Outlaws Podcast: Embracing Career Freedom

What happens when the job you thought you'd stay in forever — the identity you've carried since age 17 — stops feeling right?

In this episode, Shayla and Kate sit down with David (Dave) French, former infantry officer turned leadership coach, who spent 21 years in the Australian Army, followed by a second act in corporate consulting, and now has started his own business to follow his purpose. Dave describes a deeply personal reckon...

In this episode, Shayla and Kate sit down with global burnout expert Sally Clarke to uncover how chronic stress hijacks our energy and identity—and, more importantly, how we can reboot before we break. Drawing on her research, bestselling books, and work with Fortune 500 teams, Sally walks us through the warning signs, the three phases of recovery and her BRNT framework for sustainable wellbeing.

From hard-earned personal lessons t...

What if the most rebellious thing you could do wasn’t to break the rules — but to stop worrying what everyone else thinks?

In this episode, Shayla and Kate crack open Mel Robbins’ bestselling book The Let Them Theory and explore why these two tiny words are such a potent tool for living like an Outlaw. Because Outlaws don’t build their lives by managing everyone else’s opinions — they build them from the inside out.

From family exp...

Ever feel like there’s something you’ve forgotten to do — but you can’t quite name it? For Sulari Gentill, leaving the law and picking up a pen finally let her breathe.

In this episode of Outlaw Diaries, we talk to the incredible Sulari Gentill — a former corporate lawyer who swapped contracts for crime fiction, and found the thing she didn’t even know she was missing. From astrophysics to cow pregnancy tests to bestseller lists, h...

What if success wasn’t about ticking boxes, climbing ladders, or polishing your LinkedIn profile — but about something quieter, deeper, and more you?

In this episode, a follow up to our very popular Backwards Budget episode, Shayla and Kate take the conversation beyond the Backwards Budget and dive into the real question underneath it all: What does success actually mean to you?

Spoiler: it’s probably not “I worked 80 hours a week ...

💡 What if your budget started with the life you want, not the one you’re stuck in?

In this episode, Shayla and Kate unpack a deceptively simple but transformative tool: the Backwards Budget. Born out of Shayla’s own burnout and a desire to live more deliberately, this approach flips traditional financial planning on its head — starting not with income, but with the kind of life you actually want to live.

From spreadsheets to exist...

In this episode, Shayla and Kate crack open Oliver Burkeman’s powerful book 4,000 Weeks — and let’s be clear, it’s not about to-do lists.

They explore the confronting reality that 4,000 weeks is roughly all we get in a lifetime, and how that number becomes a springboard for bigger questions: What truly matters? Why do we equate our worth with productivity? And how can we let go of the pressure to do it all?

With personal stories, a...

In this episode, we dive into our first 'Outlaw Diaries' as Shayla interviews Fiona McLay, a former litigation lawyer turned legal tech evangelist and author. We explore her courageous journey of career change and how to achieve work-life balance by following a path more aligned with one's true self.

Fiona shares her honest stories about the messy middle of reinvention, addressing the fears and worries that can arise when pursuing ...

In this episode of Outlaws, Shayla and Kate pull back the curtain on the hidden curriculum—the sneaky, unspoken rules that shape how we define success, worth, and ambition.

From career ladders you never questioned to the belief that being busy means you're important, they unpack the beliefs that ruled their lives (until they didn’t). They share five deeply ingrained "rules" they’re actively unlearning—and how it’s changing the way ...

You followed the rules. You ticked all the boxes. You built the “successful” career. So… why does it still feel like something’s missing or that you're not really happy?

In this first episode of Outlaws, your hosts Shayla and Kate (two former lawyers turned question-askers and life-redesigners) get real about what brought them here — from burnout and breakdowns to career pivots and messy in-betweens.

We talk:

• Walking away fro...