#37: Clark H. Fielding - Excellence in Your Career, Challenges of Being an Employer, and Having Values that Ground You - One Thousand Gurus Podcast

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J.R. (00:00):
Hello everyone, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, all
of my lovely listeners out there, Welcome to another fun episode
of 1000 Gurus with me, yourhost, jr Yonacruz.
So today's guest is Clark HFielding.
Clark Fielding is a passionatepersonal injury attorney and the
founding attorney of FieldingLaw.
Known for his genuine care andunwavering dedication, clark
puts his clients first.
Always he built Fielding Law onthe belief that every injured

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person deserves to be heard,supported and fiercely
represented.
Known affectionately as Clarkthe Shark, he blends sharp legal
skills with a big heart, makingsure each client feels seen,
valued and protected every stepof the way.
So this recording was anotherblast from the past for me, as
Clark was one of the earlymentor figures I had in my
career, since we worked at thesame law firm, and I learned so

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much from his example that Iimplement in my life today.
What I admire and respect aboutClark is not only his success
and ability to balance hispriorities of being a family man
, but also his high level ofwork, ethic and integrity.
We talk a lot about hisupbringing and main influences.
Some hobbies he has being aparent he's actually one of the
few parents on my show what it'slike going out on his own and

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building his own law firm foralmost six years, and also
there's a lot of practical andtactical career advice for
people in the workforce.
Today, clark dropped so manynuggets of wisdom that you'll
definitely miss a lot of them ifyou don't listen carefully.
So be sure to rewind it andre-listen to this episode as
needed, because I even foundmyself taking a ton of notes on
this one.
So, without further ado, hopeyou enjoy this episode with

(01:27):
Clark Fielding.
Hello everyone and welcome backto 1000 Gurus.
Please welcome my guest, clarkFielding.
Thank you, marlon.
Thanks for being here, clark, Ireally appreciate it.
Thanks for taking the time outMemorial Day weekend to spend
with us and to share yourknowledge.
Happy to be here, yeah, so letme go into how I know you.

(01:48):
So, oh, yeah, disclaimer.
So most of my guests know me asJR, as friends do, but I worked
with Clark.
He's an old coworker of mineand so he knows me as Marlo.
So if you ever hear someonerefer to me as Marlo, I probably
worked with them before.
So just disclaimer, don't getconfused.
If he says Marlo, I go by both.
So, anyway, so let me go intohow I know you.
So we met.
I want to say like 10 yearsago-ish around eight or nine

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maybe we both worked at BergenWojcicki's law firm.
You were one of the seniorattorneys when I started there.
I started out in liens andnegotiations and eventually
moved to accounting and you wereone of the first attorneys that
I worked with directly and tome I don't know if I've ever
told you this before, but you'rekind of like a mentor figure to
me because I remember to thisday a lot of the things that I
took from you.
Working with you as a liensnegotiator, I took into my

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career meaning how I work, thestandards that I do.
So some things that I wrotedown was like being meticulous
with the details, stayingorganized.
We had huge workloads,especially yourself, people
skills, managing up and down,striving to be the best.
I knew that that was one thingthat you held yourself to and I
think that level of leadershipcarries across the board and

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gratitude, keeping track of thewell-being of your organization
and taking care of and lookingout for others.
One of the big things that Ilearned from you specifically
was you were a big proponent oftracking the value that you add
to the company, because if youwere to go into asking for a
raise or promotion.
You can't just be like, hey, Idemand my raise now, after a

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year or whatever.
But you were really good atkeeping track of the things that
you did and I always did thatas well moving forward so that
when I go into those things,that I know what I'm doing and
keeping myself accountable andnot just entitlements, walking
in and saying, hey, I deserve araise, or because this is
actually what I'm doing, this iswhat I'm expected to do, but
this is what I'm doing on top ofthat.
So just wanted to give you yourflowers.

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You're a big influence on me,so I really appreciate you being
here.

Clark (03:42):
Thank you.
You're too kind, marlo, and Iwill say so.
At my law firm we call it caseresolution and you truly were
one of the greatest at liens atcase resolution.
It was really fantastic workingwith you, likewise super into
the details and, as you said,it's about the value that you

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bring to the table, not aboutyour personal needs, but the
value you bring to anorganization.
Yeah, I love that Cool.

J.R. (04:12):
Thank you for that.
And so let's go into the warmupquestions.
Grease the wheels to make thisa little bit more fun.
I know there's a lot of thingswe can talk about with being an
attorney and personal injury anda lot of other things we'll get
into, but I wanted to ask aboutyour.
It was a church mission rightTo Brazil.
Was it Rio?
Exactly Rio?
Yeah, for two years.

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And you said you were like inyour late teens, early twenties,
yeah, so could you walk usthrough that, like what that
experience was like and how hasit informed you to like where
you are today?
Maybe?

Clark (04:42):
Yeah, it's a really great intro.
So during my formative years,when I was 19 to 21, so I'd
finished my freshman year ofcollege I was going to Brigham
Young University and I got acall to serve a mission for my
church, Church of Jesus Christof Latter-day Saints, and so for
two years I went down to Brazil.
I was in Rio de Janeiro and itwas a really big challenge.

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I hadn't studied Portuguesebefore.
I'd studied some Spanishgrowing up in Arizona and you
get about two months of languageinstruction and then you're out
on the streets.
It's an adventure down there inBrazil and you have to be very
outgoing because you have tomeet people and you have to

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build relationships of trust andyou're looking for ways to
serve people.
So it it teaches you a lotabout taking the initiative and
it's really learning how tofigure something out and then
thrive.

J.R. (05:40):
I like it.
So what is your level ofPortuguese now?
It's still conversational, orlike.
What is the degree of that?

Clark (05:47):
I follow Portuguese.
Oh yeah, so I've.
I have kept up with it, so Itry to study it, I try to speak
it.
We have clients who speakPortuguese.
I have friends who speakPortuguese, so I work really
hard to immerse myself in it sothat I don't lose the language.

J.R. (06:04):
And your son.
Your third child is named Riotoo.
Is that a coincidence or?

Clark (06:09):
Because of my mission down in Brazil and my love for
that experience, my love for Rio, we named my third child Rio.

J.R. (06:18):
That's awesome.
Any other clarifications oranything you want to add into
what you're up to nowadaysbefore we jump in?

Clark (06:25):
Yeah, so it's been a wild ride since we worked together.
So I founded Fielding Law hunga shingle in 2019.
And then, since we workedtogether, so I had my daughter
Violet, and when we weretogether, and then I had my
daughter Dahlia, and then my sonRio, who we talked about, and
so I've had the law firm andthen, as we opened California, I

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also opened an office inArizona.
So just really been working onbettering myself as an attorney
and then also bettering myselfas an employer and a business
owner during that time.

J.R. (07:00):
Yeah, and so we'll get into a lot of that and so
there's a lot of good nuggets wecan get into.
So it'll be a good conversationand, like I mentioned in our
pre-recording, we probably won'tget to half these questions,
but if it's in the cards,perhaps part two, but we'll see.
I know you're a busy guy, allright, so let's go into first
topic, which is basically yourorigin story or maybe main
influences.

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So where did you grow up?
What were your biggestinspirations and influences?

Clark (07:25):
So I was born in Salt Lake City, utah.
I was about two years old myparents moved to Arizona.
Dad was getting intoprofessionally, getting into
commercial real estate, which hestill does today very
successfully.
So I was raised in Mesa,arizona, and growing up I was in
Boy Scouts and then with churchyouth programs.

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So I was surrounded by anincredible community, a lot of
great mentors, youth sportscoaches, and so I grew up in
Arizona and then went away tocollege in Provo, utah, at
Brigham Young University, and Ialso did a semester at their.
They have a Hawaii on the Northshore, so I did a semester in

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BYU, hawaii and then my churchmission Brazil that we talked
about, returned to BYU, graduatefrom there and then law school
back home at Arizona StateUniversity.

J.R. (08:23):
So then I guess, through your formative years, maybe high
school or college, what wereyour career aspirations?
And I know you mentioned thephrase sorting hat.
I know it's come up a couple oftimes, but could you elaborate
on that Absolutely.

Clark (08:35):
So I didn't, from a young age, know what I wanted to be.
There's no attorneys in myfamily, it's mainly commercial
real estate business and I wasexposed to a lot of different
things growing up, had a lot ofwonderful people in my community
who did all sorts of differentthings and professions, and

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naturally during school therewere certainly subjects that I
gravitated to.
So in college at one point Iremember I was even considering
a career in medicine.
So I took an anatomy class, hada cadaver lab.
It was one of the mostchallenging courses at my
college and did really well init, and there was a certain
point where I knew I wanted togo to law school for the

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academic pursuit.
I didn't know if I wanted to bea practicing attorney.
I just continued down thatrabbit hole and here I am today
with a sorting hat.
So my daughter, my oldest child,violet, years ago we started
reading Harry Potter togetherand we have a couple books left.
We've read through quite a few,and so the analogy is with the

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practice of law.
You don't necessarily choosethe practice of law, the area of
specialty, it picks you, andthat's some of the advice that I
give, and so I never intendedto end up as a plaintiff
personal injury attorney Iactually was taking.
My undergraduate degree wasbusiness management with an
emphasis in finance and a lot ofthe courses I took in law

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school federal income taxation,business associations I was
taking courses to becomebusiness transactional attorney
and a high net worth estateplanning attorney.
And here I am.
I fell into a plane of personalinjury and I've just loved it.
I've really looked back.
So similar to Harry Potter.
You put on the sorting hat.

(10:23):
It says what house you're goingto go into Hufflepuff
Gryffindor.
I feel that I was chosen by mypractice area.

J.R. (10:30):
Quick tangent.
Do you know what your HarryPotter house is?
Have you taken one of thosequizzes before?
I have not.
What do you think you would beif you had to choose?

Clark (10:39):
Man.

J.R. (10:40):
Have you read all the books?

Clark (10:45):
I've got a couple left.

J.R. (10:46):
Violet and I have a couple , so you have an idea of what
the house characteristics are Ifyou had to self-sort yourself.

Clark (10:50):
Well, it depends.
Oh, if I had to self-sortothers would probably say some
people would say Slytherin, somewould say Gryffindor, probably
Gryffindor, oh, okay.

J.R. (11:00):
I think either of those two fits.
Yeah, I think either of thosetwo fits.
Yeah.
No, I think that makes sense.
I think I'm a Slytherin whenI've taken it and it's the whole
ambitious resourcefulness sortof thing.
Obviously, they're painted asthe bad guys, but there's no bad
in personalities, it's justanyways, going back to it, I
guess, for someone who's lookingforward in their career so
let's say they're in high schoolor college and you said it

(11:21):
chose you and you were open tothese things what considerations
do you think people should lookinto or how should they
approach it if they're in asimilar space of okay, I don't
really know what I'm supposed todo.
I'm not that person who's like,yeah, when I was six, I knew I
was going to be a doctor or anengineer, right, but keeping an
open mind, what do you thinkpeople should?

Clark (11:41):
consider as they're going through their journey, figuring
out what they should do.
I think you should stay curious.
I know early on in my career,when I was having a professional
crisis, I ended up going anddoing aptitude testing Johnson
O'Connor, I believe, is the nameof the institution.
So they put you through a gamutof tests, all kinds of
different things, to see if youwould be best as a butcher,

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baker, candlestick maker, and itwas good.
It was a confirmation.
The subjects I'd study in school, my undergraduate degree, my
law degree, what I was doingprofessionally.
It lined up with my aptitudesand it'll also tell you your
hobbies, and so if you haveaccess to something like that,
it's good to understand yourselfbetter through aptitude testing

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.
But certainly trying your handat things, I think, things that
come naturally.
I enjoyed history in school,growing up, different subjects
like that, and so what do yougravitate to when you're
studying in high school orcollege?
What are the subjects that younormally do first and then the
other ones that you hold off on?

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Those are the homeworkassignments that you do last,
that you really should do first.
You could get a sense for whatcomes naturally.
So just reading the signs ofyour own personality, what
you're gravitating towards, andbeing more aware of those things
, Absolutely and then tryingbecause you may study it in
school and really like it, butin the real world that may not
be the case, and oftentimes it'sthe opportunities that you have

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in the working world and alsowho you get to work with.
Right, the, you referenced thelaw firm that we worked at
together.
I was there almost nine yearsand the reason one of the main
reasons I kept coming back is alot of the people who I worked
with and I enjoyed.
I didn't necessarily hang outwith our co-workers outside of

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work, but I enjoyed the peoplewho we worked with Definitely,
and that's a big part of aworking environment, right?

J.R. (13:37):
They say people stay because of the people,
regardless of other things too.
One of the things I wanted toask was along your career
journey.
I know you're further along nowand you have your own firm, but
are there any pieces of advicethat stand out to you that you
learned from mentors, professorsor any people that shaped your
career from the front end of?
It when you were just goinginto it not necessarily directly

(14:07):
on point.

Clark (14:08):
So Steve Jobs gives a Stanford commencement address,
so he talked.
He has a quote how you can'tconnect the dots looking forward
.
You could only do that lookingbackward.
And so, as I mentioned when Iwas thinking about momentarily
maybe being an anesthesiologist,that anatomy cadaver class is a
plaintiff personal injuryattorney.
It's about injuries andmedicine.
So connecting that dot.
That's been so helpful in mycareer and so I definitely

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sought out advice from people asI was going along the academic
journey and the professionaljourney and I was blessed with a
lot of good mentors.
So, to sum it up, during lawschool I did two externships
with the state court judge judgeRyan, federal judge judge

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Teelborg, and then duringcollege I was able to go to
Washington DC and intern forCongressman Jeff Flake, so
really had access to some reallysmart, high character people,
positions of power, who werereally good honorable men.
That was a really big influence.
I guess.

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More osmosis, not necessarilydirect advice, but to be in
their presence and see how theynavigate, how they went about
comporting themselves see howthey navigate, how they went
about comporting themselves.

J.R. (15:26):
That makes a lot of sense.
It's the environment, caninform a lot of how you carry
yourself and that influences youlater on.
I don't know if I've mentionedthis on the podcast, but after I
graduated I did have a stint inDC for about a summer.
I did a UCDC program and I didintern at the department of
transportation and withattorneys, and that was right
before I came toBergen-Werjawski.
But I would echo that sentiment.

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The attorneys that I wassurrounded with had a lot of
integrity and character and itdid put me in a place where I'm
around this elevated standardsof people and I think that
carried a lot as well.
So, to your point, being aroundthose people, I think, really
inform you moving forward.

Clark (16:03):
Yeah, one point is misery loves company and you don't
want to get caught in groups ofnegativity or toxicity.
You want to surround yourselfby people who are positive and
they want to be the bestversions of themselves.

J.R. (16:20):
Like that average of your five closest friends, sort of
thing.
All right, Just a little bit ofa switch.
But you are a family man.
You have a great family, yourwife Miranda, your three kids,
Violet, Dolly and Rio that youmentioned.
How does your approach tofamily inform your career and or
work-life balance?

Clark (16:37):
So family keeps the perspective and I've found over
the years things I've achievedacademically or professionally,
different awards.
They lose their luster overtime.
You just realize those things.
They don't really matter and soI'm very lucky and blessed to

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have a wonderful spouse you know, Miranda, and she's phenomenal.
You know, Miranda, and it'sshe's phenomenal and to have our
kids.
So it's very blessed and Ireally do enjoy spending time
with my family and all theactivities that kids are
involved with, all the youthsports.
So it's family helps for me,keep me grounded and help to

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keep my values aligned.

J.R. (17:26):
So not necessarily chasing those accolades that could
distract other people.
You're like, okay, that doesn'tmatter too much, but I enjoy
spending my time with my familyand it grounds me a lot.
One question I want to ask you,because I think you're one of
the few parents that I've had onthe show.
But if you had an idea of thebiggest or most important
lessons you've learned aboutparenthood that you can impart
on the audience?

Clark (17:51):
So an idea of the biggest or most important lessons
you've learned about parenthoodthat you can impart on the
audience.
So I think, going back toself-introspection and finding
your aptitudes and gifts, it'sthe same as a parent with your
child, and so we try to exposethem to different things and see
where their natural aptitudesand talents are and support them
and give them direction.
So we're really the.
What is the analogy?
I think it's the gardener typeanalogy.
We're trying to provide thesupport and help them with their

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endeavors and their individual,I guess, their purpose and
mission in life.
So a lot of love, a lot ofaffirmation.

J.R. (18:25):
What would you say?
Maybe you've already touched it, but what is your parenting
style?
I know there's a milliondifferent ways to parent, right,
but how would youself-categorize or characterize
your parenting style?

Clark (18:35):
I would say.
So major props to my wife,miranda.
She is doing most all thethings and orchestrating
everything and it would blowyour mind that just the calculus
and algorithms on the calendarsfor all their activities and
school events and sportsschedules and getting together

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with friends and all that.
So, man, I would probablysurprise people.
I am not a strictdisciplinarian.
I'm very not hands-off.
I let my kids be my kids.
I'm not cracking the whip.

J.R. (19:15):
So you're the cool dad or you're the chill dad.

Clark (19:17):
I wouldn't say I'm the cool dad.
I think Miranda's the cool mom,I see.
I see, I think Miranda's thecool mom, I think.

J.R. (19:22):
I'm… You're not the disciplinarian.
Is it Miranda's more leans intothat, or Miranda's?

Clark (19:27):
both.
She's the CEO, she's the funparent, and then she can also be
the disciplinarian.
So I try to be, I try to be asupport where I can.
I try to not goof anything up.

J.R. (19:39):
Okay, I'll take your lead, I'll do my best yeah.
I like it, so your lead, I'lldo my best.
Yeah, I like it, so switching alittle bit more.
You have a ton of hobbies thatwe can go into, and maybe it's
in your bio as well, but myquestion is, how do you
incorporate these into your lifeand I guess, maybe what's the
importance of them into you orfor your life?

Clark (19:55):
Well, we had talked about that, you and I, how you have a
love and passion for dancingand how you wouldn't.
I don't think you'd be Marlowithout that.
That's part and parcel of whoyou are and that's a facet of
your life, and so it's importantto to have hobbies and
activities and not be sosingle-minded, because those

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enrich us and I actually shouldbe doing a little bit more of
that.
But I've found over the yearsthere's different things that I
gravitate to and there's somethings that but on my list for a
while that I want to get intoor back into.
So I grew up wrestling, I didjujitsu for a bit and I want to
get back to jujitsu with my son,rio, who just came off his

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first year wrestling reallysuccessful wrestling season, so
he's going to start in a jujitsu.
So there there's things that Ilike to spend more time doing.
I really love training, soworking out with my trainer,
jeff.
I like getting stretched.
I do assisted stretching withCasey.
I like to go sauna.
So I really like the workingout and the recovery things.

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But there's other sports andthings that I'd like to get into
.
I love snowboarding.
It's what was probably one ofmy main passions growing up.

J.R. (21:07):
Yeah, pretty active.
What is your?
So you work with the trainerLike, what's your?
What is your?
When we worked together youwere into CrossFit a bit right.
Yeah, still do that.
Or what is your like workoutthing now?

Clark (21:17):
So actually so my trainer , jeff.
He was the manager of thatCrossFit and I think it's 2017
that CrossFit fire office closeddown, became a different
circuit type training gym, whichis still there.
So I had approached Jeff andwe've been working out ever
since then.

J.R. (21:37):
So you have a focus of how you approach your workouts or
how your trainer approaches it.

Clark (21:42):
What kind of things do you do?
He is very dynamic, verycutting edge.
So, believe it or not, I'msprinting, I'm doing jumping
exercises, so he has me.
He keeps it varied.
He really likes to get out onthe field, and so I'll get out
there barefoot in the sun andget sunlight and grounding all
kinds of different things.

J.R. (22:02):
I mean calisthenics, weights, very functional right.

Clark (22:08):
I'm not going for the beach physique per se.
I want functional.
I want to be able to show upwhatever I'm doing and perform
at a high level.
So, yeah, it's really intenseworkouts, for an hour more, two
days a week, and I'd love tohave more time to get in more
sessions, but so I've found,with my busy career, busy days,

(22:30):
that's a good mix.

J.R. (22:31):
Yeah, like bang for your buck.
Yeah, it covers all the basestoo.
And longevity I think for me,as I get older, it's not so much
about trying to gain mass oraesthetics necessarily, but I
think functionality andlongevity is what I'm trying to
do, like I want to be able tomove well as I get older.
Cool, let's pivot a little bit.
So now this sectionentrepreneurship, opening a
business.
Could you walk us through howFielding Law Firm came to be and

(22:53):
like what was the startingvision and or if it's evolved
over time?

Clark (22:57):
So timing, I think there's a time and a season in
your life for different things,and I had looked at doing my own
law firm pretty seriously tomaybe three times prior, and it
just wasn't the right timing.
I was very content where I wasat and I actually, you know,
maybe it would be there todayand unfortunately the firm where

(23:20):
you're at, the two partners hadsplit up, and so I was at a
crossroads, having to basicallypick one of the partners, one of
the bosses, and so it wasreally a natural time to really
choose and command my destiny,so to speak, and so it was just
years of contemplation.
Talking to my parents, I reallylove reading biographies, so

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I'd read a lot of biographiesSteve Jobs' biography, walt
Disney's biography, phil Knight,the co-founder of Nike, his
biography, bill Marriott, and sothere were different books that
I'd read, all the wild, bumpyrides that these individuals had
to grapple with and endure, andso I knew it was going to be

(24:05):
wild and I was ready for thechallenge, and Miranda was ready
for the challenge as well.
I didn't know how wild it wouldbe.
Until you're in those moments.
You just don't realize thepressure and the stress, but I
wouldn't have it any other wayand it's great.
Some of our team you also workedwith, and so I there are people
who I'd worked with for manyyears.

(24:25):
They trusted me, I trusted them.
They know exactly who Clark isand so it was great.
I had a team around me rightfrom the start and so, yeah, so
it made sense to go for it and Ireally wanted to go big right
out of the gate.
I knew that I could do it.

(24:46):
Going back to my church missionI mean, I spent two years
basically selling faith andreligion and I knew I could get
clients professionally.
That naturally happens.
I knew that I could persuadepeople that we'd be able to
represent them successfully.

J.R. (25:05):
So you knew you had the skill sets.
You had faith in yourself andthe people around you and your
organization.
I guess two-part questions.
What was the vision?
Moving forward?
You said you wanted to go big.
And also what were some ofthose jumping into the deep end
points where you're like, okay,I knew I could do this, but
these challenges maybe I wasn'texpecting, or these were the
biggest challenges that I faced.

Clark (25:24):
Yeah.
So in opening the law firm wewanted to make it a boutique law
firm.
We wanted to make it a boutiquelaw firm.
We wanted to improve upon howwe manage cases and lawyered.
I wanted to get more and deeperexperience, and so we wanted to
do what we were doing reallywell at a high level and do that

(25:46):
even better, be even moreresponsive and more
communicative and tailor thingsfor our clients in their cases.
So one I wouldn't say rudeawakening brow of the gate.
I started to advertise on radioand it was Labor Day and I
remember so our intakedepartment, myself and one other

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guy.
We came in on the holiday andwe're sitting in the office and
really nice building, but theyturn off the air conditioning on
the holidays, so we're there,and it was the first day of our
radio campaign and so we'rethere by the phones.
We gave everybody else on ourlittle team the day off and we
were there and like, okay, hereit goes.
I don't think we got one callthat day.

(26:32):
So I realized, okay, this is,it's going to take some time to
get it going.
So, like anything, I think inlife, things generally take
longer than you think they will.
So you have to plant thoseseeds and realize it's going to
take some time to really be ableto.
You have to sow those seeds,plant them to really reap the
rewards can take many years.

J.R. (26:53):
That's a really good point .
I think in most things in lifethat are worth building and
growing, it does take a longtime, and my personal two cents
on this that saying ofoverestimate what they can do in
a month, a year, butunderestimate the 10 year.
I think that's where thecompound interest, the compound
efforts over time you'll see theresults skyrocket, and so I
like that point.
It's like self-delayedgratification.

(27:14):
Did you have any more?
The next question you might'vealready covered it, but it's
lessons learned along the way asyou're building this firm.
I know it's probably a bigquestion, but anything else come
to mind.

Clark (27:26):
So there's a great book, good to Great.

J.R. (27:31):
Jim.

Clark (27:32):
Collins.
So it has the analogy of thebus and it's not necessarily the
destination, but it's gettingthe right people in those seats
on the bus and getting the wrongpeople off the bus right away.
So I am a very loyal individual.
So I really we had our coregroup, our loyalists and our OGs

(27:53):
who are still part of the firm,and but along the way there's
some people who came on who werenot the right people for those
seats on the bus and we shouldhave gotten those people off
sooner than we did.
So that's basically one thingis one concept is when people
show you who they are, believethem.

(28:13):
So I'm an aspirational guy and Ithink I do see the best in
people and the potential,especially in the seat that I'm
in.
As an employer and a businessowner, I really do want the best
for people and I see thatthey've got this potential.
But day in and day out I'vealso found that some people you
can try to motivate them, pushthem along, but if they don't
have that natural desire to workand to work hard, usually you

(28:38):
can't really with how muchmotivating and cultivating you
do.
So I think we should have beenquicker to get people off the
bus and it's taken years toidentify our people.
We have a wonderfulorganization and so you have to
surround yourself by people ofhigh character, of ethics, who
can get behind your vision, andpeople you could trust.

(28:59):
And so I've been really luckyand blessed with my core group
right, and so Savannah, employeenumber one, we decided to
really start that law firmtogether and we had that core
group.
We had Hannah and Jared and Dre, and then early on, Ryan Cooper
, who's an attorney, came onboard.
So I'm surrounded by people whoare high character, high ethics

(29:26):
.
So I think that's just one ofthe keys is you have to.
What's that phrase?
If you want to go fast, goalone.
If you want to go far, go alone.
If you want to go far, go witha group.

J.R. (29:34):
Yeah, I like it.
I remember when I saw whenyou're starting a firm and then
you took on those people and Iworked with a lot of them, I
remember thinking that choice ofpeople makes a lot of sense
because they were always onSavannah especially, always on
top of everything.
They always dotted their I's,crossed their T's and, similar

(29:56):
to you, work ethic was alwaysthere and knowing that they're
still there and doing good work,I'm like that checks out,
because that was there when Iwas around.
Last question on that is if youcould redo anything or do
something differently startingyour firm.
Is there anything that comes tomind?

Clark (30:09):
Well, I think early on I was.
I'm generally conservative.
I wouldn't say frugal, I'm aconservative guy.
And again, I was going big andI'm a very loyal guy, so I for I
I spent more than I should haveon radio and not a crazy amount

(30:31):
.
But looking back, it really wasMiranda after a while who said,
hey, we're paying everybody butourselves.
So I was always just reallyputting the money out there and
sowing those seeds and I thinkearlier I could have ratcheted
that back and been moreconservative with the finances
and not spending as much forcertain things that weren't that

(30:53):
.
I was analyzing the data and Iwas seeing the rate of returns
and we still do radio.
But there are different thingsthat I saw the right on the wall
, but I should have reallyreined things in sooner than I
did.
Right, it would have just madeit a lot more comfortable
financially earlier on.

J.R. (31:09):
I see, I see I feel like it's always that balance, like
people in your position, whereit's okay, maybe this is a
longer term investment or we canlook at the data and the ROI.
But at what point do you makethat mental calculus of, okay,
this is what we should pull backon or we should put the gas on?
So, yeah, it's a tough thing,but now in retrospect you're
like, okay, maybe that didn'tpan out.

Clark (31:29):
And then two, the other thing when I started out I
thought, okay, I'm going to sayyes to a lot of things and I'm
going to, I'm going to put legson things and see if they go.
So in the early days it was abit of trial and error, and now
I'm trying really hard to notchase this the shiny object, so

(31:49):
to speak, and really stayfocused.

J.R. (31:55):
Chase this, the shiny object, so to speak, and really
stay focused, and so I just ammore selective with what I'm
doing.

Clark (31:58):
In the early days I was spread a little bit thin, trying
to figure things out,experimenting, and now I know
what serves me, and so, forinstance, coming and talking
with you, right, that'ssomething that I was really
excited about.
So I think the other thing is,if it's not a definite yes, it's
probably a no yeah.

J.R. (32:14):
Do you have any other examples of the sparkly, shiny
things?
That might be not what you'rewhittling on down on.

Clark (32:20):
Man, there's just stuff that comes at you all day long
the longer that we're around.
It's coming up on six years ouranniversary in August of the
law firm.

J.R. (32:34):
So there's opportunities to all kinds of things.

Clark (32:35):
Okay, different opportunities that come by and
you're like professionally.

J.R. (32:37):
Sure, let's try this, but you're like, okay, never mind, I
didn't really pan out, or don'twork with different people.

Clark (32:41):
There's a lot of vendors out there.
There's a lot.
I mean there there's alwayssome shiny object in the legal
field, conferences and you haveto.
When I started, there weredifferent conferences and now it
seems like there's a legalevent or conference every night,
every weekend.
So you have to be okay with not.
I guess it's that jomo joy ofmissing out.

(33:03):
So you have to be selectiveabout where you're putting.
I'm going back to the familything.
It's you have to reallyprioritize and be dynamic with
your schedule in terms of whereyour priorities are at any given
moment.
That makes sense, I like that.

J.R. (33:20):
Okay, we had a ton more questions in there, but we
should move on.
We will save it for next time.
So the next topic is being agreat employee advancing your
career and self-improvement tipsor advice.
So you sent me this list, whichis great.
It tips for a successful careeras an employee and I'll just
really I'll just read it outreal quick and you can elaborate
if you'd like.
Positive attitude, gratitude,paying your dues.

(33:43):
Don't scrolling on your phone,doing extra things to help out
your boss or people around you.
The opposite of eat and skate.
Work hard when your companyboss plans events, activities.
Go.
Socialize with the higher ups,seeking out advice, mentoring.
Loyalty can pay off.
Communicate with your boss.
Give them the benefit of thedoubt, give appropriate notice.
Don't bridge a super smallworld.
Are there any ones that standout to you that you feel like

(34:05):
you need to really elaborate on?

Clark (34:07):
Yeah.
So I have a really rich network.
We're sitting down here today.
And one story when I wasstarting the law firm and
building it out, I reached out.
You were one of the fewindividuals who I reached out to
said, hey, can we meet up?
And I think at that pointyou're probably in software and

(34:29):
so you had moved on and you werereally great at liens and
because of that you had theopportunity to move into the
accounting department, which isthat's a lot of trust, and so
you graciously came in andhelped me out with consulting
and you did that as a courtesyand we grabbed dinner.
And so your network.

(34:52):
You can't ever have too manyfriends, and so I think when
people come into the workforcewhen they're in college they're
college graduates or right outof law school baby attorneys,
they're very your relationshipis with your employer, your
bosses, your coworkers, and itcan be a very small world, and

(35:25):
so I think people don't takefull advantage of just being a
person of high character andprotecting your reputation.
So I'd say relationships,because of all the time at that
law firm and all the people whocame and went, people I was able
to mentor and they'd come withquestions and I'd take my time
to help them out where I could.
We've had a lot of peoplewho've wanted to come work with
us and that's been really greatto be able to add to the team.

(35:48):
So at the law firm I'm anemployer and then we have
another health and wellnessbusiness where I'm an employer.
So I've been able to interviewall kinds of different people
and you never truly know howsomebody's going to be in the
seat.
But in this day and age, withthe younger generations, it
doesn't take much to setyourself apart from the others.
It really doesn't take too mucheffort today and it's just

(36:13):
basic stuff.
But I think the main thing isin paying your dues, really
build relationships.
Don't burn bridges.
If you're going to leave yourorganization, which is normal
when you're trying to figure outwhere your niche is, give
notice.
I mean, I have people who weput a lot into them.

(36:34):
We train them and put a lot ofresource into people and
sometimes they'll resigneffective immediately, you know,
talk to your employer hey, howmuch time do you need?
I mean, why are you going toburn that bridge?
Right, when we're hiringsomebody, they want to come work
for us.
If they currently have a joband they say they could start on
Monday, I'm not going to extendan offer because they're going

(36:56):
to do that to me too.
They're going to quit on mewithout giving me notice.
So it's just common decency,right, and just being focused
when you show up at work, bepresent.
Don't be scrolling on your cellphone and learn and seek out
mentors.
There's plenty of people.
I mean, you saw the other lawfirm.

(37:16):
I would take the time.
When people are curious andthey ask questions and they're
wanting to improve and progress,you want to naturally help them
.

J.R. (37:23):
I had a question on this and you mentioned you sitting
down as an employer and you'retrying to hire people or onboard
them or just screening for them.
Are there any particular redflags that might stand out to
you?
I know you mentioned goodthings to do while you're
employed, but maybe like whenyou're in the interview as an
employee.

Clark (37:41):
Yeah, like I said, until somebody.
So our human resourcesrepresentative Naba.
We talk about this a lot.
Somebody could be really goodon paper.
They could present really wellin an interview.
Until you get them in the seatand you see how they perform
over time.
You just never really know.
There are certain red flags.

(38:02):
I was looking at a resume theother day of an individual and
she's a jumper.
She jumped around, she'd workedat three other plaintiff
personal injury law firms inOrange County and reputable,
good firms.
I thought we're not.
We think we're special butwe're not going to be that much

(38:22):
more special than these otherfirms.
So right there, track record.
And I tell people at a certainpoint, jump around a bit, can or
that's possibly natural, but ata certain point jump around a
bit can, or that's possiblynatural, but at a certain point
you got to lock in and you needto move up within an
organization.
You need to show loyalty.
And the firm that we were at Ihad the perch that I had and the

(38:49):
opportunities because I paid mydues and I stuck around and I
was loyal and that wouldn't havebeen possible if I was a
mercenary and jumping all overthe place.
So I definitely look at resumeswhat is the track record?
And I also want to get a sensefor the connection that they
have to the geographicallocation where they grow up.

(39:13):
What are their ties to whereI'm at?
So I mean there's a lot ofdifferent red flags that we've
picked up on tells over time,with people who some people who
haven't worked out.

J.R. (39:25):
It's kind of one of those things you learn over time with
experience and you get thatintuition sometimes.

Clark (39:29):
One other question too is we're very adamant in the
interview.
For most all of our positionsare in person in office.
So I really, if they bring mein an interview, I really grill
them.
You understand, this is inperson in office because we've
seen that we'll bring somebodyin and it might be in college,
fresh out of college, right outof law school, and several

(39:50):
months in they're demanding,clamoring, to work from home.

J.R. (39:54):
Let's go into that then, because that's one of my other
questions is in-person versushybrid versus remote.
I personally know your thoughtson that, but do you want to
elaborate on maybe thedifferences between them and
maybe how people should approachthat?

Clark (40:08):
So I think you're doing yourself a disservice early on
your career if you're notspending time in the office.
I'm not a fan of remote work.
I don't do it for myself.
I think the only days that Iworked at home is when I
actually had COVID a couple oftimes.
So I like being in the office.
I think when you're starting outin your career, you should be

(40:30):
in the office.
You need to understand thecadence, you need to surround
yourself with people who knowwhat they're doing and you can
pick up on the nuances.
It's really frustrating whenpeople are not there present and
you're going back and forth inmessaging on Slack, whatever it
may be.
There's so much loss intranslation.

(40:52):
It takes so much more time.
So I understand that's not apopular opinion.
I've seen all different typesof situations with employees and
then myself personally, and Idon't think it's a good thing.
I think when you're in personin office, when you commute and
you're there in the office,you're present and you're
focused.
And then when you leave yourhome and you're there in the

(41:12):
office, you're present andyou're focused.
And then when you leave yourhome and your home with your
loved ones and you're doing yourhobbies and I found that people
who say they're in a littleapartment and they were sitting
at their desk or sitting attheir kitchen table and they're
working during the day andthey're doing their personal
stuff work would spill intotheir personal life, personal
life would spill into their worklife and they weren't doing

(41:34):
well at any one of those things.
Then they had mental healthissues and depression.
I saw all kinds of really sadwild stuff.
So I'm a big fan of it.
And again, there are some peopletoo who they've done this long
enough.
They're professional, they takethe initiative, they have all
my trust and they do reallygreat.
We have some people who don'tlive by our offices, who are all

(41:58):
over the United States and sowe don't have an office for them
.
But they're professional andthey know what they're doing and
so for them and for me, itworks out.
But because they areexperienced in their leaders, I
really wish they would be liveclose enough to an office so
they could mentor people who arecoming into the profession.
So, and then my other business,health and wellness.

(42:20):
That's all in person becauseit's a service.
So that's all in person.
But I think you're sellingyourself short If you're in
college, coming out of college,coming out of law school, and
you think you know exactly whatyou're doing.
You don't and you're justmissing out.
And it's not just FaceTime, butyou really do want to also

(42:41):
ingratiate yourself and you wantto have opportunities.
And those are going to comemore naturally when you're in
front of people.

J.R. (42:50):
Yeah, definitely On the same topic of institutions we
talked about this a little bitwhere it seems like employers
are expected to be theseinstitutions that used to be
separate, like family, socialclubs, activities, things like
that and your employer and thatsort of workspace.
Now it seems like in thisculture of people wanting to
work remotely and now they wanttheir employer to be the end-all

(43:13):
, be-all of their whole life.
So there's that kind of sametopic.
Or the other thing is what doyou think that the younger
generation, so let's say,millennials, gen Z, gen Alpha
coming up?
What do you think they canlearn, based on, perhaps, your
generation or the work-lifeculture that you benefited from?

Clark (43:31):
So one thing, and again, I was an employee for a very
long time in three differentprofessional environments, three
different firms, and so I'veseen the good, bad and the ugly
and I so I totally get it.
I didn't start my own businessright out of the gate and so
I've been there in that position.

(43:52):
I feel like there's a lot ofexpectations and pressure on
employers.
Right, you'll see a lot online,a lot of hate.
Hey, we should just all get towork wherever we want remote,
and the workplace boss is toxicand hostile and all this stuff.
There's just a lot of hate, so Iusually don't really chime in

(44:14):
on different things.
I think institutions havecrumbled and for all kinds of
different reasons, somelegitimate, some warranted.
But is there's less trust withthe younger generations, with,
say, churches or religion, orthere's less social clubs I mean
bowling leagues, I don't know?
I feel the pressure to reallybe everything for the employee

(44:40):
right, to be the social center,to be the motivator, all that.
So I think it's a really goodthing.
As an individual and employee,you can figure if you could have
more going on outside of work,things that you or you have a
belonging right.
You do dance.
There's different things likethat.
There's all kinds of differentthings.
So I think that's I mean evenour family structure.

(45:04):
However your family'sstructured I think families have
that unit has crumbled overtime.
Whatever your definition of isfamily, we're more because of
our technology and smartphones.
We're connected, but we're alsovery isolated, and so I found
that, going back as an employee,seeing different situations,

(45:25):
there's some people they justdoomsday scroll on their cell
phone and all the studies areout there.
It's not healthy for yourmental health.
Yeah, so we're totallyconnected.
We're also very isolated.
So get out in nature, right, ifthe law firm.

(45:45):
We go on hikes and we have onecoming up so, and a lot of our
people enjoy nature and hiking,and so that's part of our
culture.
the law firm.

J.R. (45:50):
Nice.
I guess last thing on thistopic is I know we're talking a
lot about advice and bestpractices for employees on how
to navigate their career.
Do you have any last thoughtson things for the younger
generation or, in general, howthey should approach their own
career that you might think thatthey're getting wrong?

Clark (46:09):
First off, having ethics is really important and not
being so short-sighted.
Try things out and really stepup and go outside your comfort
zone.
Reach out to people.
You want to have mentors.
Everybody should have a mentorand a mentee.

(46:30):
So that's what I've done in mylife, right?
One of my favorite mentees,stephanie.
She's done several stints atthe law firm.
She just graduated from loyallaw school.
I went to her law schoolgraduation and that's been very
energizing for me and it helpsme think of all the memories
good, bad and ugly when I wascoming up through college and

(46:53):
law school.
And now she's studying for thebar exam.
So I think it's.
I think it's just being a goodperson showing up and doing an
honest day's work for an honestday's pay.
I don't think you need to.
For me, I felt a lot ofpressure.
What am I going to doprofessionally?
You know I wanted to arriveright away and even the point
that I'm at.

(47:13):
I know that I have so much tolearn and there's so much more
that I want to learn, and so Iwould have enjoyed the journey a
lot more.
I don't get so caught up incomparing yourself to others.
Comparison is a thief of joy.
So I think because of thealgorithms right it's.
Oh, I have to have this crazyexotic sports car and I have to

(47:36):
have this type of lifestyle.
When you're I mean I was, mywife and I were driving our beat
up cars for years because wewere sacrificing and playing the
long game because we wanted toget into a house Took a lot of
sacrifices to be able to getinto a house.
I know that that seems to besomething that doesn't seem to
be attainable in this day andage.

(47:57):
So you have to make sacrificesalong the way and, like we
talked about, things generallytake longer than you think they
will to achieve.

J.R. (48:07):
Cool, I like it a lot.
Any last thoughts before we goto rapid fire questions.

Clark (48:11):
Oh, I think, just some of the people who I've had the
privilege and pleasure to workwith, it's an attitude of
gratitude, it's a positivemindset.
So, going back to that, I thinkand that's what I try to do I'm
preaching to myself.
That was really big for my dad.
Is it's all about your attitude, son, whatever I was doing
sports, even if we were at alosing season, whatever sport it

(48:33):
was.
So I think it's some of myhighest performers, most loyal
people who don't need to behighest performers, most loyal
people who don't need to begracious.
Those are the people actuallywho professionally benefit me
the most with how they performand how amazing they are, and
those are the ones who willhandwrite a thank you card or
give me a gift and that justmeans so much.

(48:55):
So the gratitude, theappreciation.
I've just been so blessed tohave had so many different
people who I could look up toand also that grit and
perseverance.
I had my son, rio, who justfinished his first wrestling
season.
The kids started when he wasfive and six and you're taking a
lot of beatings in that sportand he just continued to show up

(49:17):
day in, day out.
So I think you have to not beafraid to fail and not look cool
when you in day out.
So I think you have to not beafraid to fail and not look cool
when you're trying things out.
You have to get thoserepetitions in.
So I think that's what I try tobe better at is okay, when I
start out, I'm not going to bethe best, I'm going to look like
an idiot and I have to becomfortable with that.

J.R. (49:37):
It's great.
Yeah, that was a.
We're going to go into rapidfire questions, but that's 50
minutes of gold right there, soyou got your money's worth to
the audience.
First question from rapid fire,a billboard question.
If you could put up a sign formillions of people to see what
would it say?

Clark (49:55):
I think one of the iterations probably was our
motto bite back.
So I think it would be assimple as that.
Bite back.
A lot of different meanings.
So as a plaintiff, personalinjury attorney, we're up
against the big bad insurancecompanies and so really, if
you're ever in a legal situation, you really should reach out to
a competent ethical attorney toget some good advice.

(50:18):
So we believe in standing up tothe bully.
So it's in my line of work.
It's about standing up to thebully, fighting for the underdog
and really biting back againstthe insurance companies.

J.R. (50:29):
What is one of the hardest challenges you face and what
did you learn from it?

Clark (50:32):
So we talked about this.
So my snowboarding accident ofa really big jump and blew up
both my knees and went throughmultiple knee surgeries and
painful physical therapy,grueling physical therapy, and
so that was definitely one ofthe darkest moments of my life.
I was a younger attorney with awife and our daughter, violet

(50:55):
was one, and just excruciatingpain and agony, and so I was
able to realize how resilientthe human spirit is and as dark
as that was, I wouldn't changethat.
I wouldn't have that taken fromme.
It's made me who.

J.R. (51:10):
I am.
If you could give your youngerself advice, what would it be
now as I alluded to.

Clark (51:15):
as I said earlier, it's enjoy the journey.
It's the journey, not thedestination, and I have a lot of
foresight, so I have to reallybe in the moment.
Yeah, be in the moment bepresent.
So I think it would be bepresent, because time flies,
definitely flies, and I've seenthat with my kids, my young kids
, absolutely.

J.R. (51:36):
I heard that it's like when you have kids time flies
and you blink and they'releaving the house or something
You're like, oh, we got to be inthis moment because it's going
to be gone.
In the last few years, what?

Clark (51:48):
new belief, behavior or habit has improved your life, so
I've naturally done thisgrowing up.
It's manifestation.
Our minds are so powerful andwe have all kinds of stuff going
on that hold us back, so itreally is manifesting, that's
it's powerful.

J.R. (52:08):
Do you have any examples that you want to share on
manifesting for yourself or howit works?
Is it just thinking about itoften, or what is?

Clark (52:15):
it.
So I actually have when I drivemy kids to school in the
morning.
There's two to three days aweek where I do that.
The days that I work out withmy trainer, I don't because it's
earlier.
I have routines that I'll gothrough with them, and one of
those, the gratitude, isexpressing three things out loud
that I'm grateful for.
And another, and we'll domanifestations, I'll do that

(52:36):
with my kids.
And so there's all kinds ofdifferent manifestation.
Like my son will say intentions, manifestations hey, I want to
win my wrestling tournament.
Or even things as a family willsay hey, we want to go on this
tropical vacation.
And when you put that in yourhead and you put that in the
universe, you speak in theuniverse, it happens.

(52:57):
It's no different from writingdown your goals, how powerful
that is.
So it's intention,manifestation, whatever it is
that you're chasing.
You put that out there.
Your mind will consciously,subconsciously, figure out a way
to get there.
I like that.

J.R. (53:11):
So you guys do it like verbally with each other.

Clark (53:14):
Oh, that's cool, my kids can't stand it Like dad.
We're doing the mom's fun.
She plays music, Right, right,right, but I do that with them.

J.R. (53:20):
Yeah, I like that.
That's one of those thingswhere, when you're an adult,
you're like I didn't appreciatethis when I was a kid, but
actually it's one of thosethings that will help you later
on.
How do you define success?

Clark (53:33):
I would say success is staying aligned with your values
.
It's finding your mission orpurpose on this earth with the
one life that you have andstaying true to yourself.
So I think that is success forme, somebody who is really
striving to figure out whattheir purpose is and following

(53:53):
your purpose.

J.R. (53:55):
What is something that you've been pondering recently
or something that you oftenthink about deeply, if we
haven't covered it already?

Clark (54:01):
Yeah, I think with my children is you just assume that
they're going to be with youforever and maybe they will,
maybe they'll never move out.
I think how time is fleeting,and so all these things that
I've had on my punch list, Iwant to make sure that I take
the time to really spend with mykids while they're with me and
when I have that the amount oftime, all that time with me, and
when I have that the amount oftime, all that time with them.

J.R. (54:23):
What is one of the best or most worthwhile investments
you've ever made in either timemoney, energy, et cetera.

Clark (54:28):
Well, one thing and again I know this is it's not as
attainable as it was, butsacrificing my wife and I
working full-time jobs and shehad side hustles as a florist
and it really was sacrificingand sticking it out in
California and we're living inapartments but really getting
into our house.
That's been a really greatinvestment for us.

(54:51):
And anytime you're puttingresources into yourself to
improve yourself or learn askill or whatever it may be, but
what we talked about is whenyou can support and help out
friends and family and whattheir dreams and aspirations are
call it karma that actuallyends up benefiting you in a

(55:12):
crazy, weird way in the universe.
So I'd say it's just helpingout other people.
Yeah, I like that.
This is one of the bestinvestments, right.
Cheer people on, be happy forother people's success yeah.

J.R. (55:23):
Be there for them, reinvest into them, because that
pays more dividends than youthink and it's not a hard ROI.
Sometimes you might not expectanything back and you don't, but
sometimes the universe, likeyou said, gives back to you
tenfold, right, yep.

Clark (55:48):
Do you have a favorite recent purchase in the $50 to to
100 range that has impactedyour life in the last six months
or so?
Just some fun, small purchase?
Such a tough question.
So my mom, who's into all kindsof different health wellness
things?
There's an app and I think Igot a lifetime subscription but
I listen to it morning, nightand it's different hertz
frequencies and it's like asound sort of sound and then
they mix in these hertz.
So I listen to it in the morning, at night, when I'm commuting
to work in the morning, andsupposedly what is it?

(56:09):
They mix it up with all kindsof different music.
So vocals, just music, and Ienjoy listening that in the
morning, night.
Supposedly it does somethingwith stem cells.
Who?

J.R. (56:17):
knows.
I was about to ask what effecthave you noticed on yourself
before using it?
Or if anything, or you justlike the sound yeah, I just like
the sound.
I think it's the routine andcould be the placebo effect,
right, just like getting in thegroove, like it's my routine and
it's nice, it sounds comforting.
Yeah, and maybe there's somephysiological benefits.

(56:37):
Science to it like some sort ofvagus nerve being stimulated or
something Cool.
Okay, last rapid-fire questionFavorite books, movies, videos,
articles or media that you shareor recommend the most so two,
so I Gladiator 2.

Clark (56:53):
Really love that movie.
I just love like the war stuffand combat and we actually my
family, we just went to Italy,which was great a couple months
ago, and then books, chris Voss,never split the difference.
I'm constantly recommendingthat the law firm and just in
life and my wife and I were ableto meet him at a conference in
Santa Barbara and did a meet,and greet and.

(57:15):
Miranda who's very witty, mywife.
She went up to Chris when hewas signing her book and they
got a picture together and shesaid so what's your advice when
your children are the terrorists?
And Chris said that's when youcall on the SWAT team Nice I
like it All.

J.R. (57:33):
Right, Cool, that is it for rapid fire questions.
So we are on to our endingquestions.
So gratitude shout out to mymom for teaching me this.
She will be on the show in thefuture.
But yeah, Clark, what are yougrateful for?

Clark (57:46):
I'm grateful for life and family and friends.
I and memories.
I'm a big memory guy.
I love walks down memory lane.
So I think life we all have.
Life is difficult, there's alot of challenges, so it just
where's your perspective?

(58:06):
We all experience some reallysad, tough stuff.
And are you keeping your facetoward the sun or where are you
pointed?
So I'm just grateful for it.
I know that seems, I guess,trivial, but I really am
grateful for life.

J.R. (58:25):
All right, final ask from the audience or any final
takeaways you'd like to havefrom this conversation.
So if you want to self-plug ordirect them into some sort of
intention, any last thoughts?

Clark (58:35):
Yeah, so I'll just start with the self-plug.
So fieldinglawfirmcom plan ofpersonal injury law firm,
arizona and California.
We provide free, confidential,no obligation legal
consultations for accidentinjury cases and we're also well
connected with a network indifferent areas of law.
So we're there and you couldfind us, I think Instagram is

(58:58):
fieldinglawfirmcom, and then Ihave my Clark the Shark Law
Instagram as well.
And in terms of an ask of theaudience, I think it would be as
I referenced is finding ways tosupport and cheer on other
people your family and friendsReally reach out.

J.R. (59:21):
Nice, I like it.
All right, clark, I thinkthat's pretty much it.
I will link all of your linksand socials and everything in
the show notes so people cancheck that out to see what
you're up to your Instagram,your website and your law firm.
Highly recommend it.
Second personal injury attorneyI've had on the show, but I
highly recommend both of themfor the same reasons why you
said character, integrity,competence and everything.

(59:42):
Highly recommend them,especially Clark.
Like I said he's I consider hima mentor figure in my early
career.
So all right, clark, that is it.
I really appreciate having youon the show.
I think I've learned a lot.
I'm going to take a bunch ofnotes on this.
Hopefully the audience will too, and I end with the DJ air horn
.

Clark (01:00:00):
I've been all episode.
I've just been wanting.
He's like I want to press thisbutton, I want to, and before I
do that, shout out to Ali he's agreat friend and really look up
to Ali and really loved hispodcast episode.
So I'd love to do the DJAirhorn, if I may do it, yeah

(01:00:20):
nice, we like it.

J.R. (01:00:21):
Alright, guys, thanks for tuning in.
I really appreciate it.
Make sure to subscribe, followwhatever you guys do.
If you like this episode or anyfeedback you have for me or
clark, definitely leave in thecomments, we'll see it and a
reminder to always be kind toother people, especially
yourself, and reminder that youcan always learn something from
someone if you take the time tolisten.
So thanks, thanks for beinghere.

Clark (01:00:40):
Thanks, Marlo.

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