October 9, 2024 • 61 mins
Author, Teacher and Expert Lecturer, Dr. Betty Kovacs joins Pete to discuss the fascinating historical perspectives of spirituality and consciousness in this insightful episode. Betty explains the earliest beginnings of our continuing evolution as lightworks and demonstrates the many perspectives we encounter as both individual seekers and in the larger collective energy. Learn about lightworkers throughout the epochs of time past and the wonderful wisdom we all inherit as spiritual beings on our journey.
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I had no home to rely on, driving around in a passenger van, dreaming of when I'd ever begin
to start my life. That's when I moved to the city to be on the stage but the curtain had closed.
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You walked in the room and that's when I knew that I was home and my life will begin.
Well, welcome to the broadcast today and I am absolutely thrilled and delighted, over the moon,
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happy to be able to present a very, very special guest today on our program. It's been a long time
coming and it's finally arrived here. I'm going to tell you about our guest and I'm going to do,
by way of introduction, give you some of her credentials. We're welcoming Dr. Betty Kovach,
PhD, to the broadcast today. If you're not familiar with that name, you are going to be
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after this broadcast because we're going to do our very best to present her. Betty is very,
very multifaceted. She's a fascinating person. I'm just going to tell you, the books,
she's, I've been pleased, I've been able to read her books. The first book is The Miracle of Death,
There is Nothing but Life, and the other books I absolutely love. It's right on my desk,
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Merchants of Light, the consciousness that is changing the world. And I love those words,
merchants of light. It stops me in my tracks every time I hear those words, merchants of light,
because here on the broadcast, we're all about psychics and mediums and we're engaging in that
and that exchange of light, aren't we? Enjoying that. In addition to her website, which is very
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extensive, www.comlock.com, K-A-M-L-A-K, dot com, Betty is also, has a presence on social media.
She's built on Facebook and on YouTube and on Instagram, and she's also done a wonderful
webinar called Merchants of Life, hosted by the Forever Family Foundation. And we hope to talk to
her a little bit more later in the broadcast about that. And she's no stranger to online radio and
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online podcasts. She's been on the Signs of Life radio, Guided Spirit Conversations, New Thinking
Allowed, and Evidence of the Afterlife podcast, all of which I'm just dying. They're on my summer
listening list and I can't wait to dive into those, Betty. So in addition to being prolific as a writer
and on social media, she's also an educator. And so she's here today to talk to us about topics
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that we're really interested in hearing on in psychics and mediums. Before the broadcast, Betty
and I had a little chat and I was telling her how important what she does is relevant to me in my
own development. I would say I started off with mysticism and contemplation and I was really
digging very, very deeply into, and that journey led me to actually where I am today. And so
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that was all the revelation. Today we're going to talk to Betty about the continuity of life after
physical death. Before that, we'd like to give her a very, very warm welcome to the broadcast,
Dr. Betty Kovach, PhD. Welcome, Betty. Thank you so much. I'm really happy to be here to talk with you.
It's our pleasure. You've got a very extensive biography. I'd like to read something, one of
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your quotes, if you wouldn't mind? No. Okay. Betty, what else? I don't mind. Sorry. Actually,
too. There's two quotes that I really enjoy. And these have a lot of bearing on what we're
doing today. The ultimate fruit of the tree of life is the knowledge that we are all universal
mind, immortal, divine, and creators. Wow. Isn't that fabulous? She also writes, we have forgotten
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that the heart connects us to a larger reality that nurtures the birth of a just and feeling world.
Wow. So very, very deep, very philosophical and very, very truthful. And Betty's going to take it
from here. Well, so how shall I begin? Do you have a question about anything that I could direct
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my thoughts toward? I do. I know one of the things that we're passionate about here on the
broadcast, and we talk a lot about, and you know, we fumble around a little bit and we, you know,
we pick things up and we shake them off and we look at them and we squint a little bit. But it's
nice to have a credible expert on the program who has a lot of experience doing this. And
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I think your bio says that you've been, you have been a teacher for 25 years. You're bringing all
that knowledge and expertise to the program today. So let's talk about what we know about the
continuity of life after physical death. That's a pretty heavy subject to unpack, but I know you'll
be able to guide us through that. Yes. Well, you know, we've all in the West, we've all grown up
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with the Western worldview, which is that death is the end of everything, that it's a material
based on a material science in which there's nothing but matter. This is it. There's nothing
beyond this. And there's no meaning, there's no purpose. And we are a fluke of nature. And when
we're dead, it's all over. And this is for hundreds of years. We have been really brainwashed into
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believing this because this after all was the science. And so follow the science. If you don't,
then you're intellectually inadequate. And so this has been a great burden and a restrictor
of our consciousness for hundreds of years. And we might ask, well, how did such a worldview develop?
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Well, it developed because the powers that be, and this particular instance, the Roman church
had restricted the study of these scientists when they formed in 1660, the Royal Society for the
Advancement of Science. Those scientists knew that they could not study or say anything beyond
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matter. So why do we have a worldview that there's nothing but matter? Because these scientists
could study nothing but matter. They didn't have the tools that we have with quantum physics, or
with mysticism, to go beyond. Well, I should say some of them in that Royal Society were mystics,
you know, and scientists, but they couldn't let that be known. So when if we jump back a little
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bit, I would like to give just a little bit of the background is that what I try to show in Merchants
of Light is that we have a long and deep pervasive history of shaman, mystic, scientific cultures
scientific when they got to that point, because the mystic state, of course,
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the desire to study it in left brain terms or scientific terms, it's just natural. It's the same
thing, but looked at from a scientific left brain perspective, the right brain and heart experiences
it. So it wasn't separated before the defeat of those traditions. So we are really in the West,
we have really suffered tremendously, because we weren't considered smart. If we didn't believe in
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nothing, and just matter, and when you're dead, you're dead. And just there was the chuckle if
you even came up with anything else, or you religious, you know, well, religion did say there
is a world beyond, but they didn't seem to know much about it. Because religion had severed itself
from the techniques of achieving that higher consciousness. And when you experience that
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consciousness, you know that it's eternal, that there is no death. So there we were with a religion
in which we couldn't experience what they're telling us is true, and a scientist that says
it's not true anyway. So it's so we were caught in the Western world in a negative, dreadful,
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I don't think there has ever been a more pervasive, restrictive, killing worldview.
That imagine we bring up our children, teaching them there's nothing, there's no meaning in your
life, no purpose. And when you're dead, you're dead anyway, so what's it matter? And so there
are many people who have lived their lives as though it doesn't matter, destroy the earth,
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destroy each other, what's it matter? You know, whatever I can get for now is good.
So if, however, and that's been the journey, it sounds like of your life and of my life,
but I'm sure many people who are listening, is this true? Is there really nothing beyond?
And so many people have struck out to try to discover within their own experience,
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is this true? And I think you mentioned mystic Christianity. Well, these were the people
in the beginning who would not be suppressed and repressed by the church. There is information
that we now have that Jesus taught a hidden tradition that the people close to him knew
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of mystic states of consciousness. And he taught, for instance, the round dance or other techniques
to experience that for ourselves, that there is no death, that we are spiritual, creative, immortal,
divine beings. But this is what the church wanted to suppress. And the mystics knew the truth.
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And so the mystics became the heretics for the church. And many of them were murdered,
many large numbers of people, if they even had a book that suggested that or
were among people who talked about that, they were in danger. So that's what we in the West
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were left with, the so-called scientific materialism and not knowing because that was censored too,
that Jesus taught a hidden tradition. And now we're inheriting that knowledge in this,
I call this the fifth renaissance of that suppressed underground tradition.
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And many people are awakening from all different directions.
Absolutely. And it's fascinating. And you just explained that masterfully in a wonderful way.
And I'm very, very excited. So I made some notes and yeah, it's observable, isn't it?
It's called the themes, I've written down themes of repression. You can sort of see how in every
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age they continually just had this sort of thing where they pushed it away because
there was no scientific or their view of what it was, was the official view or
attitude towards it. What was acceptable was unacceptable. And yet when you look at the
original, you can discover the undertow or the mysticism that's in the original. And so many
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people are searching for that because it will reveal itself. And I can tell you, I'm living proof,
that if you look hard enough, if you spend enough time, money and energy,
you're gonna find the truth because we encounter folks like you who are
light workers who know, understand and give us that perspective. And it's available and it's
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coming more and more and more. And the irony of that is that they repress the scientific.
And now we're kind of going back to that, let's prove it using scientific methods. Many of the
people in the psychic and mediumship communities like quantified results when they're doing,
say for instance, readings or when they're seeking to get some, I guess,
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when they're seeking to get some idea of how they're doing our results. And we're going back
to that scientific application of this. Exactly. We're embracing it again. And that's very, very
healthy. It's refreshing to see that that's where we're going. Absolutely. Because we are not bound
now by that material science, at least those of us who know a little bit about quantum physics,
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because in the early 19th century, these scientists started seeing, oh my God, this is what the mystics
were talking about. And they've started reading that literature, but they couldn't put it together.
And it's only been in about the last 50, 60 years that scientists all around the world are beginning
to put it together through quantum physics. Now, many people in quantum physics don't because
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they're specializing in one particular area, but we now have the potential of a science that can help
us to know that yes, there are multidimensions, there are many realities, and we have access to
those realities. And the mystics were right. So here we finally, that's one of the reasons it's
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a Renaissance period, because finally those scientists, the quantum physicists have broken
away from the limitations of the old material science. And they're seeing, oh, this vast universe
and things scientific materialism could never imagine. So this is a tremendous breakthrough,
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but also it's the fifth Renaissance, because our knowledge of past shamanistic scientific cultures
are also emerging. In the 20th century, as I have in my book, Merchants of Light, there are so many
scholars who've discovered the depth of the cave cultures, or even discovered the cave cultures,
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and the sand bushmen, what they are able to achieve. They are able to achieve cosmic
consciousness through their rituals. And the West would just look down on them, who are they?
They're just primitive. We've been so dreadful in our egotism and our lack of understanding.
And then there's old Europe, Maria Gambutis discovered a tremendous culture in old Europe
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from about 6000 BCE. And a major symbol that they had was the labyrinth, which is a symbol,
like the round dance, but in a different, in that you go round and round and round,
and to the depth of who you are. And there we experience the divine, the all, not as other,
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but as self. That is so powerful. And then there was the Egyptian, which Egyptologists couldn't see
what was going on. But now there have been scholars who see in the depths of the mysticism,
and the incredible advance of that culture, in techniques. And I mean, they understood
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electromagnetic waves and stone and water and all of the ways to construct a temple, so that the
energy system, the field, and the human being, who is an aggregate of that field, could come together
and experience. So we are told that their temples are constructed like chapters in the sacred
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science. When you enter that temple, it's like an Alembic, and you are able to experience the realities
of that dimension of reality. Not the good enough brain, but the illumination. You simply know it.
They knew the value of that wholeness of the human mind to experience it. And then there was, we know
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now from Margaret Barker's research on the Judaic first temple tradition, that that was a shaman
mystic tradition that was destroyed by the Deuteronomy in 621 BCE. I mean, everything,
that sacred feminine dimension of the divine, which is the heart of all of us, or the right brain,
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the symbolic brain, is that that was destroyed. She was absolutely, there were many images of her
destroyed. The tree was a symbol of her because she was symbolic of wisdom. And wisdom only comes
when you have that mystic experience. They destroyed, burned down, cut down the trees.
And then we now know that the pre-Socratic philosophers, thanks to Peter Kingsley,
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that they too were great mystics and scientists and ambassadors. I mean, we didn't know this
at all. We had no idea. When I was in school, I read about the pre-Socratic philosophers and
know how boring go on. And with Peter Kingsley, the whole world comes to light. So we know these
things in this time. It's re-emerged as a Renaissance. And some people don't know it's
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a Renaissance at all, but many do who are searching. And you and I, and we've all, so many of us who
wanted to know, we've searched everywhere to try to put the pieces together. And I think many of us
are, and we're connecting together and adding our knowledge together. And I think it can be a real
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Renaissance of remembering who we are. Fabulous. Yes. Remember, and it's a breakthrough,
isn't it? Because we're becoming aware. And I just wrote down, there's an integral,
it's a human experience, I believe, it's an integral spiritual awareness that everyone has.
And we've been in denial for centuries and centuries about that other people don't have it.
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We just have it because of whatever influences we have or power, whatever it is that we think that
we- Or religion, whichever religion we- Right. Which absolutely is sort of a singular idea
of what the truth is. Religion tends to hold up what they think is the right path or the ideas
or prescriptions or whatever it is. And not to criticize or take away anything from someone who's
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on a journey and enjoying that spiritual development and that realm. Just it's a breakthrough,
isn't it? To be able to say that this isn't unique to us. Other people in the human experience
have spiritual awareness and have developed it over time. And it's people like you, Betty,
I just want to just take a pause for a second, who I feel are prophetic. You're like the prophet.
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And so when people look at those religious scripts and they see that there were people in different
ages who were actually pointing the way, holding up the light, shining and saying, this is the way
you can go here. And sometimes they did speak mystically from whatever motive they had. And
other people like yourself are sort of interpreting that for us now and giving us the fruit or the
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juice or the pearls that we're in. And then the most beautiful part of this is connecting it all
together for folks like you and I who just know it is all attached. We're all connected.
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And that's not just the spiritual realm where we tend to be
psychic, the mediums in my folks, but in the human consciousness experience. This is just so stimulating.
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And could I say one word and add to that is that it is tragic that many people who thought so deeply
and were finding some of what they needed within a church, let's say the Christian church,
that the bureaucracy and the men, we have to say, in the church who were resisting the mystic Jesus
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have done away with the technique. But they have also, and Christianity taught that it's
the only church, it's the only truth. Anytime we hear that in a religion, we have to know
there's something missing there because there are many, many ways to experience who we are.
That is, we are the divine mind, universal wisdom. We are born out of that. And we can know that if
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we can release the valve, I love how it's described that we are all born out of universal mind,
but there is a valve in the mind that we need to reduce that consciousness so that we can do
things like this or cook dinner or clean the house or mow the lawn, whatever. But every culture has
the responsibility of learning how to release that valve so that we have the mystical symbolic
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experience of the vastness of who we are. The church got rid of that. That was a mystic,
part of the mystic tradition. They got rid of it. No, we could only know through left brain teaching
and experiences. People were having experiences, their own inner experiences. From the church's
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perspective, you weren't supposed to go beyond the church doctrine. Many of them did, and they were
the mystics that almost got communicated. But the sad thing is, and I had a student one time in my
class, and there were many, like her, who was just Christian to the core and had really been saved
in that sense. And she almost had a nervous breakdown in my math class when she realized
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that this same kind of mystical, loving consciousness had existed from the beginning,
from 40,000, 30,000 BCE, and certainly all over the world that people were experiencing
this vast consciousness, this divine consciousness that we are. It was so hard because she had been
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taught. Only the Christian church had that. That's a limitation. She did go beyond it,
and she's still a member of the church, but she had to really work to reconcile the fact that
people have known this for a long, long time. It doesn't belong to just one tradition, one church.
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Sure. And I think I can relate to that because in my journey in working with folks,
I've encountered people who have those painful experiences. And I always hope that they persevere
through them and continue to look for the truth of whatever it is for them at that moment.
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And oftentimes they grow stronger through that. Oh, I think so. I think so. And it's
for many of them, for instance, this is the discussion that Christ was perhaps,
we're all divine, but what the church did… And let me jump back a little bit. Margaret Barker says
that here in 621, when the shamanistic tradition of the first Judaic temple was destroyed,
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that there were a few hundred years, and then they had a renaissance of that tradition,
and that was in the birth of Jesus. Well, there were many Essenes and Therapeute groups that did
not go along with the second temple, that they still were of that first temple shamanistic
tradition. And many people think that Jesus was a part of one of those groups, that he was born out
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of one of those groups. Certainly he was born at a time when those groups existed. But the church
didn't want to think of Jesus as a mystic, so what they did is they made him a god outside of us
that we had to worship. Well, this is difficult because Jesus, we now know from the non-Kamate
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texts that were discovered after the war, which the church would not allow in the canon. And they
told the people that non-Kamate, the monks, you either destroy these or we're going to come back
and destroy them. So the monks did not destroy them, they buried them. And we found these texts
after the war, and in those texts there are many different things, but we have gospels that reveal
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Jesus to be a mystic. And he says in those gospels, I did not come to save you. I came to remind you
of who you are. I am not your master. When you drink from my lips, you and I are one. And if you
bring forth what is within you, it will save you. But if you do not bring forth what is within you,
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it will destroy you. And it is not enough to follow the Christ, you must become the Christ.
Well, this was a different Christ. And so the Roman church inverted, they didn't want those
teachings. And they taught that he is a God outside of us, and we have to be saved. We're lack,
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we're deficient, we have to be saved by worshiping a God. But Jesus was saying, no, you remember
who you are and you bring that forth and you will be saved. This has been a very difficult
has been lost, but we know we're regaining it. And there's tremendous awakening when you're talking
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about the words of Christ, because people encounter religion from an open mind, I think oftentimes
realize a potential. There's a potential there to search to become more than you are. And
mysticism opening yourself to a bigger life that you have, a spiritual life,
you know, and all that that offers, you know, and it follows Christians are known as followers of
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Christ. And I think the ones that follow carefully and pay attention like you do can see how there's
a depth to this. It's not just doctrine, it's not just prescriptions, it's not just rituals, right?
There's a depth to what he's offering. It's wonderful to be able to see that. And it identifies
with us as humans, because we can look in the mirror and see ourselves as you said, divine,
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because he's presented that. So it's a wonderful perspective. It's very refreshing. And it's very
empowering for folks when they can achieve that sort of understanding. But it takes folks like
you who write about it and put it out there and allow us to pick it up and to work with it. And
you know, it takes time. And I was thinking that. Oh, yes. Yeah, it does. Yes. I'm just saying yes,
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it does take time. Sure. And you know what, one of the beauty of what you do is, is that you go back
in history, you see, and you can sort of see where we had things and they went away. And again,
you know, the themes of repression and mistakes and error. And if we look at them, they're not
always successful because we have achieved some higher states of consciousness in spite of all of
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that stuff, right? Yes, we have. And we love, we love in spite of. Sure, sure. Yeah. And regardless
of any of the labels or what we want to discuss it, it's going to be a fundamental human experience
to love someone else and to love God and engage in what you do, which is shutting the light and
showing others. So that leads us perfectly into our next topic. And I will segue just a little bit.
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We talk about a blueprint for conscious evolution. I feel like we're at someplace,
we're at a crossroads sometimes with everything that's happening on the planet consciously and in
so many different arenas and areas of energy where we're changing and we're moving forward.
I just feel like there's a collective consciousness, Betty. And would you speak to that a little bit?
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Oh, yes, absolutely. Is that, first of all, I want to say that part of this suppression and repression
has built within us the belief that we are inadequate, that we are less than. And I had,
when I was in Ireland one time and I was meditating before I went to Newgrange and I was
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feeling very humble and unworthy, I guess, or whatever, I don't know. And the spirit world
just stand up on your own two feet. We've had enough of this. You must know who you are.
And I think that's what we have been taught. We're nothing. We have to be fixed. We have to be saved.
We have to be, no, we need to go within and discover, experience who we are. So yes,
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we now know we have discovered this. We now know that yes, there is a collective consciousness of
which we are all apart. And it's cosmic. It's not just of the earth. It's a cosmic consciousness.
And, you know, I haven't mentioned it yet, but in my book, I talk about the four before the fifth,
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there were four Renaissance periods before this period. And in the first one was the high middle
ages, about 1000 AD. And what those mystics knew is that their heart was absolutely the same as the
heart of the world, of the cosmos. There's no separation. And that we are all at the center.
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We are all at the heart. We all exist at the heart. Now, Brance Swinn has said that too,
a cosmologist today. So we're discovering these things scientifically that the mystics knew.
But they're saying every spiritual journey is an individual spiritual journey, is a journey
to have a Renaissance in the collective. That we save ourselves and the world at the same time,
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because we are all one. We are cosmic consciousness, universal mind. We are one.
And we're all playing these individual wonderful games. And we fall in love with each other. And
we love the earth. All of these things are possible. All of these relationships, because
we divide ourselves into billions of different entities, whether that's human species, other
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species, animals, the earth. I mean, the earth itself has a consciousness that we've forgotten.
And our ancestors wanted nothing more than to know the laws of that consciousness of nature,
so that they could work with them. And therein comes the blueprint. Is that our ancestors began
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to realize that there is a blueprint for our development. And we find it in the laws of nature
and in our own laws by the mystical experience. And mysticism is the pure mysticism would be
experiencing one of the three realms. That's just what the mystics tell us. There are three
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realms of reality. The first is pure spirit, pure intellect, no form whatsoever. And to experience
that is a pure mystic state. And the mystic tells us that the darkness and the light,
they're not opposites anymore as they have to play out in time and space. They are the same.
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They're together. They're one working together. But there's no imagery. There's no form in that
dimension. But then it is constantly moving into the intermediary world, which is the subtle world
or the archetypal symbolic world. And that is a language that is within all of us. And we pretty
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much centered in the right brain and heart. And so what are the archetypes? They are the laws
that of nature, when that pure consciousness flows into that realm, it is shaped by those laws.
So in the third realm, which is a material realm, we need to know those laws so that we can shape
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our creativity in harmony with those laws, which gives us infinite possibility. But of course,
if we go against those laws, we destroy ourselves. So the mystic knew this. And
and you know, today we have postmodernism in which they say, oh, there are no intrinsic values in
life. You can have one and I can have one but they are interchangeable one is it they have no
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knowledge of what the mystic knew? Oh, yes, there are values, there are intrinsic,
the laws of nature. If there weren't laws, we couldn't have anything. And there are the laws
of the mind. So we are discovering that and in this century, we've discovered so much about
the anatomy that we have in order to experience pure intellect, pure spirit, to experience the
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subtle world of archetypal reality, and to create in matter with the knowledge of those laws, those
archetypes. And to know that if you ever if one has a mystic experience, we know we're one,
the collective is one and individual at the same time. So that's how we actually can can create
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our worlds and and transform our worlds, create our world in a way that we want to bring our
children up in it, you know, that we feel feel good about that world. And see, I did I answer
your question, the collective? Absolutely, very comprehensively, just to contribute in a very
humble way. I have that fundamental belief in the work that I do, it's sort of something that's the
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undertow of what I what drives me to help, or feel help. And that the if the mystical experience is
so powerful, it can become a universal, unifying force or power for this reality that you're
talking about. Oh, that's beautiful. Yes. Yeah, exposing other people to what we do, talking
about it, in empowers them or allows them to engage and seek their own potential. And so,
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a mystical experience is not a unique one. It's just something that just needs a little I always
say, very, just a little time and attention, specialized attention, you know, which we're all
capable. Yes, yes, it's accessible profits like yourself and other people pointed out the way how
to do it and made it so. And oftentimes, I find that when I get lost, when I'm really confused,
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when I pull back and pull it dip into the well, or ground myself in a way spiritually, so that I can
meditate on some of those frontal things, mystically, and those things that were available to us,
the truth seems to settle in in a way that maybe I don't quite understand, but reveals itself over
time. So I just love that I just love and I do I do feel that we encounter people, and that's okay,
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it's part of their experience and their journey on this on this planet in this time, who are deniers
of the absolute, they deny the absolute. And like you said, there are laws, there are fundamental
laws about each of the three realms we talked about. And so people feel like that's an opinionated
thing. And I'm like, if you're looking for comfort, if you're looking for something that you feel is
just something you can really hang your head on, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, it's going to
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be those laws of absolute that you talk about, those three realities, you know, so. Absolutely,
and the laws. I mean, if we look at an acorn, how does an oak tree come into existence? It could
not come in if those laws weren't embedded in those seeds within the acorn. And it's the same
with us. I mean, science has to be an understanding of laws of nature of the universe, or it can't
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function, you know, and we would never have postmodernism if we listen to the mystics.
Sure. Yeah. And I think that's a perspective too. I think religion is something, maybe not religion,
maybe people, philosophy has given us this idea that things have to be mystical, they have to be
not understood, they can't be encompassed by our minds, our brains, our souls, our whatever
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aspects we have of our own reality. Can't understand that. It's unachievable. And I feel
like it's a gift to say to people, yes, it is. Aspects of it are definitely achievable.
And understandable. Sure, sure. To some degree. Yeah. And integrating that in your own experience
is transformative. So I just want to segue again, and there's just so much to unpack,
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you know, we just have to just keep going. Continuity, continuity, and I'm going to say
the words again several times, continuity of life after physical death. That's such an important,
very, very powerful phrase, continuity of life. Life after life is what we're saying. After our
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physical death. Because we know we have a finite amount of time here. We know that, you know,
eventually we're all going to change. We're going to go through a transformation.
Let's talk a little bit about that, if you don't mind. Yeah, yes, that's so important because I had
been looking all my life. I wanted to know, I wanted to experience it. I didn't want to believe
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something. I wanted to know it through experience, through gnosis. And I went to South America, I
worked with shamans, I studied all these things, and I meditated. I had experiences. But it wasn't
until our son died that I actually had the experience. And I finally knew that consciousness
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continues because my husband and I both experienced our son, Pishdi's, consciousness after he died.
I mean, very clearly and extensively. It wasn't limited, I would have to say. And it was interesting
because my husband had not been interested in really searching for these things. He was an
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optimist. It seemed like he had it within him, but he just wasn't that interested. He was tolerant
and supportive of me. But one time I was trying to tell him about an experience I had had in Peru.
And I chose a bad time. He was reading the sports section of the LA Times. It wasn't a good time to
try to tell him about a mystic experience. But we had only so much time, so I did. And I
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saw he wasn't paying attention because his eyes would keep darting to the paper. And when I pointed
that out, and he was caught, he just said, I think something is really true. He said, I have never
had any experience like that. And I have no idea how to relate to it. Well, that's true. And I think
many people say that to me, well, maybe you can experience that, but I can't. I would say, yes,
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you can. It's available to all of us. We're all the same. But just before our son died, he was in
his office and he suddenly saw Pishti, our son's car, on the side of the freeway. And he saw his
body superimposed on the top of it. And he knew he was dead. And then he said, what startled him,
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oh, that's right, Pishti. It's almost time for you to do this. And Pishti answered, that's right,
dad. I will be out of the house for a little while. Well, that's so shocked him that it went
unconscious. He didn't remember it until the call came in from the hospital that Pishti was in the
hospital and had a terrible accident. It came back, but he didn't mention it to me until after
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Pishti's death. He tried to believe that Pishti would live, but he just, that vision was so strong.
And then after, actually, it was the day of the memorial. After that, we began to have visions
with Pishti. And these visions were extensive, detailed. And then I knew, I had experienced it.
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I knew that we live. It was that we continue to live. And he wanted us to know, I'm fine. And I'm
alive. I'm fine. I'm still creating. And so he just wanted us to know that. He also said, but I also
wanted to talk with you about why we were born now and what the earth is going through. And so there
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was so much of that and so many experiences to transform us. And he would say, not like he was
giving us information, but it was like, remember, remember this, remember. And so it was all within
our grasp. So this was so powerful. And my husband then began to have experiences of his own death,
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but he felt, and we both looked at it symbolically, which was also true, that he was just
transforming from one who hadn't been interested into someone who was experiencing these things.
But then a couple of weeks before he actually was killed, he was going to go to his home country
and he still was. And he went from time to time. And suddenly there was this beautiful being that
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would often appear. It just vast consciousness symbolized in the feminine divine. She was telling
him, it's that time, Eshwan. It's that time. You will be coming. It will be coming soon. And he
just resisted it. He said, no way, I'm not going to do this. Don't you think I should have a
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decision about this? And she said, well, Eshwan, of course, who else would have decided this is
your decision? And so he said, well, I'm just not going to accept that. I'm just going to get him
to the bathroom out of his vision. And she said, we'll be here when you come back.
Take your time.
Yeah, take your time. So he just had, but there were, and indeed when he went to Hungary two
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weeks later, he was killed. And then afterwards I had visions with him too and how it happened. And
well, it just, there were so, he was transformed. And I was too. Then I had known a lot of things
that I experienced, but I didn't know for sure about that. I just, and now I did. And I was so
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grateful and I was totally changed. I would never look at the world again in the same way as he said
to me after his first long vision with our son in which he saw that they were twin souls, that they
were really one soul, but sometimes they would come in two different bodies. And he told his dad,
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dad, we live lives in parallel worlds and sometimes you die first and I stay depending on which works
better. But he, he saw when they were one soul, PhD didn't talk to him and he, because he knew.
And when they were two souls, he would explain. So this was something that I wouldn't have known or
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I'd heard of perhaps, but I wouldn't have believed unless we experienced that indeed they were one
soul playing. So, you know, we're all one and you know, we might even have someone playing
a role that we don't like who's a part of our soul. But at any rate, we knew there was no question.
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And it was interesting because the night before he went to Hungary the next morning, he was packing
and usually he would stay up all that night so he could sleep on the plane. But anyway, for some
reason or another, I went in the room and I sat on the floor and I was watching him pack. And suddenly
I just, I had this just incredible sorrow. I didn't know why. And I cried and cried and I said,
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I don't know why I'm crying. And he said, I remember he just held me and he said, we know
what we have experienced. It doesn't matter what anyone else says. We know. It was almost as though
something in him knew he wouldn't be coming back. And he was trying to reassure me, we know. No
matter what is said. And I was grateful for that.
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Thank you so much for sharing that. That's a very, very powerful.
Well, I always say to people, clients and friends, because sometimes they're shy,
you know, they don't want to come out of the closet and they don't know how it'll come off.
And to help them along to oil the wheel a little bit, I say, no one can deny you your own experience.
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Your own experience is something no one can deny. And that whatever it is was your experience of
that. And then opens up the door, Betty. So oftentimes people to talk about dreams and
premonitions and all kinds of spiritual encounters they've had. And once they find a friendly face,
a willing ear, someone that's here to listen. Sure. Yeah. And normalizes it in a way that says,
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yeah, this is sort of part of the spiritual word that we all live in. And we are all one, as you
say. It's something that sometimes they take it. Sometimes they leave it. We can't judge where
they're going to be at it, but it's just nice for you and I think to feel as though that's a gift
we can give to people to validate. Absolutely. And you know, it's that because it's been thrown
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back or laughed at or made fun of and always the person who's making fun is usually taking a rather
arrogant, superior position of the intellectual scientific worldview. It's kind of sad that there's
a kind of arrogance in that kind of thing. And so that really kills anyone's desire to talk about it.
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When I was teaching mythology, students would come to my office and they would say, I want to tell
you something I've never told anyone in my life. But it's sad in a way that we can't talk about
these experiences because that makes them stronger, you know, if we share them. But yeah, exactly what
you say, when someone can listen, they will talk. Sure, yeah, yeah. And there's a moment of opening,
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there's a moment of development there. There's a second where they've tried to listen to whatever
it is and they've reviewed it in their mind. And now they're growing the courage to share it with
somebody else to put it out there. And then when we sort of accept it and validate, it's nice to
hand it back to them and say, you know, journal some of that stuff, keep it going. Absolutely,
absolutely journal it. You know, Gurtis said that when you tell someone an experience,
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you intensify the experience just like putting a glass to the sun and catching something on fire.
He said that's the process of telling someone because when you share it, you intensify it
and it becomes more real to you and others. Elatability, you know, death and these, sometimes
people don't understand or they don't have the vocabulary and oftentimes it just takes a little
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prompting to get them to just say it in their own words. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's empowering and
freeing, isn't it? This has been utterly fascinating. I'm completely saturated and overstimulated in
every way. I feel so fulfilled spiritually and intellectually. Oh, wonderful. You're so generous
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with your time and your expertise and all your knowledge. There's so much value here from the
listeners today and I want to thank you on behalf of them. There's some fundamental understanding
that you have about all of the things that you do, you know, let's say the mission or the, and
you know, I say it and I say it to all my guests. I try to hone in on what the passion is and it
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becomes very, very evident. I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to confide something to you
like your students. I was very much intimidated by approaching you on this interview because I've
watched a lot to know the type of energy that you bring and so as a psychic and a medium,
I knew I was going to have to buckle up and put my gloves on and my helmet. There's a lot of energy
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that can get you off of that. So I knew I wouldn't be able to absorb it all because it's like a
waterfall but I just decided to sort of sit back and just, you know, be soothed and being,
you know, enjoy it. Just go at the flow and kind of allow it to happen. It's, you know, speaking
with you, Betty, is a rewarding experience. Listening to your wisdom, you know, it's true
wisdom and it's integral to what people are searching for. We've touched on so many, many
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different things and the joy that I have is that we put stuff out there and you do this, you love
doing it and make it available for people, make it accessible so that they can grow. It's a way that
they can achieve some more understanding and maybe get them to the next step or, you know, affirm
something that they think too. You know, yes, yes, I had that idea in my head and then it's a little
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seed and we just plant it and we allow them to flourish and so enabling people, right? Enabling
to thrive in a way that's very special. Exactly and your enthusiasm and knowledge and search
and being inspires me, you know, it's very inspiring. I mean, you know, it's just inspiring
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and I thank you for it. It's just wonderful and that makes me healthier. I think to know that
energy is what you were doing in the world and bringing to people is so important with such a
wise and optimistic way, you know, that's because we need to know that the light is here and that
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we can transform our world no matter how dark things appear. We don't need to be depressed.
We need to know that we can have the kind of optimism you have, you know, and the search,
the search is it, you know. Yeah, right. You know, we often say the secrets to things, unlocking
the truth, finding the truth and you know what you and I do oftentimes is just allow. It's
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right there, just allow it to manage. That's so true. That is absolutely true but we've been
taught it isn't there so we have to get over that which I struggled with for sure. Well, we all do.
It's always challenging but every day we help each other. A friend of mine uses a phrase and I think
she stole this from someone, we walk each other home. Oh, I like that. Yeah, I like that.
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And we need, we need each other. Yeah, right. It's a collaboration, isn't it? Absolutely and
yeah, if we're collective then whatever we do for others we also are doing for ourselves.
You know, we don't hopefully do it for that reason but certainly we can do nothing ourselves
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that doesn't affect the world and I love how it's explained now in physics that the
quantum field or the energy field that we are in is affected by us because we are an aggregate
of that field so whatever we are thinking we draw that forth from the field and so what we do affects
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the field and so of course if we're pessimistic and nothing good's going to happen, you know,
that's what we draw from the field but we are so much the field and if we realize that then we will
really want to create in harmony with that field, create the loving light that we want to live in
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and the field will respond. Absolutely, sure and there's a sense of reward when you do that,
when you kind of plug into that and allow yourself to experience it and so oftentimes we get these
signs and signals and nudges, right, that pushes towards that because life seems to want to give
us all of these different things and you know, light gets in the way, you know, all the stuff
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that you mentioned before and we can be negative about it and sometimes we've had some wounds and
we have to recover from those. We're all in different places but the fact that we're all
connected as you say, the collective consciousness and we can contribute whatever little we have even
if it's, you know, things that we don't think are valuable. That's true and it's very important this,
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that we do know its value. It's so easy to fall into the trap of the past and devalue ourselves
and I so often will get the message very clearly, do not devalue yourself, do not devalue your work
that we're all an intricate part of it but I wanted to say as I can very quickly that so many
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of the visions that people are having today and that my husband had and that I had really are
very powerful and reassuring. For instance, the merchants of light actually was out of a vision
and coordinated with the I Ching, the Chinese book of wisdom, but my husband experienced that
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the, that we have now raised the frequency on our planet to the degree that the light that has been
around the earth for a long time, we can now anchor it. Each one of us has a responsibility of
anchoring it in the earth but the light is here, it has connected and that we can, we will heal.
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We can make it because the merchants of light now can be here and people can be born with a
higher frequency now on the planet. We ourselves are a higher frequency so when we do this work,
we are part of that field so we, the field is the merchants of light and I thought, well merchants,
that's a strange thing. My husband had that and I thought sometimes because it's a native language
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and some irony come up with some strange phrases but I found later that that the merchants of light
have existed in Renaissance periods that they are around the world and they come, which my husband
possibly have known, they come at times when we are ready to make tremendous changes and they are
us, we become that energy so the merchants, it's kind of interesting because I said to my husband,
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why merchants? And he said, well they, I have it in the book and I won't say it in that way because
I did it pretty well in the book I think but what he said is that, well they come to the earth to
give us this knowledge, to intensify the energy field, the frequency for the price, we pay a price.
What is the price? To become conscious. It's the price that we pay to the merchants is our
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achieving our own consciousness and I love that. We actually gain by, so that's why they're
called merchants but they're called other things like miracle of love, miracle of, what was the
other life and just the whole list of things that ML stands for. So I think that we have called that
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to ourselves. So our future, if we choose, if we choose to be a part of it, that we've got this.
Mm-hmm, yeah. It's a hopeful evolution, isn't it? Because that has a promise, it gives us meaning,
it gives us purpose and it allows it. Oh absolutely, absolutely meaning to know who we are and to,
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we have to look at the darkness I think head-on and it is horrifying. I think that all of the
results of that suppression for 2,400 years are now here telling us yes you've got to be fixed,
you've got to be transformed, you got to hook you up with a machine, you're not important,
you're not valuable, you're nothing. That's bad but we are facing all of that darkness but if we
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know our history, we know who we are, we can face it and we have this powerful now frequency or
energy field of light that we're working with, that we are and so it's hopeful and I'm optimistic.
I am as well, very encouraging to see. Yes, it is. Yeah, yeah. I think we're ready for it,
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you mentioned the darkness but I think there's a readiness, the merchants come, as you said,
when we're ready and so many of us are. Exactly, we're ready, exactly and the same with the Earth
and this vision that I had of the light, most powerful vision I ever had in my life, of the
light around the Earth and that now it's connecting, we are anchors of that light in the Earth that
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the voice was singing through me and said you have called us and we are here, your planet
has called us and we are here so we are ready because we have called and we're ready for that
light. Sure, yeah and that's something that resonates, I know, with many, many people because
even though we're not using the same vocabulary, it's the same theme, engaging in something that's
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bigger, more powerful, is our time to enjoy and to embrace and it's our way forward. Yes, and that
we are part of. Kim just handed me the, where I'd written it, about merchants of light, I don't know,
you might want to cut this part, but it says the merchants, we are called merchants of light
because they are able to distill darkness into light and like merchants they sell the knowledge
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of this process for the price of consciousness and the entire universe profits. Amazing. Yeah,
aren't they? Amazing. And I was amazed to find out that they were, it wasn't just in my husband's
imagination that they had existed. Yeah, right. It's a celebration, speaking with you
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is a celebration, it's really a destiny, I'm sorry, a destination because I feel we travel,
we travel back in time and we discover different worlds and the cosmos and we've touched on subjects
that I've been interested in for many, many years and it's, you're a masterful at pulling all this
together and allowing us to experience it through your wisdom. Thank you so much for being so
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generous with your time and... Oh, you're so welcome and you know we're all in the same place, I mean
we go on this journey and then we keep looking and looking and we find some things, you know, along
the way and we help each other. It's all, I think of the people and when I was young and so searching
that helped me like that, you know, so it's like it's passed to us, we pass it on the best we can
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that we're all working with it. Sure, absolutely and I believe that's integral to our destiny,
I feel like I came, a mission with this destiny, this idea that I'm going to give something to
someone that's going to be valuable even though I'm not sure what it is to them. I know, that's true
and we're receiving from them, you know, they may not be sure what they're giving us.
So, Betty, it's been an absolute pleasure. Oh, to pick you up too, Pete. Sure, I hope it's not
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the last time we'll have you, I hope we can pick some more things next time and there's lots to
discover and discuss more, you know, we've only touched on the surface of some of these things,
but I feel like we're very, very fortunate to enjoy your time. We'll look forward to the next time.
Well, I will too, I would love to and I've enjoyed it so much. Excellent, we're going to thank you
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again for coming on the broadcast, look forward to the next time. Thank you so much, Betty. Okay,
thank you, take care. You're welcome.
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I had no home to rely on, driving around in a passenger van, dreaming of when I'd ever begin
to start my life. That's when I moved to the city to be on the stage but the curtain had closed.
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You walked in the room and that's when I knew that I was home and my life will begin.
Well, welcome to the broadcast today and I am absolutely thrilled and delighted, over the moon,
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happy to be able to present a very, very special guest today on our program. It's been a long time
coming and it's finally arrived here. I'm going to tell you about our guest and I'm going to do,
by way of introduction, give you some of her credentials. We're welcoming Dr. Betty Kovach,
PhD, to the broadcast today. If you're not familiar with that name, you are going to be
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after this broadcast because we're going to do our very best to present her. Betty is very,
very multifaceted. She's a fascinating person. I'm just going to tell you, the books,
she's, I've been pleased, I've been able to read her books. The first book is The Miracle of Death,
There is Nothing but Life, and the other books I absolutely love. It's right on my desk,
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Merchants of Light, the consciousness that is changing the world. And I love those words,
merchants of light. It stops me in my tracks every time I hear those words, merchants of light,
because here on the broadcast, we're all about psychics and mediums and we're engaging in that
and that exchange of light, aren't we? Enjoying that. In addition to her website, which is very
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extensive, www.comlock.com, K-A-M-L-A-K, dot com, Betty is also, has a presence on social media.
She's built on Facebook and on YouTube and on Instagram, and she's also done a wonderful
webinar called Merchants of Life, hosted by the Forever Family Foundation. And we hope to talk to
her a little bit more later in the broadcast about that. And she's no stranger to online radio and
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online podcasts. She's been on the Signs of Life radio, Guided Spirit Conversations, New Thinking
Allowed, and Evidence of the Afterlife podcast, all of which I'm just dying. They're on my summer
listening list and I can't wait to dive into those, Betty. So in addition to being prolific as a writer
and on social media, she's also an educator. And so she's here today to talk to us about topics
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that we're really interested in hearing on in psychics and mediums. Before the broadcast, Betty
and I had a little chat and I was telling her how important what she does is relevant to me in my
own development. I would say I started off with mysticism and contemplation and I was really
digging very, very deeply into, and that journey led me to actually where I am today. And so
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that was all the revelation. Today we're going to talk to Betty about the continuity of life after
physical death. Before that, we'd like to give her a very, very warm welcome to the broadcast,
Dr. Betty Kovach, PhD. Welcome, Betty. Thank you so much. I'm really happy to be here to talk with you.
It's our pleasure. You've got a very extensive biography. I'd like to read something, one of
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your quotes, if you wouldn't mind? No. Okay. Betty, what else? I don't mind. Sorry. Actually,
too. There's two quotes that I really enjoy. And these have a lot of bearing on what we're
doing today. The ultimate fruit of the tree of life is the knowledge that we are all universal
mind, immortal, divine, and creators. Wow. Isn't that fabulous? She also writes, we have forgotten
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that the heart connects us to a larger reality that nurtures the birth of a just and feeling world.
Wow. So very, very deep, very philosophical and very, very truthful. And Betty's going to take it
from here. Well, so how shall I begin? Do you have a question about anything that I could direct
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my thoughts toward? I do. I know one of the things that we're passionate about here on the
broadcast, and we talk a lot about, and you know, we fumble around a little bit and we, you know,
we pick things up and we shake them off and we look at them and we squint a little bit. But it's
nice to have a credible expert on the program who has a lot of experience doing this. And
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I think your bio says that you've been, you have been a teacher for 25 years. You're bringing all
that knowledge and expertise to the program today. So let's talk about what we know about the
continuity of life after physical death. That's a pretty heavy subject to unpack, but I know you'll
be able to guide us through that. Yes. Well, you know, we've all in the West, we've all grown up
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with the Western worldview, which is that death is the end of everything, that it's a material
based on a material science in which there's nothing but matter. This is it. There's nothing
beyond this. And there's no meaning, there's no purpose. And we are a fluke of nature. And when
we're dead, it's all over. And this is for hundreds of years. We have been really brainwashed into
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believing this because this after all was the science. And so follow the science. If you don't,
then you're intellectually inadequate. And so this has been a great burden and a restrictor
of our consciousness for hundreds of years. And we might ask, well, how did such a worldview develop?
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Well, it developed because the powers that be, and this particular instance, the Roman church
had restricted the study of these scientists when they formed in 1660, the Royal Society for the
Advancement of Science. Those scientists knew that they could not study or say anything beyond
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matter. So why do we have a worldview that there's nothing but matter? Because these scientists
could study nothing but matter. They didn't have the tools that we have with quantum physics, or
with mysticism, to go beyond. Well, I should say some of them in that Royal Society were mystics,
you know, and scientists, but they couldn't let that be known. So when if we jump back a little
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bit, I would like to give just a little bit of the background is that what I try to show in Merchants
of Light is that we have a long and deep pervasive history of shaman, mystic, scientific cultures
scientific when they got to that point, because the mystic state, of course,
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the desire to study it in left brain terms or scientific terms, it's just natural. It's the same
thing, but looked at from a scientific left brain perspective, the right brain and heart experiences
it. So it wasn't separated before the defeat of those traditions. So we are really in the West,
we have really suffered tremendously, because we weren't considered smart. If we didn't believe in
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nothing, and just matter, and when you're dead, you're dead. And just there was the chuckle if
you even came up with anything else, or you religious, you know, well, religion did say there
is a world beyond, but they didn't seem to know much about it. Because religion had severed itself
from the techniques of achieving that higher consciousness. And when you experience that
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consciousness, you know that it's eternal, that there is no death. So there we were with a religion
in which we couldn't experience what they're telling us is true, and a scientist that says
it's not true anyway. So it's so we were caught in the Western world in a negative, dreadful,
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I don't think there has ever been a more pervasive, restrictive, killing worldview.
That imagine we bring up our children, teaching them there's nothing, there's no meaning in your
life, no purpose. And when you're dead, you're dead anyway, so what's it matter? And so there
are many people who have lived their lives as though it doesn't matter, destroy the earth,
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destroy each other, what's it matter? You know, whatever I can get for now is good.
So if, however, and that's been the journey, it sounds like of your life and of my life,
but I'm sure many people who are listening, is this true? Is there really nothing beyond?
And so many people have struck out to try to discover within their own experience,
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is this true? And I think you mentioned mystic Christianity. Well, these were the people
in the beginning who would not be suppressed and repressed by the church. There is information
that we now have that Jesus taught a hidden tradition that the people close to him knew
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of mystic states of consciousness. And he taught, for instance, the round dance or other techniques
to experience that for ourselves, that there is no death, that we are spiritual, creative, immortal,
divine beings. But this is what the church wanted to suppress. And the mystics knew the truth.
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And so the mystics became the heretics for the church. And many of them were murdered,
many large numbers of people, if they even had a book that suggested that or
were among people who talked about that, they were in danger. So that's what we in the West
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were left with, the so-called scientific materialism and not knowing because that was censored too,
that Jesus taught a hidden tradition. And now we're inheriting that knowledge in this,
I call this the fifth renaissance of that suppressed underground tradition.
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And many people are awakening from all different directions.
Absolutely. And it's fascinating. And you just explained that masterfully in a wonderful way.
And I'm very, very excited. So I made some notes and yeah, it's observable, isn't it?
It's called the themes, I've written down themes of repression. You can sort of see how in every
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age they continually just had this sort of thing where they pushed it away because
there was no scientific or their view of what it was, was the official view or
attitude towards it. What was acceptable was unacceptable. And yet when you look at the
original, you can discover the undertow or the mysticism that's in the original. And so many
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people are searching for that because it will reveal itself. And I can tell you, I'm living proof,
that if you look hard enough, if you spend enough time, money and energy,
you're gonna find the truth because we encounter folks like you who are
light workers who know, understand and give us that perspective. And it's available and it's
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coming more and more and more. And the irony of that is that they repress the scientific.
And now we're kind of going back to that, let's prove it using scientific methods. Many of the
people in the psychic and mediumship communities like quantified results when they're doing,
say for instance, readings or when they're seeking to get some, I guess,
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when they're seeking to get some idea of how they're doing our results. And we're going back
to that scientific application of this. Exactly. We're embracing it again. And that's very, very
healthy. It's refreshing to see that that's where we're going. Absolutely. Because we are not bound
now by that material science, at least those of us who know a little bit about quantum physics,
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because in the early 19th century, these scientists started seeing, oh my God, this is what the mystics
were talking about. And they've started reading that literature, but they couldn't put it together.
And it's only been in about the last 50, 60 years that scientists all around the world are beginning
to put it together through quantum physics. Now, many people in quantum physics don't because
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they're specializing in one particular area, but we now have the potential of a science that can help
us to know that yes, there are multidimensions, there are many realities, and we have access to
those realities. And the mystics were right. So here we finally, that's one of the reasons it's
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a Renaissance period, because finally those scientists, the quantum physicists have broken
away from the limitations of the old material science. And they're seeing, oh, this vast universe
and things scientific materialism could never imagine. So this is a tremendous breakthrough,
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but also it's the fifth Renaissance, because our knowledge of past shamanistic scientific cultures
are also emerging. In the 20th century, as I have in my book, Merchants of Light, there are so many
scholars who've discovered the depth of the cave cultures, or even discovered the cave cultures,
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and the sand bushmen, what they are able to achieve. They are able to achieve cosmic
consciousness through their rituals. And the West would just look down on them, who are they?
They're just primitive. We've been so dreadful in our egotism and our lack of understanding.
And then there's old Europe, Maria Gambutis discovered a tremendous culture in old Europe
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from about 6000 BCE. And a major symbol that they had was the labyrinth, which is a symbol,
like the round dance, but in a different, in that you go round and round and round,
and to the depth of who you are. And there we experience the divine, the all, not as other,
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but as self. That is so powerful. And then there was the Egyptian, which Egyptologists couldn't see
what was going on. But now there have been scholars who see in the depths of the mysticism,
and the incredible advance of that culture, in techniques. And I mean, they understood
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electromagnetic waves and stone and water and all of the ways to construct a temple, so that the
energy system, the field, and the human being, who is an aggregate of that field, could come together
and experience. So we are told that their temples are constructed like chapters in the sacred
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science. When you enter that temple, it's like an Alembic, and you are able to experience the realities
of that dimension of reality. Not the good enough brain, but the illumination. You simply know it.
They knew the value of that wholeness of the human mind to experience it. And then there was, we know
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now from Margaret Barker's research on the Judaic first temple tradition, that that was a shaman
mystic tradition that was destroyed by the Deuteronomy in 621 BCE. I mean, everything,
that sacred feminine dimension of the divine, which is the heart of all of us, or the right brain,
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the symbolic brain, is that that was destroyed. She was absolutely, there were many images of her
destroyed. The tree was a symbol of her because she was symbolic of wisdom. And wisdom only comes
when you have that mystic experience. They destroyed, burned down, cut down the trees.
And then we now know that the pre-Socratic philosophers, thanks to Peter Kingsley,
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that they too were great mystics and scientists and ambassadors. I mean, we didn't know this
at all. We had no idea. When I was in school, I read about the pre-Socratic philosophers and
know how boring go on. And with Peter Kingsley, the whole world comes to light. So we know these
things in this time. It's re-emerged as a Renaissance. And some people don't know it's
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a Renaissance at all, but many do who are searching. And you and I, and we've all, so many of us who
wanted to know, we've searched everywhere to try to put the pieces together. And I think many of us
are, and we're connecting together and adding our knowledge together. And I think it can be a real
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Renaissance of remembering who we are. Fabulous. Yes. Remember, and it's a breakthrough,
isn't it? Because we're becoming aware. And I just wrote down, there's an integral,
it's a human experience, I believe, it's an integral spiritual awareness that everyone has.
And we've been in denial for centuries and centuries about that other people don't have it.
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We just have it because of whatever influences we have or power, whatever it is that we think that
we- Or religion, whichever religion we- Right. Which absolutely is sort of a singular idea
of what the truth is. Religion tends to hold up what they think is the right path or the ideas
or prescriptions or whatever it is. And not to criticize or take away anything from someone who's
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on a journey and enjoying that spiritual development and that realm. Just it's a breakthrough,
isn't it? To be able to say that this isn't unique to us. Other people in the human experience
have spiritual awareness and have developed it over time. And it's people like you, Betty,
I just want to just take a pause for a second, who I feel are prophetic. You're like the prophet.
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And so when people look at those religious scripts and they see that there were people in different
ages who were actually pointing the way, holding up the light, shining and saying, this is the way
you can go here. And sometimes they did speak mystically from whatever motive they had. And
other people like yourself are sort of interpreting that for us now and giving us the fruit or the
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juice or the pearls that we're in. And then the most beautiful part of this is connecting it all
together for folks like you and I who just know it is all attached. We're all connected.
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And that's not just the spiritual realm where we tend to be
psychic, the mediums in my folks, but in the human consciousness experience. This is just so stimulating.
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And could I say one word and add to that is that it is tragic that many people who thought so deeply
and were finding some of what they needed within a church, let's say the Christian church,
that the bureaucracy and the men, we have to say, in the church who were resisting the mystic Jesus
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have done away with the technique. But they have also, and Christianity taught that it's
the only church, it's the only truth. Anytime we hear that in a religion, we have to know
there's something missing there because there are many, many ways to experience who we are.
That is, we are the divine mind, universal wisdom. We are born out of that. And we can know that if
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we can release the valve, I love how it's described that we are all born out of universal mind,
but there is a valve in the mind that we need to reduce that consciousness so that we can do
things like this or cook dinner or clean the house or mow the lawn, whatever. But every culture has
the responsibility of learning how to release that valve so that we have the mystical symbolic
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experience of the vastness of who we are. The church got rid of that. That was a mystic,
part of the mystic tradition. They got rid of it. No, we could only know through left brain teaching
and experiences. People were having experiences, their own inner experiences. From the church's
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perspective, you weren't supposed to go beyond the church doctrine. Many of them did, and they were
the mystics that almost got communicated. But the sad thing is, and I had a student one time in my
class, and there were many, like her, who was just Christian to the core and had really been saved
in that sense. And she almost had a nervous breakdown in my math class when she realized
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that this same kind of mystical, loving consciousness had existed from the beginning,
from 40,000, 30,000 BCE, and certainly all over the world that people were experiencing
this vast consciousness, this divine consciousness that we are. It was so hard because she had been
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taught. Only the Christian church had that. That's a limitation. She did go beyond it,
and she's still a member of the church, but she had to really work to reconcile the fact that
people have known this for a long, long time. It doesn't belong to just one tradition, one church.
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Sure. And I think I can relate to that because in my journey in working with folks,
I've encountered people who have those painful experiences. And I always hope that they persevere
through them and continue to look for the truth of whatever it is for them at that moment.
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And oftentimes they grow stronger through that. Oh, I think so. I think so. And it's
for many of them, for instance, this is the discussion that Christ was perhaps,
we're all divine, but what the church did… And let me jump back a little bit. Margaret Barker says
that here in 621, when the shamanistic tradition of the first Judaic temple was destroyed,
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that there were a few hundred years, and then they had a renaissance of that tradition,
and that was in the birth of Jesus. Well, there were many Essenes and Therapeute groups that did
not go along with the second temple, that they still were of that first temple shamanistic
tradition. And many people think that Jesus was a part of one of those groups, that he was born out
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of one of those groups. Certainly he was born at a time when those groups existed. But the church
didn't want to think of Jesus as a mystic, so what they did is they made him a god outside of us
that we had to worship. Well, this is difficult because Jesus, we now know from the non-Kamate
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texts that were discovered after the war, which the church would not allow in the canon. And they
told the people that non-Kamate, the monks, you either destroy these or we're going to come back
and destroy them. So the monks did not destroy them, they buried them. And we found these texts
after the war, and in those texts there are many different things, but we have gospels that reveal
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Jesus to be a mystic. And he says in those gospels, I did not come to save you. I came to remind you
of who you are. I am not your master. When you drink from my lips, you and I are one. And if you
bring forth what is within you, it will save you. But if you do not bring forth what is within you,
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it will destroy you. And it is not enough to follow the Christ, you must become the Christ.
Well, this was a different Christ. And so the Roman church inverted, they didn't want those
teachings. And they taught that he is a God outside of us, and we have to be saved. We're lack,
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we're deficient, we have to be saved by worshiping a God. But Jesus was saying, no, you remember
who you are and you bring that forth and you will be saved. This has been a very difficult
has been lost, but we know we're regaining it. And there's tremendous awakening when you're talking
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about the words of Christ, because people encounter religion from an open mind, I think oftentimes
realize a potential. There's a potential there to search to become more than you are. And
mysticism opening yourself to a bigger life that you have, a spiritual life,
you know, and all that that offers, you know, and it follows Christians are known as followers of
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Christ. And I think the ones that follow carefully and pay attention like you do can see how there's
a depth to this. It's not just doctrine, it's not just prescriptions, it's not just rituals, right?
There's a depth to what he's offering. It's wonderful to be able to see that. And it identifies
with us as humans, because we can look in the mirror and see ourselves as you said, divine,
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because he's presented that. So it's a wonderful perspective. It's very refreshing. And it's very
empowering for folks when they can achieve that sort of understanding. But it takes folks like
you who write about it and put it out there and allow us to pick it up and to work with it. And
you know, it takes time. And I was thinking that. Oh, yes. Yeah, it does. Yes. I'm just saying yes,
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it does take time. Sure. And you know what, one of the beauty of what you do is, is that you go back
in history, you see, and you can sort of see where we had things and they went away. And again,
you know, the themes of repression and mistakes and error. And if we look at them, they're not
always successful because we have achieved some higher states of consciousness in spite of all of
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that stuff, right? Yes, we have. And we love, we love in spite of. Sure, sure. Yeah. And regardless
of any of the labels or what we want to discuss it, it's going to be a fundamental human experience
to love someone else and to love God and engage in what you do, which is shutting the light and
showing others. So that leads us perfectly into our next topic. And I will segue just a little bit.
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We talk about a blueprint for conscious evolution. I feel like we're at someplace,
we're at a crossroads sometimes with everything that's happening on the planet consciously and in
so many different arenas and areas of energy where we're changing and we're moving forward.
I just feel like there's a collective consciousness, Betty. And would you speak to that a little bit?
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Oh, yes, absolutely. Is that, first of all, I want to say that part of this suppression and repression
has built within us the belief that we are inadequate, that we are less than. And I had,
when I was in Ireland one time and I was meditating before I went to Newgrange and I was
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feeling very humble and unworthy, I guess, or whatever, I don't know. And the spirit world
just stand up on your own two feet. We've had enough of this. You must know who you are.
And I think that's what we have been taught. We're nothing. We have to be fixed. We have to be saved.
We have to be, no, we need to go within and discover, experience who we are. So yes,
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we now know we have discovered this. We now know that yes, there is a collective consciousness of
which we are all apart. And it's cosmic. It's not just of the earth. It's a cosmic consciousness.
And, you know, I haven't mentioned it yet, but in my book, I talk about the four before the fifth,
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there were four Renaissance periods before this period. And in the first one was the high middle
ages, about 1000 AD. And what those mystics knew is that their heart was absolutely the same as the
heart of the world, of the cosmos. There's no separation. And that we are all at the center.
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We are all at the heart. We all exist at the heart. Now, Brance Swinn has said that too,
a cosmologist today. So we're discovering these things scientifically that the mystics knew.
But they're saying every spiritual journey is an individual spiritual journey, is a journey
to have a Renaissance in the collective. That we save ourselves and the world at the same time,
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because we are all one. We are cosmic consciousness, universal mind. We are one.
And we're all playing these individual wonderful games. And we fall in love with each other. And
we love the earth. All of these things are possible. All of these relationships, because
we divide ourselves into billions of different entities, whether that's human species, other
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species, animals, the earth. I mean, the earth itself has a consciousness that we've forgotten.
And our ancestors wanted nothing more than to know the laws of that consciousness of nature,
so that they could work with them. And therein comes the blueprint. Is that our ancestors began
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to realize that there is a blueprint for our development. And we find it in the laws of nature
and in our own laws by the mystical experience. And mysticism is the pure mysticism would be
experiencing one of the three realms. That's just what the mystics tell us. There are three
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realms of reality. The first is pure spirit, pure intellect, no form whatsoever. And to experience
that is a pure mystic state. And the mystic tells us that the darkness and the light,
they're not opposites anymore as they have to play out in time and space. They are the same.
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They're together. They're one working together. But there's no imagery. There's no form in that
dimension. But then it is constantly moving into the intermediary world, which is the subtle world
or the archetypal symbolic world. And that is a language that is within all of us. And we pretty
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much centered in the right brain and heart. And so what are the archetypes? They are the laws
that of nature, when that pure consciousness flows into that realm, it is shaped by those laws.
So in the third realm, which is a material realm, we need to know those laws so that we can shape
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our creativity in harmony with those laws, which gives us infinite possibility. But of course,
if we go against those laws, we destroy ourselves. So the mystic knew this. And
and you know, today we have postmodernism in which they say, oh, there are no intrinsic values in
life. You can have one and I can have one but they are interchangeable one is it they have no
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knowledge of what the mystic knew? Oh, yes, there are values, there are intrinsic,
the laws of nature. If there weren't laws, we couldn't have anything. And there are the laws
of the mind. So we are discovering that and in this century, we've discovered so much about
the anatomy that we have in order to experience pure intellect, pure spirit, to experience the
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subtle world of archetypal reality, and to create in matter with the knowledge of those laws, those
archetypes. And to know that if you ever if one has a mystic experience, we know we're one,
the collective is one and individual at the same time. So that's how we actually can can create
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our worlds and and transform our worlds, create our world in a way that we want to bring our
children up in it, you know, that we feel feel good about that world. And see, I did I answer
your question, the collective? Absolutely, very comprehensively, just to contribute in a very
humble way. I have that fundamental belief in the work that I do, it's sort of something that's the
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undertow of what I what drives me to help, or feel help. And that the if the mystical experience is
so powerful, it can become a universal, unifying force or power for this reality that you're
talking about. Oh, that's beautiful. Yes. Yeah, exposing other people to what we do, talking
about it, in empowers them or allows them to engage and seek their own potential. And so,
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a mystical experience is not a unique one. It's just something that just needs a little I always
say, very, just a little time and attention, specialized attention, you know, which we're all
capable. Yes, yes, it's accessible profits like yourself and other people pointed out the way how
to do it and made it so. And oftentimes, I find that when I get lost, when I'm really confused,
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when I pull back and pull it dip into the well, or ground myself in a way spiritually, so that I can
meditate on some of those frontal things, mystically, and those things that were available to us,
the truth seems to settle in in a way that maybe I don't quite understand, but reveals itself over
time. So I just love that I just love and I do I do feel that we encounter people, and that's okay,
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it's part of their experience and their journey on this on this planet in this time, who are deniers
of the absolute, they deny the absolute. And like you said, there are laws, there are fundamental
laws about each of the three realms we talked about. And so people feel like that's an opinionated
thing. And I'm like, if you're looking for comfort, if you're looking for something that you feel is
just something you can really hang your head on, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, it's going to
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be those laws of absolute that you talk about, those three realities, you know, so. Absolutely,
and the laws. I mean, if we look at an acorn, how does an oak tree come into existence? It could
not come in if those laws weren't embedded in those seeds within the acorn. And it's the same
with us. I mean, science has to be an understanding of laws of nature of the universe, or it can't
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function, you know, and we would never have postmodernism if we listen to the mystics.
Sure. Yeah. And I think that's a perspective too. I think religion is something, maybe not religion,
maybe people, philosophy has given us this idea that things have to be mystical, they have to be
not understood, they can't be encompassed by our minds, our brains, our souls, our whatever
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aspects we have of our own reality. Can't understand that. It's unachievable. And I feel
like it's a gift to say to people, yes, it is. Aspects of it are definitely achievable.
And understandable. Sure, sure. To some degree. Yeah. And integrating that in your own experience
is transformative. So I just want to segue again, and there's just so much to unpack,
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you know, we just have to just keep going. Continuity, continuity, and I'm going to say
the words again several times, continuity of life after physical death. That's such an important,
very, very powerful phrase, continuity of life. Life after life is what we're saying. After our
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physical death. Because we know we have a finite amount of time here. We know that, you know,
eventually we're all going to change. We're going to go through a transformation.
Let's talk a little bit about that, if you don't mind. Yeah, yes, that's so important because I had
been looking all my life. I wanted to know, I wanted to experience it. I didn't want to believe
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something. I wanted to know it through experience, through gnosis. And I went to South America, I
worked with shamans, I studied all these things, and I meditated. I had experiences. But it wasn't
until our son died that I actually had the experience. And I finally knew that consciousness
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continues because my husband and I both experienced our son, Pishdi's, consciousness after he died.
I mean, very clearly and extensively. It wasn't limited, I would have to say. And it was interesting
because my husband had not been interested in really searching for these things. He was an
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optimist. It seemed like he had it within him, but he just wasn't that interested. He was tolerant
and supportive of me. But one time I was trying to tell him about an experience I had had in Peru.
And I chose a bad time. He was reading the sports section of the LA Times. It wasn't a good time to
try to tell him about a mystic experience. But we had only so much time, so I did. And I
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saw he wasn't paying attention because his eyes would keep darting to the paper. And when I pointed
that out, and he was caught, he just said, I think something is really true. He said, I have never
had any experience like that. And I have no idea how to relate to it. Well, that's true. And I think
many people say that to me, well, maybe you can experience that, but I can't. I would say, yes,
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you can. It's available to all of us. We're all the same. But just before our son died, he was in
his office and he suddenly saw Pishti, our son's car, on the side of the freeway. And he saw his
body superimposed on the top of it. And he knew he was dead. And then he said, what startled him,
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oh, that's right, Pishti. It's almost time for you to do this. And Pishti answered, that's right,
dad. I will be out of the house for a little while. Well, that's so shocked him that it went
unconscious. He didn't remember it until the call came in from the hospital that Pishti was in the
hospital and had a terrible accident. It came back, but he didn't mention it to me until after
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Pishti's death. He tried to believe that Pishti would live, but he just, that vision was so strong.
And then after, actually, it was the day of the memorial. After that, we began to have visions
with Pishti. And these visions were extensive, detailed. And then I knew, I had experienced it.
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I knew that we live. It was that we continue to live. And he wanted us to know, I'm fine. And I'm
alive. I'm fine. I'm still creating. And so he just wanted us to know that. He also said, but I also
wanted to talk with you about why we were born now and what the earth is going through. And so there
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was so much of that and so many experiences to transform us. And he would say, not like he was
giving us information, but it was like, remember, remember this, remember. And so it was all within
our grasp. So this was so powerful. And my husband then began to have experiences of his own death,
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but he felt, and we both looked at it symbolically, which was also true, that he was just
transforming from one who hadn't been interested into someone who was experiencing these things.
But then a couple of weeks before he actually was killed, he was going to go to his home country
and he still was. And he went from time to time. And suddenly there was this beautiful being that
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would often appear. It just vast consciousness symbolized in the feminine divine. She was telling
him, it's that time, Eshwan. It's that time. You will be coming. It will be coming soon. And he
just resisted it. He said, no way, I'm not going to do this. Don't you think I should have a
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decision about this? And she said, well, Eshwan, of course, who else would have decided this is
your decision? And so he said, well, I'm just not going to accept that. I'm just going to get him
to the bathroom out of his vision. And she said, we'll be here when you come back.
Take your time.
Yeah, take your time. So he just had, but there were, and indeed when he went to Hungary two
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weeks later, he was killed. And then afterwards I had visions with him too and how it happened. And
well, it just, there were so, he was transformed. And I was too. Then I had known a lot of things
that I experienced, but I didn't know for sure about that. I just, and now I did. And I was so
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grateful and I was totally changed. I would never look at the world again in the same way as he said
to me after his first long vision with our son in which he saw that they were twin souls, that they
were really one soul, but sometimes they would come in two different bodies. And he told his dad,
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dad, we live lives in parallel worlds and sometimes you die first and I stay depending on which works
better. But he, he saw when they were one soul, PhD didn't talk to him and he, because he knew.
And when they were two souls, he would explain. So this was something that I wouldn't have known or
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I'd heard of perhaps, but I wouldn't have believed unless we experienced that indeed they were one
soul playing. So, you know, we're all one and you know, we might even have someone playing
a role that we don't like who's a part of our soul. But at any rate, we knew there was no question.
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And it was interesting because the night before he went to Hungary the next morning, he was packing
and usually he would stay up all that night so he could sleep on the plane. But anyway, for some
reason or another, I went in the room and I sat on the floor and I was watching him pack. And suddenly
I just, I had this just incredible sorrow. I didn't know why. And I cried and cried and I said,
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I don't know why I'm crying. And he said, I remember he just held me and he said, we know
what we have experienced. It doesn't matter what anyone else says. We know. It was almost as though
something in him knew he wouldn't be coming back. And he was trying to reassure me, we know. No
matter what is said. And I was grateful for that.
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Thank you so much for sharing that. That's a very, very powerful.
Well, I always say to people, clients and friends, because sometimes they're shy,
you know, they don't want to come out of the closet and they don't know how it'll come off.
And to help them along to oil the wheel a little bit, I say, no one can deny you your own experience.
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Your own experience is something no one can deny. And that whatever it is was your experience of
that. And then opens up the door, Betty. So oftentimes people to talk about dreams and
premonitions and all kinds of spiritual encounters they've had. And once they find a friendly face,
a willing ear, someone that's here to listen. Sure. Yeah. And normalizes it in a way that says,
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yeah, this is sort of part of the spiritual word that we all live in. And we are all one, as you
say. It's something that sometimes they take it. Sometimes they leave it. We can't judge where
they're going to be at it, but it's just nice for you and I think to feel as though that's a gift
we can give to people to validate. Absolutely. And you know, it's that because it's been thrown
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back or laughed at or made fun of and always the person who's making fun is usually taking a rather
arrogant, superior position of the intellectual scientific worldview. It's kind of sad that there's
a kind of arrogance in that kind of thing. And so that really kills anyone's desire to talk about it.
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When I was teaching mythology, students would come to my office and they would say, I want to tell
you something I've never told anyone in my life. But it's sad in a way that we can't talk about
these experiences because that makes them stronger, you know, if we share them. But yeah, exactly what
you say, when someone can listen, they will talk. Sure, yeah, yeah. And there's a moment of opening,
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there's a moment of development there. There's a second where they've tried to listen to whatever
it is and they've reviewed it in their mind. And now they're growing the courage to share it with
somebody else to put it out there. And then when we sort of accept it and validate, it's nice to
hand it back to them and say, you know, journal some of that stuff, keep it going. Absolutely,
absolutely journal it. You know, Gurtis said that when you tell someone an experience,
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you intensify the experience just like putting a glass to the sun and catching something on fire.
He said that's the process of telling someone because when you share it, you intensify it
and it becomes more real to you and others. Elatability, you know, death and these, sometimes
people don't understand or they don't have the vocabulary and oftentimes it just takes a little
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prompting to get them to just say it in their own words. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's empowering and
freeing, isn't it? This has been utterly fascinating. I'm completely saturated and overstimulated in
every way. I feel so fulfilled spiritually and intellectually. Oh, wonderful. You're so generous
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with your time and your expertise and all your knowledge. There's so much value here from the
listeners today and I want to thank you on behalf of them. There's some fundamental understanding
that you have about all of the things that you do, you know, let's say the mission or the, and
you know, I say it and I say it to all my guests. I try to hone in on what the passion is and it
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becomes very, very evident. I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to confide something to you
like your students. I was very much intimidated by approaching you on this interview because I've
watched a lot to know the type of energy that you bring and so as a psychic and a medium,
I knew I was going to have to buckle up and put my gloves on and my helmet. There's a lot of energy
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that can get you off of that. So I knew I wouldn't be able to absorb it all because it's like a
waterfall but I just decided to sort of sit back and just, you know, be soothed and being,
you know, enjoy it. Just go at the flow and kind of allow it to happen. It's, you know, speaking
with you, Betty, is a rewarding experience. Listening to your wisdom, you know, it's true
wisdom and it's integral to what people are searching for. We've touched on so many, many
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different things and the joy that I have is that we put stuff out there and you do this, you love
doing it and make it available for people, make it accessible so that they can grow. It's a way that
they can achieve some more understanding and maybe get them to the next step or, you know, affirm
something that they think too. You know, yes, yes, I had that idea in my head and then it's a little
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seed and we just plant it and we allow them to flourish and so enabling people, right? Enabling
to thrive in a way that's very special. Exactly and your enthusiasm and knowledge and search
and being inspires me, you know, it's very inspiring. I mean, you know, it's just inspiring
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and I thank you for it. It's just wonderful and that makes me healthier. I think to know that
energy is what you were doing in the world and bringing to people is so important with such a
wise and optimistic way, you know, that's because we need to know that the light is here and that
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we can transform our world no matter how dark things appear. We don't need to be depressed.
We need to know that we can have the kind of optimism you have, you know, and the search,
the search is it, you know. Yeah, right. You know, we often say the secrets to things, unlocking
the truth, finding the truth and you know what you and I do oftentimes is just allow. It's
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right there, just allow it to manage. That's so true. That is absolutely true but we've been
taught it isn't there so we have to get over that which I struggled with for sure. Well, we all do.
It's always challenging but every day we help each other. A friend of mine uses a phrase and I think
she stole this from someone, we walk each other home. Oh, I like that. Yeah, I like that.
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And we need, we need each other. Yeah, right. It's a collaboration, isn't it? Absolutely and
yeah, if we're collective then whatever we do for others we also are doing for ourselves.
You know, we don't hopefully do it for that reason but certainly we can do nothing ourselves
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that doesn't affect the world and I love how it's explained now in physics that the
quantum field or the energy field that we are in is affected by us because we are an aggregate
of that field so whatever we are thinking we draw that forth from the field and so what we do affects
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the field and so of course if we're pessimistic and nothing good's going to happen, you know,
that's what we draw from the field but we are so much the field and if we realize that then we will
really want to create in harmony with that field, create the loving light that we want to live in
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and the field will respond. Absolutely, sure and there's a sense of reward when you do that,
when you kind of plug into that and allow yourself to experience it and so oftentimes we get these
signs and signals and nudges, right, that pushes towards that because life seems to want to give
us all of these different things and you know, light gets in the way, you know, all the stuff
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that you mentioned before and we can be negative about it and sometimes we've had some wounds and
we have to recover from those. We're all in different places but the fact that we're all
connected as you say, the collective consciousness and we can contribute whatever little we have even
if it's, you know, things that we don't think are valuable. That's true and it's very important this,
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that we do know its value. It's so easy to fall into the trap of the past and devalue ourselves
and I so often will get the message very clearly, do not devalue yourself, do not devalue your work
that we're all an intricate part of it but I wanted to say as I can very quickly that so many
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of the visions that people are having today and that my husband had and that I had really are
very powerful and reassuring. For instance, the merchants of light actually was out of a vision
and coordinated with the I Ching, the Chinese book of wisdom, but my husband experienced that
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the, that we have now raised the frequency on our planet to the degree that the light that has been
around the earth for a long time, we can now anchor it. Each one of us has a responsibility of
anchoring it in the earth but the light is here, it has connected and that we can, we will heal.
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We can make it because the merchants of light now can be here and people can be born with a
higher frequency now on the planet. We ourselves are a higher frequency so when we do this work,
we are part of that field so we, the field is the merchants of light and I thought, well merchants,
that's a strange thing. My husband had that and I thought sometimes because it's a native language
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and some irony come up with some strange phrases but I found later that that the merchants of light
have existed in Renaissance periods that they are around the world and they come, which my husband
possibly have known, they come at times when we are ready to make tremendous changes and they are
us, we become that energy so the merchants, it's kind of interesting because I said to my husband,
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why merchants? And he said, well they, I have it in the book and I won't say it in that way because
I did it pretty well in the book I think but what he said is that, well they come to the earth to
give us this knowledge, to intensify the energy field, the frequency for the price, we pay a price.
What is the price? To become conscious. It's the price that we pay to the merchants is our
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achieving our own consciousness and I love that. We actually gain by, so that's why they're
called merchants but they're called other things like miracle of love, miracle of, what was the
other life and just the whole list of things that ML stands for. So I think that we have called that
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to ourselves. So our future, if we choose, if we choose to be a part of it, that we've got this.
Mm-hmm, yeah. It's a hopeful evolution, isn't it? Because that has a promise, it gives us meaning,
it gives us purpose and it allows it. Oh absolutely, absolutely meaning to know who we are and to,
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we have to look at the darkness I think head-on and it is horrifying. I think that all of the
results of that suppression for 2,400 years are now here telling us yes you've got to be fixed,
you've got to be transformed, you got to hook you up with a machine, you're not important,
you're not valuable, you're nothing. That's bad but we are facing all of that darkness but if we
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know our history, we know who we are, we can face it and we have this powerful now frequency or
energy field of light that we're working with, that we are and so it's hopeful and I'm optimistic.
I am as well, very encouraging to see. Yes, it is. Yeah, yeah. I think we're ready for it,
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you mentioned the darkness but I think there's a readiness, the merchants come, as you said,
when we're ready and so many of us are. Exactly, we're ready, exactly and the same with the Earth
and this vision that I had of the light, most powerful vision I ever had in my life, of the
light around the Earth and that now it's connecting, we are anchors of that light in the Earth that
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the voice was singing through me and said you have called us and we are here, your planet
has called us and we are here so we are ready because we have called and we're ready for that
light. Sure, yeah and that's something that resonates, I know, with many, many people because
even though we're not using the same vocabulary, it's the same theme, engaging in something that's
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bigger, more powerful, is our time to enjoy and to embrace and it's our way forward. Yes, and that
we are part of. Kim just handed me the, where I'd written it, about merchants of light, I don't know,
you might want to cut this part, but it says the merchants, we are called merchants of light
because they are able to distill darkness into light and like merchants they sell the knowledge
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of this process for the price of consciousness and the entire universe profits. Amazing. Yeah,
aren't they? Amazing. And I was amazed to find out that they were, it wasn't just in my husband's
imagination that they had existed. Yeah, right. It's a celebration, speaking with you
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is a celebration, it's really a destiny, I'm sorry, a destination because I feel we travel,
we travel back in time and we discover different worlds and the cosmos and we've touched on subjects
that I've been interested in for many, many years and it's, you're a masterful at pulling all this
together and allowing us to experience it through your wisdom. Thank you so much for being so
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generous with your time and... Oh, you're so welcome and you know we're all in the same place, I mean
we go on this journey and then we keep looking and looking and we find some things, you know, along
the way and we help each other. It's all, I think of the people and when I was young and so searching
that helped me like that, you know, so it's like it's passed to us, we pass it on the best we can
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that we're all working with it. Sure, absolutely and I believe that's integral to our destiny,
I feel like I came, a mission with this destiny, this idea that I'm going to give something to
someone that's going to be valuable even though I'm not sure what it is to them. I know, that's true
and we're receiving from them, you know, they may not be sure what they're giving us.
So, Betty, it's been an absolute pleasure. Oh, to pick you up too, Pete. Sure, I hope it's not
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the last time we'll have you, I hope we can pick some more things next time and there's lots to
discover and discuss more, you know, we've only touched on the surface of some of these things,
but I feel like we're very, very fortunate to enjoy your time. We'll look forward to the next time.
Well, I will too, I would love to and I've enjoyed it so much. Excellent, we're going to thank you
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again for coming on the broadcast, look forward to the next time. Thank you so much, Betty. Okay,
thank you, take care. You're welcome.
You've been listening to the Psychic Pete Live online radio broadcast. I hope you've enjoyed the
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show. Please tune in again for more interesting episodes. This is Psychic Pete wishing you and
yours all the very best. Peace.
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