June 9, 2025 • 48 mins
This week we sat with trumpet player, singer and songwriter Ruth Nichols AKA RuthTrumpets AKA Mahealane. We talked about the band Low Poly Cactus that she co-leads with her partner Adam Rochelle, being a burner, working for the Clare Fisher Estate, and the instability that can come along with being a musician in these tumultuous times. We also guess a beverage on the debut of our new "Beverage Segment." It was a blast, check it out and subscribe!
Filmed and produced by Adrian VAO @STRIPEDBEATLE
produced by Dr. Deen Anbar @anbarmusic
produced by Valeria Munguia @Infinivee
recorded at HoK studios in Los Angeles, CA
special thanks to Dustin Knouse and Ruth Nichols
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(00:17):
Welcome back to One Leg at a Time, the podcast about health,
Wellness, fun, recovery and music.
I'm your host, Doctor Dean Anbar, and I'm interviewing
other musicians and creatives about their process, their
priorities, and the things that they do to achieve their goals.
And today we have Ruth Nichols, AKA Ruth Trumpets.
(00:38):
Hello. Hi.
How are you doing? Well, this is my first podcast.
So cool. A little nervous, but I'm OK
now. You have nothing to be nervous
about. We're just going to kibitz.
That's Jewish for bullshit. Yes.
Are you Jewish? No, no, sorry.
It's all good. All right, so you're here.
This is your first podcast. Well, what's been like?
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What have you been up to? Well, we've been in our
recording phase. Have you?
So like in my house, it's like a, it's a studio mostly.
We do live there, but you know, it's all the whole front room is
like the pianos, the synths, thekeyboards.
That's awesome Microphones. I have like my own little setup
in another room. But yeah, we did a recording
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session with the band for like our next LPC album, Poly Cactus
album, and it was just the rhythm section this time.
So the first album we recorded in in our living room, just live
with everyone. And, you know, we really wanted
that live presence of just the energy that you get.
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You know, I do. It's just different when you're
isolated in booths. It the energy of a live
performance is almost impossibleto recreate in a studio.
Yeah. And even then, I think that the
the key to it is like, if you have some people there, that all
that helps so much. Yeah.
Do you have anyone producing? I mean, Adam does most of the
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production in terms of anything in the box and the mixing.
He did the mixing for the album.We had a guy in Germany or
something master it. But yeah, it's basically we had
a friend engineer, OK. And we had another like his
brother is a videographer. So he was there like nice in
(02:30):
like weaving around the band. Yeah, with his camera in this
cactus costume. OK, that's awesome.
And then he had like the 360 cameras.
So that's how we did like our visual filming.
OK, cool. For like the first.
So the whole thing was like filmed while we were recording
it and we did like four or five takes per song.
It was over 2 days. Nice.
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So it was, it was grueling in a good way.
That sounds awesome. I didn't know about any of that.
Yeah. The reason I asked about a
producer is because it does help.
Or at least what I should say isI'm like finally at a place in
my life where I can accept that I am not like the ultimate
knower of how something should go, you know?
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And so just having someone else to bounce ideas off of or to say
like, no, if you want this thing, like, try doing this, you
know, somebody who's like who I essentially am saying I trust
implicitly to like give me direction on something that I
would otherwise not know how to do.
I think having an outside producer in that way is really
useful if, if you have a good relationship with them, like if
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you're on the same page about the concept and stuff.
I think Adam and I are kind of afeedback loop of that to each
other frequently when we're making the music, when we're
thinking about set lists, even for the band, when anything that
we do or that we do for the bandis usually just we bounce that
kind of energy. So if he's working on something,
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he usually asks me to come and listen to it.
Do I, you know, is the base to doing too much?
Does he need to, like, add more pads here?
Does he need to do this or that?Yeah, Who writes most of the
stuff? Do you guys do it together?
We do. It's kind of been back and
forth. So the album we released, I
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think, well, one of the songs, like the intro outro were just
jams. We did a lot of jamming to kind
of just, you know, get a feel for the space, just, you know,
just the setup, how everything sounded and the headphones and
all that. But Adam wrote a lot of the
songs on the album. The like, the first track, the
Whales, we wrote together, and that's from a previous
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collaboration that we did together.
Yeah, for, like, our first EP. But I've written a lot of songs
that we play live and then there's a lot of songs that
we've written together that we are recording more of those now.
OK, cool. What's it like writing with a
partner? There's a certain flow that
works really well of like, for example, like if he's like
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starting to create a beat of some kind or like I have like a
snippet of a melody that I've recorded or I have in my head or
it's like a voice memo or something.
And he's inspired by it. Like sometimes, you know, it's
like that information will be there and he'll just like start
kind of forming kind of like thedrums, the bass, kind of the the
more rhythmic elements. And then like we'll usually
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write chord progressions together.
Sometimes, sometimes you'll do like the A I'll do the B was
kind of tweak each other's progressions.
Sometimes it'll just be all him and I'll be doing a bunch of
melody stuff, harmonies, stacks,the the the little things in the
productions or the kind of the stuff that I like to focus on.
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We met at a like a jam session. Well, it wasn't a jam session.
It was a like a, a show, like a DIY show in like little
Ethiopia. And he was playing in a
different band, and I was playing in the band before, but
I knew the drummer. And so I sat in.
We met that night. He was friends with a close
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friend of mine. And she kind of, I think,
noticed that we would get along.And so she had us hang out more
together. And I don't know, he started
producing some of my solo, like some of my solo stuff.
And eventually it was just like,you know, we could just hang
out. Yeah.
We don't need a musical excuse like Benny Blanco and Selena
(06:39):
Gomez. Is that how that happened?
Yeah. I actually just listened to an
interview where he talks about it.
And he was like, I didn't know that we were even on our first
date. I was producing her record, and
she was like, do you want to go and get food?
Oh, yeah. It's kind of like, wow.
You know, And if Selena Gomez asked you to hang out, I guess
you kind of have to. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I think so.
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I mean, he's done a lot of hits and worked with a ton of.
He's a hit machine. So I think if he, if he wanted
to say no, I feel like he could,but that would be silly.
He he sounded like lovingly oblivious to what was going on,
you know, and yeah, I don't know.
They seem, they seem sweet. Yeah.
(07:22):
Well, I also wanted to ask you about this.
So at the time that you and I met, you were working for the
Claire Fisher Foundation or Association or something, right.
It's like the estate. The estate?
Yeah. Yeah.
So what was that job or now are you still doing it?
I am not doing that anymore. So it was a multiple part job.
(07:44):
It was kind of whatever title I wanted to give myself, according
to Brent. He was like, just if you want a
nicer title than assistant, likeyou can make it up, I don't
care. I'm like, OK, it's nice to have
a little bit of freedom. He was, he was like, try
communications director. I'm like, OK, whatever.
OK. I it was, you know, I worked for
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them remotely in when I lived inToledo, OH.
Actually, I got the job when I lived in Denver and when I moved
back to Toledo, I continued the job because it was all remote.
It was a lot of at first creating like the social media
accounts that didn't really exist for Claire Fisher and then
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Brent, his son who runs that whole enterprise, essentially
working with his accounts. So it was like, you know, just
kind of this stuff that a busy musician is like, I need someone
else to do this because I'm arranging with Questlove or
something. And it's like fair.
And I was like, nobody in like that had left Denver, was kind
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of back at home in the Michigan Toledo area.
And it gave me a chance to do a lot of things like formatting
albums, like for CD's, like in Adobe.
That's like really helpful skillI think for any musician to have
just, you know, it's like Jewel or whatever, the companies, they
have layouts for how things look.
(09:16):
I would do stuff like that. I would do a lot of online
digging for royalties, just likeplaces, just looking at
different places where it's like, it's been uncollected
because like Claire Fisher died shortly after I started working
for them. So I never got to meet him.
(09:36):
But yeah, I mean, when I moved to LA, that was part of the
reason why, because I knew Brentand I was like, maybe I can play
in the big band. Maybe he'll connect me to
people, You know, I don't want to die in Toledo doing nothing,
you know? Yeah, I had a lot of really
great friends there. But it's just such a sad place.
(10:00):
When you say Toledo, wait for Ruth.
Where are you from? I was born in Hawaii.
Oh, my parents lived there for like 7-8 years and they had me
kind of at the end and then theymoved to Florida with me and my
sister. But, and then Michigan is where
we ended up. It's where are my dad's from got
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it. So they, he inherited his, his
mom's, the farmhouse, whatever that was passed down.
So it's Toledo, Michigan, it's Ohio.
It is Ohio, but it's right by solike Michigan, I'm trying to
picture in my head because my Toledo is the OH, right, because
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Michigan goes that way. It's like Ohio and Michigan.
It's right on the line, right? And there was a war over it.
Dude, I love state blind wars. Well, I don't remember if it was
like the 1800s or something, butyeah, there was the Toledo War
and it was like, I don't know, less than two weeks long.
And Ohio won. I guess back then you could
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really shut something down like that pretty quickly.
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, they, they brought their
guns out and fought it out. That'll do it.
So, you know, people are like, stop doing this.
I remember when I was a kid because I grew up like just
north of Chicago, and I rememberlearning in like 4th grade that
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where I lived could have also been Wisconsin if like a war had
played out a little differently.OK.
And then we would have all been from Wisconsin.
I was like, thank God, no, nothing against Wisconsin.
I've actually really come to love Midwest Wisconsin, Ohio,
Michigan, the whole thing. It's it's lovely.
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I like Michigan, except Iowa. Yeah.
Well, I would sub out Nebraska as my as my least favorite of
the Midwestern states. Yeah.
And it's what do we call in Kansas, the band or the state?
I don't know. I mean, I haven't been to
Kansas. That all like me neither.
(12:06):
You know, Kentucky. I've only driven through it.
Yeah, I've been. I went to Louisville.
Yeah. That's how you have to say it,
though. OK.
I've only been there once, but Iwent for an Elvis convention.
Wow. OK.
Did you dress up well? I wasn't actually in it.
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That's good. It was kind of.
Yeah, it was. I don't know.
I mean, if that makes you happy,it's fine.
Did it make me happy? I don't know.
I don't. I it's hard to say, but it's a
memory. OK Hey, do you want to spin some
questions on a wheel? Sure.
All right, cool. So invisible previous guests of
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the podcast will know that I have 4 wheels full of questions.
They're not really arranged in any kind of specific way.
So I guess considering that picka number between 1:00 and 4:00.
22. OK, so now what you're going to
do is you're going to tap the center of the wheel where it
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says spin. OK, OK.
And then let's see what questionit comes up with.
Put some music in here. Oh my God, there's an ad.
Sorry, this podcast sucks. This brief intermission is
brought to you by Spin, Spin theWheel.
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This past year at Burning Man, there was a whole group of
people in centre camp that theirwhole thing was to say spin the
wheel at people. And then, like, they did, they
have a wheel. Yeah.
They would go up and they would spin the wheel and.
But everyone had to chant spin the wheel.
It's been the wheel. Yeah, physical wheel.
But they would spin it. And there was all kinds of
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things on it. Like, I think the one I got was
like, I had to like, tell a secret that I'd never told
anyone else. I love that.
And I was like, I couldn't thinkof anything things.
So I was unpopular with the crowd.
Well, you got to make something up.
It was too on the spot. Yeah, I don't know.
I get that. Well, I was going to ask you
because you are a burner. Yep.
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I forgot about that four Times Now.
That's a pretty impressive. What do you like about Burning
Man? What keeps you going back?
It's one of the few places that feels like a community.
The the Jazz Cafe, which is likethe Playa Jazz camp or whatever,
is like my home base. And there are a lot of musicians
from LA and San Jose that make up that group.
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And, you know, there's a bunch of non musicians that make the
camp what it is as well. Yeah.
We had four chefs in our camp. Wow, this past time.
And the food was incredible. Yeah, I bet.
And like, I mean, these two Italians that run, like one of
them runs a like a Michelin starrestaurant that's so cool in San
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Jose or, I don't know, it's someexpensive Italian place, but
like, they were making us food and like, I don't know, there.
It was wild. That's cool.
Yeah. I mean, the stories that I've
heard from Burning Man are obviously nuts.
Yeah. But I guess.
Yeah. You got to love it.
It's great. And like, it really is a place
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where people aren't judging you generally like you, you don't
feel like that eye on you of like, like, oh, you don't look
good in that or like, oh, like, why are you doing that?
Oh, half the people are naked. Yeah.
People are however they want to be.
And like, I think the joy in notlike making that a conversation
(15:39):
point unless if they like it's athing they want to talk about
personally is like, is nice. Sure.
You know, Yeah. It's like relieving.
Yeah. You can get to so many other
things if you just take that element out.
Do you? When you said that the community
is really strong outside of the couple of weeks of Burning Man
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is every year, do you have like,are those connections on going
through the year? Well, so the LA group we're
pretty tight these days, but it's a lot of musicians that you
know as well. Like I know people who are going
to Burning Man guy Guy. Oh yeah, Guy is such a burner.
Yeah, Guy. Well, you I met you've all at
Burning Man really. And guy's the kind of the the
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big connector, I would say. But it's like a bunch of people
throughout the years, like nor used to go and play bass.
I don't know. There's just lots of people that
have made their way out there. So when you go, you're you're
like, you're playing. Yeah, every night. 1:50 Wow.
Sometimes it goes till 4. Doesn't matter.
No rules. So no rules.
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And it's packed. The tent that we build is like,
yeah, completely packed every night because you're doing what
you're doing there. Do you have like accommodations
that are how would I put this? Is it a step above most other
people's experience? Like do you have showers?
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That's my question. Do you have showers?
Well, that's that's like a that you can't it's per camp or per
situation. You may have your own personal,
like, solar shower thing, but like, if your camp doesn't have
a shower, then there's no, thereare other like camps that offer
like, like you, there's a car wash camp.
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Basically you go through it, youhave to be naked and like, you
get scrubbed down by someone else.
It's all consensual. So if you're not, I've never
done that. I would not be comfortable with
that. But then don't go.
But many people are and they getscrubbed clean and then
everyone's rinsed off and then there's a dance party after that
sounds great. Yeah.
I think I remember hearing abouta Doctor Bronner.
(17:50):
Yes. That was maybe a lot.
That's one of the main ones. Yeah.
Are you ready to answer this question?
OK. OK.
It's a doozy. Oh, no.
OK. The question is what helps you
when you are struggling? Is there like a lane of struggle
you you would like to focus on? Not necessarily.
OK. Because if it's more in like the
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career or music area, I would say that I've been for probably
the past year and a half, like in a, like a financial struggle.
So I used to shut down like completely and really retreat
when when that was the case cuz like you can't afford to go out
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anywhere. It's really hard not to get peer
pressured into like also purchasing something totally.
And like also you want to, if you're going to be out of
business, you want to support it, especially if your friends
are playing music because it doesn't look good if you don't
buy something. Parking.
Oh yeah. The, the commute, the time it
takes, you know, to get places and the gas it costs to get
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there. Yeah.
I mean, like, I, I've been in that situation to where it's, I
don't even know where to start because, yeah, it's just like
it, it feels very hard to do anything when that's like
weighing over you. And it's, you know, generally
like things have just been really up and down.
Like I'll have a really good month and then a really bad
month, which is I probably everymusician artist of any kind can
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like, relate to that because it happens to all of us.
Yeah. But like, I feel like there was
a point where I just felt like like after 2022 that like,
things would only get better. Yeah.
At least like with the how busy I was gigging and stuff.
Yeah. And it just really, it just
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fluctuates. It does.
And it's so hard to see that when you're in it, when you're,
when you're in a busy period andyou're like, well, obviously
it'll be like this forever. And, you know, you start buying
the blue algae juice or, you know, whatever, maybe get an
Aviator Nation hoodie or something because you're like,
obviously I'm one of the rich people now.
And then it slows down and you're like, well, I can't
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believe it. I'm back to counting however
many apples I'm about to buy because, you know, you're like,
oh, I should have saved that money.
Yeah, it's it is. It is such a real challenge.
And, you know, to go back to what you were saying about like,
oh, we're in the studio now. Whatever.
I was like, because the reality is when I did start doing the
show, this, the concept for doing this show started at a
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point where things were really busy and I'd been wanting to do
it for like a year. And I just never had time to sit
down and do it. And then things slowed down to
the point where I was like, I finally have the chance to
actually execute this idea of talking to people because I want
to. But of course, that coincided
with a drought, you know? And it was just like, I don't
have a single cent to spend on any of this.
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But it kind of made me double back and go like, but I also
don't have to like I have a phone and I was gifted these
little Bluetooth clip on mics and that's literally all I need.
I'll go to people, I'll go to where they are and like, we'll
sit down and I'm going to teach myself like what it is to kind
of do a show and just have people talk to me because this
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is all I need right now. And then and I learned a lot
from doing it that way. And then I was just kind of
looking critically at what I could do to elevate the show it
if at all possible. And I wanted to try and do stuff
like this. And like right now I can, I
mean, who knows, I might be backto doing it in people's
backyards again, you know, but Iget it.
And it can feel what's the word?I mean, it can feel like it's
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just like this weight on your chest when you don't have any
mobility because like, I don't know if this ever happened to
you or anyone in this room. Like my bank account has gone in
the negatives, you know, and I kind of, and I'm not, this is
not financial advice. This is spiritual and holistic
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advice. When you go into debt like that
or you don't, you literally can't spend money that you don't
have. You still wake up in the
morning, you know, like the world still spins.
Like, yeah, it's stressful as fuck.
Like there's, there's no denyingthat.
But I think that like, you know,removing the thought of like,
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well, I'm not going to go to jail for this, you know, like
I'm not going to I, I don't know, like you, you still have a
certain amount of mobility just in the sense of like, if you
talk to someone about what's going on, it's like, you know,
maybe I can push back my rent for a few weeks or however long
it has to be. It's just like, I'll still, I'll
be OK. Like it's not like you, you die
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like in a video game, like it's or something.
I don't know, I and I kind of had to like get OK with the fact
that like it wasn't always goingto be OK, but that doesn't mean
that I'm not OK. Like if I can just push through
this and like whatever I got to do, you know, maybe start
singing songs outside of the Erawan or something, I don't
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know. So I'm saying that because that
was sort of like the first time I ever had to struggle with
something like that. And then kind of like just
getting to a place emotionally where I was like, I can't let
this, I can't let this be the reason why I don't continue to
try to achieve, you know, because it's not, it's not real.
It's just a number on a screen. You know, I'm still alive.
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So I guess my question to you would be like, if that's what's
going on right now, I'm not suggesting that you have a
negative balance in your account, but like if that, you
know, you, you having brought itup, it's like, is there any kind
of a tactic or anything that you've utilized to kind of get
through a challenging period like that?
There's definitely been a lot oftalking about it, like with, you
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know, with my partner, with Adam, having someone who can
support you, like, like mentally, like just just sit
emotionally. Just to like sit there and
listen to you and also like helpyou give yourself guidelines is
like, it's like I can do so manythings for other people.
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But when it comes to figuring out like how do I dig myself out
of this hole of like continuallylike having some good months and
then a lot of bad months work wise and trying to figure out
like I've been in LA for eight years.
You know, it's like we, you know, it's like the we could
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downsize, but then we'd be out astudio and that's part of like
we both record for a living. And that's like Adam's daily
work studio. And, you know, like the space is
really comfortable in it. And like for, you know, Adam's
mental health, like it's also important to have like structure
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and not like change happening all the time.
And this space is like part of like the structure.
Totally. I spent, it's just like I spent
my first probably like what, till 2022, beginning of 2022, I
slept on a couch. Yeah, this whole time, like, you
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know, there's like a 30 year oldperson sleeping on a couch in LA
because I was like, I don't wantto get a job at Starbucks
totally or something, you know? Yeah.
And like that was the sacrifice I made for many years.
And it was really hard not having privacy.
And there just came a point where I really needed to invest
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in that. But people when you're trying to
rent a place or whatever and youlike, you don't have a pay stub
or whatever, they ask for four times the deposit upfront, for
example. And then like they withhold a
whole month's, you know, they, they take from that and there's
no recourse to getting it back totally, You know, that sort of
(25:53):
thing. Yeah, yeah, it can be ruthless,
you know, but it demonstrates your commitment to this thing
because like you said, like you could get the job at Starbucks
or any other job, really. Yeah.
I mean, I have been job hunting a lot because like, I want to
like I'm going to be a musician till I am dead.
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That's just my calling in life. But for a little bit I need, I
need to figure out something else that will give me stability
to kind of meet certain financial goals.
That careful though that money as in a basic, basic.
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I know I've like super basic financial goals, just getting
out of debt, like being able to like pay, you know, like pay
rent in full for the for like forever or whatever.
You know, it's just like different things.
It's like I need to get my trumpet cleaned.
I would love to get a new flugelhorn.
It's like I can't do any of thattill I get like a solid ground
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of like, you know, constant workfor a while.
You know, it's like, I want to dedicate like a couple years to
just constant full time work. Yeah.
And I would imagine that it likeyou'll just feel better about
it. Everything, you know, when
that's the case. No, I, I, I feel you.
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You know, I, because I, you know, I'm a doctor of music, I
have toyed with the idea of whatI'm going to do with that
doctorate. Like there's a pretty clear lane
for people with my degree, whichis to go and teach.
But my, my thought process is this, for those kinds of
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teaching jobs, it doesn't reallymake sense to stay in LA because
for the most part, an adjunct college faculty teaching job
doesn't pay enough to make it worth it.
So then in like, well, then whatwould be the point of that?
If I'm going to do it, I should just commit to it and like go
somewhere where I can get, you know, a higher paying salary.
And just like I'll be a, I'll bea professor, which isn't like,
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it's not like I wouldn't want todo that, but there's just a lot
of other stuff that I do want todo.
And, you know, not to mention the fact that college jazz
departments are drying up fasterthan I don't know what the
Burning Man doesn't. I think the place where I got my
master's degree, I don't think they offer it anymore.
It's so funny. I was speaking to somebody else
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who has a podcast on the East Coast, and he's interviewing
musicians on the East Coast. It was kind of ironic, but he
was saying that his school, theyjust shut down their jazz
department. Wow.
Yeah. Well, they're going to continue
to only hire dinosaurs with, like, no clue how to interact
(28:49):
with humans. There's that, you know, I mean,
we don't need to start getting into the nitty gritty of, you
know, music education and, and the issues there unless you want
to. Where did you go?
My master's degree was at University of Toledo, UT.
Yeah, it was free, so that's whyI did it.
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Free is good. And that's.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like, I can't say no to like, I love learning stuff.
Yeah. I love learning new skills, like
I've learned, like I've been learning how to produce, like my
partner's been teaching me and Ijust explore my own.
YouTube is a great teacher. Obviously.
YouTube is definitely a great teacher.
Yeah. Yeah.
YouTube University I've like, even thought about like it would
(29:31):
be fun to go to a trade school and learn how to work on cars.
Yeah. Actually, so funny enough, my
sister is doing that where she'sstudying metalworking, but and
she's doing it at a Community College, but they're shutting
that program down. Oh, wait.
OK, you want to answer another question?
Sure. Do you want to do this same
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wheel or do you want to pick another wheel?
Too many options, Too many options.
All right, spin on this wheel. The wheel has options.
The wheel. OK, so I think that this wheel
has some more dense questions. Heavier.
Questions. Heavier questions.
What's the fun wheel? I don't know.
Okay, this is a good one. What is the most beneficial tool
(30:17):
that you've adopted for personalgrowth?
I have a wireless Xbox controller.
That's a tool. Do you have an Xbox or you just
have the controller? Well, so we have like Adam's 360
from when he was growing up, butI just have like a game pass
thing on my computer sometimes and I just play like, yeah, I
(30:39):
just use my laptop. Wait, so how does that?
Because I I just don't really know that much about games.
You use the controller with yourlaptop?
Yeah, just like pairs via Bluetooth.
And they have cloud streaming like online gaming.
Streaming sounds fun. Should I start video gaming?
I can't see it. I mean, it just depends.
(31:02):
Like if you're not into it, justdon't get into it because like,
I, I haven't played video games at all this year.
Yeah. Because like when I was playing
Skyrim for a while, I just got sucked in.
I would play like sometimes six hours straight.
Yeah. And it just wasn't good.
It's like, yeah, no, I know I, the few times in my life that I
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have played video games, like. And I'm such an addictive
personality to begin with that like, yeah, I completely just
took over my whole life. And it usually coincided with
challenging times in some capacity.
Like, there was the month that Iinitially moved to New York
City, which was such a culture shock.
And like, I had never, as an adult, lived outside of Chicago.
(31:44):
And then, like, all of a sudden,I'm in New York and I'm like,
World of Warcraft, give you a free month, I guess.
Let me just see. And, like, I barely left the
apartment for that month, you know, and I went to my classes
because I was going to school and I would go home and I didn't
want to meet new friends. It was terrifying.
(32:05):
Yeah. Well, you've got all those
friends in Wow. Sure do.
Yeah. Yeah.
You could be whoever you want. Yeah, it was.
I was a cat. Were you in Skyrim?
Yeah. Oh, in sky.
I was like, hang on A. Cat I remember.
That I remember killing a lot oflike little forest beasts or
something forest beasts. OK, I've never played well, it's
(32:26):
been a while. I want to get back like when I
am playing video games, I want it to be for fun because like
I'm rewarding myself because like a maybe I submitted
applications, I did some interviews that went well.
Like that would be like I could reward myself with like couple
hours of video game time for that, you know, So I'm, I'm kind
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of, that's how I'm moving forward.
Well, people get, I don't know if that's personal growth, but
no, but I think that it's like, I mean, I think that there's a
time and a place for it. And I do believe that like
playing a video game is a healthier option than like doing
heroin. So I get like in the and the
reason I said I know people who also do heroin.
(33:12):
So if they were like, I need to do something else, I might say
to them like, hey, have you evertried video games, you know, or,
or anything else, I don't know, for example.
And I, you know, I recognize that those are extremes.
But yeah, I like baking. Baking.
That's very cool. I'm gluten free and happened for
like 10-12 years now. Yeah.
(33:32):
So like, I've been doing a lot of like, oh, there's, there's
like they make flour now that you can like make your own pasta
and stuff. And like, they do roll it, man.
Rolling some dough out, like, yeah, you know, working it into
the lump and then rolling it outlike you're working through some
energy. Like if you're trying to get
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energy out in your body, that doesn't feel so good.
Like, at least for me, baking has been really like relieving.
Yeah. And like, I'll just put a
podcast on and it'll, it's like me and Ezra Klein just rolling
the dough out. I'm with you.
My sister, who's getting a lot of shout outs this episode is
also gluten free and has a lot of recipes that I'll send you.
(34:14):
We were all in Chicago a couple of weeks ago.
It was my dad's birthday and we had the we had gluten free
pasta, which frankly, I wasn't ahuge fan of, but she did make
these cookies and I think it wasalmond flour.
OK. And like the recipes, she had a
couple of different things, but the cookies in particular were
like, they were awesome. OK, I'll get it and I'll and
(34:36):
I'll send it over so you can test it out here.
Yeah. You know, if you're, if you're
interested in that sort of thing, of course.
Yeah. Yeah, it was good.
We were like melting chocolate and the thing and dipping and,
yeah, real nice. That sounds good.
Yeah. I like doing stuff like that
too. I don't know that I don't really
have a lot of hobbies like that that are sort of like all, you
(34:56):
know, fully immersive baking video games.
Like when I'm not working, I kind of I don't, I don't know.
You do variations of working out.
That's true. That's like immersive.
It is. It's it's very.
Immersive. I know.
OK, So I do, yeah. And it's true.
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I mean, and the reason why I gravitate towards those things
is, is for that reason. Like it takes you out of
yourself, you know, it takes me out of myself, I guess so, Yeah.
All right. No, I take it back here.
Let's do a different wheel. Are you a doom scroller?
Like people that, like scroll onInstagram and stuff?
Yeah, No, Wow. I don't like that.
(35:38):
I don't like anything I see on there.
Yeah, like, but I liked I scrollon TikTok and I get fork mini
forklift ads. I get the weirdest ass on sticks
on. But the reason I want I know me
too, but it's like I don't need it.
Well, no, because I get that waytoo.
Where like I hit a wall, especially like a social wall
where I'll be just like, I'm done, you know?
(35:59):
And sometimes they never even had it to begin with.
Like I search my friends and look and see what they're up to
because it doesn't show me people I want to see.
The algorithm change. Yeah, you.
Know I also can like seek refugein front of the TV and just like
let a Family Guy season just like wash over me yeah, but I
but that isn't nearly as like destructive to my mental health.
(36:21):
I think as like 5 hours can go by like just video after video
on like, honestly, Instagram is probably the worst but like,
yeah, these apps that have like little short video platforms
built into them. It's just like 1 after another
after another, you know, and I say 5 hours because it was maybe
(36:42):
like a month ago I clocked that I had spent five hours.
And it's just like this, this isthis is really bad.
This, you know, the social mediawas recently someone was calling
it like basically like the cigarette of our generation.
Yeah, and like thinking about like social media in that way,
(37:05):
because it is addictive. It is.
It's been tailored to be addictive in a way that like
with a cigarette or something, you can see, you could open it
up and see the ingredients with any of this stuff, the
algorithms, you can't see any ofthat.
No, you definitely can't. And all this stuff, that faith,
like, I don't know if you know about the, the book, about the
Facebook whistleblower. Oh, yeah.
(37:26):
Careless people or whatever. I no, not actually I don't she
like has a lot of higher up Intel on like what the like
Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg and stuff were up to and like he
was just like they. Know.
They they're, so they're not here to help people.
(37:47):
They're there to make money and to crack the China, the China
market. Yeah, I actually had heard some
stuff like that, but then I saw the movie and I just thought he
was so charming. What movie?
Well, the movie was from a long time ago.
It at that point he might have been a little more charming.
(38:08):
Little Jesse Eisenberg. Yeah.
You know, and we give these people so much of our
information, but we we should beaware of what they're doing.
Yeah. It's like, yeah.
The fact that they, like, won't allow her to go on talk shows or
podcast to talk about her book because she signed an NDA at
some point in her employment. That's interesting.
(38:29):
And yeah, yeah, they're trying to get the book banned.
They're trying all kinds of things, but it keeps selling
out. So what's the name of that book
again? Careless people.
Careless, careless people. Yeah.
Because if it's getting banned, it's getting shadow banned.
I want. Let's let the people know.
Yeah. It is now sponsored by Mark
(38:50):
Zuckerberg, hiding his secrets, selling us, selling all our
information to China. And answer one more question,
and then this is from a different wheel.
Yeah. OK.
This question is, what's the first meal of your day?
Coffee that counts. OK.
(39:13):
What's the first food? Do you not really eat in the
morning? Well, if I'm awake in the
morning, sometimes it's I'll make, I make kale, a lot of
kale. Really.
It's like I'll make myself like like gluten free, like grilled
cheese and a bunch of kale. And that's usually like my
(39:34):
breakfast lunch. Eat the kale raw or do you like
put it in the oven? That was my question.
Yeah, I saute it the oven, it gets too crispy and then all the
IT just gets in your teeth everywhere and takes forever to
floss out. So yeah, I don't I can't eat
first thing in the morning. I do drink a lot of water with I
(39:56):
like my only supplements that I take are essential amino acids
and creatine and I take those and then I also drink a Celsius
which I know. Wow only.
OK, but that's it. And they're very effective.
I'm pretty locked in like where the first food that I usually
(40:16):
will have is the same every day,which is like a banana and some
nuts. And then sometimes it'll be
eggs. But guys, price of eggs these
days. I get so nauseous with like
smelling eggs. Really.
You're not an egg person. I sometimes I try and I bake
with eggs, of course, but like, that's different.
I don't know. I think it's like my dad had
(40:38):
chickens for a while when we were growing up and he made eggs
every morning and I don't, there's some kind of, I just, I
get so nauseous from it sometimes and I like, I like
eggs, like I like omelets, but like, I sound like you, didn't
I? Well, I rarely eat them anymore,
but but I, I've spent a lot of my life eating omelets.
(40:59):
So yeah, it's just strange. I don't know.
Yeah. I've also been just kind of
switching things up because my diet has been like pretty
consistent for the last like 3 years and I just sometimes you
want to fucking switch it up a little bit, you know, yeah, I
guess like I, my only routine ismaking coffee.
Like I do pour over coffee. Yeah, I grind the beans, I boil
(41:22):
the water. I do the, you know, yeah, the
swirl. I, I like doing it.
I used to do that, but then I started drinking Celsius,
sponsored by Celsius. This one is Yeah.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm an addict.What can I say?
I love the caffeine. Is that like 1000% caffeine?
(41:43):
What are what are they putting in those things?
They're putting in 1000% of the caffeine.
Yeah. Like, no, it's a bull or
something. A bull.
It's 200 milligrams of caffeine.There might be some bull parts.
We don't know. I don't know.
I I don't know. Taurine.
Maybe taurine? Taurine.
Taurine. How do you say that?
L Thionine that might be in it. What about yerba matte?
(42:06):
What about it? OK, why don't you know what?
I don't like it. I don't like it.
No, not not like the the real stuff.
The the yellow can. I don't like that either.
The yellow can well, it is yerbamatte, but it's like it's
flavored sweet. It's sweet.
Yeah, it's not. Sugar.
Yeah, I've never, I don't like sugary beverages, which is
ironic because I love sugary stuff in general.
(42:28):
But like a like a Coke heavy versus like a Coke 0.
I'll always go for the What's a Coke heaven.
With sugar in the regular Coke. Just.
Like any regular like like sugared soda, I always prefer
the the diet or the 0 varietal because because they quench me.
(42:52):
Do you know that the Coke 0, it's just a marketing tactic.
It's tell tell me the zero in the diet you could get.
They're the same. No, they taste different, sure,
but it's it's not like I think maybe they use a different kind
of sweetener, but it's yeah, they use a different kind of
sweetener. I know what it is and I'm fine
with it. OK, That's that's fine.
(43:14):
But, you know, it really does more.
It has more to do with the the way it's just like feels.
Yeah. Speaking of Bev's should we do
this thing? We're going to try a new
segment, OK? This is a segment.
I don't have a name for it yet and I am pretty much stealing
this from another podcast that Ireally like.
But we, our producers are are going to provide a drink for us.
(43:35):
I don't know what it is, You don't know what it is.
And the game is we're going to try to guess what it is, OK,
lapping it up, a beverage segment, beverage segment,
trying it out, beverage segment,what's it going to be about?
We're going to take a sip and then don't spit it out.
(44:04):
Exactly 234. OK.
All right, so this is a drink that our producer, V has
provided for us, and we're goingto try it, and we're going to
guess what it is. So can we smell it?
All of your senses can be involved except for sight,
apparently. Coconut water.
(44:31):
Oh, oh, my God. What is that?
OK, so it is carbonated. Are the beverages mixed at all
with other things? OK, They're all so like, that
would be very deceptive. I'm by myself.
It's not sweet. God, what is this?
(44:54):
It has some coconut thing going on in it, but it's carbonated.
It has some kind of like I'm dragon fruit, papaya.
I don't know, you kind of unlocked something for me when
you just had coconut. I just, I don't know any
carbonated coconut beverages. So I think I do.
(45:15):
Unless if they make hair in there too.
Yeah, there's some kind of off fruit like hipster fruit in it
or something. Hipster fruit.
It's not what's, what's the wordviscous.
Yeah, I know the viscosity is light.
It's definitely not sweetened. It's it doesn't have any.
It's like, yeah, like a light carbonated, yeah, like a Perrier
(45:38):
or something, something like that.
But what is that flavour? It's not like a diet soda.
It's some kind of like dragon fruit yuzu.
It's like some some kind of likeI feel like I've had an Ollipop
that kind of tastes like this. I like the Ollipop as a brand
guest, but it's there's Poppy. Poppy.
(45:59):
That's of new brand. Oh.
Yeah, yeah. Well, it's probably not that.
If you're like, Oh yeah, I don'tknow.
Flavor wise I'm going with coconut and dragon fruit.
OK. Or something.
Coconut and dragon fruit something.
My guess was la qua coconut flavored.
(46:21):
Overall, out of all of the things she had said, she's
definitely the closest. Really.
Yeah, when she was mentioning like the poppy thing, the yuzu,
it's lychee flavor. Lychee, that's Lychee.
Well, there was number way I wasever going to get that and Ruth
definitely gets the point. Congratulations on being the
very first winner of this as of yet, unbranded segment that we
(46:43):
are stealing, but we are taking for ourselves.
All right, well, this is awesome.
Thanks for coming on and talking.
Yeah. Thanks for feeling me.
Yeah. Good.
Chill. All right, good.
Oh, there's one more thing that we have to do.
OK. Our sign off is you have to say
I put my pants on one leg at a time.
All right? Yeah.
(47:05):
You know, like the it's like your version of the Beyoncé.
Like if you jump it, if you don't jump in your these jeans,
like, you know, I put my pants on one leg at a time.
Wow, Ruth, amazing. Thank you so much.
Thanks for shooting again. And we will be back next week.
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One leg top. One leg top.
You put your pants on one leg.
Welcome back to One Leg at a Time, the podcast about health,
Wellness, fun, recovery and music.
I'm your host, Doctor Dean Anbar, and I'm interviewing
other musicians and creatives about their process, their
priorities, and the things that they do to achieve their goals.
And today we have Ruth Nichols, AKA Ruth Trumpets.
(00:38):
Hello. Hi.
How are you doing? Well, this is my first podcast.
So cool. A little nervous, but I'm OK
now. You have nothing to be nervous
about. We're just going to kibitz.
That's Jewish for bullshit. Yes.
Are you Jewish? No, no, sorry.
It's all good. All right, so you're here.
This is your first podcast. Well, what's been like?
(00:59):
What have you been up to? Well, we've been in our
recording phase. Have you?
So like in my house, it's like a, it's a studio mostly.
We do live there, but you know, it's all the whole front room is
like the pianos, the synths, thekeyboards.
That's awesome Microphones. I have like my own little setup
in another room. But yeah, we did a recording
(01:23):
session with the band for like our next LPC album, Poly Cactus
album, and it was just the rhythm section this time.
So the first album we recorded in in our living room, just live
with everyone. And, you know, we really wanted
that live presence of just the energy that you get.
(01:46):
You know, I do. It's just different when you're
isolated in booths. It the energy of a live
performance is almost impossibleto recreate in a studio.
Yeah. And even then, I think that the
the key to it is like, if you have some people there, that all
that helps so much. Yeah.
Do you have anyone producing? I mean, Adam does most of the
(02:09):
production in terms of anything in the box and the mixing.
He did the mixing for the album.We had a guy in Germany or
something master it. But yeah, it's basically we had
a friend engineer, OK. And we had another like his
brother is a videographer. So he was there like nice in
(02:30):
like weaving around the band. Yeah, with his camera in this
cactus costume. OK, that's awesome.
And then he had like the 360 cameras.
So that's how we did like our visual filming.
OK, cool. For like the first.
So the whole thing was like filmed while we were recording
it and we did like four or five takes per song.
It was over 2 days. Nice.
(02:52):
So it was, it was grueling in a good way.
That sounds awesome. I didn't know about any of that.
Yeah. The reason I asked about a
producer is because it does help.
Or at least what I should say isI'm like finally at a place in
my life where I can accept that I am not like the ultimate
knower of how something should go, you know?
(03:13):
And so just having someone else to bounce ideas off of or to say
like, no, if you want this thing, like, try doing this, you
know, somebody who's like who I essentially am saying I trust
implicitly to like give me direction on something that I
would otherwise not know how to do.
I think having an outside producer in that way is really
useful if, if you have a good relationship with them, like if
(03:36):
you're on the same page about the concept and stuff.
I think Adam and I are kind of afeedback loop of that to each
other frequently when we're making the music, when we're
thinking about set lists, even for the band, when anything that
we do or that we do for the bandis usually just we bounce that
kind of energy. So if he's working on something,
(04:00):
he usually asks me to come and listen to it.
Do I, you know, is the base to doing too much?
Does he need to, like, add more pads here?
Does he need to do this or that?Yeah, Who writes most of the
stuff? Do you guys do it together?
We do. It's kind of been back and
forth. So the album we released, I
(04:20):
think, well, one of the songs, like the intro outro were just
jams. We did a lot of jamming to kind
of just, you know, get a feel for the space, just, you know,
just the setup, how everything sounded and the headphones and
all that. But Adam wrote a lot of the
songs on the album. The like, the first track, the
Whales, we wrote together, and that's from a previous
(04:43):
collaboration that we did together.
Yeah, for, like, our first EP. But I've written a lot of songs
that we play live and then there's a lot of songs that
we've written together that we are recording more of those now.
OK, cool. What's it like writing with a
partner? There's a certain flow that
works really well of like, for example, like if he's like
(05:08):
starting to create a beat of some kind or like I have like a
snippet of a melody that I've recorded or I have in my head or
it's like a voice memo or something.
And he's inspired by it. Like sometimes, you know, it's
like that information will be there and he'll just like start
kind of forming kind of like thedrums, the bass, kind of the the
more rhythmic elements. And then like we'll usually
(05:33):
write chord progressions together.
Sometimes, sometimes you'll do like the A I'll do the B was
kind of tweak each other's progressions.
Sometimes it'll just be all him and I'll be doing a bunch of
melody stuff, harmonies, stacks,the the the little things in the
productions or the kind of the stuff that I like to focus on.
(05:57):
We met at a like a jam session. Well, it wasn't a jam session.
It was a like a, a show, like a DIY show in like little
Ethiopia. And he was playing in a
different band, and I was playing in the band before, but
I knew the drummer. And so I sat in.
We met that night. He was friends with a close
(06:17):
friend of mine. And she kind of, I think,
noticed that we would get along.And so she had us hang out more
together. And I don't know, he started
producing some of my solo, like some of my solo stuff.
And eventually it was just like,you know, we could just hang
out. Yeah.
We don't need a musical excuse like Benny Blanco and Selena
(06:39):
Gomez. Is that how that happened?
Yeah. I actually just listened to an
interview where he talks about it.
And he was like, I didn't know that we were even on our first
date. I was producing her record, and
she was like, do you want to go and get food?
Oh, yeah. It's kind of like, wow.
You know, And if Selena Gomez asked you to hang out, I guess
you kind of have to. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I think so.
(07:02):
I mean, he's done a lot of hits and worked with a ton of.
He's a hit machine. So I think if he, if he wanted
to say no, I feel like he could,but that would be silly.
He he sounded like lovingly oblivious to what was going on,
you know, and yeah, I don't know.
They seem, they seem sweet. Yeah.
(07:22):
Well, I also wanted to ask you about this.
So at the time that you and I met, you were working for the
Claire Fisher Foundation or Association or something, right.
It's like the estate. The estate?
Yeah. Yeah.
So what was that job or now are you still doing it?
I am not doing that anymore. So it was a multiple part job.
(07:44):
It was kind of whatever title I wanted to give myself, according
to Brent. He was like, just if you want a
nicer title than assistant, likeyou can make it up, I don't
care. I'm like, OK, it's nice to have
a little bit of freedom. He was, he was like, try
communications director. I'm like, OK, whatever.
OK. I it was, you know, I worked for
(08:05):
them remotely in when I lived inToledo, OH.
Actually, I got the job when I lived in Denver and when I moved
back to Toledo, I continued the job because it was all remote.
It was a lot of at first creating like the social media
accounts that didn't really exist for Claire Fisher and then
(08:28):
Brent, his son who runs that whole enterprise, essentially
working with his accounts. So it was like, you know, just
kind of this stuff that a busy musician is like, I need someone
else to do this because I'm arranging with Questlove or
something. And it's like fair.
And I was like, nobody in like that had left Denver, was kind
(08:54):
of back at home in the Michigan Toledo area.
And it gave me a chance to do a lot of things like formatting
albums, like for CD's, like in Adobe.
That's like really helpful skillI think for any musician to have
just, you know, it's like Jewel or whatever, the companies, they
have layouts for how things look.
(09:16):
I would do stuff like that. I would do a lot of online
digging for royalties, just likeplaces, just looking at
different places where it's like, it's been uncollected
because like Claire Fisher died shortly after I started working
for them. So I never got to meet him.
(09:36):
But yeah, I mean, when I moved to LA, that was part of the
reason why, because I knew Brentand I was like, maybe I can play
in the big band. Maybe he'll connect me to
people, You know, I don't want to die in Toledo doing nothing,
you know? Yeah, I had a lot of really
great friends there. But it's just such a sad place.
(10:00):
When you say Toledo, wait for Ruth.
Where are you from? I was born in Hawaii.
Oh, my parents lived there for like 7-8 years and they had me
kind of at the end and then theymoved to Florida with me and my
sister. But, and then Michigan is where
we ended up. It's where are my dad's from got
(10:20):
it. So they, he inherited his, his
mom's, the farmhouse, whatever that was passed down.
So it's Toledo, Michigan, it's Ohio.
It is Ohio, but it's right by solike Michigan, I'm trying to
picture in my head because my Toledo is the OH, right, because
(10:42):
Michigan goes that way. It's like Ohio and Michigan.
It's right on the line, right? And there was a war over it.
Dude, I love state blind wars. Well, I don't remember if it was
like the 1800s or something, butyeah, there was the Toledo War
and it was like, I don't know, less than two weeks long.
And Ohio won. I guess back then you could
(11:03):
really shut something down like that pretty quickly.
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, they, they brought their
guns out and fought it out. That'll do it.
So, you know, people are like, stop doing this.
I remember when I was a kid because I grew up like just
north of Chicago, and I rememberlearning in like 4th grade that
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where I lived could have also been Wisconsin if like a war had
played out a little differently.OK.
And then we would have all been from Wisconsin.
I was like, thank God, no, nothing against Wisconsin.
I've actually really come to love Midwest Wisconsin, Ohio,
Michigan, the whole thing. It's it's lovely.
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I like Michigan, except Iowa. Yeah.
Well, I would sub out Nebraska as my as my least favorite of
the Midwestern states. Yeah.
And it's what do we call in Kansas, the band or the state?
I don't know. I mean, I haven't been to
Kansas. That all like me neither.
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You know, Kentucky. I've only driven through it.
Yeah, I've been. I went to Louisville.
Yeah. That's how you have to say it,
though. OK.
I've only been there once, but Iwent for an Elvis convention.
Wow. OK.
Did you dress up well? I wasn't actually in it.
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That's good. It was kind of.
Yeah, it was. I don't know.
I mean, if that makes you happy,it's fine.
Did it make me happy? I don't know.
I don't. I it's hard to say, but it's a
memory. OK Hey, do you want to spin some
questions on a wheel? Sure.
All right, cool. So invisible previous guests of
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the podcast will know that I have 4 wheels full of questions.
They're not really arranged in any kind of specific way.
So I guess considering that picka number between 1:00 and 4:00.
22. OK, so now what you're going to
do is you're going to tap the center of the wheel where it
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says spin. OK, OK.
And then let's see what questionit comes up with.
Put some music in here. Oh my God, there's an ad.
Sorry, this podcast sucks. This brief intermission is
brought to you by Spin, Spin theWheel.
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This past year at Burning Man, there was a whole group of
people in centre camp that theirwhole thing was to say spin the
wheel at people. And then, like, they did, they
have a wheel. Yeah.
They would go up and they would spin the wheel and.
But everyone had to chant spin the wheel.
It's been the wheel. Yeah, physical wheel.
But they would spin it. And there was all kinds of
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things on it. Like, I think the one I got was
like, I had to like, tell a secret that I'd never told
anyone else. I love that.
And I was like, I couldn't thinkof anything things.
So I was unpopular with the crowd.
Well, you got to make something up.
It was too on the spot. Yeah, I don't know.
I get that. Well, I was going to ask you
because you are a burner. Yep.
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I forgot about that four Times Now.
That's a pretty impressive. What do you like about Burning
Man? What keeps you going back?
It's one of the few places that feels like a community.
The the Jazz Cafe, which is likethe Playa Jazz camp or whatever,
is like my home base. And there are a lot of musicians
from LA and San Jose that make up that group.
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And, you know, there's a bunch of non musicians that make the
camp what it is as well. Yeah.
We had four chefs in our camp. Wow, this past time.
And the food was incredible. Yeah, I bet.
And like, I mean, these two Italians that run, like one of
them runs a like a Michelin starrestaurant that's so cool in San
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Jose or, I don't know, it's someexpensive Italian place, but
like, they were making us food and like, I don't know, there.
It was wild. That's cool.
Yeah. I mean, the stories that I've
heard from Burning Man are obviously nuts.
Yeah. But I guess.
Yeah. You got to love it.
It's great. And like, it really is a place
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where people aren't judging you generally like you, you don't
feel like that eye on you of like, like, oh, you don't look
good in that or like, oh, like, why are you doing that?
Oh, half the people are naked. Yeah.
People are however they want to be.
And like, I think the joy in notlike making that a conversation
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point unless if they like it's athing they want to talk about
personally is like, is nice. Sure.
You know, Yeah. It's like relieving.
Yeah. You can get to so many other
things if you just take that element out.
Do you? When you said that the community
is really strong outside of the couple of weeks of Burning Man
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is every year, do you have like,are those connections on going
through the year? Well, so the LA group we're
pretty tight these days, but it's a lot of musicians that you
know as well. Like I know people who are going
to Burning Man guy Guy. Oh yeah, Guy is such a burner.
Yeah, Guy. Well, you I met you've all at
Burning Man really. And guy's the kind of the the
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big connector, I would say. But it's like a bunch of people
throughout the years, like nor used to go and play bass.
I don't know. There's just lots of people that
have made their way out there. So when you go, you're you're
like, you're playing. Yeah, every night. 1:50 Wow.
Sometimes it goes till 4. Doesn't matter.
No rules. So no rules.
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And it's packed. The tent that we build is like,
yeah, completely packed every night because you're doing what
you're doing there. Do you have like accommodations
that are how would I put this? Is it a step above most other
people's experience? Like do you have showers?
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That's my question. Do you have showers?
Well, that's that's like a that you can't it's per camp or per
situation. You may have your own personal,
like, solar shower thing, but like, if your camp doesn't have
a shower, then there's no, thereare other like camps that offer
like, like you, there's a car wash camp.
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Basically you go through it, youhave to be naked and like, you
get scrubbed down by someone else.
It's all consensual. So if you're not, I've never
done that. I would not be comfortable with
that. But then don't go.
But many people are and they getscrubbed clean and then
everyone's rinsed off and then there's a dance party after that
sounds great. Yeah.
I think I remember hearing abouta Doctor Bronner.
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Yes. That was maybe a lot.
That's one of the main ones. Yeah.
Are you ready to answer this question?
OK. OK.
It's a doozy. Oh, no.
OK. The question is what helps you
when you are struggling? Is there like a lane of struggle
you you would like to focus on? Not necessarily.
OK. Because if it's more in like the
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career or music area, I would say that I've been for probably
the past year and a half, like in a, like a financial struggle.
So I used to shut down like completely and really retreat
when when that was the case cuz like you can't afford to go out
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anywhere. It's really hard not to get peer
pressured into like also purchasing something totally.
And like also you want to, if you're going to be out of
business, you want to support it, especially if your friends
are playing music because it doesn't look good if you don't
buy something. Parking.
Oh yeah. The, the commute, the time it
takes, you know, to get places and the gas it costs to get
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there. Yeah.
I mean, like, I, I've been in that situation to where it's, I
don't even know where to start because, yeah, it's just like
it, it feels very hard to do anything when that's like
weighing over you. And it's, you know, generally
like things have just been really up and down.
Like I'll have a really good month and then a really bad
month, which is I probably everymusician artist of any kind can
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like, relate to that because it happens to all of us.
Yeah. But like, I feel like there was
a point where I just felt like like after 2022 that like,
things would only get better. Yeah.
At least like with the how busy I was gigging and stuff.
Yeah. And it just really, it just
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fluctuates. It does.
And it's so hard to see that when you're in it, when you're,
when you're in a busy period andyou're like, well, obviously
it'll be like this forever. And, you know, you start buying
the blue algae juice or, you know, whatever, maybe get an
Aviator Nation hoodie or something because you're like,
obviously I'm one of the rich people now.
And then it slows down and you're like, well, I can't
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believe it. I'm back to counting however
many apples I'm about to buy because, you know, you're like,
oh, I should have saved that money.
Yeah, it's it is. It is such a real challenge.
And, you know, to go back to what you were saying about like,
oh, we're in the studio now. Whatever.
I was like, because the reality is when I did start doing the
show, this, the concept for doing this show started at a
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point where things were really busy and I'd been wanting to do
it for like a year. And I just never had time to sit
down and do it. And then things slowed down to
the point where I was like, I finally have the chance to
actually execute this idea of talking to people because I want
to. But of course, that coincided
with a drought, you know? And it was just like, I don't
have a single cent to spend on any of this.
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But it kind of made me double back and go like, but I also
don't have to like I have a phone and I was gifted these
little Bluetooth clip on mics and that's literally all I need.
I'll go to people, I'll go to where they are and like, we'll
sit down and I'm going to teach myself like what it is to kind
of do a show and just have people talk to me because this
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is all I need right now. And then and I learned a lot
from doing it that way. And then I was just kind of
looking critically at what I could do to elevate the show it
if at all possible. And I wanted to try and do stuff
like this. And like right now I can, I
mean, who knows, I might be backto doing it in people's
backyards again, you know, but Iget it.
And it can feel what's the word?I mean, it can feel like it's
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just like this weight on your chest when you don't have any
mobility because like, I don't know if this ever happened to
you or anyone in this room. Like my bank account has gone in
the negatives, you know, and I kind of, and I'm not, this is
not financial advice. This is spiritual and holistic
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advice. When you go into debt like that
or you don't, you literally can't spend money that you don't
have. You still wake up in the
morning, you know, like the world still spins.
Like, yeah, it's stressful as fuck.
Like there's, there's no denyingthat.
But I think that like, you know,removing the thought of like,
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well, I'm not going to go to jail for this, you know, like
I'm not going to I, I don't know, like you, you still have a
certain amount of mobility just in the sense of like, if you
talk to someone about what's going on, it's like, you know,
maybe I can push back my rent for a few weeks or however long
it has to be. It's just like, I'll still, I'll
be OK. Like it's not like you, you die
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like in a video game, like it's or something.
I don't know, I and I kind of had to like get OK with the fact
that like it wasn't always goingto be OK, but that doesn't mean
that I'm not OK. Like if I can just push through
this and like whatever I got to do, you know, maybe start
singing songs outside of the Erawan or something, I don't
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know. So I'm saying that because that
was sort of like the first time I ever had to struggle with
something like that. And then kind of like just
getting to a place emotionally where I was like, I can't let
this, I can't let this be the reason why I don't continue to
try to achieve, you know, because it's not, it's not real.
It's just a number on a screen. You know, I'm still alive.
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So I guess my question to you would be like, if that's what's
going on right now, I'm not suggesting that you have a
negative balance in your account, but like if that, you
know, you, you having brought itup, it's like, is there any kind
of a tactic or anything that you've utilized to kind of get
through a challenging period like that?
There's definitely been a lot oftalking about it, like with, you
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know, with my partner, with Adam, having someone who can
support you, like, like mentally, like just just sit
emotionally. Just to like sit there and
listen to you and also like helpyou give yourself guidelines is
like, it's like I can do so manythings for other people.
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But when it comes to figuring out like how do I dig myself out
of this hole of like continuallylike having some good months and
then a lot of bad months work wise and trying to figure out
like I've been in LA for eight years.
You know, it's like we, you know, it's like the we could
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downsize, but then we'd be out astudio and that's part of like
we both record for a living. And that's like Adam's daily
work studio. And, you know, like the space is
really comfortable in it. And like for, you know, Adam's
mental health, like it's also important to have like structure
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and not like change happening all the time.
And this space is like part of like the structure.
Totally. I spent, it's just like I spent
my first probably like what, till 2022, beginning of 2022, I
slept on a couch. Yeah, this whole time, like, you
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know, there's like a 30 year oldperson sleeping on a couch in LA
because I was like, I don't wantto get a job at Starbucks
totally or something, you know? Yeah.
And like that was the sacrifice I made for many years.
And it was really hard not having privacy.
And there just came a point where I really needed to invest
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in that. But people when you're trying to
rent a place or whatever and youlike, you don't have a pay stub
or whatever, they ask for four times the deposit upfront, for
example. And then like they withhold a
whole month's, you know, they, they take from that and there's
no recourse to getting it back totally, You know, that sort of
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thing. Yeah, yeah, it can be ruthless,
you know, but it demonstrates your commitment to this thing
because like you said, like you could get the job at Starbucks
or any other job, really. Yeah.
I mean, I have been job hunting a lot because like, I want to
like I'm going to be a musician till I am dead.
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That's just my calling in life. But for a little bit I need, I
need to figure out something else that will give me stability
to kind of meet certain financial goals.
That careful though that money as in a basic, basic.
(26:37):
I know I've like super basic financial goals, just getting
out of debt, like being able to like pay, you know, like pay
rent in full for the for like forever or whatever.
You know, it's just like different things.
It's like I need to get my trumpet cleaned.
I would love to get a new flugelhorn.
It's like I can't do any of thattill I get like a solid ground
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of like, you know, constant workfor a while.
You know, it's like, I want to dedicate like a couple years to
just constant full time work. Yeah.
And I would imagine that it likeyou'll just feel better about
it. Everything, you know, when
that's the case. No, I, I, I feel you.
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You know, I, because I, you know, I'm a doctor of music, I
have toyed with the idea of whatI'm going to do with that
doctorate. Like there's a pretty clear lane
for people with my degree, whichis to go and teach.
But my, my thought process is this, for those kinds of
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teaching jobs, it doesn't reallymake sense to stay in LA because
for the most part, an adjunct college faculty teaching job
doesn't pay enough to make it worth it.
So then in like, well, then whatwould be the point of that?
If I'm going to do it, I should just commit to it and like go
somewhere where I can get, you know, a higher paying salary.
And just like I'll be a, I'll bea professor, which isn't like,
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it's not like I wouldn't want todo that, but there's just a lot
of other stuff that I do want todo.
And, you know, not to mention the fact that college jazz
departments are drying up fasterthan I don't know what the
Burning Man doesn't. I think the place where I got my
master's degree, I don't think they offer it anymore.
It's so funny. I was speaking to somebody else
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who has a podcast on the East Coast, and he's interviewing
musicians on the East Coast. It was kind of ironic, but he
was saying that his school, theyjust shut down their jazz
department. Wow.
Yeah. Well, they're going to continue
to only hire dinosaurs with, like, no clue how to interact
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with humans. There's that, you know, I mean,
we don't need to start getting into the nitty gritty of, you
know, music education and, and the issues there unless you want
to. Where did you go?
My master's degree was at University of Toledo, UT.
Yeah, it was free, so that's whyI did it.
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Free is good. And that's.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like, I can't say no to like, I love learning stuff.
Yeah. I love learning new skills, like
I've learned, like I've been learning how to produce, like my
partner's been teaching me and Ijust explore my own.
YouTube is a great teacher. Obviously.
YouTube is definitely a great teacher.
Yeah. Yeah.
YouTube University I've like, even thought about like it would
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be fun to go to a trade school and learn how to work on cars.
Yeah. Actually, so funny enough, my
sister is doing that where she'sstudying metalworking, but and
she's doing it at a Community College, but they're shutting
that program down. Oh, wait.
OK, you want to answer another question?
Sure. Do you want to do this same
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wheel or do you want to pick another wheel?
Too many options, Too many options.
All right, spin on this wheel. The wheel has options.
The wheel. OK, so I think that this wheel
has some more dense questions. Heavier.
Questions. Heavier questions.
What's the fun wheel? I don't know.
Okay, this is a good one. What is the most beneficial tool
(30:17):
that you've adopted for personalgrowth?
I have a wireless Xbox controller.
That's a tool. Do you have an Xbox or you just
have the controller? Well, so we have like Adam's 360
from when he was growing up, butI just have like a game pass
thing on my computer sometimes and I just play like, yeah, I
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just use my laptop. Wait, so how does that?
Because I I just don't really know that much about games.
You use the controller with yourlaptop?
Yeah, just like pairs via Bluetooth.
And they have cloud streaming like online gaming.
Streaming sounds fun. Should I start video gaming?
I can't see it. I mean, it just depends.
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Like if you're not into it, justdon't get into it because like,
I, I haven't played video games at all this year.
Yeah. Because like when I was playing
Skyrim for a while, I just got sucked in.
I would play like sometimes six hours straight.
Yeah. And it just wasn't good.
It's like, yeah, no, I know I, the few times in my life that I
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have played video games, like. And I'm such an addictive
personality to begin with that like, yeah, I completely just
took over my whole life. And it usually coincided with
challenging times in some capacity.
Like, there was the month that Iinitially moved to New York
City, which was such a culture shock.
And like, I had never, as an adult, lived outside of Chicago.
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And then, like, all of a sudden,I'm in New York and I'm like,
World of Warcraft, give you a free month, I guess.
Let me just see. And, like, I barely left the
apartment for that month, you know, and I went to my classes
because I was going to school and I would go home and I didn't
want to meet new friends. It was terrifying.
(32:05):
Yeah. Well, you've got all those
friends in Wow. Sure do.
Yeah. Yeah.
You could be whoever you want. Yeah, it was.
I was a cat. Were you in Skyrim?
Yeah. Oh, in sky.
I was like, hang on A. Cat I remember.
That I remember killing a lot oflike little forest beasts or
something forest beasts. OK, I've never played well, it's
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been a while. I want to get back like when I
am playing video games, I want it to be for fun because like
I'm rewarding myself because like a maybe I submitted
applications, I did some interviews that went well.
Like that would be like I could reward myself with like couple
hours of video game time for that, you know, So I'm, I'm kind
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of, that's how I'm moving forward.
Well, people get, I don't know if that's personal growth, but
no, but I think that it's like, I mean, I think that there's a
time and a place for it. And I do believe that like
playing a video game is a healthier option than like doing
heroin. So I get like in the and the
reason I said I know people who also do heroin.
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So if they were like, I need to do something else, I might say
to them like, hey, have you evertried video games, you know, or,
or anything else, I don't know, for example.
And I, you know, I recognize that those are extremes.
But yeah, I like baking. Baking.
That's very cool. I'm gluten free and happened for
like 10-12 years now. Yeah.
(33:32):
So like, I've been doing a lot of like, oh, there's, there's
like they make flour now that you can like make your own pasta
and stuff. And like, they do roll it, man.
Rolling some dough out, like, yeah, you know, working it into
the lump and then rolling it outlike you're working through some
energy. Like if you're trying to get
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energy out in your body, that doesn't feel so good.
Like, at least for me, baking has been really like relieving.
Yeah. And like, I'll just put a
podcast on and it'll, it's like me and Ezra Klein just rolling
the dough out. I'm with you.
My sister, who's getting a lot of shout outs this episode is
also gluten free and has a lot of recipes that I'll send you.
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We were all in Chicago a couple of weeks ago.
It was my dad's birthday and we had the we had gluten free
pasta, which frankly, I wasn't ahuge fan of, but she did make
these cookies and I think it wasalmond flour.
OK. And like the recipes, she had a
couple of different things, but the cookies in particular were
like, they were awesome. OK, I'll get it and I'll and
(34:36):
I'll send it over so you can test it out here.
Yeah. You know, if you're, if you're
interested in that sort of thing, of course.
Yeah. Yeah, it was good.
We were like melting chocolate and the thing and dipping and,
yeah, real nice. That sounds good.
Yeah. I like doing stuff like that
too. I don't know that I don't really
have a lot of hobbies like that that are sort of like all, you
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know, fully immersive baking video games.
Like when I'm not working, I kind of I don't, I don't know.
You do variations of working out.
That's true. That's like immersive.
It is. It's it's very.
Immersive. I know.
OK, So I do, yeah. And it's true.
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I mean, and the reason why I gravitate towards those things
is, is for that reason. Like it takes you out of
yourself, you know, it takes me out of myself, I guess so, Yeah.
All right. No, I take it back here.
Let's do a different wheel. Are you a doom scroller?
Like people that, like scroll onInstagram and stuff?
Yeah, No, Wow. I don't like that.
(35:38):
I don't like anything I see on there.
Yeah, like, but I liked I scrollon TikTok and I get fork mini
forklift ads. I get the weirdest ass on sticks
on. But the reason I want I know me
too, but it's like I don't need it.
Well, no, because I get that waytoo.
Where like I hit a wall, especially like a social wall
where I'll be just like, I'm done, you know?
(35:59):
And sometimes they never even had it to begin with.
Like I search my friends and look and see what they're up to
because it doesn't show me people I want to see.
The algorithm change. Yeah, you.
Know I also can like seek refugein front of the TV and just like
let a Family Guy season just like wash over me yeah, but I
but that isn't nearly as like destructive to my mental health.
(36:21):
I think as like 5 hours can go by like just video after video
on like, honestly, Instagram is probably the worst but like,
yeah, these apps that have like little short video platforms
built into them. It's just like 1 after another
after another, you know, and I say 5 hours because it was maybe
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like a month ago I clocked that I had spent five hours.
And it's just like this, this isthis is really bad.
This, you know, the social mediawas recently someone was calling
it like basically like the cigarette of our generation.
Yeah, and like thinking about like social media in that way,
(37:05):
because it is addictive. It is.
It's been tailored to be addictive in a way that like
with a cigarette or something, you can see, you could open it
up and see the ingredients with any of this stuff, the
algorithms, you can't see any ofthat.
No, you definitely can't. And all this stuff, that faith,
like, I don't know if you know about the, the book, about the
Facebook whistleblower. Oh, yeah.
(37:26):
Careless people or whatever. I no, not actually I don't she
like has a lot of higher up Intel on like what the like
Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg and stuff were up to and like he
was just like they. Know.
They they're, so they're not here to help people.
(37:47):
They're there to make money and to crack the China, the China
market. Yeah, I actually had heard some
stuff like that, but then I saw the movie and I just thought he
was so charming. What movie?
Well, the movie was from a long time ago.
It at that point he might have been a little more charming.
(38:08):
Little Jesse Eisenberg. Yeah.
You know, and we give these people so much of our
information, but we we should beaware of what they're doing.
Yeah. It's like, yeah.
The fact that they, like, won't allow her to go on talk shows or
podcast to talk about her book because she signed an NDA at
some point in her employment. That's interesting.
(38:29):
And yeah, yeah, they're trying to get the book banned.
They're trying all kinds of things, but it keeps selling
out. So what's the name of that book
again? Careless people.
Careless, careless people. Yeah.
Because if it's getting banned, it's getting shadow banned.
I want. Let's let the people know.
Yeah. It is now sponsored by Mark
(38:50):
Zuckerberg, hiding his secrets, selling us, selling all our
information to China. And answer one more question,
and then this is from a different wheel.
Yeah. OK.
This question is, what's the first meal of your day?
Coffee that counts. OK.
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What's the first food? Do you not really eat in the
morning? Well, if I'm awake in the
morning, sometimes it's I'll make, I make kale, a lot of
kale. Really.
It's like I'll make myself like like gluten free, like grilled
cheese and a bunch of kale. And that's usually like my
(39:34):
breakfast lunch. Eat the kale raw or do you like
put it in the oven? That was my question.
Yeah, I saute it the oven, it gets too crispy and then all the
IT just gets in your teeth everywhere and takes forever to
floss out. So yeah, I don't I can't eat
first thing in the morning. I do drink a lot of water with I
(39:56):
like my only supplements that I take are essential amino acids
and creatine and I take those and then I also drink a Celsius
which I know. Wow only.
OK, but that's it. And they're very effective.
I'm pretty locked in like where the first food that I usually
(40:16):
will have is the same every day,which is like a banana and some
nuts. And then sometimes it'll be
eggs. But guys, price of eggs these
days. I get so nauseous with like
smelling eggs. Really.
You're not an egg person. I sometimes I try and I bake
with eggs, of course, but like, that's different.
I don't know. I think it's like my dad had
(40:38):
chickens for a while when we were growing up and he made eggs
every morning and I don't, there's some kind of, I just, I
get so nauseous from it sometimes and I like, I like
eggs, like I like omelets, but like, I sound like you, didn't
I? Well, I rarely eat them anymore,
but but I, I've spent a lot of my life eating omelets.
(40:59):
So yeah, it's just strange. I don't know.
Yeah. I've also been just kind of
switching things up because my diet has been like pretty
consistent for the last like 3 years and I just sometimes you
want to fucking switch it up a little bit, you know, yeah, I
guess like I, my only routine ismaking coffee.
Like I do pour over coffee. Yeah, I grind the beans, I boil
(41:22):
the water. I do the, you know, yeah, the
swirl. I, I like doing it.
I used to do that, but then I started drinking Celsius,
sponsored by Celsius. This one is Yeah.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm an addict.What can I say?
I love the caffeine. Is that like 1000% caffeine?
(41:43):
What are what are they putting in those things?
They're putting in 1000% of the caffeine.
Yeah. Like, no, it's a bull or
something. A bull.
It's 200 milligrams of caffeine.There might be some bull parts.
We don't know. I don't know.
I I don't know. Taurine.
Maybe taurine? Taurine.
Taurine. How do you say that?
L Thionine that might be in it. What about yerba matte?
(42:06):
What about it? OK, why don't you know what?
I don't like it. I don't like it.
No, not not like the the real stuff.
The the yellow can. I don't like that either.
The yellow can well, it is yerbamatte, but it's like it's
flavored sweet. It's sweet.
Yeah, it's not. Sugar.
Yeah, I've never, I don't like sugary beverages, which is
ironic because I love sugary stuff in general.
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But like a like a Coke heavy versus like a Coke 0.
I'll always go for the What's a Coke heaven.
With sugar in the regular Coke. Just.
Like any regular like like sugared soda, I always prefer
the the diet or the 0 varietal because because they quench me.
(42:52):
Do you know that the Coke 0, it's just a marketing tactic.
It's tell tell me the zero in the diet you could get.
They're the same. No, they taste different, sure,
but it's it's not like I think maybe they use a different kind
of sweetener, but it's yeah, they use a different kind of
sweetener. I know what it is and I'm fine
with it. OK, That's that's fine.
(43:14):
But, you know, it really does more.
It has more to do with the the way it's just like feels.
Yeah. Speaking of Bev's should we do
this thing? We're going to try a new
segment, OK? This is a segment.
I don't have a name for it yet and I am pretty much stealing
this from another podcast that Ireally like.
But we, our producers are are going to provide a drink for us.
(43:35):
I don't know what it is, You don't know what it is.
And the game is we're going to try to guess what it is, OK,
lapping it up, a beverage segment, beverage segment,
trying it out, beverage segment,what's it going to be about?
We're going to take a sip and then don't spit it out.
(44:04):
Exactly 234. OK.
All right, so this is a drink that our producer, V has
provided for us, and we're goingto try it, and we're going to
guess what it is. So can we smell it?
All of your senses can be involved except for sight,
apparently. Coconut water.
(44:31):
Oh, oh, my God. What is that?
OK, so it is carbonated. Are the beverages mixed at all
with other things? OK, They're all so like, that
would be very deceptive. I'm by myself.
It's not sweet. God, what is this?
(44:54):
It has some coconut thing going on in it, but it's carbonated.
It has some kind of like I'm dragon fruit, papaya.
I don't know, you kind of unlocked something for me when
you just had coconut. I just, I don't know any
carbonated coconut beverages. So I think I do.
(45:15):
Unless if they make hair in there too.
Yeah, there's some kind of off fruit like hipster fruit in it
or something. Hipster fruit.
It's not what's, what's the wordviscous.
Yeah, I know the viscosity is light.
It's definitely not sweetened. It's it doesn't have any.
It's like, yeah, like a light carbonated, yeah, like a Perrier
(45:38):
or something, something like that.
But what is that flavour? It's not like a diet soda.
It's some kind of like dragon fruit yuzu.
It's like some some kind of likeI feel like I've had an Ollipop
that kind of tastes like this. I like the Ollipop as a brand
guest, but it's there's Poppy. Poppy.
(45:59):
That's of new brand. Oh.
Yeah, yeah. Well, it's probably not that.
If you're like, Oh yeah, I don'tknow.
Flavor wise I'm going with coconut and dragon fruit.
OK. Or something.
Coconut and dragon fruit something.
My guess was la qua coconut flavored.
(46:21):
Overall, out of all of the things she had said, she's
definitely the closest. Really.
Yeah, when she was mentioning like the poppy thing, the yuzu,
it's lychee flavor. Lychee, that's Lychee.
Well, there was number way I wasever going to get that and Ruth
definitely gets the point. Congratulations on being the
very first winner of this as of yet, unbranded segment that we
(46:43):
are stealing, but we are taking for ourselves.
All right, well, this is awesome.
Thanks for coming on and talking.
Yeah. Thanks for feeling me.
Yeah. Good.
Chill. All right, good.
Oh, there's one more thing that we have to do.
OK. Our sign off is you have to say
I put my pants on one leg at a time.
All right? Yeah.
(47:05):
You know, like the it's like your version of the Beyoncé.
Like if you jump it, if you don't jump in your these jeans,
like, you know, I put my pants on one leg at a time.
Wow, Ruth, amazing. Thank you so much.
Thanks for shooting again. And we will be back next week.
(47:44):
One leg top. One leg top.
You put your pants on one leg.
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