all my effort to make sure that the group is working.
Everybody knew their part or whatnot, right?
And as a child I did that and I as an adult, young adult, I did
that. And then now I'm more like, OK,
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so if you don't wanna part, be part of this group, you don't
have to, right? I'm gonna do this by myself,
right? And I don't need anybody else.
I don't have time for that. I'm very comfortable now just
doing things by myself and I think that that for me
personally, it's actually how I even live relationships, right?
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Like I I've never been married myself.
I've never been in like super long term relationships and I
feel like the same way where I Idon't mind making the effort if
somebody else is making the effort, but if they're not, then
I'm out. Like there's no problem with me
just doing this alone, right? So it's just interesting that my
personality type kind of is consistent there.
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And it also realizing that groupsynergy is difficult.
It's very difficult. You're making me think more
acutely about my group experience in school and and
even after the fact and like work environments and various
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different situations where you found yourself having to
interact with other people and like you have a common goal.
This is meant to be a cooperative team thing.
And I can remember now it being sort of common, me sort of
assessing one or two of a group of four that are basically
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worthless as far as like contributing to the ultimate
goal. And then me and another person
that could at least work or at least were like, we need to get
this over with or something likethat.
But I know I was talking before about that immediate memory that
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I had of like using it as an opportunity to goof off because
now the teachers attention is divided and we're in subgroups
and he's basically got his attention elsewhere.
You'd have his back to you at certain point.
So you can just basically bullshit with the group.
But now I'm remembering this dynamic where it was immediately
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assessed within the group who was essential and who was
basically dead weight. Yeah, no, it and it and it's
like about it. And I I actually remember
clearly when the groups are selected by the teacher and if
he's such a nerd, when people found out that they were great
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with me. Die.
Are you OK? Yeah, you can have it.
It's just I. Head Scotch.
No, it's good. OK, now so.
That's. Good.
Keep that actually and I think it's you should promote that,
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you know it's like no slide. 14.I I remember when the teacher
had to select groups, but groupstogether.
And because I'm such a nerd, when people knew they were put
in a group with me, they were like, thank God.
I could tell the ones that were like, thank God I don't have to
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do anything because I knew like I don't care who's in this team
this right and now and now I'm sort of adult.
I'm like, wait, what a waste of time and do I have to do this?
I. Don't.
Yeah. But there was still there was a
singular benefit to you doing that because you as well you as
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a group, well your group would get a good mark and whatever
mark that group project contributed to your ultimate
mark would be a positive on your.
Ledger for me, yes. But I realize you're, you're
polling like they're hanging on to your threads as you climb the
mountain, but like still you still get a positive outcome
(09:09):
from it. It's just kind of bold because
oftentimes these group projects or group dynamics are meant to
be 4 person jobs. So if you find yourself doing
the job of. Like I, I also feel like perhaps
part of the thing that they wereteaching us in school is how do
you get along or get, how do youwork with people to get them to
do the part that they have to doright?
(09:29):
Like some type of leadership hasto, has to be born out of these
situations. Somebody has to say, hey, you,
I'm going to, I'm going to hunt,I'm going to find you every
night. I'm going to think about you.
I'm going to call you. I'm gonna ask you for.
This engineer. No, but like I'm sure there's a
little thing about it. Like where it's always that it's
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like, if it's a big project, there's like two or three
people, two people that really care about having that good
grade, and then they're worried about everybody else not
delivering, right? And these people, like, we could
get mad, but could get really mad during that presentation.
We're smiling, but in our heads,we're thinking, no, you don't
know what I have to go through. You have no idea.
(10:12):
This smile does not tell you anything about my experience.
We're sort of talking about slightly different subject as
I'm talking about like grade school then high school.
You're talking about now the work dynamic.
But even some of the stuff, yeah, even some of the stuff
that I was talking about in the high school level where it's
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like you do kind of understand the ramifications of your
fucking off and not taking advantage of like a grade, you
know what I mean, to actually bolster your final grade.
So yeah, it all applies it. Applies to get every level.
I think like if you learn this very early that you could take,
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you don't have to work that hard.
If you're in a team and other people could do the work for
you, you learn that. And in elementary school, right?
Perhaps perhaps not all the time, but I'm saying that then
you've learned that in in schooland work in your adult years.
Because I don't see people in teams as adults that didn't seem
to be putting that much energy into the work.
(11:13):
Like I would see people that arelike working late logging on at
10:00 PM like what is happening.Driving what I'm seeing
everywhere at society at. This point, that's my point like
that. But they, they, they learned
this in elementary school. They were allowed and there's
always somebody in the team thatwants to make this work.
Do you remember when people would return calls like like?
(11:35):
No, that was my parents age and I'm sure.
Yeah, I know. I'd seriously, it was, I think
it there was a time where peopleconsidered a little bit more how
it made them look like their appearance or how much they
cared about a task or something that they had to do that would
affect another person's momentumgoing forward.
You know what I mean? They'd feel a little bit more
shame about derailing somebody else's day, but like now there's
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a whole lot more mutual distraction going on.
So it just creates in society, Ifeel a little bit more about
relaxed approach towards work. Yeah, I mean, OK, so on that,
let me give you an example. Everybody slightly distracted.
When everybody knows you an. Example.
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Yeah. So when I was younger, OK, so
before, before the cell phones, if you were hanging out with a
friend and you say, hey, let me,let's meet on Saturday at 1:00
PM at this coffee shop, you know, the cell phone taking a
bus to get there. And the bus is like 30 minutes.
So I, I, I would get there. I would like do like organize my
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day if people, if anybody got inmy way on my prep time to get
there, I would have to tell them, I'm sorry, I gotta go.
I'm, I'm busy cause I, I gotta go cause I've already calculated
how much time is gonna take me to get there and at what time
the bus is like, right know these things.
I don't want to be, I don't wantto be late because my friend, I
don't have a way to connect withmy friend.
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So I cared more about them when I didn't have a cell phone, But
now when a cell phone, dude, somebody takes you 5 minutes
prior to the, the, the start time.
What the me time, right? And it's like, oh, wait, that
means I'm already in my car. I'm parking right now.
I'm right in front of the thing.Cause I'm already, I'm usually a
little early. So I'm just like, how are you
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telling me 5 minutes before you were supposed to be here?
Like to me, you don't really care about my time.
So that's the thing. The fact that communication
became so mobile meant that people could be a lot more
flippant about showing up. They could cancel at the last
minute. Lot.
More because it affects came up the social fabric a lot more
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than you initially anticipated. And Can you imagine being in a
situation where all you got are landlines and you plan on
meeting somebody somewhere and then they don't show up or like,
what are you supposed to do? I guess there were a lot more
pay phones around at that particular point in time, but it
was a major nuisance. Like you had to be a lot more on
point with punctuality and time because if you miss somebody by
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15 minutes, what are you gonna do?
When you started talking about this, I started thinking about
ohhh. I've been watching a lot of back
episodes of Seinfeld lately and they've got a bunch of dynamics
within this series where the phone comes into play or
somebody not being able to be getting ahold of or voicemail.
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I mean, not voicemail, but answering machines and like the
preamble and people's pre recordings and stuff like that.
There's just a bunch of different stuff where people
don't show up or somebody doesn't get gotten ahold of
because of landlines. And yeah, it's just super
interesting that that was something that we lived through
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in our age demo and that we kindof straddled the analog and the
digital that we have an interesting perspective as a
generation, You know what I mean?
Well, it helps us see the difference between the two, if I
can remember it correctly, even because like, I've got to watch
episodes of Seinfeld disorder jog my memory as to like what we
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used to deal with. Or you need to tell me an
anecdote. I was a very strict because I'm
my father. My father was the same way as
you were very strict, punctual child did my assignments on time
the day before like I I did all I mean, I studied the day before
as well, but but I did everything as I was supposed to.
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And so when technology came, it made people that were already
loose looser. And it's just like, oh, I hated
that. I hated being around people that
didn't take care of the details anymore because some app or some
system was gonna take care of itfor them, right?
(16:03):
It's, and it's like those other examples would be, um, OK, so
in, in the, I worked in softwaremost of my career and at some
part of my career, I was in software development and I
wasn't the best developer, but Irealized that when people go to,
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they do like a boot camp for software development, like
something really quick to learn,something like the fast-paced,
right, the crash course. They don't really understand
what they're doing right, but they could do enough to be
dangerous. And it's like maybe hire people
because they know the right words, but they really don't
understand the impact of their actions.
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And so to me, it's like, it's like an insult.
But first of all, because I did 4 years of this stuff, but it
and you're gonna do like 2 weeksof a crash course and he's still
going to be hired, but then I have to stay here later because
your code doesn't work. OHT Yeah.
Like how is this happening? I'm saying university and
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college as like a process is basically a crash course.
Yeah, because like you can learntechnical jargon and I don't
mean to be minimalist about it. Like it's a, it's a major
achievement to achieve. Anything.
Yeah, exactly. To apply yourself to a specific
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and ever. Thank you.
Yeah, totally. This is an excellent example.
But um, yeah, like it's you don't actually know what you're
doing within the field until youstart applying it in a
professional manner and an actual rubber hitting the road.
Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah.
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And then, and then you have to have good management that's
that's comfortable with criticism, constructive
criticism. You understand the problem and
understand how to communicate that to you.
That becomes another challenge where if you're not going to
tell these people that they theydon't know what they're doing,
well, we're just going to continue to live the same bad,
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uncomfortable situation for a very long time.
Vicious cycle. Yes.
And I think that that's, again, that's another pattern that we
see in life a lot where I don't really wanna tell you.
I don't like this because I don't know how to tell you this,
so I'm not going to tell you andand everybody else is going to
be penalized for my lack of ability to manage this team or
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my lack of being able to communicate effectively.
What is that? Or what is the word for?
That station. Like lack of execution?
No, it's like a lack of assertiveness.
Assertiveness, yes. Like you're not assertive enough
to like get your point across. Like you, you're kind of passive
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with it. You're kind of like OHS, there's
a, there's a high threshold or ahigh bar for entry for you to
resist. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, sorry, so. People who are more vocal, who
are more aggressive, more assertive, they will, hey, I'm
thinking this right now and they're less of a pushover.
People with more experience in the workplace, right?
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That's sort of what you're getting at, right?
But I'm saying that in a group dynamic, there's always like you
will find some weak links that especially weak links exist for
a reason. It's always interesting that
you'll have teams that will keepthe weak link for a very long
time, right? Because there is nobody in that
group that's able to either reform that person or help them
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get reform, or nobody has enoughauthority or or management skill
to actually let them go. Because when you let them go,
you also have to hire someone else.
So if you couldn't detect that they were.
Like their skill set at the beginning, you might not be able
to detect a fine and another person that's better than them,
right? So I mean, all the these things
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that these are things that I think about a lot in society and
group dynamics. And I guess I was bringing this
up because, you know, we might have the same goals, but the way
we go about things could be different.
And I just don't know how the people that are slightly more
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lazy or more or less effect. How, how does that work?
Like if you did not, if you weren't in a team, how would
that actually work? Like, how would you get started?
How would you complete this, this stuff?
Like I would have that question like, so you need me to be here.
So can I, can I not also rely onyou to finish some things
because I was here to get it started and and managed like the
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thing. So like what about you doing
your part so that we kind of work together or else why are
you here? Yeah.
But some people operate on the like, like really what it boils
down to, like the Organism level.
Like you do the bare minimum to get by, like you assess in every
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field that you enter, What is the bare minimum I have to do
that I don't like a choir so much static going through this
environment that I can't cope. So what's the bare minimum I
have to do in that often falls well below people's
expectations. You know what?
I. Mean, so funny if I should be
talking about this right now because I am actually writing A
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blog about this trip now. Well, not specifically that, but
yeah, you're touching on an elements that I was working on.
So I'm writing A blog on a blog on goal setting.
So again, I work in project management, management and all
that stuff and I. Have goals accomplishing.
Goals and, and when you're program manager, you set it up,
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you set goals that are higher level.
And then you have to make sure that all of the sub goals are
aligned like every sub team, because it's a hierarchy of
teams that are working together to actually deliver some type of
program or big project or whatever, right?
And it's like you want to align all of these things together.
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Um, but I was, it's interesting that I was one of the things I'm
thinking about in my, my blog ishow you could have a team of
people, especially in corporate America, corporate world where
the manager, the, the people developing the product, their
goal is to have a great product,right?
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And they might hire people whosegoal is to make a lot of money,
right, without spending that much energy on it.
That's the goal. Your goal is to how I can
maximize my profit with less effort.
Your cost benefit analysis. And and, but but some for the
rest of the team are the leadersof the team has to deliver
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something successful for the customer, right?
Then there's, although it can look like it's in a somewhat of
an alignment, but you will have a lot of repercussions of not
seeing the delta there, right? If you don't see the depth that
delta at the beginning. People, when they say, nobody
says to you, well, I'm just hereto make money, right?
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Nobody says that. But you have to detect that in
people. You have to be able to feel it
in people. When questions are being asked,
how do they answer? Passionate about their position.
Not a lot, I don't think so, no,I'm not in my experience.
What do you think? I don't think there's a lot of
passionate positions available. Are you passionate about what
you do at? Work.
No, I think I'm good at it and Ifeel fulfilled by being the best
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me that I can be. And I think you can find
fulfillment in anything that youdo.
If you do everything like you doanything, you can feel pride in
the fact that you have consistency or like a principled
approach to what you do. And not only that, people will
start to notice that. People will notice that where
you work, people will notice that in society, people who
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don't know you will notice that.Your family will notice it, your
friends will notice it. If you start applying that sort
of ideal, like I do everything like I do anything that means
like if you find something, oh, I love this thing.
I love video games. I play them all the time and and
I apply a lot of like focus to them so that I get better and
better at them. But if you, like, have something
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else that's going on that you need to apply that same type of
focus to, I'm sure you will succeed within that arena.
You know what I mean? So do anything like you do
everything, everything like you do anything.
I love that that you say that because I fully believe that.
I feel like I have another pointI was gonna make, but that's
good. No, no, no, no.
It's good. I, I think I made it.
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I think I made it. Comes back please.
I didn't think you were interrupting me or anything, but
I was like, did I have a greaterpoint?
I was not. No, no, it makes sense.
It makes, that's what I said, OK.
No, I, I, I agree with everything you said there.
And I, I, just, I, I wonder a lot about, well, how first of
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all, it's prevalent that there are people that we'll pretend
to, well, we'll sort of look like they're aligning with your
goal, but really ultimately deepdown, that's not what they want
to be doing, right? And so that will introduce all
these obstacles in your ability to deliver the thing because
they're not going to deliver on time or they don't know what
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they're doing specifically. So it's going to fail a lot
They're. They're playing defence to hold
something from the people that are above them and they're
trying to put up a face to you like OHK.
Actually all the check was in the mail.
What exactly it's exactly that? We didn't sign the check now
Ohno. And instead of like and part of
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the blog. And maybe I shouldn't talk too
much about the blog, but like. A little punk, that blog.
Girl, I am gonna share the blog because by that time the blog
will be done. But part of the blog discusses
the fact that it's easier to address the situation if you can
identify it at the beginning of the project.
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Meaning that it's a by simple questions, you could tell what
people are really interested in and they want necessarily say
that exactly what you have in mind.
But it's like a feeling. And an example of that is Steve
Jobs. I love Steve Jobs, so a lot of
my examples are from him. Alright, the beginning of Apple.
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I like the flawed geniuses, by the way.
You can learn a lot from them. There's a lot.
But geniuses are every humanist.I'm saying it almost seems to be
ubiquitous, but sorry, go. On yeah, no, he's so he was
saying that one of his most important job was recruiting.
So that was at the beginning. Maybe it changed over time, but
at the beginning of Apple, I guess after, after Apple was
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already a success after a few millions, he, he was asked how
he recruited people, what not. And and then they showed it was
a YouTube clip I was seeing. They showed the original group
of some early group of Apple of engineers and researchers or
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whatever, talking about their recording, their recruiting
process and where they show people the Lisa or the, the, the
computer that they were working on the time.
And they said the most critical part of interview, at least to
my mind, was when we finally decided we liked them enough to
show them the Macintosh prototype and then stack them
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down in front of it. And if they just kind of were
bored or said, this is a nice computer, we didn't want it.
We we wanted their eyes to lightup and then to get really
excited. And then we knew they were one
of us. Meaning if you're just out there
to make money, not say, or you're not, you're not that
passionate about this thing thatwe're all like, that's our baby.
As a group, we build this thing,that's our baby.
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And if you're not that excited about this, we're not.
We don't want you. I mean again.
It's good litmus test. I love that.
I love that because it's not, I do remember interviewing people
and asking them what do you wantto have this job?
And people saying like, well, because you know, I think it's
the way of the future. I think that you know software,
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you know we like you can't go wrong with you working in
software. What?
Wow, what? So you're just kind of gonna go
anywhere for the right amount ofmoney, right?
So you're gonna have 0 loyalty here?
Do you even realize what you're saying here?
I mean, you're just kind of saying that like the idea that
it's going to be self gratifyingfor you is what's interesting to
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you about this position. It's nothing.
It's not even just. That you're telling your
employer that is like a primary thing.
That's weird. It's like.
Switch to find. Something about you literally
telling me that there's nothing about it.
That's that impressive for you? Like you're not actually
interested in software engineering, right?
You're you're just interesting in the fact that people are
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interested in software engineering like, hey, the world
is interested in this. It's like people that that
jumped onto crypto, not because they were interested in in these
centralized banking, but like, but they were like, no, I'm, I
like modern currency and I wannamake money.
So I don't care what it how whatis blockchain?
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I don't care. I just want Bitcoin.
OK, and theorem. Yeah, let's go.
But but wait, do you even know what it is and why it's like
that? And there's a very big
difference between the people that understood the philosophy
behind it versus the people thatdidn't and the people that
didn't. That's basically that's when I
say when everybody does something and then their
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grandparents also do again, their Mamas are doing it as
well, Then it's too late now. You're late.
You're late in the curve. Yeah, like I think, I mean, I'm
not. There's still room to make money
because there's percentages. Being gay in jail.
But this is what the speculationfield is, yeah.
And there was a period of time before Bitcoin specifically was
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had the ability to be speculatedupon like Bitcoin futures.
And I'm talking to my ass because I'm not an economics
guy, but I'm saying like, yeah, there was a pre and post
cryptocurrency speculation period where day traders and
stuff like that were able to utilize Bitcoin as a value based
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to ban against and hedge againstor bet on and get in, get out.
And it started to be manipulatedthe same way some people claim
allegedly the stock market is manipulated today.
And I thought lots of experiencein the stock market.
And, and when I say lots, I don't mean I have a diverse
stock portfolio. I mean I bought a stock and held
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it for a period of about 15 years and watched all the ups
and downs and made money off thestock.
But was very interested in the day-to-day machinations of the
market and how people manipulatea small like what some would
call a penny stock. To go up and down based on a
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small amount of actual units traded but multiple trades in
quick succession in a certain direction.
Algorithmically trading so to speak too.
Like massively influenza market to go up and down a few percent.
But when you're working on a daytrading thing and maybe you're
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working with 1,000,000 bucks, a few percent today if you're on
the plus side is a lot of money.So why wouldn't you if you
couldn't afford a bunch of algorithm machines?
Yeah. No, I get that.
And and I think that if somebodyin an interview talked about it
the way you just did, I think that would be somebody I would
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be interested in hiring. I feel like I'm missing some
points because I'm. Not it's not perfection, Dennis
Drive. It's the there's something about
it I'm really interested in versus well, everybody's going
there. So I guess I'm gonna go there,
right. That's that's when somebody
tells me this is the way of the future.
OK, why, Why, why do you think? Well, I mean, everybody's doing
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it. OK, so that's the reason why you
want to do that means that as soon as people change their
mind, you leave, right? But you're, you're not
interested in in crypto, you're not interested in the topic,
interested in just. The potential problem?
But the potential, but, but justpotential, not of this thing,
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right? But the word potential and
everything has potential. Fear of missing.
Out yeah, it's just like and again I don't think that it's
wrong to be like yeah, it's not wrong to be like that I just
know that in my teams I wouldn'twant to have somebody like that
but it's not wrong. But again, if you're like that
and but you're super skilled at a thing I need specifically in
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my team and you really good at it and you do it Your your your
eyes closed. OK maybe I'll forgive I'll
forget the fact that you don't really care but you're not part
of the team. You're just a contractor right
or something because I just needthis one thing from you.
I don't really need anything else.
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if you wanna ride with big gonnafind it Yeah city look for
business pretty tragedy turned back to reality reacted she mad
at me. I'm kept chilling like a villain
on the porch when he's sitting in the porch or something to
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pump my because yeah, nothing for the same days here that's
been on my page. The fucking rain days, yet I was
sitting with rainy days Revival.Yeah, you fucking yeah.
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Yeah, I came with Flotilla, but my game just till I came to look
for my fucking pain on my block.Yeah, I kick the corner, come
with the clutch pop fix ahead oftheir toes.
They tipping. I'm rocking lavish.
Nobody fucking knows, right? And the fucking post something
under 21 like a fucking savage. They broke trust too many times.
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They fucking average. Yeah, the witches. 6 minutes
this is. If you wanna ride, you wanna
ride with Dad.
I love that you're breaking out 33.
There's something about that number.
I love it. Cool, cool.
Alright, you ready? Yeah, 321.
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Yeah, so it's a podcast 7. Is this 7?
I think so. Yeah, OK.
We're trucking along. Like I've never been so
consistently committed to an extracurricular activity since
my teens, maybe when I was participating in like sports and
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stuff like that. Yeah.
Yeah, wow. Like too, well, other than work,
like I didn't have a ton of hobbies where I was like part of
a club or something like that. Yeah, you know what I mean?
Why were you always part of a club on some sports team or
something like. That I have had.
I know I've done a lot of outside of work hobbies because
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I've moved. I've moved in different places
many times and I feel like it's there.
It's a good way to meet people to do activities.
Right. OK, so like, but one of them
that I locked on very early was the salsa thing.
So I was doing it like four or five times a week.
Um, yeah. Lot of sport.
No, it no it isn't. Aggressive dancing.
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It is a sport, aggressive dancing.
Yeah. I was in shape, isn't that was
doing that. And then I ended up being in a
performance group for a little while, but then the performance
group was too intense, like the amount of the amount of hours
that they wanted to work. And I don't like structure like
that. What do you mean like an improv
troop or like an acting squad? Like an acting squad,
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performance group for salsa, meaning like, yeah, the
choreography, yeah, and you haveto learn the choreography and
then you have to call performance.
So are you aggressively acting at people or are you making like
plan this is a planned performance, everybody show up.
OK. So I thought it was like one of
those things that they. Call when you're in the
performance group, there's a leader.
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There's a leader leader who has the whole choreography that he
teaches the OR he or she teachesor they teaches A choreography
and they are usually part of thegroup of troops.
So they're also dancing with us.And then we go to different
showcase and we just present this thing.
And I just, well, first of all, it wasn't really the way I liked
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it. Then it's like when I go out and
dance by myself. It's my personal style when
you're when you're in a troop ofpeople and we all have to do the
same move at the same time. Sounds competitive.
Then you have to be In Sync. Only competitive.
No, that is just the idea that you have to look at everyone in
and try to make sure that it looks good with you personally,
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but it also looks good with the whole group, right?
So sometimes you have to slow down your move to to make sure
that it fits what everybody else.
Group dynamic. Like that?
No, I don't like relying on other people either.
I don't really delegate a whole lot in my professional life.
I'd rather kind of just do a little bit more work myself.
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I'm not a martyr, but I'd ratherjust do a little bit more work
myself, make sure it's done to my satisfaction and then I don't
even have to worry about somebody else doing it half
assed or something like. That so in school you didn't
like team projects? No, I didn't.
Well, I mean. You were No, it's your fault.
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You're making me try to think through my teenage brain.
Like at the time, I think maybe I like group projects because it
gave me an opportunity to kind of like Dick around.
Like you got into a tiny group and then all of a sudden the
teacher was like hovering aroundto these subgroups.
So he's all the way over there on that far subgroup.
And if you get grouped up with awith a cool group of people,
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then you can just kind of bullshit.
Yeah. But then, yeah, I know.
I I did a lot of that, you know,at.
School. Yeah.
It reminds me of what you were saying in one of our previous
sessions about, you know, children that experiment with
marshmallows. Oh yeah, the delayed
gratification. Test somehow, because I know I
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was a rule follower and if people told me, OK, this is it,
that's the exercise, You're doing a group activity, and I
did all my effort to make sure that the group is working.
Everybody knew their part or whatnot, right?
And as a child I did that and I as an adult, young adult, I did
that. And then now I'm more like, OK,
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so if you don't wanna part, be part of this group, you don't
have to, right? I'm gonna do this by myself,
right? And I don't need anybody else.
I don't have time for that. I'm very comfortable now just
doing things by myself and I think that that for me
personally, it's actually how I even live relationships, right?
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Like I I've never been married myself.
I've never been in like super long term relationships and I
feel like the same way where I Idon't mind making the effort if
somebody else is making the effort, but if they're not, then
I'm out. Like there's no problem with me
just doing this alone, right? So it's just interesting that my
personality type kind of is consistent there.
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And it also realizing that groupsynergy is difficult.
It's very difficult. You're making me think more
acutely about my group experience in school and and
even after the fact and like work environments and various
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different situations where you found yourself having to
interact with other people and like you have a common goal.
This is meant to be a cooperative team thing.
And I can remember now it being sort of common, me sort of
assessing one or two of a group of four that are basically
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worthless as far as like contributing to the ultimate
goal. And then me and another person
that could at least work or at least were like, we need to get
this over with or something likethat.
But I know I was talking before about that immediate memory that
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I had of like using it as an opportunity to goof off because
now the teachers attention is divided and we're in subgroups
and he's basically got his attention elsewhere.
You'd have his back to you at certain point.
So you can just basically bullshit with the group.
But now I'm remembering this dynamic where it was immediately
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assessed within the group who was essential and who was
basically dead weight. Yeah, no, it and it and it's
like about it. And I I actually remember
clearly when the groups are selected by the teacher and if
he's such a nerd, when people found out that they were great
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with me. Die.
Are you OK? Yeah, you can have it.
It's just I. Head Scotch.
No, it's good. OK, now so.
That's. Good.
Keep that actually and I think it's you should promote that,
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you know it's like no slide. 14.I I remember when the teacher
had to select groups, but groupstogether.
And because I'm such a nerd, when people knew they were put
in a group with me, they were like, thank God.
I could tell the ones that were like, thank God I don't have to
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do anything because I knew like I don't care who's in this team
this right and now and now I'm sort of adult.
I'm like, wait, what a waste of time and do I have to do this?
I. Don't.
Yeah. But there was still there was a
singular benefit to you doing that because you as well you as
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a group, well your group would get a good mark and whatever
mark that group project contributed to your ultimate
mark would be a positive on your.
Ledger for me, yes. But I realize you're, you're
polling like they're hanging on to your threads as you climb the
mountain, but like still you still get a positive outcome
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from it. It's just kind of bold because
oftentimes these group projects or group dynamics are meant to
be 4 person jobs. So if you find yourself doing
the job of. Like I, I also feel like perhaps
part of the thing that they wereteaching us in school is how do
you get along or get, how do youwork with people to get them to
do the part that they have to doright?
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Like some type of leadership hasto, has to be born out of these
situations. Somebody has to say, hey, you,
I'm going to, I'm going to hunt,I'm going to find you every
night. I'm going to think about you.
I'm going to call you. I'm gonna ask you for.
This engineer. No, but like I'm sure there's a
little thing about it. Like where it's always that it's
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like, if it's a big project, there's like two or three
people, two people that really care about having that good
grade, and then they're worried about everybody else not
delivering, right? And these people, like, we could
get mad, but could get really mad during that presentation.
We're smiling, but in our heads,we're thinking, no, you don't
know what I have to go through. You have no idea.
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This smile does not tell you anything about my experience.
We're sort of talking about slightly different subject as
I'm talking about like grade school then high school.
You're talking about now the work dynamic.
But even some of the stuff, yeah, even some of the stuff
that I was talking about in the high school level where it's
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like you do kind of understand the ramifications of your
fucking off and not taking advantage of like a grade, you
know what I mean, to actually bolster your final grade.
So yeah, it all applies it. Applies to get every level.
I think like if you learn this very early that you could take,
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you don't have to work that hard.
If you're in a team and other people could do the work for
you, you learn that. And in elementary school, right?
Perhaps perhaps not all the time, but I'm saying that then
you've learned that in in schooland work in your adult years.
Because I don't see people in teams as adults that didn't seem
to be putting that much energy into the work.
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Like I would see people that arelike working late logging on at
10:00 PM like what is happening.Driving what I'm seeing
everywhere at society at. This point, that's my point like
that. But they, they, they learned
this in elementary school. They were allowed and there's
always somebody in the team thatwants to make this work.
Do you remember when people would return calls like like?
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No, that was my parents age and I'm sure.
Yeah, I know. I'd seriously, it was, I think
it there was a time where peopleconsidered a little bit more how
it made them look like their appearance or how much they
cared about a task or something that they had to do that would
affect another person's momentumgoing forward.
You know what I mean? They'd feel a little bit more
shame about derailing somebody else's day, but like now there's
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a whole lot more mutual distraction going on.
So it just creates in society, Ifeel a little bit more about
relaxed approach towards work. Yeah, I mean, OK, so on that,
let me give you an example. Everybody slightly distracted.
When everybody knows you an. Example.
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Yeah. So when I was younger, OK, so
before, before the cell phones, if you were hanging out with a
friend and you say, hey, let me,let's meet on Saturday at 1:00
PM at this coffee shop, you know, the cell phone taking a
bus to get there. And the bus is like 30 minutes.
So I, I, I would get there. I would like do like organize my
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day if people, if anybody got inmy way on my prep time to get
there, I would have to tell them, I'm sorry, I gotta go.
I'm, I'm busy cause I, I gotta go cause I've already calculated
how much time is gonna take me to get there and at what time
the bus is like, right know these things.
I don't want to be, I don't wantto be late because my friend, I
don't have a way to connect withmy friend.
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So I cared more about them when I didn't have a cell phone, But
now when a cell phone, dude, somebody takes you 5 minutes
prior to the, the, the start time.
What the me time, right? And it's like, oh, wait, that
means I'm already in my car. I'm parking right now.
I'm right in front of the thing.Cause I'm already, I'm usually a
little early. So I'm just like, how are you
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telling me 5 minutes before you were supposed to be here?
Like to me, you don't really care about my time.
So that's the thing. The fact that communication
became so mobile meant that people could be a lot more
flippant about showing up. They could cancel at the last
minute. Lot.
More because it affects came up the social fabric a lot more
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than you initially anticipated. And Can you imagine being in a
situation where all you got are landlines and you plan on
meeting somebody somewhere and then they don't show up or like,
what are you supposed to do? I guess there were a lot more
pay phones around at that particular point in time, but it
was a major nuisance. Like you had to be a lot more on
point with punctuality and time because if you miss somebody by
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15 minutes, what are you gonna do?
When you started talking about this, I started thinking about
ohhh. I've been watching a lot of back
episodes of Seinfeld lately and they've got a bunch of dynamics
within this series where the phone comes into play or
somebody not being able to be getting ahold of or voicemail.
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I mean, not voicemail, but answering machines and like the
preamble and people's pre recordings and stuff like that.
There's just a bunch of different stuff where people
don't show up or somebody doesn't get gotten ahold of
because of landlines. And yeah, it's just super
interesting that that was something that we lived through
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in our age demo and that we kindof straddled the analog and the
digital that we have an interesting perspective as a
generation, You know what I mean?
Well, it helps us see the difference between the two, if I
can remember it correctly, even because like, I've got to watch
episodes of Seinfeld disorder jog my memory as to like what we
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used to deal with. Or you need to tell me an
anecdote. I was a very strict because I'm
my father. My father was the same way as
you were very strict, punctual child did my assignments on time
the day before like I I did all I mean, I studied the day before
as well, but but I did everything as I was supposed to.
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And so when technology came, it made people that were already
loose looser. And it's just like, oh, I hated
that. I hated being around people that
didn't take care of the details anymore because some app or some
system was gonna take care of itfor them, right?
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It's, and it's like those other examples would be, um, OK, so
in, in the, I worked in softwaremost of my career and at some
part of my career, I was in software development and I
wasn't the best developer, but Irealized that when people go to,
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they do like a boot camp for software development, like
something really quick to learn,something like the fast-paced,
right, the crash course. They don't really understand
what they're doing right, but they could do enough to be
dangerous. And it's like maybe hire people
because they know the right words, but they really don't
understand the impact of their actions.
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And so to me, it's like, it's like an insult.
But first of all, because I did 4 years of this stuff, but it
and you're gonna do like 2 weeksof a crash course and he's still
going to be hired, but then I have to stay here later because
your code doesn't work. OHT Yeah.
Like how is this happening? I'm saying university and
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college as like a process is basically a crash course.
Yeah, because like you can learntechnical jargon and I don't
mean to be minimalist about it. Like it's a, it's a major
achievement to achieve. Anything.
Yeah, exactly. To apply yourself to a specific
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and ever. Thank you.
Yeah, totally. This is an excellent example.
But um, yeah, like it's you don't actually know what you're
doing within the field until youstart applying it in a
professional manner and an actual rubber hitting the road.
Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah.
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And then, and then you have to have good management that's
that's comfortable with criticism, constructive
criticism. You understand the problem and
understand how to communicate that to you.
That becomes another challenge where if you're not going to
tell these people that they theydon't know what they're doing,
well, we're just going to continue to live the same bad,
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uncomfortable situation for a very long time.
Vicious cycle. Yes.
And I think that that's, again, that's another pattern that we
see in life a lot where I don't really wanna tell you.
I don't like this because I don't know how to tell you this,
so I'm not going to tell you andand everybody else is going to
be penalized for my lack of ability to manage this team or
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my lack of being able to communicate effectively.
What is that? Or what is the word for?
That station. Like lack of execution?
No, it's like a lack of assertiveness.
Assertiveness, yes. Like you're not assertive enough
to like get your point across. Like you, you're kind of passive
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with it. You're kind of like OHS, there's
a, there's a high threshold or ahigh bar for entry for you to
resist. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, sorry, so. People who are more vocal, who
are more aggressive, more assertive, they will, hey, I'm
thinking this right now and they're less of a pushover.
People with more experience in the workplace, right?
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That's sort of what you're getting at, right?
But I'm saying that in a group dynamic, there's always like you
will find some weak links that especially weak links exist for
a reason. It's always interesting that
you'll have teams that will keepthe weak link for a very long
time, right? Because there is nobody in that
group that's able to either reform that person or help them
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get reform, or nobody has enoughauthority or or management skill
to actually let them go. Because when you let them go,
you also have to hire someone else.
So if you couldn't detect that they were.
Like their skill set at the beginning, you might not be able
to detect a fine and another person that's better than them,
right? So I mean, all the these things
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that these are things that I think about a lot in society and
group dynamics. And I guess I was bringing this
up because, you know, we might have the same goals, but the way
we go about things could be different.
And I just don't know how the people that are slightly more
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lazy or more or less effect. How, how does that work?
Like if you did not, if you weren't in a team, how would
that actually work? Like, how would you get started?
How would you complete this, this stuff?
Like I would have that question like, so you need me to be here.
So can I, can I not also rely onyou to finish some things
because I was here to get it started and and managed like the
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thing. So like what about you doing
your part so that we kind of work together or else why are
you here? Yeah.
But some people operate on the like, like really what it boils
down to, like the Organism level.
Like you do the bare minimum to get by, like you assess in every
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field that you enter, What is the bare minimum I have to do
that I don't like a choir so much static going through this
environment that I can't cope. So what's the bare minimum I
have to do in that often falls well below people's
expectations. You know what?
I. Mean, so funny if I should be
talking about this right now because I am actually writing A
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blog about this trip now. Well, not specifically that, but
yeah, you're touching on an elements that I was working on.
So I'm writing A blog on a blog on goal setting.
So again, I work in project management, management and all
that stuff and I. Have goals accomplishing.
Goals and, and when you're program manager, you set it up,
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you set goals that are higher level.
And then you have to make sure that all of the sub goals are
aligned like every sub team, because it's a hierarchy of
teams that are working together to actually deliver some type of
program or big project or whatever, right?
And it's like you want to align all of these things together.
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Um, but I was, it's interesting that I was one of the things I'm
thinking about in my, my blog ishow you could have a team of
people, especially in corporate America, corporate world where
the manager, the, the people developing the product, their
goal is to have a great product,right?
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And they might hire people whosegoal is to make a lot of money,
right, without spending that much energy on it.
That's the goal. Your goal is to how I can
maximize my profit with less effort.
Your cost benefit analysis. And and, but but some for the
rest of the team are the leadersof the team has to deliver
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something successful for the customer, right?
Then there's, although it can look like it's in a somewhat of
an alignment, but you will have a lot of repercussions of not
seeing the delta there, right? If you don't see the depth that
delta at the beginning. People, when they say, nobody
says to you, well, I'm just hereto make money, right?
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Nobody says that. But you have to detect that in
people. You have to be able to feel it
in people. When questions are being asked,
how do they answer? Passionate about their position.
Not a lot, I don't think so, no,I'm not in my experience.
What do you think? I don't think there's a lot of
passionate positions available. Are you passionate about what
you do at? Work.
No, I think I'm good at it and Ifeel fulfilled by being the best
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me that I can be. And I think you can find
fulfillment in anything that youdo.
If you do everything like you doanything, you can feel pride in
the fact that you have consistency or like a principled
approach to what you do. And not only that, people will
start to notice that. People will notice that where
you work, people will notice that in society, people who
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don't know you will notice that.Your family will notice it, your
friends will notice it. If you start applying that sort
of ideal, like I do everything like I do anything that means
like if you find something, oh, I love this thing.
I love video games. I play them all the time and and
I apply a lot of like focus to them so that I get better and
better at them. But if you, like, have something
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else that's going on that you need to apply that same type of
focus to, I'm sure you will succeed within that arena.
You know what I mean? So do anything like you do
everything, everything like you do anything.
I love that that you say that because I fully believe that.
I feel like I have another pointI was gonna make, but that's
good. No, no, no, no.
It's good. I, I think I made it.
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I think I made it. Comes back please.
I didn't think you were interrupting me or anything, but
I was like, did I have a greaterpoint?
I was not. No, no, it makes sense.
It makes, that's what I said, OK.
No, I, I, I agree with everything you said there.
And I, I, just, I, I wonder a lot about, well, how first of
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all, it's prevalent that there are people that we'll pretend
to, well, we'll sort of look like they're aligning with your
goal, but really ultimately deepdown, that's not what they want
to be doing, right? And so that will introduce all
these obstacles in your ability to deliver the thing because
they're not going to deliver on time or they don't know what
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they're doing specifically. So it's going to fail a lot
They're. They're playing defence to hold
something from the people that are above them and they're
trying to put up a face to you like OHK.
Actually all the check was in the mail.
What exactly it's exactly that? We didn't sign the check now
Ohno. And instead of like and part of
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the blog. And maybe I shouldn't talk too
much about the blog, but like. A little punk, that blog.
Girl, I am gonna share the blog because by that time the blog
will be done. But part of the blog discusses
the fact that it's easier to address the situation if you can
identify it at the beginning of the project.
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Meaning that it's a by simple questions, you could tell what
people are really interested in and they want necessarily say
that exactly what you have in mind.
But it's like a feeling. And an example of that is Steve
Jobs. I love Steve Jobs, so a lot of
my examples are from him. Alright, the beginning of Apple.
(26:46):
I like the flawed geniuses, by the way.
You can learn a lot from them. There's a lot.
But geniuses are every humanist.I'm saying it almost seems to be
ubiquitous, but sorry, go. On yeah, no, he's so he was
saying that one of his most important job was recruiting.
So that was at the beginning. Maybe it changed over time, but
at the beginning of Apple, I guess after, after Apple was
(27:09):
already a success after a few millions, he, he was asked how
he recruited people, what not. And and then they showed it was
a YouTube clip I was seeing. They showed the original group
of some early group of Apple of engineers and researchers or
(27:29):
whatever, talking about their recording, their recruiting
process and where they show people the Lisa or the, the, the
computer that they were working on the time.
And they said the most critical part of interview, at least to
my mind, was when we finally decided we liked them enough to
show them the Macintosh prototype and then stack them
(27:50):
down in front of it. And if they just kind of were
bored or said, this is a nice computer, we didn't want it.
We we wanted their eyes to lightup and then to get really
excited. And then we knew they were one
of us. Meaning if you're just out there
to make money, not say, or you're not, you're not that
passionate about this thing thatwe're all like, that's our baby.
As a group, we build this thing,that's our baby.
(28:12):
And if you're not that excited about this, we're not.
We don't want you. I mean again.
It's good litmus test. I love that.
I love that because it's not, I do remember interviewing people
and asking them what do you wantto have this job?
And people saying like, well, because you know, I think it's
the way of the future. I think that you know software,
(28:35):
you know we like you can't go wrong with you working in
software. What?
Wow, what? So you're just kind of gonna go
anywhere for the right amount ofmoney, right?
So you're gonna have 0 loyalty here?
Do you even realize what you're saying here?
I mean, you're just kind of saying that like the idea that
it's going to be self gratifyingfor you is what's interesting to
(29:00):
you about this position. It's nothing.
It's not even just. That you're telling your
employer that is like a primary thing.
That's weird. It's like.
Switch to find. Something about you literally
telling me that there's nothing about it.
That's that impressive for you? Like you're not actually
interested in software engineering, right?
You're you're just interesting in the fact that people are
(29:21):
interested in software engineering like, hey, the world
is interested in this. It's like people that that
jumped onto crypto, not because they were interested in in these
centralized banking, but like, but they were like, no, I'm, I
like modern currency and I wannamake money.
So I don't care what it how whatis blockchain?
(29:42):
I don't care. I just want Bitcoin.
OK, and theorem. Yeah, let's go.
But but wait, do you even know what it is and why it's like
that? And there's a very big
difference between the people that understood the philosophy
behind it versus the people thatdidn't and the people that
didn't. That's basically that's when I
say when everybody does something and then their
(30:04):
grandparents also do again, their Mamas are doing it as
well, Then it's too late now. You're late.
You're late in the curve. Yeah, like I think, I mean, I'm
not. There's still room to make money
because there's percentages. Being gay in jail.
But this is what the speculationfield is, yeah.
And there was a period of time before Bitcoin specifically was
(30:24):
had the ability to be speculatedupon like Bitcoin futures.
And I'm talking to my ass because I'm not an economics
guy, but I'm saying like, yeah, there was a pre and post
cryptocurrency speculation period where day traders and
stuff like that were able to utilize Bitcoin as a value based
(30:46):
to ban against and hedge againstor bet on and get in, get out.
And it started to be manipulatedthe same way some people claim
allegedly the stock market is manipulated today.
And I thought lots of experiencein the stock market.
And, and when I say lots, I don't mean I have a diverse
stock portfolio. I mean I bought a stock and held
(31:10):
it for a period of about 15 years and watched all the ups
and downs and made money off thestock.
But was very interested in the day-to-day machinations of the
market and how people manipulatea small like what some would
call a penny stock. To go up and down based on a
(31:34):
small amount of actual units traded but multiple trades in
quick succession in a certain direction.
Algorithmically trading so to speak too.
Like massively influenza market to go up and down a few percent.
But when you're working on a daytrading thing and maybe you're
(31:58):
working with 1,000,000 bucks, a few percent today if you're on
the plus side is a lot of money.So why wouldn't you if you
couldn't afford a bunch of algorithm machines?
Yeah. No, I get that.
And and I think that if somebodyin an interview talked about it
the way you just did, I think that would be somebody I would
(32:18):
be interested in hiring. I feel like I'm missing some
points because I'm. Not it's not perfection, Dennis
Drive. It's the there's something about
it I'm really interested in versus well, everybody's going
there. So I guess I'm gonna go there,
right. That's that's when somebody
tells me this is the way of the future.
OK, why, Why, why do you think? Well, I mean, everybody's doing
(32:40):
it. OK, so that's the reason why you
want to do that means that as soon as people change their
mind, you leave, right? But you're, you're not
interested in in crypto, you're not interested in the topic,
interested in just. The potential problem?
But the potential, but, but justpotential, not of this thing,
(33:01):
right? But the word potential and
everything has potential. Fear of missing.
Out yeah, it's just like and again I don't think that it's
wrong to be like yeah, it's not wrong to be like that I just
know that in my teams I wouldn'twant to have somebody like that
but it's not wrong. But again, if you're like that
and but you're super skilled at a thing I need specifically in
(33:24):
my team and you really good at it and you do it Your your your
eyes closed. OK maybe I'll forgive I'll
forget the fact that you don't really care but you're not part
of the team. You're just a contractor right
or something because I just needthis one thing from you.
I don't really need anything else.
(33:47):
Yeah, yeah, now you're riding. I'll be in the wet cause sliding
if you wanna ride with big gonnafind it Yeah city look for
business pretty tragedy turned back to reality reacted she mad
at me. I'm kept chilling like a villain
on the porch when he's sitting in the porch or something to
(34:09):
pump my because yeah, nothing for the same days here that's
been on my page. The fucking rain days, yet I was
sitting with rainy days Revival.Yeah, you fucking yeah.
(34:31):
Yeah, I came with Flotilla, but my game just till I came to look
for my fucking pain on my block.Yeah, I kick the corner, come
with the clutch pop fix ahead oftheir toes.
They tipping. I'm rocking lavish.
Nobody fucking knows, right? And the fucking post something
under 21 like a fucking savage. They broke trust too many times.
(34:52):
They fucking average. Yeah, the witches. 6 minutes
this is. If you wanna ride, you wanna
ride with Dad.
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