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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome toan episode of Pon Talk.
Very special one with the Pon Talk veteran, Mr. Cow.
Cow, how are you doing tonight? Doing great, man.
It's I'm, I'm really happy to beback here.
It's been a little bit. It has I I know you were going
through some things. I know things were happening.
I don't know how much you've talked about it publicly, but
how are things? I guess is is my question to

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keep it as vague as possible. I appreciate it.
Yeah, no, things are great. I I mean, it's not like anything
bad was happening. It's just like super busy with
IRL stuff that like, I mean, yeah, a lot, a lot of like also
I got the Giga shirt on. A lot of like physical labor
too. So yeah, pretty much through
that, which was like, you know, annoying and took a little bit,

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but yeah, happy to be here, man,Happy to be I've, I've also been
like kind of tapped out of like as tapped out as I've probably
been this entire year from just like Twitter in general.
Every time I've been having a thought, I just like, you've
been using Twitter like a journal, but I'm excited to also
like I, I, I miss my friends, you know, I, I miss, I don't, I

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feel like I for the first time in a long time, I don't really
know what everyone's up to and Idon't like that.
Yeah, no, there's a, there's a real, you form real
relationships with people. I was on an SPX space the other
day with obviously some aeons and there was.
I don't know if you you've you've probably 'cause I know
you listen to everything so you might have already heard it, but
like about halfway through I think there was a huge cow and

(01:41):
Mon shout out. Oh nice.
No, I might have missed that. I I was like using, I know
there's been so many spaces the last like 2-3 weeks and I was
using a lot of those as kind of like podcasts.
I know, I, Oh my, I know he's doing, he's doing like a seven
day space, I believe something crazy.
But no, that's awesome. I need to go check that out.

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Yeah, no, it was, it was a lot of it was, it was very
refreshing. It was very like cleansing for
the soul to, to be a part of that.
I I really enjoyed it. As far as the, the physical
labor, you know, I just turned 26 and even before you know,
even as at 25. Happy birthday.
Thank you. Even at 25, I felt that I'm
getting to be that age where, you know, a pickup truck, 2

(02:28):
pizzas and a six pack are not enough or is not enough to get
me to like help a friend move. Yeah, no, that's not the age.
You know, I'm just like what? What am I doing?
It was by the way, it happened with me.
I was the one like when I moved,I moved to the to the house I
was at before this apt. I did that myself.
I was about 24 at the time and that I even then I was like,

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this is not, you know, this is, it's not that.
It was like it was actually easier 'cause I was in better
shape than, than I was when I was moving before, but it was
just like, it was excruciating. And then when it came time to
move here, I was like, no, I'm not doing it.
You know, I, I hired movers. I'm not ashamed to admit that I,
I hired movers. I'm like, I'm not fucking doing

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it. Yeah, it's the way.
Especially like, you know, I don't know, like if you, if you
want any sort of permit, like I work from home, I'm home a lot
out of my day. And so like I, I, I, I want my
stuff to be usable. And so, you know, normally if
you, if you, if you go like to kind of either task rabbit or or
homie route, like the breakability of everything goes

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up quite a bit. And so it's just kind of like,
it's like, I mean, if I'm gonna,if I'm gonna get stuff that I
like, you don't want that. But then yeah, you, you, you
pretty much have to shell out for, for movers.
Otherwise, like, you're probablygonna break yourself.
At least for me, I'm probably gonna break my stuff.
Yeah, yeah. And half the time it's like it's
easier to just sell everything and buy new stuff anyways.

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People don't really like the thecost of moving is absurd.
It is. It is quite expensive actually.
It's crazy. And, you know, I've moved a lot
in my adult life and it's gotten, that is something that
inflation has lingered a little extra in.
And it's not, it's not a, it's not a fun experience because
then you're kind of like, is it worth it?

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You know, like, do I even want to?
And if there's something forcingyou to do it, it's like, do I do
I either spend like, what is legitimately, you know, days
like kind of doing this myself or do I spend like an absurd
amount of money to, to pay someone to do this?
So, yeah, that's not great. That's not great.
I, that's one of the things I'm,I'm, I'm ready for like robots

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to disrupt. Bring the AI.
Yeah. No more.
No more song A is no more. No more singing and painting A
is bring. Bring in the the movers.
I have a friend from one of one of my old jobs that I worked at
that was just like a cold calling job and she was like
she, she was always like man like but I mean especially like

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this was like right when chachi PT came out she was like please
displace me. Like I can't wait to get
displaced. And obviously like that's a
little insensitive for some people, but I thought it was
kind of funny 'cause it is true.Like there are a lot of jobs
that that honestly, like if, if you remove the survivability
that that's associated with justhaving an income, it's like

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people don't wanna do this, you know, like.
You know there are. People who make a living
emptying out like septic tanks. I just wanna like.
Yeah, if if you're if you're ever bored and feeling
ungrateful for whatever reason, go watch Dirty Jobs.
Like I promise you, it'll set you straight.

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You're like, I, I, I'm that, I'mthat guy that's like, I have to
send another e-mail. I have to drive to another
courthouse and then it's like, at least I'm, you know, could be
worse, could be a lot worse, so.It's all relative, you know,
Like you get burnt out sitting there and you're like, the first
job I ever had was Fielding. It was for like a fortune, like
like a top. I don't know, I think it's like
20 company whatever, like a likea big company field basically

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like fielding calls, the chat bot, all that kind of stuff.
And you had to be like at your desk.
Genuinely, I think it, I think it was 7:30 to 5:30 and like
even if you go to lunch or something, if you get someone
calls you like you have to be available.
And you know, that was, that waslike not a fun first job, 'cause

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you, you just pretty much have to be at your desk, like at all
times. That was your first job that.
Was my first, I mean, it was my first, like, real job, yeah.
What was your first non real job?
My first like not well, I guess it was my first like job, like
where I'm, I'm living, you know,by myself and like not in
college or some other thing. When was the first time a
company was paying you money to do things?

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My first actual job was catering.
I was a caterer and then just kind of like a general.
I was like a like a dish cleaner, basically like a
bossboy type of figure for the catering company.
How old were you? Which?
How old was, I think I was 1718,maybe 16, some, I don't know,

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late high school. I kind of, I have like some OCD.
So in a way, like I kind of, I didn't hate that job because we
had so much stuff to do that like when we had a dinner
service, the completion of it was kind of satisfying to me.
And, and actually cleaning the like, I'm of the type of person
I can't really go to bed if unless my everything's clean in

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my house. I gotta have a clean kitchen,
you know, everything just has tobe a certain way and then I can
relax. So in a weird way it like
wasn't, it wasn't terrible, but I was also young enough that
like being on my feet all the time was not.
It was like kind of fun, to be honest.
What was yours? Oh, wow.
So my yeah, yeah, that's a fair question, right.

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Freshman year of high school. OK.
I failed math class, so first math class 1st class 1st or the
last class I ever failed in my life.
What kind of math was it? Like algebra?
Geometry it. Was algebra OK?
It wasn't because of the math. It was because of the teacher.
And because of what was going onin my life, I wasn't

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prioritizing it. I fell behind and the teacher
didn't care and I didn't care, you know, adjusting to being in
high school, it was tough for me.
So those, those years were toughand I failed it.
And so my parents were like, you're going to summer school.
And I was like, that blows. I don't want to go to summer
school. And they're like, that really

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sucks. You're going to summer school.
And then there then we got the bill for summer school 'cause
you have to pay for summer school here in Georgia.
It's not like it's not included.Yeah.
And yeah, and so and so they're like, oh, you're getting a job
to pay for summer school. And so at the age of 14, I
started washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant on weekends

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to pay for pay for summer school.
I did that all summer. That is both brutal, but kind of
like kind of awesome in a, in like a specific way, in the
sense of like, like I, I admire the parental like instilling of,
of responsibility and all those other things at a young age.
And I also think, you know, likethat's like obviously sucks, but

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I have like a summer school situation too once and it's like
it's the worst because you're you're sitting there all year
convincing yourself like summer's going to be the best
thing ever. And when you go and do it, it
still sucks, but it's, it's kindof one of those things where
you're like, OK, I did the what at the time seems like the worst
possible thing that could happenhere.
And it's actually like, it's, you know, it's, it's #1 not that

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bad. And #2 like, it kind of teaches
you a little bit of like about, I don't know, consequences and
responsibility. Percent and.
Things, yeah. 100% And if I hadn't, you know, like I, I
think I got like a 67 in that class in this in the fall or in
the spring rather. And then I, I, I'm, I got in 98.

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So, you know, I was like it, it wasn't the again, the material
was easy. It was just like, you know, I
learned an important lesson. Yeah.
And especially if it's one of those things that you can't,
like, focus properly 'cause you have other stuff going on, you
know, unless that comes really naturally to you, like, yeah,
it's gonna be tough, right? Yeah.
And, and I was like, I was always, I was the kid that never
had to study. Oh, this is rattling.

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Say that again, sorry. Like, maybe it's like a little
rattling, you know that you're like.
Well, just it's, it's, it's likeI, I never had to study for
things, but math is one of thosethings that you kind of do,
especially when you're dealing with like, you either know the
equations or you don't. Like you either know the
formulas or you don't. And I didn't.
So you can't bullshit that. Yeah, it's true.

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That's true. So it's not like there's no
subjectivity. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. So like in any other class,
because like I did find that semester, you know, I could, I
could bullshit my way through a humanities class no problem.
English literature, but I don't think I've ever read like I I've
I've in school when I was like assigned books to read.
There's not one book I've ever read that I read while I was

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supposed to have read it. I always ended up reading it
eventually, but like I refused. I spark noted my way through
that and and sometimes just never just didn't read it at
all. That was me, man, up until up
until college, and that's when those like can't really get
through law school. Like that, yeah, like laws may
be the one kind of intermediary where it's like you, yeah, maybe

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there's a lot of like if you're,if, if you're smart and like
you, it comes naturally to you. You can get by more efficiently
than other people, but you can'tskip like the the I guess like
the major material. Yeah.
No, no, no, you can't. No, there's no.
But I presume. Right.
No, no, no, in law school like you, you, there's just no way.
There's just no way. But bar prep, I mean, you can,

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you probably could. You could probably get away with
it from like with some classes, but good luck.
Good luck with the bar. You know.
Have fun. There's no way, no way in hell.
The by the way, bar prep is likeit's law school condensed into
three, really two months and, and it's just like thousands,

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thousands of multiple choice questions that you do.
And if you do it right, dozens of essays and it's just
ruthless, man. So this like, if, if you do that
to yourself in law school, you will go show up to bar prep and
just, you'll quit. There's just no way.
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I, I will also like

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don't a lot of those programs like they kind of don't they
like it's, there's also like, I mean, I maybe I only know this
for Med school. I didn't attend, but I know a
lot of people who have gone likeI know that there's a lot of
front loading of like kind of the the memorization portions.
The parts that are like maybe a little bit, for lack of better
term, like they're kind of like weed out classes.

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Because I guess it's mutually beneficial #1 you don't want to
go into a shit ton of debt unless you know that like you're
going to be capable of passing the bar or the board in Med
school or what have you. And #2 like the universities
don't want like a low acceptancerate or pass rate at the end of
the day, so. You know it's right.
I don't know if it's that way inlaw school.
I just know in general for thoselike very kind of prestigious

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and fact heavy kind of like, youknow, programs, that's a big
part of it. Yeah, and they definitely, they,
they say there isn't a weed out class, but it is, there is.
And it's called legal writing, 100% legal writing is the worst
class. It's designed.
It is like on a pedagogical level, it is designed to instill

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in the student a sense of fear, dread, misery and depression.
Like it is designed to do that to you.
It's designed to instill helplessness.
And, and it's, it's awful. I I went an entire semester.
It's actually, it's a, it's a year long class.
It's a part yeah, it's a Part 1 and a Part 2.

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So I went a whole, a whole year with basically, or really, it's
a semester at a time. Let's be fair.
OK, let's not be too dramatic. I went a semester getting every
assignment we did every day was a new assignment and every and
every like it's blocked schedule.
So it's like twice a week, everyclass was a new assignment and
every class was a grade out of five.
How you did on that assignment and every assignment, I would

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get a three out of five. Now, if you're not, if if
whoever's watching is not quick with math, that's a failing
grade. That is a failing grade.
And so after the first three outof five, I was like, hey,
professor, what the fuck, you know, like what what gives?
I did it exactly like you said to do it.
It's like write a memo or not even write an MO memo.

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The first assignment was like, write an e-mail and it like
gives you the hypothetical of like how to do it and what the
situation is. And so I write the e-mail and
they're like, oh, you didn't include.
We didn't like your greeting. It wasn't.
And I'm like, are you, are you, like serious right now?
They're like, yeah, well, the model example had this and you

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didn't, you know, you only had one line in your greeting and it
wasn't thorough enough. And I'm like, I didn't realize
this was. On it like they just pick
nitpick some tiny little thing. Oh my God, if I could, if I
could go back and share screenshots.
I have of of like the way we allwere, like, do we put the semi
colon here or there? Like we were, it was insane,

(15:43):
dude. And so and so I every day, every
week. And The thing is, every week is
a new skill. So like, so, so whatever you
just did that last week doesn't help you in the next week.
It's not relevant. So and so I every week, 3 out of
five, three out of five, three to five.
And finally after the third week, I get, I go to the
professor and say, hey, like, seriously.
Like I'm going to fail. Like I'm, I'm doing my
projection. I'm like, yeah, there's a the,

(16:05):
the, the carrot is fucking flat,you know what I mean?
And she's like, she looks at me and she goes, she goes listen,
trust the process. And I was like, no, you listen,
I'm gonna fail. Like look at the grade.
Yeah, the the process should trust me.

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No, but I was like, look at thisshit.
And so we got, we got through it.
And then and it got to the pointwhere finally by the end of the
first semester, we're we're drafting this like 30 page memo.
And like I'm sitting there like we're having, we're having hour
long conversation as a class about the difference between
saying the foundation for the argument or the Terra Firma,

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which means firm ground for the argument.
And some semantics. It's it was just, it was just
brutal. It was my lowest grade, by far
my lowest grade. Would have been the same for me.
And but, and they're like there's no weed out class, but
that that class, man, it, it would have been my 13th reason

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and it wouldn't have been my 13th reason.
It would have been all 13 of my reasons.
It's it's basically pure psychological warfare to see if
you know that's a setting that you're OK with, like submitting
to permanently basically. 100% and then ask me, Cal, if if I
have found any of that year 1/3 of my education to have been at
all productive, beneficial or useful in the practicing of law.

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Yeah, have you ever lost a case because you put a semi colon in
the wrong? Place.
Well, I've never lost a case period, but certainly it would
not I. Didn't know that.
Yeah, I'm undefeated, baby. Well, the truth is I lost one
case that I then won on appeal. So the judge was wrong in the,
in the. Lower.
I mean, that's still AW. I I don't count it as a loss.

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Yeah, but it's technically a loss.
If one of your professors came back and they changed that three
into a four, then that's not a failing grade anymore, right?
Right on appeal. But yeah, no, I haven't lost
yet. Haven't lost yet.
Knock on wood, but but certainlyno, never because of a semi
colon, that's for damn sure. But I also don't do

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transactional work really. I do mostly like most of my work
involves it's criminal defense and personal injury and then
also a lot of interestingly enough, civil defense lately
dealing with like well, really all kinds of stuff, but but it's
trial work. So I don't really the writing
was never has never been a part of my it's like whatever I do it

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for motions and what not, but. Is it, is it like I, I feel like
there's always a very dramatic portrayal of kind of any form of
court trial in all forms of media.
And obviously media is like innately dramatic, but is it, is
it normally like, is a court normally for just an average
case, like with no kind of lore or like publicity?

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Is it, is there a lot, are therea lot of people there?
Is there kind of like a lot of back and forth?
Like what does that actually look like?
So it, it depends on what the case is, right?
So for like traffic, it's if, ifthere's a jury, 9 times out of
10, it's gonna, it's gonna look like what it looks like on TV.
If, if there's no jury, which most of the time it's not,

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there's no jury. If it's just a bench trial,
which means the judge is acting as the judge and the jury, then
it's done like an open court. It, it's kind of like a zoo, you
know, if, if you've seen like a painting of like old British or
colonial era courts where there's like 40 people in there,
papers flying everywhere. That's kind of what it looks
like. All the lawyers with their own
cases in the background talking to their clients, talking to the

(19:46):
prosecutors. And then you just happen to be
the one at the podiums. It's very disorganized, but they
can get very dramatic. I'll tell you that my most
recent case that I did was that like I went to trial on was it
was a, a trial where I got the case 12 hours before the trial.
So I had 12 hours to prepare, which is like insane.
Like that doesn't happen. But I took the case and it was a

(20:10):
damages hearing, meaning this guy had already lost his case.
My job was just to minimize how much he was going to owe at the
end of the story. And they sued him for $30
million. Yeah.
Lot of minimization to do. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And so I had, when it got time
for closing arguments, you know,I did my first 'cause there we

(20:32):
had to do 2 Closings because thefirst one is, it's for just the
damages. But if the jury finds, if they
authorize punitive damages, meaning if they find after the
conclusion of the trial that the, that the defendant's
conduct was so egregious that itwarrants perhaps punitive
damages, then it unlocks anothertrial, which is a much smaller
trial. Like it's really, really short,

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but it just, it opens up the door.
And so we, they, they asked for 5 million in the first half.
Actually first half in the firsttrial, they asked for 5 million
and they got 2. But they, they, they, then they
open up for punitive. So they asked for another
25,000,000 and I'll tell you. Yeah.
I'll tell you that then the closing argument that I gave in

(21:20):
the first part of this and the second we're dramatically
different. I was so disappointed with the
jury giving 2,000,000 out of thefive just because there was no
basis for it. I mean, don't get me wrong, the,
the, the defendant did somethingegregious and, and, and what
happened to this person was egregious.
This is like, and it was national news.

(21:41):
It's in the news. But like, I just didn't feel
that that it was in again, it was a default posture, meaning
that we didn't get to argue any facts.
Essentially the plaintiffs, the people who were suing us or my
client, they got the best version of their case.
The jury had to accept everything they said is true.
So as you can imagine, it'd be insane for them not to get all

(22:02):
of their all of their damages. But anyways, so I gave I gave
this closing that I had written and I and that's not really my
style. I typically I say wing.
It's not that I wing things. I'll I'll think of things over
and over and over and over again, but I always like to stay
fresh. So nothing is it's like just
like this show, nothing is scripted and you probably.
I mean, you have to, right? Yeah.
Yeah, no. Well, no, you'd be surprised.

(22:24):
Most people are taught to write everything down and they'll and
they'll, you know, come before the court and they'll, you know,
good evening, members of the youknow, it's you'd be surprised
there's no. Back and forth dialogue.
It's like more kind. Of like on a closing statement.
I guess it's like, OK, yeah, I, I didn't know if this is all
compressed into like one. No.
No, no, no. So, so you have your opening
statement, your examinations andthen your closing statement.

(22:45):
I see. But so in the closing statement,
so the first one I gave I had, it was super rehearsed.
I'd practiced it, I mean as rehearsed as could be, right?
I had 12 hours of prep and then the the next day, so I had about
36 hours of prep as rehearsals could be.
I thought I, I thought I had everything down the law,
everything was great. And they came back awarding, you
know, 40% of what they'd asked for it.

(23:06):
I was just distraught. And so I have to get up for
this, you know, now I'm dealing with five times the damage, $25
million. And I, I, I, you know, there's a
podium. I don't like to stand behind
podiums for so many reason, likepublic speaking, one O 1.
I hate it, but I did it for the first closing and I have my
notes. I have actually, it's right

(23:27):
here. I have my, my, my little
notebook. And I, I say, it's not my little
notebook, but like, you know, my, my binder, my, my book, all
my notes. And so I'm standing there on the
podium. I have my pen is this pen, man,
it's funny that I have, it's this pen and I'm sitting there
and I've just laid on the table,you know, and I and I let out,

(23:48):
this is fun. I'm going to recreate this
moment. I hit me.
I like this. I just, I kind of, I'm there and
this is me knowing that I just gave up $2,000,000 worth of
points on the board, you know, and out of the five.
And so I'm and I'm and I and I know the jurors by this point.
I mean, I like, I was like, thisis wrong.
I don't know what just happened.And now I'm staring down the
barrel of 25,000,000. And so I look at everything that

(24:11):
I've written and I just go just like drop it and I just put the
pen down. I get up and like move past,
past the podium and I just walk right up to the jury.
I'm like maybe 2 feet away from them.
Pretty awesome, so. And, and, and I just, I'm like,
I just get up and I turn to the other lawyers and I go, I was
here 5 minutes ago when they came before you and said XY and

(24:34):
Z and now they're saying AB and C.
And so it begs the question why they've changed their minds
completely about all these things.
At the end of the day, they have.
Anyway, so I do the closing and as I'm and I'm, I'm not yelling,
but I'm getting animated and I'mworking myself up and, and I and
I and I look at them and the last thing I said to them and
I'm like, it's not what happened.

(24:55):
It's just not. And I'm, you know, I'm walking
with this juror and I see this juror and he looks at me and he
goes, you know, and, and then I just sat down and they came back
and they gave 250,000. Wow.
Wait, total? Or was it in?
From the the second-half in addition, so it's a total of
2.25 out of 30 million that. It I'm not gonna lie, I heard

(25:17):
the two out of five and I was like, I feel like that's not
like terrible, but that's those are good numbers, right?
There, Yeah, the the so in totalit's about 93 to 94%
minimization 92 to 93%. But but it's the best part was
after the trial, this this jurorcame up to me and he was like,

(25:37):
you were just hired on this yesterday, weren't you?
And I was like, yeah, he asked me for my card.
And I just thought that was veryfunny.
But anyways, to answer your questions, a very long winded
answer to say it can sometimes be very dramatic, it can
sometimes be very cinematic. And so that was a.
Hearing the guy asked you, he probably was like this guy
killed it. He was like, yeah, it was funny.

(25:58):
He was like, he was like, you were phenomenal.
And I was like, I lost. And he's like, yeah, but you
were phenomenal, so. God made us terrible lawyer.
Except it sounds like a win to. Me, I mean, don't get me wrong,
it's it like it's in a case where the jury was told by the
judge everything these people said about the defendant is
true. You have to take it as whether

(26:18):
it's right. Whether it is or isn't doesn't
matter. They're told that.
So imagine that I that I made out the, I had time to write out
a document that laid out the very best case against you, and
then I didn't. And then I only got 7% of what I
asked for. That's kind of what happened.
I see. I mean, fair enough.
So slap is so funny. So there, so there.

(26:40):
So yeah, it was very, it was very dramatic and cinematic and
between like from my perspective, like I feel like I
lost just because I didn't get 100% minimization.
That's just the standard I hold myself to.
And the truth is that I don't know.
Most people don't have $2.25 million lying around to pay for

(27:01):
sure, if this was an insurance company that I was representing,
they would have given me a bonusprobably for that performance.
But this was a normal person, sothat that's it was tough for
them. I get, I'm sure there's like
some I it would be very hard, atleast for me not to like
personalize a lot of the the kind of like situations to try

(27:21):
to to kind of alleviate as much as possible.
I guess it depends on like, you know, how bad the crime was.
There's a lot of context. I'm sure in each.
Yeah, this was a civil 1, so there's no, no crimes, but it's
when you're dealing with the criminal stuff.
It's heavy, man, It's heavy. Stuff, yeah, I bet, I think that
would be it takes it takes like a a very level headed person I

(27:43):
think to to approach that correctly.
So I wouldn't think. What's that I?
Said I would have taken your card too.
It's funny you say that about the, the, you know, dealing with
the heavy stuff, because it brings me to back to crypto here
first, if, if you don't mind if we, if we can.
No. No, no, no, no, I, it's all
good. I, I, I say this jokingly, but

(28:04):
when I sometimes I hear some people say stuff.
So I hear some stuff on crypto Twitter, you know, people like
to and I just kind of I just kind of look at it and I'm like,
listen, guys, listen, I'm not afraid.
Not only am I not afraid, but it's like, can we stop?

(28:26):
Can we stop with this like the the theater?
Can we stop with the puffery? Like none of this like, like,
you know what I mean? A. 100 percent, 100% it's, it's,
it's, you get to a point where it's, it's, it does get
exhausting and you start to see kind of the tactics and the

(28:47):
approaches recycled and you see them working less and less.
But you still see like the same perpetrators or adjacent
perpetrators doing it. And you're kind of like, is
this, are people? Is this song and dance working?
Like, what is this Like get thisaway?
I, I I if we're talking about similar concepts.
I think we, yeah, it's, it's andpeople like the anonymity thing

(29:10):
is, is a problem because people will say crazy shit and I'll be
like someone said about someone else the other day, they're
like, oh, like he's like, that'sI wouldn't mess with X or
whatever. They're they're real or
whatever. And I'm like, really, let's all
docs and then let's see who's real and who's not.
I'm like, better yet, let me fill out a subpoena.
Let me subpoena X and force themto disclose all of the, all of

(29:31):
the user data on this person. Like, let me like, if this is,
you know, people are out here pretending to be committing
felonies left and right, you know, in terms of like hacking
and shit. And I'm just like, well, you're
confessing to crimes is what you're doing.
So let's, let's file a subpoena.Let's file a case.
Let's see, you know, And then everyone gets really quiet.
Yeah, you know, it's, it's interesting because I, I guess

(29:52):
First off, I have between work Cal and then like Cal alts and
then like my like original Twitter that I had, which was
like, like in kind of like Silicon Valley Twitter.
I I mean, I have like 10 or 11 accounts.
So I have I I see a lot of different like versions of
Twitter. I'm I'm I spend 90% of my time

(30:14):
on Cal. So it's like, it's not like I'm,
you know, they're not, they're not equal entities to me, But
you know, my timeline is, is quite curated for Cao as like
I'm sure yours for the most partis.
And, and anyone who's been here for a long time, in order to
survive, like you have to do that, right.
I, I keep a solid, I would say like 10 to 15%, you know, of

(30:35):
people I don't just despise on CT like still kind of like open
in the sense that I, it's not like I, there's some like larger
Kols or kind of trader types that, that, you know, I, I still
allow on my timeline because I, I'm just kind of curious what
like the general kind of crypto populace is discussing.
But it is crazy when you, when you, you see like the entire

(30:57):
gamut of, you know, CT is one thing, but even just all of
Twitter, there is a like, there are some specimens out there and
they will claim whatever they will say whatever.
And you know what, that's one ofthe things that was super
appealing to me about like all of these PBA communities from
the Starks. I was like, I wanna be involved
in this, but I do not want to beinvolved in that.

(31:19):
You know what I mean? Like I I I like the good people
are so good, but the median person is not my favorite.
You know, like median just crypto participant, which
ultimately is just like a leverage trader.
To be honest. And I, you know, there's
something to be said about the PBA world is very different.

(31:42):
And, and I really came out of that world.
So when I, when I took a look ateverything else, I was like,
whoa, you know, I had been coddled up until that point.
I was not prepared. In fact, I was just, I was the
other day, I was thinking about releasing because September
10th, which will be the third episode with Maraud is going to
be the end of Pontok Season 1. And I was gonna, and I'm gonna

(32:03):
like launch pawn talk season 2. And I was thinking of like, in
my mind, I, I was like defining what that means.
What does that really mean to me?
Why, why do I want there to be adistinction?
And in my mind, I was thinking about like Trump's 20/20/16
candidate photo versus his 2024 candidate photo and like the
total difference in like his approach to it.

(32:25):
And I really feel like I get it now.
Look, I, I understand now some things that I wish I, I just
couldn't have understood before I went through this.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so I, I, you're definitely right.
Like the PBA world is very different.
Very, very. Different it is, it is, but I am
curious like what? What?
And I have actually questions about that too, but I like, what
was there something in particular that kind of caught

(32:45):
your eye over that 'cause I feellike there has been a lot of
like just general drama over thelast few weeks.
I think that's partially due to partially due to like there's
just a lot of fear in the air that like cycles over cycles
over cycles over which I think is more a reflection of just
like I don't, people are just are, are like probably not doing

(33:07):
well like financially or on trades.
And then they're kind of, you know, it's, it's, you know,
it's, it's just general fear, right?
So I don't know. I'm just curious like was there,
was there like a general instance that that made you
think that or are you just speaking probably?
Think, think that about what about the Pbas versus the non
Pbas, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Well, no, just sorry like like people on CTE just saying being

(33:31):
rogue. Yeah, I mean, there were a few
experiences. I mean, let's start from the get
go, right? Like first week of bond talk or
first two weeks of bond talk. I get a message from a close
friend, as close as you can. Like I'm still new to this base,
you know what I mean? A friend, I should say a friend
that I would at the time I wouldhave considered closer to me

(33:51):
than most. And I get a message from this
person saying, hey, some other Kols just reached out to me.
They see what you're doing. They're they're keeping an eye
on you. They don't like it or whatever.
OK. I was like, what the fuck?
It was like this veiled threat of like they're not happy.
And I was like, what have I done?

(34:12):
I've like, I've want like what the what are we talk?
What are we talking about? You know what I mean?
It was like some mafia shit. So that was like the I didn't, I
kind of laughed that off. I.
Mean like outside of like that being a veiled threat, which is
not not cool. That is kind of like it's so
absurd. It's kind of funny, but it.
It it's, it is absurd. I think I, I think I didn't, I

(34:33):
didn't for one second take it seriously as like a threat to
me. I took it as I took it as a sign
that they I think I was one of the last people to believe in
this show. Like I think, I think, and I, I
say that I'm like, I didn't believe in this show until,

(34:53):
well, like probably a few weeks before the Marad stream.
It was, it was. I was not sold on it at all
actually. Why do you think it's?
So long. Because I didn't understand why
people liked it. And so, and I and, and it took

(35:15):
me a really long time to get it to be, to be honest with you.
And so at the time I knew peopledid right.
So like these Kols coming in andbeing like, watch out, we're
watching you kind of thing. I was like, OK, so this is real.
You know, when they did that, I was like, oh, they are
threatened by this for whatever reason.

(35:36):
And, and at the time I'm like, I'm a an overweight lawyer in a
red cardigan interviewing peopleabout crypto.
Like, is there, is there can something be more innocent?
You know what I mean? Yeah.
And so I'm like, why would that be so threatening?

(35:57):
And then and I was like, OK, well, let's just keep going.
The community loved it. People kept telling me, this is
going to be huge. It's going to be huge shit.
I mean, you and Monge like day one were like, you know,
Guardian David Gox, like tons ofpeople, you know, and, and I'm
like these people know what they're talking about.
I didn't get it. I didn't see it at first.
I did it because the community, I mean, I don't think people

(36:18):
truly get this, but I never wanted to be blue.
Like I, I was asked to do it andI, and I accepted that.
And, and so if for me, this wasn't like I kept doing it
because it was fun. Like I just enjoyed doing it.
I enjoyed hanging out with you guys.
I enjoyed the process. I, I've been a content creator
previously in my life. And so for me, it's like, you

(36:40):
know, I know, I know how this works.
I know how this machine works. So I had fun and then and then
about halfway through the like season 1, I was like, oh, I get
it now. I understand because I didn't
understand crypto that well. Interesting.
I was going to say that was my hunch but I'm curious like what?
What was the turning point for you?

(37:03):
There was a stream, I think it was, I wish I could tell you
like there what like like a moment that we had where I was
like, oh, actually I do know. I do know what it was.
It was there. It happened gradually.
But the first time that I like really went back to the drawing

(37:23):
board in a really big way was after the stream with David
Goxey. I don't know if you'd seen that
episode, but that was the episode where I was like, OK,
this is there's something here. There's something very real
here. And, and that changed everything
for me in terms of like understanding from a creative

(37:46):
perspective and a directional perspective where this is going
and what this really is. And I wasn't in a rush.
Here's another thing. I wasn't in a rush to like label
this, you know what I mean? At the time, all we had going
for us is that we were new and we were having fun.
That was like all it really was.And it's an embodiment of Abdulu

(38:08):
too, don't you think? I think so.
I think so. And again, I was surrounded by
people who kept telling me this is so special.
This is so special. So to some extent I was like
brainwashed in a good way. I was.
I was encouraged to believe thatas well.
But I don't have. I didn't.
I don't have and didn't have. I have it now, but at the time I
didn't have any context to understand that.
I didn't have anything to compare it to.

(38:30):
Yeah, and it was, I guess it wasn't coming.
Like, you're right. It's a, you know, it's an
external thing. You weren't, you weren't, you
hadn't reached that conclusion yourself.
I I think there are like two things that that at least for
me, like they were developed thoughts over time.
But like I, you know, as you mentioned, like I was super
bullish on the show right away. And I think there were, there
were in retrospect, there were two reasons for that.

(38:51):
I think the first is like, well,I guess there are three.
The first is like, you're a verygood interviewer, you're a very
good speaker, you're engaging, warm, like all these things that
that make a show actually fun towatch.
And I think there are a lot of just shitty crypto shows, to be
honest. I think there are a lot of
crypto shows. There are a lot of crypto shows
that are kind of more like related to the utility world, VC

(39:15):
stuff. I don't know whatever that are
that are that are better. Like they're kind of just
normal, like I wouldn't say they're amazing, but they're you
know, there's some decent ones out there, There's some good
interviews out there, that kind of stuff.
But within the kind of like, I guess if you want to use the
all-encompassing term, like the meme coin world, generally the
voices are very scammy. They're very kind of like just

(39:39):
low IQ, lowest common denominator.
They're they're they're gambler bait to be honest.
And that doesn't just go for voices like verbally or, or
audibly, but also like just on Twitter in general.
And so I, you know, I think personally, that's a big reason
like why, why Murad was so kind of esteemed at that time,

(40:00):
because it showed that there wasthere actually is product market
fit for a different type of userbase, right?
Who's not interested in that world.
And so I think the first thing was like having a real actual
good show. I think the second is a lot of
people are really passionate about this stuff and they care a
lot and they think about it a lot.
And so they want. They want to hear more content,

(40:21):
more conversation, more kind of like just general thoughts on
this world because it does feel so new and exciting and, and
kind of it's a it's a, it's a really fun space for the
delusional optimist and the romantic to kind of get and
mentally. And so hearing other
perspectives on that, like, you know, sometimes you hear

(40:42):
something you're like, damn, I never.
Thought about it that way. Or sometimes you you hear
something else, you're like, wait a second, maybe I'm not,
you know, fucking crazy. Like they're thinking that too,
right? So I think that's the other
thing. And then, yeah, I think lastly,
like, you know, especially when you started, there was this
angst in the air where last year, I know you weren't quite

(41:02):
as involved. Like I think last year there
were a lot of people who kind ofjust assumed like things were
going to just work, right? And Bitcoin was going to go up a
lot. And like, memes were the
category of the cycle. And so they were going to go up
a lot. And we didn't have to do
anything, right? Like, sure, you bullpost and you
do some stuff here and there, you make nice videos and
whatever, but you don't really have to like go above and beyond

(41:25):
because this is just how crypto works.
It's like it's the fourth year after having just going to work
out. And, you know, I maybe there's
some truth to that, but I think that the tariff scare was like
an excellent thing in a lot of ways for the best coins because
it forced them to be like, OK, do we do we give up or do we
figure out how to take steps to make this, you know, ideology a

(41:48):
reality or like come to life in some way?
And so I think this you, you know, this show, not that there
are other examples of that with APU, but this show did that for
APU. I think, yeah.
And I appreciate those kind of words, man.
I think that's absolutely like spot on.
And I think that even 2 two things in addition to that is
that it was at the time there wasn't a comparison like I

(42:10):
didn't have. There wasn't as far as I know,
and I might be wrong, but I'm not aware of another meme coin
talk show that existed as like astreaming show, like a video
based content. I think the only thing I can
think of that was even similar was crypto compass that you and
and Monch were doing and people were doing.
I mean, spaces were not new. Gokstein has been streaming

(42:31):
since, you know, 1953, but the the there hadn't born.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, there hadn't been.
And and I really do think Pontocwas the first coin native
stream. Yeah, that.
Kind of came out of that. And that's why so many people

(42:52):
were so fired up when this started because there clearly
was a large user base who was who obsesses over the stuff,
right? And they already think about it
all the time and they tweet about it all the time.
And they're they're monitoring. Look at Murad, right?
He's like plugged into this stuff 18 hours a day.
He sees every single thing that happens.
And so having another medium where that that stuff exists is

(43:14):
super valuable to people like him and like me and like, you
know, all of the people you gongI see him in the comments wise,
like all these people who spend so much time on this stuff, like
there, that's not an accident, right?
Like there's a reason there's obsession around it.
And so, yeah, I think your starting of that kind of kicked
off like a like a series of dominoes that that I really, I

(43:35):
personally think we're like in the infancy of.
And I remember during one of your early streams saying that I
think you said something along the lines of like just meme
coins aren't ready for retail orsomething like that.
Maybe you recall? I did say that.
Yeah, and and you know, I honestly, that was one of the
only things you said that I disagreed with.

(43:55):
But actually I think you were right.
And I think that this is one of the like this shows a great
example of why because, you know, go try to make a new like,
especially if you've been here for, for a while, go try to make
a new Twitter account and figureout like without following your
favorite people, what to do. It is a complete cesspool.

(44:16):
And so, you know, like coins starting to quote UN quote, like
bring their, their, their tokensto life, whether it be via, you
know, stuff like this via, you know, stuff like the show, the
actual memes on other platforms,you know, docs, content,
whatever, humanizing it and showing what it means and can
be. There's a million great examples

(44:38):
in SPX Like it's it's there's a value to that that now becomes
approachable for the average person.
And and 100% and I'll say that. So two things, two things kind
of happened immediately afterwards.
I number one, it's, it's hard tounders, excuse me, it's hard to
overstate the influence that theAPU community has had on on me.

(45:04):
Obviously on this show. It's it's like it's so you can't
separate it. Like you cannot.
Some people have have like made like, oh, like it's an SPX show
now or it's a this show now. And it's like, no, no, no, like,
first of all, this will always be an APU.
Like the essence of it'll alwaysbe that.
But so long as I'm a part of it,it'll always be that.

(45:25):
But but more to the point, like it, it's there's.
And by the way, it can be more than one thing.
You know that there's there, there's a reason, you know what
I mean? Like it, it, it can be more than
one thing. And I think it's a good thing.
You know, when, when So, so the,the phrase unite the memes came
at a time that you know, so those two things happen at the

(45:47):
same time. Let me let me organize my
thoughts a little bit. But the, the show itself as a
product and as an innovation waskind of pivotal, I think, or I
think it might, I hope it'll be considered when looking back in
like a few years as a, as a point in history of like this is
the first time something like this happened.
And I think that the, the confirmation of that has been

(46:09):
the four or five other like coinnative shows that have come up
since. And I, and I love them very
much. I, I, I, I think a lot of people
expected me to be like combativewith them, but I love them very
much. I have great relationships with
all of them and I and I wish nothing but success for them.
The so that's the the first thing.
The second thing is the, the narrative of unite the memes

(46:30):
also kind of was the natural progeny of of the show as well.
And so all of that together kindof formed this, the, the special
ingredients. And then the last thing that
made this different, I think wasMurad.
And I'm not talking about Murad streaming, you know, joining the
stream. I'm talking about from the very,

(46:52):
very beginning, his interaction from the get go, I think was, I
don't think it was accidental. I, I don't think he does
anything just like on a whim, isn't it right, right.
And and so he, he, I think he saw something as well.
And two things happened from that.

(47:12):
The first one is that it got a lot of attention on it, But two,
I, my attention focused in on mirage and that's it's funny.
I wish I could go back. I wish I could say that the, the
way that our sort of dynamic unfolded was like scripted.
I wish I could tell you that I was so smart that I planned it
out, but it was completely happening organically and in

(47:35):
real time. What viewers saw like when I
reacted to his videos and when he would like like all of that,
that was just real. That was just happening in the
moment. And so you saw me go from an SPX
skeptic to a believer in, you know, overnight almost after
engaging with him and, and engaging with the aeons and the
content. And so that was just.

(47:57):
To add really quickly there, I think anyone who has been in
that position where you've been a doubter of SPX and you get
kind of showered with the passion of the community in a,
in like there's a lot of formatsthat that occurs in.
Like they understand that, you know, like I think that anybody
who has kind of, I don't at the like, I don't wanna sound
elitist in any way. You know, I 'cause I, 'cause I,

(48:19):
I think it's like a, it's an isolating thing.
So, you know, I, I don't want itto, to sound like, I don't know.
Yeah, that's right. Hop It's it's it's feeling nice
and comfy. But yeah, I mean, like any
anyone who's experienced that understands that it's kind of
transformative in your mindset because you're so used to, you

(48:40):
know, crypto people being hostile or abrasive or some
frankly, you know, just just, I don't know, I'm passionate or
kind of impartial to an outcome.And seeing so many people rally
around an idea is inspiring. It just is.
It's, it's inspiring. And I also like I, I was sold.

(49:04):
I was sold on, on what he was saying and what he was doing.
And, and, and I'm not going to lie to you.
If, if that hadn't happened, if he hadn't, if, let's put it this
way, if that, if that lightning bolt hadn't struck.
I don't know how familiar you are with the Flash.
And like The Flash's origin story, there's.
Like a like the. Flash the superhero.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my guy back in the day,
man. OK, OK, so, so the, excuse me,

(49:26):
the like sort of the lightning strike that kind of created the
flash. If that hadn't happened, it just
wouldn't be the same. Because because it's it, it
wasn't, it wasn't just about theviews.
It was my entire ideology changed in that moment, right
when I, when I really sunk my teeth into what Murad was
talking about. And then in prepping for our
first stream together, you know,I, I consumed like 48 hours

(49:49):
worth of material, like, you know, like watching and reading
almost everything he's produced in the last almost, you know,
8-8 years or so. So like really understanding the
ideology. And I don't agree with him on
everything. I really don't, but but on the
lot on most on the vast majorityof it I do.
And so anyways, that I thought Ithink was also really important
because it served as kind of a lighthouse for me as to where I

(50:12):
need to take this. You know, there's a there's a
lot of words for me to say to answer that question, but to to
the that was a sub question thatthe original question you asked
me was what what is kind of woken me up kind of to the to to
everything else. And it's been the, it's, it's

(50:33):
been, you know, what started outas this like really, this really
innocent, honest, earnest, totally like good faith
initiative, which which was, is pawn talk has been on the one

(50:54):
hand, it's been embraced and loved and celebrated and, and,
and I have nothing, but I'm verygrateful.
Do you know what I mean? Like I'm, I am so lucky and
fortunate to, to be where I am. And I'm, and I got so lucky that
that the APU community found me.You know, the year ago, I'm so
lucky. It could have been anybody that
that found me. It could have been any other

(51:15):
community, but it wasn't, it wasthe APU community.
So I'm, I'm very grateful. At the same time, there are
always people who have nefariousintentions and I have I've I've,
I think I've grown a lot personally in this space.
And like I understand like from people who have whether it's

(51:37):
like a pressuring people to makedecisions that benefit them
personally versus projects in general or accusations like, oh,
this is a vamp attack against that, or that's a vamp attack
against this or the politics of it all.
You know, we're this project is friendly with that project,
which is friendly with this project, like all of it.

(51:59):
And, and I've made so many so, so, so many friends through this
process. And, and so I don't want to lose
sight of that. I don't want to appear
ungrateful for that at all. Just that in that in that
process, I've also learned like,OK, it's, it's not all sunshine
and rainbows. There are definite and people
don't see. Do you like people see me when

(52:21):
I'm on air, but they don't really see like the, the 60
hours a week that go into this behind the scenes.
And I think that I, I had AI won't say who because it doesn't
matter who, but somebody who's involved with the different coin
native stream reached out to me and, and they were like, how do
you do this for 3/3 or four times a week?

(52:41):
And so, and so it's like, it's not easy.
You know, it's like, it's, it's,it's, and if I didn't have Tim
and LFG in the back and there's just no, no way in hell.
There's just no way in hell I could do it.
But it's like, you know, we're doing streams, we're planning,
we're networking, we're doing spaces where it's like, it's a
lot, it's a lot. And so there's like, not

(53:02):
everyone sees that, not everyone.
So when people when people make these like statements and
especially like whether it's intra community or inter
community, but when people make statements and I'm just like,
you have no idea like what what this team has sacrificed, what
this team is do if you they don't know, and I don't blame
them because they can't know. There's no way for them to have
that reference point. But it's just hard sometimes,

(53:23):
honestly, to like to to hear some of that stuff.
It's hard, yeah. I, I, I, I'm sure, I'm sure.
And like, you know, I think that's a big reason that, that,
you know, the, the, the kind of Murad, like you need 50 to 100
lieutenants thing is super true.I think I, I genuinely believe
it is a useful endeavor. And it's different once you have
an audience kind of like you do or, or you know, some of the

(53:46):
people that in some of these communities now have.
But if you're a smaller account and, or even if you're just kind
of curious, make an alt and try to CTO something like try to try
to genuinely start something of your own from scratch or near
scratch and see how much effort is required.
It is, I mean, it's borderline impossible unless you can create

(54:08):
like a strong enough team that that from other relationships or
whatnot that you know, you have a real foundation to work with.
And even then, that's just the start.
So I I. Bro forget CTO ING just like
start a blog, just just like do any yeah do anything before any
of that just DCA consistently. How about that?

(54:28):
Yeah, it's. True you.
Know that's, that's one thing. I think, you know, the second
thing is like, it really makes you appreciate when you are in
these kind of like top, top coins, how much stuff goes into
them, how much blood, sweat and tears.
And, and once you actually get involved, I think you start to
realize like it, it actually gives you more faith in my eyes

(54:52):
because it's like, you know, oh,the price is X amount lower.
You know, it's been wide days that it's been, I guess down
here consolidating or whatnot. And these people are still
showing up every single day, working as hard as they can.
Like they actually, they're not going anywhere, right?
Like they, they've proven themselves over what's now been
almost two years for a lot of these coins.

(55:13):
Some, some are over, you know, that they are dedicated to this.
And so, you know, I think I think having like a true mission
statement is an important part of that because it actually,
it's like the glue that that brings that truly makes it
cohesive and kind of gets everybody on the same page.
And I think there are a lot of ways you can go about that.
But you know, I think these consolidation periods are kind
of useful because ultimately people who don't have that

(55:35):
vision, they start to get pissedoff, the price isn't going up,
they get frustrated, they lash out.
It creates some kind of contrasting opinions.
And ultimately that's kind of for the best.
Even though it's it feels and itkind of can look shitty.
It's, it's a good thing because the higher concentration you
have of just refined believers and people who are truly

(55:59):
dedicated to the cause, the better, the less confusing it
will be when there actually is like kind of more fruitful times
for new people, you know, the more kind of trauma bonded those
people will feel, the harder they'll want to work for each
other. Like it's all good stuff.
It is, but it's a, it's a, it's AI.
Don't know. I think it can be.
It can be hard to watch unfold sometimes.

(56:21):
Very true. You said something, by the way,
that I wanna, I wanna push back on a little bit.
It's not like a major thing, butyou see like the the audience
that I have, I don't think I have an audience.
I think I don't. I think I have.
I'm me, man, I said. What about me?
What do you mean? Oh, I just say like I watch

(56:43):
almost every episode. Oh well, Here's the thing
though. I don't think I have an
audience. I think I have trust.
And. And because I don't think people
are really interested in what I have to say.
I'm not a crypto genius. I don't have some obscene or
absurd record to speak for my knowledge and wisdom.
I'm not, I'm, I'm a pretty, if Ido say to myself, decent young

(57:08):
attorney. So let's see how my record plays
out. I've only been doing it for a
year that has seen some success in weight loss.
Like that's kind of my thing. You know, I, I graduated, you
know, well in my class for political science, went to law.
So look, I'm, I'm not, I don't think people are here for me.
I think they're here because they trust me to ask the

(57:31):
questions and have conversationswith the people who do, the
people who, who do know what they're talking about, people
who do have the record, people who, who, who are thought
leaders. I don't, you know, and I and I
think that that's, that's what this is.
It's I don't think it's so when people, so I don't think it's
like, you know, I, I, if I open up a, a space right now or like

(57:52):
a a stream right now and it's just me.
I don't know how many people show up to that to hear what
blue has to say about I don't know.
Let me look at my XR. I look at XR PS on my page right
now, XRP, right? No one gives a fuck what I have
to say about that. And they shouldn't, they should
not care what I have to say about that.
But what they should do is trustthat if they asked me and they

(58:13):
say, Hey, we want to learn aboutXRP, they should trust that I'm
going to bring someone on who does have the credentials that
I'm going to do my homework and that I'm going to have an
intelligent conversation with them and, and ask them the
questions that are in good faithto try and get real answers.
And I think that's the value proposition.
Yeah, You know what, I think that's very eloquently put.
I, I would, I would, I would argue that that is true.

(58:37):
But there is a second order consequence to that.
That is an audience that's beingbuilt, but maybe that it's a bit
more. You're right.
I'm being, I'm being to some extent.
I'm, I'm being. Yes, I'm, I'm, I'm.
We're talking about semantics here.
You're. I think you're kind of correct
though. But I do think I think that that
trust is potentially even more valuable than than, you know,
having an anchored opinion on something because it's much more

(58:59):
flexible and it's a lot more kind of honestly, at times, like
interesting because you get to kind of get a lot of opinions
and people will respect, like you said, your, your or trust is
maybe a better word that you will do a good job in preparing

(59:20):
for that, that you are like a reliable kind of kind of filter
of of personalities and, you know, topics.
And it's a team behind me, by the way, like the, the team
behind me, they're, they're the ones that, you know, they have
the record. They, they know what the fuck
they're talking about. And so a project will approach

(59:41):
because I'm, I'm kind of like a toddler on a leash to some
extent. When it comes, you know, someone
will be like, hey, you want to be on the show?
And I'm like, yeah, I'd love to have you on the show.
You know, I want, I want to talkto everybody.
And, and so the team will be like, let's look, this entire
project is extremely bundled andyou know, whatever.
And I didn't even know what thatmeant at first, but they, they
kind of stand and, and they're able to verify things because

(01:00:02):
what I, what I realized too is that.
People, people are going to wantto take advantage, not in a
obviously like in a bad way, butnot even necessarily in a bad
way, but just they want to capitalize on the fact that
when, when I have someone here and, or a project or a person
like it, it's, I think it's starting to mean something.
And it would, it would break my fucking heart if, if I had a

(01:00:25):
project or a person on here who went on to scam or rug or
whatever, like that would break my heart because it's like we
try to do our best. We do, we do our absolute best
to make sure we don't do that. And so not that anyone or
anything that appears on the show is ever an endorsement of
that thing just by itself. You know, it's, it's, it's clear

(01:00:46):
what I'm endorsing, But like, it's the, you know, Long story
short, I just think that that's like that is, the value is, is
and I, and the only reason I sayit is because I don't, I think a
lot of people see somebody startsomething, they see it catch.
I, I've been honest about the numbers.

(01:01:06):
We're at like 6, more than 6 million views in the past three
months across all platforms, closer to 7 million views.
They see those numbers, they, they see the engagement and they
think like, they make this assumption that like, oh, blue
thinks he's this or he thinks he's that.
And, and I, I try to ignore mostof that because it's, that's
very rarely ever coming from people who are saying that in

(01:01:27):
good faith. But in the off chance that it is
like, I just hope they understand that I understand
that that people aren't coming here for me, you know what I
mean? And, and so like, I, I get it.
I I do understand what the show is and, and I just want, I guess
I just want people to know that.Yeah, I mean, I think that's
fair. And I, I, I think for those who

(01:01:49):
have good intentions, like it's pretty clear that you 'cause I
think people who've been here for a while, like obviously one
in X people is a scammer. And it's it's, you know, an
unfortunate much higher ratio than or percentage, I should
say, than than anybody wants it to be.
And so I think like things that seem trivial in kind of X, like

(01:02:09):
other niches on the Internet, like showing your face, like
kind of, I don't know, preparingfor things, putting thought into
things is much more rare here. And that's because like there's
a general demographic that that is trying to appeal much more.
So like I said, to this kind of gambler core type of persona,
and you know, I think there's a,there's a subset of people who,

(01:02:33):
who kind of despise that line ofthinking and that's why they're
so attracted to this world. Because, you know, I've used
the, the decentralized start up analogy a lot, But I for me,
it's like the easiest kind of analogy, you know, that that's
to me, that's what this stuff is, right?
It's, it's a, it's a commitment to a marathon over a Sprint in
return for a larger outcome and adventure, you know, like a like

(01:02:58):
a team sport where you kind of win or fail together on these
Herculean tasks, right. And I think there's like a ton
of value in that. And I think there's, there's,
you know, perhaps even a bigger value prop in that.
Then there is in kind of like the volatility trading aspect of
crypto by a, by an order of magnitude that is like quite
unaccounted for if you were to look at like the valuations of a

(01:03:18):
lot of these things. So I, I think that TLVR, what
I'm trying to say with all thosewords is that I think that this
show and you embody that idea very well.
And so I think that for the people who are more attracted to
that world, whether they're coming here for you or, you
know, the, the interviewee or some combination, they are

(01:03:39):
attracted to that discussion around crypto much more than
they are, you know, like, like fill out the trade form, right?
Like what's the ticker? That type of shit?
Yeah, yeah. And, and I think, I think more
than anything, in some ways, this show is, was, is just, is
yet another manifestation of Maraud's thesis.

(01:04:03):
Yeah. In in many ways, that's what
this is. It's a, it's a real world
manifestation of the underlying thesis that that is behind so
many of the projects that we love.
I mean, I think that's really what it is.
You know, I, I think just to touch on that for a second,
'cause I, I, this has kind of been, you know, in the back of
my head a little bit for the last few months especially.

(01:04:25):
But it was one of the original reasons that I was really drawn
to Maraud's thesis. And I think it's really
strengthened And, and that is that, you know, I, I, I think
don't get me wrong, like the vehicles are really important.
The actual memes, the actual tokens, the coins are really
important, but there is like a like a kind of like a
sociological backdrop that it isextremely hard to ignore at this

(01:04:50):
point that I think is is has given me so much faith in the
theses that we believe that thatMaraud has championed so well
and and I I think like that there are a couple parts of
that. I tried to put it into a post
yesterday, but you know, I, I'd love to, I, I'd love to talk
about that for a second. Yeah, and I was actually, I'm

(01:05:11):
staring at the post you made. This is you titled it Why pure
belief assets are the end game. And this is I wanted to talk to
you about this today as well. You posted it September, is it
yesterday, yesterday at 7:49 PM.So if you if you're about to
head to that, that's exactly where I was going as well, Love.
It we're on the same page, yeah.So 100% I, I think so one of the

(01:05:32):
like reasons that, that I have been kind of really obsessed
with these things for a long time is, you know, beyond like
all of the aspects of Pbas that I think are appealing, which,
you know, we probably both shareand I think different aspects of
them appeal to different people and it's not.
Hold on a second cow we we are talking about this post, right?

(01:05:55):
Yeah, the one from yesterday. It's called reason #1 like why
pure relief assets are the end game.
That's the one. I'm.
I'm going to put it on the screen.
That's why I just want to make sure.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, no. You're good.
Toss it up there. Yeah, I think so.
Like just as a little bit of context, you know, I, I, it's
not, this is not to dismiss likeall the other factors that are
really appealing about these things.

(01:06:15):
I, I, I, I've, you know, what various coins and various
aspects of those coins are, are appealing in different ways to
me. But one of the reasons that I've
been able to, I guess, remain soconvicted in all of this for for
as long as I have is realistically like a lot of

(01:06:36):
externalities to crypto itself that I think have really only
accelerated in in like their objective truth.
And what I mean by that I made AI made a I'm going to, I'll get
to this in a moment, but I made a post almost three months ago
or four months ago or something,I can't quite remember about
how. And we talked about it on flip
the stock market. Bitcoin was a social phenomena,

(01:06:56):
right? And and, you know, it was kind
of one of the first assets that,you know, you could describe as
a pure belief asset, but was oneof the first assets that has
kind of ascended at the rate that it has.
Obviously it's the fastest growing asset of all time, but
has kind of, I guess, reached the podium that it has that does
not have, you know, some sort ofinherent tangible value.

(01:07:16):
It isn't gold. And I think you can oversimplify
that by stating it as digital gold, but I actually think it
goes beyond that. And I think it emerged at a time
where people realistically needed a way to circumvent the
powers that be, number one. Number two, like the kind of
like incessant money printing that we know to be as rampant a
problem as it is today really started after O 8 and, and #3

(01:07:42):
like humans to get to this firstreason here, humans are innately
competitive, right? It's, it's Darwinism like at its
core. People will always try to find a
way to get ahead or to kind of shuffle their status right to
climb their ladder in all of history.
Like no matter what era you lookat, no matter what region you

(01:08:04):
look at, it becomes very clear that it's innately human to try
to become more for a subset of the population, right.
And you know, I think that like in the late stage capitalist,
but more importantly, the late stage technology kind of
environment that we live in, youknow, it's now becoming easier

(01:08:25):
and easier for the people who have the advantages to
accelerate those advantages. And it's becoming harder and
harder for the people on the peripheral to compete with those
who have the advantages. I I'll stop there for a second
before I go full autist. Like, I think we'd probably
agree with that as a as a initial assumption.
I think so. Yeah, right.
So like you know, now call, callit 300 years ago if you had $10

(01:08:50):
million in today's cash, you might lose it across
generations, people might make you responsible decisions.
You know, there was a, there wasan entire gamut of outcomes that
could occur that now due to kindof, you know, automation, moats,
whatever things like that are are much more difficult to lose

(01:09:11):
those structural advantages. And in fact, it's much more
likely that those advantages kind of, you know, accumulate
even if the core kind of holdersor owners of those advantages
don't, you know, kind of actively contribute to the
advantages that they have because they're just like these
processes for retaining, well, for retaining advantages are
much more fleshed out than they used to be.

(01:09:34):
So that that's one thing beyond that, you now have, you know, a
group of people you could call the 99%, you could even start to
say it's like, call it the 99.5%who are feeling like
structurally priced out of even,you know, flirting with the idea
of getting ahead, right? You know, and these people, like

(01:09:55):
I think 15 years ago, 20 years ago, almost 1817, eighteen years
ago with Bitcoin were kind of called anarchists to some
extent. Some of them were, don't get me
wrong. But I also think that a lot of
them were, were frankly trying to figure out a way to get out
of a system that they foresaw collapse, which I think they

(01:10:16):
were very, very kind of early toas an idea.
And we're correct, right? So what, what, what's driving
that? Like, my, my point is even 15
years ago, you know, there was agroup of people who saw that
like there was, there was a, thebeginning of a collapse of a
system of true meritocracy. And, you know, they looked for a

(01:10:37):
way to circumvent that. It might have been because they
thought like the US government was gonna fail.
It might have been because they thought the American experiment
was over. But either way, they wanted to
get away from like nepotism and kind of like like closed
backroom cabals that they saw asdecaying and into, you know,
kind of like a more merit based approach.

(01:10:58):
Right, right. I think that is inherently
human. I think there's a lot of
evidence that points to that. And I think that no matter what
you do, unless you were to extrapolate so far out that, you
know, you're essentially alluding to the idea that that,
you know, humans essentially evolved beyond that because all
of their needs are met, which would take, you know, centuries,

(01:11:18):
right? To, to fully like change human
psychology, then then that is like, that is an objective truth
that we all live in right now. Reason #2 the state of the
world. There is kind of this
interesting situation where people are generally being
forced into like a hormonal corner of fight or flight,

(01:11:40):
right? Where you have obviously like
the median home price being likesomewhere in the 400 thousands
in the US, stagnant wages, cost of living outside of housing
even skyrocketing. You know, most people are being
forced into just straight up fight or flight situations and.
Perpetually. Perpetually and given the the

(01:12:01):
kind of headwind that, you know income and generally like like
money as a concept is you know has has kind of slowly eroded
over time. It's value that means that that
stagnant wages plus like the thejust kind of devaluation of the
dollar create this situation where no one can even really

(01:12:22):
pretend that stacking, you know,their salary to a certain point
is the path to quote UN quote freedom anymore.
Like it's it's it's not right. Even if you are someone who's
making a lot of money, it's verydifficult to truly get ahead
with that because if you invest safely, you're only keeping pace

(01:12:46):
with inflation. And the people who are
theoretically above you in the hierarchy are doing the exact
same thing but with way more money, right?
So they're accumulating your salary on leverage, doing
nothing, right? And so it forces people into
this situation where they have to ask themselves, OK, how, how
can I create mobility for myself?

(01:13:06):
You know, I, I don't have a vehicle that that can help me
kind of accelerate things. And I think that's why there's
been such an increase in the last five years in like, I, I
guess like acceptance of investment risk, people trying
to become founders. I'm sure you've seen it.
There's like a fetishization of like Wall Street jobs going into

(01:13:26):
private equity. There's even like, obviously
like a lot of kind of sexual ties to it where there's like a
lot of kind of like, I don't know, women or if you're gay,
there's like guys who are like, they're very into just people
who have these high status jobs because it's one of the few
escape vehicles left. And so I, I'm sorry, I know I'm,
I'm, I'm, I'm kind of rambling at this point, but like this to

(01:13:49):
me, this is like what gives me so much faith in this
inevitability. So if Bitcoin was the ultimate
coordination game, then number one, it acted as a proof of
concept for however many haters that that APU has or SPX has.
You know, Bitcoin being the novel idea was had many more

(01:14:10):
right and and was dismissed as like a like a, you know, just an
era of speculation, you know, indefinitely basically until
last year, right. And so if there is now consensus
acceptance that that is not the case, and actually all the
people who, you know, were on the Bitcoin bandwagon at some

(01:14:31):
point in the past were correct, then, you know, it actually just
proves that coordination games game theoretically have value
creation as, you know, like an inevitable outcome.
And that doing that on permissionless rails, doing that
on a blockchain can create valuefor people.
And so, you know, there are obviously like asterisks that

(01:14:55):
come with that has to be organic.
You know, it has to be a big enough idea that it motivates
people enough to to to want to do this stuff.
But when you have that kind of like external context and then
you also have, you know, basically this all all these
other little bread crumbs, IE you know, you have like the
mimification of, of Tranfi stocks, You have the kind of

(01:15:18):
like mimification of a lot of like IP OS and, and commodities.
And like, you just generally have this world now where assets
in general are just pure supply and demand.
Like these traditional models that tried to put structure
behind their value have become increasingly irrelevant because
technology has accelerated so quickly that you know you really

(01:15:42):
you are incentivized as like a founder to build the best
marketing engine possible, to create the biggest promise
possible because that will get you the highest valuation, not
providing X dollars in revenue. Well, there's also, I mean, yes,
but there's also a complete likethere's an obsession with
optimization to the point where the, you know, in the law, we

(01:16:05):
say an exception swallows the rule.
Maybe that makes no sense without context in the law, but
yeah, so Supreme Court justices will say this a lot where like
where they they will recognize the law and then they'll say,
but there's an exception to thislaw.
But the exception ends up encompassing more cases than the
enforcement of the rule. Yeah, I wish I had like a good

(01:16:27):
example, but sorry, I was an inappropriate analogy.
But essentially the point is, isthat there's a, there's a point
where the just the, the exception of a rule becomes more
more widely applicable than the rule itself.
OK, more things fall into the exception is the idea.

(01:16:47):
And I hope I'm not getting sick,man.
And the optimization is kind of like that where everyone's
obsessed with optimizing, you know, min maxing all this stuff.
I, I see it in video games. Video games is a really good
case study for this. Look at video games right now,
man. Look at the I don't know.

(01:17:09):
I don't know if you're a gamer. I feel like you, you told me
once. Maybe you were.
I used to be a much anymore, butI think it's a great analogy
because I think it's related to this, to this phenomenon. 100%
So look, look at trading, right?Trading has been, it's a solved
game at this point. It's like it's impossible.
It's it's been optimized to hell.
Gaming has been optimized to hell and all, all trading is, is

(01:17:32):
gaming with money. And and so it's like if you, if,
if you're too, if you're a gamernowadays, you'll, you know that
there are no good games. Yeah.
Like they're just, they all suck.
All games suck. It's because they're, they've
all they've turned into like the, the Omni game or the UNI

(01:17:52):
game. It's like every game is the
same. They become this like gigantic
thing. There's a battle Royale, there's
a team deathmatch, there's an MMO.
Like it's weird. And the ones that aren't are
just like too obsessed with the wrong things.
And trading is the same way. Meme coins are the same way.
Finances. Life is like this right now.

(01:18:12):
And what happens is especially in the founder space, people are
so obsessed with optimizing theyforget what it is they're
optimizing. Like they get so sucked into the
process of mining and maxing or min maxing that they that they'd
lose sight of the product and and what they're actually

(01:18:34):
selling. And so it's like they've we in
America and in the in the West, we are the we have streamlined
shit. That's what we've done.
We are really, we've done this with food, right?
And that food arguably is one ofthe first places we did this,
except for maybe transportation if you want to look
historically, OK, we we looked at food and we said, wow, how

(01:18:55):
can we get the most of this for the least amount of cost to the
most amount of places? And look what it did to food.
Food sucks. It's literally poison, right?
Same thing about cars, you know,like transportation.
And same thing here with companies and with finance and
with meme coins. And so that's why the ones that
I think are going to be able to say, you know what, we're OK

(01:19:19):
with some inefficiency short term.
When I say inefficiency, I just mean like uniqueness, right?
We're OK with some uniqueness because in the long run, yeah,
there's a premium. You pay a premium, right?
It costs money to build. Look, look at the way stores are
constructed. Every store looks the same

(01:19:40):
because it's cheaper that way. And so, yeah, there's a, there
is a premium to pay for making your store stand out.
The construction costs are higher, the maintenance costs
are higher, but it's short term cost.
Long term, you'll get more foot traffic.
Your, your brand and your identity is, is more prominent.
It's more established. People feel a connection and
that is where the value really is, their connection to you and,

(01:20:03):
and brand loyalty. And this is what this is what
Murad has done is he is, I don'tthink he's ever said it like
that, or maybe he has, but he has taken this simple concept of
redefining what utility really means.
And, and let's, and let's face it, the only people who give a
fuck about optimization at the end of the day to a certain
extent are the people in, in boardrooms like, oh, we can, we

(01:20:26):
can save 5%. You know what I mean?
Everyone, everyone else is just like, I would like it if my
Starbucks didn't look like my McDonald's, which didn't look
like my City Hall. Like I would like it if all
these buildings look different. And I didn't want to kill
myself, you know what I mean? Like.
Interesting about that. Like so like this all starts
from from first principle and like incentives, right?

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So incentives Dr. the outcome. So, you know, capitalism breeds
competition, competition breeds optimization.
And so that's why you actually see, in my opinion, like if you
go to a New York, right, you actually see almost like the
inverse of this phenomenon, but you don't see the like prices
reflecting obviously something cheap.
But you see these kind of trendier places doing, getting

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more business, right? And like kind of doing better.
And it's all because like, you know, it's, it's, it's an
incentive game and it's, it's intheir best interest in that
environment to create like status around some of these
things. The optimal route is actually to
remove optimization for those people because then it becomes
trendy or chic or desirable. And like, overall, I had a, just

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to wrap up like my, my previous point, just 'cause I, I, I, I
kind of just went on a, like a mega rant, so I apologize.
Crypto is the first vehicle thathas ever existed that creates
like a like a like a democratic meritocratic process for people
to create like, you know, an an insane amount of wealth in a
what has historically been a really short period of time.

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Like, you know, accredited investors in the USI think you
have to make $350,000 a year or more.
You have to have $2,000,000 are the only people who could
historically invest in like start up deals, unless it's like
a friends and family round or there's like a vehicle acting on
your behalf. So even in the best kind of
years of start up investing, those were, you know, exclusive

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to people who either had access or were already in these like
kind of nepotism circles. And so Bitcoin actually was a
social paradigm shift too, in the sense that, wow, now anybody
anywhere in the world can accessthis thing that, that might see
value accrual, who knows, but itmight see value accrual.
Obviously ETH and like programmable block chains, like

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really accelerated that. But it was the first time ever
that, that someone sitting in a,in a chair in a random place
without talking to someone couldparticipate like in, in, in
finance, you know, without proving who they were and, you
know, jumping through all these hoops and whatever, all of these
processes. And So what I think we're seeing
now is kind of an acceleration of like what, what crypto's true

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value proposition is, which is #1 like an escape valve from
like a failing system and #2 like a way for people to play
coordination games at scale and benefit financially from them.
And so, you know, like I said, there are some kind of
prerequisites to that. Things have to be organic.
There has to be some form of like mission or reason that you

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know, token A is better than token BCD and all the way
through the 10 trillion other ones that there will be
eventually. And I think as like a final
thought, I had a when I first got into crypto as like a like
AI guess an employee. I was referred by a friend who
is one of my smartest friends who I actually currently work

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for. And you know, I, I invested in
like a chain that he was helpingbuild with a bunch of other
people back in 2021 or two, I forget.
And I invested just 'cause I think he's really smart and I, I
trusted him. I didn't, I fucking, I didn't
understand what the hell was going on, to be honest.
I was like a, a noob to the moreadvanced, like just on chain

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stuff at that point. And one of the people behind it
was like a very wealthy, very successful in the 2021 run
people he had like he was like first two board apes and like a
bunch, you know, he's very naughty.
He had the largest supply of crypto punks at one point.
Very, very like infamous in likekind of the prior cycle for

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being like a very smart and autistic guy.
And he wasn't an amazing boss, but he he was very, very smart.
And one thing that that really stuck with me that he taught me
like back in, I guess, you know,this was a conversation I had
with him before I started full time, but late 22, early 23, is
that he thought that crypto had like a fundamental incentive

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problem. Like in the sense that that
incentives are fundamentally misaligned across the majority
of projects. But that comprehensively this
space had the potential to have basically the greatest incentive
alignment in in human history, right?
And that stuck with me, especially last year and this
year, as we've seen, you know, scams become harder and harder

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for people to pull because the incentives are completely
misaligned. And all the people at the top
make all the money and, and all the people at the bottom have no
money left to spend on it. And this is one of the first
times in, since of the ICO boom and just in, in all of crypto
really, that Frothys's pinpost best explains it.
You know, the people have a fairchance to participate and to

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show their loyalty via DCA ING, via like social contributions,
via art, you know, via a millionother things.
And so I, I, I don't see a worldand I don't want to be
complacent either cause anything's possible.
But I don't see a world where that product market fit with
that social backdrop does not create an insane amount of value

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on a, you know, 5 to 10 year time horizon.
So anyway, sorry, I just stole like that was a long time.
But yeah, I. Think you're right?
Yeah, that's just something likelike, I think the social
components of that are overlooked by like a lot of
people because I, I don't see another path, like I don't see
somewhere else that people can go.
I just don't. I my only concern is that what

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if people don't care? What if, what if my generation,
I mean, we're almost the same age.
What if our generation doesn't care?
They don't care. They don't care that they'll own
nothing. They don't care that in, you
know, the the world population is collapsing.
What if they just? What if we're just at such a
point of apathy that they just. Don't care.

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I think. That.
That will be so I think on a long term time horizon, call it
50 years, 100 years, that could absolutely happen.
You know, 'cause I, I just thinkpeople, people could adjust to
what would at that point be presuming like, I don't know,
robots in the eye don't take over the world that, you know,
that could be the new reality for people.
And in many ways it might be better than humans competing

(01:27:11):
with each other because all of these other entities are better
at competing and, you know, theyout compete us as, as
competitors like that, that thatcould happen.
But I think that number one, if I've learned anything from like
being a salesperson in my life and just in general about like
human psychology, people are very uncomfortable with change.

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They don't want to change. And they will, like I said, in
that kind of first reason, they will innately try to find a way
out of the discomfort of just accepting change.
That's not everyone. I think there will be a subset
of the population that just submits to this reality 'cause
they say, you know what, I can'tbeat this.
Like it's too big a mountain to climb.

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And I don't blame those people. But I think that that, you know,
it is, it is inherently human totry to use their ingenuity to
find a way out of what is like alike a cornered situation.
And I think this is one of the only vehicles that that truly
exists that can help people. I agree with that.

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I I agree this is the solution to that problem, at least the
the first solution to to those problems.
I think there will be others, and I think there have to be,
but this is the immediate solution I think.
But to answer your question, there absolutely will be a group
of people that that are not going to give a shit and they
will just be like, you know what, I'm going to wave my white

(01:28:34):
flag. But there will just who knows
the ratio, but there will also be a group of people who refuse
to play that game. I think so too, but I, I do, I
do think long term, I don't know, like I, I, I just, I
can't, I, my, my powers of perception and, and prediction.

(01:28:59):
There's a wall on that, you know, I don't have such a
vantage point. I, I, on the one hand, I can
totally see a revolution. Like if, if, if the whole world
is AI, then what's left? Like it's kind of like the, it's
like taking the problems of the West.
And I think the problem of the West is that we have, we have it

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too good. We don't have, well, a lot of us
don't have a purpose because there's just not a whole lot for
us to actually do. That you mentioned.
Right. And it just, it takes that to
the extreme. So it's like.
So what's left? Yeah, I, I mean, it's a great
question and I, I have a couple of thoughts there.
I, I first of all, I think it's like this stuff is accelerating

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at such a rate that who knows, right?
There is no, there is no, it's all theoretical.
Nobody knows what's gonna happen.
And I think that's just like a, like a, a scary idea for people.
So, and it's fun. It's also fun to kind of try to
predict what's gonna happen. I, I personally think that the
optimistic case and I'm a, I'm adelusional, I'm a delusional

(01:30:03):
bull baby. Like I'm, I'm a, I'm a
delusional optimist. Is that, you know, there are a
lot like, I, I think the traditional employer employee
relationship is a very unappealing thing for a lot of
people. I think it is exploitative.
And this is coming from a capitalist.
Like I think it's exploitative. I think it's pretty 1 sided.

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I think it's not beneficial manytimes to the, the quote UN quote
underling or like plebeian. And it's extremely like to the
people at the top of the feudal system.
It's like obviously maximum beneficial, right?
And that that that gap has only accelerated.
And so you, you, you kind of have this situation unfolding
where, you know, now you have very unsatisfied workers.

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You, you have like kind of this idea that you can flirt with as
an employer of AI and robotics where it's like, OK, you know,
these people are dissatisfied with me.
I have to deal with kind of a range of emotion or circumstance
that that just comes with human error.
What if I had something that wasperfect and I could completely,
100% rely on to do these kind ofwhat are realistically menial

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jobs? I think there's a world where
that's mutually beneficial and people are then kind of, I
guess, freed from from that idea, if there's something to
meet their basic needs, whether that's a Ubi or something else,
who knows. I think you could kind of see
like a renaissance of human spirit where people, you know,

(01:31:31):
get together on ideas like, I don't know, I and I'm not saying
every job goes away. I just think they're.
All the idea, but here's OK, you're a delusional bull.
A delusional. Optimism.
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm not delusional.
I am optimistic, but I'm also, I'm also a realist and I'm
pragmatic. And history says that when

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humanity is bored and has nothing really to focus on,
typically what follows is eitherextreme ideological, ideological
reformations and a lot of war, alot of war.
And, and if and if people don't have a reason to exist anymore,

(01:32:15):
it's a race to the bottom. So it's like, OK to have kids.
Well, we're not, we're already not having kids, right?
And, and, and, and because we don't need them, essentially,
it's been, and I don't, I don't agree with that, but that's like
the reason, right? People don't feel that they need
them and people don't feel like they can afford them.
I. Don't.
I don't see AI fixing that. I see AI making that worse,

(01:32:36):
where now I don't have a job andlike I don't need a family.
Like I don't need AI don't I don't have a farm to work.
I don't need a family to kids totake care of me when I'm older,
right? Like I'll have like there's not
a real the same social pressuresthat once existed aren't going
to be there anymore. So from a from a evolutionary

(01:32:58):
standpoint and a psychological standpoint, the people who will
keep having children will be thereligious people.
OK, but with that, that carries its own bag of of worms, bag of
cats, can of worms that like that has its own problems, which
typically that means that we're going to see a a radicalization
not, not of not in, in terms of magnitude, but in in proportion,

(01:33:22):
right? You will see more people turning
to faith because the rest will just die out and then that will
be the new fight. We're headed towards a crusade,
essentially, in my opinion, yeah, I like 203 hundred years.
We're looking at a gigantic crusade.
Yeah, I think faster than that to be honest.
Like I, I, I personally think that like if you look at the

(01:33:44):
slope of, of exponential growth in, in technology, that is in my
eyes, driving a lot of this inequality in a lot of these
outcomes because it's, it's driving unequal financial
outcomes, which is then creatinglike a, like a, like a massively
like, like an insurmountable gapin, in kind of all forms of

(01:34:06):
equality, not just financial, but you know, kind of
psychological safety sociology, like all these other things,
right? That's what really only
accelerating with time. And I don't see any fundamental
reason why that would change, especially with kind of
tailwinds like AI and robotics and quantum computing and all
this type of stuff, right? It really only adds fuel to the
fire. So I think everything you're

(01:34:28):
saying is, is, is honestly probably like it's, it's
probabilistic in my eyes. I, I, I don't think that that is
all good, but I also think that the trajectory that we're on is,
is very bad. And I think that it will require

(01:34:49):
reformation of some kind personally, like I, I just,
it's, it's very clear it's unsustainable, right?
And so who knows what that like quote UN quote rebellion looks
like. I personally don't think it has
to be kind of full of, of like, I guess blood and, and sorrow
and a lot of these other things the fullest extent.
But it, it, I think it's a, it'san inevitability at some point

(01:35:12):
because like these rich people are only going to get richer.
And sure, that will create a lotmore kind of like, I guess also
also rich people. Why?
Because where's the value? There's no need to create value
anymore. No, no.
When I say value, I just mean the price.
Prices are going to 0 for everything, right?

(01:35:37):
I'll, I'll, well, they'll have to.
Everything will be. Oh, you're saying?
Not right now, you're saying eventually.
Eventually, yeah, because it's like everything will just be AI
and robotic production. Costs.
And AI will be able to take careof itself.
Like the robots will mine the cobalt, they will mine the
lithium. Like sure, it's completely
self-sustaining. So it's like.
So that goes back to like my, mymore utopian view, like the

(01:36:00):
world that if you skip the transitory phase where people
are, you know, kind of have the they're spoiled for riches in
many ways. And, and, and that could enable
like a renaissance of kind, right?
Because then people are are ableto, instead of spending what is
right now, probably the average American experience is one to
two jobs to, to either, you know, stay afloat or to kind of

(01:36:25):
pay off debt that they took on to get those jobs like that.
That is not a meaningful human experience.
I think we'd probably agree on that.
Right, so the question is just whoever gets there first,
whoever, whoever solves this AI question, it's an arms race.
Whoever gets there will will decide basically what the future

(01:36:45):
is. Is the future Great now we can
wage war on everyone or is the future and in a matter of
minutes or is the future, hey, we are now able to defend
against any AI attack and we nowhave completely self-sustaining
energy. Not in terms of like when I say
self-sustaining energy, I mean the self-sustaining economy like
we might. We've just retired our entire

(01:37:07):
citizenry. Everyone can now go back to the
farm, live like A and the whole world could fit in Texas.
You know what I mean? Like we have the land to
disperse in such a way where everyone can have their land and
their family and their church and like, you know, and, and
peace be upon us all. Like I, I, I say that as a, as a
joke, not really, but it's a, it's a translated it.

(01:37:29):
But the point is, is that like like, and we all would happily
ever after. That's that's really the better.
What I really meant to say pointis, is that like, it just
depends who gets there first. I want to give some shout outs
to some people commenting. Monge is in the chat.
Hey, Monge, good to see you. The ones that wave the flag will

(01:37:49):
be overwhelmingly vaccinated. That's so funny.
Carbonators in here talking about Ubi and gross compliance.
Yeah 5G. Thank you for providing this
level of content for CT friends.It's insane to think that we
inhabit the same space as degenerates and scammers.
Love this combo. PMS I'm a cow stand.
I'm a 5G stand. Well, you know, he and then he

(01:38:09):
goes because we need a name to come up for we need to come up
with a name for cow fans. I mean, Cowboys.
I'm a cowboy or I'm a cow stand.I don't know.
We need to think this through A.Lot of milk there.
Someone asked if cow holds any APU.
I'll let you answer that one. Of course, of course, APU is one
of my APU SPX in in in giga are are like far and away my biggest

(01:38:30):
bags and kind of like my three favorite coins.
You know, I, I have like, I kindof have like different, I guess
relationships with all of them. But I think that they are, I
guess like the absolute they they're they're two things.
I think that they have the clearest mission statements and

(01:38:51):
#1 and #2 I think that their holders have done the most work
to bring their token to life to kind of, I guess, begin the road
of accomplishing that mission. And so I think that, that that
is not to be understated. And this shows a great example,
which I think is super differentthan the way SPX approaches it,
which I think is super differentthan the way Giga approaches it.

(01:39:13):
I don't think that I think all these, I talked to Southern
Fried chat about this yesterday.I, I think it's difficult to
say, you know, I guess how exactly all of this will unfold
in the end. And I, I, I personally don't
think there will just be 1 winner, even though I am most
foolish on SPX, you know, as a, as like a token and category
leader. But I think that there, there's,

(01:39:35):
there's not one, like you said earlier, blue, all of these
things can be so many different.Like there's an infinite amount
of possibilities. It's a blank canvas, right?
And that's a beautiful thing. And it's it, it's also a reason
that that everyone here should be even more bullish because
there's no single point of failure and it solves an

(01:39:57):
inordinate amount of problems for people.
And so I, I just think that those 3 tokens kind of have the
highest Tam and I've done the most work to evangelize their
project beyond like basic bull posts on Twitter.
A. 100 percent, 100% Cal two things.
Sure. We have to wrap it up here
because we have a fantasy football draft.

(01:40:18):
Do you do fantasy football? Man, not well.
I don't. I've never done it before.
It's my first time. I I think we need another person
if you want to do it. I don't know if you, I don't
know if you if you do. Like I like I should be
considered complete fodder but if you guys just need literally
need a warm body like put me in shirt, let me tell.

(01:40:40):
Them they're going to be great. They're going to be so happy.
Let me add you to this chat realquick.
It was supposed to be David Gockstein, but I kind of like I
I kind of told David I was like,David, you're doing fantasy
football with us. Yeah, he he did not consent
anyways, so we have to do that in, in a minute here.

(01:41:00):
But before we do, I want to knoware you familiar with NFT rancor
dot IO? I've seen a couple, so like I
said, I've been a little Mia thelast like 2-3 weeks but.
I'll say no more. OK.
Here it is. Fuck yeah.
All right, we got fast Dave up top.
Yeah, so, so this is this is NFTRancor dot IO, and it is, it was

(01:41:25):
built by Big Soda Boy. OK, He's an APU member, built it
himself. I was, I actually, I'm, I always
say this and I'll never stop saying it.
I was in a stream with him. I was like the only one.
It was very late at night. He just happened to turn it on.
I was like the only person in there.
We were just chilling. He was just programming it.
Super cool. You just go in there and you

(01:41:46):
discover the best NFTS through community rankings.
You vote head to head. Let's go into APU really
quickly. This is a tough one.
This is a tough one. I love the shoulder cats but I
seek seeking. Maybe a Mack truck hat fan?
Yeah, yeah, it's tough. It's tough.
You got to choose one. Right, I'd go right.

(01:42:08):
Yeah, so you vote there and it it'll tell you its record.
Nine wins, 3 losses. I'm choosing Blues because I
always go with the Blues. Got to go with the Blues.
There we go. Six wins, 3 losses.
We got to tell Big Sale that we need a little bit more time on
the win loss there. It's too quick.
You can. My you.
You were me. No, you, you go ahead.
I was going to say that you can.We have like a sign in here.

(01:42:29):
You can look at the top voters, you can look at their rankings.
Which of these do you like the most?
I I I love the retardio apples. There we go.
They're. Like my favorite?
Well, they're up there. Maybe not quite my favorite.
OK. I like it a lot more than actual
retardios. You can go up to the to the
rankings and see like per project, right?

(01:42:50):
And so it's just very cool. It's like a new way of of
ranking NFTS in a way that's like community based and just
it's very cool. It's a very new project and he's
adding new projects all the time.
Big set up, but I just want to make sure that you had a chance
to see this because. I, I haven't actually used it

(01:43:12):
yet, but I'm a, I'm a big, I like will go all the time just
on open C just to browse 'cause I, I generally love like really
I'll just look at Sprono's APU, APU NFTS and then aeons.
But I, I think it's super fun tolike try to find unique ones you
haven't seen before. So this is perfect for that.

(01:43:32):
Oh, yeah, and to see like hiddenvalue like, oh, everyone likes
this one by the way, so they do you have like a fake e-mail you
can use to sign up for this thing.
Trillion. Yeah.
OK, 'cause they're did. Did they add you to the group
chat? They're wanting me to do this
live by the they're wanting us to do the draft live.
I've never done a draft. I don't watch football, man.
I don't know anything. I don't really either.
Yeah, that's. Why?

(01:43:52):
OK, let me just let me add you to this chat.
Hold on. There's like 5 people who who
have never done a draft in here.This is going to be great.
It's going to have so much fun. This is the most APU way of
doing it. Just complete, Yeah.
I mean, everyone's probably justgoing to like, like there's
going to. I mean if it's live then people

(01:44:13):
would just troll in the chat andthen no one would ever know if
they got a good person or not. So this was this has to be done
tonight because tomorrow's the first NFL like game and so like
leave it, leave it to APU to do it like 5 minutes before the
deadline. A you got an e-mail.

(01:44:34):
I need some emails bro. This is so this is where we are.
This is the state of things. It's not as bad as what happened
during Autism Awareness Month. What happened during autism
awareness? Didn't we miss it?
We got like halfway through it and we're like, hey guys, maybe
we should do something. And then we went to the exact

(01:44:55):
opposite side on Shark Week. We celebrated Shark Week like a
month before it actually happened.
We had shark month, OK, And it was yeah.
Sorry, we're fans. I saw like Shark week content
like at sports clips and there'sa couple other places.

(01:45:18):
I actually saw some some ads forit and I just didn't look at it
the same anymore like we did Shark week.
Shark Week, right? Shark Week belongs to us,
honestly. We're going to get a a
sponsorship next. Next shark.
Absolutely, this is. This is going to happen.

(01:45:39):
It's. Good for them.
This is. I feel.
I feel so silly doing this. I've never done this before by
the way. Cow so.
Wait, where? Is there a place that I should
be right now? Yes, well, not right now, but
did you get, did you give them your like spam e-mail that in
the? Yeah, I'm, I'm logging in right
now. Hold.

(01:46:02):
On I'll add a Oh I. See add my e-mail.
OK, OK. All right.
I made the cut. You're in the, you're in the
group chat now. I just added you.
Saw that? Perfect.
This is like my third fantasy Football League that I'm in.

(01:46:22):
I have no idea how good my team is in any of them, but one of
them has to be good, right? Statistically.
I don't know neither. Do I I.
Don't. I don't know.
I don't know how to pick. I don't know what any of this
means. I am.

(01:46:44):
It is telling me that my name isbanned for whatever reason.
'Cause yeah, OK, for whatever reason, I.
See. Why is it?
Why would it? Why would it be banned?
It wasn't letting me put APU Staja in it.
It would take Blue APU, but not Blue APU Staja.
Whatever it is what it is. It is weird.

(01:47:09):
OK. Let's do so.
What do we do now, Tim? Like what?
Explain for us who don't know. Would we got to wait for the
draft to go live? And then just like in three.
Minutes. We'll get a randomly picked turn
order and then you pick your player.

(01:47:31):
I don't see what I got here. Hold on.
Oh my God, can you guys hear that dog barking in the
background? Yeah, it's that's outside of my
apartment, by the way. That is a super small dog.
Yeah, and it's in the street. It's in the street.
Yeah, yeah. That's in the apartment, like,
or that's across the street, like that's not even here,

(01:48:06):
man. David Gockstein rugged us again.
Past his bedtime. Man, I don't know what to tell
you. That man will be awake at 2:00
AM doing nothing. Well, it's because he's got to
get up to pee. Wait, why?
Why do they keep saying did I dothis?
What the fuck did I do? I'm confused, Tim, why are they

(01:48:35):
upset with me? Are you?
You're in. I'm in, but I have to.
Every single one of these that I'm in is in a different fucking
website. OK add fuck me your mind.

(01:49:02):
Your snake draft is not scheduled yet.
Yeah, it's a tentative set for 30 minutes from now.
Oh, we have some time, OK, I thought.
I love how we we have a girl on for the first time in like 5
ever for blue to talk to like anactual female and he's like not
now I got a fantasy draft. What do you mean?

(01:49:24):
We got Wendy coming on here soon.
At 9:30 we have an hour and a half.
Oh, OK, OK. Also what?
Like. Yeah, what?
It's funny because girls in football, never mind.
Oh, I mean, first of all, Wendy's a lady.

(01:49:46):
OK, let's just let's just call it like it is.
So are we doing it at 8:30? Are we doing it at?
I'm getting so many chats right now I don't even know.
Yeah, this is. I'm I'm having, I need, I need
an Advil. This is insane.

(01:50:07):
This is crazy. Make make live APU bingo.
David will be the first to join He's.
Not wrong, I like how 5 GS just like Joe.
What kind of bread do you like? What?
What is going on so? Many, so many distractions.
They're just, they're just trying to get my good players,

(01:50:28):
man. How does this work?
So, so essentially we have a, wehave a Can I can I stream it or
will is that like, am I giving away like information?
I have no idea. Will my draft get sniped?
I don't think they can snipe your draft.
I think you do it in turn order,so when it's your turn you'll
have. How do I know if I'm drafting?

(01:50:50):
So if I have like, fuck Arby's running back, right?
Yeah. OK, so yeah, Cal user, right?
So. I can it'll I'll only be allowed
to draft a running back, right? Like I won't be able to pick
like a quarterback as a running back.
That would be a bold move to pick a.
But I just want like, there are some like guardrails, like I

(01:51:12):
can't, I can't fuck it up that badly, right?
I think flex is whoever and thenI think you get like the rest is
what it says like you get, I think you get 2 running backs, 2
wide receivers. Yeah.
And you want to pick, typically from what I've read, you want to
pick your running backs, your wide receivers first and then

(01:51:32):
your quarterbacks. Sure, sounds good.
So I was, that's not how I was going to do this.
I was going to do this based offof who just looked best, you
know, I was gonna like rate themessentially.
That's that's how my girlfriend picks she she tries to pick the
hottest ones and she does prettywell actually.

(01:51:55):
Whoopsie. I tried to pick Taylor Swift,
but it didn't specify which spotit was on.
'Cause you, you know, they're winners, you know.
Well, yeah, they're in the the mainstage.
Kansas City's going all the way.But then there's mega winners.

(01:52:19):
Wait, so when does this starts? So I guess I thought we were
starting at 8. Is that not true anymore?
This is. True.
Since it's eight O 3, but it could be, it could be right
after. What's going on?
He says. We got another 10 minutes.

(01:52:39):
I think we're waiting for one person.
Who? Julio.
Julio. Julio, OK.
What does the loser is there like a loser thing like it?
What happens if you win or lose?Oh, like normally there's like a

(01:53:01):
punishment? Yeah.
I don't know, maybe it's like byPepe or something.
Never. I I I who knows?
Like it's normally league specific so we'd have to like
pick something. What are some good What are some
good punishments that are specific to friends?

(01:53:24):
That's a good question. But you kind of want them to be
like benevolent to some like like to the broader or or good
prank that it's the. Loser has to dress up as a we
have to buy them like a frog onesie and they have to wear it
all day. Do you know what a Do you know
what a like a chicken chase is? A who?

(01:53:46):
It's like a is. That is that where you like
basically tar and feather them in a in a non hurtful way and
you make them run through the streets.
Will we chase them? Not a knock.
They they did it in Borat, right?
Not the version I was thinking. I mean, this is a bar crawl, but
someone dresses up in a chicken suit and they go to like there's

(01:54:07):
like a general radius They go tolike like try to hide from the
other people. I guess kind of what you're
saying to him that that are looking for them.
And I think it'd be fine to makesomeone do that in a Nafu
costume, but I don't. Really, we're too worldwide for
that. Yeah, I don't really.
Want to change? That could require some some
logistics. Oh, Julio said.

(01:54:28):
He joined. Was he not the the missing
piece? This is the the suspense is
killing me and he's in. The Washington Greenskins is
funny. What'd you say watching that?

(01:54:50):
Huh. Oh oh.
You know it's the Washington Greenskins.
That is nice. Well.
This wars will never not be funny to me.
Why can't I see the member? Oh, there it is, the members.
OK, cows, utter Tomahawks. Or that's me.

(01:55:18):
That was amazing. 2 Two people that's not signed up.
Couldn't be me. Yeah, we're missing 2.
Who could it be? Is it isn't?
Isn't it everyone we have? How many people are in this
chat? Oh, you know what?
It might be Guardian. We have 13 people in the chat.

(01:55:46):
Yeah, I haven't seen Guardian. I don't see Guardian on there.
Dude, I'm I'll call him. I have his fucking phone number.
Ring him. Ring him, yeah.
It's a serious business. Doing it live on stream.

(01:56:06):
Yeah. Oh wait wait, I think I don't
want to if it get his voicemail I don't want to accidentally
dox. Him.
We could still hear the ringing.Hello.

(01:56:29):
Hey, how's it going? One second you're you're live on
stream with me. Oh, I.
Am. Yeah, now you are.
I just put you on speaker. Welcome, Guardian.
Cow said welcome. You can't hear him because I
have headphones on, but gotcha. Cow says hello.
Well. Tell him I said hi.
He can. He can hear you.
Oh. Hi.

(01:56:53):
So I don't know if you know this, but we do have fantasy
football in like 20 minutes. We have the the like the draft.
Yeah. I'm added, yeah.
I did give. I did give them my e-mail.
OK, but you need to click the link in the group chat.
Oh, I do. Click the link bro.

(01:57:14):
Yeah, just. You know you have a tangent
wallet. It doesn't matter.
Nothing can hurt you. That's.
True Penetrable. I click all the links.
Exactly. We're not afraid of links up up
in, up in this establishment. I actually enjoy links they give
me. They give me adrenaline.
You're stinky linkies. Well, you know, we're taking

(01:57:37):
this to a place I didn't think we'd take it, but there's.
AI get that a lot actually. I'm sure you do, there's a link
in the group chat, did you see it?
No. Hang on, let me let.
Me check link in the group chat.So many group chats.

(01:57:58):
I'm in seven two group chats. This is a real problem.
Average Average friend experience.
I think I'm like. And that's not counting Telegram
ones. I'm so happy this stream is
recorded too that long 'cause hesaid it so genuinely.

(01:58:21):
He's so genuinely was like this is a problem but there's like
400 APU group chats dude. Like 400.
Yeah, there's a lot. Oh, that was so funny.
I'm actually in five though on X.
That's yeah, that's that's like you're the you, you're the
lowest one, by the way, like youare.

(01:58:44):
You. Are the you are the friend with
the fewest group chats? That's crazy.
Oh my, my automatic league name is Spencer's Super.
Team. Nice.
That got to change. It's being turned into stocks go

(01:59:05):
up. There we go.
Hey, make sure he changes his ohwait, now he.
Make sure make sure you change your what your name, your full
name because it'll like docs that so just be careful.
My full name's already out there, I just don't have any.
Social media, which is why people.
Don't know my face. Oh wow, so I have like, that's

(01:59:25):
OK. Wow you're so special bro.
Yeah, right. I.
Thought. My face docs, what's that?
It's an inverse doxing. Yeah, wow.
I mean, Guardian just looks likePeter.
Like like what's Spider Man supposed to look like?
That's what. That's what Guardian looks like.
I can see that whenever wheneverI'm like I see someone's PFP for

(01:59:46):
so that was hilarious. Cat, what were you saying
whenever you seen someone's? Oh, I just like, imagine that
that's what they actually look like.
Like a frog. Yeah, I'm just like, you know,
munchies is like a woman with. Blue hair.
Let's go I'm. Currently ranked number one on
the league standings. How could that?

(02:00:07):
How's? What does that mean?
That'll be that'll be your last last.
We all are though. That's the that's the
unfortunate side. Of it, he he said he's beating
you. He's he's currently winning
against you. Wait.
So what's the when's the where'sthe draft?
How do I find? This.
How about here's here's what youshould do.
What do you what do you do rightnow?
Well. The draft isn't scheduled.

(02:00:29):
What'd you say? What are you doing right now?
What am I doing? Yeah.
Right now I am. Playing repo with a.
Friend. All right, well, you have about
20 minutes before we draft, so finish up and I'll I'll wrap up
this stream because cow's got togo.
I can just walk away and. Hop on the stream, that's fine.
Walk away. You want to hop on the stream.

(02:00:51):
Sure, why not? OK, we have, we have Wendy at
9:30, but other than that, you're, you're good to come
join. Yeah.
So we're I assume? That you're streaming the draft,
right? Yeah, we're gonna, but I mean,
Cow's gonna draft, but he can't be on stream for it, so you can.
What we should do, Tim, is we should send everyone a link to
come join us for the draft. It's a dope idea.

(02:01:13):
Yeah. And I can listen back to
everyone laughing more. Voices.
That'd be cool. All right, I'm hanging up on
you, Dang. OK, I see how it is just.
Join the stream. All righty, I'm coming.
All right, see you. What a guy all.
Right. I'll I think it's time you made

(02:01:34):
profile pictures for like everybody that's coming.
Yeah, LG, we need 12. We need 12.
Animated PNGS 10. We need 10.
We need 9. Actually, we need fewer.
You have 20 minutes to make 7 because I don't need one and you
2 already. Well you're not in it so 8 we
need and no the cow doesn't want1 so and doesn't need 1, so 7.

(02:01:57):
You have like 20 minutes to make7 animated PNGS.
Godspeed, Good luck. Easy.
Dude, Yu Gong is back. Is Yu Gong.
Like I I, I tweeted this out theother day.
I was like, I don't know a single person that doesn't love
Cao, and Yu Gong is another one of those, like I don't know a

(02:02:19):
single person that doesn't love Yu Gong.
Yu Gong's a legend. Then he I remember him from like
the many days and he was like he, he was one of the him Nate
Art school, like one of the people.
There's another guy, Lucifer, who were, you know, really good,

(02:02:39):
did a really good job at like propagating the, the like cat
coin super cycle thesis, which Istill think has some merit, just
doesn't like resonate with me enough to to kind of be actively
involved in it. But he, I, I always respected
that he stuck to many like as, as I know he's still involved in
it. So I, I know there's like no

(02:03:01):
kind of like bad blood there or anything, but it's just you can
tell when someone has a lot of attention to detail and actually
gives a shit that they go that they're going to go the extra
yards and anything that they do.And I think that's a big reason
that that unstable coins doing as well as it is.
Cal, let me ask you something. Hey there girl.
Let me, let me, let me. I'm still, I'm still, you see my

(02:03:21):
shoes, I'm still in like work attire, dude, I I got home from
work and. Did I make you Sprint?
I'm sorry. What's that?
Yeah, like, actually, no. I, you know, it's funny.
I live about a mile away from myjob.
Yeah. Oh, so you can actually walk?
Well, and so and so if I if I just started sprinting, I could

(02:03:42):
get here in 7 minutes and if anddriving takes me about 15.
Yeah, Oh. So just cause of traffic and
getting in the car, getting out of the deck.
So I was like, it's actually faster for me to just Sprint
home. And so I was like, I could make
5:30 work if I just just booked it.

(02:04:03):
Just the second I got I got off work.
Just fucking book it in these these dress shoes with these
wooden soles. I have these.
I don't know if you can hear. No, you can't hear, but it's
like anyways. It's like.
Yeah, yeah. So how do you manage to stay?
You're like this ray of sunshineon the timeline.

(02:04:23):
How do you manage to say stay sopositive?
Thank you, man. I don't know.
I, I don't really know. Like, like, OK, here's a real
answer. I have been kind of like doing
#1 like I've always been like a busy body.
I like to do stuff and you know,it, it, it brings me joy to like

(02:04:48):
be involved, you know, and, and #2 I've been kind of like, I
guess either working multiple jobs or like working my main job
and like having, you know, a company on the side or whatever
for years, man. For like 3-4 years.
You're chilling. I like that.

(02:05:10):
You look like. You look like when you go to the
Planet Fitness and you see one of the guys like.
What is this casual Friday around here?
How are your therapist? Or, or it's like a guy who's
testing out one of those chairs in like the really nice stores.
Is Kyle your therapist right now?
How do you feel about that? Tim, I'm exhausted.

(02:05:30):
OK. He's like, how do you stay so
positive? How do you do it?
You know, if listen, here's the thing.
You could take you could take a load off here and there.
I think that's fine. If I can't be comfortable.
That was never coming on again on this.
Imagine. If I can't be comfortable on

(02:05:51):
this show, look, hold on, wait aminute.
LFG is a retarded frog. You are a Cyborg frog.
Can we can we just put things inperspective?
OK. I'm the branding material, man.
I'm the only one that's actuallygot a frog.
You know the website that is behind me.

(02:06:12):
I still need to ask you guys howyou make these.
How do you make the animated PNGS?
Oh shit, didn't you wanted one right?
You wanted like an animated cow.Yeah, I, I mean, I'll get to it.
It's like. You'll get to it.
We need to get to it. It's we have to do it.
No, I guess you could do it. It's.
Not like this is not like an emergency, right?

(02:06:34):
Yeah, LFG. Sorry LFG, I'm not trying to
give you like slave word. No yours.
Yours is super easy because it doesn't really have a mouth,
right? Oh my, my, my Aeon.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess.
I mean I. Don't know, let me let let me
work on yours right now, Don. OK.

(02:06:58):
OK. You know what, Carol?
Let me complain about my team for a second, though.
Let me complain. So like whenever they're on
this, my mic is like breaking whenever they're on the stage,
they don't like. So like I've had to highlight
all the comments myself basically, except for like one
or two. So they're not highlighting

(02:07:19):
comments, they're not managing the chats.
It's they're just not doing any,you know what I mean?
It's like. They're busy making me pictures.
We're we're in, we're in the chats, bro.
What do you mean? We're the ones in the chats
talking to these people. They have 400 chats to manage.
It's that is true 5 or Tim 7? You want me to?

(02:07:41):
You want me to highlight this? Yeah.
Highlight the one. No no no no that too, but that's
funny. No, the one above that where 5G
says I love LFG. This one right here.
Yeah, no above. That.
That, yeah. Oh, above this.
OK, Yeah. Sit up.
What? The fuck?
Wait, what does? It say above.

(02:08:02):
That. Sit up straight.
It's easy to stay positive. Highlight the one above that.
Yeah. It's easy to stay positive when
you're unstable as fuck. They're not the same thing.
We just like to work, Yeah. Real.
It's true. Real I'm.
Gonna. Answer.
I mean blue. What what?
What do you? How do you go about it, man?
Staying positive. I.

(02:08:22):
Don't. What do you mean?
Well, OK, no, it's not not stillpositive, but like.
The. Always on kind of requirement
that that you have to have. Well, that's a very different
question because I'm, I'm alwayson, but you're always positive.
I mean, you're also, I feel likeyou're also always on.
I'm just like, I don't know, I'mkind of just like a, like, I, I,

(02:08:45):
I kind of almost like, I almost think like such a pragmatic
approach to that shit. Hold on, hold on, Tim, can you
pull up cookie dot fun? Can I pull up cookie dot fun?
Yeah, it's easier if you do it on your.
End God damn it you can. Interact.
With the website. Fucking.

(02:09:05):
Hell. But the chair that was.
Great. That was awesome how quickly it
flipped from horizontal to vertical and man I'm sold.
That was a good chair ad. Look at the tension springs
right there man Got it. This stream has been brought to
you by whatever the fuck this chair is.

(02:09:27):
OK, so Kao says that. Kao says he's not always on,
right? Except he's been inactive for
the past month, OK? Or really like more than that,
OK. He says he's not been on for a
month. OK, this is the cookie dot fun
of APU for the last month. OK, he's.

(02:09:49):
He's 4th. This is him not being, not being
on. Unbelievable.
This is the this is the last week.
He's what is that 7th, 8th. He's 8th For someone who's not
active. Get the fuck out of here.
You're always on. You might you?
You might want to pretend that you're not, but you are.
You're always on. I mean, yeah, I'm not, I'm not
saying I'm, I, I mean, I, I justhave like, I, I don't know,

(02:10:12):
something's wrong with me, you know, like I can't, I can't stop
by thinking about these things. It's kind of a problem, you
know, to be honest. But whenever, whenever I have an
idea, I just write it down and, and ship it.
Even if I'm not like like when Ithink about like being on or
active, it's about also being engaged.
And like, I haven't been that engaged in the last month in the
sense that like I'll say something and I like to like go

(02:10:33):
and reply to everyone or actually see what people are
talking about more. And instead I feel like I've
just kind of been like, Oh, thislooks pretty good.
Like let me retweet this or let me like, I haven't, I haven't
been like very as involved as like I would like to be.
But also, it's a different levelwhen you're actually talking to
people, you know, like right nowor like, I guess how it's been
is I've been busy and it's like,OK, I have 30 minutes.

(02:10:55):
Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna say a bunch of stuff.
I'm gonna reply to some people and then I am just back into the
abyss. So I think it's different if
you're like actually talking to people.
You got to be a fucking person. He had.
What do you mean? Send me a link man.
This this this this guy, this kid.
Fucking unprofessional late. I'm just kidding.

(02:11:18):
I love Guardian. Oh, that far?
Back oh he's been waiting for a minute for the like he didn't
realize that I was anyways, the fact that it's not a OK, let me
just to answer your question, Kim I I also can't stop thinking
about it. But there I remember there was
this there is an infamous one ofthese days.

(02:11:40):
I'm going to make like a tell all video of this like the most
infamous night in Pon talk history.
Oh, do tell. There was just this like there
was this massive, massive crash out, massive.
And and that was the team, that was the day that the team you
see here today was like solidified, OK, That's where

(02:12:01):
this was born. This version of Pontoc was born.
Hell yeah. The two producers, they don't do
anything. And then?
These two, these two are my lifeand soul.
I love them so much. And but yeah, but I'll also give
them shit and be like you're notdoing fuck all when they're not.
But let's not. Forget that the job is to be
beautiful on the screen. Someone's got to do it, bro.

(02:12:25):
It's true. It's not me.
It's not me, I. Also don't want to ever
highlight the messages. Well, you're in the middle of
talking about something because it distracts you, and then you
guys stop conversating about what you're doing.
You're right, that's also been aproblem.
But oh, you motherfucker, you motherfucker.

(02:12:45):
Is that what I think it is? That is.
The that's the This may or may not be the blue one of one
stonks. NFT.
Stonk. Has it been minted yet?
No I just threw it on. I was scrolling through my saved
images and it was right next to the the guardian one of 1 and I
was like I'll throw on this one instead.
Oh, that's cute. Beautiful.

(02:13:07):
Let's add it looks like we need to add cousin to this as well,
so let me add him just real quick.
See, isn't the resemblance uncanny?
I just want to say. That looks like what?
What's funny is that when you guys eventually see what what
Guardian looks like, that looks like if in an alternate
universe, Guardian was blue. That's what that looks like.

(02:13:27):
No, that's true. I agree.
It's my hair's blonde, but I mean a simple hair color change
and and there you go, I got the middle part.
I got the. Middle part, but it's a lot
longer. My hair's a lot longer.
I think you need a an APU tattooright on your cheek like that
blue. Does that come from?

(02:13:49):
Does that come from the stream where I had the stickers on my
cheeks? Yes.
'Cause that might have been the first stream we met actually.
I know. It was the. 3rd stream together.
Oh OK, I can't remember. Left an impression though.
Yeah, I guess I have a photo of me from there, I think an.
APU tattoo would be sick. They made they.

(02:14:10):
Did you see this photo of me? They made?
No. These psychopaths, I love them.
What? About a tattoo of blue.
I don't know about that, but buthold on, I want you to see this
real quick and then I'll finish the story real quick before
'cause I know you have to go. Yeah, this one dude the the meme
team behind behind these people.It's insane.

(02:14:35):
Five GI want you to know by the way I'm reading these.
Oh, yeah, I did see this. I did see this.
It's incredible. It looked kind of like like if I
hadn't seen the original picturefirst, I could have believed
that that was real, that that was a person potential.
Dude, I don't hate it. I don't hate it.
Either I don't hate it either it's kind.

(02:14:56):
Of yeah, poo placement is what gets me the most.
And also that choice of APU likethis one, my gosh add.
Yeah, so there's so many comments to pick up on.
I want to. What price do you get that?
I if we get, if we get to 66 billion, when we get to 66

(02:15:23):
billion, I'll, I'll, I'll get anop an OPU tattoo.
Ah dude I mean at 1 billion I think most of the people here
would be financially set for a good portion of their life.
So like I mean you can you can get some tattoos that may
compromise your ability to be a lawyer if you got screw you

(02:15:46):
money. What's up?
Shut up. Come on. 66 billion.
All right, I'm like, fine, you know what?
I will get a very small APU tattoo at 1 billion.
Let's go. That's what we wanted to hear.
It's all about the place the. Fucking face hat.
But anyway, so on that night. Very small, so I assume it's

(02:16:08):
going to be somewhere, you know,sensitive.
Oh. That's kind of sensitive.
That night that if it's. Way.
Funnier at that. Time I'm getting cook, I'm
getting shot at from every direction.
I also want to go to these 5G comments.
So let me finish up this. Let me finish this up real
quick. That that infamous night, it was

(02:16:30):
the mother of all crash outs. It was just utter destruction
and it was also like one of the worst days of my life.
Anyways, it's like, notwithstanding what was going
on with within X and and the crash out happens 15 minutes
before stream. And I remember there was a it

(02:16:50):
happened and it was just me, Timand LFG in the in the discord
server in the call and I was just sitting there and it was I
think I don't know how long thatpause was, but it was such a
long pause to me. It felt like an hour had passed
where I was just breathing, likeI was just trying to get it
together. And I don't know who was the

(02:17:11):
first person to speak, but therewas a question of like, do we
cancel stream? And I was like, no, like, like
it took me a second, but like I,I snapped back in and I was
like, no, like we don't, I don'thave the privilege of being able
to like crash out and not show up.
Like if, especially if you remember, this was in the first

(02:17:31):
few weeks of pawn talk. So I'm like, if I do this one
time, it's over. Like the the idea, and maybe
that was dramatic in hindsight, but at the time I was like, I
need. Yeah, it's early.
Days. So yeah, yeah.
So it's like, I'm like, if I do this, like it's gone.
Like why would anyone show up ifif things just get cancelled
Willy nilly? And so I was like, and I was

(02:17:53):
thinking about it after the factthat like I, I really couldn't
afford to like, like, no matter what happens, I'm gonna show up.
And so to answer your question of like, how do I, how am I
always on? I can't afford to be off.
You just force yourself to. I can't afford to.
I don't have that. I don't have that that privilege
like like with with the amount of other like and I and I and

(02:18:16):
now I'm gonna this is the first time I've ever acknowledged
competition in a way that isn't lovingly and and and positive.
But and it's not that it's not positive.
It's just I'm acknowledging things.
We're all fighting for mindshare.
And so and so if if I take one day off where I'm just like not
innovating or not thinking or not whatever, then it's like,
who knows? Like pawn talk falls off.

(02:18:39):
You know what I mean? Like who knows what happens?
And I know that there are other people who I don't even know who
they are yet, who are they're going to launch their stuff or
they're going to do this. So it's like I can't stop.
I can't stop. You.
You have opened a Pandora's box of sorts.
Yeah. And that's a great thing.
I mean, that's a great thing, like.
Yeah, I don't regret it, but it's like that's how I do it
because I don't have a choice. Imitation of Slaughtery, right?

(02:19:02):
Oh, and that doesn't to be, to be honest with you especially,
you know, I love, I love the themoon cat people.
And so when they when they launched moon talk, my my
comment was yeah, yeah, they have a moon talk.
And now my comment underneath was, this is a brilliant name.
Like I know what I said was whoever came up with this name

(02:19:25):
is a genius. That's what I said.
Dude, you have to go. You told me you had to go around
this. Time.
I mean, I do have to go like, like we're in the middle of a
conversation so we can finish. Fuck it dude, we talk all the
time. You like.
If you need to go, go. I don't want to keep you here
like you gotta. Run.
Is he gonna do the draft? I can, I can.
I'm gonna do the draft. I have to like, walk somewhere.
Yeah, he can't do it on I'm. We're making him be late and I

(02:19:47):
feel like an asshole 'cause I knew he couldn't stay this.
Late. It's not a it's not a very
serious thing. Like it's all good.
Well, well, Kao, thank you so much for what's that?
I'm just saying like I'll, I'll hop now.
I'm just saying you. Know no, no, no, that's, that's
bullshit. Like, you know, long story,
long, Long story short, Kao, thank you for for joining me

(02:20:07):
here on pawn talk. You have been a huge influence
not just on me, but on this space, on this community or in
this community and in this space.
And, and there's a reason why I think you have like the highest
approval rating. Of anyone in the space truly
honestly thank you so much for joining us and thanks for
everything you do I. Appreciate the kind words man.

(02:20:28):
I you know, like you know, I love this show.
You know, I love you. So thanks guys.
I appreciate it and see you. See you in the draft books, I
guess. Yeah, absolutely, man.
All right, guys, you. Take care.
See you, Cal. Bye, guys.
That was Cal, the man who needs no introduction but got one

(02:20:49):
anyways. OK, when I wish I had time to
like. Change the card again.
Yeah. We're still one person short.
We're still missing someone. Yeah.
LF Hey 5G, do you want to join our fantasy league?
Oh, so this is how quickly I'm dropped.

(02:21:11):
Fine. Go back to the basement bro.
Actually, I was going to offer an LFG to you, but then I was
like, you can't really even participate because of the time
difference. Yeah, stay in the basement.
But if you want like no. Come back, come back.
LFGLFG. Do you want to be a I'm good,
I'm good. LFG Would you?

(02:21:35):
Would you LFG Hold on. Let me.
Let me wait. Wait, wait.
It's the real football, though. Hold on, I'm I'm I'm, I'm, I'm
waste on Churchill of sports. I don't know what that means,
but LFG, would you would you do us the honor of being our 12th
or 10th member? I don't know which one it is at
this point. I I think 5G was born for it.

(02:22:01):
5G. We're just gonna add him to the
chat. Yeah, some, I I have his e-mail.
It's it's 5G at APU dot IOI think LFGI quit.
See people know, people understand.

(02:22:25):
I mean 5 GS in the walls so he knows.
He knows exactly what's happening before each show.
Dude, Can you imagine how they're going to react when they
find out I am 5G? This.
Is like third time's the charm for you?
You said Rekt is joining us. You conscripted David, now

(02:22:46):
you're like 5 GS gonna do it. He'll do it.
He'll do it. How could he not do it?
In, in the in the in the moment of need, in in the hours we
needed him most, he appeared. Right. 5G, he said.

(02:23:09):
Right, Right. Gandalf the White, are you
there? Please. 5G please kick Kung Fu
goes woot. Hold on, let's let's invite
everyone. I think this might be easier to

(02:23:32):
do it in a in a space. Fuck that.
What? No, there can be 15 people here.
All right, I'm back. Did I miss anything?
Nothing important. Yeah, you're the we.
We drafted your team already. Oh, shoot.

(02:23:55):
AI auto draft. I'm sure it's fine, AI usually
does a better job than me anyways in the Bobo league I'm
currently ranked #2. How long does it take to do the
draft? Is it quick?
Depends, is it like a one minuteper pick?
I don't know. What we did for the Bobo draft

(02:24:20):
is a 3/3 hour per turn. What?
Yeah. So people.
So it lasted multiple days. This is absurd.
I'm I will entertain not, not nononsense.
This is insane. It should.
Take like an hour. This should take an hour.

(02:24:40):
Because we couldn't, we couldn'tget a set time for the Bobo
drill. That's absurd that it took 24
hours. No.
What? No, it took multiple days.
It was 3 hours per pick. 12 rounds, 12 people.
I don't have an hour dude. Wendy's coming on in in 30

(02:25:01):
minutes. So she might.
Have to just draft in the background bro.
Get the important turns out of the way.
Yeah, the first like 3 or 4 are the ones that really matter.
That's true. Everything after that like the
AI is going to do a pretty good job.

(02:25:23):
Just make sure that I'm pick number like 2 or 3 or 4.
Use your magic blue powers. Yeah, exactly.

(02:25:47):
We should have made it so that on the APU NFT, it was like a
little 5G APU sitting on on Blue's shoulder.
That would have been kind of funny.
Oh my, that would be funny. Ladies and gentlemen, I am so
excited to announce the arrival of a very, very special guest.
The one the only popcorn. What's going on guys?

(02:26:15):
I had no idea how this worked. I thought I was just setting up
an avatar for the draft later. Oh, really?
Yeah, it's all good. What's going on?
I'm I'll bring people up, man. There is 5G is is just as he's
hopping into the he's, he's agreed he's doing it.
So he, he just needs to follow the instructions and he's

(02:26:36):
watching, he's listening community.
I'm going to bring them up. Hopefully they're prepared for
that. I thought, I thought we were
just going to use this as a way to get 5G to talk to us.
No one alive. Has heard.
The voice of 5G. Hello Blue.
How's it going? It's going good, man.
How? Are you?
I'm excellent. I just picked up my second.

(02:26:56):
Cat driving home with. Him today.
We're going to call him Chip. You say you kicked him out or
you picked him out. You picked him up, Picked,
picked, picked him up. Oh, oh, oh, OK.
I was like what the fuck? Just kicked out our second cat.
And we're taking him. Home right now.

(02:27:17):
Bringing him back. We kept the receipt.
Did you say the name was Chip? Yeah, his name's Chip.
Our other name is. Our other cat is Chet.
So we got Chet and Chip. Oh.
I thought you were going to haveChip and Chipperson.
We were thinking about calling him Stanley, but.
It's not retarded, you know. Nice.

(02:27:40):
Oh, chips, good. LFG how quickly I guess.
Popcorn. Would need to download.
Stream labs to to. Do it.
But I was thinking we could get him a really cool.
Animated PNG. You guys give me an animated
PNG. We probably could, yeah.
But you're. Gonna face.
Dogs. You're gonna face face dogs.

(02:28:04):
Well, yeah, but also they're cool.
Just. Yep, send me the base image and
I'll do it. Awesome, I think it may look.
A bit. Weird with the.
With the stonks NFTS because they've got tiny.
Mouths but. I'm sure it'll be fine, but you

(02:28:29):
know what it would be. Cool if you could get me the
separated background. So I don't have to.
Spend too much time on it. I don't think Ron sent it to me.
Let me. See Ron Ron, Ron.

(02:28:53):
Where's the DMS? So anyway, first come.
First serve as I had for what? What?
Are you talking about for the animated avatar?
Oh, where did Eustis Flim go? He looks like he.
His cell connection dropped. Yeah, OK.

(02:29:16):
I'm looking. For the background, but I can't
find it anywhere. There he is.
Don't worry about it, just send me.
The the base. Image that you're using highest
resolution you have all righty. And if you need.
To enhance it LG you can use theCanva.
I pay. I pay for that good, the good

(02:29:37):
version of Canva. So we can do.
That all right, so I don't want to I don't want to stream this
just because. I have to be very careful with
how I stream this. Given the information here, so I

(02:30:01):
guess I'll just. Stream my own page.
I don't know what. I won't share my screen at all,
that's just solves that problem.How's everyone else?
Doing tonight popcorn. Can't complain.
You excited? For the draft, I'm kind of
surprised we actually got 12 people you know, can't line and

(02:30:23):
do something. Oh, come on.
I mean, it took how? Long did it take We're at,
we're. 40 minutes past when the.Draft was supposed to start.
We barely got it done. It's my fault because like when
I told David he was doing this, he like he didn't object but he
didn't exactly consent either. Me neither, by the way.

(02:30:46):
I just kind of got thrown in. I was like, oh, OK, I guess I'll
do it. Yeah, by the.
Way a draft time still has not been scheduled.
So I know that that's intentional, but if everyone can
go. In.
And hit the remind, remind draftowner or league owner.

(02:31:10):
That'd be great. Because it spams IRA with
emails. It's spamming me with emails.
Yeah, you own the draft, right? No, Fuck no.
Never mind then I feel bad. Don't do that.
What? The fuck you?

(02:31:31):
Amen. Nice Kung.
Fu. Just got a nice e-mail from me.
Thanks a lot. Could have been.
Forever. That's fucked up.
All right, we have a full. Yeah, it's a full roster we
have. Everyone here, right?
Yeah. OK, cool.
We did it there. Is no doubt in my mind, no doubt

(02:31:51):
in my mind that this was going to work out.
I'm so used to spaces I keep looking for the laugh, react
emojis and. Shit dude, it's so.
It's so effective too. There's something addictive
about being able. To see like how people react in
real time, you know? I enjoy that.
I wish there was a way to. Yeah, I that was my first

(02:32:14):
thought too. I felt weird.
Being on. On the stream the first few
times I was on. Pawn Talk.
I was like, I like, someone would say something funny, but I
don't want to interrupt. And so I instinctively go to
like the laugh emoji, but it's not there.
I'm like, God, now I'm just quiet.
I feel like I need to say something.

(02:32:37):
By the way, if you need me to stall.
I have some opium charts. There is no chart.
I love you. No meme coin charts, major
charts. Oh, OK, bring bring on the
charts. All righty. 5G.

(02:33:01):
Is in Boys. Popcorn got.
Pick one. Are we drafting?
Is this happening right? Now.
Wait, it's happening right now. I think we're, I think I don't
know. Is it popcorn?
Do you know? Useless flame someone?
I just hit the button. I got Miller time up.
Draft is about to start. Oh shit, I did get the first

(02:33:22):
pick. Let's go.
Draft starts in. 15 minutes, it says join your draft.
It says it's drafting. All right, I'm pick 7.
Holy shit, game on. By it looks like this.
Oh wow. Blue, you're 11.
Oh wow, I don't know how this works.
That's. Going to be great I get to.

(02:33:45):
Really fuck up the. Draft right in the beginning.
Let's go. So I put my.
Heart instead of my head like a retard so you could share.
This I can share this screen Yeah, I can share the screen
because I. Don't really know what's going
on too much either. So blue.
Here's Here's who you want to draft, Do you?

(02:34:05):
Want to draft Lamar Jackson? In your very first pick.
I don't trust a goddamn thing you say.
I'm just kidding. You just want to draft 2
running. Backs this.
This season, all right. This is the draft.
In the Bobo League, I I. Said screw running.

(02:34:26):
Backs and I just went for right.Wide receivers.
What's Is this better? No.
Oh that sucks. That's worse.
That's probably as. Good as it'll get man sometimes.
I hate this platform. All right, so popcorn's making.
His decision? Is he?

(02:34:49):
Is he? Is he?
Is it, how do we know that drafting.
Yeah, drafting starts in 14 minutes.
OK, OK, OK. How do I know?
Oh. OK, OK, I see that.
So there's the projected points.Right, and that's what I.

(02:35:10):
Like to do I sort it by projected points?
What is BYE by week? So they're not going to play on
week, you know, 8910. Whatever it is so you don't.
Want to get a bunch of people that all have the same by week?

(02:35:33):
Because then you're going to be screwed.
You don't have to worry. About it too much.
You'll be able to pick up players each week, so you'll be
able to find someone to fill in if you have.
A couple players on by. Yeah, exactly.
It's not, it's not like a super big deal.

(02:35:56):
You just don't want to have like3.
Wide receivers. All with the same bye week.
And it's also just good to get like multiple players on
different teams too. So here's the problem I have.
We have a. We have wind, Wendy.

(02:36:16):
O coming on the show in 15 minutes, so this won't be.
Done in 15 minutes, right? This is.
This starts in 15 minutes, so. I think you may be screwed

(02:36:38):
buddy. This is supposed to start.
It I sounded like a Wisconsinite, you did.
You did. My Midwestern.
Roots coming out are you are youfrom Cheeseland?
I have a lot of family from. Cheeseland.
And I lived there till I was like 4.

(02:36:59):
Oh wow. And then I lived in Florida
until I was, well, I guess untilI graduated high school and my
first year of college was in Florida as well.
Also known as 50. What would you start college at?
14 years? Old or 15?
13 Yeah, that's disgusting. Having said that, OK, because

(02:37:21):
we're not going to be able to dothis live.
Popcorn. Useless flame.
Give me some advice here. What?
What should we be drafting first?
How does this work? I'm trying to figure out the
same shit. I don't know what the rules are.
I don't know can you be with oneone or running back or what.
Yeah, I think with the the points per reception format,

(02:37:43):
you're probably want to going towant to go wide receivers.
Pretty wide receiver heavy from the top.
Not to give away my strategy, but you and don't draft a
defense or kicker or like definitely do that last.
Yeah, like so don't take the Giants defense 11.
Probably not. Probably.
Not that's that's kind of retarded.

(02:38:04):
What to? Do now.
Yeah, yeah, you could probably get them.
In the second. Round though, you know, I think
they'll still be there. Yeah, don't.
Don't count on it. And Bill Carter's pretty good.
So blue. Basically what you want to do.
You know, if you want to. Get real technical about it is.

(02:38:26):
You want to pick the pick the player that's going to net you
the most projected points, right?
If you don't know a ton about football and you don't know the
insurance and outs and you know who's going to underperform and
outperform and all that, just left curve it.
Pick the one that's going to getyou the most projected points.
But take into consideration how many of each position you need,

(02:38:48):
right? If we're doing 2 flexes, 2
running backs, 2 wide receivers,that means that you could have
up to four wide receivers or 41 running backs on a team.
So even though they're going to net you less projected points
than a quarterback by upwards of, you know, 50 to 100 points,
you still want to pick a wide receiver or a running back early

(02:39:08):
on and then switch to QB's and somewhere between round 3 and
round 5. Because you just need to get
those those positions out of theway where you know, it's those
skilled positions that you need multiple of.
What about what are the, what's a flex?
So if flex is basically either awide receiver, a running back,

(02:39:32):
or a tight end. They're just like a wild card.
Yeah, pretty. Much.
And don't forget about your tight end too.
Like a lot of people. I see drafting.
Their tight ends in like round. Six or seven it's.
Almost as important as as your quarterback that's cat it's, I

(02:39:53):
think it's pretty important. It's really important if you get
like the. Best one but if you don't get
like the top. Two or three you could probably
wait a little bit. Same with quarterbacks, but I
mean I feel like there are so many close matches in fantasy
that are decided by your tight. End.
Have you been scarred by Casey? Potentially, Yeah, me too.

(02:40:19):
I've never had him and I lost tohim.
For like 10 years. How bad?
Is the Saquon AT11 going to be fading?
Fading tight end is a tough one because it's barren after the
top. Elite people, yeah, it's tough
to. Go.
But I usually don't draft them early.

(02:40:40):
I don't know. Every time I draft them they
have a crappy season. So.
Yeah. That's the thing too, they're
not as consistent. Yeah, there's it.
Looks like there's only. Six good.
Tight. Ends, and only three really good

(02:41:00):
tight ends and there might be onboard, aren't the only.
One really, really good tight end.
We'll see. Rock powers.
So how do you guys feel about the Packers this season?

(02:41:26):
That's a huge trade, man. Cowboys like a post.
No, that was crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. I think they're solid though I
don't. Know I always like the Packers
fan. It's it's.
It's tough to win in Lambeau in December.
They can make the playoffs that.Receiver's good.
The rookie receiver, you're doing a lot of good stuff.

(02:41:48):
I think it's AI. Think if there is a year where
the Packers. Could at least you know.
Get to the. Championship game.
If not the Super Bowl, it's It'slike this year's been the most
likely by far in a long time. That trade just broke
everything, man. That was what was the.

(02:42:12):
Trade. I missed.
Yeah, yeah. I was literally like that.
I I forget. His name too, but yeah, yeah.
What is it so he's? The best pass rusher in the
league, Michael Parsons was. Traded for I.
Think 2 first rounders for the Packers.
And really, they just couldn't. Work out of the contract.
It's more the hubris of the honor more than anything.

(02:42:36):
Like they should have locked himup long term, but I don't know.
But he's the best password. I thought CD was like triggered
to the Packers for a second thing.
I was like, what's what happened?
Yeah, it's a really good market,Parsons.
Right before the season 2. It's crazy.

(02:43:03):
I'm just this is going to be awful for me.
Do we Have we decided what the winner and loser get slash do?
Let's get that pot bigger. Oh, is there a?
Pot to this we're putting up. Everybody's putting.
Up. Oh, we are.
Who wants? To it's optional.

(02:43:24):
OK, I mean, actually. I don't mind.
Sure, 500K. Up who?
OK. High rollers this is.
OK, so. Unfortunately we have a
scheduling issue where. We were supposed to be 54
minutes. Into this and we have a stream

(02:43:45):
with Wendy Wendy O in 5 minutes.So what I'm going to do is I'm
going to close the stream out sothat I can get ready for the
next one. And then if if we're still doing
this after that, then I'd love to have everyone back up here if
you'd like to, but I don't have to wrap it.

(02:44:05):
I don't have to wrap it up. I'll host a space in the
meantime like if you guys want. That we can.
Still talk during the draft. Well, and I don't, I mean
popcorn. You typically hold spaces
Wednesdays. Are you hosting one tonight?
I'll probably do one at like. 10/15 10:30 Again if OK, yeah,

(02:44:28):
I'll. I'll wrap up before then,
definitely. Before then, yeah, no rush.
Forget stuff going on. So at least the community's
active. That's really what it's all.
About keep people doing. Shit together.
Terrific. All right.
Well, guys, I appreciate you joining and giving us some.
Advice. And I'll see you guys later.
See ya, good night. See you guys during the draft.

(02:44:51):
See ya. And for those who've been
tuning? In tonight has been.
Cryptic cow. And.
Me and Pon talk, it's been great.
He really is. Amazing.
There are only there are very few people.

(02:45:13):
In life, but like in crypto, butin life that everything they
touch really is like a special thing.
And he's one of those people. It was really awesome to have
him here and I can't, I can't wait till we have him back
again. Stick around, don't wait, don't
go anywhere. We'll be right back in about 5
minutes with Wendy O to continueour conversation.

(02:45:34):
She is a Pontok veteran. She was here not too long ago.
And we, we will continue that conversation.
Oh, oh, that's awesome. Look at that.
That's the the LFG. That's the the Guardian.
Wait, it's it's sorry. OK.
Anyways, Wendy O will be here inabout four minutes, so.

(02:45:55):
You guys don't go anywhere. Go, go to the bathroom.
Come back. This one's going to be an
interesting one. OK, I'll see you guys in a Well,
there's a frog going round. Taking names decides who to mean
and who to blame. Everybody.

(02:46:16):
Won't. Make it.
Ain't the same. Blue app when?
Pawn talkies fan in the flame. He's a blue frog, sharp in a
red. Cardigan.
Works by day stacking wins like a champion.
But when the moon rises, he's the king.
Of the swamp croaking up. Memes with a holler.

(02:46:39):
And stomp or blue app poop on talk.
Hear the call.

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