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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ready for a deep dive. Let's uncover the Secrets of
the Knights Templar.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A deep dive into the world of Knights, secrets and
maybe even a curse. I'm in.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're looking at SJ. Hodge's Secrets of the Knights Templar.
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, it's a wild ride through history and legend, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Okay, So picture this. It's the Middle Ages. You're a
pilgrim and you're determined to reach the Holy Land, right,
but it's dangerous bandits political turmoil. It's a treacherous journey.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh absolutely, it was incredibly risky. But for many it
was a journey of faith, a path to spiritual enlightenment,
maybe even divine forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I can see why people would be willing to risk
it all.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They had incredible faith.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It was a different time, and that brings us to
the Knights Templar. Hodge calls them and I quote, the
world's most powerful order.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Wow, the world's most powerful order.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That's quite a statement. What made them so unique, so
incredibly influential.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, you see, they started as this really just a
band of warrior monks, and they pledged to protect those
pilgrims making the journey to the Holy Land. They were dedicated,
they were effective, and their reputation well just grew from there.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So how does a group of I mean, they're warrior monks, right, right,
how do they go from guarding pilgrims to becoming this
global powerhouse.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's actually a classic story. So blind demand the church
they officially recognized them, and when that happened, donations started
pouring in, of course, and suddenly they found themselves managing
vast wealth.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But here's where it gets even more interesting. Their organizational skills.
They went way beyond just managing money, believe me.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Like those amazing castles, right, they built those incredible casts exactly,
I mean Practice Chevalier, that one in Syria. That thing
was practically impenetrable.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's an incredible structure.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
They weren't just warriors, they were master architects and engineers too.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh. They were way ahead of their time, that's for sure.
And it wasn't just fortresses either. Think about it. They
established this whole network the states markets, They even ran fairs.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's incredible. And what about those churches. They were allowed
to build their own churches. Really, the book mentioned that
other orders didn't have that privilege. What was so special
about that, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It wasn't just about having a dedicated space to prey.
Don't forget. These were warrior monks. They were constantly on guard. Right,
they're churches, they weren't just churches. They were strategically built,
often with fortifications, you know, to withstand attack, because there
was always the threat of conflict, right, smart. Yeah, so
they had to be ready.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So they're building their organizing. And then there's the banking aspect.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Banking.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How do warrior monks become the go to bankers of
medieval Europe?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, put yourself in their shoes, right, you're a wealthy
pilgrim or even a king. Yeah, and you need to
move let's say a large sum of money across continents.
Who would you trust. That's a good question. The templars,
That's who you'd trust.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They had the reputation for.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It, absolutely, They had that reputation for honesty, for discipline,
and they had that incredible network that spanned well pretty
much all of Europe in the Holy Land. It just
made sense.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's minds. They were like the world's first multinational corporation
with an army. Their impact on finance was huge.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh absolutely, Yeah, we're talking about early forms of what
we now call, you know, the letter of credit, a
system that revolutionized trade back then. Imagine being able to
make these large transactions, Yeah, across continents.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They were way ahead of their time. But let's be honest,
this wouldn't be a proper deep dive into the Templars,
you know, without addressing the elephant in the room, all
the legends and mysteries, right right, the juicy stuff. Is
there any truth to I mean, there are whispers of
secret treasurers, hidden relics, all that. What do you think it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Wouldn't be the Templars without a little intrigue, right, that's right.
The book does a good job tackling some of the
most persistent legends, and it starts with, well, you know,
the big one, the Holy Grail, the Holy Grail?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Did they have it? I mean, everyone wants to find
the Holy Grail. Did the Templars actually have it?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's the million dollar question, right it is. The book
actually makes I think a pretty compelling case that the
whole associating the Grail with the Templars that came later,
much later, really centuries after their downfall.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Wow, it's a historical revisionism. Almost interesting. Okay, but what
about the Shroud of Turn? The book mentioned a templar
connection there too.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Ah yeah, another one of those tantalizing threads. The book
suggests that if they did have it, if they possessed
the shroud, it was more likely that it was entrusted
to them, you know, for safekeeping, not necessarily as their
own property. But the evidence it's thin, Okay, open to interpretation.
But still it's a fascinating possibility, isn't it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
For sure? Okay, let's put on our conspiracy theory hats
for a second. What are some of the wilder theories
about the Templars that you've come across?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh man, where do you even begin? There are some
people out there who believe that they discovered the secrets
of alchemy alchemy. Others think they unearthed some artifacts of
immense power. Right There are even those who believe that
they get this traveled to the New World what long
before Columbus?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No way, See, that's what I'm talking about. It's like
Indiana Jones meets National Treasure, but with real historical figures.
Come on, are any of these even remotely plausible?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Let's just say a healthy dose of skepticism. Yeah, it
never hurts right, right, But the Templars, no doubt about it.
They were a powerful organization, oh yeah, and secretive, so
who knows. We may never know the true extent of
their activities, which just adds to the mystery of it all.
I think it does.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, speaking of secrets, this book doesn't shy away from
their downfall either, their dramatic downfall. What happened, what led
to their demise?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, power attracts envy, doesn't it it does? And the
Templar well, they had amassed a significant amount of both
power and wealth. King Philip the fourth of France he
was in deep I mean deep debt to the order really,
oh yeah, and he saw this opportunity he could solve
his financial problems and you know, eliminated a potential threat
to his authority. Two birds, one stone.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So he just fabricated these charges of heresy and blasphemy
all that. The book really doesn't hold back on the details.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and it's a dark chapter. Really, those accusations flumsy
at best. But Philip, well, he used his influence. Of course,
he had the papacy in his back pocket. Secured, the
arrests and trials of get this, thousands of templars, thousands, thousands,
and many of them well, they were tortured, forced to
confess to crimes they didn't commit. It's awful.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What about their grand master Jacques Demulay didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
He curse the king from his execution? Fire?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right? Legend has it? Yeah, as they say, as the
flames rose around him, de Malay cursed both Filled the
Fifth and Pope Clement the Fifth. Wow called on them
to face the judgment of God within a year.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Hold on, didn't both of them actually die within a
year of his execution? He did?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Whoa coincidence maybe? Or maybe a curse?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Ooh, chill, who knows? It's a question that just keeps
those historians, and conspiracy keeps.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Them up at night a curt Okay, you've officially spooked
me now, But curses aside. What happened to all the Templars?
Like did they all just disappear poof gone?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Not exactly the formal structure, yeah, that was dismantled. But
the book it actually presents evidence that many Templars they
just you know, they continue their lives. Really, Yeah, they
took on new roles where maybe they joined different orders.
Like take King James the second of Aragon for example. Okay,
staunch supporter of the Templars, he couldn't just openly defy
(07:45):
the pope, right, but he also didn't want to dismantle,
you know, such a valuable asset.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So what did he do?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He got creative. He basically rebranded his Templar Knights. Oh yeah,
they became the Order of Montesa and trusted them with
the defense of his kingdom.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
A medieval rebranding campaign. That's amazing. It makes you wonder
how many other organizations throughout history have done something similar,
pulled a switcheroo like that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Right, It really makes you think. And it wasn't just Aragon.
King Dinese of Portugal he did something similar. He established
the Order of Christ. Okay, and with the Pope's blessing,
this time they took on a lot of the Templar's
old roles and responsibilities. It shows you how effective their
structure was.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You know, right, if it ain't broke, don't fix it,
just give it a new name. But the book it
also mentioned some pretty out there theories too, didn't it
about the Templar's fate?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Oh Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What about that one that they escaped to Scotland. Oh yeah, yeah,
and then they help Robert the Bruce at the Battle
of Bannockburn.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
That's a good story, captures the imagination, right, But unfortunately
there's just no evidence for it.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, too bad, Probably just.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know, one of those romantic legends that pops up
later on.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Still a good story, though, This whole idea of a
secret templar treasure hidden somewhere, there's always a secret treasure.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The book explores a few of those potential hiding spots,
doesn't Oh absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's a treasure trove of possibilities, from remote islands to
like tiny villages you've never heard of. It's all in there.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Like where give me some examples.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, how about Bornholme Island. Okay, it's in Denmark. It's
got these mysterious round churches, round round churches. Yeah, people
have to connect them to the templars.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And then there's Rendless Chateau.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Hold on Rendless Chateau. That sounds familiar, isn't that the
place with all the like the Holy Grail and the
Priory of Scion.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Stuff, bingo. It was the setting for the Holy Blood
and the Holy Grail, that book that sparked the thousand
conspiracy theories, even inspired the Da Vinci Code.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh wow, that's right. Okay, so those theories are probably
more fiction than fact.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Then let's just say those specific ones they're based on, well,
let's just say they're not exactly historically accurate. Always going
to be a little skeptical, you know. Always.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It seems like every time we talk about the Knights Templar,
there's this like this air of mystery. Right, you can't
escape it, Like we can't really separate fact from fiction entirely.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Can we? And that's part of the fun, isn't it true?
They're this perfect blend of history and legends. They embody
that paradox of the past, you know, I do. We
can look at the evidence, try to piece things together, right,
but there are always going to be those gaps, unanswered questions,
room for interpretation. And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I love that this has been fantastic, this deep dive
into secrets of the Knights Templar. It's been a wild
ride from warrior monks to shrewd financiers to the stars
of countless legends and conspiracy theories. Their story. It just
it captures the imagination, doesn't it. It really does, and
who knows, maybe, just maybe there are still secrets out there,
(10:53):
just waiting to be uncovered. Something to think about, right,
Thanks for joining us for this deep dive into the
world of the Knight's Time Templer. Until next time,