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Good evening everyone. Welcome to another episode of
Pontalk. My name is Blue.
I'm the host of Pontalk. This is the fastest growing meme
coin talk show. And like I said, I'm your host.
The director for today is LFG Triple O and your producer is
Tim to Kill at Tim the Proton. Today is a very special episode
because we have not one, but twovery special guests.

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I could, I could say a lot, but I think I'm gonna let them.
I'm gonna let it speak, you know, let the whole, the whole
thing just kind of speak for itself.
I'm very excited. One of them is a Pontoc veteran.
He was here in the first month of the show and he's a fan of
favorite. It's voided and the other one is
a first time appearance, but someone that we've we've heard a
lot about and heard of many great things, which is Lunix.
So gentlemen, and also obviouslyTim is joining us today as well.

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Welcome guys. How are you guys doing all?
Right, thank you. I'm doing good.
What's up, everyone? Yeah, my name is Voided.
And yeah, I've been on pawn talkbefore, but I'm glad to be back,
glad to talk to. Looking forward to talking about
some memes some believe in. Oh yeah, Lunix, how about you?
How are you doing? I'm doing great guys.
My name is Lunix here. You know, I've seen the I've

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seen the first episode Void. It was on.
I was watching because I'm a good fan of Void and we've known
each other for about over a decade now.
Avoided or so. Yeah, Over a decade, yeah.
Yeah, we've known each other fora while.
We've been in this for a while together.
We do everything together honestly these days.
But yeah, just here to support void it and come on the show and
see what's what's what's poppinghere.

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That's awesome. Did you guys know each other
like IRL or or was it is it just?
We, so we actually, we met on Minecraft way back in the day.
And then for the first one, it must have been like 6 years.
It was just online. And then since then, we've been
traveling. You know, we travel a bunch
together, meet up, but we do live far away from each other.
Gotcha. Yeah, distance makes the heart

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grow fonder. And and Tim, for people who
don't know Tim, Tim is our Purdue.
Tim, you got it. You introduce yourself.
Is Tim? Is Tim here?
Can Tim talk? Sorry the the country I'm
getting a storm coming through on my internet's been iffy.
OK, sorry. No problem.
No problem. If you need to step down, just

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let us know. But it's it's no biggie.
Are you able to? Are you able to?
Are you good? I'm good, man.
Cool. Good.
You guys going good? For Yeah, for people who don't
know Tim, Tim's our producer. Tim, you got a few a few
sentences about yourself. About myself man I from Texas

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well I'm not from Texas I live in Texas out in the country got
2 kiddos and loving the the memecrypto game.
Awesome, great. So I guess you know, the first
thing that I wanted to ask you guys about, I wanted to press
you a little bit about is and, and avoided to be, you know, the
the audience, the fans, they know you a little bit.

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Obviously, I would assume they know you, but I they may not,
they might not remember. So I guess we'll start with
Looney. So we'll go to you.
If you could just give us a brief intro of how you got into
crypto. So like many other people at the
time, I was, so I'm 21 right now.
Three years ago I was 18 and I heard about NFTS and crypto.

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And this was I think around whenSolana just came out.
Solana came out in 2020, I'm pretty sure 2020.
And so this was when NF TS were booming and stuff like that
Board of Yacht Club was all overthe news.
There's people like celebrities buying Steph Curry, whatever
not. And I got saw an opportunity
there. I was like, wow.

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I mean, I don't really understand it, but I like the
art. I like the collectibles.
I love collectibles. I have a bunch of Pokémon cards
in my background actually that Ilove in real life collectibles
as well. I have some actually, you guys
see like there's some some meme coin merch back there I got from
Solana Accelerate. If you guys see I'm trying to
get myself better, but right nowit's it's a little scuffed.

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I'm going to get some shelving and stuff back there and it's
going to look all nice and stuff.
Right now it's just sat on the table, but I can show that later
off. But back to the story.
I was looking at NFTS and I apedinto a couple NFTS early on, and
this was like when Solana was peeking around like 202 sixty.
I bought the top of Solana, didn't know any better.

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I just made a Coinbase account fresh out of high school, just
turned 18. And that's basically how I got
into crypto was through NFTS because that's a visual
representation of crypto that really just caught my eye and
basically drew me in with the community aspect.
And that's what really caught mewas actually building community

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with other people that own the same NFT as you and talking to
them every single day. That's awesome.
We'll talk a lot about NF TS tonight, but that's awesome.
That's how you get your start and avoid it.
How about you? Yeah, so mine's similar, but so
back when I was in high school, just working, you know, a normal
job, like just like at a grocerystore as a cashier, and I

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started off, Ethan was just likea few $100 at this point.
And you know, so I just saw that.
I don't know, I don't remember what made me buy it, but I saw
it looked interesting, just threw a little bit of money in
and this was what it must have been, right?
When was this? Must have been right before the
2021 cycle started because then like within a week it was like
2X. So that's really just like that

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instant dopamine is really what pulled me in.
I'd heard a crypto, you know, before that and stuff just being
online, like they're on my teenage years.
But that wasn't anything that big.
Yeah. And then Safe Moon as well.
That was the first real time that I was like, really into it
was with Safe Moon. Have you heard of it?
I've not heard of Safe Moon. No, OK, so that was like, yeah,

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that was one of like the first. It was years ago, but it was
like it was AI don't know. I mean like a shit coin these
days you would call it. But what it was basically just
like a coin called Safe Moon. It was mooning, you know, trendy
all over whatever social media, social medias were popping that
day. But it was like the team was,

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the team did not know what they're doing.
It was just a group of random people.
And then they went through so much drama and stuff.
And then by now, I think a lot of them got arrested.
But like, that coin actually wasflying and it was getting.
Yeah, it was. It went so high and then just.
Like wait, why'd they get arrested?
What did I just miss? Because it was like, I have to
look it up real quick, but it was basically like they were
just lying about what they were doing and like pocketing funds

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that were that they said was going back into like liquidity
pools or whatever. Or they were like slowly taking
out the liquidity pools, you know, to buy mansions and lambos
and stuff, and they got caught. It was the early, early days,
the wild, wild, Wild West of crypto.
Yeah. So that's, that was like my
first really like time. I made a lot of money, although
I round tripped most of it. Yeah.

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And then NFTS is what really that's what I've been in.
Like I've been in crypto heavilysince NFTS because, you know,
yeah, like Pokémon cards and CS skins I grew up loving.
So NFTS are just like a virtual version, honestly.
And then I've been in a sense, you know?
That's awesome. That's awesome.
OK, Well, so then I have to, I have to ask both of you, what do

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you, what do you know about APU NFTS?
I mean, I've I've heard of them and I've seen them.
I don't have any currently, but I like, I do think meme coins
versus NFTS. Like I do think NFTS is easier
to build a tighter community because at minimum, everyone has
invested, you know, a certain whatever the floor price is,

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everyone has at least that much invested.
And if they were actually have it as their PFP and they
actually own it, you know, they're in it where someone
could be talking about a meme coin stuff or in a community,
but you don't know, you know, ifyou're holding 100 times the
amount they are. And yeah, where NFTS, it's like
everyone's in it together. Like at least like a minimum
amount of them, you know? That's fair.

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What's your takes on on NFTS? Like mean coins that now have
NFTS? Like what?
What do you think about the hybrid doing that?
Yeah. So I mean, I think it's a good
thing as long as it's not just like diluting the overall market
cap a ton, you know, if it's done correctly, I think it's a

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really good thing to build like the core community, make them
tighter and everything like that.
I think it's it's a cool thing. And I mean, I know NFTS have
like left a bad taste in a ton of people's mouths, but I still
really like them. So I support it.
OK, well, I have to hold on. Wait, I have, I have to show you
guys, if this is the you guys are both NFT guys, then I have

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to, I just have to show off the APU NFTS.
Let me, let me just plug these, these really quickly.
This is the, these are the APU NFTS and we, it's funny 'cause
the, the floor is kind of all, all over the place.
Now we do sweep Saturday. So tomorrow we'll be sweeping
the floors. But just, I just want to give

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you guys a second to, to glance at some of these.
We have different these are justthe ones near the floor but my
favorite for example. Feel like you got it when you're
when you're showing off the NFTS, you almost got to start by
like most rare or yeah. Yeah, you don't.
I mean, you don't have to. I love the Blueskins the most.
The Blues. The Blues.
Nice. The Blues I think are just

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they're, they everyone. Here's the thing.
Here's the thing, everyone hatesthe Blues, like publicly, not
everyone, because like you see how rare they are, right?
There's so few of them compared to the greens.
There's like 6686 greens and 142Blues.
But but the truth is that the Blues retain their value, you
know, more than more than everybody.
So I'm just kidding. It's actually true.

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But it's yeah, I just like to give a shit.
These are the one out of ones. These are the the ultra rare
ones that we have. But I just want to I just want
since you guys are both into into NF, I had never seen this
thing before. Wow.
I didn't realize that's it. Let's.
See, I want to show these off. It's I'm curious Lunix, what is

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your opinion on meme coins that make NFTS?
So OK, so meme coins that make NFTS, there's some ways to do
it. I know there's some meme coins
that tie their NFTS to the priceof the meme coin which I think
there's couple couple problems there in itself.

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Just because it should be an NFTand the mean coin should be two
stand alone products in themselves.
I feel like I don't think they should be tied together at a
price point because first of all, like the the NFT is a
collectible in itself. I don't think it should be tied
to whatever the liquidity of a of a meme coin is.

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A meme coins are a completely different asset class in a way
that how they are liquidated andhow they can move.
NFT should be able to, you know,be less liquid and, you know,
not move as much. The floor price should be more
stable than a meme coin, right? And I think that is great and
they're great for each one of their own classes.
Whatever people like more, right?

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People like less liquidity, morelike a more stable floor price
or people like the high volatility of a meme coin.
And that's what we've seen over the days.
That's why MTS kind of died out and meme coins have took over.
People love the high, the high volume of of the meme coins era.
But I do think that I love the NFTSI love adding NFTS and new

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stuff onto it. It builds the community very
well. I think especially the Twitter,
the Twitter profile picture community, because once you guys
convert people to using that profile picture, people will,
you know, people will Rep this profile picture for years, maybe
years, months, whatever it is a long time.
And it really will build that community on Twitter, which is

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where all of you know, crypto, crypto Twitter CT is at, where
you guys want to make the most, you know, news, make the most
headway. Well.
You know it's also it's also forfor rating purposes.
When you get rated by, you know when everyone has similar
profile pictures, it the raid that the community conducts on
you is far more effective than if it's disorganized and

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disjointed. Right, Correct.
That's true too. You go see, you open up that
comment section, you see a bunchof the same NFTS.
You guys can obviously tell likethis is the same NFT collection,
right? If you guys can't, then it's not
NFT collection and then something went wrong there.
Something. Went wrong, Yeah.
Something went wrong there and the artist or something, but you
open up that comment section, you see a bunch of APU, the NFT

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PF PS they're going to be like, wow, that's a strong community.
I want to I want to be a part ofthis.
I want to get a part of this. The strength in numbers.
I want to show you guys something that has not been
shown on stream yet. It is brand new.
It's something that one of our community members, his name is
Big Soda has developed all by himself.
In fact, I was sitting in a stream where it was just the two

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of us. He was streaming and some more
people showed up, but it was fora while, it was the two of us
and he was programming it and testing it.
And I want to show it off to youguys.
I think, I think the APU community is just and and so big
Soda in particular has has struck gold with think might be
the future of social. I I don't know what the word for
it is yet. It's like it's like the social

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network of or networking throughNFTS.
We'll workshop the name, but I want to show it off depending on
it. Give me just a second here to
pull it up. It's called NFT ranker.
So on. It's it's it's NFT ranker dot
IO. Discover the best NFTS through

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community ranking. So you be all know rarity, but
this is, you know, a little bit different.
And so you just go in here, you go to stop start ranking and it
presents two different NFTS in the collection and it's like a
Tinder kind of thing, right. So I'm I'm I'm torn between
these two, but I'll go with the one on the right, right.
And so you it gives you like it's record there and then

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there's a championship round. Anyways, you you pick, you know,
so on and so forth. And then eventually you go, you
go off to rankings and you can see the top 25 NFTS, how they're
ranked. You can look at the total votes.
You can look at the bottom 25 ifit's gonna load here in a
second. But anyway, so this is this is
what the APU community has been,has been working on and it's on

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NFT rancor dot IO. Right now, the only, the only
collection up here is the APU collection.
But I think that there's I'd be very curious to see how soon and
maybe you guys have some input if you, if you think that there
is. I mean, do you think there's any
interest in among the sort of the NFT fanatics for something
like this? I for sure think so.

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There has always been a discrepancy in which NFT is the
top NFT in a collection. With this system, the majority
vote you guys, there is no discrepancy.
The majority vote will go to thewhoever is, you know, like
whoever gets voted on, which NFTgets voted on as the top one.
There's always been, there's rankings and systems like they

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always do rarity systems, but those are always, they're
different from each other. Like whoever is making their
ranking or rarity system is basically deciding who which one
it is. But this way it allows the
people to decide which one they actually like the most.
And it could, it could, the prices could reflect that

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honestly. And the number one is what?
The regular APU. The profile picture APU.
Yeah, yeah. It's just the yeah.
And then there's like a yeah. Now that looks the cleanest to
me. I mean, I, I'm not surprised
that one got #1 'cause it is theprofile picture of what the APU
Twitter and all and the coin andstuff and that stuff.
I've been swiping left on all ofthe Blues.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone hates on the Blues.
But what Tim won't tell you is that he's he's in the back room
and back door deals trying to get a blue.
Just no one's willing to sell. What I like here, though, is the
open is the view on open C, right?
It's like another way to like, oh, OK, I can see based on
rarity. And now that's how I'm going to
make my decision. Because if you're, if you're
looking to buy these to invest, right, like you want to know

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what the market actually thinks of them and not just not just
what their rarity is, that's notalways indicative of their
value. And so like, this is another
data point, I think to use of like, OK, this one's highly
desired. So I want to bid on these, for
example, I think that this is going to add a dimension of like
how to value these things. That's what I think.

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That's that's how I think it's going to go.
He also uses like a chess like ELO system.
Do you guys, did I lose you? You're good.
We're here. OK.
He uses a chest. A chest like ELO system is what
I saw in the post. So there's actually some
algorithm that shows you which one's contending.
It's not just like a random number generator.

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Nice. And another thing I think it's
interesting if you pull up the the ranking again, yeah.
Let me on that here all. Right.
Is the number the second one on there?
Can you click on the profile picthere?
On this one. Yeah.
I can't click on it, but I can click on view on opensc or maybe
a little well. I mean, I'm not sure because I'm
not, you know, I don't know muchabout the NF TS, but if you go

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back to that other page, it's like the actual NFT is apple #1.
So that's another thing that yousee that.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, yeah, so that's another thing.
It's like people because like that's another trait almost, you
know, it's not an art trait, butit's another trait.
Like that's the number one, you know, that's cool to own.
And I remember back during like prime NFT that would rate like

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you would see, you know, cool numbers #1 or #10,000 or, you
know, 777 would sell for more just because it's a cool number.
It's another cool thing to collect.
So it's interesting that I don'tknow if it's just the profile
pig itself and it's a coincidence, or if people are
choosing it because it's #1 and that kind of just like gives it
aura, you know? I don't know if when they vote
it tells. Them.
Oh, it doesn't. Oh, so that's just coincidence?

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It might well I. Don't think that's Ron's.
That's Ron's. There it does tell them.
So big soda, big soda is here. He's he's he's big soda boy.
He's in the comments. So he's gonna fix it right now.
But when you put it in dark mode, big soda, you can't see
the the the the numbers go away.So it does tell you, actually it

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does tell you. That's really cool.
Yeah. I love it, dude.
I love the animations. And we, you know, there are a
lot of autistic people in our community and I say that like
just in a endearing way, they'reself-proclaimed and, and very
proud. And so they'll spend hours doing
this. They'll just sit here and and
they love it. It's very fun for them.
And it's also like when you own the NFT, like you're looking for

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yours, you know, some guy postedearlier today that he, he swiped
555 times before he came across one of his own.
So it's like very fun, you know,at any rate, this is NFT rancor
dot IO. I'm I'm very excited to see this
development. And again, I think, I think it's
just going to add a new dimension to NFTS.
And like Lunix was saying, like it's, there's a social element
to this. And I, I'm like, I'm, I'm just

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excited to see where it goes. Honestly, any kind of innovation
in this space at this point is welcome.
Yeah, that's cool. Well.
So I had a question about it actually.
So are you guys going to be running this out to other NFTS
or just just for APU NFTS? That's a that's a big soda boy
question. I mean, it depends what he what
he wants to do. I think, I think that it would

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be awesome to partner with otherNFT projects.
I know that I well, I don't know, but I would imagine that
the APU High Council is would love to talk to big Soda boy
about about how to utilize this to the best of everyone's
advantage and to make it like a systemic thing, perhaps get it
some funding, who knows, but. It'd be really cool to see this,

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you know, to, to see this tie inwith other projects.
I I think I think it'd be cool if people could go up there and,
you know, rate their, their whatdo they call it?
Pudgy Penguins, right. That's what Yeah, yeah, I don't
know if they're called pudgies or Penguins.
I don't know whatever. But you know, like I to answer
your question, my hope is that it will start like other
projects will be on there. But it's big soda boys platform,

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man. I don't know.
It's gonna be his choice, yeah. All right.
You both technically are traders, right?
Like by trade, you're traders. Yeah, we trade a bit.
I've I've seen a little bit morethan a bit and and you're kind
of self-proclaimed gamblers. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Gambler.

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Yeah, do a gambling here and there.
Yeah, a little, a little bit little.
You're like you're sponsored by a few gambling.
Oh, I don't know if you're sponsored, but you do some promo
at least. Oh yeah.
Sponsored. Yeah.
OK, OK, Yeah. So tell me how like you both
seem to also embrace well Linux you I think a little bit less
just from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong, but

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voided you for sure. You have fully embraced, you
have been, you took the Marod pill.
You 100% believe you're an SPX or through and through and or an
Aon rather. So tell me #1 Lunix or where do
you stand on, on trading and believing?
And and then how do you, how do either one of you or both of you

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reconcile that with with trading?
Good question. So whenever how I approach
trading is that if I don't have a thesis on why I'm buying, then
I shouldn't buy. I usually get my alpha from
other people. I don't go out and find my own
alpha. I'll be told alpha, I'll be told

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alpha and then also I will do myown research and then I'll find
and curate the information, bring it all together into my
own thesis into why I should be buying this coin and why I
should be bag holding bag working whatever I want to do
with the coin. If I want to post about if I
just want to just hold him, hit a quick a quick click on them.

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But The thing is you have to have a thesis.
You cannot make other not have other people make decisions for
you. That is how you are going to get
burned in my opinion. Yeah, what?
What about you? So regarding trading or like
SBX? Both, you know, what was it

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about that pulled you into SBX And then how do you how do you
maintain being a believer but also continuing to trade?
OK, so yeah, so first of all, with SPX, the main reason why
I'm like so bullish on it is because I do kind of see it as
like the thesis is kind of, it'sundeniable.
Like you hear oh, flip the stockmarket.

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OK, Is that going to happen realistically?
No. But it's goal is so high that it
means we can believe, not believe in it and keep going up
for years on end without ever reaching it.
Where a lot of other meme points, you know, if you have
some meme point, it's like, oh, we're going to hit $1.00.
What happens when you hit a dollar?
The entire thesis just crumbles.You've already hit that.
Why would you keep holding right?
Where SBX has like a never ending thesis, I guess.

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And on top of that, I kind of just see it as like, I mean, the
s s and P500 of meme coins, likeit kind of is just performs with
meme coins, if not better than the average meme coin.
So if you're going to buy like, I don't know, I just see it as
kind of like a overall investment in the meme coin
industry rather than investing in one specific thesis coin

(23:37):
meme. And then regarding trading, I
trade less now because, you know, I do actual gambling.
And honestly with trading, unless you have real alpha most
of the time these days, that is just gambling too.
You're just hoping that the the whale doesn't just dump and kill
the coin or a dev sells and it'sgone.

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Like it's just so much more risky that I only do it if I'm
extremely confident in it. And like Lunix says, most of the
time I'm not trenching myself. And you know, you know, on pump
fun looking at new tickers it's mostly I see alpha and some
telegram for some guy I trust and then research it myself and
if I agree with it then I try totrade it.

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What do what do both of you, youknow, you touch on the subject
voided of of you don't. You didn't say it, but basically
what you're saying is it's neverbeen harder to trade, right.
It's been fully optimized, it's been fully AI ified.
You know, we are are we at the end of are we in late stage

(24:42):
trading? I mean, is there a path forward
for humans to to trade without, without using AIS and and
machines and all this kind of stuff?
Yeah. So kind of like with because by
the time when NFT start to die out, it was similar, you know,

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where things just like most wererugs and it was really difficult
to make a profit. And I kind of think we could be
in a similar phase here with meme coins.
I kind of think we need like some sort of big reset, like
something new to come, a new style of coin, something like
that to kind of make because some people, some of these
people that trade day in day out, they have hundreds if not

(25:23):
thousands of hours of experiencealready.
So someone new getting into it. You're so far behind the year's
going to get like out traded every single day.
So I think we kind of need like to balance the the playing field
a little bit, some sort of reset.
And I do think the actual community cult coins, it's kind
of excluded from this. This is more like the day-to-day

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trading daily runners like, oh, like Yeezy coin, like I'm never
buying that myself. I know it's just going to go to
0. Isn't it, you know, by the way,
is it Lunix or do you pronounce the X?
Yeah, yeah, Lunix. Yeah, exactly.
Lunix, I want to ask you this. And then, Tim, I want your input
on this as well. How I feel like, listen, I'm,

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I'm newer to this space, right? The show's been going on for
almost 90 days and I've been in the space for about a year, but
only meaningfully for like half a year.
Even. I knew that the Yeezy coin was
going to 0, right? Like, didn't we all know it?
And so if we all knew it, why did people still ape in almost

(26:29):
millions of dollars, you know, hundreds of thousands?
Why did that happen? Why does that still happen?
Lunix and then Tim? The reason why, in my opinion is
there has been and I've been in this, I've been burned before
immune coins badly before too. And it's it's not in when you're
not feeling like you've been burned over and over and over.
You are trying to hit that top. It is that dopamine level when

(26:52):
you hit when you see the oh Jeezy coin.
This is my chance. Maybe, maybe Kanye's going to
save my bags. No, he's not saving your bags.
But The thing is that dopamine rush, that thought in their head
they got to make this money up. There's a lot of people in that
head that in that headspace where they're thinking, yeah,
easy coin is going to save me. And they just don't know.

(27:14):
They have no clue really what ishappening behind the scenes with
the inside trading, all that stuff.
I've people have made so many threads about this now and so
many videos. Even coffee Zilia has covered it
and stuff like that. Just all the insider training
that goes on. Trump coin, Melania coin, easy.

(27:35):
Now what? The Libra token, all of that
inside training, I mean it's allran by the same people.
I mean I saw a thread today and it was covering the most, the
most notorious of the inside traders.
His name is like Nabu or something, not something like
something like that. Turned what, like a million or

(27:56):
100K or $1,000,000 into 100 million plus?
I think that was Naseem. Naseem, that's it exactly.
That's his name exactly. The most notorious inside trader
out there turned 1,000,000 to 100 million off of what it was
Trump, Libra, and I think now Yeezy too, which is people don't
know that though. People are still turning a blind

(28:19):
eye to the fact that these that the some of these meme coins are
really controlled by these insider cabals that they don't
know about at all and they're not in the know about.
Tim, what do you say? Well, Hayden Davis was
definitely involved in this one.I believe that's his name.
He he got his funds unlocked literally the day Yeezy dropped.

(28:42):
It was like 50 million. But I think personally, I think
it's just greed at a base level.I think that nobody, I'm kind of
in opposition to Lunix's belief that people think Yay is going
to save him. I think everybody knew that this
was going to be a runner for X number of hours.

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And they all jump in and they get into this giant game of
musical chairs, and they just hope that they get out before
they can, you know, not find a seat.
Yeah, yeah, the, the data came out recently that the average
whole time on like one of these shit shitter platforms was like

(29:29):
4 minutes and then went down to 39 seconds and now it's at 31
seconds, right. And the shorter or the smaller
that number gets, I think the smaller that number will get
because everyone else is doing the same math and saying, well,
we're at marker 31 at this point.
You know, the first people will will get out, so I need to get
out. And so that number theoretically

(29:50):
should get smaller and smaller and smaller.
And I think one of the reasons that believing actually wins is
#1 it's very hard to front run forever conceptually, right?
The brain if, if, if people are holding this forever, even even
it's impossible because nothing lasts forever.

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So on its face, it's impossible.It doesn't compute.
The brain doesn't know where, where to offload.
Where do I, I don't know how to front run that because I don't
know what, that no one knows what that means.
And then secondly, I think that there is, I think that computers
don't understand belief either. I think, I think it'll be the

(30:32):
last thing they understand. And so if a coin wraps itself in
an ethos or, or a, a, an MO, let's say, of belief, it's kind
of a shield against being taken advantage of by, by AI and by
all these sort of highly optimized traders and platforms.

(30:52):
Because it doesn't compute if, if you can get enough of the
base to really believe, because there will always be people who
are like, we're not really going, you know, we're not
really going to flip this stuff,right?
There's always any people who think that way.
But if you get enough of them who really do believe that, then
it's a self fulfilling prophecy to some extent, because it
doesn't compute. And the people who who want a
time to get in and time to get out, they kind of have to

(31:15):
surrender to the fact that they don't know what it is, right?
What do you guys think about that?
Don't all don't don't go in all at once.
We'll do we'll do. I mean, maybe maybe you just
think nothing of that. Maybe that's maybe it's, I don't
know, avoided. You're the one who said that you
don't really think people believe fully.

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But what if they do? Voided.
What if they do? Yeah, I mean, there is always, I
don't know the future. There is always a chance it
happens. It could happen.
I would love to see that happen.But I guess more what I was
saying is, you know, no matter, you know, as long as it's still
under the stock market, you can build a thesis.
I'm buying it in hopes, you know, my goal is that it hits
the stock market or flips the stock market, right.

(31:58):
So the ceiling is so high where,you know, whether you actually
believe it or not, you can invest in it and not believe it
yourself in hopes that enough people do believe that and it'll
buy after you so the price goes up.
Or you can truly believe it yourself and then hold it until
it hits that. And I mean, hopefully if you're
up massive halfway there, that you do take some profits, you

(32:20):
know. But yeah, I don't know that's
that's about it. I mean, you're just more about
the thesis. Right, You're, you're a traitor,
right. So as, as a traitor when you,
when someone tells you, oh, we're holding this forever.
How, how does that change for you?
The way you look at it versus we're holding this until, you

(32:44):
know, Trump does this or we're holding this until, you know, 1
billion or something like how does that change things for you?
Yeah, I mean, I think the more logical approach to any
investment is having you need anexit strategy.
Because if you don't, you know, then if you're up 10XA100X or
something, are you really not going to sell?

(33:04):
Like at some point I think everyone should sell.
You know, you sell in the new wave of people takes your spot.
So I do think you need an exit strategy, whether it is oh,
Trump tweets about it, or Trump buys in or even if it flips the
stock market. But yeah, I think it just

(33:24):
depends person to person honestly.
Linux, why do you think that people, when one of these things
happens, like a a famous person tweets or an exchange listing or
any one of these things, why do you think that a lot of times
that's kind of a top signal whenmost people think that it's it
should be kind of like a bottom signal.
Why do you think it? In practice it ends up leading

(33:45):
to more sell offs than not. The reason is, is a lot of these
people already know it's about to happen.
That's the thing. Let's just be for real.
A lot of these people already know or we're already
anticipating that the best traders in the coin or we're
already anticipating this happening.
So that's why the most people that are actually in the coin

(34:06):
right now, they already bought anticipating that moment to
come, this CX listing to come orthey're inside trader and they
didn't even need to anticipate it and they already knew in
their head that was going to happen.
It's one of the two a lot of people anticipate.
Like there's a lot of people that anticipated the what when
Mudeng got listed on coin Coinbase or not listed, but it

(34:28):
was added to the road map. I'm pretty sure.
I don't know if it's listed, butthat was kind of a sell off
moment for Mooding. It wasn't really a bullish,
obviously it was the top there. A lot of people started selling
off. People knew Mooding was going
to. It was the anticipation that was
leading up to it. A lot of the best traders that
are holding us already anticipated that move to come.
And when it did it, when it did come in and didn't pump, they

(34:51):
sold. They're just waiting for that
moment. But I guess, I guess that's kind
of let me, let me hold your feetto the flames a little bit more
on that. OK.
Because, because my, the question really becomes, why do
people, why do they sell that though?
I mean, shouldn't they think, oh, now it's going to go up like
like the, the, the sort of the unassuming spectator or buyer

(35:16):
thinks, oh, now we're going to be on a, on a centralized
exchange, bullish, right? Price should go up, but
everybody sells. Why does that happen?
An Elon post, right? Elon post used to make a, a coin
pump and now it's like it's an immediate sell.
What's going on there? What's what's going on behind
the mechanics? So I mean things with with the

(35:39):
with news, everyone says, everyone says like following
data just said in the chat buy the rumor, sell the news.
A lot of people are buying the rumor, selling the news that
that's the best traders and the best traders are the people with
the, but they're people with thewith because they're selling on
retail, they're selling on otherpeople, right?
So they're the ones with the most money in the coin.

(36:00):
So that's why they're they're dropping the price of the coin.
They have the most money, They have the most.
It's just like how billionaires have most of the money in
America or for only being what, 202 hundred people, They control
most of the money in the world. It's the same with the top
traders. They control most of the
liquidity in crypto when they they already are anticipating

(36:22):
this moment to happen and they're waiting for retail to
maybe buy in a little bit, buy in that little Coinbase listing
news. They want you to do that and
then they'll sell on you. What did What say you?
So adding on top of that, I would say so most it's mostly
retail more so, or like newer people who are just buying in

(36:44):
that are the ones that you know are going to keep holding after
bullish news like that. Because most if you're actually
an experienced trader and you have a ton of money in a coin,
you are more so you're in it more for the profit than the
future of the coin at the end ofthe day, not everyone, but
that's just like some people in it.
So if you see a listing like that, you know, like you get a

(37:05):
list on Coinbase, Binance, whatever, you know, that's just
like excellent take profit moment because most likely
that's going to pump it up. And there is most of the time
there's a dump like a dip after.It didn't used to be that way
because there was nothing to reference it off of, right?
There was like the sky was the limit where now we kind of know

(37:26):
and it slowly happened where each listing affects the coin
price less and less. And then even now, you know, you
list and then it dumps after because it's like people meme
coins are fully built on speculation and just getting
more and more people to see about the coin and buy it.
So, you know, you get a Coinbaselisting, OK, now most of the

(37:48):
world or most of America, you know, has access to buying it.
What's the next step up? You know, what's the next level
of marketing that can happen to bring the price even higher?
And if you don't know what that is and or it's super far out,
why not just sell on this and wait for a better entry?
And I think that's the main reason why coins, you know,

(38:10):
don't perform super well after listings or hyped events just
because it's just the next crazyevents super far out.
Yeah, yeah. Tim, do you have anything to
add? I actually had a question for
Voided on that point. OK, do.
You think that it would change the equation of a trader if the
road map was I guess sex listingwas in the middle of the road

(38:32):
map instead of like we're going to get listed on Coinbase Like
if they had pre thought earlier in the road that there was, you
know, something after finance Coinbase.
Yeah. So like what's an example for
like a final goal with a road map or like after like what

(38:52):
would be OK, we have Coinbase inthe middle And then what would
you like? What's the example of something
after that you would say is likeeven more bullish?
Well, I mean, for example, like Pudgy Penguins today just
announced that they're trying toget something on the Nintendo
Switch. All right, I mean, yeah, that's
true. And Pudgy is one of those coins
that's full mainstream. I mean, it wasn't maybe less

(39:13):
than a year ago now. I was just walking around
Walmart and then all of a suddenI wasn't that in like in tune
with the scene at the time. And all of a sudden I see on the
shelf Pudgy merch and I'm like, what the heck.
Like, yeah. With the QR codes, right?
Yeah, yeah. And I bought 1 because even
though I wasn't really into the scene that much at the time, but
I was like, holy crap, they're actually, they're mainstream

(39:34):
now. Like this is the first actual a
crypto product that's not like Coinbase or something that I've
seen their product actually makeit off just online and CT and
stuff. And I think Pudgy is doing an
amazing job and I can see them getting massive, but it's just
like currently, it's just like people based like their

(39:55):
reference of what a Coinbase listing does and stuff.
It just doesn't hold the same weight it used to.
And they're sure there's going to be exceptions, you know, list
on Coinbase go even higher once the team and community build
even more. But it's just a lot of people
who are just in it for trading. They're just there for the
profit. And I think that's the reason,
but not saying that it can't happen whatsoever.

(40:17):
I think it will continue to happen.
It's just more rare than it usedto be.
Well, then I think, oh, sorry, go ahead, Tim.
Well then what's the end like? I guess I'm conceptualizing this
whole like, stop trading and believe in something, right?
How Like what would be like the F?
The end goal is to flip the stock market.
Yeah. How do you flip the stock market

(40:39):
with just just memeing around without corporatizing or
creating some kind of vertical, some kind of market, some kind
of side product that helps pick up the supply when it drops from
those things? With that I would say mostly
like with SBI 6900, it is more just the the natural growth at

(41:04):
the end of the day. And you know, someone makes if
one person profits off a coin, they don't hold till the if with
the stock market, they sell for a 5X, let's say, or even a 2X.
Then they go tell all their friends about it after the coins
higher about how they made all this money and about how good
this coin is. Whatever their coins buy, their
friends buy in. And then if it goes up, they

(41:26):
make more profit. They tell more people.
It's kind of like it doesn't have to be the exact same
community. Day one today, 1000, you know,
we'll slowly get new people. People will buy, buy back in,
and if anything, the organic growth of it is kind of
appealing where it's like, oh, we don't need to rely on how the
merch sales are doing or anything like that.
It's purely just based on how big the community is and how

(41:50):
much people just, yeah, just believe in it, I guess.
I think that there is. I agree with both of you.
I agree with Linux and with Voided.
I actually think that there's toto what Voigt is saying.
I'm going to take it a step further.

(42:11):
I think that it's not just a matter of this is the like this
is a a top and I want to wait towards a better entry to sort
of retrace the same top and and and make more money and sell on
exit liquidity. I think that it's actually, it's
kind of like in ATV show where there's a couple or a set of

(42:34):
characters and everyone wants them to date, but as soon as
they do, the show's kind of over, you know what I mean?
So, so a lot of these with a lotof these coins.
And I think this is this is whatthis is kind of the reason that
I think Murad reached the thesishe reached with a lot of these
coins. The the end game has always been
to sell and to sell with size onother people.

(42:57):
And so when this like when you reach this sort of pinnacle or
this peak of this of a chart, conceptually, the chart of
mindshare, the chart of attention, whether it's an Elon
post, whether it's a, a segment on the news, what whatever it
might be an exchange listing, whenever you reach one of these
like really big focal points where your mindshare is going to

(43:17):
be at an all time high, people are trading based on mindshare.
They're going, OK, well, this isgreat news, but what happens
next? And, and once you've gotten all
the exchanges and once you've all the celebrities have shield
your coin, then what? And if there's nothing after
that, then you've reached the end of your coin.
And just like a star, it's goingto collapse.
And so I think the whole reason that we have a coin like SPX or

(43:41):
like APU that, that, you know, we have our own price targets,
but there's so much more behind APU than 33 billion.
It's also about changing on a, on a, on the level of community,
right? There's something that that
persists much, much further thanjust 33 billion.
It's, it's the reason these these elements are added into
these different kinds of meme coins that I think stand apart

(44:02):
from others is that once you have the Elon post and the Trump
post and the exchanges, there's still something there.
There's still a reason for people to be there.
And I think, I think it's probably a, a, an amalgamation
or, or some kind of concoction of all the things that have been
said here. I think that's what it really
is. It's like these are all bullets
in the chamber. And once they happen, there's
just nothing left. Yeah, Lunix, I wanna, I wanna

(44:26):
get. I wanna hear it from you.
Last time that Voided was on theshow, I asked him some personal
questions, like what are his biggest fears in life?
And so I I have to ask you what what is your biggest fear in
life? My biggest fear in life, yeah,
honestly, my probably biggest fear in life would, and this is
just very general and it's not very specific, but it's just not

(44:46):
succeeding. And you guys can take that on.
However you guys want to becauseeverybody, everybody's
definition of success is different.
Well, what's your definition? My definition honestly, is to
have a life that I don't regret living and to look back on it
without any regrets. Basically do what I want to do,

(45:09):
have the money to do that, travel the world, whatever not
it is, have a family, kids, whatever not but look on look
back on life without any regretsand how crypto and meme coins
play into all of that. Basically just funds.
If I can make money, it can fundthat because that is what at the

(45:30):
end of the day, a lot of people are in crypto, like 99% of
people are in crypto to make money, right, right.
And that is what I'm in it for. I'm in here to make money, you
know, join communities, meet friends are along the way
avoided. I'm not avoided before this, but
you know, you guys talking to you guys here today, you know

(45:52):
all of this, but at the end of the day, what I really want is
to be successful and everybody has a different definition.
My definition is just that of being able to do what I would
want to do and have no regrets on it.
Very, very nice, very nice and least favorite thing about about

(46:14):
CT or about crypto? Least favorite thing my least
favorite thing is is is Twitter itself.
Twitter DMS Twitter DMS are so cooked.
I'll tell you why the the amountof DMSI get in message requests
and how they pop up and stuff like that.

(46:36):
They there's just random like people like bot accounts in my
resters requests all the time. Can't ever filter them out.
You know, I want to see important messages from people.
I don't want to miss them if they contact me on Twitter and,
and there's no way to pin over 6.

(46:57):
I think it's 6 conversations on Twitter.
You can't do folders or anythinglike Telegram.
This is why people have moved over to Telegram and they don't
do Twitter DMS anymore 'cause the amount of the it's just so,
it's so bad. It's so bad.
That's the least favorite thing about it.
What about you Voided? Probably a little different Rd.

(47:18):
here but it probably just be how, I don't know I guess like
how risky or dangerous everything is.
Like you mentioned it in the DMSand I saw it on X as well today.
Like if you saw Orangey just gotdrained, you know one of the
most profitable and notorious famous traders in the scene,
most experienced just got drained today.

(47:40):
He has no idea how and you thinksomeone like that, they know
everything they can do to have as low risk as they can be a
drain and he's still got drain. So it's just like if the best is
getting scammed and losing theirmoney, I think that's a big
deterrent to new people. Like a lot of people already see
crypto is kind of like a scammy thing.

(48:01):
And I think that's just, I don'tknow.
I mean at this point I think it's the risk that comes with it
Currently. You just need to be extremely
careful and safe and research everything you do before you do
it. I mean anytime.
I rarely click on links these days.
Anytime I see a link, you know, I'll most likely type it into
Google first to make sure. It's not like SUS at all because

(48:21):
I mean I haven't actually got drained before but like I've
sent plenty of money to the wrong address on accident and
I've learned from that and now Ijust try to triple check
everything I do. Yeah, it's, it's rough out here.
And I, I, I did mention it when I sent the DMS out.
It's, you know, for the link to the stream.
I was like, guys, double check this link.

(48:41):
Because here's the thing, the most, the most terrifying
scenario is that I send you a wallet drainer without knowing
it because someone, you know, steps in, in between our, our
transmission and put something in, you know, I could not even
know. And, and that happens, by the
way, I'm sure you guys know about that as well.
These more like sophisticated socially engineered attacks they

(49:04):
happen too. You know, Waka Flocka has been
has been very, very active recently in the crypto space.
He could follow you and DM you and it might not even be him.
It might be a fake account or hemight have been hacked.
You have no idea. And so I when IDM D when IDM D
you guys the OR I guess I'm telling the audience when IDM D
them the the link I was like, please double check this link.

(49:25):
There needs to be a better way to do this.
I wonder if there's like a, if anyone has thought of like a, a
weight of if there are like linkverifiers or if there's just a
way, you know, the, the, the scary part again, is that some
of these are just like more socially engineered than the
others. But you're right.
It's a scary world out there, man.
It is a scary world. And I, I today I decided to move

(49:48):
everything off of my, my, I guess it's a hot wallet is
technically what it's called my rainbow wallet.
And I moved it onto my tangent because as far as I know,
tangent is like basically the most secure kind of combination
where if you don't have the card, you can't do, you can't do
squat with, with anything. So I moved everything to tangent
and I was like, I'm professionals are getting

(50:08):
drained. I'm out.
I'm, you know, I have to take precaution.
And so I've moved my stuff to tangent.
What do you guys do for secure? Well, I guess don't you don't,
don't say things you can't say. But I guess what advice do you
have to people with regards to security?
I'm actually, so I I got a new Ledger recently.
I would not show Ledger before this, but they came out with

(50:29):
some new products that are actually great.
They're much more reliable than the old ones.
I have been using a Ledger for the past ever since I got into
crypto. Basically ever since I I have
passed like 5 figures in crypto.Like if I I hold over 5 figures
in crypto, then I gotta I you have to have a Ledger.
You have to have the Ledger at that point 'cause it is so easy

(50:50):
to get drained these days. Very easy.
But I put everything on the Ledger except for a little bit
in the hot wall of course. Sometimes I don't want to be
carrying around my Ledger every single day out and about, and
sometimes I might need some Solana to send to somebody real
quick. I will have a small percent,
less than 10% of My Portfolio ina hot wallet though. 90% of my

(51:12):
port is in a Ledger and I keep it in there for a long time
until I want to either cash out for Fiat or want to put it back
into my hot wallet for transferring out to people for
payments and whatever. Not whatever I'm doing at the
time, basically. What about you?

(51:33):
Yeah, it's the same here. Basically.
I've been using Ledger. That was just the first one I
found when I got into crypto, but they're old versions I've
had a lot of issues with. I think I have three of them now
because two of them just like broke, I was still able to get
my money and stuff out of them. But like just like the charging
port has to be like in a perfectangle for it to connect.

(51:55):
But I'm in talks with them of getting sent one of their brand
new ones, so I'm going to move over to that.
But yeah, again, like when we said just most of the money in a
Ledger hard, you know, a hard what?
Hardware wallet, hard wallet, cold wallet, whatever you call
it. And then just a small percent
in. And I use Phantom, a small

(52:16):
percent in my Phantom wallet, which is just for on the go easy
transactions. I don't have to pull it out,
confirm all of that, but always have, you know, at least 90% in
the Ledger. How is I think my least favorite
thing? Yo, yeah, I see the comment from
Ruju Ruju, I'm happy to see you in the stream.
I'm not happy to see you withoutyour frog PFP, and I know you're

(52:37):
doing it to antagonize me. I know it's I know it's
personal, so I'm not going to give you the satisfaction to
know that it's working. But anyways, my least favorite
thing about just if you know, I'm going to do my at least very
thing about crypto or CT has been the kind of I I was

(53:00):
spoiled. I came up through APU, right?
So I like my, I'm native to APU.I'm native to ETH memes.
And so when I sort of got out into the world of crypto, I was
like, I kind of, I was very sheltered.
Like I didn't know how. And don't get me wrong, I mean
every community has its its bad apples, but like I didn't

(53:22):
realize how ugly it really was out there and especially in the
trenches and elsewhere. I didn't realize how ugly it was
out there and seeing kind of howhow cold it is out there.
That's my least favorite part for sure.
I took I took one step out and Iwas like, whoa, absolutely not.

(53:42):
I went right back in. I went right back in and and you
guys, I feel like Lunix, I see you, you know, post more than
than I see. I think you both kind of voted.
I see you on like these gamblinggames more than anything.
But but Lunix, you, you trench from time to time.
How do you do it? How do you like?
How do you deal with that? What do you mean?
Could you elaborate on that? Yeah, just like the overall

(54:03):
toxicity and like depraved degeneracy, like the just it's
like it's like soul consuming. It is, it is.
I'll tell you what I mean. I've been trading for a bit and
any, any huge loss I take is really hurts you.
But every loss you take is a new, is a, is a lesson learned.

(54:26):
I'll tell you that every loss you take is a lesson learned.
So you take and what I learned in the beginning of trenching
and not, I've never really trenched, but trading meme
coins, trading meme coins was you really have to not if you're
going to be trading on a day-to-day basis and you're kind
of be flipping these coins, you really got to not be emotionally

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attached to some of these thingsbecause sometimes there are so
many people, so many bad apples out there that will just hit
that rug button on you and take your take your money and run.
There's so many people like that.
The thing about and there's no way to stop it because this is
the price, the price you pay fordecentralization.

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So there is really no way to stop it.
But you got to be yourself and you got a thing with your head
and you got to. Because actually the other day I
literally got out of a coin before I rugged.
Like 10 minutes I got out of thecoin and 10 minutes later I
rugged. 10 minutes later, Dev just pulled the rug button.
I was like, damn. Good thing I good thing I sold

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that. I don't know if I'm allowed to
curse on your butt, No. No, that's yeah, you can, you
can spray, but I I don't even mean the rugging necessarily.
I just mean how everyone out there is just like, so not
everyone, but like a lot of people out there outside of the
Ethereum community and, and someinside too, but, but mostly
outside of these out of these communities are kind of like

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they'll just, they'll do anything, They'll do anything
and everything to to get ahead, to step over you, to step on
you. You know, it's a cold world out
there. You know, I'm sure you, you each
have your fair share of stories of like people doing some
ungodly shit to get ahead. And that's the stuff that like
for me, again, having come up through the, the especially, you

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know what I, I say it's the Ethereum ecosystem, but it's
really the Maraud ecosystem. Like it's really his list that I
came up through. I came up through the, the APU
and the Sprodos and SPX like that's, and the Sprodos are kind
of schizo anyways, but that, youknow, they're still decently
good people anyways. And so, and, and then I kind of
branched out more and I, I learned about Bobo and stonks

(56:33):
and all these other things. But I guess, I guess outside of
these kind of communities, how do you deal with that?
Like that? It's like cold world, you know,
the, the, the horrible shit, thedrama, all that stuff.
Yeah, there's a lot of that thatgoes on.
The main thing with all the drama, because everything is

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played like a game. I know you guys know most, most
trading and trenching has playedlike a game.
That's how people see it. They see it as a game and
they'll do and this game to get ahead, they'll do anything they
want and a lot of people that are the top traders, if you guys
notice a lot of top traders, a lot of the top traders on CT are
from like Fortnite top pro, Fortnite pro players, right?

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And these guys are huge like they've been playing Fortnite
Pro and they've been going, they've been practicing this.
It's not really they're doing something to get it, you know,
like doing anything malicious toget ahead.
But you know, there's some people that are out there that
will will stream their trenching, right.
I'm sure you've seen that they were streams trenching.

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I don't stream trenching, but ifthey stream their trenching,
they will get in and their average hold time is like 4
seconds, 10 seconds in the coinsright into these trenching
coins. And most of the time they can do
that, have that four to 10 second hold time because they
have the viewers, they have the live viewers at that time that

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also are coming in Aping, they're kind of stepping over
them. I've had moments where I've
been, when I first got into trading, I tried copy trading
somebody and they just absolutely just rinsed my
wallet. Luckily I only had like 5 solar,
like 1 solar something in it around there.
It wasn't much, but I copy tradesomebody and they found out that

(58:25):
I was copy trading them because you can kind of tell when
someone's copy training because it's very instant.
They can see the transaction. Everything's transparent on the
blockchain, but I, my wallet gotrinsed because they figured that
out and they just start buying into low cap coins and then
selling right away, right? Because once they, because my
buy order will come in after them, of course, it can't come

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in before or at the same time it'll come in after.
And I would get rinsed right away.
And that's kind of when I noticed like even these big
people, like, I'm not going to name any names, but these big
people that have, you know, presences and see, and you know,
are traders and people copy trade them.
They, they will, they, they willdo stuff to just get ahead, like

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I just said. And sometimes you have to just
find your way through and not basically block those people out
'cause there's, there's a good and a bad sight to see to
There's like there's, there's, there's, there's, there's always
good and bad apple said anythingchat And you just got to find
which one which, which people are the good and bad apples.

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And at this point, for being in it so long, you can kind of tell
who is that good and bad apple. Oh, blue, you're muted.
Sorry about that. What's your favorite part of CT?
My favorite part of CT is definitely the community and
also I love the I love how people come together and we'll

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just shit on somebody collectively for a just like
even maybe some dumb stuff, but it's just kind of funny when
people just shit on each other, especially if you know Scooter,
that guy is so funny, but like he always just goes and shits on
people. But it's the CT is just a
whenever somebody does somethingwrong, like CT just goes and

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shits on them hard. Like Finn, even you know Finn
bags, you know that. You don't know him.
He was the guy that he he owns Bags app, which is another
trading platform and he donated a huge ton of like a lot of
money to the Mr. Beast Water Foundation or whatever.
Oh, I heard of this. I just.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is this guy.
But he basically created a coin and basically rugged it and used

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all of those rugged, rugged money to donate to Mr. Beast.
And then CT came together and just collectively shit on this
guy because like, what is this guy doing?
Like you just rub CTS and then you donate to Mr. B and you
think that's OK? Like because that's his whole
mindset was like, Oh yeah, I'm donating to Mr. B, so it's fine.
It's fine. It's fine.
Like, you know, and that's just delusional talk.

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Like, I don't know. Wow, wow, that's crazy.
That's just there's something about and voided.
Maybe you can speak to this a little bit because you, you are
not as much in the trenches you moved into like these kind of
Web 3 gaming, right? What?
Why, why, why did you make that transition over to the gaming

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side? Mostly just because, you know,
the trenches started to dry up and it was just became a lot
more unprofitable and like unsafe and it just wasn't as
fun, I guess overall, Like it was just because this is mostly
after I really got out of it, you know, after the Libra and
after everything really pummeleddown and the trenches really

(01:01:42):
dried up. And I was like, OK, you know, my
best bet here to stay profitableis to wait until just the the
market conditions are better andthey have been getting better
and I trade here and there. But still, it's just, I don't
know, like you said, it's just like it's a scary world down
there in the trenches, honestly.That's sorry.

(01:02:05):
Go ahead. No, that's all I was gonna say.
Oh, I, you know, I think there is yeah, the, the web 3 gaming
thing. I I'm, I'm skeptical as to how
much of it is like, is it, is itprofitable or is it like, what

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do you like about it more than? Well, I mean, I think the games
you're talking about are still just Solana based gambling sites
if I'm correct. And so at the end of the day, I
mean, I'm sponsored by them, so that that's the main reason.
And like, it's not like in my free time, I'm on there all the
time. And yeah.
And then for the training still like have you heard of troll

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coin? Yeah.
Yeah, So like that's the type ofcoins I want to buy into and
then mask as well. That was like a while ago, like
around the time when we last when I was last on here.
But it's more like the actual community coins that I see
growing that are more organic rather than these coins.
It's just like, oh, it just launched 30 minutes ago.
Let's hope it doesn't rug. It's more like coins.
They've been around for a bit and they are slowly building a

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community. And I'm actually seeing that,
especially if I'm seeing the meme on other social medias
where it's actually like some retail, some new people getting
in, then that's really where I'mlike, OK, I, I, you know, I
actually want to invest in this now.
Of the ones that spawn, Well, yeah, OK.
What are you? Can I, can I ask you which one
your favorite is? Or do you not want to answer

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that? Question.
Well like are you talking about Solana based games?
Any of the games that you're. I mean, my favorites probably.
So it's called Rugs not fun and it is.
It's basically just. It's a simulation based, right?
Yeah. It's a mean point simulator but
it's like crash and for the that's my favorite like Solana
based ones but I've only ever played in like 2 of them.

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I think two different ones. Have you guys heard of G trade?
No. What's that?
Oh, my Internet just rugged a little bit.
So I don't know if did you both say no?
Yeah, we both say no. So G trade is a synthetic perps
based trading platform. How'd I do, Tim?
Good, good. And it's pretty cool because

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it's like you, you get to trade with leverage, right?
And you can trade on any pairingbecause they're they're Tim,
help me out here. They're tethered in USDC.
They're anchored into it to USDC.
The pools. The pools in USDC.
Right. And so and so what's really cool
about it is that, you know, it'skind of just a it's just a

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glorified betting site to some extent.
But what I really liked about itis that, you know, I think some
people get the itch to trade, you know, they just, you can't
really like gambling is gambling, you know, and gamblers
are going to gamble. But this way, if, if you lose or
if you win, you're not rugging on your friends.
Like you're not dumping on your friends because you never owned

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the coin to begin with for the purposes of this trade, right?
It's all just kind of a bet using USDC or, or ETH or
whatever. And so that's a platform they
and they, they have a partnership with APU and, and I
had them on the other night and it's a really, it's a very
intuitive website to use. And it's, it's like it's new
friendly, although I don't know how like these are not easy

(01:05:24):
concepts, like financial concepts to wrap your head
around at first glance. Like I always, I always say
this, I guess, I guess I kind of, I'm shitting on lawyers by
saying this a little bit, but like, I'm a lawyer and for me, a
lot of this stuff is not easy toto get at first, but, or I'm
just, I'm just clowning myself. But regardless, though, so G

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trade is is like a another one of these websites that I think
is probably more of an A positive than a negative in in
most regards. And they're they're they love
memes as well. But just on the same vein,
voided as this like simulation game.
I want to ask both of you something and we'll we'll take
turns. What what do you guys do for fun

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outside of crypto? Who?
Who is voided when he's not streaming?
I mean because The thing is, well, I stream probably 2 hours
a day and but you know it takes so much more time than that like
most of the day I'm I'm in the crypto space working on
something to build my brand. You know, in my discord X trying

(01:06:27):
to come up with new ideas, planning future streams just
like I mean, it's a full time job, if not more than full time,
but for actual like and I mean Ienjoy doing it, but for actual
like hobbies, like we me and Linux, we both play CS2.
Have you guys, you guys know counter strike?
Yeah, yeah, So we both play thathere and there.

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I lift, go to the gym and then other than that, that's that's
my average day, I'd say. OK.
What about you Linux? Yeah.
I mean, me and Void kind of livethe same life as of this point.
He's back in school. But I kind of, I graduated last

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last spring or I guess this spring, I should say this
spring. So I just got out before that I
was going to school full time while doing this, the crypto
stuff on the side as well. But now I've been out for two to
three months. I've been wanting to pull up
some more crypto events. I've as you guys see, I've got

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some merch back there that was from Solana Accelerate.
If you guys heard about that event in New York.
I live pretty close to New York,so I just drove there.
Me avoided hit up Solana Accelerate.
But outside of that, yeah, Jim do a lot of work on the X
account and the Discord about tosay about stuff, you know?

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We don't. Do we don't do much outside the
crypto space? What you know, it's funny, I I
when you said that and my heart broke a little bit, but then I
was like, you know, me neither. Who has time?
What did you study? Mechanical engineering.
Mechanical engineering and so mechanical engineering crypto

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streaming well. Yeah, I also, oh, are you
talking about Linux? My bad.
Yeah, yeah. What did you what did you study?
Yeah. Well, I, I got my bachelor's in
computer science and then I'm because, you know, I grew up
growing up, I was on my computerall the time.
I was just naturally good at it basically.
And I programmed here and there on the side.
So that was just like the right path for me because I'm just

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like good at it and can learn anything commute computer
related pretty quickly. And then currently I'm doing my
masters in computer science, however, considering dropping
out honestly because of how muchtime this is taking.
And this is just like, I'd rather, you know, long term.
I just want to work for myself, you know, and that's always been
my dream. So and this is going pretty well

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right now. So I just want to be able to put
even more time into crypto and everything like that.
How long have you guys been streaming?
I've been streaming for like I'dsay 5 months, five months coming
up on 6. And three to four for me.
Months. Yeah.
OK, what did you do before you were streaming?

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What? Do you want to answer?
Yeah, voided it. I mean, that's when I was heavy
doing heavy, what I was doing a lot more on the content, like I
was releasing a lot more videos than I am now.
No, sorry. Let me let me rephrase my
question. How long have you guys been
creators in this in crypto? I've been a creator since I

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started in December where I was actually like creating video
content and stuff like that. So December of 2024 is when I
started. I think my first video was on a
coin called Rismus. Yeah, it was, it was a pretty
diabolical coin, but it was one I saw a lot of people were
shilling on to. It went a viral on TikTok and

(01:10:00):
stuff like that. And I just made a little short
video with my iPhone stuff and Icame, I think I came.
I want to think that I've came along way since then in terms of
production quality and whatnot. Yeah, yeah.
What did? How long have you been a creator
in this space? Around the same time, I think I

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made my first video. It was actually like an IRL
trading video with some of my friends.
I think it dropped last February, around maybe December.
But then, you know, I was in school at the time and I was
just so busy that I couldn't putin as much time as I wanted.
And then I've really got a lot more serious and upgrade things
over the past four or five months.

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But that's when I started doing the content.
But I've been in like last cyclewith NFTS.
That's when I grew, like my ex grew a ton then.
So that's really when I started.But I wasn't doing videos at the
time though. You were.
Just posting, you were just. Just posting, yeah.
OK. OK.
So and did either one of you have content creation experience
prior to crypto? So we both kinda, cuz we've been

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doing like entrepreneur stuff, you know, for years and years
now. And we both made videos on like
years ago we were making like Rust videos on the game, made
some Counter Strike videos, Whatelse?
Tech videos, just like trying different things, seeing what
sticks. So we definitely have experience
with videos, but this is like the biggest we've got with

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anything we've done. This is interesting.
So all the three of us have the almost the exact same
trajectory. You guys are like the same age.
You're both like 21 ish. 2323 is21.
OK, OK, so so I'm laughing just because like if you're thinking
of Pokémon, it's like there's like almost the same gap between
the three of us. It's like evolutions.

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So I'm the same way, right? So I, I used to stream and make
video content for like World of Warcraft Overwatch like 10 years
ago. Now at this point, holy shit,
I'm old. I just turned 26.
And then I, I went to, I went tocollege, I went to law school,
I'm, I'm an attorney. And then I started the APU

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community was like, guess what, blue, you're going to start a
talk show. And I was like, what?
And they're like, Yep, get ready.
And, and so we've been, we're onday 82 of this show.
And that's like my experience in, in, in streaming, in crypto
or content creation in crypto. But I asked you guys because,

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you know, I think I've had the same it's, it's very different.
It's very different than contentcreation and gaming.
I, you know, I've, I've also, I've seen, I don't know, I, it's
hard for me to judge because I, when I was streaming and, and
creating content and gaming, I was more so just doing video
content, not really streaming asmuch and not really doing like a

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talk show based like long form based content.
So it's kind of different for me.
But for me personally, like the,it's a, it's very fascinating to
see how different the spaces areand how different the content
is. But I've really enjoyed the the
ecosystem that comes up because everyone is like everyone, at

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least on the, on the surface, everyone's oriented around
building. And so if you're someone who
likes building and has like ideas for projects, that's
something that's like very, you can do that here.
Like you can, you can pull some like after this, after this show
or next week. I could, I could, I could reach
out to Voided, for example, be like, yo, I have this idea, this

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is my idea. And Voided is either going to be
like, that's fucking stupid, or he'll be like, Hey, I know
someone or he himself would be interested, you know?
But like in gaming, it's just not the same thing.
Yeah, 100%. I think the connections you can
build in crypto are unlike any other industry like you can be

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from anywhere in the world and you can go comment under some
multi millionaire's post and then he'll reply to you and you
guys can keep chatting and then you could build and you know,
you guys can become friends, youknow, just like that.
You know, in gaming it can stillhappen.
You randomly meet in a match, someone like that, but it's just
more the chance is not nearly aslikely.
And if you're actually smart, intelligent and know what you're

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doing in this space, then these people that have, you know, a
huge network or just, you know, you can talk to them and, you
know, you can just, I don't know, the networking
opportunities are just insane. And the building, everyone is
wanting to build or supporting some of this building because
most people in crypto, like, yeah, like Looney said earlier,

(01:14:42):
most people are here for money. But at the same time, a lot of
the true people that have been here for a while actually want
to see crypto succeed long term.And I mean, that's how I feel.
I want to see, you know, I don'twant to see crypto die out just
as a fad. I want to continue growing an
actual real use cases come out of it.
So if someone you know comes to me with some idea, I think it's

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great. That's going to change the
future of crypto, or then yeah, like hell yeah, I'll be on board
for it. Yeah, Yeah, Lunix for you, what
how would you compare the the difference in or, or your
journey now? And and you seem to be the one
that has the most free time out of the three of us just because
you've graduated. And when I say free time, I mean
you have the most time to dedicated to this.

(01:15:25):
Well, I I doubt most of that is free time these days, but how
would you, how, how, what has this been like for you stepping
into this role? Into crypto content creation.
Yeah, well, it's a definitely a fascinating 'cause the thing
about gaming content creation and my biggest difference in
when I got into crypto content creation is that in gaming

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content creation there is so much to go off of.
There are so many other people doing gaming content creation as
well. You can go see, you can go if
you wanted to go see someone else, if you wanted to get
inspiration from somebody else, you wanted to maybe base your
setup, whatever around that. What you're talking about, what
videos you're making around gamecontent.

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There's so much references, so many references out there.
Crypto content creation is very niche.
I think a lot of people, it's a decentral.
Crypto is decentralized. A lot of people like to stay
anonymous. They don't like showing their
face. I think a lot of it has changed
now, but in the end of two days it was rare to see us somebody
showing their face in the cryptoscene.

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Especially like back in the day you didn't even have Frank the
Gods, which is one of the biggest names now and everyone
knows his face now, but he didn't face Cam didn't show his
face for a while. That's one of the bigger things
that has come out now that I think a lot of people, I think
showing your face for your crypto content creation brand is
very important. A lot of people aren't doing it

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and it really sets you apart from other people because they
can see and they can trust your face.
They can see your face. That's more trustworthy than
looking at a screen or just a voice, right?
And in a, in a space that's already so, so how I say it, I
guess distrustworthy. There's so many bad actors

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around. That's a great way to show
people that you are here and you're not going to rug them,
basically. Yeah, yeah.
That's true. That's true.
People are there's a lot of mistrust, a lot of distrust, a
lot of mistrust. I think a good, a good amount of
it is earned, though. I, I don't think it, I don't
think it's such a bad thing for people to be have their guard up

(01:17:35):
to be skeptical. You know what I mean?
Like, I don't think that's a badthing, but I do think that what
I've been saying is that it's not hard to stand out in this
industry, especially if you comewith experience from gaming.
And what I'm seeing is like the the pipeline I'm seeing is that
the gaming content creators are going to move here just because

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this is kind of the bleeding edge of like where innovation is
happening at like a really, really different scale.
Like there's not a whole lot of there's not a whole lot of
innovation happening in gaming. There just isn't in in fact, I
think games have just been getting worse and worse every
year. That's just my opinion.
I don't know how you guys feel about that.
They have, I mean, we haven't even the thing about gaming is

(01:18:19):
like it's, it's a dying breed. When was the last time we had a
huge game come out that's everybody's been playing.
The only time is the only time it's going to be the next one is
GTA6. And that might be the last of
its kind. Like people are talking about
GTA6. No one is talking about games
coming out or playing new games like all that.

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Like there was some, I don't know if you heard of Split Gate,
but that one died, which was a big Twitch game.
Like it was huge on release died.
Same thing with a bunch of othergames that I've came out.
How? Do you think it's happening I.
Think I couldn't really say, butmy thought behind it is maybe
because a lot of people were stored up during that COVID time

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and everybody knows everybody was chronically online during
COVID and that's why a lot of games blew up again.
And then when COVID got released, like a lot of people
kind of want to touch some grassand not play games anymore.
Like, you know, when everything returned to normal, I feel like
that was a big part of the games.
And also I think it's a very saturated space, very saturated

(01:19:28):
space. A lot of games have been, games
have been around for video gamesespecially have been around for
multiple, multiple decades now. And it's kind of a lot of it has
been done already and there's not much creativity left to
expand on. I think that's right, but I also
I, I, I think for, I just want to say hi to some, some people

(01:19:50):
in the comments. People have been very, very kind
and sorry for for not maybe LF GS been highlighting these and I
just didn't see them because when I have them on the big
screen or on the I have the the Elgato teleprompter, so I can
look at the camera and look at my screen at the same time, but
then it's like very small, so I can't see it.
And I also wanted to say hi to Mung.
It's nice to see Mung here. He says good Mung, good morning.

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But I, I think, I think Linux, to your point about the games, I
think the death of gaming is. I think it predates COVID a
little bit. Actually, tell you the truth, I
think it predates COVID. Avoided what?
You come from this world too. What do you think?
I mean, I think overall a big part of it is just a lack of

(01:20:33):
innovation. And at the same time games just
last a lot longer now. Like before you had like with
COD, you know, you had so many iterations of it, each one was
slightly better. Where now games are kind of like
they just keep updating the samegame so players stay on that.
You have Fortnite that's came sofar since when it first

(01:20:53):
released. It's a whole new game now,
right? You have what else?
I mean, Counter Strike, they just released like the big CS2
update, but that's still like that's still I've been playing
that game for what like 8 years now since I started and it's
just like slowly got better where there's been no game
that's really came out this likesimilar or better I guess other

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than you have a Valorant that came out.
But again, Valorant people just they keep doing updates so
people stay on that game. There's always new content where
there's not really a need to go to new games.
I would say like most people, they find a couple games they
really like and they stay to those.
It's really hard for them to move the game to a new game
because it's not like a whole new level of innovation.

(01:21:36):
Like the graphics are so much more insane or some whole new
game mode. You know, most of it's been done
and it's, you know, it doesn't have the same, especially with E
sports, you know, there's actually like E sports makes it
so it's like it's a deterrent for new games because people
want to keep grinding the same game over and over to get as
good as they can at it rather than resetting with a whole new

(01:21:58):
game and resetting their skill set, you know?
I think I think you're right. I also think there's something
to be said about like a lot of these games are becoming the
Omni game where it's like there's something for everyone
in every game. You can, you can, you know, it
has a battle Royale mode, it hasa campaign mode.
It has like side games, like every game is becoming every

(01:22:20):
game. They're, they're all kind of the
same thing to some extent. I also wonder why the battle
Royale became so popular. And I think it's because the
entire game is contained. I think it's the same reason
that team deathmatch is so popular is that the whole game
is contained in like 20 minutes.You know, that's all you need to
to Monk's point, and I was goingto bring this up, Crypto is the

(01:22:41):
new MMORPG and someone who comesfrom that world, you know, I
come from, from the, the Wow, the World Warcraft and all these
other things. I do see crypto and, and, and
that's why I think there is thispipeline.
I and I talked about this just aminute ago.
There's a pipeline from gaming streamers or streamers from
gaming to streamers and crypto. And and I was saying this
because of the innovation, but Ialso think that crypto is in

(01:23:03):
many ways the very first true augmented reality gaming, like
the very first true version of it.
And can we even, you know, rating, you know, rating posts
and we have these like targets and we'll start calling them
bosses. And we already kind of mean like
this is the final boss of this or this is the final boss of

(01:23:25):
that. There's something is happening
that we don't quite, I don't think anyone is really like
declared this, but I think in a few years we will look back at
this time and say that this is the moment gaming became real.
I really do think that. Do you think I'm full of shit?

(01:23:47):
Do you think that makes any sense?
Am I? Am I too out there?
What are y'all's thoughts on that?
No, I get what you're, I get what you're saying.
And you know, I agree that crypto is kind of 'cause I mean,
it's not a coincidence that mostcrypto traders came from gaming
and streamers as well and everything.
It is kind of like a game, especially, especially with like
trenching and trading like that.That's even more so, but just

(01:24:09):
the entire industry itself, it is similar to a game and it's
kind of like when you're growingup, you play actual games and
then once you mature and you kind of want something more
serious and something that can like actually change your life,
you move into crypto because it has same similar elements.
I think you get the same dopamine effect.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Especially when you're like

(01:24:31):
winning, you know you're on a hot.
Streak. Yeah, yeah.
And it's like you're playing against with crypto, you know,
you everyone else, every other traders kind of to an extent
like your opponent, right? So it's like you want to be the
best, you want to outperform andout trade everyone.
Similar to the game as well. And you know, we even use the
same, you know, Pve and PvP likeit's very the, the terminology

(01:24:53):
is kind of consistent. Unix Are we full of shit or what
do you think? No, I don't think so.
I think everything crypto is, you know right up there with the
game, the pipeline is real. The if you guys have ever seen
anybody's past or heard of anybody's crypto past traders or

(01:25:14):
all, all have a background in some type of game or something
like that and all have a background because it's kind of
the same thing. Like you grind the game, you're
on a computer grinding the game,you're levelling up.
You do the same thing in crypto.Min Maxing.
Yeah, exactly. You're doing the same exact
thing, levelling up your efficiency, whatever you're
doing in the game, whatever gameit is.

(01:25:36):
I don't know for a while. I've never played Wild, but I
can only imagine it's a it's. So much fun.
Yeah, I wanted to play it, but Ijust never had the time to.
I was caught up with the, what was it, Rust, some Rust.
But what I, what I want to actually ask you guys was what
is your guys's thoughts on Web 3gaming?

(01:25:57):
And what do you guys think 'cause obviously there are some
web three games, but none have really took off to the point
where they have became mainstream.
And the main reason is because they're all kind of Ponzenomics
and their Ponzenomics don't really work out.
I know fuck all about web 3 gaming and people use the

(01:26:20):
phrase. I use the phrase.
I have no idea what it actually means.
I mean I know what it means on like a conceptual level.
I haven't seen it in action. I've seen two games that are
like the most they engage with crypto is like they let you use
crypto memes as the players right?
Or like the NFTS correspond withlike skins in game, But that's

(01:26:43):
like that's it. Like that's the most, I guess
the the best, the best thing I know about about Web 3 gaming is
Tim, is it Cokeville? Is that what it's called?
Yeah, that's weeping plebs new. Yeah, weeping plebs and they
have this, I guess he or they 'cause it's a project, right?

(01:27:04):
Or he, I don't know the account that goes by weeping plebs.
I think that's just his account Tim, correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, I believe that's just the singular person.
Yeah, he has. He's a part of this project
called Copeville. Are you guys familiar with
Copeville? No.
No. Well guys, I have a very
exciting thing to show you. It's like the 1st meme coin

(01:27:25):
shooter that that I've seen it might make.
I had to I had yeah, and it's actually it's all web-based.
So it might I had to upgrade my RAM after running this once
because because I when I was using, I'm not even joking.
I was I had it on my browser andthen and then I also had I was

(01:27:46):
running this and my computer just shat itself.
And so now I'm at like 96 gigs of RAM.
So it should be should be enoughnow to run all this because
stream yards is very intensive as well.
It's loading not as quickly, butit's game.weepingplebs.com just
the way that it sounds. And this is like really like the

(01:28:07):
most crypto integrated shooter that I've seen.
It's very fun when you're like playing it the way it's meant to
be played. It feels like Call of Duty in
the early 2000s. Like it has this nostalgic feel
and it plays like it too. Your wallet and your like, you
don't have to connect your wallet necessarily, but like
your NFTS and stuff like the wayyou, you win, like skins and

(01:28:30):
weapons and tags and like all the like cosmetics and whatnot.
They're all like NFT based and blockchain based.
That's like the most I've seen in terms of web 3 gaming.
Other than that, to me, it's been a buzzword that I'm I'm
still trying to figure it out. So this is my very long answer
of saying I don't know, maybe Voided has a better answer.

(01:28:52):
I mean, with Web 3 gaming, I would say most of the games that
I've seen, the thing that they market the hardest and kind of
like what they put is like the, oh, the why you should play is
because they're they're play to earn.
So like whether it's a token or NFT, you play it to earn money,
right? And that just doesn't work
because everyone I've seen the actual game itself is like ass.

(01:29:14):
Honestly. And I've always said this just
to like friends and everything when we talked about Web 3
gaming. I think the the key to it is
like look at Fortnite Valorant even see us go with steam, the
skin market and everything that should be what how the crypto is
integrated like you buy it with the token and then the actual

(01:29:36):
skins and stuff for NFTS. But playing the game should have
like nothing to do with crypto. You actually just playing the
game. You shouldn't be like earning
any money off of that. It should just be a good game
and in the market for all the skins, cosmetics, anything like
that. That's on crypto and that's on
the blockchain. And I think, in my opinion, I
think that would be like an actual good way to integrate

(01:29:58):
crypto to gaming. I think I'm kind of on Voided's
opinion here that most of the crypto Web 3 gaming that I've
seen has been building out the token and the tokenomics and,
and the way to get rich quick first versus building a game

(01:30:18):
that's like sustainable and people actually want to play.
And I think that it's, we talk about that pipeline and it
almost seems like there's a separation because if you add
the crypto element into it, it can either become play to win or

(01:30:39):
pay to win instead of like play to play or there's.
Sorry Tim, I just have to. I should just say Waka Flocka
Flame. Just is watching the stream and
commented giflaka actual account.
Just had to highlight that sorry.
Please keep going. No, I I didn't really have much

(01:31:00):
else to add there. It's.
No, they're building it out. Everyone's like, and that's, and
that's the reason though, that it's like, I'm bullish on it
just because again #1 the amountof people in crypto gaming
experience is amazing. And secondly, like there's
innovation happening here and there's like ownership.
People, people, people are building here and they have

(01:31:24):
something to earn. It's like a vested.
And I think that it's what makesit different.
Like I don't win anything on Fortnite.
I think Lunix, you were just saying this.
I get a skin. That's what I get.
And with, with web three, I think it, it becomes more than
that. Waka Flocka says had to tap in.
If it's what the people want, the people want you, man.
I don't know if you're getting all the notifications you've

(01:31:45):
been getting today. They're going to keep at it
until we get you on pawn talk, man.
I sent you Adm earlier. We got to get you on here.
But yeah, no, the the the Lunix,you really avoided.
You were saying this to you likethe NFTS.
The NFTS are and and just web through gaming.
It's about like earn. Would you say play to earn?
Is that what you said? Yeah, yeah.

(01:32:05):
And it's just like the whole marketing point is just like, or
everyone who plays it, they're playing it to make money off of
it. They're not playing because they
actually like the game. So it's just like it's fully
just like Ponzi nomics, like it's oh, you'll only the game
will only be successful as long as it's always going up in
player base. Like it can't.
As soon as it starts to dip thenlike everyone would just leave

(01:32:27):
just like a normal like meme point you know?
Well, in the one game that I sawthat, you know, actually looked
interesting was that shrapnel game came out like early last
year. I don't know if you guys know
about it. It's like there's shooter
survival, Tarkovsk, crypto web three-game.
But then you look at the the token distribution, because I

(01:32:49):
feel like Web 3 gaming it, it almost all has to check out
because you look at the token distribution, it's like, oh,
there's 3 trillion tokens and we're going to start off with
10% circulating supply. And it's like, how does that,
how are you playing to earn when, when the developers are
going to use that to bootstrap the gaming?

(01:33:09):
You know, like they're going to use that develop the game
hopefully, or they're going to use it like Safe Moon and by
Lambos and Mansions and never update the game again.
Yeah. So yeah, if you guys aren't
familiar with like, again, like Counter Strike skins, if you

(01:33:30):
look at the chart for the pricesof them because they're on
Steam, but you can also buy themon like third party websites,
right? Like peer-to-peer buy them.
I mean, if you look at the actual charts of the market
itself, which is like a multibillion dollar industry,
it's just like it's like the m.two or M2 money supply.
Like literally it's just straight up like every time, and
I look at it every few months orwhatever, it's just higher than

(01:33:51):
it was before. And you know, it's like NF TS
where some skins have rare traits to them and they sell for
like upwards of $1,000,000 and there's plenty that sell for
hundreds of thousands all the way down to $0.05.
And it's all like from Steam andValve.
But like, imagine if that was actually on the blockchain and
all of that was through, you know, they were like NFTS and

(01:34:14):
the currency was a coin, but it was a great game with a team,
the focusing on the game itself.And it was just the blockchain
was just like a small element init.
And I think that's like, I don'tknow, that's what I've always
said is like the perfect way to integrate it, at least at the
start. Yeah, Yeah.
I want to, I want to ask some questions as we, as we kind of

(01:34:37):
start to wind down a little bit.It's OK if it takes you some
time to answer. OK.
And if it's OK if you don't wantto answer, but Lunix will start
with you, they'll go to voided. Lunix, tell us something no one
else knows about you. Tell us your deepest, darkest
secret. What kind of question is that?
I just something that doesn't have to be a secret.
It could just be. Something that he's never going

(01:34:59):
to answer your DMS ever again. Nah, come on, I could.
I mean, come on, it's not that. It's not that for, I mean, it
doesn't have to be personal. It could just be like a fun
fact. Something that someone doesn't
know about or no one knows aboutme.
Yeah, like you haven't. Yeah, basically no one else on
CT at least. No one else on CT?

(01:35:23):
Shoot, that's a hard question. Boydage like thank fuck you
didn't start with me. Yeah, honestly, I'm trying to
think of an answer. I don't have anything I'm.
Trying to think of something too.
I guess this isn't very personal, but I've actually
never been drained before in my whole time that I've been on

(01:35:46):
here but. Knock on wood, dude, knock on
wood. Yeah, knock on wood, knock on
wood. But I try to keep myself safe
out there. That's yeah.
For being how, for how long and how many horror stories I've
heard, it's I'm honestly surprised that I haven't yet.
I'm honestly surprised. Yeah, OK, that's awesome.
Dude. I I hope that doesn't change.
I hope you stay secure for as long as possible.

(01:36:09):
Me too. Voided.
All right, if if we're going to go more than the crypto theme,
then I've never sold an actual pico top.
I've never actually sold at, youknow, all time high.
OK, OK. I don't.
Yeah, that's all I got. Something that nobody knows

(01:36:32):
about me. Yeah, man, I'm.
I feel like I'm pretty. I'm pretty open book, but I got
it. I got to come up with something
here. Yeah, come on, you got to give
us something. I used to be a swimmer back in
back in like high school and stuff.

(01:36:53):
That you cut out for me? What?
You say I said I used to be a swimmer back in high school.
That's what I got for you. OK, OK.
Yeah, you can picture it. You're right, what you're
picturing is correct. I don't know how to respond to
that. What?
I just blocked him. Just blocked him.

(01:37:14):
Dude, I love much. That's so funny.
OK, I guess I have to go too, right?
Like it's not fair if if I don'tgo.
There is a, here's something I've never really talked about
outside of like the very few people who know it.
And it's, I guess it's a pro if,if Walker's still here, maybe

(01:37:34):
he'll appreciate this. In Atlanta, there's a studio, a
rap studio called Loud House. And somehow from the when I was
in college, I ended up doing like media work for them and
like strategy work as well. It was actually very, it's very
like in retrospect, I have no idea how it happened, but I

(01:37:56):
spent some time in Loud House studios.
I developed a budget for them and, and, and like, and then one
day and it was like, it was like3 weeks and then I never showed
up again. Like that was it, It was just
like 3 weeks of of kind of hanging out there and then I
never, and then I left. And that's something that I have
very few people know about me actually that I have that

(01:38:18):
experience. Didn't I have no idea if
anything came out of that. I have no idea.
I don't know how it happened. I it almost feels like a dream.
You guys have any you guys have like those experiences that you
don't know if it's a memory or adream, You know, you know what
I. Mean they needed to hire their
token blue one turn. No Judo.

(01:38:38):
I was the only I would no, that wasn't it.
That maybe actually, maybe that was it.
But it was like, it's just like I answered Adm in a GroupMe.
I know what it was. In one of the big group meets,
someone asked a question about about camera, about a camera,
and I answered it. And then one thing led to
another and then I was there forthree weeks and that was it.
That's my, that's my fun fact. I don't know if there's still a

(01:39:00):
thing. I I don't know.
They, they, they were not like alike a large studio.
It's like a small kind of, you know, up and coming artist kind
of thing, But that's, that's it.That's it for me.
Lunix Void. Do you have any final thoughts
for our viewers? Guys just don't get drained.

(01:39:22):
Use use. Use a cold wallet, please.
Please. I've seen too many, like too
many recently, like actual social engineering scams that
have been coming out and they'reinsane like this.
People are getting smarter with it.
They are starting to learn like,'cause this is the like, you
can't revert transactions to guys.
Like you guys will never get that money back.

(01:39:43):
Yeah, you'll. Not get that crypto back.
Yeah, what about you? Yeah I mean everyone stays safe
100% don't trust anyone. If it's too good to be true, it
probably is. And do your own thesis of
course, but look into APPU. Look into SPX 6900 if you're

(01:40:03):
looking for new meme coins to buy.
What a what an amazing plug there.
You know this is amazing. No, but you're right though.
You're right, big things, big things to come for, for APU and
for SBX and for for everyone else.
Yeah, and I want to talk about this.
There was a crazy exploit for Telegram going on on iOS

(01:40:26):
earlier. Make sure to update your phone.
I don't know if that's true. I saw the same thing.
And I went ahead and updated my phone anyways, because if iOS is
pushing an update that says security improvements, then why
not? And I turned off my automatic
image downloading from Telegram.And honestly, I did it because
that's, that's what the fix was.I did it because like, why not?
Like, why not like just, that's just a good setting to have.

(01:40:48):
Like I don't want to download stuff that I don't want to
download, you know? So that's the thing going
around. Please be safe guys, and make
sure to protect yourselves and then use a cold or tangent
wallet. But to what?
To Lunix, what Lunix was saying,Like a lot of these things are
socially engineered. So just like if it's like trust
your gut, if it feels wrong, it's probably wrong.

(01:41:10):
Double check, give it a day. No one's like urgently needs 35
ETH, you know what I mean? Like that's not that's not real.
And if they and if anyone is asking for that much money from
you, like they better have your fucking phone number, you know
what I mean? Like that you better be able to
get in touch with them. So anyways, Lunix, if people
want to keep in touch with you, how can they do that?

(01:41:30):
You guys can follow me on my Twitter which is at Solunix.
I have a kick as well but that'son from my link tree in my bio.
If you guys want to follow me I have a kik, Twitter, twitch,
what else? Telegram Discord, I got, I got
all of it. He's got it all.
I got it all you guys, you guys can think of the social

(01:41:51):
platform, then I'm there all. Right.
Awesome, awesome. Voided.
What about you? Yeah, on X just app voided in my
bio, my kik and my discord. That's primarily where I'm at.
All right, Tim. I'm around here and back again.

(01:42:12):
Awesome. I'm just kidding.
Wow. Just kidding.
I'm just kidding. No.
Come back up. Come on.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the intern.
Dude, I fucking love to. Go get me some coffee.
Can you actually? No, I'm kidding.
Come on. Where?
How can people keep in touch with you?

(01:42:33):
I'm at Tim the Killer at Tim theProton on on X.
Which I announced, by the way, at the beginning and end of
every series. Yeah, yeah.
But awesome. OK guys, Lunix avoided.
Thank you guys so, so much for joining me and I look forward to
having you guys back on soon. Yeah.
Thank you for having me. And I also look forward to being
back on here maybe 1/3 time. Oh yeah.

(01:42:55):
Thank you, Blue. Thank you, Tim.
Thank you. Pawn talk, everybody here.
It was a great time. Loved it.
All righty, you guys have a wonderful.
Night. All right.
Yeah, you too. You too.
Ladies and gentlemen, that was Lunix and Voided and Tim also
here on Pon Talk. This is Pon Talk.
My name is Blue. I'm the host.
This is the fastest talk show that reinvests in the

(01:43:16):
communities that you and I both love.
You are the best part of Pon Talk.
The director for tonight was LFGTriple O, the producer and guest
Co Co anchor, Co Co host was Tim, the Tim to kill at Tim the
Proton. We have some huge announcements
coming soon and we might as well.

(01:43:38):
We might as well make one of theI feel like we've kind of hit
the ball in this one because we rescheduled it and then we never
posted it. So we'll make a post very, very
soon about we'll make a sorry, we'll make a post about this
guest. It's one of the most requested
guests that we receive all the time.

(01:43:58):
When when when when he's he's gonna be on the show tomorrow.
Wait what day is today? Friday.
He will be on the show tomorrow and so we're gonna post that
later today stay tuned for that.As for everyone else guys have a
good night take care of yourselves, take care of each
other. Like I said, my name is blue.
This is pawn talk. I'll see you guys tomorrow.

(01:44:21):
Let's see how long it takes themto.
Taking names decides who to meanand who to blame.
Everybody won't make it. Ain't the same blue app when
pawn talkies fan in the flame? Wait, wait, don't go.
He's a blue. Tomorrow, turn the music off.

(01:44:42):
Where's the tomorrow? Tomorrow evening we will have a
sweep. Saturday, the Saturday sweep of
our NFTS. Don't miss it.
Don't forget to front run my sweep.
Every Saturday we sweep our NFTSMake sure to do that.
OK? Now with that being said, have a
good night everybody. Fuck off, do whatever whatever
it is you do. Going around taking names, well

(01:45:07):
there's a frog going round taking names, decides who to
mean and who to blame. Everybody won't make it.
Ain't the same blue app. When pawn talkies fan in the
flames, he's a blue frog shark in a red cardigan.

(01:45:29):
Works by day stacking wins like a champion.
But when the moon arises, he's the king of the swamp, croaking
up memes with a holler and stomp.
Oh blue apple, pon talk. Hear the call from the swamp to
the screen. He's judging them all with snap
and smirk. He's running the brawl.

(01:45:51):
Blue Apple and Pon talk standingtall.
In the daytime he's cool with a suit and a grin, but at night
he's the frog where the chaos begins.
Hypes the hits, clowns the flopswith sneer.
This the blue frogs the bar. Still the morning appears, so
watch for that frog. He's taking the reins.

(01:46:14):
Blue Apple and Pond talk runningthe girl.
Oh, Blue apple, pon talk hear the call from the swamp to the

(01:46:36):
screen. He's judging them all with a
Snapple. Apple and pon talk standing
tall. Blue apple and pon talk standing
tall. Blue apple and Pon talk standing
tall.

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