PondTalk With Rekt the Bobo and maybe David Gohkstein

Rekt the Bobo Bro shows up and talks with Blew about life!

Episode Transcript

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None. None.

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Music. The.

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None. It sure takes its precious time,
but it's got right and so have I.

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I turn my head to the slide likethis one, but at a time.
I do not like the little face and then my time.
But it couldn't be a long time. I feel like I'm walking blind.
I know right the time. There aren't a light to the
side. I hope you're OK.

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I can dream. The rest of it's just a little
touch of state in Oklahoma. It shows it's first time.
It shows it's first time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to

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yet another episode of Pawn Talk.
My name is Blue. I'm the host of Pawn Talk.
This is the fastest growing crypto meme coin talk show that
reinvests in the communities that you and I both love.
Tonight your producer will be Tim, Tim to kill and the
producer slash director is LFG of the show.
And with us, we have very special guests we don't have

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tonight. And what I want you to do is I
would like for you in the comments, I'd like for you to
tag David Gonstein incessantly. I would like for you to do it so
much that he considers taking legal action against me, not so
much that he actually does, but just enough to where he does it.

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OK. Unfortunately, as we know, David
is at about that age where life's greatest pleasures become
things like bingo, Jello. A lot of OS things end in OS

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long walks on the beach and sweet, you know, physical
therapy, arthritis ointment, things like that.
That's kind of where David's at in that stage of life.
And so he just couldn't give up the opportunity when he was
invited the last second for a special bingo where they will be
serving Jello. He had to go.
He had to go and so he he is notwith us tonight, but he will be

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with us. Maybe if you tag him
incessantly. I mean really, guys incessantly
inundate him with notifications,which he undoubtedly has
silence. But you know what, David strikes
me as a type to probably not actually just 'cause he get he
loves the feeling, the rush. You know, I remember when he
first, I don't want to talk too much about it, but be with the
whole the most electrifying man.I love it.

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Anyways, OK, tonight's a very special night because we have
someone who, it's the only guest, it's the only guest that
told me they're doing the show. And I love that about him.
I love that he just said, hey, it's time I'm doing the show.
In his defense, I've been inviting him for two months
straight. But tonight's a very, very
special night. And we have some announcements
at the end of the stream, so we'll do that.

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But without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, please
join me in welcoming the one, the only rekt, Takashi Rekt.
How are you doing tonight? I'm doing all right, you know,
I'm on break at McDonald's here,so started to do the stream.
You can see the background. Yeah, we it, it looks.
What do you do at McDonald's, Right?
I know I'm currently on Fry's. How long have you been?

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How long have you been working on on Fry's at McDonald's?
10 years, 10 years, 10 years. They have you on the fryer.
Yeah, that's they just got me over here.
I apparently I'm the best at it.That's what they told me.
You are the best. Well, you know, it's a
presidential job. Yeah, I'm I've seen about it.
Well, and I've seen, I've seen presidents do it.
Well, well, I look checked my 23andMe one time and it said the

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president was related to me. I think it was John Adams.
He was the only one that didn't have any slaves.
OK. He's he was related to you or
you're related to. Him.
No, that's a true story too. It is a true story, by the way.
Wow. No, because that was the first.

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I took one of those tests one time and then the first, like,
snide comments and was like, that means your ancestors had
slaves, right? And I was like, shit, let me
look it up. And I looked it up and John
Quincy Adams and John Adams werethe only two presidents that
didn't have any slaves. So I was like, OK, well, I win.

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And then I replied back. And then they lost.
But also, doesn't it, you know, let's say, let's say they did,
doesn't that kind of cancel out?I mean, doesn't that?
Well, it says they didn't thoughI I believe the Internet.
But even if they did, even if they did, if it's like half and
half kind of thing, you know? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I.

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Think I think it's silly, but no.
But you're right. That's awesome.
That's really cool. I found out I did a 23 andme.
I found out I'm related to a former bastardized king of
Austria and Hungary and and Romania.
His name was Matthias Korvanis. And you?

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Have royal blood. Well, so I'm so bastardized.
Royal. Yeah, I'm the illegitimate line
you. Gotta go take the throne back.
It's it's I'm considering it. If this doesn't work out, I
think Siri is responding. Siri, stop listening.

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Fuck. I think, I think rekt.
If we if this doesn't work out, I say no, I'm serious.
I think if this doesn't work out, you should run for
president. You're a legacy.
And I think I should go reclaim the Kingdom of Romania slash
Austria slash Hungary. I think that's what we should
do. I see some, I see him in the

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chat. Of course he has to be here.
He couldn't resist. Come on.
You think he could resist? We know.
We know. Just just let us know when you
win. Bingo, David.
Let us know when you win and when they run out of jello.
You know. You're welcome.
I was also. On how old is how old is David?
Does he say? Depends.

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So if he hasn't dyed his beard, 57.
If he does, take care of the beard 39.
OK, OK. Right now, you know, he's he's
pushing 60, he's pushing 60 and 60s pushing him so.
I'm starting to get up there too, not really to recognize it

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because I mean, I started throwing out these OG memes and
they're like, hey, that was a long time ago, how old are you?
I would have never guessed. How old are you, if you don't
mind me? Asking I've entered.
I've entered The Dirty 30s. So yeah, I was actually, I was
before the show. I was actually going back and
looking at some like the old meme content just to like kind

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of bring up during the show or whatever.
And I post it sometimes. There's this picture of like the
Dolan comics, like from 2013 that actually that I was like, I
took a, a sign to AWWE Raw eventwhere I, I made a giant Dolan
head and I took it to the event and I was in the crowd.
I actually have pictures of it and I was in 2013.

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And yeah, I was just like just scrolling back to like, you
know, I don't know, I could start talking like a boomer
about the boomer memes and the old I.
Mean, right. Come on.
You're, you're 30. OK, David's almost 75.
This is different. This is this is not.
You can't compare these two things.
Yeah, I mean the 20 like the early years of like Pepe and you

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know, it was like 2013 ish, you know, advice dog.
I don't know that that means pretty old.
You have to go on Know your memeto find that thing.
Nah, man, I'm I'm I'm like I'm 25 S for me.
The the golden wrecked. I I have to.
You might want to cover your ears for this.
I'm scared. Ladies and gentlemen, the one,

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the only, Lord David Gockstein. Fuck you.
OK, OK, I just. I'm going to stay here for 2
seconds. I'm not at bingo.
OK? I'm not at bingo.
I'm actually trying to find you a new bed set.
OK, because you've been using the same one since you.

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What are you, 25? 25.
Yeah, and we've already gone through your whole bed set
situation where, first of all, blanket's the fucking dirtiest
shit, OK? I'm, I'm out here, Bed Bath and
Beyond, OK, Trying to get you some nice sheets and shit,
right? You're Jewish.
You want a lot of sheets, right?Yes.
No, Whatever I thought. Here's what I thought.

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Hey, hold on. Hold on one second.
Hi, Rick, by the way. Hello.
I thought, you know what? This is a moment because Rick
doesn't come on to he does his own streams and he has his own
sound effects and he's playing jazz music as he's trolling

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motherfuckers. I thought, you know what?
This he doesn't do podcast. This would be a great time.
Shut the fuck up in the audience.
You can suck my Dick. You know I thought this would be
a great time that you and Reck would have a one-on-one, A1 on
one and I and I and IDM this blue character here saying hey

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this is a great thing. You and Reck.
Reck could tell you all about 4 Chan and Bobo and all this good
stuff and you come on here and you try to clown me.
You try to. Fucking clown me told him I go
to bingo. What else did I dye?
My beard? I look 60, I look younger than

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you. If I shave the fucking.
Beard and by. The way the other one wasn't
Alexa or Siri. That was your mom in the
background. No doubt about it.
OK, your your background. Your entire background.
Gives. Vibes of I still live with
parents OK. I live in a 500 square foot.

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You're like 505 hundred foot boxyou.
Kicked your parents? Out for this interview anyway, I
have nothing more to say. Wreck.
You should RIP him apart. Yesterday as I came on to the
pregame show, he said I like Bobo.
I don't love Bobo, but I like Bobo.
So on that note, I leave you to.And.

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Hopefully wreck. Just shoves that green dildo up
your ass. The one that's been throwing
around at WNBA games. By the way, to all the people
tuning in, thank you very much. Love you guys and see you next
time Wreck. You are a fucking legend and
don't let them tell you otherwise.
Hi, Blue. Hey, David.

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No, I said. Bye blue.
Oh. Bye, David.
Wow, ladies and gentlemen. David Gockstein.
All right, that was that. I looked it up and bears, they
typically live to be 30 years old while he was saying that.
So I suppose so my time might beclose.
Oh, can you hear me? Hello.
Oh yeah, I think it's starting to.

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It was kind of chopping a littlebit.
I was I was talking shit earlierabout my Internet and how I have
perfect Internet always and so Iguess God heard that and decided
to say fuck you. It was that shockwave that just
came through. The most the most electrifying
man in crypto, that's what he. Did it would cut amazing like

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WWE promo? You know honestly if they had
like tryouts or something you could, I could totally see him
doing that. Just like WWE work, like
announcer work or anything. Well, I think if he was maybe 30
or 40 years younger, I think he could actually be in the WWE.
I think yeah, they got managers too though.
Yeah, you'd be a really great manager.

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Like you should do like a grandpa's division, like a
senior citizen division. No, you know, I'm so, you know,
like I said, I'm. By the way, here's what he
didn't tell you. I said I don't like Bobo.
Right? I'm sorry.
I said I don't love Bobo. I like Bobo.
I love the leadership. And that's why I bought in that.
Well, that was the full statement of what we were

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talking about because we were talking with Landy sat here for
30 minutes and pontificated about what makes a good meme
versus a great meme versus a badmeme.
And he talked about time and relevance.
And he got into this circular definition.
And then after talking shit for or spewing shit for 30 minutes,

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he goes. And because of that, he, he, he
decided that he rates memes based off of their relevance,
which he has determined as attention over time, which I had
to do all of that heavy lifting for him to, to figure out what
the fuck he meant. And then from there he said.
And because of that, that's why he aped everything into Fartcoin
5 seconds after it was created. And that's when I kicked him off

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the stream right after. He I was actually, I listened to
that and I I was hearing like a lot he had to say.
It was basically a meme really shows it's worth before like
it's ever tokenized pretty much is what he was getting at, like
trying to get at that. Yeah.
It's like if your meme, basically if your meme was
created just just to tokenize it, it's pretty much showing its

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hand that you're just here to extract from the space pretty
much. Or like your meme didn't have
any any history before, you know, everything started being
tokenized. It's.
A coin that is a meme and not a meme that became a coin.
And that's been my, for me, that's been the biggest
distinction, right? Like I I have a there are very
few, very, very, very few coins that I resonate with at all that

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are coins that became memes. Yeah, when I was hearing him say
that too, I was even trying to like, reason with it, like how
that could not be possible, likein this day and age.
Like, say if you're an animator creator and you just want to
create like a new character and tokenize it and, you know, you
just kind of want to partake in the space.
But then I was like, well, you know, I'm just kind of basically

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proving my point that you're creating something to benefit
financially from like, but that's kind of like how it was
with like NFTS, an artist in 2021 too.
Like artist, we're trying to figure out ways to make money.
And you know, it's not always easy when you're like on a
street corner doing like $20 drawings or something.

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So like crypto offered that Ave.and I don't know, that's what he
just like that whole conversation got me thinking
about stuff like that. That's awesome.
I don't think people realize because you know, when you were
doing your stream that night, David and I were both in the
comments and I don't think people realize how often and

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when it, when I did The Mirage stream, he was like, I'm on
Twitter 21 hours a day. I'm I'm, I'm listening to
everything. I don't think people realize how
often all of us like all these people we're we're watching
everything we really are. I'm watching everything.
I, I, I am in I'm, I'm in the grease traps.
I'm, I'm proud to admit, like I'm on the fries back here at
McDonald's, but I'm also in the grease traps.

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So I'm listening to everything just like moo rad.
So moo rad. Like when he said that I was
like, OK, yeah. So to, to be successful in this
space, you pretty much have to be terminally online.
Like it's it's like you blink your eyes and you're getting
flooded for something you didn'teven know existed.
Like, and your token could be here at all time highs one day

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and, you know, getting flooded to 0 the next day.
Like you have to be just on callpretty much.
Yeah, it's 24/7. It's non-stop, 100%, 100%.
I've my, what I've experienced, this is day 76 of the show and I
can tell you, my team can tell you.
And I'm sure you know from doingthis for so long, it's like it's
been non-stop. My first week doing this, I lost

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10 lbs and I haven't gained themback.
I, I might have gained them backjust 'cause I was, I've been
injured the last week, but I just, I just didn't eat.
I almost didn't eat for like a week straight about it was it
was insane. And and since then, you know,
we're, we're still like I'm, we're still, we're, we're hiring
people like we don't have enoughpeople.
It's just not, there's so much to be done.

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And and it's this people don't know how much work actually goes
into production. I sometimes when I watch your
streams, I envy you a little bitbecause it's like you turn the
camera on, you play some Fortnite, do some charts.
I I in my mind you're smoking a joint, but I'm not actually sure
if you are and and you're just chilling.
That sounds great. That sounds amazing.

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I was like, well, just like the when I saw like going live for
your show, like you got producers and I got those
comments, those producers and everything like you have right
now. And I see like the little app
who ads and everything like that.
And all I could think about is how like you guys like the whole
APU community. You're so well put together and

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it's so undervalued. It like pisses me off every day.
I do not understand it. I go to apu.com and I'm like,
holy shit, there is so much stuff here and it makes me feel
like like shit basically like I'm not like APU.
No, I, I put it this way too. I'm not like, you know, I can

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glaze APU all night long. Like just trust me, trust me.
But the only team that comes close, I think is like the pudgy
Penguins team. And like I bought pudgy
Penguins, like I was minting those things back in the back in
the day. And like their team right now,
like content wise are like the only ones.
I think it could come close to what APU is doing.
There's just like too many of y'all like everywhere, like you

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have, you know, the blue, the pawn talk show and there's like
just producers popping up with APU PO PS And I'm just like,
dude, they're everywhere. I can't do this.
Like it's crazy. And you know, it's what my
favorite. First of all, thank you for
saying that. I, I think what I love about
this that isn't really, I don't think it's obvious yet to
people, but what, what I, what we did and what I, what I

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noticed immediately was that allof a sudden people were like,
OK, you know, we, we launched our seeking at night, you know,
every Saturday, which we, we're going to have to skip.
We skipped last Saturday becauseof programming.
We scheduled things in advance, but we have, so we're, we're
starting that. I don't know if you saw that,
that we did that, which is like our late night kind of thing.
And then other people, someone else was like, oh, I think I

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want to do a cooking show. And I was like, hell yeah, like,
let me, let me turn the platform.
Let me give it back to APU. You know, like I'm, I'm like,
take it like you can like to me,it's like it doesn't belong to
me. It belongs to the community.
And so when people are like, oh,I feel like there's a place
where I can go and be creative and produce things.

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I'm like, have it, but, you know, take it and enjoy it.
And, and, and watching other people sort of either A, gain
the confidence or B, gain the inspiration.
That has been the most humbling experience for me.
Yeah. How did you, how did you really
get, I'm not kind of interviewing you now, but how
did you really get into APU though?
I didn't because you you kind ofjust came out of nowhere really.

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And because I remember I saw youjust on the timeline.
I was like, I don't know, it's like your aura or whatever,
besides what, you know, David could say whatever it was, but
yeah, like, yeah, this aura. And I was like, OK, you just, I
felt like you just had it, like I don't know what it was.
Just like, this is going to be successful down the road.
Like that's you. I just don't.
Know where you came from publicly, by the way.

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You were you were you were I I have the clip because someone
recorded it and sent it to me. Well.
The other AFPU people were saying it too.
They're just like, you know, I, I think that we got some here,
boys. Yeah, and, and, and, and you
know, some of them, to their credit, there's this one guy who
he's been a little inactive. His name is Sato and he before
it started, by the way, when we were still in the the DMS, he in

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the group chat where what kind of was born.
He was like, this is going to be, you know, and I was like,
come on, no, it's not. And he's like just watch.
And so I, I asked him a few weeks ago.
I was like, how did you know? He's like, I just knew dude, I
just knew to answer your question, I didn't get into APU.
APU got into me. They took me.
They found me this so I'm serious.

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They so shroom in 5G found me ina dumpster.
And that's not too far from the truth.
I was I was hosting political spaces a few years ago, a few
years ago, a year ago, more thana year ago now.
And and they rated me. And the instant that they showed
up, I thought they were Nazis. Like the second they showed up,

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I thought that they, it was likethe gripers, you know.
And so we know we were all readyfor for it and we were, you
know, and then I let one up to speak because I'm as much as I
am, you know, I'm, I'm, I'll listen to people.
I'll, I'll destroy them if they say stupid shit, but I'll listen
to them. I let one up and it was, it was

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Jim and it was Shroom. And there's a few others and
they're like, we come in peace, like we are not the gripers.
And they did their spiel. This is like a month or two
after rug. So this was not, you know, not
been that long. And, and they gave, they gave
their pitch and I fell in love instantly.
Like in that moment, I downloaded Coinbase, which I

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hadn't used in years. And I, and I bought like 15
bucks of APU. And I, by the way, I bought the
wrong one, totally bought the wrong one.
And because I didn't understand how it worked and, and from,
but, and then they like, they'relike, all right, it's time to
go. And they left spaces.
And I was like, I actually like,I wanted to end my space and go

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with them. Like that was how that was how
strong the connection was for me, like right off the bat.
And then, and then I was just kind of there dormantly,
passively for 8:00 or so months to, you know, almost a year from
almost a year, exactly from Juneto June until in late May of

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this year, we were all, we all got together in an NFT chat to
see how we can take our NFTS to the next level.
And there's this, this big dev in the group chat and, and we're
all sort of throwing out ideas like buy NFTS.
And we're like, Hey, we try likewe've, I have no more money.
I can't eat for three weeks. I bought all the NF DS I could
buy. And they're like, how do we come

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up with new ideas? What can we do?
And the dev goes in a very like ominous, almost cringe, but what
not, you know, not to cringe. He goes, if you guys want to
take this project to the next level, build something.
And then he leaves the group chat.
I was like very cinematic in my mind.
And he just like throws it down on the table and walks out.

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He was like, you know, and so I,I, I'm, we're kind of all just
sitting there and I don't know who suggested it.
I, I wish I could tell you who it was.
I don't know, but someone said, Hey, let's do this because at
the time I was already, I was already doing my own podcast for
the politics stuff. And I've been doing YouTube
content creation since I was 15.And I mean, even earlier since I

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was 12. So I was kind of already, and I
was just winding it down becauseI was like, this is the 19th
time in my life I've tried to become a content creator.
It didn't work. Again, you know, I'm a lawyer as
well, so I don't really have thetime, you know, to say the
least. So I was just like, fuck it, you
know, whatever. And then as I was winding it
down and people were like, and then I think it was 5G that said

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I want you to wear. I want you to dress up as Mr.
Rogers. And I said, who's Mr. Rogers?
Oh. Fuck yeah.
And and so they're like, no, youneed to dress up this way.
And I was like, I'm not doing this.
And they're like, you're doing it.
And I said, guys, I'm not doing it.
And the next. Day was just your swag.
I thought that was like just your personal style, like.
It's become that, No, between you and me, Rex, I would wear

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this out. I would.
I like this, you know, it's kindof.
Lawyer ish a little, I mean justyeah, no.
No, it is. It's professional for sure, for
sure. But it didn't start.
So it didn't start off. I have this is my version of it.
It it started off, you know. Yeah, 'cause I definitely
noticed. And.
The aesthetic of it all, yeah. That was designed, that was
designed by 5G and and a few others and and I'm also

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contractually obligated now to wear the cardigan.
They drafted a constitution thatI didn't sign, but and the
constitution starts in Article 300 and something I don't know.
This is what I'm talking about. Like there's they're so
advanced. I can't like it's funny to say
that too, like because Shroom was one of the first like people
to really reach out to me as well and talk to me because you

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know, I come from like a different, I guess a different
cycle where it was Bobo and Pepe.
And I think I was like one of the first ones to publicly
acknowledge APU as like a different frog or whatever.
Because you know, APU and I, I recognize that poo like when
they first launched you, I, I saw them rating on biz.

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And I mean, we, we know the, thePepe community, like a lot of
them aren't really on biz. I mean, I'm just going to come
out and say that right now. But like, I saw the APU people
in there and I was like, I was telling them.
I was like, Hey, there's this other coin.
There's this APU community. They're rating really hard.
These people I like on biz making memes, everything like
that. I mean, you guys might want to

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take a look at this or whatever.And then like there was a bunch
of, you know, the whole negativity thing and, and, but I
knew that in in my in my Bobo heart that it was the right
thing to do to recognize APU because I am an actual like meme
creator and I use like APU content to make Bobo's and stuff
like that. So I remember Shroom reaching

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out after that and just saying like thank you and stuff like
for saying that on the timeline.And I get, I mean, it was like I
got flooded the shit for that, for just acknowledging APU.
There was definitely and by the way, they love you, man.
I mean, I know you know that, but they they really love you.
David is fighting people in the comments.

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Well, they're like like the they're just from like they're
like my people really like it was like, you know, you're kind
of just in a different village, like you're like in the crypto
village and then there's like biz like they're like the link
Marines and like the 4 Chan community.
And then you see them kind of like huddle up over there and
you're like, hey, there's my people over there.
And they're like, where are you?Why are you looking at them over
there? I was like, no, that's like my

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tribe. Like, I know they know
everything that I know, like. Yeah, that's how I felt.
Just not not not on the meme, not on the 4 Chan culture,
unlike the autism. I was like, oh, they're just
like me and I and I'm serious and they and and so.
And by the way, when I say they love you, I mean, I've there was
a moment where people thought I was about to take a trajectory
that would have made this show impossible, that people thought

(30:22):
I was about to take a turn that would have put you and me at
odds. They're dramatic.
I don't know, we'll talk about it.
But and so there I got DMS. They're like, please no.
Like the only person I love moreis like, I want, I want rekt.
I need Bobo. And I was like, Oh my God.
So they really, really, they genuinely love you and they love
the meme too. It's like it, it's, it's

(30:43):
obviously like I, I, I think they see the APU that is inside
of Bobo both spiritually and like literally artistically.
Yeah, it's just, you know, the at the essence of Bobo memes,
It's just, you know, Bobo's justkind of like graffiti.
It's turning frogs into bears. Like that's the meme.
You know, it takes the smugness of Pepe or the cute Ness of APU

(31:04):
and it turns it into a Bobo memeand they get shared virally
because you know those are like the you know what better means
to to represent the bear market or like crypto and finance.
So. It's a perfect foil too, for
APU. It's literally red, you know,
and APU's green, and it's like, it's the perfect foil.
Yeah, it's, it's really, it's beautiful is what it is.
I want to, I want to talk to you.

(31:26):
At the risk of getting a little serious, I, I want to, I have a
few questions for you that I waslike, I'll be very upset with
me, with myself if I don't get answers to these questions.
Fire away. So the very first thing that
that I want to talk about, I want to gain a little bit more
insight on is Moon Cat. The very first thing I have to

(31:48):
know, and before you even answer, because that's just not
even a question, right? My question is this, as a dev
and as a leader in this space, how do you reconcile your
affiliation with Moon Cat? As a let me freeze it this way,

(32:13):
Do you think that as a dev you can be bullish and outwardly
bullish on any other coin while still being a Bobo maximalist?
Well, I would say like I was bullish on Pepe, I was bullish

(32:33):
on APU, I was bullish on Wojack,I was bullish on Moo Moo, I was
bullish on Harry Potter, Obama Sonic Tenninu, I was bullish and
like the list goes on. And I the whole reason behind
the moon cat thing was it was kind of like it.
I saw who was shilling the othertickers and I despise them.

(32:58):
Like in the moon in the moon shot ecosystem, there's like
these two cabals and I saw them showing it and the other coin
that wasn't associated with themwas was moon cat.
So it was recommended to me in my stream, like we're doing our
little TA streams or whatever. And so I was like, yeah, I'll
look at these. You know, everyone's like look

(33:19):
at this coin, look at this coin,look at this coin.
And so I looked at it and it waspretty much like the anti to
like the people I don't like in the space that I knew their
coins were going to go to zero and rug and they did.
It's literally the only coin really left in the moon shot
ecosystem. Probably because I I talked
about it and then the the bow, the bow Bros got in on it.

(33:42):
But I don't know. I, I was it's like one of those
deals where you're like you, youshouldn't do this and then you
just you hit send tweet and thenthat's it kind of spurred from
that. I think a lot of the backlash
too came from people thinking itwas my coin as well.
A lot of people said this is this is Rekt Takashi's coin.

(34:07):
He's running Moon cat. And people thought that for
about, you know, a couple weeks,I think, until the actual dev
came out and was like, hey, guys, I'm, I think his name's
Kat Toshi. So I mean, it was really, you
know, it was, you know, I had noidea who the dev was.
So it was risky doing that. I had no idea if the coin was

(34:27):
going to rug. I really just did it on a whim
because I didn't like who was running the other two or three
coins in the moon ecosystem. And then it kind of just picked
up after that. I guess so.
Do you do you think so? So for example, right, my
initial gut reaction when I saw it was why is the dev of one of

(34:48):
my favorite coins pushing another coin that was like that
was my first. My first reaction was like, why
is he doing this? I think and well, but, but I
want to, but I want to say that it quickly.
So I that was my first impression.
And then The thing is, though, is that I because for Bobo, the
the best part of Bobo aside fromthe community for me is you.

(35:10):
And so when I, when I saw that, I was like, I'm going to give
him the benefit of the doubt because I didn't have any reason
to not. And then I had an exchange with
the community personally that would left me going, I don't
know. And then afterwards it got much.
Better, I think I know you're. Talking about yeah, yeah.
And then afterwards it got much better, much, much better to now
to the point where I, I, I consider myself even friendly

(35:32):
with, with Moon Cat. But but it was so that that was
like my trajectory with it. So I guess.
Yeah. Were was it something you
actively thought about when you did it, or was this more so just
like I, I need to counter the narratives that I'm seeing?
It was like, it's basically likethe Bobo in me.
Like I saw people, I mean, people know who I don't like on

(35:56):
the timeline pretty much. And I saw those people and like
the other coins. And it's like I'm always trying
to like, I don't know, like playlike the the Bobo roll and
everything. But I just saw who was in the
other coins and I was like, I'm just going to talk about this
coin and I'm going to show everybody that, look, this is
the only organic thing. And these guys, you know, they

(36:17):
shield these coins and they always last about two weeks and
then they go to zero. I mean, and it it played out so.
I, I don't, I don't have a problem.
Like when I thought about it, I was like, well, it's no
different than me being bullish about, I mean, I'm not a dev,
but me being bullish on SPX or being bullish on on anything
else. But if I can, yeah.

(36:39):
Or that's the thing too. Like I've called, I think David
said it really well last night, because since, you know, 2018,
I've been bull posting tickers like just weekly.
Like that was my whole deal. Like I would just, I'm just a
traitor. Like I just trade post stuff all
the time. And since like Bobo blew up and

(36:59):
like it's just, it's just continuing, continuing to blow
up in popularity. Like David said, like things
have changed. I saw him stay on the show this
morning. Like I'm not going to tell you
guys anything I go into anymore because it's just different now.
Like it's, it's just different. And you know, a lot of that,
I've been thinking about that a lot.
It's like, I don't, I don't know.

(37:20):
I've I've bull posted so much stuff in the past and you know,
it's like recently if I talk about something, it's just, it's
just different now. It's different.
I don't know, it's like Pepe holders can talk about MOG all
day, but you know, or vice versa.
But I you know, I don't know. It's it's like very hypocritical

(37:42):
double standards everywhere, I think.
Well, I'll tell you for me, likesomething I'm starting to
grapple with, and I've been thinking, I've been, I've been
grappling with it for a while, is what are the ethical
implications of having a platform?
You know, if I hold Moonkat, do I say that?
If I say it, do I say it before I get in or after?
At what point is it manipulationby doing that?

(38:04):
Do I pigeonhole myself? You know, do I, do I dox my
wallet? Do I not dox my wallet?
And I think that there aren't any hard and fast rules for
this, which is as an attorney, really annoying.
I wish there were. But I look at Murad and I think,
OK, you know, I, I had a priest,I had a conversation with Landy
on a stream about that. And he was like, well, I don't

(38:26):
like that he did it this way. I don't like that he did it that
way. And he had fair criticism.
And I said, Landy, I think you're right.
Except like the way Murad did itwas the worst way possible
unless you take into consideration all the other
ways. And if you take into
consideration all the other waysthat he could have done it, that
one was probably the most ethical.
But yeah, I think, yeah, I thinkso.
I think he's he's done it the the most ethical way he could.

(38:47):
I really, I really do. And.
Not changing the list at all. And, you know, there are some
coins on there that people wouldconsider probably to be duds,
you know, but if he if he adds one more coin to that list, it's
over. Like the the whole thing goes up
in flames pretty much at that point the whole the.
Integrity of the whole thing comes, Yeah.

(39:09):
And, and, and to some extent, it's become its own asset.
So you know what, what will happen inevitably is people will
go, you know, when SPX takes off.
And I think that's an inevitability at this point.
People are going to go, Oh my God, what's next?
Right. And it's, it's, there's going to
be a cascading effect, I think, or a waterfall effect, perhaps

(39:29):
spillover even. And I think that for, for new,
by the way, I'm not suggesting arotation.
I just think other people are going to go and be like, huh,
OK, Murad has this menu, so to speak.
And if I order a hamburger, the wait is 3 hours.
But these fish sticks, you know what I mean?
Like I, I think that's how new people are going to look at it.

(39:50):
And, and here's the thing, you know, and, and here's the one
criticism I have about the SPX community.
It's not even really the community.
It's just some people in it whenthey sit, when they're, because
they're maximalist too and, and in their own right.
You know what I mean? To, I respect it, but it's like
my friends, Murad created the list.
The list implies that he, he's in all of them.

(40:10):
So if he can be in all of them, why can't I?
Right. So I, I think, I think there's
some cognitive dissonance if if for the maximalist a little bit.
Yeah, a little. I've never really been a maxi
like it's really just the maxi type vibe like, and I think Bobo
as like a market meme attracts alot of traders.

(40:33):
Like it's a trading meme. I think that's what separates
Bobo from everything else because Bobo is a meme that is
used to talk about every other coin.
Like if your chart is down, you're getting a Bobo meme.
Like we're going to talk about, we're going to, we're going to
list every single ticker there is.
Like that's I think what the difference is between Bobo and

(40:54):
every other meme in the market. You can't you can be a Bobo maxi
in a sense that we're going to short your coin to 0 and it's
all going into Bobo kind of thing, but at the same time
we're talking about your coin. So it's kind of like but you
know it with like moon cat, you know, I'm bull posting a coin.
So it's you know, inverse of that.

(41:14):
But I would say, you know, to goback to the moon cat thing, like
I enjoy the moon shot app. It was the first coin like cat
coin on their app application. They have no launchpad wars on
Solana. And that was like my, my choice.
And it, it ended up running a little bit and, you know, now

(41:37):
it's, it's kind of there, but that's the moon cat thing.
Right, no. And I and I understand, you
know, when I think about it, I don't I don't know why I had the
like on paper. On paper, I shouldn't have had
the reaction I had and that was the reaction I had was before I
interacted with anybody. So like, so if if I charted, if

(42:00):
I charted my my sentiment towards Bobo or not Bobo, excuse
me, towards moon Cat. It was it was like suspicious
like I don't know what's going on here to then.
Wow, it's a really sour engagement.
I had or encounter to OK, like now I'm I'm we're good.
Everything's great now, but that, yeah.

(42:21):
Or I was about to say that probably is a risky thing about
it too 'cause it's like I wantedto, when I talked about it and I
saw where it was heading, everyone thought I was like the
devil of the like the, the coin or whatever.
And I was like, OK, I need to back up.
Like they need to take control of this.
Like I've been a part of like more CT OS in the past too.
Like I've helped little like projects get on their feet and

(42:43):
like take off and stuff like that.
I'm kind of known for that too back, you know, back a few
months ago. But like, and then that's it
comes to a point where you're like, OK, I gotta let you, you
know, get your wings, go fly away you.
Know well, you have to, because,because if they become dependent
upon you and then you're like, all right, I'm going back to
what I do full time. I'm going back to Bobo.

(43:04):
People will, will be like, Oh, I'm bearish now because you're,
you know, Rex's gone. So and you guys can't stand on
your own, which I'm not saying that's true.
I'm just saying people might think that way.
And so that's like, you know, that, that that's a risk.
It is a risk. You, you don't want people to,
on the one hand, you, you want, it's a, it's a fine line to walk

(43:27):
because you, you want to have people on the team that, that at
the very least don't repel people away, right?
It's nice to even have them attract people into the
community, but you also need to have a community that's that can
stand on its own. And so when you when you took
some of your attention and put it on on Moon Cat, I think a lot

(43:48):
of the Bo Bros did too. But I didn't feel I did.
Never once, never once did I feel like, oh, Bobo is not in
good hands anymore. I didn't feel that way.
I was just confused. But but again, in hindsight, I
don't know that that was justified because I don't really
know. Like why can't you?
It is yeah. It is a weird dynamic too
because I go I go live on streamand I I chart other coins like

(44:13):
like people come in and they're asking a dev of another project
to chart their coins and tell you why it's bullish and why
it's going to go up. Even if it's like, you know, it
could be the same market cap as Bobo.
It could be an enemy of Bobo. They're coming in the chat and
I'm just like charting doing TA on it just because it's just
something I've always done. But it's like, you know, like

(44:33):
David said, I don't know, I don't know if I should do it
anymore or what. It's it's just it's got to a
point where Bobo is reaching, you know, multi cycle escape
velocity. And you know, I never got these
questions in the past. So it's kind of like a new
thing. It's like maybe you have to
change and you know, kind of grow with the size of your

(44:56):
project type deal. So those are all things that
I've been thinking about like the last week so.
I mean, I think that's probably true.
I also think that I don't know, look at APU.
I mean, we, I, I, you said it earlier, I have no idea why our
market cap isn't in the billions.

(45:16):
I don't understand it. I don't care that much because I
know it'll get there, but but from a sheer when I just like
look at it, I'm just like and I did you did you see the the
Murad, the movie? Which one like is it like I it
did APU make this Murad the OR what is it?

(45:36):
So yes, I'm using. I don't think I did.
Terms. That was the first video I did
where I reacted to his token or his, his PowerPoint that he did.
He did like 500 slides or whatever it was 150 reasons why
SPX will change the world or whatever it was that he did.
And, and I was looking at all the metrics.
Some of them that I felt like we're just completely just

(45:57):
complete inventions like that. I couldn't figure out what they
meant, but some of them I felt thought were very real.
And, and I, I looked at it and Igo, what this is telling me is
that like, what this is telling me is that APU is really
undervalued. That's what that that's what I,
I walked away from, from Rod's video thinking.

(46:19):
I believe in SBX and APU's way undervalued.
But I say that to say that I don't think short term there are
consequences for production and organization, good or bad.
But I think like you just said, I think long term there must be
and and a few people have DM me saying, Hey, I think I think APU

(46:44):
is setting a model of like how things need to be run.
And I don't know if that's true,but I think that it's a net
positive. If if things just got a bit
more. I want to say if everyone was
like us, but I want to say like,I think, excuse me, I think that

(47:05):
crypto would be a better place if projects, not necessarily all
projects, but if if more projects were to start to
organize in a way that for a promoted efficiency, but B just
delivered more for their holders.
Because at the end of the day, it's an attention economy, yes,

(47:25):
but but it's a community. And so you're you're you're
you're what do you offer? You know what I mean?
I, for example, I can only stareat a pump fund stream for so
long, right? And if and if you're right, and
if and if the way you get the engagement is by committing more
and more outrageous crimes or pretending to, then eventually

(47:50):
you're going to succeed. And if you do, you're going to
jail. And I don't know how bullish I
can be about a coin when the devis in jail.
Yeah, that's bullish. Sometimes it's been bullish in
the past. I don't know.
It depends. For how long?
Well, I guess it wasn't bullish for Luna, but I mean, he was
trying to save the coin and thenhe went to jail.

(48:12):
So I guess that was a little different.
I don't know. But I, I just, I think that and
I also think that people get caught up in like in the, the
degenosphere is what I'll call it.
People forget that CT isn't the real world.
Yeah, 100%. And, and what I, by the way, to
bring it back to Bobo, what I love about Bobo is that you, you
occupy a lane that's really onlyyou can occupy.

(48:35):
It's like you, you're not a trading coin.
You're a culture coin. The culture though, is trading
culture, right? If I had to, if I, if I made a
movie for Bobo, it would be called Bobo.
Everyone has red days. That would be the movie and that
that would be the tagline of themovie.
And so and so you capitalize on trading culture.
You become a culture coin, whichyou know, is in its own right a

(48:59):
movement coin, right? I mean, it, it, it is, I think
one of these Pbas in the making,if not already.
It's a. It's a brand of trading like
100%. It's a trading brand.
And like, if you put, if you think about it like that with
like, you know, Tradfi crypto finance, there's already some
very large financial entities like, you know, just websites X

(49:25):
accounts, you know, I don't know, Forbes, whoever, you know,
people just using Bobo memes, just, you know, you know, Adam
back was it the El Salvador president using Bobo just, you
know, just to describe the market and you know, just
bearish content or whatever. It's just a huge brand when you
really start thinking about it like that.
The only like 1 meme represents that whole side of the market.

(49:49):
It's pretty crazy to think aboutlike the scope of that whole
thing. Because nobody else wants to do
it. Nobody else wants to be a bear.
Because the industry. Yeah, nobody, because everybody
wants to be a bull and, you know, extract a lot of money.
That's what it, you know, that'swhat, you know, the Bo Bros and
the we always attack all these people, these like these perma

(50:09):
bulls and these extractors and these cabals.
Like that's what that's our job to go out there and call people
out on their on their BS. Like that's the whole meme.
Like we want to see those people.
I don't, I want to say suffer, but like brought to justice.
Like that's the whole bear thing.
So I. Mean I'm envisioning Bobo in

(50:30):
like a Batman Batman suit. Yeah, he's, he's the anti hero.
He's like the, you know, he's kind of like the Vegeta or the
Raphael of Ninja Turtles, like just kind of grumpy in the
corner, but he means well. Do you what do you what what has
been for you the most difficult or or challenging part of being

(50:51):
a dev and and working on Bobo? Marketing a bear.
Really, it's just like such a popular and used meme.
I'm like, look at pudgy Penguinslike they're the, you know,
quote, UN quote, the biggest brand in web 3 right now.
And they're using Bobo for engagement on all their posts.
Like, so it's, it's trying to figure out a way to market it in

(51:15):
a way that's bullish, turning the bear to a bull, you know,
that's constantly coming up withpeople that are just like, why
would I buy a bear in a bull market?
And then I counter that. And while I say go look at the
Mumu coins because they're all, you know, they're buying the
bear coin though, they're buyingthe bear coin.

(51:37):
So you know, out of the two characters there's a lot of bull
coins, there's only 11 bear so. Do you, do you?
I mean, what make, what's a, what makes a good meme for you?
I mean to you, you were listening to the conversation
the other night with Landy. What makes a good meme for you?
Because I I well, let me just ask the question and get your

(51:57):
answer. Oh, just go from there.
Yeah, like one thing that's. Not forced.
I mean, it's like organically used.
I mean, just, I mean the word, the word meme is just really
lost its relevance with all the tokenization of everything.

(52:17):
I think there has to be like a new word for these new coins
that are being launched, like trend tokens or something, you
know, a meme. Memes were able to survive
without tokenization in the pastand that says a lot like before
like the whole tokenization movement started or like before

(52:37):
the summer of 2023, memes just existed without any like
financial incentive for them to exist.
So I think it's harder now to tell what is real and what's
fake. Like so I mean it was it was
easy to tell in the past, like memes that are just getting
shared constantly in forums or just making people laugh daily

(52:58):
on timelines and stuff like that.
It was really like Wojack, Bobo and Pepe APU memes just like
that was it? And then you had like your
market memes like your moo moos and you know, with black Swans
and stuff like that. But that was pretty much CT for
like 5-5 years or so before the real tokenization of everything.

(53:22):
So I don't know, it's just whatever everyone vibes with I
guess. Whatever makes me laugh at.
Everyone has their own opinion on what makes a real meme I
guess. Well, so OK, that's that's fair.
What? What makes a real meme coin?

(53:42):
The insiders in the market cap in the manipulation, like I
don't know, I think that's why you know some like when you're
talking about a poo and like, why is it not higher?
I think like, you know, the the way meme coins launch is, it's
such a factor in in these thingslike there's like like troll

(54:03):
coin. Look at troll coin right now.
It's, you know, one of the most iconic memes of all time.
It was just chilling it like 20 mil forever and then pump fun
starts doing buybacks on it. And now it's running up to like,
you know, 102 hundred mil. And now it's like, wow, now
troll coin looks beautiful. Now it's like I see the vision.
Now I see the vision. It's just like there's a lot of

(54:26):
things that go into like the market cap side of things that
people don't talk about. You know, getting back to APU,
like APU was ACTO, right? Because their dev came and like,
you know, rugged it and then ranoff.
And it's like if APU launched again today, there'd be so much
more, you know, done correctly. It's like you kind of try to
pick up the pieces of everythingand APU is doing more than an

(54:50):
amazing job from having that start like an explosion at the
beginning when some of these other coins that I would say
have fraudulent billion dollar market caps because of how they
launched and you know, they havesupply control, they're running
market makers, things like that.So and I don't think market cap

(55:10):
really makes the meme. I think you know the IT it'll
work itself out over time, like multi cycle type deal.
That's what I saw with Doge for so long, like doge was just
constantly around. They had a really great
community for years. They just kept building and it
it slowly worked itself out overtime.
But as far as like, you know, market, I don't think market cap

(55:33):
makes the meme is what I'm trying to say, especially in
crypto. Right.
But So what does I mean, what ifit's not market cap?
What does? It means like, what I like, I
don't know, like just whatever makes a good meme, I mean.
Well, so there, so there were, there were many APUS, right?

(55:54):
There were many Pepes. There were many APUS.
From my understanding there weremany Bobo's at some point.
Oh yes, they crashed and burned.That's another thing.
So why didn't like did? Did you also buy those or or
why? Well, people were using my
artwork and like rugging tokens.So I kind of like, you know, the
Bobo life chose the Bobo coin life chose me.

(56:17):
I mean, I had an NFT project that launched before the coin
ever launched. So there were Bobo coins
launching and rugging in my community was like, hey, why
don't we have a coin? They're stealing all our NFT
artwork and they're, they're launching these coins.
And you know, they're, there's these just like scammers running
up, making, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars with

(56:38):
these like little Bobo coin runs.
And so I was like, OK, we'll launch, watch the coin, launch
the token, give to the community.
So that's kind of how I got put into the bubble coin type deal.
So yeah. And like with OK, so you say
there's and you say there's a lot of Peppes that were

(56:58):
launched, right? Sure.
There were, there were a lot of Peppes launched.
Yes, there were there were quitea few Peppes launched, but not
all of them started off with a bunch of market makers and had,
you know, millions of dollars oflike washed money through them

(57:20):
from like rugged projects and stuff too.
So if I mean, there's a lot of stuff with Pepe we could talk
about about why it is at the level it is.
It's it's well documented on X2,but a lot of these billion
dollar market caps are they don't, they don't make the meme
is what I'm trying to say. No, I agree.

(57:41):
I think the meme typically makesthe market cap, or should
anyways, but it but my point though is that it must be more
than just the meme. There's there has to be more to
it than that. Yeah, there's a there's a lot
going on behind the scenes with a lot of these coins, whether
they're, you know, they got a bunch of supply or they're

(58:03):
running a bunch of, you know, stuff behind the scenes.
That's what I'm trying to say. I hear what you're saying, yeah.
What do you think of this? OK, what is this?
This is better than the MU rad graph.
Hold on. Let me see Here we are here

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time. I'm OK.
This is almost like the doctor. I'm trying to read it.
Innovation, Launchpads, IC, OS. We are here like a bear chart,
like everything's going to 0. Like.
What's this? Like we're right here.
This looks like I had a card. It was a Cash App card and I

(58:46):
drew this chart on it called therect chart and it looked exactly
like this. You, I think actually one point
you, you were on stream when I posted this originally and I
think your quote on this was this is the most Bobo thing
Blues ever posted. I think is your, your, your
initial comment on this. So what this is saying is this

(59:08):
is distribution of capital amongcoins.
So this just kind of shows how spread out the money is.
And, and what I have posited here is, is that we are at a
point where people are going to start jumping ship and, and
there's going to be a mass, a rapid mass consolidation.

(59:30):
And my my thesis, I guess, is that we're going to notice pump
fun, bong, whatever the fuck is being launched.
You know, all the launchpad frenzy that we're going to see a
tipping point where these thingsstop launching as many coins
because because Rex, there's gotto be a finite number.

(59:51):
There is a finite number of coins that can be launched that
will be launched. Now when I say that.
Yeah, it's been 1,000,000 now. Right.
Well, so, and it's, it's like AIdon't know if they're tired of
it logarithmic, but it, it will,it's an, it's gonna like one of
those lines that's like approaching that number but
never quite reaches it kind of thing.
You know, pretty sure that is a logarithm.

(01:00:13):
But my point is, is that it whenit, when I say finite, it's as
close to finite as you can be. It's, it's there will always be
new coins of like, you know, Hulk Hogan coin or whatever, you
know, there will always be new coins, but that number will just
drop off to like to 10/20 a day,whatever from, you know,

(01:00:37):
millions or hundreds of thousands or whatever the number
is. And so I think, I think what
we're going to see is that once every idea has been tokenized,
every meme, that's it. You know, no one's no one's
going to launch Bobo 2. No one's going to point O.

(01:00:58):
Right. No one's going to try and launch
APU 2. Yeah, 2 point O.
The two point O coins were a meta back in 2023.
Was pretty funny, right? That I didn't know and I I see I
didn't even know that, but I'm yeah, I'll feel but it and it
makes total sense because OK, when's Bobo 3 coming out?
You know, like it's, it's stupid.
They had that too. It was.
Pretty crazy, right? So, so it's like, it's like

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that's not gonna work. So once every idea, every
character, every character, every IP essentially has been
tokenized, then that's it. Now what?
Right. And then I think my theory is
that much like the universe scattering matter all across
time and space, gravity is goingto pull everything back together

(01:01:41):
once we've reached sort of the limits of all that can be, and
everything's going to come back together into just a few select
places. That's my theory.
It is a good theory because it happened in 2021 with Pancake
Swap. So pancake Swap had like the BNB
season and there were just, you know, hundreds and thousands of
coins launched and eventually people got tired of being rugged

(01:02:02):
like and they ended up going back to Ethereum and you know,
just trading. Well, it actually started a bear
market is what it started because a lot of people are
getting rugged in those coins and stuff like that.
And they went back and then likethe whole, you know, FTX
collapse and whatever started. But yeah, anyway, like I think

(01:02:23):
you're right. And I think the reason why it's
lasted as long as it has is because Solana and their team
kind of doubled down on degeneracy and that surprised a
lot of people. I think that's surprised Vitalik
and Ethereum And you know, there's like, oh, you are going
to play dirty, y'all playing really dirty.
And I, that's the one thing I applaud about Ethereum is they

(01:02:46):
stayed true to themselves and, you know, they didn't try to
play dirty with them. I thought that was really unique
how they did that because back in 2021, BNB instead of doubling
down on degeneracy, because theyhad a huge meme cycle on their

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chain and they basically ignoredit.
They had they had like safe moon, they had, I was like baby
doge. They had all these coins
launching and they they're like,Nope, we're not listing any of
them. We're not listing any of them on
finance. And Solana took like the
opposite of that. And I think that's why we're
seeing a prolonged, you know, kind of trench season with this.

(01:03:28):
Like they're really dragging it out.
But even with the pump fun tokenand it's kind of catching a
little bit of a bid right now, like at the we're trying to find
a bottom. It really does kind of feel
like, you know, well, what's next after this, like you said.
And, and to go back on what you said about how all the

(01:03:49):
characters are going to be used up and to go back to like, you
know, what makes a meme and likethe market cap and stuff like
that, like troll coin, like going back to that, there were a
ton of troll coins probably thatwere launched before that one.
And so it was basically just theright team that was like, no,
enough's enough. And I mentioned that in stream a
lot. I was like, you know, if this

(01:04:09):
ends up being the troll coin, just like how there was like the
Pepe coin or the APU coin or theBobo coin and everyone's like
enough's enough. Like we're this is the one we
chose. That's it.
This is troll coin. Then you know, those coins have
the ability to absolutely explode like like you said.
So people will get tired of it eventually.

(01:04:30):
They can say that, you know, they're not getting tired of it,
but it's happened before and history does look like it's
repeating itself, but it's kind of being drug out a little bit,
I think by the people that are the leadership on a Solano.
I want to change gears a little bit here.
I want to go to the story that made me.
The second I heard this, I bought the coin, I bought Bobo.

(01:04:52):
Oh gosh, was it a wormhole or the NFTS?
There was some fiasco where a lot of people lost money and
yeah, go ahead. Or no, go ahead, go ahead.
Well. No, just and they, they, they
lost money. And the, the from my
understanding of when I was watching your stream, you went

(01:05:13):
person by person to as many of them as as reveal themselves to
you and that you could verify and made it right with them.
Tell, tell me, tell us more about that.
Yeah, I mean a lot, I guess I did say it on stream, but a lot
of people didn't know about that.
That's why I don't hear about ita lot anymore is because, well,
wormhole, I did the, you know, Idid the base bridge and it went

(01:05:35):
perfectly fine. Of course, you know, it's, it's
because base, you know, they have their stuff together.
I don't know. And I wormhole in this, they
don't have this disclaimer on their side or anything like
that. So if, if you're an Etherium
coin, you know, heed this warning.
If you have a supply over, it's the most random #184 billion.

(01:05:57):
If you have a supply, a token supply over 184 billion, your
wormhole will not work like it is broken.
It does not work for coins over 184 billion supply for whatever
reason. It's in their code.
They'd had no disclaimer, nothing like that.
I did not know that until after it launched.
And you know, all hell broke loose.

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And I reached out to wormhole and I asked them, this was
months ago. This was like last, I'm going to
say it was last year. Have you taken legal action?
I guess wormhole it happened to another coin as well.
It happened to Jesus coin and I reached out to Jesus and as you

(01:06:40):
do I was like Jesus please help me like what is going on.
They actually hit me up and theywere like hey man the same thing
happened to us and we had to reach out and we got these devs
and we built our own chain or our own bridge not chain sorry
we built our own bridge for it so we can bridge the Solana.
We pay these devs because, you know, wormholes code is screwed.

(01:07:03):
Yeah. So I mean, there could be legal
action there. I mean, that's what the first
thing I thought I was like, and I'm not even that type of
person. I'm like, this sucks.
Like there was no warning. Yeah, but I'm just to any dev
out there, if you're because that was kind of the meta, It's
not anymore. The meta in 2023 and before that

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was like Shib and Pepe. Pepe has four like 420 trillion
supply or something. And like Mog has like, I don't
know, like 200 trillion. Bobo has 69 trillion.
So all well over 184 billion supply.
And then we do that. It was just, it was terrible.

(01:07:46):
So there were people who lost money and they, they DM Ed me
and I was just going, you know, anybody in the like any
comments? And I was like, well, can you
just show me the transactions and what you lost and stuff like
that. And I was going, I was paying it
out personally with my money, like some people lost, you know,

(01:08:07):
5 figures. And I was like, here you go.
I'm sorry. And you know, they would just,
you know, it sucked. It sucked with that whole thing.
And like you said, maybe there should be some type of legal
thing with that, I don't know. But yeah, to me it sounds ripe
for legal action. I mean, we reached out to their

(01:08:29):
team too and they're basically like, tough luck, sorry, you
need to do it a different way. Like there's this other like
burn token mechanism. It was like basically doing it
on your own type deal coding wise.
And that's what they said to youit.
Is basically what I got from it.I got.
There you know there is another way to do it.

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What? Well, the other way is you draft
a lawsuit. No, like Mog coin, MOG coin.
This is why MOG has a a custom bridge to Solana.
They they went and they built out their own bridge through I
think with the help of a different protocol to layer zero
or something. And but yeah, I just totally

(01:09:12):
didn't know I got it was literally a bear trap.
It was a bear trap and. Yeah, tell me, tell me more
about so so you people came to you, showed you the the their
transactions and and then what? And then, you know, paid them
back, you know, just out of pocket, whatever.
Just try to help as many people as I could.

(01:09:32):
I knew, you know, some people were, you know, more hurt than
others on there. And some people were just like,
ah, that's cool, man. I know, like, shit happens, but
some people were just like, man,I really went in and I'm hurting
and, you know, just trying to make those people whole.
So after I did that, those people were, you know, able to

(01:09:52):
still stick around and trade, but, you know.
That's the story. When I heard that, I was like,
I'm in that I, I, I, I'm not even kidding.
I heard that story and in that moment I bought Boba.
I was like, I'm in. And I think I don't know if you
realize how much power. I mean, I'm sure you do, but,

(01:10:15):
but I don't know if if you're ever told that, how much of the,
of the, of the Bobo community, how important the leadership is
and not just in the Bobo community, in any community.
It's so important. And, and see, on the one hand,
you have a dev like you, right? Who is who?
That's what you did. That's your story, that's your,

(01:10:36):
your character. And then you have a, then you
have devs that are, you know, there are devs that people are
tweeting at me. They want me to, they want me to
fight the devs. I don't know if you've seen
that. Yeah, I think I did.
I saw like you're doing some push ups or something.
Or was it the yeah, it's the dude from the trenches.

(01:10:56):
Like the punch called you fat. Which?
Is like, here's the thing. You know what?
Yeah, but I could lose that. I could lose, I could lose more.
I don't think he I don't think he has any idea of like what
he's dealing with, but he he, I just don't, I don't think he has
any idea. But, and he's not wrong, but

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like you ever seen Toy Story? Yeah, all of them.
You know the, you know the, the,the doll head on the spider
body, that toy, it's like 1 of Sid's toys.
Yeah. So if I looked like that or if I
looked like Sid, you know, I would just shut the fuck up.

(01:11:37):
I wouldn't say anything. And I feel like making fun of
people for things that they can't change immediately about
their appearance is off limits unless they do it first.
But anyways, so I'm just saying that like like to people who are
just entering the space on on one hand, like in one corner

(01:11:57):
you, you have a community like Bobo.
On the other hand, you have a community like whatever garbage
is on pump find currently. And and so I think fuck if the
like, let's put the meme aside for a SEC.
Like I said, I like the Bobo meme.
I don't love it. I don't love it the same way I
love APU right though, Like I genuinely love APU, but I love,

(01:12:20):
but I love the Bobo community. And so that's enough for me to
be like, I'm in, you know, I'm in.
It's like the Bobo meme too, is it's just like it's not
everyone's cup of tea too. I mean, every, there's a lot of
people out there that get reallynervous when you know, you post
bears or they just. Like.
They hate, they hate the bear meme.
They're just programmed to hate the bear meme because they're

(01:12:41):
always bullish. But it's not, it's not that it's
just it's like it's a vibe. Like it's an angry vibe, kind
of. It has an edge to it.
I don't know. It's like it's it's like all the
Bo Bros kind of. I don't it attracts a certain
certain type of troll. I should say like 4 Chan troll.

(01:13:04):
And perhaps perhaps the, I mean,yeah, you're right, it does, but
but, but it's like you can. The APU guys are a great example
of this as well. Like like, yeah.
And you know what? Actually, no, fuck that.
Like these are the 4 Chan communities, but they seem to be
the communities with the most upstanding people, like the most
upstanding character. I don't know if it's like a

(01:13:26):
cognitive development thing. I don't know if it's prefrontal
cortex. I really don't know.
I don't know. Simple as people from 4 Chan or
older, like, is that really? Yeah.
It really is just that's why youknow, it's I'd say like with
every other community, especially, you know what I'm
trying to say with this, APU andBobo are basically like the

(01:13:47):
same, same community like in essence for like where they come
from. It's just like, you know, people
in APU, they're going to look atBobo and be like, oh, that's,
that's a, that's a Bobo. No shit.
We know what that meme is. It's been around forever.
You know, it's really like, it'snot even a big deal.
Like if you see him around you, it's like, Oh yeah, that's
that's fucking Bobo. He's doing Bobo things,

(01:14:07):
whatever. And it's like, you know, we're
going to see like APU memes and Pepe memes are like, yeah, you
know, that's that's APU, That's you know, it's Pepe, it's
whatever. And you get these other
communities that are just kind of like, I don't want to say
like normies or just kind of like new to it all, I guess, but
that's why I think APU and Bobo get along so well.
Like it is kind of like this maturity that comes with it too,

(01:14:33):
with these communities. I don't know.
These memes have been around forquite a while though.
Like you said, we've kind of seen a lot.
These memes have seen a lot overtime.
A. 100% I want to change gears alittle bit and talk about why I
originally thought you wanted tocome on the show.
Oh no. And if you if you don't want to,

(01:14:54):
we don't have. To OK.
So you you can tell me if you just want to.
If you'd rather not, we really don't have to.
But there was again, and I said this a little bit yesterday, but
it felt like you were like, I'vehad enough, I'm coming on the
show. And I didn't know if you by that

(01:15:15):
you meant you've had enough people telling you to come on
the show in your comments or youhad enough of the stuff 'cause
that day there was some, there were some things going on
surrounding Bobo. Oh, there's always something
going on. I'm.
Right. So yeah.
Really, it was just like, you know, I was just going to come
on the show because I've been being asked to be on the show so

(01:15:36):
much. So I was like, well, I'll just
come on the show. It doesn't have to be like a one
off deal either. I can just come on whenever.
I guess, I don't know, kind of do my first show and then do a
lot of shows. I don't know because I love that
to be like the last one, first one, last one.
Yeah, so, so it really was just like to get your your viewers to
shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah.

(01:15:57):
Basically, that's what it that'swhat it was.
I love that. I love that.
OK, So. So OK.
I hear you. I hear you.
OK. Where do you think this space is
headed? I don't know.

(01:16:17):
I don't know. I I don't know.
I do see a lot of like the branding and the the I the IP
thing with the wrecked good rug.What's the not really over from
Oh yeah, that guy. I think like the space is moving
towards a more mature route right now.

(01:16:38):
I think it's starting to transition.
You're seeing these brands like Pudgy Penguins.
You're seeing a wrecked the wrecked drinks like they're
they're they're getting in 77 elevens and stuff like that.
They're selling like sparkling water.
I think you're right. A lot of people are, you know,
that chart that you showed me getting tired of this and they

(01:16:58):
want to get in things that are going to last longer than a week
or two. And you know, we've been saying
that for months, it seems like, but it seems like it's finally
becoming true. Like you can say that you can
say, oh, people are getting tired of it.
People are getting tired and in people were not getting tired of
it. Like this had been going on for
quite a while and I think we're finally reaching that level

(01:17:21):
where people want to get into real brands and projects.
I think maybe the time like playtime is kind of reached an end
and you're not really going to be able to pump like you did
back in the day. I think each cycle it's changing
and changing. Like in 2017, you could have
changed your website logo and pumped like 200%.

(01:17:43):
That's how crazy it was in 2017.So the bar keeps getting raised
higher and higher and higher, which is good, which is good.
And you need that to weed out everything else.
And people are going to see it getting harder and harder to be
an established project. And maybe, you know, just start
investing in those like actual stocks, like like on the stock

(01:18:06):
market. This is looks like it's kind of
turning into the real stock market.
Or do what? It it's, I thought I was, I
thought I I lost you there for asecond, but I did not.
It seemed like in some ways rektpeople are not reacting as much
to the things that they used to react to.
Yep, they're not. It's like they don't care

(01:18:27):
anymore about about these. Like oh, Elon said APU, Elon
said whatever. Like no one gives a shit.
I give you a great example of this, Brett Coin listed on
Binance US pumped 1%, pumped 1% and.
Why do you think that? Is that that in particular?
Because I, I've heard, I'm sorry, I'm trying to find my

(01:18:48):
phone. It's like going off and I have
no idea where I put it, but people, people seem to be almost
bearish about the listings now. Why do you think that is?
Exchanges, I mean exchanges havealways really kind of been
bearish, honestly, because they take a lot of your token supply
and it end up it ends up gettingsent back to to uniswap pretty

(01:19:09):
much are just dumped on the openmarket.
And it's just been like this ongoing scam where it you know,
there are good exchanges. There's like actual tier ones.
I think I'm I saw David mention that earlier in the stream too,
like your, your Robin Hood, you Coinbase, but the list is
getting a lot smaller. There was a lot of tier twos and

(01:19:31):
threes that were extracting froma lot of people.
People thought these we're bullish exchange listings and
now things like moon shot, whichis why I'm so bullish on moon
shot is because people can just buy things straight off their
phone off the app now so they have more access.
It's not as hard to get on Uniswap and swap anymore because
you have these apps that are doing it for you automatically,

(01:19:51):
like base base app where you canjust, you know, load up your
credit card and then just type in app who and it's going to pop
up and you're going to swipe it and you just.
Or just, you know, swap it or whatever and get your coins.
It's you don't need these exchanges anymore.
You really don't like. And if people want to find the
coin and pump it, they're going to do it.

(01:20:13):
Even in 20, like I keep referencing 2021 like like safe
that coin, safe moon that went to I think plus billions they
have. They were listed on nothing like
no exchanges like they're in like fartcoin wasn't really
listed on any exchanges. So if people want to find your
coin, they're going to find it. I think exchanges are really,
really just cope. I really do like they're,

(01:20:35):
they're cool. They're really cool.
But if people really are bullishon your coin, they're going to
find it. It's going to be like, you know,
Black Friday, It's a madhouse. People are rushing to buy it.
How the hell do I bridge over tothis chain and buy this coin,
you know, things like that. But yeah, I, I just think we're
moving. I, I personally, I think it's

(01:20:56):
the right direction. Decentralized, no, no exchanges,
controlling a lot of your supply, messing with the chart
and stuff like that. Yeah, I, I, I like the way the
space is moving right now. I think as we move out of this,
this pump fun era, I think is what I'm going to call it.

(01:21:20):
Do you? I hope, I hope we're moving out
of the pump Fun era. I, I, I, I think so too.
I'll tell you what, for me, whathad me feeling like what was it?
Was it Michael Bury? Was that his name?
Yeah, 'cause when? I when I saw the listings start
to engagement farm. When I saw the exchanges, I

(01:21:46):
should say not the listings, theexchanges start to engagement
farm. I was like.
Yeah, I'm starting. Oh, that's bearish.
Yeah, I mean, I I saw that. I saw that that too.
They're all doing it. It's it's getting a little bit
crazier than I saw it. Yeah.
Yeah. Like.
What does that mean to you? I'm I'm just like, that's kind

(01:22:08):
of odd. Maybe my Michael Bury should be,
you know, channeling right there.
I don't know that is. I was like clicking through and
I was like, why? Why are they doing that?
Right, Right. Why are they doing that?
Yeah. And to me that that tells me
that we're to me, that was another indication of like, you

(01:22:29):
know, we're here. Well, when, when, when pancake
swap ended, we did enter a really big bull market.
I mean, not bull market, bear market, but there were other
catalysts that went into that too.
So. And by the way, I don't think
this means we're entering a bearmarket.
Just to be clear, I think what this means, and I'm not saying

(01:22:52):
you said that, I just want to beclear.
I just think this means a lot ofpeople are going to that this
game. People talk about price
discovery. We've been in coin discovery.
Coin discovery is coming to an end.
And and the other day, do you know crypto, crypto cow or
crypto cow? Not sure.
He does flip the stock market and he does the Oh yeah.

(01:23:15):
I see those pop up, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So he so he the other day when II share this with him to get his
thoughts and he goes hey, Blue and he sends me screenshots from
this. I think it's called Dune.
Yeah, Dune Analytics. Yeah, yeah.
And if you look at Dune analytics for new coins created

(01:23:35):
and if you look at Dune analytics from for new coins
graduated or bonded or whatever the word is.
Yeah. It looks like this.
In fact, we are already in the sort of the, the, the trench
here, the abyss, we're already in the abyssal region of this
chart for those metrics, but thechart looks exactly like this.

(01:23:57):
People, people aren't being fooled anymore.
That's the that's the, the thinglike they, they were running
like their, you know, their bundle scam.
Pump it, send it out to the coals, get, you know, like just
over and over and over for months.
But now people have kind of caught on to what they were
doing and you know, it's going to like the the jig is up.
It's over. Like, I don't don't know how

(01:24:19):
else they're going to have to move on to the next thing.
It was a thing with like, you know, when NFT season ended,
It's like crypto goes into like a bear market period.
Well, like, what's that mean? It's where strong men create.
Good times, good times. Create weak men, Weak men create
bear markets, you know, and that's like kind of what, you

(01:24:39):
know, is we're leading into right now, I hope not like a
bear market type deal. It's kind of different with
Bitcoin, you know, being pushed with these hedge funds and stuff
now. It's like an entirely different
environment now. But still, yeah, like the Dune
analytics, like the launch pads,you know, not, not a lot, not a
lot of people are participating as like they were.

(01:25:04):
I wanna it's, it's like when retailer, by the way, do you
think, do you think everyone keeps talking about a catalyst?
A catalyst. David was on the show last night
crying about the that we, we invite our family and our
friends into this space and thenthey just get destroyed.

(01:25:25):
We just, we destroy them. Wouldn't even tell my own mom to
buy anything space. That tells you a lot, you know,
Like, yeah. But.
The question is how does how do we fix that?
It's just it just takes smart people will like willingly
trying to make the space AA better place.

(01:25:47):
And like that's what the point Iwas trying to make with like
NFTS after the NFT crashed, everyone was wondering what was
going to be the next, the next thing.
You know, it's like you get these bull markets and then
everyone gets tired of NF TS andyou everyone got tired of BNB
and then Solana became like the next thing.
And then everyone gets tired of Solana.
It's like, you know, at some point it gets to like, you're

(01:26:10):
not fooling retail anymore. That's why is it is retail ever
coming back? Retail.
No, they see what you're doing. They remember from it like NF
TS. They're just like, well, I lost
a lot of money on the NF TS. I lost a lot of money on pump
fun. It's just become like a huge
extraction event like each time and you have these, these coins
that you know, they're not turning into the next doge.

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They're not turning in like to the next long like longevity
type coin. You know, it's just a lot of
retail is getting burned. And I don't, I don't know, there
was something that happened in 2021 to where so many people
turned on crypto. Like I think a lot of liberals
like turned on crypto. If I mean, if you don't remember

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back in 20/17/2018, like crypto was really like punk rock.
It was, you know, overthrow the banks.
We're going to stick it to the man, you know, Kryptos taking
over the US dollar. Screw everything, you know,
that, that type of deal. And then something happened and
I, I don't know what it was. It turned into maybe it was like
the Pepe meme and like Trump or something, but it turned into

(01:27:15):
like this really, you know, conservative deal.
And it got like this really bad rap with liberals And it that's
what frustrated me so much with like artists in in 2021, like
with NFTS, we always like, look,guys, we could finally make
money and they're like, this is like some conservative bullshit,
crypto bullshit. I was like, no, like what you

(01:27:36):
guys talking about, like artistsand they all these liberal arts
students could finally make money and they're like, no, it's
crypto, it's NFTS, it's bullshit.
And I think that was like a lot of the retail that was
interested in crypto in like 20/17/2018.
So I think crypto in general just needs to have like a full
on makeover to. Get Reformation.

(01:27:57):
Yeah, for retail to really come back, like it got politicized
like crazy, it really did. And I think that's a really big
problem with like crypto right now.
Like people aren't understandingit because they don't want to
understand it. Like look at the college campus.
I don't know if you saw that video where they were all
laughing at the guy giving a a Bitcoin speech in that college

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campus. Have you ever seen that video?
Like he was, it was like he graduated and he was doing like
a his little valedictorian speech or whatever.
And he was talking about Bitcoinand everybody in the stadium was
like booing, like this booing and like, Boo, like, screw this,
you know, Trump ass Bitcoin stuff.
You know, and I think Bitcoin atthe time was like 20 K during

(01:28:43):
that video. And I'm like, wow, if all those
people in that stadium, what about Bitcoin, they probably
would have been able to pay off all their their student loans.
So like, yeah, like you said, I think crypto needs a a facelift
or to get everybody to come backto crypto.
That's got my take on the whole deal.

(01:29:05):
I have two thoughts on that. The first one is how does that
happen? And the second is that I kind of
feel when I when I when I think about what am I doing with this
show, when I think about why we're doing this show, for me,
it's always been about making crypto a better place for

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everyone and trying to say, OK, let's agree.
You know, this is going to get really political and really
nerdy, but that's my education. So that's what I know.
Woodrow Wilson in the late. I feel like it was the late
1800s. It was either the late 1800s or

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the very It had to have been. It had to have been very, very
late 1800s. He wrote an essay called The
State of Administrative Affairs,I think, or The Art of
Administration. That's maybe what it was called.
He wrote some essay and as earlyas the 1800s he basically said

(01:30:11):
we have just spent the last the better part of the last century
or the last or almost the betterpart of the past two centuries
thinking. Of what?
Is government, He says the challenge of the next two
centuries will be how to govern,how to government.

(01:30:35):
He doesn't say it like that. I'm I'm paraphrasing.
Paraphrasing, but he he then conceptualizes the modern
governmental administration or or agency rather.
And at the time, the words he used to are almost a one for

(01:31:00):
one, what Elon Musk created withDoge with the Department of
Government efficiency. It in fact, when Woodrow Wilson
imagined and he in in many ways,he's the grandfather of the
modern governmental agency. He he created this, he laid the,
the founder or the founder, the foundation or groundwork and not
both of those things. He laid down the foundation for

(01:31:21):
that. And he says that it needs to be
we have he, he, he, he goes, he goes on for and on and on.
But he says we need to make government more businessmanlike
and less unbusinessmanlike. He says we need to make this
more efficient. We need to be more commercial in
our thinking. And, and I say all this to say

(01:31:45):
this really long tangent, to saythat I think crypto has spent
the last better part of the lasttwo decades thinking about what
is crypto. And I think much like the United
States in the 1800s, I think thechallenge now the next, the next
frontier is how to crypto. And I think that's happening not

(01:32:09):
just as we're seeing institutions tokenize, as we're
seeing the stablecoin frenzy, aswe're seeing regulation, but I
think also on a meta level and on an introspective level or an
internal level, we're seeing theindustry itself be confronted

(01:32:29):
with questions of how are we really going to do this?
Are we, are we going down the road of, you know, release and
rug? Are we, do we need to have a
brand? Does it need to be a company
coin? You know, do we have to turn
into a corporation? How's like we're essentially
going back to what we strayed away from almost like it's like,

(01:32:54):
so it's like we were starting off as like this punk rock
entity where we're, you know, down with the system and now
we're integrating into the system type deal like now, you
know, tokenize the stock market.And so we've just become the
stock market and Yep. I mean, the United, the United

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States, for example, started as a rebellion from tyrannical and
overreaching government and was punk rock and very rebellious
and cool and new and innovative,and then turned into one of the
biggest, most tyrannical governmental institutions.
I think about that all the time and I, I, I worry that's what,

(01:33:39):
you know, the path of Bitcoin. A lot of Maxis have thought that
too. I know you know, there's more
than a couple that have thought that, you know, you become the
monster that you were fighting against all because of greed,
and now BlackRock owns your whole supply or it's going to
own your whole supply. But you know that.

(01:34:00):
But the problem is, you see, I think it's a pattern.
So we're going to, this is goingto get a little philosophical, I
think. I think it's a pattern that we
see in all things because it's, it's actually, it is trajectory.
So I think that if, for example,I love libertarians, I think

(01:34:20):
they're hilarious. OK.
And not just the libertarians, the, the, the anarchists
specifically. I think any libertarian is
someone who doesn't want to say they're an anarchist.
And I think any anarchist is someone who's too afraid to say
they are, they're actually a dictator.
And, and the reason why I say that is that you cannot, you
have to enforce anarchy. And to enforce anarchy, you need

(01:34:41):
a monopoly of power, right? And or what you're saying is the
real hierarchy will be that of might makes, right?
So what? So if you want to, when you get
to the whole like what, what ends up happening is if you're a
successful rebellion or a successful movement, you get to
the point where the movement nowneeds to protect itself, that it

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needs to maintain its integrity,its structural integrity.
And so it has to go through a process of metamorphosis that is
almost, it's identical wherever it presents itself, wherever
something succeeds this way and it grows and it wants to
establish dominance, it does thesame thing.
And everywhere, by the way, thissame pattern, as you can say

(01:35:24):
with Apple as a company with theiPhone, I mean, the patterns are
everywhere. And so you get to the point
where, OK, you've, you've succeeded.
You have sort of overthrown the the the previous regime, so to
speak, and now you need to protect your own status and by
protect it, you're either going to protect it on a on a

(01:35:48):
existential level by saying, OK,I need to hold on me, love you
Rex, shout me out so I can sleeptonight, says Green.
Shout out to Green, clipped on. You're, you're either, you're
either going to defend it by becoming an institution so that

(01:36:12):
you have the means to defend it from the same thing happening to
you, or you succeed so thoroughly that you kind of
sterilize the the ground that used to be the fertile ground
for innovation, right? So it's like you need to succeed

(01:36:34):
enough to make a difference, butnot succeed so much that you
kill off all other innovation. Otherwise, what happens is
everyone comes in to try and optimize and optimize and
optimize and make it efficient and streamline.
And that's what we've seen happen, right?
Transaction times, all these other things.
How do we make the, how do we streamline, streamline,
streamline, optimize, launch a new coin, layer two, layer 8.

(01:36:58):
And then, and then it's like we've reached the outer stretch
of all that can be and then boom, it falls.
And then it's like, OK, now there's another, there's a sort
of another opportunity for innovation and growth.
And this cycle isn't just present in regimes and in
institutions, republics, countries.

(01:37:18):
It's not just present in company, in actual companies.
It's, it's also in the markets, It's everywhere.
And so I, I don't think, I don'tthink we can escape it.
And I've been talking for a longtime.
So I want to get your thoughts on that.
I mean it essentially goes back to the meme.
It's like strong men create goodtimes, good times create weak
men. It's just like you live long

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enough to see yourself become the villain type.
Dill, if I can reference Bitcoininto like, I'm going to dumb it
down a lot like go to WWE. You know, it's really easy to be
a heel character. And then when the character
turns into a face like the good guy, you know, it's very hard to
maintain that that face or like the good guy character to the

(01:38:01):
crowd, because after a while people get tired of you and
then, you know, they want to seea new face.
It's like, it's just like that with every area, like you said
in like history, like people want to overthrow things like or
because or power will corrupt. And I feel like I don't, I'm not
going to be like bearish on Bitcoin or anything right now.

(01:38:21):
I'm just, I don't know. I'll just leave it.
I'm just going to leave it at that.
Well, I. Mean, say, say, I don't mind
being. I'll be bearish on Bitcoin for
you. I I like, I like Ethereum.
That's all I'm going to say. Like I love.
Ethereum. Ethereum.
Love Ethereum? Bitcoin's cool, man.
It's a It's a store of value. It's what it does.

(01:38:46):
Yep, Do you what it? Does you know?
Murad said. I think I should get a PhD on
Muradology. I've, I have read and and
watched almost every piece of media he's created.
And so I, I'm sharing that with you just because I don't know
who else to tell. And if I tell someone not in

(01:39:09):
crypto, they'd look at me and belike who?
Yeah. But what are you talking?
There's only so many people you can tell this stuff to like it's
just they and they won't look atyou like you're speaking crazy.
But in 20, yeah, in 2019, he wason a podcast with some guy,
don't remember the guy's name, and he said that there are three

(01:39:30):
ways to think of Bitcoin. The first two ways, the first
one he said was store of value, second one was medium of
exchange. And the third one, I don't
remember what it was, but it wasthe one that he liked.
And he said that the first two are the most outrageous and
flawed concepts of Bitcoin. He said that in 20/20/19 ish.

(01:39:54):
What was the first? What was the first one again?
What was it? Store of value.
Store of value. Oh yeah, I mean.
Medium of exchange. They've yeah, exactly like the
the whole they had, they've had to pivot like so much just to
keep the I guess the I don't want to say the scam going or

(01:40:14):
just like the number go up by like they've had to be a
chameleon basically. Oh well, it's not, you know,
it's too slow now. There's other coins that are
Ethereum does it faster, you know, Solana does it faster.
Now when there's another coin that came out that's doing
Litecoin came out it it's doing faster transactions.
It can't really, you know, it's going to be better than you if

(01:40:35):
you want to use it as a payment system.
So now we're just a store of value.
We're hard money. It did transition into that.
I think that is what happened with the the first fork, Bitcoin
Cash. Bitcoin Cash was one of the
first forks of Bitcoin. That was a big deal back in the

(01:40:56):
day where they they forked Bitcoin because they had
different views or like, no, this isn't a store of value
thing. We're going to use this as like
currency. We believe this is we're going
to use Bitcoin for its intended purpose.
So I don't know if you did any research on that back.
It's pretty interesting if you go back and check that out, If
you go back and look at the the Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash fork,

(01:41:17):
it kind of goes over what you'retalking about right there with
those those types of values thatthey feel Bitcoin should
represent. Well, but he says, so it's
interesting that you say that it's a store, it's a store of
value because I think that that's what it is too.
But I also hear Murad going, yeah, that's the that's not it.

(01:41:38):
And so and so I, I don't think he's saying that's not it
because it's not really what he's saying.
What he's saying is that that's actually the least the least
accurate. Accurate from its intended
purpose? Like it?
I think it's. I mean, that's pretty damn good.
I mean, it has over the past, you know, decade or so.

(01:41:59):
I mean, it's better than the US dollar, that's for sure.
Hey, hey, that's true. I think he I think he says this
because for his thesis, you know, it's funny, he positions
and I'm going to talk to him about this next week.
He positions exactly one week from today, by the way, he
positions himself and his whole thesis as the anti nihilist

(01:42:21):
view. The problem though, that I'm
that I'm as I'm running it againand again, logically in my brain
is that you cannot do that if your starting point isn't
financial and just nihilism in general, financial nihilism and
all kinds of nihilism, because his, his is the third view that
he that he says is the correct view is that Bitcoins is just a

(01:42:44):
meme, that Bitcoins a meme like any other, that these are
actually all memes, right? And and that's, and that's
actually what Bitcoin is. And, and in his opinion, the
ultimate meme. Just the biggest cult,
basically. That, that one.
Yeah, I don't know. With his take 2 is like his view

(01:43:06):
is kind of like, you know, society sucks.
So This is why meme coins are going to win.
Like, that's what I get a lot from it as well.
Like he's just like every. Oh, there's a breaking news in
the chat. Yeah, everything.
Is a meme. Everything is a meme.
That's exactly what Murad says. It's these are all memes.
Yeah, that's the only thing likeit with this.

(01:43:27):
I mean, he's right about that. He's right about a lot of
things. It's just like, you know, he's
posting charts of, you know, male virginity and everything
like that. He's basically, yeah.
He's like on this saddest, you know, depression type deal where
he's just like, you know, everything sucks, the world
sucks, you're all going to die, so you might as well get in a

(01:43:48):
meme coin. Yeah.
Buy my coins, buy my bags. Life is so bad it can't possibly
get worse by my coin. Yeah, that's my whole.
That's my sell pitch, guys. How could it hurt you?
Know. Yeah, how could it hurt?
the US dollar is going to zero. You're not going to get a
girlfriend, you're not going to get married, you're not going to
get a house, you're not going toget a car.

(01:44:11):
You're not going to be able to pay your bills by my coin.
That's the that's it. That's the that's the pitch.
Why do you think? What do you?
What do you? What do?
You. I just.
Like, yeah, man. Oh cool.
It is better let's buy it his ifyou, if you look at it like from
a certain angle, the the argument really is he goes, he
goes, yeah, shit is so bad rightnow.

(01:44:34):
How much worse could it get if you bought my coin?
You know, that's really what he's saying.
Oh, I got it. So basically basically
everything is going to go to 0. You're you're not going to get
married, you're not going to have a girlfriend, you're
probably never going to have sexagain.
Honestly, you might as well justput your job.

(01:44:55):
AI is taking over, everything isgoing to go to 0.
You should probably look at SPX because it's going to flip stock
market by my coin. I love that.
That's amazing. And so the the part that I
there's sort of this implied. There you go.

(01:45:15):
OK, we're back. There's a there's this implic,
there's this like, you know, he says, I don't know, I go, but I
go back and forth in my head between he is either, you know
who else I feel this way about? I feel this way about Zeno.
You. You he is.
Either one of the most brilliantpeople I've ever met, or
completely insane. Or completely insane.

(01:45:42):
I think probably a little bit ofa little you got to, I mean, one
to be in the space 24/7 is is going to drive you, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I'm saying. But you know it.
It is a good. He's not.
He's not wrong. It's just.
No, he's not. That's the crazy part.
It's just a very dark take. I think it's just a very dark
thesis. Like when you really look at it,

(01:46:03):
it's like we're not going to be able to fix all this.
AI is taking over. They won.
You're not going to have sex buymy coin.
The girls are going to be fucking robots.
You're not going to be able to compare.
If you want to make it, you wantto eat food.
If you want to continue to buy DoorDash, you're going to have

(01:46:24):
to buy this coin. Like, it's just a very dark
take. I don't know.
And it assumes here's and here'sthe thing.
So Murad and I are like, by his own admission, that's 75
percent, 75 to 80% aligned. That's like that's where we are.
But we're we're on the same pagemost, most of the time, a great
majority of the time where we disagree is exactly there.

(01:46:47):
I don't think young men will never have sex again.
And, and I also think, and what I really diverge is when he
describes the Neo religion, I don't think, Oh my God, hold on
one second. Oh, the religious stuff.
OK, yeah. Where he's like, you know.

(01:47:09):
Yeah, he look well, he was like we're like UN unbundling God or
whatever or unbundling religion.Oh God, now.
When I had him on the show the first time, I had him sort of
colouring the lines a little bitmore, you know, about what that
meant. And, and he, he clarified that

(01:47:35):
it wasn't necessarily about replacing God, but just creating
a new environment for people to experience religion.
Now I don't know. Cult.
Right, but I but well, no, no, no, but but, but I also don't
know what that really means. I'm sure David Koresh, you know,

(01:47:57):
we heard some of those things inWaco, TX as well, you know,
Charles Manson. No, but I don't.
Like, but I don't, I don't think, no.
Christianity was a bundled scam by my coin.
But God is dead. So by my coin, no, no.
But that's not what he's saying though, right?
That's not what he's saying he'ssaying.

(01:48:18):
And look, it's his credit. He's the numbers are there to
support what he's saying, which is that people are going to
church less and less. People are affiliating with
religion less and less. He's not wrong.
He's not wrong, that's what I'm saying.
Like he's not wrong. It's just, it's a sad, you know,
it's sad. That's why it's, you know,
that's why I keep saying it's a dark thesis because it's sad.

(01:48:41):
Like it's honestly the whole reason I got into, you know,
crypto in the 1st place is kind of based off that thesis.
Because I saw the world going shit.
Like I saw the US dollar. I saw, you know, college degrees
becoming scams. Like if you're not going to
college for something that is actually, you know, lawyer,
engineer or anything, it's not like it was in the 50s, sixties,

(01:49:02):
70s. Like I was lucky enough to have
a switch set off. And, you know, 2015, 2016.
There was like, Hey, I need to get off this, this, this normie
US dollarship because I see where I'm going to be 50 years
from now. I'm going to be, you know,
outside on a, a corner somewherewith the damn guitar asking for

(01:49:26):
some change with the AI robots fucking women in front of me.
So I was like, I got to get out.And so that's why the thesis is
so crazy, because it's true. It's all true, all of it.
Why do you think it's? It's remarkably simple, but it's

(01:49:49):
yet it's so, it's so complex. And I think when I, when I, when
you, then I want to ask him a question.
I want to ask him if you're wrong, why?
And, and the only thing I can think of, and I don't think if
he's, by the way, if he's wrong,I don't think it's by much.
I don't think he's off by much. I think the core of the thesis

(01:50:11):
survives, but I just think that that it's not going to be that
bad because I have faith that people are people are gonna
reject this. I see religion coming back.
I do, I, I I when I say that I don't.
Yeah, Well, no, I when I say that, I don't mean I see it like

(01:50:31):
conceptually in the future. I mean, I'm seeing it.
I'm literally with my very own eyes seeing more and more young
people at the synagogue that I go to.
Right it. Makes sense.
I mean, people are like, it's like, you know, Sodom and
Gomorrah out here right now likeit's 8.
Like look at what's it little Tay.

(01:50:51):
Little Tay just did an only fans.
She just turned 18 and she made $3,000,000 tell.
Me more about that. What is that about?
I don't know anything about thisstory.
I just thought what would poppedup on my timeline about it.
It's like, well, little Tay, shewas just like a young female
rapper. She was like 1314.
She made a lot of viral video clips when she was just like a

(01:51:12):
young girl. She was just, it was funny to
see like this young girl just rapping really obscene things
and going viral. And, you know, people have kind
of followed her for a while. It was like with the bad, bad
baby, bad Barbie. What's her name?
I, I don't even know. But she turned 18 and it's
pretty, pretty gross, honestly, that she made like 3-4 million

(01:51:35):
right after that. And someone made a good point.
They were like, you know, if shedidn't take these pictures
after, you know, 12 O1 midnight,technically she's still 17 and
those pictures on her own eventsand everybody is getting
arrested right now. And and like you said, so with
the world being in that type of situation and you know, Murad

(01:52:00):
being right about essentially everything, I could see a lot of
people, like you said, returningto you got to return to God.
It's like the South Park episode, the the their latest
one where they're letting Jesus back into the schools because
everything's so fucked up. They're like, no, we're letting
Jesus back into the school and and Cartman or who, who was it?

(01:52:22):
They're like they're like, why? Or Stan, he's like, why is Jesus
in the school? He's not supposed to be here.
And Jesus is like, what? I can't be in the school?
Why can't I be in the school? And Stan's like, well, you're
just not supposed to be. And then like the principal's
like, well, things are just kindof really screwed up right now.
So we need Jesus back. He's like, OK man, whatever.
So it's literally South Park is already picked up on that too.

(01:52:44):
You got to put he's back in. It's true.
And and I realization I came to a few, well, not too long ago
was, you know, I went through myown sort of experience with
atheism and, and being agnostic and whatnot.
And I was like, I got to the point where I just felt
miserable. I was like, this is a miserable

(01:53:04):
existence. And I decided that even if God
wasn't real, I, I'm better off living as though he was.
And then from that, somehow thatgot me to actually, no, I, I do
believe like that, that noticinghow profoundly better life was
kind of faking it made me reallygenuinely believe and like that.

(01:53:27):
Whole circle 100. Percent, 100%.
And I see more people going through that.
By the way, I don't think I'm unique in this regard.
I think the way the world's going, more people might have
those full circle moments too. They're like, well, maybe I
should give this another try because obviously something's
off right now. But it's not just saying that

(01:53:50):
because like every generation says that like, no, something is
actually off right now. And whether that's just because
of social media, the Internet, there are a lot of graphs out
there where, you know, things that morality seems to start
rugging around the birth of the Internet to like 2021, like not

(01:54:11):
2021, like 2001, jeez, getting old, 2001, 2002, stuff like
that. That's where I think the male,
like, you know, you're not having sex anymore.
I think that's where that graph starts going down.
Or what all Murad started posting, I don't know, around
2000 when the Internet hit, all the girls saw all the guys and

(01:54:33):
like, well, I don't want to get with this guy in my local town.
I'm going to get flown out to Miami.
I always thought that was a meme, was that really happening?
What, People getting flown out? Yeah.
Oh yeah. Wow.
That happens. Really.
That's why the the virgin scale is pumping.

(01:54:56):
You know, everybody's wearing the Giga Chad PFPS, but then you
know they look like Earthworm Jim behind the PFP.
They're they're just trying to be the gig of Chad.
Before you're getting flown out,though.
It's crazy. It's crazy.
And wow, I didn't. I thought that was a joke.

(01:55:18):
No, that's. For real, I've been so you know,
I went from, I went from undergrad to law school.
My my fourth year of undergrad was my first year of law school
So I just went right in. And you can't really have a
relationship in law school. Just not possible unless you
knew the person before or they are also in law school.

(01:55:39):
You just don't really see it happening.
Relationships in in college to just don't even try.
It's just like, I mean, you can,it's tough.
That's going to be tough, man. Generally speaking, it's tough,
but like when you go into any kind of master's program, if you
forget about it, just forget about it and so and so.

(01:56:00):
Shouting, knocking on your door at 2:00 AM like why don't you
talk to me anymore? I.
Just, I just didn't, I didn't, Ididn't celebrate a birthday for
three years, you know, I didn't,I didn't celebrate a birthday.
I didn't take vacations. I didn't.
And even now working, you know, I work as an attorney during the
day. I'm Blue APU at night.
I haven't had a weekend to myself in 76 days.

(01:56:23):
So it's, you know, but I guess what I'm saying, what I'm
getting at is I never really kind of engaged with this side
of culture. And I think I didn't, I just,
and I didn't care. I was like so focused on my
development as a, as a person, as a creator, as whatever.

(01:56:45):
And it was when I turned 25 almost, you know, we're
approaching, I'm almost 26. When I turned 25 I went you know
when like the camera zooms in but is moving backwards at the
same time. Yeah.
It's like there's an effect thathappens.
It looks like when when if you ever seen Lion King.
Crane shot. It's crane shot.
Maybe, yeah, but so if you ever seen Lion King, when baby Simba

(01:57:07):
sees the wildebeest and they recreate that effect in
animation. Yeah, it's like a zoom out crane
shot. Exactly.
It's a zoom out pan in kind of thing.
And it it, it creates a very distorting like, like the, the,
the character feels very like isolated.
And so when I turned 25, all of a sudden I went whoa.

(01:57:32):
I was like, holy shit, I'm pushing 30.
Yep, and that's the 25 vibe. I remember that, I remember
that. I was like, I'm basically 30,
I'm pretty much dead and. You think that now, but just
you. I'm telling you, I'm glad you
said that because are you 30 yet?
I'm 25. You're 25.
Oh my gosh, you are. So let me tell you right now,

(01:57:54):
you are so young. Just do not even work even.
OK, so and then when you turn 30, you're going to have this
cope come in and you're like, OK, I'm 30, but it 30 feels
younger than 25. And I cannot explain it, but it
it's true because then you're like you countdown, you start
counting down from 30 to 40 again.
And then it's like a whole new vibe.

(01:58:15):
So you feel a little older, but you're like, oh, no, we just
reset the clock. We're we're back, baby.
We're we're so back. It's 30 now, on the road to 40.
Right, right. So it's like, it's like, I get
it when I heard that 30s are like, you know, let's I
actually, I know a 30 year old that I think we can bring in for
the the panel. I, I, I know you don't have too
much time left. I'm straight.

(01:58:36):
I don't know, but the, the, I don't feel like I, I was in a
moment of panic when I turned 25.
I was like, Oh my God, like I'm dead.
I'm basically. Dead.
And and I'm like, and I'm singleand I'm houseless.
And when I turned 25, I hadn't even I had taken the bar, but I
hadn't passed it yet. You're so ahead.

(01:58:57):
You're doing so damn good, bro. I'm telling you right now,
you're good. I don't.
Know if it's not where, not fromwhere I'm sitting.
And so and so they go, oh, he says you're you, you are in bla
poo and you do the lawyering on the side.
That's so funny. Yeah, lawyering is my side gig.
That's crazy. Lawyers side quest.
I mean, I put it, I put in aboutthe same.
I do 40 hours of each. Yeah, I do 40 hours of that and

(01:59:20):
40 hours of this a week pretty much.
You're in very good hands. I think just I don't how are you
found the APU community? You're in very good hands
because like it's coming from like the same area where like
the Bobo's come from. I mean, it's just that four 4
Chan like that, like this based community.
Like it's not even really 4 Chananymore because like when you
went on 4 Chan and you saw what it's turned into the people like

(01:59:42):
the community is kind of like left and like we're just APU's
and Bobo's now like chilling on X.
But yeah, continue. I'm not just I'm just saying
that like, but then some guys, you know, like like like what
you just said. I spoke with some senior
citizens with David, for example, and listen, that man

(02:00:03):
makes fun of me in almost every single one.
His lightly recast. So I feel like I have the right
to to throw shit his way. But no, so he see, you know, and
they're like, bro, chill, you'reOK, like you're OK.
And so I've calmed down a littlebit.
And I'm like, yo, you're right, like I am OK, I do have, I do
have time and. Oh yeah, you do trust me, man 25

(02:00:27):
Oh, I wish I was 25. Dude, I'm turning 26 in 11 days.
I mean, it's like a it's like that.
It's like it's nothing. It's.
I didn't OK be careful what you you wish for with like the you
know, the kids and the family too It'll.
Just I want 5 kids. Like, well, don't.
I want 5. I turned I turned 30 and it just

(02:00:52):
the health it fucking exploded. Like just going to leave it at
that. Like it just everything came.
Everything came in once, no pun intended.
Yeah, let's let's get specific because this is getting it.
Just did you have? Do you do you have kids?
Yes, yeah, I guess, OK. Do what would you get like

(02:01:14):
triplets? Like what happened?
You hit the line. Might as well have been.
Wow. And so what's what was that like
for you becoming a father? Man, man, I mean, if we get into
like the past, man, my story's pretty wild.
Like that whole thing. I mean, I mean, I was really big

(02:01:36):
into like music and like music production and then.
Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait.
OK, so this I've had a theory. Is the music that you play in
your stream, is it yours? Did you produce those?
On which ones? The ones you could really have
in the. Background.
No, not the piano, no no. I have used some instrumentals
as like intros and stuff like that.
People probably didn't know, so I've.

(02:01:58):
Guessed. I've guessed that.
OK, go ahead. Without the risk of like doxing
myself and stuff like that, I can say I was just like, OK, let
me, I'm, I have to figure a way to put all this.
So I did. I was in like, metal bands and
like punk rock bands very, like early on.
And, you know, it's very hard tokeep those bands together.
Like bands suck. And so usually what happens is

(02:02:21):
they all break up and then people will do like, their solo
stuff. So I started making rap beats,
rap beats, and I actually got pretty good at it.
And I did a lot of work for, youknow, big artists and stuff like
that. I ended up, you know, going to

(02:02:42):
let me see where I can say I'm trying not to, you know, docs
myself. I I was working before when I
stopped. Let's just Fast forward all
that. When I stopped, I was working
with a Young Dolph before he passed away, which sucked.
And then I don't know anybody inthe South like Paul Wall and
little Flip and all these, all these other rappers.

(02:03:04):
But anyway, life hit at 30 and you know, I had kind of been
semi successful and like music production and stuff like that.
And I saw like the, you know, you work so hard just to get to
the starting line and stuff likethat.
And I saw like it really wasn't what I thought was going to be
like. And you know, even like the big

(02:03:26):
artist will tell you that like, you know, the Kanye West or, you
know, people that are work went that path in music production.
They're like, I get here and basically you have to just work
for a bunch of people that tell you what to do and you don't
make a lot of money and you can't really be your own boss.
You're just like, that's, that'sthe the thing about, you know,
music production, you're just working for everybody else and

(02:03:49):
they tell you what to do. Make me this, make me that.
And I was like, this sucks because usually you put out like
instrumentals and stuff like that and someone might say
they're going to use it and thenthey don't use it on their album
or something for like 6-7 monthsdown the line.
And I'm like, I got kids now this sucks.
I need to figure something out. So transition into what was it

(02:04:10):
around like 2020, I made the decision to go like more full
time into crypto and look at, well, I'm trying, I'm going off
on a tangent again. If you want to bring me back
into it, where was I? Where was I going?
Just. When you became a father.
OK. When I became a father, OK, so
yeah, then I started going more full time into crypto after I

(02:04:33):
had kids and stuff like that. But I was just kind of like the
dude making rap beats in his in his 20s and then thirty hit.
So I'm just telling you I was making rap beats.
So you're doing you're a lawyer,a lawyer though that I'm saying
it still. Happens.
That just means I'm going to bald faster, that's what.
That means no. It means when you turn 30, it
doesn't matter what you're doingwhen 30 happens, just kids just
going to be exploding out everywhere.

(02:04:54):
So just be careful. OK, I want to.
I I don't know what that means. It scares me a little bit.
I didn't even know my my wife like really or well, I knew her,
but at the time she wasn't really around.
And then, you know, she came knocking on the door and I was
like, it's time. I was like, what do you mean
it's time? That's how you told me you were
going to do the show, by the way, That's that's exactly how

(02:05:17):
you were like. Those are those are the exact
words that you used. You went blue.
It's time. That's exactly what you did.
It's funny, but like me and me and my wife, like we always we
were, it was kind of it was legit like a love at first sight
type deal. We've known each other for a
really long time and we've just kind we like tried to ignore it.
I get I don't know what it was like in her 20s.

(02:05:39):
Like, you know, shit happens. You go off to college and you
know, you do you separate for a long time and then she just you
know, not no fucking no fucking lie.
She I'm just like, you know, laying there in my apartment and
I hear this knock on the door and it's her.
And I'm just like, what's up? And then we start, you know, and

(02:06:03):
then having kids and that was it.
Wow, wow. Yeah.
So I'm just saying, is there a girl out there is going to come
knock? And you know, just there's got
to be, Yep, she's coming. I don't know.
That Yep, that first I just saw you just thought of just thought
of her she's going to be like knocking you'll.

(02:06:26):
See, I don't know. I don't know.
I want to be, I want to be in the position to like.
What I don't want to do is tank.I don't want to rug my earning
potential. Yet I'm such.
Look at the way I'm speaking. I would have never spoken like
this if it weren't for APU. I feel like I'm on.

(02:06:50):
Long story short, I want to maximize my earning potential.
And once I have that locked in, then I think it's time.
I think a lot of people have kids when they're like still
establishing themselves professionally and then they're
kind of burning the candle at both ends.
And then and then they both kindof suffer a little bit.
And I think if I just wait a little bit longer.
That's exactly what happened with me and my family.

(02:07:13):
I don't know if maybe you're thesame way.
You know, a lot of people are like that.
They saw it play out like in their, in their real life, like
my parents, you know, divorced at a very early age because of
that really, they just couldn't really catch up to what was
going on. And so I mean, me personally in
my life, I was on my own at 16 because and like a lot of like

(02:07:34):
guardianship and everything likethat.
And that's why I kind of found music was like my solace this
before that, you know, crypto ever existed.
Memes and music were kind of like my my Getaway, you know,
with, you know, 4 Chan forums and, you know, just playing in
like those metal bands. And then it transitioned into
like making instrumentals and stuff like that.

(02:07:56):
But like you said, that's why I waited so long to have kids.
And I wouldn't have continued todo the music thing like if it
wasn't, you know, I saw it beingsemi successful, you know, like
getting like a publishing deal. I had a publishing deal with
Sony, Sony Records. And so yeah, that's why I was
like continuing to go with it. And everyone's kind of like

(02:08:17):
looking at me like the music guy, like, you know, he's going
to do it. You know he's, he's going to be
like music guy. And now I'm they have no idea
I'm I'm the Bobo guy. I just think I quit.
Music I want. He failed.
I want. Nobody in my life knows I I do
Bobo by the way, except my my wife and my mom.

(02:08:39):
People have stumbled across BlueAPU and Pontak and been like yo
bro what the fuck? And I was like, just, you know,
I want to bring in someone else who just finished defeating the
terrorists, which is what he calls his children just to to
talk about this subject. The one the only cryptic mod.
What's up dudes? Mod welcome.
Yeah, awesome stream, Brack. Nice to meet you man.

(02:09:01):
What's up? Dude that was crazy.
I haven't heard Young Dolph's name in a minute.
That dude that album 2020, what was it?
Rich Slave I think it was called.
Yeah, me or the person I was making beats with, I don't want
to dox myself, but they were making beats with band play and
he's not OK. I can.

(02:09:22):
I'm trying to think of him to dox myself.
He made the, he made the instrumental major.
That's who I was making beats with.
Yeah, he's and he's posting, youknow, on his Instagram now.
He's kind of, he doesn't know what I did.
I went off and did my own thing.Like if he saw me now, he'd be
laughing his ass off. But he's on Instagram going into
like schools and like Englewood and like Long Beach and like

(02:09:45):
showing them like these like kids like, hey, you can make it
out the trenches pretty much andgo in there and show him like
his plaques and stuff like that.But it's pretty cool.
I feel like Young Dolph had a great message like that too.
Like I remember that documentaryhe made, it was awesome.
Yeah, he he was awesome. Him it.
That's another thing that reallyturned me off with the music
thing because like it feels likeall my favorite rappers died at

(02:10:06):
once. Like I love like Nipsey Hussle,
I love Young Dolph. I thought Juice World and like X
were really innovative in their sound too.
And I was like, wow, I guess I'll just go to crypto.
That's crazy. I want.
To bring, I want to bring the conversation back to 2nd to, to
parenthood. Rex, you said that you just

(02:10:27):
weren't. You said be careful what you
wish for. Monge literally calls his
children terrorists, and you're not the only one that I've heard
do that. I've said that I want 55 kids
and people say why 5? It's a good question.
The answer is no, I want 4. But what if something happens to
one of them? You know?

(02:10:48):
So 5 I'll I won't tell them which of them is the spare.
They won't know. I think 3 is good.
I have 3. I grew up with three because
then you could define a a real hierarchy.
You know what I'm saying? You got 1-2 and three.
With two it's tough. You know, it gets split 5050.
But with three, it's like, no, you are the best, you are the

(02:11:09):
worst, and you in the middle, you have something to strive
for. You know you.
Well, so I'll, I'll tell you thetruth, I'm actually I'm actually
marauding my my my family planning.
So even if I don't hit, I actually I'd probably be very
happy with three. But if I tell my future wife
like hey, 5, and when I say 3, it's going to be like, hey,

(02:11:32):
that's not so bad, 5 was delusional, 3 is not so bad.
But if we start with three, we're going to end on like 1 and
a dog, you know what I mean? Yeah, so we need to just dude. 5
is 5 is a lot on the body too, like 5 is a lot like it's it's
tough to like, you know, 3 is a lot too.
So it that you have to maybe take that into account too.

(02:11:53):
I don't know. It depends on a lot of things
can go wrong in pregnancies too.That's like the thing they don't
tell you about like, like the first is the worst.
Like the first pregnant, like you're just like, everything can
go wrong. Like they don't tell you like
you get in the room and they're like, hey, did you know one out
of four pregnancies and then like a miscarriage and they're
like, oh, wow, that's, that's great.

(02:12:15):
I did not know that. So now I'm freaking out for
12-13 weeks. I was just recently.
Going to go back to this. Well, get it?
I wouldn't be able to shake that, but.
I was just recently one of the cases I handled this is probably
the biggest case I've handled this far in my life was for a
doctor. It was basically a story of a

(02:12:38):
baby being. Viewer discretion is advised.
The subjects we're about to discuss are going to be somewhat
graphic, so please, if you're made uneasy, don't don't listen
to this. It was for a, this baby was
decapitated during delivery by the doctor and I represented the
doctor that did the autopsy of, of that because that doctor was

(02:13:04):
then sued for publishing the autopsy that he did, but not he
didn't decapitate the baby, but that happened.
And so now I'm like, and I had to look at all the evidence.
So like I'm at the point where I'm, I'm like, you don't you
don't forget that, you know whatI mean?
Like that's something I'll I'll so it's like when people talk

(02:13:27):
about and I'm and I'm getting into like other medical
malpractice things. And so it's just like when
people say they don't know, you know, you, you don't
pregnancies, you know, anything can happen.
Yeah, I know. And, and I'll tell you what
else, the doctors, the doctors behave differently when you're a
lawyer and not in a good way. People will think in a good way.
It's not in a good way. They're terrified.
They're terrified to do anything.

(02:13:48):
And so that's been that's a concern of mine as well.
So, Rex, it sounded like you hadyour your first kid during COVID
too. Yeah.
Was it? Oh yeah.
How was that? I was in the city, bro.
I was in New York City, right? So like my son was born in NYU
Langone on the east side. Regular birth.

(02:14:09):
We were only allowed to stay for24 hours man.
If it was AC section it was 36 hours.
That's how like, insane it was. Yeah, it was crazy.
They weren't even going to let me in the room.
Like they were just, it was likeit was changing every day.
So I don't know. It was wild though.
Like they were just keeping us updated like every day on what

(02:14:31):
the new conditions were for, youknow, COVID, you know,
precautions or whatever. I was in there, but you know,
we're all masked up and everything like that.
It was just a wild time. So you had no visitors either,
right? Like your?
Your parents. Her parents.
Couldn't. Yeah.
In the same one person you know.One person and to look back on
it, it's so crazy, like just just wild at that time.

(02:14:56):
Dude, I was, I almost got kickedout of the hospital because it's
like, all right, you want to abide by this, that's fine.
At right after the birth, we gotput in a room with another with
another family that just had a baby.
So it's four of us in a tiny hospital room, and I go.
What are we doing? Yeah.
What are? We doing and it was so tight

(02:15:19):
that when any nurse came in, youknow how the nurses come in
every 20 minutes? It's insane.
They're they're always in and out and anytime they came in, I
had to physically get up to to leave the room.
So they had. Oh my.
Gosh, so after like 10 hours, like I thought it was a nurse.
Turns out it was the head doctor.
She comes in and is like kind oflike, it's like you need to get

(02:15:39):
up. And I was like, I need to get
up. How about we got our own fucking
room? Like how fucking retarded is to.
And I just start flipping out and she's a little bit like
walks outside and she's like just so you know, like I am the
head doctor and you can't talk to me like that.
And I was like. Oh, let me go.
Take a walk. Yeah, I'll be back.
Yeah. So that was that was wild.
Then my I moved upstate to like upstate New York like a couple

(02:16:03):
years later. And then my daughter was born up
here and it was just crazy how different it was.
And for a, a 20th of the cost, that's another thing they don't
tell you. You could have.
I had great insurance from the union.
My wife has great insurance because she works for a huge
company. And still somehow that that baby
cost $4500 in New York City. And then in upstate New York, my

(02:16:23):
daughter cost about 600 red on me, that one.
It's different Every every statehas their own.
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, red on me, that one.
And I was just like, how do likepoor people have babies if they
cost $4500 in the city? Like how does that how does that
work? Do they push it back in?
They're like, you got you got 45hunch.
No. Just another room for them.

(02:16:44):
Like just Oh my gosh. It's crazy though.
Like I'm blue. When it happens, it's just going
to be like the first one is this.
It's like the most wild experience.
Like it feels like you unlock a part of your brain that you
didn't know exists. Like it's, it feels like that.
Like it's crazy. And then like within six months

(02:17:07):
of this thing, this like weird thing happens where you forget
that you even like never had a kit, you know, like, you like
the memories, you go like, you just think they were there the
whole time. Like I, I can't explain it.
Like you can't even remember at times when they weren't there.
And you're like, shit, it's onlybeen six months and then they
get to 2. They call it the terrible twos
for a reason, I would imagine. I call it the Antifa stage,

(02:17:28):
where like, they don't know why,but they just want to wreck
everything. And if there's no real
explanation. And yeah, that's a fun one.
That's they could. Finally, move around and use
their vocal cords like a Godzilla and just terrorize, you
know, boys, you. Guys aren't selling me on this
you. Know, but we're just telling you
the bad side show. Me the ticker.

(02:17:51):
Here's here's another thing theydon't tell you.
You know, every kid is different.
Every. You think it's going to be the
same experience every time? No.
You know, every human is different.
Do you think about that? Yeah.
It happens. Yeah.
They all have their own personalities.
Get ready. And like the beginning is cool
when they can't move. Like I would be like, I would
like volunteer for a night shiftand I would just like play video

(02:18:13):
games. Kids just like laying there.
You can't move. You're like, I can do this.
This ain't bad. Get one of those little like
little donut type pillows. I know what you're talking
about. Whatever that thing is called,
The thing is a clutch saver. You call it clutch clutch pillow
cause your life will will changeso.

(02:18:34):
And it usually doesn't have it when you want it to blue.
Like I didn't plan on having it.It was the height of COVID.
It was like the worst time that it just happened.
And then, you know, like, sometimes you can't plan for
stuff, you know, like, you really, you could think you're
ready. Even if I thought I was ready,
it wouldn't have worked, you know?
Here is another one. He's got a couple fuck trophies
too. Yeah, right before the stream we

(02:18:54):
were waiting on Wreck to jump inand my kids are like literally
having a war in the other room and Blue's sitting here going
are are your kids like committing acts of violence on
themselves? And I was like, no, no, no, no,
they're not. That's not a hurt cry.
That's just a you took. My war cry.
Yeah, yeah, it's a war cry rightthere.

(02:19:17):
No, it's, it's, I feel like the one thing is like I recently I,
I was living with roommates before I moved out on my own,
you know, and I really like living alone.
It's a bit like there's a periodwhere you're like, what if I
like choke on something and die or like slip in the shower?
But that went away pretty quickly.

(02:19:39):
I still think about it sometimesand I'm just like, well, you
know, sell AV like that's, that's what it is.
Yeah. What if it's like?
Pulls up when I'm sleeping. Yeah.
What? Am I?
I'm not fighting. Come on the pump, fun twink.
I'm not doing it. It's not.
Happening. Is he the one with the missing
teeth? Yeah.
OK. They want me to fight him
wrecked. And he was, he was dissing you

(02:20:00):
about your looks, that guy. Here's what happened to put to
put to make it so succinct. I'm on a stream with Gainzy
cause Gainzy can't carry his ownstream.
Not my words, his words. Have you seen a clip of Gainzy's
stream recently? I've watched.
I've watched the. Have you seen any of the clips
with him in it? No, OK.

(02:20:21):
And he quite literally, he quiteliterally brings me on there
'cause he's like saved my streamand I love him, don't get me
wrong, but like, you know, the man, I've never met a man lazier
than him. And The thing is, I know.
And that's again, his words, notmine.
When when he, when he eventuallydecides to get off his ass, he's
gonna be like, you know, he'll, he'll, he'll, the game will be
his. I believe that.
But until such time as that happens, he continues to, to to

(02:20:46):
snooze. And anyway, so I come onto the
stream, you know, we have a bit of, we have like an agreement
that I come on every weekend, 2 days, you know, Sunday,
Saturdays and Sundays. I show up and I like how I said
I would make this succinct for the entirety of the discussion.
There's this guy sitting there with his headphones like this.

(02:21:09):
And and I'm just like, watch, I'm just looking at it and just
like, what the fuck, you know. And he's like not paying
attention to anything. And so at the very end I'm like,
wait, I think I know this guy. I think this is the guy who was
drinking and driving allegedly. But if this is don't ask me why
I have a salt shaker right here.But if if this is a bottle, he

(02:21:33):
wasn't he. He, he was.
Drinking and I'm I want to be careful because of how how I
mined this, because of how it's going to be edited.
But he wasn't holding it up likelike he wasn't holding it like
you would a, a drink. He was holding it like like
this, like covering the label. And then he was like, I'm
committing A felony for my coin.And I was looking at that and I

(02:21:56):
was going, that's a misdemeanor.And so anyway, so I so I
recognize him at the end and near the end of this video and I
go or the stream and I go wait Gainsy before you end the
stream, I have something for theguy who's wearing his headphones
like he's brain damaged now. Correct.
Mange Tim, am I proud of me saying that?

(02:22:19):
A little bit. I thought it was funny.
A little bit I thought it was funny.
I I didn't mean to call him brain damaged, although it that
would have been accurate too. It seems like from a medical
perspective, from a clinical perspective, but I'm not even
joking. But but he he he got really
angry that I said that. And he goes, he goes.

(02:22:40):
I got retards like you in my chat telling me, Yeah, exactly.
That's what. You're telling.
Me kind of he goes he goes telling me that it's not a
felony he goes but actually and then he tries to do something Oh
that's an adorable little bobo is that the no, that's not the
one is that the one you had at the beginning?

(02:23:01):
This one looks like a younger version I.
Don't know I have a like a whole.
Oh, OK. Plath roll of them.
I don't know this one. Looks like tiny.
So. I'm, I'm, I'm certain that.
OK, yeah, that's the one I'm used to.
So he says, so he's like starts to try to articulate something
resembling law. He's like, actually in the state
of California, it's not legal for you to have even one drop of

(02:23:25):
alcohol if you're under the age of 21, which is true, by the
way. They have a 0 tolerance policy.
But but it's not it goes. So it is a felony.
And I checked it and it didn't bother me that the
self-proclaimed meth head was wrong about the law because he
was wrong about that. What bothered me is that
everyone else in the stream and in the chat was like, you just
got Boed. And I'm like and I'm looking at

(02:23:47):
them like. Hyping them up.
Yeah, like what the? Fuck are you doing?
It's like. My favorite one, by the way.
It's my favorite one. Yeah, the the so anyway, so then
I had to make so then wrecked. I had to make a video explaining
what the law really was. That was my autism.
I was like, I can't do this. And then at the end, I didn't
say that he had small testicles.But what I did say was that a

(02:24:10):
2015 study shows that the loudest primates have the
smallest testicles. Oh my gosh, it was.
Oh wow. Anyway, so that's that's the
synopsis of the story and now everyone wants me to fight him.
Oh my gosh. Well, I've watched him do it.
He did. He was on that Aiden Ross stream
with Andrew Tate and he like boxed this dude and it was

(02:24:31):
hilarious and he got beat up andit would just be so funny.
Can you imagine I, I represent some, some people in some some
large cases currently. Can you imagine you're my client
in a, in a, in a, you know, and all of a sudden you go, hey,
blew it. Is this you dude?

(02:24:51):
And it's you knocking someone out and you just look at him and
you go, yes, yes it is. I'm about to be.
At it not a good crime. You know the the APU sponsors
this like fighting thing. I think it's called UNC or UNF.
I think they're bare knuckle bare.
Knuckle, well, it's bare knuckle, but there's it's an,
it's an, it's another thing called the UNF or.

(02:25:12):
The it's a whole another league.Right.
And so in in at some point I'm actually flying out to go
present the the award for this event and they're sending me in
the cardigan to go do this. So so can you.
We need a picture with you and Conor McGregor.

(02:25:33):
And just he was. If he like, shows up, he shows
up in the crowd and it's like one of those UFC moments.
He's like I'm. Going to get you, motherfucker.
He's like pointing at you and he's like people.
Holding you back. Trev does that if he signs a
waiver. Maybe I just really I genuine
and I've said this before, I I feel I'm almost tired of saying
it, but like, I genuinely feel like it's wrong to hit mentally

(02:25:54):
disabled people and so I, I don't know that he's cognitive.
I'm so serious though I'm not meaning it to.
Be mean self induced you. Know even if no, you don't get
to hit, you know, cognitively disabled people unless it's for
self-defense, but. What if they don't call
themselves cognitively cognitively disabled?
You don't. It doesn't matter what the
cognitively disabled call themselves.

(02:26:16):
Oh, I see dudes like that at thecorner store all the time.
Exactly. Sometimes you gotta push, move
around a little bit. Yeah, move around a.
Little bit. What's?
That trying to get out. Can you move?
Excuse. Me, Sir, Dude.
When I was at the the end of when I was leaving New York
City, I used to ride my bicycle to work like all over the place.

(02:26:38):
And for like 9 months I was going from Long Island City,
basically 59th St. on the east side of New York City all the
way to the Bronx. And I would see the craziest
shit. And one time I would always stop
at the same 711, you know, get some energy drinks.
And I pull up and there's like afew people, like, outside.
And it's like 5:30 in the morning, so there's never anyone

(02:27:00):
there. And I look in, what's going on?
And a homeless guy had, like, taken over the store.
Yeah, dude, he was, like in there, like, whole, like,
barricaded the door. And it was like, like, the odor
was in, like, whoever was working was in there with him.
And he's, like, yelling. He's like hell.
But I'm like, got back on my bike.

(02:27:23):
It was wild. At one point I had to stop
riding my bike because there wasso much glass on the roads
towards the Bronx that I kept getting flat tie.
There was no way around it, I just kept getting flat tie.
The Bronx is 1/3 world country, make no mistake.
Like it was I was, I was like past Yankee Stadium and it was
actually hilarious. So I was on a block where we

(02:27:45):
were building a foundation for acharter school, but the block
itself, I'm not kidding, was 8 like chop shops.
Like, I swear on my kids, I saw a guy get hit in the head with a
muffler in front of a muffler store.
And I was like, you can't, like,you can't make this up.
And I would just think, like, who's like, this school is
definitely not for any like, Americans, you know, like, it
must be like, like people from like, England, you know, I can

(02:28:07):
just imagine their kids, like, calling their parents like it.
It's everything's all fire, you know, like, what is this?
But yeah, Bronx is a wild place.Manj, I wanna, I wanna bring it
back to SPX for a minute. I I don't know why, but I
identify you as like the SPX guy, you and Cal.
I don't know if that's accurate though.
Is it? I mean, I definitely love SPXI

(02:28:29):
mean I'm part of their official podcast.
Yeah, no, I think yeah, I was dying when you guys were talking
about because it is it's dark. No, it's it was, but it's funny
because it is dark. But yeah, go ahead.
It's actually I wanted to touch on that for a.
Second, well, so so you know. Well, have fun with Part 2,
that's all I'm going to say. But part.

(02:28:49):
Someone said that. Someone said there goes Part 2.
Here's the thing. Here's usually people don't
understand about Murad, OK? I'll be all right, Murad.
Murad has been following me for a long time, too.
He knows like he's going to. Here's something they.
Don't understand about mum. OK, New name just dropped from
Murad. Here's what they don't get about
him. All right?
He doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, he doesn't care.

(02:29:11):
In fact, I even asked him. I was like, hey, are there any?
And I'm going to say this because it reflects very, very
well. And actually, I've never had
someone answer. I've actually never asked
someone this question really before.
I, I might have asked you reckedI don't remember.
I probably didn't. You can be honest if I did or
didn't, I can't remember, but I asked where I was like, hey, I,
I'm thinking because I, because it's Part 2, I don't want to

(02:29:35):
just do like a, you know, our first episode is very structured
and I had questions, whatever. And I want to kind of maintain
that same vein. It's going to be a lot looser
than it was first time around, alot a lot more fluid.
But I still want to kind of, I want him also to be prepared to
talk more about certain things that he might need some time to
like, OK, let's think about these things because I'm not

(02:29:55):
going to ask him these like simple what, when, how, where
kind of questions. It's going to be like these sort
of philosophical questions as well.
And so I said, is there anythingthat you'd prefer?
We don't, we we not talk about like, I'm not guaranteeing that
I won't, but just, you know, he goes, no, he goes everything is
for a game. And I'm like, OK, so you know,
and have you ever seen the man complain ever about anything?

(02:30:17):
Not in any group chats I'm in with them.
Or ever respond to like a hater.Like I wish I could be more like
him but like I see stupid shit and I'm like, you know, I can't.
I can't. I just can't.
Also, I mean, he's been through multiple cycles too.
He's probably pretty humbled. I mean, anybody that's been
here, that's why I say like anyone that's here in 2020 when

(02:30:37):
Bitcoin crashed to like 3K and everyone basically lost all
their money, everyone's kind of sitting on the timeline just
really humbled and we just kind of had to like laugh it off and
try to rebuild. So I mean, if he's, I think he
went through a lot of stuff to where he's just like, you know,
don't really care. He got his thesis and it's
working. It's awesome.

(02:30:58):
Yeah, and like the one thing about his thesis where I don't
know if it's because he's it's almost like he assumes the
people on crypto Twitter know italready because they do.
But it is dark, right? Like in the ways you guys are
explaining it, it was hilarious and it's true.
Like it is dark, but the other side of it is that that's that's
kind of what he's saying is to escape this.

(02:31:20):
Like they're still going to be humans that are good people that
are going to congregate. And that's what SPX is.
And I feel like that part of thethesis gets like lost in the
you're a virgin, you're poor, you know, like the girl you like
is going to get fucked by a robot.
But like, what he's really saying is because of all these
things, like, like, humans are going to come together and

(02:31:43):
they're going to come together here because you could monetize
these social networks, right? I really think that's like a
part of the thesis that kind of gets left out.
And you could see that in the community in the sense of, yeah,
like, all this shit, dude, of all the coins that I own that I
own, not that I own a bunch of them, but like, no one gets more
hate than SPX out of any coin inmy bag.

(02:32:04):
Like, I mean, it is continuous, just shit talk.
And they always answer with likepraying for your success.
Yeah, nobody gives less of a shit though than SPX.
And it's cuz it's top down, Matt, right?
Because a Morat it's all top down.
Like the Bobo community I'm sureis just funny like this because
wrecked is funny like this. You know what I'm saying?

(02:32:25):
It's all top down. It's how the you know, what you
want to call them, the leaders, like how they act is how it's
going to get reflected throughout the coin.
And he is always been like, you don't, you know, like peaceful
life over greed. You don't.
Our enemy is trad Phi, not thesepeople.
And you know, it just kind of gets passed down.
And then you guys have guys likeCao and Tans Cho and Matt Beck

(02:32:48):
and those are kind of like the generals in my opinion.
And they have the same ethos, right.
So it just gets passed right down through the through the
whole community. If you want to cook someone just
do an alt account. I wonder if Murad has like alts.
He's just cooking, people. He has a tons.
Of alts, yeah. 100 of them dude cow have cow does like
experiments where he'll just make an alt account and join

(02:33:11):
like one of the five coins that he owns.
He'll just join the community tolike test how the engagement is.
Which is wild right? I like struggle enough with my
one account. If I had like 4 accounts I'd
just be fried. My grand would be fried.
I have 4 alts but they're all APUS.
Does everybody have alt accounts?
Am I the only one? Just bra dog in my personal I'm

(02:33:33):
in. The alt I got like 3 bucks but I
never, I always forget to go on it and I always just go on to
like talk shit to KOLS, you know?
Yeah, but they don't see your posts because it's a new account
screaming into. The voice want to say so bad, so
I'll just go on there on my altar.
Be like you fucking suck you bitch.

(02:33:55):
I'm. Like yeah, the fucking feel.
Good meanwhile to see that comment they have to see like
post additional posts see additional.
Posts show possible spam. Like there's just one guy in my
comments that is just like I don't know if he likes me or
hates me. I think Tim muted him earlier
but or someone muted him wasn't me.
Someone was just like. Don't put that on me man, I

(02:34:18):
don't want I don't want mean comments in my personal only.
Someone did it. Someone.
If it wasn't mean, it wasn't you.
Oh, here it. Is.
LFG What happened? Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, I did not find the comments very appropriate
for the for the show because it's.
Incessant it was. It was disgusting.

(02:34:39):
So I just decided to help him find a way out.
It's like, it's like when someone's had too much to drink,
you know, like, all right, time for you to go.
See you tomorrow, Gary. No, but so so I mean, guess I, I
don't know. I brought this up just to say
that. Have you ever seen a fat person

(02:35:00):
get angry at someone calling them malnourished?
No. Right.
I don't think so, not. Specifically.
No, not No, I don't. Know so I think I've.
Never seen that. I've never seen that before
actually. Well, that's a good one.
That's a good one. I guess my point is yeah, yeah,
the the the point is, is that like calling me an idiot or, or,

(02:35:25):
or calling like I, it's like it's like call Bill Gates poor.
OK. He's gonna be like he will.
He'll literally go. It's not worth my time to stop
and even think about it or anyone else for that matter.
You know what I mean? Like any take, any wealthy
person. So it's kind of like, I feel
like to some extent when we talklike Murad doesn't need to react
to this because he's going, I don't give a fuck.

(02:35:49):
He's, he's thinking like I'm on a mission, actually.
I don't think he gives a fuck though.
Like for real? He really doesn't care, right?
I don't. Think he gives a fuck?
I need to be more like that. I care too much.
After those tik toks started coming out I was like he really
doesn't give a fuck. Yeah.
Dude. Like for real, he was just raw
dog in the timeline with those Tik Toks.
And yeah, yeah, the the I can't,I don't have any animated hands,

(02:36:12):
but you were just doing it. Yeah, it's it's the same Tik
Toker every. Time Every morning I wake up I
just see MU rat staring at me just like talking about.
How life is going to be over Like financial nihilism.
The robots will replace you. You will buy my bags.
Like fuck, I need some SPX. Holy shit, yeah.

(02:36:32):
I mean the the the the hands arelike 7 out of 10, but the hair,
the hair always gets me every single time.
Those are the important questions I have from here.
All right, hair product I get, Iget one question, one question.
That's all I need. Don't.

(02:36:53):
Don't. Don't say it out loud because
he'll prepare. He's watching right now.
I don't, I don't think he, I don't, I don't know.
I don't think he's watching. I think David's watching, he
said. He was going to.
Yeah. So what happened with David?
I could go on like a spaces with.
Him with double booked with bingo night.
Yeah. Open up bingo spaces.

(02:37:15):
Just to just to at the risk of bringing it back to crypto for
well, I really I'm actually far more interested in this subject
of family and father because reck you were you were saying
that shit went crazy. The three of you are all
fathers. Which?
Makes me feel kind of or 4 of you even.

(02:37:38):
Wow. She's got fuck trophies too.
Nice. Yeah, trophies.
So I'm I'm the only one. Wow, I feel left out.
Rugged again. You rugged yourself.
Bro I rugged basically. Dude, just think if you would've
just took your shot with that chick at law school camp.
Aman I was I was literally preyed upon by this woman and

(02:38:04):
and I was 18. She tried to get me drunk and
she got me into bed. Like this was, this is a horror
movie. Like this was, this isn't.
That's the worst thing you coulddo, is having kids with somebody
you can't tolerate. Yeah.
Or or or as the result of a felony.
But I think that that I think the the like the real crazy part

(02:38:25):
is I didn't even realize it until about a year later.
I didn't realize how fucked up that entire situation was until
a year later. I was like, oh, that was kind of
fucked up. Nothing.
Good happens with the fireball. When Fireball's involved,
nothing good happens. Or after 3:00 AM.
Yeah. You're watching that stream.
What that one? Yeah.

(02:38:46):
No, no, I said. She was.
Taking, Fireball said. That.
When he said that I said well dude, she would have swallowed
100%. I said, yeah, that's some bad
flashbacks, parties or. Worse, or she wouldn't have all.
Right. Yeah, her box would have
swallowed it. We're saying a lot of things
right now, Rek did. You say that to David, though.

(02:39:06):
What happened? Why did he come on?
What happened? OK, so the nice version of it is
he wanted to give me and rekt the space to have the show.
The honest version is that he forgot that he has his own show
at 9:30. That he does.
And I'm kidding. And and and that he he he was

(02:39:27):
like, I don't want this is what he did.
He went blue. Here's the thing.
I don't wanna eclipse or or. I'm just going to do.
I'm going to ruin this accent. I'm not going to do it because I
don't want to eclipse you. I don't want to over shadow rect
and I'm just too much of A star,so I don't want to be a part of
this stream. It's basically what he said.
OK, that's the I mean because hehad like he had a lot of the he

(02:39:49):
would have driven a lot of like the Bobo stuff because he's just
like so Bobo, Bobo, Bobo this, Bobo that.
So about that like me and you can we can just talk about
whatever for like for a long asstime.
So that's a. 100% Well, first ofall, let's start with this.
I love David and, and here's thething, you reck you watch
everyone here watches the what'sit called at night nightly

(02:40:11):
recap. Everyone here watches the the
nightly recap, right? Yeah, I'll watch it.
OK, I've definitely watched that.
Yeah, I don't watch it every night.
I'm usually on here with you if you've seen it.
You what's, what would you say reduction?
Or the pro? No, the pro production is crazy.
He, he, he, if you've seen it atleast once in the past seven

(02:40:33):
days, every night he's talking shit about me, every night,
talking shit about my bed, calling me gay, all kinds of
stuff. You know there's.
Is that why you changed the the room setting?
No, I got tired. My room approved magnets you
have in the back on your refrigerator.

(02:40:56):
I have a lot and then I have. Oh, that's is that 3D printed?
Yeah. That's awesome.
No, I have. So he, I, I moved out because
the guys, I live in my, my apartment is a mile within a
mile of Decatur town Square, which is like this, like the

(02:41:20):
heart of the city. Georgia.
Yeah. Oh man, Atlanta.
Well, I'm about 10 minutes from Atlanta, but right next to
Atlanta City that's just as leftist but much cleaner and
much nicer, and it's known as Decatur.
Yeah, Atlanta's wild. Yeah, and so and so that's it's

(02:41:40):
like it's like Atlanta's Gotham,Decatur is Metropolis I'm.
Serious. Atlanta's GTA.
Like for real. More so than LA.
Like it's crazy. In Atlanta, it's crazy.
But anyway, I went. To school there for six years in
in the heart of Atlanta. So I why am I bringing this up?
Oh, oh, oh. So this apartment is 580 square

(02:42:04):
feet. At least 200 of those square
feet are the bathroom and the hallway and the room itself,
probably or more more than 200. So what you're seeing in the
background here, this is the apartment.
There's not more to this. The only thing that that door,
that door, that's the bathroom. And on the other side of that
essentially behind the fridge. Yeah.

(02:42:25):
Is the bedroom. That's it.
That's the apartment. So you don't have ATV.
No, I do. It's right here.
Oh, OK, bang. My first city apartment was like
that and then during COVID we sniped one up.
It was dude. I had a two-bedroom 2 bathroom
with a balcony that was like 6 by 25 six feet by 25 feet.
It was awesome and we were able to keep those prices for two

(02:42:49):
years but then if we wanted to renew they were lit.
It was going to go from what were we paying 4000 a month to
like 7000 a month. Crazy man.
Couldn't relate. That's disgusting.
That's insane. The first one was insane, the
second one was even more insane.The the daycare made me angry.

(02:43:11):
Daycare was like 2800 a month. Oh my gosh.
That was that made me that one would make me really angry every
month when we paid that I'm likefucking 2800.
That's yeah. Like what?
Yeah, it's way cheaper to have someone just stay at home.
It was just crazy. Like it depends on what the, you

(02:43:31):
know, each person, what they do,like work and stuff like that.
But that stuff really racks up the daycare.
I mean, that 2800 was basically,what, 40 grand at the end of the
year? Yeah.
And you added it all up and thenany of the little extra shit
they throw in at the random points of the year.
So unless unless they're making more than 40K that you're just

(02:43:52):
working for daycare. Depends on what you do what
your. Job is and then the nannies were
that's a whole other thing, right.
So like there's these nannies like Rex was just saying a lot
of people do that. You'll get like a nanny that'll
come over five days a week. So you could pay in cash, but
then you don't get the, you could get like a tax credit back
if you don't, right? If you like actually pay them on

(02:44:13):
the books, but they're like safeguarded and like distributed
like like dealers. You know, there's like one woman
that you go to in your area, like if every area has their own
like nanny dealer, it's kind of hilarious.
And they're really hard to come by because you either have to,
it's very hard to like just get them for a few days.
Most of them, they just want full work.

(02:44:33):
You know what I mean? Who's not going to do it at your
place for three days and go try to find someone else for two
days. So you basically have to hire
them for five days or nothing. So like, they get taken up
really quick. Nannies make buck 50 a year in
New York City easy. That's a sick job.
Buck 30 if it's cash like, not abad gig.

(02:44:57):
Yeah, not, yeah, not at all, 100.
And 30 cash man like I had a good buddy I used to ride
bicycles with on the Upper East Side.
He paid. He had a nanny for three kids.
It was $1200 a week cash for. Did you just say, did you say
you used to ride bicycles with aguy on the Upper East Side?
He was awesome. He was a huge Morgan Stanley

(02:45:18):
guy. We used to every morning be
like, I used to ride my bike to work.
I would get up and we would meeton the other side of the 59th
St. bridge at 5:15 AM and ride 20 miles.
Then I would ride to work. But yeah, he was, he was.
He's a great dude. And I would just scream
conspiracy theories at him the whole time, like in Central

(02:45:38):
Park. I'm like they're.
Eating the fucking kegs. He's like, dude.
Whatever. Where?
Why don't you have that? He was just, he was just biking
away from you and he was a routine man.
Dude. This guy again.
He's like he's like good buddy'sbrother-in-law, but he was that
he was awesome. But yeah, he was like this, like
straight laced, like trad fi guy.

(02:46:01):
And I would just be like tellinghim about the craziest shit it
was. But I told him about how he
needed to buy Palantir when it was at like $9.
I'm like, this is the CIA cut out company.
They're going to run the world in a decade.
This stock's worth 500 bucks. Looks like I was right on that
one. The conversations in like 2021

(02:46:22):
are like when the market was really going crazy, like between
like the Tradfi and crypto, people were insane.
Like on spaces, like they're trying to figure out what was
going on and why so much money was being thrown around in this
space. And they're, they're always just
like super serious with their, their stocks and stuff like
that. Do we?
Think COVID is nuts dude. Do we think troll is really and

(02:46:44):
this is interesting, Rex, you talked about this earlier.
Monch has some insight into thisas well, like personal insight
to this. Do we think troll is just being
propped up by by pump fun right now?
Oh, I. Mean for sure, right?
I mean, it's not even like, it'snot even like a hidden thing.
He's definitely buying it. Yeah.
I mean, it's like if they started pumping thousands of

(02:47:05):
dollars into Bobo and pumping it, it was basically like the
same market cap, you know, down there around like 40, you know,
50 mil and then. What is it even at right now?
It's over 200, right? I think I last time I checked it
was up a lot. I wasn't even checking, I was
just let me see. Like last time I looked I think
it cracked 200. Yeah, and even Pump Fun was just

(02:47:27):
like openly talking about it on the timeline too 1. 81 it looks
like. 181 still fucking crazy dude could have bought that
thing all day at 20 million. Like all day.
Months, yeah, 181. So I mean it is what it is.

(02:47:47):
I guess with that they just saidwe're buying.
Got to respect the pump. Yeah, they're just proving a
point I guess with it. I mean, are they going to sell
or are they just going to hold it?
I mean I guess it is propped up now if they just hold it.
Just yeah, just know if he puts out another tweet go in June
mode. You better sell your troll.

(02:48:08):
Any any mode troll. If he says troll mode anything,
it's over. I don't know.
I'm I'm somewhat. That's just the way the way it
is though. I don't know that's that's what
it is. They're openly doing it, some
coins and they privately do it. They're not going to say

(02:48:29):
anything. This is.
Why? Why that one specific meme
though? I'm glad they chose OG though
honestly I'm glad that they did that and didn't just choose
like, you know, chicken Dick or just some random one.
At least that one helps move. We're talking about.
The same troll. You know, like it'll move back.
To OG memes like I think. So yeah, I think that's what it

(02:48:51):
is. I think here's what I think.
I'm going to spin this. I'm going to give you my, my, my
bull case for this or my my green hat case is what I'm going
to call it my Green Man. Yes, I'm going to Green Man.
This pump fun recognizes and agrees that the next bull run or

(02:49:13):
that the the pinnacle of this bull run will be in memes.
And So what pump fun is doing isit's trying to position itself
in at least one token in a way that makes it more like ETH
memes, the the cream of the cropanyways, and less like pump
shitters. And so by them embracing this

(02:49:33):
coin and making it the flagship pump coin or the flagship pump
meme, it's actually signaling that they agree or at the very
least they want to hedge their bets, but they agree that the
future is memes and and real memes, you know, trademark,
whatever that means to you know,I mean, I know I have an opinion

(02:49:53):
of what that means, but whatever.
Let's not get into that right now unless you want to.
I think that that's my Green Mancase for that.
I think that's been a lot of people's take with this is they
see troll pumping and they know why it's pumping and they're
just like, OK, because it's troll coin.
And you're like, well, I've known that meme for a really
long time. It's almost as old as like doge

(02:50:15):
really, right? I mean that meme is really old,
a lot of people just like. I remember that meme when I was
a kid. I'm 35 so that that's an old ass
meme for sure. I'm sidelined.
I'm just like, OK, Nah, I missedthat one there.
There it goes. I remember that meme.
That was a good one. That was a good one.

(02:50:35):
Bye. The one thing I would say like
to to challenge that would be, but his whole business is
transactional. He needs these recharge to
launch as many coins as they can.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but you need one to
succeed to OK, here's my here's my Redman case.
My Redman case is that he's noticed that people don't

(02:50:56):
believe in in this anymore that the that the pump bears such as
ourselves are right and that theaverage daily coin launchings
have died essentially. And so if they picked 1 as a
winner, then it would inject a bunch of hope into the system,
into the machine, and everyone'sgoing to start launching again

(02:51:16):
every. Once in.
A. While every once in a while you
need the big jackpot sign to go off in the in the casino.
Yep, otherwise. Someone.
Won and you need those numbers to just keep climbing.
But it's it's really just a showcase for for people to start
doing what they've been doing for months.

(02:51:37):
Yeah, they're they're pumping that coin specifically for just
to make sure that that they stayrelevant because they haven't
been since. Pump, it's marketing.
It's essentially the cost of marketing.
Yeah. Yeah, it probably does put a a
knife in the whole bunk, you know, pump fund launchpad
battle. Because I think ever since that

(02:51:57):
took off, I think pumps launchedmore coins than bonk, which in
the end is hilarious to me. Like it's two different people.
Like it's not the same crowd of people just launching.
Coins it is. They're all playing musical
chairs, too. Yeah, not 100%.
And I, I'm like, and I have a couple of buddies that live in
the trenches and they're like, we're going over to bonk.
It's better people. I'm like, you're going with the

(02:52:18):
same people like. What do you?
Yeah, you didn't even change thename of the chat.
Like you're like fuck. The mechanics are different, the
mechanics are different, the incentives are different on
bank, but it's just a fucking zest with all of it it what's

(02:52:41):
happening left and right is justoutrageous.
Oh, wreck. That's what I wanted to ask you.
You were talking about moon shotbefore.
I agree. I think moon shots huge.
I think it that's like a real good one to get retail in just
how easy it is like you were saying.
What do you think of them havinga launchpad?
I thought that was fucking terrible idea.
Yeah, I that's why I was like, that's why I look at the Moon

(02:53:04):
Cat coin and I'm like, is this their only coin?
Because that's the reason I was like bullish on it.
Really like the only one that survived and like the whole
launchpad thing. I agree.
I just don't unless they do something to incentivize it.
Like it was like they were just kind of trend following at that
point, then, you know, and now it's already kind of the trend,
it's ending. Yeah, it was just so odd to me

(02:53:26):
because it's like here you make this awesome app that's totally
made for like not crypto natives, right, like totally for
retail. And then you go, hey, launch a
coin like retail has any fuckingclue what is going on.
The amount of work. It's like the capital of the
work. So it was just like, it's it's
almost like you're just robbing me.

(02:53:47):
But why would yeah, that that part was odd to me because I'm a
huge I'm huge on moonshine. I think that that'll be, I
really think like we'll know that we're into like the real
euphoria when something like Moon Shot is in the top five
downloaded apps. And how do you how do you get
past all the fees on moon shot though?
Like. Trading wise, right, it's very

(02:54:09):
expensive. Well like I I remember paying
like 2 like almost 10% to put onlike 20 or 50 bucks on there one
time. It was like a three or $4.00
fee, especially if you use an Apple Pay.
You know, the onboarding fees for everything.
Yeah, I mean, that's like everything so.
It's just it's it's the middle man that the fine like that

(02:54:32):
crypto was trying to stop. You know, it's like now we're
getting Visa on crypto. What are?
We doing I feel like that's how it always works, right?
Like they'll just always find a way to wiggle their wiggle
another third party, 4th party if they could fit it.
Crypto debit cards with massive,you know, Visa logos on them.

(02:54:54):
I'm like, yeah, OK. What's that?
What's? Worse tripped me out.
Back in the day crypto credit cards because I mean this
trading is saw. That.
That that's going to be deadly. Just doing that right, you could
buy Bitcoin on a credit card. Yeah, with the Coinbase card, I
think. That's how you get 2008.
They said they tried this already and they all they they

(02:55:17):
it's. Got a different a different
wrapper on it this time. It's going to be great.
You get cash back and sats. Yeah, that's the the launchpad
kind of pissed me off. Aside from that, I do think that
you'll get a bunch of retail through there and Robin Hood
whenever Robin Hood decides to step up.

(02:55:38):
And. There's.
So good. Stuff.
That's so well connected to oh, sorry, go ahead.
I apologize, do you see what Coinbase is doing though with
their base integration? No.
So like anything soon, anything that's listed on Aerodrome
Finance will be on Coinbase. That's interesting.
Like that's. Well.

(02:56:01):
Know. What I'm doing?
So like from what from what I'vebeen reading, they're
integrating like the base network with Coinbase, like
they're they're listing everything that's on Aerodrome
I. Don't know what that means.
What is? What is that?
Aerodrome on. Bass Yeah.

(02:56:22):
It's it's the decks of Bass. It's like the uniswap of Bass, I
guess. Yeah, it's another.
Uniswap they want, they were like they want everything to be
listed on Coinbase. I think they heard, I think I
heard them say that too. And I was like, well, there goes
a Coinbase listing pump. I was going to say, what does
that do to the listing pump then?

(02:56:43):
Everything. But but, but the listing number
one listing pump is done. Let's just be real, OK?
It's it. It doesn't exist.
It's getting worse and worse andworse.
Right number. And in fact, in fact, I think
the number suggests that listing, it's more of a listing
dump. I've seen, I've seen more coins
go lately and and I'm not exactly the authority on this
shit, but I've seen more coins recently.

(02:57:05):
They get a listing and it's likeboom -10% -, 5% it's not been.
Coinbase Steds a Giga was fucking criminal.
They listed them on Coinbase andthen like everything was good
and like four months in they just delisted it in New York.
Oh, I remember that. I remember that.
Where I live, where I onboarded so many of these union guys that

(02:57:27):
I worked with in through Coinbase because it was the
easiest thing ever. And then it was just like, all
right, well, you can sell this if you want.
You can't buy anymore. It's like, I guess it's like
burnt supply like, but it just looks bad.
Do you remember when? I remember when they did that
with XRP? Like I remember the first time I
bought XRP was on Coinbase. And then four months later you

(02:57:49):
couldn't, it was just like dead there.
You couldn't sell it. You have to move it if you
wanted to sell it. And that just looks bearish,
especially for someone that's like doesn't know anything about
crypto. It's like they buy this coin and
then Coinbase delisted. I got so many phone calls like
you fucking scam you fucking scam me, you take my money.
How? How?
How, how do I take like, how would that even it's still

(02:58:10):
there? Like you just can't buy more or
sell it. Now I look like a piece of shit.
Well, it's 'cause ultimately people don't understand.
It's like you have to almost be like a terminally online person
to really understand what's going on in the trenches.
I have, I have. I need to.
I need to say something here about this comment.
Oh God, another moon cat comment.

(02:58:31):
And see Rex, this is the and I love by the way, I love green.
I do I love green. This drives me crazy.
This drives me crazy. Not the rub the grass and stare
at the sun. That's pretty on brand.
I think moon cat is the token for what blue is working for
Unite the memes. Two things.
Number one, I was I was in, I was in the I was in the I was in

(02:58:56):
the moon cat chat originally. And some guy quoted took a post
of someone else using the hashtag you like the memes and
was like, why is everyone stealing our thing?
And I, I, I went. Pardon me, I went.
Excuse me? I think I know who you fought

(02:59:18):
with too. I would.
I did not really, no. No, no, this wasn't him.
This wasn't him this and I wasn't fighting with this guy.
This guy actually DM me privately like this was not a
fight. I just went, pardon me, go into
your ex search bar and type #unite the memes and tell me who
stole what from who. And so and so he was like, oh,
I'm sorry, I'm. Sorry, I said it first.
But it was it, hey? Check the timeline.

(02:59:39):
And so no, But it it matters in this case, it doesn't matter.
And so. And so it's like, I say that to
say to, to see something like this, right?
Like, and this is, this is the stuff where I like, I started to
get combative with Moon Cat because I was like #1 it was
this in the other rhetoric of like SP, No, keep it up there.
Who took it down? Put it back up there.

(03:00:00):
The people who are like the people who are like Moon Cat's
the next SPX. It's like SPX but on Seoul.
And it's like, first of all, fuck you.
That doesn't make any sense. OK.
Second of all. Second of all, the whole point
behind unite the Memes is it's the here's the and here's and

(03:00:21):
thank you. Thank you Green.
I mean it genuinely for reminding me how to articulate
this. I want to unite the memes, not
conquer them. And when you say, here's the
one, the one coin for all the coins, what you're saying is
you're conquering, you're not uniting.
There's a very big difference. I'm not saying sell your moon
cat for Bobo or sell your Bobo for APU.

(03:00:43):
I'm saying you can, you can, youcan hold all the coins you want.
The point isn't to fight over holding this or that.
The point is to create an environment where people feel
comfortable holding whatever they love and where people can
connect to the coins that they love and that actually we all do
better when we collaborate. That's the point of Unite the
Memes, not, oh, we just created the singular image meme coin and

(03:01:04):
now we're going to take Blues philosophy and wrap it around
that and say, oh, actually this is it.
No, you can love Moon Cat, you can love APU, you can love SPX.
That's the point of Unite the Memes.
And, and anyways, so that's thisis this is what that's the shit
that got Moon Cat into trouble with me or me in trouble with
Moon Cat. And that's what it is.

(03:01:25):
Lou just starts yelling at us. I.
Love Vapor Cat? But sing your hand.
By the way, what are you holding?
A glitch? Yeah.
Smuggling Boo. Fuck that cat.
No, this is. Catnip.
This is new. This is.
Really. Really funny, which is ironic.

(03:01:46):
It's for my I'm. I'm flirting with the idea of
using this on my wound, but my wound I think is too large for
this. Why would you?
You want the air in it dude. Well, not always right.
It's like a it's weird. It's like a on again, off again.
But Rex, I want your I want yourtake specifically to what I just
said. Nice, nice.
I. Think like it's really tough,

(03:02:07):
like a lot of memes get ruined or just like communities get
ruined because like a few bad apples in them like and you
really can't shake it. Like you might love a meme like
like I mean like the Bobo and the mog community go at it on
the timeline, I think, because like they're both like a yin and
Yang of each other, like 1's a bear and 1 is just so you know,

(03:02:27):
got the pit Vipers on them were for pumping.
You know, they're just like the,you know, the bad ass bulls,
like you gotta make money and the bears are just like, no,
fuck that. And so they're always going back
and forth anyway. Like, and so you get like people
in each community that say things and, you know, rub you
the wrong way and it's really, really hard to shake it.

(03:02:48):
It almost ruins the meme for youentirely, like.
They 100% did, by the way. Yeah, 'cause there's people like
I've gone to battle with like the Pepe community and some of
the things like the Pepe community have said to me have
like literally ruined the Pepe meme for me at times.
Like I'm just like, damn, man, Igrew up with this meme.
I love this meme. And it's just like one or two

(03:03:09):
things someone says to you. They're like, just stick with
you, get under your skin. You're like, damn, I hate
looking at this damn frog's facenow.
What's going on? Like like this frog now or you
know, it's just things like thatthat really suck when and I
think it stems from leadership. Like so the people in charge of
the coins need to keep their people in check.
Like, so you're telling me you condone this type of behavior?
Like that's like what you were mentioning, like like Murad or

(03:03:33):
like SPX? Like it, it goes from the top
down. It really does.
So when I see people in communities like like recently
someone was doxing people's passports, posting passports and
posting IDs and doing crazy stuff like that and just
someone. Does that shit to me.
I will sue you into hell and back.
I will, I will. I will tie you down in

(03:03:55):
litigation for so long that no one in your bloodline.
Will tie everybody down. Yeah, it's, it's, it happens a
lot. Well, mainly there's there's
someone in the in the Bobo community whose passport has
been circulating for a while. I will recruit Mossad.
I will. I will activate every.

(03:04:16):
Just one call away, you know it.You got a high speed dial.
So that was Mossad before when he started this stream and he
thought it was Siri. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mossad, Siri. Handler.
No, sorry. But you need anything.
And if I saw someone in my community doing that to someone
else, I would say something. I'd be like, this is fucked up,

(03:04:38):
you need to stop. So it really does go from the
top down. So when I see, you know, people
like maybe someone the moon cat,you know, is am I the people
assumed I was the lead just because I was one of the bigger
voices that was talking about it.
But I'm not the dev, you know, I'm just I tried to portray
myself as a community member. Obviously that's not really, it
didn't really work out that way.I feel like a lot of people

(03:05:00):
assumed it was like my coin because I was like one of the
biggest voices in it or whatever.
But it's like somebody needs to step up and say no, this isn't
OK. Like this sucks.
I've seen it like a lot. Of it doesn't help that the the
person who ended up doing it, his name is Bobo Anon.
I think I saw from. I saw.
I didn't. It's like one of those deals,
like you see the fight happeningand then you don't read it.

(03:05:20):
You just kind of like blur your eyes and try to like, I'm like.
So here's the. Thing fight like I'm not seeing.
This I'm not. Seeing this, I'm not seeing.
This I want to, I want to clarify, I want to clarify
something about that while we'rehere because it got ugly and
then it didn't. But the problem is when it got
pretty that that part didn't happen publicly.
I don't know if I don't, I don'tknow why I would.

(03:05:43):
I would like to think that it would make sense for it to
happen publicly, but it hasn't. Now that actually he called me.
Well, he texted me. He reached out to me because he
Yeah, so he so he made so he made so he.
Well, I say call, you know, it was over X.
But he, when he made that video with my face on it, you know,

(03:06:07):
people, I guess a ton of people from I don't know which
communities kind of got on to him about it.
And he reached out to me and he was like, I think we're supposed
to work together. And my initial reaction was
like, no shit. But no, I I was, I was actually
in the middle. Dude that kind of looks like
Trav's cousin if he didn't do. This guy looks like if he wore a

(03:06:30):
shirt and or at the very least he he here's the here's what I
told him. He could be, I think one of the
biggest figures in this space. I told him this on the phone.
Let me let me just let me just tell you the story.
But yes, the answer is yes, cut from the same cloth.
He's Trev Deluxe essentially currently.
Trev Deluxe. And or or Trev Pro Max is what

(03:06:53):
he is right now, yeah. He's the pro Max and.
That's what he is. A full set of choppers, yeah.
So anyway, so, so I say to him, I go, hey, I'm at a movie right
now. I was watching Fantastic Four.
I was like, can you, can you hopon a call?

(03:07:14):
And he goes, yeah, sure. So I, I call him or he calls me
or I call him whatever. I can't remember which one it
was. I think he called me and then I
called him because it, the call dropped or whatever.
And we I call him on the way, onthe way home and we're talking
and I say, look, I think, I think people.

(03:07:39):
I told him that he asked me if Iwatched the video and I said
honestly, like I find your like your content's damn near
unwatchable for me. Like it's very hard.
I skimmed through most of it. He goes, fair enough.
And he goes, I think he goes, I'm sorry, I didn't, you know, I
didn't. He basically said to me, I
didn't realize who you were at 1st.
And that's not me paraphrasing. That's me quoting a verbatim,

(03:08:01):
but more to the point, he's like, I didn't mean to be
disrespectful. And here's what I told him.
I said, listen, I said I think that you could be one of the
biggest players on this stage. I think you have everything that
it takes to be huge. I think that you are the most
the currently the way you're moving is the most bearish thing

(03:08:21):
about the coin for me. I sold because of you and
before, before the ship was before it was personal and and I
said and and I said, and I wouldn't be surprised if other
people did too. And and I just told him I was
like, I don't know why I was like, it's one thing to come out
and have an environment that's friendly.
It's another and this and I gavehim the same speech.

(03:08:42):
I just gave green, which was like, you're you're not
conquering anything. Like, believe me, I'm like.
And if you are, you're picking fights with coins whose whales
can one clip your whole chart. So.
You're, it's, you're dead on arrival, if that's going to be
your strategy. And I was like, put a little bit
of respect and a little bit of, of good faith will go a very
long way with people in this space.

(03:09:03):
And I'm saying that as someone who's been here for 76 days,
right? So like take that into, into,
you know, with, with some grainsof salt.
But and so he and so he and I kind of just had a heart to
heart where I was like, look, I'm not, I'm not holding a
grudge. I'm not mad at you.
I'm not whatever. Like like I can, I'm letting
this go. I'm like, you need to decide who
you want to be on this on this platform because I think if you

(03:09:26):
if you made some changes, you could be huge.
And he has. A ton of charisma.
I think that's the word for it. So good, man.
He could be so good. And by the way, I, I consider
him a friend now, like I, I consider him friendly with him,
like I, I, I've, I've seen the changes and, and by the way,
like people afterwards like, oh,you should bring him on pon
talk. Bring him on pon talk.
I was like, let's, let's see some good faith, you know,

(03:09:46):
let's, let's see the changes. I want to see it and I have I
have no idea if he does or does.I think he does.
Actually, I think he, you know, it's not.
You know what it is to is like the Bobo meme and like him.
It's like the way, the best way I could describe it is like it's
cutting a promo. It's like cutting a heel promo
and wrestling and him trying to figure out how to portray that

(03:10:10):
almost. It's like he has this like
charismatic character he's trying to portray as like the
bear meme or whatever. So it's like you're he's it's
like this villainous type character and like role you're
trying to play. But there is a thin line there
where you try to make it. What should they like bullish in
a way, you know, try to you don't want to like it.

(03:10:31):
You can come off bearish, literally, pun intended, very
easily if you start attacking people and, you know, trying to
garner engagement that way with it.
So that's, I don't know. I I saw the fight transpire
though in in some of the chats, but I'm glad things worked out,
yeah. I, I, I do, by the way, I do

(03:10:51):
like, I, like I said, I, I really, I really wish nothing
but the best for Moon Cat. And I think that if he continues
on the trajectory that he's on, I think many, many people,
including myself will feel very good about Moon Cat and feel
very good about buying it. But it's like, sorry, go.
Ahead all right yeah I was saying his videos are hilarious
though he just comes on as like this this Bobo bear character on

(03:11:13):
like and cuts like these 5 minute promos on the timeline
and you're just like what the hell is going on he always has
like some is it hanging in theremoon cat it's like chilling
around like 2-3 mil or somethingI don't know it's it's about
where you know a moon shot coin would be right now their
launchpad. So I think that's really what it
is. It's a bet on the platform, like

(03:11:34):
for sure, yeah. I I listen, I don't mind, I
don't care. I don't give a fuck about that
aspect of this at all. I think it's cool that they're
on moon. No, no, I'm no, I'm saying that
just to say like, like for me, that's not about that.
It's like cool, like, you know, we have APU's is has an
agreement with moon shot and youknow, we're working with them
and and I wish success for the platform.
Like that's it's not even about that.

(03:11:55):
It's like it's just what I mean req you tell me for for the way
he was moving a few weeks ago. What is how many steps, how many
degrees of separation really arethere between that and and a
pump? Fun shit fluencer.

(03:12:15):
Not much. I mean he's moving like he's
moving like a like a Bobo, though.
He's like a bear. I'm just don't like this whole
persona does aura like he's justhe's like he's Bobo posting
right now. If you go on 4 Chan and you look
on Biz, you don't know what I'm talking about.
Like every Bobo post on Biz and 4 Chan is yeah he shows.
Show this 4 Chan. Yeah, you go on there.

(03:12:36):
It's like everything is like a promo with with Bobo, Like
you're you're just posting. It's it's like it's setting
every time he goes live on a video, it's like he puts like
red lights and shit. It's like he's turning into this
evil villain. I think he just.
Talks like Andrew into it. Yeah, it's just like Welcome to

(03:12:58):
the Moon Cat promo. I'm going to tell you why this
is the next XPX. Go ahead.
And it's just like, whoa, holy shit, what am I watching?
No I didn't. He didn't post.
It on Fortune. That would be diabolical. 4 Chan
people. What the fuck is?
This, but I don't think so. Here's the thing.
Like I I think if that's the angle it loses.

(03:13:21):
Yeah, it's AI mean. It's kind of weird like boat
like posting that way with Moon Cat.
I don't know, I think he just got a little carried away maybe.
And I don't I don't think he needs to be Superman.
Well, but here's another thing. It's like I felt I felt such a
responsibility. There he is, dude.
You should. Can we send him the link?

(03:13:41):
We should bring him up here. I felt such a responsibility.
Oh, Trav. No, Bobo Anon.
Damn it. Who goes by the name that?
Oh, did I lose you guys? No.
There we go. Over by it.
He's over tomorrow, right? Oh, he's there.
Oh shit. He goes, he goes, he goes by
Ray. I think the, the, I felt such a

(03:14:05):
responsibility to, to like, react to it, not just like, not
just on a personal level, like I, I, I felt like I, this is
someone who's coming for me. It felt like, but it also felt
like I felt a responsibility forthe space, like absolutely not
like this has to be stopped right now.

(03:14:25):
Because if this, if this gets out of control, then I'm going
to have 10 knockoffs of Bobo Anon, you know, by noon the next
day. And so I, I really felt like a
strong. And that's why when I, when I
did, when I did what I did, I, Iwas like, I'm not, I'm like, I
don't want to come down with theforce of God on this guy.
Like I want to really, I, I don't want to a rivalry.
I don't want any animosity. Like I want a path to something

(03:14:48):
resembling partnership and friendship like I really do.
That he's watching. I sent him the link.
Yeah. Yeah, you told me to send him
the link. Sent him the link man DM D it.
No, man. Yeah, you on biz?
What's up? Yeah, show us the real memes,
bro. I hope he comes up.
Here, let's take another tour through Biz with Blue.

(03:15:08):
I'm not. Clicking new segment, he said.
I'm not clicking on that link. We're gonna lose Twitch, dude.
Click it without clicking it. Did you get any kind of like
striker? I don't fucking know.
I, I abandoned, we have like 2 1/2 people on Twitch right now
and the other day that I said that it was cozy that was there
and he's like, I'm here. Yeah, and I've.

(03:15:29):
Been thinking about that ever since I've been thinking about
that, I feel like. I it's two friends.
You just ignored 2 friends. I'm looking at, I'm looking at
biz right now. There's nothing on here.
I mean, there's a Bobo with a green candle shoved up his butt.
Like we're like making sure biz is safe real quick.
There's a lot of can. We go on biz yet, guys.

(03:15:53):
We're not going to. Green candles That the green
dildos in the WNBA is so funny. Imagine it's the WNBA that's
doing like doing it as a marketing scheme.
That would be the most brilliantthing if they were doing it.
That's probably why they. Haven't stopped.
Come on man, like they're the ones that are sending them

(03:16:13):
around. Just checking Dicks on the
court. I feel like that's how we can
all unite the memes. We get like one big group chat.
No, we get one big group chat together and we all put like, we
all know that it's going to be that color and then somebody
goes and throws it. He gets the tipping wallet and

(03:16:33):
we all make money. I need to know if you are the
creator of Bobina. No, I'm not.
I'm not that far in the whole the furry thing.
I don't know what the I just seen someone.
Literally dressed up as a bear. What do?
You mean, well, I know It's like, well, you know, Bobo's
different, man, Bubble's different.
So if Bobo had. Trades bear market, you know,

(03:16:55):
it's like trading. So, so Bobo.
So Bobo can't have tits like Bobo can't be a woman.
Oh. Bobina.
Well, Bobina didn't used to looklike that.
Like it used to just be like Bobo's head and you like make it
like a female was like really ugly.
It was just like kind of a joke.But then, you know, 4 Chan, they
took it and they sexualized the market forces, I should say.

(03:17:15):
Bobina came from from you say Reddit or fortune?
Biz like 4 Chan biz Yeah. Bobina came from fortune.
Yeah, she's like the new hot meme.
I guess there's a bobina Mumina.Crabitha.
Crabitha Yeah. All the market forces, they,

(03:17:37):
they rule 34 them all, which means like Rule 34 means, Yeah,
I mean, you could do you. Remember that retarded knuckles?
It was in knuckles from like Uganda.
The way, yeah. That's it the way.
Do you know the way? I love that, I thought it was so
funny. I didn't know it was connected

(03:17:58):
to like a coin or anything. That's a fortune, I mean.
Yeah. Oh.
They I'm sure they've launched that coin 100 times.
Yeah. So is so is he not coming?
Did we not know? Never responded.
Man, he's watching now. He's just watching you.
You. Don't want that smoke dog?
He's not going to get it. We're on good terms.
I'm just, I also have no interest in in distributing it.

(03:18:20):
But yeah, like turn. This into bad terms real quick,
there's. Trevor at now I got the link.
I've been on a. Three hour anywhere to me.
Three hour break. And this McDonald's, my
manager's gonna fire me. Yeah, you fired dude.
Fired up here. I think at this point you get a
lunch break. You get sued for a wage theft at

(03:18:42):
this point. It's yeah, it's those people
that take the breaks that turn into lunch breaks, you know,
that's, that's what I'm doing right now.
I. Mean what do you I guess you I
mean do you so rec do you do crypto full time?
Yeah, now, I, I mean, I had to after after Bobo took off like
crazy. It was just to insane not to.

(03:19:03):
You have to be early days were terrible like glued to a
telegram 24/7, you know, fighting bots and spam.
You know the early days and coins are just insane.
Like feel bad for anyone doing it.
You know, you're getting constantly attacked, vampire
attacked, thoughts hitting you up.
People like, yeah, it's just insane.

(03:19:25):
Telegram's the worst, though. Telegram's bad.
I. Hate.
I like hate Telegram. Honest, I hate it man I.
Hate that I have to use it. I just hate it.
Everything about it. I like it.
It's. I it's cool for like, you know,
just having conversations. With people or whatever, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a.
Messaging app app who's is you know, app who Telegram is like

(03:19:45):
different though, like it's pretty well moderated in there.
Like every, you know, it's very active.
So I, I'd say that experience isprobably one of the best.
Everything else, yeah, it's it'sit's pretty rough.
Bobo's has been around for yearsnow, so we have some like people
that have always used it for years.

(03:20:05):
So it's not like we can really get rid of it.
I pretty much modded everyone that's like left in there over
like the cycles. So now it can just act as its
own. But the hardest part is getting
rid of the bots. They never stop.
Well why don't you just get a verification bot?
I got them all. They're they're fighting the
bots, man. They're it's bad a constant.

(03:20:28):
War. It's insane.
You know, it's you know it's badwhen you get the Telegram
message. Hey, what do you think about
this coin? Do you think it can pump like oh
now you just told me who you bought it from?
Like the fake only fans girls, like bots all in the chat that
come in there too. Like the bots, like I just leave
them in there. So whatever everyone you know

(03:20:48):
thinks, we got all these girls in the chat.
I guess I'm just ugly. I'm not getting.
I'm not getting any messages. From you don't get a ton of
dude, I get it. I figured yours was insane.
Once I found folders though, that helped.
I like Telegram because you could like send the documents
and shit like do a bunch of gigastuff in there like on the back
end like that. That part's cool.
You could send all the shit, youknow, put it that that.

(03:21:11):
That's a cool part. That's going to change with X
chats though. Is that is that the deal?
You're going to, Yeah, it's going to be encrypted.
And shit encrypted. And and yeah.
When I will never use this, you know broken X is like I I love.
I love Elon kind of, but like I want him on the show.

(03:21:31):
If you're watching come on the show, but that's my delusional
target him and and alone I guys,I want to get him on here so
badly can. You say his name again, it makes
me laugh. Alone.
And I'm just gonna yell at him for about two hours.
That's my goal in Hebrew. I will yell at him in Hebrew for

(03:21:52):
two hours. Is that would be one of those
things where like we forget to go live, nobody's going to
understand what you're saying. I'm going to go live.
It'll be good are. You going to get a translator?
No, no, you guys, you're just going to see like me screaming

(03:22:12):
at it. Rex, what the fuck?
What is going on there? This is the Anon mask.
This is like, you know, the 4 Chan anonymous mask.
For Fox Mask V. For Bobo, yeah.
Guy. Foggs, I guess we can make it
for Bobo Anon. Why isn't he?
He said he wanted to come on theshow or whatever.
OK, guess not. You didn't want that smoke dog.

(03:22:33):
What smoke? The the he wanted they wanted
him to come on the show. He asked to come on the show 2
weeks ago when the conflict was hot.
OK. And now I'm offering it.
There he is. Let's give him a second.
Set it up. I'll step down while he comes
up. Keep you fresh.
Me too. What?
Do you mean me too? You, you stay put.

(03:22:56):
What do you mean me too? Dude I love that one too, it's
so good. What a profile picture.
You like? Ray I love it, dude.
I love that one. Thank you.
So you know what right. Turned into the Grinch?
What? I guess I don't want to just say

(03:23:18):
what do you have to say for yourself, but I kind of want to
just ask you, you know what? Do you have to say for yourself?
What? Yeah.
What you know. I'm just fucking around.
No, no. No, no, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, I guess.
What's up? So, so to be honest with you, I
don't want to interrupt the showin the instance of whatever you

(03:23:40):
guys are talking about because Ijust opt in real quick.
I noticed you guys were talking about me for about 60 seconds,
so I have no idea what you guys were talking about to be honest.
Been talking about you for like 45 minutes man.
Oh really? Oh my God, I'm crazy.
I'm grateful. I'm grateful.
Yeah, I'm just fucking. Like I was, I was, I was

(03:24:00):
catching wrecked up on how you made me hate Moon Cat and then
you made me kind of like it again.
That's that's the story. Yeah.
That that's kind of a funny, funny little altercation we had.
You know, I had no idea who you were for one.
What is that? Somebody sent me the link to
your space and I joined it. I went up there, we disagreed in
like a second and we got off on a bad foot.

(03:24:22):
Typical blue. Typical blue fashion.
That's what I'm known for. I'm known for.
I'm known for fighting with everyone and disagreeing with
them. Yeah, that's what I'm known for.
It's only natural. Right.
So, OK, what? When you say you didn't know who
I was, what does that mean? Oh, like I, I don't know, I just
never have seen your ex account before.
Like I haven't been. My algorithm isn't a poo really.

(03:24:46):
So I've never seen who's in the space necessarily.
You know, my algorithm's all theBo Bros.
So my I have tunnel vision in a in a sense.
So I had no idea who you were are.
You walking a dog or riding a horse?
Is that your chain walking? Yeah, I'm walking in the
neighborhood right now and that is my chain.

(03:25:08):
I knew it. The I know it's kind of, it's
kind of heavy. It gives me a way.
This is the Bobo energy told youBlue I.
Don't even know what that means though.
Rex like I. Villainous.
We're villainous. Dude, Rex knows exactly what
he's talking about. I know I I feel like a villain.

(03:25:29):
Like when I smoke the cigar, I'mjust scheming like what?
How can I piss people off? What can I?
Do Bobo is is like, you know, Bobo's like the the bodyguard,
like the villain of, you know, crypto, like if you ever need
some dirty work done, just call Bobo call.
Bobo Yeah. It's better to have Bobo on your
side. So I won't say this is bear me

(03:25:51):
man, but. But let me ask you something,
Wrecked. Let me ask you something.
Can I? May I?
Let me ask you something? Who if?
If APU does not have Bobo on hisside, who the fuck does?
That's what I'm saying. It's like impossible.
They come from the same source. Like, look at me.
Like look at my eyes. You recognize his eyes.
I do recognize his fucking eyes.Who's eyes to?

(03:26:13):
Those I know, I know. So then why the?
Hell, do I bake me with BOGO andnot?
The fucking nude. Cat.
Those fucking those are APU eyes.
The Pepe people couldn't see it though.
They get mad at me. I was.
Like we work for the same fucking people.
Yeah. Same thing.
Unbelievable. We're all connect.
It's all connected man. It is all connected.

(03:26:33):
We're on the same fucking. It's all connected.
So. So I guess Ray, what is the,
where do you see Moon Cat going from here?
And, and, and where do you see yourself as, as you step into
this role that you have? What, where, where are you?

(03:26:54):
How are, how are you? What's your trajectory?
Well Moon cat is honestly like ajust a play to keep the fire
alive and all the fun 4 Chan memes.
So we're all sitting here thinking like why isn't APU?
Why isn't Bobo already at 1,000,000 market cap?
Why is the Kabul pushing XY and Z this tokenized temporary, you

(03:27:20):
know like trends right? And to keep the spirit alive in
the most base communities who have been so patient waiting
here, it's, it's best to conjureup everybody behind one group
chat, uniting them to have fun saying, you know what guys like
we're all going to the moon. It's it's a cat.

(03:27:41):
We all had fun with Brett. We, we could just call it the
mascot of moon shot run with theBrett thesis.
Get those guys on board because they love that.
Oh, would you would you look at that.
We're, we're bridging the Bobo'ssome APU people, some troll
people here and there. We're we're getting a lot of
diversity and I, I think the reason it is coming is because

(03:28:02):
at the end of every single one of these 4 Chan memes is truth.
A lot of these people are holding these things because
they believe it's superior has edge.
They're willing to believe in these things.
So why not cultivate one community surrounding at all?
If if people are still calling it a vamprotect.
I have no idea. I, I haven't heard in a while,

(03:28:24):
not my algorithm, but if they are, I see it more as, you know,
something to strengthen those memes.
I, I appoint people towards Bobo.
You know, I'm one of the top holders.
Same with the poo. Same with I'm trying to get in
the stonks. I'm just trying to get into any
business memes because business memes are going to survive
cycles. And to be honest, we don't know

(03:28:46):
what is going to happen to the cycles anymore.
I have no idea. Rex, what's your reaction to
that? No, I mean it's pretty much what
you know is going on in the the moon cat group chat.
I think it's just really a culmination of a lot of people
that saw the bullish upside in the moon shot platform.

(03:29:09):
I mean it really is just like I see a lot of APU people in
there. I see a lot of Bobo people in
there. I see a lot of just different
groups. It's not really I don't think
there's really any moon cat Maxis.
It was just kind of like a play that was there and to to talk
about how, you know, I think you'd be kidding yourself too if

(03:29:33):
you didn't think like some of these quote UN quote Maxis
weren't, you know, doing this with other Solana coins too,
like behind the scenes. I think some of theirs have
probably already crashed and burned and like the bonk
ecosystem or already on moon shot.
I don't know. That's kind of what I get from

(03:29:54):
that. I think it's just it was kind of
a, it's just like a fun play. Like you said before.
It's just people just kind of like, let's see if we could like
send a cat to the moon. I don't know.
But if you, but if you and. And here's the thing, though.
When you describe it racked, it sounds like a friendly
invitation. It's like, you know what?
You know what I feel like? I feel like Bobo and Abu own a

(03:30:17):
cat together and. We.
Take turns taking care of the cat.
That's how I feel when you say it.
When Ray says it, I feel like heis like join or die kind of
thing. It feels like conquest.
Is the Bobo it's the Bobo energy.
It's the Bobo energy kind of promo.

(03:30:37):
It's it's like, it's like, it's like Bobo Anna where Bobo, you
know, there are Bobo Maxis. Like it's, it's like, you know,
the Bobo maxi is just like the energy part of it more so than
more so than anything I would say.
Does that make sense? No.

(03:30:58):
Yeah, Blue's lost in the sauce, right?
It has been. Like 15 minutes.
I just think if you're going to say, listen, here's here's an
option for people who if someonesaid, Hey, my name's moon cat.
I'm the moon shot meme and I'm just here repping moon shot and
repping what it stands for and I'm here to play nice I think.

(03:31:20):
Boom, send that thing to outer space and beyond.
I I hear my name is Moonkat. Gather around bitches.
All of you are actually me. I'm the new SPXI was designed to
usurp the throne of God. I'm carried forward on a beam of
light into the center of the universe where I will reign for
eternity. Like that is a very different

(03:31:43):
energy and then what Rekt was saying it is.
So much fun. Wow.
Rekt you'll like this one. My buddy just sent me a spurtos
coin. That's AOG meme.
Yeah, that's OG too. That's, that's around the Dolan
days back then when I was talking about like around like

(03:32:04):
2013 or whatever. Yeah, I, I was looking it up
earlier going back through the, the time capsule.
I guess the timeline of, you know, when I first started
getting into memes, it's very old.
I think it's around 2011. 2013 is when that meme was was around
like. The I wonder if they CT owed it

(03:32:24):
because it's it's. Not maybe launch, probably.
I mean that that has the potential to be a very old coin.
Yeah, that's a funny meme. Some of these memes predate
Bitcoin. Yeah, it's crazy.
You know, that's another thing. You got it.
Yeah. People don't like talking about.
It's like the memes existed before Bitcoin, so.

(03:32:47):
Well, I don't know. I want to do this one more time.
OK, Ray, are you still here? Oh yeah.
OK, do you? What is the future of Moon Cat?
Be as articulate as possible. All right, I'll, I'll, I'll lay
it all down for you. The vision as I see Moon Cat is

(03:33:07):
it's a gift of from rat the bow blow.
It Let me stop you. Let me stop you.
When I listen to you, I go between Heath Ledger's joke and
Andrew Tate. That's what I hear.
And I was. Thinking Heath Ledger, dude.
What do you, what do you what doyou really sound like?
What is your real voice? I.

(03:33:27):
Love that one, right? No, I'm, I'm, I'm a very
animated person. This is just how I've always
spoken. That's his real voice.
Where? Where are you from?
He was destined to be a bow bro.Were you?
Were you born in the United States?
I get asked that a lot, you know, even in real life, people
always ask me, like what? You're from small town

(03:33:47):
Minnesota? Yeah, I am, you know, but I've
lived in New Zealand. There we go.
OK, proceed. That makes sense.
Go ahead. Well, any anyways, the fact that
somebody is admirable as Rex because he's such a passive

(03:34:07):
person. If he likes something simply
it's it's like intuitive. The future of Moon Cat belongs
with how fun the community is having and how far they want to
take it. Personally, I want to take it to
the absolute limits, of course, like when I see an opportunity
like this, I don't want to farm off anybody.

(03:34:28):
I just want to dox my wallet. We have a floor going here.
If if we got the ball rows and all these people coming in, I
don't want to take that for granted and I want to treat that
power with respect. The thing with the Moon Shot
platform, what is so cool about it is that we're getting income
like a business. So I want to treat it like a

(03:34:49):
business, like if, if we have everything set up to lead and be
#1 on this platform and work with Moon Shot to onboard people
and have fun using this, then why don't we try to make this as
professional as possible? Why don't we get out the creator
fees back to the community? Why don't we make brand this
stuff? Moon Cat can be likable.

(03:35:09):
We could, we can have kids booksabout the cat on the moon and
the the moon on the cat. We, we can do all these things.
Obviously I'm speaking into the future, but that's, that's what
you're asking me. The vision I see on it is I'm
going to go all in. I'm going to do whatever it
takes, not work, but only work on this, meet up with whomever I
have to find in person just to make sure the stability of this

(03:35:33):
project stays iconic and hopefully expands far beyond
just being known as the moon Shot coin.
I I. I honestly just think the cat
that moons is just on its own really cool.
As long as you have great minds behind it to promote it like a
business, I don't see why it couldn't just take off and

(03:35:54):
remain a meme forever. Can you do it without declaring
war on the other memes? So I was raised in Bobo land and
the 4 Chan place and I mean I know I have a very stupid.
Bear should not declare war. You know the world and it's,

(03:36:19):
it's very hard for me. I tried to hold back for the
sake of the community. I know I'm, I'm trying, I'm
trying to be the support, the glue that we need.
It's, it's hard for me. I'm, I'm trying to settle down.
I hope I didn't deter too many people.
I hope I've attracted more than I've pushed away.
Hey man, some people like that shit for real.

(03:36:41):
Yeah, like I was in Gig. I mean, I'm in Giga.
Like there was a point in time where they just literally called
everyone retarded on the timeline.
Yeah, it's like that energy, man.
Like right you, you have the PER, like you have the perfect
Bobo bear energy like you can also.
Try to be a nice guy if you're you know, if that's not you,
like be who you are, because it also will make it harder to keep

(03:37:02):
making the content if you don't align with it spiritually.
You know what I'm saying? You want to go out there and say
everyone fucking suck my balls. This is the best coin and do it
you know. It also is giga chat energy and
just in a different way. Like it's just a market market
style meme of it. It's like if Giga chat was

(03:37:22):
dressed as a bear telling everyone they're going to 0
dude. I have.
Hold on. Here's my point though.
Here's my point though. Here's.
My point? Gabin brought this.
Gig at It's literally what he. Does if I took Ray's approach,
if I adopted that right? And if and if others did too?
Mood cat doesn't survive the night.

(03:37:44):
So I don't understand the you know, when a little kid comes up
to you and starts like punching you in the leg, you know, and
you're just like, I can punt youacross the room.
That's like, it's like, why are you doing that?
You're like, like I've, I've seen people in moon cat get
really angry when like whales ofother communities are like, keep

(03:38:05):
fucking around, keep talking shit, see what happens.
But it's like, you can't have itboth ways.
You can't be like, we're like, we're rough and we're scrappy
and like we're, you know, we're declaring war.
But it's also like, don't you know, don't fight us?
So it's like, which one is it? What do you which one do you
want? That's, that's a great, you

(03:38:25):
know, analogy that you're bringing.
Yeah. If you're trying to piss other
people off. The, the way I'd like to go
about it, I suppose, is, is it afunny narrative to rally behind
in the 1st place? I mean, what I've been posting
for the last year is in the Bobocommunity, very strictly, I, I
was only making posts within theconfines of that ecosystem.

(03:38:48):
I was looking at every meme thatwasn't a market meme.
And I was just thinking to myself, honestly, it doesn't, it
doesn't belong as a, as a coin, as something to be tokenized at
all. I in fact, I, I really think the
whole myriad approach, and this is just from my perspective, is
that you're giving everybody thechance to fight in the
battlefield. But really, 99% of the million

(03:39:11):
plus coins that's ever been created will die, and there will
be a few select coins at the endof it all.
Will will that. This cycle or will it be in
20-30? Well.
You got to get this tattooed on you, dude.
You just got to get this chart. I mean, that's what he's
describing. He's right.
I mean, Ray is correct. I drew this by hand, by the way.
I mean Ray is correct. Please proceed.

(03:39:33):
Yeah, So, yeah, interesting context.
I'm, I'm trying to read the gritty details of this, but this
just visually looks like my whole entire narrative that I'm
running with. Yeah, it is so, So yeah,
obviously we're getting up to this point and your ad was fair
with everybody, but as being like the the godfather of
everything, obviously he's probably going to win in the

(03:39:55):
end. He gave everybody the chance and
now it's like come back to him. It's kind of like AI could do
like a Jesus Christ analogy withthat almost.
Kind of funny, but I I genuine II genuinely do believe that a
lot of these meme coins, I see that they're trendy.
Like this is my opinion about MOG, right?

(03:40:16):
I'm using this as example and nobig immense hate about MOG.
But I gotta be honest with you, like I I would rather be a bear
talk. I can shit on everybody for like
the next 10 years, 20 years, however long I'm alive, then
talking about mogging here. Mogging.

(03:40:37):
I don't know. It's just like teenage boy
energy, TikTok energy. It doesn't resonate with me,
right? And it's my, it may resonate
with other people, but in my opinion, I, I'm trying to look
past that and conjure whether ornot it's going to survive years.
Hold on, hold on. I think what's going to survive?
Years hold on wait you who you dress up like if Justin Bieber

(03:41:03):
became a drug dealer that is that is that right laughing or
who is no I mean hold on I'm I'mjust he he knows he does right
like this is the. Chat wants the Bobo Turkey.
Hold on. Like, but you know, the whole
the whole get up. That's that's that is mature,

(03:41:26):
but mogging that's immature. So you're not shooting for the
teenage boys. You're shooting for the slightly
older teenage adolescence. Like, I don't understand.
I don't get it. How is how is what you're
offering any more mature, maturethat you're using your words
than mogging? How is explain that to me?
I I don't know if it like I said, it's it's my opinion

(03:41:49):
personally, but I don't think Mog is as iconic to last more
than 10 years. I I think the Bobo character is
OK. My my point, yeah, my point is
not about that. My point is just that you said
that it's like immature. Objection.
Yeah, right. You're getting lawyered.
So dude. I've been here before.
Objection. If if that's your, what is your

(03:42:11):
objection Rex? Objection.
OK, objection. That just sounded right.
Oh, OK. You're, you're saying that yeah,
objection, object objection witnessed non responsive.
That wasn't my question. My question was that if the MOG
is too immature, then how is what you're offering more mature
and how much more? Mature is it I, I don't think

(03:42:31):
it's about maturity. You know, I'm not necessarily
like the person that stand up for being mature And I, I, I
genuinely just think I don't know how many people are
watching. I shouldn't say it, but I don't
like MOG and I don't think that a lot of other people are going
to remain liking it for more than 10 years, but I do think

(03:42:52):
they like the idea of joining the culture to make money off
it. Maybe this cycle.
But I could be wrong, right? That's just my opinion.
What does this have to do with MOG?
I was using it as an example. I think the Bobo character is so
iconic it's going to last a lifetime.
Bobo. I think every meme should.
About Bobo though. Yeah, I'm just saying I think

(03:43:12):
every meme should strive to lasta lifetime.
Or, you know, why build a community around it if the
community doesn't want to rally behind it for a lifetime?
OK, let me ask you this then. See, here's the problem.
You see, Rex, this is where he fucks with me a little bit
because, because, no, because he, if you actually listen to
what he's saying, it's it's, it's what's the word in English?

(03:43:36):
Like it's, it's very intelligent.
Like it is, it's it, but it's intelligent.
Isn't the isn't the word. It's, it's like he has clear
sight about this. Like he's, he sees like I'm not,
I'm not dealing with a troll, you know what I mean?
So, so I can hear that you're like you, you're having like
real thoughts about this. But like, it's like, it's like,
it's like, OK, so you've reachedthat conclusion.
But then it's like at the same time that you're saying what

(03:43:58):
you're saying about Marat's thesis and how it's going to
like the way you extrapolate from that.
Good. I, I'm with you there 100%.
But then it's like we're declaring war on everyone and
also no one's allowed to declarewar on us.
Which is it? No, I didn't say nobody could
declare war on them. OK.
OK, so you're telling me the holders in the community don't

(03:44:21):
all fall apart and cry the second people start saying hey,
I don't, I mean, come on, come on.
If if they do, you know that's that's on them.
It's it's my job to tell them it's fine.
Did. You not make a video with my
face on it specifically because of what I said.

(03:44:44):
I I don't actually, I forget ourbeef.
What? What did you say?
I don't know. I don't remember the beef it
was. Oh, right.
So yeah, not. The new SPX, because SPX.
Oh no, that was after. I don't know.
I I just said that this is crazy.
I don't, I don't remember. I wish I remembered.
I don't even think we have beef.I think we had a disagreement
and then we've solved it. I can't stop looking at rect in

(03:45:08):
the Turkey. I mean if.
We to moderate. To be honest, you know, if, if
we don't bring it up again, thenit doesn't exist because the
tension only existed between us.But you know, I already respect
you now that I've seen, you know, what's your stand for, for
the APU's? I think APU is one of the
greatest means of all time. It's like, no wonder why you're
here. I think we're all aligned under

(03:45:28):
similar energy. I, I say similar, not exactly
the same because obviously you do.
I have a problem with how I approach things on wanting to
take down everybody. I, I don't genuinely believe
that. I just do think there will be an
inflection point. Like I, I think we agree with
each other, but maybe it my I speak with hyperbole and I'm
exaggerating the the extraction point to the degree that it

(03:45:50):
might trigger some people. But I genuinely do think most
memes will die off if they don'tstrive to be a brand.
And if they do strive to be a brand, I hope you chose a really
good narrative that will last inthe in the ecosystem of crypto
forever. I agree with you.

(03:46:13):
We agree. Yep, no lies detected.
We agree. Yeah, that is where the Bobo's
and the APU's synchronize right there, 100% on that.
It's just different energy, different memes, different

(03:46:35):
energy. You know, I think that's that's
kind of what all was going on here.
What was the comment down there?He.
Said Anon is definitely a troll.He wouldn't make a video with
your face on it, but he did, which is OK, I can.
I told, you know, I think I toldyou this Ray.
I think I said I was flattered, right?
Is what I how I responded? With this popular as you're

(03:46:55):
going to get, there's going to be a lot of those though.
I don't number one, I don't knowthat that's true, but #2 it's
like you. Won't get popular.
I have 6000 followers like let'snot.
I did too, and then it jumped upand then I had a lot of faces
on, well, bare faces. That's the thing.
Maybe. I mean, you put yourself out

(03:47:16):
there, though, that's very respectable too.
Like you are not afraid. You come on here and it's just
look at David. Look at David too, man Like, oh.
My gosh. The shit I don't know, I think
like like you. I don't even know if like what's
your disagreement that y'all twohad was even really, I don't

(03:47:37):
know it was over like moon cat or like a coin or a thesis or
whatever, but. It was honestly like in
hindsight it was kind of stupid,but it was really like it was
genuinely just have some fuckingrespect because it felt
disrespectful as fuck, which in hindsight to me feel stupid of
me to even care about that much.But it was the fact that there

(03:47:59):
were so many APU's attached to it and so I.
I saw, yeah. Yeah, all.
Right. Yeah, So it's like it was like
I, I, I was very, I was sensitive to it for two reasons.
The first one was that, oh, thisis about to get interesting.

(03:48:22):
The first one is that, Hey, David.
Brecht, are you being healthy orhostage?
I am a Turkey and a McDonald's. There's just is there, is there
like a some something going on? Like there's a what's?

(03:48:43):
No, I'm just I I came to check on your well-being because you
know, Blue likes the whole. People, David's just mad that
you did my show before you did his let's.
Look at me. Look at my eyes.
I mean, look at me. It'll look like I'm being a
hostage right now. I swear to God, if I could do
that like I would totally be anonymous and and and go like
with this whole. That's what I was just about to

(03:49:04):
say because. Why can't you?
I think Blue, you're going to your account's only going to
grow more and more and more. And that's why I was referencing
David because man, David, he haslike groupies, like or just
hater groupies that are constantly attacking him 24/7.
And I just, I don't know, like it's just it's only up from here

(03:49:28):
is what I'm trying to say. It's a wonderful experience.
They started Dming me too. There's this one guy, I won't
say his name because I think he's actually crazy.
He DM me and he's like, I actually I want to read to you
what he said to me, David, because it was it was actually I
think I sent it to you, didn't I, where he was like I.
Don't know. We don't talk, man.
He. Who?
You and I. After you got that one, you got,

(03:49:50):
you know, 'cause I don't do a lot of podcasts.
You got the first podcast out ofme and then you're just like,
yo, you left me on red. I left you on red.
Just like your cardigan. Do you?
You don't have any shame at all,this motherfucker.
I had to. Wow, wow.
I quintuple texted you first. Got.
A. Guest, you're not a You're on my

(03:50:11):
show more than you're on your own at this point.
You're not a guest, you're a roommate.
At this point, I. I.
Quintuple texted you, Quintuple texted you, and he didn't answer
me back. Unbelievable.
Yeah, it's kind of like stalker vibes.
So I kind of. Me.
At first, at first I left him onred and now?
You're the you're the type to put a bowl in somebody's mouth
and leave him in the basement. Pulp Fiction.

(03:50:31):
What? What?
Do you objection? Yeah, objection and also like
someone. No, no, I'm talking about like a
bowl. About his bowls.
I'm saying a bowl like Pulp Fiction or You weren't.
I forgot you weren't born. Never mind.
This is the under 30. There's a this, this senior

(03:50:52):
citizen stream is later tonight.Actually, it's tomorrow morning
about 7:00 AM when you have lunch.
Do you know if I shaved I'd lookyounger than you?
Prove it man, prove it. Prove it, man.
Prove. It training so I can't shave.
You're training. Yes, I grow out the beard when
I'm training and then when I take a day off I shave.
What the fuck are you talking about?

(03:51:13):
What are you training for? Well, I like you OK, because I
don't know what the fuck you're doing with your training because
you're saying I'm a I'm losing weight, I'm eating this meat.
I'm like, man, all of this is suspect right now.
No Diddy, but you're like. I I need to that's my behind
this. I'm by the way can.

(03:51:36):
I say something to you, Rick. I think like I'm trying to think
of like, who would you be? I say Chris Jericho or Seth
Rollins like because they they're trolls.
Yeah. So and I and I say that I
actually love them. I think you're the biggest troll
on the planet, in a good way. I love the.

(03:51:57):
Way you troll. Yeah, you do.
You troll with classical music? I've never seen that.
That's psychotic. If you think about it, Wreck is
on there trolling with jazz music.
It's kind of. It reminds me of Silence of the
Lambs, it really does. Larry's.
There you go, Chad. Do you not agree, Chad?

(03:52:22):
WS or no? Someone said that you somehow
came back looking ashier than when you left.
Who said that shit? I you know, they said it.
Hold on. There we go.
The A train's a hater. See like this.
The here's, here's the thing, man, here's the thing.
I'm laughing because trading, Benjamin said.

(03:52:44):
I don't know who's that directedtowards Razor Ramon.
I can see Rekt Takashi being Razor Ramon, I could see.
Scott Hall, I do, I channel a lot of Scott Hall.
Like that's like the Bobo meme itself is just so like WWE
inspired, like heal inspired. Like I get a lot of inspiration
from, you know, heal promos and stuff like that.

(03:53:06):
Just like those villains, like Scott Hall.
Razor Ramon for sure. I love, honestly, I love heels.
I hate like, I, I, I honestly like, I don't.
I hope Cody Rhodes turns heel. Like I don't know what they're
doing. He should turn heel and turn his
hair from blonde to black. He lives here in He lives here
in Atlanta. Cody Rhodes.

(03:53:26):
Oh, that's true. That's true.
Yeah, he does. Dusty Rhodes.
Yeah, we should talk about SummerSlam.
You saw him at QuikTrip? Yeah.
Whoa, that's cool. David, what do you think of what
do you think of Moon Cat? I think.
I think. Of Moon Cat.

(03:53:47):
Moon Cat. Does the cat moon?
Because David, I think. Not right now.
He's Cat. Pern.
I think the cat. Will Pern.
I think the. Cat will, I think.
I think I you know what it is I'm very attracted to.
Cats, I know, but this is about.Crypto.
No, I fucking hate cats. But I will say that what I like

(03:54:08):
about that community is that they don't shut the fuck up.
And like now they're putting like they're taking my pictures
and they're putting like, like they're replacing my eyebrows
with cats. Like it's just, I fuck with that
kind of shit. I like that.
I fucking like that shit. I like when a community's active
because down the line they become a cold.

(03:54:29):
You know when this is the thing with Bobo, right?
I remember when I was out there and I was doing spaces about
Bobo consistently and I was likescreaming like you fucking
morons. You're stuck in the telegram and
you're just talking to each other.
Get out the telegrams. And like, there was one guy, I
forgot his name. He was ripping me apart.
He hated me. He was.

(03:54:50):
Wrecked. That was wrecked.
No, it wasn't wrecked. Wreck probably does.
Wreck was like how do I get thismotherfucker out the community
like but he was like silently saying it, but this guy was
loud. He was in the telegram just like
ripping me apart. How dare he talk about us this
way. We're propping up the I'm like
we need to be doing this on XI need troops.

(03:55:11):
I'm getting attacked. But like to compare Bobo's
community to when I joined in tonow.
It's like night and day. It's crazy man.
I would not fuck with the Bobo. I'm telling you right now, I
would not fuck with the Bobo. Community, I've lost control.
I've lost control. You have.
It's out of my hands. It's out of my hands at this

(03:55:32):
point, it's gone. And like, they're crazy, like.
Wreck will pour kerosene on the fire.
Like he comes in out of nowhere and he's just like.
Yeah, I'll just like, I'll just do like that one cryptic tweet
and I'll just like, yeah, yeah, that's it.
Let's fucking keep going. I like memes are.

(03:55:54):
Supposed to be you use memes like you're supposed.
What? What is this?
David is cheating on his Nigerian wiki cat holders, but
what are we? What?
You might can you? Can you give me a second here?
I just need to close the loop onthis for a second.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.
No, just give me one second. I like moon Cat Ray.
I think you're gonna be great inthis space.

(03:56:16):
I I've I've appreciated the support that APU has seen from,
from moon cat and and honestly that I personally have seen,
I've noticed it. It meant a lot to me and, and
I'm I'm bullish. I'm bullish for the both of us
men. Yes, I agree.

(03:56:36):
I don't believe you. Really.
Objection. I think you just say things.
Yeah, I think you just say things.
And then like after Reck and me are gone, you'll be talking some
other shit. You know, I think as the only
grown man who's cried on my stream, David, I think you are
entitled. Wow, when did I cry?

(03:56:57):
Wow. This is like, you know, this is,
you know, you're with somebody and This is why I don't open up.
This is why do they use it against you I think.
No, that was I'll be honest withyou.
I started tearing up. He got me to cry.
I was scared to watch that clip because I would have started
crying. No, it was.
It was. I just saw a little bit of it

(03:57:18):
and I was like Nope, I'm not Nope the.
Stream. Ended.
Dude, the stream ended. The first thing David says to me
is fuck you. You're like Oprah, making me,
making me cry. But I was afraid we were going
to get deep into some some talk like that about my past because
it can get, you know, I mean, there's a lot of things that

(03:57:38):
lead people in the crypto. Like, let's talk about your
past, Rick. Not right now.
I was I was going to go there with you rekt, but I.
We can do another one. For sure.
When you said that, I was like, oh, OK, well then I'm not.
We don't have to. We can.
Just what happened at 8 years old?
Oh, man, yeah. That was when we moved.

(03:58:01):
We moved. They packed up EU Haul and we
moved, you know, across the United States to the middle of
nowhere. And I was like, why did we do
that, you know? And then it was just a terrible
time. 8 years old. Eight years old.
The wrestling. Thing why are you single?
Here we go. What the fuck are you and why

(03:58:21):
are you and and what are the what do you have tattooed on
your arms yo and why do you havea ring on your index?
Can you do? Me a thing can you do?
First of all, I know you know nothing about exercising.
This is an aura ring, right? It gives me all the stats.
Yeah, you got to, I don't know what kind of watch that.
Definitely. That's a bootleg Canal Street
Apple Watch. It's an Apple Ultra 2, what the

(03:58:41):
fuck are you talking? About I don't believe that.
I don't believe it. Not on the salary that you get
anyway. I'm a fucking.
Attorney. What the fuck that?
Supposed to mean. You won one case bro.
Like, what'd you win, $3? Yep, exactly.
Actually 2 1/2. See, there you go.
Or a ring Or a ring. OK, I think it was $500.

(03:59:02):
Some shit like that gives you all your vitals.
That's. Cool.
And I just wear it on my hand, right?
And I go to sleep. It tells me if I if I almost
died or not. Like a lot of things.
Hey, a lot of things happening with this ring.
I need to get one second. Stop asking me out live on
television. Consistently.
I've never, not once, asked. You out, you're flirting with
me, your true colors are coming out OK and your face looks like

(03:59:24):
your shirt. And what was the third thing
that you asked me? So the questions were why are
you single? Why do you have a jewelry on
your fingers that's not your ring finger?
And what do you have tattooed onboth your forearms?
I have. Just show me the letters.
I can read them, I just need to see them.
Why would you need to see what Ihave tattooed on?

(03:59:45):
I have a tattooed on my body. Would you?
Would you like to see the tattoo?
That's close to my balls? I don't need to see your tramp
stamp, I just want to see what'son your forearms.
Why don't you? Well, obviously you didn't do
enough research, video research on me like you did with Murad
when you up his ass. OK, so maybe just playback one

(04:00:05):
of the streams where I'm going like this and my tattoos are
just out there and then start toread them.
One arm says safe, the other says moon.
There you go. Oh Oh my God, vomit.
I hate Steve Moon. Oh my God I hate Steve Moon.
I was trying to explain safe moon a little bit.
You just had to be there for it though, I think like it was a it

(04:00:29):
was crazy. It's just I don't know if.
You can see this look, it says Canal Street.
It says made in Chinatown. It doesn't say made in China.
I know what Canal Street watch when I see one.
I. Don't know what that even means.
Is that some like New York stuff?
By the way, we're going to film an episode of Pont Talk live in

(04:00:49):
New York. I've invited him to come out and
do a one on 160 minute show. You didn't say it was 60
minutes. You want me to fly all the way
to New York for 60 minutes? Where would my time is?
Precious. In New York?
Where would it be at New York? Montauk.
Or like what like are you going to do in like Times Square or

(04:01:10):
something like I don't. No, no Montauk.
I live out in like the at the end of the island.
So OK, I would invite him. Obviously he wouldn't fit in,
but I would say he's my retardedcousin.
And we would sit down and look at laugh.
It's OK, I'm I'm fucking with you.
It's it's The New Yorker in me. OK, I can't hold back.

(04:01:32):
It's amazing. Can't hold back?
That's amazing. I've said you had the most
talented up and coming cat. OK, that streams now.
I don't know where you know if if you go to the next level I'll
be happy to see it, but I've seen a lot of you guys talented
and then after a few shows you fizzle out.
Like gains I've. Been here a long time.

(04:01:53):
Oh man. You see them all come and go.
Oh yeah, I see them all come. I think I've seen them all go.
It's. Tough.
You like watching you? Wouldn't know about monster
mound, would you? It's a.
Multi cycle thing it's. Tough, but I do have you on
video saying you like watching men come.
What? You just said that.

(04:02:13):
You just, you just said that. I think I don't know what it
means to level up. How do I level up from here,
David? And also how does Ray level up
too? He's he's here with me.
Who's Ray? Bobo Anon I don't even know if
he's still here. Bobo, are you still here?
Or Ray, are you still here? Who is Bobo Anon?

(04:02:33):
It's OK, I don't think he's here.
Bobo Anon, the one and only. Is that the guy with the with
the lizard all over his neck? Yep.
That's the guy who started who made me hate Moon Cat and then
made me love Moon Cat. You know yo, who's a train?
I swear to God, a train. You can get these hands bro.

(04:02:55):
Like I swear it's a train anyway.
Only between the hours of 5:00 AM and 2:00 PM though.
I'd like to go ahead and do somebreaking news.
ESPN has now signed the contractwith the WWE to showcase the
major events for the WWE like Summer Slam and WrestleMania
and, and I don't know what else.I only watch those two.

(04:03:17):
I don't really. Hell, what?
What else? Wreck you wreck.
You're good with this. Oh man, they got hell in a cell.
Survivor Series, Elimination Chamber, Royal Rumble.
I keep going. OK, how am I backlash?
I used to go to the video store to get the tapes.
Yeah, I think they're going to make people pay for the pay per
views again, yeah. Well, David, you're really good

(04:03:38):
at breaking news. Have you considered doing it on
your show? Have you considered doing like a
show and? Being wow, this guy, this guy
really doesn't watch it. Wow.
Oh, you that you couldn't, you. You can't miss the joke that you
know that much. So OK, so what's the next level?
What's the next level? What content creation?

(04:03:58):
Yeah, whatever the hell you you said it.
I don't know. What did you mean when you said
it? Well, you know, REC did say it.
It's hard, you know, when it's nice during the bull run, but
when the bear strikes, you know,you need to make sure that you
have the content to, to get through it.
And you're going to have, you know, less people here.
You know, I don't know about having less people on my chats,

(04:04:19):
but you'll have less people herebecause you know, unless you're,
you know, you got to start talking about maybe some
politics and sports. I don't know, just cram it in a
little bit, you know, while you talk about a pool all day and
how you have A and a pool doll that you hump.
But. You say you're talking, I'm
just. Saying oh.
There he is. See, I told you, Rex, I'm not

(04:04:40):
kidding. But you know, I no, I just, you
got to be consistent. You got to show up every day.
It's it's you know, it's hard. Look, I didn't age, so you know,
but you might. I don't know your DNA, I don't
know your genetics. I don't know if you're, you
know, you might be bold by the end of this run.
I don't know. I, I that's, that might be true,

(04:05:01):
but I don't think I'll have anything to do with this.
It'll be the fact that I'm an attorney full time and then I
come home to this, I think. There we go with the attorney.
Like, you know what, you scare everybody off your chat by
saying you're an attorney. You know that, right?
No, I don't. You do.
You came to my space, my morningshow.
You came to my morning show and you said you're an attorney.
Half the stage left, half the audience left.

(04:05:25):
You know, do you think any othercrypto dev in the space would do
you know a interview with a lawyer?
Tell that to everyone that callsus a scammers.
Why not? You know I'm.
Like the easiest or they. Why not though?
Yeah, by the way, because Reck was talking about this on his
live stream. So I want to add something to

(04:05:46):
this. I because, you know, these
crackheads started talking aboutBobo maps and and and oh, excuse
me, bubble maps. I call them Bobo maps, but
started talking about bubble maps on on Bobo and how Bobo
this and Bobo that. Look at the bubble maps.
So I went ahead and got in touchwith the CEOI didn't tell the
CEO about Bobo at all, OK? Because I wanted to make sure

(04:06:09):
like this was going to be super transparent.
And I tell this motherfucker hey.
And and like Rex said on his stream, what about Bobo?
And this dude is off guard. He puts in Bobo in it and he
says literally I said do you seeanything wrong with it?
He goes no, it looks pretty clean.

(04:06:31):
Yeah. Would you buy it?
I think I said would you buy it?I think I said that to him.
Would you, would you buy it or something like that?
But. Yeah, he was like, I can't
really, you know, he's not goingto openly start chilling or
promoting things, but he was like, it looks good.
That's all I'm going to say. And it's like, yeah.
So what my this, I'm going to say this about this space.

(04:06:54):
You know, I, I would say it was a lot of fun.
Ever since I've entered this space, it's been a hell of a
ride. But this cycle has been full of
virgins running around here. OK, why did you laugh?
Is that still the case for you? Or part of moo rattles.
Oh, David, you're so funny. That's part of my We were

(04:07:16):
talking about virgins earlier. Oh, OK.
You know what? You got a bunch of?
Hold on. Wait, what if I am though?
What's wrong with that? What if there are versions?
In the show, no, it's basically probably. 50% of your audience
David are likely virgins if they're under the age of.
I know that I know I have a lot of virgins that you know, follow
me. A lot I.
Didn't say there's any anything wrong with that.
OK, I'm I hope you know what theday that you de virginize

(04:07:41):
yourself. Let me know.
I'll send you a present. Anyway, what I would like to say
here is this cycle is weird. Instead of appreciating memes,
people who know nothing about 4 Chan, who know nothing about
meme lore or history are now dictating what is a real meme.

(04:08:03):
It's wild to watch. It's very wild to watch as I had
to dive deeper into the meme culture to understand meme, to
understand the memes. I've said this plenty of times,
it's repetitive, but I I wanted to sell Bobo.
I got into Bobo, held it for like 7-8 months.
I'm looking at my wallet. I'm like what is this?

(04:08:25):
Shit like a little. That was my reaction.
I was like, what is this fuckingshit?
It's not moving. It's dead.
So I'm literally, I, I'm tellingyou, I was seconds away from
selling it. But then I stopped and I was
like, you know what? Let me go ahead and ask this
guy. Casa.

(04:08:49):
You know that's the Casa, right?Holy.
Shit. So.
I think I'm in a space. I'm like I'm kind of yapping and
I think I'm, I'm like Sacasa. I got, I don't know what this
is. I got to get rid of it.
He's like, yo man. Do me a favor, Do me a favor
here. Just you could sell
motherfuckers. Do what motherfuckers want to
do. But do me a favor, dive into

(04:09:13):
meme culture, look into Bobo andyou'll see you see wobbles about
it. I was like, OK, you know what?
Let me dive deeper into meme culture because I've never done
that. I'm into memes, but I never
really went down deep into the little rabbit hole of memes.
And then after like 2 to 3 weeks, I'm like, holy fuck.

(04:09:37):
I did buy more immediately. Like a few days later I bought
more, but I continue to learn about it.
I'm like when motherfuckers say that Bobo is a forced meme, I'm
like, you're fucking retarded. When people like I had to
relearn this. I used to fight with APU.
When APU would attack me and I would post in the pool and say

(04:09:58):
it's Pepe. I would fight with people, be
like, that's Pepe. They're like, no, you know
nothing. It's on a pool.
And then you learn. Yeah, it is in A.
Pool. There's a difference.
I had to switch up my whole catalog and make sure I'll put a
Pepe folder was there and then apool folder was there.
By the way, I still have 27 people blocked from the pool

(04:10:20):
community and I will not pardon them.
And that goes way back to the Link Marine shit.
They know they stay banned. But when you go and you look
into the history of memes, you become really bullish.
You really become bullish on this entire sector and I believe
we will outperform these fuckingprotocols that have promised us

(04:10:44):
speed and lightning speed and fucking cross dressing.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to talkabout you.
I mean cross chains and parachutes and ZK roll ups for
nine years. We can finally, we can finally
maybe have the memes do that because memes are relatable and
memes can come become brands that people can understand.

(04:11:06):
And that's why I'm bullish on onthe memes when people ask me
what the fuck is wrong with you?I'm like, I'm bullish on this
because most of the Fortune 500 companies, they're fucking
memes. You know, GEICO because you
remembered the gecko, the gecko's, the meme, OK, Ronald
McDonald and crew, they're memesthat make you think about
McDonald's. OK, Like name all these Fortune

(04:11:27):
500 companies flow from progressive, a meme.
She's a meme now, right? We can continue on and on and
on, but these big time companies, they're all
surrounded by memes. So anyway, I'm off my soapbox.
Yeah, that's pretty much the same reaction I give people when
I hear them say like, you know, you know, they blow off APU or

(04:11:51):
they they blow off Bobo. And I'm like, wow, I've been
doing this for over a decade andthey've always been, you know, a
part of my life. And you're just saying that
they're not real. That's crazy for you here, even
like a year ago. What does it mean to say?
Because earlier I was like the real memes.
I don't know what that means. It's just like they've always

(04:12:13):
been a part of meme culture. Like memes existed before
tokens, like existed for them. We were just, I unironically, I
get it. I don't know, just posting the
memes and having fun. That was what CT really was.
We were just posting, you know, Bobo APU Pepe Wojack memes and

(04:12:34):
just like trading and we were just laughing about it.
When the price went down, we would post Bobo's price went up,
we'd post green Mojacks and we were just, they didn't have
tokens. They we were just using them to
express ourselves. You know, if you can use a meme
to express yourself and it has longevity, you know, then that I
guess that would be quote UN quote, a real meme.

(04:12:55):
I don't know. I just get pissed off at the
fact that Wreck doesn't get the respect and I'm not blowing
smoke up his ass because I'll tell it how it is whether I like
you or not. Wreck doesn't get, he does not
get the respect that he fucking deserves, OK?
Like instead of appreciating a fucking person showing up every

(04:13:17):
single day, red or fucking green, we have fucking
chihuahuas out here that do nothing but bark.
OK, instead of appreciate the art that rhyme, by the way, and
I will trademark that. But at the end of the day, that
is, that is true. It's true.
Like he shows up every fucking day.
I go into projects because of the people behind them.

(04:13:39):
So the only reason I love Bobo because listen, I got, you know,
European DNA in me, right? We love the bear in Russia,
don't we? I mean, we got fucking Khabib
wrestling with a goddamn bear, OK?
That's popular. That's right, bears are popular
man, Don't. Poke.
The bear bro. The bear is saying like, sorry

(04:14:00):
guys, go ahead. Or the bear market has existed
since the 1400s too, by the way,so.
That's a concept like conceptually.
I think so. That's nice.
I think the problem with saying real memes is that I think it's
actually shorthand. And what the phrase real memes
means in this, in this space, ismemes that can be good coins.

(04:14:23):
That's what that really means. Because conceptually, everything
is a meme. Everything can be a meme.
The question is what memes make good coins?
If you ask Landy, you'll get fuck all for an answer.
If you. I just don't look at memes as
like, real. I looked at memes as something
else before there was an incentive to tokenize them, is

(04:14:46):
what I'm trying to say here's. The thing though, sure, but
that's but but but OK. It's basically saying what,
you're not here for the money. And I'm like, no, I wasn't here
for the money. I was here a long time before
that. But wrecked.
When I was broke and making Pepeand bobo.
Memes but wrecked. If tomorrow man I need a new

(04:15:06):
camera, is it bugging for you guys too or is it just on my
end? Nah, I'm just weirded out how
you're holding that microphone. Oh man.
Killing me if tomorrow Warner Brothers OK.
I feel like I'm The Rock and you're like Mick Foley just
thinking about that. I'd like to be Jonah Hill,

(04:15:27):
actually, Or Jack Black if you're going to be the.
Rock, he doesn't get any Rock. He doesn't get any of these
references. So I'm trying to figure out
which like what, what, what? Tell me like your favorite
wrestler? Probably Scott Hall.
I mean, I, it really is like Razor Ramon.
I I loved Razor Ramon's kid and I love Macho Man.
I grew up with like Cena, Orton,Seamus.

(04:15:51):
Yeah. I love, I love Randy Orton.
I, I think he's, I think he's great.
I wish he didn't add so much fucking muscle.
I wish he'd like he was like, whatever.
I really like Bray Wyatt too. I like, I like the way like his
character was evolving. Bray Wyatt before he passed
away. So I was just going to, if it's
OK, if it's OK with the two, I was going to finish what I was
saying, go ahead. Nobody cares about what you were

(04:16:13):
saying, evidently. I wanted like the, the it's
shorthand because everything canbe a meme.
The question is what makes a good meme coin.
And the answer is up for debate.Like that's the conversation
we're all having currently. But if I did tomorrow, Warner

(04:16:34):
Brothers, What's that? Oh.
No, keep going. If tomorrow Warner Brothers or
Marvel or Disney say we are launching the Iron Man token. 0.
Here's the thing. Yeah, well, I think a lot of
people in this space would wouldhave that kind of reaction.
But if you could actually own, if basically you tokenized
characters and the IP to where you could actually own a part of

(04:16:56):
Iron Man, do you know how retailwould react to that?
Yeah, you seen what happened with Trump.
It's different. OK, how about Melania?
It's also different. We kind of have this with.
Kogan dropping the leg on us. We had this with fractionalized
NFTS too. A little bit like they tried to
turn NFTS. Different, different, different

(04:17:18):
because everyone. What is the most popular
superhero in the world? Batman, right?
Batman and Superman, which is the most popular in the world?
OK, I don't think Blue, I don't think you on the like.
OK, do you know One Direction wanted to come out?
You you've heard of One Direction?
I'm sure you danced to them at your prom.
I was 13 when they were a thing.Whatever.
Maybe at your graduation so I'm sure you had One Direction

(04:17:41):
posters. Oh my.
Yes or no? That looked like a yes, but I
won't say it no. I had a Justin Bieber poster.
I didn't have any. Why?
I don't know, It was like a it was like a meme.
Everyone drew all over it. The.
The character, the celebrities are different.

(04:18:02):
It's different. And also because they were not
launched by institutions, OK? They were launched by people who
wanted to rug. This would be the institutions
themselves launching the characters as another revenue
stream essentially, and a way toto, like I said, to tokenize and
give people a way to buy shares of the IP essentially.
Regular people will not get in because they think that crypto

(04:18:24):
kills the environment. I watched One Direction get
destroyed by their fan base. And what?
What are you referencing? They wanted to kind of like
launch an NFT and their entire, and they were huge at the time
and their entire fan base was like, Oh my God, you're
destroying their earth. So I tell you, like crypto got

(04:18:47):
so like politicized, like it wascrazy.
I don't know what happened between it was like 2018 to
2021. Something happened where you
know, like the liberals or like the Democrats really just turned
on it like it wasn't cool punk rock anymore.
Like, I don't know, something something happened.

(04:19:08):
Democrats are crazy. Well, a lot happened with the
Democrats between that time span.
Actually, they're not even Democrats anymore, I don't
think. Something else?
Not that crazy ass, liberal ass.I don't know.
They're crazy. They're fucking insane.
They, they want, you know, you know the problem with Democrats,
Democrats promised a lot of things, but they became, you
know what? The Democrats used to be cool,

(04:19:29):
right? They used to be cool.
They used to be able to work both sides of the aisle.
But now Democrats straight up have turned into everything they
said they wouldn't want to be. So like they're they're just
paid off by special interest. And look what they did to
crypto. They fucking destroyed crypto
for fucking four years. Destroyed it it.

(04:19:51):
Was rough hearing Gary Gensler FUD every day.
Oh my God, that was horrific. Every day on the timeline, Gary
Gensler, a new new public. Yesterday.
Oh, sorry Rick, I didn't mean tocut.
You off? Oh, go ahead.
Yesterday David came on here to whine about sorry to talk about
how bringing family and the bringing friends and he's

(04:20:12):
bringing friends and family about the four of them that he
has to into the space and that they're getting just rinsed and
destroyed and right back at you.And, and I asked him the
question, how do we fix this? He didn't really have an answer
for me. And what do you mean?
I gave you an answer, you just didn't fucking listen.

(04:20:33):
It's just trading. I think it's just trading.
Or I mean, I was, I was OK, I'llput it this way.
I was working a regular ass job and I was telling everyone
around me to buy Bitcoin at 3K and everyone laughed at me.
I was the Bitcoin guy. I was the, the dumb guy that,
you know, they were just like, well, this guy, he's going to be
working here forever. You know, like this McDonald's

(04:20:54):
background I got right now, you know, and nobody wants to buy
when it's not fun. Like, yeah, I can, I can tell
people all day long. I could tell them like I'd say,
hey, the best time to buy is when everything crashes and
everyone's telling you not to buy everything and they just
won't do it. They're like, no, I don't want
to do it. I can tell you this thing used

(04:21:14):
to be like this was Bitcoin. This thing used to be $60,000
or, and now it's trading it like18K or whatever it is like no,
don't want it. You know, it's just I think it's
more of just like a it's a society problem.
It just not everyone is just built a trait.
I don't know this is. I love this is my favorite

(04:21:39):
version of David. Mike muted.
Fuck you. I was saying.
The centralized world has everybody programmed to think
red is bad, right? Red means stop, green means go,
right? And that's when you look at the
market and you see red. You're just like, oh hell no,

(04:22:00):
I'm not going in. Right.
I didn't even think about it like that.
That's that's crazy. I'm fucked because I I think
red, I think Bobo, I think green, I think APU.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, so it's tough.
It's Hard Out Here for a Bobo. They're trying to they're trying
to manipulate you into not buying Bobo.

(04:22:20):
Wait, hold on, you don't own Bobo Blue of.
Course I do. OK, I just.
You guess the bear in the shame.Yeah, I was the first person to
do the the the bear magnet. I'd never thought about how
which came first. I'm interested now which came
first? Was it the trading or like, you

(04:22:42):
know, the whole red and green traffic lights and stuff like
that? The concept of stop and go,
which came first, the candles orthe traffic lights or just like
the whole concept to like manipulate people?
I'm wondering now. That's kind of crazy, I'm
telling you. The system is set up
psychologically. When you see red, you stop.

(04:23:04):
When you see green, you go. And that's the same thing that
you see on the chart. Oh my God, I'm not getting in.
It's red. Meanwhile, if you read, you
know, I have here books on upon books of some of the greatest
investors who've ever done it. Every single one of them says we
I buy in the red, sell on the green and we have retarded

(04:23:26):
people here that sell in the redand then buy the tops within the
charts. So and they've been here through
multiple cycles. You would think at some .0 I
know what I need to do. I need to buy in the red and
then scale out in the green because that actually doesn't
hurt the chart or the project when you scale out into the

(04:23:46):
green, but it does hurt the chart when you're scaling out
your entire position, and it hurts you as well when you're
scaling out in the red. Very easy to trade.
Trading is not that hard. I mean you just have to open 2
ears, one mouth kind of thing, listen to people who have done
it and then apply it. I don't know.
I have two things to say. The first one is, David, you
look like you're about to fall out of your chair.

(04:24:06):
The second thing is that I stilldon't have.
I still don't have an answer as to how.
How do we fix this? I told you.
You don't. I mean, it's like breaking the
matrix like some people do, somepeople don't.

(04:24:28):
That's. Really.
The way wrecked, Apparently thisis a this is a censored show.
So apparently the people, the people in the chat are saying
it's censored. We might be getting bleeped out
for everything that we're saying.
Wow, what a program. There's no censorship.
I don't know what they're talking about.
Have you ever been on 4 Chan? Because there's no censoring
there. I was yesterday for the.
First time I've seen it, yeah. You think Twitter's?

(04:24:51):
You think X is bad? Go on to 4 Chan.
I'm looking at biz right now, making sure you know if you do,
if there's anything on there. There's some bobinas, there's
some Bobo's, don't see anything too bad.
Why is the market? Why was the market red today?
I don't know price of that. Was it red for who though?

(04:25:14):
You. For a lot of people.
OK. I don't know, some people not
even lost. You out see that what you just
said is is the problem with the space.
You can make money on these typeof days and be in the green and
then you can make money in the green.
So I mean like you choose your path.

(04:25:35):
And I mean, Ethereum is trying to break a level.
It has never broke in what, fiveyears?
It's been trying to break 4K forfive years now, and it's just
hovering underneath right now. So it's trying and you're going
to get a lot of chop until then.So that's my analysis.

(04:25:56):
But the institutions are like, the institutions are buying,
like they are buying Ethereum and I feel it's being obviously
artificially suppressed and justyou're going to wake up one day
and Ethereum is just going to beripping.
I'm talking about ripping. And you're not going to know
what to go into. But there are a lot of people

(04:26:18):
that are here are set up in the right positions and then they're
going to need to chase. They can go into plays calm,
cool. I was about to say a line that
probably make me vomit, but theycan go into place calm and cool.
I think like that. Oh jeez, I said I didn't want to
say something. Here he goes.
Re elected, re elected or something like that.

(04:26:44):
Oh man, like really man Ethereumis the same thing with Bitcoin.
Like for years and years and years we never thought we would
see 100K Bitcoin. It was just like a, you know,
just a dream, like a, you know, pipe dream.
No one ever thought it was goingto happen.
And now it's sitting at 114K andit's just no big deal.
And you know, Bitcoin has crashed back to 114K today.

(04:27:07):
Like it's just, so to think Ethereum won't have its moment
is it's kind of making me feel like when I saw people fighting
Bitcoin all the time and saying it would never have its moment.
So with crypto, it's always expect the unexpected.
Pretty much no price target is really unattainable if you've
been here. Long enough.

(04:27:28):
Do you really believe we're going to end the fucking bull
run without Ethereum ripping past its all time high?
No, I think it's going to do something no one even expects.
I think it's going to go like, ridiculous.
I agree. Not even would not be surprised
if it even like I mean it has inthe past, it's pushed Bitcoin.
I mean it sounds crazy right now, probably because it's the

(04:27:49):
bottom and it hasn't sound too crazy in the past when Ethereum
was pushing Bitcoin to flip it. Any time you start hearing the
flipping talk and Bitcoin or Ethereum is pushing bitcoins
market cap, that's usually, you know, the top.
It has been top historically. I think what Bitcoin is at like
2 point something trillion and Ethereum is like what is it?

(04:28:12):
Not even half a trillion yet. So still got some ways to go.
I I think Ethereum does $10,000 minimum.
Yep, I think so too. I think it's, I think it always
goes higher than what people think too.
I think bitcoins going higher than what people thought.
Do you know what I think is happening in Wall Street right

(04:28:33):
now? Wreck.
I think people who missed out onBitcoin, and I'm not saying that
like they will stop buying Bitcoin, but I think people are
looking at Ethereum like, OK, especially like Tom Lee came out
on CNBC and he was like, and I know Landy hates Tom Lee, but I

(04:28:53):
don't know why. Maybe they got into a fight or
something. But he says like Ethereum is, is
the new or is the next Bitcoin kind of thing.
He said that Bitcoin is in 17. He said, listen, everybody said,
but he, he came out on national TV and said, Hey, Bitcoins going
to do big time numbers. It's going to hit 100 grand and
something like that. Now he's like saying, I'm

(04:29:15):
investing into Ethereum. I'm, I'm thinking that a lot of
institutions are taking their money besides investing into
Bitcoin. They're, they're saying, you
know what, Ethereum's at a really low price.
Let's get it. Yeah.
And these are the two assets that can make us money, Bitcoin
and Ethereum. Historically it's just it's so
undervalued compared to like previous cycles.

(04:29:36):
Right now it's just like a no brainer for them to to try to
push it. I don't know it will have its
moment. What do you think?
What do you think's a realistic target for Ethereum, David?
10,000. OK, wrecked.
I think that's minimum. No, I'm not going to say 8000
worst case scenario, no, I thinkit's 10,000.

(04:29:56):
OK. What do you think's a realistic
target like a top then for Ethereum this cycle?
I I honestly think you can do 16,000.
I yeah, I think my prediction was I think it hits 21 K like
Bitcoin did in 2017. It's just going to like mimic
it. Shit, shit, yeah.

(04:30:21):
It's just insanity, I think. I was about to say something.
I hold back. Because it I, it just, I don't
know, I think it'll do somethingcrazy because when FOMO hits,
you know, people just start slinging money like crazy.
You're going to see a lot of. But I think, I think retail is
going to go, this is the next Bitcoin.

(04:30:41):
Yeah, they can. I think that I mean.
Oh they did the same thing with XRP.
Yeah, but Ethereum has like a a.You're running around in 1617,
they said. I've I've heard this before,
people say this about every coinbut Ethereum.
No, but everybody, literally everybody jumped into it.
CNBC was propping it up. You had pomp, Pomp was Pomp went

(04:31:05):
on live and he tweeted out. If you think you've seen
everything with Bitcoin, wait until you see XRP Pomp I.
Don't know who that is, but you.Don't know who Pomp is?
I mean, I you're pompous. I don't know who Pomp is, but.
Anthony Pomp Liano, do you know who he is?

(04:31:26):
No. Landy's saying 18 to $20,000.
Look, you made rec leave. The the rec relief because of
you, you made REC leave. He left because of anyone.
He left because of you. Let's be very yeah.

(04:31:46):
I was I accidentally clicked on I was trying to go to coin gecko
because I wanted to see where that would put Ethereum at like
market cap wise if it hit something crazy like 20K.
David, do me a favor, take your right hand, grab the the center
of your back and just pull it down a little.

(04:32:09):
Bit what I don't. Even get it?
You have your, your, your, your.You look like hunchback because
that you're just pull it down a little.
Bit 40 billion. There we go.
Man, I don't know. That's kind of up there.
I'm just go ahead. I'm tripping.
I'm tripping on 20 maybe. I'm tripping on 20.
Bitcoin would have to be up at around 1,000,000 probably.

(04:32:30):
For Ethereum to get to 20 K. I'm thinking it's a lot of
money, man. It's a lot of money.
Not if Bitcoin dominance. I mean, I don't think that's
true. If Bitcoin flips, I mean let's
like big picture here, like if Bitcoin flips gold and stuff
like that, then it's totally I think no prices unattainable.

(04:32:53):
Well, I'm looking at if we look at what Bitcoin, like if we look
at gold's ETF and we look at bitcoins ETF and you and you put
them side by side that kind of moving in the same, in the same
way. So like this whole 4 year cycle,
shit like you can, I don't know,I feel like throwing it out the
window this time around because you got institutional players in

(04:33:14):
here for the first time really putting money into into the
markets, you know, So what, whatis this?
What is this 4 year cycle now? I'm just, I'm just putting it
out there. I know you guys are going to hit
me with all but this and I'm just saying like we haven't cut
rates. Like right now, check this out.
Like rates are not cut. How refuses to cut rates.

(04:33:39):
You got no tax cuts yet, even though it's past tax cuts are
not in effect, right? Nobody's printed money and
they're talking about $600 in tariff money that's not been
sent out to anybody. So like we, we're doing all
these numbers without any of that, no money printing, no
nothing. So I'm just saying once that all

(04:34:03):
those three things will happen, eventually those three things
will happen. And like, think about where the
market goes. If it's already here, where is
it going? And nation states are going to
get in and buy Bitcoin and Ethereum.
I think people forget about that.
These nation states are ready tobuy cryptocurrency and you'll
have more than just El Salvador buying Bitcoin.

(04:34:24):
You'll have others, especially in Latin American countries,
they'll start buying up, you know, to try to fix up their
economies. Watch, I'm telling you, man, I
think people are way too bearish.
By the way, if you looking for abear Bobo, but I think people
are way too bearish on you know,you're not you're not bullish

(04:34:47):
enough on what's going to happen.
Yeah, if. You want people just look at the
past cycles, past cycles past. Cycles, yeah, if you if you want
to be bearish by the bear coin there.
You go. I'm bullish on the bear.
Bullish on the bear coin? Stop shorting and buy Bobo,
you'll make more. By the way, like my message

(04:35:08):
still applies. Anybody who is selling Bobo, I
wish you nothing but a lifetime supply of gonorrhea.
Like I really hope, and I say this and I mean it, I hope you
get gonorrhea and I hope you getsyphilis.
I'm not joking. There's no reason to be selling
whoever it is, honestly. Whoever is suppressing, I really

(04:35:32):
do hope, I really hope you get massive diarrhea for the rest of
your fucking life. How do you even suppress A
crypt? Like how?
How does that even happen, logistically or practically
speaking? It's tough to do not.
I mean, Bobo's been almost out for it's going to be 3 years
here and coming up in May. So I mean, it gets tougher and

(04:35:53):
tougher. Bobo has been through a lot.
It's starting to gradually grindits way back up right here.
I'm looking at the chart right now.
Looking good. At some point it's going to
like, you know, you get these one or two fucking cock suckers
out and and we're going to blastoff.
I'm I'm fucking tired. You know what we we, What is it?

(04:36:13):
What does Sakasa say? What does it that motherfucker
say? The road.
With pain will be. Pace with pain or something?
Pace with pain mimetic magic. Magic.
I don't fuck with Sakasa man. With the mimetic magic ship bro.
I feel like if you sell one of Sakasa's like tokens that he
likes that he puts this fucking curse on you.

(04:36:37):
I'm telling you man. Bobo.
Curse I have a. Question for each of you.
I'd like your advice. As you know, I have.
A brochure in a way where it's not like you're being a stalker.
It's good advice. Don't show her your NFT wallet.

(04:36:57):
I won't show her my actually. Don't show her.
No, don't. Don't.
Don't do that. As you know, I'd be like, look
at these frogs. Look at these NFTS.
As you know, Murad Part 2 is happening in exactly 7 days.
Yes. Now I'm leaving wreck.

(04:37:18):
It was nice chatting. With you.
Why? Really nice chatting with you.
You know, I definitely wreck. You know, I've said this so many
times. I think you're a fucking G and
like you're the ultimate troll and nobody recognizes that.
Like you are using the memes that troll the fuck out of

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people and you're not being spiteful.
Yeah, but people are using Bobo as its intended to be used and
it's fucking great to watch and people don't even get it
themselves when they use them. And being shot, chopped up, you
know, throwing off a Cliff. I'm like, yeah, that's what we
do on every. For the last couple weeks, why
am? I not allowed to ask for y'all's

(04:37:59):
advice? What the fuck is that?
About but thank you so much Wreck and I'm sure you can
continue this conversation with Blue as he continues to blow
Maraud on that note Blue Man, I hope that you have a I've.

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Oh my goodness. The best part is he doesn't know
he was muted. That's the best part.
You know what? You know what?
I. Think he does.
He didn't. Think he knows you hit that mute
he. Didn't know dude.
It was like spaces. That was amazing.
He had no idea. No, you don't deserve.

(04:38:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on.
The. Show I want to go and I want to.
Go. If you can't fire me, I quit.
David spaces, the morning spacesare crazy up there.
Though I love those dudes. I just listen.
I love them on stage. I went on stage one time by
accident and he was like blue, what do you think?
And I was like, what? And.

(04:39:02):
Why raise your hand like you're an idiot?
I wanted to say hello. You're like the rest of the
people that raise their hands. I bring them up to like I'm
like, So what do you think aboutthis topic?
Well, I didn't, I didn't think Iwould be picked like what the
fuck? Then why do you raise your?
Hand, I came to say hello. Don't.
Don't you know my number? You don't need to fucking come
and say hello. To Guardian, I came to to fuck

(04:39:24):
with Guardian. I, I, you know what?
You wouldn't do that to Marad. So you know what?
I'm fucking leave. Damn it.
Man, I love David. I really.
Do that to Marad. No, he's great.
You know, he, he can dish it out, but he can take it too.

(04:39:47):
And I mean that in every way that he can imagine it, because,
you know, he's watching right now.
Pause. Yep.
No, so he really, he really is like.
Man, he takes a lot. Just pause.
He's like he's. Like he dishes it out too.
But I mean, yeah, it's just, it just comes with the territory,

(04:40:08):
like if you want to especially crypto man, like if you want to
be like the, you know, the main hub just for like commentary and
stuff like that. I mean, just look at the space
like the way it is. It's just you're going to,
you're going to get it like thrown at you in all different
types of directions. Well, first of all, I hope that

(04:40:28):
when I'm 60, I look like him, you know, but but also like, you
know, I, I've, I've, I've talkeda lot about, about the way Murad
moves and not, you know, the wayhe doesn't react.
But the truth is, is that David is, is, is that and he has
others that are other qualities that I think, I think to myself

(04:40:50):
a lot that if by the end of my journey I'm anything like David,
I will be very proud of myself. And I really, I really do look
up to him. So I think that's awesome that
he, I'm, I'm very grateful that he came in and stopped by, even
even though he didn't, you know,he didn't want to eclipse
anybody. To still have that much hair
after as many cycles as he's been through is a testament.

(04:41:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.
A real thing. But right before we before we
wrap it up, because as it turns out, I can't just can't run into
to tomorrow. Yeah.
What if you had AI Suppose you could just DM him?
He would, He would. He would come on your show if
you invited him. But what question would you ask

(04:41:32):
Murad? What kind of question would I
ask Murad? How do you plan to sell?
This is what Gaines he said. This is my bear and he said.
He's he's answered this questionso many times though.
It's the thing. It's The funny thing.
What does he say? So he says two things.
Number one is that he sees a lotof these coins as multi cycle

(04:41:53):
coins. OK.
Which I think if I my Green Man is great, a higher conviction,
my Redman is. That's your way of saying I'm
not selling and but you guys. But if it doesn't go up, don't
panic. It's just next cycle, right?
The so that's like that's that'show I see that that that

(04:42:15):
statement has several functions that it performs.
But then he says that when things reach the level that he
knows they're going to reach, he#1 won't sell all of his
positions, but that he won't sell until there's a moment
where him selling won't affect the chart.
He wants to respect the chart ornot the chart, but respect the

(04:42:36):
holders. He doesn't want to like nuke on
anyone or use anyone as exit liquidity.
So he's going to sell a little like early ish.
Or if I say early ish, it's not that he's selling early, it's
that if he believes it will continue growing, that's when
he'll sell, right? So he's positioning it as like,
don't take my selling as the topmarker.

(04:42:57):
That's not what it is. Well, it's like if he if his
thesis actually played out like even half halfway to become
true, he'd have so much money that, you know, even just
selling a little bit would be a few million.
You know, like just I don't eventhe chart would be so crazy by
then. I think you could probably just

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sell a million and the chart wouldn't even like feel a thing.
And by the way, and that's what he says and by the way, I think
that if he were more concerned with the optics of this, he
would say that. He would say that when we get to
where we're getting, I don't need to sell it.
I he can say I don't have the kind of greed that maybe these
traders do. I won't, if I have 1%, I won't

(04:43:41):
need to sell .1% or .01% to live.
And I think if I'm a rod at whatafter a certain amount of money,
I care a lot more about the legacy of my, of my contribution
more than an extra 5060, a $100 million.
There's other ways he can profitoff of the supply without

(04:44:02):
selling it too. Like if he even added it to
liquidity poles and got revenue fees or put it on yield or just
like there's lots of different ways he can cook that without
selling it, right? Especially if he owns like a
really substantial amount of thesupply.
He could just, I don't know, there's a lot of different ways

(04:44:23):
he could do it. That's what like a lot of people
don't really realize. If you own a large percentage of
like a coin or something, you can add it to like liquidity
poles and get trading fees and you're missing out on a lot of
money there. I saw like Harry Potter, Obama,
Sonic 10, ENU, when they transferred their liquidity pool

(04:44:46):
to I think it was like V3 and they started receiving some of
those like trading fees, basically doing what, you know,
these launch pads are doing withlike creator fees.
That is pretty much what Murad could do with his supply by like
kind of like locking it and likelocking in a liquidity pool.

(04:45:06):
But like, you know, things like that.
There's a lot of different ways to do this, so he doesn't really
have to just nuke the chart. If he did that, it'd be pretty
damn bullish. If he nuked the chart.
No, no, not Nuke. The.
Chart but figure out a way to toget I guess Ethereum off of his

(04:45:27):
supply holding through trading fees and stuff like that.
Yeah, I don't and I don't think,I don't think he will have.
By the way, again, if we get to where we're getting, he could
sell such a small fraction percentage wise for so much
money. And at that point, let's not
forget, OK, let me state the obvious about Maraud.

(04:45:48):
At his heart through his training, by training, he's a
trader. That's what he is at his core.
That is what he is and what's fashioned is the ultimate
trading device which is non trading.
But the he will be able to take the however much he ends up
taking, which won't disturb anybody and he'll be able to

(04:46:10):
turn #1 by itself that's a fortune, but #2 he'll be able to
do whatever the fuck he wants with it in start-ups, in Angel
investing in VC and wherever or to what he wants to do I imagine
is fuck off somewhere in the mountains, start a family and
live in peace. That's what I would do.
Yeah, I mean, how much does he already have?
Is it like his 54,000,000? Yeah, 54,000,000.

(04:46:31):
I was like, how much do you really need?
You know, like. And he's not greedy, he's not
materialistic. Yeah, like really, I mean, and
this is, you know, if Ethereum did end up hitting those insane
price valuations, like 10K20K, that number would be man, he'd
be, I don't want to say a billion, but he'd be getting up

(04:46:54):
there, you know, with that portfolio and you know, how much
do you really need to sell at that point?
At that point, everyone would berich.
And I don't really know if they would care if you.
So they'd be like, take it bro, you got everyone rich off this
trade. You deserve it.
Sell. He has multiple wallets too.
And I'm sure there's a ton that are not docs, by the way.

(04:47:16):
Yeah, yeah, especially, yeah, for sure.
Because you know, that is another thing with these coins
that go on these massive runs, they get control.
They control the supply, you know, they these coins are
trading at low valuations and they're like, oh, we're going to
we're going to come in here, we're going to get a bunch of
supply and we're going to send it.
That's pretty much what the gameplan was with the SPX 2.

(04:47:37):
It was trading very low, but then they kind of like cornered
supply and then sent in this whole, you know, the whole blue
red thesis thing kind of took off, got a life is life of its
own, that type deal. I would just ask him, maybe ask
him. That would be really interesting
for me to ask him if he knows how to maybe profit without

(04:48:01):
selling profit without selling the coins.
Because I feel like a lot of people don't really understand
that much in crypto or it's a, it's a very untalked about thing
because it's kind of complicatedin crypto.
A lot of money left on the tablethat Uniswap and other protocols
are just taking from you becauseyou're not, you know, putting

(04:48:22):
those tokens there yourself. I'm going to ask him that.
That's a good one. Rekt I.
I can't believe we sat here and talked for almost 5 hours.
I don't know. I don't.
Know prize are that are getting pissed in the drive thru right
now. I mean, we've, yeah, they called
the manager. It's not looking good.

(04:48:43):
Oh, oh, oh, oh, it was like. What are you talking?
About I I don't know if this is the first show you've done
that's not your own. I don't know if it's the first
one. I don't know what the deal is.
But Yep, first one I've done that's not my own.
Is it actually? Yep, Yep.
OK, I, I, I want to, I just wantto say it.

(04:49:04):
It was like the number one most requested one.
And the OP who's love you. I am grateful that you did this
and I can't believe you really stuck around for five hours.
It's crazy. Thank you and you're one of my
favorite content creators in this space.
And, and, and a lot of a lot of my conviction that integrity is

(04:49:27):
going to be the, the asset for communities comes from watching
and studying the way that you move and, and and that's it,
man, I'm, I'm really thank you. Thank you for for coming on
here. And if you have any final
thoughts for for the viewers or anything like that.
Is today really your birthday? No.
OK. Who said that trading game?
Yeah, he does. Every chat, every day is my

(04:49:49):
birthday. He's like, tell him Brett and
it's his birthday. No, it's not.
I would just say, you know, final thoughts.
I love APU. I love the community.
They are really, I mean, just they are in essence a piece of
what I do daily, making Bobo content.

(04:50:10):
I use APU's Pepes to make, you know, Bobo content.
I would say just keep it with, you know, 100 with everyone in
the space and you will have a long career in crypto.
That's all you got to do. Just keep it 100 and when things
go wrong like you know, the Solana wormhole, stuff like
that, just keep it 100 with people and you'll be all right.

(04:50:33):
Don't try to hide anything because they will find it.
The blockchain is forever. Rex, thank you so much.
If you don't mind, I'm going to do the the out roll or the post
roll. I don't know what it's called.
If you, if you don't mind sticking around for just a
second for the the post show conversation here briefly.
If you have a spare 60 seconds, that'd be great.

(04:50:56):
But if not, thank you so so muchand have a wonderful night all.
Right. All right, ladies and gentlemen,
that was wrecked. Rex Takashi from the Bobo
community live on Pontoc on an exclusive interview.
I called it Breaking the Silencejust 'cause he's never done a
show. And before today, he's never
sent me more communication than a GIF and maybe a thumbs up to

(04:51:17):
something because he's a man of action, not a man of words.
But it was, it was amazing. Thank you for tuning in.
You are the best part of Pontalk.
And this is Pontalk. My name is Blue.
Producer for the night was Tim and director is LFG.
This is the only meme coin crypto talk show that reinvests
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And with that, have a wonderful night.