September 17, 2025 • 16 mins
R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz's "The Egyptian Miracle" explores the spiritual and philosophical aspects of ancient Egyptian civilization, emphasizing their understanding of the universe, consciousness, and the interconnectedness of life. It argues that the Egyptians possessed profound knowledge of metaphysics and the nature of reality, which is reflected in their art, architecture, and religious practices.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, diving into the Egyptian miracle. It's like, eh,
it's like stepping into a whole different way of seeing
the world. You know. It's not just like pharaohs and pyramids. Right,
we're talking about this this really deep wisdom that the
ancient Egyptians wove into their whole civilization. It's like temples
as these living textbooks.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah. Well, what's so fascinating is that they weren't just
you know, buildings, these temples. They were living entities, like
resonating with cosmic energy, you know, almost like a power source. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's like you don't just go to a building to
a worship, right, this whole house of life thing that
really struck me. You know, this idea that they saw
the temple as like a mini universe, and our bodies
are human bodies as reflections of that same order exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
That's the whole concept of anthropo cosmos. Right. It's not
just that the body's amazing, it's that they thought by
understanding our own bodies.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We could understand the universe.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, could unlock the universe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's like instead of looking out at space, they're looking.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
In it completely. Is how you think about something like
the luxe or temple. It wasn't just built to be onspirring,
which it is. But the layout, the chambers, they all
line up with the human body. It's like a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh wow, Okay, so they're making a really strong connection
between us and this universal design. But the book also
talks about how differently they thought, right, like we analyze everything,
break it down, but the Egyptians they seem to get
this interconnectedness more intuitively.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Absolutely symbolism, analogy, intuition. These were key for them. Think
about the usec necklace. You see it everywhere in Egyptian art.
To us, it's jewelry, right, but Schwaller de Lubich connects
it to the heart, the cervical vertebrae.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, I was confused by that too, like what
does a necklace have to do with, you know, the cosmos?
But I think I'm starting to see that they were
looking for a deeper meaning behind things, behind forms.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Exactly every form of nature, the necklace of plant, even shapes.
They thought these reflected a deeper function of principle. Shwalder
d Lupach calls this natural symbolism, and it's crucial to
understanding them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So It's like they thought the universe was talking through
these symbols, and like we've kind of lost that ability,
you know, to see the world like that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Maybe maybe now think about numbers, we think quantity, right, Yeah,
they thought function like pi not just a number to them,
but the essence of a circle, right.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like it's in the circle's DNA or something. And then
there's that to tractic thing. It's a triangle. But they
saw it as the like the core.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Of creation and that's huge. We use math as a tool.
They saw it as a spiritual language. You see it
with hieroglyphs too. They could use an alphabet easier to write.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But it had to have that meaning. Those symbols meant
something powerful.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's like their whole civilization. It makes you think differently.
We've talked about these two modes of intelligence before. Are
we seeing that here with the Egyptians?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Exactly? They had this cerebral intelligence, the logic, the analysis,
but also the intelligence of the heart, an intuitive understanding.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And it wasn't one or the other, right, they saw
value in both of them.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Absolutely. In fact, they believe that to really grasp the universe,
we need both.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, it's like we're so busy thinking about the world
that we forget to actually feel it. You know.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's a good point, and it might be one of
the big takeaways from the Egyptian miracle. Schwald A Lubich
wants us to go beyond just analyzing to see if
their way of thinking can like unlock something in us too.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's like he's saying, here's their worldview, Now, what are
you going to do with it?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right now, let's go back to that temple as a
microcosm thing, a reflection of the universe. Remember, it wasn't
just looking at a building. They thought it was a
tool for inner transformation.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, so not just like a model of the universe,
but a way to actually interact with it, experience it
within yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, and this takes us back to symbolism. They knew
symbol's bypass the logical mind goes straight to the subconscious.
Like imagine explaining a dream, right, the feeling's hard to
put into words, but in the dream, those symbols they're powerful.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That's a really good way to put it. But if
we want to learn this ancient language, where do we
even start observation?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Shchwala Jlubitch was big on studying nature, not just for
what things are, but what they represent, the patterns, the forms,
the relationships. Ask yourself what deeper meaning might be there.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So we have to kind of retrain our brains look
for the hidden meaning behind everything.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, it's shifting your perspective, letting go of assumptions, thinking
more intuitively holistically.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, so we've got anthropecosmos, the universe within us, the
symbolic language we can learn, and then the temple this guide.
But it's not enough to just understand this intellectually.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right, you got it. They thought knowledge had to be embodied, experienced,
not just read about, but put into practice.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's like learning an instrument. You can study music theory,
but until you play, it's just theory. You don't really
get it until you feel it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Exactly. To get the Egyptian worldview, you have to engage
with it, observe nature, contemplate symbols, cultivate your intuition.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You mentioned trying to be more mindful in your own life.
It seems like that could connect with this idea of
embodying knowledge.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It definitely could. Now this might sound like a lot,
but you don't need to build a pyramid. It's about
small changes in how you see and interact with the world.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Okay, so how do we do that? How do we
take these big ancient ideas and make them practical today?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Remember the two modes of intelligence the Egyptians they knew
both the rational mind and the intuitive heart were important.
That's useful for us to.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Remember, too, Right, it's not picking one over the other.
But our world it's all logic analysis, getting things done.
How do we even start to wake that intuitive side
back up?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It starts with paying attention those gut feelings, hunches, those
moments of insight that aren't logical, Trusting that inner voice
even if you don't understand it yet.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It's like listening to that whisper that says this feels
right or something's off, even if our brain hasn't caught up.
I know I ignore that sometimes, especially when I'm stressed.
But the Egyptians they thought that intuition was important, not
something to ignore absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And there are things you can do, meditation, being in nature,
creative stuff. It's about that childlike wonder again, seeing the
world fresh.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You mentioned starting a painting class. Sounds like you're tapping.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Into that It has been interesting, that's for sure. But
going back to the Egyptian Miracle, one of the most
fascinating parts is this idea of my aunt right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's like their word for cosmic order. But it's more
than just how like planets are arranged.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, exactly. Matt's truth, justice, order, and balance. It's the
force that holds it all together, from the tiniest thing
to the entire galaxy. And they thought we had a
responsibility to uphold Mallet, to live by it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So it wasn't just about believing in Matt. It was
about like actively living it out, making choices that kept
things in balance.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, it wasn't worshiping a god out there, but embodying
those prints in your own life. When we stray from Matt,
that's when things go wrong. That's when there's chaos and suffering.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It makes you think about, well, everything going on today, right,
climate change, all the unrest, it's like we've forgotten that
we're all connected, that our actions have consequences.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It really does make you think. But maybe if we
can get back to this malt idea, remember our responsibility
for truth and balance, maybe we can start to fix things.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's beautiful, but also kind of daunting, this idea that
we each play a part in keeping the entire universe
in order. But did the Egyptians think living by mot
was always easy? I mean, life is messy, right, It
can throw you off.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Course, of course, And that's where we get to another
big thing for them, duality. They didn't see the universe
as simple good versus evil, but this interplay light and
shadow both necessary.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So it wasn't about trying to be perfect only good
all the time exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They thought both light and shadow were needed for creation,
Both were needed for us to grow.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's like that saying the lotus flower grows in the mud. Right,
challenges weren't bad, they were chances to learn exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
It wasn't about avoiding pain, but moving through it with wisdom,
with compassion, using it to grow.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So it's like this dance back and forth, light and dark, joy, sorrow, success, failure,
learning to move through it all, knowing every experience has
something to teach you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And the Egyptians they believe that by embracing this dance,
facing our shadows, we become whole, we reach.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Our potential, which makes me think, how did they see death?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Then?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Was it the end? Or just another part of this dance.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is where we get into their idea of the afterlife.
They didn't see death as the end, but a transition
to this other realm called the duot.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, so not heaven or hell like we think of them,
but something totally different. What did they think happened there?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
The Duat was this mysterious place full of tests. The
deceased faced their shadows, proved if they were worthy to
keep going towards the light. Think of it like a
final exam.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I can see why living a good life was so important.
Then It wasn't about going to paradise. It was being
ready for what came next.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Exactly they believed what happened and they do it depended
on how you lived, how close you were to Mahat,
how wise you were, how virtuous. That's how you got through.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So it wasn't just rituals or beliefs. It was about
a life of integrity, compassion, wisdom, actually living.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It Precisely, those who lived well would be rewarded. Those
who didn't well, they faced more challenges.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It all comes back to that interconnectedness. It wasn't just
about your salvation. It was realizing that what you did
affected everything.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's it exactly. Living by Hamat, you were helping everyone,
the whole universe.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It really makes you think about the legacy we leave behind,
doesn't it, Not just now, but in this bigger cosmic sense.
Did they have any specific practices to get ready for
this journey after death? Anything we can.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Learn from they did. One of the most important was
creating what they called the Book of the Dead.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh, I've always loved that name. It sounds so mysterious.
Was it a book like we think of it?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Exactly? More like a collection of spells, prayers, hymns, instructions
to help guide the dead through the duway.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So like a spiritual travel guide. Did they bury it
with them?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Often? Yeah, Sometimes on the tomb walls or sarcophag guy
or papyrus scrolls inside, like giving them a map to
the underworld.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
What was in this map? Specific things to do?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Say? It depended, but there were common themes, declarations of innocence,
listing good things they'd done in life, like saying to
a judge is who I was, This is how I
lived by my aunt.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Wow. Intense, Like they weren't just hoping for the best,
but actually showing they were worthy. It's that knowledge and
action thing again.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Exactly. Knowledge wasn't enough, You had to live it. The
Book of the Dead wasn't a last minute plea, but
proof of the life you'd lived.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's amazing how their beliefs about life and death they
weren't separate. You didn't just believe in the afterlife. You
had to earn your way there by how you live.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Exactly, it wasn't enough to just believe. You had to
do the work. And the Book of the Dead it
wasn't just about going into the afterlife either. It was
a reminder to live a good life now.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And once they got there, were they done? Did it
say what happened if you made it through the duot?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It did? They believed you reached this state of total bliss,
reuniting with the divine, becoming part of the cosmic consciousness,
what they called osiris, So.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Not just surviving, but going beyond our limits, becoming part
of something so much bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, they imagine a place where there's no more birth
and death. Your soul just exists in this eternal flow,
one with everything.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's an amazing thought, isn't it Not holding onto life
but becoming part of something so much greater.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It makes you think about why we're here, doesn't it
that it's not about possessions or success, but the wisdom
we gain, the compassion we show, the connection we make
to something bigger than ourselves, and those are things death
can't touch.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It's like they're saying, the real treasure is within us,
something we carry with us.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Always perfectly said. But the Egyptian Miracle doesn't just stay
on these big ideas. It gets into specifics too, Like
how they saw the human body.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yes, the spine right, it was way more than just
bones to them. It was like this central energy channel
or something.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's really cool how they connected the physical and the metaphysical.
The spine was this ladder, each vertebra a different level
of consciousness.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
No way, that's so cool. So it's like they had
this internal map this whole system thousands of years before
chakers became popular, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And it wasn't just a metaphor to them. They thought
specific spots on the spine matched up with energy centers.
Work with those centers, you could reach higher states of consciousness.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's like they mapped the human energy field way before
we had the technology to do it. They knew the
body wasn't just a machine, but this mini universe with
that same divine order built.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
In, And that's anthropocosmos again, understand yourself, understand the universe.
They saw the body as sacred, This vessel of divine energy.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Makes you think, how would we treat our bodies if
we saw them like that question?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Do we treat our bodies with respect or do we
abuse them? Take them for granted? How we treat our bodies.
It's how we treat ourselves, each other, even the planet.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's like we keep saying, we're not separate our bodies.
They're part of this whole cosmic.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Picture, and they hold so much wisdom. If we listen
to them, honor their rhythms, we can learn so much.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's what we've been talking about all along, real knowledge.
It's not just in our heads. It's something we feel,
experience in every part of us.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's it. It's about remembering that ancient wisdom treating our
bodies is sacred and beginning this journey of healing, change
and discovery, a.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Journey that's both personal and for all of us. And
as we keep exploring these mysteries, keep unpacking anthropocosmus. It
makes you wonder if the universes like inside us like
a mirror, where does that leave the universe itself? What
do the Egyptians think about like reality on a big scale.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's a question that's always been around, hasn't it. And
the Egyptians they had a pretty amazing way of looking
at it. They didn't see the universes empty but alive.
This entity with intelligence well they called mottat.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We've talked about mott but it's more than just I
don't know, a rule book or something. It's like this
force that's everywhere. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's not just the rules, but the energy behind them.
Imagine a tapestry, right, mot isn't the threads, it's the
loom that holds them together, make sure the whole thing works.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So it's not just things being in order, but what
keeps them that way exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And we weren't just along for the ride. They thought
humans were supposed to help uphold matt keep it going.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We weren't just the audience. We were part of the
show exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So it wasn't enough to just get the idea. You
had to live it, make choices that kept everything in
balance and if we didn't, well, that's when things went wrong.
That's when you'd see chaos, suffering all that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
There's that quote from the book as above, so below
it's like they knew even the little things we do
they matter to the whole picture.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's the heart of their world. To view that connection. Yeah,
our choices affect everything.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's kind of a lot to think about. Like we're
responsible not just for ourselves, but for everything.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It is a lot, yeah, but it's also powerful. We're
not just watching this happen. We can choose to do
what's right, align ourselves with Matt, be a force for good.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, that's a much better way to look at it.
It reminds me of what you said about the Book
of the Dead, how it wasn't just about getting into
the afterlife, but about living a good life now.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Exactly when you strive to live by Mahat, to make
good choices, you're not just earning your way somewhere. You're
helping to make the world a better place right now.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So the real prize isn't at the end of the journey,
it's the journey itself. Getting closer to that cosmic harmony.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I love that and that's really what the Egyptian Miracle
is all about. Schweller d Lubach just wants us to
see this ancient wisdom not as something dead, but is
something we can still use today.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like he's saying, here's this incredible knowledge, Now go out
and do something with it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, whether it's understanding the symbolism in nature, seeing that
connection between us and the universe, or trying to live
a more balanced life, there's so much we can take
from this and use in our own lives.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's about finding that sense of wonder again, that curiosity,
seeing the world with fresh eyes. It's about realizing that
there's something incredible not just inside us, but in everything
around us, and.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
In a world that feels so divided, so messed up,
sometimes remembering that connection that we're all in this together,
with each other, with the planet, with everything that's more
important than ever.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
It's a message that never gets old, does it. And
as we finish up this deep dive into the Egyptian Miracle,
I hope you all take that with you, that sense
of wonder, that invitation to look deeper, to see the
potential that's inside all of us.
You know, diving into the Egyptian miracle. It's like, eh,
it's like stepping into a whole different way of seeing
the world. You know. It's not just like pharaohs and pyramids. Right,
we're talking about this this really deep wisdom that the
ancient Egyptians wove into their whole civilization. It's like temples
as these living textbooks.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah. Well, what's so fascinating is that they weren't just
you know, buildings, these temples. They were living entities, like
resonating with cosmic energy, you know, almost like a power source. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's like you don't just go to a building to
a worship, right, this whole house of life thing that
really struck me. You know, this idea that they saw
the temple as like a mini universe, and our bodies
are human bodies as reflections of that same order exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
That's the whole concept of anthropo cosmos. Right. It's not
just that the body's amazing, it's that they thought by
understanding our own bodies.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We could understand the universe.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, could unlock the universe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's like instead of looking out at space, they're looking.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
In it completely. Is how you think about something like
the luxe or temple. It wasn't just built to be onspirring,
which it is. But the layout, the chambers, they all
line up with the human body. It's like a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh wow, Okay, so they're making a really strong connection
between us and this universal design. But the book also
talks about how differently they thought, right, like we analyze everything,
break it down, but the Egyptians they seem to get
this interconnectedness more intuitively.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Absolutely symbolism, analogy, intuition. These were key for them. Think
about the usec necklace. You see it everywhere in Egyptian art.
To us, it's jewelry, right, but Schwaller de Lubich connects
it to the heart, the cervical vertebrae.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know, I was confused by that too, like what
does a necklace have to do with, you know, the cosmos?
But I think I'm starting to see that they were
looking for a deeper meaning behind things, behind forms.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Exactly every form of nature, the necklace of plant, even shapes.
They thought these reflected a deeper function of principle. Shwalder
d Lupach calls this natural symbolism, and it's crucial to
understanding them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So It's like they thought the universe was talking through
these symbols, and like we've kind of lost that ability,
you know, to see the world like that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Maybe maybe now think about numbers, we think quantity, right, Yeah,
they thought function like pi not just a number to them,
but the essence of a circle, right.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Like it's in the circle's DNA or something. And then
there's that to tractic thing. It's a triangle. But they
saw it as the like the core.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Of creation and that's huge. We use math as a tool.
They saw it as a spiritual language. You see it
with hieroglyphs too. They could use an alphabet easier to write.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But it had to have that meaning. Those symbols meant
something powerful.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's like their whole civilization. It makes you think differently.
We've talked about these two modes of intelligence before. Are
we seeing that here with the Egyptians?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Exactly? They had this cerebral intelligence, the logic, the analysis,
but also the intelligence of the heart, an intuitive understanding.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And it wasn't one or the other, right, they saw
value in both of them.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Absolutely. In fact, they believe that to really grasp the universe,
we need both.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, it's like we're so busy thinking about the world
that we forget to actually feel it. You know.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's a good point, and it might be one of
the big takeaways from the Egyptian miracle. Schwald A Lubich
wants us to go beyond just analyzing to see if
their way of thinking can like unlock something in us too.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's like he's saying, here's their worldview, Now, what are
you going to do with it?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Right now, let's go back to that temple as a
microcosm thing, a reflection of the universe. Remember, it wasn't
just looking at a building. They thought it was a
tool for inner transformation.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, so not just like a model of the universe,
but a way to actually interact with it, experience it
within yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, and this takes us back to symbolism. They knew
symbol's bypass the logical mind goes straight to the subconscious.
Like imagine explaining a dream, right, the feeling's hard to
put into words, but in the dream, those symbols they're powerful.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That's a really good way to put it. But if
we want to learn this ancient language, where do we
even start observation?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Shchwala Jlubitch was big on studying nature, not just for
what things are, but what they represent, the patterns, the forms,
the relationships. Ask yourself what deeper meaning might be there.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So we have to kind of retrain our brains look
for the hidden meaning behind everything.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, it's shifting your perspective, letting go of assumptions, thinking
more intuitively holistically.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, so we've got anthropecosmos, the universe within us, the
symbolic language we can learn, and then the temple this guide.
But it's not enough to just understand this intellectually.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right, you got it. They thought knowledge had to be embodied, experienced,
not just read about, but put into practice.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's like learning an instrument. You can study music theory,
but until you play, it's just theory. You don't really
get it until you feel it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Exactly. To get the Egyptian worldview, you have to engage
with it, observe nature, contemplate symbols, cultivate your intuition.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You mentioned trying to be more mindful in your own life.
It seems like that could connect with this idea of
embodying knowledge.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It definitely could. Now this might sound like a lot,
but you don't need to build a pyramid. It's about
small changes in how you see and interact with the world.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Okay, so how do we do that? How do we
take these big ancient ideas and make them practical today?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Remember the two modes of intelligence the Egyptians they knew
both the rational mind and the intuitive heart were important.
That's useful for us to.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Remember, too, Right, it's not picking one over the other.
But our world it's all logic analysis, getting things done.
How do we even start to wake that intuitive side
back up?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It starts with paying attention those gut feelings, hunches, those
moments of insight that aren't logical, Trusting that inner voice
even if you don't understand it yet.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
It's like listening to that whisper that says this feels
right or something's off, even if our brain hasn't caught up.
I know I ignore that sometimes, especially when I'm stressed.
But the Egyptians they thought that intuition was important, not
something to ignore absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And there are things you can do, meditation, being in nature,
creative stuff. It's about that childlike wonder again, seeing the
world fresh.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You mentioned starting a painting class. Sounds like you're tapping.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Into that It has been interesting, that's for sure. But
going back to the Egyptian Miracle, one of the most
fascinating parts is this idea of my aunt right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's like their word for cosmic order. But it's more
than just how like planets are arranged.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, exactly. Matt's truth, justice, order, and balance. It's the
force that holds it all together, from the tiniest thing
to the entire galaxy. And they thought we had a
responsibility to uphold Mallet, to live by it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So it wasn't just about believing in Matt. It was
about like actively living it out, making choices that kept
things in balance.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, it wasn't worshiping a god out there, but embodying
those prints in your own life. When we stray from Matt,
that's when things go wrong. That's when there's chaos and suffering.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It makes you think about, well, everything going on today, right,
climate change, all the unrest, it's like we've forgotten that
we're all connected, that our actions have consequences.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It really does make you think. But maybe if we
can get back to this malt idea, remember our responsibility
for truth and balance, maybe we can start to fix things.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It's beautiful, but also kind of daunting, this idea that
we each play a part in keeping the entire universe
in order. But did the Egyptians think living by mot
was always easy? I mean, life is messy, right, It
can throw you off.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Course, of course, And that's where we get to another
big thing for them, duality. They didn't see the universe
as simple good versus evil, but this interplay light and
shadow both necessary.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So it wasn't about trying to be perfect only good
all the time exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They thought both light and shadow were needed for creation,
Both were needed for us to grow.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's like that saying the lotus flower grows in the mud. Right,
challenges weren't bad, they were chances to learn exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
It wasn't about avoiding pain, but moving through it with wisdom,
with compassion, using it to grow.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So it's like this dance back and forth, light and dark, joy, sorrow, success, failure,
learning to move through it all, knowing every experience has
something to teach you.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And the Egyptians they believe that by embracing this dance,
facing our shadows, we become whole, we reach.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Our potential, which makes me think, how did they see death?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Then?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Was it the end? Or just another part of this dance.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
This is where we get into their idea of the afterlife.
They didn't see death as the end, but a transition
to this other realm called the duot.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, so not heaven or hell like we think of them,
but something totally different. What did they think happened there?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
The Duat was this mysterious place full of tests. The
deceased faced their shadows, proved if they were worthy to
keep going towards the light. Think of it like a
final exam.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I can see why living a good life was so important.
Then It wasn't about going to paradise. It was being
ready for what came next.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Exactly they believed what happened and they do it depended
on how you lived, how close you were to Mahat,
how wise you were, how virtuous. That's how you got through.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So it wasn't just rituals or beliefs. It was about
a life of integrity, compassion, wisdom, actually living.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It Precisely, those who lived well would be rewarded. Those
who didn't well, they faced more challenges.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It all comes back to that interconnectedness. It wasn't just
about your salvation. It was realizing that what you did
affected everything.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's it exactly. Living by Hamat, you were helping everyone,
the whole universe.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It really makes you think about the legacy we leave behind,
doesn't it, Not just now, but in this bigger cosmic sense.
Did they have any specific practices to get ready for
this journey after death? Anything we can.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Learn from they did. One of the most important was
creating what they called the Book of the Dead.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh, I've always loved that name. It sounds so mysterious.
Was it a book like we think of it?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Exactly? More like a collection of spells, prayers, hymns, instructions
to help guide the dead through the duway.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So like a spiritual travel guide. Did they bury it
with them?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Often? Yeah, Sometimes on the tomb walls or sarcophag guy
or papyrus scrolls inside, like giving them a map to
the underworld.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
What was in this map? Specific things to do?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Say? It depended, but there were common themes, declarations of innocence,
listing good things they'd done in life, like saying to
a judge is who I was, This is how I
lived by my aunt.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Wow. Intense, Like they weren't just hoping for the best,
but actually showing they were worthy. It's that knowledge and
action thing again.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Exactly. Knowledge wasn't enough, You had to live it. The
Book of the Dead wasn't a last minute plea, but
proof of the life you'd lived.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's amazing how their beliefs about life and death they
weren't separate. You didn't just believe in the afterlife. You
had to earn your way there by how you live.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Exactly, it wasn't enough to just believe. You had to
do the work. And the Book of the Dead it
wasn't just about going into the afterlife either. It was
a reminder to live a good life now.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And once they got there, were they done? Did it
say what happened if you made it through the duot?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It did? They believed you reached this state of total bliss,
reuniting with the divine, becoming part of the cosmic consciousness,
what they called osiris, So.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Not just surviving, but going beyond our limits, becoming part
of something so much bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, they imagine a place where there's no more birth
and death. Your soul just exists in this eternal flow,
one with everything.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's an amazing thought, isn't it Not holding onto life
but becoming part of something so much greater.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It makes you think about why we're here, doesn't it
that it's not about possessions or success, but the wisdom
we gain, the compassion we show, the connection we make
to something bigger than ourselves, and those are things death
can't touch.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It's like they're saying, the real treasure is within us,
something we carry with us.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Always perfectly said. But the Egyptian Miracle doesn't just stay
on these big ideas. It gets into specifics too, Like
how they saw the human body.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yes, the spine right, it was way more than just
bones to them. It was like this central energy channel
or something.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's really cool how they connected the physical and the metaphysical.
The spine was this ladder, each vertebra a different level
of consciousness.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
No way, that's so cool. So it's like they had
this internal map this whole system thousands of years before
chakers became popular, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And it wasn't just a metaphor to them. They thought
specific spots on the spine matched up with energy centers.
Work with those centers, you could reach higher states of consciousness.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's like they mapped the human energy field way before
we had the technology to do it. They knew the
body wasn't just a machine, but this mini universe with
that same divine order built.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
In, And that's anthropocosmos again, understand yourself, understand the universe.
They saw the body as sacred, This vessel of divine energy.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Makes you think, how would we treat our bodies if
we saw them like that question?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Do we treat our bodies with respect or do we
abuse them? Take them for granted? How we treat our bodies.
It's how we treat ourselves, each other, even the planet.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's like we keep saying, we're not separate our bodies.
They're part of this whole cosmic.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Picture, and they hold so much wisdom. If we listen
to them, honor their rhythms, we can learn so much.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's what we've been talking about all along, real knowledge.
It's not just in our heads. It's something we feel,
experience in every part of us.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's it. It's about remembering that ancient wisdom treating our
bodies is sacred and beginning this journey of healing, change
and discovery, a.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Journey that's both personal and for all of us. And
as we keep exploring these mysteries, keep unpacking anthropocosmus. It
makes you wonder if the universes like inside us like
a mirror, where does that leave the universe itself? What
do the Egyptians think about like reality on a big scale.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's a question that's always been around, hasn't it. And
the Egyptians they had a pretty amazing way of looking
at it. They didn't see the universes empty but alive.
This entity with intelligence well they called mottat.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
We've talked about mott but it's more than just I
don't know, a rule book or something. It's like this
force that's everywhere. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's not just the rules, but the energy behind them.
Imagine a tapestry, right, mot isn't the threads, it's the
loom that holds them together, make sure the whole thing works.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
So it's not just things being in order, but what
keeps them that way exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And we weren't just along for the ride. They thought
humans were supposed to help uphold matt keep it going.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
We weren't just the audience. We were part of the
show exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So it wasn't enough to just get the idea. You
had to live it, make choices that kept everything in
balance and if we didn't, well, that's when things went wrong.
That's when you'd see chaos, suffering all that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
There's that quote from the book as above, so below
it's like they knew even the little things we do
they matter to the whole picture.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's the heart of their world. To view that connection. Yeah,
our choices affect everything.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's kind of a lot to think about. Like we're
responsible not just for ourselves, but for everything.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It is a lot, yeah, but it's also powerful. We're
not just watching this happen. We can choose to do
what's right, align ourselves with Matt, be a force for good.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, that's a much better way to look at it.
It reminds me of what you said about the Book
of the Dead, how it wasn't just about getting into
the afterlife, but about living a good life now.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Exactly when you strive to live by Mahat, to make
good choices, you're not just earning your way somewhere. You're
helping to make the world a better place right now.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So the real prize isn't at the end of the journey,
it's the journey itself. Getting closer to that cosmic harmony.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I love that and that's really what the Egyptian Miracle
is all about. Schweller d Lubach just wants us to
see this ancient wisdom not as something dead, but is
something we can still use today.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like he's saying, here's this incredible knowledge, Now go out
and do something with it.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, whether it's understanding the symbolism in nature, seeing that
connection between us and the universe, or trying to live
a more balanced life, there's so much we can take
from this and use in our own lives.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's about finding that sense of wonder again, that curiosity,
seeing the world with fresh eyes. It's about realizing that
there's something incredible not just inside us, but in everything
around us, and.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
In a world that feels so divided, so messed up,
sometimes remembering that connection that we're all in this together,
with each other, with the planet, with everything that's more
important than ever.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
It's a message that never gets old, does it. And
as we finish up this deep dive into the Egyptian Miracle,
I hope you all take that with you, that sense
of wonder, that invitation to look deeper, to see the
potential that's inside all of us.
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