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Charlotte Jukes (00:10):
This the
pickleball and partnership
podcast, the place to talk.
Talk about building betterconnections with your partner.
Learning how to communicate witheach other and how to inject
fun.
Into your relationship allthrough the game of pickleball.
If that sounds like your cup oftea.
Pull up a chair grab your paddleand join me.
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Your host, Charlotte Jukes.
For pickleball and partnership.
Welcome to the Pickleball andPartnership podcast.
I'm your host, Charlotte, andtoday I'm thrilled to welcome
Lana, a registered nurse andmother of two children with Type
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one diabetes.
Lana shares her powerful journeyfrom caregiver burnout to
rediscovering joy throughpickleball.
After years of putting everyoneelse first, she's now creating
space for her own health.
And helping others to do thesame through her program doing
diabetes different.
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Join us as we explore howpickleball became more than just
a sport.
For Lana.
It's become a path toreconnection with her husband
and herself.
This conversation is perfect foranyone feeling overwhelmed by
life's demands and looking forthat first step toward positive
change.
Let's dive in.
Charlotte J (01:37):
I am so excited for
this episode.
I am joined today by Lana.
Lana is a registered nurse.
She's a mum to two children,both of whom live with type one
diabetes, and she is on apersonal health journey to
prevent type two diabetes and ispassionate about helping others
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to prioritize their self care.
Lana has created a support groupcalled Doing Diabetes Different,
and of course the T 1D MumMakeover sounds intriguing,
where she's building a communityfor mums and individuals to
support each other, reducestress, and develop healthier
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habits together.
Lana, you and I have known eachother actually for quite a long
time.
I was trying to think back, butI think it's probably over 20
years and we've worked togetherin the past.
So recently we reconnected andstarted chatting, of course,
about pickleball.
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And Lana let me know that sheand her husband were going to
start learning to playpickleball.
So obviously I said, yes, youmust come on the podcast and let
us all know what inspired you.
So welcome Lana.
Hi Charlotte.
Thank you.
I'm happy to be on the podcast.
It's exciting.
Yes.
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I'm so glad that you are here.
I'm, I'm really excited andhappy to talk to you.
So, as a registered nurse and amum to two children with Type
one diabetes and someoneyourself, who you are on your
own health journey.
You've spent years putting otherpeople first.
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I think, as nurses, as mums, aswomen, we know this totally.
We always put other people firstand we come last.
But now it seems, you arestepping onto the pickleball
court for you, which is huge.
That's so exciting.
But if we may, will you take usback to that point in your life
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where things perhaps reallychanged for you?
Lana (03:55):
Sure.
Yeah.
So, you know, as you mentioned,being a nurse, um, being a mum,
always kind of putting othersfirst.
Um, that's just kind of alwayswhat I've done.
Things kind of change, like whenmy kids were both diagnosed.
Um, so my son was diagnosed backin, um, 2018, and then my
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daughter was the year after2019.
So super stressful, hard time ofmy life, kind of those few years
afterwards, you know, it wasjust for sure all about them
and, it was hard for me to work.
Um, so I had kind of donedifferent things, changed my job
around so that I could alwayskind of be there for them.
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And, um, then it was like 2022.
It was like quite bad.
Ended up on a stress leave fromwork and just.
Made that decision of like, if Idon't start taking care of
myself, I'm not going to bearound like it was, you know,
I'd gained a lot of weight.
I was anxious all the timehaving panic attacks and.
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Chronic pain, like I was just ina really, really low, low spot
in my life.
And, um, kind of just started myjourney of first just, you know,
physically, mentally gettingmyself healthier.
yeah, pickleball has been morerecent, but, um, yeah, that was
back a couple years ago, justlike needing to get myself
healthy.
Charlotte J (05:19):
Oh my gosh, I, I
can only imagine what that was
like.
having that, that diagnosis forboth your children, one after
the other, must have had a hugeemotional impact on you, which
then led on to, like you justdescribed, physical health
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concerns.
Lana (05:41):
Yeah.
And then I think also just likea relationship.
So that's, you know, we'll getinto that later of like why I
went through the pickleball, butwith my husband and I, you know,
I was, we were sleep deprived,we were devoted to the kids.
It definitely kind of took atoll on our relationship as
well.
I think, yeah, like even thestatistics show, like families
with kids with chronic disease,there's more divorces.
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It's, um, hard on the marriage.
So.
yeah.
Once I kind of started gettingmyself better, then we all
started doing better.
You know, that was kind of adomino effect of our
relationship got a bit better,me and the kids.
The kids were less anxiousbecause I was less anxious.
and yeah, just trying to growand kind of as we learned, we
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would try to do better to takecare of ourselves.
Charlotte J (06:27):
Kudos to you
because I just, I can't even
imagine, you must have justbeen.
Overwhelmed with trying to findout information obviously as
nurses we have some knowledge ofdiabetes and we are looking
after clients with diabetes, butnow all of a sudden that's
changed.
now you are, you must have.
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One being craving information,but also realizing that, was
there a lot of information outthere?
Was there a lot of support outthere, or were you completely
overwhelmed or searching foranswers constantly?
Lana (07:07):
kind of a bit of both.
Like there is support groups,like right away joining a
certain Facebook group for mumsor parents of kids with
diabetes, you know?
There'd be times in the middleof the night.
You'd have like a low bloodsugar, just like something would
happen and you'd have a questionand there'd often be someone on
throughout Canada that, um,could answer your question or
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just give support when youneeded to vent.
Um, it was a few years in thatwe first went to a diabetes
family camp, um, and that waswhile I was on my stress leave.
And that was a kind of a bigturning point that.
Being in a group of families alldoing their diabetes things, it
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was kind of the first time Ididn't feel super alone.
Where before, you know, you havefriends giving support, but kind
of unless you're going throughit, no one kind of actually
understood.
But having that, um, family campwas definitely pivotal in like
feeling supported and knowing Iwasn't alone.
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And then also kind of wanting topay that forward to, to start to
help others as well.
Charlotte J (08:13):
It sounds like that
community at the family camp was
huge for all of you.
That must have had, the impacton you and your husband, but
your children as well.
Yeah, definitely.
I love that sense of communityand support.
Right?
Because I, I really believethat's where, that's where we
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thrive.
So you talk about paying thatforward and you've created a
group called Doing DiabetesDifferent, and I think it's an
eight week course, which iscalled the, t 1D mum makeover,
if you want to talk about thosetwo.
Yeah,
Lana (08:52):
I think my first thought
was the doing diabetes
different, and that was like, ifsomething's not working, do
something different.
You know, don't stay stuck doingthe same thing over and over
again.
if life, you know, if yourhealth just, if something's not
going well to try somethingdifferent.
that was kind of my first ideaof a name.
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Um, and then kind of as myjourney evolved, I feel like I'm
kind of like on a makeoverjourney that I'm making over my
physical health.
My mental health.
I.
And so it's an eight week coursefor, um, mums with kids with
diabetes.
And it's kind of a combinationof like learning about diabetes
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and working on that for ourkids, but also realizing that we
need to also take care ofourselves and, filling up our
own cup first so that we arehealthy and, and able to take
care of them.
Charlotte J (09:47):
That's amazing.
I am sure people just love theidea of having that, that
support and that not only theinformation, but you know,
somebody who's been through itlike yourself, you're passionate
about it, you understand whatthey're going through.
You can hold their hand and helpthem through that journey.
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Have you seen.
transformations with people thathave taken your course.
Lana (10:17):
like so far, I've, I've
gotten lots of great feedback
and the mums that have done it,this will be, I'm currently in
my third round of the eightweeks and, um, yeah, lots of
great feedback.
Some people that were in likethe first round or the second
round are back with me doing itthis third round, so I thought
that was a good sign that theyfelt it was.
Yeah.
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Worth, you know, their time andmoney to, uh, to repeat it.
So,
Charlotte J (10:42):
so it sounds like
it's something that, people come
back to.
It's not just a course that youtake once, it's that ongoing
support.
I
Lana (10:51):
hoping to actually even
change it so that, you know, it
doesn't end after the eightweeks.
Like I want it to be a littlebit more ongoing.
So I'm kind of trying to figureout how, We can stay connected
more and have that kind ofongoing community for support.
Charlotte J (11:06):
Yes.
That sounds super beneficial.
I mean, just to have that,'causeI would imagine it's not
something that you all of asudden one day wake up and
think, oh, I got this.
I know everything.
I know what I'm doing.
Right.
Yeah.
That's great.
So.
Not having had it
in the family myself.
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But I can imagine that, anydiagnosis is overwhelming.
You talked about stress.
You talked about the physicaland the emotional impact that
that had on you.
What do you think some of thekey strategies that you've found
has helped you to reduce stressand just build those healthier
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habits for yourself and withinyour community?
Lana (11:55):
Key strategies, I think,
heartMath was one.
That was one strategy that Itaught in my first, the first
week of the mums together, andjust being able to breathe
properly where in the past I'dalways like hold my breath and
then end up being panicked.
Um, so yeah, doing kind ofheart-focused breathing and then
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exercising, like that wasdefinitely a key factor of just
mental health, physical health.
I'm trying to move my body everyday.
Yeah, the support and communityand I think just like personal
development, you know, whereback when I was feeling
depressed, I would kind of justlike lay in bed and.
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Poor me and you know, crying andthe personal development of just
continuing to learn and grow andjust trying to do better.
Once I kind of can know better,then it's made a lot of
difference.
Charlotte J (12:55):
Thank you for being
vulnerable and thank you for
sharing that, because I think,we've all had those muments,
we've been sitting on the couch,or we've been in bed, we've been
crying and felt absolutely atour wits end, not knowing what
to do.
I can think back to a time in mylife when my husband worked
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away.
he was, gone for 10 years.
Not 10 years straight.
He was back and forth, but Iplayed single mum.
I was bringing the children upon my own.
I.
And it was hard to get outta bedsometimes.
It was challenging.
It was overwhelming.
I think, you know, there wasthis desire to change, but
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actually taking that action to,to get up, to do something
different, like you were saying,it is hard.
It is difficult to know where tostart.
Sometimes.
So for anyone listening perhapswho's stuck in that place right
now and they're unsure of thefirst step to take, what would
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you say to them to help themmove forward?
What's the one thing that couldspark that shift?
Lana (14:10):
That's a good question.
I think just kind of having thembe aware, are you where you want
to be?
Yes or no?
And what is like the one smallthing that you can do?
Like you don't need to doeverything all at once, but what
is one thing that you can do tomove in the direction that you
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want to go?
Charlotte J (14:32):
Mm-hmm.
That's great advice.
'cause I think you're right.
Sometimes we think, oh my gosh,it's overwhelming because I have
to do A, B, C, D.
There's this great long list ofthings and you're right.
Sometimes it's just aboutpicking that one smallest thing.
What one little thing can I dothat?
That's great advice.
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I love that Lana.
'cause I think then when.
We are able to do that.
And maybe that's just swingingyour legs over the edge of the
bed and putting your feet on thefloor.
Maybe that's all it is.
Or sitting up and taking adeeper breath than we normally
do.
Maybe that's all it is.
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Or even like
Lana (15:15):
making a phone call to
maybe, maybe you'd need some
help, you know?
So reaching out to someone forhelp.
just some sort of first step.
Charlotte J (15:23):
Absolutely.
That resonates with me for sure.
I think, as women, we feel likewe have to do it all and we have
to do it all today and we don't.
Just taking that one small step.
So, you've spent so much timehelping others.
You continue to help others tohelp them manage their diabetes.
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Obviously, your children, yourhusband, navigating your health,
their health, so.
How has that then led you topickleball?
What was it about pickleballthat, caught your attention?
Lana (16:00):
it was actually probably a
year ago that I first signed my
husband and I up, and it wasjust that wanting us to do
something together, like wedon't.
Go on many date nights.
You know, with the diabetes,we've often just felt like
someone needs to be at home incase of something.
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So we, we just haven't leftthem.
Now they're a little bit older.
Um, we are starting to feel morecomfortable, but I.
Yeah, just I think wanting thatconnection, what can we do
together?
And I'm not sure where I heardit from exactly, like maybe it
could have been you, I don'tknow.
Or someone else that had playedpickleball.
Um, but yeah, about a year ago Isigned us up and then when it
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came to the first class,something happened that we
didn't go.
And then the second class we'relike, well, we missed the first
class.
We don't know what to do.
Like, I don't wanna look dumb,so let's just not do it.
So we wasted our whole money.
We didn't go to one singleclass.
And then, yeah, then justrecently, again, it's like just
still in my mind, probably fromyou now that I wanted to give it
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a try.
it, uh, was just like wanting tohave time together with me and
my husband was kind of whatsparked me to sign us up.
Charlotte J (17:11):
So now, how did he
feel about that?
Because I'm assuming you broughtthe idea to him initially.
What were his thoughts?
Lana (17:20):
He was okay with it.
It wasn't like he was like,super, super excited, but he was
willing to give it a try.
he knew it was a good idea, butboth of us were just a little
bit nervous because we didn'tcompletely know what to expect.
Yeah, just trying something newis sometimes hard,
Charlotte J (17:36):
trying something
new is often hard, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, I know that.
And I remember back I've talkedabout it on previous episodes as
well, I had to know what I wasdoing, so I totally get what
you're saying about, you missthat first lesson and then you
don't want to be behind and youdon't want to look like you
don't know what you're doing,even though.
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Really, nobody knows whatthey're doing when they first
take lessons.
That's amazing.
Good for you for then goingback, a year later.
what advice would you give tosomebody who wants to make
fitness fun, but feelsintimidated?
So, they're in that place whereI was a couple of years ago.
They're in that place where youwere a year ago.
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Not wanting to look stupid orthat we don't know what we are
doing.
What would you tell them rightnow?
Lana (18:30):
I think, you know, just
like really encouraging them
just to try it, you know, likeyou don't know what it's going
to be like until you've done itand.
Trying something new, you know?
Yeah.
It's scary, but once you kind ofmake it a habit, it's just such
a life changing thing.
Like for me, just like rightnow, fitness is like my main
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thing.
But I can just see the benefitsof also doing pickleball as a
sport with my husband and justhaving that fun aspect to
exercising.
Charlotte J (19:03):
Bring more fun back
into our lives, be childlike
again.
That's what I love about it.
So take us to the first lesson,you've signed up again, you and
your husband are now going togo, you both apprehensive.
He's not sure, but you both wantthat connection.
You want to do somethingtogether, and here you are now
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going to your first lesson.
Tell us what were your firstimpressions?
What was going through your mindas you stepped on the court?
Lana (19:33):
it was actually kind of
funny the first time was, you
know, sometimes I'm a bitscatterbrained and I write
things down wrong.
And so it was supposed to beeight o'clock.
We showed up there at seveno'clock and I'm like, oh, okay.
No one's here yet.
Got the time wrong.
Ended up that, my husband had towork early the next day, so that
first time, like we went backhome and then he wasn't coming
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back with me.
So I went to the first lesson bymyself and, I was just kind of
nervous, you know, lookingaround of like everyone else is
just kind of playing.
And so there was another girlthat was kind of similar to me
that didn't have a partner, sowe just kind of joined up and
started playing, um, before theinstructor started the, the
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class.
And yeah, it was just kind offun to, uh, it wasn't like super
hard of what I was thinking itwas going to be, and right away
it was like, oh, okay, this isfun.
And then the second class iswhen my husband, did join me, so
Charlotte J (20:29):
and then the next
week he came with you.
Did he?
Yeah.
So you, yes.
And what did he think of it thefirst time?
Because now, okay.
Your experienced, you've alreadyhad one lesson.
He's the newbie.
How
Lana (20:40):
was that?
it was good.
Like, yeah, he just had a couplequestions of just, you know, the
lines on the court and just kindof explained a couple quick
things to him, but he caught onreally quickly and, sometimes
he's probably more competitiveand I'm like, this is just for
fun.
You don't need to like whip theball at me.
let's just practice.
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Getting it over the net.
I love that.
Charlotte J (21:04):
Yes.
Been there, done that.
Isn't it funny how thatcompetitiveness really comes out
in people?
Definitely.
Husbands seem to have it alittle bit more, although I, I
did feel it a bit too, it soundslike you both enjoyed it.
You've taken the two lessonsnow, right?
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Yes.
Okay, so is this a series?
Is it a, a six week learn toplay program?
What did you sign up for?
Four weeks.
Oh, okay.
Nice.
Yeah.
And where is that localcommunity center or where did
you find it?
Lana (21:41):
It's quite close to our
house and it's just, community
center where there's a pool andgym, they have skating.
It's kind of a little bit ofeverything there.
Charlotte J (21:49):
Sounds like, you've
met some new people, perhaps
some new friends in this group.
Lana (21:56):
Currently I've been
working from home, so that was
another thing of just likegetting out and meeting more
people, was one of my goals.
And it was just fun to see, youknow, a variety of different
people.
Some were couples, some came ontheir own.
Um, there was kind of differentpeople that had signed up for
the lessons.
Charlotte J (22:15):
And I think isn't
that one thing I found, that I
really enjoyed about that waslike you mentioned, working from
home and I think, obviouslysince Covid, a lot of us have
felt more isolated and therehave been more opportunities for
people to work from home andperhaps not.
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Network or be face to face withother people, having those
genuine, authentic conversationsthat we used to when we used to
be out and about a lot more.
And the thing I loved aboutgoing to play pickleball was
that it was a completely newcommunity, so nobody knew me or
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where I was from, or, you know,I came without these labels.
So I wonder if perhaps, did youfeel a certain amount of that as
well?
Like I can go as Lana, I don'thave to go as mum to two
children who have diabetes.
Lana (23:18):
Yeah, I think that was,
part of it and moving forward
too.
It's just nice to have my ownlittle thing and, I didn't have
a lot of that before.
So, looking forward to, I mightsign up for another round of
classes.
And then after that I think Iwould just go to do like the
drop in and, start playing more.
Charlotte J (23:39):
And I think this is
an ideal time in the year too
because, like you say, doanother set of, of classes just
to develop and strengthen thoseconnections with other people.
Get a hang of the scoring andthe rules.
How did you find
Lana (23:57):
that, by the way?
They haven't actually done thescoring yet, so that will be the
next.
Charlotte J (24:01):
Okay.
You'll have to come back on thenand tell us what you thought of
the scoring because yeah, thatwas one thing I found
challenging and, um, I don'tknow why I was so confused for
weeks about how to, it didn'tmake sense to me and Neil kept
saying to me.
I don't get why you don't getit.
He said, it's very simple.
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You do this at the beginning,but then after the first point,
then it's this.
And I'm like, but I don't getit.
It doesn't make sense.
And then it suddenly clicked andyeah, so what I was saying was,
do the next set of lessons andthen we are coming into outdoor
and then a whole lot moreopportunities.
Certainly here, in Calgary, inCanada, more opportunities come
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up then because there areoutdoor courts and we seem to
take over a lot of the tenniscourts as well.
So there's a lot moreopportunities then to play
outdoor, which is another ballgame completely, because then
you're dealing with the wind andwhat have you, right.
But I love that you decided totake lessons first and get some
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knowledge about how to play thegame.
Lana (25:14):
Yeah.
My husband was looking alreadyat like, yeah, just picking up
some of our own so that we cando it outside the summer.
Charlotte J (25:21):
Do you think this
might be something you involve
the kids in as well?
Lana (25:26):
I hope so.
I think, you know, it would begreat for them.
We used to do badmintontogether, but lately just
teenagers, they're not likesuper excited about going to
play badminton with theirparents.
Um, but yeah, we'll definitelygive it a try to see if we could
do it as a family.
I think that would also be fun.
Charlotte J (25:47):
It's a great family
activity.
Although I say that my childrenwill not come and play with us,
they think that, that they wouldbe too good.
They would beat us and we keepsaying, well, come prove it.
You know, we're up for thechallenge.
Is there anything else aboutpickleball specifically that you
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love or you're drawn to, or, yousay you've played badminton
before.
Anything specific aboutpickleball that makes you think,
yes, this is the sport to getinto?
Lana (26:20):
It felt easier than say,
tennis.
You know, I've tried to playtennis with my husband and it's
just like, just the, thelightness of it, it just felt a
little bit easier to do pickleball.
That's probably the main thingthat I like the competition.
Like once I get a little bitbetter, you know, I would want
to be a bit more competitive.
(26:41):
Um, but it'll just kinda takesome time before I'm.
At that level.
Charlotte J (26:44):
Mm-hmm.
Well, yes, and actually it, itreally doesn't take that long.
And I think that's one thingthat surprised me about
pickleball as well.
Like you say, I mean thelightness, like the paddles are
not hard to maneuver.
They're very light.
The ball is a wiffle ball.
It's very easy to hit across thenet.
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Mm-hmm.
It's easy to hit it gently.
With your dinking it's easy to,to do a drive, a harder shot.
So yes, it's definitely easieron the body, um, as well, and
I've, I know I've said thisbefore, if people are perhaps.
A little less mobile.
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It's not a game that you have torace around the court if you
don't want to.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, there are definitelypeople who do, jump from side to
side.
We were watching a singles gameyesterday and oh my goodness,
they're all over the place.
I don't think I would have this.
Stamina for that.
Yeah.
But you literally can, you know,stand at the net and just hit
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the ball back and forth and youcan get some really good
exercise doing that.
So it's definitely, a sport,like you say, it's easier to
play, it's easier than tennis.
You have that badmintonbackground too, so you have some
prior knowledge there that willhelp you.
(28:09):
That's great.
I always ask everybody thatcomes on as a guest, what topic
or what kind of episode wouldyou like to hear?
A future episode of Pickleballand Partnership podcast.
Lana (28:24):
Yeah, I think just like
maybe like a comeback story, you
know, like that's kind of what Ifeel like my makeover of just my
transformation.
So yeah, maybe if there'ssomeone that's like started out,
really not doing that great, butended up, being an amazing
pickleball player, that would becool to hear.
Charlotte J (28:40):
That would.
I agree.
Okay.
Listeners, if you are out thereand somebody has had a huge
comeback story, a hugetransformation, or even a little
one, it doesn't have to be huge,does it really, like you say, we
make these small changes andthey can have a huge impact on
the way we feel about things on,jumping outta bed in the morning
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instead of.
Dreading what the day is goingto look like.
So I want to hear your stories.
Lana and I are tuning in,waiting to hear from you.
And Lana, I want you back on aswell.
Take this set of lessons andmaybe your next set of lessons
and then will you come back andlet us know how you get on and
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how you're finding pickleballwith your husband.
Lana (29:28):
I would love to, yeah,
that would be fun to, to see,
uh, how much progress I've made.
Charlotte J (29:32):
Absolutely.
And Lana, where can people findyou if they're interested, if
they're curious and they wantmore information about doing
diabetes different or about youreight week course, where can
they find you?
Lana (29:48):
So my website is.
www.doingdiabetesdifferent.com.
And then I have a Facebook groupthat's um, called Doing Diabetes
Different.
That's gonna kinda be my mainspot for people.
And it's a little bit of acombination of, you know,
there's some people with Typeone diabetes, there's some mums
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with kids with Type onediabetes.
And then also I've kind of beenjust promoting health and
fitness.
So it's some people that want toprevent type two diabetes.
So a little bit of everything,but that's where the group is.
Charlotte J (30:23):
Great.
And we'll put those links in theshow notes so that people can
find you there as well.
So thank you Lana.
It was amazing talking to you.
I love that you shared yourpickleball journey and you
shared some of your diabetesjourney with us.
Thank you very much.
Lana (30:41):
Yeah, thank you for having
me on Charlotte.
It was great.
Thank you so much, Lana, forsharing your inspiring journey
with us today from navigatingthe challenges of diabetes
management to finding joy on thepickleball court.
Your story reminds us.
That small steps can lead toprofound changes, whether it's
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picking up a paddle or simplymaking that first phone call for
help, prioritizing our wellbeingimpacts everyone around us.
I can't wait to hear about yourcontinued progress with
pickleball and the amazing workyou're doing with.
Doing diabetes different.
And to our listeners, rememberthat transformation begins with
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