September 21, 2025 • 17 mins
The collection of sources provides a wide-ranging overview of topics within cryptozoology and mythological creatures, combining descriptions of purported mystery animals with discussions of related individuals and groups. Several excerpts focus on cryptids globally, detailing characteristics, sightings, and potential explanations for creatures like the Yeti, Sasquatch, Ogopogo, the Chupacabras, and various sea and freshwater monsters such as Nessie. Other texts examine the challenges faced by cryptozoologists within the mainstream scientific community, citing resentment and professional setbacks experienced by those involved in the field. Furthermore, the sources explore magical or supernatural entities like fairies, incubi, phoenixes, and centaurs, offering both scientific-sounding classifications and folklore regarding their nature and origins, while also describing secretive groups such as the Children of the Titans (Titanidae) who possess remarkable control over psychic phenomena.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep dive, your shortcut to knowledge. We
dig into complex topics and we'll pull out the key insights.
Today we're looking at cryptozoology, but probably not how you expect.
We're going beyond just the usual monster myths.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
That's right, We're looking at some pretty serious claims, organizations,
even startling possibilities outlined in the sources we've got.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, forget just blurry photos for a second. Our sources
point towards like organized society's incredibly effective ways these creatures
hide and even while ancient magic being used to manage
what we humans perceive. It's a lot to unpack, it is,
so our mission today is to quickly synthesize the really
core insights into this world of hidden animals. We're talking
everything from secret scientific groups to maybe more sinister occult
(00:47):
circles hunting or hiding these things.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Okay, so where do we start to really get into
this world. We have to define it first, right, Cryptozoology.
That sounds kind of academic, and it is a modern term.
It is coined by a Belgian zoologist in Rhubleman's back
in the late nineteen fifties. It literally means the science
of hidden animals Crypto's zoom logos Hidden animal science, got it.
But the methodology he laid out back in nineteen eighty eight,
(01:12):
that's really key to understanding why this field operates kind
of outside the mainstream. Hubelman's was adamant. He insisted that
a researcher needs more than just zoology. You need real
expertise in mythology, linguistics, archaeology, history.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Wow, okay, so not just biology.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Exactly the core idea his fundamental principle was that you
often have to spend way more time in archives, museums, libraries,
you know, digging through old accounts then you actually spend
out in the field. It demands a kind of intellectual flexibility,
connecting maybe modern sightings with historical records, dots that others
might miss.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And seems some groups are trying to formalize that approach.
Let's talk about the one that really wants that scientific legitimacy,
the Royal Cryptozoological Society or RCS. Yes, the RCS, their
public face, at least according to a prospectus from nineteen
ninety six, is all about scholarly dedication, very elite, apparently
well funded, devoted purely to scientific research, They call their
(02:11):
member scholars and gentlemen, and getting in the standards sound
incredibly high. You need academic records, five reference letters, even
a trip to London for an interview. They definitely want
to appear serious.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Right They project that image very carefully. But while our
source is cut right through that pretty quickly, the reality
seems to be that while they aim for this exclusive air,
most of their active members are actually scientists or maybe
wealthy folks who want to be seen as scientists, who
are often kind of pushed out or sidelined in their
original fields.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh interesting outcasts basically.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Pretty much, and this apparently creates this deep seated resentment
towards the established scientific community because they feel they were
unfairly dismissed. The sources say they often rely more heavily
on myth, legend, guesswork, and supposition than the rigorous methods
they claim to follow. They're dedicated, doubt, but the sources
are blunt, calling them internally a culture of fanatics.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, so you've got the RCS, the sort of outcast
fanatics trying to look official, and then there's this second
group operating totally in the shadows, maybe far more effective.
The Children of the Titans or Titaniday.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yes, the Titaniday. Now this group is different, ancient ancient
founded around nine hundred BC by an Etruscan philosopher mystic
named Mezentius, and their core belief system is radical. They
essentially preach that the Olympian zeus Hera, that whole crowd
are actually quote twisted evil abominations who and that the
(03:41):
elder gods they overthrew the Titans. They're the true cosmic
force for good.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, that's a take. How does that ancient belief connect
to what they do?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Now, that's the fascinating part. It translates directly into their
modern actions. The Titanic Day focus strictly on the supernatural.
They specifically avoid any interest in, say, alien theories. UFOs
are not their thing, and they recruit only people who
possess latent psychic.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Abilities, only psychics.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Only psychics. Our document state they have quote remarkable control
over something they call psychic.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Seepage psychic siemag. What is that?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It doesn't sound like just a metaphor. It seems to
refer to the sort of ambient, latent mental energy that
just exists permeates society and by controlling this and practicing
their form of magic for centuries. Well, they become highly
trained ritual magicians.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wait, hold on magic ritual magicians. How does controlling psychic
seepage relate to cryptids?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Then?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Are they hunting them protecting them?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Good question. It seems like they're maintaining order their definition
of order. They apparently view other mysterious creatures. The sources
mentioned Chupicabra specifically as an outright threat, a threat to
what to the status crow they're trying to enforce. Maybe
it suggests that Titanica are very active players, trying to
control which phenomena, which creatures are allowed to manifest in
(05:00):
our world.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Wow, that's a that's a huge leap from the scientific
posturing of the RCS. We're talking organized accult.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Control exactly, a completely different level.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, let's take that idea organize secrecy, maybe even control,
and apply it to the most famous cryptids, the hairy.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Hominins, Bigfoot, Yeti, Almas.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Right, the sources touch on why sightings differ so much.
You know, you have the massive Bigfoot in Yeti, but
then smaller, more man sized ones like the Almas in
Central Asia. The explanation given is actually pretty straightforward. These
are just isolated populations that have evolved differently over long periods,
leads to variations in size features.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That sort of thing make sen zoologically. But let's focus
on the Yeti, the abominable snowman of Nepal and Tibet,
because here the information gets yeah, pretty wild. Oh so
according to these sources, the locals, they know the truth.
These creatures aren't just unknown apes. There are species called
the Pelosi Pelosi Pelosi, and they're capable of performing quote
(06:00):
great magic.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Magic's like magic.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, and they're described as harboring deep hatred and bile
for humanity. Physically, yeah, they fit some descriptions. Thick set, muscular,
anywhere from five foot six to seven foot six, covered
in thick hair. But crucially they are cunning. They deliberately
hide their powers, often using illusions and confusing magical rituals
to mess with human minds to keep their existence secret illusions.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, And does the physical evidence line up with something unusual?
You mentioned that climber sighting in ninety eight, right, the.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Evers climber saw two with thick, shiny black fur. But
the really confounding evidence is the Pangbosh Monastery hand artifact.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ah, the smuggled hand. That's a famous story.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It is. Peter Burne examined it in nineteen fifty nine
and with help from the actor James.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Stewart Jimmy Stewart really yep, that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Jimmy Stewart, they managed to smuggle out bone fragments for analysis.
And here's why it was a big deal. A leading
primatologist W. C. Osmond Hill was totally baffled by it,
baffled how he couldn't place it. He even suggested it
might be neandersal like. It completely confused the experts, proving
it wasn't just a bear or some known primate.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It was something else, something else, maybe something capable of magic.
And that cunning, that intelligence you mentioned gets even more
pronounced with the Bigfoot in North America.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Absolutely, the Pelosi there, the Sasquatch. They seem to have
refined their magical defenses into a very specific, very potent
ritual charm. Charm for what It's designed to control the
narrative around their existence. It's brilliant in a way. They
apparently lure humans, often people already interested in Cryptid's UFOs.
(07:40):
That sort of thing to a specific area, and then
they perform this complex ritual and the purpose. Its purpose
is pure deceit and encourages the people gathered there to
automatically assume that any evidence they find, footprints, hair samples,
whatever is a hoax.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Wait, it makes them think it's a hoax exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It protects the Pelosi from any serious scientific investigation because
every just dismisses the evidence.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
That's astonishing. So does that mean people who genuinely perpetrate
Bigfoot hoaxes might actually be influenced unwittingly?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's what the sources imply. These hoaxers might genuinely believe
they were abducted, maybe even forced by the Sasquash to
create the fake evidence. Wow, it's not passive hiding, it's
active psychological manipulation warfare.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Almost You mentioned a classification for this ritual DF four
threshold six that sounds really specific, almost technical. What does
that mean is that from the Titanic Day.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Doesn't seem like it. It looks like a classification system
used within the source material itself, maybe to denote the
power and complexity of rituals like this. DF four apparently
refers to a specific type of ritual illusion and threshold
six indicates its high difficulty and well effectiveness. This ritual
lasts for three days apparently, and its power grows with
(08:54):
each Pelosi taking part. It can control the appearance of
everything within the affected area.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Appearance.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, they can make a pelosi look like a deer
or a bear. It's the perfect defense against just you know,
casual observation. They're actively creating the scientific blind spot themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Mind blown. Okay, that completely shifts the perspective from just
misunderstood a to a master manipulator using magic. Let's move
from the mountains to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
The water, deep water mysteries.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Exactly, starting with something that kind of bridges myth and reality,
the giant squid architeothists.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Right, the giant squid. Established science accepts it exists. But
the real mystery is the scale, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
How big did they get?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, we've documented carcasses washing ashore up to maybe thirty
seven feet long, which is huge. Yeah, but many researchers
widely believe these are just infants or.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Juveniles, just the baby, so the adults.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The implication is staggering. Some experts estimate a full adult
architethis could easily exceed one hundred feet in length, living
down on those extreme otion depths where we just can't
easily go one.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hundred feet wow. Okay, And then of course the most
famous lake monster NeSSI.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Lockness. Gotta talk about NeSSI.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Our sources describe a pretty stable population there, around fifty creatures,
it says, averaging about thirty feet long.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Fifty.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, And the physical description is very consistently like appleaseous
or you know, long neck for big flippers.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Which matches maniwitness accounts.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Over the years exactly. And the environment itself shapes them.
Lockness is incredibly deep, very dark, murky.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So these creatures are apparently light averse, have poor eyesight,
They hunt using highly developed senses of hearing, smell, and touch,
mostly near the.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Bottom, and people have been trying to find them for
ages that many substructions.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, the commitment is kind of amazing. In nineteen ninety nine,
this researcher Taylor was building a forty foot thirty ton mini.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sub thirty tons, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Powered by a five hundred horsepower locomotive engine, just to
search the depths for NeSSI.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's dedication or obsession maybe, But Lockness isn't the only
place with lake mysteries true.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
What else to the sources mentioned.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, there's Ogpogo up in Canada, Okanagan Lake described as
serpent like, maybe forty feet long, has a snake like head,
but with two horn like things on it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Horns. Weird. How does it move?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
That's interesting too. It apparently moves by undulating up and down,
not side to side like a snake or fish. That's
pretty unusual for a large aquatic animal.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Mm and mochalaem bembe the congo dinosaur, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Mochalambmbe often dismissed in the West, but the sources say
the legend feels so plausible because local sightings are just
so numerous and.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Consistent, consistently described as.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
A soropod dinosaur like a Brondosaurus. Basically Roy McCall led expeditions.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, I remember reading about those.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Didn't find the creature itself, but they did find these large,
unexplained three toed footprints and intriguing right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Very okay, before we leave the water see serpents. The
sources have a theory here that's completely out there.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The nanoconstruct theory.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Exactly bypasses biology entirely forget evolution. It proposes an entirely
unnatural explanation, the ideas that sea serpents are actually nanoconstructs,
tiny machines build millennia ago by atlantisance. Seriously, that's what
it says, built to guard their hidden underwater palaces. This
super advanced nanotechnology seen by ancient humans wouldn't look like
(12:20):
tech to them. It would look like magical divine power.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Okay, from paleontology straight to ancient aliens. Yeah, or ancient
high tech humans.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's quite a leap, it is, which actually sets us
up perfectly for our final case files, where things get
really strange and maybe inexplicable. Let's start with Mothman Point, Pleasant,
West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right. The Mossman sightings, right, the key one. The primary
encounter from nineteen sixty six happened near this abandoned TNT
ammunition dump. It's incredibly detailed.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
What did they see?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Witnesses saw this large figure kind of hunged over a
dead dog. It had glowing red eyes that reflected light
quote sort of like a bicycle reflector. And when they
try to drive away, the creature spread these huge butterfly
wings and chase their car reportedly hit speeds up to
one hundred miles per hour and actually struck the roof
of the car.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It hit the car. That's physical interaction, not just a
glimpse exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's not just a shadow or a feeling. Although it's
worth noting later sightings, like some reported out in San Jose, California. Well,
they were sometimes dismissed, blamed on unreliable witnesses, a ranger
who'd been drinking, some teenagers deemed untrustworthy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Right, the usual dismissals. But that initial West Virginia encounter,
with the physical contact that remains really powerful.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Definitely. Then we shift to something truly disturbing from Ireland
in nineteen ninety five. It involves fairies.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Or the side fairies like tinker Bell.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Uh, probably not like tinker Bell. This was serious. A
series of infant kidnappings, almost fifteen total kidnappings. Yes, and
there was never any sign of forest entry, just an
open window near the crib in each case.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But the really busy, the really bizarre part. The kidnappers
always left ancient gold coins on the pillows.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Gold coins why.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Like some kind of trade or payment? Who knows it
gets weirder. An investigator looking into it at God named Jervis.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
He disappeared for a while, and when he came back.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He reappeared completely incoherent. Raving claimed the culprits were the
fairies the sea he and that they used enchantment in Chapman. Yeah,
though he apparently noted even in his state that such
aggressive magic is quote not really allowed by the rules
of their kind.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Not allowed by the rules. The sheer nerve of these
sources is something else. Okay, Let's wrap up with two
quick ones that seem more biologically plausible. Maybe giant spiders
and giant turtles. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Mainstream science usually says truly massive spiders are impossible biologically,
but our sources detail some pretty astonishing reports from World
War Two?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Where was this?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Nearport Moresby and New Guinea. During the war, soldiers apparently
encountered and hacked it this enormous spider. It was described
as non hairy, shiny, and emerald green, and the size
measured at a stunning three feet across tip to tip.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Three feet a spider, okay, that changes things.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It certainly challenges our understanding of arthropod limits. And finally,
a nice example where myth basically became fact. The giant
turtles of Hanoi.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The haan Keem turtle.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Exactly revered locally, considered a legend for ages scientists were
you know, septacle until nineteen ninety eight. A cameraman actually
managed to film three of them surfacing in the lake
clear footage. A biologist analyzed it later and confirmed it
was a previously undescribed species named it Raffetus lalloi.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So sometimes the legends are real, you just need proof sometimes.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, the only thing separating myth from biology was a
clear camera lens in that case.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So after all that, what does this really mean for
you listening? We've gone from organized secrecy, these fanatical RCS
scientists versus the powerful psychic magicians of the Utana day,
to really fantastical stuff like the Pelosi using magic to
create the hopes as we dismiss.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's quite a range, and when you look back at
the history of zoology itself, it's important to remember how
often creatures we now accept were once dismissed as pure myth.
With gorillas, Lilan gorillas, yeah, kmmoto, dragon's, pygmy hippos, they
were all considered fantasy or local tall tales right up
until they were scientifically confirmed. The idea that something doesn't
exist is often just well, a temporary blind spot in
(16:25):
science and cryptozoology, at least as its founders, like Holman's defined,
it is about looking past that blind spot. It demands
we take history, mythology, local knowledge seriously to find the truth,
even if that truth sometimes involves well magic.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Which brings us to a final pretty provocative thought to
leave you with.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Right, If the Titaniday who believe the overthrown Titans are
the good guys, are correct in their cosmic.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
View, and if the Yetti the Pelosi really are capable
of using ancient powerful illusions to actively to see us,
to manage human perception.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Then how many of the monsters, the cryptids we just
write off as folklore, How many of them are actually
highly intelligent, maybe organized, definitely powerful players who are actively
maintaining the world we see.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Maintaining it exactly as they want us to see it.
That level of sophisticated management, it suggests the world you
think you know might be far more curated, far more
controlled than you could possibly imagine.
Welcome to the deep dive, your shortcut to knowledge. We
dig into complex topics and we'll pull out the key insights.
Today we're looking at cryptozoology, but probably not how you expect.
We're going beyond just the usual monster myths.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
That's right, We're looking at some pretty serious claims, organizations,
even startling possibilities outlined in the sources we've got.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, forget just blurry photos for a second. Our sources
point towards like organized society's incredibly effective ways these creatures
hide and even while ancient magic being used to manage
what we humans perceive. It's a lot to unpack, it is,
so our mission today is to quickly synthesize the really
core insights into this world of hidden animals. We're talking
everything from secret scientific groups to maybe more sinister occult
(00:47):
circles hunting or hiding these things.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Okay, so where do we start to really get into
this world. We have to define it first, right, Cryptozoology.
That sounds kind of academic, and it is a modern term.
It is coined by a Belgian zoologist in Rhubleman's back
in the late nineteen fifties. It literally means the science
of hidden animals Crypto's zoom logos Hidden animal science, got it.
But the methodology he laid out back in nineteen eighty eight,
(01:12):
that's really key to understanding why this field operates kind
of outside the mainstream. Hubelman's was adamant. He insisted that
a researcher needs more than just zoology. You need real
expertise in mythology, linguistics, archaeology, history.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Wow, okay, so not just biology.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Exactly the core idea his fundamental principle was that you
often have to spend way more time in archives, museums, libraries,
you know, digging through old accounts then you actually spend
out in the field. It demands a kind of intellectual flexibility,
connecting maybe modern sightings with historical records, dots that others
might miss.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And seems some groups are trying to formalize that approach.
Let's talk about the one that really wants that scientific legitimacy,
the Royal Cryptozoological Society or RCS. Yes, the RCS, their
public face, at least according to a prospectus from nineteen
ninety six, is all about scholarly dedication, very elite, apparently
well funded, devoted purely to scientific research, They call their
(02:11):
member scholars and gentlemen, and getting in the standards sound
incredibly high. You need academic records, five reference letters, even
a trip to London for an interview. They definitely want
to appear serious.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Right They project that image very carefully. But while our
source is cut right through that pretty quickly, the reality
seems to be that while they aim for this exclusive air,
most of their active members are actually scientists or maybe
wealthy folks who want to be seen as scientists, who
are often kind of pushed out or sidelined in their
original fields.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh interesting outcasts basically.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Pretty much, and this apparently creates this deep seated resentment
towards the established scientific community because they feel they were
unfairly dismissed. The sources say they often rely more heavily
on myth, legend, guesswork, and supposition than the rigorous methods
they claim to follow. They're dedicated, doubt, but the sources
are blunt, calling them internally a culture of fanatics.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, so you've got the RCS, the sort of outcast
fanatics trying to look official, and then there's this second
group operating totally in the shadows, maybe far more effective.
The Children of the Titans or Titaniday.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yes, the Titaniday. Now this group is different, ancient ancient
founded around nine hundred BC by an Etruscan philosopher mystic
named Mezentius, and their core belief system is radical. They
essentially preach that the Olympian zeus Hera, that whole crowd
are actually quote twisted evil abominations who and that the
(03:41):
elder gods they overthrew the Titans. They're the true cosmic
force for good.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, that's a take. How does that ancient belief connect
to what they do?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Now, that's the fascinating part. It translates directly into their
modern actions. The Titanic Day focus strictly on the supernatural.
They specifically avoid any interest in, say, alien theories. UFOs
are not their thing, and they recruit only people who
possess latent psychic.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Abilities, only psychics.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Only psychics. Our document state they have quote remarkable control
over something they call psychic.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Seepage psychic siemag. What is that?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It doesn't sound like just a metaphor. It seems to
refer to the sort of ambient, latent mental energy that
just exists permeates society and by controlling this and practicing
their form of magic for centuries. Well, they become highly
trained ritual magicians.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wait, hold on magic ritual magicians. How does controlling psychic
seepage relate to cryptids?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Then?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Are they hunting them protecting them?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Good question. It seems like they're maintaining order their definition
of order. They apparently view other mysterious creatures. The sources
mentioned Chupicabra specifically as an outright threat, a threat to
what to the status crow they're trying to enforce. Maybe
it suggests that Titanica are very active players, trying to
control which phenomena, which creatures are allowed to manifest in
(05:00):
our world.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Wow, that's a that's a huge leap from the scientific
posturing of the RCS. We're talking organized accult.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Control exactly, a completely different level.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, let's take that idea organize secrecy, maybe even control,
and apply it to the most famous cryptids, the hairy.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Hominins, Bigfoot, Yeti, Almas.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Right, the sources touch on why sightings differ so much.
You know, you have the massive Bigfoot in Yeti, but
then smaller, more man sized ones like the Almas in
Central Asia. The explanation given is actually pretty straightforward. These
are just isolated populations that have evolved differently over long periods,
leads to variations in size features.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That sort of thing make sen zoologically. But let's focus
on the Yeti, the abominable snowman of Nepal and Tibet,
because here the information gets yeah, pretty wild. Oh so
according to these sources, the locals, they know the truth.
These creatures aren't just unknown apes. There are species called
the Pelosi Pelosi Pelosi, and they're capable of performing quote
(06:00):
great magic.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Magic's like magic.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, and they're described as harboring deep hatred and bile
for humanity. Physically, yeah, they fit some descriptions. Thick set, muscular,
anywhere from five foot six to seven foot six, covered
in thick hair. But crucially they are cunning. They deliberately
hide their powers, often using illusions and confusing magical rituals
to mess with human minds to keep their existence secret illusions.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, And does the physical evidence line up with something unusual?
You mentioned that climber sighting in ninety eight, right, the.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Evers climber saw two with thick, shiny black fur. But
the really confounding evidence is the Pangbosh Monastery hand artifact.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Ah, the smuggled hand. That's a famous story.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It is. Peter Burne examined it in nineteen fifty nine
and with help from the actor James.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Stewart Jimmy Stewart really yep, that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Jimmy Stewart, they managed to smuggle out bone fragments for analysis.
And here's why it was a big deal. A leading
primatologist W. C. Osmond Hill was totally baffled by it,
baffled how he couldn't place it. He even suggested it
might be neandersal like. It completely confused the experts, proving
it wasn't just a bear or some known primate.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It was something else, something else, maybe something capable of magic.
And that cunning, that intelligence you mentioned gets even more
pronounced with the Bigfoot in North America.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Absolutely, the Pelosi there, the Sasquatch. They seem to have
refined their magical defenses into a very specific, very potent
ritual charm. Charm for what It's designed to control the
narrative around their existence. It's brilliant in a way. They
apparently lure humans, often people already interested in Cryptid's UFOs.
(07:40):
That sort of thing to a specific area, and then
they perform this complex ritual and the purpose. Its purpose
is pure deceit and encourages the people gathered there to
automatically assume that any evidence they find, footprints, hair samples,
whatever is a hoax.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Wait, it makes them think it's a hoax exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It protects the Pelosi from any serious scientific investigation because
every just dismisses the evidence.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
That's astonishing. So does that mean people who genuinely perpetrate
Bigfoot hoaxes might actually be influenced unwittingly?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's what the sources imply. These hoaxers might genuinely believe
they were abducted, maybe even forced by the Sasquash to
create the fake evidence. Wow, it's not passive hiding, it's
active psychological manipulation warfare.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Almost You mentioned a classification for this ritual DF four
threshold six that sounds really specific, almost technical. What does
that mean is that from the Titanic Day.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Doesn't seem like it. It looks like a classification system
used within the source material itself, maybe to denote the
power and complexity of rituals like this. DF four apparently
refers to a specific type of ritual illusion and threshold
six indicates its high difficulty and well effectiveness. This ritual
lasts for three days apparently, and its power grows with
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each Pelosi taking part. It can control the appearance of
everything within the affected area.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Appearance.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, they can make a pelosi look like a deer
or a bear. It's the perfect defense against just you know,
casual observation. They're actively creating the scientific blind spot themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Mind blown. Okay, that completely shifts the perspective from just
misunderstood a to a master manipulator using magic. Let's move
from the mountains to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
The water, deep water mysteries.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Exactly, starting with something that kind of bridges myth and reality,
the giant squid architeothists.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Right, the giant squid. Established science accepts it exists. But
the real mystery is the scale, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
How big did they get?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, we've documented carcasses washing ashore up to maybe thirty
seven feet long, which is huge. Yeah, but many researchers
widely believe these are just infants or.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Juveniles, just the baby, so the adults.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The implication is staggering. Some experts estimate a full adult
architethis could easily exceed one hundred feet in length, living
down on those extreme otion depths where we just can't
easily go one.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hundred feet wow. Okay, And then of course the most
famous lake monster NeSSI.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Lockness. Gotta talk about NeSSI.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Our sources describe a pretty stable population there, around fifty creatures,
it says, averaging about thirty feet long.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Fifty.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, And the physical description is very consistently like appleaseous
or you know, long neck for big flippers.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Which matches maniwitness accounts.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Over the years exactly. And the environment itself shapes them.
Lockness is incredibly deep, very dark, murky.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So these creatures are apparently light averse, have poor eyesight,
They hunt using highly developed senses of hearing, smell, and touch,
mostly near the.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Bottom, and people have been trying to find them for
ages that many substructions.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, the commitment is kind of amazing. In nineteen ninety nine,
this researcher Taylor was building a forty foot thirty ton mini.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sub thirty tons, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Powered by a five hundred horsepower locomotive engine, just to
search the depths for NeSSI.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's dedication or obsession maybe, But Lockness isn't the only
place with lake mysteries true.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
What else to the sources mentioned.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, there's Ogpogo up in Canada, Okanagan Lake described as
serpent like, maybe forty feet long, has a snake like head,
but with two horn like things on it.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Horns. Weird. How does it move?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
That's interesting too. It apparently moves by undulating up and down,
not side to side like a snake or fish. That's
pretty unusual for a large aquatic animal.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Mm and mochalaem bembe the congo dinosaur, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Mochalambmbe often dismissed in the West, but the sources say
the legend feels so plausible because local sightings are just
so numerous and.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Consistent, consistently described as.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
A soropod dinosaur like a Brondosaurus. Basically Roy McCall led expeditions.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, I remember reading about those.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Didn't find the creature itself, but they did find these large,
unexplained three toed footprints and intriguing right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Very okay, before we leave the water see serpents. The
sources have a theory here that's completely out there.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The nanoconstruct theory.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Exactly bypasses biology entirely forget evolution. It proposes an entirely
unnatural explanation, the ideas that sea serpents are actually nanoconstructs,
tiny machines build millennia ago by atlantisance. Seriously, that's what
it says, built to guard their hidden underwater palaces. This
super advanced nanotechnology seen by ancient humans wouldn't look like
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tech to them. It would look like magical divine power.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Okay, from paleontology straight to ancient aliens. Yeah, or ancient
high tech humans.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That's quite a leap, it is, which actually sets us
up perfectly for our final case files, where things get
really strange and maybe inexplicable. Let's start with Mothman Point, Pleasant,
West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right. The Mossman sightings, right, the key one. The primary
encounter from nineteen sixty six happened near this abandoned TNT
ammunition dump. It's incredibly detailed.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
What did they see?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Witnesses saw this large figure kind of hunged over a
dead dog. It had glowing red eyes that reflected light
quote sort of like a bicycle reflector. And when they
try to drive away, the creature spread these huge butterfly
wings and chase their car reportedly hit speeds up to
one hundred miles per hour and actually struck the roof
of the car.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It hit the car. That's physical interaction, not just a
glimpse exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's not just a shadow or a feeling. Although it's
worth noting later sightings, like some reported out in San Jose, California. Well,
they were sometimes dismissed, blamed on unreliable witnesses, a ranger
who'd been drinking, some teenagers deemed untrustworthy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Right, the usual dismissals. But that initial West Virginia encounter,
with the physical contact that remains really powerful.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Definitely. Then we shift to something truly disturbing from Ireland
in nineteen ninety five. It involves fairies.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Or the side fairies like tinker Bell.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Uh, probably not like tinker Bell. This was serious. A
series of infant kidnappings, almost fifteen total kidnappings. Yes, and
there was never any sign of forest entry, just an
open window near the crib in each case.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But the really busy, the really bizarre part. The kidnappers
always left ancient gold coins on the pillows.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Gold coins why.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Like some kind of trade or payment? Who knows it
gets weirder. An investigator looking into it at God named Jervis.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
He disappeared for a while, and when he came back.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He reappeared completely incoherent. Raving claimed the culprits were the
fairies the sea he and that they used enchantment in Chapman. Yeah,
though he apparently noted even in his state that such
aggressive magic is quote not really allowed by the rules
of their kind.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Not allowed by the rules. The sheer nerve of these
sources is something else. Okay, Let's wrap up with two
quick ones that seem more biologically plausible. Maybe giant spiders
and giant turtles. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Mainstream science usually says truly massive spiders are impossible biologically,
but our sources detail some pretty astonishing reports from World
War Two?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Where was this?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Nearport Moresby and New Guinea. During the war, soldiers apparently
encountered and hacked it this enormous spider. It was described
as non hairy, shiny, and emerald green, and the size
measured at a stunning three feet across tip to tip.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Three feet a spider, okay, that changes things.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It certainly challenges our understanding of arthropod limits. And finally,
a nice example where myth basically became fact. The giant
turtles of Hanoi.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The haan Keem turtle.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Exactly revered locally, considered a legend for ages scientists were
you know, septacle until nineteen ninety eight. A cameraman actually
managed to film three of them surfacing in the lake
clear footage. A biologist analyzed it later and confirmed it
was a previously undescribed species named it Raffetus lalloi.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So sometimes the legends are real, you just need proof sometimes.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, the only thing separating myth from biology was a
clear camera lens in that case.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So after all that, what does this really mean for
you listening? We've gone from organized secrecy, these fanatical RCS
scientists versus the powerful psychic magicians of the Utana day,
to really fantastical stuff like the Pelosi using magic to
create the hopes as we dismiss.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's quite a range, and when you look back at
the history of zoology itself, it's important to remember how
often creatures we now accept were once dismissed as pure myth.
With gorillas, Lilan gorillas, yeah, kmmoto, dragon's, pygmy hippos, they
were all considered fantasy or local tall tales right up
until they were scientifically confirmed. The idea that something doesn't
exist is often just well, a temporary blind spot in
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science and cryptozoology, at least as its founders, like Holman's defined,
it is about looking past that blind spot. It demands
we take history, mythology, local knowledge seriously to find the truth,
even if that truth sometimes involves well magic.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Which brings us to a final pretty provocative thought to
leave you with.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Right, If the Titaniday who believe the overthrown Titans are
the good guys, are correct in their cosmic.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
View, and if the Yetti the Pelosi really are capable
of using ancient powerful illusions to actively to see us,
to manage human perception.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Then how many of the monsters, the cryptids we just
write off as folklore, How many of them are actually
highly intelligent, maybe organized, definitely powerful players who are actively
maintaining the world we see.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Maintaining it exactly as they want us to see it.
That level of sophisticated management, it suggests the world you
think you know might be far more curated, far more
controlled than you could possibly imagine.
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