September 15, 2025 • 9 mins
Tiffany Villalobos comes to Outlaw Wisdom to share her journey as an actor and filmmaker in Los Angeles. From her early acting days to founding AllThisTV (named for her initials, not television), she reveals the creative drive that pushes artists to constantly make something new despite the challenges.
The conversation takes an unexpectedly deep turn as Tiffany and Drew reflect on their years-long friendship that began with a casting call in 2018. What started with Drew calling out Tiffany's reserved nature during their first meeting evolved into a bond that would prove essential during some of life's darkest moments. "We've come a long way over these years," Drew notes, "I've grown as a person. I think you've grown as a person."
As a witness to Drew's extraordinary resilience through a serious accident and subsequent five-year legal battle, Tiffany offers rare insight into why he earned nicknames like "the white knight" and "the man of steel." Her outside perspective validates what many listeners have questioned: How does someone walk away from being hit by a truck at 30 mph and maintain such resolve through years of challenges? "You always have the mentality that you can do it, so you will do it," Tiffany explains, capturing the essence of Drew's approach to seemingly insurmountable obstacles.
Both creative perfectionists openly discuss their struggles with self-criticism, with Tiffany admitting she cringes watching her performances and Drew confessing similar feelings about his writing. This vulnerability reveals the universal creative struggle—how even accomplished professionals battle self-doubt while continuing to create.
The episode concludes with a look at Tiffany's current projects, including "The Last Box," a short film exploring lingering feelings between ex-partners during a final belonging's pickup. Like many creative endeavors, it represents both a current artistic expression and a potential seed for larger projects based on audience reception.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Outlaw Wisdom.
Outlaw Wisdom TiffanyVillalobos comes to Outlaw
Wisdom to share memorablestories from her career as a
filmmaker and entrepreneur.
But that's only the beginning.
Go beyond the hardened facadeof a broken man and listen as
Tiffany presents to listeners atruth which Drew has long denied
.
With first-hand accounts,Tiffany will tell listeners
(00:24):
about the fabled white knightand expose the moment that Drew
took his tragedy and turned itinto triumph.
This is Outlaw Wisdom.
Let's begin, shall we?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Tiffany, how are you today?
Welcome to Outlaw Wisdom.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm doing well, Drew.
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Tell our listeners a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
My name is Tiffany Villalobos.
I'm an actor here in LosAngeles.
I've been mainly just acting.
It wasn't that long after thatI met you, drew, but, yeah, I've
been acting since then.
And then, around 2020, Istarted my production company
called Aldis TV, which Drew tookyou, however, many years to
(01:06):
figure out that the TV wasn'tfor television.
It was for Tiffany Villalobos.
People just assume that TVmeans television, but it is
actually Tiffany Villalobos,because originally it was just
like videos for YouTube, notnecessarily catered to me, but
because it was my thing.
Tv was for Tiffany Villalobos.
When you're just creative ingeneral and you're surrounded by
creative people, you just wantto make things.
(01:27):
You get that.
You're always wanting to dosomething.
Hopefully it keeps expanding,because I would like to do more
bigger projects like actualseries and independent films,
things like that, in the future.
That would be great.
Well, don't you have a little?
something in the works, It'd begreat Well don't you have a
little something in the works?
Yeah, that originally startedoff as just like an audio series
(01:47):
, mainly because I just kind ofwanted to tell a story and do
something, and the easiest wayto do that without having a huge
budget would be to do audio.
So, and and I've always lovedGreek mythology, I don't know
why I've always been obsessedwith it and I wanted to tell
(02:09):
stories in my own way with Greekmythology.
And, yeah, I haven't done.
It hasn't gotten to the pointwhere I want it to be yet, but
hopefully soon it's more, moremy thing where I haven't haven't
, uh, I haven't been asmotivated as it should be to, uh
, to get that into the next step, but yeah, I can't, I can't
(02:33):
imagine that all too well oh,yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah
, but eventually we have to findsome sort of even.
like, when you're not motivated,you just kind of have to do it
and I don't know, I think I justhaven't been just doing it and
I need to.
I think it's also like writingsomething that's based off of
(02:57):
something in Greek mythology andwanting to write it without it
sounding super modern.
For me has been the challenge,like the vernacular and the way
people would speak needs to seemcloser to then than to now, and
you know, like how weabbreviate everything here and
(03:20):
speak slang and things like that.
And yeah, so like that.
That.
That for me, I think, has beenthe challenge.
That and I I've laid it out forlike, because I want it to be
episodic, and I think I've madean outline myself of like 12 or
13 episodes and it's that's alot to write, and I think I'm
(03:44):
looking more at, like, thepicture where I'm like oh gosh,
12 episodes, I need to writethat many, but I should be
thinking smaller of like okay,just write the first one and
then just keep going.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I think the same thing happens to me when
I'm like oh man, I got to write250 pages for this next book and
it's kind of like a curse and ablessing at the same time.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, Especially when you know that there's like an
obscene amount of things thatyou need to get on paper.
Quote unquote Right.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Right?
Well, I mean, you and I areboth perfectionists, so I'll sit
there and reread what I'vewritten a hundred times and say,
no, that's no good, I got to doit again.
So you know we share that incommon.
But tell listeners about thisrecent thing you did at the
Beacon.
Are you allowed to talk about?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
that I think.
So I just don't think I cangive like the details of it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Did you sign an NDA?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
If you didn't sign an NDA.
You're all clear on that one.
You know what I did not, and Iwill tell Deji that he didn't
make me sign an NDA.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
You're in the clear on that.
Nobody can come after you and,by the way, deji already knows
what's going to happen if hecomes after you or comes after
me.
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Right, right, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And bad things will happen.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, no.
The beacon yeah, it's not notmy project.
That was something where I wasjust acting in it, but I think
Deji did value my opinion onthings as far as like script and
character goes, and I don'twant to give too much detail
about it, but I guess it's kindof like a futuristic sci fi
(05:23):
proof of concept for a fulllength feature that he wants to
do.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Right, I mean, I remember I referenced it as
comparable to the video gameDeath Stranding with Norma
Reedus, so the artwork andimagery was very similar to that
.
So you know, riding that wave,I think it can go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But tell people who Deji is.
By the way, deji is, I guessyou could say, like an
up-and-coming director.
He's directed a few thingsmostly shorts and some music
videos, I believe but he'strying to grow and expand
himself and his knowledge andhis experience.
So he's been trying to do morelike independent features, which
(06:08):
is why we did this proofconcept, which I saw a rough cut
like his initial, like assemblycut.
I haven't seen anything afterthat and let me tell you we are
all our own worst critics.
I cringe every time I watch myacting because, I just, yeah, I
(06:29):
mean even with your stuff, drew.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
like you know what we shot last time you never told
me that, that you're like youknow, cringing when you see,
cause I do the same thing I like.
I'm like Tom Cruise.
I can never watch anything.
I ever do.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I, I try not to , because I'm always going to
doubt my ability and I'm alwayslike God, I could have done that
so much better, or I shouldhave made this choice instead.
And I think, just you know,creative people do that in
general with their work, whetherthat be acting, directing,
writing, whatever it is.
I think we're all always goingto question how well we executed
(07:05):
something and I, I will alwaysautomatically be like no, I
could have done better, right.
Even though other other peoplemight not see it that way, I,
I'm always going to Right.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, you, you know, like I talked to you, I talked
to you back in day about when Ireleased the book and how I
thought it was for lack of abetter term, like you know
unreadable because it was.
So it was an angry book and itwas very cryptic and morbid.
But, you know, on the flip sideof that, people love that book
and they read, read, they readit all over the world and it's
shocking to me, you know.
So it's I can relate to, likehow you feel about watching
(07:42):
yourself and being a critic and,you know, not feeling that
you've done the best jobpossible.
But you know, in retrospectthough, I mean what we've worked
on together.
Everybody always says Tiffanywas great, drew, you suck.
So you know.
Hey, you know, maybe Ishouldn't play myself in the
future.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I don't think it matters, like if you enjoy if
you enjoy what you're doing.
I don't think it matters likeif you enjoy.
If you enjoy what you're doing,I don't think it matters very
much yeah exactly, exactly.
But yeah, I, yeah.
Whatever you're, I thinkwhatever you're passionate about
, if you're putting it out therefor other people to see, you're
always going to question howwell it's received right,
exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
True words have never been spoken, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So tell listeners how you and Imet.
That's like that's the wholebook in itself on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I know.
No, we.
I don't remember the year Iwant to say it might've been
2018 or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, just to refresh your memory, tiffany, not to
interrupt you, but it was twomonths before I got run over by
the pickup truck, so it was likeSeptember of 2018.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I feel like it was longer before that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Was it really?
I don't know, maybe I could bewrong, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I thought so.
I don't know, maybe I'll lookthrough my old emails and see if
I can find like our original.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh, you keep those emails.
Oh wow, I got to be careful.
That's blackmail right there.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
No, but we originally met because I had seen a
casting call that you had putout and I think I just had
submitted like a headshot.
I don't even think I had aresume at that point, I'm not
sure.
But yeah, I submitted myheadshot and maybe don't even
think I had a resume at thatpoint, I'm not sure.
But yeah, I submitted myheadshot and maybe wrote a
little bit about me and myexperience.
(09:30):
And then you asked for like alike a video audition and you
sent me a little bit of stuff todo.
So, sent that in.
Yeah, yeah, I had.
Yeah, I did so.
Sent that in.
Yeah, oh, wow, yeah, I did it.
I don't remember what the scenewas or anything like that.
(09:53):
Obviously it was for the roleof Amber and yeah, I sent the
audition and I think it wasthrough the email that you said
I had gotten the part, and thenI don't know how much longer it
(10:14):
was after that, but then we hadlike a photo shoot or something.
Yeah, which was supposed to befor a book cover On the green
screen.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, we scratched that book cover and went with
like 3D realistic.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think too we might have done
a little bit of a script to readthrough when we were there.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I believe we did.
I think that was with the scenewith Aubrey as the adopted
daughter.
I believe, yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, yeah, adopted daughter.
I believe, yeah, I believe so,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I always ask guests thatknow me to, to, kind of like,
give their honest opinion of mewhen they first met me.
So what, what did you think ofme as I don't know, as a person,
as a professional, I know, backthen I was still driving trucks
, so I was like all over thecountry back then.
Yeah, like you know what, what,what were your first
(11:08):
impressions of me taking?
A poll here.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm taking a poll, by the way yeah, yeah, I mean I
think I don't know.
You seem like a, like a genuineperson.
The first time we met you, youeven called me out.
Actually, when I did, I gotthere.
Yeah, because I I got therefairly early.
(11:34):
You know if you're early or ontime.
If you're on time, you're late.
But I had gotten there prettyearly and you were already there
and they hadn't unlocked thespace yet.
So we were kind of just liketalking out in the front and
someone else showed up I can'tremember who it might've been
(11:55):
the photographer, the makeuplady and I wasn't very talkative
, like I'm not a very talkativeperson right off the bat, like I
, I feel like I need to get toknow people.
I'm not, I'm not an extrovert.
So I kind of like you guys werelike everyone was kind of like
(12:16):
talking back and forth.
It was like you and adam,whoever this other person was
and everyone kind of just likeyou know, started showing up and
everyone's having aconversation.
I kind of was just likestanding there observing and
then, at one point, you were theone taking the notes.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
What was that?
I said you were the one takingthe notes, right?
You're going to report back tothe big boss, right?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
So everyone was kind of justhaving a conversation.
I'm kind of just standing thereand then you kind of just
turned away and looked at me andyou were like I can't remember
exactly what you said, but itwas like something along the
lines of just like, like, likewhat you you can't even like
(13:05):
like have like during theconversation with us.
Like you didn't even hug mewhen you came up and I was like
really, and then I was a fuckingasshole.
You should have fucking told meto shut my mouth well, I was
like I don't even know you, soyou yeah, but you threw it at me
and I hit it right back at you.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I.
I don't remember that part, butthe irony to that story is that
we've come a long way sincethen, right, you and I, and we
become closer, and you know Ialways tell people that you're
family.
So yeah you know, I guess youknow bumps in the road or bumps
in the road, but I think that wewere a lot closer now and the
two of us have gone through alot of shit together.
(13:46):
You know, I mean right you were,you would, you were there
through those whatever five anda half, six years of me fighting
with all that legal shit and onand off the phone with Seth,
and you know, I have to say, youknow, looking back on all that,
you know, I think that was agodsend for me back then,
because I didn't have thatsupport network, you know, and
(14:09):
you know, who knows, maybe thatwas the reason for it all.
I mean, if you want to believein that kind of thing, you know.
But so yeah, I mean, excuse me.
So yeah, I, I mean I value ourfriendship and our relationship
and you know, I think we, youknow we have a lot in common,
especially coffee.
The two of us are coffee themes.
(14:30):
You're the one that turned meon to Starbucks, by the way, and
gotta blame you for that one,because I'm going broke on that
shit.
You know that right.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That's not my fault, it's not your fault.
You gotta learn some selfcontrol.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, the chai's, the chai's do it every time.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I thought you couldn't have chai anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I can't.
So you know, I'm having fakechai's sugar, free shit, and it
tastes like garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
It's garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, but no, I mean, we came a long way over these
years.
I've grown as a person.
I think you've grown as aperson and unfortunately, the
world's on fire, but you know,we just gotta take it day by day
.
So let's, let's talk about whatyou're.
(15:19):
What's going on now?
What are you working on?
Anything?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, aside from the audio thing.
Oh, I guess.
Yeah, I did shoot that onething with Deji, that I wrote
that script, I sent you, I didshoot that.
But that was more of like likeI just wanted to do something
because you know when you'rethat was.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That was like, that was what'd you call it again the
last box or something like thatyeah, yeah, the last box oh
sorry, did I breachconfidentiality.
I apologize.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
No, it don't matter.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and that wasmore so.
Just, yeah, I wanted to dosomething and just get something
out there to show that I'mstill working and I'm trying to
stay active as an actor.
But it kind of was just like ascene of something Right.
(16:14):
Right, I guess I'll see howwell it's received if people
would like to see a follow-up.
But it kind of starts not evenmid-story.
I feel like there could be aprequel if people like it and
there could be a sequel ifpeople like it.
But yeah, like it, and therecould be a sequel if people like
(16:38):
it.
Um, but yeah, and that'sessentially.
The last box is about a couplethat broke up and the ex comes
to get her last box of stufffrom the apartment and they kind
of have a small little heart toheart and realize that they're
still lingering feelings thereand it ends very open-ended.
(17:01):
Something could come of it,something could not.
So, right, yeah, like I said,it was basically just a scene.
I think daji's editing it now.
Oh, really really.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So the one guy that you don't want to ask me to edit
that shit, huh, wow, okay, Isee you now.
I see where it is.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
No, Deji wanted to edit it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, me and Deji are going to have to have a talk,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, no, because he directed it, he wanted to edit
it, so it still had the samefeel, I guess.
But I got you, don't worryabout it.
But I think he's also stilldoing stuff with the beacon,
because I think there are a fewthings that they need to like,
do some pickups, so I thinkthey're still working on it.
(17:49):
So I wouldn't doubt it if thelast box came out before the
beacon.
But yeah, so working on thatnow.
And it's funny, I actually justhad an idea for something the
other week, so I started writingsomething and I was like, huh,
okay, I'll see where this goesand I think, what I might do,
(18:12):
because you know me, I have likea million different ideas and.
I can't do them all at once.
So I think what I want to do ismaybe do like a proof of
concept of each one and seewhich one kind of gets the
(18:34):
better, and see which one kindof gets the better, like a
better reaction from you know,the audience or whatever, which
one's better received, and thencarry on that particular one
from there.
So it's like, if I have, youknow, three different ideas,
I'll shoot three different proofof concepts, put them out there
(18:56):
and whichever one people seemto like the most, then I'll
build on that one.
Right, right, right.
So I've been thinking of thatlately.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So I want to step it back for a little bit and a lot
of people have always asked meover the years, you know, about
what it was like to go throughall that trauma following, you
know, not not only with theaccident, but you know the shit
in New York that I wrote about,I keep writing about, and I know
that you were there for a lotof it.
(19:29):
I know you were, you were privyto a lot of information, not all
of it, but just to kind of givelisteners like a, like an
impression, me and my resolve.
Like how would you, how wouldyou describe those years?
Was it like a never endingstory?
Did it seem like it was goingto go on forever?
My no less may.
You made the comment to me thatyou were scared because I was
(19:52):
in the hospital following theblood clot.
So I'm just trying to getpeople an impression of me and
you know, because I've alwaysbeen accused of like caring more
about other people than myselfand you know, I just want to get
your insight into that, beingsomebody that was there for a
lot of it, right?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
For a lot of it.
Right.
I think you kind of said themain thing there Of like it
seemed like it was just going onforever, like and no, no fault
to your own.
I don't think it wasnecessarily anything that you
could have done differently, itwas more so.
(20:31):
You know the other People orwhatever involved that just you
know the other people orwhatever involved that just kept
, you know, dawdling anddragging their feet and dragging
it out for however long it waswhat five years or something
like that no-transcript.
(21:10):
Right, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I don't, I don't, I don't take kindly to the people
that want to put me into aprecarious position, you know,
especially when other people'slives and livelihood is on the
line, you know so because Ibring this up because I bring?
I bring this up because a lot ofpeople have always asked me
about, like, why did I get thenickname the white night back in
(21:33):
the day, and I'd be veryreluctant to talk about that.
And I tell people, read thebooks as they come out and
you'll know why.
But you know, and I think I'vesaid this to you numerous times
over the years, that we seem tofollow in the same footsteps,
you and I, the same path in life.
And I think you know, when Itry to explain to people, like
when I see somebody else goingthrough like similar
(21:54):
circumstances that I did, I tendto intervene because I try to
keep them from going down thatpath, because that was a very
hard path for me and it still isin some regard.
So you know, I mean you, you sawme at the good, the bad and the
ugly.
You saw me before the accident,during the accident, after the
accident, and then you know,with that bullshit last year,
(22:14):
during the accident, after theaccident, and then you know,
with that bullshit last year,and it's just it's.
I like to get other people'sopinions because people like
Drew, I don't know how you didthis and how do you do this
alone, and not that I'm alone,but you know I don't have.
You know I don't have familyout in California and it's hard.
You know what I mean?
It's hard.
(22:38):
So all I got right now layingunder my feet is baby Leeloo and
I don't think she could do muchother than like bite someone in
the ass if they got, you know,in my way, right?
So I just like to get otherpeople's input, you know,
because a lot of people findthat story to be like hard to
believe and unbelievable.
You know how do you get runover at 30 miles an hour and
walk away Like nothing happened.
So but that's why they call methe man of steel, you know.
(23:00):
Yeah, so I always like I alwayslike to get people to interject
, but listeners to, you know,give them more, better exposure
from a different perspectivethan my own, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, no, I think, regardlessof whatever situation you're in,
you always have a lot ofresolve and determination and I
don't think you ever think thatyou can't do something.
I think no matter what it is,you always have the mentality
(23:35):
that you can do it, so you willdo it exactly the less that
power as they say, right yeah,yeah, exactly which yeah.
The more you know you, you getback what you put out into the
world and exactly the more, themore positivity you have of
(23:56):
yourself and your situation andwhere you're at in life.
It only be positive like you.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Don't let the negative thoughts really get to
you there's enough negativityout there, as as it is from
other people, so you know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't want to be.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't want to be my own worst enemy.
You know I've been there before.
I put up with that.
I've dealt with that and youknow I try to instill that
wisdom in people like you.
You know people that I'm closeto and not everybody takes to
that.
Some people, you know, push meaway but hey away, but hey look,
you know everybody's entitledto their, their own opinions
(24:39):
yeah to each their own so isthere anything that you would
like to tell the listeners tolook out for?
you got a website you want topromote, or you just want to let
them find it on their own?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
They can find it on their own.
Your listeners are smart.
No, I'm just kidding.
I mean, you could just look foranything.
That's all this TV.
All one word, if you, whichI've come to find, if you space
it out, you're not finding it.
I don't know why, like ifyou're on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Don't be Drew, don't do what drew did.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, no, yeah, you can look up anything, that's
yeah, all this TV or my.
You can look at my Instagram.
My at is Tiffany Lobos, you cansee.
So actually, no, I haven'tposted anything in a long time
and I was thinking about thatthey found out, maybe, like last
month.
I was like damn, it's been, Ithink, a couple of years since I
(25:43):
posted something.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm not super active on social media is what it is.
Well, don't look a gift horsein the mouth.
That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
What I'm saying is like I think back in the day I
was more concerned about it.
But as I'm saying is like I, Ithink back in the day I was more
concerned about it, but as I'mgetting old like yeah, whatever,
it's just social media.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, right, but you know my feelings about social
media.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, but for those who are, you know, social media
savvy and like those, like, likethat kind of of thing, you can
check out my instagram.
I don't do like twitter orwhatever they tiktok or anything
(26:24):
like that.
I'm basically.
I'm basically like a grandpa,all right.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, you know if people want to learn more about
you, I'm sure they'll they'll godigging All right.
Well, you know, if people wantto learn more about you, I'm
sure they'll go digging.
Yeah, but I appreciate yourtime and your input and, you
know, hopefully we'll see you onthe big screen in the near
future.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think we will, though I got good feelings about
that.
Yeah, Thanks for having me forone.
I know we've been trying to getthis done for a little bit, but
happy to to do this with youand, yeah, I think eventually
we'll both have things out therethat are going to be bigger and
(27:10):
better.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, can't, can't go .
You know like the old sayinggoes can only go up.
You know, just can't go.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know if the old saying goes can only go up.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know, just uh, you know, gotta, gotta, gotta
get beyond this nonsense goingon in the world right now and
once, once things come back tonormal, I think the floodgates
will open, you know yeah, yeah,I agree but yeah, so great to
have you, tiffany, and I lookforward to maybe having you back
(27:39):
on in the near future yeah, forsure, I'd be happy to do that
great well, have a great weekendand we'll talk to you soon
thanks, jerry.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Have a good weekend too you too, bye, bye.
Welcome to Outlaw Wisdom.
Outlaw Wisdom TiffanyVillalobos comes to Outlaw
Wisdom to share memorablestories from her career as a
filmmaker and entrepreneur.
But that's only the beginning.
Go beyond the hardened facadeof a broken man and listen as
Tiffany presents to listeners atruth which Drew has long denied
.
With first-hand accounts,Tiffany will tell listeners
(00:24):
about the fabled white knightand expose the moment that Drew
took his tragedy and turned itinto triumph.
This is Outlaw Wisdom.
Let's begin, shall we?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Tiffany, how are you today?
Welcome to Outlaw Wisdom.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm doing well, Drew.
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Tell our listeners a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
My name is Tiffany Villalobos.
I'm an actor here in LosAngeles.
I've been mainly just acting.
It wasn't that long after thatI met you, drew, but, yeah, I've
been acting since then.
And then, around 2020, Istarted my production company
called Aldis TV, which Drew tookyou, however, many years to
(01:06):
figure out that the TV wasn'tfor television.
It was for Tiffany Villalobos.
People just assume that TVmeans television, but it is
actually Tiffany Villalobos,because originally it was just
like videos for YouTube, notnecessarily catered to me, but
because it was my thing.
Tv was for Tiffany Villalobos.
When you're just creative ingeneral and you're surrounded by
creative people, you just wantto make things.
(01:27):
You get that.
You're always wanting to dosomething.
Hopefully it keeps expanding,because I would like to do more
bigger projects like actualseries and independent films,
things like that, in the future.
That would be great.
Well, don't you have a little?
something in the works, It'd begreat Well don't you have a
little something in the works?
Yeah, that originally startedoff as just like an audio series
(01:47):
, mainly because I just kind ofwanted to tell a story and do
something, and the easiest wayto do that without having a huge
budget would be to do audio.
So, and and I've always lovedGreek mythology, I don't know
why I've always been obsessedwith it and I wanted to tell
(02:09):
stories in my own way with Greekmythology.
And, yeah, I haven't done.
It hasn't gotten to the pointwhere I want it to be yet, but
hopefully soon it's more, moremy thing where I haven't haven't
, uh, I haven't been asmotivated as it should be to, uh
, to get that into the next step, but yeah, I can't, I can't
(02:33):
imagine that all too well oh,yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah
, but eventually we have to findsome sort of even.
like, when you're not motivated,you just kind of have to do it
and I don't know, I think I justhaven't been just doing it and
I need to.
I think it's also like writingsomething that's based off of
(02:57):
something in Greek mythology andwanting to write it without it
sounding super modern.
For me has been the challenge,like the vernacular and the way
people would speak needs to seemcloser to then than to now, and
you know, like how weabbreviate everything here and
(03:20):
speak slang and things like that.
And yeah, so like that.
That.
That for me, I think, has beenthe challenge.
That and I I've laid it out forlike, because I want it to be
episodic, and I think I've madean outline myself of like 12 or
13 episodes and it's that's alot to write, and I think I'm
(03:44):
looking more at, like, thepicture where I'm like oh gosh,
12 episodes, I need to writethat many, but I should be
thinking smaller of like okay,just write the first one and
then just keep going.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I think the same thing happens to me when
I'm like oh man, I got to write250 pages for this next book and
it's kind of like a curse and ablessing at the same time.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, Especially when you know that there's like an
obscene amount of things thatyou need to get on paper.
Quote unquote Right.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Right?
Well, I mean, you and I areboth perfectionists, so I'll sit
there and reread what I'vewritten a hundred times and say,
no, that's no good, I got to doit again.
So you know we share that incommon.
But tell listeners about thisrecent thing you did at the
Beacon.
Are you allowed to talk about?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
that I think.
So I just don't think I cangive like the details of it.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Did you sign an NDA?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
If you didn't sign an NDA.
You're all clear on that one.
You know what I did not, and Iwill tell Deji that he didn't
make me sign an NDA.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
You're in the clear on that.
Nobody can come after you and,by the way, deji already knows
what's going to happen if hecomes after you or comes after
me.
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Right, right, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And bad things will happen.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, no.
The beacon yeah, it's not notmy project.
That was something where I wasjust acting in it, but I think
Deji did value my opinion onthings as far as like script and
character goes, and I don'twant to give too much detail
about it, but I guess it's kindof like a futuristic sci fi
(05:23):
proof of concept for a fulllength feature that he wants to
do.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Right, I mean, I remember I referenced it as
comparable to the video gameDeath Stranding with Norma
Reedus, so the artwork andimagery was very similar to that
.
So you know, riding that wave,I think it can go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But tell people who Deji is.
By the way, deji is, I guessyou could say, like an
up-and-coming director.
He's directed a few thingsmostly shorts and some music
videos, I believe but he'strying to grow and expand
himself and his knowledge andhis experience.
So he's been trying to do morelike independent features, which
(06:08):
is why we did this proofconcept, which I saw a rough cut
like his initial, like assemblycut.
I haven't seen anything afterthat and let me tell you we are
all our own worst critics.
I cringe every time I watch myacting because, I just, yeah, I
(06:29):
mean even with your stuff, drew.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
like you know what we shot last time you never told
me that, that you're like youknow, cringing when you see,
cause I do the same thing I like.
I'm like Tom Cruise.
I can never watch anything.
I ever do.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I, I try not to , because I'm always going to
doubt my ability and I'm alwayslike God, I could have done that
so much better, or I shouldhave made this choice instead.
And I think, just you know,creative people do that in
general with their work, whetherthat be acting, directing,
writing, whatever it is.
I think we're all always goingto question how well we executed
(07:05):
something and I, I will alwaysautomatically be like no, I
could have done better, right.
Even though other other peoplemight not see it that way, I,
I'm always going to Right.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Well, you, you know, like I talked to you, I talked
to you back in day about when Ireleased the book and how I
thought it was for lack of abetter term, like you know
unreadable because it was.
So it was an angry book and itwas very cryptic and morbid.
But, you know, on the flip sideof that, people love that book
and they read, read, they readit all over the world and it's
shocking to me, you know.
So it's I can relate to, likehow you feel about watching
(07:42):
yourself and being a critic and,you know, not feeling that
you've done the best jobpossible.
But you know, in retrospectthough, I mean what we've worked
on together.
Everybody always says Tiffanywas great, drew, you suck.
So you know.
Hey, you know, maybe Ishouldn't play myself in the
future.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I don't think it matters, like if you enjoy if
you enjoy what you're doing.
I don't think it matters likeif you enjoy.
If you enjoy what you're doing,I don't think it matters very
much yeah exactly, exactly.
But yeah, I, yeah.
Whatever you're, I thinkwhatever you're passionate about
, if you're putting it out therefor other people to see, you're
always going to question howwell it's received right,
exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
True words have never been spoken, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So tell listeners how you and Imet.
That's like that's the wholebook in itself on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I know.
No, we.
I don't remember the year Iwant to say it might've been
2018 or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, just to refresh your memory, tiffany, not to
interrupt you, but it was twomonths before I got run over by
the pickup truck, so it was likeSeptember of 2018.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I feel like it was longer before that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Was it really?
I don't know, maybe I could bewrong, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I thought so.
I don't know, maybe I'll lookthrough my old emails and see if
I can find like our original.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh, you keep those emails.
Oh wow, I got to be careful.
That's blackmail right there.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
No, but we originally met because I had seen a
casting call that you had putout and I think I just had
submitted like a headshot.
I don't even think I had aresume at that point, I'm not
sure.
But yeah, I submitted myheadshot and maybe don't even
think I had a resume at thatpoint, I'm not sure.
But yeah, I submitted myheadshot and maybe wrote a
little bit about me and myexperience.
(09:30):
And then you asked for like alike a video audition and you
sent me a little bit of stuff todo.
So, sent that in.
Yeah, yeah, I had.
Yeah, I did so.
Sent that in.
Yeah, oh, wow, yeah, I did it.
I don't remember what the scenewas or anything like that.
(09:53):
Obviously it was for the roleof Amber and yeah, I sent the
audition and I think it wasthrough the email that you said
I had gotten the part, and thenI don't know how much longer it
(10:14):
was after that, but then we hadlike a photo shoot or something.
Yeah, which was supposed to befor a book cover On the green
screen.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, we scratched that book cover and went with
like 3D realistic.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think too we might have done
a little bit of a script to readthrough when we were there.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I believe we did.
I think that was with the scenewith Aubrey as the adopted
daughter.
I believe, yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, yeah, adopted daughter.
I believe, yeah, I believe so,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I always ask guests thatknow me to, to, kind of like,
give their honest opinion of mewhen they first met me.
So what, what did you think ofme as I don't know, as a person,
as a professional, I know, backthen I was still driving trucks
, so I was like all over thecountry back then.
Yeah, like you know what, what,what were your first
(11:08):
impressions of me taking?
A poll here.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'm taking a poll, by the way yeah, yeah, I mean I
think I don't know.
You seem like a, like a genuineperson.
The first time we met you, youeven called me out.
Actually, when I did, I gotthere.
Yeah, because I I got therefairly early.
(11:34):
You know if you're early or ontime.
If you're on time, you're late.
But I had gotten there prettyearly and you were already there
and they hadn't unlocked thespace yet.
So we were kind of just liketalking out in the front and
someone else showed up I can'tremember who it might've been
(11:55):
the photographer, the makeuplady and I wasn't very talkative
, like I'm not a very talkativeperson right off the bat, like I
, I feel like I need to get toknow people.
I'm not, I'm not an extrovert.
So I kind of like you guys werelike everyone was kind of like
(12:16):
talking back and forth.
It was like you and adam,whoever this other person was
and everyone kind of just likeyou know, started showing up and
everyone's having aconversation.
I kind of was just likestanding there observing and
then, at one point, you were theone taking the notes.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
What was that?
I said you were the one takingthe notes, right?
You're going to report back tothe big boss, right?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
So everyone was kind of justhaving a conversation.
I'm kind of just standing thereand then you kind of just
turned away and looked at me andyou were like I can't remember
exactly what you said, but itwas like something along the
lines of just like, like, likewhat you you can't even like
(13:05):
like have like during theconversation with us.
Like you didn't even hug mewhen you came up and I was like
really, and then I was a fuckingasshole.
You should have fucking told meto shut my mouth well, I was
like I don't even know you, soyou yeah, but you threw it at me
and I hit it right back at you.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I.
I don't remember that part, butthe irony to that story is that
we've come a long way sincethen, right, you and I, and we
become closer, and you know Ialways tell people that you're
family.
So yeah you know, I guess youknow bumps in the road or bumps
in the road, but I think that wewere a lot closer now and the
two of us have gone through alot of shit together.
(13:46):
You know, I mean right you were,you would, you were there
through those whatever five anda half, six years of me fighting
with all that legal shit and onand off the phone with Seth,
and you know, I have to say, youknow, looking back on all that,
you know, I think that was agodsend for me back then,
because I didn't have thatsupport network, you know, and
(14:09):
you know, who knows, maybe thatwas the reason for it all.
I mean, if you want to believein that kind of thing, you know.
But so yeah, I mean, excuse me.
So yeah, I, I mean I value ourfriendship and our relationship
and you know, I think we, youknow we have a lot in common,
especially coffee.
The two of us are coffee themes.
(14:30):
You're the one that turned meon to Starbucks, by the way, and
gotta blame you for that one,because I'm going broke on that
shit.
You know that right.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That's not my fault, it's not your fault.
You gotta learn some selfcontrol.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, the chai's, the chai's do it every time.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I thought you couldn't have chai anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I can't.
So you know, I'm having fakechai's sugar, free shit, and it
tastes like garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
It's garbage.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, but no, I mean, we came a long way over these
years.
I've grown as a person.
I think you've grown as aperson and unfortunately, the
world's on fire, but you know,we just gotta take it day by day
.
So let's, let's talk about whatyou're.
(15:19):
What's going on now?
What are you working on?
Anything?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean, aside from the audio thing.
Oh, I guess.
Yeah, I did shoot that onething with Deji, that I wrote
that script, I sent you, I didshoot that.
But that was more of like likeI just wanted to do something
because you know when you'rethat was.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
That was like, that was what'd you call it again the
last box or something like thatyeah, yeah, the last box oh
sorry, did I breachconfidentiality.
I apologize.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
No, it don't matter.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and that wasmore so.
Just, yeah, I wanted to dosomething and just get something
out there to show that I'mstill working and I'm trying to
stay active as an actor.
But it kind of was just like ascene of something Right.
(16:14):
Right, I guess I'll see howwell it's received if people
would like to see a follow-up.
But it kind of starts not evenmid-story.
I feel like there could be aprequel if people like it and
there could be a sequel ifpeople like it.
But yeah, like it, and therecould be a sequel if people like
(16:38):
it.
Um, but yeah, and that'sessentially.
The last box is about a couplethat broke up and the ex comes
to get her last box of stufffrom the apartment and they kind
of have a small little heart toheart and realize that they're
still lingering feelings thereand it ends very open-ended.
(17:01):
Something could come of it,something could not.
So, right, yeah, like I said,it was basically just a scene.
I think daji's editing it now.
Oh, really really.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So the one guy that you don't want to ask me to edit
that shit, huh, wow, okay, Isee you now.
I see where it is.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
No, Deji wanted to edit it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, me and Deji are going to have to have a talk,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, no, because he directed it, he wanted to edit
it, so it still had the samefeel, I guess.
But I got you, don't worryabout it.
But I think he's also stilldoing stuff with the beacon,
because I think there are a fewthings that they need to like,
do some pickups, so I thinkthey're still working on it.
(17:49):
So I wouldn't doubt it if thelast box came out before the
beacon.
But yeah, so working on thatnow.
And it's funny, I actually justhad an idea for something the
other week, so I started writingsomething and I was like, huh,
okay, I'll see where this goesand I think, what I might do,
(18:12):
because you know me, I have likea million different ideas and.
I can't do them all at once.
So I think what I want to do ismaybe do like a proof of
concept of each one and seewhich one kind of gets the
(18:34):
better, and see which one kindof gets the better, like a
better reaction from you know,the audience or whatever, which
one's better received, and thencarry on that particular one
from there.
So it's like, if I have, youknow, three different ideas,
I'll shoot three different proofof concepts, put them out there
(18:56):
and whichever one people seemto like the most, then I'll
build on that one.
Right, right, right.
So I've been thinking of thatlately.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So I want to step it back for a little bit and a lot
of people have always asked meover the years, you know, about
what it was like to go throughall that trauma following, you
know, not not only with theaccident, but you know the shit
in New York that I wrote about,I keep writing about, and I know
that you were there for a lotof it.
(19:29):
I know you were, you were privyto a lot of information, not all
of it, but just to kind of givelisteners like a, like an
impression, me and my resolve.
Like how would you, how wouldyou describe those years?
Was it like a never endingstory?
Did it seem like it was goingto go on forever?
My no less may.
You made the comment to me thatyou were scared because I was
(19:52):
in the hospital following theblood clot.
So I'm just trying to getpeople an impression of me and
you know, because I've alwaysbeen accused of like caring more
about other people than myselfand you know, I just want to get
your insight into that, beingsomebody that was there for a
lot of it, right?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
For a lot of it.
Right.
I think you kind of said themain thing there Of like it
seemed like it was just going onforever, like and no, no fault
to your own.
I don't think it wasnecessarily anything that you
could have done differently, itwas more so.
(20:31):
You know the other People orwhatever involved that just you
know the other people orwhatever involved that just kept
, you know, dawdling anddragging their feet and dragging
it out for however long it waswhat five years or something
like that no-transcript.
(21:10):
Right, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I don't, I don't, I don't take kindly to the people
that want to put me into aprecarious position, you know,
especially when other people'slives and livelihood is on the
line, you know so because Ibring this up because I bring?
I bring this up because a lot ofpeople have always asked me
about, like, why did I get thenickname the white night back in
(21:33):
the day, and I'd be veryreluctant to talk about that.
And I tell people, read thebooks as they come out and
you'll know why.
But you know, and I think I'vesaid this to you numerous times
over the years, that we seem tofollow in the same footsteps,
you and I, the same path in life.
And I think you know, when Itry to explain to people, like
when I see somebody else goingthrough like similar
(21:54):
circumstances that I did, I tendto intervene because I try to
keep them from going down thatpath, because that was a very
hard path for me and it still isin some regard.
So you know, I mean you, you sawme at the good, the bad and the
ugly.
You saw me before the accident,during the accident, after the
accident, and then you know,with that bullshit last year,
(22:14):
during the accident, after theaccident, and then you know,
with that bullshit last year,and it's just it's.
I like to get other people'sopinions because people like
Drew, I don't know how you didthis and how do you do this
alone, and not that I'm alone,but you know I don't have.
You know I don't have familyout in California and it's hard.
You know what I mean?
It's hard.
(22:38):
So all I got right now layingunder my feet is baby Leeloo and
I don't think she could do muchother than like bite someone in
the ass if they got, you know,in my way, right?
So I just like to get otherpeople's input, you know,
because a lot of people findthat story to be like hard to
believe and unbelievable.
You know how do you get runover at 30 miles an hour and
walk away Like nothing happened.
So but that's why they call methe man of steel, you know.
(23:00):
Yeah, so I always like I alwayslike to get people to interject
, but listeners to, you know,give them more, better exposure
from a different perspectivethan my own, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, no, I think, regardlessof whatever situation you're in,
you always have a lot ofresolve and determination and I
don't think you ever think thatyou can't do something.
I think no matter what it is,you always have the mentality
(23:35):
that you can do it, so you willdo it exactly the less that
power as they say, right yeah,yeah, exactly which yeah.
The more you know you, you getback what you put out into the
world and exactly the more, themore positivity you have of
(23:56):
yourself and your situation andwhere you're at in life.
It only be positive like you.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Don't let the negative thoughts really get to
you there's enough negativityout there, as as it is from
other people, so you know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't want to be.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I don't want to be my own worst enemy.
You know I've been there before.
I put up with that.
I've dealt with that and youknow I try to instill that
wisdom in people like you.
You know people that I'm closeto and not everybody takes to
that.
Some people, you know, push meaway but hey away, but hey look,
you know everybody's entitledto their, their own opinions
(24:39):
yeah to each their own so isthere anything that you would
like to tell the listeners tolook out for?
you got a website you want topromote, or you just want to let
them find it on their own?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
They can find it on their own.
Your listeners are smart.
No, I'm just kidding.
I mean, you could just look foranything.
That's all this TV.
All one word, if you, whichI've come to find, if you space
it out, you're not finding it.
I don't know why, like ifyou're on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Don't be Drew, don't do what drew did.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, no, yeah, you can look up anything, that's
yeah, all this TV or my.
You can look at my Instagram.
My at is Tiffany Lobos, you cansee.
So actually, no, I haven'tposted anything in a long time
and I was thinking about thatthey found out, maybe, like last
month.
I was like damn, it's been, Ithink, a couple of years since I
(25:43):
posted something.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm not super active on social media is what it is.
Well, don't look a gift horsein the mouth.
That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
What I'm saying is like I think back in the day I
was more concerned about it.
But as I'm saying is like I, Ithink back in the day I was more
concerned about it, but as I'mgetting old like yeah, whatever,
it's just social media.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, right, but you know my feelings about social
media.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, but for those who are, you know, social media
savvy and like those, like, likethat kind of of thing, you can
check out my instagram.
I don't do like twitter orwhatever they tiktok or anything
(26:24):
like that.
I'm basically.
I'm basically like a grandpa,all right.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Well, you know if people want to learn more about
you, I'm sure they'll they'll godigging All right.
Well, you know, if people wantto learn more about you, I'm
sure they'll go digging.
Yeah, but I appreciate yourtime and your input and, you
know, hopefully we'll see you onthe big screen in the near
future.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think we will, though I got good feelings about
that.
Yeah, Thanks for having me forone.
I know we've been trying to getthis done for a little bit, but
happy to to do this with youand, yeah, I think eventually
we'll both have things out therethat are going to be bigger and
(27:10):
better.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, can't, can't go .
You know like the old sayinggoes can only go up.
You know, just can't go.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You know if the old saying goes can only go up.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know, just uh, you know, gotta, gotta, gotta
get beyond this nonsense goingon in the world right now and
once, once things come back tonormal, I think the floodgates
will open, you know yeah, yeah,I agree but yeah, so great to
have you, tiffany, and I lookforward to maybe having you back
(27:39):
on in the near future yeah, forsure, I'd be happy to do that
great well, have a great weekendand we'll talk to you soon
thanks, jerry.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Have a good weekend too you too, bye, bye.
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