#44: Shasia Rangel - Industrial Design to Social Work, Mexico-America Culture Shock, and Leading with Empathy - One Thousand Gurus Podcast

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J.R. (00:00):
Hello everyone, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
everyone in between, welcomeback to another fun and exciting
episode of 1000 Gurus with me,your host, jr Yonacruz.
Today's guest is Shasia Rangel.
Shasia is Mexican-American,born in the States but raised in
Mexico, majored in industrialdesign, but recently

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transitioned into social workingafter a long journey of craving
to do something more meaningfulwith her career.
Outside of work, she's been aleader of choreos for three
years and has also been anactive member of the project
team Playground.
I was excited to have my goodfriend Shasia come on the show
for various reasons.
There are a handful of peoplein my life with whom I can have
a five to six hour plusconversation with, and Shasia is

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one of them.
What I love about her is thatshe's not only very thoughtful
about what she says, but shepractices what she preaches and
constantly tries to learn andimprove.
Since I've known her, so she'sone of the people who I respect
the most.
We also have really goodchemistry, and so I knew I would
have fun recording this episodewith her, and we cover a lot of
topics, ranging from herexperience adjusting to living

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in the States from Mexico, herevolving career path lessons.
She's learned about leadershipfrom dance, why Shasia hates
Mexican food in the US, insightsabout mental health and why her
therapist broke up with her.
I'm just kidding about that,but sort of not.
I think we both had funrecording this one and hopefully
you guys have fun listening toit.
So, without further ado, hopeyou enjoy this episode with

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Shasia Abbey, rangel Gonzalez,or Sarge for short.
We don't call her that, but weshould Hello everyone and
welcome back to another episodeof 1000 Gurus.
Please welcome my guest, shasia.
Please welcome my guest Shasia.

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Cool Shasia.
Thanks for being here.
I really appreciate it.
I've been looking forward tothis for a while now and, for
those of you who don't know,shasia and I dance Well, I'll go
into how we know each other.
But Shasia also helps edit andschedule the posts for this
podcast, so anything you've seenon our social media is like a
short form.
She has seen it as well and hasscheduled it.

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So, yeah, she is a big part ofour production, so I appreciate
her for that.
I'll go into how I know her.
So we met on choreos back in2021 yeah, right 2021 yeah,
because I know 2020 is when ithit.
And then we started lemon erathen, like next january yeah, it
hit.
And then we started Lemon Erathen, like next January yeah, it
hit.
And then you are on the teamsince then.
So 2021, right, right, andwe've been dancing together

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since then and other danceprojects, and we've been
co-elship on the team for thelast few years and, like I
mentioned, you also help withthis podcast and you do a lot of
other stuff and your career aswell as has evolved over the
years.
So we might get into, or we'lldefinitely get into, that, but
what else you up to?

Shasia (02:48):
lately just dance, fortunately, and work, which is
good yeah but yeah, that's agood description of who I am.

J.R. (02:56):
Thank you, that is all encompassing yes I'm just
kidding, we'll get into a lot ofthat as well.
And also your birthday's comingup, right.
Yeah, just filmed a birthdaycover, I think by the time.
Well, and also your birthday iscoming up, right.
Yeah, just filmed a birthdaycover.
I think by the time thisepisode comes out, your birthday
cover will have come out.

Shasia (03:08):
Yeah, yeah.

J.R. (03:09):
So that'll be exciting.
Maybe we will link to itActually we will link to it in
the description so they cancheck it out, because it's
really cool.
I think I've was a lot of fun.
That was the first time dancingwith one of your old team, like
team project team, but it was alot of fun.
We were at the pier, rightright.

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I remember that because I justtook a lot of fun screenshots of
like you remember.
It's like the our weirdest andthen some parts where I like
covered you up or like yeahactually, you know what.
I'm gonna link that in one ofthe intro posts nice yeah
anything else you're up to no,no, yeah, that was fun, though.

Shasia (03:52):
We filmed this morning and it was also around the beach
area of Venice.
Luckily, I got to have all myfavorite people, my favorite
girls it was all girls in thecover so it was really fun,
really fun experience, and itwas really chill and fast that's
great.
How many people it was sixdancers and then me okay, so
you're the seventh who filmed?

J.R. (04:11):
it jordan.

Shasia (04:12):
Oh okay, cool nice it was literally just all the ogs.
It was really fun.

J.R. (04:16):
And then austin came to support with samyak nice, his
boyfriend oh yeah, people wholisten to this will know who
austin is.
All right, cool anything else,before we jump into main topics.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for being here,appreciate it.
I always like to have myclosest friends on here, because
it's cool to not only catch upI mean, we see each other but

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not only that, but to have aconversation recorded for
forever, until the end of time,so it's nice to cement this
moment.
Ok, so we'll go into the firsttopic, as usual, which is origin
story, main influences.
So, shasia, where did you growup and what were your main
influences?

Shasia (04:51):
I guess you can break that apart, if you want okay, so
I was born in the states.
A lot of people don't know thatabout me, actually, because I
was basically raised in mexicomy whole life until I was 22.
So yeah, I, my parents, areboth mexicans, so I definitely
consider myself mexican overamerican.
Every time anyone asks, yeah, Ijust say I'm mexican oh, that's

(05:13):
where your accent comes from.

J.R. (05:15):
Yes, we're talking about this before.
He's like well, where are youfrom?
What's your accent from?
And we had him guess, and she,he's like hispanic and she's
like oh yeah, wait, I didn'thear enough words, though.

Shasia (05:25):
Well, but it's interesting because I don't
think anyone ever tries to guessmy accent, so that's why I was
curious.
I was like, oh, I want to know.
But yeah, I've been living herefor the past four years now,
which is crazy.
But yeah, I went to school inmexico.
I went to To school in Mexico.
I went to, let's see, yeah, Iwent to school for industrial

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design.
And what's the second part ofthe question?

J.R. (05:51):
Just main influences.

Shasia (05:52):
So what do?

J.R. (05:53):
you think shaped you to who you are today.

Shasia (05:55):
So I don't think I've ever had a specific person or
someone that I looked up to, butI like to find inspiration in
everyone that I meet.
I feel like everyone hassomething that we can admire
from them, so I like to see theworld that way okay, so you got
a lot from a lot of thingspeople experiences and whatnot
and there's nothing that standsout.

J.R. (06:16):
That was like I don't know .
I don't want to lead thequestion right, but people say
my family.
Obviously some people, maybethey have a spirituality that
they lean towards, or maybeschool experiences or where they
grew up or stuff like that.
But I don't know if anythingcomes to mind.

Shasia (06:32):
I mean, of course, my family.
I'm really close to them, soyeah, but I do have a couple of
maybe mentors during school thatguided my pathway throughout my
life, like decisions thatshifted my career or my
decisions, but maybe I'll gomore into it later how did you
end up moving to the states likewhy?
right.
So because I have the americannationality, like always, like

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when I was growing up, I alwaysthought that this might be a
possibility for me.
I wasn't sure if I was gonnalike it, so initially my plan
after finishing college was tomove here for six months and see
how he liked it, and then Ijust stayed so where did you
live?

J.R. (07:13):
did you have family here?
I feel like I know the answerto this.
Yeah, also as a no yes, yes,yes.

Shasia (07:20):
so my whole mom's side of family lives, or has lived,
in California, because my mommigrated to the States when she
was a child.
So ever since her whole familyjust lives here.
So I came often to the Statesbecause of that and, yeah, I
think because of that it was alittle easier to transition into

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that decision of moving here,like I wasn't just by myself.
And then my sister moved to thestates, maybe four years before
I did so.
When I first moved here I livedwith her for two years, maybe a
year and a half, um, and thennow my parents also live here
because my sister had a babywell, now a kid bigger baby yeah

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, so they wanted to come over tojust help her out and see him
grow.
But yeah, basically now my wholefamily is here, and even my
dogs and stuff, so I have noreason to go back to.
Mexico, but I definitely missit a lot.

J.R. (08:16):
Yeah, I remember was it last year.
You took us down to Mexico justto see your area and stuff like
that.
It was really fun.

Shasia (08:24):
Yeah, I think it was almost two years now, but yeah,
but it was during christmas.
That was really fun, oh that'sright.

J.R. (08:30):
Yeah, so for our team we have these bingo fundraiser
things, and so I bought one ofthe bingo squares, which was to
take us down to mexico for, like, tacos or something right and I
think, was it also jordan, orand?
Jordan and austin yeah and thenso we went down and saw where,
like Shossi, grew up andeverything and taking us to like
the taco stands and the grocerystores and we got some just

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random stuff.

Shasia (08:52):
Yeah, because that's another thing.
Right, I lived in Tijuana fornine years, and then I can do
the math right now.
But the rest of the years thatI lived in Mexico, I was in a
different city called Leon,which is what I consider now my
hometown, because most of mymemories are actually in Leon
and then most of my friends arealso in Leon.
I have no friends in Tijuana,but I like going to TJ for food,

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so that's why I wanted to takehim.

J.R. (09:15):
So Tijuana was the earlier part of your life.

Shasia (09:17):
Yes, the first nine years Okay.

J.R. (09:19):
That makes sense, yeah, okay.
So then you moved over herebecause you want to see what it
was like.
Six months you had family here.
Now they are all moved up here.
So industrial design what is it?
Why did you choose it?
What did you plan on doing withthat?

Shasia (09:30):
Right.
So I always liked design,always had an eye for it, always
felt some sort of passion forit.
But I was also always a prettysmart kid.
So all of my life everyone wasjust like you just have to go to
an engineering or somethinglike that to make your brains
worth right.
But my heart was like I reallywant to do something that has to

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do with art.
I don't want to just look atnumbers or be in the office all
my life.
I feel like I'll be reallyunhappy.
So my sister went to school forfashion design actually, and
she's six years older than me,so throughout her time in school
I would help her out withprojects, be at her school and
just be next to her during allthose years.

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So I got to see what it waslike to be in that school
particularly and the type ofprojects they would do, like the
environment, and that made mefeel even stronger about wanting
to do something similar.
But because, like again,everyone kept telling me like
but you're smart, you have touse your brain, you have options

(10:34):
.
Yeah, especially I rememberthis one teacher that I was
really close to in in my lastyear of high school, like he, I
think, had really highexpectations for me.
And then he asked me like whatdid I decide?
At the end?
I was like, oh, I'm going forindustrial design.
He was like what?
No engineering.

J.R. (10:54):
And I was like, oh, I follow my heart, I guess.
Why do they feel like you'd begood at engineering?
So I know you said smart, butwere there any specific
qualities?

Shasia (11:03):
good with numbers, oh okay, is the number side of it?

J.R. (11:06):
yeah, and math but you have no interest in numbers or
math I really like math when Iwas in high school.

Shasia (11:12):
But actually the reason why I went for industrial design
is because it's like a mix,because what industrial design
is is basically product design,but in mass production.
So they teach you the aspect of, like how do machines work and
how do you make this possible,like through the machines.

J.R. (11:28):
So what are some examples of like mass produced products
like that?

Shasia (11:33):
I'm like looking at a lot of things like yeah,
everything yeah, basically sowhat is an example of
non-industrial design thing?
so a lot of product designersjust do things like more
manually, like they actually doit themselves, or there were
some stuff that we actuallylearned that were a little bit
more on that side.
That is what I ended up likingmore about industrial design and

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it's the reason why I decidednot to pursue it as a career
after.
But ceramics, for example, youcan't really like mass produce
it if I don't know, you can, butit's not as pretty and like as
valuable in my opinion.
But a lot of designers actuallytake the time to make the molds
and just do one by one.

(12:14):
There's someone making it likeclearly and, yeah, I think just
industrial design at the end ofthe day.
The reason why I didn't want topursue it is because I, through
school, I learned also about howdamaging it could be for the
environment, because they'resomewhat realistic and they're
trying to teach you also to stepaway from just producing trash

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for the world.
Because one thing that theyteach you in school is you have
to find a need for you to beable to design something like.
Someone has to need somethingfor your product to be
successful.
But a lot of people make upneeds to excuse the product.
Basically oh interesting, likethey go in reverse yeah, like
they try to make a product butnot figure out where the need is

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first or it's a need that isnot really a need like you're,
like it's stupid, I don't know.
Avocado cutters that are likeweirdly shaped and then it's
like a one one used product.
Basically that's not reallysomething that is well designed,
it's basically just made formoney and a lot of things are
like that.
And I started realizing that asI was in school and I was like I

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don't know if I can see myselfdoing this, because I always had
a passion for protecting theenvironment and just, of course,
human rights, but, like animalrights and taking care of our
world, we only have one.
So the more I learned, the moredifficult it was for me to see
myself in that career.
Maybe I could see myself as aproduct designer, but I was like
I don't know if I can doindustrial design.

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And then also I started hittingmath as I was getting more into
it.
Like I had I don't know likeseven classes, seven courses
that were like math related, andevery time, like I just started
hitting it more and more andmore and I was like okay, maybe
this is not for me, but I stillhad really fun classes.
Like I learned how to do thingsin different materials.

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Like I learned how to use orlike how to work with wood,
metals, plastic, ceramics, as Imentioned, like basically any
type of material I learned towork with and that I really
liked, and which is why I feellike maybe I would have enjoyed
studying product design morethan industrial design.
But I don't regret my decisionand I made really good friends

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in school and it was fun overallso then maybe product design in
the future, if it comes around,if it makes sense yeah, I would
love to go back into ceramicsat one point when I have money
maybe, maybe have like aworkshop and have like my own
line where I can just do thethings myself and I don't know a
helper or two, but I like to beable to just do it myself, like

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I don't want it to be like amass thing, like I just want it
to be intimate.

J.R. (14:56):
Like not a mass produced product, but something that's
more personal and that's part ofart, right, it's like unique,
okay.
So then, now that you know thatindustrial design or, I guess,
mass produced products is notreally your thing and it didn't
align with your values of whatyou wanted to contribute to
society, what do you gravitatetowards now, now that you have
more self-awareness?

Shasia (15:18):
So I guess I could give a little bit of background what
I ended up doing after schoolfirst, but I got more into video
editing and production becauseI didn't want to do industrial
design in school, right, and Ihad one class I was video
editing related and by this timeI was already doing covers and
like stuff like that anduploading to youtube back in

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mexico.
So I taught myself to editbefore this class.
So when I got into this class,everything that they were
teaching us I already knew andmy teacher saw this, or like my
professor saw this, and she waslike I could just teach you how
to do things that you don't knowhow to do, like you don't have
to do the same stuff that yourclassmates are doing, because I
want you to actually takesomething from this class.

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And I really bonded with thisteacher like a lot and at the
end of the she basically got memy first internship and I got my
first job because of that andit was like video related and I
really enjoyed that.
And when I moved to the States Iwanted to pursue that same
career video editing, slashmarketing but I started working

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at a cosmetics company and Ijust felt like my life was so
depressing I was I think the wayI describe it is that once I
started working like 40 hours aweek, I just could not believe
that this was my life.
That was just like there is noway I have to live this way
until I am like 60 something orwhatever age that I have to

(16:45):
retire.
I yeah, it was a really darktime in my life that I was just
like I need to figure outsomething else Like this cannot
be it.

J.R. (16:54):
Well, what about it?
Was it just the hours itself,or was the type of work or
combination or anything?

Shasia (16:58):
A combination Like the environment was not great.
It was like a warehouse, and Ithink this is very common, like
a lot of people who are intovideo editing or like working in
that environment literally arein a warehouse and are just like
stuck to their laptop orcomputer the whole day.
Right, and I think it's goodwhen you have to focus.
But I just didn't want that tobe my life like every single day

(17:20):
, especially if it wasn'tsomething that I was passionate
about, like I wasn't creatingstuff that I was passionate
about.
So yeah, and also, yeah, Istruggled with seasonal
depression during that time moreintensely, so just getting out
of work and seeing like the daywas over was really depressing.
And I think during that time Ilearned a valuable lesson of

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trying to make every day worthit and finding something nice to
do or like something that Iwould enjoy.
If I knew that maybe workwouldn't fulfill this, then I
would just like purposely findsomething else to do in the
afternoon that would fulfill it,and thankfully I had choreos,
right and dance and everything,so that helped a lot.
But yeah, I just yeah.

(18:04):
I just didn't want that to belike the end goal or to continue
into that career path.
So I guess, luckily now,luckily right.
But, like at the time, it was ofcourse a difficult time but I
got laid off and I wasunemployed for a year and a half
and during that time, at firstI was excited about it.

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I tried to look at it in apositive light because I was
like, okay, this is my chance,right To change my career path.
This is like a sign like I haveto do it.
And I was really excited aboutit for the first six months,
let's say.
But then I feel like everyoneknows getting a job these days
is so hard, so, so, so, so hard.
So I feel like by the end ofthese 18 months that I was

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struggling with that, I was justlike I just need to find a
fucking job, like I don't carewhat it is anymore.
But I bumped into this post thatwas basically, and it was
basically looking for socialworkers and this was something
that I was scared at firstbecause I didn't know if they
would actually consider mebecause I had no experience in

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the work field that had to dowith, yeah, social working.
But I did a lot of volunteeringwhen I was in high school and a
little bit in college.
So I put that as my experienceright and I felt like this
aligned a lot more with what Iwanted to do, like in the long
run, because I always wanted todo something that was like more
impactful or that wouldn'tdamage the earth more than it

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already is, like I wanted togive something back to society.
That was like my goal, like mywhole life, like I just wanted
to do something, impactsomeone's life in a positive way
.
So when I saw, saw this, I waslike okay, maybe it's a sign.
And they got back to me so, soquick and the whole process was
so quick.
So like for the first monththat I started working there, I
was just like how did I getmyself into this job?

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This is crazy.
And it felt like a dream forthe longest time, like I now is
sinked in, but but yeah, for thelongest time I was just like I
can't believe that this ishappening.
And also my work environment isjust so, so nice, like my two
bosses, my supervisor, mycoworkers are all amazing people

(20:15):
and I just never thought that Iwas going to be able to achieve
that or be in an environmentlike that.

J.R. (20:21):
So the environment for sure is something that you
really enjoyed.
You kind of quote unquote,accidentally fell into it, but
is there anything about the workthat you really enjoy that
aligns with you?

Shasia (20:31):
Yeah, absolutely Specifically a type of social
working I do.
I work with people who havemental disabilities.
This could be either ADHD,autism or intellectual
disabilities as well, and mycompany particularly works on
helping them live a moreindependent life, and all of our
clients have to be 18 plus,basically adults, so they are

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able to make their own decisions, and usually these type of
clients are struggling to makethat step into becoming an adult
fully right.
So we assist them into followinghabits or maybe understanding
systems that are in society thatare not as easy to understand,
let's say, taxes, applying forjobs, applying for schools,

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these type of things thatusually no one teaches you right
, but us, as neurotypicals,understand this as time, like
passes, or we can teachourselves to do it, but they
don't.
They can't do this and theirfamily usually struggles with
doing it, so they seek for helpoutside.
So that is basically what I doand I feel like, yeah, I've

(21:38):
always just like helping peopleand obviously, as I said before,
I've always been an advocatefor human rights and just
standing up for what is rightand I felt because of that this
aligned a lot with what I wantedto do, and every day is hard, I
would say, but at least at theend of the day I feel fulfilled

(22:01):
with what.
I do Like I don't really careanymore about changing I don't
know, millions of people's lives, but I'm just content with
helping the two clients that Isee that day.
Knowing that I was able tosupport them that day with
whatever I did, it's just veryfulfilling.

J.R. (22:20):
My two follow-up questions before we shift topics is one
what is something that moreneurotypical people should know
or consider about?
Maybe I don't want to sayapproaching, like dealing with
or being involved withneurodivergent people that you
think that they don't know orshould know?
Maybe that's a very bigquestion, but I'm curious.

Shasia (22:40):
No, yeah, I think in general, just try to give people
grace.
I think it's really easy for usto judge when we see people in
the street, for example, or atthe store.
There's people who are doingthings that are not normal in
our eyes, maybe, and we arequick to judge and see, I don't
know, he's acting crazy or whatis wrong with that person, like
maybe they are not in their likefive senses or maybe they're

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struggling with somethingpersonally, maybe.
Don't put yourself in adangerous situation, of course,
too, but just give them grace.
Try to put yourself in theirsituation too, or at least give
them the benefit of the doubt,just whoever you encounter in
the street, even if maybethey're not neurodivergent and
they're just on drugs orwhatever, or just a weird friend
of yours.
Or just strangers.

(23:25):
I feel like it happens morewith strangers when they see
like I'm walking with friendsand they'll be like why is that
person doing that?
And I'm like maybe they're intheir own neighborhood, like you
don't know that, maybe just letthem be.
But in general I think, justtreat people with kindness, yeah
more compassion, empathykindness.

J.R. (23:42):
Yeah.
Second thing, I guess, is workon the topic of mental health,
but was there anything that youwanted to touch on?
We'll get into moving to theStates, but in your own,
figuring out your work, yourcareer, your life, but also
working with people who maybestruggle with this at times and
they're neurodivergent.
Any thoughts on mental health?

Shasia (24:00):
Yeah, well, as I said earlier, I was unemployed for a
year and a half and I feel likethat was one of the biggest
struggles that I've had mentally.
I realized with that that theway that our society is built
with capitalism, a lot of ourself-worth is aligned to our
work and how productive we are.
So not being able to beproductive during that one year

(24:20):
and a half was so, so, sodetrimental for my self-esteem.
I never expected that to happen, like I.
I just never thought that.
I thought I was worthy becauseI worked until I started
analyzing that right, butluckily, I guess again, I wasn't
luckily in the moment, but nowI see it like that I started

(24:41):
taking therapy thanks to it.
I actually started takingtherapy right after I started
working, but I wanted to work onlike everything that I had
suffered for, like the pastmonths before I started working
and I was struggling with otherthings as well.
But yeah, I will never.
I will always ask people to justtake therapy if they have the
possibility to.
I feel like everyone could takeadvantage of taking therapy.

(25:03):
Even if you feel like you'redoing amazing, we all have
something to learn, always,right, we're always learning,
but especially about ourselves.
I think, I think just, yeah,just going to therapy is so, so
helpful.
I'm actually having my lasttherapy session in a week and
that's crazy, like seeing, yes,seeing this this is like

(25:23):
graduation or something kind ofright I don't know what the word
is in english like when yourprocess like ends, how do you?

J.R. (25:29):
know when it ends.
How do you define like thatfinishing point?

Shasia (25:33):
My therapist kind of hinted that it was time for us
to, but I have been feeling thatI had nothing else to share.
Like I felt okay for the pastweeks and every time I was like
what am I going to tell mytherapist?
Now I already like literallythe same things that we're
talking about right now.
Is what I talked about lastweek right, and that happened

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for two months.
Like it just kept happeningevery week that I was here and
she was one day.
She was just like so it seemslike you know how to handle
these things on your own now.
Do you think we still need tosee each other like every week?
And I was like I know wherethis conversation is going and I
kind of did it.

J.R. (26:10):
She's breaking up with you .
Yeah, it's not you, it's me.

Shasia (26:14):
No, I actually cried about it for a week because it's
so weird.
I don't know why I'm like this,but the week before I was just
thinking I don't want to taketherapy anymore because I'm, I'm
risking, I'm, I feel like I waswasting my time.
I was not, but I feel like Iwas really busy during those
days and I just wanted to havethat extra hour a week to do my
own stuff and I feel like Iwasn't saying anything new,

(26:37):
Right?
But then when my therapist toldme that, I was like, oh fuck.
I kind of hit it like OK, it isending and it was scary to know
that I was going to be handlingon my own now and of course

(26:57):
she's always gonna be there,right, it's not like I'm fully
on my own now and then I cannever talk.
No contact breakup.
Yeah, basically.
No, I can contact, but but yeah, basically, when they know that
you are capable of doing thingsnow and you, they see that you
are putting uh into action whatyou learned at therapy, that's
when they'll start saying okay,maybe we can start navigating
towards finishing therapy.
So for the past two months I'vebeen just having two sessions a

(27:22):
month, and before I used tohave four sessions a month.
So it's like gradual.
Yeah, next week is my last one.

J.R. (27:27):
Wow exciting.

Shasia (27:29):
Yeah, I'm all on my own.
You're all on your own, yeahexactly.

J.R. (27:33):
That's cool.
That's great to hear.
I look proud of you.
Obviously you've come so farand then you know that the most,
so that must be such a greatfeeling.
We're definitely not going toget to the next two things that
we brainstorm, but we'll seewhere it goes.
So I wanted to ask youspecifically about your coming
over here from Mexico andadjusting to the States.
We're in Southern California,laoc sort of area all around,

(27:56):
and your family's from likePasadena area.

Shasia (27:59):
Yeah.

J.R. (27:59):
Right.
What I want to know is what wasthat experience like?
I'm sure there were a lot ofculture shocks and things you
haven't gotten used to thingsyou have gotten used to.
So could you walk us throughyour experience moving here?

Shasia (28:10):
Yeah, so I think my experience was really smooth
because I had choreos, honestly,in my family.
Of course, my sister helped alot.
Like having her here was likefamiliar, like I wasn't on my
own fully.
I wasn't as close distance wiseto my like uncles and aunts, so
I wouldn't see them as often,but like living with my sister,
of course, was a bettertransition than just moving to a

(28:34):
whole country that you don'tknow anything about, like on
your own right and I spoke thelanguage.
So also that helped a lot.
But I think having thatcommunity already here because
for for context, it was COVIDright I auditioned before I
moved here, basically becauseauditions were transitioned to
online and I think they werelike throughout December and

(28:55):
January, like the first days ofJanuary, and I moved here
officially in February, so likethe community was already there
for me before I moved here.
So having someone to have,having someone to spend time
with, was so much.
It was so much easier totransition because of that.
Like having someone to spend myafternoons with or I don't know

(29:19):
if I just wanted to hit someoneup and go get ice cream or try
a different restaurant it waseasy to do.
So I got to know a lot of myfavorite restaurants because of
choreos, because we're alwayseating after dance or like
practice filming whatever.
So, yeah, definitely havingthat group of people around was
so, so helpful.
And for anyone trying to moveout to a different place, I

(29:43):
would just recommend findingcommunity, and I am such an
advocate for community.
I think community is soimportant for us as a society
and sometimes we stay away fromit.
But, yeah, just findingcommunity will make things
easier if you're moving to a newplace.

J.R. (29:59):
That's a good pro tip.
What were some of the if youhave any that come to mind
biggest culture shocks or thingsgetting used to from Mexico to
here?

Shasia (30:07):
So the first one was food.

J.R. (30:09):
What Our food isn't as good.

Shasia (30:13):
The one thing that I always told friends like I don't
know.
This is just in my brain, butfor me just food doesn't taste
as fresh.
In the states, like in mexico,we have everything around us,
right, all the fruits andvegetables are grown around us,
so like everything is fresh.
But here, like I don't want tolike spoil, I don't know.
It tastes a little bit likeplastic, I don't know how to
describe it.
Wait, you don't want to spoil?
I don't know.
It tastes a little bit likeplastic, I don't know how to
describe it.

J.R. (30:33):
Wait, you don't like plastic.

Shasia (30:36):
I don't know.

J.R. (30:37):
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think it tastes muchdifferent?
So, distance-wise, we're notthat far, and if you go to a
place where it's, let's say, therestaurant owner is from Mexico
, or their family or whatever,Theoretically in my brain
shouldn't it be the same right?

Shasia (30:52):
but it doesn't taste the same right.

J.R. (30:53):
Right, that's exactly what I would say too.
What do you think is thedifference then?

Shasia (30:55):
I have no idea.

J.R. (30:56):
The capitalism air I think so.

Shasia (30:58):
Mexico is also a capitalist country, right?
Sure but I do feel like maybethere's stuff in the states that
are approved that in mexicoaren't like fda approved that
ingredients uh-huh, a lot ofpreservatives that maybe are not
approved in other countries orare not as easy to consume in
other countries.
Yeah, I'm still trying to figurethat out.
I don't understand why thathappens.

(31:20):
Like one thing that my familydoesn't understand either is I
don't eat tortillas here.
I don't.
I'm not.
Like sorry to all my fellowMexicans, but I'm not a huge
tortilla fan.
Take Mexican.
You don't eat churros, right toall my fellow Mexicans, but I'm
not a huge tortilla fan, butTake Mexican.

J.R. (31:34):
You don't eat churros, right?
Or is there something else youdon't like?

Shasia (31:37):
There's a lot of things.
Well, I just don't eat Mexicanfood in the States.
That's the thing.
That's what I'm going to say.
In Mexico I eat a little bit oftortilla, but in the States I
just cannot stand it.
Like the flavor is so fake,it's so so, so fake.
So, yeah, the food basicallywas the first thing that I was
like I cannot, I need, like I,as I said, I don't eat mexican

(31:58):
food in the states.
I try to just crave it until Igo back home and I'm like okay
you save your cravings yeah,this is so much better, I just
eat it from yeah.
And then it's so sad becauseeveryone like keeps trying to
recommend me places and be likeno, but this place is authentic,
you'll like this one.
And I'm like at this point Idon't expect anything.
I'm just like OK, I'll try it,but I feel like I won't, I won't

(32:18):
like it.
And then, yeah, I almost alwaysdon't like it.

J.R. (32:21):
You know, what's funny is that I think I've went to maybe
a couple of Mexican food placeswith you, and and it's always
that holds your breath oh, whatdoes Shazia think?
So now part of me is thinkingmaybe you were just being nice
to us in the restaurant.
It's good.

Shasia (32:34):
The thing is, every time I eat Mexican food, I never
expect it to taste likeauthentic.

J.R. (32:39):
Never, oh.
So just your expectations arelowered.

Shasia (32:41):
Yeah.

J.R. (32:45):
And I'm like, yeah, it's good.
So what do you eat, Shazia, ifyou don't eat mexican food?

Shasia (32:49):
the way that I usually eat is just more like ingredient
based.
Honestly at this point, likewhat?
Like?
My go-to is like rice, broccoliand salmon, I see so just
ingredients, but not necessarilylike a cuisine yeah what about
like restaurants?

J.R. (33:02):
do you have like favorite type of cuisine from restaurants
?

Shasia (33:05):
yeah, I like a lot of asian food.
I've heard from my asianfriends that asian food in LA
area is really good.
I've never been to Asia, so tome it tastes amazing.
Maybe people who are from Asiafeel exactly the same way that I
feel about Mexican food, butyou know what?
I have not tried the authenticone, so I'm happy having Asian
food in LA.

J.R. (33:24):
Yeah, so I have a theory on the whole what makes the food
taste different?
Because, like we talked aboutthis too, for example, I don't
really like italian food, mostlyjust because it's not my vibe,
like it's just carbs, cheese,oil, whatever.
But when I went to italy andhad the food there and the pasta
and I was like wait, I don'treally like pasta, but why is it
so good here?
And my theory is that it'sreally the sourcing, because of

(33:48):
course, in those places they'regrowing their food is different
from how we grow it here, andalso the sourcing, and we mass
produce food and low quality,like you said, and we probably
put plastic into the food togive it that American flavor.
But then I was surprisedbecause I'm like, wait, I really
love Italian food in Italy andso I think now I'm like it
probably is just the foodsourcing, because theoretically,

(34:10):
that Italian chef can come hereand make the same food, but it
tastes different.

Shasia (34:14):
I actually had an Italian professor because I
learned Italian in college, butthat professor said the same
thing I can't buy theingredients to make pasta and
make it taste like it tastes inItaly.
It just won't taste the same.
So yeah, I agree Very sad.
I do have a restaurant, though,that I would recommend for
tacos.
I agree, very sad.
I do have a restaurant, though,that I would recommend for
tacos.
Is it 1986, 1982?

J.R. (34:35):
Something like that.
Oh yeah, the place Did we go?
To that place it's in that areawhere you used to work right.

Shasia (34:39):
Yeah, and actually there's one in Westwood now too.

J.R. (34:41):
Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.

Shasia (34:45):
So if you guys want to get tacos, I would recommend
they taste like authentic TJtacos.

J.R. (34:47):
TJ Tacos.
Oh, sign off by Shasia.
Now, just exclusively go there.
Affiliate link.
Just kidding.
No, any other culture shocks orthings getting used to I guess
getting a little bit deeper.

Shasia (35:01):
One thing that I feel like the States is which is
weird, because I feel like hereis all freedom, america is
America freedom.
Yeah, it's the, I don't know.

J.R. (35:11):
So free guys.

Shasia (35:12):
Yeah.

J.R. (35:13):
So free that we have military right now in LA County.

Shasia (35:16):
Right, every fucking corner.
But like everyone, like I feellike of course America wants to,
wants the world to know thatthey are like the freest country
, or whatever To project that.
Yeah, so it was really ironic tofeel like I couldn't really
talk about a lot of topics whenI moved here, because I felt
like people weren't ready tohave those conversations.

(35:38):
And I still feel that way aboutsome certain things Like, for
example, socialism or feminismor like the I don't know the
environment.
There's so many things that Ifeel like the states is so
close-minded about, and I'vetried talking about these topics
with like family, with friends,and it's just so hard for them

(35:59):
to not get defensive about itand I've tried with so many
people, right, and I feel likethat has made it really hard for
me to connect or find likemeaningful connections.
And I think now I'm used to itand I like I've passed the point
that I'm like I can makemeaningful connections
regardless of not being able totalk about these topics with
them.
But at the beginning I struggledso much because I would talk

(36:22):
about these topics so much withmy friends in Mexico, like it's
just a normal conversation thatwe'll have every day, like if we
felt about something specific Idon't know about the government
or about what's happening, likewe would just talk about it
casually.
But I feel like here I have tobe so aware of what I'm telling
to specific people because Ifeel like they might take it the

(36:42):
wrong way or they think I'll bean extremist.
There's just yeah, it's justnot a free country.
I think that makes a lot ofsense, because I think it's just
not a free country.

J.R. (36:49):
I think that makes a lot of sense because I think it's
ingrained in American culturethat it's identity politics is
very prevalent and so with thatis a lot of people who are
rooted in their identity, of whothey think they are, and
therefore any sort of discussionon other topics that attacks
their identity they're soresistant to that.
I think it's just ingrained inthe culture.

Shasia (37:10):
It is, and it's scary in a way, like I just wish that
people were a little bit moreopen-minded about those topics
and I feel like it's so.
As I said, it's so ironicbecause people think they're so
open-minded here, like they likeon instagram or like tiktok,
they'll be like oh yeah, liketalking about these topics.
It's like they're coming upwith new ideas.
Well, these topics wereconversations that I was having

(37:30):
with friends maybe six, sevenyears ago.
Yeah, I guess this is justcatching up.

J.R. (37:34):
Yeah so you are open-minded oh, my god, I was
waiting for it.

Shasia (37:39):
Yeah, I could see that.

J.R. (37:41):
Oh my god sorry, anything, anything else.
I want to switch over to dancea little bit while I have some
time, but anything else on thetopic of culture shock or
anything, okay, so let's go intodance leadership, because I
feel like you have some goodinsights here, probably, and so
what has your experience beenwith dance leading?

(38:01):
And I don't know if it's a goodquestion, but what draws you to
it?
And then the follow-upquestions are like biggest
challenges right.

Shasia (38:07):
So I've been dancing I think since I was like 12.
So when I first started I gotinto K-pop I saw that they had
like cool dances and stuff and Iwanted to learn it Right.
I don't know why or how, I madefriends on Facebook that also
were into K-pop and I kind ofmade like a little group and we

(38:29):
even filmed a video for youtube.
I will not link it dang it.

J.R. (38:35):
I was gonna research you, but she said no.

Shasia (38:36):
So I actually don't know where it's at, but lost media.
But yeah, uh, that was like thefirst group that I made that
got me into dancing and stuff.
And then after that I like metfriends and stuff.
Like just throughout my danceexperience or dance career I've
always gravitated towardsleadership or have been put into

(39:00):
that position without me reallywanting to.
I think it's just because Ihave a big personality, so I
have a big voice and a bigpersonality, so it just like
gravitates towards that.
And then people like startlistening and yeah, it just when
I was younger, it just happened.
It wasn't like somethingplanned.

(39:20):
And after that, like after thefirst groups that I kind of was
leading, I got invited intobigger groups in my hometown
that had more experience.
So in those groups I startedjust as a regular member, right,
but then little by little,because I had insights into I
don't know formations orcleaning stuff like that, I also
started like going up likeleadership wise and then I

(39:42):
decided to create like my owngroup.
Like I feel like the ones thatI did before were just like oh
yeah, we're just a couplefriends that want to want to
dance and are like fangirls andstuff.
But for this one.
I was like I want to make onethat I can actually call my
group and do things that I wantto do and lead us into a
specific direction, like notjust something for fun.
So yeah, I created a group withsome friends the essence we are

(40:06):
also.
We were also on youtube for acouple of years, not active
anymore, but but yeah, thatgroup basically I feel is a
group that gave me the mostexperience leading and I learned
a lot through through thatgroup and also kind of left a
little traumatized.
So when I moved here I was likeI don't want to do any type of

(40:26):
leading, I just want to be likea little sponge and like just
absorb all the information thatI can, learn as much as I can.
And I feel well, maybe youremember, but when I first
joined koreos I was just likelike learning mode like the
whole time.
I was just so focused andtrying to just observe how they
would, like clean stuff or teachus stuff or lead the projects,

(40:47):
like I was just really focusedand, yeah, I just wanted to
learn as much as possible fromthe experience.
And unfortunately, a couplemonths after I joined, a lot of
people left and we were leftwith without a lot of leaders.
So it felt irresponsible of meto not step up if I had the

(41:09):
capability to, at least as anOSL official subunit leader
slash leader in choreos.
And ever since I just keptgetting more and more
responsibilities because I feltlike I had to.
I wanted to pass down thatknowledge to other people.
Like I felt like it was selfishto keep that information to

(41:30):
myself, knowledge to otherpeople Like I felt like it was
selfish to keep that informationto myself.

J.R. (41:37):
That makes sense.
So, over the course of yourleadership experience, one thing
that I would love to know issome of the biggest lessons that
you've learned or takeawaysthat you've helped that you
could pass along to futureleaders or people who, I guess,
learn from your mistakes, orsomething like that.

Shasia (41:50):
Well, as I said, I always had a big personality and
big voice.
I feel like when I was younger,I was not as good listening.
I was stuck on like being rightor like wanting to be right or
wanting things to be in my way,and maybe I didn't really see it
that way at that time.
But now, like looking back, I'mlike, oh yeah, maybe I was just

(42:11):
stuck on wanting to do thingsthat way that I wanted to do
them.
Sometimes I still like that,but I feel I definitely have
learned to lead with empathyearly, by understanding other
people first and then trying toadjust to the situation.
Because of that, yeah, I feellike a lot of leaders I've
encountered lack empathy or arenot really good of having

(42:34):
situational awareness.
Like I think it's good to havegoals and have expectations of a
project, but like you also haveto be realistic and see when
your teammates are not in theposition to fulfill your
expectations.
So you also have to adjust tothem and see what they need from
you, not just what you wantfrom this project, if that makes

(42:55):
sense.

J.R. (42:56):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
You were OSL of the year forhow many years in a row?
I think two In my head it's beenlike four, I don't know.
Yeah, shasia is just atestament to someone from the
outside.
I don't know.
Shasia is a really good leader,so practice is what she

(43:18):
preaches.
I think most people who are ina cover with shasi have a good
experience, because not only isshe very competent at what she
does and I read through all ofthe retroforms, it's what she's
saying the empathy, thelistening, the awareness and
leading with that in that sortof perspective, I feel like,
creates a good experience forpeople and that's what I also
always want to achieve from acover right.

Shasia (43:34):
All I want is for people to.
I think before I all I wantedis for us to feel proud about it
.
Now all I want is for us to havea good experience from it it's
not just proud of the end result, but also enjoying the whole
process yeah, yeah, andsometimes the end result has to
like not be as good for us to beable to enjoy that process, and
I know that doesn't align witheveryone, but I think after

(43:57):
years, I just think that is moreimportant, like the experience,
rather than just making a greatcover.
Or if I do have in mind that Iwant, like an amazing cover,
like I need to make that clearfor my team members as well,
like from the beginning, noteven like after we just started,
but like from the before.
We have who is being in thecover, like the cast before,

(44:19):
like I want them to know thatthese are the expectations for
this cover.
So if you're not mentally there, then maybe this is not the
cover for you to do, but Ireally want to push us a little
bit further for this specificproject.
But, yeah, being transparent.

J.R. (44:33):
I think is also important.
Yeah, I like that a lot.
I don't want to add anything tothat, because I would have said
the exact same things that shejust said.
I think setting expectations upfront is super important yeah
we are at the time for rapidfire questions, but do you have
anything else on leadership,dance leadership or things that
people can take away from yourexperience?

Shasia (44:48):
I think just don't take things too seriously in general,
anything.

J.R. (44:54):
In life.

Shasia (44:55):
Yeah, in life I feel like there's this one thing,
that is like this one sentencethat is oh my God, life is
meaningless.
But then also, oh my God, lifeis meaningless.
It's nice to know that there isno meaning and you can do
whatever you want with it.
It's not that serious.
It never is that serious.
And yeah that's all I think.

(45:17):
Perfect, okay, ready for rapidfire.

J.R. (45:18):
Sure wait, so exciting, okay.
Well, the first one isbillboard questions.
So if you could put up a signfor millions of people to see
metaphorically, what would itsay?

Shasia (45:27):
non-commercial maybe a little because of the situation.
Probably no one is illegal onstolen land.
I like it.

J.R. (45:39):
What is one of the hardest challenges you face in your
life and what did you learn fromit?

Shasia (45:43):
I think definitely, as I mentioned, like the one year
and a half that I was unemployed, but I feel like I already
talked about it.

J.R. (45:48):
Yeah, I like it.
If you could redo one thing,what would you do?

Shasia (45:53):
I think I like to stand by all of my mistakes.

J.R. (45:58):
Okay, it's a thought experiment.
Okay, we'll move on.
What about if you could giveyour younger self advice?
What would it be, any age?

Shasia (46:07):
Loosen up, like it's not that serious.
There you go.

J.R. (46:11):
In the last few years, what new belief, behavior or
habit has improved your life themost?

Shasia (46:16):
I think, trying to live in the moment.
I'm still working on it, but Ithink it's important to not
think too much about the futureor the past.
Just enjoy what you're goingthrough right now.
You're only going to go throughonce.

J.R. (46:28):
Enjoy what you're going through Negative, positive,
whatever, but it's just being inthe moment.
Yeah, enjoy what you're goingthrough Negative, positive,
whatever, but it's just being inthe moment.
Yeah, how do you define success?

Shasia (46:36):
Feeling content with what you're doing.
Yeah, whatever it is, itdoesn't matter if you're not
doing much, if you're justlaying on your couch for one day
just watching TV.
If you feel content, I thinkthat's successful.

J.R. (46:48):
Very Zen, very Buddhist answers.
Shazia, I like it.
If you knew you couldn't fail,what would you be doing or
trying right now?

Shasia (46:57):
Probably opening a cafe, yeah.

J.R. (47:03):
What kind of cafe?
What's the vision of this cafe?
I?

Shasia (47:06):
don't know.
I just always romanticize theidea of having like your little
shop and just being able to runit very casually, like not too
capitalist, I guess.

J.R. (47:16):
Yeah, I only said that because that's also one of my
bucket list dreams.
Same with aiden we want to justhave our own cafe, not to make
a ton of money like in my headit would barely break even, but
for me it's just a space for thecommunity and then just like
the vibes, right yeah if youknew you would absolutely fail,
what would you do anyway?

Shasia (47:35):
I feel like I already do it, but just dancing.
Yeah, I feel like I alreadyfail, but, but yeah, just
continue to do what I love,regardless of the result I like
it.

J.R. (47:45):
What is something that you've been pondering either
frequently or deeply?

Shasia (47:49):
I feel like for the past like five years, just the
meaning of life.
I'm still trying to figure itout.
I was gonna ask.

J.R. (47:54):
So what did you figure out ?
What's the answer?

Shasia (47:57):
like the answer is that there is no meaning, as I said
okay and I'm trying to makepeace with that and just enjoy
it for whatever it is.

J.R. (48:06):
Yeah, do you have any favorite hot takes?

Shasia (48:10):
I feel like I'll get canceled if I say things as I
said.

J.R. (48:16):
I feel like what are the topic areas?

Shasia (48:18):
feminism for sure.

J.R. (48:20):
Okay, and then socialism for sure wait, so you're
pro-feminism just the type offeminism that I like, the grade
of feminism I see, I see, yeah,okay, so we're not ready for the
grade yet.

Shasia (48:33):
Yeah.

J.R. (48:35):
That's fair.
What is one of the best or mostworthwhile investments you've
ever made in either time money,energy or et cetera?
Don't say living in the moment.
You said that already.

Shasia (48:44):
No, I was going to take something like literal.

J.R. (48:46):
Okay.

Shasia (48:47):
I have a couch that I thought about a lot buying it or
not, but I decided to get it,even though it was a little
pricey, because I was like Ifeel like I need just a place to
sit and I spend all my life onit, so I'm grateful for that.

J.R. (49:00):
What do you like about the couch?

Shasia (49:02):
So I guess TMI, but my bed is like a loft bed, so I
wanted a space for me to just beable to chill and a place for
me to just sleep.
Oh, and I think that separatesit really nicely and, yeah, I
think my life has a better whatis it schedule pattern because
of it.

J.R. (49:22):
Yeah, yeah, first time I got couch all right.
Favorite recent relativelycheap purchase that's impacted
your life the most so I wasthinking about this.

Shasia (49:32):
Lately I've been getting into buying probiotic sodas I
have huh, yeah, okay so I thinkwhen I first moved here, I was
really into boba, like reallyinto boba, and I, as I grow
older, I am trying to find likehealthier habits and I am also
just not craving sweets as much,so that's age.

(49:55):
Yeah, yeah, I remember ustalking about this when we just
met and I was like sugar givesyou headaches.
I don't really like, what doesthat mean?
And now I'm like oh.

J.R. (50:04):
So when we met, you were not old and now you are.
You've crossed over to.

Shasia (50:07):
Yeah, I think so, but yeah, anyways, when I'm just
craving something sweet and Iknow that I want to just have a
drink, I think a lot of timespeople just want to have a drink
, like on their hand or like onthe road or whatever.
Boba is a great go-to, but ithas so much sugar and so many
calories and sometimes I justwant, I don't want to consume
all that, I just want a littledrink and I want a little bit of

(50:28):
flavor.
And yeah, probiotics, I don'tthink they work, like I don't
think they have probiotics.
Sue me, I don't know yeah butit's just a little drink that I
like the taste experience ofdrinking it.
Yeah, so it's nothing aboutprobiotic soda that I would like
to hope that it does havesomething to do like.

J.R. (50:43):
I'm sure it's healthy, but I just like it I'm sure it's
not healthy.

Shasia (50:47):
I wish it was healthier than boba I guess yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, not as yeah, not asbad, I don't know.
If I just don't want to drinkwater, then I'll drink.

J.R. (50:55):
That's fair, okay.
Last one Favorite books, movies, videos, articles, media or
anything else that you share orrecommend the most.

Shasia (51:02):
So I'm a big like YouTube like Consumer.
Yeah, consumer, I don't reallywatch a lot of long-term media
like movies, or I don't readthat much honestly either, but I
like a lot of commentaryyoutubers like curtis, connor,
danny gonzalez commentating onwhat sometimes it's just like

(51:23):
stupid movies that are onlineright, and other times it's a
little more like on society orlike specific topics and it's
also like comedy, so it's fun.
Also, lately I've been intosmosh.
I know a lot of people used towatch smosh when they were
younger.
I only started watching smoshlike maybe two years ago and
they're pretty funny.
I think something I wanted todo for the past year was to stay

(51:47):
away from tiktok a little bitmore because the brain rot.
I think I still scroll, butnaturally I've gravitated a
little bit further away fromthat and watching things that
are a little more like midlength yeah yeah, it's a little
bit better for my brain and it'sa good way to distract myself
from things that I want to see,because I feel like on tiktok,

(52:07):
yeah, you're laughing like onesecond and the next one you're
like crying and the next one,you're like mad because of
what's happening.
Roller coaster of emotions sosometimes I don't want to go
through that, I just want tohave fun.
I don't want to, I don't want.
I want to escape from reality,and I think smash helps me yeah
okay, that is it for rapid firequestions.

J.R. (52:26):
We'll go into any questions, so we end with
gratitude shout out to my mom.
So, shasia, what are yougrateful for?

Shasia (52:32):
I'm grateful for life.
Yeah, I am grateful for myfriends, for the meaningful
connections I've done this year,for the meaningful connections
that I've been able to keep forthe years that I've been here,
and also for the friends thatI've been able to still maintain
from mexico.
Yeah, grateful for my family,of course, for choreos, for

(52:54):
playground and, yeah, I thinkthose are for my dogs, but
they're my family.

J.R. (53:00):
So, yeah, yeah I like it all right.
Do you have any final ask fromthe audience or any final
takeaways you'd like them tohave from this conversation?

Shasia (53:07):
just speak and live your truth, whatever that means for
you.
Try to not fit into what otherpeople want from you, and also
don't stress too much about whatthat is.
If you don't know what it isyet, I think you will grow into
it, and we're also changingbeings.
So if what you like now is notwhat you liked maybe five years

(53:31):
ago, that is completely okay,and it's okay to embrace change
as well.
Nice, I like it.

J.R. (53:37):
Okay, shazia, where can we find you if people want to
connect or see what you're up to?

Shasia (53:40):
so I'm on instagram like dancing shazia and on youtube I
think it's just shazia, ringleor rankel, whatever you yeah
however, you want to pronounceit when you read it yeah, but
yeah cool, all right.

J.R. (53:54):
Well, that is it.
Thank you, shasi, for beinghere.
I really appreciate it yeah, Ithink this was a really good
conversation, as expected.
I think you gave some reallygood answers unique answers too,
so not surprised.
So I'll do my final sign off.
Thank you guys for being here.
Be sure to like, follow,subscribe whatever you want,
comment below.
Below, give Shasta some love.
Tell us what you liked aboutthis.
And yeah, reminders Always bekind to other people, especially

(54:18):
yourself, and remember that youcan always learn something from
someone if you take the time tolisten.
So thanks for being here.

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