PondTalk Featuring GIGA Griff with a surprise guest

Blew discusses everything GIGA and has his stream gets raided by a surprise guest!

Episode Transcript

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Good evening. Members of CT, members of GIGA,
members of APU and all crypto folks.
What a day, what a it's, it's always an amazing day.
Can we just start off, how awesome is it that AL poos on
Hyperliquid? How amazing is that?
You know, I need to be, I need to take a lesson from David
Gauchstein and it is Gauchstein,by the way.

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I need to have a sound board. I need to have a sound board
like a laughing trap, like a cheering track and be able to
kind of hype it up because imagine there's got to be like
an air horn and like a crowd or something as I say that.
And it's just kind of quiet. I've been a little bit less
active lately just because of this injury that I have.
It's getting better, it is getting better, but it's been

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remarkably difficult. So we're getting through it and
you know, it is what it is. I don't think I have any other
big announcements or housekeeping things that I need
to, you know, address before we begin the stream.
Today's stream is going to be awesome, per usual.
It's a lot of you are wondering,did Griff show up?

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Let's see, let's look at the comments.
Do they think Griff showed up ornot 'cause it's, you know, it
was like won't will he, won't hekind of situation.
It was not clear to me or anyoneelse for that matter.
There is a $10,000 no show fee there is that.
So you know, we're just, it's OK.

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Without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome our
guest for the night, Griff from Giga.
Griff, how are you? Doing, man.
Hey guys. How's it going?
Thank you. Thanks so much for having me.
Really appreciate it. Yeah, it's good.
It's good to have you here, man.I I appreciate it.
And I loved the, the suspense onthe on the timeline.
It's like, you know, we had no idea what was going to happen.

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And I thought that was, I thought that was great.
Yeah, I know. Me too, man.
Me too. I, you know, flipped a coin and
you know, heads. Heads I show tells it don't
show. Lucky for you guys, it was it
was heads. So I appreciate it.
So tell me first of all, when what exactly do you do at Giga?

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Me, I'm, I'm just a, just a normal community member, man.
I'm just working for my bags like everybody else in the
community. There's a kind of, you know, no,
no better way to describe it than that, you know, just a guy
who bought the coin and you know, said, hey, look, this is
the gig and Chad meme. This is one of the biggest memes
of all time, if not the biggest meme of all time.
Why would I not, you know, put my heart and soul in this and,

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you know, grind 24/7, give everything I got to it because
this is kind of like one of those once in a lifetime
opportunities. It's.
True. OK, let's let's maybe go with a
bit more straightforward, an easier question.
What is giga? I mean, what is the?
What is the origin of the meme? Yeah, so the origin of the meme
is comes from 2017 a believe a 4Chan post.

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You know some guy says, you knowthis is the most alpha male
perfect specimen of a man. They called him, no, this is gay
Chad kind of thing. And then just became a, you
know, a symbol and a representation of, I guess like
masculinity and perfection overall, just like not just
overall supremacy of confidence and not really caring what
everybody thinks. And, you know, it's kind of

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really blown up and taken off. Since then.
It's started multiple trends like, you know, the whole Sigma
male thing. It comes like kind of from the
giga Chad stuff. Like, I guess in a way, like
mogging is, you know, a giga Chad mogs you like even in, you
know, classrooms to this day. You know, gay Chad's one of
those terms in a lot of elementary schools that's banned
because the kids say it so much.It's Yeah, it's been pretty

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crazy. And it's the.
Mean is banned. The word giga chat is banned in
a lot of elementary schools because the kids say it too
much. Wow.
Yeah, it's, it's crazy. Like, I think like Skibbity got
banned. Like, a lot of these words got
banned because these kids are just, you know, yapping away,
saying it, saying it to their teacher.
I think. Yeah, I I guess like, that leads

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into, like, one of the interesting points about why
Giga chat is, you know, such a crazy meme.
You got literal kids, little elementary school kids using the
term. And you know, when those kids
turn 18 and start trading meme coins, you know, like, what's
the thing that they know about, right?
That's a, that's a pretty big delta there, huh?
Like that's a pretty you're, you're, you're playing a long
game. You're saying, hey, give it 10

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years in 10 years? Maybe give it 10.
Yeah, give it 10 years, man. Give it 10 years, right?
It's, you know, very similar. It's like, you know, Dogecoin
and the Doge meme, right? Like the Doge meme had been
around, you know, a decade before the coin, right?
And that's kind of, in my view, what made Doge so popular.
You know, a lot of people, they misescribe Elon Musk to be the

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sole reason for the rise of Doge.
And don't get me wrong, he was super influential, but people
forget Doge ran from 500 millionto like 3.5 billion before Elon
even tweeted, right? And this is, you know, one of
the reasons why you know giga Chad.
And you know what we preach in the giga community is like the
importance of being a real meme is that it's kind of like

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marketing and branding, right? Like you might not necessarily
like be looking to buy a Giga Chad coin, but once you see that
and you recognize the meme instantaneously, especially for
the retail investor, they associate meme coin with real
meme, right? When you think about meme coin
and you see doge, you're like, Oh yeah, shit, I, I know that
meme. But at the same time, you
remember like safe moon and all these other coins, like those

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weren't necessarily attracting all the retail like the doge was
because people were looking for real memes because those are
things that they know. Oh, hey, look, that's not a scam
because I know the meme. It's a meme coin.
That's kind of where, you know, the birth and gate chat really
stuck out to me was like, why did I buy this coin in the 1st
place? Oh yeah, I've seen that meme
before, right? That's like a huge.

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Let me, let me stop you, Let me stop you there.
Have you met Gen. Alpha?
Gen. Alpha yeah, I've met a couple of
them. Not like hanging out with them,
but yeah, I've I've met a coupleof them.
I. Feel like I'm a pretty
charitable guy. I, I feel like I give everyone a
fair shake. I really do.

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I treat everyone with respect, at least initially.
You know how they how how they play their cards after that is
up to them really. But I have a hard time imagining
Gen. alpha's how should I say it?
If how, how, how? I don't see myself expecting

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much from them. I just.
Don't that that is fair. Again, you know, it's 10 years
down the road. Who knows by that, But all I do
know is that it is a term that is banned in a bunch of
elementary schools and it wouldn't be banned if they
weren't using this term. But respectfully Griff, I feel
like the N word is also banned right?
Like does that. Yeah.

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Does that necessarily mean? That like this?
Barometer No, no, this is not the reason why I think giga chat
and giga is like going to be a crazy big coin.
That's not that's not by any means.
What I'm saying is, you know, I'm not relying on the Gen.
alpha in 10 years. But but I guess the overarching
point I'm trying to make is that, you know, this meme kind
of does transcend different generations, right?

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Like important. Yeah, exactly.
Especially, you know, meme coinsaren't an attention economy.
And that's why we see a lot of these coins die.
People say they're scams, but inreality, these coins die
because, you know, a new trend comes along or a new thing that
went viral on TikTok comes alongversus something like a real
meme, like like a Doge or a Pepeor an APU even, right?
These are memes that are going to be used in the next decade,

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right? I would you would you not?
I agree with that. Like the APU meme, the giga Chad
meme, the like, these things will be around still in the next
decade. And if something's around, that
means it still has attention, which makes these coins much
different than your average. Like TikTok, you know, skimmy
toilet meme coin. I think that's true.
I mean, I think there are some memes that are timeless.
They're just never going to go away.

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Some memes are memes and some memes are trends and you and
you've learned when you're in the the business for long
enough. I say as someone who's been here
for 10 minutes, right, you learnto spot the difference between
when something viral happens. Like I, I would imagine how many
Solana shooters do you think they launched based off of the
Coldplay Trent? Like, you know, the, the, the
Coldplay meme of the, you know, the CEO, like that's, that's

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here today, gone tomorrow. That's not, that's nothing.
There are others, I won't name them, but there are others that
that I think are here for for a moment only, But I, I think
it's, it's interesting. It's like is it, does the coin
suck because they're only here for a moment or they only here
for a moment because the coin sucks?
How much of that plays on itself?

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I mean, the there, there is, youknow, I'll give you an example.
I just with APU there's because the community is so tenacious
the meme. I think there's an amplification
that occurs where people use thememe anyways, but then there's
like an enhanced or, or an intensified sort of use of it.
And so 100. Percent.

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Another. 100% and that's, you know, what actually makes, you
know, these communities and you know, Murad talks about this
like cult thesis, what's actually, you know, starting to
happen. And I think, you know, we'll see
it as, you know, these coins getbigger and bigger is there will
be an amplification of these real memes because now you have
the communities, you know, rating every single post that
ever uses an oppo meme or ratingevery post of the giga Chad

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meme. And that will lead to the kind
of the snowball effect where nowpeople, the normies, the retail
investors, these people will start using these memes even
more because they get more engagement on them, right?
Right. Absolutely.
And, and going back to what you were saying about, you know,
these viral trends versus like these real memes, like, again,
one of the reasons I bought thiscoin in the 1st place was

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because I had seen the meme before.
That was like a really importantthing to me.
And once I realized like, wow, Ibought the meme coin because I
had seen the meme before. That's gonna be the same thing
for a lot of other people. And that's the whole importance
of being a real meme is that these real memes, what's really
cool about them and what makes them rare and special is the
world dictates what's a real meme that lasts, that stands the

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test of time. Crypto Twitter does not tell the
world what real memes are. The real world tells us what
real memes are. And we tokenize them after.
I think that's a very big, kind of like philosophical flip that
a lot of people on crypto Twitter don't really realize
yet. And we're starting to feel that
like you were saying with the Coldplay, that these, these
trends die, but these real memes, they don't die, right?

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Gig this gig bad meme. It's been around 7-8 years now,
right? Hoge's been around like 10-15
years. Like these things are just part
of Internet culture. They're part of like society as
a whole. And because they're kind of in
this infancy of what does it mean?
What is the Internet? We're still very early on in the
Internet. But you know, I still think in
like, you know, 50 years, 100 years, they're going to be using

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APU Pepe, Doge gauge. These things are going to be
around for forever, right? They're just part of the
culture. I think you, you present an
interesting question about, you know, where does the meme, where
does the meme come from? And, and do they tell us what
the meme is or do we tell them? And I think there is I think

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there is a relationship there that is not clear because on the
one hand, the the meme, I think the meme has to the meme has to
predate the coin. I think, in fact, one of my
biggest criticisms of some of these meme coins is that the
fact that they are a coin is thememe.

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And that's not a meme coin to me.
To me, a meme 1 is a coin of a meme.
And perhaps that's like a puristapproach, if you can even call
it that. But I don't see these other, I
don't see I, I just think that if the, if the main element of
your meme or your coin is the absurdity of it all, there's
like there's a nihilism embeddedin there that will negate all

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optimism, I think. And so it's difficult, it's
difficult to branch or convert acoin into a movement or into a
cult into a movement when the core of it is just absurdity and
nihilism. I just don't see that evolving
into anything. And for example, like Gig, Gig

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is a good example. You guys have evolved into more
than just a coin. Tell me a little bit about that.
Yeah, of course, of course. So we, you know, we realized
pretty early on like a way to kind of attract the retail norm
investor who's not typically on crypto Twitter is to, you know,
actually put some value behind the coin, put something besides
just the meme. You know, the meme on its own

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is, you know, a multi billion dollar meme.
If you can, you know, put a value on a meme, then at least
in my opinion. But yeah, So what we've created
as the Giga community is the first decentralized company.
So what we're creating right nowis Giga Fitness, which is a
company based on Giga Chad the meme.
But it's evolved into, you know,this whole fitness brand where
we have clothing, pre workouts, protein powders, energy drinks,

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supplements, all of these things.
Why? One, it's gonna, you know, bring
more attention to the coin via, you know, everybody wearing the
clothing, drinking the protein powders, all this stuff.
But then two, it also creates, you know, community incentives
where now the community is, you know, participating in something
more than just, you know, talking in the telegram.
Now it's like, hey, look, you know, new product or hey, we all

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follow the same UFC fighter. It becomes more of like a family
where everybody's pushing the exact same, I guess, you know,
business. We want all of all of the
community wants this business tobe successful because it does
help the corn, right? When you say decentralized
company, let's color in the lines a little bit about what
that means. What what?
What does that exactly mean? It means that everybody, you

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know, can work on the company asthey see fit, right?
Like nobody gets paid to work onthe company.
We have, you know, 1020, thirty,40-50 guys, you know, help it
out where they can. But it is decentralized in the
sense that there is no central point of failure and there is no
central leader. It's everybody contributing how
they see fit. For example, like 1, one of my
favorite products is the Giga Fitness hat that we have.

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You know, it's a really cool hat.
I'm actually wearing it right now.
It's got this QR code embedded in the hat that goes right to
the coin website, right? That's something that was really
cool. But it's decentralized because a
community member just went out, built it himself and said, hey
guys, look, we should sell these, right?
Another community member, he's doing energy drinks.
Another another community member, he's just doing the

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supplements and all comes together under one umbrella that
promotes the coin. OK, So when when you say
decentralized, when you say decentralized company, perhaps
I'm approaching this from a perspective that's too
technical, but I'm thinking articles of incorporation, I'm
thinking board of directors, I'mthinking CEO, I'm thinking of

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shares. So who?
Who is actually making decisionsfor the company?
The well, I guess that is a fairquestion.
I guess in that sense, it is like, I guess centralized.
There are, you know, a core group of people that do make the
quote UN quote decisions. But the idea of being a
decentralized company is that everybody is able to contribute

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where they want. So it's like decentralized in
the sense that we have decentralized workers, we have
decentralized contributors. But in terms of I guess you
know, does the energy drink go on the website?
Yes, I guess that would be, you know, a group of you know, 1020
guys that are making that decision.
OK. So, OK, So what you're saying is

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these people are essentially volunteering?
Yes. OK, they're volunteers and when
they so but but if someone creates a disgusting thing and
wants to put it on on the website or sell it, you guys can
say no. Yeah, or it's, I mean for the
products that go on the website,like typically, you know, at the

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beginning it's you know, a little bit more sensuous, but
eventually it's gonna become something where people vote on
whether or not this product can make make to the website.
OK, OK. So what this is, is in some ways
it's like a Co-op isn't the right word, but it it's just
shareholders are allowed to volunteer if if we're going to

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use corporate terms. Yes, shareholders are allowed to
volunteer, but again, the incentives are different because
now all these products help support Gig of the Coin.
Right. OK.
I hear, I see what you're saying.
OK, right. It would be the same incentive
if, if I'm a shareholder of a company, I I'd like to
contribute so that the company performs better, right.
It's the same incentive structure.

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Exactly, and what makes this, you know, I guess maybe not
decentralized, but different in a way is now we have a holder
base where, you know, everybody said, hey, look, we want, you
know, you know, workout lifting straps.
So some guy goes out to make workout lifting straps.
Now the whole community is happybecause they're all, you know,
happy that hey, now we have thisproduct we all loaded on.
Now they're going to buy this product.
This is what really sets Giga apart, Giga Fitness apart from

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other companies is that we have this built in community that
kind of wants these types of products, right?
They want to contribute, they want to see the success of this.
It's very different than like it's like say Nike for example.
Like nobody is making products for Nike to go on the Nike
website. Yes, they can own Nike stock,
they can own Nike shares, but they aren't necessarily a

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decentralized company, right versus Giga.
It's kind of like the community creates these things, they push
these products, they decide whatis going to go on the website,
what's going to be sold, and that's ultimately what makes us
a lot different. It's completely turning business
models on their head because again, what is the value of, you
know, 85,000 holders, right, that all are going to try to buy

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these things. That's something that I think a
lot of companies would really bereally excited to have to have
some such a, you know, strong, strong coal like communities
supporting their products. I'm thinking about that because
that phrase decentralized company, I'm sorry, I'm I'm

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locking on to the phrase as an attorney and I shouldn't be
doing that. I'll move.
On I understand, I understand. Like technically, yes,
technically there is, you know, an incorporation of the company,
but you know, the whole idea of the company is to promote the
coin. Right.
No, I understand that, but don't.
But don't you think the coin's evolved?
I mean, don't you think that that once you've become a

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fitness lifestyle brand, don't you think that that you have now
evolved beyond a coin? That's kind of the idea yes, you
know, I think that's what a lot of these things are.
You know, I think crypto cow always talks about Pbas and all
like all of these cult like communities, A lot of these
Maraud coin. They are all, they're all
evolving past, you know, just a simple meme coin. 100% And

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that's, I think, I think it's why you chose them.
Do you think there's a connection?
There's there's clearly an element of masculinity to this
coin there, There's clearly a sort of this meditation on what
masculinity is and, and core to mirage thesis is, is the sort of

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disenfranchising of of young people.
Yes. What What amount, if any?
And how do you think that phenomenon plays into giga?
Sorry you cut it out there. I I think you're asking about or
actually can you just ask the question I can cut out?
Sure What? What amount of what amount?

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Central to Marat's thesis is this idea that young people are
being disenfranchised and there's also a reoccurring focus
or visiting of the subject of masculinity as it exists today.
What amount of gigas? Trajectory and ethos do you
think is influenced by this meditation on masculinity?

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I think it's a huge part, right Moran always talks about, you
know, movements and mission coins.
One of the core theses and missions of giga is to promote
masculinity, fitness, self improvement.
I think that's, you know, what better way to do that than
through, you know, a fitness lifestyle brand, a coin that
promotes, you know, a bunch of men coming together, working
hard and kind of keeping each other accountable because but.

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Why? Why is that?
Let's can we take a step back from crypto for a second?
Let's take, let's take a, a stepback from crypto.
Why is this happening through a meme coin?
I mean, are, are we? Don't you think that it's kind
of a distressing signal or, or a, a, a, a societal flair to see
that it is now CT meme coins? Well, I guess not NCT

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exclusively, but it is now meme coins that have championed the
cause of reforming and embracingmasculinity.
What? Why do you think that's
happening? I I don't think that it's coming
through meme coins, I think. Can you carry it?
Yeah, it's, it's chopping a bit,but I can hear you.
Alright, yeah. So I don't think that this

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movement is coming through meme coins.
I think the meme coin is a vessel to bring to light and
kind of expand on the movement that's already going on.
You know, you can see it in every single Gen.
Z voting trend. You know, you can see the rise
of masculine, you can see peoplelike Joe Rogan, the popularity
of him. You know, I, I know that you're
going through your fitness journey as well.
Like this movement has been growing and it's been, you know,

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growing for the past, you know, 5-10 years or what not.
Meme coins are just a vessel in which we can promote this
movement because, you know, like, like I was saying with the
memes in real life, we don't tokenize or we don't make the
meme and then tell the world what the meme is.
The the world tells us what the meme is and we tokenize.
It's the same thing with the movement, right?

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The movement towards masculinity, the shift towards
working out, being healthy, all of these things.
That's already a movement. We are simply a vessel in which
people can kind of gather around.
They can, you know, be financially incentivized to push
and amplify even further. Right now I see that, I see
that. I guess what I'm saying is how

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absent minded or how, how vacantis from from our, or I should
say, how absent, how absent fromthe normal discourse are these
subjects? Or is the subject of masculinity
such that it has become the driving, motivating or animating
force of a meme coin? I mean, that's pretty

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spectacular. Yes, 100%, I guess.
Yeah. It's just the way the world's
moving towards, right. It's like, like I was saying
earlier, like the rise of Joe Rogan's of the world, the Andrew
Tates of the world, all these things.
People have been gravitating towards this type of content for
a long time. And it really means that the
world's been going in, You know,it's been going South for a long
time. And I think this is kind of the

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meme that really just encapsulates the way society is
shifting. You know, we always talk about,
you know, the way the pendulum swings.
It swings too far left, swings too far right, you know, back
and forth swings forever and ever.
And this is kind of, I guess oneof the first, the ways that the
entire world is coming together and saying, Hey, look, we're
putting our foot down, you know,let's, you know, be men again,

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let's promote masculinity. Let's take accountability, you
know, let's have confidence and believe in ourselves again.
And I think, you know, the meme coin, again, the fact that it's
coming through a meme coin, I, Idon't think that's the correct
way to say it because I think this movements been, you know,
going on for a long time. This is just the first way that,
you know, the Internet and, you know, the world has been
deciding like, hey, look, we canall do this type of thing

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together. It's better if it's financially
incentivized and we're all in the same pathway.
But it's go this the world's going this way, with or without
us. I think that right now we have a
lot of coins that are turning into movements.
And I think that, for example, could you imagine a coin that
championed the movement of, let's say, being environmentally

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friendly? Do you see a coin like that
succeeding in today's market? I don't know if I'd see a coin
in today's bar succeeding because again, like.
All of these. Coins, at the end of the day,
they are price vessels and I don't think enough people, at
least on crypto Twitter, could get behind this type of coin
like a environmental coin because they just don't.

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They just don't care enough. You know, I could be wrong.
But isn't it also? So that's what That's sure.
Perhaps, but I think they might not care because it's not,
there's, there's not, there's not a scarcity with regards to
this subject, right? Everyone in the world is talking
about this, I think perhaps eventoo much.
And so there's, there's no, there's no room for that, right?

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I think if you look at SPX 6900,if you look at Giga, if you look
at some of these coins, there's a, these coins from a, if we
look at it from like a social Darwinism, right?
There's like a a vacuum that existed culturally, spiritually
that that these coins sort of rose to fill.

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And I think that that can only Iguess what I'm getting at here
is what a testament to to how far we have fallen as a society
to the point where a coin can successfully wrap itself around
when this mission. I feel like if you went back in
time to the 1950s or 60s and said that this is going to like,
this is a movement, I think men would look at you and say, what

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the hell are you talking about? Right?
I think they'd be, they'd be puzzled by, I mean, they'd be
puzzled by crypto in general, But but if they said there was
some kind of movement, I think they'd be very puzzled by that.
I guess it's so that's, I guess just the point that I'm, I'm
trying to make here. But you know how.
How important to you do you think?
Or how much do you resonate withthe the PVE elements of of

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Marat's thesis? I resonate pretty strong with
that I definitely definitely seekind of these like community
cult like coins. I really appreciate especially
yeah like the APU stuff, you know, the SPX stuff.
I appreciate what's been growingout of these things and the PV E
elements of them is been very refreshing.
You know, it's difficult to see on crypto Twitter, everybody PvP

(26:47):
ING, but then you know, you see,you know, yourself or different
SPX guys or you know, even giga guys, all is kind of supporting
one another. And I think that's, you know,
been a really, you know, big thing that's been going on,
especially recently. Now that you know, people are
starting to get tired of the trenches, They're starting to
get tired of the of the Kols rugging everybody and
everybody's kind of gravitating towards this PV style of meme

(27:08):
coins. And I think that's, you know,
the future and where these things are going to go because
it's the only logical, the only logical place to end up.
You know, once once you get rinsed in the trenches too long.
Why do you think people keep going back to the trenches?
They keep going back to the trenches because they're
addicted. You know it's.
Losing money. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's the

(27:29):
same, same thing as the guy who goes to the casino every weekend
or, you know, the guy who plays,you know, fucking sports bets
10, like parlays every weekend. Like, yeah, they're losing
money. But, you know, until you
actually sit down and put a spreadsheet and calculate all
your losses, you don't really realize when you're losing 50
bucks a day, it doesn't seem toobad.
But, you know, once you do it for six months and count it up,

(27:49):
oh, shit. I I just lost what, like 15
grand? Yeah.
Yeah, I, I think there's a, there's an element of, of
degenerate gambling, but I, I think, I think there's also, I
don't know, I haven't, I haven'tthought too much about why

(28:10):
people keep going back to it. I, I again, I think they keep
going back. It's the same reason somebody
keeps placing the 10 lake parlayevery week, right?
It's. You don't realize how much
you're down until you actually sit down and calculate and do
your spreadsheets and actually run the numbers.
Do you Speaking of PDE, do you have any?

(28:36):
When did you first meet or interact with APU?
Sorry, say that again when I interacted with APU.
Yeah. What was your first introduction
to APU like? Probably super 888.
Just like being annoying, trolling, you know, doing this,
doing this super thing. Gotcha.

(28:56):
And what was that like for? You.
That was good. I love super.
Yeah. It's just friendly banter back
and forth. I'd like can I get your opinion
on something? Yeah, let's hear it.
Are you familiar with this? I am not.
Looks like you guys are. Well, I heard it earlier on the
stream. You guys are.

(29:21):
Griff can. You hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you now. Oh, sorry, I was clicking on the
video. Yeah, I I saw this earlier today
when you guys talked about this.Congratulations.
That's amazing. Oh no I didn't.
Thanks. I didn't mean the hyper liquid.
Oh yeah, that is cool though. I just meant the website.
Have you seen this website? Oh, the website?
No, no, this was back in the day.
I think somebody said something about, yeah, look at our

(29:43):
website. It's like, oh, it's a cool
website, man. You think it's a cool website?
All right, it's a website. What's what do you mean?
Like it's a website. Like it's, you know, everybody's
got a cool website. I don't know if everyone's got a
cool website. But I don't know, I remember I
was, I was talking to some APU guy.
Actually, you're right. I talked to some APU guy who's

(30:04):
like, hey, check out a website. I was like, yeah, it's OK.
It's a website. Like I, I don't, I don't know
too much. It seems like you guys are
extremely like, like extremely proud of the website.
So maybe I I brushed brushed a couple feathers there.
What's your favorite? What do you know what I love
about this? By the way, it's like because

(30:25):
this is version 2. Did you see version 1?
I think I was talking about version one when I was
introduced to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So. So this is version 2 and it's
like there's so much lore. Have you ever read the Book of
Lore? I have not read the book of
what's What's the book of lore? So there's a, there's a, there's

(30:46):
an entire, the, the book of APU.It's our, it's our lore book,
right? And it's, it's like it has all
these chapters. I don't know if you can see it
here, the genesis, the, the legend of the gene and pen the
caution it like there's, it's all these, like all these, these
are real things. Like these are real moments of
APU history. And, and not just APU history,

(31:06):
like of, of the meme itself, butalso the community.
This is pretty, this is probablymy favorite part of the, of the
and then all the attention to detail.
You see how his eyes are following the cursor here?
Yep. Yeah, no, it's looking good.
Yeah. Do you think, do you think that
there's you think it, I mean, atthe end of the day, it's just a

(31:27):
website, right? It's like not no one's buying
coins based off of the website, right?
Yeah, I think that was my my initial like, you know, running
with Abu is like, hey, look at look at self.
Like I don't even go to the Gigachat website that often.
How do you buy your giga stuff? But well, we have a Giga Fitness

(31:49):
website that's separate, like the Giga Chat Coin website is.
I mean, yeah, no, we have a goodwebsite too.
But it's like, I don't think many people, at least, at least
in today's day and age, they're going to the website and they're
buying a coin because of a website.
I think all the other factors are the reason they buy the
coin. Yeah, no, we're we're just
messing, messing with you. If you if you a while back you

(32:10):
made some comments about the website.
We just wanted to get your your thoughts on it now and.
I mean, the website looks good. Yeah, no, the website looks
good. I've just you guys just said
hey, yeah, cool. Well, I guess like, like like, I
don't know what to say. It's.
No, I hear you. I hear you.
Listen, you get sideways with the frog.

(32:32):
Silas with frog. Oh, Silas with frog.
Yeah, OK, I'll, I'll stay straight with frogs.
I'm just saying if like it's, ifI've seen it, I've seen it, I've
seen people on the timeline. They don't, you know, they,
they, they mess with the wrong frog.
And the problem isn't even that it's like a serious thing.
It could be a totally silly, youknow, benign conversation.

(32:53):
But there is a particular brand of autism, a particular type
that has this like it's obsessive almost.
And then before you know it, there are 40 frogs in your
comments, right? There are 40 opus.
And they're not even really mad at you as much as they're just
they're just not gonna stop. They're just going to
incessantly berate you with memes.

(33:17):
And I've and and then and then, you know, we saw this earlier.
Do you are you do you are you been following the the IMF
story? I have not been following that.
OK. So that's like, that's an
example, right? It's a fascinating thing.
I know they're going through something right now, so I'm not
going to lay it on too thick, but I'll just I'll say that my
thoughts and prayers are with them and you know, hopefully

(33:40):
they'll be all right. But anyways, I guess the point
is just that it's, you know, there's, I think some people
think, you know, we, we were talking about Unite the memes a
few months ago. We kind of started this, this
movement slash statement, reallythis campaign, I think is the
best word for it. And I think it means different
things to different people. And I don't want to be the one

(34:01):
to say, hey, like I will decide what it means.
I don't want to say that becauseI don't think that's fair, but
I, I will. I will say, hey, here's what it
doesn't mean. I don't think it means that you
need to buy every coin. I don't even think it means you
need to worship every coin. I don't think it means you need
to like every coin. I think what it means, and this

(34:24):
is, I understand how in the context that we just talked
about, this sounds like it's about you, but it's really not
the the community really does appreciate you, I think.
But just back to the conversation of PV, there's,
there's, I think what it does, what it does mean is just that
we shouldn't engage in PvP. That hurts people and that hurts

(34:46):
communities because at the end of the day, it actually brings
everybody down. And I posted a meme about there.
Not a meme. I made a post about this the
other day where it's like these two single digit $1,000,000
market cap coins are like fighting with one another.
And then on, you know, over on the left, you have SPX, you
know, $2 billion going. We're going to change the
fucking world, right? It's like 2 very different kinds

(35:07):
of conversations going on. And, and, and I think that I
think that we're seeing more andmore people begin to embrace
this idea of like, let's just not fight.
It's just a bad look, you know? Yeah, no, I, I guess that's fair
enough. I've had a have a fair share of

(35:29):
conversations regarding that, I think.
Yeah, shifting, shifting my mindset regarding that.
I don't, I don't necessarily think that, you know, fighting
is the right word, but you know,I think, you know, people should
be feet should be free to speak their mind.
You know, it's like, like, again, everybody makes mistakes.
Everybody kind of like has theiropinions on certain things.

(35:49):
And, you know, in this world of,you know, masculinity that we
were talking about earlier wherewe're moving towards a anti
censorship kind of world, right?Everybody hates censorship.
You know, I think everybody's opinion should be respected.
And yeah, you know, sometimes, you know, me or anybody else
saying, hey, look, it's, you know, you probably shouldn't be
doing this. This doesn't make any sense.
I don't think anybody should be silenced for saying that.

(36:10):
And it's yeah, I guess going back to your point of, you know,
uniting the memes, like there isa difference between, you know,
fighting and like, hey, I don't agree with you, right.
And I think that's kind of, you know, a healthy kind of way to
to look at things is, you know, hey, look, this is what I think.
Hey, this is what you think. But, you know, everybody at the

(36:30):
end of the day does need to be be heard.
And, you know, everybody's opinions is are definitely,
definitely appreciated. So I I agree with you in that
sense. Like, I don't think we should be
fighting. I don't necessarily think,
especially with, you know, the UN quote PBA coins, I don't
think they're fighting, but you know, I could be, could be wrong

(36:50):
if it's misinterpreted other ways.
No, I, well, I just mean that there are and I, and I wasn't
talking about like I wasn't talking about Giga by any means.
In fact, all I see on the timeline is there seems to be a
really strong relationship between Giga and APU.
I see it all the time. In fact, when a lot of our

(37:10):
members, they're like they have Giga in their names, one of one
of our most prominent creators, actually, his name is Gigapoo,
right? Like that's his name.
And so I, I've seen it like a lot of overlap.
I just think that I'm seeing people, I'm seeing people
embrace it more and more, even to the even to the extent where

(37:31):
I had Starkiller on here a few weeks ago from the retardio
community and and he was this isgoing to be awesome.
And he you know, he he had a past with APU where he wasn't
particularly, we didn't, we didn't see eye to eye, but we
like made-up, you know, and it was a pretty, I thought a
wholesome moment. So I think people are ready for

(37:53):
that. People are ready for that.
You know what people aren't ready for, Griff?
People aren't ready for the one,the only cryptic modge.
How are you doing, man? It's crashing.
Oh, let's not launch How we doing man?
Couldn't. Miss.
This. Oh, mod, you have a bit of an
echo there. Let's see if we can fix that.
Let's see if we can. Let's see.

(38:14):
OK, that's better. Perfect.
No. No.
You're good. You're going to be fixing to fix
it. Look at the hat.
He's wearing the hat. There we go.
Look at that hat. It's a gorgeous hat.
Look at that thing. That's a.
It's a it's a freaking $80 hat for any other company.
And I've, I, we, I just learned Munge live on stream that
there's a QR code on the back ofthat hat.

(38:34):
Right on the brim. Oh OK, I thought it was on the
back. Yeah, right on.
Pretty sweet. Very cool.
And So what does that QR code take take us to?
It takes you to the link tree where you can buy Giga, you can
go to the Giga Fitness website, all these things.
It's really cool cuz one of the ideas with the QR code and the
hat is people will come up and be like, what's that hat?

(38:56):
What's that QR code on the underside?
You flip it over, they scant like what the hell is going on
here, right? It's been 1 of actually my most
successful onboarding tools. And I think, you know, as as we
grow as a community, as more people buy hats, start wearing
the hats, you know, see them everywhere, right?
A great, great way to get peopleon board is, you know, to
actually get them to scan the QRcode, go straight to Coinbase,

(39:20):
go straight to moon shot. You can buy the coin right
there. I wanna Griff, I I have to
apologize for a second there. There's something going on in
the comments that I just have toaddress.
Yeah, I wanted to fucking address it too.
That let me, let me, let me, letme just let me just address
this. I appreciate the kind words that
this individual is, is saying towards me and towards the show.

(39:41):
If you really, if you really feel that way about about me and
about the show, you know, and you and you've been listening,
you've you've been hearing that PvP is not the way to go.
It's not it's not the way to go.And so I don't know what project
you're affiliated with, but I think you're doing your own
project to great disservice by behaving the way you're behaving
in the comments. And I would appreciate it if you

(40:02):
stopped. I'd appreciate it if you treated
the guests and everyone else with respect and kindness.
And, and that's that. And I, and I hate the fact that
I even have to make this kind ofannouncement, but it's been
incessant. I don't address comments
typically when they're especially if they're like of a
hateful nature. But when it's incessant, you
know, there's just, there's justnot a reason to behave that way.
I don't, I don't care who it is.So at any rate, sorry about that

(40:24):
guys. I hate that I had to do that.
Oh I, I can't, I'm not even reading the comments.
I didn't even know anybody was talking shit.
It's better that way. Monj, can you can you tell us?
But before we even get and I love that I love that Monj
crashes the stream. You know the thing Griff, is
that once you have the link to the stream, you can always like
it's it's basically always open for you to just pop by.

(40:44):
I can't promise that I'll alwayspull someone up, but it's
basically open forever. I want to to get back to this
fitness and and Griff, have you been watching the the Giga Mon?
Just help me out with what it's called Giga Fitness, Giga Giga
Motion, Giga Motion, the Giga Motion podcast.

(41:06):
Yes, yes, I have. It's got got interested in some
of the peptides that they were talking about last week.
Gonna have to do some do some research and maybe hop on them.
There it's was it, Was it PBC orwhat?
What were the letters of? BPC 157.
BPC. OK, dangerous combination of

(41:28):
letters and sounds to let peoplewith like you know, you don't
know how people are gonna hear that, but for there are many
times where. I was going, you'd order a BBC
157. I don't know what that.
Is but they could might be a bitdifferent, right.
So what Griff are you were you? Well, I guess you're, you're
just, you're just a community member.
You don't identify as like the but I was wondering if you could

(41:50):
tell us a little bit about what was the inspiration behind and
maybe both of you could touch onthis a little bit about
starting, you know, like really,I guess taking this next step
into the fitness life and and lifestyle brand.
Yeah, of course. So I guess you know, the main
inspiration, right, the the whole reason that we're, you

(42:11):
know, creating this fist cup is kind of to promote the, you
know, the masculinity, self improvement, fitness aspect that
we are trying to promote with this coin.
But also this is a great way to onboard retail, right?
Like I was saying earlier with the QR code, you have QR codes
on the energy drinks, protein powders, all these things.
Now suddenly people are buying these products, they're wearing
giga fitness gear. Oh, there's a coin attached to

(42:32):
that. Let me check that out.
You know, it's very similar to like, you know, imagine if, if
every, you know, every girl wears their Al yoga stuff,
right? Imagine if there's a coin, they
found out there's a coin attached to that.
That's gonna suddenly be really interesting.
And this is again, one of the reasons why Gigachad was
attracted to me in the 1st placewas because it was such a well
known meme that, you know, retail investors, they're able

(42:54):
to, you know, participate and they're able to understand that,
you know, tack on another marketing tool and marketing
flywheel like Giga Fitness. That's, that's kind of a slam
dunk in my opinion. And that's kind of why we
started this thing. And Manjan?
And what about you? Yeah, I mean, I've always loved
fitness, been a big part of my life, helped me through a lot of

(43:16):
bad times in my life. So when I found Giga, Giga was
the first coin that kind of brought me into meme coins in
the sense of I got Popcat at 5 million, traded it, you know,
sold it at 400 million, made money, didn't understand it,
right? It was just like a cat with its
mouth open. You know, I got whiff early,
fumble that one, but still made money on it, just didn't get it.

(43:38):
And then my buddy told me to go check out this Gigaco and he's
like, dude, you've been working out your whole life, go check it
out. I go into the telegram and it
says do 30 push ups and read thethreads.
And I was like, I love that. I was like known for doing push
ups when I was a dock builder. I would do them at lunch.
It was like a big joke. And I got in there and then I
realized this is February of last year.

(44:01):
So coin was like sub 10 million market cap didn't have any of
these big names in it yet like the Mike O'hearns.
But they were talking about all that stuff.
They were saying we're going to build a fitness line, we're
going to build a supplement line.
We're going to get big names like Mike O'hearn.
They were, they were saying all this stuff and they were a sub
$10 million coin. And that's kind of when it
clicked and I realized, oh, thisis meme coins are like monetized

(44:24):
social networks, you know, And that was when I really, it
really clicked for me. And then I had all these union
guys, right? Because I made this money in
meme coins. And I'm like, man, I wish I
could go if, if these guys that I just worked with could turn a
couple grand into 100 grand, it would change their lives.
Like it changed mine. And I just knew if I were to
call them and say, Hey, I figured out how you guys make

(44:46):
some money. It's a cat with its mouth open.
Like they would have just laughed in my face.
But then when I came to them with, hey, look, it's the Giga
Chad meme. Like, do you know it?
It's like that, that square chinguy.
And even if they didn't know it,I was like, what it stands for
is, you know, masculinity, self improvement.
And I really pitched it as a meme company because that's
always how I saw it. The, the, the company side of

(45:08):
it, I always found super unique,you know, it's almost like a
chance to get in on the floor of, of a, like a Internet Nike
type thing. You know, that's why that's
really I found super interestingand the guys were receptive to
it, you know, and and I just started to onboard a bunch of
them and I just don't think theywould have been receptive if it,

(45:29):
that wasn't the ethos or the message of the coin that the
build of the coin. You know, I almost pitched it as
an investment, not as a meme coin.
I actually rarely say the word meme coin when I onboard someone
from retail because I think thatconnotation is a negative
connotation to it, right? Meme coins.
So I started just calling it a meme company.

(45:49):
And that word is so introvert. You go, well, what, what's that?
And then I would explain it. And I found that to be super
unique to Giga for me. I was like, I could get behind
this. Do you hear my kids screaming in
the background? A little bit, but I just turned
on background noise cancellationon your side, so that should be
better. Sorry about that.
It's a. War up there.

(46:10):
It's it's it's bedtime, I guess.Yes, yeah, yeah.
I really left left my wife behind with the with the
terrorists. Yes.
Right. You know, I wanted to touch on
one thing that you were talking about before where you said why
do people keep going back to thetrenches?
And I think I found a pretty good explanation for it, right?

(46:31):
And it's that famous rat park experiment.
You familiar with that from the 70s where they have, right.
They have the isolated rats and they have water and morphine
water in the cage. And when they're alone, almost
all the rats that were alone, they would, they would drink the
morphine water and most of them would overdose and die.
But then they would take those same rats and they would put

(46:52):
them in what they called the ratpark.
And it was 200 times the size. It had toys, it had males and
females in it. And those same rats, they
wouldn't drink the morphine water even though it was in
there. And when I look at that, So what
that proved was that addiction could be driven by environment
as well. That addiction is not just
genetic, It could be fueled by your environment.

(47:13):
And how I look at the trenches is it's an addiction.
It is, it's a gambling addictionfor sure.
It's just masqueraded as trading, investing, whatever you
want to call it. But the reason why people do
that and then they stop doing itwhen they find these good coins
like gig up who SPX is because if you're now part of a bigger
community, there is no friends in the trenches.

(47:33):
None. Your, your, your, your homies,
you're all racing to the door like that.
There is no, there is no loyalty, there is no friendship.
And I think that's why when you see people go to these big, to
these big coins, they, they stayout of the trenches.
And the truth is we could all goback to the trenches right now
if we wanted to, right? We could go drink that water.

(47:54):
It's right there, but we won't 'cause we don't see the value in
it. And then I think that's for me,
that that's how I best explain why people stay in the trenches.
Cause 'cause they don't even try.
They don't even try to go to a big community.
They don't try to go to the rat Park.
They just stay in that cage, bro.
They just keep drinking that water.
Wow, Yeah, no, that's profound. I, you know, I skipped over it

(48:16):
entirely. I never even, I, I think a lot
of people start in the trenches and then they get over to ETH
memes or just memes in general. And I skipped that entirely.
And in fact, I was talking the other day and I was, I was like,
maybe I'll take some money, I'llgo trade perps, you know, maybe
I'll do that. And I was like, the odds say I
lose a lot of money, never mind.And so I just didn't do it.

(48:40):
I'm just like, maybe I'll just maybe I'll just hold, maybe I'll
just do what I've been talking about, you know, But there was a
moment this sort of like a whisper from the abyss that was
like trade perps. And I was like, Nope, don't want
to. I don't want.
To that's another one. A lot of people trade perps act
like they're a trader. They don't.
They they don't. I used to trade options for a

(49:01):
living. Trading is a skill.
It's it takes a lot of discipline.
You need a system. Guardian could explain this 100
times better than me. But you trade emotionless and CT
is full of just emotion driven people.
And if you let emotions drive your trading, you will lose all
your money every time. I never saw so many people top

(49:23):
blast range highs with 60X leverage until I came to crypto
like in like in in like trad 5 there you not never see that
something's shredding at a rangehigh.
People are waiting, you know, but in crypto Twitter, they see
a green candle like 60X ravage long let's go and they get wiped
out in 3 minutes like, and that's because it's emotion,

(49:43):
right? They they're chasing the green
candles. That's yeah.
It's just not how it works. I would skip that.
You could skip right over that whole experience.
Trust me on that one. Maaji, it sounds like there is a
war going on there, it sounds like.
I mean, it is, it's essentially a war, you know, as I like
equate it to like, you know, just like it's like like ISIS

(50:06):
terrorists, like where as an American, it's like you're like,
you're acting like a terrorist and like, well, we actually made
you. So I get it, but I don't get it.
That's that is children in a nutshell.
Griff, do you have kids? I did not have kids, so no war
going on in my house right now. Not yet, right?

(50:26):
There's a there's a a there are two interpretations.
I want to get both of your takeson this.
There are there are two interpretations of modern day
masculinity. 1 is this like Stoicism, if you're familiar,
right, this sort of like be emotionless, be sort of
resilient and unwavering, be stoic, right?

(50:50):
That's what Stoicism is. And then there's this like
masculinity is being vulnerable.It's like, it's weird, it's like
this, it's, it's like masculinity is being not what
traditional masculinity. It's like a very strange
interpretation of it, but I I actually do understand the I do

(51:11):
understand some of the undertones of it.
But I was wondering, Griff, if we could start with you and then
Monge, where do you fall in this?
Like, you know, what is masculinity?
Is it is it more of the stoicism?
Is it more of this be vulnerablekind of thing?
Is there a happy medium? What?
What say you? I definitely learn more in the
Stoicism camp. You know, there's definitely a
happy medium in the sense that, you know, not 100% Stoic, not

(51:33):
100% vulnerable. But in my view it leans kind of
more like 7030. OK, OK, Marge, what about?
You yeah, I think that's fair. I think a lot of stoicism.
One one thing that was cool for me was I came from Wall Street,
right where it's a bunch of these like macho asshole guys

(51:57):
and like that's masculinity to them.
And then I became a union dock builder and worked with like
real, like kill, you know, like just real tough men.
And what you felt, what I found out was on the job, like the
toughest guys were the nicest guys, you know, and, and they
had the most respect. And it wasn't because they were
threatening people. It was because that was like the

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energy that they carried. And I learned a lot from that.
Jesus, that was when I learned that that's what I learned what
masculinity was to me. It's, it's the, the gentle giant
in that sense. But you fuck around and you're
going to, they're going to drop the tool belt and get the shit
kicked out of you. So.
Right, right. I think there's a Griff to your

(52:38):
point there, there is a mix. Where do you think where does it
come from? I mean, I think this narrative
of like real men cry kind of thing like this, this like
narrative of what masculinity is, where do you think that
comes from? That I I think that's kind of
just like reported by the media right it's you know it's the
whole dad mods are in type of thing like these.

(52:59):
These are things so, you know, weakened men and I definitely
see the shift, you know, you cansee the shift in every single
voting trend, every single, you know, popular speaker that's
been going around that, you know, this whole leaning too far
left, you know, leaning too far into, you know, cried real men
cry real men, you know, are, youknow, fat, all these kinds of
things. I don't think these are things

(53:19):
that are good for society personally.
I don't think, you know, any mantruly deep down believes that
that's what being a man is. So I think it's kind of more
like a coping mechanism that, you know, it's, it's kind of
like, I don't know, the the guy who says he's not addicted to
weed, but he smokes the bong at 8:00 AM as soon as he wakes up,
right? It's like, yeah, you know,
weed's not addicted. But, yeah, here we are, you

(53:39):
know, coping at the same time. So it's, yeah, it's, it's kind
of, you know, in my opinion, just the way, you know, the
world's been for the past, you know, 50 or so years where we've
kind of pushed men so, you know,towards this corner.
And now we're seeing this shift come so far back.
But, you know, there is a happy medium, at least in my view.
And yeah, I think it's definitely something that, you

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know, is being tokenized like wewere talking about earlier.
But it's not only being tokenized, you know, it's
spreading on its own. It's spreading without token.
Yeah, I think academia did a lotof that, right?
Because, you know, like, you go to you go to college and that's
kind of where a lot of this toxic masculinity stuff started.

(54:23):
I watched it, right? I graduated in 2011.
My last class, one of my last selectives, I just needed to
pick any class. And all these chicks I used to
hang out with, we're taking thisLGBTQ class.
So I just took it with them. And the whole class was about,
you know, toxic masculinity and how bad it is for society.
And what's ironic about that is like the greatest thinkers, the

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greatest minds of, of, of human beings, Socrates, all of them,
they weren't just philosophers. They did physical activities
every day. They were known for being great
wrestlers in all this. And then for some reason, as we
kept going, we separated the two.
But really the mind and the bodyare the same thing.
And I think we're going to, we're seeing that kind of come

(55:08):
back in full swing where like you could read all the books you
want, but like, that's just sharpening your mind.
You need to sharpen your body too if you want to perform on
the best levels. You want to be like your your
best self, so to speak, like it.It's both of those things and I
think they could coexist. They have to coexist. 100%.

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Man, why you guys think that? Do you guys think there was a
legitimate cause for this sort of refocusing or or reimagining
of what it means to be a man? Do you think that was ever a
legitimate thing? Do you think that was ever done
in good faith or do you think from the from the get go, it's
always kind of been a a nefarious thing?

(55:52):
I personally think it's always been a nefarious thing.
Yeah, same much. Yeah, I agree, Andre.
I, I, I think that was completely curated in a room
full of suits that was, you know, in these ivory towers.
That was never something that naturally happens, right?
I just don't see it like that. I mean, you go back to the 50s

(56:16):
and 60s and these blue collar guys were, you know, they were
like heroes. That was who society looked at
and in a lot of ways, right? And they worked one job, the
wife stayed at home, raised the kids.
They had a car, they had a house.
They could go on vacation once ayear.
And then we kind of by the by the 90s, it got told to us like
to like my, my, my parents, thatgeneration that if your kid

(56:37):
doesn't go to college and he works with his hands, he's a,
he's an idiot, He's a knuckle dragon idiot.
And he's not educated. And what was ironic about that?
As you Fast forward, you know, 25 years and, and here we are in
most of those jobs are about to get taken over by AI far faster
than any blue collar job. And most of those people that
went to college just, you know, a lot of them didn't do anything

(57:01):
right. They chose a major that had no
future and, and now they're 6K, you know, 6 figures in debt and
they make 60 KA year. And yet that knuckle dragon
idiot that went into a union right out of high school has
been making A140182100 grand a year for the last eight years
and he's got a house and a car and goes on vacation.
It's kind of kind of funny how that works, right?

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Yeah, I think, and I think, I think we, you know what I hate
the most about this conversation?
Not not the conversation we're having, but this subject when
it's generally spoken about. I think that a lot of times men
don't accept the responsibility culturally that they have had

(57:49):
historically in getting here. I think a lot of people blame
feminism. I think a lot of people blame
women. And I just find that to be lame.
I just find that lame. I think if a woman got in my
face, and I don't think I know, right, that if a woman got in my
face and, and said to me, hey, you're, you're not a real man,

(58:12):
You're not this, you're not that.
I, I think I would just laugh and keep walking.
You know, I might even, I might even call the police just
depending on, you know, if I, ifI feel like, you know what I'm
kidding, but I'm just saying, you know, I, I, I would just
keep I, I'd find it funny. And I, and I wish that when I,
when I hear that what I hear is really a person releasing

(58:32):
control of their identity and their attitude and demeanor and
disposition to other people. And I find that to be troubling.
I think, I think if you go, if, if you rewind, This is why I
asked the question a second ago about was it a good faith sort
of a reformation? I don't think the problem was

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ever the ideals of what it meantto be a man.
I think the problem was more andmore so men's were falling short
of that. I think that was happening.
And then and then because of thethe gap between those two
things, I think people started wondering.
Well. Maybe in many ways it's kind of

(59:18):
the first like DEI kind of thingwhere people are like, oh wow,
like the men are kind of not that anymore.
Let's let's change what it meansto be a man.
Then if, if they can't be here, then maybe we need to bring this
down because because I, I don't,I don't think, I don't think
that it was originally done. I don't think when they did this

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in academia, I don't think they did it knowing the consequences
it would have 6050, forty years later.
I think it was just like a hey, why?
Because because look, there are really fragile minded,
emotional, vindictive, very, very not masculine behaving men.

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And coincidentally, I find that those are the ones that kind of
walk around with the chip on their shoulder the most.
They're the most fragile. People.
Yeah. And so I, I think, I don't think
it's, I guess I, I'm, I'm speaking a lot here, but I guess
the question is, is to posing back to you is how, why is it
it's a chicken and an egg kind of thing.

(01:00:22):
Like, do do you, do you think itwas, if we're going to say that
it was feminism that did this, aren't we kind of conceding that
that that that feminism as an ideology has power over all men?
Of course there's power over allmen.
Why do you say that? Yeah, sex makes the world go
round. So then, OK, so here's and I
love thank you for saying that, because now I think we can have

(01:00:44):
a real discussion. You know, I, I find that a lot
of times when I get into this discussion with, with people,
they don't ever want to admit it.
But here's what I think happened.
I think that in a marketplace where sex makes the world go
round, I think what happened wasin, especially in academia,
women began to have a different idea of what they thought a man

(01:01:08):
was going to be. And I think what happened was
some men decided, hey, I become more sexually marketable if I
conform to this. This is the guy that's like, I
care about women's rights and hedoes it like performatively, not
genuinely feminist, right? Right.
That's that's that guy, right? That's that guy.

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And that's today's version of it.
I think that's what happened. I think that's what happened.
And I think that happened on a large scale.
What do you guys think? I, I, I kind of, I understand
the point that you're trying to make.
I kind of disagree because like we're saying earlier, it is, you
know, a bunch of suits in their ivory tower deciding whether or

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not, you know, we should push this stuff.
It's very similar to any movement that goes around like,
like, for example, like the Black Lives Matter movement,
right? That that stuff does happen
every single time there's an election.
Like these types of movements that gain a lot of fervor, they
happen around certain types of events and they're definitely
all per, they're definitely all planned.
Like, you know, COVID, for example.

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The reason why, you know, all these men are, you know, getting
vaccinated or they're, you know,scared of COVID.
It's not necessarily because they're scared of COVID.
It's because their wife is scared of COVID, right?
A lot of these people and a lot of these, I guess, like lowering
of standards of men, yes, it is true.
But, you know, there is, you know, it's been happening for so
long and it only has been happening in the West, right?

(01:02:31):
If what you were saying was correct, it wouldn't be
happening in Russia. It wouldn't be happening in, you
know, Asia or any of these otherplaces.
It's only been happening in the West where, you know, there are
these people, these suits and the ivory towers that are
pushing these types of things because, you know, when men
they, you know, lower their standards, you know, they got
to, you know, heal to the feminist movement and all these
things, they become easier to control.
And I think when people are easier to control, it's easier

(01:02:52):
to do certain things like the 2008 housing crisis, you know,
that's easier to, you know, suppress the public from that
outrage, the GameStop stuff. It's easier to suppress those
type of people, Covic. It's easier to get them to fall
in line when they're, you know, having to deal with their women
at home, telling them what what they can and what they can't do
because, you know, hey, I'm not going to have sex with you if
you don't get a vaccine. That's going to be a pretty big

(01:03:14):
deterrence for, for a lot of menfor, you know, standing up to
COVID and a lot of these things.So I, I disagree personally that
it is not a nefarious movement, because if it wasn't, if it
wasn't a nefarious movement, we'd see it all across the
world, not just in the United States, not just in Europe.
Oh, hold on. Let me, let me, let me clarify.
I think today it's absolutely nefarious.
I don't think it started that way because.

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They couldn't have. Known.
They couldn't have known. I get what you're saying.
Right. Absolutely.
Today, absolutely. Yeah, I think.
Soon. Fair question.
Yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah, that's, that's a fair
question. I, I think also what happened
too was they they decided in the90s what NAFTA, I don't know if
you know what NAFTA is where we sent all the manufacturing

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overseas, right. That was under Clinton and what
that did was that changed us from a manufacturing based
economy to a consumer based economy.
So if you are not going to buildanything anymore, you don't need
builders, right? So that was when you saw this
like real sharp pivot to academia, right?
And what that did was it createdthis crazy gap in, in how would

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you say it kind of like purpose for men, right?
You, you had a, a stretch of five decades, you know, four or
five decades where men were builders.
This is what they did. And then you just gutted the
entire infrastructure of that. And I think it kind of plays
into what you're saying. It's like, well, you take that
from them, it's like, where are they going to go?
They're just going to go where it falls, you know, and a bunch
of men just ended up in college and, you know, and, and I feel

(01:04:44):
like that that had a lot to do with it too, Was like we had a,
a real hard pivot on, on what our economy was based on.
And when, when you take away manufacturing, you take away
those blue collar jobs And like the truth is, men are supposed
to build. It's, it's been like that our
entire lives that, that like throughout human history, the
men build, the women care to thechildren, the men hunt like
that. That's just something that's
kind of ingrained in our DNA. So when you strip that from the

(01:05:08):
society itself and you kind of forced those guys to go pick for
themselves, I just, yeah, I justdon't think it worked.
You know, I think a bunch of people went to college and had
no idea what they were doing. Next thing you know, yeah,
they're male feminists trying toget laid.
You know, just, I just think it all, it all kind of plays
together. I think you're right, but I but

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I also think that like my, my, where I start to get where where
I get lost on the on the causal train.
Here is for example, I, I, I, I maybe I, I do, maybe this is a
mistake, but I pull on my own, my own experience and growing
up, I grew up. Griff, how old are you, if you

(01:05:50):
don't mind me asking? So you cut out there?
I was saying how? How old are you?
I'm 29. OK, so I'm, I'm 25.
We're we sort of came up in the same time, Monja's almost 40,
but I just can't have no idea how.
I have no idea how old. I'm 30. 5.
Yeah, there we go. Yes, that wasn't for all, but we

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came up in the same in the same sort of system culturally.
I remember being 131415 and having these like middle-aged
women put up, you know, stick a finger in my face and tell me I
was the cause of like rape culture.
I remember that and I remember thinking to myself like, I don't
even know what I'm attracted to you.
Like fuck you. It's kind of like in my brain

(01:06:34):
what I was thinking. I was like, I've never even been
in a relationship. Like what the what the fuck are
you talking about? What?
The fuck? And I remember, I remember, you
know, and then the whole like the, the whites, the white
supremacy stuff, the racism stuff, I was like, I'm an
immigrant. Like I have no, I've, I never
looked at. But even if I wasn't an
immigrant, like, like, what the hell do I have to do with what

(01:06:56):
happened 304 hundred years ago? And then and then and then, you
know, I, I just, I think that when I listen to some,
especially again, younger men, when I see younger men, I mean
men my age, I wonder why do someof them accept it?
Why do some of them go, yeah, weare the problem, toxic
masculinity this toxic masculinity that why, why, why

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does that happen? Why do you guys think that
happens? There's a lot of factors, but
you know, predominantly it's, it's just social conditioning,
right? You know, if most, most men, you
know, if you have, you know, testosterone level in the two
hundreds, you're naturally goingto be a follower.
So what what society dictates what they say, you're just going
to follow it. That's why they take it, right?
It's you know, I guess kind of similar to what we're saying

(01:07:40):
about like the treasures, like they, they just don't know any
better. They kind of are like, you know,
this quote UN quote like NPC type of person where, you know,
whatever the authority figure says goes right.
It's a ethos pathos lovers argument, right?
For a lot of men, a lot of people, you know, the ethos
argument does strike a lot stronger.
The pathos argument strikes a lot stronger than the logos
argument. So it's not necessarily I guess

(01:08:04):
like anybody's fault, but you know, it's, they just do what
they're told. You know, some people are just
simply like that. That's kind of how the world is.
Not everybody can be, you know, this freethinker type of spirit.
But you know, once the world is saying, hey, be a man, go to the
gym, do these things, you know, take responsibility, take
accountability. Once that becomes kind of the
the social norm, then those people are going to follow the

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just the same as they'd always had in the past.
Monj, what do you think? Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, society moves in groups, Groupthink for sure.
It's the same reason why back like during the Vietnam War,
like you had 18 year olds liningup to go, you know, like you
had, you had people getting drafted.
We had people ready to go to warbecause that's what everyone was

(01:08:45):
doing around them. You know what I'm saying?
I think society is, is really conditioned.
There's a man there's like an experiment where they took 10
people and they like drew a circle and and they had everyone
else say square, right? Like, no, it's a square.
No, it's a square. And by the end everyone was
saying the circle was a square. And that's, you know, that just

(01:09:06):
shows like they're like groupthink is super powerful.
And social media, the Internet made it really easy, right?
Because you could take what theycalled, right, the IT, it's the
minority, but they're the loudest, right?
The the loud minority. And then that's what the
algorithm spreads. So it's a lot easier to spread

(01:09:27):
an idea that's really actually small in the people that believe
in it, but it could get amplified over, over a huge
group of people, right? I think COVID was a great
example of that. Yeah, exactly.
Another thing I always like to think about regarding this topic
is like, you know, it used to bug me a lot.
You know, all these quote UN quote like NPCS, you know, just

(01:09:47):
following orders, blah, blah, blah.
But once you realize, you know, IQ is a normally distributed
curve, right? Half of the population is going
to be under 100 IQ, right? If you're, you know, 90 IQ, 80
IQ, 70 IQ, whatever, like you don't think for yourself, you
kind of just do whatever the authority figure tells you
what's going on, right. So it's it's not necessarily

(01:10:09):
nefarious in the sense that it'stheir fault, but like, you know,
it's kind of just how the math, how the you know, how the cards,
how the cookie crumbles where you know if.
You are, you know, the 90 IQ guy.
And, you know, somebody tells you this is what the science is
or, you know, this is how you should be living your life.
You're probably going to think this guy's smarter than me.
He's, you know, in a higher position of authority.
I'm just going to follow this lead.

(01:10:30):
I think I froze. Yeah, you froze a little bit.
It's a good frame, though. It looks like you're striking a
pose. Yeah, not bad.
I'm going to hop out and hop back in, OK?
Yeah, Griff, I think if that's the case, then how does it, how
does it get solved? Can it only be solved top down?
And what does that say about us as, as men, if it can only be

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solved top down? If, if what we're saying is
essentially you must be conditioned into being a man,
what does it really say about us?
That that says exactly what the gig of mission is, that we have
to promote masculinity, self improvement, accountability, all
of these things. And then, you know, the rest of
the world follows like it. It's kind of similar to, you

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know, what we were talking about, about things being
nefarious and, you know, it's a bunch of suits in an ivory
tower. If a movement gets big enough,
like people just follow along, they hop in line because, you
know, that's just what they're conditioned to do.
But the difference is, is instead of, you know, a bunch of
suits in an ivory tower deciding, hey, let's, you know,
push feminism or let's, you know, push, you know, woke ISM
or all this stuff. Like now it's, you know, a

(01:11:39):
decentralized community of men such as, you know, the guys
sitting in this room right now saying, hey, look, go to the
gym, you know, dad bods aren't in.
That's not cool. There's something missing for
me. There's something.
There's something I don't. There's something causing quite.
Ambrose, my internet's so bad I am going to leave because I

(01:12:01):
don't know if you guys could hear me.
I just wanted to say I love you guys and you are the shit.
Let's thanks for letting me crash dude, appreciate it.
Thank you much. Yeah, I think there's something
quite uncomfortable about about that.
It's extremely uncomfortable. It's kind of, but again, like I
was saying earlier, it's really just the way the normal

(01:12:24):
distribution of anything is, right?
I'm sure you're a smart guy. You understand what a normal
distribution is like half of thepeople have to be under 100 IQ.
Those are not the people that are gonna be the decision
makers. Those are not gonna be the
people that have a super high amount of, you know, free will
and agency. These are kind of people that,
you know, just do what's and, and, and I I know what I know
what you're trying to say. It's it is really, you know,

(01:12:46):
disrespectful. It is really kind of like
belittling a lot of people, but it's kind of just the way the
world is. No.
That's not what I was gonna say.What I was gonna say is I
actually think the opposite is true.
I actually think that those beneath the 100 IQ marker are
not, shall we say, academically seasoned enough to fall prey to
the brainwashing. I, I, I actually think those

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guys are not disproportionately affected by, by the rhetoric.
I think it's actually on the higher end of the IQ that fall
fall victim to, to this propaganda.
I actually think it's the exact opposite.
Really. Why is that?
Not because because when you're not when you are not as

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receptive or or when you don't have as much bandwidth,
bandwidth or computational power, shall we say then then
you don't have the the all of the brain brainwashing and
propaganda just kind of rolls right off your back.
You're you, you can't even you don't have the the capacity to

(01:13:52):
even truly understand what they're saying They're.
Saying, yeah, that's what brainwashing is, you know that
that's, you know, what psychological operations are.
It's not a logical thing. It's just, you know, just get
berated little by little by little and, you know, eventually
you go the way they they tell you to go, the way they're
pushing you to go. It's not like nobody, you know,
like Kobe is a great example, right?
If you looked at the data, none of this shit made any sense.

(01:14:14):
You know, they looking back on now, it's obvious that it didn't
make any sense. But at the time, nobody knew.
Nobody was looking at the data. But if some authority figure
says, hey, you know, stay 6 feetaway, wear your mask, I'll say
you're just going to listen. It doesn't necessarily mean that
like. You.
You know, didn't have the bandwidth to, you know, research
it or any of these things. You're just kind of in a
position where it's like up thisguy, you know, he's trusts the

(01:14:35):
science. He's, you know, above me.
He knows more than me. Why wouldn't I listen to this
guy? Yeah, so I mean, I, I didn't get
vaccinated and, and precisely for the reasons you just said,
right. I, I, you know, I'm not
generally anti vax, but I'm, I was anti that vax for sure.
Yeah, I think, I think there is a no, I, no, Griff, I, I'm going

(01:14:57):
to disagree here. I'm going to say that I think a
lot of the men that are higher IQ actually tend to be far more
receptive to this new Western essentially what, what is
essentially Marxism. I think they're far more
receptive to it. I think the lower IQ actually
are just like, that's stupid. I feel like, you know, going

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and, and eating meat. So I'm going to go do that.
Or I feel like, like, oh, that girl is pretty.
I'm going to go hit on her. Like I, I don't, I don't think
they're operating cognitively ata level that would even allow
them to engage. It's like they're immune.
They have a bit kind of like a built in immune system.
I, I, I don't think, I don't think that they're really
susceptible in the now there areexceptions, don't get me wrong,

(01:15:43):
right. Like that's why I said I don't
think they're disproportionately.
I don't think you're going to find most, I don't think
everyone who buys into this is an idiot, cognitively speaking.
I think it's, it's the other wayaround.
But, and, and I think like you said, and like monster when he
was on here, it, it's an environmental thing when you
have the capabilities to go intohigher education and then you do

(01:16:05):
and, and you're inundated with this messaging, then you, you're
kind of you're weird if you comeout of it not thinking these
things right or it takes the time to deprogram.
No, that, yeah, I mean, that is completely true.
I guess another way, you know, to phrase this instead of, you
know, IQ 'cause I kind of think I understand where you're going
with this is like, you know, youhave the, you know, highly
educated nerds that are, you know, falling susceptible to

(01:16:26):
like this Marxism stuff. But yeah, let's use a different
example. Let's use, you know, a normal
distribution of testosterone, right?
That probably would make more sense.
You know, a higher testosterone,they're not going to be the ones
that are going to be susceptibleto this thing versus a lower
testosterone or whatnot. Is that does that make more
sense? No, say it again.

(01:16:47):
So instead of IQ and looking at that as a normal distribution,
let's use testosterone as a normal distribution.
Because as you know, we all know, if you have a higher
testosterone, you're more likelyto, you know, go against the
crowd, more likely to think on your own because, you know,
evolutionarily wise, you know, you're, you're willing to fight
for, for your ideas, that kind of thing.
Normal distribution barometer, then it makes sense, you know,

(01:17:08):
for that middle to, you know, left side of the curve, they're
going to be the ones that are more likely to fall in line.
Because again, you know, they'rekind of like the people, you
know, evolutionary wise, who if they didn't follow the leader,
they're getting kicked out of the trap, right.
By the way, I just checked and and it says.
I I need to verify this? But that there is that higher

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levels of testosterone among menis correlated with higher
intelligence up until a certain point, right.
There's a point where where there's diminishing returns that
are, yeah, very unforgiving, where each extra amount of
testosterone is corrected with amuch, much lesser amount of
intelligence or lower IQ. Yeah.
So yeah, yeah, maybe it's yeah, maybe it's not.

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Necessarily like normally distributed.
Maybe it's like a bimodal distribution, but like, again,
maybe it's a combination of, youknow, IQ plus testosterone.
You know, you can have high IQ guys that, you know, have super
low testosterone that are going to, you know, take the vaccine,
but you might have high testosterone guys, low IQ that
also take the vaccine. So it might be a combination of
both, kind of like, I'm thinkinglike OPS and baseball where you

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add the slugging and the, the batting average together.
How? How do we fix this?
How do we fix this? Again, it kind.
Of goes back to what we were saying where you know if you.
Do push this movement, you know,if you do push this, you know,
shift in society, the people that are naturally the
followers, they're going to follow as well.
They don't care necessarily if woke ISM or Marxism or any of

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these things are being pushed orif masculinity is being pushed.
They're just going to follow because that's what everybody
else is doing. Right, it's I guess.
Let's use an example like. In like in the gym, right?
Like if some guy next to you is,you know, benching 2 plates,
three plates, like you're gonna be like, oh fuck, I need to, you

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know, bench more, right? Versus, you know, if you're
sitting at home playing video games with your friends,
nobody's going to the gym. You're like, ah, let's you know,
who cares about going to the gym?
It's kind of, you know, productsyour environment, like we're
talking about earlier. So if we can create the
environment where, you know, masculinity, accountability, all
of these things that, you know, at least I and hopefully a lot
of people in the audience they deem as positive things for

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society. If that becomes the norm, I
think a lot of people will follow.
And I think that's another reason why, you know, a lot of
these trends in masculinity havereally been popping off recently
is because other people are interested in them as well,
right? Do you do you think that it's
getting better? Day by day, I 100% think it's.
Getting better day by day, What makes you say?

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That I mean, you can look at something.
As as simple as. Even last last month.
How? Many LGBTQ flags did you see
flying around during Pride Monthversus the year before, right?
Stuff like that. You know, you can see I guess
like. Boating trends with Gen.
Z, all these guys like, I think another, another trend I saw

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recently was the like Gen. Z, you know, they, they don't
drink alcohol as much like all these things like they wanna,
you know, work on their businesses, focus on these
things making money, you know, going to the gym.
These things are, you know, really growing year over year
versus in the past. They these were declining
trends. Fair enough.
So, so you're hopeful, you're optimistic?
I'm very optimistic because thisis just how society goes.

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It swings 1. Way then swings back the other
when it goes too far and you know, if society moves towards
this, you know, super macho meathead, you know I'm gonna go
to war and, you know, fight and all these things like society's
just gonna swing it right back what do you.
Just as we as we start to wrap it up here.
What What has surprised you the most about your journey in

(01:20:45):
crypto? What has surprised me of the
most My journey in crypto. Honestly, honestly, the trenches
have really surprised me. I thought at least by now people
would have realized that all of these Kols, all these new, you
know, launches were scams, but they, they really haven't, man.
And, you know, eventually everybody's going to hit rock
bottom find, you know, these PBAcoins like opera or gig or SPX.

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They're eventually going to findthem because you know, it's very
similar to like the early 2000s,right?
I don't know if you know too much aboutlikethe.com bubble,
but everybody used to trade penny stocks back then.
People were buying all these crappy penny stocks and you
know, it's the exact same thing as the trenches.
Maybe not on a on a hyper scale like it is now, but people would

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trade the hell out of these penny stocks, right?
But eventually they get rinsed because nobody makes money in
these things. They find coin or companies like
Apple or Amazon, all these blue chip quote UN quote companies
and then they pile into those because they think, hey, look, I
can't make money trading penny stocks.
I'm just going to be safe and get my 2X with Amazon stock by
10% a year. But every single person coming

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to that same realization and buying the same companies is
what makes those companies go nuclear, right?
If a million people decide, hey,I'm not gonna trade penny
stocks, I'm just gonna put my last $1000 in Amazon and get my
10% a year, suddenly Amazon pulls, you know, a meme coin
like 100 X move, right? Because everybody's piling in.
It's gonna be the exact same thing with these PBA coins like

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APU, GIGA, SPX, these types of things.
But what has surprised me the most is people have not come to
that realization yet. Why do you think that is?
I don't know, maybe. It's maybe.
I'm just being naive. Where I think people are.
More logical than they are. Like I was saying earlier, a lot
of people, if they, you know, tallied up all their wins and
losses, they realize, holy shit,I'm sorry, holy crap.

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I'm a, you know, $20,000 in the hole this year.
I make 50 grand a year. What am I doing?
Right? But when you only get new, when
you only get hit for 50 bucks a day, doesn't seem that bad, you
know, oh, that's only dinner or whatever.
But once you tile these things up, people realize very quickly
that they are getting wrecked. And you know, maybe it's yeah,

(01:22:58):
but maybe it's like the the fact.
That you know on like a TD. Ameritrade or a stock brokerage
account. You see your total PNL.
Imagine if you saw your total PNL on all of your pump fun
coins. These these trenches would be
out of there in a second, right?But again, This is why.
You know these blue chip coins that we're talking about,
that's. Why these things go nuclear?
Just because eventually everybody has to come to these

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coins, right? You can't.
You can't lose everything again,right?
You. You, I think Baron had a good,
good quote about this back in the day.
He was like everybody trenches with their, you know, first two
paychecks and by the third paycheck, you know, they, they
find, you know, gig or SPX or opera, those types of coins.
So that's, that's kind of, you know how I see this thing

(01:23:42):
playing out. I, I think it's played out a lot
slower than I was anticipating. And the reason for that probably
is the fact that nobody can actually see their PNL unless
they sit down with an accountantand go through all their
wallets. But you know, eventually people
have to come to the realization,you know, nobody, that's ten leg
parlays forever. You know the college, your

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college. Friends that were losing.
Money every week. Eventually they quit, right?
Nobody does it forever. That's fair.
If you had any closing thoughts for the viewers.
What would you leave it? What?
What 1? Thought would you leave them
with one Thought I would leave them with is, you know, take a
look at Giga. It's you.
Know more than just a meme. It's more than just a meme coin,
you know, it is a movement. It is, you know, a decentralized

(01:24:23):
company. You know, it's the best meme in
the world. And yeah, I think it's, you
know, part of this, you know, PBA.
Ecosystem. That's really been emerging
recently and it's something that's going to change the world
and hopefully for the better because at the end of the day,
right, like money's great, but you know, if the world in
society is crumbling alongside you, what's the point?
That's a good question. That's a good.

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Question, Griff, thank you so, so much for.
Joining us, it's such a good conversation.
And I, I, in some ways I, I feellike it's incomplete.
I feel like we'll have to do it again sometime because it's
probably going to be an ongoing conversation, honestly.
And it should be, it should be an ongoing discussion in our, in
our society about what do these things mean and where are we
going? But I really appreciate it, man.
Thank you for joining me. Yeah, 100%.

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Thank you for having me on. Be happy to pick you up anytime.
Awesome. All right, well, you take care.
Take care. Thanks ladies, and.
Gentlemen, that was. Griff with Giga a Giga.
Griff on a Giga. Stream it was a pleasure to have
him here. What a you know it's funny these
these these always never go the way I think they'll go and it's

(01:25:26):
always like actually, you know aa pleasant surprise.
I've never been like ah damn, that was you know that was much
worse. It's it's always like wow, that
was great, but that was that wasamazing and I think I think
we're due for more of these conversations in crypto.
I've always said that that crypto's not even really the

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like. This show is not really about
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Ain't the same blue app when pawn talkies fan in the flame?
He's a blue frog, sharp in a redcardigan.
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